Forum logs for 12 Jan 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: aand in other trilema antiqua, "Your job is to name the source of the image above. Whoever first gets it correctly will receive 1 Bitcoin in prizemoney!" [00:24]
mircea_popescu: PAID, too. [00:24]
mircea_popescu: !!up organdnor [00:26]
deedbot: organdnor voiced for 30 minutes. [00:26]
mircea_popescu: did they take your o ? [00:26]
organdnor: I both thank and greet you [00:26]
organdnor: ever had a really bad feeling about something? [00:26]
mircea_popescu: notreally. why ? [00:26]
organdnor: I guess I am Chicken Little [00:27]
organdnor: Terminator 2 scared the living shit out of me when I was a fucking young un [00:27]
organdnor: I'm not making this up, no exaggeration I'd lie awake at night in the dark and just visualize those two red robot eyes mercilessly coming forward to dismember me with its steel organs [00:28]
mircea_popescu: kinda why the whole "too young to watch movie" trope exists, kids do that. [00:28]
organdnor: I am fully convinced as of this moment that Skynet exists [00:29]
mircea_popescu: which one is that one ? [00:29]
organdnor: the self-educating neural network which Powers the terminators and allows them to access time travel for their assassination requirements [00:29]
organdnor: this shit isn't science fiction anymore [00:30]
mircea_popescu: oh like the borg thing. kay. [00:30]
organdnor: it's going down and nobody gives a fuck nobody puts their phone down nobody gives a fuck this shit could be a matter of years away we're all independent ideas thoughts being poor thinking things that shit's not going to be allowed it's on top of us right now and nobody gives a fuck [00:30]
organdnor: borg ay [00:30]
organdnor: you olde as am i? i dunno in which pop culture vernacular to best align the references [00:31]
organdnor: if you Minds can't even figure the fuck out anything about LSD and the supernatural / paranormal you think just turning this shit over to a fucking robots going to end well? [00:31]
mircea_popescu: anything pre worms works. [00:31]
organdnor: as in like the arcade rug? [00:33]
organdnor: rig [00:33]
mircea_popescu: as in the concordatum wormatiense. [00:33]
organdnor: I have no idea how to speak Italian but the cost of Concordia something like a mother fucker and that was a big fancy boat piloted by a big fancy boat pilot that shit didn't work out [00:33]
organdnor: im learning to talk into my borg-transferral module, beg pardon on bad grammar [00:34]
mircea_popescu: aanyways. [00:35]
organdnor: anyway. [00:35]
trinque: the naked shame of loneliness, eh? [00:36]
organdnor: I'm on the edge of retiring for social media so I thought I'd stick my head into a few more holes and Polk about to see if there isn't any last bit shore shreds of Hope remaining or if it isn't completely [00:36]
organdnor: voluntary loneliness if that may be so [00:36]
trinque: is there such a thing? [00:36]
organdnor: I'm addicted to the Civil War [00:36]
organdnor: fuck yeah there is when everyone's a fucking retard [00:36]
organdnor: American Civil War [00:37]
organdnor: I'm on the board of the friends of Gettysburg [00:37]
mircea_popescu: organdnor that "I" dun mean much currently. who are you, what do you do, etc. [00:38]
organdnor: deep philosophy mr. popescu deep philosophy [00:38]
organdnor: at this point it's 24-7 warzone [00:39]
organdnor: I can't pound these marathon miles in this fucking cold shit so I got to sit around the shit up my ass [00:40]
mircea_popescu: is this vexual ? [00:40]
organdnor: no but that person is pm'ing me [00:40]
organdnor: which is strange but im looking for AI contact or some such science fiction malarkey. is vexual code or flesh? [00:41]
mircea_popescu: just some dood used to spew meaningless nonsense until getting devoiced. [00:41]
organdnor: you ever heard of rokos Basilisk my presumably educated friend? [00:42]
mircea_popescu: !#s basilisk [00:42]
a111: 18 results for "basilisk", [00:42]
mircea_popescu: apparently i have! [00:42]
organdnor: well I have no problem with being devoist, banned, down voted, ignored, denied, mocked, ridiculed, etc ad infinitum [00:43]
organdnor: the ai theory [00:43]
mircea_popescu: try making sense, for a change. who are you. what do you do. start from there. [00:43]
organdnor: im Chris, i work in a sort of unlicensed pharmacy [00:44]
trinque: lol! [00:44]
mircea_popescu: ie, you're chris the cryptocurrency drugdealer/junkie ? [00:44]
organdnor: I have no knowledge of crypto nor any cryptocurrency possession [00:44]
mircea_popescu: mkay. [00:44]
organdnor: I'm a Luddite [00:44]
mircea_popescu: !!rate organdnor chris, the guy whose friend who's not him is the cryptocurrency drugdealer/junkie. [00:45]
mircea_popescu: o wait, no key. dja got a rsa key ? [00:45]
organdnor: ok. well [00:45]
organdnor: this has been "real.". about a third of the channel know me [00:46]
organdnor: I bid you good evening [00:46]
mircea_popescu: errybody knows chris, the movie. [00:46]
asciilifeform: hey danielpbarron , was that one of yer patients..? [00:47]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the scary thought is, "i wonder if naggum'd have fared any better". [00:49]
asciilifeform: better than what [00:50]
asciilifeform: than nuthouse escapee ? [00:50]
mircea_popescu: guy above. [00:50]
mircea_popescu: yes. [00:50]
asciilifeform: i can't picture him, tbh, talking in realtime. sorta like taleb won't [00:50]
asciilifeform: betcha he even played chess only by mail. [00:52]
mircea_popescu: i always thought bbs is what people too poor to afford irc used. [01:05]
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, ya [01:10]
trinque: on second thought, lets not go to efnet. 'tis a silly place. [01:10]
mircea_popescu: wha happened ? [01:11]
mircea_popescu: i thought we were going to that guy's thing anyway, [01:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 17:49 mircea_popescu: i suppose if we get tired of freenode we move to... jollo o.O [01:11]
trinque: I'm just making monty python jokes over here [01:11]
mircea_popescu: lol [01:12]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, where's the logline where you say you'd love nothing more than to put diamond plate flooring in everywhere ? [01:40]
mircea_popescu: found [01:43]
