Forum logs for 10 Aug 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
deedbot: << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - From the Round House on Sally’s Pond. [01:38]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc they actually get paid to show up. [07:08]
mircea_popescu: ie, there's an allowance the olympic lizzards make for each country to participate. many of them spend many times more on their teams but for shitholes from the country of africa it's actually lucrative in the sense of, pay fiddy bux to local derp to spend a week in a hotel for the first time in his life cash in on the olympic committee millionz. [07:10]
BingoBoingo: << Delusion Update "Instead, Seaman noted, Classic is an “insecure orphan chain” being promoted in a way that would be illegal if Ethereum were a publicly traded company, which it could eventually be." and other lol [08:49]
shinohai: xD [08:49]
jurov: today is IPO, tomorrow is GLORY [09:04]
BingoBoingo: $b 1 [09:16]
deedbot: << Qntra - Man Jailed After Allegedly Spiking Utah Police Sergeant's Lemonade [09:24]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what. [09:35]
mircea_popescu: ethereum "publicly traded company" ? in what alternate universe. [09:35]
BingoBoingo: In the one where the entire thing turns into the DAO [09:36]
mircea_popescu: "david seaman, a crypto blogger". way to go. "nobody on a stick" etc. [09:36]
mircea_popescu: anyway, feel free to publish trash piece. derp has exactly no clue, EVERY single thing he says is remarkably stupid and pointedly wrong. [09:37]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, [09:42]
mircea_popescu: in the same vein, [09:44]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: didn't you attend moosecon? [09:58]
asciilifeform: nope. [09:58]
asciilifeform: 'shmoocon' [09:58]
thestringpuller: $s moosecon [09:58]
a111: 1 results for "moosecon", [09:58]
thestringpuller: ah [09:58]
asciilifeform: later tell BingoBoingo can you identify this weed ? >> [09:59]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [09:59]
PeterL: is that a weed or some kind of fruit? [10:01]
mircea_popescu: google sez : "best guess for this image is - plant. here are some similar : " [10:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel [10:33]
asciilifeform: PeterL: weed [10:34]
asciilifeform: with fruit. [10:34]
asciilifeform: and none of the reference material i have on the subj, features it. [10:34]
* shinohai consults the voynich manuscript [10:34]
mircea_popescu: lol [10:35]
asciilifeform: << moar 'black hole lulz' [10:36]
asciilifeform: this is the n-th time with the sequence number prediction thing, isnnit. [10:36]
mircea_popescu: and they're not giving it up, either. [10:37]
asciilifeform: << orig. source apparently. [10:39]
mircea_popescu: ah nm, they're putting a large ack limit in conf so as to... BYPASS THE MAGIC NUMBERS BAKED IN. [10:39]
asciilifeform: 'In this paper, we report a subtle yet serious side channel vulnerability (CVE-2016-5696) introduced in a recent TCP specification. The specification is faithfully implemented in Linux kernel version 3.6 (from 2012) and beyond, and affects a wide range of devices and hosts. In a nutshell, the vulnerability allows a blind off-path attacker to infer if any two arbitrary hosts on the Internet are communicating using a TCP connection. Fu [10:39]
asciilifeform: rther, if the connection is present, such an off-path attacker can also infer the TCP sequence numbers in use, from both sides of the connection this in turn allows the attacker to cause connection termination and perform data injection attacks. We illustrate how the attack can be leveraged to disrupt or degrade the privacy guarantees of an anonymity network such as Tor, and perform web connection hijacking. Through extensive experi [10:39]
asciilifeform: ments, we show that the attack is fast and reliable. On average, it takes about 40 to 60 seconds to finish and the success rate is 88% to 97%. Finally, we propose changes to both the TCP specification and implementation to eliminate the root cause of the problem.' [10:39]
mircea_popescu: lemme link to the previous instance of me losing it over this. where was it. [10:39]
mircea_popescu: something with file descriptors [10:40]
asciilifeform: iirc it was the db descriptors thing in trb. [10:40]
mircea_popescu: nono, some idiot/genius explaining how he "fixed" something or the other in kernel [10:41]
mircea_popescu: reecently. [10:41]
* asciilifeform remembers thread, but unable to turn it up in the l0gz [10:44]
asciilifeform: 'implemented in Linux kernel version 3.6 (from 2012) and beyond' << emphasis. [10:45]
mircea_popescu: you recall ? was some foss "expert" blog article, in which he detailed some bugfixing he did, except it was of the nature of "i removed undigested corn kernel from shit on wall - all better now" [10:45]
asciilifeform: why no mention of WHO implemented ? [10:45]
mircea_popescu: heh. [10:46]
asciilifeform: the most galling thing is the VERY NOTION of a tcp that isn't porous. because tcp breaks BOTH of the two, as i found, iron rules of network sanity: 1) NOTHING TO RANDOS FOR FREE 2) NO OPERATIONS ON UNSIGNED INPUT [10:50]
asciilifeform: (quite arguably, (2) is redundant and subsumed in (1). but it defines what is a 'rando') [10:50]
mircea_popescu: speaking of "actionable steps towards better itnernet", do i have benchmarks yet ? [10:52]
asciilifeform: the only permissible operation on an unsigverified input is - constant-time sig verification. [10:52]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not quite yet. [10:53]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but current idea is, an instrumented gpg. [10:54]
asciilifeform: << further lulz [10:54]
asciilifeform: 'Why was there no mention of the fact that running freebsd-update to install the fix for the bspatch advisory [SA-16:25] may actually expose users to the vulnerability?' [10:54]
asciilifeform: this, notice, is the same freebsd as was distributed with DEAD rng, for ~year [10:55]
asciilifeform: and the same one which threw out gcc in favour of crappleade, etc. [10:55]
asciilifeform: << further lelz. [10:57]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ [10:57]
asciilifeform: 'The patch included in SA-16:25 is incomplete, and may still permit heap corruption. The patch included in the document dump is more complete. Why only a partial fix?' <<< ahahahahaha [10:59]
mircea_popescu: oh btw, apparently brasil can't keep drones out of stadiums, try as it might. there's always half dozen flkoating about, and the "heads of state" muppets in attendance might as well get used to it. [11:04]
mircea_popescu: their "security" moans as it will, but ultimately... [11:04]
mircea_popescu: new normal. [11:04]
asciilifeform: next: flying vuvuzelas. [11:04]
mircea_popescu: eminent application for both technologies, yes. [11:07]
asciilifeform: incidentally, a Useful Product Idea, plug-in replacement guidance module for popular flying toys, to pick arbitrary quiet frequency spread in a reasonably broad swatch of spectrum, when remote is paired with toy, rather than the current 'legal' jammable idiocy. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: aha. [11:18]
