Forum logs for 07 Jan 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
billymg: excellent, that will be my next task then [00:07]
billymg: time for sleep now [00:09]
* billymg goes to bed [00:09]
mircea_popescu: nn [00:10]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1032 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo [05:21]
mircea_popescu: trinque ^ [10:17]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in world of spamatronics : https://archive.vn/PR2zr (tldr : htmlism idjicy where 'custom embedded font', apparently explains certain 'line noise'-style spams occasionally seen) [10:22]
mircea_popescu: all this retarded posturing. "threat actors", and pixelized screenshots and what the fuck. well earned negrate. [10:25]
mircea_popescu: big fucking whoop, someone made himself a non-alphabetic ordered font. [10:25]
asciilifeform: explains certain rubbish in my lint trap tho. [10:25]
mircea_popescu: it's about as novel as windows nt. [10:27]
mircea_popescu: but ok. [10:27]
* asciilifeform not expert spamatronicist, so possibly easily astonished [10:28]
mircea_popescu: in other news, i fucking loathe that interactivecorp footer. never EVER seen it on a site that didn't suck balls in the exact wikipedia style of cheap cardboard alt-reality. [10:29]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'mit phuctor'-style lulzattempts at thefts from republic, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vL8Rj/?raw=true << d00d implements keccak for z80, and naturally claims great 'invention', where , e.g., 'new meaning to retrocomputing-based perfect forward secrecy. In the contemporary concern about tampering and traps in our computing devices...' [10:31]
asciilifeform: ( per the magick formula of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 ) [10:35]
a111: Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. [10:35]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile talking of spam : http://archive.vn/oMEya ("Julia Sowells/534 Posts Julia Sowells has been a technology and security professional. For a decade of experience in technology, [...]" -- looks like your run of the mill 20something instawhore, but whatever, i'm sure she has a decade of "experience" in tabletclucking "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals ac [10:35]
mircea_popescu: ross the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] ") [10:35]
mircea_popescu: need i continue ? sure, why not : http://archive.vn/0VU5Q "Rewterz information security Company Our Story" [10:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect perl script takes pressrelease and attached $randomchix face and shannonized 'bio' , in these fishwraps [10:36]
BingoBoingo: /me pretty sure the whole "webfonts only have malicious purposes" deal has been happening since webfonts were a thing [10:37]
mircea_popescu: nooo ? [10:37]
mircea_popescu: "www" stands for "what happens if all the dogs get the idea nobody can tell they're dogs ?!?!?!" [10:39]
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy alt-fetlife, really. [10:42]
mircea_popescu: "Security Boulevard By Julia Sowells securityboulevard.com — A website getting hacked isn’t really news today it has become an almost common thing. So, what should you do if your website is hacked? How can you work on recovering things and bouncing back? Well, it’s not that difficult. Here’s a look at some easy steps that could help in the recovery process:Step 1 – Inform hosting company, do some research of your o [10:43]
mircea_popescu: wnThe first thing that you need to do is inform your hosting company or the person who is hosting your website. " [10:43]
mircea_popescu: "10 Steps to Recover from a Hacked Website By Julia Sowells techspective.net — A website getting hacked isn’t really news today it has become an almost common thing. So, what should you do if your website is hacked? How can you work on recovering things and bouncing back? Well, it’s not that difficult. Here’s a look at some easy steps that could help in the recovery process:Step 1 – Inform hosting company, do some [10:43]
mircea_popescu: research of your ownThe first thing that you need to do is inform your hosting company or the person who is hosting your website." [10:43]
asciilifeform: '99 easy recipes spammers dunwant you to know'!11 [10:43]
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/juliasowells << even twitter acct, with a typically "powerpoint"-informed montage in the background. " Julia Sowells @juliasowells Senior #Information #Security Specialist #Cybersecurity Author @Hacker_Combat | Got Tips? Contact me: juliasowells@hackercombat.com" [10:44]
mircea_popescu: #WomenInTech i'm sure. [10:44]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885323 << ~100% of heathenwww is precisely 'alt-fetlife' by mass [10:48]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 15:42 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy alt-fetlife, really. [10:48]
asciilifeform: elizas talkin' to parrys. [10:48]
mircea_popescu: "DanaBot Banking Trojan’s Journey to North America DanaBot, a nasty banking trojan is wreaking havoc now in the North American continent. First appeared in May 2018 targeting Australian corporations hackercombat.com " << check it out, age of sail. [10:48]
asciilifeform: actual human reader is quite out of his element there. it's sorta like listening to modem whine. [10:48]
mircea_popescu: no, because i could eventually whistle meaningfully @ the modem. [10:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is perhaps better whistler than i , i can only 300baud on good day.. [10:49]
mircea_popescu: i think anyone who spent any significant time with the damned "bauds" could whistle a reset so as not to stand up [10:49]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well not data, what am i. [10:50]
asciilifeform: lol [10:50]
mircea_popescu: "If you are one of those enthusiastic and adventurous entrepreneurs who are on the verge of launching your own startup, here’s an important question for you: Have you secured your startup enough so that it can resist the security threats of today? Because if you haven’t, considering the security threats which are raining down on the digital world of today, you may in for a lot of trouble. [10:50]
mircea_popescu: Therefore in this blog, let’s take a look at some of the cyber security measures every entrepreneur should take, to ensure their startup stays safe from all forms of hacking." [10:50]
* asciilifeform actually dug into subj of implementing compact 'soft' acoustic-modems on e.g. ice40, yr or so ago, for fyootoor applications [10:51]
mircea_popescu: letting the girls into the office was ~such~ a fucking dumb idea... what, precisely, is gained by having a bunch of verbose maids running about attempting to "redefine" the "space" more towards their terms and interests ? [10:51]
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says it's actual meat gurlz doin' this, rather than plain old perl, i'ma believe [10:52]
asciilifeform: but the 2 hypotheses aint distinguishable from my perch [10:52]
mircea_popescu: as it stands now, i believe this julia chick is basically douchebag. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: ie, physically extant novel cuntspawn "just tryna make it in dis biz" [10:53]
asciilifeform: rright but douchebag passed, at least initially, turing test, and these 'people' generally do not [10:53]
mircea_popescu: heck, odds are they met "at a conference" where they "being professional" to each other etc (ie, didn't fuck, notwithstanding how dimly regarded teens who don't do it are) [10:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's because your test is biased against women. [10:54]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly but i'ma not that despite many unfortunate yrs spent in the company of the degenerates populating that 'biz', never once witnessed a perpetrator describable as female [10:54]
