Forum logs for 10 Jun 2018
| mircea_popescu: | !!up loper_os_cr50 | [00:36] |
| deedbot: | loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. | [00:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | so who might you be loper_os_cr50 | [00:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss. | [01:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | (gtk, for the disinterested, is "let's migrate the browser model to the desktop".) | [01:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up amstan | [02:23] |
| deedbot: | amstan voiced for 30 minutes. | [02:23] |
| amstan: | mircea_popescu: multumesc | [02:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | yw. what brings you here ? | [02:26] |
| amstan: | well, that interesting blog post | [02:27] |
| amstan: | from asciilifeform | [02:27] |
| amstan: | tought i should join this to see if you guys have any discoveries | [02:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mean specifically on sending alphabet packing out of computing ? or more generally ? | [02:28] |
| amstan: | i mean i doubt it, but to be fair i don't know much about how it works, just how it's connected to the system | [02:29] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey it's the good sir 'nobody has the cr50 key' | [08:42] |
| deedbot: | http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/10/chasing-the-elusive-euloran-quality/ << Ossasepia - Chasing the Elusive Euloran Quality | [10:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, dude's some inconsequential politruk, see https://archive.is/MrjAB https://archive.is/AFjoC etc lulz. | [11:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | if he hadn't heard of the third reich instrument of surrender he'd be going around his village singing "tomorrow belongs to me". as it is, he derps on the periphery of google. if he realised tmsr owns the world he'd be "community organizing" for you. and so on. | [11:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!v |\n | [11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up |\n | [11:19] |
| deedbot: | |\n voiced for 30 minutes. | [11:19] |
| |\n: | o/ | [11:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | |\n who are you then, cleverboi | [11:20] |
| |\n: | i'm just a dude | [11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, i wasn't about to take you for one of the fet sluts. what brings you here ? | [11:20] |
| |\n: | i've seen your name on some resources i read from time to time because pals discuss it as well | [11:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | i c. | [11:21] |
| |\n: | and whatver if theres some secret stuff i might leave | [11:21] |
| |\n: | in particular, i've decided to visit this channel because of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mean like that one time we took over a bunch of electricity generators for lulz ? or what secrets. | [11:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | not the time chicks kept coming in to show us their tits, that's no secret, is that ? | [11:22] |
| |\n: | now i'd like to stay lol | [11:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | (refs http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ and http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ for the noobs) | [11:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up ivan | [11:27] |
| deedbot: | ivan voiced for 30 minutes. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you want to share anything with the group, ivan ? | [11:27] |
| phf: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-08-jun-2018#2446300 << will do, i've had all the parts shipped at this point, but i won't be back until monday.. | [12:05] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-08 17:30 asciilifeform: phf: if you are able to build the usb snake -- lemme know which cr50 turd ver is in your box | [12:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol phf you should start a hiking club with mocky >D | [12:08] |
| Mocky: | I'll be hiking in northern virginia in two weeks, not sure how close to the swamp... | [12:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | o there he is. howdy | [12:18] |
| Mocky: | howdy | [12:18] |
| Mocky: | !Q later tell lobbes I just got back from uwharrie national forest, ~50km east of Charlotte. ftr, 'deep river' is misnomer, more like 'shallow creek' | [12:31] |
| lobbesbot: | Mocky: The operation succeeded. | [12:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, would it be a good time to try out your foxybot nao ? | [12:33] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822011 << he's the hint-dropping d00d from #rockchip | [12:38] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 15:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, dude's some inconsequential politruk, see https://archive.is/MrjAB https://archive.is/AFjoC etc lulz. | [12:38] |
| asciilifeform: | and apparently also this | [12:38] |
| * mircea_popescu | wasn't there. | [12:38] |
| asciilifeform: | https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-07#22286942 | [12:39] |
| asciilifeform: | and the 'trust yer hardware that you have' fella | [12:41] |
| asciilifeform: | and the 'we'll post some schems real soon nao, just wait' fella, etc | [12:41] |
| asciilifeform: | i had nfi that he was from ro, this is extra lulzy somehow | [12:42] |
| asciilifeform: | ( they have a googlarium in ro?! ) | [12:42] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1821998 << observe that, in asciilifeform's 2015--present gentoo recipe, gtk3+ is banned | [12:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 05:00 mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss. | [12:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ( it pulls in dbus ) | [12:45] |
