Forum logs for 13 Aug 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
deedbot: << Trilema - Il Magnifico Cornuto [00:41]
mircea_popescu: and in other morning woods, [08:19]
mircea_popescu: << anyone know this dude ? should totally be in teh wot. [08:54]
shinohai: wow Tenn the guy lives mebbe 6 hours from me lol [09:01]
mircea_popescu: that's a ways neh ? [09:05]
shinohai: good little drive yeah [09:06]
mircea_popescu: for some reason i had thought you were in yurp. [09:06]
shinohai: Nah I live close to that shithole Atlanta. [09:07]
shinohai: Maybe Europe for retirement [09:07]
mircea_popescu: aok [09:08]
shinohai: Though I could just move to Colombia and start a harem, as you suggest [09:08]
mircea_popescu: not really what i suggest to an us retiree no. [09:09]
shinohai: xD [09:09]
mircea_popescu: continuing the reporting of meatballs : [09:25]
asciilifeform: in other noose, [10:06]
asciilifeform: in moar interesting noose, << canadian fella, 'under government surveillance due to his social media postings and had received a judicial order in February banning him from use of the internet' shot by police after, supposedly, setting off inept bomb. [10:12]
asciilifeform: ( see also : ) [10:14]
a111: Logged on 2015-10-10 17:48 mircea_popescu: "here's the laws and and if you don't like it, you can leave" "i'll go join the people that'll fuck you up" "o wait you can't leave" "does that mean you admit your laws are dumb ?" "nope" "does that make you a hypocritical idiot ? " "no it doesnt!!1" [10:14]
mircea_popescu: heh. [10:14]
mircea_popescu: anyway - the statal response to this sort of "situation" is very much modelled on the bomb disarming philosophy : "oh, you want to blow ? fine, now you have to, while we try to manipulate the context so that you're not effective" [10:17]
asciilifeform: how else. [10:18]
mircea_popescu: ie, "order to stay away from the internet" etc. [10:18]
asciilifeform: waco set the gold standard. [10:18]
asciilifeform: (it had no net access but they cut its phone, mail, visitors off.) [10:18]
mircea_popescu: hence the importance of denying the state reach. [10:18]
mircea_popescu: not a hard task, either : its reach has to be negative. [10:19]
mircea_popescu: the difference between qntra article detailing embarrassing illiteracy of uk supreme court and cancer cell the surgeon missed is just about nil. [10:20]
asciilifeform: 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' is standard anglo approach, from boer war, to ww2 japan, to every poor motherfucker like the one in link [10:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the brits have ~nothing on usa: we have a whole supreme court judge here who is solidly suspected of illiteracy [10:21]
asciilifeform: (sotomayor) [10:21]
asciilifeform: bush's 'wise latina' (his phrasing) [10:22]
mircea_popescu: hey, rice is a fine example of us "academic" [10:24]
asciilifeform: i suppose now that these are stamped out by the thousand, they are ~unremarkable. [10:24]
mircea_popescu: kind-of. [10:25]
mircea_popescu: i dunno who recalls the history of irc but for the sake of recording : it was originally a finnish bb extension it quickly spread throughout finland then to swedish network then various us universities applied to be accepted and were. then it was used to report on the gorbachev coup, through a "media blocade", after being similarly useful during the gulf war. [10:42]
mircea_popescu: ie, irc is what "social media" idly pretends to have been. notwithstanding that digg and myspace went away, as reddit and facebook will go away. irc has been here throughout, and will probably see the successor websites putting forth the same sort of plowing flies idle pretensions. for idiots to believe and everyone else to laugh. [10:43]
deedbot: << Trilema - Buenos Aires, that southern village. [10:44]
mircea_popescu: obviously, deed-and-paste is much more reliable for a disrupted flow sort of situation. more generally : improvements can and do exist. it's just that they never come from the state. [10:45]
asciilifeform: whatever even happened to the finns... [10:56]
asciilifeform: recall [10:56]
asciilifeform: the ~original~ 'lavabit', if you will. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: i suspect the russians happened ot the fins. [10:57]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they 'happened' to them during peter I [10:57]
asciilifeform: and a couplea times since. [10:57]
asciilifeform: (prior to all of which, there were, of course, no finns as such, but buncha backwater swedes...) [10:58]
mircea_popescu: yeah. one of those times since putin. [10:58]
mircea_popescu: just like the us carefully popped each and every single bulb in the previous "club of unalligned nations", russia fucked around with its better neighbours. [10:58]
mircea_popescu: yugo - gone egypt - gone worth looking through the list, it's pretty much the dod blueprint. [11:00]
asciilifeform: when i was a boy, mother went, briefly, to finland, and came back with tales of unfathomable civilization, with megatechnological wonders such as clean streets, japanese cars, and tv sets with REMOTES [11:00]
asciilifeform: << complementing this, >> [11:05]
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 12:54 mircea_popescu: << anyone know this dude ? should totally be in teh wot. [11:05]
asciilifeform: in even lulzier noose, <<< does this mean that Crypto Ag will be unmasked??!1111 [11:11]
asciilifeform: $s crypto ag [11:12]
a111: 8 results for "crypto ag", [11:12]
mircea_popescu: lol [11:12]
mircea_popescu: "hey, you got bitcoin now, time to end this nonsensical abomination" "okaY" [11:12]
asciilifeform: bbbbut gunpowder is deviltry, no christian would... [11:13]
asciilifeform: or was that in some other time or place. [11:13]
asciilifeform: incidentally, mircea_popescu's article with the 'brujula' (compass), i could not help but wonder, is this same root as 'bruja' (witch) ? [11:14]
mircea_popescu: i would expect, yes. [11:15]
asciilifeform: witcherator. [11:15]
* mircea_popescu is not an expert on moor etymologies. [11:15]
asciilifeform: well magnetism is sorcery no less than pyrotechnics, neh? [11:15]
mircea_popescu: sure. [11:15]
mircea_popescu: besides the navigators were italian dutch and portuguese, not really spanish. [11:16]
asciilifeform: i can picture spanish passengers, muttering 'witchery' [11:16]
mircea_popescu: aha. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: moreover this is the answer an actually competent scholar would give to amateur efforts a la yarvin's "oh, how could these people believe such nonsense WITHOIUT EVIDENCE". [11:17]
mircea_popescu: that evidence doesn't meet your standard is irrelevant - stuff like "ship across atlantic" very neatly met theirs. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: "we are living in a time of witchdom, how else did the ocean get bridged" [11:18]
asciilifeform: which nonsense [11:18]
mircea_popescu: unawareness of such "invisible" subtleties then lead one on wild goose chases of theoretical constructs with little basis in anything but tobacco he smoked. [11:18]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall, guy has a piece about witches and whatnot. [11:19]
asciilifeform: hm [11:19]
mircea_popescu: somewhere in the foundations of his "unitarian church" series. [11:19]
asciilifeform: << ? [11:19]
mircea_popescu: aha! [11:20]
asciilifeform: 'Obviously, if the witches had any power whatsoever, they wouldn't waste their time gallivanting around on broomsticks, fellating Satan and cursing cows with sour milk. They're getting burned right and left, for Christ's sake! Priorities! No, they'd turn the tables and lay some serious voodoo on the witch-hunters. In a country where anyone who speaks out against the witches is soon found dangling by his heels from an oak at midni [11:22]