asciilifeform: *i'ma add that [10:55]
asciilifeform: there were chix, to be sure, but doing the old-nicolecci thing, shuffling paper ~silently [10:56]
asciilifeform: i also have nfi what the 'space' might have looked like prior to 'getting redefined' -- near as i can tell, whole 'industry', from rise of microshit and up, consisted of exactly this [10:58]
asciilifeform: and i even witnessed the early-90s 'space', e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568#selection-57.0-57.368 , as a kid, and even then laughed. [10:59]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i've only seen the other side of the wall 80s, and it consisted of research labs, basically. just like any others, hence the prestige. [10:59]
asciilifeform: research folx had research-grade irons , and ~separate ecosystem. ( pdp, then suns, hp, sgi, alpha, even bolix somewhere close to money printers, etc. but that 'atlantis' sank without a trace ) [11:00]
asciilifeform: it's gone, what's left is descendants of 'computer shopper magazine' and other 80s chump-baits [11:01]
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/juliasowells/status/907929912945795072 << item starts in 13 Sep 2017 spends a while derping about "niche relevant" re-crapped crap ("First Female White House CIO on #Cybersecurity #Talent" bla bla), buncha zdnet, techradar whatever. then it's "Julia Sowells Retweeted Kevin Jones‏ @kevinjones_hc 10 Oct 2017 British @security experts are stopping two MAJOR #hackattacks every day" ("Hello this is Kevin Jo [11:04]
mircea_popescu: nes, #Malware #cybersecurity Specialist and Author at @Hacker_Combat * Real-Life News Reader" << https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958699043579871232/ntdF9E5X.jpg perfectly punchable amir taaki face) and so well... it's either his irl gf or his online fursona, whichever. [11:04]
asciilifeform: current-day lusercomp has approx as much to do with '80s research lab, as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877160 has with mircea_popescu's bmw [11:04]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 02:17 asciilifeform: amberglint: it's a http://funnypicture.zoda.ru/bd/2011/10/14/8e55f8a1cd38eb6ed761e4897058d1b7.jpg [11:04]
mircea_popescu: just because you didn't see douchebag's julia... o wait. i think you might've... [11:04]
* asciilifeform brb,teatime [11:04]
mircea_popescu: awww, you're opting out of the wonderful world of IT expert guidance and insight ?! [11:05]
mircea_popescu: i really thought we had something going here... [11:05]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> rright but douchebag passed, at least initially, turing test, and these 'people' generally do not << Lacking tits douchbag has to try to brand and personality. Having tits in the Femoocracy, girl just has to scrape and paste. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: there, intel kicks in : julia sowells, lives with mom @3036 Powell Rd, Blossvale, NY 13308, a single family home worth about 100k market / 60k on tax basis. 2 bedrooms, 1 bath, 1ksqft. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: anyway, this lulztron just won't quit. "Kriti Sarda, Recently moved to the United States Answered Jan 6, 2016 I work at Appknox and we are thought leaders in the mobile app security domain. I can unanimously agree with everyone here that cyber attacks WILL rise in 2016. Apart from that here are our predictions for the upcoming year - " (meanwhile this quora expert moved back to dfjkhgfkjhgkdjhkfj injia" [11:22]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/britain-to-ban-transactions-involving-puppies-and-kittens-through-most-channels/ << Qntra -- Britain To Ban Transactions Involving Puppies And Kittens Through Most Channels [11:44]
BingoBoingo: ^ From the place that brought the world "monkey baiting" [11:44]
mircea_popescu: this bizarro notion opf "banning". rly ? [11:45]
BingoBoingo: Well if they can "council house" Syrian refugees from Ghana... [11:46]
diana_coman: that "unanimously agree" is cherry on top [11:46]
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> that "unanimously agree" is cherry on top << Consult the traditional culture of Indo-Argentina http://trilema.com/2015/why-should-the-argentine-population-go-graze-already/#selection-31.0-45.71 [11:52]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol what didja ~think~ brit parliament did on typical weekday, when not busy fellating overseas hitler . naturally 'making rules' re the procedure for selling dogs , etc, 'regulating' what time of day 'subjects of her majesty' may take a shit, and similar [11:57]
asciilifeform: 'if the great inca wants you to have dog, he will issue you one' or how did it go. [11:58]
BingoBoingo: Still the decay Pantsuitism has wrought in 20 centuries must be documented [11:59]
BingoBoingo: Before too long dogs will prolly be "banned" in the UK because offensive to muslims [12:00]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman he can unanimously agree all by his lonesome! because prajeet, they be legion. [12:01]
asciilifeform: before long, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885108 will be the only permitted domestic animal in reich. [12:01]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 15:59 asciilifeform: https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~akerr/socrates/personal/rats.html << subj. [12:01]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, quite I read it as "tripping over oneself in desperation to signalsignalsignal agreement^n" [12:02]
mircea_popescu: well, and "success" and employment and emigration and a whole hosta things. [12:03]
mircea_popescu: still not getting any, but heck, WELL ON THE WAY TO [12:03]
asciilifeform: 'luxor centre for bizniss'(tm)(r) [12:03]
mircea_popescu: but yes, the perpetual and universal hostis generis is precisely this "wanna everything be good and why can't everyone just be friends" schmuck. [12:08]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885361 << there's by nao a lengthy gallery of these 'asking for brick'(tm) faces in the l0gz. i admit to curiosity re how come these folx so reliably have'em. [12:28]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 16:04 mircea_popescu: nes, #Malware #cybersecurity Specialist and Author at @Hacker_Combat * Real-Life News Reader" << https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958699043579871232/ntdF9E5X.jpg perfectly punchable amir taaki face) and so well... it's either his irl gf or his online fursona, whichever. [12:28]
mircea_popescu: combination of diet and schooling. [12:28]
BingoBoingo: Diet, schooling, and post Walt Disney. [12:35]
mircea_popescu: i suspect we also select for them [12:35]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno re 'select'. recall the shithub experiment ? good % of the pages had 'brickface' on'em iirc [12:40]
mircea_popescu: truly. [12:42]
BingoBoingo: !Xview 1035 [13:02]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1035: 1500 Filthy Fiats, Wired, WU, or Moneygram Opening: 400mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2019-01-09 06:04:18.169529 UTC (47 hours 59 mins) [13:02]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, also in zoology, but somewhat diff faces, witness http://www.fishcamp.com/photo_gallery.html [13:24]
asciilifeform: ( wonder, are they even alive nao? date '2009'... ) [13:24]