| Mocky: | mircea_popescu, i've found an issue with stacking so suggest to wait until next version. today or tomorrow. | [12:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | alrighty. | [12:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, alphabet essentially survives, in the perceptible rather than the byzantine imaginarium sense, out of their orclands outposts. exactly as described in http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824 | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, re gtk+ 3, observe that the dumbass orcs in the comment section are all about "i don't see why you wouldn't '''upgrade''' your desktop to browserhood" | [12:47] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822006 << amstan you can post those asus schems any time you feel like being useful i will publish them. if you want to do it anon, pgp mircea_popescu or asciilifeform | [12:48] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 06:28 amstan: tought i should join this to see if you guys have any discoveries | [12:48] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i did see a microshit cubefarm in bucharest. so this makes sense. | [12:49] |
| asciilifeform: | even in usa hq, they make use of ample coolie labour | [12:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | are you kidding me, intel has a tiny thing here even. | [12:50] |
| asciilifeform: | in bananistan?! | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought i linked some "genius orc" kids at some point. | [12:50] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hm | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty lulzy because over here it's so low budget, you can directly see the underwiring. | [12:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight. | [12:51] |
| asciilifeform: | re gtkism -- asciilifeform can'twait to see how the derps react to the revelation that asciilifeform's gentoos hardban gtk3/dbus/pulseaudio/whole shebang | [12:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ( naturally including the one for c101pa box ) | [12:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | there is such a thing as overwhelmed. | [12:55] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulles, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274771 << 'flagged' | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | elsewhere in heathendom, https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8pyaec/the_google_h1_fritz_chip/ << usg brigade out in force, 'this is just a tpm, cannot reflash fw' etc 'say it 3 times, it'll be true'isms | [13:35] |
| asciilifeform: | the hilarious bit is that the published src has 100% of the lulz out in plain daylight. incl, e.g., the bootrom-writeprotect override function in cr50, the magic pubkeys, the bit that turns wireless on during idle, etc | [13:38] |
| asciilifeform: | the 'of course you can't have SEKOORITY without goldenkeys!', 'prove! nsa involved!', etc derps, all awoken from under their rocks, working. | [13:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | Noiseholes! | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect that the whole incident will be unhappened soon enuff, added to same googleban db as trilema , phuctor, etc | [13:50] |
| asciilifeform: | ( their phuctor filter is esp lulzy, gives not null but specifically ancient stale pages, boeck's 'rebuttal', reddit. etc ) | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | lovingly hand-crafted. | [13:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, none of the fucktards can, or ever have, or have any intention of reading source. | [14:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | gotta be explained "what this means to them", which is what the nigger brigade is for, from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=anil+dash to http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ to what have you. | [14:04] |
| Mocky: | it's eye opening for me to see how it looks from this side where asciilifeform exposes obvious stench which is met with chorus of 'nah, it smells good'. apparently 'till now I've been the local, ala: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822065 | [14:04] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 16:51 mircea_popescu: well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight. | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | Mocky, regular occurence on this side of the zone. | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | but, amusingly enough, the conversation with the chick who thought herself a domme controls here! imagine that, you know, sex determining matters scientific, how unfair and improper and in breach of implicit promises made by the "civilisation" of tedious old women. | [14:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | !!up apt-get | [14:06] |
| deedbot: | apt-get voiced for 30 minutes. | [14:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | yet http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/ vs http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ strictly and exactly describes the problem. the captive aren't captive because they were captured, they're captive because that's what they fucking are. | [14:06] |