asciilifeform: ght with his head shrunk to the size of a baseball, we won't see a lot of witch-hunting and we know there's a serious witch problem. In a country where witch-hunting is a stable and lucrative career, and also an amateur pastime enjoyed by millions of hobbyists on the weekend, we know there are no real witches worth a damn.' << this struck me as reasonable observation. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: it is but this isn't the problem. the problem is that he's proceeded in the "Scientific American" manner of contemporary MIT engineering. he created a "hockey stick pattern" out of putting some data through a process that always yields a hockey stick pattern data that he's obtained from extrapolating a tiny dataset of dubious relevancy (ie, last week's tv guide contents). [11:23]
mircea_popescu: the objection is methodological. i am saying yarvin is not a thinker. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: his results don't enter into this discussion. [11:23]
asciilifeform: less than this. [11:24]
asciilifeform: whole piece was a reaction to gawker successfully raping paul graham. [11:24]
mircea_popescu: moreover, his notions of paul graham as the victim scarcely meet yours. for that matter mine - it is rare to see a confessed ponzi fraudster go free to "advise" young people on "their careers". [11:24]
mircea_popescu: i don't see at this point what exactly could happen to graham that'd be on the strength of his public record unwarranted. [11:25]
asciilifeform: if he is eaten by weevils, it will be quite warranted imho. [11:25]
asciilifeform: the problem, possibly, is that we get a multitude of fat, emboldened weevils. [11:26]
mircea_popescu: there is that. but then again - we don't care about results, purpose or consequence here at tmsr. [11:26]
mircea_popescu: we just proceed from cause. [11:26]
asciilifeform: there is 'proceed from cause, damn the torpedoes' but there is also 'first ecstasy, then laundry.' [11:27]
mircea_popescu: sorry, i couldn't hear you over the moans. then there's what ? [11:27]
asciilifeform: no rush. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: it may surprise the esteemed audience to find that i have never ever done laundry, in any capacity. not as much as load a load into a machine. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: this wasn't a deliberate thing. it just never happened. i fully intend to do it once, if i have occasion. [11:28]
asciilifeform: it will likely surprise no one if mircea_popescu tells also that he has never tied own shoes with own hands. [11:28]
asciilifeform: etc. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: very similarly to how i fully intend to jack off once. just as soon as i have occasion. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is what folks have in mind that go livid just after muttering "privilege" with clenched fists. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: awell. [11:30]
asciilifeform: dunno, at one point, in civilized cities, ~only specially-grown laundry nuns did laundry, everybody else just dropped coin in the basked and off it went [11:31]
mircea_popescu: you still gotta put it in the basket... [11:31]
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu , what, throws it in the air, the gurlz catch ? [11:32]
mircea_popescu: i literally throw my clothes around the house, yes. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: i suppose this sounds closer to parody than anything by now huh ? a well. [11:33]
asciilifeform: in as far as dirigiblisms go, this is the mildest yet, i can throw down my shirt also and it will also get washed. [11:33]
mircea_popescu: men are creatures of habit, there's i'm told "de facto designated areas" anyway. [11:33]
asciilifeform: i dun sit on every item of furniture, no... [11:34]
asciilifeform: (unlike, say, a housecat) [11:34]
asciilifeform: << in other nooze: 'It's a touch-screen DRE (direct-recording electronic) voting machine. ... We received the machine with the original tamper-evident seals intact. The software can be replaced without breaking any of these seals, simply by removing screws and opening the case. ... In celebration of the 30th anniversary of the iconic arcade game, we reprogrammed the AVC Edge to run Pac-Man.' [11:45]
shinohai: kek [11:47]
mircea_popescu: lol! [11:47]
mircea_popescu: qntra ? [11:47]
shinohai: Quite possibly a superior use of the hardware [11:47]
mircea_popescu: shinohai go for it, slow week anyway. [11:47]
* shinohai looks [11:48]
asciilifeform: i find linked item a bit of a puzzler, even sov-era electronics had screw seals, that were at least an honest try against quiet defloration, if not serious challenge [11:52]
asciilifeform: ( the humble seal is one of the most, imho, under-rated pieces of crypto tech. at least the 'otp' variant, where it is made from a shattered rod, is 'unbreakable' in any direct sense. as discussed in at least one old thread. ) [11:57]
asciilifeform: << canonical, i think, 'seals' thread. [12:03]
a111: Logged on 2015-03-28 03:15 Adlai: some of the devices shipped with teh sticker glued to the wrong side [12:03]
mircea_popescu: problem is the seal relies on a certain environment. to work it requires a population of mit engineers "as they pretend to be" rather than "as they are" [12:15]
asciilifeform: elaborate ? [12:18]
asciilifeform: ( i.e. actually literate people? or wat ) [12:18]
mircea_popescu: yes, technically and scientifically literate. [12:19]
asciilifeform: well then noshit.jpg. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: ie, a bunch of "garage chemists" grown up, so to speak. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: the one thing the us certainly is not. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: in and of themselves, seals are just another religious artefact [12:19]
mircea_popescu: as proven by the quotes. [12:19]
asciilifeform: one of the numerous things seals do not do, is to sneak into violator's bed at night and remove his balls. [12:21]
asciilifeform: ~someone~ has to ~give a fuck~ [12:21]
asciilifeform: and it isn't the piece of lead. [12:21]
deedbot: << Qntra - Bitfinex Freezes US Accounts Following Another Loss [12:31]
danielpbarron: >> Shotgun to the face, slow motion. [12:37]
asciilifeform: ^ fella has this... surprised! look. [12:43]
mircea_popescu: awww! ANOTHER loss ? but who could have etc. [12:43]
asciilifeform: prolly just the eyeball pop. [12:43]
mircea_popescu: o hey, not a bad shot. [12:44]
mircea_popescu: another heuristic ruined, "so you shot a guy in the face ?" "oh yeah" "describe how it looks" is no longer an absolute bar to redditards. [12:44]
deedbot: << Trilema - Two theoretical alternatives [13:02]
mircea_popescu: since back in january you weren't yet constructing your identity around cleavage asciilifeform here's a repost : [13:19]
mircea_popescu: or no, nm, my bad. seems it's actually quite linked. [13:21]
asciilifeform: al schwartz, iirc, did indeed fuck twins [13:26]
asciilifeform: fwiw. [13:26]
asciilifeform: (eh if 'google groups' still worked!111) [13:26]
mircea_popescu: good for him! [13:31]
asciilifeform: and i only even remembered this because it was my first encounter of this being described as a particular thing. [13:33]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cleaving' did not start, and won't end, with asciilifeform , or even with engineers, folks cleaved dry from green wood to burn in fire, and tasty from rotten parts of mammonth, etc. and will cleave in future. [13:37]
mircea_popescu: sure! [13:46]
BingoBoingo: In old trilema [14:09]
mircea_popescu: o hey, you can read that ? [14:10]
BingoBoingo: bits and pieces, but the gist I get is pseudo-mantadory middlemen break markets [14:15]
BingoBoingo: Because how the fuck do you price milk if only one buyer from dairies and seller to consumers exists? [14:15]
mircea_popescu: yeah bad information ruins it, basically. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima add it to translaqueue. [14:16]
BingoBoingo: kinda the whole problem with extant fiat/Bitcoin interfaces on a more familiar scale [14:21]
mircea_popescu: fucking argentines and their "lyrical" tango. god damned. these people have no idea. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of the tango is the sharp end of measures. you have a fuzzy exp that concentrates in a glowing hot tip. that's a tango. [14:32]
asciilifeform: << moar lel [14:48]
