Forum logs for 08 Feb 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: it is. beaucoup haram. [00:29]
deedbot: << Trilema - Best of Fetlife (such as it is) [00:45]
trinque: totally accurate depiction of waco: sucks, probably can't read [00:54]
ave1: No it's not, as hanbot still had some problems with the embedded in svg images, if I read correctly. [08:10]
ave1: Re: [08:10]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 00:59 mircea_popescu: << very much so is it off hanbot's (yet not really published ?) genesis or what ? [08:10]
ave1: So I've made a new genesis with images removed and sha512 sums inserted [08:11]
ave1: to be found here: [08:11]
ave1: I'll be happy to regrind my 2 (so far) patches if needed [08:12]
ave1: (to work on top of hanbot's genesis) [08:13]
deedbot: << Qntra - ICO Scams Continue: Dying Kodak's Appears To Stall Before Starting [08:17]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [08:19]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8495.69, vol: 27293.26226256 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8486.0, vol: 91180.98734955 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8474.0, vol: 13914.1379832 | Volume-weighted last average: 8486.73648495 [08:20]
BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski There is also the BBisp mini conference if you are inclined to make a trip. [08:21]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. [08:21]
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo y buenas dias. [08:24]
BingoBoingo: In other developments tonight will be my third night sleeping in The 5. There is now a full on multi day final solution underway in the hostel to eradicate the chinches while occupancy is low. I mean outlet covers stripped, the sweet smell of TempoXL with a few other unfamiliar (but not organophosphate, possibly terpene) scents wafting out of the warzone. [08:27]
mircea_popescu: ave1 yeah, ideally make them patches off the full genesis once that appears afaik hanbot is stuck waiting for phf's proper vdiff, which evidently is stuck waiting for the conjclusion of phf's republican-oriental adventure. [08:35]
mircea_popescu: so like... two weeks ? [08:35]
mircea_popescu: aaand since it's the glorious morning of the 8th, let's do some last calls. [08:35]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you see any problems with teh proposed setup ? [08:36]
mircea_popescu: phf you've not said a word, how goes over there ? [08:36]
shinohai: Tonight's menu: Pasta Con Salsa Cince [08:36]
shinohai: *chinches [08:37]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Only in the challenge of sourcing the 2U sheetmetal/powersupplies locally, and the caveat that the CPU orderers gotta watch the SKU to get the right cooler. [08:40]
mircea_popescu: dc can't provide 2u boxing after all ? [08:41]
BingoBoingo: They apparently do not know how to order parts [08:42]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, this is beyond ridiculous. [08:42]
mircea_popescu: if they do not provide 2u boxes, you go there with two containers of gasoline on the 13th instead of any parts, [08:43]
mircea_popescu: pour them on the ground and light it up. [08:43]
shinohai: Post results to BingoBlog por favor. [08:43]
mircea_popescu: "customer set montevideo dc on fire over dc's inability to provide 2u rack boxes." [08:44]
mircea_popescu: no jury will ever convict. [08:44]
ave1:, will do! I didn't know it was doube stuck. At least now something is out, if anyone want to run mp-wp on php 5.6. [08:50]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 13:35 mircea_popescu: ave1 yeah, ideally make them patches off the full genesis once that appears afaik hanbot is stuck waiting for phf's proper vdiff, which evidently is stuck waiting for the conjclusion of phf's republican-oriental adventure. [08:50]
mircea_popescu: ave1 i'd have just had you do the genesis rather than wait, but the problem is you can't really, on current inband diffing. [08:51]
mircea_popescu: was a whole thing in the logs a few weeks back that eventually lead to this structure. [08:51]
ave1: I know, I followed the recurrent discussion on binaries and uuencoded problems (with ++/-- in there). [08:54]
mircea_popescu: kk. [08:54]
mircea_popescu: i just dun want you to get the impression your work's not really wanted or anything of the kind. as is perhaps very evident we have a massive shortage of human capital in teh republic, and it's been worsening over the years. [08:55]
hanbot: ave1 cool deal. how's the backend feel w/o any pix? [08:56]
ave1: hanbot: it looks ugly, but as the pics are in tar files, you could still unpack these and have them back. [08:57]