BingoBoingo: Everything about that building's exterior except the entrance could be here in orcistan. [13:28]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's standard 'it dun snow here' wooden shack, as i see it [13:28]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there's the narrow windows and indications the exterior walls extend above the roof creating a slow fence for the azeotea. [13:30]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/ruth-bader-ginsburg-absent-from-oral-arguments/ << Qntra -- Ruth Bader Ginsburg Absent From Oral Arguments [13:40]
mircea_popescu: hex angels ahahaha [13:46]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik, to the extent anyffin resembling engineering still happens in current usa -- it happens in places like that. four greybeards in a barn. [13:52]
asciilifeform: (i.e. no 'hr', no 'powerpoint', no 'quarterly reports', etc, just four d00dz, four 'harleys', and a coupla oscilloscopes.. ) [13:53]
asciilifeform: i admit it's how i picture the joint where ben_vulpes and trinque live [13:54]
mircea_popescu: and this afaik is based on your experience here and what else lol. [13:54]
asciilifeform: experience in a coupla, where else [13:55]
asciilifeform: not by any means authoritative. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: because the item you describe is ~not even legal~ [13:55]
mircea_popescu: in the sense of meth kitchen not legal. [13:55]
asciilifeform: it's forbidden in the sense gardening ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743774 ) is. [13:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn' [13:55]
mircea_popescu: not at all. [13:56]
mircea_popescu: it is literally forbidden in the sense cooking meth is. [13:56]
asciilifeform: well forbidden is forbidden, neh. yet there they are, subcontracting for 'lockheed' etc, for decades ( and on occasion when inca deems it's time, 'have problems', joe stack-style, but not otherwise ) [13:56]
mircea_popescu: there where ? [13:57]
mircea_popescu: office park, WITH hr & all. [13:57]
asciilifeform: in just about erry industrial district in erry ameri-town [13:57]
asciilifeform: garrett with 2-3 d00ds, no 'hr'. [13:57]
asciilifeform: they're 'unprincipled exception', in same was as in old su 'cooperatives' [13:58]
mircea_popescu: and entirely imaginary, much like anti-soviet resistence. [13:58]
asciilifeform: even 'discrimination law' applies limitedly, to'em. i suggest to rftm, it's a thing. [13:58]
mircea_popescu: stuff "we could be doing" so "it's just as good as if we did it" etc. [13:58]
mircea_popescu: just name one. [13:58]
asciilifeform: linked earlier , neh [13:58]
mircea_popescu: item expired two decades ago ?! [13:58]
mircea_popescu: this is not at all what we're discussing. [13:59]
mircea_popescu: when i discuss some random cuntlet and you propose she's inexistent, i get you concretes. when you discuss some imaginary item, you don't extend the same courtesy. [13:59]
asciilifeform: or, say, the ones where asciilifeform toiled ( also defunkt today. but not killed 'because no hr' by usg, went old-fashioned broke ) [13:59]
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you you signed "code of conduct" and promised not to "sexually harass" coworkers and filed in your tax forms and whatnot. ALL of the whatnot. [14:00]
asciilifeform: nope. [14:00]
asciilifeform: these appear when you have ~80+ (i fughet exact #, varies by state) warm bodies. [14:00]
mircea_popescu: pretense to the contrary howsoever instantiated notwithstanding. [14:00]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or income. [14:00]
mircea_popescu: so yes, i guess "went bankrupt, totally existed, i promise -- never made money never had employees" etc works in the sense of exception. [14:01]
mircea_popescu: there's a reason neither methlabs nor sane workplaces ~advertise~. "come work here, we don't do the whole usg bs". [14:02]
mircea_popescu: to cursory examination it'd be the cheapest/sweetest fruit for them, ~nothing else a prospective employer could say scores nearly as highly with prospective employees ~worth employing~. [14:03]
mircea_popescu: yet mocky is buried under the polar opposite of that -- "security clearance" bs. [14:04]
asciilifeform: note that the 'hot dog stands' aint any kinda 'workers paradise' , even tho 'no hr' [14:04]
asciilifeform: just diff sort of hell, is all. [14:04]
mircea_popescu: there's hr for hot dog stands. [14:04]
asciilifeform: aha [14:04]
mircea_popescu: they buy it with the franchise. [14:04]
asciilifeform: "security clearance" bs << asciilifeform resigned from a shithole specifically when pressed to 'take holy orders', 1 time [14:05]
mircea_popescu: again -- just because you personally never saw the face of the usg allocated mamie in charge of usg.aspect in question doesn't mean jack. she's still there, and she's still getting the same per capita. [14:05]
mircea_popescu: the quataris also don't routinely introduce the indian slaves to the qatari admin office. [14:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the small shitholes, 'mamie' comes mainly in the form of ruinous taxations ( erry d00d is taxes as 'businessman' , ~2x the usual rate ) [14:05]
mircea_popescu: in the end what i'm saying is this : what you perceive as two types (with, and without mammie) are the same type, with mammie. the without-mammie type is illegal. the perceived without-mammie type is merely a particularly cheap outft, where your position is so low you're not showed it. [14:07]
mircea_popescu: but just as there in either case. [14:07]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment, pray tell, who is the 'hr mamie' when 1 d00d runs 'owner-operator' co ? [14:07]
asciilifeform: afaik there isn't yet a thing where he gotta hire politruk to 'sexual harass' ~himself~ [14:08]
mircea_popescu: and if you do not believe, the test is spelled out in ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ : start some shit about hot-topic-du-jour, see how "your boss" suddenly isn't what he seemed. [14:08]
mircea_popescu: consider the very similar case of cattle farm : cattle may think billy bob farmer is an ok guy, and doesn't even go to town that often. [14:09]
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, should quarantine be established, the differences imagined by the cattle between billy bob and that slick asshole at the industrial farm down the streed vanish [14:09]
asciilifeform: even cattle farm comes in 'feedlot' and 'grass range' flavours, neh [14:09]
asciilifeform: both go to make prime rib, certainly [14:09]
mircea_popescu: in some places. but in the fifty contiguous shitholes, it comes in "admittedly feedlot" and "deniedly feedlot" flaours. [14:10]
mircea_popescu: in short : you ~did~ sign the damned thing whether they bothered to print one to give you to sign or not. [14:10]
asciilifeform: in the sense that all of reich is subject to whatever 'labour law' etc. ? sure [14:10]
asciilifeform: but in the sense of 'mamie on premises', from the inmate end imho it makes perceptible diff. [14:11]
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if you, joe mc speshul, employed at excellence inc to do very-important-whatever walk onto campus during their "women can think" festival and urinate on the speaker in contempt, [14:11]
mircea_popescu: the end result will not be, your excellence inc enacting ramparts and shooting any and all complainers. [14:12]
asciilifeform: noshit [14:12]
mircea_popescu: the end result will be, your being fired. exactly like any other rando nobody working accounting at walmart. [14:12]
mircea_popescu: the last time anyone tried this test was specifically http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-103.0-103.11 [14:12]
mircea_popescu: ie, returning conquering heroes. they didn't get away with putting the precious cuntlets in their tailhookers place and that was THE LAST TIME. [14:13]
asciilifeform: who fires the 1-man shop festival pisser ? [14:13]