mats: it appears that more than a kg of cocaine was sold on teh sr! [14:49]
mircea_popescu: after dea took it over ? [14:52]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo to replace ? [14:53]
mircea_popescu: it IS pretty fucking huge, almost mb. [14:53]
BingoBoingo: too huge, will negatively affect our African readers with GSM connections [14:54]
mircea_popescu: myeah. k. [14:54]
mats: just making a dig. specifically, in reference to 'This is why two years later the famous marketplace was struggling to move one kilogram of cocaine, and this is why it took them three weeks to make the sale, and this is why it actually had to be the owner buying it on his own account : because SR makes no economic sense whatsoever.' [14:54]
mats: the post was informative, no doubt about the fundamentals being correct -- readers, see [14:55]
* mats starts slogging through 'U.S. v. Burchard' [14:56]
mircea_popescu: mats "was struggling to move one kilogram" ie, "this inept prude is struggling to take a 7 inch cock up her ass" not "the total volume of shit she ever shat to become the 29 yo loser she is doesn't ammount to the volume of a 7 inch penis" [14:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try compress the gif, it takes eons to load [14:59]
asciilifeform: (compress in the time sense, not the usual) [14:59]
asciilifeform: as in, head splats in 3s instead of 25 [14:59]
mircea_popescu: kinda got nixed but if there's an artist in audience, mebbe i can get bb to reconsider. [14:59]
mircea_popescu: i kinda like the idea of that thing as an icon. [15:00]
asciilifeform: it is beautiful, only bulky. [15:00]
mircea_popescu: and badly encoded - all those ugly artefacts. [15:00]
asciilifeform: who, i wonder, was the lucky dude [15:00]
mircea_popescu: looks jew. [15:00]
asciilifeform: lel, did they write back to israel, 'stop sending niggerz with non-rusting staples' etc ? [15:01]
mircea_popescu: possibly not. [15:01]
mircea_popescu: couldn't find anyone who could write. [15:01]
mats: "On June 3,2015 I learned that publicly available information indicated David BURCHARD, **** Duke Ct, Merced, California 95340, had registered or attempted to register and trademark the phrase "caliconnect." After obtaining this information, HSI Fresno investigators began to search Reddit and other publicly available websites for the username "caliconnect" [15:02]
mats: and discovered comments and reviews from individuals claiming to have ordered marijuana from a dark-web vendor going by the online username "caliconnect." [15:02]
mats: oh lawd [15:02]
mircea_popescu: lol. [15:02]
asciilifeform: bbbbut did he register a software patent also!111111 [15:02]
mircea_popescu: mats seriously, the pile of unexploited comedy gold in that "community driven" "dao-based security" thing is staggering. [15:03]
shinohai: later tell BingoBoingo [15:03]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [15:03]
mircea_popescu: and i'd just as well like to have it well exposed and catalogued to bitchslap the gwern-ish wikipedia/lesswrong/niceonline beta bois and assorted imbeciles. [15:04]
mircea_popescu: tbh they're more pernicious and a larger threat to sugar, spice and everything nice than bumbling "law enforcement" could ever hope to be. [15:04]
mats: this is p good qntra material [15:04]
mircea_popescu: hit it. [15:04]
shinohai: lulzy mats [15:06]
shinohai: r/darknetmarkets is an infosec lulzmine [15:06]
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> who, i wonder, was the lucky dude << some guy caught in isis-land writing anti-isis graffiti [15:08]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> kinda got nixed but if there's an artist in audience, mebbe i can get bb to reconsider. << Would also break Qntra's branding history. Perhaps if someone wanted to start an "Online Culture Magazine" it may have a place in the header of that as per [15:10]
mircea_popescu: wait, so like the us ? [15:10]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ah, you're pretty much set on rabbit 4 eva ? [15:10]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, history is its own asset class. [15:11]
mircea_popescu: up to you. [15:11]
mircea_popescu: it did end up put in there in response to events though, it's not deductively derived from qntra substance [15:11]
BingoBoingo: How many more reddit girlies can we make feel reflexive disgust at rabbits because truth? This needs to be answered. [15:12]
mircea_popescu: lol k [15:12]
mircea_popescu: tho i wouldn't call 200-odd pound redditards girlies. [15:12]
danielpbarron: I once went to the trouble of creating an account on either silkroad or one of the things that came after in order to buy twatter followers for an ex-friend of mine (he thought he was really good at social media, obsessed over follower/following ratio, yet only had 50 followers) -- he didn't ask for this I thought it would be funny to freak him out. Anyway, stupid vendor I contacted via GPG-gram replies in plaintext that he can't [15:12]
mircea_popescu: girlols ? [15:12]
deedbot: << Qntra - Popular Voting Machine Hacked With Seals Intact, Plays Pacman [15:12]
BingoBoingo: It's a brand. As much as marketing is a scam, branding does matter. [15:12]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lol. the interwebs are full of that though, why bother with "Darknet" [15:12]
danielpbarron: I was also curious how the darknet thing went [15:13]
mircea_popescu: two toads with one spit huh. [15:14]
danielpbarron: wish I bought a silkroad t-shirt on the original silkroad. prolly the one interesting thing for sale on the whole lot of them [15:14]
mircea_popescu: sounds about right. [15:15]
mats: "BURCHARD used a program called GPG4USB, which automatically used Burchard's Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) private key to decrypt messages sent to him from customers." [15:17]
shinohai: shit BingoBoingo i fergot to the sauce [15:20]
mats: also, "Other HSI investigators and I reviewed approximately 977 transactions involving "Caliconnect" on the Silk Road and determined that approximately 977 transactions involving "Caliconnect" on the Silk Road and determined that approximately 704 pounds of marijuana and approximately 10.5 grams of cocaine were sold to customers located throughout the United [15:21]
mats: States... Among the data provided to me by the FBI on this list, "Caliconnect" was the third largest U.S.-based vendor on the Silk Road in terms of total sales." [15:21]
mats: lol 10.5g [15:21]
ben_vulpes: pretty sad [15:23]
* danielpbarron had a feeling it was mostly pot [15:24]
thestringpuller: more ver-ified lulz: [15:28]
ben_vulpes: oh lol phelps is swimming in rio? [15:33]
ben_vulpes: so all the 'omg drugs' propaganda produced ~0 actual effect on the mans professional career [15:33]
mats: iirc the controversy in question was over a vidya of him taking a bong rip [15:37]
mats: which is increasingly moar culturally acceptable in .us [15:37]
mircea_popescu: mats ahahaha 10 grams 3rd largest ? [15:38]
mircea_popescu: fuck yeah. [15:38]
mats: mp wins again [15:39]
mats: prepare for teh smug [15:39]
mircea_popescu: mp plays with rigged cards. hard to lose. [15:39]
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Recreational marijuana is available to residents and non-residents of Colorado, however you must be 21 years old and older to purchase or possess. Only licensed retail marijuana stores may sell retail marijuana. [15:41]
ben_vulpes: this [15:41]
mircea_popescu: well, it's other news. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: by now "pot smuggling" is right up there with hawking concert tickets. [15:42]
ben_vulpes: hasn't been an interesting hustle for over half a decade now. [15:43]
phf: man, that shotgun to the head is nasty. i wouldn't want confederate rabbit to get replaced by it [15:43]
ben_vulpes: now, the rollup and consolidation of pot retail operations on the other hand, is going to be a fun project. [15:43]
mircea_popescu: so if the "ideal man" moved from porn in the 90s to pot in the 00s to what in 2010 ? [15:43]
ben_vulpes: bit of a stretch to say that ideal man was moving pots in the aughts [15:44]
