Forum logs for 08 Aug 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
asciilifeform: << base64 -i [00:08]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:15 mod6: because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary. [00:08]
asciilifeform: << you dun have to remove'em, just -i [00:09]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:47 mod6: once removed, works as expected. seems like i can just alter my sed command and should be ok. [00:09]
asciilifeform: base64 -d -i foo.uu > bar.baz [00:11]
mod6: asciilifeform: hey thanks. [00:22]
mod6: let me try that out [00:22]
mod6: hrm, didn't seem to work on my end: [00:24]
mod6: i tried the -i, ignore garbage, during my earlier tour didn't seem to do what i hoped. [00:25]
BingoBoingo: [00:50]
BingoBoingo: Bad News for the Arabs [00:53]
mircea_popescu: onoes. [00:54]
ben_vulpes: << your highly log-referential humour has not gone unnoticed [00:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-08 02:01 BingoBoingo: And the water eggogs out [00:55]
BingoBoingo: Not safe for Life, if you look all you have to blame is yourself [00:56]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: ty [01:02]
ben_vulpes: << the spin continues [01:29]
ben_vulpes: annoying theme of the article: "according to documents seen by the guardian" [01:29]
ben_vulpes: bitch shut the fuck up or publish [01:30]
ben_vulpes: i don't take shit on anyone's word anymore [01:30]
ben_vulpes: you either bring scans and let them stand or you bring unsubstantiated claims [01:30]
mircea_popescu: aww, you don't take the agitprop at face value, terrorist ? [01:31]
ben_vulpes: and you're the guaaaardian you backed greenwald gtfo [01:31]
mircea_popescu: heh. [01:31]
ben_vulpes: actually greenwald schmeenwald you backed *anyone* who suggested the use of anything other than RSA. [01:32]
mircea_popescu: according to documents seen by mp, the guardian publishes anything for a double hamburger. [01:36]
ben_vulpes: jeez [01:36]
ben_vulpes: the thing features stock photos of leo from the movie and the obligatory noble j-school ho [01:36]
mats: << microsoft delivers [01:38]
a111: Logged on 2016-03-30 22:30 mats: i look forward to moar attack surface [01:38]
mircea_popescu: lol [01:39]
ben_vulpes: oh man the thing even has a "sign the papers" moment [01:41]
ben_vulpes: man the weak shit on display [01:42]
ben_vulpes: oh sorry am i distracting from the fiddy cents of btc bitfinex lost? [01:43]
mircea_popescu: no it was a billion! [01:45]
BingoBoingo: Covered By ObamaKoin Insurance [01:54]
asciilifeform: << lulzy. [10:48]
mircea_popescu: "rouge" ? nm. [10:49]
asciilifeform: it's a gag, but subj crossed 'parody horizon' long ago. [10:50]
mircea_popescu: aok [10:51]
asciilifeform: ('brittanica' is not in fact included in that lib, but i found myself checking...) [10:52]
deedbot: [Trilema] My Rather Sad Breakfast, or Fuck You "Smart Food Company SRL" and Fuck You "Industria Argentina". - [10:54]
asciilifeform: and here i was, thinking mircea_popescu had his phood flown in [10:59]
mircea_popescu: sometimes. [11:00]
mircea_popescu: what i do dun excuse the localtards, though. [11:01]
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, check out how people made 1 btc back in 2012 : [12:01]
phf: simpler times [12:02]
shinohai: i always miss these opportunities to make easy BTC, i knew that one xD [12:04]
mircea_popescu: funny thing being, at the time i was running a sort of digg (well, much better, but anyway) in romanian, and people could actually cash out, via btc. a few did, not massive sums at the time, but massive sums in btc. [12:06]
deedbot: [Trilema] The Husewife at the ATM - [12:09]
asciilifeform: unrelated, and - possibly at this point, unsurprising - lelz: [12:10]
asciilifeform: '...employees of the DFAS were routinely told by superiors to take “unsubstantiated change actions” commonly referred to as “plugging” the numbers. These “plugs” – which amounted to falsifying financial records – were then used to create the appearance that the military’s financial data matched that of the U.S. Treasury Department’s numbers when discrepancies in the financial data couldn’t be accounted for, acco [12:11]