ave1: will the republican ISP also provide some sort of website hosting? [08:59]
hanbot: mhm, neat. i'll check it out once the ball o' string's sorted [08:59]
BingoBoingo: ave1: Depends on if the datacenter can summon the appropriate urgency to respond to the present dilemma. [09:00]
deedbot: << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 9: Byte Order and Bit Disorder in Keccak [09:00]
diana_coman: phf, can you help test keccak on big endian iron? see ^ [09:03]
mircea_popescu: ave1 yep. [09:03]
ave1: k great [09:09]
hanbot: halp, i saw today's trilema header and i can't get up! [09:15]
mircea_popescu: finally its turn! [09:16]
mircea_popescu: 12 nov - 8th feb. almost 3 months! [09:16]
hanbot: his tiny NOSTRIL, barely discernable from grain of sand! [09:17]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. it's there! [09:17]
mircea_popescu: !~calc (41/42)^88 * 88 [09:19]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (41/42)^88 * 88 = 10.556610754891212 [09:19]
mircea_popescu: mmm [09:19]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1 - (41/42)^88 [09:20]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1 - (41/42)^88 = 0.8800385141489635 [09:20]
shinohai: It was an appropriate header .... all the responses were pretty much "I liek turtles!" [09:21]
mircea_popescu: just about, yeah. [09:22]
* diana_coman finds out she does ...not like baby turtles [09:22]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, dumb cunts at an age they're barely worth selling by open outcry somehow hallucinated for themselves this role whereby they sit their ass down and the world brings them shit for their evaluation. [09:22]
mircea_popescu: so that's it, precious cuntlet importantly declares "i approve of this thing" and that's all her job's worth, she's done. [09:22]
mircea_popescu: the world can now spin as she's done her part, and all anyone could ever demand of her. [09:23]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ugly ? [09:23]
* asciilifeform also admits to not. why not e.g. gigantic caterpillar. they're imho moar photogenic [09:23]
diana_coman: well, that's how it worked that far pretty much, isn't it? tell Daddy what you like, tell teacher what you'd like etc [09:23]
mircea_popescu: ya well. [09:23]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, sort of inept dragon-look-a-like I heard they are tasty though (bigger ones at least) [09:23]
mircea_popescu: da fuck must be rattling in the empty box above their shoulders to imagine anyone gives a shit whether they approve or disapprove, of anything. [09:24]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman they're tasty, sure, but believe it or not the little animal had a very distinct personality, in my hand. [09:24]
hanbot: asciilifeform caterpillars're kinda neurotoxic roulette here, afaik [09:24]
asciilifeform: hanbot: does lonomia live in cr ? [09:24]
diana_coman: I'm sure they can be endearing [09:24]
mircea_popescu: like a sort of mute benevolent something. let's say for touching one i have an intuitive understanding of why the world was carried by turtle rather than calipiter. [09:24]
diana_coman: and no, it's not a case of "ughhh, SO ugly " [09:25]
mircea_popescu: pretty weird looking for sure. [09:25]
shinohai: When I was in West Palm Beach once, I remember one of the most hilarious thing I saw on beach in the morning was DNR officers arresting 10-20 Hatians a morning for digging up turtle eggs to eat. [09:25]
mircea_popescu: heh [09:26]
diana_coman: yes, weird is a better description [09:26]
hanbot: asciilifeform i dun think so. certainly never saw 'im. [09:26]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any idea of which species of turtle it is ? what's it look like as adult ? [09:27]
diana_coman: caterpiller though ughhhhh I have seen real fat, oozy, ugly ones several summers as a child horrible [09:27]
diana_coman: when a poor tree is absolutely eaten up alive by the fat worms that fall at times with a splat on the path underneath [09:28]
diana_coman: among the "horrible things of the hot,hot plains in summer" [09:28]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no idea specifically, some kind of chelonioidae [09:28]
mircea_popescu: odds are, leatherback (dermochelys) [09:28]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as a child i imagined that caterpillars grow linearly thicker, heavier, moar revolting, as you go towards equator, and there they would be python-sized [09:29]
