Forum logs for 11 Aug 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
ben_vulpes: for all the inca-wreckage in my life, few of the wrecked are willing to realize the root of their distress. [00:02]
ben_vulpes: and you know, "if i ain't fuckin you, i ain't fixin your head neither" [00:02]
BingoBoingo: Eh, more an exercise in reading Trilema in IRL [00:14]
mircea_popescu: few of the wrecked are willing to realize the root of their distress << the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making sliding in easy to do and pulling out easy to forget. [00:48]
ben_vulpes: hey erlehmann i have a grammar project for ya: [01:12]
mircea_popescu: loller [01:21]
mircea_popescu: i'm vaguely curious if/when guy manages to escape his worm form. [01:22]
mircea_popescu: so far rather headed down the adlai chute i guess. [01:22]
mircea_popescu: but, in other applied twistodynamics, [01:23]
deedbot: << Trilema - A New Leaf [02:48]
BingoBoingo: !!u[ scatha [05:49]
BingoBoingo: !!up scatha [05:49]
deedbot: scatha voiced for 30 minutes. [05:49]
mircea_popescu: aaand in other tor lulz, guess what is "", other than of course the "partner" of pretty much every irc network out there, from freenode to snoonet. [11:30]
asciilifeform: the screamingly obvious? [11:42]
shinohai: iirc they also donated hosting for tardstalk or something like that [11:42]
asciilifeform: pestilential spamvertise, also [11:43]
mircea_popescu: awww. [12:00]
shinohai: Heh I missed this lulzy anonymint trb writeup [12:16]
ben_vulpes: dns is good for you: [12:39]
asciilifeform: runmoarGit [12:40]
ben_vulpes: and, and, and. [12:41]
ben_vulpes: in reading some commentary on seattle's new tax on the rich, i learn that a sales tax is regressive because rich people pay a smaller fraction of their income in taxes than poors [12:54]
mircea_popescu: lmao [12:55]
ben_vulpes: another funny tidbit is that a) anything other than a flat tax is strictly constitutionally prohibited in washington and b) 33.65.030: "A county, city, or city-county shall not levy a tax on net income." [12:58]
ben_vulpes: gonna paraphrase here, "we're sure that when the supreme court hears about how our schools are so terribly underfunded they'll reconsider their ruling on the consitutionality of this tax" [12:59]
ben_vulpes: har har har [12:59]
mircea_popescu: lmao [13:03]
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this supposed to work even. [13:03]
ben_vulpes: well if they say it enough and if enough people vote for it surely it will become the new law [13:10]
ben_vulpes: that's how laws work right? [13:10]
ben_vulpes: we and it happens? [13:11]
mircea_popescu: epic. [13:18]
trinque: how did seattle pull this off before portland? [13:37]
mircea_popescu: more faggots. [13:37]
trinque: the "arts tax" bureaucratic infrastructure already there [13:37]
trinque: yeah I guess by mass, if not proportion [13:37]
mircea_popescu: lol [13:38]
mircea_popescu: shinohai looks like he's trying to grok it all. [13:42]
ben_vulpes: trinque: i wouldn't go so far as to say they pulled it off [13:42]
* asciilifeform found subj ~unreadable -- on account of the sheer qty of wtf redditolade priors baked in [13:43]
mircea_popescu: summary : he's trying to make sense of the political posturing of fiat entities, arrives at the conclusion that bitmain is buying the worthless clone with bitcoin it intends to doublespend away from the silly buyers later on. [13:44]
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be trhe first time usg's criminal entreprise front pulled this scam. [13:44]
mircea_popescu: for instance : usg released a convicted felon / ndrngheta man (sony vleisides) for the purpose of pulling a "we build asic miners" scam in bitcoin to buy nsa enough time to make some themselves. [13:45]
mircea_popescu: this got called out, and in order to "silence" it, josh zerlan went around making "bets" on "betting sites" about how bfl will deliver. [13:45]
mircea_popescu: when bitbet blew a ~1k hole through this plan, they paid luke-jr a pittance to falsely claim they had delivered to him. [13:45]
asciilifeform: oh the lukejr thing [13:45]
mircea_popescu: ayup. [13:46]
mircea_popescu: exactly the same play. oh, we "buy" bitcoin crash. if it takes, it's good. if it doesn't take, guess what, segwit unroll later. [13:46]
mircea_popescu: kinda how the two neurons left in the whale work. [13:46]
asciilifeform: incidentally what's the derpchain block interval these days [13:47]
mircea_popescu: now, if this is the plan it's not a very good one (you can bury a segwit tx into legitimate spending which is deep enough to not be practically reorg-able) but anyway [13:47]