asciilifeform: and, also incidentally, a 64GB+ sdcard weighs ~1g. so there is no reason whatsoever for the cipher not to be otp. [11:18]
mircea_popescu: quite. [11:18]
jurov: are there any engineers left capable of this? other than alf? [11:18]
asciilifeform: jurov: it's an undergrad-level project [11:19]
mircea_popescu: his question stands lol. gl finding an undergrad that's not an imbecile. [11:19]
asciilifeform: and for all i know, already done somewhere [11:19]
mircea_popescu: i'm having trouble finding phd's that aren't. [11:19]
asciilifeform: dig around. [11:19]
jurov: undergrads are content with reflashing tv dongle and listening to cops [11:20]
asciilifeform: rtlsdr ? [11:20]
jurov: yea [11:20]
asciilifeform: it's a fine thing. and if all you want is to ~receive~ in broad spectrum, it is light enough to fly. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: << doesn't this make one mildly curious ? [11:25]
asciilifeform: 'The Maiden Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno' << lel [11:25]
mircea_popescu: ikr? [11:25]
asciilifeform: wtf is 'twitch' anyway [11:26]
asciilifeform: screenshots thing ? [11:26]
mircea_popescu: a sort of youtube for obnoxiously voiced dorks to stream their voice and upper-left efigy atop game video captures. [11:26]
phf: probably a live streaming service? [11:26]
mircea_popescu: it's a postmodern genre. [11:26]
asciilifeform: speaking of 'modern', [11:27]
asciilifeform: ^ somehow i missed. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: turns out it wasn't the tv making people stupid - people were stupid to begin with, tv fit like a glove. with its demise - the cowsies moo for a replacement. so they watch others play games. [11:27]
phf: i think i watched notch livecoding a wolfenstein clone in java on twitch. it was mildly entertaining, because he was writing everything from scratch (i.e. tick locked mainloop, ray casting onto an awt canvas, etc.) [11:30]
mircea_popescu: there is some legitimate space for this, in high performance rts type of games where watching a high ranked player play is very instructive. [11:31]
mircea_popescu: then average wowhead started doing it too, mostly for the pretense, and this is what gave us the lulz of [11:31]
mircea_popescu: $google "best paladin in the werld" [11:32]
deedbot: No results. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: and then it went downhill from there. like : [11:32]
mircea_popescu: random 15 hour rts nobody cares about come next week. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: rpg* [11:32]
mircea_popescu: << best paladin! IN THE WORLD! [11:35]
phf: even in rts you want demos, rather than flat rendering [11:37]
phf: like i remember watching fps speed runs and tricks on youtube back when it started and it was wholy unsatisfying experience. you want to be able to fly around and look at trick from different directions to know what's going on. not to mention pro level duels, where half the info comes from sound, you want to be able to figure out what player B did that player A reacted to, so you have to pause, rewind, and switch to other player, to [11:43]
phf: grok things like "oh, it was armor pick up in this corridor, and let me see there's two exits, but the guy would be going for quad next, so he'll take exit 2, so naturally you want to intercept blah blah blah" [11:43]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: the problem is that in the consumer "mind", easy always beats good. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: << in other "fiat is so much better than bitcoin" drama... [11:52]
asciilifeform: << moar tabloid lulz [12:21]
asciilifeform: from same rag, a gem for BingoBoingo, 'While lurking on a prepper discussion thread on Tea Party Community, a social network marketed as a conservative alternative to Facebook, I once saw a rousing discussion about navigating the tricky business of armed combat while confined to a mobility scooter. In that particular hypothetical scenario, individuals were discussing the best ways to kill NATO peacekeeping forces. These are real peop [12:25]
asciilifeform: le, and they live in your city.' [12:25]
asciilifeform: ( , confessions of pay-per-word spamola pinoy, supposedly ) [12:25]
mircea_popescu: doh. [12:27]
asciilifeform: scooter!!1111 [12:27]
mircea_popescu: nothing quite as lulzy as the libertard waking up to the cold reality that a) nobody likes him b) everyone wants him dead and, AND, paramountly, c) his "being nice" has exactly 0 impact on a and very slight impact on b. [12:27]
asciilifeform: the 'being nice' delusion is confined to a small set of ustardz [12:28]
mircea_popescu: not so small. [12:29]
asciilifeform: generally, the courtly kabuki nonsense caste [12:29]
phf: the progression from "feel the bern" to "Hillary just so it's not trump" to "ohmygod there's trump stickers everywhere outside of my panera bread plaza :o:o:o" [12:29]
asciilifeform: (womanities phd, managerial apparatchiks, etc.) [12:29]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's like 2/3 of the country yo. [12:30]
asciilifeform: 2/3 of lowell, mass., possibly. [12:30]
asciilifeform: not of country. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: the net result of a collection of idiots whose bills are paid by govt being... the collection itself. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform black people are like 11.5%. of those, two thirds are wiggers, and the remainder just too obtuse to admit to it, wank it to "rap" and otherwise try to show up on time for work. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: most of the country. i tell ya. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : jsawk is like awk, but for json. [12:32]
asciilifeform: lolwut [12:32]
mircea_popescu: this spoon is like spoon, but for soup. [12:32]
asciilifeform: WHY [12:32]
mircea_popescu: [12:33]
mircea_popescu: that's why. [12:33]
ben_vulpes: oh oh! relatedly. jq doesn't do ints. floats only. cuz reezuns. [12:35]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there are no ints in js. [12:36]
asciilifeform: period. [12:36]
phf: i know there are all these asm.js extensions that add uint32 and such [12:37]
ben_vulpes: in json you mean? or are you talking about the jslib 'jquery'? [12:37]
asciilifeform: javascript. [12:37]
mircea_popescu: the language ben_vulpes [12:37]
phf: ben_vulpes: stock javascript doesn't have integers. [12:37]
ben_vulpes: 'jq' is this mostly-c-thinger that parses json. [12:37]
ben_vulpes: i mean hey that's pretty amusing as well, that js doesn't have ints. [12:37]
phf: ben_vulpes: json also doesn't have integers [12:38]
phf: ben_vulpes: [12:38]
ben_vulpes: everything is so gross [12:39]
ben_vulpes: "but you can just staple a bunch of digits together and make an int, right? RIGHT?" [12:39]
PeterL: why not just use strings of ints, it's the same thing, right? [12:40]
phf: ben_vulpes: well, json integer is number without fractional part, but from my reading of "standard" it's not mandatory to treat number as such. as far as numerics it has type "number", which is up to client to interpret. here on rum island we do not believe in rum [12:42]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:42]
ben_vulpes: hah! [12:45]
asciilifeform: i suppose this here is the kind of 'standard' that makes mircea_popescu reach for his pistol when he hears word 'standard'. [12:46]