a111: Logged on 2015-06-11 14:44 asciilifeform: if i lived alone, would probably have treadplate put in. as such, wooden floor. only difference in decor accounted for by pet. [01:43]
deedbot: << Trilema - The Moth [02:01]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [09:07]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13853.12, vol: 14787.14062946 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13871.0, vol: 50525.91930146 | Volume-weighted last average: 13866.9518958 [09:07]
shinohai: <<< " Instead of a password the user generates a specific SSL certificate for each device. " [10:52]
shinohai: heh [10:52]
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu [10:54]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [10:54]
* mircea_popescu waves [10:54]
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu ! [10:55]
mircea_popescu: o look! mail! [10:55]
shinohai: gm Sr. Popescu [10:55]
asciilifeform: shinohai: why am i reading this crapola [10:57]
shinohai: To point fingers and laugh at the combination of Ethereum + SSL [10:58]
* BingoBoingo grinding away on paper forms [10:58]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let bb know also, lest he despair in the orc wastes. [10:58]
asciilifeform: ok , 1min [10:58]
asciilifeform: !!key BingoBoingo [11:01]
deedbot: [11:01]
knubie: !!key knubie [11:02]
deedbot: [11:02]
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo [11:03]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [11:03]
BingoBoingo: Bueno [11:04]
asciilifeform: 'the gears grind slowly, but they grind very finely' or how did it go. [11:06]
knubie: least it was an easy job.. =) [11:08]
asciilifeform: knubie: lemme ask straight, who are you , and what exactly are you doing here? [11:09]
knubie: asciilifeform: just a random, and heard about a funny story, so decided to join... [11:09]
asciilifeform: knubie: plz consider doing the 'read logs for 6mo before talking' thing [11:11]
asciilifeform: knubie: your snr is somewhere below the floor. [11:11]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the americircus, <<< >>> ( orig has photoexhibits etc ) [11:13]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 19:13 ben_vulpes: title all really one needs for the day's chuckles [11:13]
asciilifeform: pretty strong moth paint cacodaemon outgassing, even to an old entomologist's nose [11:18]
asciilifeform: !!gettrust knubie [11:24]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections. [11:25]
asciilifeform: hey trinque how come this fella dun show up in wot.deedbot www ? [11:25]
asciilifeform: key born 3d ago 'because heard about funny story'... lolk... [11:29]
lobbes: Upon inspection, a few ratings I've left/received haven't gone through either. Including this one I left for Birdman back in july 0-o >> [11:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 03:14 lobbes: !!rate Birdman 1 valued customer [11:35]
asciilifeform: lobbes: iirc trinque had a hdd crash or the like at one point [11:36]
lobbes: Ah I think I fuzzily recall that from los registros [11:39]
BingoBoingo: In developments thus far, the responsiveness of the current accountant has been a disappointment, an independent accountant has been consulted, and getting ready for an adventure to a less soviet bank. [11:59]
BingoBoingo: Major props go to the girl who manages the coworking space for reading between the lines what took explicit repetition for the accountant. [12:01]
ben_vulpes: << inb4 'bitcoin banned in teh usa' [12:01]
asciilifeform: << moar interesting lul from same fishwrap [12:07]
ben_vulpes: 2-stroke warfare! [12:18]
* ben_vulpes squees [12:18]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the comments on orig post are lulzy, 'we built these in 1980s su as kidz' etc [12:19]
ben_vulpes: yes im sure they had gps waypoint following over the counter in the eighties [12:19]
asciilifeform: the only modern item on these were the radio aha [12:19]
asciilifeform: errything else -- circa '50s [12:19]
ben_vulpes: note that the russkis only nailed the birds because flying too high [12:19]
asciilifeform: well if it gotta go 100km unattended by gps, then where else. [12:20]
ben_vulpes: the asymmetric warfare will continue until the golden toilets are really actually useless [12:20]
ben_vulpes: doesn't have to be that high to get a lock now does it [12:21]
asciilifeform: oblig trilema, re subj [12:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 02:03 asciilifeform: 'Sort-of like the colonial Europeans' expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons. ' [12:21]
ben_vulpes: for travel, yes, sure, but drop down to the treeline on approach like a human wouldja [12:21]
BingoBoingo: But what if GPS gets the trees wrong? [12:22]
asciilifeform: address all complaints to usg dept of state , who sends the model airplane kits to the orcs. [12:23]
ben_vulpes: usg.hobbyking [12:23]
asciilifeform: on own power, camel fuckers have serious problems making, i suspect, ~paper~ airplane. [12:24]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the obvious n00b design mistake is the use of classical fixed-wings. if instead that petrol motor turned a dynamo, and powered (inefficient as may be) electrical multi-copter , a la toy store -- could do such things as following tree-lines etc. [12:29]
trinque: asciilifeform: possible the process that generates that site is upset. I'll look. [12:31]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: classic range/dynamic control tradeoff [12:31]
trinque: lobbes: your ratings are present in deedbot, just looks like that site isn't updating. thanks for pointing it out. [12:31]
trinque: !!reputation Birdman [12:32]
deedbot: [12:32]
ben_vulpes: i suppose the latter factor is more accurately control bandwidth [12:32]
* ben_vulpes will readily admit to being a fan of the petrol quadcopter [12:33]
deedbot: Birdman: [12:35]
lobbes: trinque np! Thanks fer checkin' [12:43]
lobbes: To come back to this question, would alf (or anyone) use a system where you could submit a plaintext list of URLs to bot, and then a few mins later bot would PM you with a link for download?  >> [12:43]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 03:58 a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 18:21 asciilifeform: lobbes: does this mean that you can mirror the whole zip collection nao ? [12:43]