| apt-get: | thanks, but no need, I'm just here to lurk | [14:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient. | [14:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | apt-get: lurking for the Fritzchip or the training camp? | [14:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo, imagine the ambiguity we dwell in! it's not even fucking clear. | [14:08] |
| apt-get: | fritz, although I'm not really much of an expert when it comes to hardware stuff in any way | [14:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | apt-get, so why would you care, if i may ask ? | [14:09] |
| apt-get: | hmm, I find this stuff interesting, I guess? | [14:10] |
| apt-get: | stumbled upon the loper blog by luck and I found it to be a cool project | [14:10] |
| apt-get: | (cr50 reversal, that is) | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | so is it rather a political investment, something in the vein of http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ , "i wish to touch the bars of my cage with mine own hands" ? | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822076 << no, you know, it's an algorithm :D protects the worshipful from toxicfacts and things, making google very fucking useful for no purpose whatsoever in the process. | [14:15] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 17:55 asciilifeform: lovingly hand-crafted. | [14:15] |
| apt-get: | Well, I don't know if my political leanings would necessarily imply going to such lengths as described in that manifesto, but I am indeed supportive of any attempt to free computing from the proprietary and government boulders placing themselves between the user and the product. | [14:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible. | [14:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | if the priors are anything like a) "anyone should have access to computers" and b) "to use as they see fit", you'll be back to some kind of nsa fritz chip in very short order, especially if you're committed to equalitarian socialism (or, "democracy", to use the in-universe names) | [14:27] |
| apt-get: | I suppose such conditions could be theoretically enforced in a democratic system... but it would imply making the general populace to both be aware and feel threatened by these issues, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, practically speaking. | [14:36] |
| BingoBoingo: | !!up apt-get | [14:44] |
| deedbot: | apt-get voiced for 30 minutes. | [14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | seems perfectly aware and very very fucking threatened to me, lol. | [14:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | can't apply livresque standards of awareness to the herd, they're not human in that sense. you believe cattle is aware of electified fence, even if no cow ever sat down with you and stated as much over beers and buffalo wings. | [14:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | same thing here, by purely behavioural standards they're as aware as could be. | [14:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise they wouldn't go about pretending like they believe google is in any way different from groupon, a purely imaginary, 100% paper construction. | [14:46] |
| apt-get: | convenience of usability will always trump freedom when it comes to these things, which is why you don't see minifree or purism making bank on their libre hardware. | [14:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | except the part where the convenience of doing stupid thing is just as inconvenient as anything. | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | ... or maybe because it's shit | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's just about 0 convenience delivered by the tools of "convenience" and "usability". | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | 'purism', 'minifree', organs of the beast. | [14:54] |
| apt-get: | convenience isn't limited to the device itself, it also encompasses a large ecosystem of both social and technical incentives to enter a firm's walled garden. | [14:56] |
| apt-get: | and I don't believe it's possible to fight multi-billion entities when it comes to this. | [14:57] |
| apt-get: | :/ | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | from experience, the only incentive is purelty internal : slave belongs inside, goes inside. | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | apt-get, tmsr is a multi-billion entity. | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | so yes, it is not possible to fight tmsr when it comes to this. all shall crumble before it. | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | techcrunch.com/2017/08/11/the-minifree-libreboot-t400-is-free-as-in-freedom/ << lol the ersatzen. | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | am i supposed to not notice the overpowering flavour of mendacity, "hey, we already did what phuctor does!!!!" story all over again ? | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | techcrunch.com/2016/12/08/the-libreboot-c201-from-minifree-is-really-really-really-ridiculously-open-source/ :D | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno why anyone looks to hollywood for fiction production. the usg directorate of propaganda manages some pretty hysterical comedies. | [15:05] |
| asciilifeform: | i can already picture, 'why complain, cr50 100% opensores!' | [15:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | Се́веро-Кавка́зский край really really really ridiculously well supplied with all kind and manner of foodstuffs! | [15:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | even belt buckles. | [15:34] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2018/harold-and-maude/ << Trilema - Harold and Maude | [17:26] |