mircea_popescu: fine example. [12:47]
phf: everything i need to know about javascript i learned from mochikit, which was written by a bunch of sane hackers back before "javascript library" was a thing. ~first~ thing they implemented is comparator, iterator and printer protocols (they gave up on numerics as braindead). because javascript doesn't have those. they were also the last ones who even bothered to. [12:47]
asciilifeform: << related. [12:48]
asciilifeform: 'In 1921 the management of Arthur D. Little, Inc., of Cambridge, Mass., issued a small report describing the methods employed by the firm's chemists to create "silk" from pork byproducts. The idea behind this surprising and not very practical experiment was to prove that something said to be impossible was, with sufficient effort and ingenuity, attainable. As the report notes, the old adage "you can't make a silk purse of a sow's ear [12:49]
asciilifeform: " had been used for years to discourage inventiveness and enterprise. "We prove that it was false, and we have done so. We have made a silk purse of a sow's ear."' [12:49]
asciilifeform: same folks who floated a... lead balloon. [12:49]
mircea_popescu: the lead balloon i believe. trivial fluid dynamics. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: the silk however i do not. [12:50]
* asciilifeform has not attempted replication [12:50]
mircea_popescu: fibroin is part of insect metabolism not really part of mammals. [12:51]
PeterL: it's just a protein, you could get the amino acid building blocks from pigs and synthesize it [12:52]
mircea_popescu: it's glycine-alanine polymer. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: you can make it synthetically at considerable cost but not really out of sow's ear. [12:52]
PeterL: chemically digested and separated pigs ear - debatable wether that would still be a pig ear [12:53]
asciilifeform: according to their article ( ) it was simply protein glue, pumped through extruder, and 'silk' only in appearance. [12:53]
shinohai: <<< hilarious, "we get 0% loan from you, the customers!" [12:53]
asciilifeform: shinohai: blank page [12:54]
mircea_popescu: PeterL sow-killed-and-fed-to-mulberry-tree-leaves-fed-to-silkwork silk purse from pig ear prolly dun qualify. [12:54]
shinohai: [12:54]
asciilifeform: ^ largely unreadable [12:55]
PeterL: see also most labels of materials "made from natural products" listed as a selling point [12:55]
shinohai: lemme resubmit, snapshillbot is failing me [12:55]
asciilifeform: PeterL: about as precious as a dry cleaning shop i walked by once, advertising the use of 'strictly organic solvents!' [12:56]
shinohai: fuck, here's the page [12:56]
PeterL: carbon tetrachloride is an organic solvent, they don't lie [12:57]
PeterL: I would never use an inorganic solvent like dihydrogen monoxide to clean clothes! [12:58]
mircea_popescu: water is organic innit ? [12:59]
PeterL: no carbons [12:59]
mircea_popescu: (organic = "any compound of these elements") [12:59]
mircea_popescu: oh it has to have carbon ? so co is organic h20 inorganic ? [12:59]
asciilifeform: traditionally implies a C. [12:59]
mircea_popescu: my definition was "any compound of elements from this list". [13:00]
PeterL: organic === has carbon (except carbon monoxide and dioxide are considered inorganic) [13:00]
asciilifeform: take it up with wohler, not me. [13:00]
mircea_popescu: well so then no === more like ~= [13:00]
mircea_popescu: is HCl organic ? [13:00]
PeterL: depends on your symbol table, neh? [13:00]
PeterL: HCl is inorganic, it has Cl not C [13:01]
mircea_popescu: oic how it is [13:01]
mircea_popescu: regexp-unfriendly! [13:01]
PeterL: chemistry was invented before regex [13:01]
PeterL: at least they switched to alphabetic chemical symbols instead of the weird ones they used in alchemy [13:02]
mircea_popescu: there is that... [13:02]
asciilifeform: PeterL: did they ever actually update the Official chirality rules to accomodate 6,6-chiralane ? [13:02]
asciilifeform: which, recall, has no chiral centres, yet is chiral. [13:03]
asciilifeform: broke quite a few proggies. [13:03]
mircea_popescu: im guessing the cno cycle is also organic. [13:03]
mircea_popescu: this incidentally might make the basis for an excellet sf piece. a sentient star! [13:03]
PeterL: chirality centers are just a trick of the imagination to help students, the chirality property is actually of the whole molecule (or so one of my professors tried to explain to me once) [13:03]
mircea_popescu: cno cycle playing the role of citric acid cycle in mammals. [13:04]
asciilifeform: PeterL: well yes, the non-superimposability of the thing when rotated through 4th d. on itself. [13:05]
asciilifeform: PeterL: but the traditional heuristic was that no compound can be chiral unless it has one or more chiral centres. [13:06]
asciilifeform: (C with 4 non-identical substituents.) [13:06]
asciilifeform: << the nonsense is still, apparently, taught. [13:07]
asciilifeform: as it was taught to me. [13:07]
PeterL: there are a few organometalic that are tricky because they have sort of "chiral surfaces" instead of points, there are some interesting examples out there [13:08]
PeterL: I seem to remember there are things like F-HC=C=CH-F which are chiral too [13:10]
PeterL: Might need to be F-HC=C=CH-Cl [13:10]
asciilifeform: << for n00bz [13:11]
asciilifeform: 'The central atom is an undistorted tetrahedral sp3-hybridized carbon bearing four rigorously identical homochiral substituents. [6.6]Chiralane has all the direct rotational symmetries of the regular tetrahedron, but none of its mirror symmetries or higher order improper symmetries.' [13:11]
mircea_popescu: $up sedition [14:03]
deedbot: sedition voiced for 30 minutes. [14:03]
sedition: Thanks much. Saw the channel on NoSuchlAbs and thought I would idle for a bit. [14:04]
jurov: [14:06]
jurov: "The Million-Key Question—Investigating the Origins of RSA Public Keys" [14:06]
jurov: ^ analyse distribution of primes and moduli [14:07]
mircea_popescu: sedition consider registering your pgp key with deedbot. [14:10]
asciilifeform: guess who and what isn't once mentioned, trololololol. [14:10]
asciilifeform: in that usenix paper. [14:10]
mircea_popescu: doesn't load. [14:11]
sedition: mircea_popescu: Noted. Thanks much for the info. [14:11]
mircea_popescu: < likeso. [14:11]
asciilifeform: << subj. [14:12]
mircea_popescu: no ty. [14:12]
asciilifeform: dump it to a printer, there is some lulz re obviously braindamaged rng etc. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: i can't summon the interest. "vague discussion of a topic that previously didn't exist for reasons we won't discuss by people who aren't qualified to participate" [14:14]
mircea_popescu: what happened to the fucking magic rays now. [14:14]
asciilifeform: mega-psynetic powers, reading without reading. [14:15]
asciilifeform: there is discussion of the idiot high-bits-of-prime trimming, and the like. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: eh let them fix their broken http. [14:16]
asciilifeform: there is no html version of the thing. [14:17]
asciilifeform: to begin with. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: problem solved! [14:18]
