Forum logs for 20 Mar 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
diana_coman: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-19-mar-2019#2525942 -> both work and will work when I started, the only name I could say I won't change was my own, hence dianacoman.com in time I found a name for the blog too (took a few detours) and that's ossasepia hence ossasepia.com but I don't expect anyone to go through any trouble and have to change their links either way I suppose strictly speaking the blog is ossasepia.com so that'd be the cannonical but I'll [05:35]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 22:35 mircea_popescu: diana_coman i actually edited latest trilema to http://trilema.com/2019/lets-look-at-the-mechanism-of-decay/#selection-145.46-149.11 but i confess it's unclear which is the cannonical name. should it be dianacoman.com or ossasepia.com ? [05:35]
diana_coman: hm, the end there got clipped I meant: I'll keep both domains and have redirects in place so all links with either domain work anyway. [05:41]
spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-19#1903323 : services are back online. pl0x to poke me if anyhing's amiss. [06:01]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 09:27 spyked: notice: feedbot, spykedbot and web facing items that I'm hosting (e.g. thetarpit) will be down tomorrow, the 20th of March, cca 8AM-12PM. apologies for any inconveniences this might cause. [06:01]
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot [12:56]
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. [12:56]
asciilifeform: !A @z@[foo]@x@[x]@y@[y]@x!@z!@x!@y!QY [12:56]
pehbot: asciilifeform: EGGOG: WARNING: Short Tape: Tapespace filled to position: 38 of 300. [12:56]
asciilifeform: err 1s [12:57]
mircea_popescu: well is it an error or a warning ? [12:57]
asciilifeform: forgot to disable warnings for bot [12:57]
asciilifeform: let's fire again: [12:57]
asciilifeform: !A @z@[foo]@x@[x]@y@[y]@x!@z!@x!@y!QY [12:57]
pehbot: asciilifeform: fooxyx [12:57]
asciilifeform: there. [12:58]
mircea_popescu: this is getting delightfully elaborate. [12:58]
asciilifeform: pretty simple actually. (full detail in ch18 text) [12:58]
mircea_popescu: shall we have a brainfuck / gnarly pehcontest ? [12:58]
asciilifeform: thing is built as much as possible to discourage brainfuckism. (i.e. explicit positional tape movement is prohibited, ditto recursion) [12:59]
mircea_popescu: yeah, but that doesn't mean anything in context -- there's a "nimblest dancer" at the retirement home, also. [12:59]
asciilifeform: one of the wins from this is that whitespace addition/removal in the tape has no effect. [12:59]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo it's a decent exploration of ye olde negative space. "how would one write gnarl in peh, and how would one automate such, and so on" [13:01]
asciilifeform: @subname@body declares a sub (declaration terminated by the so it is not possible to declare a sub with no return. ) @subname! calls the sub. sub can be called only if declared previously, and may not call self. sub may not be declared inside a sub or loop (i.e. if control stack is nonempty.) [13:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: errybody is welcome to try an' 'gnarl' . [13:01]
mircea_popescu: this is a lot like saying "every knight is welcome to try and tournament". [13:01]
mircea_popescu: what, in the field ? by self ? [13:01]
asciilifeform: ideally multi-player sport. [13:02]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i considered to mandate a minimal sub name length, but decided on '1' for time being. [13:03]
asciilifeform: commentary welcome. [13:04]
mircea_popescu: i'd say 2, tbh. [13:05]
asciilifeform: i was also thinking '2' initially [13:05]
asciilifeform: to avoid confusion with regs and standard ops [13:05]
asciilifeform: seems like mircea_popescu is thinking same thing, i'ma make '2'. [13:05]
mircea_popescu: yeah [13:06]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's notion is to drive every possible nail into the heads of folx who like to 'obfuscated contest' [13:06]
mircea_popescu: sure. [13:07]
asciilifeform: sorta how i ended up starting with starvation minimum of control flow ops, and slowly added'em in after attempts to write e.g. rsa keygen w/out'em turned out quite ugly [13:09]
asciilifeform: i dun anticipate any new tape motion ops, period (besides, we're justabout outta ascii... ) [13:10]
asciilifeform: for thrd-completeness -- the final design turned out quite diff from the orig 2017 prototype. e.g. orig i was gonna have jumps [13:16]
asciilifeform: but jumps 1) turn whitespace into semantically significant ops 2) would permit x86-style 'double meanings' where you can jump into middle of a prefixed (2-char) op , and so on [13:16]
