Forum logs for 10 Apr 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
ckang: terminal is finally catching up, I can see them in Terminal.app, some but not the newest ones [00:00]
ckang: but it really messes up monospaced stuff [00:00]
trinque: > SIGN OF THE HORNS [00:04]
trinque: ahahaha [00:04]
ckang: mircea_popescu: how can I return this 0.02 ? [00:04]
mircea_popescu: ckang well, tell her the place's not going anywhere. [00:04]
ckang: just do another transfer or void it? [00:05]
mircea_popescu: ckang you can just !!pay mircea_popescu 0.02 [00:05]
ckang: !!pay mircea_popescu 0.02 [00:05]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FW3Fx/?raw=true [00:05]
ckang: !!v 5E5B679908D7B4FEB4A78A2889C88580257875B15272262A7E840FDAF539AFA9 [00:05]
deedbot: ckang paid mircea_popescu 0.02 [00:06]
mircea_popescu: trinque i have nfi o.O [00:06]
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea she has free time during the day and is normally wondering somewhere around the internet, new to irc though [00:07]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool this whole payments stuff huh. [00:09]
ckang: yea, wild stuff, i honestly didnt believe douchebag [00:10]
ckang: Hmmm [00:11]
ckang: TomServo sounds familiar [00:11]
mircea_popescu: !!up cassidy3 [00:12]
deedbot: cassidy3 voiced for 30 minutes. [00:12]
ckang: maybe from a forum, its itching my brain [00:12]
mircea_popescu: do you know how to voice yourself cassidy3 ? [00:12]
lobbes: ckang you could say it is a -mystery- [00:13]
mircea_popescu: o lol i hadn't rated her. [00:13]
ckang: its going to bother me until I remember, I know that lol [00:13]
mircea_popescu: !!rate cassidy3 1 go-go dancer girl [00:14]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kpk5A/?raw=true [00:14]
ckang: i thought go-go dancing died with disco [00:14]
mircea_popescu: hey, if punk is alive, how could disco have died. [00:17]
ckang: i suspect they might have just renamed it to 'electronic' [00:18]
ckang: i wanted to go to ultra but stuff came up, oh well [00:20]
* trinque is well past his psychedelics til sunrise phase [00:20]
ckang: haha, well, its more manageable with the right titration ) [00:21]
ckang: ive never had a bad time with psychedelics+girls+music [00:23]
phf: mircea_popescu: i've loaded a newer version of unicode definitions, so now it recognizes all this new junk too [00:26]
trinque: night all. [00:27]
mod6: ni ni [00:27]
ckang: im feeling you there, got me yawning by saying that [00:27]
phf: laters [00:28]
mircea_popescu: phf how much memory is this wasting now ? [00:40]
phf: mircea_popescu: insignificant, couple of megs maybe. not anything i noticed by just looking at top's output [00:42]
mircea_popescu: ah, i thought it was 150 [00:42]
phf: i was just throwing numbers around, but once i measured it [00:43]
mircea_popescu: WOMAN EMOJI MODIFIER FITZPATRICK TYPE-5 ZERO WIDTH JOINER SCALES VARIATION SELECTOR-16 << evident improvement. [00:43]
mircea_popescu: dat fitzpatrick type-5 [00:43]
phf: i think we had the jokes going here at some point, of embedding a complete "princess maker" as a concatenative unicode language [00:46]
mircea_popescu: از رفته قلم هیچ دگر‌گون نشود وز خوردن غم بجز جگرخون نشود گر در همه عمر خویش خونابه خوری یک قطره از آن که هست افزون نشود [00:46]
mircea_popescu: you know this is actually pretty great. [00:47]
mircea_popescu: 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院。 [00:47]
mircea_popescu: oya. kudos phf [00:48]
phf: i'm thinking i'll, if i want to do some leisure coding, extend it with a couple of language specific romanizations. russian's there, but chinese and arabic might be a good idea [00:49]
TomServo: ckang: As lobbes hinted, Mystery Science Theater 3000. A commonly ripped off name, I've discovered. http://www.yuchtar.com/Tom.jpg [00:56]
mircea_popescu: phf it's already a great help as it is, but sure. [00:57]
ckang: TomServo: ahhh okay, this one is from a forum, so probably ripped [01:08]
ckang: If you guys want to test unicode [01:20]
ckang: i have a the perfect ascii [01:20]
ckang: perfect in the sense if something handles it wrong you will know quickly [01:21]
ckang: btw mircea_popescu, what hours are you normally around here? [01:37]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, whenever i feel like it. [01:55]
mircea_popescu: why ? [01:57]
ckang: i knew another girl that was interested but she works and is in school [02:01]
ckang: but no worries ill just look if you are around and she can wait p [02:02]
mircea_popescu: works. [02:02]
mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2018/03/29/announcing-the-newest-bitcoin-infrastructure-node-or-why-ethereum-is-so-utterly-fucked/ < in other news. [02:21]
ben_vulpes: so here's a wonder: apache for some reason takes 2.2 seconds to serve an mp-wp file that nginx can cough up in ten ms even though both are nominally passing the same files over to php fpm pools [02:48]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/3-small-tweaks-make-apache-fly [03:07]
mircea_popescu: the devil is in the configs. [03:07]
* ben_vulpes reads [03:09]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, nginx is not actually better or at least wasn't, as of http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-18-jul-2016#2131682 [03:15]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 19:33 mircea_popescu: anyway. in practice there's also nginx, which i doubt is any better and i don't foresee our writing of a web server right nao. [03:15]
mircea_popescu: or previous check http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-29#1114962 [03:15]
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 00:24 mircea_popescu: apache is a piece of shiot. so is nginx. so is everytrhiong else. [03:15]
ben_vulpes: nginx is screamingly fast out of the box for this type of setup, but does not support .htaccess files which the wordpress folks tell me are very important [03:17]
ben_vulpes: this is a 100x slowdown for handing some files over to a running php setup i gotta be doing this entirely incorrectly [03:18]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thanks for the pointer but none of that helped [03:18]
mircea_popescu: well, can't really be helped blindly, you'll have to look into its logs / status report and see wtf it's doing. [03:19]
mircea_popescu: https://www.machmetrics.com/speed-blog/average-page-load-times-websites-2018/ << in other lulz. TEN SECONDS. [03:21]
ben_vulpes: looking for how to turn performance information up now [03:22]