asciilifeform: i'll say that this is the first not-wholly-plagiarized paper on subj since bernstein's. [14:20]
asciilifeform: 'In the exceptional case of the Oberthur Cosmo Dual 72K cards, approximately 0.05% of the generated keys shared a specific value of prime q. The flaw was discovered in all three tested physical cards for both 512-bit and 1024-bit keys. The repeated prime value was equal to 0xC000...0077 for 512-bit RSA keys and 0xC000...00E9B for 1024-bit RSA keys. These prime values correspond to the first Blum prime generated when starting from the [14:39]
asciilifeform: value 0xC000...000 in each case.' [14:39]
asciilifeform: BUY MOAR DUMBCARDZ!1111 [14:39]
mircea_popescu: do they actually give the value so you can add it ? [14:39]
asciilifeform: looks like above quote is enough to calculate it... [14:40]
asciilifeform: though we dun have any ssl certs in phuctor, so it is unlikely to pop any time soon. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: worth doing anyway. [14:41]
asciilifeform: definitely, and in the general case. [14:41]
asciilifeform: it is the kind of crumb i've been searching for. [14:42]
asciilifeform: thing is, the kind of case described above will phuctor naturally [14:42]
asciilifeform: without knob-turning [14:43]
asciilifeform: once the 0.05% end up in the hopper. [14:43]
mircea_popescu: there's also this [14:43]
asciilifeform: diddled pgptrons that shit out dupe primes are 'yesterday's' thing. i suspect that the state of the art involves rng that still gives each chumper a unique prime pair, but it can be calculated via some kleptographic clue. [14:45]
asciilifeform: oberthur, incidentally, is a gigantic vendor of 'payment chip, etc., various mass-market heathen crypto iron. [14:55]
mircea_popescu: and they obviously work. [14:56]
asciilifeform: goes right back to the 'soooo you won't spend yer money on konsoomer crud, terrorist? we'll HELP you' [14:56]
asciilifeform: re cc fraud dynamics. [14:56]
asciilifeform: << see also. [14:58]
a111: Logged on 2014-11-07 05:25 asciilifeform: financial memory leak. [14:58]
mircea_popescu: in other news, check out the epic eff site for spanish noobs : [15:57]
asciilifeform: how is this a sadder sack than the english ver ? [15:58]
mircea_popescu: but it exists in spanish. [15:59]
asciilifeform: betcha it exists in swahili also. [16:00]
asciilifeform: one of the favourite, notice, wankages, is to Make Sure No Orc Misses The Light of Enlightenment [16:01]
asciilifeform: or however it goes. [16:01]
mircea_popescu: << quite useful on occasion. [16:03]
asciilifeform: << further floating point lulz [16:31]
asciilifeform: 'Technically, the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinates of the center spot are 39°50′N 98°35′W. In digital maps, that number is an ugly one: 39.8333333,-98.585522. So back in 2002, when MaxMind was first choosing the default point on its digital map for the center of the U.S., it decided to clean up the measurements and go with a simpler, nearby latitude and longitude: 38°N 97°W or 38.0000,-97.0000. As a result, for the la [16:32]
asciilifeform: st 14 years, every time MaxMind’s database has been queried about the location of an IP address in the United States it can’t identify, it has spit out the default location of a spot two hours away from the geographic center of the country...' [16:32]
asciilifeform: '...“countless” law enforcement officials and individuals turning up at their farm day and night looking for links to alleged theft and other supposed crime. ' [16:32]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: qntra snarfed a comment of mine containing a youtube link about a week back. just a heads up in case you're sifting through spam. [17:04]
pete_dushenski: later tell davout wd on moving to mauritius. the few ppl i've met from there speak ~the~ mostly lovely, most noble french i've yet encountered. enjoy! [17:05]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [17:05]
pete_dushenski: << pretty sure this is how tesla started : "i have a wacko idea" said elon, "we have a whackload of fake paper money" said the whether 'transit elevated bus' has a 15-year++ scam in it remains to be seen, but it looks no worse than the endless miles of surface-level light rail transit edmonton is vapidly installing atm. [17:10]
pete_dushenski: << and in other skamz. toasterdoodles! [17:17]
asciilifeform: can haz programmable branding iron for scamming derps ? [17:18]
pete_dushenski: they all carry iphones and wear chuck taylors and ray bans, how much more obvious can it be ? [17:19]
asciilifeform: i have nfi what 2 and 3 are [17:19]
shinohai: dafuq toasters? [17:20]
asciilifeform: << obligatory. [17:20]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: an iphone is this calculator/telephone combo that's about the size of a deck of cards, the others are shoes and sunglasses, respectively :P [17:20]
asciilifeform: '...he pulled out a small leather folder and said, “Our sentence does not sound severe. The law which a condemned man has violated is inscribed on his body with the harrow. This Condemned Man, for example,” and the Officer pointed to the man, “will have inscribed on his body, ‘Honour your superiors.’” The Traveler had a quick look at the man. When the Officer was pointing at him, the man kept his head down and appeared to [17:21]
asciilifeform: be directing all his energy into listening in order to learn something. But the movements of his thick pouting lips showed clearly that he was incapable of understanding anything. The Traveler wanted to raise various questions, but after looking at the Condemned Man he merely asked, “Does he know his sentence?” “No,” said the Officer. He wished to get on with his explanation right away, but the Traveler interrupted him: “H [17:21]
asciilifeform: e doesn’t know his own sentence?” “No,” said the Officer once more. He then paused for a moment, as if he was asking the Traveler for a more detailed reason for his question, and said, “It would be useless to give him that information. He experiences it on his own body.”' [17:21]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you missed the ipnoje-is-a-knife thread from a few days ago, didntcha. [17:22]
pete_dushenski: apparently [17:23]
pete_dushenski: was on holidays. not caught up on logz. [17:23]
pete_dushenski: didn't open laptop once in 6 days. barely kept up on a few emailz/sms on mobile. [17:24]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: , , [17:25]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 18:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: [17:25]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 20:43 asciilifeform: later tell ben_vulpes << lulzy, old bloated cell from pnoje [17:25]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 21:33 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for bonus gross, the entire inside of the metal cup that comprises the body of the pnoje, is razor-sharp, literally you will not notice as it opens all of your fingers at once [17:25]
phf: (i fixed the order, i'm so happy about that) [17:25]
pete_dushenski: phf: nice [17:25]
asciilifeform: phf: yes, i noticed, worx great [17:25]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: caught the later tell about the bloat, missed the blade of death part. aha. [17:26]