mircea_popescu: aaaha. [13:17]
asciilifeform: in the end found that they are entirely unnecessary: ch4-style { } forward skip blocks, and ch17 controlstack-powered loop mechanics, do 100% of what is constructively done normally with numeric jumps [13:18]
* mircea_popescu had this prepared in his notes, "and then he'll implement jumps, at which point dilemma : either all instructions are single byte, or else all instructions carry double meaning, from whence discussion of ambiguity in language etc". [13:18]
mircea_popescu: sidestepped. [13:18]
asciilifeform: entirely. [13:18]
asciilifeform: naturally it is impossible to make 'magic' proggy where somehow 'no one' can be confused. but can remove the obv. sharp edges that errybody seems to like cutting own limbs off, w/out much cost, turns out. [13:19]
asciilifeform: the most obvious mistake would be to 'von neumann' and to permit the tape to write to the tape, but i avoided that from beginning. [13:23]
asciilifeform: tape cannot write to self. [13:23]
asciilifeform: ( it ~can~ print a new tape, which is how one e.g. generates keys, etc ) [13:23]
mircea_popescu: instabootstrappers meet gameoflife on tape! [13:26]
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't think we've even scratched the surface of what this thing can do. [13:26]
asciilifeform: so far i focused mostly on ~removing~ 'can-dos' lol [13:27]
mircea_popescu: yes, but consider : as a counterpart of the "gnalr contest", which imo is not that bad of an idea even if it flows necessarily from the ~nature~ of the substrate, "only intellectually challenging thing to do in c++ is gnarl, much like only thing to do with mud is mess", one could also resurrect ye olde game of life (remember the mike_c project ?). construct say the tape that has the most interesting downstream (by some ~abstr [13:29]
mircea_popescu: act~ definition of interesting concrete definitions are things like "write a tape to do rsa with".) [13:29]
asciilifeform: design objective was, it oughta be able to generate any reasonable current or fyootoor publickeytron key , transform privs to pubs for publication, and operate to sign/encr/decr., with the 'tapes' being maximally human-readable , and the mechanics of the state machine per se, watertight. errything on top of this -- is bonus. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: ie, it's a major abstractive tool -- consider only how it structured "interesting" above. [13:30]
asciilifeform: ( the other design objective, perhaps less obvious, is that enables treatment of incoming ciphertexts as 'passive subjects' operated upon by 'active' privkey, i.e. it is not possible for an incoming pehgram to decide to print yer privkey to screen, or radio its bits to aether by constructed pattern of decrypts, etc ) [13:32]
asciilifeform: ^ most of the possible 'naive' designs for pehlike item, fail at this [13:33]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [13:37]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/erdogan-intensifies-anti-anzac-talking-points-by-invoking-gallipoli/ << Qntra -- Erdogan Intensifies Anti-ANZAC Talking Points By Invoking Gallipoli [13:41]
BingoBoingo: ^ Brenton Tarrant, very effective Turkish Nationalist [13:41]
mircea_popescu: lol not bad. [13:43]
asciilifeform: pretty good upgrade from 'reddit scum', just about [13:44]
asciilifeform: ( supposing whole thing not sham , i've nfi ) [13:44]
asciilifeform: ... then again maybe no upgrade, consider , in ww1 no one remembered gavrilo p., d00d quietly died of typhus iirc while europe chopped off own limbs [13:47]
mircea_popescu: australia-turkey war, top keks. [13:49]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/brexit-grexit-departugal-italeave-czechout-finish-oustria-latervia-byegium/#selection-103.162-111.212 <<< the controlling point on the matter. [13:49]
mircea_popescu: somehow, magically, i don't expect any "democratic decision factors" being hanged, or even as much as confronted (let alone admitting) their strict liability for this result. [13:50]
asciilifeform: i still dunget wainot turks in eu [13:51]
mircea_popescu: "liberal man" more and more reminiscent of debbie do anything's settlement husband in http://trilema.com/2016/vacation/ [13:51]
asciilifeform: iirc orig was 'cuz camelfuckistan will transit through it and move to sweden' but naodays that's Officially Blessed [13:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the eu can fail rather than thrive. they were "contending for the faith", see. [13:51]
asciilifeform: so wainot turks [13:51]
asciilifeform: aa [13:51]
mircea_popescu: there's this fundamental self-hatred at the basis of "decisions" the schmucky whitebois take. "i shouldn't do well". [13:52]
asciilifeform: i suspect they also hate turks cuz the latter functional/sane [13:52]