ben_vulpes: heh i worked in the belly of a magento thing that served in 2.3s and that was a victory [03:24]
mircea_popescu: anyway, for your peace of mind, it's definitely not apache itself. it serves trilema actually faster than nginx on internal testing, especially so under heavy load. (which there can mean > 100 req/s) [03:25]
ben_vulpes: mildly pacifying, ty [03:26]
ben_vulpes: it is within a hair of intepreted speeds which is driving me up a wall [03:26]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how is your apache plugged into php? mod_php with graybeard grease or? [03:41]
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jLBq6/?raw=true << typical still working to increase verbosity [03:44]
ben_vulpes: but allll of the time is in the fcgi connection looks like which makes me wonder is it buffering the entire response before then handing it off to the client, and would that even slow things down? [03:44]
ckang: you need nginx+php-fpm to yield the true benefits [05:06]
ckang: performance wise, specially with ttfb + magento [05:07]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes afaik but if you have a specific question (ie, in bash form) i can prolly answer. [05:23]
mircea_popescu: anyway, using fcgi is probably not ideal -- there's for instance a recurring 500 error / resource leak issue associated. [05:29]
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's very likely the cause of your delay. [05:30]
mircea_popescu: basically an exact rehash of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678490 [05:32]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-02 12:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678460 << how about we roll the boot time ( to shell!! ) of your cmachinekernel, how about? [05:32]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile otherplaces, "Into pregnant chicks? You've come to the right place. I'm newly single and am ready to finally really try to explore the vast world of kink." [05:34]
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally, "newly single pregnant female" is a thing. it doesn't collapse to "idiot", oh, no. [05:34]
mircea_popescu: !!up david_francois [06:02]
deedbot: david_francois voiced for 30 minutes. [06:02]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795174 <-- I wrapped those into pre tags, but it seems they got parsed anyway. replacing all < with &lt and crossing my fingers but if mp-wp has some other way of rendering math, lemme know. [06:03]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 01:31 mircea_popescu: spyked prolly it included < [06:03]
mircea_popescu: spyked iirc it barfs on << lt replacement should do it. [06:03]
mircea_popescu: trinque try again at your leisure ? [06:07]
mircea_popescu: spyked answered by looking at feed i see you got a <5 minute reply (05:52 to 09:03). so go me! [06:10]
david_francois: mircea_popescu: ty! just playing a bit with my IRC setup [06:17]
phf: !!ratings david_francois [09:57]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qto2m/?raw=true [09:57]
phf: !!reputation david_francois [09:57]
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/44R0a/?raw=true [09:57]
phf: oh, nm, i missed the up in the logs, and thought it was missing from the logs altogether [09:59]
BingoBoingo: ty fxd [11:22]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit look at that. wtf, twitter's going to the dogs, they've not banned BingoBoingo ?! << It's one of those bot accounts. I don't do anything with the account. It is all bot. [11:23]
mod6: They did suspend you for a brief time didn't they? [11:25]
mod6: https://archive.is/Fzk6L [11:26]
BingoBoingo: mod6: Sure, then I intervened to click through a couple forms and the bot was back [11:33]
BingoBoingo: !!up david_francois [11:35]
deedbot: david_francois voiced for 30 minutes. [11:35]
BingoBoingo: david_francois: I noticed on of your trb nodes is perenially 100,000 blocks behind. Consider building a new bitcoind with either the asciilifeform or ben_vulpes aggression patches. Vastly improved sync behavior. [11:35]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aok i'm baffled as to why throwing a file to the running php process for evaluation would be so slow under apache but not nginx but mod_php looks to be The Right Thing [11:40]
david_francois: david_francois: yeah, i got a new server with a SSD raid, I'm planning on getting a update TRB node there, which should be more reliable [11:44]
david_francois: BingoBoingo: ^ [11:44]
BingoBoingo: david_francois: Sweet [11:44]
mod6: david_francois: hey, good deal, thx! [11:47]
mod6: BingoBoingo: no worries. i agree though. f twitter. [11:47]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/us-destroyer-and-russian-warplanes-engage-in-intimate-activities-in-syrian-waters/ << Qntra - US Destroyer And Russian Warplanes Engage In Intimate Activities In Syrian Waters [13:00]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/labor-unrest-in-germany-throws-german-schedules-into-shambles/ << Qntra - Labor Unrest In Germany Throws German Schedules Into Shambles [13:07]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "agitate" [13:08]
BingoBoingo: ty fxd [13:09]
ben_vulpes: pffff six percent pay raise [13:09]
ben_vulpes: quit fucking around and implement ubi already [13:09]
BingoBoingo: More like watermelon and fried chikkken piknic [13:09]
ben_vulpes: no wait hang on i don't have enough btc for that yet [13:09]
BingoBoingo: Give it time eventually any BTC will be enough btc when the rest of the world shits the bed [13:18]
mod6: ^ [14:03]
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/10/the-uraguayo-idea-of-cultural-sensitivity/ << Bingo Blog - The Uraguayo Idea Of Cultural Sensitivity [14:08]
trinque: !~later tell mircea_popescu now getting a timeout [14:41]
trinque: well fuck, that bot's gone? [14:41]
ben_vulpes: again, even [14:44]
BingoBoingo: !Q works with lobbesbot [14:44]
trinque: !Qlater tell mircea_popescu now getting a timeout [14:44]
lobbesbot: trinque: The operation succeeded. [14:44]
trinque: ty BingoBoingo [14:44]
ben_vulpes: lobbes wouldja put a vwap quoter in your bot please [14:45]
lobbes: I attempted to slap a gribble instance up on pizarro shell last night, but hit a roadblock trying to get 'tcl' working locally (sqlite3 makefile, which gribble depends on, will not run without tcl apparently) [15:00]
ben_vulpes: ah lobbes getting into the ol open source slap and tcl [15:10]
ben_vulpes: https://www.oglaf.com/wildyeast/ << fuckin died [15:10]
jurov: !!up maximian [16:06]