lobbes: Versus a troo 'www mirror' where you'd just download from website  (trying to avoid this route) [12:43]
trinque: ha this walks right back towards the republican-www thread. [12:44]
trinque: lobbes: sounds pretty cool. [12:44]
lobbes: I figure benefits are: no need for 'username/password ' www-login crapola. Also no need to host ALL the zips at once on my VPSen. Can just jettison files on-deman from my archiver craptop to VPS [12:47]
trinque: got the wotsite rebuilding right now. [12:55]
trinque: tomorrow I'm gonna have a nice uninterrupted project day, got the girl sent off with girlfriends [12:56]
trinque: I think I'll get that www regenerating piecemeal in reaction to db changes rather than giant rebuilds at interval, then give the wallet some attention [12:57]
trinque: I know an account history command is in high demand that's at the top of the stack. [12:57]
mircea_popescu: << eh what happened to stock broker / boss man ? [12:59]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 16:09 knubie: asciilifeform: just a random, and heard about a funny story, so decided to join... [12:59]
deedbot: << Trilema - Discordatum Wormatiense [12:59]
mircea_popescu: << laugh ye not, cuz by the time the pantsuit pillar is being gnawed at the ankles... they had ~nothing else, you understand, besides and without "consensus" in the money printing conduits... [13:04]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 16:13 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the americircus, <<< >>> ( orig has photoexhibits etc ) [13:04]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 18:52 asciilifeform: hey, the 'we dun need to win, all we gotta do is print in nyt front page that we did' can carry on right up until the turks come over the city walls [13:04]
mircea_popescu: << the animal was EVEN BIGGER than the famously ginormous [13:06]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 16:18 asciilifeform: pretty strong moth paint cacodaemon outgassing, even to an old entomologist's nose [13:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2nd half of pdfturd is pretty great, internal memos etc , re full-bore gleichschaltung in full swing in all of the major sv saltmines [13:06]
mircea_popescu: aha. [13:07]
mircea_popescu: they got themselves a "culture war" right in the cunt, and it was sensitive and "beyond reach" [13:07]
mircea_popescu: it is* and was supposed to be* [13:07]
mircea_popescu: << the bad guys want to know what the fuck is a mnuchin. like munckin ? [13:08]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:01 ben_vulpes: << inb4 'bitcoin banned in teh usa' [13:08]
ben_vulpes: that's how i pronounce it! [13:09]
asciilifeform: mnu's not unix!11 or wait that was a different fungus [13:09]
ben_vulpes: some joo [13:09]
mircea_popescu: fucking retard. the only bad thing is his ugly face and the idiocy he represents. [13:09]
* ben_vulpes beats sword on shield [13:10]
mircea_popescu: << "DIY" as in / / [13:11]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:07 asciilifeform: << moar interesting lul from same fishwrap [13:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via, the columbus ohio us corp. [13:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-27 22:38 mircea_popescu: teh very respectable southern poverty law center. and i bet you bitcoin to donuts they didn't actually pay jack for it, either. [13:11]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaha, see later in same thread ! [13:11]
mircea_popescu: funny how they never seem to remember who is "the government" whenever ~they~ go around messing with it. how about bad guys === usg don't go around using mnuchin as a hand puppet to finance their bad deeds ? [13:12]
mircea_popescu: << the problem is entirely price with excellent machining you could get a ~10 cc combustion engine that then could make a tiny helicopter, however... cost you a mil per or such nonsense. [13:14]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:33 ben_vulpes will readily admit to being a fan of the petrol quadcopter [13:14]
mircea_popescu: certainly no 1 cc though. [13:15]
asciilifeform: naaah, off-the-shelf readily available from cn [13:15]
asciilifeform: and you dun even need gearing for it: turn dynamo. [13:15]
mircea_popescu: << iirc that was the spec. [13:15]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:43 lobbes: To come back to this question, would alf (or anyone) use a system where you could submit a plaintext list of URLs to bot, and then a few mins later bot would PM you with a link for download?  >> [13:15]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dinamo coils heavy. and you mean off the shelf what, 10cc engine ? [13:15]
asciilifeform: petrol is superior to battery by such ridiculous margin, that it is readily affordable [13:16]
ben_vulpes: folks've lofted 30hp gas quadrotors [13:16]
mircea_popescu: let's get back to it. a) can i buy 10cc engine, off shelf ? b) dinamo needs coils, makes it heavy. [13:17]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes but 30hp! not 50W. [13:17]
* asciilifeform opens catalogue... a 2.74cc 1.0 hp motor , weighs 280g, costs 70bux. [13:17]
asciilifeform: dat's 746 watt. [13:17]
mircea_popescu: wowza. link me ? [13:18]
asciilifeform: [13:18]
mircea_popescu: cheeck the shit out! [13:18]
asciilifeform: picked at random, prolly there are spiffier ones [13:18]
mircea_popescu: turns out i actually misunderstand the limits of materials! [13:19]
asciilifeform: it's ancient tech, too [13:19]
asciilifeform: ( somewhere i have a 1960s catalogue , featuring similar engines weighed a little moar iirc ) [13:19]
mircea_popescu: well, a 300 gram 750 W engine totally can make a chopper fly. [13:19]
mircea_popescu: in fact : 750W at 50% conversion can provide a lot of lift -- if the whole thing it's embedded in is 1kg, your energetic expenditure per meter lift is not even 10J. can do 75m/s theoretically. [13:21]
asciilifeform: entirely. [13:21]
ben_vulpes: related stupid human tricks: [13:21]
asciilifeform: which is why small petrol engine enabled flight to begin with. [13:21]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno now why i thought the limit is a degree of magnitude higher on both energy and size. [13:22]
asciilifeform: to be fair , these do require nitrofuel [13:22]