asciilifeform: rding to the Reuters investigation.' [12:11]
mircea_popescu: sooo, is lybia going to bomb the us now, to put obama in a cage, and hang himlater, while "giving a chance to democracy" in that country ? [12:11]
asciilifeform: hyperborea, and atlantis, in coalition. [12:13]
mircea_popescu: seems the us is pretty ripe for giving the people a voice etc. [12:13]
asciilifeform: 'regime change begins at home' -- popular picket sign in bush II era [12:14]
phf: trinque: so your bot has a bunch of string matches for things that come back from nickserv, but they are all stripped of special characters. like "nick has been ghosted." what i get back is "^Anick^A has been ghosted." is that some setting i'm missing? or something else? [12:16]
deedbot: [Trilema] The Huswife at the ATM - [12:16]
trinque: phf: did the paster eat those? I have them too [12:19]
phf: paster ates them [12:20]
mircea_popescu: in other "stripping the special chars" news, [12:20]
trinque: lol [12:21]
trinque: phf: probably better to just get sasl in there [12:21]
phf: sasl is made of fail [12:21]
mircea_popescu: ^ [12:22]
trinque: and nickserv isn't? [12:22]
mircea_popescu: it's literally, "fail" read out by the wodewick roman guy [12:22]
phf: sasl doesn't ghost, it renames you, and when you rename back, it asks you to identify [12:22]
trinque: ah fucker [12:22]
trinque: who made all this [12:22]
phf: eh, i'm not too worried about it, i'm playing "spot the eastern european" game at the ocean city board walk. tall check, skinny check, fit check, not surrounded by 4 bros check. there are some easy matches though. fat +100 to american. not busted, but with a black guy +100 slav. [12:24]
mircea_popescu: what's busted ? [12:26]
* asciilifeform found that it is ~impossible to visit a museum of whatever kind in washington, or beach in delaware/md coast, without hearing spoken ru in the crowd at least once [12:30]
mats: 'Not even the ones managed and attented* by ethically* Asian people' << is this intentional or? [12:33]
mats: i am not surprised DFAS is fucked up, i'd guess 1 in 10 soldiers see pay issues during their enlistment [12:35]
mats: some - don't see them resolved until they exit service [12:36]
mats: i didn't see a deposit clear until 3 months into training (good thing i didn't really need it, had enough cash to buy running shoes and what not) [12:38]
asciilifeform: mats: i'd be rather surprised if missing $T had anything to do with soldiers' pay. [12:38]
mircea_popescu: mats sort-of yeah. [12:39]
asciilifeform: does their collective pay even add up to $B, or the cost of 1 magic airplane. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: nah. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: 50k people making 100k a year that's 5bn [12:39]
mircea_popescu: add in all the various tax and "education" easements + medical care etc. [12:40]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100k is a colonel's pay [12:40]
asciilifeform: how many colonels? [12:40]
mircea_popescu: and 50k is meta-usa army. but anywya. [12:40]
mats: too many colonels. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: when doing degree of magnitude evaluation we do degree of magnitude. [12:40]
phf: mircea_popescu: various signs of often irreversible degradation, corn rows, track marks, gaudy tattoos [12:40]
mircea_popescu: ie, "appearance in according to greater russian code" ? :P [12:41]
mats: also endemic problems with the travel system and reimbursements [12:41]
mircea_popescu: also endemic problems with procurement. weren't famblies sending silly string over because dod can't afford ? [12:42]
phf: mircea_popescu: "busted" == "not approved by phf" [12:42]
mats: NCOs would routinely get fucked and have to cover out of pocket because the vouchers wouldn't clear fast enough [12:42]
mircea_popescu: i got that concept too phf ! :D [12:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't 'couldn't afford', but 'not in protocol' [12:42]
asciilifeform: different disease. [12:42]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hardly. [12:42]
mats: yes, i also heard about the silly string [12:42]
mats: and batteries [12:42]
mats: and polymer magazines [12:42]