phf: i have a new bot ready too, but i need some stretch where i can hand hold it if it starts acting up to switch [17:26]
asciilifeform: phf: neato [17:27]
phf: i need the bot in a fully autonomous state, for the week of burning man [17:28]
phf: will probably rig up some in-wot "hard reset" c&c [17:29]
pete_dushenski: << for anyone who wants to barf on peter thiel's bible-blasted philosophasty [17:29]
asciilifeform: somebody wake up danielpbarron ... [17:29]
ben_vulpes: subject of burning man, girl got a text last night [17:30]
ben_vulpes: "hey i'll be out of town from aug 25 through sept 6, so if you want to come down south and bring the bambino i'll fly y'all in" [17:30]
ben_vulpes: visiting gramma [17:30]
pete_dushenski: later tell danielpbarron see ^^^ if you're looking for blog post fodder [17:30]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [17:30]
ben_vulpes: to which i "YES PLEASE GO" [17:30]
asciilifeform: what i'd like to know is why there is not a Freezing Man festival in, e.g., alaska. [17:30]
asciilifeform: i'd go. [17:31]
phf: asciilifeform: there is [17:31]
* ben_vulpes rummages around for gas mask, loses interest [17:31]
asciilifeform: phf: eh looks like it's in nyc ? [17:31]
mircea_popescu: lmao! I BLAME PHF FOR FREENODE OUTAGE TOMORROW. [17:31]
phf: asciilifeform: frostburn, masontown, west virginia, in february [17:32]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gotta update the mitm on webchat [17:32]
shinohai: You brought down webchat! [17:32]
asciilifeform: phf: these dun look like permafrost wastelands to me.. [17:32]
phf: mircea_popescu: that's what i thought when i saw it too [17:32]
phf: asciilifeform: it was rough. nothing a frosty crust of sleeping bag as you're trying to get into it [17:33]
phf: *nothing like [17:33]
mircea_popescu: oic, ben_vulpes is going to be posting inebriated sluts pix while wife barefoots around the deep souths ? [17:34]
pete_dushenski: << in other mad scientist dancing with bond rip-off while dancing a merry dance to a song having nothing to do with mongolians news [17:36]
pete_dushenski: ok, minus one of those 'dance's. twas too much. [17:36]
pete_dushenski: oh snap there's fresh honey from the rooftop beehive. bbs. [17:37]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: more likely tell the mistress the wife demands the entire week and spend it in the lab. [17:41]
phf: лучше всего иметь и жену, и любовницу. жене сказал, что ушёл к любовнице, любовнице-что остаёшься с женой, а сам в кремль, работать, работать, и работать! -- lenin [17:43]
asciilifeform: ^ [17:43]
ben_vulpes: mhm! [17:45]
phf: "it's best to have both wife and mistress. you tell wife, that you went to mistress, you tell mistress, that you're staying with wife, meanwhile -- to kremlin, work, work and work" [17:46]
ben_vulpes: yeah although i don't actually have a mistress [17:47]
asciilifeform: afaik neither did lenin [17:47]
phf: you only say that because your wife reads the log [17:47]
ben_vulpes: suremebbe [17:49]
pete_dushenski: lol [17:49]
ben_vulpes: dunno that i'd be willing to trade the time sink of mistressmgmt for the sweet relaxation of being brought beers and snacks on the hammock after biking home from work [17:50]
pete_dushenski: kremlin had advantage of no public log. oh rose tinted days were those. [17:50]
* ben_vulpes is pathologically lazy [17:50]
pete_dushenski: are mistresses much to manage ? (open q to tmsr~) [17:51]
ben_vulpes: nonzero [17:52]
ben_vulpes: just showing up [17:52]
ben_vulpes: plus i don't know that i have the energy to disabuse another twenty something of a lifetime of miseducation again [17:52]
pete_dushenski: so too is dog, cat, goldfish, or what have you [17:52]
pete_dushenski: there's that. the meat in na needs a hell of a lot of tenderising [17:53]
asciilifeform: dunno, asciilifeform has pet that creates ~0 work [17:53]
ben_vulpes: paying attention to pets is work [17:54]
ben_vulpes: anything that is not sleep is work [17:55]
ben_vulpes: eating, thinking [17:55]
phf: salaryman is awake only for the benefit of bossman [17:55]
phf: salaryman sleeps also for the benefit of bossman, he's restoring strength [17:55]
ben_vulpes: "machine runs on human fat" [17:56]
asciilifeform: wasn't ben_vulpes an overseer over a buncha fat engines ? [17:56]
phf: "так, так, так!" - говорит пулеметчик, "так, так, так!" - говорит пулемет. [17:56]
asciilifeform: ^. [17:56]
asciilifeform: phf: iirc mircea_popescu quoted a ro version of this. [17:57]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha [17:58]
ben_vulpes: fired everyone in a fit of pique after the pokelolz [17:58]
ben_vulpes: [17:58]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-12 03:02 ben_vulpes: needless to say, everyone's fired. [17:58]
asciilifeform: how often this happens ? [17:59]
pete_dushenski: nuts. [17:59]
ben_vulpes: well, not entirely serious pete_dushenski [17:59]
asciilifeform: well if not - why not..? [17:59]
asciilifeform: how long's it take to get a new java monkey or what were they. [17:59]
ben_vulpes: had to find convenient excuses first! [18:00]
asciilifeform: they're what, union labour ? [18:00]
asciilifeform: what excuses. [18:00]
ben_vulpes: everyone is union labor in usa [18:00]
ben_vulpes: "unemployment" [18:00]
asciilifeform: mno. [18:00]
pete_dushenski: 'short of work' [18:00]
ben_vulpes: eh, not really * monkey. more paratroopers to parachute into whatever and take arbitrary pillboxen. [18:01]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> later tell BingoBoingo can you identify this weed ? >> << Yucca, often intentionally grown as an ornamental. [18:02]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no ? [18:02]
asciilifeform: yucca dun have the fruit thing [18:02]
asciilifeform: looks nothing like it [18:03]
asciilifeform: or... [18:03]
asciilifeform: hm. [18:03]
asciilifeform: yucca filamentosa ? [18:04]
BingoBoingo: yucca makes that fruit [18:05]
BingoBoingo: Anyways roots far too deep to dig. Responds to glyphosate. Responds very quickly to glyphosate/triclophyr mix often sold as "poison ivy" killer. [18:06]
asciilifeform: is that thing any good to eat ? [18:07]
phf: ben_vulpes: did you really? :o [18:07]
ben_vulpes: phf: yeah, p. sick of services biz. [18:09]
phf: we had to get rid of entire support department for being it was highly amusing to observe the chaotic legal flailing that followed [18:09]
phf: "i want 40 days of outstanding pto" "your own calendar says you took 60 days already, so you should be paying us" "..." [18:11]
asciilifeform: l0l!! [18:11]
ben_vulpes: > because i have no shame or self-awareness! [18:11]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno, but I accidentally defeated two of the things last year with overspray from actual target weed. [18:11]
ben_vulpes: oh god [18:11]
ben_vulpes: so painfully true [18:11]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it isn't even in my yard, or on my street, but i do walk by it occasionally and think 'cucumber' [18:12]
asciilifeform: or rather, 'zombie cucumber', which i initially misidentified it as [18:12]
phf: ben_vulpes: that video is now the prism through which i see majority of millennials. our support team were literally like this, down laugh, awkwardness, and the painful "whiteness". [18:12]