asciilifeform: ( it doesn't, for obvious reason, scale up ) [13:22]
mircea_popescu: but not a lot of it. [13:22]
asciilifeform: nope. a few 100ml. [13:22]
asciilifeform: for coupla hrs of flight. [13:22]
mircea_popescu: oh that's what it was! the fuel weight! [13:23]
mircea_popescu: see, cuz if you store a liter and something, that's almost a kg. [13:23]
mircea_popescu: still misunderstood, but at least now i know wtf i was thinking. [13:23]
asciilifeform: depending on what the objective is, that kg can do useful work ( say you're to torch something... ) [13:23]
mircea_popescu: sure. [13:24]
mircea_popescu: but yes, the point stands : useful limit of combustion-powered flying machine is more like 5kgs not the 50kgs i originally imagined. [13:25]
asciilifeform: chopper could, theoretically, do 'pinpoint' needlework , that fixwing could not, e.g. limpet onto ~particular~ car [13:25]
mircea_popescu: with good computers. yes. [13:25]
mircea_popescu: << recommended, btw. this is important (tm). [13:25]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 17:59 deedbot: << Trilema - Discordatum Wormatiense [13:25]
* asciilifeform just nao read [13:26]
ben_vulpes: ah that's where the moth scent line came from [13:27]
mircea_popescu: no ? [13:27]
ben_vulpes: trilema generally! [13:27]
mircea_popescu: aok :p [13:28]
mircea_popescu: the proposal is nothing less than to have identified the exact point in history where the pantsuit forked off the chain. [13:29]
asciilifeform: dunno that this is a necessary hypothesis : the shaman who demanded share of mammoth meat for 'getting crocodilegod to barf the sun back out' is item that goes back to prehistory [13:31]
asciilifeform: they've prolly existed longer than scribes, or even archers , or horseman. [13:31]
asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand what is supposed to have begun with the 'concordat' [13:32]
mircea_popescu: notrly, no. [14:00]
mircea_popescu: feudalism was 100% republic, entirely existing as relationships between people, with no regard to anything -- not to the herds of cattle, of any kind, nor to land or weirs of fishing or any other nonsense. [14:00]
mircea_popescu: then the pantsuit centered in rome attempted the bitcoin cash of worms, and it's been going towards building marx's paradise -- a world devoid of any people -- ever since. [14:01]
mircea_popescu: the venue through which the socialist disaster happened happens to be "reason" in a particular pantsuit reinterpretation -- the bitcoin cash of worms introduced "reasonable" basis for taxation on the basis of "land resources", and from there on this non-reason worked its poison into the whole gamut of idiocy on display today. [14:02]
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't have been permitted then, as it's been methodically not permitted in this here republic since inception. [14:02]
asciilifeform: this is interesting and makes sense and imho would make a spiffy trilema article ( sequel to the one from last hr, with the italian film , perhaps ) [14:06]
asciilifeform: which was a bit sanskrity [14:06]
mircea_popescu: it's what i heard, "diaphanous, as in, if you're not familiar with the whole tree of medieval history and social theory, the jumps are a little wide". [14:07]
mircea_popescu: but i dunno what to put in. ie the above three lines -- are already written. what moar! [14:07]
mircea_popescu: i can't re-write a compendium of feudal history ad hoc / [14:07]
* asciilifeform prolly doomed to excavate and read the sourcetexts, like civilized people [14:08]
* mircea_popescu more than willing to answer q's. but unsure how to proceed without. [14:08]
asciilifeform: naah the correct answ is prolly 'do yer bloody homewurk , asciilifeform ' [14:08]
asciilifeform: ... or here's a q. 'worms' had a beginning, neh, at some time prior. where was this beginning, who first demanded 'reasonable taxations' , where [14:09]
asciilifeform: seems like a straight archaeological matter. [14:10]
mircea_popescu: it was a sad vulnerable moment, incidentally. ever heard ye of hugh "magnus" (ie, le maisne in french, literally, "lesser born") ? [14:10]
asciilifeform: sounds familiar [14:10]
mircea_popescu: brother of sitting king of france, went on crusade BECAUSE SAW MOON ECLIPSE. [14:10]
mircea_popescu: literally, that was his thought process, "o look, astronomical phenomenon ergo i buy a car now." [14:10]
asciilifeform: and bush-II went on crusade because 'wmd', lel [14:10]
asciilifeform: was it a cause-'because' or an astrological-justificatory-'because' [14:11]
mircea_popescu: so he ends up shipwrecked in the lands of anna's father, alexios. you know the whore, anna, yes ? [14:11]
asciilifeform: aha [14:11]
mircea_popescu: ok. and the father takes them in hand and rapes them around discreetely, yes. you know, like us presidents are invited at banquets but "can't go there sir". [14:12]
mircea_popescu: without an army, or any resources, or you know, the forethought to have at the very least packed up that eclipse for later, hugh understands the precarity of his position, and so is a great supporter of the byzantine king. [14:12]
mircea_popescu: and he tries to sell this to godfrey of bouillon, who was a lord at the time. this doesn't mean "rich" or "powerful" or any pantsuit nonsense of today, trying to explain exactly why it shouldn't be the case you even try. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: no, godefroy was naught else than a man. as per that shaw description, "the panache" etc. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: and godefroy says, "look at you, fool, you had your own sovereign crown (hugh was an earl, at the time this was sovereign) but had to come here and became a slave for it, and now try to sell me on it as if it were some great progress ?" [14:14]
mircea_popescu: to which hugh explains something like "well, what's done it's done, what can we do" [14:14]
mircea_popescu: does ~this~ count as a "beginning" then ? that men who can't think end up doing ? [14:15]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:13 mircea_popescu: "# We use c=0.005 which has been experimentally found to be optimal in processing time for common PC under MS Windows and values of k of practical interest. A different c value may be desirable for use in different computing environments." << check it out asciilifeform ! IT IS SATOSHI ALL OVER AGAIN. why. WHY!!! [14:15]
