Forum logs for 09 Aug 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: word. [00:28]
BingoBoingo: Any ways a proper spreadsheet is not software. It is stationary. [00:39]
mircea_popescu: stationery. [00:50]
BingoBoingo: Why not both? [00:51]
BingoBoingo: Not like it gets up and walks away with the seekrits [00:51]
mircea_popescu: lol aite. both [00:53]
trinque: https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/08/oracle-data-breach/ << usg.oracle haxed [01:06]
mircea_popescu: this is good for fiat. [01:06]
trinque: lol [01:07]
BingoBoingo: In related surprises: [01:14]
BingoBoingo: 7 ate 9 [01:14]
trinque: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-06-aug-2016#2142767 << not sure. I'm thinking maybe we stop fighting cruft and fire you up one of these: http://deedbot.org/v/ircbot-genesis.vpatch http://deedbot.org/v/logbot-genesis.vpatch [03:39]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 19:02 asciilifeform: later tell trinque any idea why deedbot sometimes spits out a phuctoring twice ? [03:39]
trinque: I'm gonna test this guy more tomorrow and add message splitting to the first one, then probably sign. [03:40]
trinque: you could just shit messages as you like from phuctor and not have to worry about RSS. [03:41]
trinque: anyone else wants to play with a lispybot / offer critique / point and laugh, feel free [03:43]
ben_vulpes: it is a very tidy sourceball, trinque. [04:10]
ben_vulpes: on the topic of pointing and laughing, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497751 << phf would you be so kind as to share what you did to your wp-content/themes/comments.php to get past the "stale comments" thinger? [04:10]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 01:31 asciilifeform: phf apparently knows enough to replicate working setup without the missing pieces and without using the pig-ugly default theme. [04:10]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-09#1517299 << if i had a working lispified phuctor, yes. [08:14]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-09 07:41 trinque: you could just shit messages as you like from phuctor and not have to worry about RSS. [08:14]
asciilifeform: but not presently. [08:14]
phf: ben_vulpes: i think everything's here http://107.170.141.103/2016/wp-content-for-a/ [10:10]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone recall diablo 1 multiplayer mode ? which nobody ever played, because you could edit your client to send to the other "your player was hit by 1`000`000 dmg" and the idiot'd take it at face value and kill the other person ? [10:13]
mircea_popescu: $up vcvbnmcvm [10:15]
deedbot: vcvbnmcvm voiced for 30 minutes. [10:15]
phf: ben_vulpes: i have a patchset, that takes wp from stock 2.7 to mircea_popescu's version, and then adds a few cleanups that i did. once i get through all the other shit i'm working on, i'll release it. the stock->mp patch is useful if you want to do further work on the codebase and have some idea where mp's custom patches begin and end [10:21]
mircea_popescu: check it out, we managed to replicate in vitro ALL OF FOSS [10:25]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh we dun even have a gnudiff that build without gnudiff. [10:34]
asciilifeform: or a gnat that builds without gnat (which has been annoying asciilifeform greatly in recent times) [10:34]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being : "a) here is a package of open source software that b) worked great c) for a lengthy, unclear and unverifyable past interval d) maintained by an intelligent but dour and otherwise busy party that e) is well respected but no longer much involved f) yet you could ask q of them if only you could find out how to ask an intelligent one g) which is pointless anyway because you can't make much sense of the [10:37]
mircea_popescu: answer h) yet there's a new team maintaining the item i) except it's unclear exactly who exactly how and to what exact purpose or standard" [10:37]
mircea_popescu: points a through i === foss. [10:37]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the open sores thing is a clusterfuck of a depth that i cannot even convey in words. e.g., in the past few days i have uncovered catastrophic bugs in gcc, which NO ONE will ever fix, or likely even replicate, because they ONLY show up when you try to build version X with version Y, for particular pairings of X,Y, and similar [12:12]