deedbot: maximian voiced for 30 minutes. [16:06]
douchebag: ooh [16:11]
douchebag: hexchat 0day [16:11]
douchebag: Do not use hexchat or anything with libpcre on 4.13.3 [16:11]
jurov: douchebag: sauce? [16:15]
douchebag: ill have a PoC in a bit [16:17]
ben_vulpes: > douchebag sauce [16:17]
jurov: he found it himself? [16:17]
douchebag: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/undergroundagency/ezines/master/L4t3r4L_adderaLL.txt [16:17]
douchebag: first one in 0x04 [16:17]
douchebag: My friend is pissed though [16:18]
douchebag: these guys stole his hexchat 0day [16:18]
douchebag: before he even made P0C [16:18]
douchebag: PoC [16:18]
douchebag: don't know why I made that 1337speak [16:18]
ben_vulpes: jurov: i found that combination of words entertaining is all [16:18]
jurov: to finish off that ascii art took him too much time, i guess [16:20]
jurov: there's no meat there [16:25]
jurov: no meat no sauce [16:26]
ben_vulpes: my eyes bled [16:26]
jurov: ben_vulpes: it prolly needs some 1337hipster font [16:27]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795630 << the particular module you chose tears down and rebuilts the whole php interpreter on each call. it's ~exactly~ like rebooting your "virtual machine" after every bash line and wondering why is bash so slow. [16:40]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 15:40 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aok i'm baffled as to why throwing a file to the running php process for evaluation would be so slow under apache but not nginx but mod_php looks to be The Right Thing [16:40]
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 1 hour and 55 minutes ago: <trinque> now getting a timeout [16:40]
mircea_popescu: trinque weirdballs. ima see wtf. [16:40]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nuts [16:40]
trinque: and now back to prior error actually. [16:41]
* trinque shrugs [16:41]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's actually better in some very limited circumstances not similar to your needs. [16:41]
ckang: what error? [16:41]
ckang: have some experience with php-fpm/nginx [16:41]
mircea_popescu: ckang unrelated convo. there's a lot of subtext and whatnot going on in #trilema. [16:41]
ben_vulpes: ckang: different thread [16:41]
ckang: ah [16:42]
ben_vulpes: ckang: nginx is out for reasons of beloved clients want to use .htaccess files [16:42]
ckang: oh boo [16:42]
ckang: magento? [16:44]
mircea_popescu: nginx is not actually better for your usecase but worse. its notable strength sits with static content, where it actually outperforms apache. otherwise, it's generally not worth the time, even if some of the nuttier bored greybeards will set it up as a reverse proxy in lieu of a proper cache / buying more fucking machine to serve the static parts only. [16:44]
ben_vulpes: nah mircea_popescu's wordpress [16:44]
mircea_popescu: "how to spend a grand to save two dimes" [16:44]
ckang: with magento atleast, there are substantial improvements over apache/mod_php, fairly substantial too [16:45]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am looking forward to sharing the mod_php numbers and comparing them against the nginx php-fpm numbers [16:45]
mircea_popescu: should make a nice blog article huh. [16:45]
ckang: theres a whitepaper [16:46]
ckang: on this exact subject too if you wanted to see [16:46]
ben_vulpes: ckang: don't ask to link just link lol [16:46]
mircea_popescu: ckang link, rather than offer, that way people might click. [16:46]
mircea_popescu: lol. [16:46]
ckang: sure [16:46]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795641 << pait out of what, monetized chinese tarrifs on united states Only Remaining (ie, agricultural) products ? [16:47]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 17:09 ben_vulpes: quit fucking around and implement ubi already [16:47]
ben_vulpes: unless it's some webservercoin whitepaper in which case please no [16:47]
mircea_popescu: that's the elephant in the room : the only remaining valid export of the us is === what argentina exports. nobody cares for the farts, but they'll buy the soy. [16:47]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: a) germany b) teh deficit! [16:47]
ben_vulpes: ubi's the best horse in the state-bankrupting race atm right up there with a brand new war [16:48]
mircea_popescu: if the us could live by spending german coin it'd be like i could live by digesting my own poop. [16:48]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i was saying that germany should give up and do ubi. [16:48]
mircea_popescu: where the fuck do the ecb "money" come from if not the fucking fed ? [16:48]
ben_vulpes: as they were the subj of the linked paper. [16:48]
mircea_popescu: oh oh. afaik they do. [16:48]
mircea_popescu: you must not be white male though. [16:48]
ben_vulpes: clearly not enough of it if everyone wants another 6% this year [16:49]
ben_vulpes: shit i want another six percent too, who can i fire [16:49]
mircea_popescu: everyone has to want another 6% lol. it's like wanting a new couch and curtains in the older "economic" model integrating the whitegoods. [16:49]
ckang: https://blog.aheadworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Optimizing_Magento_Performance_by_aheadWorks_eng.pdf [16:49]
mircea_popescu: "smart dishwasher wants 6% whereas bio-dishwasher wants new couch" [16:49]
ckang: page 4 [16:49]
mircea_popescu: ckang holy shit they put a pdf on a wordpress blog ? [16:50]
ckang: but i dont think this is the one im thinking of [16:50]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795655 << why arent you running the trinquebot ? [16:50]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 19:00 lobbes: I attempted to slap a gribble instance up on pizarro shell last night, but hit a roadblock trying to get 'tcl' working locally (sqlite3 makefile, which gribble depends on, will not run without tcl apparently) [16:50]
asciilifeform: in other noose, highest grade of anti-usg glittery polish, softbanned (absent from stores) [16:50]
asciilifeform: ( what grade ? the kind with 'baccilae', i.e. visible multicoloured rods ) [16:51]
mircea_popescu: no way ?! [16:51]
asciilifeform: well i can only speak for this loc [16:51]
asciilifeform: spot survey of shops. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i want you to be prepared with laptop and camera to document the landing of this nut. it'll prolly be like the 1st coming of technojesus. [16:51]