mircea_popescu: there is no engineer so valuable in his geekery he exceeds the valuableness of the last set of jocks to win one for the ole' red, white & blue. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bank, to start with. [14:13]
asciilifeform: which bank ? [14:14]
mircea_popescu: whichever bank his last pretense to shopdom rests on, in the shape of bank accounts. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: or is this more of a "shop in the mind" sorta thing ? [14:14]
asciilifeform: is it unreasonable to hypothesize a shop that does actual biz ? of whatever kind, 'buy cheap, sell dear', parts for turbines, or whatever [14:15]
asciilifeform: rather than 'eats bank loans and pretense' [14:15]
mircea_popescu: it is unreasonable to hypothesize ~the unreasonable~. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: yes, this is how my life went in the ~other~ socialism and in the "transition" thereafter. but it is NOT the case anyone lives like this in the us. [14:16]
asciilifeform: fughet 'thinkers'. not far from my street there's a d00d who sells cement drills. has for 20+y. his shop is the size of a public toilet, and staffed by his lonesome old carcass. who fires him ? [14:16]
mircea_popescu: i understand why the notion is interesting, as i understand why the fantasy is appealing. but a fantasy it is. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform IF he ever becomes politically relevant, his bank, his landlord, etc. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: look in the history of early ustarded yahoos "starting businesses". [14:17]
asciilifeform: aite, aka 'having problems'. i thought we were discussing 'fired' in literal sense tho. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: who fired http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ ? [14:18]
mircea_popescu: who fired dooglus ? [14:18]
mircea_popescu: "one man shops" one and all. [14:18]
asciilifeform: was their own inner devils iirc [14:18]
mircea_popescu: right. so they fired themselves ? cool then! [14:18]
mircea_popescu: if i had just said "they'll fire themselves" it'd have seemed like rhetoric. [14:18]
asciilifeform: hey some folx not simply 'fire self' but eat nagant, also [14:18]
mircea_popescu: point being -- the boyish fantasy of "i'll get SO SMART they'll have to let me be" does not in practice work. [14:19]
mircea_popescu: the empire is more than willing to do without bread it is not willing to do without stupid. [14:20]
asciilifeform: it didn't work in 1500s either, luther did not by own lonesome get away with nailing shit to the church door [14:20]
asciilifeform: ('pissed on festival' is exactly imho analogous) [14:20]
mircea_popescu: yes, but back then the bois aspiring to "an independent life" had enough sense to join highway brigands [14:21]
mircea_popescu: rather than fantasizing about an island in the sea where they bla bla bla. [14:25]
asciilifeform: item contemplated upstack was no sort of 'berth of freedom from inca'. d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office, seeing no living faces other than in lift, is a thing, seen with own eyes. for the privilege he pays 2-3x tax ( and can , yes, be 'defrocked' at the whim of whatever gosplan commissions the workpieces, if rocks boat. ) however it is quite diff from life as inmate inside cube hell, subjectively. granted fro [14:25]
asciilifeform: m mircea_popescu's olympus they are indistinguishable, the way untrained human cannot distinguish 2 types of wasp necessarily, will think 'wasp' [14:25]
mircea_popescu: so what is the difference ? that sees no human face ? [14:26]
asciilifeform: as described upstack -- no direct 'mamie', no 'powerpoint', etc. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: are you proposing the general population and the solitary confinement are not in the same prison ? [14:27]
asciilifeform: in point of fact usg tends to house'em in separate prisons. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: seems to me either you're arguing "berth of freedom from inca" or you're not arguing it. which specifically is it ? [14:27]
asciilifeform: solitary prison's exactly the model. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: cuz if it's the NOT, then what the hell's the difference ? [14:27]
asciilifeform: some folx in usaschwitz do their time in solitary, some in 3-man cell, some in 'general'. [14:28]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i got a secret for you : the shy withdrawing kind almost never get the hole. [14:28]
mircea_popescu: prisons are run with a view to economy -- to get something, you must first not need it. [14:28]
asciilifeform: this is generally so, but usg is again perverse, 'terrorists' tend to get, when not hanged, 'max' (aka oubliette) [14:29]
asciilifeform: e.g. kazynski [14:29]
mircea_popescu: i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long. [14:29]
asciilifeform: what precisely is 'shy withdrawing' about spam-'conference'-circuit butterflies ? [14:30]
mircea_popescu: in that they're (as you well poined out) readily equivalent to "ai", they don't ~have to~ see a face. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: ever. [14:31]
asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved in churning out 'information for it professionals' spamola [14:31]
mircea_popescu: because you don't want to be. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: but in any case -- regrettably, there is absolutely ~no glamour~ associated with the red stapler guy. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: it's not merely that he can't "progress" in "levels" such that empire gives him an exception. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: it's that he is not AT ALL different from the morons. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: yes perl scripts issued by the original perl interpreter ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-26#1111325 ) rather than ulterior models ~prefer~ to "conference butterfly". but this personal preference does not enact a difference. [14:33]
a111: Logged on 2015-04-26 03:24 mircea_popescu: i see nobody wishes to engage the cunt problem. but yes, IT DOES RUN ON PERL. [14:33]
mircea_popescu: the "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" and " i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved" are physically and entirely the same exact thing. [14:34]
asciilifeform: from the pov of 'who does not want to believe, will not' ? [14:34]
asciilifeform: sure. [14:34]
mircea_popescu: ie, not merely "just says wasp". i am actually saying there is no way to distinguish between the two. [14:35]
mircea_popescu: in the very strict terminology of the turing test : if you get a mystery box you can't explain whether it contains type 1 moron or type 2 moron. [14:35]
asciilifeform: the wasp himself however can certainly distinguish b/w own species and other. [14:35]
mircea_popescu: chimichurri, who is a boy, went once to the lake, where a dominant duck tried to fuck him. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: distinguish nothing -- they just spray and pray. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: cunts run on perl, remember ? [14:36]
asciilifeform: do the wasps tho. iirc they're quite picky re pheronomal key. [14:36]
asciilifeform: grr where was that old link, where walrus fucks penguin to death. [14:36]
asciilifeform: iirc it was a BingoBoingo find. BingoBoingo do you remember ? [14:37]
mircea_popescu: well, this is where the wasp analogy breaks down -- because there is no way to distinguish between the speshul snowflake "engineer" and the speshul snoflake douchebag. [14:37]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: diff is that the latter goes around begging, whereas the former has some hole he drilled into fed pipe and drinks from it (while green comes out) [14:38]
asciilifeform: sorta like diff b/w mosquito and flea [14:38]