asciilifeform: the thing is rotten to the core [12:12]
mircea_popescu: it "works"! [12:12]
asciilifeform: and likewise everything which stands, supposedly stably, on top of it. [12:12]
asciilifeform: nor is the thing in any sense approaching readable [12:18]
asciilifeform: or maintainable [12:18]
asciilifeform: in fact, it is ~impossible to build it on 2 boxes, supposing that they are not mirror images of one another's disks, and end up with same gcc. [12:18]
asciilifeform: at least it is theoretically possible to build gcc on another compiler (i personally have not attempted this, and the last confirmed report i know of is some years ago, however) [12:19]
asciilifeform: but, e.g., gnat, will ONLY BUILD USING ANOTHER GNAT [12:19]
asciilifeform: for fucks sake. [12:19]
asciilifeform: how the FIRST gnat was built, NO ONE KNOWS today. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: it evolved. from frogs. how was the first human built! [12:20]
asciilifeform: evolved, l0l, from ken thompson. [12:23]
asciilifeform: in point of fact we do not have a freezable software stack. [12:26]
asciilifeform: it isn't even that we are operating on an animal that is squirming on the table, but that it is not an animal at all, but a bag of maggots and weevils [12:27]
asciilifeform: so, for instance, i have, theoretically, a gnat that builds for mips, but in actuality it dun work. [12:33]
ben_vulpes: thanks phf, i used shinohai's dump as i didn't realize that your tgz contained wordpress as well as wp-content [12:33]
asciilifeform: because ALL version of gcc i've been able to get a hold of, which are able to build a version of gnat i've been able to get a hold of, refuse to build gnattools (the linker) when standard lib (which dun belong on a microcontroller) is disabled. [12:34]
asciilifeform: i found a dozen different sites with ad-hoc recipes, and patches, and NONE worked [12:34]
asciilifeform: on top of this, all but two of the gnat ver / gcc ver building it combos i've tried, barf. [12:35]
asciilifeform: and they barf in non-debuggable ways because gnumake was written by chimps, and 'ERROR 2' !!!11 [12:36]
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515840 [12:40]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 04:53 trinque: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=20015 << if the world ever rights "helpful" is going to be a euphemism for "tries to slip dick in when you turn your back" [12:40]
asciilifeform: sooooooo then i put on gas mask, and vivisected the makefiles until FORCED bloody thing to build gnattools [12:40]
asciilifeform: which of course barfed, because it is unable to find the motherfucking std lib that supposedly 'is optional' [12:41]
asciilifeform: but in actuality gnat expects it [12:41]
asciilifeform: and the recipe whereby you substitute a dummy -- dun work. [12:41]
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, that old "fuck you and netbase" http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.98 [12:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the much worse point of this is - WHAT THE FUCK is a "standard lib" supposed to be thaT DOESN'T fit on microcontroller. what the fuck standard is this standard, utf-standard, the antistandard. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: the EXACT opposite of a fucking standard. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: the #1 rule a standard must pass is BEING SMALL. [12:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ada has a titanic standard lib, this is not really escapable on a c machine if you want SAFE data structures, threads, etc. [12:43]
asciilifeform: it has its own fucking scheduler ferfuxxsake [12:43]
asciilifeform: because unix scheduler is RETARDED [12:43]
asciilifeform: now on a micro, one needs VERY little of this, and folks traditionally trim the thing down to fit by sacrificing pieces [12:44]
asciilifeform: this has been done for arm, apparently [12:44]
asciilifeform: but no other box. [12:44]
asciilifeform: all known 'small' standards, e.g., ansi scheme, have resulted in ~99% of the extant code in the respective language using nonstandard libs. [12:45]
asciilifeform: this unicorn, the SMALL language in which ONE CAN ACTUALLY PROGRAM, is not yet born. [12:46]
mircea_popescu: somehow the small alphabet in which one can actually write - is. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: yet modern idiot fancies himself much more intelligent than anyone who ever lived and better informed, and "progressed". [12:50]