mircea_popescu: where do you meet all the sluts ? ngo organising ? [15:44]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hence the quotes. [15:44]
mircea_popescu: and i guess it was what, rock band roadie in the 80s ? cocksucker blues et all ? [15:44]
ben_vulpes: heh yeah my dad has some great stories about following the dead around [15:45]
mircea_popescu: im sure. [15:45]
mircea_popescu: but yeah, the spot to be today would be... the guy telling people what to do at burning man or somesuch i guess. [15:45]
phf: "and then we dropped acid and it was awesome. and then we dropped acid again, and it was awesome again" kind of stories.. [15:46]
mircea_popescu: phf gotta cut the old folks some slack for them getting slobber on ballsack is a lifechanging sort of event. [15:46]
ben_vulpes: phf: "great" [15:46]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller gotta love the "of course i'm outraged". somehow this made sense to him. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: << this being exactly the mtgox playbook, "oh, it's not us, it's the processor" [15:50]
ben_vulpes: is anyone doing the "buy bitfinex coins at a ridoinculous discount" thing yet? [16:05]
mircea_popescu: mno. [16:07]
mircea_popescu: ~same reason nobody sane is doing the "buy ethereum" whatever. [16:07]
mircea_popescu: anyone was around / recalls the discussions with the naive "mtgox debt" buyers ? back in the day ? pirate debt buyers ? back in THAT day ? [16:07]
mircea_popescu: seen onefixt [16:08]
gribble: I have not seen onefixt. [16:08]
mircea_popescu: oh gribble you liar you. [16:08]
phf: $seen onefixt [16:10]
a111: I haven't seen onefixt [16:10]
mircea_popescu: old stories. [16:12]
phf: that might be in the even older logs [16:12]
phf: ah, it's that case sensitive search.. [16:13]
phf: $seen OneFixt [16:13]
a111: 2014-06-22 <OneFixt> mine is not at all easy to dump unfortunately [16:13]
mircea_popescu: ah right. [16:14]
BingoBoingo: lol << attn pete_dushenski et al [17:50]
shinohai: fucking lol [17:53]
mats: i put a few coins down for a bet, sure hope the operator doesn't fly away [18:01]
shinohai: O.o [18:07]
shinohai: i was kinda unsure if I should place hard-earned dust into it [18:07]
mats: not my finest moment [18:08]
mircea_popescu: tsk. [18:30]
mircea_popescu: it's fucking fascinating to read anglo reviews of fine italian cinema. a more stark light to display the fundamental inadequacy of that subculture in understanding anything worth thinking about could scarcely be found. [18:33]
mircea_popescu: James Kendrick Q Network Film Desk "Adriana's essential vacuity, central as it is the film's point, doesn't give us enough to hold onto, so by the time the narrative is winding its way to its climax, everything has blurred into one long rush of nothing." [18:35]
mircea_popescu: hurr. [18:35]
phf: man is describing his sex life [18:37]
mircea_popescu: or at least what he's seen of it on tv. [18:38]
mircea_popescu: and how commodously they give themselves the trophy, too. ADRIANA'S vacuity, you see. hers, not theirs. they know this. because... [18:38]
mircea_popescu: oh but it goes without sayng, it's a... it's a no brainer is what it is. [18:39]
mircea_popescu: fucking nobrain society. [18:39]
mircea_popescu: the fact that for any possible test other than timescale itself, she could already be una vecchia and nobody could tell the difference escapes notice. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: out of 9 "top critics" in syndication, two pass the blurb test : village voice's atkinson and slant magazine's dillard. this is the fucking bar, "write one sentence that doesn't mark you for idiocy", 2/9 specialists pass. [18:41]
mircea_popescu: every single college graduate should fucking pass omfg. [18:42]
deedbot: << Trilema - Io la conoscevo bene [18:49]
mircea_popescu: michael atkinson gets it and he knows his shit. clayton dillard has absolutely no fucking idea what's going on. i think he smokes towels or something. [18:52]
mircea_popescu: out of the 9, 1 is competent and the other's a shannonizing pass. [18:52]
mircea_popescu: im sure engineering works out exactly the same. [18:52]
phf: mircea_popescu: link to atkinson review? [19:04]
mircea_popescu: [19:04]
phf: thank you [19:05]
mircea_popescu: "A generation-defining movie in Italy, I Knew Her Well is that rare saga of the never-was, immersed, like its heroine, in daydreams, numb to its own heartbreak." [19:05]
mircea_popescu: threatens to become very much a generation-defining movie in the colonies, also. [19:05]
shinohai: ls [19:08]
shinohai: well that was wrong buffer certainly [19:08]
mircea_popescu: in other roger ver lulz, [19:33]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever have crapple 'a1181' lappy? i just swapped out hv (lamp) cable on one, for 2nd time in 7 yrs, what a piece of rubbish [19:34]
asciilifeform: takes no less than 2hrs, for a fucking $10 part. [19:35]
mircea_popescu: so basically costs more to fix than new laptop. such cost to carry... [19:35]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: box is worth maaaaybe 100 (minus the ssd, which is modern and cost 4x that) [19:36]
mircea_popescu: you have a serious prioritization problem huh ? [19:36]
asciilifeform: more of 'old cars' problem [19:36]
asciilifeform: (categorically refuse to pay the newness tax, and from it follows the rest) [19:37]
asciilifeform: anyway this particular item isn't asciilifeform's, but tame critter's. [19:37]
mircea_popescu: so buy her a new ipad! [19:38]
asciilifeform: she dun like craplets [19:38]
asciilifeform: can't warez on'em [19:38]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: classic! [19:38]
ben_vulpes: i think i have one sitting in the "library of machines to cannibalize when the future demands" [19:39]
ben_vulpes: or a close generation. [19:39]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this implies you have one or more of'em in service ?! [19:39]
asciilifeform: or cannibalize how, for door stoppers ? [19:40]
ben_vulpes: mnno, these are not for repair, but for migration to as the oldest give out [19:41]
ben_vulpes: nor are these "daily drivers", being nearly antiques already [19:41]
asciilifeform: 'Bedi subsequently advised the victim that he successfully tracked the source of the computer virus to a remote village in Honduras. Bedi informed him that the hard drive was the source of the worm that had invaded the computer and advised the victim that Bedi’s uncle, who Bedi contended is an officer in the Indian military, flew to Honduras in an Indian military aircraft during a reconnaissance mission and obtained the hard drive. [19:43]
asciilifeform: Bedi further related that his uncle obtained information that Polish priests affiliated with Opus Dei were attempting to possibly harm the victim. Bedi also advised the victim that the Central Intelligence Agency had subcontracted with Bedi to perform work which would prevent any attempts by the Polish priests associated with Opus Dei to infiltrate the U.S. government.' [19:43]
asciilifeform: this is a crime ?! [19:43]
asciilifeform: 'fool and his money' [19:43]
mircea_popescu: you know, before the whole "terrorists" bullshit started, i used to enjoy reading police reports. [19:44]
mircea_popescu: essentially, you get a barely literate, tired man who dun wanna do it, coerced into summarizing the lives of other derps. [19:44]
mircea_popescu: it's consistently going to deliver not as greatly as the heights of fiction, true, but rarely as poorly as its pits. [19:44]
mircea_popescu: "really... they did that ?" "oh, and then let's see, so the situation is x, i guess next they... burn the house down. ayup... they did." [19:45]
mircea_popescu: viri from villages in honduras, you realise! [19:45]
asciilifeform: and Great Pianist whose worx are on his 1 comp [19:46]
mircea_popescu: he just wanted to. [19:46]
asciilifeform: Heir to Fortunez!1111 [19:46]
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu will still repeat that 'money is brain' or what. [19:47]
mircea_popescu: evidently. [19:47]
mircea_popescu: ye scarecrow fighting don quijote that there's no other : poverty = stupidity. never was the converse contemplated. [19:47]