mircea_popescu: this is a difference of all the substance of "difference between car and car is that car is parked while car is moving" [14:38]
* asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask [14:39]
mircea_popescu: the begging and the drinking are states, both items switch through them. [14:39]
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is aristotelically determined not to see a diff when it dun suit him, i got nuffin [14:39]
BingoBoingo: This walrus raping a penguin and getting the gull hot? https://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gifv [14:41]
mircea_popescu: well what is the difference ?! is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-31#1883795 the point of breakdown perhaps ? [14:41]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-31 03:56 mircea_popescu: Mocky if this may help you take heart, ~everyone's employability is ~epsilon in the us. "jobs" work as alt-welfare conduits, no genuine productivity is present or contemplated. [14:41]
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo , is exactly the item [14:41]
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244625 << Unable to find the first instance. Already referenced as existing a few lines up from the link [14:42]
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 23:49 mircea_popescu: the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif [14:42]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe you're right, and the problem is i've predetermined not to see it. but then again this is a terrifyingly weak argument, because of its association with a dutch moron called søren, whose bright idea it was to propose that the reason you don't see what distinguishes his fsm from all the others is that you don't want to!!! [14:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are public fools, who spam impotently and there are other folx, whose existence, however wretched/inca-besotten, is silent . i see the latter as less loathesome. this may be an ideological diff, i have nfi. [14:43]
mircea_popescu: i honestly could as well see it, for the same money i don't see it. not like it costs me. [14:43]
asciilifeform: spamola, in the most general sense of word, i.e. 'folx who have 0 to say , but open mouth anyway' is imho the principal plague of our time. so from this pov i see diff. [14:44]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you were saying something like "lice are better than fleas, because i personally have a serious problem with jumping" it'd even be one thing, idiosyncratic but specific. what seems to me you're saying though, is "the flying mosquitoes are worse than the ones settled, because i hate flying", and then beiung surprised by the necessary and equally obvious "but alf -- trhe same ones fly and settle in turns!" [14:45]
asciilifeform: i recall in buenosaires there were mosquitoes, but somehow they could not penetrate my skin, i watched and laffed as 1 tried [14:47]
mircea_popescu: how does "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" in incadom distinguish from spammer ? [14:47]
asciilifeform: and indeed found'em to be less loathesome than the ones in washingtonistan. [14:47]
mircea_popescu: not like he's ~making something~. [14:47]
asciilifeform: i suppose oughta separate the 'which one would rather be condemned to' from 'which moar loathesome to the olympian observer' [14:48]
asciilifeform: they aint fully separate in my head, cuz i aint an olympian [14:48]
mircea_popescu: in the end this is the problem, isn't it -- you think that ~yes he is~ making something -- turbine parts. as if the parts have an existence beyond and above the incadom they're made in [14:48]
mircea_popescu: ie, you're a materialist-idealist. though with some derrogations, you don't like importing the code of these turbine makers., [14:48]
asciilifeform: aaactually what little i've touched with own hands from 'made in usa' , comes 100% from these. [14:49]
asciilifeform: granted, '80s-90s. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: so basically, that's the dispute. you believe turbine part is turbine part qua se, and i'm gonna say, "but alf... these aren't turbine parts, they're ~religious artefacts~. similarity to actual turbine parts ~coincidental~." [14:50]
asciilifeform: dunno, i have e.g. perfectly working logic analyzer here, made by one such. [14:50]
asciilifeform: ( not even speaking of bolix or other 'holy war' fodders ) [14:50]
mircea_popescu: and then the conversation flows by itself, "suppose i test one of them artefacts and it matches turbine ?" "then you have ~made~ a turbine ~out of a~ religious artefact" [14:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only rerason it is a logic analyzer is your "perfectly working" stamp. [14:51]
mircea_popescu: otherwise it'd just be rubbish. [14:51]
asciilifeform: or, say, 'commodore 64', built by ex-auschwitz inmate j. tramiel and 6 other d00dz in some barn. [14:51]
mircea_popescu: you, alf, have literally produced such a logic analyzer, out of some raw materials. exact same process as electronics factory [14:52]
mircea_popescu: just, you work with garbage, they work with pcbs [14:52]
asciilifeform: so all rubbish until breath life into it ? can say this about anyffin at all neh. [14:52]
asciilifeform: knife, fork, wrench. [14:52]
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of civilisations : dead and alive. [14:53]
mircea_popescu: the dead are distinguished from the alive in that they're broken the meaning covenant. [14:53]
asciilifeform: ( and on other end, it is literally troo of all rubbish -- if zeus could rearrange the atoms, dead racoon could be prime rib, or diamond, etc ) [14:53]
mircea_popescu: consequently, nothing of theirs can be trusted. they don't have objects in the usual sense. they have religious artefacts. [14:53]
mircea_popescu: these can be studied, but can not be used. [14:53]
asciilifeform: imho 30y+ ago they still made occasional object ( in mircea_popescu's sense ) [14:54]
mircea_popescu: until and unless human culture recoallesces into a form where i can trust their products, it will be the case we have an orc culture, where everything's suspect of poisoning. [14:54]
mircea_popescu: in any and all cases -- the maker is he whose guarantee we accept. [14:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even as late as 2005, in the subjective sense that i ~trusted~ them to. [14:55]
asciilifeform: i aint about to disagree with this formula ( it's 100% of the thrust of vtronics, say ) [14:55]
asciilifeform: ( observe why asciilifeform regularly refers to his worx as 'junkyard wars' ) [14:55]
mircea_popescu: observed. [14:56]
mircea_popescu: in the end this discussion turned out most productive. it makes obivous the distinction between the latins (very much alive) and the christians (deader than disco) : i very much expect a phrase lifted from petronius to ~work for me today~ i entirely expect any clipping of the "church fathers" to drip more poison than can be ever documented, and in no case be usable for anything. [14:59]
asciilifeform: entertainingly, even the '80s-90s' proviso aint 100% just last week i had occasion to plug in a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884363 , nominally made in some barn in usa, and it's a+++ [15:00]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 15:12 asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf ! [15:00]
asciilifeform: https://www.clearlysuperiortech.com << where it came from. [15:00]
asciilifeform: ( found via phf's link from coupla yrs ago ) [15:00]
asciilifeform: thing is built like t34, can break heads with it. [15:01]