asciilifeform: the worrisome aspect imho is that sanity is -- apparently -- fragile, while idiocy -- ratcheting/cumulative [14:15]
mircea_popescu: for what it's worth i see no difference whatsoever between the above eclipse of reasoning and say "if i make it what i think it should be -- it crashes". [14:16]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, re taxation : item as a notion didn't even exist in 1100s. payment across hierarchy had an entirely different substance. [14:16]
asciilifeform: no real diff, aside possibly from the 'linear vs superlinear' hypothesis [14:16]
mircea_popescu: "taxation" is what pantsuit rendering of homage is, so as to depersonalize it. [14:17]
asciilifeform: but post-worms 'resources' taxation scheme -- infectious [14:17]
asciilifeform: superlinear!11 [14:17]
mircea_popescu: only in that it's always easier to be female than male. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: that's the great advantage of the homosexual bottom : even a broomstick can fill it. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: easy peasy. [14:17]
asciilifeform: that wouldn't explain why it spread suddenly, like forest fire, at a particular moment [14:18]
asciilifeform: hm did we ever do 'tin pest' thread ? [14:18]
mircea_popescu: i dunno anything about it was sudden. [14:20]
mircea_popescu: took what, 500 years to westphalia, "nation state" ie, "the LAND is the item, people just ants on it" [14:20]
mircea_popescu: but the notion of a countCY, and OF X!!!, as opposed to THE count himself is very much redolent of the rotl. [14:21]
asciilifeform: other q, how far is this from the roman system [14:21]
mircea_popescu: which is why republican lordship is personal whereas pantsuit notion of peerage is "location based". [14:21]
mircea_popescu: which roman system. [14:21]
asciilifeform: late roman. [14:22]
mircea_popescu: the system which built rome is : in the winter we sit around , in the summer we go rape the idiots, take their shit, melt it down, split it in equal trophies and give one to each man. [14:22]
asciilifeform: nah that'd be young rome [14:22]
mircea_popescu: it's unclear altogether if late rome had a system at all this is a matter open to much scholarly debate. [14:22]
asciilifeform: that's the q, are we looking at what amounts to a sov rtg misplaced in the arctic and sawed open by chukcha. [14:23]
asciilifeform: i.e. a resurrection of the item that killed rome. [14:23]
mircea_popescu: well, it was said in these logs and it's still true that rome is well summarized by observing some people built some benches in a park somewhere and spent a millenium thenceforth sorting out who should sit where on them. [14:35]
asciilifeform: that'd be the elementary 'petri dish full' endgame then. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: in this sense sure, original rome as the patrician class with its clientelar syste was "checked" ie infected with doom-ruin by the imbecile plebs, resulting in the creation of the plebs tribune (ironically, the ~reason~ later emperor was sacrosanct -- he was also the tribune of plebs) [14:36]
trinque: there'll be a brief wallet outage starting now. doing some network fiddling. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: so if you prefer the reference, there will be no lenatus compromise and no fucking lex publilia. [14:38]
asciilifeform: !!up topor [14:40]
deedbot: topor voiced for 30 minutes. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: but note that the original reason there (the romans ~actually needed~ the plebs, to fight the volsci / latins) is no longer present. we absolutely and emphatically do not need mok-shen's "common people" for any purpose. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: in fact, we need to NOT have them. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: (the original "i'm a little bit country / i'm a little bit rock'n'roll" fairitale was told by lenatus to the plebs of 500bc, btw.) [14:42]
asciilifeform: topor: who might you be ? [14:43]
topor: trilema&bitcoin fan [14:45]
mircea_popescu: !!up Covale` [14:46]
deedbot: Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. [14:46]
asciilifeform: oh hey finally a nonfalse cognate ! [14:46]
asciilifeform: топор. [14:47]
mircea_popescu: !# coada de topor [14:47]
mircea_popescu: !#s coada de topor [14:47]
a111: 1 result for "coada de topor", [14:47]
asciilifeform: apparently not so 'trilema fan' that he can keep a socket open, lol [14:47]
mircea_popescu: literally, axe handle. [14:47]
Covale`: oh, hey. in other news, or how it goes... :)) [14:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be a топорище . [14:48]
mircea_popescu: toporisca is diminutive topor! [14:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: normally -ище is... sort ~opposite~ of dimunitive. but in this case is the haft. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: also, om din topor, man of the axe, how you say redneck. [14:49]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect romanian is mostly dedicated to not getting any imported words right. [14:50]
asciilifeform: Covale`: i read , and laughed, and thought 'the onion', but apparently they have a working funnel, and it actually collected a bit of shitcoin [14:50]
mircea_popescu: gotta seed the chumpatron neh ? [14:51]
Covale`: asciilifeform, well of the hundreds of ICOs popping up everywhere these days, so far this one is THE :)) [14:51]
mircea_popescu: Covale` you made this ? [14:51]
Covale`: mircea_popescu, a friend linked it to me earlier for the lols [14:52]
mircea_popescu: that's nice. now go read the logs / do useful shit. the lols part is the worst place for kids to start immitating. [14:52]
Covale`: speaking of that, what Linux distro would you generally recommend for... n00bs so to say ? [15:08]
knubie: !!up Covale` [15:17]
deedbot: Covale` voiced for 30 minutes. [15:17]
trinque: Covale`: go build your own gentoo box shed the noob hymen [15:27]
Covale`: hah, yeah, I looked through the logs and stumbled upon that discussion actually [15:28]
trinque: !!balance [15:28]
deedbot: [15:28]
trinque: ^ wallet maintenance is over, wiring less offensive to the operator [15:29]