asciilifeform: << sentence. [19:47]
asciilifeform: 'The victim, a noted pianist and composer, is the great-grandson and great grand-nephew of the two brothers who founded Schlumberger Ltd.' [19:48]
asciilifeform: must've been one hell of a schlumberger, for great-grandson to have 21m to piss away. [19:49]
asciilifeform: << moar. [19:51]
asciilifeform: 'He said that in the days before they were arrested, the couple were preparing to leave the U.S. for Iceland where Ms. Invarsdottir's father, Ingvar Karlsson, is a prominent businessman.' [19:51]
asciilifeform: 'On his website, Mr. Davidson doesn't mention his family's affiliation with Schlumberger, instead focusing on his long career composing and performing music. A spokeswoman for Schlumberger declined to comment. Mr. Davidson is also the founder and president of the Society for Universal Sacred Music...' [19:51]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno, here we have some mind-bogglingly bovine rich, and pretty clever poverty..? [19:52]
asciilifeform: 'In a 2006 video posted on YouTube promoting the society, Mr. Davidson is seen standing before a group of musicians and speaking about his organization. In the video, Mr. Bedi can be seen standing silently next to Mr. Davidson.' << gold. [19:53]
mircea_popescu: the "cleverness" of poor people is no different from the "security" of windows. [19:53]
mircea_popescu: not something to go on the ocean in. [19:53]
asciilifeform: well, at any rate the public whipping post only ever contains the folks who didn't make it to the ocean. [19:54]
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi re the rest. [19:54]
mircea_popescu: but i note you're not actually confronting the ridiculousness of your earlier conflation. [19:54]
asciilifeform: i still say 'if yer so smart why aintcha rich' is horseshit. [19:55]
phf: i'd pay those guys for simply making 60 year old's life a bit more interesting. i think old man is just walking out on a tab [19:55]
mircea_popescu: and you'll keep saying until the day you die, poor. [19:55]
mircea_popescu: phf 6mn tho ? i mean... that nicole whatever chick, she did it for free! [19:55]
phf: that's after how many years though? [19:55]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe she also carried to term ? [19:56]
mircea_popescu: $google anne nicole smith [19:56]
deedbot: << Anna Nicole Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | << Anna Nicole Smith – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia | << Anna Nicole [19:56]
mircea_popescu: in related lulz, while i was visiting mass at some point there was a huge todo because some woman had a child with a ~dead~ fortune owner. and the family was trying to exclude her. [19:56]
phf: works out to about 500k a year [19:57]
mircea_popescu: i'd expect more for 500k/year than those two schmucks. [19:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did the 'trying to exclude' work ? [19:58]
asciilifeform: contested the will, or wat [19:58]
phf: yeah, 500k is a bit too much.. [19:58]
mircea_popescu: well, probate cases, that's what they are. a judge ends up with 55 people in a room all clamoring. [19:58]
asciilifeform: what i meant was, on what legal ground could the woman's claim possibly be dismissed. [20:00]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the nicole smith case is interesting because of how perfectly she played the lizzards off each other. step 1: got one disowned brother to ally with her agains the other step 2 : declared bankruptcy, forcing california bankruptcy court into dispute with texas probate court. [20:00]
asciilifeform: even in the grand open air lunatic asylum that is usa, this seems like 'open & shut case', no ? [20:01]
mircea_popescu: STEP 3! SCROTUS picked up the case, bush had solicitor general intercede, because wanting to get more federal jurisdiction over state probate cases. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: she totally gave them a run for their money. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which this ? [20:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the thing you witnessed in mass. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: it was a horror the baby was born iirc 13 months after the man's demise and their dna matched. [20:02]
mircea_popescu: i didn't witness it per se, it was just "the talk fo the town" so to speak. at least among a certain set. [20:02]
asciilifeform: frozen spoodge or wat [20:02]
asciilifeform: must've been [20:02]
mircea_popescu: no idea. [20:02]
* asciilifeform has nfi what the precedent for these is [20:02]
mircea_popescu: there's an array of "possible explanations", including that women do in some cases actually naturally conserve sperm. [20:02]
mircea_popescu: like fucking turtles. [20:02]
asciilifeform: this'd be worth the stockholm gold (if it still were a real thing) [20:03]
mircea_popescu: it was a rather contentious piece of lol. [20:03]
asciilifeform: sane judge would consider frozen sperms, faked deaths, falsified paternity test, in some order, prior to admitting an undiscovered biological process. [20:04]
mircea_popescu: difficult to bar "expert testimony" [20:04]
asciilifeform: in that case it would be interesting to catalogue the 'miracles' that 'are possible' as per u.s. judicial precedent. [20:05]
asciilifeform: betcha parthenogenesis is in there, somewhere [20:05]
asciilifeform: and teleportations. [20:05]
asciilifeform: and who knows what else. [20:05]
asciilifeform: i mean, if you genuinely can't throw out 'expert witness' based on known physical process throwing an exception... [20:06]
mircea_popescu: there is no such "known". that's the point of the experts. [20:07]
asciilifeform: judge is a brain, and not a 'prolog' proggy, for a reason, neh ? [20:08]
mircea_popescu: yes, but not for this reason. [20:08]
asciilifeform: and this 'not known' is a mighty selective thing, like the rest of the 'rule of law' crock of shit. e.g., why not close ALL unsolved murders, by positing that martians nailed them via telekinesis. [20:10]
mircea_popescu: you get you call your expert to say so, if you can find one [20:10]
mircea_popescu: the opposing party will definitely bring theirs. [20:10]
asciilifeform: nobody's called until a suspect is arraigned [20:10]
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of cold cases. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: VERY MUCH, much more than commonly realised, in the way the us works is predicated on a "can you afford one" system of qualifications. [20:11]
asciilifeform: this, i think, is known to ~everyone at this point [20:11]
mircea_popescu: that you'd be living there as opposed to, say, argentina, while entertaining these ridoinculous "not all poor people are imbeciles" delusions is pretty nutty in itself. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: you want to live in that alt-world where not all poor people are by that fact imbeciles, move to a juntos vencemos place, live with the slime. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: they're connected, these two things. [20:11]
asciilifeform: i dunno that i've ever lived ~outside~ of such a thing, mircea_popescu [20:12]
mircea_popescu: well... india, you know ? [20:12]
mircea_popescu: there's "inner worth" places still. generally, villages and rural areas. [20:12]
mircea_popescu: ie specifically the sort of arrangement you don't seem to like. [20:12]
mircea_popescu: six to a room, from 6 to 60yo, every sperm is sacred, that jazz. [20:13]
mircea_popescu: i mean jizz. [20:13]
asciilifeform: what's the appeal of this again..? [20:13]
mircea_popescu: that they actually try to pretend what you try to pretend, "poverty is not automatically disqualifying" [20:13]
mircea_popescu: at least the women behave accordingly, sometimes. [20:13]
asciilifeform: i'm not even sure that mircea_popescu and i agree on a def of 'poverty' [20:14]
mircea_popescu: maybe not. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: what difference would it make ? [20:14]
asciilifeform: does it include... all folx who work for a living? anyone with one fewer wine bottle than mircea_popescu's cellar contains ? folx without dirigibles? what. [20:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it makes difference if we want to even have a meaningful dissection of subj. [20:15]