| deedbot: | http://blog.esthlos.com/towards-a-computer-science-education/ << esthlos - Towards a Computer Science Education | [18:00] |
| esthlos: | ^^ I'm curious what folx think of the above. Reading through the logs, FFA, etc., I've realized how little I know. So I'm thinking that I'll have to devote the majority of my effort to learning the ropes wrt computing before I can pull my weight in here. Does this make sense? | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | ima read it. | [18:04] |
| esthlos: | thanks | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | languages) which << spurious ) | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | esthlos, actually, do you want comments there ? or here ? | [18:06] |
| esthlos: | there, please | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | done. | [18:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | your comment thing ate my spaces. | [18:13] |
| esthlos: | hmm, will have to look into that | [18:14] |
| esthlos: | looks like nuking the auto-paragraph feature for posts also nuked it for comments | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | well if you'd find it in your heart ot fix it i'd be grateful. | [18:20] |
| esthlos: | will do. | [18:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, nice favicon. | [18:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | slut looking over my shoulder was all like "oooo, shiny! i want one like that!" | [18:21] |
| esthlos: | thanks, geometry of color is verrry interresting (shitpedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_space) | [18:21] |
| esthlos: | bah that article is terrible. see http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/colortheory/web/hsv.html | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol. that's ok, i heard of color before. | [18:25] |
| esthlos: | haha | [18:25] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up loper_os_cr50 | [18:59] |
| deedbot: | loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes. | [18:59] |
| esthlos: | mircea_popescu: replied | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | word. | [19:05] |
| * asciilifeform | lols over the various crapola mail, 'purism!', 'cured intel really!', etc | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | w/e. | [19:10] |
| asciilifeform: | and if i had a bitcent for every 'use this lappy we carved from old refrigerator panels and raspberry pi..' etc | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | the amusing part is just how repetitive it all is lol. | [19:23] |
| asciilifeform: | homo redditicus is lethally boring, yes. | [19:23] |
| asciilifeform: | esthlos: i recommend fewer pediwikia links. ( granted i suffered from same habit in early loper-os articles. but cured nao. ) | [19:32] |
| asciilifeform: | esthlos: if you must -- link to archived copies, which at least won't change from under you. | [19:32] |
| asciilifeform: | esthlos: in re the b00kz -- i have okasaki, and must note, he is a mathematically interesting read, but 100% useless in actual practice, unless you use 'lazy-evaluated' prog langs | [19:34] |
| esthlos: | asciilifeform: makes sense wrt the wiki. | [19:34] |
| esthlos: | i haven't opened that one yet, good to know. have you ever checked out john alan's book? It's kinda a denser sicp, and predates it | [19:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | all these items from back when people read books. | [19:38] |
| asciilifeform: | esthlos: i have. it is for dedicated aficionados strictly ( uses deeply archaic notation, and generally concerned with deeply 'pre-modern' lisps ) | [19:38] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: for archaeologists strictly. | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | brains have sensibly flattened since hte golden age of the hardbound | [19:39] |
| esthlos: | are there good books on the matter which *aren't* archaeological? | [19:39] |
| asciilifeform: | esthlos: there ain't, and likely won't be | [19:39] |
| esthlos: | fun fun | [19:39] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822031 << phf keep in mind that the resistors gotta be, iirc, accurate within 5%. hence why i used trimpots. | [19:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 16:05 phf: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-08-jun-2018#2446300 << will do, i've had all the parts shipped at this point, but i won't be back until monday.. | [19:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ( until i got'em trimmed in, 'suzy' worked 'every other time' ) | [19:46] |
| asciilifeform: | while we're on the subj, i find it interesting how both google and intel ( and by extension, all new mb makers ) finessed the problem of 'terrorists will epoxy usb ports closed' -- nao usg can get 'airport quickie' root through a hole that you cannot cement, because the box charges ~only~ from it | [19:47] |
| asciilifeform: | ( this is the case in, e.g., all new crapple boxen ) | [19:48] |
| esthlos: | is it possible to trash the non-power pins? | [19:49] |
| asciilifeform: | esthlos: theoretically, under microscope | [19:49] |
| asciilifeform: | you can't cut ~all~ of them, however, the 'negotiation' (CC1/CC2) pins are used by the mains bricks | [19:50] |
| asciilifeform: | 'smart' power bricks, see. | [19:51] |
| asciilifeform: | the 'go and cut pins' thing will ~work for certain purposes, but in the very near term it will become entirely unproductive -- they are moving the whole orchestra into single chip. ( e.g. crapple is ~already there. ) | [19:52] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822099 << not sure i grasp this. even wintel merrily sold un-fritzed boxen for many years, until 2nd bush-II term or so. | [19:59] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 18:26 mircea_popescu: the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible. | [19:59] |