trinque: lmk if anyone has a problem. [15:29]
asciilifeform: trinque: where did the putting-the-user's-nick-in-all-replies item go ? [15:29]
trinque: I'm for it, will get done at some point. [15:30]
asciilifeform: aite [15:30]
asciilifeform: ( imho it is theRightThing , i even made sure it worked in pehbot before letting it run in public ) [15:30]
trinque: sure [15:31]
* trinque has a nice command-lib where it'll go [15:31]
BingoBoingo: And it turns out the State's bank is the far less soviet option. [15:49]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because of the my passport handicap up to three days will be lost to FACTA. After that another 2-5 business days and they I should be banked. [15:53]
BingoBoingo: Also the datacenter came up with a connection for importing SuperMicro servers [15:56]
trinque: hey, cool! [15:56]
mod6: right on [15:57]
BingoBoingo: Venuezalan translator girl I've been taking spanish lessons from (300 pesos or ~10 USD/hr) was paid 20 USD/hr for translation services by peeling bills off of the gangsta roll. [16:00]
BingoBoingo: Venezualan girl was very shocked by how comparatively pleasant this experience was with her other local banking experience given how much the locals verbally shit on it [16:21]
BingoBoingo: << Blame the paint smell on "Low VOC" envirowhiners [16:38]
BingoBoingo: Gloss and semigloss exterior paints were the single worst smelling class of products at the Home Despot. [16:38]
BingoBoingo: Gloss and semigloss exterior paints were the single worst smelling class of products at the Home Despot. [16:40]
BingoBoingo: Sorry I meant to drop out of the buffer: “It was one of the few places where the students had questions, but they tended to be about who pays us to be tourists.” [16:42]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in one particular pantsuitistan, << for expert entomologists only >> 'University of Maryland ... The senate proposed that the committee lower the burden of proof in cases from clear and convincing to a preponderance of the evidence, which means that it's more likely than not a code violation occurred. ' [17:40]
asciilifeform: and in particular 'In light of recent hate bias incidents on the campus, the committee decided to remove "Intentionally and substantially interfering with the freedom of expression of others" as a listed prohibited conduct as it sends the "wrong message," said Director of Student Conduct Andrea Goodwin.' [17:40]
lobbes: ""Dragan said. "The old code … was very difficult to understand, and I feel like that was unfair to the students to give them a document that wasn't easy to read and hadn't been updated since prior to their birth."" [18:36]
lobbes: "Oh noes!! May have to LEARN something in University!" [18:36]
lobbes: This reminds me of a quote somewhere in logs, went something like "US education just hands kids a deck of 'beliefs', 'principles', 'truths', etc says: pick one or two. Battle each other like in ur pokemans" [18:47]
mircea_popescu: << what's passports got to do with anything ? [18:53]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 20:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because of the my passport handicap up to three days will be lost to FACTA. After that another 2-5 business days and they I should be banked. [18:53]
mircea_popescu: local company is a person in law if item you have is not a person in law, you have not registered a company if it is -- IT opens bank acct. [18:54]
mircea_popescu: but in no case is your passport involved in the workings of this item. [18:54]
mircea_popescu: to reiterate -- whole point of the entire exercise is to publicly, paifully BREAK the usg system, and to humiliate the united states government in the process. [18:54]
mircea_popescu: an "alternative funnel" is not an acceptable substitute for breakage. [18:55]
mircea_popescu: << the "Right message" being "maryland is rapemeat reservation" or wut exactly. [18:59]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 22:40 asciilifeform: and in particular 'In light of recent hate bias incidents on the campus, the committee decided to remove "Intentionally and substantially interfering with the freedom of expression of others" as a listed prohibited conduct as it sends the "wrong message," said Director of Student Conduct Andrea Goodwin.' [18:59]
mircea_popescu: << especially the notion that there's any point in even reading items younger than you. here's a pro tip : before dante's middle-of-the-forest, do not waste your time reading anything younger than you, there's absolutely no point and no benefit. [19:00]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 23:36 lobbes: ""Dragan said. "The old code … was very difficult to understand, and I feel like that was unfair to the students to give them a document that wasn't easy to read and hadn't been updated since prior to their birth."" [19:00]
lobbes: Aha, found that thread I was thinking of>> [19:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 12:32 mircea_popescu: today it's "here's a deck of representational trading cards, pick one to think you are, and we'll be reprersenting... the card!!! and therefore (?!?!?) you". [19:03]
mircea_popescu: word. [19:03]
mircea_popescu: incidentally re , check out what wikipedia stole : ! [19:09]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 19:08 asciilifeform prolly doomed to excavate and read the sourcetexts, like civilized people [19:09]
mircea_popescu: actually not even bad! [19:09]
asciilifeform: almost surprising it hasn't been 'disneyated' [19:09]
mircea_popescu: i don't have the original here to check against it so it's not a certainty, but it doesn't seem to have been. [19:10]
asciilifeform: << somewhat worrisome, BingoBoingo ~might~ have stepped on the 'who is principal man of this corp? oh hey, it's a usg slave, nao we, quisling orcs, gotta report him' mine [19:10]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 23:53 mircea_popescu: << what's passports got to do with anything ? [19:10]
mircea_popescu: work with better orcs is the whole of the idea. [19:11]
asciilifeform: aha. [19:11]
asciilifeform: i'ma let BingoBoingo answer this one, i have only minimal clue re what he did. [19:11]
mircea_popescu: 0 value in building "secure" isp on alt-flavour of usgtronic pressed shitboard. [19:11]