asciilifeform: alphabet is not the correct analogy, dictionary - is. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: do tell, how are you richer than your father, and his father, when his reservoir was full and yours is empty ? [12:50]
mircea_popescu: how so ? [12:50]
mircea_popescu: dictionary is eminently NOT a standard. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: it's a guideline. [12:50]
asciilifeform: it is the closest thing any humanlang has to a standard. [12:51]
mircea_popescu: "this text is non-compliant, replace letter ? with a proper letter and resubmit" - right [12:51]
mircea_popescu: "this text is non-compliant, dictionary translation makes no sense" - wrong [12:51]
mircea_popescu: not so. the fucking alphabet is the only human lang standard. [12:51]
asciilifeform: you cannot decipher dead language using alphabet strictly. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: thinking the dictionary "a standard" is exactly the level of ignorance one displays thinking "the blue earth internet icon" [12:52]
asciilifeform: hence why i said 'closest thing' [12:52]
mircea_popescu: this is besides the point. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: not what a standard is. [12:52]
asciilifeform: it is what a standard is in compiler-land. i.e., i can, using only the standard, re-create the compiler. [12:53]
asciilifeform: on a martian computer. [12:53]
asciilifeform: it is what a standard is in the land of nuts and bolts, likewise. [12:53]
asciilifeform: i screwed in a modern part into a bolt plate made 35 yrs ago, last night, and it fit with 0 measurable error. [12:54]
asciilifeform: because motherfucking standards. [12:54]
asciilifeform: you can fire a modern luger round in a ww1 luger, also. [12:55]
asciilifeform: despite that the modern round were made by folks who were born after everyone involved in making the pistol were long dead. [12:56]
asciilifeform: because motherfucking standards. [12:56]
mircea_popescu: i dunno. [12:57]
mircea_popescu: a standard for 1 inch nut does not a) specify material b) enter into considerations of what levers to push on what type of cnc mill [12:58]
mircea_popescu: seems your notion of a standard unduly includes both a and b [12:58]
asciilifeform: attempts to WHOLLY detach a standard from particular artifacts - e.g., si def of the metre in terms of cesium atom cross-sections - have not gone far. [12:59]
asciilifeform: because it is difficult to measure, much less reshape, physical object without using another such [13:00]
mircea_popescu: still. when we discuss language - the alphabet is the only standard. the dictionary is not a standard nor aspires to be a standard. [13:00]
mircea_popescu: this difference is important, and apparently not much understood through normal schooling. [13:00]
PeterL: French dictionary tries to be a standard [13:01]
mircea_popescu: does not. french is specifically the one culture language which does not have a normative, academy-produced dictionary., [13:01]
mircea_popescu: they tried for three centuries, gave up. [13:01]
asciilifeform: a dead language with small literature corpus is arguably standardized. [13:01]
PeterL: what I mean is the french have the academy trying to specify their language [13:01]
asciilifeform: e.g., old norse. [13:02]
mircea_popescu: specification and standard are also different processes. a specified item is evidently different from a standardized item. [13:02]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform non-culture languages are necessarily kinda sucky, amateur affairs. [13:02]
mircea_popescu: similarity, specificity, standardisation. 0, 1, infinity. [13:03]
PeterL: can you expand on what you mean by standard and specified being different? [13:04]
asciilifeform: asking to standardize a living humanlang in the nut-and-bolt sense is rather like asking for a standard liver, leg, or cock. [13:05]
mircea_popescu: if you say "bring me a mcburger" you are asking for a standard item. if you say "bring me a burger" you are asking for a specified item. [13:05]
mircea_popescu: the latter makes some specific comments as to some points of interest - "the meat should be between some sort of bread". the former specifies every single aspect of the item, including a complete chemical composition etc. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: perhaps forcing the point, as these are both industrial processes. anyway. [13:06]