asciilifeform: (datura stramonium) [18:12]
pete_dushenski: << lol. "gimme your money, punk, or you'll never see your precious a/c again!" [18:12]
pete_dushenski: thermostat ransomware is sure to be a hit everywhere other than san fran where it's 20c year-round [18:14]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ransomware on a fiddybux machine ? [18:14]
asciilifeform: that stores, what, 7 bits of user input , ever ? [18:15]
ben_vulpes: > I'll stay because i'm full of unearned confidence! [18:15]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'nest' is like $330 [18:15]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and has no reset button ? [18:16]
pete_dushenski: doubtful [18:16]
asciilifeform: lel [18:16]
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: qntra snarfed a comment of mine containing a youtube link about a week back. just a heads up in case you're sifting through spam. << Youtube disallowed, too far in the past to dig out of anywhere. Resubmit. [18:19]
phf: "no external links unless they are in mp's host file" [18:21]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: all good. couldn't have been that important. [18:21]
pete_dushenski: << as per asciilifeform's prediction [18:23]
pete_dushenski: "The iris-scanning technology, which relies on an infrared camera lens mounted on the front of the phone, can also be used to unlock a secure folder within the Android operating system. Users can store sensitive documents and apps in the directory, which remain encrypted even if the phone is unlocked. Iris-detection is fast, identifying a registered face and unlocking the device in less than a second duri [18:24]
pete_dushenski: ng a demonstration in London." [18:24]
asciilifeform: << oblig [18:24]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 00:52 asciilifeform: [18:24]
pete_dushenski: lol that. [18:24]
pete_dushenski: but for konsoomer! [18:25]
pete_dushenski: nao moar aksesabel [18:25]
pete_dushenski: buttsexable too [18:25]
ben_vulpes: phf: fired whole department? well done [18:26]
ben_vulpes: ideally you want to hang on to 2 or 3 of the meekest so they can tell the story to the next round of draftees [18:26]
ben_vulpes: "take more than a week of your PTO and they FIRE THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT!" [18:27]
phf: nah, they were all pampered, a kindness they took for weakness. next round will simply be on tighter specs-- "clock in/clock out", "this many days off", etc. [18:30]
phf: one guy was convinced we'll let him open a uk department (he's ~support~, answers tickets, but has a degree in business something or other), wouldn't let the thought go even after told no multiple times. he would schedule meetings on behalf of company with various uk foundations, etc. he had a meeting with richard branson as part of handful "young entrepreneurs", to talk about, yes, moving the company to uk. [18:33]
phf: there's some kind of massive delusion going with these people, that even video above doesn't fully do justice [18:34]
ben_vulpes: whoa that last tidbit sounds insanely familiar [18:34]
ben_vulpes: lol ofc it was in the logs [18:36]
ben_vulpes: yeah nuts these kids [18:37]
phf: possibly because i might've ranted about it before. anyway, gate gate paragate.. [18:37]
ben_vulpes: and it's hysterical that i should say "these kids" because wtf i'm younger than many of the worst specimens i've met [18:38]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> are mistresses much to manage ? (open q to tmsr~) << no. the whole point of the fucking mistress is that she's a negative management cost. she helps with the wife and if the wife's any good she helps with the mistress etc. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: phf the unending lulz of gunner being "pulemetchik" will never be explained. [18:42]
mircea_popescu: (literally, dicksfuckarounder or something) [18:42]
phf: a sort of lesser version of zeus [18:42]
mircea_popescu: check out BingoBoingo 's botanical experience! [18:43]
mircea_popescu: phf> ben_vulpes: that video is now << the logs prevail. [18:44]
ben_vulpes: how do mistress and wife mitigate each others management costs? is this one of those "well you put them in the same room and they just start eating each other out" things? [18:48]
* pete_dushenski just learned in the most untimely way possible, in the midst of an unexpected rainshower apparently on his building and his building alone, that his lexus (jay) has 'feature' whereby remote unlock button is held and all windows incl. sunroof open simultaneously. and ofc, he'd sat on the button or something jit. quelle experiment! [19:03]
BingoBoingo: <phf> "no external links unless they are in mp's host file" << Not quite, but basically no links to places spamzors like such as youtube/tumblr/etc without pretty pleasing an approval right after comment is submitted. [19:04]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes suppose woman is depressed. much more effectual for you + OTHER WOMAN to tell her a nice story [19:17]
mircea_popescu: than for you alone. [19:17]
mircea_popescu: and yes, they teach each other things if you're not fucking boring / mommy fixated, you'll end up with very different girls which makes it better. [19:18]
mircea_popescu: phf> there's some kind of massive delusion going with these people << they were never humiliated. it rots the brain. idiot literally imagines that just because he doesn't understand how the ocmpany is run, then therefore it's not run at all and there's room for him to pretend it's like washington state cca 1916 and one gets to be mayor just for showing up, population 1 town. [19:24]
mircea_popescu: "Technology means doing more with less. In the absence of technological progress, we end up with a zero-sum world, in which there must be a loser for every winner. It is not clear whether a capitalistic economic system could function without growth and it is unlikely that a representative democracy, which requires the give-and-take of win–win compromise, would continue to function." << why hate on the guy ? other than the [19:27]
mircea_popescu: ludicrous doublespeak (really bitch, it's "win-win" ?), he has it exactly right : [19:27]
mircea_popescu: the delusion of growth is coming to an end and there's going to be a loser for every winner and a ravished maiden for every satisfied gunner. [19:27]
ben_vulpes: predicted in the ksr books [19:29]
mircea_popescu: moreover, who the fuck wants "actual things". will any sane lord trade lordship for ipad ? so that what, you can click on pictures of farms ? like a chicken ? [19:33]
mircea_popescu: this "trade power for fetish of power so we can fit more shiny happy faux people on the marble" was bullshit since day one. [19:33]
mircea_popescu: there's a good reason optimism and pedophilia appear indistinguishable in the afflicted, as this inexplicable, howling madness of unfathomable profundity. [19:34]