asciilifeform: non-miami-compliant orcs [13:52]
mircea_popescu: well, in any case insufficiently impressed by "indignation" and other such vat-relevant devices. [13:53]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, turkey actually is what miami aims to be. [13:53]
mircea_popescu: always was, too, roman elite went to fucking smyrna. [13:53]
asciilifeform: turks -- champs, i've nfi wai frogman picked on'em [13:53]
mircea_popescu: “Remarks have been made by the Turkish President Erdogan that I consider highly offensive to Australians, and highly reckless in this very sensitive environment,” Mr Morrison said. [13:55]
BingoBoingo: Probably because civilized. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: keks of all time. HIGHLY reckless, you see. [13:55]
* asciilifeform found entertaining rumour, that usg has hurriedly moved nuke warehouse from turks to ro [13:55]
mircea_popescu: not to mention HIGHLY!!!! iiiiiiinappropriate. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: the wooden tongue of these tards. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tis fact. [13:55]
* asciilifeform buys. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: cost plenty of dough, too. [13:56]
asciilifeform: aha, when they move it is like when old sultan moved [13:56]
asciilifeform: 9000 bodies around erry cart [13:57]
BingoBoingo: Then there's the whole S-400 versus Patriot Missile air defense decision the USG forced on Turkey and is still trying to do take backsies on. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633625 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902800 very much related, by the way. [13:57]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 00:56 mircea_popescu: in other oh wows, elena udrea (ro slut politician, quite successful. http://trilema.com/2009/super-terrific-caption-hour-part-i/ ) got convicted for nothing in particular (her party no longer in power), 5 years. [13:57]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:50 mircea_popescu: https://www.diarioextra.com/Noticia/detalle/378184/anulan-sentencia-de-exministra-rumana << incidentally, she walks. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: "conviction" of public person / functionary / official in orclands 100% "usg.blue interference" by now. [13:57]
BingoBoingo: And Turkey being supplier of certain F-35 part for euro markets [13:57]
mircea_popescu: the problem being, of course, usg.blue then gets caught with pants down regularly, and well, such lulz ensue. "you want us to help you save your nukes now ? suck on this cock, dorks." [13:59]
BingoBoingo: The USG defense industry marketers have been getting right fucked by the Turks since they decided Turkey was good enough to make new things, but not buy old things [13:59]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: primary occupation of 'blue' seems historically to be -- to help 'red' stuff its cock in blender [14:00]
mircea_popescu: the warnings to any orcs thinking of following usg.blue's nonsense do pile on : they'll leave you high and dry, yo! wake up an' smell the coffee. [14:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform red is a myth. [14:01]
asciilifeform: nuke house & related ceremonials , ministered to by 'red' [14:01]
mircea_popescu: nope. [14:01]
BingoBoingo: And the Syria situation where NATO member Turkey's allies do not overlap with NATO member USG's allies [14:01]
BingoBoingo: Last of Red died in Green color revolution [14:01]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nato's practically dead, as a political structure. [14:02]
BingoBoingo: Survivors shot taming Trump [14:02]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: historically existed tho, the folx who set up e.g iraq, by idjit pseudo-diplomacy, were not the one who then sent to die in desert. [14:02]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo nato's practically dead, as a political structure. << But Brasil wants in now!!! [14:02]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's a tenous argument that such a thing as "red" even during vietnam era. which is you know, half century wtf. [14:02]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "sent to die" gimme a break, whole premise of iraq was "nobody dies, nobody even walks the ground. we all sit in mcdonalds and do munch" [14:02]
asciilifeform: premise yes, reality iirc slightly diff [14:03]
mircea_popescu: very slightly. [14:03]
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone recall where that trilema article is, which literally says, "if you believe what usg lies to you, you'll end up in impossible committments which they WILL NOT help you pay for. they'll just withdraw leaving you hanging." ? [14:03]