asciilifeform: and alphabet of, e.g., english, is 'standard' for english in the exact 100% useless sense that mendeleev table is 'standard for mcburger'. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: utility is not so clearly married to this alfie. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic utility of abstract objects. [13:07]
asciilifeform: 'standard', in industrial world, has a meaning. it is a document which at least ~attempts~ an exhaustive description of an object, with an aim to enabling reader to re-create it. [13:08]
mircea_popescu: yeawell. not much of a meaning. [13:08]
mircea_popescu: in any fucking case, "here's the standard - it doesn't work for yout item" is rank nonsense, and the paragon of anti-utility. [13:08]
mircea_popescu: that phrase should immediately reduce to "your item is stupid and you're dumb for working on it" [13:08]
asciilifeform: elaborate re where one finds 'here's the standard - it doesn't work for yout item' ?? [13:09]
mircea_popescu: when standard lib (which dun belong on a microcontroller) [13:11]
asciilifeform: and standard tank shell dun fit in the luger. [13:12]
asciilifeform: what of it ? [13:12]
mircea_popescu: mno. EITHER "the standard library" is not the standard library or ELSE your mips is a chunk of charcoal and you've got down syndrome to be trying to program on it. [13:12]
mircea_popescu: that's what standards are. [13:13]
asciilifeform: well, if you actually were to read the ada standard, it has a massive annex specifying ~optional~ components. [13:13]
mircea_popescu: the "standard tank shell" is not "the standard shell" for this exact reason. [13:13]
asciilifeform: which happens to add up to pretty much whole standard lib. [13:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. i did, and was impressed by apparently hermetic points like this, such as an understanding of the difference between standard and specification etc. [13:14]
asciilifeform: the standard was and is a titanic work, imho. [13:14]
asciilifeform: but the implementation is somewhat other matter. [13:14]
mircea_popescu: granted. [13:14]
mircea_popescu: quite. [13:14]
asciilifeform: as with cpp, there is EXACTLY ONE usable public implementation. [13:15]
asciilifeform: and it is as rusty as a ww2 tank pulled from swamp in ukraine. [13:15]
mircea_popescu: what's the exactly one on cpp, llvm ? [13:15]
mircea_popescu: /troll [13:15]
asciilifeform: lolvm [13:15]
asciilifeform: i did say 'usable, public', i can find you winblowz closed turd adas by the dozen also. [13:15]
asciilifeform: they dun exist in my planet. [13:16]
mircea_popescu: anyway, to put it in the harshest term : a man may be shot for one item he produced not being identical to another item someone else produced. this means the item was standardized. [13:17]
mircea_popescu: alternatively, a man may be whipped for one item he produced not meeting what his master told him to produce. this means the item was specified. [13:18]
asciilifeform: aha! [13:19]
asciilifeform: but moreover, there must be, in the former case, a mechanical test which determines if he is to be shot. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: any disparity between two items suffices everyone involved gets shot. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: $s "i want an equal quantity of jam in each muffin" [13:20]
a111: 0 results for "\"i want an equal quantity of jam in each muffin\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22i%20want%20an%20equal%20quantity%20of%20jam%20in%20each%20muffin%22 [13:20]
mircea_popescu: eh ffs. [13:20]
mircea_popescu: (it's from casino) [13:20]
danielpbarron: blueberries* [13:23]
mircea_popescu: oh! [13:23]
mircea_popescu: right you are huh. [13:23]
asciilifeform: as a boy, i read a - i think czech - folk tale, where a servant is made to pour JUST THE RIGHT amount of wine in the king's glass, 'too little, or too much, Off! with yer head!' [13:23]
asciilifeform: and of course loses his head, because it was quite impossible to JUST-so. [13:23]
mircea_popescu: of course. [13:24]
asciilifeform: http://www.worldoftales.com/European_folktales/Czechoslovak_folktale_17.html << hey it exists in engl. apparently. [13:24]
asciilifeform: 'There he ordered Yirik to pour him out a goblet of wine. "And I warn you," he said, "that you forfeit your head if you pour a drop too much or too little."' [13:25]
