Forum logs for 16 Dec 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: that looks 2001-terrible [00:30]
mircea_popescu: "Bulletin Board As you may have discovered, our bulletin board has recently been overrun by garbage posts, contributing in part to the crash of the Mirai forum. " [00:31]
mircea_popescu: " As a result, we have decided to turn off the bulletin board while we search for a better product (hopefully one that will allow us to migrate our previous content). Just to let everyone know, we have been working quite busily over the past couple months, and will make announcements of any new product availability as soon as it/they become(s) available! " [00:31]
mircea_popescu: epic. [00:31]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-16-dec-2018#2504768 << mid-'80s item [00:53]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 05:30 mircea_popescu: that looks 2001-terrible [00:53]
asciilifeform: ( baked on 36xx-series bolixen, will add, where 4m was serious mem.. ) [00:54]
amberglint: Hello everyone [05:20]
lobbesbot: amberglint: Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, and 7 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> your last line ties into the real estate thread. Easier to buy things than make things or have them made [05:20]
amberglint: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881090 << not cppized, ported to Allegro Common Lisp actually [05:21]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 04:44 asciilifeform: ( phunphakt to tie this into prev thread -- seems as if the bolix 3d engine, 1 of the 1st to be sold as such, still exists as commercial product, owned by some jp firm. naturally cppized and renamed. ) [05:21]
amberglint: I have a copy if you are interested in it [05:22]
amberglint: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881097 << the most-well known item is the Lord of the Rings movie [05:22]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 04:59 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE << the most well-known item produced with subj, afaik [05:22]
amberglint: Gollum was modeled and animated in Mirai [05:23]
amberglint: the product was renamed twice, first to N-World, then to Mirai [05:26]
amberglint: N-World was relatively popular among 90s game developers, used in the development of Super Mario 64 and Final Fantasy VII which are probably the most popular console games of their time [05:28]
amberglint: it's still mentioned on Allegro CL's site: https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/animation_graphics/nichimen.lhtml [05:31]
mircea_popescu: cool. [06:32]
BingoBoingo: The afterlife is a helluva thing [10:30]
BingoBoingo: a vecwes [10:30]
BingoBoingo: a veces [10:30]
asciilifeform: !Q later tell amberglint http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881109 << if you found the src, might be interesting , otherwise not imho esp. useful [11:32]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 10:22 amberglint: I have a copy if you are interested in it [11:32]
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [11:32]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881112 << interesting, and esp. from the pov where the bolixiana hoarders quite resemble him... [11:34]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 10:23 amberglint: Gollum was modeled and animated in Mirai [11:34]
asciilifeform: '...my precious!'(tm)(r) [11:35]
phf: also https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/animation_graphics/izware.lhtml [12:57]
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 14A: Barretts Modular Reduction. (Part 1 of 2) [13:24]
* asciilifeform bbl,meat [13:30]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/post-malone/ << Trilema -- Post Malone [13:48]
mircea_popescu: !Q later tell juliankunkel would you kindly spare us the join/part spamming ? can read the weblogs just fine, no need to be connected with nothing to say. [14:14]
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on the internet, among which i read to pass the time waiting for the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether, there's 0 interest in supporting that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism. [14:15]
diana_coman: I suppose log etiquette is not obvious [14:15]
mircea_popescu: i doubt the problem's etiquette. seems to me much deeper issue than that, civillian pantsuit expects anything can be taken in "at his own rate" because his personal golden veal promised him there will never be such a thing as the calling in this world. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: "nothing can ever be truly interesting" or w/e formulation. [14:18]
diana_coman: hm, I don't yet see it that way but it'll become clear one way or another quite quickly [14:19]
* mircea_popescu defers, i see it from afar. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: apparently it's called the golden calf, in english. pity, seems a wasted opportunity. [14:21]
diana_coman: ah, I was scratching head re golden veal, lol that'd be the steak basically [14:25]
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/ << Ossasepia -- A Week in TMSR: 3-9 December 2018 [15:10]
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/#selection-211.1-211.257 << maybe a bit of an overstatement. eg, turning off the checks will improve it still. [15:32]
diana_coman: right, no ways to improve the algorithms rather [15:35]
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/#selection-263.110-263.118 << salve is the other one, from salus ("health", really though more like "indemnity"). cons rom reg phyrrh ~salutem~. [15:35]
mircea_popescu: there's two basic salutations, anthropo-objectively speaking : "i'm with you" and "may you be ok". [15:35]
diana_coman: ftr the whole thing took a bit less than 3 hours including some re-reading of stuff just-because [15:36]
diana_coman: this is not to say that any week would take the same, as I don't expect it would [15:37]
mircea_popescu: imo it's pretty good! [15:37]
mircea_popescu: and nicole is not in the slightest jealous at all. [15:37]
diana_coman: I thought she was anyway moving on to doing the ocr thing? [15:38]