mircea_popescu: back at the ranch, i wish to make 10 dollars in a world where the peons make one and i specifically do not wish to make a hundred in a world where the peons make ninety. to say nothing of fucking equality let alone the hollywoodian imbecilism of lottery winners. [19:35]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: (really bitch, it's "win-win" ?) << this, as it happens, it what specifically set off my bullshit alarm. i don't disagree that technology means doing more with less, nor with the place of religion in filling the materialistic voids created by modernity. [20:10]
pete_dushenski: << speaking of religion, latest taleb on the subj. [20:13]
* pete_dushenski to the four winds [20:17]
asciilifeform: << holy shit [20:25]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-10 22:33 phf: one guy was convinced we'll let him open a uk department (he's ~support~, answers tickets, but has a degree in business something or other), wouldn't let the thought go even after told no multiple times. he would schedule meetings on behalf of company with various uk foundations, etc. he had a meeting with richard branson as part of handful "young entrepreneurs", to talk about, yes, moving the company to uk. [20:25]
asciilifeform: << didn't mircea_popescu have a spiffy article about how healthy male MUST try to fill available cracks, just as water fills a barrel ? [20:29]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-10 23:24 mircea_popescu: phf> there's some kind of massive delusion going with these people << they were never humiliated. it rots the brain. idiot literally imagines that just because he doesn't understand how the ocmpany is run, then therefore it's not run at all and there's room for him to pretend it's like washington state cca 1916 and one gets to be mayor just for showing up, population 1 town. [20:29]
asciilifeform: the duty is on the afflicted's colleagues, to show him that it is not 1916 and he is no mayor [20:29]
asciilifeform: not on imbecile to somehow (how?) grasp that he is an imbecile (if he could grasp this, we would never know him as one) [20:30]
asciilifeform: he's be quietly pulling plow somewhere, etc. [20:30]
asciilifeform: << is there also a button which takes the wheels off ? thieves want KONSOOMER CONVENIENCE!11111 just as with the roof! [20:34]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-10 23:03 pete_dushenski just learned in the most untimely way possible, in the midst of an unexpected rainshower apparently on his building and his building alone, that his lexus (jay) has 'feature' whereby remote unlock button is held and all windows incl. sunroof open simultaneously. and ofc, he'd sat on the button or something jit. quelle experiment! [20:34]
ben_vulpes: shinohai: do *you* have comments working? [20:44]
shinohai: they were working for me before ben_vulpes , lemme check [20:46]
shinohai: What fun, my whole site is down [20:49]
asciilifeform: in other historic lulz, 'In May 1967, "Co$t of Living's" M24-A 20mm cannon vibrated loose causing the weapon to rotate upward and fire into the forward rotor system. The blades separated and the aircraft tumbled to the ground killing all eight crewmembers on board. Then in February 1968, "Birth Control" suffered the destiny of her sisters. "Birth Control" received some bad hits from a gun run and had to auto-rotate into dry rice padd [21:28]
asciilifeform: ies. "Easy Money" flew in and positioned herself between the enemy and "Birth Control" while rescuing the downed crewmembers.' [21:28]
asciilifeform: ( ) [21:28]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did ? [22:10]
asciilifeform: iirc! [22:10]
mircea_popescu: link if you find it. [22:12]
asciilifeform: it might be in this parallel trilema in my head. [22:13]
mircea_popescu: might be a rose by another name. i'm curious now. [22:13]
mircea_popescu: in other news [22:14]
ben_vulpes: eminem! [22:16]
mircea_popescu: oh and speaking of co-op households, [22:16]
ben_vulpes: coopertittin [22:17]
phf: $s [22:40]
a111: 0 results for "", [22:40]
phf: "With an Internet-wide scan we identified 184 HTTPS servers repeating nonces, which fully breaks the authenticity of the connections." "Furthermore we discovered over 70,000 HTTPS servers using random nonces, which puts them at risk of nonce reuse if a large amount of data is sent over the same connection." from mr. bock [22:40]
asciilifeform: pilin' on the crapolade [22:50]
asciilifeform: anything to keep folks from talking about That Which Shall Not Be Talked About. [22:51]
mircea_popescu: somehow the "184 servers were probably planted by you on the interwebs" line forgot to be mentioned in response, i assume ? [23:11]
mircea_popescu: da fuck, you can probably find 100 servers that fedex you banana peels. [23:11]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in more "truly the internet is fucking tiny and broadly irrelevant" news : largest twitch-influencer (syndicate) serves about... 1k views/day. meanwhile at hallucination farms (eg ) : "Twitch and the global economy" "Twitch Talent Agents" "David Goldberg, of New York and Hong Kong-based agency Flood Gaming said that Amazon buying Twitch made him realize there was real money to be made her [23:16]
mircea_popescu: e. He believed Flood Gaming was ideally placed to broker deals between Twitch stars and corporate brands." [23:16]
mircea_popescu: saying it makes it true to an outstanding level, not even reached by most altcoins. [23:17]
mircea_popescu: "The line was for TwitchCon merchandise. T-shirts were $22 – $25. The next day they were $150 on eBay." right, right "were". how many fucking sold ? "I CAN DO ANYTHING! I'VE NEVER BEEN PUNCHED!" [23:18]
mircea_popescu: and from same rag (different topic, same overblown style), here's a shot of barefoot princessa with her totally-not-feeling-this taller hotter friend : [23:22]
asciilifeform: wat [23:23]
mircea_popescu: eggog ? [23:23]
asciilifeform: aha! [23:23]
asciilifeform: Еггог!!1 [23:23]
mircea_popescu: "Lindsay is candid about how she makes her career choice work. It’s about grafting, and having a heavy social media presence. She runs a busy Facebook, Twitter and instagram page, and has held a Reddit AMA that received 796 comments." [23:26]
mircea_popescu: 796, you realise. almost enough to be the 3rd elected alderman in shitown stickville. [23:26]
ben_vulpes: > grafting [23:27]
ben_vulpes: actual bribery? [23:27]
mircea_popescu: by now these idiots are so infatuated with their own "SOCIAL MEDIA!!! HUGE!!!" gargle they don't even comprehend numbers. "it's a number, so it's huge, righht ?" [23:27]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suspect they meant the grift not the graft. [23:27]
mircea_popescu: kids today, not only illiterate but also deaf. [23:27]
asciilifeform: iirc we even had this grandiose 796 beat... [23:27]
mircea_popescu: yes, but we're men with jobs, jerry. and secretaries! [23:28]
mircea_popescu: "Most cosplayers are shy about revealing their exact numbers, so we sourced some from industry experts. Cosplay Photographer Don McCaskill said that a low day rate is $75 to $300 for a cosplayer." [23:29]
* ben_vulpes did not realize that griftering was a noble calling these days! [23:29]
ben_vulpes: must be horrendously out of the time. [23:30]
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck. a set is an hour and a half, and while not the multi-k figures, it still pays 4-500 ish. [23:30]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's an actual professional calling, unlike all this shit. respectable if done well. [23:30]