mircea_popescu: "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business. We take pride in our level of service and the quality and consistency of our products. We cater to all organizations and individuals that want or need easy button access and a large, easy to control ball with a high degree of durability." [15:01]
mircea_popescu: sadly, novelty name rather than political declaration. but o well, better a fig than nothing at all. [15:02]
asciilifeform: in so far as the artifact itself is concerned, i suspect they aint lyin' [15:02]
mircea_popescu: i believe. [15:02]
asciilifeform: somehow that shop stays in biz. [15:02]
mircea_popescu: well, somehow. by not being too serious about that "clearly superior tech" thing. [15:02]
asciilifeform: hm what would be then 'too serious' [15:03]
asciilifeform: it's a pretty humble item. [15:03]
asciilifeform: ( with -- afaik -- no meaningful competition on quality. sorta like fg ) [15:03]
mircea_popescu: aiming to replace the entire technological stack currently in use with their own, better alternative. [15:08]
mircea_popescu: ~it's what the words say~. it's not "clearly better trackballs". [15:08]
asciilifeform: a 3-man co that makes mice?! [15:08]
asciilifeform: i'll buy the nitpick re the name tho. name 'writes cheque arse can't cash' [15:09]
asciilifeform: ougtha be 'superior balls'. [15:09]
asciilifeform: at any rate, i know literally 0 re the outfit aside from what's claimed in their www, and the fact that they made the 1st ballmouse i've touched and not wanted to throw into window [15:10]
asciilifeform: and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything. [15:11]
asciilifeform: it dun 'replace whole techno-stack', no. [15:11]
auctionbot: Sell order # 1033 has ENDED: 500 wired filthy fiats (WU) SOLD to BingoBoingo for 140mn ecu. Attn: lobbes [15:13]
asciilifeform: a working ballmouse aint a wunderwaffen, no. but also not 'meaningless religious artifact' that can be entirely dismissed out of hand, imho. [15:14]
asciilifeform: for that matter, even fg theoretically 'made in usa', by combo of asciilifeform's hands and hired pcb house [15:15]
asciilifeform: or , e.g., that little disk gadget in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 [15:16]
asciilifeform: also made fg-style (iirc even sores posted, and for ice40 no less) [15:16]
asciilifeform: or the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751813 device. plenty of items right here on my desk. [15:17]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 phf: asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb/ is that what you used for your model f? [15:17]
asciilifeform: some d00d in a cellar, makes boards, sells. [15:19]
asciilifeform: no 'hr'. [15:19]
asciilifeform: i also sadly have artifacts made 'with hr'. that'd be the junk that worx on even-numbered calendar days ( crapple etc. ) [15:20]
asciilifeform: it is not difficult in practice to tell the diff, on the day you plug it in. [15:20]
asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. ) [15:23]
asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet. [15:24]
asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would. [15:25]
asciilifeform: but i dun expect to live to see that philosopher's stone. [15:25]
asciilifeform: in re the mouseball people, there is for instance rumour that they live mainly by selling shipboard ballmice to usg, for submarines. [15:27]
asciilifeform: i can believe it. [15:27]
asciilifeform: ( trad pc mouse cannot be used on ships or aircraft, for reasons i think are clear ) [15:27]
asciilifeform: i am unequipped to pontificate whether this counts as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885478 tho. [15:30]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 19:16 mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth. [15:30]
asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth. [15:31]
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r6rks/?raw=true [15:42]
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. [15:42]
asciilifeform: ( for aficionados of earlier subj -- http://xahlee.info/kbd/itac_mouse-trak_trackball.html compares a coupla similars ) [15:55]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885607 << this is where we do not agree. "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business." aka a dork manaloning somewhere with the support of a dedicated wife does NOT constitute life much in the manner "perhaps some bacteria on mars" does not mean "extraterrestrial civilisation". [19:07]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:11 asciilifeform: and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything. [19:07]
asciilifeform: yaya only olympus is life [19:08]
mircea_popescu: the capacity for life of menalone is ~potential~. it is not actual. [19:08]
asciilifeform: and only ambrosia, food [19:08]
mircea_popescu: men alone are not actually alive they are suspected of being perhaps capable of coming alive. that's all. [19:08]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you see some problem with distinctions in general or just some of them ? [19:08]
asciilifeform: i've nfi if even equipped to comment, per the scheme, possibly never been alive [19:09]
mircea_popescu: eh. [19:10]
mircea_popescu: dude's not publishing patches for anyone to sign, and your kind if ineffectual attempts to sign them anyway don't enact patches out of a void. [19:10]
asciilifeform: i dun know how to sign a pipe wrench either [19:11]
asciilifeform: yet i dare say i've got a pretty good one here [19:11]
mircea_popescu: if the standard is low enough for stco to pass, then 1941s france contained 10mn resistence fighters : 9.9 mn of which carefully preserved a room somewhere in the house "where no german set foot", through the procedure of no german happening to want to. [19:11]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same way you signed a fg, which is the exact same fucking thing. [19:11]
asciilifeform: you may recall that the impossibility of signing a concrete, physical fg, continues to give asciilifeform headache [19:12]
mircea_popescu: imagine this wonder, "we're winning world war 2, llc", manufacturer of extremely effectual shove handles. THEY NEVER SPLINTER! [19:12]
asciilifeform: i aint invented a means to sign physical objs yet (and afaik nobody else has either) [19:12]
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand. [19:13]
mircea_popescu: "a) here's signed ideal b) here's concrete -- c) check" [19:13]
asciilifeform: i aint about to argue with a satisfied customer [19:13]
asciilifeform: but the particular problem is imho real. [19:13]
mircea_popescu: why not ? the true mark of the true engineer! :D [19:13]
mircea_popescu: remember that time corp imploded through engineers invovled telling anyone not to buy product, it sucks, they're making way better one ? [19:14]
asciilifeform: osborne [19:14]
mircea_popescu: happened plenty of times. aanyways -- what problem is real then ? [19:14]
asciilifeform: the one where once it goes in the postbox, i cannot definitely say what will come out on other end. [19:15]
mircea_popescu: notice that the collaose of white civilisation happened exactly around the forcelines of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885650 : they ~fucked up~ the publications of the ideal (through efforts very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885267 ) resulting in the collapse of the checking and thus the necessary http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ death. [19:16]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 00:13 mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand. [19:16]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 01:09 hanbot most recently ran into this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13 the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!" [19:16]