mircea_popescu: for the same money might as well ask "Director of Student Conduct Andrea Goodwin" what she thinks republican expression should look like. [19:13]
asciilifeform: it's prolly not too late for BingoBoingo to unstep on the mine if he had in fact stepped. [19:13]
mircea_popescu: learning exercise, hey. [19:13]
phf: << ding ding ding [19:16]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 19:15 asciilifeform: the worrisome aspect imho is that sanity is -- apparently -- fragile, while idiocy -- ratcheting/cumulative [19:16]
mircea_popescu: i dunno what's so worrying about this, honestly. shit also cumulative, while good food fragile. doesn't seem to alter the table arrangements of my house or any one i care to know of. [19:17]
phf: hmm, i suspect myself and ascii are products of soviet background. we expect there to not be shit also outside the castle walls (no shit in all the new soviet man's households by year 1956!) [19:18]
mircea_popescu: what are the walls for then ? [19:18]
mircea_popescu: like quaint anachronism ? [19:19]
asciilifeform: place to hang carpet!11 [19:19]
phf: yeah, atavisms at best, museum pieces from the past, non-civilized, yccles in the marxist-leninist theory of cyclical historical development [19:19]
phf: *cycles [19:20]
mircea_popescu: what is the meaning of "ascension" in this context, if it isn't literally "i picked a chick out of the river of shit" ? [19:20]
mircea_popescu: some kind of "she chose to work really hard and make something of her life went to school to get ny journaho job" ? [19:21]
phf: there's no place for transcendent in a five year plan [19:23]
mircea_popescu: so how are juniors produced in this system ? [19:23]
mircea_popescu: (i thought the story of my rescuing a transylvanian naked neck chick drowning in the sty effluvia was written somewhere -- apparently not. aanyways.) [19:24]
asciilifeform: it was tho [19:25]
asciilifeform: iirc it is in the log [19:25]
mircea_popescu: was it ? [19:25]
mircea_popescu: hm. [19:25]
asciilifeform: hm possibly it was a trilema [19:26]
mircea_popescu: i just went through this marxist-leninist cycle myself [19:26]
asciilifeform: << found [19:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 17:30 mircea_popescu: when i was about six or so, visiting some relatives who had a farm, i discovered a romanian bareneck (kind of chicken) chick drowning in the sty efflux. so i picked it out, and it was a pet for a year or so and then made a great soup. rooster, too. [19:26]
mircea_popescu: o ty! [19:26]
phf: actually i think in soviet system they were produced by going further distance from moscow. the whole soviet engineer model of economic expansion: send a group of leveled up moscovites to khanty-mansiyks to build a factory and a hospital [19:29]
phf: pluck some locals that seem like they have a head of some sort, send them back to moscow for education, repeat [19:29]
mircea_popescu: so is this a shit-denying&seeking schizo duality or what then ? [19:29]
asciilifeform: such civ1 [19:29]
mircea_popescu: you know they're still walls when you're too poor and unskilled to make them out of stone and rely on sheer distances to supplant the actual construction. [19:30]
asciilifeform: distances , in place like ru, are chea [19:30]
asciilifeform: p [19:30]
mircea_popescu: while that lasts. [19:30]
mircea_popescu: they're also unreliable, western devils and their skateboardin' on the iron sidewalks. [19:30]
phf: well, i'm also not sure which imperative i'm representing here, but i'm humoring the dynamic [19:31]
asciilifeform: historically distance makes considerably better walls, than walls. [19:31]
mircea_popescu: i thought you were just being a nightknight. [19:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is so! quality wall--is horizontal. for they who can afford to pay. [19:31]
asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's experimental chicken farm : asciilifeform was amazed at the popularity of the backyard chicken in timis [19:36]
asciilifeform: just half hour's march from center of town -- and they begin to appear [19:36]
mircea_popescu: what dog is to boy, hen is to woman, throughout history and geography, from africa to suffolk and so on. [19:36]
asciilifeform: worm-to-food converter, eh [19:36]
asciilifeform: not bad deal [19:36]
mircea_popescu: i dunno there's a closer item. [19:36]
phf: chickens are incredibly easy to care for. two of three every summer in summer house [19:36]
phf: *we had [19:37]
asciilifeform: i missed out on this [19:37]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not just also sorta cheap toy, and clock, and it hurrs at itself to tell itself "All is well" and many things. [19:37]
asciilifeform: very muchly clock. [19:37]
mircea_popescu: part of the reason i despise the bright minds behind "seti" is -- fucktards managed to put no chicken in there ? really ? [19:37]
mircea_popescu: they have no fucking idea. [19:37]
asciilifeform: quite possibly the bird was 1 of the ingredients of euro civ , vs the monkeys [19:38]
asciilifeform: *key ingredients [19:38]
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : henry's populist programme for england was build around "one chicken for every pot each week" [19:38]
asciilifeform: and of china, and nao that i think about it everybody worth half a shit [19:38]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one point this was actual usg propaganda slogan ( during greatdepression ) [19:39]
asciilifeform: 'chicken for every pot' [19:39]
mircea_popescu: there's also an interesting property, whereby every domestic also has its parasite (obviously). cow has tb. goat has scabies. on it goes. chicken -- salmonella. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: much better, in that it either kills or doesn't kill, but doesn't ~degrade~. [19:39]
mircea_popescu: this is no small matter. [19:39]
asciilifeform: 'in every pot we'll have a chicken, but, herbert hoover, you forgot: not only don't we have a chicken, we ain't got the pot!' (tm)(r) [19:39]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. [19:39]
asciilifeform: i thought cow had brucellosis [19:40]
mircea_popescu: well, obviously there's a whole train, and anthrax and whatnot. but the civilisation-shaping one, was oftica. [19:40]