asciilifeform: i find the 'coloured' model useful, it describes the -- quite diff -- sets of folx , one which grifts on 'orange revolution' management, other -- lives to churn inventory for lockheed et al [14:04]
mircea_popescu: "when dealing with usg, make sure you get 100% payment upfront" was http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ but iirc i had a different one. [14:04]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a distinction without a difference. [14:04]
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2016/asscience/ ??? [14:05]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, this is the "manalone dies like he deserves to die, and like all will die" [14:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've had the misfortune to meet both types , they're distinguishable even from across street , as if fantasy characters , dwarf, elf [14:06]
mircea_popescu: item i have in mind was quite pointedly at functionaries, "judges", assorted sops. [14:06]
asciilifeform: 'militaristic' meathead quite diff even visually from the 'demoocracy spreader' [14:06]
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-july-august-and-september-1716-part-ix/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of July, August and September, 1716. - Part IX. [14:06]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the last time that distinction might've translated a meaningful difference was literally at the ONSET of vietnam war, opposing a very rudimentary "act from causes vs act for effects" dilemma. [14:06]
mircea_popescu: but i mean at the ~onset~. by the time nixon was involved no such thing as meaningful red spoke publicly. [14:07]
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ [14:07]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, that's for zeks imagining themselves "inside the system". [14:07]
mircea_popescu: this was for orcs contemplating saying "yes" to the questions that may only be answered with the orlov niet. [14:08]
asciilifeform: possibly i'm thick, but afaik 'blue' / 'red' as diff as can be -- even murder weapon of choice diff, 'red' with rocket strike , 'blue' prefers 'democratic crowd with raised awareness' (or if fails, poison) [14:10]
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "difference between blue elephant and red elephant is tusk vs trunk". [14:10]
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no difference, pantsuited hilarity's hilarious claim to manhood was "being in the situation room" [14:10]
asciilifeform: imho moar like elefant vs walrus [14:11]
asciilifeform: yes , both heavy, and tusks.. [14:11]
mircea_popescu: absolutely not. [14:11]
asciilifeform: they even use entirely diff ethnics -- 'red' ~100% from BingoBoingo's 'flyover states' , 'blue' -- new england [14:12]
mircea_popescu: clinton was from alabama. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: obama was from chicago. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: you got nothing. [14:13]
BingoBoingo: USG.Red is a subdivision of USG.Blue that exists in the hallucinations of its members, that there is/was a great relevant to them and they can have have it again. [14:15]
* asciilifeform admittedly not current on subj. for all i know, both ends nao ~100% 'preet' from bombay. [14:15]
asciilifeform: decade ago tho, when actually had to suffer sitting in room with both chiralities, found it quite impossible to confuse 1 for other, even blindfolded [14:16]
BingoBoingo: USG.Red probably exists in the way this guy is a wizard https://preview.redd.it/7gmxlr1ukan21.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=85e516926dda1e02f94efc406ff61f77801ed3f9 [14:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am happy with his timeline : item that was last seen alive cca 1955, was finally buried with clinton's putsch in 90s. [14:18]
mircea_popescu: one could be excused from believing corpse "is merely sleeping", but not past burial. [14:18]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf is that [14:18]
mircea_popescu: and at the time of burial, it becomes evident corpse was older than the very instant of coffin lowering. [14:18]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usgstan is fulla critters that by all rights 'dead' but somehow not got memo, still move.. [14:19]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Local wizard fucking with traffic at the intersection of General Artigas y General Rivera [14:19]
mircea_popescu: not the case here. [14:19]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: srsly, dontcha think you could distinguish e.g. grunt with 3 iraq tours, from usg.'state' jockey 'advisor in syria', even if both stripped and tied to posts ? [14:21]
asciilifeform: they aint even shaped same. [14:22]