mircea_popescu: "a drop" is pipette-able though. [13:25]
asciilifeform: king pulls out microscope and still notices shortfall. [13:25]
mircea_popescu: he ~did~ say drop... [13:27]
asciilifeform: but did kingdom have STANDARD!111 drop!! [13:28]
asciilifeform: therein being the rub. [13:28]
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> "a drop" is pipette-able though. [13:29]
asciilifeform: even a very recent europe had idiot circus of ill-specified weights and measures... [13:29]
asciilifeform: recall how napoleon was 'shortened' ? [13:29]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [13:30]
asciilifeform: french foot was slightly longer than british. [13:31]
mircea_popescu: ah ah. sure. [13:31]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [13:54]
gribble: Current Blocks: 424432 | Current Difficulty: 2.0189321085305896E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 425375 | Next Difficulty In: 943 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 18 hours, 49 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [13:54]
BingoBoingo: ticker --market all [13:55]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 584.31, vol: 3538.96290955 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 583.313, vol: 6130.57023 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 604.1, vol: 0.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 585.113391, vol: 98681.36490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 586.77, vol: 1044.94796213 | Volume-weighted last average: 585.002330803 [13:55]
deedbot: [Qntra] Merkel Regime To Broaden Issuance Of Driving Bans In Germany - http://qntra.net/2016/08/merkel-regime-to-broaden-issuance-of-driving-bans-in-germany/ [13:57]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: suspensed --> suspended ? [14:00]
BingoBoingo: ty fxd [14:00]
asciilifeform: 'when you can administratively imprison them later' --> before?! [14:00]
BingoBoingo: No. before is common. Suspended sentence means you tell them they are free except for X,Y and then later you lock them up for clause Z later. [14:01]
trinque: mod6: V99994 built just fine [14:10]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-09#1517304 << nah, anything that can speak pgsql, i.e. psycopg2 [14:11]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-09 12:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-09#1517299 << if i had a working lispified phuctor, yes. [14:11]
trinque: first item simply connects and stays connected to IRC second item creates a two-way interface to IRC via pg [14:11]
mircea_popescu: and in other dubious entertainment, http://i.imgur.com/iQlIhbb.jpg [14:27]
shinohai: $ticker --market all [14:49]
shinohai: duh [14:50]
shinohai: ticker --market all [14:50]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 584.41, vol: 3499.03957998 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 583.031, vol: 6122.57726 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 604.1, vol: 0.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 584.568953, vol: 99279.99300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 585.31, vol: 1009.12428445 | Volume-weighted last average: 584.485024797 [14:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wat's that [14:51]
asciilifeform: trinque: the db is a painful and incurable bottleneck for phuctor, the LAST thing i want is to use it for anything else. [14:52]
trinque: asciilifeform: would be trivial to write another subclass of ircbot that just sat there reading stdin and shitting stdout [14:58]
asciilifeform: trinque: the abstraction will leak. [14:59]
asciilifeform: just as it does now [14:59]
asciilifeform: (e.g., line length limit) [14:59]
asciilifeform: fact is, irc is NOT a stdout-compatible device. [14:59]
asciilifeform: has severe impedance mismatch. [14:59]
trinque: asciilifeform: mkay, well, I'm spending precisely zero time debugging some python rss module [15:00]
trinque: rss is a piece of shit that descends from the www idiocy [15:00]
asciilifeform: trinque: consider printing the url first [15:00]
trinque: that I can do [15:00]
asciilifeform: that'll suffice. [15:00]
asciilifeform: ty trinque . [15:01]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wat's that << Looks like some species of farm gurl [15:18]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what led you to this conclusion ? [15:19]