| asciilifeform: | prolly at some point i gotta write a 'NOBUS likbez' re the fundamental motivations ( they are not difficult to discern , but apparently entirely opaque to the herd , even when you exclude the willingly blind ) | [20:00] |
| asciilifeform: | it is probably impossible to educate the willingly thick, however, who ~actually~ see a box with NOBUS master keys as 'moar secure than with no keys'. these, will only wake up when they're sitting in kangaroo court , and confessing to 'child porn' | [20:02] |
| asciilifeform: | 'bbbut i left box in hotel just for 10 min, and surely google would never..' | [20:02] |
| asciilifeform: | and prolly they will sit in front of same judge who earlier nodded to 'tor devs would never', etc. | [20:04] |
| asciilifeform: | another interesting tidbit : cr50 vendor fw will conveniently checksum the ec and ap(bootloader) fw. BUT not without goldenkey. wouldn't want terrorists testing for fw modification, see. | [20:05] |
| asciilifeform: | plebe wants to checksum the ec fw ? gotta solder a dozen probes under microscope. | [20:05] |
| asciilifeform: | and this will work until they move the whole fw orchestra into cr50. which is on the planned 'feature' list already for next rev. | [20:06] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in choice redditisms : 'I used to work as a security researcher - if I thought this subject was interesting I'd have to look for another source talking about the same thing because there's no way in hell it'd be acceptable to reference this level of unprofessionalism in a conference or to my superiors.' | [20:09] |
| asciilifeform: | didjaknow. | [20:09] |
| asciilifeform: | invitation to read the src -- already 'downvoted' into oblivion, unsurprisingly. | [20:10] |
| esthlos: | "This is the technology equivalent of an edgy 14-year-old atheist writing about religion." loller | [20:12] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822087 << see also. i'd be surprised if there isn't already a boeck-style 'rebuttal' (perhaps from herr boeck himself) in the works. | [20:16] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 18:07 mircea_popescu: and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient. | [20:16] |
| asciilifeform: | as soon as it gets shat out, the links to the earlier heathenpit threads, will reroute to it -- just like in earlier phuctor case | [20:16] |
| asciilifeform: | google already now returns some dna-related academitardism for 'h1', etc. | [20:17] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822079 << this is imho the lulziest case yet on record : google is pissing in their mouths, entirely overtly, and the universal response is 'mm, tasty, lemonade' | [20:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-10 18:04 Mocky: it's eye opening for me to see how it looks from this side where asciilifeform exposes obvious stench which is met with chorus of 'nah, it smells good'. apparently 'till now I've been the local, ala: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822065 | [20:18] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and betcha when mircea_popescu wakes up, he will add 'just like my gurls' ! ) | [20:20] |
| * mircea_popescu | just grins | [20:21] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [20:21] |
| asciilifeform: | while this thread is alive -- there remains the (currently, hypothetical) puzzler of what-do when we find the jailbreak. i expect, buy N boxes, and cure'em ? | [20:23] |
| asciilifeform: | (given as enemy will immediately patch when they get hold of the boojum, as crapple does) | [20:24] |
| asciilifeform: | i suppose we will revisit this when we find the magic overflow etc. | [20:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, without the fritz chips, the situation is 1trn "users" whose router pwd is admin, and then m00t's horde owning time magazine's "man of the year" competition. | [20:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is the fucking problem they're trying to resolve, that without restraints, the horde re-organizes into unflat. | [20:26] |
| asciilifeform: | it's still 'admin', lol, just more along the vein of 'adminMAGICNSANOBUSSTRING' | [20:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | yup. | [20:26] |
| asciilifeform: | so it is only 'solution' in the sense of satisfying the 'childporn judge'. | [20:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is what they do. | [20:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | the empire of exam taking. | [20:27] |
| asciilifeform: | just like the credit card 'security' exists so banks can drop the bill for fraudulent mercedes onto the hapless card luser. | [20:27] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-17#1301302 << see also thread. | [20:28] |
| a111: | Logged on 2015-10-17 17:42 asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make then, as now, is that mri - like fingerprints - is a confession-inducer and evidence-planter apparatus, let's say 'guiltwashing', rather than necessarily a fact-finder. | [20:28] |
| asciilifeform: | ( orig thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-19#883658 ) | [20:28] |