asciilifeform: this is not a calamity, or anyffing, can still create it here, just needs a bit of mixin' [16:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe the sluts lost interest. this is nail polish yes ? [16:52]
asciilifeform: correct [16:52]
asciilifeform: ( for n00b readers -- folk recipe is traditional, dating to the dawn of cheap digital photo afaik, and certainly not asciilifeform's invention ) [16:53]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i want you to be prepared with laptop and camera to document the landing of this nut. it'll prolly be like the 1st coming of technojesus. << Puede ser [16:53]
mircea_popescu: "use cotton solvent and centrifugal separator to remove the rods from 100 dollar bills, then mix into plain nailpaint after having taken down the bill serials" [16:53]
asciilifeform: lol that'd rock, betcha someone would buy [16:53]
asciilifeform: iirc there are voodoo shops with 'dollar oil'. [16:53]
mircea_popescu: omfg oglaf went behind the night curtain / [16:54]
asciilifeform: sslism ? aha [16:54]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On that note do you want me to meet you at the airport or how is this working? [16:54]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have a car reserved, will ping you from hotel after properly slept [16:55]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: baww i never even noticed [16:55]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: will reactivate travel key some time tomorrow [16:55]
BingoBoingo: Aite, so roughly what time should I be expecting contact? [16:55]
asciilifeform: saturday [16:56]
BingoBoingo: Watch out for the mopeds [16:56]
mircea_popescu: ckang i don't get why they construct their communications in this nonsensical manner. i'm 20% in still haven't fished an inkling of sense. [16:57]
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea this isnt the one im thinking of, it was some years back as well [16:58]
mircea_popescu: is that #superbowl on freenode ? [16:59]
ckang: so it could be dated info, but a few years back we moved a lot of customers from apache to nginx and saw a fairly substantial drop in TTFB [16:59]
ckang: its on supernets [16:59]
mircea_popescu: meh. [16:59]
ckang: also, dont ever join #5000 [17:00]
mircea_popescu: why is that ? [17:00]
BingoBoingo: <ckang> so it could be dated info, but a few years back we moved a lot of customers from apache to nginx and saw a fairly substantial drop in TTFB << Eh, darkhttpd ftw [17:00]
ckang: heh, well, if you want to witness it, try on a spare ircclient its fun ) [17:00]
ckang: remember antifuck.pl ? [17:01]
mircea_popescu: actually, no. [17:02]
ckang: basically it joins you to 5000 channels [17:02]
ckang: once you join [17:02]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i have a car reserved, will ping you from hotel after properly slept << Also probably ought to warn you. The pedestrians are VERY accustomed to cars stopping for them. [17:02]
mircea_popescu: ckang what client permits this ? [17:02]
ckang: all [17:02]
mircea_popescu: o.O [17:02]
ckang: unless you are running antifuck [17:02]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not driving it personally, lol [17:02]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AH [17:02]
mircea_popescu: pedestrians are accustomed to cars stopping for them everywhere, wtf. [17:03]
BingoBoingo: I thought maybe after the pizzaro stuff you'd be taking off to Cabo Polonia to view the lobos marinos and nature [17:03]
mircea_popescu: here, pedestrians are also very accustomed to WALKING ALONG THE HIGHWAY, and do not see why they should wear anything besides dark colors at night. [17:03]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno how much sight-seeing i will get in long list of things to do in the cage [17:05]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> pedestrians are accustomed to cars stopping for them everywhere, wtf. << In the sense of myself waiting on the corner to cross a street and... drivers fuck up traffic trying to wave me across when their stopping does nothing for cars heading the other direction [17:05]
BingoBoingo: How many days do you have down here? [17:05]
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's even more annoying than the "door holding" behaviours of autistic kids. [17:06]
ckang: lol [17:06]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: blasting off the next thurs. early am. [17:06]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a guarantee you will get to see some of the city [17:07]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo depends if he decides he needs... i dunno, a pair of pliers, and it turns out montevideo dun have any. [17:07]
asciilifeform: pliers definitely needed, bringing own [17:08]
phf: "second container is lathe" [17:08]
asciilifeform: lol [17:08]
mircea_popescu: i wasn't presuming to actually name whatever magical instrument will be missing but merely medicine tactics. [17:08]
BingoBoingo: Well, only one way to find out if the city doesn't have and that way is sightseeing [17:09]
douchebag: !!up cassidy3 [17:13]
deedbot: cassidy3 voiced for 30 minutes. [17:13]
cassidy3: heya [17:13]
mircea_popescu: how goes cassidy3 [17:13]
cassidy3: My bitcoin did not come through yet :C [17:13]
mircea_popescu: mmm [17:15]
cassidy3: im doing pretty goood...i didnt get it tho [17:15]
mircea_popescu: trinque i got a <deedbot> mircea_popescu paid cassidy3 0.02 you on it ? [17:15]
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 technically, it's still just 23 hours, so bear with teh system. [17:16]
cassidy3: oki! [17:16]
asciilifeform: and earlier some d00d was complaining re mpex withdrawal -- but for some reason in kako's chan, not here [17:17]
trinque: I got it douchebag's endless well of women sprung while I was doing surgery to the airgap box. [17:18]
cassidy3: oki great!!! around when should I see it go through...? [17:19]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795667 << eggog 4 is a null ptr deref. i.e. just about never usefully exploitable. [17:20]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 20:17 douchebag: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/undergroundagency/ezines/master/L4t3r4L_adderaLL.txt [17:20]
asciilifeform: ergo snore. [17:20]
asciilifeform: ( the operative text, so that nobody else is stuck sifting through that pile o' rubbish : ' hexchat[30394]: segfault at 7f0ca6862199 ip 00007f0ca67a5993 sp 00007ffd83fab310 error 4 in libpcre.so.3.13.3[7f0ca678b000+70000] ' ) [17:21]