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/capi/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - capi [15:20]
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/hello/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - HELLO [15:20]
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/wp-content-for-a/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - wp-content for a. [15:20]
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2016/as-from-ccl/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - applescript from clozure [15:20]
trinque: ^ new format [15:21]
trinque: also hai to phf's blog [15:21]
asciilifeform: neato [15:21]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The floral patterned dresses, hair clearly styled by each other, and sorta bored rural look on their faces. [15:21]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/former-illinois-governor-loses-convictions-but-keeps-prison-sentence/ << Qntra - Former Illinois Governor Loses Convictions But Keeps Prison Sentence [15:44]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/alleged-orlando-shooters-father-seated-behind-hillary-at-rally/ << Qntra - Alleged Orlando Shooter's Father Seated Behind Hillary At Rally [15:56]
BingoBoingo: https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/1221067 [16:02]
asciilifeform: http://freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com/?page_id=512 << just as unrelated to anything, but imho moar interesting [16:05]
asciilifeform: ' But the real morals of the story is that one must be able to employ every little part of the animal you kill, like the man does… ' [16:06]
trinque: shinohai: ben_vulpes gave me the wad o' wp-mp you gave him. am I supposed to apply this patch, or is it already applied? it broke when applying [16:52]
shinohai: weird trinque worked fine after i did all that. [16:53]
* trinque gonna start using blogotron instead of just dumping things in the logs [16:53]
trinque: shinohai: what am I supposed to do, unpack then apply that patch? [16:53]
trinque: I'm just humping the football over here [16:53]
shinohai: yeah I unpacked it all the applied patch, built database and was good to go [16:54]
trinque: mkay I'll try again [16:55]
shinohai: kk [16:56]
trinque: man I haven't phpeed since 2006 [16:56]
shinohai: It took a while for me to remember everything but I guess like bike riding and all [16:58]
trinque: <?= 'hello darkness my old friend' ?> [16:59]
trinque: shinohai: ah the patch diddles wp-content too got it now [17:02]
shinohai: Not sure how you got it from ben but for me i packed it up precisely as I got it working xD [17:02]
trinque: time for a genesis vpatch! [17:03]
shinohai: yup [17:04]
trinque: anyhow you packaged it up fine I just skipped a step [17:04]
shinohai: Maybe it will get whittled down more when I have some time to dedicate to it [17:06]
mircea_popescu: "peter john I am giving a testimony of how i become rich and famous today... i was deeply strangled up by poverty and i had no body to help me, and also i search for help from different corners but to no avail. i see people around me getting rich but to me i was so ashamed of my self so i met a man on my way he was very rich and he was a doctor so he told me something and i think over" [17:43]
mircea_popescu: teh mentality of the poor idiot penning these things... so he's gonna tell me he's famous ? why, because he's more or less obama, and if he hadn't told me i'd have never known ? [17:44]
mircea_popescu: peter john the nobel prize laureate. [17:44]
asciilifeform: does is 'famous' a mistranslation of some unique nigerian word, or wat [17:44]
mircea_popescu: from his country of africa which is ken ya ni ger ya ? [17:44]
asciilifeform: spamlandia. [17:44]
mircea_popescu: he's looking for help in the vast fields of literal representation. against this demon-beast strangling him. [17:45]
mircea_popescu: because we're all equally people and therefore all equally potent in richdom. just his time hasn't come yet to becoming in wealth-hood. [17:45]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-09#1517476 << coupla too old bitchez. [17:47]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-09 18:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wat's that [17:47]
asciilifeform: it is not even easy to be certain re what 'he was very rich' means in the mental landscape of the degenerates. [17:47]
asciilifeform: i.e. 'owns five goats' ? [17:47]