| a111: | Logged on 2014-10-19 18:31 asciilifeform: chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump. | [20:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822183 << hooker/maid that usg criminal org specifically paid to lie in court would never lie in court, best arrest foreign diplomat!!! | [20:29] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-11 00:04 asciilifeform: and prolly they will sit in front of same judge who earlier nodded to 'tor devs would never', etc. | [20:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | the list is indeed long. | [20:29] |
| asciilifeform: | the pretense with arrested diplomat et al stretches thin even to idjit public thus they'll take all of the techno-help they can get, is the idea. | [20:29] |
| asciilifeform: | 'the confession was on his chromebook, and no one (But US, but US Would Never!11) but his own hand, could have written' etc | [20:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't think it stretches anything. "my superiors". reich is reich is reich, it really has no need or use for thought. | [20:30] |
| asciilifeform: | they've created this apparatus of 'pencildicks', and it will further the oddball rituals, or how else to justify existing. | [20:31] |
| asciilifeform: | 'digital evidence'! | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | honestly, i'm happy with the outcomes. swathes of 20something yo slavegirls as far as the eye can see, to take pick from. | [20:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're all someones daughter. | [20:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!key nikki_ff | [20:32] |
| deedbot: | Not registered. | [20:32] |
| asciilifeform: | picking from decerebrated muppets, satisfying ? | [20:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, it's a crapshoot. if you have 1bn decerebrated muppets reproducing, you get some simona haleps. if you have 1k, you don't. | [20:33] |
| asciilifeform: | i suppose. | [20:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | numbers game of the meat best run by the numbers. | [20:33] |
| asciilifeform: | observe, the ~saner~ end of the heathenpit comments are along the lines of 'yes there's no escape, i sit and drink' | [20:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, to put the matter of piss and gurls to (temporary) rest : Jun 09 01:57:42 <nikki_ff> yes sir i am drunk <mircea_popescu> how do you like your piss ? <nikki_ff> best its ever tasted. | [20:37] |
| asciilifeform: | ( speaking of which, hey Framedragger_ , how's it treating ya ? ) | [20:37] |
| asciilifeform: | theeere we go. | [20:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | henceforth a new "piss on the bitch" cocktail is defined, for public consumption, as piss, vodka and a splash of fruit juice. | [20:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | apparently it's pretty good. | [20:37] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s morarji cola | [20:38] |
| a111: | 4 results for "morarji cola", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=morarji%20cola | [20:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol it's all you googling it and google failing | [20:41] |
| asciilifeform: | orig unclealism | [20:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | "We disdain otter piss alcoholic Coors or Budweiser swills wrested from sprouted rice" << utter! | [20:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | i found an almisspeal! | [20:42] |
| asciilifeform: | morarji, 4th primeminister of india, famously drank glass of (supposedly, own, but whoknows) piss erry day | [20:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, nothing beats a self-administered pregnancy test. | [20:43] |
| asciilifeform: | https://archive.li/x3A3f << subj: >> '...his practice of drinking a glass of his own urine every day, and as veteran journalist M.V.Kamath, reporting for ToI, noted rather despairingly, the problem wasn’t just that Desai did this, but he was very eager to talk at length about it: “in a 15-minute appearance on a very popular Sunday TV show called ’60 Minutes’, Mr.Desai was seen taking practically half the time to commend urine | [20:45] |
| asciilifeform: | therapy.”' | [20:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait, it's a ~therapy~ ?! | [20:45] |
| asciilifeform: | aaaha | [20:45] |
| asciilifeform: | india. | [20:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought it wass jusst perverssity | [20:45] |
| hanbot: | apropos of exactly nothing, where do skunks go to pray? | [20:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot, where ? | [20:46] |
| asciilifeform: | y'know, the place where they have the magical shit river you drink 'to health' from. | [20:46] |
| hanbot: | mircea_popescu: to the pew! | [20:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahaha | [20:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mean the phew ? | [20:46] |
| asciilifeform: | 'the secret, strange hole in his dubious pew!'(tm)(r)(trilema) ! | [20:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | like phtephen ? | [20:46] |
| hanbot: | lol | [20:46] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in moar recent preet india, https://archive.li/A1kOB | [20:49] |
| asciilifeform: | they're getting less and less pronouncable. tejpal s. chawla -- srsly. | [20:51] |
| asciilifeform: | i can only guess, that the pronounceable, brahmin folk, have run out | [20:52] |
| asciilifeform: | time now for the ex-latrinecleaners | [20:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, afaik that ali watkins chick is a libertard stalwart. the whole thing is "how dares state challenge the politruks" | [20:52] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: ah i thought this was still about the reality winner lulz | [20:52] |