mircea_popescu: afaik all others have bony shells. but this was definitely leathery. [09:29]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ahaha, I can see that makes for a good nightmare too [09:29]
hanbot: mircea_popescu i dun think the guy in your pic is a leatherback they have long vertical ridges on their shells, whereas tinyguy has the sorta hexagonal plates [09:31]
mircea_popescu: hm. [09:31]
mircea_popescu: let's break out the big guns then. [09:31]
deedbot: << Trilema - Pushing the soft flesh and so on against the so and so blades of the immutable machine etcetera, second installment. [09:32]
mircea_popescu: so : there are four types of sea turtle known in costa rica. 1. eretmochelys imbricata, besides being VERY rare (critically endangered, too) has a beak, which the little guy lacks 2. chelonia mydas as far as anyone knows lives in tortuguero natl park, which is on the wrong side of the country (limon, vs this was if memory serves some miles down from jaco) 3. lepidochelis olivacea, besides not looking anything like that af [09:34]
mircea_popescu: aik, does the whole swarm thing where the whole beach is moving with tiny turtles, whereas i thought this was a single nest event, as there were what, a dozen or two all within a few meters of each other. [09:34]
asciilifeform: << i am disappoint!11 was expecting delish custom flame, found ~room-temp head-shaking! where is the spark, the gusto. [09:41]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 14:32 deedbot: << Trilema - Pushing the soft flesh and so on against the so and so blades of the immutable machine etcetera, second installment. [09:41]
BingoBoingo: So, before I send this missive off, does it convey the appropriate level of urgency and incredulity about the chassis situation [09:41]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "there is no way to" / "you can't even provide the bare bones necessary supplies for using your services" [09:42]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: shouldn't it be in orclang ? [09:42]
hanbot: mircea_popescu : no, that's it, the olive ridley. looky! [09:46]
mircea_popescu: o hey, right you are, aren't you. [09:47]
mircea_popescu: jesus, you know the females come back every year to the beach they were born. the fact that only one nested there successfully means... [09:47]
hanbot: lyf is hard [09:47]
mircea_popescu: hanbot bonus points : if you actually go through one of their dumbass "organized tours", other than the herd of fetlife cowsies everywhere, you're not even allowed to hold them! [09:51]
mircea_popescu: i suppose this explains why ~all of them automatically assume "this is my job". teh state has so failed the individual, it's inconceivable one might you know, fucking live. [09:52]
mircea_popescu: in other news, so they lay about 100 eggs sometime in november, hatching takes seven-eight weeks. considering these were coming out on nov 12th ?! weird shit. [09:54]
hanbot: i'm sure. in my experience "organized x" here means "tie yourself to 'bilingual' guide, by which we mean box of overeager wordsalad, listen to five precautions per actionable item, getcher FREE dorkscout badge" [09:54]
mircea_popescu: well, on the plus side they are carnivorous, so maybe they eat most of the guidebois. [09:54]
hanbot: that's an organization i could get behind, feed ze turtles (guideboi edition). [10:02]
mircea_popescu: apparently jaguars attack them, imagine that! [10:05]
hanbot: jaguars on the beach?! i'm not going often enough, i guess [10:06]
mircea_popescu: in other not-news, i've been shitting like a colon courrier over here, i had no fucking idea i was that fulla shit. [10:06]
mircea_popescu: apparently spending half a day being tumble-dried by the ocean is great for one's internals. [10:06]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "there is no way to" / "you can't even provide the bare bones necessary supplies for using your services" << Sent with the further reminder : "From our earliest conversations I was clear that housing customer provided hardware was the focus of my business. The quotes for new Supermicro servers have not interested them from a cost basis perspective, and now they are getting together a pile of hardware to [10:06]
BingoBoingo: send this way." [10:06]
mircea_popescu: hanbot apparently they eat the neck and leave the turtle for dead. [10:07]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo works. [10:07]
hanbot: mircea_popescu jeeze, they don't even leave the carcass on someone's doorstep? [10:08]
mircea_popescu: well, 30kgs, kinda too heavy [10:09]
hanbot: turtle's gotta evolve to spray some seawater in catfaces. [10:10]
shinohai: *Sigh* [10:11]