asciilifeform: mercedes and five goats ? [17:48]
mircea_popescu: obviously. since his notion of fame doesn't match the common notion of fame, you'd expect his notion of richness doesn't either. [17:48]
asciilifeform: and the whole exercise becomes one of deciphering martian language. [17:48]
mircea_popescu: hey, it's what they pay us mercedi for, amirite. [17:48]
asciilifeform: 5 goat / minute. [17:49]
mircea_popescu: just about! [17:49]
mircea_popescu: tho to be honest mercedessen seems a better plural [17:49]
asciilifeform: tru. [17:49]
mircea_popescu: i still remember the fucking lolz we had as kiddies when they introduced this penpal thing they religiously matched all boys with girls, and this guy got paired with... mercedes gonzales. [17:50]
mircea_popescu: god it was a riot. [17:50]
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: V99994 built just fine << nice! thanks :] [18:57]
mircea_popescu: #up pouledodue [19:17]
mircea_popescu: $up pouledodue [19:17]
deedbot: pouledodue voiced for 30 minutes. [19:17]
asciilifeform: from the dept. of Run Moar Winblowz, https://securelist.com/analysis/publications/75533/faq-the-projectsauron-apt [19:30]
mircea_popescu: "Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s)." i presume this is good for fiat. [19:31]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this came out of what, curl ? [19:31]
mircea_popescu: the-thing-which-i-use [19:32]
asciilifeform: '...The attackers used multiple interesting and unusual techniques, including: Data exfiltration and real-time status reporting using DNS requests. Implant deployment using legitimate software update scripts....' [19:32]
asciilifeform: ^ bonus lul [19:32]
asciilifeform: but didja know, how WORLD WORX, ya CAN'T HAVE computer without dns and updatez!111111111111111 [19:33]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1056325 << it's the curl thing aha. [19:37]
asciilifeform: or rather, where it first pops up in the logz. [19:37]
asciilifeform: them bitz were shuffled 'round, to get them dirty terrorists UPDATING LIKE GOD SAID TO etc [19:37]
mircea_popescu: aww [19:38]
asciilifeform: 'The website may try to fallback to TLS 1.0 in a way that is no longer allowed in current releases or may be using a deprecated cipher suite.' [19:38]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform real men ban dns traffic on their net machines. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: (i am proud to report i've deployed this long ago and it causes absolutely no inconvenience whatever, just in case the "killing god is impossibru!!!" emovibe is strong in the reader) [19:40]
asciilifeform: well apparently it did keep mircea_popescu from searchengining for the error msg. [19:40]
asciilifeform: and perhaps it is 'not inconvenient' because other folks do this for him ? [19:41]
mircea_popescu: i wasn't going to. [19:41]
asciilifeform: all quite reminiscent of rms [19:41]
mircea_popescu: i so deeply don't give a shit WHY some failure failed. [19:41]
asciilifeform: and his 'i ask friends to load www links for me and print and to bring me' [19:41]
mircea_popescu: except... i don't. [19:41]
mircea_popescu: i literally dun care what the thing may contain. [19:42]
mircea_popescu: if it's public-newsworthy i'll read it on qntra if it's nonpublic i'll read it in reports. bout how it goes. i suppose you can say this is that. [19:43]
asciilifeform: it works, apparently, for mircea_popescu . [19:43]
asciilifeform: but is advice that is of 0 use outside of the dirigible. [19:44]
mircea_popescu: mebbe try it first. [19:44]
asciilifeform: try what? if i can't search for error messages, i literally go broke. [19:45]
asciilifeform: more or less immediately. [19:45]
asciilifeform: just as i run, e.g., virii, which like to use dns. [19:45]
asciilifeform: but i guess i forgot that... YOU CAN HAVE ONE COMPUTER ONLY [19:46]
asciilifeform: or what. [19:46]
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder if mircea_popescu is seeeekritly an orthodox jew: [19:48]
asciilifeform: y'know, it STILL counts as dns'in if you send gurlz to do it... [19:48]
mircea_popescu: but i ... don't. for honests. [19:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's intel group investigates solely using binoculars ? [19:49]
mircea_popescu: oh oh that. i don't care what they do. [19:49]
asciilifeform: ah there we go. [19:49]
mircea_popescu: as you might've noticed, i'm the opposite of a micromanager. [19:50]