asciilifeform: for my edification, let's hear mircea_popescu's picture of 'poverty' [20:15]
mircea_popescu: why ? if "i'd love to chat you up but i gotta hurry back to work" applies, boy's poor, and girl either moves on or doesn't. [20:15]
mircea_popescu: if she doesn't, you've got a sort of place. if she does, you've got another sort of place. [20:15]
mircea_popescu: you insist in living in one while holding the ideology of the other. [20:16]
asciilifeform: not everyone who works is a 'gotta hurry back to work' [20:16]
mircea_popescu: the test is given. [20:17]
asciilifeform: no room for naggum folk? (and are they poor? unpoor?) [20:17]
mircea_popescu: again - the test is given. what, you expect this to be resolved from hitler's own throne, administratively and universally, as if somehow universal knowledge is possible ? [20:18]
asciilifeform: i really love mircea_popescu's 'choose hole a or hole b', 'fork in the eye or once up the arse?' (ru prison riddle) tests. [20:18]
mircea_popescu: what's this, "i'll consider looking at how nonsensical my nonsense is if you bake in this other nonsense" ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu: but yes, upon examination it's obvious we don't agree on "the definition of poverty". you apparently imagine it is a boolean and idiocy also. [20:20]
mircea_popescu: this can't possibly make any sense of anything. [20:20]
asciilifeform: nah it is just that mircea_popescu poses a riddle where there is 'or your ox wanders off' and i dun have an ox, and have to spend quite a few cpu cycles mapping it onto what i actually do. [20:20]
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : in any situation when symbol.poverty is defined, symbol.idiocy is also defined and equals 1. [20:22]
asciilifeform: incidentally if mircea_popescu's picture of 'poverty' is encompassed by the hero of then i have absolutely no counter against 'must also be stupid.' [20:23]
mircea_popescu: mno. if it ever makes sense to say "i am poor", in whatever context, for whatever reason, EVER it then therefore and for this reason as sole and sufficient it also makes sense to say "i am stupid". [20:23]
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants to operate with a definition of 'stupid' that encompasses everybody on planet3 but mircea_popescu and five other d'artagnans, this is his business alone, and not mine [20:25]
mircea_popescu: it dun really matter, does it. [20:25]
asciilifeform: there was some thread re 'driven by poverty' but i can't seen to unearth it [20:26]
asciilifeform: << [20:26]
a111: Logged on 2016-03-14 16:36 mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of people who, however poor may they be irl, are still not driven by the poverty so to speak. [20:26]
mircea_popescu: but in any case, should the operator be interested in resolving the poverty issue, the solution is always and without exception being less stupid notwithstanding that the tempting path usually taken is being more stupud, for some reason reminescent of that great pacino monologue in devil's advocate. [20:26]
asciilifeform: 'being less stupid' is a vector op, neh ? [20:27]
mircea_popescu: more like a string. [20:27]
mircea_popescu: i guess technically a string is an n-vector. [20:27]
asciilifeform: say i 'feel poor' until i can buy a working buenos aires, in what direction 'be less stupid' ? [20:28]
mircea_popescu: that's above my pay grade. [20:28]
asciilifeform: but can haz type ? vector ? tensor ? [20:28]
asciilifeform: i dun expect mircea_popescu to calculate it. [20:28]
mircea_popescu: there's pretty much nothing i can say about it, turns out. [20:28]
asciilifeform: so we have a 'NaN' lel. [20:28]
mircea_popescu: i'm not even convinced "summon nazi alien troops, massacre anyone" is solution. [20:29]
asciilifeform: (did the chinese actually call it 'mu' or was i lied to) [20:29]
asciilifeform: also imho this thread can go somewhere useful still. in a ru (or i suspect any) prison cell, there are 'poverty' people, even if there is no money in the cell. [20:31]
asciilifeform: so answer is, not to be them. [20:31]
mircea_popescu: i guess. [20:32]
mircea_popescu: money's always there i guess there's no coins, bills, whatever. [20:32]
mircea_popescu: tide money never goes away. [20:32]
asciilifeform: well yes. but 'pederast' who gets mailed a fat box of delicacy dun get to eat any. [20:33]
mircea_popescu: it's still in the cell. [20:33]
asciilifeform: american psychologists used to use a term 'social capital' but everybody will prolly break into hives now. [20:33]
phf: "be less stupid" might possibly be a cellular automaton. you can take steps according to certain rules, but the state of less stupid is emergent [20:33]
asciilifeform: ^ [20:34]
mircea_popescu: phf the problem becomes rapidly complex as the tasks involved go above "i would like my snatch to not stink" [20:34]
phf: right [20:34]
mircea_popescu: generally complexity-reducing rules are for instance much more effectual as a class than ~anything else. [20:34]
asciilifeform: and i never for a moment disagreed with 'snatch stinks? yer poor & stupid' [20:34]
mircea_popescu: hence why the various complex fabulations of the psycho-overactive are so dimly regarded. [20:34]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you conflated unlike things. [20:35]
asciilifeform: hm [20:35]
mircea_popescu: the number 4 in there isn't comparable to the number 4 as you compared it they're different things. [20:35]
mircea_popescu: all math and no physics makes scientist a socialist!!11 [20:35]
asciilifeform: well traditionally folks say 'yes, stupid' when somebody is unable to learn what we think of as 'basic' process, e.g., reading street sign. [20:37]
asciilifeform: or washing. .....or earning enough to have a place to wash. [20:37]
mircea_popescu: in the context it was used, "i would like my snatch to not stink" made up the whole of the universe in the context you used it, it's part of a larger universe. this comparison is invalid. [20:37]
asciilifeform: definition can , as iirc was richly expounded on in the l0gz, also shift based on what we think is 'basic op' [20:38]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes, in the context of, e.g., dark ages europe, 'non-stinking snatch' possibly required considerably more standing in hierarchy than presently. so context matters. [20:39]
mircea_popescu: this is not what context means. [20:39]
mircea_popescu: bejesus what a festival. [20:39]
asciilifeform: so which context then ? [20:39]
asciilifeform: what am i missing. [20:39]
mircea_popescu: alright let's dig into it. [20:39]
mircea_popescu: i said "phf the problem becomes rapidly complex as the tasks involved go above "i would like my snatch to not stink"". this is a statement of the nature of, "geometry becomes rapidly longer as the number of possible dimensions goes above 1". you said "and i never for a moment disagreed with 'snatch stinks? yer poor & stupid'". this is a statement of the nature of "if you only describe one dimension, you suck at geometry". thi [20:41]
mircea_popescu: s is nonsensical, because the "1" was also "all". a geometry describing one dimension in a world where only one dimension may exist is not any worse than a geometry describing three in a world with three. they're exactly the same thing : the complete story of geometry. [20:41]
asciilifeform: ok so all mircea_popescu said earlier is 'solving 1-dim. optimization is trivial' ? [20:42]
mircea_popescu: well, a converse, but anyway, proceed. [20:43]
asciilifeform: well i didn't proceed, because still unable to conceive a useful (and general) def of poverty. [20:44]
mircea_popescu: (the agreement i inferred to have with phf as a result of that statement was "it's not even clear what sort of hyperexponential is involved, it grows so fast". we don't have any sort of upper bounds.) [20:44]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, a specific definition of poverty is, much like euler's god, not actually necessary for this discussion. [20:46]