ben_vulpes: phf: i will kick your bot over while you're at the burn if nobody else has/will step forward [23:30]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: just like scamzoring! [23:30]
mircea_popescu: nah. [23:30]
asciilifeform: waiwat, i thought 'cosplay' was a hobby thing? [23:31]
mircea_popescu: the grift works towards a specified target. scamzoring is just low effort whaling, trying to eat the copepods that socialist state redistribution produces. [23:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so is programming. [23:31]
asciilifeform: well when pro it is called 'actor' neh? [23:31]
mircea_popescu: "And a lot of income comes from merchandise sales. McCaskill estimates that “top tier” cosplayers might make around $70-125,000 a year. Breaking this down, if a cosplayer attends 26 conventions a year and sells 100 prints (a low number) per weekend for $20, that’s $52,000 a year. Minus costs (makeup, equipment, photography shoots) that sounds pretty sweet. And this is North America. The Asian market is much larger and s [23:32]
mircea_popescu: ome of its stars – like Alodia Gosiengfiao (5 million plus facebook fans) might easily pull in a high six-figure income." << THIS. [23:32]
mircea_popescu: this is it. game over. [23:32]
mircea_popescu: the definitive statement "and this is romania - in moscow they must be having it better!" [23:32]
mircea_popescu: "tell you what, pack of cards counts 52, so call it 52 THOUSAND. and this is america." [23:33]
mircea_popescu: somehow they don't even notice this. "why aren't you in asian then ???" "oh, from ohio to la was long enough a trip for me!" [23:33]
asciilifeform: 'ameeerikka! cocacola, sometimes war!' (tm) (r) (rammstein) [23:33]
mircea_popescu: if that ever existed outside of local popular imagination, it's long gone. [23:35]
asciilifeform: it existed on vhs! [23:35]
mircea_popescu: yeah well the city of amazon alien mutant dinos also. [23:35]
asciilifeform: that mircea_popescu watched, and asciilifeform watched [23:35]
asciilifeform: aha. [23:36]
mircea_popescu: "Lindsay’s costs are mostly for costumes. Prices vary, depending on complexity. Her favorite costume, Game of Thrones Cersei Lannister cost $200 (and didn’t sell many prints). For this she used upholstery fabric at $30 a yard." << im trying to recall when it was i bought a woman an outfit for less than $200. wtf. [23:38]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is going on in this america, they dress out of an hour's work ? [23:38]
mircea_popescu: what do they do with the other 199 hours in a month [23:39]
asciilifeform: rent [23:40]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [23:40]
asciilifeform: &tax. [23:40]
mircea_popescu: [23:42]
mircea_popescu: dude... i'd pay a mn a year to just not be her. [23:43]
mircea_popescu: wtf, someone somewhere actually believes someone could conceivably want this ?! [23:43]
mircea_popescu: look at that fucking schedule! [23:43]
mircea_popescu: is she on tour or some shit ? no fucking rock band made their own costumes out of $200 to go on tour. ffs. [23:44]
asciilifeform: is this one of those chix who films whole life with webcam? [23:45]
asciilifeform: incl. bathroom, fuck room, etc ? [23:45]
asciilifeform: or what am i seeing [23:45]
mircea_popescu: i suspect she's a super-soft camho. non-nude. [23:45]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi, i'm trying to make sense of nonsense over here and it spills. [23:45]
asciilifeform: i watched many hours of ru blokes cutting metal on youtube, at least i learned sumthing [23:46]
asciilifeform: (incidentally 0 - afaik - extant footage of a chick doing it..) [23:47]
mircea_popescu: all i see so far - is that softening the grip on IP is actually more harmful to human life than keeping it tight. this entire cosplay thing exists essentially because the various "ip holders" aren't nearly as vigorous as they were in the 70s (good fucking luck doing "your own version of mickey mouse/donald duck" because "you think you look like them" and then - horror of horrors!!11!!1 - selling fucking tschotchkes) [23:47]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! for some reason i pictured them paying royalties to mpaa or the like [23:49]
mircea_popescu: i think not. [23:49]
ben_vulpes: bwahaha teh naivte really asciilifeform ? [23:49]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hey i am still half an hour into digesting this very idea, of 'pro cosplayer' [23:50]
ben_vulpes: anyways notion of IP outside of wot and outside of "i will negrate you if you rip me off" is fundamentally broken. [23:50]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about "your parents will lose the house" [23:50]
mircea_popescu: course with the current derps ... "haha they already lost it - i went to college" [23:50]
ben_vulpes: in context of fiat enforcement regime or wot? [23:50]
mircea_popescu: in context of "why there weren't a buncha derpy 20yo chicks running around dressed as minnie in 1976" [23:51]
ben_vulpes: that's so far removed from sensible contextualization to be a worthless question [23:51]
ben_vulpes: dude there was no internet [23:51]
mircea_popescu: yeah ok. [23:51]
mircea_popescu: so ? [23:51]
ben_vulpes: ergo no fandom [23:52]
ben_vulpes: well, "web" [23:52]
mircea_popescu: and your dad didn't fuck ? [23:52]
mircea_popescu: fandom pre-internet was HUGE. [23:52]
mircea_popescu: $google samantha fucking fox [23:52]
deedbot: << King Paul, Samantha Fox in classic fuck video - XVIDEOS.COM | << Full Frontal's Samantha Bee Rips Fox Hosts For Criticizing Plan To ... | << Se [23:52]
ben_vulpes: i lack the context to understand the link [23:53]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [23:53]
mircea_popescu: let's just say the internet didn't invent the fandom. it moreover killed it. [23:54]
mircea_popescu: (samantha fox was this chick posing for the sun "page 3 girl" as a 15yo, built a huge following. perhaps the last of a lengthy tradition of fetish/pin-up idols starting with... < fill in) [23:55]
ben_vulpes: point taken [23:55]
mircea_popescu: marylin monroe ? no, earlier! bettie page ? EVEN EARLIER! mata hari ? EARLIER STILL! [23:56]
mircea_popescu: they had it in revolutionary france. it's been around for a while. [23:56]
ben_vulpes: huh [23:56]
ben_vulpes: what /did/ happen. [23:56]
asciilifeform: there are still folx ready to fuck the dessicated mummy of mata hari. [23:57]
mircea_popescu: this trope is older than dirt. [23:57]
ben_vulpes: what, samantha fox enforced her ip 'rights' and the other girls didn't? [23:57]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes we're discussing two things. one is the idol, such as the girl herself, corporeal. the other's the ip, such as "princess leila". [23:57]
mircea_popescu: because of a weakening of corporate grip on ip, the two are mixing, to the detriment of everyone involved [23:58]
mircea_popescu: is the observation. [23:58]
ben_vulpes: hm [23:58]
asciilifeform: what weakening, copyrasty is stronger than ever, mass warez beheading just last week... [23:58]
ben_vulpes: no more slutty mcsluttersons then because they're all being coy while seeking fame prancing around as fiction characters? [23:59]
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