diana_coman: anyway, this is mainly because of this repeated "oh, this was around for ages uhm, no, actually since ~2 months ago" [15:39]
diana_coman: ah, ah, re time well, it's the 3 hours after ..how many years [15:40]
mircea_popescu: :p [15:41]
mircea_popescu: "five dollars -- knob five grand -- the time it took to learn which" [15:42]
mircea_popescu: but yes, pretty good both as to time taken and as to content produced! [15:42]
diana_coman: the knob+time is always and forever as it was [15:44]
diana_coman: and thank you for all the feedback! [15:44]
diana_coman: corrections added with links in a comment too [15:44]
mircea_popescu: "The article is short, its embedded references are a den of rabbit holes. " << this last one has, (i counted), 22 links. half of which (exactly) are linked to-reference inside, and most of the reference indices are three digits. one's 4 digits (2781!). the average is 427 (exactly!) and considering that thing counts objects... [15:47]
mircea_popescu: i'd say my articles are getting better, or rather that it seems to me there was a quality jump sometime this year. but this is to me, from outside i suspect the complexity just exploded (again). [15:48]
* diana_coman hasn't yet read the Post Malone thing [15:49]
diana_coman: but re articles on trilema in general I'd say that they certainly build a LOT on pre-existing stuff so yes, on one hand better and on the other hand more complex [15:50]
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the db issue, because yes i've been mulling it though, it is ~probably~ an unresolvable conundrum. things like trilema laughing at http://trilema.com/2014/mircea-popescu-is-an-asshole/ slash 2014 douchebags entirely depend on its underlying database (and its usage thereof) being very well flattened into vanishing nothingness. meanwhile items like the search discussed last time, support for transactions (which [16:11]
mircea_popescu: a blog doesn't fucking need! at all!) and so on all come at a cost. which cost you strictly and unmitigatably can not afford in web-facing production environments, period and full stop. [16:11]
mircea_popescu: ie, we're straight back to a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877543 : when it comes to flight, the strategy must include separating the egg laying part out of the airplane. whereas when it comes to fit-in-head or what have you, elegance, self-containedness, the egg laying part must be included in the airplane. [16:12]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:21 mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case [16:12]
mircea_popescu: these are contrary, and the contrast is unresolvable, either you go for tall girls or you go for light girls. there's no tall light girls. [16:12]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema throwbacks thursday, http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/ [19:25]
mircea_popescu: ANOTHER three years. [19:25]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in wtf : iptables -nL works as expected iptables -Ln does not iptables -L -n does not either. dat "unix philosophy". [21:15]
mircea_popescu: remembering arbitrary random associations is not enough, gotta now remember their order, also. what -r is recursive and -v is version, grep wants -v to be invert match and curl wants -r to be "range", whatever the fuck yahoos come up with you're stuck learning. [21:16]
feedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/i-guess-well-know-for-sure-at-the-judgment/ << Daniel P. Barron -- I guess we'll know for sure at the judgment. [22:07]
nicoleci: diana_coman, your summary does look great! not as much jealous as amazed :) [22:20]
hanbot: BingoBoingo, for yer consideration: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qfiDP/?raw=true [22:59]
BingoBoingo: tyvm hanbot [23:24]
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/euloras-new-all-time-high-jackpot-trebles-hits-3-5-btc/ << Qntra -- Eulora's New All-Time High Jackpot Trebles, Hits 3.5 BTC [23:25]
mircea_popescu: yeah, and it was mostly bod too, like 6k units high q. [23:30]
BingoBoingo: Nice [23:35]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4601 [23:38]
asciilifeform: mightily nifty summary piece btw, diana_coman [23:38]
asciilifeform: my absolute fave to date in this genre [23:38]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881163 << fwiw in the end i tuned phuctor so has transactions + indices + fast + sliced bread [23:39]
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 21:11 mircea_popescu: a blog doesn't fucking need! at all!) and so on all come at a cost. which cost you strictly and unmitigatably can not afford in web-facing production environments, period and full stop. [23:39]
asciilifeform: ( all on postgres tho, and prolly not straight-portable to others, e.g. mysql ) [23:39]
mircea_popescu: prolly should publish this then [23:48]
* mircea_popescu certainly not against having magic postgres ver+config tested out for mp-wp. never stumbled on the magic combo, but also never looked too hard. the hooks are in though, can be switched ~effortlessly. [23:49]
asciilifeform: is anybody other than asciilifeform using postgres currently ? [23:52]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is [23:52]
asciilifeform: the only item i have that is intensely pgistic is indices [23:52]
mircea_popescu: trinque afaik, the original champion. [23:52]
asciilifeform: i'ma put on the conveyor, a piece re how to index ( supposing trinque dun get to it 1st ) [23:53]
asciilifeform: i dun have much in the way of seriously deep departure from default global config ( the defaults are surprisingly sane in pg -- e.g., no 'eat infinite ram' default like apparently exists in mysql ) [23:54]
asciilifeform: and, notably, ultra-stable, i planted the thing on pg in '16 and has ran at all times it had a box to run on, 100% duty cycle, no crashes [23:55]
asciilifeform: inserting a key ( of typical mass, coupla sub-FP's, etc) takes ~100msec. [23:55]
asciilifeform: search of whole orchestra takes 200-500ms [23:56]
asciilifeform: ( can try with 'curl' yerself ) [23:56]
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