ben_vulpes: isn't the practicality of reorg a function of segwitolade sum? [13:48]
mircea_popescu: but then again usg fronts don't need a good plan, they just need A PLAN. something, at all. idiots don't read. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and block depth. if you make segwit tx a to me at height 1 and i put it into a normal tx at block 2, i can spend it from block 3 as my bitcoin, the segwitnmess is gone out of it. to steal it from me, one has to rewind all the way to block 1 again. which is possible, but expensive as the chain builds. [13:49]
mircea_popescu: moreover, this is no different from any other rewind : if a long chain is orphaned a number of txn are reversed thereby. [13:50]
asciilifeform: did we ever do the 'processing reorgs requires extending some credit to allcomers' thread ? [13:50]
mircea_popescu: as part in the "bitcoin needs rewrite" thread. [13:51]
asciilifeform: aha possibly [13:51]
asciilifeform: can't seem to find it in l0g [13:51]
mircea_popescu: i mean -- not specifically, implicit in ~. [13:51]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the substantial weakness segwit adds to bitcoin chain security is that witout it, one needs the power to unwind the chain AND the keys of old txn to steal bitcoin. whereas with it, one only needs the hash power, as anyone can spend the segwit shit. [13:52]
mircea_popescu: so in this sense it makes securing the chain more expensive, which is a legitimate 2nd goal of usg. [13:53]
asciilifeform: the 3rd goal is to make the 'softfork' liquishit ' a necessity ' somehow, to harden it [13:54]
asciilifeform: 'It Would Be Wrong if indeed anyone-could-spend' etc [13:54]
mircea_popescu: right, maybe there's some color-of-bits finally imported into bitcoin this way ? please ? so usg can still has a point in world ? [13:55]
asciilifeform: and ultimately to cement in place the practice of imposing nonbitcointronic constraints on what is spendable. [13:55]
asciilifeform: aha, that. [13:55]
deedbot: << Trilema - A story about Romania that's totally not about anything else. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: anyway, 0 shits given, becoming "more subtle" does not help the cattle empire. if the blunt didn't work, the sharp is a lulz. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: << this comprehensible to anyone ? [14:01]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:55 deedbot: << Trilema - A story about Romania that's totally not about anything else. [14:01]
asciilifeform: quite comprehensible [14:01]
asciilifeform: i just finished eating it [14:01]
asciilifeform: ( currently eating some of the vintage ro links therein ) [14:02]
mircea_popescu: it irks me that over time, the points made need ever more words AND STILL the jumps/gaps have to grow. fucking radial problem. [14:02]
BingoBoingo: Bigger radial problem for the spooks [14:03]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there moar re the monk d00d somewhere ? [14:03]
asciilifeform: the one with the attic cache [14:03]
BingoBoingo: "Oh the people NSA hired to read trilema in 2013 moved on to management and these new interns gotta start over" [14:04]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, he was bishop of cluj and nearly ended up patriarch [14:12]
mircea_popescu: (they stole the election). [14:12]
asciilifeform: from what did he die? [14:13]
asciilifeform: contract ? [14:13]
mircea_popescu: old age. [14:13]
asciilifeform: aah [14:13]
mircea_popescu: i knjow. he lived in my city. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, guy prayed he survive to complete translation of testament. did so. died thereafter. [14:14]
mircea_popescu: (was 90 yo) [14:14]
asciilifeform: translation to what [14:14]
mircea_popescu: romanian. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, because a succession of these since the 1970s, there's much better ro testaments than say en.) [14:21]
mircea_popescu: since the 1700s i mean. [14:21]
asciilifeform: en is stuck in 1600s [14:21]
asciilifeform: ( the best-selling ver is, i shit thee not, by king james ) [14:22]
mircea_popescu: no, i know. [14:22]
mircea_popescu: anyway. his ro "diortosire" is a very well illuminated source, as to the original material, and if one speaks ro one benefits from reading it even if one can also read the septuagint in original. [14:28]
mircea_popescu: (contrary to the naive expectation, common attic fluency is not achieved throgh "knowing the words". there is no such knowing.) [14:30]