asciilifeform: they can 'afford' 10k shitanium rifle where you can't even club a man with the butt [12:43]
mats: and ... its a long list [12:43]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the pretence that "it's not because we're poor, it's because of the sandbugs" is ENTIRELY rural belle ego protection and naught else. [12:43]
asciilifeform: this'd be one of those poor folk in hanbot's story [12:43]
asciilifeform: who is only poor because he has 25 ipnojes [12:44]
mircea_popescu: that's the dod, dude. [12:44]
asciilifeform: one for each dog. [12:44]
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously the sputniks made a plane that could fly for 1/100 the "cost". [12:44]
* asciilifeform perenially wonders what felipelalli uses for a modem [12:45]
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm somewhat puzzled that NOBODY said a single word re new trilema header. [12:45]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mega-hassan-i sabbah win. [12:46]
mircea_popescu: because we collectively lost our shit hiar while making it and kept laughing convulsively for many hours. [12:47]
asciilifeform: in other noose, krebs ( ) has definitely been awake since i wrote to him (he has new material on his site) but never answered re phuctor/khadeer/etc. [12:51]
asciilifeform: so we learn, now, where he stands. [12:51]
mircea_popescu: hey check you out, you can raise teh ded [12:52]
asciilifeform: eh wat [12:53]
mircea_popescu: " has definitely been awake since i wrote to him (he has new material on his site)" << i took this to mean site was ded previously ? [12:54]
asciilifeform: nono [12:54]
asciilifeform: just that there is no 'he was at the beach' excuse available. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: ah i c. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : hano bock (the deceitful shitbag) drives slightly less traffic via his twitter / than phuctor does via its faq page. [12:57]
mircea_popescu: from which we infer shitbags lose and phuctor > twitter. [12:57]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwat, he linked it from ~own~ page?! [13:16]
mircea_popescu: what's "own" mean when discussing vermin ? [13:16]
asciilifeform: meant to say, vermin linked to mircea_popescu's article ? dun they have a rule against this?! [13:17]
mircea_popescu: they also have a rule about bombing rogue states that steal $5bn out of people's wealth to pay cronies. [13:18]
asciilifeform: only when uppity orc [13:19]
mircea_popescu: in perhaps related, perhaps interesting to amateur historian sources, here's the 1950 act that confiscated various houses of "the enemies of the regime" in Romania : [13:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how were the particular kulaks picked ? [13:21]
mircea_popescu: perhaps notable for the device : a) the ~rights~ without any encumberances of real estate named goes on to new owner b) anyone currently living there is now renting from new owner, no matter what title they thought they had c) anyone fucking with this gets 10 years hard labour. [13:21]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform judging by the fact that 99% of it is bucharest, it's entirely certain they were picked by personal invidy. [13:21]
mircea_popescu: otherwise, bucharest scarcely accounted for a fifth of the country's real estate and most of it was shit anyway when compared with the 3-5 century old stuff in transylvania. [13:22]
mircea_popescu: anyway, by the workings of that thing, if you took out a loan + mortgage to buy a house the house did go on to be owned by X, but you kept the mortgage. [13:23]
asciilifeform: we have this right here in usaschwitz, if house confiscated as part of 'dope warz' (requires no conviction in any court) chumper ~also~ gets to keep the mortgage. [13:24]
mircea_popescu: the principle is fundamental to any such activity. the usg will obviously still owe on all its obligations, such as social security. it will however not have any right to perceive any income. and anyone involved is personally responsible - with their own fat, personally - of the exact execution of this. [13:24]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, gotta make sure one expropriates the socialists in the proper manner such is done. ie, as they themselves do it. [13:25]