asciilifeform: so far it resembles, in my mind, an entirely subjective thing, like, e.g., 'stinks'. stinking depends on the nose in question. [20:46]
mircea_popescu: this is entirely not forbidden. [20:47]
asciilifeform: so since noses un unscrew, and i cannot trade with mircea_popescu for each other to see what stinks to the other, the train typically stops there. [20:48]
asciilifeform: *dun unscrew [20:48]
mircea_popescu: what's that to do with anything ? [20:48]
asciilifeform: well what am i to do with 'this is a subjective perception' [20:49]
asciilifeform: next i suppose we can debate how many nm wavelength begins colour 'red'. [20:49]
mircea_popescu: i said "a specific definition is not required for the discussion", you opted to stuff some nonsense into that. [20:49]
mircea_popescu: do with it what you will, it's all yours. [20:49]
asciilifeform: what kind of discussion can we have without a definition ? [20:50]
mircea_popescu: what, this is new to you ? [20:51]
mircea_popescu: "what kind of house can i build if you and your wife aren't seated on a couch watching tv as we build the walls around you!!!1" [20:51]
asciilifeform: wasn't asking for the couch, but for sufficiently many intersecting planes in the vector space that we might arrive at a spot that looks like couch would fit there. [20:52]
asciilifeform: i.e. some useful concept of 'what is poverty' derived from shared priors. [20:52]
mircea_popescu: why ? [20:53]
mircea_popescu: the couch really is not your business, we're discussing whether this beam is horizontal or not, and if these angles sum up to the right value. [20:53]
asciilifeform: thus far i don't even know if mircea_popescu's concept is absolute ('must afford dirigible') or simply 'stay out of bottom 10% of social pyramid' or what. [20:55]
asciilifeform: or neither, and won't even fit in my orc skull. or. [20:55]
mircea_popescu: depends on the concept of stupidity involved, really. they're not separate. [20:55]
mircea_popescu: ie, some definitions of stupidity require universal poverty. as for instance documented re argentina. [20:56]
mircea_popescu: these people can't be rich no matter what the fuck happens to them. [20:57]
mircea_popescu: as proven by the fact that they have to date meaninglessly squandered ~5 fortunes. [20:57]
asciilifeform: hey, not universal once mircea_popescu unpacked his pith helmet and started the colonization, eh ? [20:57]
mircea_popescu: first, the german made them rich buying leather to make the pikehauberk. then, grain in ww2. then borrowed. then defaulted. then borrowed. etc. [20:57]
mircea_popescu: they're poorer than they've ever been people point and laugh at venezuela, but venezuela never fucking had the blessing of such an euro outpour. [20:58]
asciilifeform: this blew me away when i first found out - derps are STILL running on the fumes of the great german rocket of ~1900 [20:58]
mircea_popescu: it was at best a texas to this new york. [20:58]
mircea_popescu: aha. [20:58]
asciilifeform: peak, imho, of europe's whole run. [20:58]
mircea_popescu: possibly. [20:58]
mircea_popescu: and to think, the idiot junkers got to fuck it up. [20:59]
mircea_popescu: could be japan, exactly. [20:59]
asciilifeform: as rich, comfortable imbeciles inevitably do. [20:59]
mircea_popescu: i dunno how comfortable the junkers were. [20:59]
asciilifeform: i still do not consider myself qualified to opine re why germany got eaten. [21:00]
asciilifeform: it is, in my mind, great riddle. [21:00]
mircea_popescu: sure. but the ineptitude of the junker class is well documented and i daresay well understood. [21:01]
asciilifeform: different in any way from british ineptitude ? [21:01]
mircea_popescu: there are some meeting points, for sure. [21:02]
asciilifeform: or the degenerate ru aristocrats [21:02]
asciilifeform: or austrians [21:02]
mircea_popescu: but really, voltaire actually had a fine blueprint, EARLY. they just didn't read him. [21:02]
mircea_popescu: "best possible barony" [21:02]
asciilifeform: they all read like that schlumberger to me. [21:02]
mircea_popescu: eh, "degenerate russian aristocrats" is simply french wanna-be ism. nothing russian there. [21:02]
asciilifeform: specifically, if aristocratic degeneracy varies in any fundamental way across europe, i do not know it. [21:03]
mircea_popescu: it does, yes. [21:04]
asciilifeform: folks who inherit empire they had done nothing to conquer, all look quite similar through my telescope. [21:04]
mircea_popescu: there's at least the french sensationalism and the nordic solipsism variants. [21:04]
asciilifeform: tru! [21:04]
asciilifeform: ru had, arguably, both kinds. [21:04]
mircea_popescu: classification is obviously a function of classifier's patience. "all butterflies are moths and that's good enough for a day's work." [21:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, depends which set of magazines made it across the overflowing rivers that spring, you know. [21:05]
mircea_popescu: "russian aristocracy" would have paraded nude with a bone-done hairdo, if it came to it. [21:05]
asciilifeform: the folks running on 'solipsist' setting dun tend to read import lit. [21:06]
asciilifeform: they sit around and pray and horsewhip serfs etc. [21:06]
mircea_popescu: or sit around and smoke and meditate. the "absconse scottish lord" figure in british literature very much typifies the trope. [21:06]
asciilifeform: aha, 'eastern solipsist' setting [21:07]
asciilifeform: on which ran, e.g, iran [21:07]
asciilifeform: (for all i know, still does) [21:07]
asciilifeform: << see also ! [21:07]
asciilifeform: 'Посмотри: в тени чинары / Пену сладких вин / На узорные шальвары / Сонный льет грузин / И склонясь в дыму кальяна / На цветной диван, / У жемчужного фонтана / Дремлет Тегеран.' [21:08]
asciilifeform: and, in particular, 'Бедуин забыл наезды / Для цветных шатров / И поет, считая звезды, / Про дела отцов.' [21:10]
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a deep reason hitler "beloved bayern". it's complicated, all this flow, but in the end - the "treuloser Feinglinge" version of the dolchstoss libel, while factually unsubstantiated, is entirely comprehensible historically. [21:11]
mircea_popescu: i've been kinda waiting for the proper greek drama of "hitler as the executor of his own demise through countering his allies' enmity as best he can" [21:11]
mircea_popescu: pity there's no goethe. [21:11]
mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose there's no need for no goethe. [21:12]
mircea_popescu: pro dela ottsov eh ? [21:14]
asciilifeform: aha. [21:14]
mircea_popescu: nb. [21:14]
asciilifeform: approx., 'bedouin has traded conquest / for a coloured tent / and he sings, the stars a-countin' / of where his fathers'd went' [21:20]
asciilifeform: ( there is, to no particular surprise of asciilifeform's no detectable english translation of lermontov's 'dispute' - linked item, it being not in any possible sense obscure ) [21:21]
* asciilifeform only even went to 1st and 2nd grade of literate-people school, and we did a fat chunk of lermontov. [21:22]
asciilifeform: as in, the trad orc method, of 'memorize this and recite' [21:22]
mod6: asciilifeform: is nsa's trb down? [21:23]
asciilifeform: mod6: no ? [21:23]
asciilifeform: not even blackholed [21:23]
mod6: hm. [21:23]
asciilifeform: happily churning as we speak [21:23]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, as we were discussing probate lulz in the us recently : [21:24]
asciilifeform: mod6: what happened when you tried connecting ? [21:24]
mircea_popescu: so doris duke was this rando slut inheriting some decent chunk of change from the guy who owned lucky strike. she did all sorts of things, including funding duke university. then she died and left a will, naming her butler as executioner, leaving duke 10mn and stipulating that anyone contesting the will is to get nothing. [21:25]
mircea_popescu: within a decade of her death, her chosen executor was replaced by us court morgan stanley president duke uni president and some other dubious schmucks appointed executors [21:25]
mod6: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused [21:25]