asciilifeform: in related lollies, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-17#511356 , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-24#894318 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-23#988950 [17:25]
a111: Logged on 2014-02-17 16:47 asciilifeform: [5760131.063368] bitcoin-msghand[23369]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000048bd21 sp 00007f55d1759800 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000] [17:25]
a111: Logged on 2014-10-24 23:15 asciilifeform: kernel: patch[28805]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000403f35 sp 00007fffbc2fc8e0 error 4 in patch[400000+26000] [17:25]
a111: Logged on 2015-01-23 04:24 asciilifeform: i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000] [17:25]
trinque: y'know, if every chick that comes through withdraws her coin immediately, she's being paid ~USD~ for tits. [17:26]
trinque: not that it makes much difference to me. [17:26]
trinque: cassidy3: couple of hours or so, probably sooner [17:26]
ben_vulpes: trinque: assuming she goes and sells it [17:26]
trinque: yes, I am assuming that [17:26]
cassidy3: what do u suggest doing with it? [17:27]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point him this way. [17:27]
ben_vulpes: i prefer the conspiracy theory that douchebag has the fiverr hustle down: 20 bucks to show up and show your tits! [17:27]
ben_vulpes: and then he pockets the btc [17:27]
trinque: entirely possible I'm just telling cassidy3 here to hold onto her coin a while, and buy a house in 2020, or w/e she likes. [17:28]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did so far no answer. [17:28]
mircea_popescu: aite. [17:28]
asciilifeform: trinque: didjaknow, at one time they gave out btc to a buncha starving sad folx, and ~0 of'em kept it. this was, of course, '90s ru [17:29]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's my understanding that segfaults reported by the runtime in libraries are not customarily items that actually occuredf there, but merely were caught there incorrect ? [17:29]
asciilifeform: and not btc but privatization-shares [17:29]
asciilifeform: but roughly same result [17:29]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of the cited examples are 'error 4' i.e. nullptr deref [17:30]
asciilifeform: ( kernel traps attempt to read from addr 0 , marks separately from any generic out-of-process attempt of r/w ) [17:30]
mircea_popescu: yes, but if i deref twice a pointer provided by alflib, will runtime say "idiot, you deref'd" or will it say "error 4 in alflib" ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu: because some guy in there was complaining of what it also looked to me like : "you demonstrated program can corrupt its own heap" [17:31]
trinque: cassidy3: what wallet are you using? all of the withdrawals I have here are for 3 addresses, which leads me to believe you're using some "multisig" webshit as a wallet. [17:31]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma demonstrate 1s [17:32]
trinque: douchebag: if you just whip them through here without teaching them a damned thing, what's the point. I can go in the other room and see tits. [17:32]
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 bitcoin addresses start with 1. [17:32]
ben_vulpes: trinque: trezors also do that dumb shit. [17:32]
ben_vulpes: gotta kick it into "legacy" moad. [17:32]
trinque: ben_vulpes: who has the other key? "them"? [17:33]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795811 << by this logic usg employees are paid in rentals ? [17:33]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:26 trinque: y'know, if every chick that comes through withdraws her coin immediately, she's being paid ~USD~ for tits. [17:33]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795816 << consider the case of this guy : http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/ [17:34]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:27 cassidy3: what do u suggest doing with it? [17:34]
mircea_popescu: that 10 btc would sell for about 70k or so today, ie five years later. [17:34]
mircea_popescu: there's almost nothing you can buy for bitcoin that will be worth more than the bitcoin in the medium term. [17:35]
ben_vulpes: trinque: i think the 3 is 'segwit' [17:35]
cassidy3: douchebag told me to download an electrum wallet i didnt really know what bitcoin is he sorta explained it to me. r u saying i should hold onto now and sell it when it becomes more valuable? [17:35]
mircea_popescu: i'm just telling you that you can. [17:36]
mircea_popescu: douchebag mind finding a webwallet that does proper addresses for the girls ? none of that 3 bs. [17:36]
douchebag: ive been telling them to use electrum or localbitcoins since a lot of them just ask for paypal [17:37]
mircea_popescu: i c. well, one of the two works better than the other one. [17:38]
trinque: there's a wallet service sitting right here, if they're just going to hold them on some website. [17:38]
cassidy3: how often does the price change? [17:39]
mircea_popescu: tell them to use localbitcoins then, at least they get to meet people. [17:39]
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg5ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv [17:39]
ben_vulpes: the dropdown under "time period" will be useful [17:39]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ok, here you go: demo.asm : [17:39]
asciilifeform: global _start [17:39]
asciilifeform: _start: [17:39]
asciilifeform: mov rax, [0] [17:39]
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: if you select "all data" you can give yourself the "what color is your lamborghini" tingles [17:40]
trinque: ahemahem. deedbot is a wallet! [17:40]
asciilifeform: and then : yasm -f elf64 -g null demo.asm && ld demo.o -o demo [17:40]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and then ./demo [17:40]
ben_vulpes: trinque: but the numbers don't show up on their computer har har har [17:40]
asciilifeform: and then dmesg [17:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this loads no complex libraries stack. [17:40]
trinque: ben_vulpes: sure they do, !!balance [17:40]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: absolutely not needed , can happen anywhere in process space [17:40]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes of course they do ? !!balance , !!ledger etc [17:40]
asciilifeform: whether in library or not [17:40]
ben_vulpes: but not in the guiboxen! [17:41]
ben_vulpes: or in teh webbrowser! [17:41]