asciilifeform: 'грабь награбленное' (tm) (r) [13:27]
asciilifeform: (lenin.) [13:27]
mircea_popescu: quite. [13:27]
PeterL: << idea: transfer random series a and b of length A and B where A and B are co-prime, session key is the series {(a[i%A] XOR b[i%B]) for i in [0, AxB]} [14:08]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 14:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your call, because the matter is quite acute : is it a safer system to demand 8kb entropy/second and hash 12 times ? or to demand say 128bytes/second and hash 768 times ? [14:08]
asciilifeform: holy fuck why [14:08]
asciilifeform: ? [14:08]
PeterL: would be better than just reusing the one otp over a bunch of times? [14:08]
asciilifeform: no one suggested reusing an otp !! [14:09]
asciilifeform: the idiot reservation is the next door [14:09]
PeterL: maybe I misunderstood what MP was suggesting? [14:09]
asciilifeform: quite definitely. [14:09]
PeterL: ok, nevermind then [14:09]
asciilifeform: PeterL: mircea_popescu's original suggestion was to transfer properly random messages, via rsa, continuously, thereby keeping a supply of otp warm on both sides [14:10]
asciilifeform: which is then tapped into when actually sending payloads. [14:10]
asciilifeform: quite like what, e.g., gpg does, but in ~batches~ ahead of time. [14:11]
PeterL: Anybody else watch olympic opening ceremony? There was about a minute of fun brazillian dancing and hours of boringness and a stupid tribute to global warming. Bleh. [14:24]
asciilifeform: $up b-a_alum [14:46]
deedbot: b-a_alum voiced for 30 minutes. [14:46]
mircea_popescu: $up dfgg_ [14:57]
deedbot: dfgg_ voiced for 30 minutes. [14:57]
mircea_popescu: PeterL seems pretty wasteful neh? [15:01]
PeterL: wasteful to pass N bytes of otp for each N bytes of message? [15:03]
mircea_popescu: PeterL reusing an otp straight makes bothering with the whole scheme kinda pointless hashing an old otp to generate a new otp is perhaps dubious, but in widespread use. (it's more or less what a "deterministic" wallet is, for instance) [15:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you understand that if you never hash them, you might as well not use them at all and simply rsa the actual message back and forth. as appealing as the idea is in theory, it's not workable in practice because even with a game as relaxed as eulora, it'll still be too laggy. [15:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'rsa the actual message back and forth' << not same. for instance, if you have the pump going at all times, it can be cache-local. [15:06]
mircea_popescu: yeah there are some advantages. but half second is too much to delay a game message for encryption, and you won't be able to fit two passes in .5 s [15:07]
asciilifeform: the only aspect of rsa that actually takes palpable time on a modern box is key gen. [15:07]
mircea_popescu: got any benchmarks ? [15:08]
asciilifeform: not handily. [15:09]
mircea_popescu: worth checking this, if you have an actual c implementation anywhere. [15:09]
asciilifeform: i'ma put this in the pipe. [15:09]
mircea_popescu: anyway : the rsa/otp scheme is also bw-wasting, up to a factor of 2 if no hashing, or otherwise depending on how many hash passes, with 20 it's just 1.05 ie 5% more bw etc. [15:10]
asciilifeform: incidentally gmp (what ~everybody, at least gpg users, use) is braindamaged in a certain important way [15:10]
asciilifeform: i.e. it allocates. [15:10]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [15:10]
mircea_popescu: there's also a subtle point here, which is : that if we indeed use a otp-and-hash scheme, this in fact puts whatever hash scheme we use to work. [15:10]
mircea_popescu: ie, it'd be silly to correctly engineer this system in the sense of minimalism, as we're more interested in it testing our tools. [15:11]
mircea_popescu: afaik nobody to date deployed keccak on any sort of large scale anything for any purpose over any duration. unless someone else knows ? [15:12]