asciilifeform: waiwat [14:34]
mircea_popescu: which part ? [14:34]
asciilifeform: 'knowing the words' [14:34]
mircea_popescu: the latin approach to language is "word is symbol for its definition". [14:35]
mircea_popescu: greek doesn't have this. [14:35]
mircea_popescu: a greek word is "what is left out of the space of all possible meanings once all the meanings interdicted by the other words have been removed". [14:35]
mircea_popescu: very different thing altogether. [14:36]
asciilifeform: lol greek as lisp [14:36]
mircea_popescu: it is. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down. [14:37]
asciilifeform: street (vs ecclesiastic) humanlangs sadly dun work like this [14:37]
asciilifeform: ask the esperantists. [14:37]
mircea_popescu: common attic was never much of a street lang. [14:37]
mircea_popescu: kinda why medieval greek separated from it, leading to today's lang. [14:37]
ag3nt_zer0: Good Morn Trilema [14:41]
mircea_popescu: ello [14:41]
ag3nt_zer0: Attempting an Ubuntu install of Eulora here... coupla questions if anyone can help: [14:42]
mircea_popescu: prolly best in #eulorqa. [14:43]
mircea_popescu: #eulora. [14:43]
ag3nt_zer0: ahhh yes [14:43]
ag3nt_zer0: ty.. [14:43]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, apparently 90% of reddit advertising is bitcoin-scams, bitcoin-alts, i-cant-believe-it's-not-bitcoins and other such nonsense. [15:08]
mircea_popescu: whodda thunk tardstalk can take over the entire pantsuit forum ? [15:09]
mircea_popescu: apple could buy russia, if you're drunk and all the russians go to space meanwhile bitcoin bought america. [15:09]
deedbot: << Trilema - Because that's just how things are! [15:27]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy, ye olde curtisyarvin 'if it could dent statusquo, Mother Church would pray it away' nonsense marches on [16:08]
mircea_popescu: aha [16:17]
mircea_popescu: that dude's a fine example of usgistani ersatz. he hangs out in "personal finance" talking about finance, all the while his worldview is purely soviet socialism, command economy etc. [16:18]
mircea_popescu: kinda why the country is doomed, not strictly speaking because "educators" who literally think the shamanic traditions of africa / sitting around in a circle chanting count nor because they "produce" "goods" that are literal painted paper like the rocks on a theatrical stage. [16:19]
mircea_popescu: but because rank and file everyday tard is entirely incapable of even representing a working economy. [16:19]
mircea_popescu: "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?" [16:19]
asciilifeform: and not wholly unrelatedly, << libcurl 0d [16:20]
mircea_popescu: guess what... "I don't see the appeal of startups at all. I have never been a gambler. big companies allow me to get paid well while not really doing much work A++" [16:20]
asciilifeform: ( not 1st time, either, see ) [16:21]
a111: Logged on 2016-02-17 21:08 asciilifeform: (the folks who laughed when i said 'no curl on trb build box' - still laughing ?) [16:21]
mircea_popescu: joins the rank of "websites" offline. [16:22]
asciilifeform: << holy SHIT that's a lengthy buglist for a proggy that... loads http and puts to stdout [16:25]
asciilifeform: ( i.e. undergrad 1st term homework ) [16:25]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo [17:19]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [17:19]
deedbot: << Qntra - Buttfunex Quits United States Denying Its People Butt Fun Exchanges [18:45]
BingoBoingo: Protest Backfired [19:46]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's quite plainly the mark of ascendancy. "demonstration" aka "here's proof you can't enforce the law on us", and appropriation, aka, "we think more than you and therefore your symbols aren't yours in any meaningful sense". [20:55]
mircea_popescu: btw, that "we are vary silbert for your loss" is like so pregnant with meme. barry the sorry sorbet sillybert! [21:04]
mircea_popescu: in the vein of possibly teh best offering would be [22:53]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 18:02 asciilifeform: ( currently eating some of the vintage ro links therein ) [22:53]
mircea_popescu: tldr : aspie ro chick's mother becomes senile, girly is very indignant that her redditlife is interrupted and she was transformed into a traditional society woman WITHOUT HER CONSENT!!! [22:54]
mircea_popescu: wants the state to do something. [22:54]
deedbot: << Trilema - Hopscotch [22:59]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the slut farm, [23:23]
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