ben_vulpes: y'all are humorless gits [17:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the question was, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795829 [17:41]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:30 mircea_popescu: yes, but if i deref twice a pointer provided by alflib, will runtime say "idiot, you deref'd" or will it say "error 4 in alflib" ? [17:41]
phf: it's a counterparty problem, they don't have trinque in their wots [17:41]
cassidy3: oooh!oki ill look more at that stuff [17:41]
mircea_popescu: phf but they have $randomwebsite ?! [17:41]
ben_vulpes: anyways cassidy3 you can leave your btc with deedbot, trinque operates it and he is a knight of the realm [17:42]
phf: mircea_popescu: of course, that's usg pseudo-wot that's maintained through all the ways that we laugh about here [17:42]
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 if you're not desperate for money, keeping it may pay off and if you are desperate for money it might be the last thing to sell. think family jewels. [17:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaaa. if dynamically linked -- will say 'in lib...', if static -- in proggy. [17:42]
mircea_popescu: which is my point! [17:42]
ben_vulpes: far more trustworthy than "localbitcoins", i mean who are they anyways, and "electrum", same q. [17:42]
asciilifeform: aa ok i get it [17:42]
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: just never never never lose the gpg key you registered [17:42]
trinque: cassidy3: in here your recourse if I steal your money is to tarnish the reputation held on deedbot that to date says I've stolen from no one. out there, what, sue? [17:43]
trinque: !!up cassidy3 [17:43]
deedbot: cassidy3 voiced for 30 minutes. [17:43]
mircea_popescu: you know im pretty sure she can self-voice. [17:44]
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 say !!up to deedbot in a pm, then !!v with the string it sent. [17:45]
asciilifeform: also come to think of it, on current linux douchebag's thing is not necessarily a null , so whoknows [17:45]
douchebag: asciilifeform: The guy who created it said he's working on a proof of concept [17:46]
mircea_popescu: phf indeed right you are, huh. [17:46]
asciilifeform: douchebag: incidentally the hinted item gives 0 way to reproduce -- it dun say where the lib was loaded in memory [17:50]
asciilifeform: so to reproduce, would have to know the trigger [17:51]
asciilifeform: it's equiv of 'winamp playlist' of 0day, rather than 0day [17:51]
asciilifeform: libpcre is reliable lolcow, however , so i believe it. [17:51]
asciilifeform: ( and , consider, why the everliving fuck is a re parser need to live in a irctron ?! ) [17:52]
asciilifeform: seealso thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612658 . [17:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 18:04 asciilifeform: regex belongs in the tool chest next to 'duct tape'. [17:59]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795806 <-- yeah, it doesn't look like nullptr deref. segfault addr looks somewhat close to ip, so on a first glance it would look like they tried to hijack rip and tripped a non-executable page. but can't tell for sure without a pmap or something similar. [18:16]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:21 asciilifeform: ( the operative text, so that nobody else is stuck sifting through that pile o' rubbish : ' hexchat[30394]: segfault at 7f0ca6862199 ip 00007f0ca67a5993 sp 00007ffd83fab310 error 4 in libpcre.so.3.13.3[7f0ca678b000+70000] ' ) [18:16]
spyked: and ftr, linux kernel could report whether the trigger was a read, write or exec op, but for some unknown reason doesn't. [18:17]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/iguanapost-i-guanapost-igu-an-apost-i-guan-a-post/ << Trilema - Iguanapost. I guanapost ? Igu an apost ? I guan a post! [18:28]
trinque: douchebag: I guess I scared cassidy3 off, lol. I ran these tell the next batch to generate proper addresses, or better yet, to leave the coin on deedbot. [18:37]
trinque: also wasn't there a report on trb dependencies coming? [18:37]
asciilifeform: spyked: i did realize, slightly later, lol [18:40]
* mircea_popescu refers to his handy hashguide to indentify which one cassidy was [19:11]
ckang: trinque: i dont think many of these girls have a long term mindset as far as investing goes, mostly college students or do menial low paying work [19:52]
ckang: i know when i was in school thats how it was anyways [19:52]
ckang: for me anyways [19:52]
trinque: man I dated a bartender slut once that kept cash gangster rolls under the bed [19:53]
trinque: no excuses [19:53]
ckang: dude ya, bartenders in the right town can do real well [19:53]
ckang: but those jobs are hot commodities in college towns [19:54]
ckang: fortunately i finished without debt but i wasnt living the high life either during [19:55]
ckang: theres also plenty of girls that just go to school to meet a husband, which hey, more power to you i suppose. [19:57]
phf: mircea_popescu: i've been searching from:<nick> "http://" as a way to remind myself who is who [20:13]
ckang: trinque: btw, is there a correct and incorrect way to make an address? [20:33]
douchebag: just got back from college [21:11]
douchebag: yeah ill tell them [21:11]
lobbes: speed of implementation really (I got other tmsr irons in fire). I figured I could get a tickerbot up and running quicker just using a gribble instance >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795728 [21:20]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 20:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795655 << why arent you running the trinquebot ? [21:20]
lobbes: buut, the lack of 'root' access and my general inexperience with non-debian linuxen is throwing me for a loop. Though, suprisingly to me, it is the former rather than the latter that is throwing me the farthest (I've kinda been enjoying building shit from source). [21:20]
douchebag: mircea_popescu: [21:30]
douchebag: Girls are wondering if they wanna show tits [21:30]
douchebag: you around? [21:30]
douchebag: trinque: I'm going to get a trb node setup when I get that server [21:32]
douchebag: because right now if I put it on any of these machines, they wouldn't be running 24/7 [21:33]
douchebag: someones znc is being retarded [21:33]
* mircea_popescu waves [23:01]
mircea_popescu: douchebag hit it. [23:01]
ckang: will you be around for a bit mircea_popescu ? [23:02]