mircea_popescu: nope. the grunt no longer exists, and ~hasn't~, other than in pretense, since vietnam. [14:22]
asciilifeform: iirc there was even a recent mircea_popescu piece on subj ! one with 'fox' and 'bull' [14:22]
mircea_popescu: i can also distinguish skateboarders such as curt cobain was a kiddy amongst, from retarded ben stiller carrying around a skateboard while dressed in a lumberjack costume. [14:23]
mircea_popescu: link ? [14:23]
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna tell me about "biker gangs", wtf. [14:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was piece from last 6wks iirc. ( no working search for trilema, so cannot find in O(1) , tried ) [14:26]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1900039 << is this your grunt ? [14:26]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 22:36 asciilifeform at one time did work that put'im in contact with these folx. met a d00d who, convincingly, described playing 'call of duty: iraq' on... lappy, in actual iraq [14:26]
asciilifeform: that one -- was genuine grunt. proper agricultural face an' all. [14:26]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nope. the grunt no longer exists, and ~hasn't~, other than in pretense, since vietnam. << Pretty fair assessment. All I've know drank themselves into various sorts of bondage. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: think for a second : the "grunt" is mental ghost, from before phone age. can you picture one with smartphone anymore than you can picture juliet capuled with double dong ? [14:27]
asciilifeform: i dun think he even ever used a comp aside from that occasion. [14:27]
mircea_popescu: capulet* [14:27]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform riiight, cuz that's how it works. "other than that one gangbang she told me about, i married a virgin" [14:27]
mircea_popescu: what is this, an ode to memory hole effect ? [14:28]
asciilifeform: i suppose from the pov where errybody since ww1 is a rag doll, then yes no grunt to be had [14:28]
mircea_popescu: vietnam. onset. [14:28]
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2017/again-with-the-money-laundering-bullshit/ ??? [14:33]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, actually i think this is it! [14:35]
mircea_popescu: tyvm! [14:35]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/uranium-convoy-fired-on-in-brazil/ << Qntra -- Uranium Convoy Fired On In Brazil [16:12]
diana_coman: hanbot, mircea_popescu or any other mpwp expert: how do I allow html tags in comments for non-logged in users? [16:26]
diana_coman: I looked and apparently I have the allowed_html array fine in kses.php [16:27]
diana_coman: but it doesn't seem to care about it so something else supersedes it? [16:27]
diana_coman: I couldn't find any specific hook added and my theme doesn't seem to be to blame for this either as I tried with out-of-box theme and it was same behaviour [16:27]
diana_coman: rather: allowedtags var in kses.php which I understand is used by default filters [16:30]
hanbot: diana_coman: re behavior, does it fuck up the tag or send the comment to modqueue? [16:42]
diana_coman: hanbot: apparently...both! i.e. comments gets sent to modqueue but tag is gone too. [16:44]
diana_coman: my setting is modqueue for >= 1 link [16:44]
hanbot: hrm. and on same setting page, "comment author must have a previously approved comment"? [16:45]
diana_coman: yes, that is checked [16:46]
hanbot: bizarre. i'll look into it, possibly mircea_popescu knows the culprit by sight tho'. [16:48]
diana_coman: given this behaviour I suspect some sort of strip/filter at some intermediate step but I don't know wp that well [16:49]
diana_coman: hanbot: hm, actually I was wrong: comment from previously approved user makes it directly, no modqueue. [16:58]
diana_coman: so tags are just removed and that's that [16:59]
diana_coman: does that suggest anything to try? [16:59]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is there a filters hook thing ? [17:36]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what/where should I look exactly? my dig into this yielded a sort of 1001 possible filters to add but I could not find one other than default afaik [17:37]
mircea_popescu: lessee here, 1sec [17:37]
mircea_popescu: in /home/trilema/public_html/wp-comments-post.php ln 41 : [17:42]
mircea_popescu: $comment_content = ( isset($_POST['comment']) ) ? trim(strip_tags($_POST['comment'],"<a><em><strong><i><b><blockquote><ul><ol><li>")) : null [17:42]
mircea_popescu: ? [17:42]
diana_coman: that one is there, I saw it earlier [17:42]
mircea_popescu: like that, including zee blockquote, yes ? [17:43]
diana_coman: yes [17:43]
diana_coman: lemme look at it again just in case [17:43]
mircea_popescu: aite, lessee here. [17:43]