| asciilifeform: | same flavour, neh. | [20:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's about something or other, but broadly about the fact that the pantsuit party is very angry any sort of pushback against mother china WHATSOEVER still goes on. | [20:53] |
| asciilifeform: | 'red'.usg demonstratively pillorying 'blue'.usg 'activists' etc. | [20:53] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik chinese sit and 'wait for the corpse to float by' just like 1000yrs ago. | [20:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can't imagine the chinese actually give a shit about the withc hunts in that obscure european colony. | [20:54] |
| asciilifeform: | virtue of patience, corpse reliably floats by. | [20:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | not anymore than anyone over at alphabet gives a shit about the misadventures of amstan or anyone at redhat about the new hole in boeck's ass, or etc. | [20:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... in the patient's defense, the anglotards are really not all that interesting. | [20:55] |
| asciilifeform: | about same amt of shit as mircea_popescu gives about the fate of newly-ejected condom, aha | [20:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | and this, from a race that is enthralled by fruit machines. | [20:55] |
| asciilifeform: | wat's a fruit machine | [20:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know, those things old ladies put coins intoi | [20:56] |
| asciilifeform: | aa 1armedbandit | [20:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | right | [20:56] |
| asciilifeform: | i thought this was in jp | [20:57] |
| asciilifeform: | where folx obsess , play'em | [20:57] |
| asciilifeform: | or was that some local variant. | [20:57] |
| asciilifeform: | (phunphakt -- 'sega' was originally usa/occupation-era co. that made 1armedbandits ) | [20:57] |
| asciilifeform: | 'nintendo'--meiji-era titan of playingcard manufacture. | [20:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | afaik it's all small yellow folk. | [20:58] |
| asciilifeform: | poor folx luuuuvvvv to pennyante gamble. | [20:58] |
| asciilifeform: | i don't precisely know why. | [20:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, colorful ? | [20:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the point of concern for mcguffin-book writers / social media personalities / journalists / whatever else the pantsuit keep telling themselves they do, would be that the chinese can't seem to be bothered to give the slightest fuck. these are some people who find even one arm bandits fascinating. | [20:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | i confess it'd worry me, in their place. | [21:00] |
| asciilifeform: | it is not given to fish, to wonder or worry about the life of the fisherman. | [21:00] |
| asciilifeform: | focus of fish, is the worm. | [21:01] |
| asciilifeform: | delish and entirely 'phreee' | [21:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know i just re-read your article, because i was curious. wtf was "unprofessional" about it ?! i mean, yes, there's deliberately constructed anti-"professional" items, like say recently the http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-things-that-didnt-happen-today-heres-192-cracked-github-keys-some-hotties-in-tech-included-yes/ phuctor discussion. | [21:03] |
| asciilifeform: | i think 'professional' is tardcode for 'responsible disclosure' and general usg-fellatio | [21:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | but your piece don't even remotely resemble. | [21:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, like, you weren't "modest" enough ? | [21:04] |
| asciilifeform: | somethinglikethat | [21:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | so basically he can't show "his superiors" that he reads doubleplusungood folk who don't insert a "traiasca tovarasul" sentence twice per paragraph, is the idea ? | [21:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | maybe he gets fired if they think he doesn't like them anymore or something ? | [21:05] |
| asciilifeform: | also witness the redditards, 'harping on tpm, that's SOOO rms from 1997' etc | [21:05] |
| asciilifeform: | i'm surprised that nobody brought up the eating of toe fungus | [21:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't get it, so if there's been a famine going for 20 years meatballs are "soo 1997" ? | [21:06] |
| asciilifeform: | more or less. | [21:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!key nikki_ff | [21:06] |
| deedbot: | http://wot.deedbot.org/5D2D2AB4789EC28501080C2F790E3C0093EF2474.asc | [21:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | holy shit, the dumbass managed. | [21:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!rate nikki_ff 1 aspiring slavegirl also famous for the "piss on the bitch" cocktail. | [21:07] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yl92O/?raw=true | [21:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!v 8DE2EDFE706112BD08BC21F05A0FFA66614A66F04E25101DD36F84384CCABA00 | [21:08] |
| deedbot: | mircea_popescu rated nikki_ff 1 << aspiring slavegirl also famous for the "piss on the bitch" cocktail. | [21:08] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: revisiting upstack -- i suspect that the decerebrated folx, are not aware of any such famine. google made the perfect fuffle for'em, the dildonic 'open comp' that offers 'fetish of power', go ahead and install linux etc. | [21:11] |
| asciilifeform: | sleeker, moar satisfying anal filler than ye olde wintel's hamfisted offering | [21:12] |