mircea_popescu: yes. [23:02]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile somewhere else, "I looked through your profile and I like what I've seen. What would serving you entail?" [23:09]
mircea_popescu: 2018, the year i'ma be overwhelmed. [23:09]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795909 << i know, i know. kinda expected. still... gotta say something to them, whether they follow or not the wise words of the elders is what distinguishes the talented from the mediocre in any generation, isn't it. [23:10]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:52 ckang: trinque: i dont think many of these girls have a long term mindset as far as investing goes, mostly college students or do menial low paying work [23:10]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795912 <<->> http://trilema.com/2011/spargatorii-si-curva/ i should prolly translate that shouldn't i. [23:11]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:53 trinque: man I dated a bartender slut once that kept cash gangster rolls under the bed [23:11]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795917 << actually, the college standard for middle-class kids throughout the 90s and maybe a short sliver of the 00s was kinda BingoBoingo 's experience : "they gave me all this money to leave parents' house, ima... drink it / smoke it". it came to an end, of course, nohope.jpg now, but it's what it was for a while there. i know n examples. [23:13]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:57 ckang: theres also plenty of girls that just go to school to meet a husband, which hey, more power to you i suppose. [23:13]
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, girls going to college to meet the sort of guy that goes to college is a time and space invariant. true in egypt today as it was true in romania 50 years ago as it was true in the us since inception. [23:14]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795919 << bitcoin addresses come in the form 1x, like say 1NwAjL6CwMHm5S9aeFfmop5VtqBA6aNJRT some dorks came up with an "extension". there are fundamental problems with their code, discussed in the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697111 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697118 [23:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 00:33 ckang: trinque: btw, is there a correct and incorrect way to make an address? [23:17]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:49 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and block depth. if you make segwit tx a to me at height 1 and i put it into a normal tx at block 2, i can spend it from block 3 as my bitcoin, the segwitnmess is gone out of it. to steal it from me, one has to rewind all the way to block 1 again. which is possible, but expensive as the chain builds. [23:17]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the substantial weakness segwit adds to bitcoin chain security is that witout it, one needs the power to unwind the chain AND the keys of old txn to steal bitcoin. whereas with it, one only needs the hash power, as anyone can spend the segwit shit. [23:17]
mircea_popescu: there's this pattern in usg attempts to subvert bitcoin, as discussed in that thread and generally in the logs it's "success" depends on the ignorance of the userbase, which is what separates very sharply the bitcoin "users" into republican and imperial sets. the latter have some dust and reddit. [23:18]
ckang: i heard something the other day which may be of concern soon [23:19]
ckang: but a CPA was sent a letter asking him to report any clients he had who dealt with crypto [23:20]
mircea_popescu: this is ancient news. [23:20]
ckang: yea he just got it last week [23:20]
ckang: was it published anywhere yet? [23:20]
ckang: if not i can see if he will scan it [23:20]
mircea_popescu: illegal as all fuck, but then again http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794697 and all that. [23:21]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 15:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was also that hellvig lawsuit (which afaik went exactly the same place all other "rule of law" challenges to notes-from-stalin ever went) [23:21]
mircea_popescu: usg has laws in the sense any bully has principles. [23:21]
mircea_popescu: ckang have him scan it qntra will want to publish it, if you don't break down and make a proper blog before that. [23:21]
mircea_popescu: (do make a blog. it's an immensely important anchor for your online identity and the power you build on it) [23:21]
ckang: but to beat a bully you need to be on a more level field [23:22]
mircea_popescu: not really. [23:22]
ckang: well he said he would be down to do it but he wanted to make sure it went to other CPAs also [23:22]
mircea_popescu: "god doesn't beat with the stick". [23:22]
ckang: so it cant be traced back to his firm if that makes sense [23:22]
ckang: ill ask him next time i see him though [23:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure this is in full alignment with current paper usg.law -- recall, they stripped away immunities from shrinks, priests, wives, etc. why not also cpa. [23:26]
mircea_popescu: ckang if he wants to come online i can explain to him how to publish it so it is not traceable in that way. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704530 [23:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 01:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ? [23:26]
mircea_popescu: back when some imbecile went to fake news media rather than coming to qntra, got sent to jail for it, STILL did not admit there exists no media online besides qntra. [23:27]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly. [23:27]
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea hes a sharp guy but i dont want to pressure him into anything uncomfortable, him mentioning it though was the first i heard of these letters being mass mailed [23:28]
mircea_popescu: it's still on my fucking liver, that episode. so whistleblower goes to "media", they publish her fucking pdfs with the yellow dots untouched, she gets sent to jail, at which point the ENTIRE fucking faux establishment somehow still does not end. how thje fuck! [23:28]
mircea_popescu: ckang sure. [23:28]
ckang: im sure places like coinbase are going to be the the more important things they would worry about [23:28]
ckang: who would tell their cpa about crypto holdings anyways lol [23:29]
mircea_popescu: hey, i moved enough paper money into argentina to ruin its government a few years ago. they can worry until they fucking fall over for all the good it's gonna do them. [23:29]