diana_coman: confirmed, it's in there: comment_content = ( isset($_POST['comment']) ) ? trim(strip_tags($_POST['comment'],"<a><em><strong><i><b><blockquote><ul><ol><li>")) : null [17:45]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman in kses.php is defined twice, at lines 300 and 61 ? [17:47]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: yes, once in allowedposttags and once in allowedtags [17:48]
mircea_popescu: in formatting.php, is in on the list of $allblocks ? [17:49]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: yes: $allblocks = '(?:table|thead|tfoot|caption|colgroup|tbody|tr|td|th|div|dl|dd|dt|ul|ol|li|pre|select|form|map|area|blockquote|address|math|style|input|p|h[1-6]|hr)' [17:50]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this is truly all i head. are you using a mp-wp or own roll ? [18:00]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I installed it from hanbot's genesis I added my old footnote's plugin and changed in the theme to show the recent comments, that's about it. [18:01]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how the fuck is this possible then. [18:02]
diana_coman: and today I dug up chasing this thing but so far I have only better understanding of wp to show for it [18:02]
diana_coman: so I'll have to sink in more time and find out, sigh [18:02]
diana_coman: fwiw if I'm logged in, it keeps the tags in comments and I saw that yes, it has that current_user can html sort of thing but that is ALL html [18:03]
mircea_popescu: yeah, the admin can post w/e the hell he wants. [18:03]
diana_coman: other than that I grepped around and could not find additional hooks set, nor additional calls to strip nor anything useful really [18:04]
* diana_coman adds it to the list to unfuck and probably post, ugh. [18:04]
diana_coman: also: I tried adding specifically to that array, another tag but it clearly just ignores/bypasses it somewhere not even sure how to figure out *where* (i.e. when) [18:05]
mircea_popescu: i don't currently know wtf to tell you. there's these two points, whereby $allowedtags hold the allowed tags and then that content filter removes some from comments at time of posting. [18:07]
mircea_popescu: can you dump the actual content of $allowedtags while the thing is running ? is it getting blanked somewhere downstream ? [18:08]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I did uncomment the "you can use these html tags" which calls allowed_tags and that showed precisely what is in allowedtags as far as I could tell [18:09]
mircea_popescu: yeah. and it was there ? [18:09]
diana_coman: yes [18:09]
diana_coman: 1 min [18:09]
diana_coman: it's live and it shows: XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <pre> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong> [18:10]
diana_coman: the only thing to do next that I can think of is to try and trace wtf happens, step by step but I don't even have a clear idea on that. [18:11]
mircea_popescu: yup they get stripped. wtf. [18:15]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i have nfi what to tell you. [18:15]
diana_coman: thanks for trying anyway. [18:15]
mircea_popescu: other than, let either hanbot or billymg get to the bottom of this. [18:15]
diana_coman: hanbot seems to have them working on her blog and so does nicoleci where I think it's barebasic install so as close to genesis as possible [18:16]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman factually, it works on mine, and on all other mp-wp installs ~but yours~. [18:17]
hanbot: i wish i knew what the shit. what really throws me is same behavior cross-theme, as i thought this stuff was theme-handled. i'ma keep digging. [18:17]
diana_coman: so I guess the first thing is if anyone else can replicate it or it's something specific to my setup somehow - in which case,it's entirely mine to find... [18:17]
diana_coman: hanbot: maybe I messed up at some point all themes I'll press the genesis again and unpack a clean theme from there and see if that sorts it [18:18]
diana_coman: at least it gives something to start with [18:18]
mircea_popescu: how long ago was this install ? i mean, mp-wp hasn't been around long enough for you to have changed something by hand ~and forgot~, is it ? [18:18]
hanbot: diana_coman, there's at least one instance of this happening on my blog (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729169), but i dun recall doing anything to "fix" it, unhelpfully. maybe it's actually 100% broken and i just don't get link comments? lessee. [18:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 04:35 mircea_popescu: hanbot your bot ate my links. anyway, here : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498460 [18:19]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: initially I tried to simply drop in my own theme but that did not play nicely with mpwp and for a (very short) time I stayed with the basic but it was so annoying that I quickly whipped up something. [18:20]