| asciilifeform: | 'it's open, have you looked at coreboot' -- commenter | [21:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | steady diet of lulzsammich, this web. | [21:14] |
| asciilifeform: | for the moar advanced fetishists, even lets you solder contacts and rewrite boot rom etc., 'Чем бы дитя не тешилось, лишь бы не вешалось'(tm)(r) | [21:14] |
| asciilifeform: | 'it's just a tpm, what's yer problem'. | [21:15] |
| asciilifeform: | re 'professionals', i can also picture 'you wrote it like a vuln reveal, but this is not a vuln, this is our masters getting jus primae noctis with our raw starfishes like god intended' irritation | [21:19] |
| asciilifeform: | 'how dare you describe god's chosen as vulgar syphilitic rapists'. | [21:20] |
| asciilifeform: | this is the leitmotif audible to asciilifeform , at any rate. | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | but you don't... do that. | [21:21] |
| asciilifeform: | i've met these folx in the flesh, show'em e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/nobus.jpg and response is lordosis | [21:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. in the end, i suppose it's pretty amusing to notice that a) indifferent of form b) the reaction will be to substance c) and negative because the substance's not usg-friendly but nevertheless d) claim to be a reaction to form. | [21:23] |
| asciilifeform: | possibly because there is no possible counter-argument to the substance. | [21:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | "usg sucks" "i don't like how you used the word suck" | "usg is dumb" "i don't approve of the usage of verbs" | "the goat is dead" "i don't like the syllable count and this has nothing to do with my suspicion the goat may be a veiled reference to usg". | [21:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, and nobody's supposed to notice ? | [21:24] |
| asciilifeform: | starfish is getting broad daylight waltzing, no way to boeck around the fact. | [21:24] |
| asciilifeform: | https://archive.li/A4vO1 << various lulz in re that famous octopus. | [21:35] |
| asciilifeform: | !Q later tell trinque might be worth testing whether koch's latest lul affects deedbot's gpg hose | [21:40] |
| lobbesbot: | asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. | [21:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | deedbot signs ? | [21:43] |
| asciilifeform: | verify | [21:43] |
| asciilifeform: | ( see top qntra ) | [21:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought it was specifically signing. | [21:44] |
| * mircea_popescu | looks | [21:44] |
| asciilifeform: | let's put in the l0gz : | [21:44] |
| asciilifeform: | 'The OpenPGP protocol allows to include the file name of the original input file into a signed or encrypted message. During decryption and verification the GPG tool can display a notice with that file name. The displayed file name is not sanitized and as such may include line feeds or other control characters. This can be used inject terminal control sequences into the out and, worse, to fake the so-called status messages. These | [21:44] |
| asciilifeform: | status messages are parsed by programs to get information from gpg about the validity of a signature and an other parameters. Status messages are created with the option "--status-fd N" where N is a file descriptor. Now if N is 2 the status messages and the regular diagnostic messages share the stderr output channel. By using a made up file name in the message it is possible to fake status messages.' | [21:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't get it, it's supposed to matter when you run it from command prompt neh ? | [21:44] |
| asciilifeform: | ( from the horse's mouth ) | [21:44] |
| asciilifeform: | loox like you can stuff arbitrary crapola into the filename field, and it gets term-interpreted to stderr ( where result is shat ) | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah so the idea is that if shell callout, you might end up with wrong response ? | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought he used his own impl. | [21:45] |
| asciilifeform: | correct | [21:45] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc errybody's gpg-using items, callout. | [21:45] |
| asciilifeform: | e.g. vtrons. | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | tho in retrospect i'm not entirely sure why i thought that. | [21:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, well no, eucrypt crypts. | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform: | right but eucrypt is not a gpg-riding proggy. | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform: | ( $nooseitem is not a gcrypt 0day, but gpg particular ) | [21:46] |
| lobbes: | http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-10#373478 << lol, I believe it. On the bright side, at least it didn't contain any brain-eating amoebas >> http://archive.is/SJSUG | [22:42] |
| mimisbrunnr: | Logged on 2018-06-10 16:16 Mocky: !Q later tell lobbes I just got back from uwharrie national forest, ~50km east of Charlotte. ftr, 'deep river' is misnomer, more like 'shallow creek' | [22:42] |
| deedbot: | http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ << The Whet - MP-WP: Genesis Regrind | [22:45] |
| hanbot: | ^ phf please to update, apologies for the hassle. | [22:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman, you selling wm ? any q really. | [23:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | oops. | [23:36] |
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