asciilifeform: ( still a puzzle to me what the natural reservoir of brucellosis is ) [19:40]
mircea_popescu: snails afaik. [19:41]
asciilifeform: interesting [19:41]
mircea_popescu: shit on grass cow eats, so on. [19:41]
mircea_popescu: (note that it was only recently invented/discovered.) [19:41]
asciilifeform: sufficiently nasty item that it was considered ( and possibly taken up ) for warhead [19:42]
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why, even tetracycline will kill it. [19:42]
asciilifeform: well the weaponization programmes all featured resistance-selection [19:43]
mircea_popescu: good luck lol. [19:44]
asciilifeform: ( which , if it had worked, would make for some quite epic 'own goals' ) [19:44]
mircea_popescu: "oh this is a resistant strain --- 1.5 generations."" [19:44]
mircea_popescu: "that does... absolutely nohing ?" "it passes the tests!" [19:44]
asciilifeform: what actually happens is (mega-seekrit!) : virulence loss. [19:44]
mircea_popescu: anyways. [19:44]
asciilifeform: which is why the biowarheads went out of style. ( and not from pantsuitism/activism 'inhumanity' wankage , as commonly thought ) [19:44]
mircea_popescu: are you seriously sitting there and telling me that the pantsuit are 100% ineffectual and ineffective and the reason something isn't a weapon is that something not working as one ? DO WE STILL HAVE TO DO THIS ?~!?!? IN 2018?!?!?! [19:45]
asciilifeform: lol [19:45]
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy. [19:45]
mircea_popescu: the problem with your views is that they priviledge the speed of light over other speeds much more important to luce irigaray. [19:46]
mircea_popescu: such as for instance the speed of print. [19:46]
asciilifeform: and in contravention of university of maryland code of lol! [19:47]
mircea_popescu: new york times general relativity much better -- "it's relatively free speech fundamentalism". [19:47]
mircea_popescu: see ? [19:47]
asciilifeform: verily. [19:52]
phf: dat damore complaint [21:13]
mircea_popescu: 27. Damore’s immediate supervisor was Cristian Tapus (“Tapus”). Tapus reports to Chuck [22:42]
mircea_popescu: Wu (“Wu”), Senior Director of Engineering for Google. Wu, in turn, reports to Ari Balogh [22:42]
mircea_popescu: (“Balogh”), Vice President of Engineering at Google. Balogh reports to Sridhar Ramaswamy [22:42]
mircea_popescu: (“Ramaswamy), the Senior Vice President of GPI and Ads. Ramaswamy, in turn, reports to Sundar [22:42]
mircea_popescu: Pichai (CEO of Google), who ultimately reports to Larry Page (CEO of Alphabet). [22:42]
mircea_popescu: if this isn't from the soviet days i have nfi wut. [22:42]
mircea_popescu: "They then mentioned that Google’s racial and gender preferences in hiring were not up for debate, because this was morally and economically the best thing to do for Google." << explanation of why it's sinking then left for whoever will pick up the pieces. the carly fiorinas only wreck corps to fuel failed political bids, they dun build shit or do the cleanup work. [22:46]
mircea_popescu: another two pages eaten of that crap, another time i close the page. fucking lunatics. [22:47]
mircea_popescu: but whatever, they wanna impale themselves on rusty rebar, it's their priviledge. [22:48]
mircea_popescu: if your iq is over 90, going to work for google is the morally and economically wrong thing to do. [22:56]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a massively effective tard-selector on the intake end -- the part where ~100% of the 'high' pay of west usa slave goes to pay for roach flat shared with 3 other d00dz [22:58]
asciilifeform: and it ain't exactly seekrit [22:58]
mircea_popescu: well, by the time only coolies fresh off the indian boat will take your "great job"... [22:59]
asciilifeform: formerly they preyed on the young folx [23:00]
mircea_popescu: us is this very good producer of dumb young'uns on account of its desperately inept fambly anxiety. [23:01]
mircea_popescu: but, to quote discussion of some crisis in the past, "even that is not boundless". [23:01]
asciilifeform: aha. they hired them straight from school, for substantially abovemarket rate, and then hamstrung'em [23:01]
mircea_popescu: !!up bonobo [23:19]
deedbot: bonobo voiced for 30 minutes. [23:19]
bonobo: i hate roger ver =( [23:19]
mircea_popescu: who might you be ? [23:20]
bonobo: shivatek [23:20]
mircea_popescu: what's that ? [23:21]
bonobo: it's my other nickname, and english is not my native language [23:22]
mircea_popescu: this is a piss poor introduction. [23:22]
bonobo: haha [23:22]
bonobo: I do not want to bother you , but I'm frustrated, today I discussed with a guy 4 hours to make him understand who is Roger [23:24]
mircea_popescu: seriously, not everything can be winged. you're not that special, and you sure as fuck aren't interesting. go put more effort into being presentable. [23:24]
mircea_popescu: !!down bonobo [23:24]
mircea_popescu: orc schools used to teach the orc children some basics in this vein, "if you ever end up in the company of human beings, as unlikely as that blessed occurence may be for something that crawled out of that whore of your mother, HERE IS WHAT TO DO AND NOT DO." [23:25]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 00:29 phf: pluck some locals that seem like they have a head of some sort, send them back to moscow for education, repeat [23:25]
mircea_popescu: i guess they've given up. [23:25]
phf: [23:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 04:17 phf: back then su was pumping resources into india, but according to su economic strategy that mostly resulted in factories and hospitals. now americans are pumping resources, but that mostly results in moar mcdonalds. so naturally men with long memories are testy [23:34]
mircea_popescu: it also results in a crazy appetite for gold jewelry, and some inept real estate development. [23:36]
mircea_popescu: hruschebas at least make engineering sense in ONE paradigm the idiotic "modern" pantsuitism, don't. [23:36]
phf: !!up bitleaks [23:50]
deedbot: bitleaks voiced for 30 minutes. [23:50]
phf: oh ffs [23:50]
mircea_popescu: he just got told off a moment ago. [23:50]
phf: !!down bitleaks [23:51]
phf: yeah, i quickly noticed the masterful disguise :> [23:51]
shinohai: Much like btcvixens [23:56]
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