asciilifeform: try asking them to do next mission without dns. [19:50]
asciilifeform: see what they say. [19:50]
asciilifeform: (i haven't any dispute re dns being a work of evil, from day 1, but the rms solution is not a solution and i will continue to laugh) [19:51]
mircea_popescu: works on my machine! [19:52]
mircea_popescu: and in other butts, http://67.media.tumblr.com/bb86e0301d8858b4ebde397e23087cf0/tumblr_n99rjotaV21se6xvlo1_500.gif [20:05]
shinohai: bravissimo [20:06]
mircea_popescu: and in other ethereum news : the "white hack" attackers... stole... the pot. [20:10]
asciilifeform: what did they originally propose to do with it? [20:10]
mircea_popescu: heh. [20:11]
asciilifeform: give to starving nigerians ? [20:11]
mircea_popescu: something something rigthful owners something etc. [20:11]
asciilifeform: ah lel [20:11]
asciilifeform: so, 2nd hardphork when ? [20:11]
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/19oTs wall of text/pointless dramaz. [20:11]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/giro-girotondo-con-il-sesso-e-bello-il-mondo/ << Trilema - Giro girotondo con il sesso e bello il mondo [20:12]
mircea_popescu: shinohai http://67.media.tumblr.com/50156485fcb4ea53aa37acebbf1ee06a/tumblr_n99rjotaV21se6xvlo2_500.gif << thgere you go. [20:15]
* shinohai claps [20:16]
asciilifeform: turns out whole 'giro girotondo' is on youtube [21:41]
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy [21:41]
mircea_popescu: most old foreign stuff is on youtube. [21:49]
mircea_popescu: shows what a vibrant space one'd have without the usg.mpaa idjits [21:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~all the ru material worth seeing, afaik, is. [22:36]
asciilifeform: the films, just as the b00kz. [22:36]
mircea_popescu: aha [22:37]
asciilifeform: in other vintage lulz, https://ballandalus.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/a-hispano-muslim-embassy-to-the-vikings-in-845-an-account-of-al-ghazals-journey-to-the-north [22:48]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CEB08E08EEF3C71AEC185767B076C306E945E535BE55A8CAAAB9378A9F7CD4D1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 5683000818959356094387121433230433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Andreas Fleig <andreasfleig@googlemail.com> ' [22:51]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBC53C4FC84FB6570CC9AACEE304CF6E13339C4581D517A786C30DABA3995874 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 90055334522847202481312882334750017605897224759371784435327473584564809667943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.179 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.13.179@mkj.lt [22:51]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62A0A5FF9984D126E11550FC9BAFE24C40A6B55F885AA428EFFDF4AF59405FC6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 90055334522847202481312882334750017605897224759371784435327473584564809667943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.4.97 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.4.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.4.97@mkj.lt> ' [23:00]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBC53C4FC84FB6570CC9AACEE304CF6E13339C4581D517A786C30DABA3995874 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 90055334522847202481312882334750017605897224759371784435327473584564809667943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.179 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.13.179@mkj.lt [23:00]
mircea_popescu: heh getting in zone is it. [23:01]
asciilifeform: $s 90055334522847202481312882334750017605897224759371784435327473584564809667943 [23:19]
a111: 3 results for "90055334522847202481312882334750017605897224759371784435327473584564809667943", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=90055334522847202481312882334750017605897224759371784435327473584564809667943 [23:19]
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/NKU6L << Fat Ethiopian Olympic swimmer [23:30]
BingoBoingo: Not like grotesque fat, but like WTF? Why bother sending someone when your best swimmer is 20-30% worse than the next worst country's swimmer? [23:31]
BingoBoingo: Like someone paid for the dude to be last place. Not even with reasonable expectations they could do otherwise, but solidly knowing what would happen. [23:35]
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