mod6: im retrying now [21:26]
asciilifeform: mod6: you aren't, by any chance, on a shitazon box are ya. [21:26]
mod6: we'll see. oh shit, duh, you're blocking me anyway. [21:26]
mod6: yes. [21:26]
asciilifeform: well then. [21:26]
mod6: how did this work before i wonder lol? [21:26]
mircea_popescu: the various things the woman wanted financed got defunded "for perpetuating the Duke family history of personal passions and conspicuous consumption". and well... this being in 2004 i imagine the money is by now well spent by the usg. [21:26]
mod6: i keep forgetting that. my bad. [21:26]
asciilifeform: mod6: why are you on a shitazon anyway [21:27]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would be interesting to read the court transcript of the executor swap. can haz ? [21:27]
asciilifeform: what's such a proceeding look like [21:27]
mod6: asciilifeform: it's a test env [21:27]
mod6: as soon as there is a non-us wot-enabled btc provider... i might think about a bare metal thing for this. [21:29]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, the lizzard meisters wiped it off say but embers remain [21:29]
asciilifeform: << did turn up [21:29]
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, nannerl o keohane, at the time duke head, is certainly a fine example of lizard dome architect. [21:30]
mircea_popescu: "political theorist" my foot. [21:30]
asciilifeform: hey, this is why folks make heirs, neh ? [21:31]
mircea_popescu: dubious. [21:31]
mircea_popescu: this is why folks behead any and all bureaucrats every 7 years. [21:31]
mircea_popescu: at least - my people did. [21:31]
asciilifeform: die heirless and surrounded by questionables, make a mess - today or 1000 yrs ago. [21:32]
mircea_popescu: kill all scribes periodically - problem solved. [21:32]
mod6: <+mod6> as soon as there is a non-us wot-enabled btc provider... i might think about a bare metal thing for this. << i may not wait for this... i dunno, will have to see. [21:32]
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, serious hosters needed. [21:32]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when moose dies in the forest, 10,001 species of crawly comes out to eat - it is not a pest control problem as such. [21:32]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you read the thing you're bound to recognize the by-now standard and documented playbook. [21:32]
asciilifeform: and yes. [21:33]
asciilifeform: but, fact is, it dun work on a live moose. [21:33]
mircea_popescu: not clear what heir could have done, other than you know, gaddafi all over himself. [21:33]
asciilifeform: the rockefellers are still, afaik, in the saddle. [21:33]
asciilifeform: maybe ask'em how. [21:33]
mircea_popescu: lol again with that ? [21:33]
asciilifeform: well simply that i dun have a copy of their dekulakization process. so working under assumption that they did not get duked. [21:34]
mircea_popescu: iirc the last time you used the symbol it got challenged into meaninglessness. [21:34]
asciilifeform: simply pointing out that not all american mega-fortunes yet vaccumed up. [21:35]
asciilifeform: *vacuumed [21:35]
mircea_popescu: pretty much, yeah. [21:35]
mircea_popescu: heck, saudi fortunes seem i ntreouble. the us moved to vacuuming up far east private fortunes recently. [21:35]
mircea_popescu: very moscow 1916. [21:36]
asciilifeform: also 'pay Bernard Lafferty, her high-spending, ponytailed butler, millions of dollars to give up his role in overseeing her fortune' dun look like a straight dekulakization. [21:36]
mircea_popescu: you know what else dun look like ? [21:36]
mircea_popescu: $s esr [21:36]
a111: 82 results for "esr", [21:36]
asciilifeform: esr was idiot quisling paid in devil's-gold-turns-to-leaves. possibly butler - also. [21:37]
mircea_popescu: necessarily butler also. [21:37]
mircea_popescu: what exactly was his leverage ? [21:37]
ben_vulpes: << what all does this admin hardening entail? [21:37]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:54 mircea_popescu: and you've got A LOT of things built in, not just "antispam". you got admin hardening gpg comments auto-spam tagging, ddos protection, anti-trackback flood and etc. [21:37]
mircea_popescu: "shut up or else i route the money to taliban" ? [21:37]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot even give a reason to think he was paid at all, now that i think. [21:38]
mircea_popescu: mkay. [21:38]
asciilifeform: perhaps simply told 'read this script in court or there will be problems' [21:38]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dun specifically recall. various. [21:38]
asciilifeform: and script included ' i was paid ... settlement ' [21:38]
asciilifeform: lel while reading linked fishwrap, fresh from barfomat, [21:39]
mircea_popescu: ooobviously. [21:40]
asciilifeform: 'Most banks have already put together blockchain working groups...' BLOCKCHAIN!!111 [21:40]
asciilifeform: TECHNOLOGY!!!!! [21:40]
asciilifeform: straight from esr's 'open sores' playbook. [21:40]
asciilifeform: these folks have maybe 3, 4 recipes. total. [21:41]
asciilifeform: and of course the sacramental, '...the report says that the industry will have to work with governments to create standard rules and laws to govern transactions.' [21:42]
mircea_popescu: the irony being that they entirely miss the mistakes. but whatever, [21:42]
mircea_popescu: once they stop being poor maybe they can afford hiring actual experts. [21:42]
asciilifeform: anybody wanna write perl script that generates these articles ? [21:42]
asciilifeform: can sell to nyt et al. [21:42]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. [21:42]
asciilifeform: at this point there is more than enough material to write a first-class shannonizer. [21:43]
asciilifeform: that, betcha, will produce moar readable item, than linked. [21:43]
asciilifeform: then we somehow find a way to slip'em in. [21:43]
mircea_popescu: and prove for the nth time that... a) nobody reads the "mainstream" media so no possibility of competing in the direct and b) they have no money anyway, nor any interest in any form of reality, so they can't buy anything from you anyway. [21:44]
asciilifeform: aha, sorta special case of mircea_popescu's proposed reddit nuke. [21:44]
mircea_popescu: yeah. special case of not workedness. [21:44]
asciilifeform: i have nfi what it would look like if 'worked', the most that can be asked for is sokal-style lul. [21:46]
asciilifeform: $s sokal [21:46]
a111: 8 results for "sokal", [21:46]
asciilifeform: or, more particularly, . [21:47]
asciilifeform: 'But this is the hoax that keeps on giving. The creators of the automatic nonsense generator, Jeremy Stribling, Dan Aguayo and Maxwell Krohn, have made the SCIgen program free to download. And scientists have been using it in their droves. Yesterday, French researcher Cyril Labbé revealed that 16 gobbledegook papers created by SCIgen had been used by German academic publisher Springer. More than 100 more fake SCIgen papers were publ [21:47]
asciilifeform: ished by the US Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE). ' [21:47]
mircea_popescu: aha. [21:48]
asciilifeform: ^ doesn't appear to be in the l0gz. so here for the record now. [21:48]
asciilifeform: in other 'news', chinese appear now to sell 30w (!) ~diode~ lasers, fiber-coupled, approx. the size of cig pack, a few hundy usd. [22:35]
asciilifeform: use yer imagination. they're ~1000nm, ir. [22:35]
* asciilifeform wonders what it could output in msec bursts [22:37]
mircea_popescu: 30w :D [22:41]
asciilifeform: aha. [22:41]
asciilifeform: while not 'death ray', would handily obliterate retinas, cameras, from 100s of metres, puncture tyres, light flammables. [22:43]
asciilifeform: well water is opaque to 1000nm so corneas, not retinas. [22:45]
asciilifeform: but the rest stands.. [22:45]
ben_vulpes: shiny, where? [23:22]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: e.g., ebay [23:23]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: [23:24]
asciilifeform: probably elsewhere. [23:24]
ben_vulpes: yeah super shiny [23:24]
ben_vulpes: used but notbad [23:24]
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