asciilifeform: relatedly, it is said that usg has an internal , proprietary pediwikia. but i've nfi what's in it, prolly a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-30#778095 [19:18]
a111: Logged on 2014-07-30 13:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov? [19:18]
mircea_popescu: nah, more like a case of -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547879 [19:21]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-23 23:22 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://www.trackingterrorism.org/search/apachesolr_search/bitcoin [19:21]
mircea_popescu: or any of a bunch of such ridiculous nonsense we mocked over the yeears. [19:21]
mircea_popescu: i recall recent example i put in, except for the specifics. obama era meanwhile defunded pile of spurious posturing. [19:21]
asciilifeform: !#s intellipedia [19:22]
a111: 0 results for "intellipedia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=intellipedia [19:22]
asciilifeform: hm. [19:22]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874521 << there it is. [19:22]
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 06:49 mircea_popescu: oh, and in other lulz http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Extremism_Project [19:22]
mircea_popescu: there's a lotta these. [19:22]
asciilifeform: nah diff item [19:22]
asciilifeform: the one on 'siprnet' etc [19:22]
mircea_popescu: yaya. we're back to the "no difference" discussion. [19:22]
asciilifeform: y'know, analogous to the 'sov real budget' [19:22]
asciilifeform: that andropov wouldn't show gorby [19:23]
mircea_popescu: nope. analoguous to "oh, this bureaucracy can't just put mp-wp on, gotta spend 5mns to pay some indian monkey $500 to wing an "in house" one overnight" [19:23]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885620 << i'm satisfied with my stance that "this is all fantasy", if nothing else then because even the clouds make "patterns worth watching" now and again, especially as a function of mood and time's certainly going the way of my stance being correct, rather than the opposite. [19:26]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:23 asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. ) [19:26]
mircea_popescu: menalone llc will spawn as it's principal product, and the spawn ain't gonna be like daddy. [19:26]
mircea_popescu: the spawn's gonna be like mommy. [19:26]
asciilifeform: they dun spawn, as such , they make $wrench for coupla decades and then the old man dies and that's it. [19:27]
asciilifeform: they're embers from fire that burned out some long time ago. [19:27]
mircea_popescu: leaving behind a coupla kids to "deal" with "the complicated legacy". you know p s hoffman ? [19:27]
mircea_popescu: fat faggot, died recently of faggotry-related health issues. he's been in so many of these... [19:28]
asciilifeform: my current impression is that most dun leave anyffin but a memory ( and sometimes a dusty warehouse ) [19:28]
mircea_popescu: they leave behind a coupla degenerate morons, http://trilema.com/2016/the-savages/ style . or i guess http://trilema.com/2013/magnolia/ l same thing really. [19:31]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827481 << older thread about 1 of these [19:31]
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 00:37 asciilifeform: there's a fab in usa where, believe or not, they still make 2um classics like cdp1802 for usg. but they dun take walkins. [19:31]
mircea_popescu: spawn, what. between tom cruise "accomplishments" and kirsten wiig accomplishments, more or less michael cera. [19:32]
asciilifeform: ( yep they have a private 2uM fab going. is why the old 'warthog' still flies, and other 'vhs'-era tech ) [19:32]
mircea_popescu: or was it michael zero. [19:32]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the warthog got withdrawn. ~for lack of that fab~. [19:32]
* asciilifeform sadly cannot build on the cinematic refs, knows only 'tom cruise -- actor?' and is all [19:33]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly, all i know re subj is 3-4 yrs old [19:33]
asciilifeform: when it was still inbiz [19:33]
mircea_popescu: i doubt it was anywhere near any biz, seeing how the warthog withdrawal happened prior. [19:34]
asciilifeform: i even managed to purchase a cdp1802 baked there, for lulz. but is all. [19:34]
mircea_popescu: died, cca 2003, like all others. [19:34]
asciilifeform: oh hey 2016 [19:36]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885621 << nor is there any need for that. what, you're going to get the suit off a dead mp and wear it on to victory ? [19:36]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:24 asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet. [19:36]
asciilifeform: 'In September 2016, it was announced that Renesas was to acquire Intersil for $3.2 billion' [19:36]
mircea_popescu: let the suit die wit hthe man socket wrenches another matter. [19:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was in re hypothetical 'what if republic worked as closed sys' [19:36]
mircea_popescu: it does work as a closed system : gotta be this intellectually tall to ride is the securest seal ever invented. [19:37]
asciilifeform: https://www.renesas.com/us/en/products/space-harsh-environment/harsh-environment/microprocessors-peripherals/device/CDP1802A.html#ordering << lol, japan still sells, i had nfi [19:39]
asciilifeform: thought it'd evaporate with the swallowing. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885622 << no, they fucking wouldn't, because they were spawned by strippers. who are still sitting around today, posturing idly in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/heres-why-you-will-end-your-days-in-a-concentration-camp/ between the carrot of http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 and the cudgel of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/ [19:39]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:25 asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885629 << last anyone's seen, they've so descended, yes. [19:43]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:31 asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth. [19:43]
mircea_popescu: even the handcuffs are now zip ties. [19:43]
mircea_popescu: and no, you can't ressurect a dead argument on the tail end of having been hammered into the ground. there's nobody alive there's no berths you can pursue this fantasy at a terrible cost anyway. [19:44]
asciilifeform: it's impossible to 'win argument' against 'tanana cant hear you', yes [19:45]
asciilifeform: a:'hey mircea_popescu , i saw kangaroo in a zoo once' m:'yer delusional , there aint no such animal, fuckin' brits lied about it' a:'looked quite like the drawing' m:'destructive fantasy, and at terrible cost, you saw mutilated donkey' a:'...' [19:47]
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to me it's how it went, but aaalrighty. [19:49]
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's the (heavily promoted, of course) fantasy of the "geek" in mainstream ustard culture, "oh, i'll be SO GOOD IN CLASS little slut rosa's defo gonna get wet for me". as cameron diaz well points out : never gonna fucking happen. [19:56]
mircea_popescu: there ~isn't~ a way to be good ~at your chosen field~ such that you're a successful chowdry in incadom. [19:56]
mircea_popescu: yes, it was an extremely popular delusion in the 90s even, which is to say "within living memory", hence "entrepreneurial culture" and all that wank. nevertheless, delusions, howsoever popular (and therefore osmotically persuasive) they may get, stay delusions. [19:57]
mircea_popescu: for as long starvation / being eaten alive by wild animals while very fucking cold is not on the table, little slut rosa has other shit to attend to outside of deliberate and constructed exclusion of the stupid poor from the workings of society, the stupid poor have no incentive to respect same. and so on. [20:00]