mircea_popescu: (and for the governance-minded log reader : yeah, the above is literally me in my capacity as ceo making a strategic choice that puts the best interest of shareholders second, after the interest of the republic. it literally subsidizes republican research at the expense of's bottom line. not only is this common in my practice - i hold it to be both required and unavoidable, and if "that's not how you'd run a corp" you're [15:16]
mircea_popescu: either an ashole or an idiot. but in any case if oyu don't like it you can get stuffed. bitbet pays for miner cartelisation detection and minigame pays for hash research and so on and so forth.) [15:16]
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that 'hash research' is presently not even yet at alchemy level, and stuck somewhere between haruspicy and astrology. [15:22]
mircea_popescu: it won't get out of it unless and until we start putting it in things. [15:23]
mircea_popescu: at least that's my best guess atm. [15:23]
asciilifeform: eh folks have been 'putting it in things' since '80s [15:23]
mircea_popescu: management an inexact science. [15:23]
mircea_popescu: name one. [15:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu knows that this is not how crypto strength is established. [15:23]
mircea_popescu: i do. but it is how people are enticed to read code , and think about what they read. [15:23]
asciilifeform: (the depressing part is that the way it ~is~ established, is claude shannon's otp paper, and it happened exactly ONCE, afaik, to date.) [15:24]
asciilifeform: afaik we do not have any theoretical support whatsoever for the strength of any known hash algo. [15:24]
asciilifeform: just as for block ciphers. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: possibly not. [15:25]
asciilifeform: (we have support for ~weakness~ and this confuses people) [15:25]
* asciilifeform brb [15:25]
asciilifeform: cryptography is a 'meat market' where, after sobering up, one notices that 100% of the 'girls' are actually pigs. [15:54]
asciilifeform: and then you go, again, to the bottle. [15:54]
asciilifeform: rinse, repeat. [15:54]
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the uncensored, full-length version of shannon's otp paper was released only in 2013 ! [15:58]
asciilifeform: << pdf only. [15:59]
mircea_popescu: fucking adobe. [15:59]
asciilifeform: << apparently a thing [16:00]
shinohai: later tell mod6 2 tests complete both passed [16:00]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [16:00]
mircea_popescu: in juicier news, [16:04]
deedbot: [Trilema] Respiro - [16:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: liberation of the dogs ?? [16:23]
mod6: shinohai: sweet! [16:29]
mod6: thanks for checking that out [16:29]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [16:29]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, " finally shut down. - Niggermania.NET" << apparently there was a detroit lafond. [17:29]
asciilifeform: did he get, i wonder, 'unamusement park'-ed ? [17:30]
asciilifeform: or was it 'through difficult country'-d [17:30]
mircea_popescu: apparently "litigation based on dmca" [17:30]
asciilifeform: (.za blogger fella who got 'accidentally' beaten to death in police station one time) [17:30]
thestringpuller: rumors of lucifer [17:33]
mircea_popescu: $google cacastecherita [19:12]
deedbot: << Cum sa fii peste - ghid simplu, pe inteles si exhaustiv on Trilema - A ... | << Cae Dorel ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. [19:12]
mircea_popescu: da fuck is with these people. [19:13]
mircea_popescu: "Today, on February 3rd, 2015, ends." << the "internet" in the sense of "world wide web" contracts right on schedule. [21:00]
mircea_popescu: fewer sites today than in 1996, for sure. [21:01]
* asciilifeform has never so much as heard of '' [22:20]
mircea_popescu: yeah well. they were a major yahoo sorta thing, years ago. aol-owned outfit. [22:23]
mircea_popescu: "The search for the reason behind the declining PCU in EVE Online continues." << how about "the game fucking sucks". [22:24]
mircea_popescu: and in other camping news, [23:16]
BingoBoingo: Yeah, eve's downfall was transitioning from spreadsheets in space to MS Excel specifically in space [23:44]
BingoBoingo: Listen to your elders [23:56]
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