mircea_popescu: for all practical purposes money is now outside of the control of fiat pretend-sovereigns. [23:29]
ckang: yea, curious how much loss of wealth will be reported this year sorta [23:31]
mircea_popescu: reporting is not an imperial strength. [23:31]
ckang: the folks that refinanced their houses at 19k [23:31]
mircea_popescu: did they manage to get a budget yet ? [23:31]
ckang: and decided to go all in [23:31]
ckang: probably not super common but theres stories of it i see popping up here and there [23:32]
mircea_popescu: ckang amusingly, selling us based real estate on the market and buying bitcoin at 20k is not actually a bad deal. even with bitcoin at 7k now. [23:32]
mircea_popescu: consider a simple example : you get divorced. or arrested. or "suspected" of "crime". what's the real estate you "owned" worth now ? [23:33]
mircea_popescu: because teh bitcoin ain't going anywhere, the "judge" can hold his breath until he's done dicking about. [23:33]
ckang: yea thats true, you can literally take it to your grave [23:33]
ckang: unlike anything else [23:33]
mircea_popescu: the fantasy the empire is living is that "nobody can be poor enough to starve". the only meaning of which is, "nobody can have any incentive to hold anything besides bitcoin". [23:34]
ckang: anything material has to be thrown out, sold, etc... [23:34]
mircea_popescu: quite a lulzy implementation of the whole "do not build yourself perishable treasures" meme. [23:35]
ckang: heh not familiar with that one [23:35]
mircea_popescu: really ? it's the cornerstone of "protestant" ideology. [23:35]
mircea_popescu: as in, the xtian sect. [23:35]
ckang: im not well read in theology by any means [23:36]
ckang: i just know that they are christian [23:36]
mircea_popescu: so you never heard of "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." and all that ? [23:37]
mircea_popescu: it's a xtian thing, "gospel by matthew". here : https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A19-34&version=NIV [23:38]
ckang: ive mostly just lived under the "cant take it to the grave or regret it when dead" idea [23:38]
mircea_popescu: technically bitcoin you can't take to grave either, the passive result of dead keys is a slight increase in the value of circulating bitcoin. [23:39]
mircea_popescu: but whether this properly means you have taken it or you haven't taken it is very much an open question of metaphysics, "what is the meaning of taking". [23:39]
ckang: it would take too long to brute force it though [23:39]
ckang: or could rather [23:40]
ckang: has there been any studies done on that? [23:40]
mircea_popescu: ckang the idea isn't you bruteforce it, the idea is that in between world A, where 100 people living have 1 btc each, and world A', where 99 people living and 1 person dead have 1 bitcoin each, is that the apparent value of the bitcoin will be 101% in A` vs A. [23:40]
mircea_popescu: but no, you're not going to bruteforce a key. [23:40]
ckang: hmm yea, true, didnt think about it from that angle [23:41]
ckang: i mean with enough clockcycles anything can be brute forced [23:41]
ckang: its just on what timescale [23:41]
ckang: and cost:reward [23:42]
mircea_popescu: ckang the timescale involved in bruteforcing a bitcoin address exceeds the computable capacity of an alternate universe in which every single atom extant would be part of an ideal processor working at it. [23:42]
mircea_popescu: in other words : it will never happen, the world ends first. [23:42]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795922 << this is broken in the same way as the subjects of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792556 discussion. [23:42]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 01:20 lobbes: speed of implementation really (I got other tmsr irons in fire). I figured I could get a tickerbot up and running quicker just using a gribble instance >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795728 [23:42]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 18:39 mircea_popescu: lobbes the only important consideration here is that design is not a haphazard activity driven by occurence and circumstance. that's implementation. design is a deductive activity, it proceeds from first principles and does not break faith. [23:42]
ckang: yea thats why i was just wondering if anyone has done a paper about it ) [23:42]
ckang: just thought it would be a fun read [23:43]
mircea_popescu: ckang it's one of the things people do for their own satisfaction, but your question isn't without marrow. let's see here... [23:43]
ckang: the scaling comparisons i like for some reason [23:43]
ckang: like you can fit X somethings in a Y [23:43]
ckang: that just show the magnitude of something [23:44]
mircea_popescu: ckang here's the basic likbez : a bitcoin address (which is what keeps funds) is built out of a chaining of crypto functions : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/thumb/4/48/Address_map.jpg/700px-Address_map.jpg [23:46]
ckang: oh wow, ive never seen it broken down like that [23:46]
asciilifeform: 1 caveat re 'brute force needs machine the size of 10^bignum universes running for 10^biggernum yrs' is that it presumes a flat keyspace. whereas if instead you can exclude large chunks ( because, e.g., winblowz rng is known to never output'em , or some other likewise ) ... [23:47]
ckang: i didnd even know base58 was a thing [23:47]
ckang: didnt* [23:47]
mircea_popescu: the proper formula is : address = ripemd160(sha256(secret)). to go from an address to its corresponding private key (which is what "bruteforce" requires in this context) you'd have to reverse a ripemd160 and a sha256 op. [23:48]
ckang: sounds like a good research paper for some mathematics major ) [23:51]
ckang: thesis or something [23:51]
mircea_popescu: admitting the merkle-damgard construction (what ripemd is built out of, see http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html ) does not have a backdoor, and that sha256 doesn't have a backdoor, you are looking at something like 256 bits of entropy involved. [23:53]
mircea_popescu: there's also some ecdsa involved, but that's cryptographically less valuable. [23:53]
mircea_popescu: but, for the expert minds tuned in : ckang 's question does not, as we currently stand, have a published canonical answer i can link him to. if you write it, i will link it next time someone asks. [23:54]
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