asciilifeform: it's what 'vhs 1980s' was shorthand for, neh, 'work on salary and afford 3 houses and boat' [20:04]
asciilifeform: went away long ago, if existed, i never saw it [20:04]
mircea_popescu: and since we're here, let's go on an archeological detour. [20:04]
mircea_popescu: the (batshit insane, in modern terminology) claim of the xtians that their fsb controls "life everlasting" was ~meaningful~ in times past, and built out of the following articulation of logic : [20:05]
mircea_popescu: as the life habits [they stole from "those pagans" the stoics] promoted longevity, it was a trivial observation (for they inclined to observe, of course) that xtians ~live longer~ than non-xtians. THIS was the substance of the entirety of the supernatural claim, for a thousand years or so, and yes, to the orc mind it makes sense that the bearded dood in the sky who makes these weirdos die 70s not 50s perhaps has more of the s [20:06]
mircea_popescu: ame in store ofr later. [20:06]
asciilifeform: the hindu did this even better iirc [20:06]
mircea_popescu: as rational inquiry divorced longevity from religiosity, the claim lost its meaning, but it is ever present in strangeola like "smoking is a sin". [20:07]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason there were three religions in the mediteranean was that specifically all three delivered this. [20:07]
asciilifeform: ( it showed up again in modern times, in the form of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883881 ) [20:07]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-02 17:39 asciilifeform: ( the gulag folx chalked it up to 'lack of vodka' for the most part tho ) [20:07]
mircea_popescu: indeed. [20:07]
mircea_popescu: hence an unbroken chain, from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735907 to http://trilema.com/2018/yes-bitch-i-would-bring-it/ [20:08]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 15:12 mircea_popescu: stipendi peccatus mors est. [20:08]
asciilifeform: of course there is also mark twain's addendum to this, 'quit drink, quit smoke, you might not live >100 but it will ~feel~ like 1000' or how did it go [20:09]
mircea_popescu: well yes. the socialist trade is always a case of "substitute vinyl siding for brick wall". [20:09]
mircea_popescu: "substitute moses for zeno" same exact deal. [20:10]
mircea_popescu: now then : all these fantasies, "i'll worship so purely i'll never die", "i'll get a paycheck so huge i won't have to go on dates anymore", "i'll be that kurchatov" rely on something specific : there's gotta be a stalin. there's no stalin of long living, nor is there a stalin of rooseveltian socialism -- the thing's built ~specifically~ (and ~purposefully~, deliberately) as a "stalinism without any stalin". [20:14]
mircea_popescu: "but mp, you own this-and-so company that got specific safe harbour /legal extemption/ whatever precisely fitting "berth" definition item from x/y/z posturer to authority". "yes, i did and i can, too. but it is a) not ever obtained through the avenue here contemplated and, importantly, MUCH more importantly, b) a dodge. it is strictly there to mask from the dangerous the fundamental state of affairs." [20:16]
asciilifeform: i actually have deeply nfi how they were (or are?) obtained, today or 40y ago [20:17]
asciilifeform: could be through marriage into nobility for all i know. [20:17]
mircea_popescu: it's how anything valuable ever is obtained : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185 [20:18]
a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums. [20:18]
asciilifeform: i suppose could be 'leave my cement factory alone or i send you yer daughter's other ear' [20:19]
asciilifeform: i've nfi. [20:19]
mircea_popescu: remember the famous tito-stalin "leave yugo alone" exhange ? keks. [20:20]
asciilifeform: aha [20:20]
asciilifeform: ( or for that matter, whether renesas co. of tokyo was able to swallow usg's intersil co. because jp sent preet his daugher's other ear, or because preet married jp princess and sits on throne there, i also have nfi ) [20:21]
mircea_popescu: can't say i've been following. [20:21]
mircea_popescu: if i had to take a blind wager, it'd be ye olde "information differential" -- jp knew and usg didn't. [20:22]
mircea_popescu: same way peter minuit bought manhattan. married no slovenly local cuntlet. [20:22]
asciilifeform: !#s principal agent [20:22]
a111: 8 results for "principal agent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=principal%20agent [20:22]
asciilifeform: i'd guess it was a case of http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-131.79-131.97 , some ameri-monkey was in a position to take the 3.2B in paper in exch for whatever crater, and did [20:23]
asciilifeform: and turned it into 100k of turkey green spendable in thailand to fuck sheep, and is doing so nao [20:23]
asciilifeform: err, possibly wrong link [20:24]
asciilifeform: moar http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-205.1-217.110 [20:24]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885715 << revisiting this lul : not long ago i saw a cop collar some monkeys on the street, and believe or not, bona fide cuffs [20:29]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 00:43 mircea_popescu: even the handcuffs are now zip ties. [20:29]
asciilifeform: possibly in flyshit, ohio -- zip ties. [20:30]
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- in ye olde su, handcuff was uncommon, outside of where it was used as an instrument of 'question of the third degree', in a form of old-school 'strappado' . ) [20:31]
mircea_popescu: maybe until the unionized cops who still know how to work a lock-and-key last, who knows. [20:34]
asciilifeform: they carry cheap imported pistol, cuffs, flashlight, and the traditional 'democratizer', and these props havent visibly changed in asciilifeform's living memory [20:37]
asciilifeform: iirc coupla yrs ago i linked to photos i took at a 'police expo' where all of this was proudly exhibited to gawking public [20:37]
asciilifeform: complete with tiny little chopper, held 1 d00d [20:38]
mircea_popescu: also the 800 lb incendiary "entry devices" ? lol. [20:38]
asciilifeform: a:'where do you put prisoner' cop:'wtf you smoking? chopper takes pictures' [20:38]
asciilifeform: them. [20:38]
mircea_popescu: golden age came and went. [20:38]
asciilifeform: it's mostly surplus gear from iraq [20:39]
asciilifeform: i dun expect it lasts 4evah [20:39]
asciilifeform: (with the possible exception of the cast-iron battering rams, dunno how those'd break) [20:39]
asciilifeform: there was a schmeisser-like thing, rusted solid, dunno why they even bothered showing it [20:39]
asciilifeform: (possibly to evoke pity ? 'we want moar grant') [20:40]
mircea_popescu: keks. [20:40]
asciilifeform: 1 item looked like old 'lahti' antitank rifle. i asked 'why'. beat cop : 'cars' [20:40]
asciilifeform: possibly the 1 interesting item in the exhibit, was approx as long as i am tall [20:41]
asciilifeform: there was also a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 -style caterpillar bot thing , with shotgun, but unremarkable [20:44]
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire one to shoot and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture [20:44]
asciilifeform: ( these are standard nao, as i understand, even in flyshit ohio ) [20:44]
asciilifeform: one might naively expect that the bot would have a belt-fed shooter of some kind, but nope -- it had double barrel '12gauge' , loaded by hand. [20:46]
asciilifeform: could say 'golden age over', but i dunthink their goldenage included shotgun bots. [20:46]
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