mircea_popescu: hanbot confirmed. http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iv/comment-page-1/#comment-55201 was "No it <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-20#1903776>didn't</a>." [18:21]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-20 22:19 hanbot: diana_coman, there's at least one instance of this happening on my blog (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729169), but i dun recall doing anything to "fix" it, unhelpfully. maybe it's actually 100% broken and i just don't get link comments? lessee. [18:21]
mircea_popescu: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-july-august-and-september-1716-part-ix/comment-page-1/#comment-101 << same here. [18:21]
mircea_popescu: mp-wp is actually broken [18:21]
mircea_popescu: iiincredibru enough. [18:22]
hanbot: well better that than untraceable sidecase. sorry this wasn't caught sooner. [18:22]
diana_coman: I do have this talent of stepping on such things [18:23]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile both http://qntra.net/2019/03/uranium-convoy-fired-on-in-brazil/#comment-126190 and http://bingology.net/2019/03/14/more-future-sight-in-the-southern-cone/comment-page-1/#comment-689 handle it correctly [18:23]
mircea_popescu: and evidently moderation's not involved : qntra doesn't and bingology does, but same result. [18:23]
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: what did you do to get your mpwp to NOT strip html tags from comments? [18:24]
mircea_popescu: word. [18:24]
diana_coman: ahaha, meanwhile fun with testing: one CAN get a link but inside <pre> as per http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/15/eucrypt-chapter-16-bytestream-inputoutput-keccak/comment-page-1/#comment-5076 [18:26]
diana_coman: either it doesn't strip 2 levels or it doesn't strip specifically inside pre [18:26]
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'll have to dig. Qntra's not on mp-wp yet. [18:26]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is "wp_strip_all_tags()" called at any point ? [18:36]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no a grep returned nothing at all (-ir from top dir of wp install) [18:37]
mircea_popescu: is $allowedtags ever unset() (presumably downstream from where it prints the contents above forum box) ? [18:37]
diana_coman: not that I can tell at a quick grep [18:40]
mircea_popescu: hm. [18:42]
mircea_popescu: well, im out of straws to clutch at [18:42]
hanbot: in wp-comments-post.php line 42 i see a list of content tags including b, blockquote, em, etc, but not a href but eh looks like e.g. b is stripped too. [19:07]
hanbot: comment content tags, i mean. [19:07]
hanbot: eh nvm already covered above. [19:09]
* diana_coman will go and get some sleep [19:10]
BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8WfnB/?raw=true << The comments.php file contents on Bingology [19:18]
asciilifeform: !!up peh [19:42]
deedbot: peh voiced for 30 minutes. [19:42]
asciilifeform: !A '@foo@[sumthing seekrit] LC @uses_seekrit@[in blah :]@foo! RC @uses_seekrit! QY [19:42]
asciilifeform: grr [19:43]
asciilifeform: !A @foo@[sumthing seekrit] LC @uses_seekrit@[in blah :]@foo! RC @uses_seekrit! QY [19:43]
asciilifeform: loox like i killed the lisp bot , brb [19:43]
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot [19:45]
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. [19:45]
asciilifeform: !A @foo@[sumthing seekrit] LC @uses_seekrit@[in blah :]@foo! RC @uses_seekrit! QY [19:45]
pehbot: asciilifeform: in blah :sumthing seekrit [19:45]
asciilifeform: !A @foo@[sumthing seekrit] LC @uses_seekrit@[in blah :]@foo! RC @foo! QY [19:45]
pehbot: asciilifeform: EGGOG: FATAL: Tick: 68 IP: 68 Symbol: '!' : Attempted movement to IP: 6 violates the Cutout! [19:45]
asciilifeform: there we go. [19:46]
asciilifeform: ^ exercise for readers: what's this. [19:46]
asciilifeform: ( hint: it's 1 of the mechanisms behind http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-20#1903598 . ) [19:49]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-20 17:32 asciilifeform: ( the other design objective, perhaps less obvious, is that enables treatment of incoming ciphertexts as 'passive subjects' operated upon by 'active' privkey, i.e. it is not possible for an incoming pehgram to decide to print yer privkey to screen, or radio its bits to aether by constructed pattern of decrypts, etc ) [19:49]
* asciilifeform sadly has nuffin to add to the php debug thrd, finds php a voodoo art [19:58]
* asciilifeform bbl:meat [20:00]
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