mircea_popescu: shinohai sadly misguided nevermind the "assholes", how about everyone else, all the copacetic timeservers ease the world of their unwelcome burden. [10:12]
shinohai: Misleading as well, they actually support anti-suicide efforts. [10:12]
mircea_popescu: heh. [10:13]
* shinohai would like to see Futurama suicide booths on every corner .... [10:13]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: shouldn't it be in orclang ? << No. They have made it clear they know more than enough English, and you don't make strong asks in their own linguistic territory. And the head of the tech team does fluent English including idiomatics. I have met enough of their people to know the message going to be understood. [10:13]
mircea_popescu: aaand in other historical lulz, [10:29]
mircea_popescu: !~google "Smoke billows from the Empire State Building in New York, July 28, 1945, after an Army B-25 bomber en route to Newark Airport crashed into the upper floors of the structure. Fires were started on the top 11 floors of the building." [10:29]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1945 Empire State Building B - 25 crash - Wikipedia: <> B - 25 Crashes Into Empire State Building - Audio: <> 164 best 9- 11 / empire state building images on Pinterest ...: < [10:29]
shinohai: Practice for 9/11 [10:35]
mircea_popescu: back then they built stronger, thing didn't collapse. [10:35]
BingoBoingo: Well, that was fast for Uruguay [10:38]
BingoBoingo: I am going to grab lunch and try to shake off some of this adrenalin [10:39]
mircea_popescu: word. [10:39]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gotta learn patience. the orcs generally mean well but can't manage to apply themselves. [10:39]
mircea_popescu: infuriating as all hell, i grant you, but then again such has been missionary work since 1492. [10:39]
mircea_popescu: FIVE CENTURIES. not appreciably closer to any kind of humanity. [10:40]
BingoBoingo: One day at a time, Keep it simple, easy does it, working on getting that AA groove back. I can only imagine how much more alien this shit would be if I would have went "jolo presents azn bsns" [10:45]
mircea_popescu: trinque ill tell you, this comments rss thing is fucking great. [10:45]
BingoBoingo: No creo que It took "this is an emergency" to get them to finally quote importing shit off of Amazon. Me voy a McDonalds. [10:47]
shinohai: <<< iBoot from ios9 leaked [10:58]
shinohai: Te vas a McDonalds BingoBoingo ? What has Uruguay done to you? [10:59]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in vintage mircea_popescu , << i had entirely forgotten that we had this in 2013. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: in other sads, the state of eg torrents is beyond broken. there's all these solved problems of the late 90s /early 2000s which we discover unpleasantly that the new generation utterly unsolved in the meanwhile. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean you really don't care about the most recent piece of holywood vomit, and that you think eg complete walter mathau filmography not being readilty available is scandalous! THIS IS NOT WHAT TORRENTS ARE FOR!" [11:16]
mircea_popescu: fuck me sideways, i had no idea torrents are for one to be able to amass fifty days' worth of hot topic cctv footage. [11:17]
asciilifeform: torrents were ~always thus [11:17]
mircea_popescu: not so always. at some point, they actually had depth. [11:17]
asciilifeform: otoh emule(donkey? i dun even know which is the original name) net somehow soldiers on, containing errything from ro tapes , scans of maths b00kz, obscure compilers for long-dead archs, just about whatever [11:18]
asciilifeform: for a laugh, search 'romanian', you get a TB of pr0n, mostly homo+scatological [11:19]
mircea_popescu: but i have no need for a tb of porn, scatological or eschatological. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: in fact, i am one of the (possibly few ?) who actually STILL, to this day, produces more porn than he consumes. [11:21]
asciilifeform: me neither i was that time looking for schoolbooks [11:21]
mircea_popescu: i still have raws of my own girls & their "lesbian" friends that i've not even summoned the interest to look through yet. [11:21]
asciilifeform: no one will believe, but i dun even have a collection of pron at all. [11:22]
asciilifeform: ( nor of pictures of food. though as a child i enjoyed those. ) [11:22]
mircea_popescu: what can you do. [11:24]
asciilifeform: ( what food ? naturally anyone who grew up in old su can prolly guess, this one , i.e. the sacramental 'Книга о вкусной и здоровой пище' . turns out it even has a ... lurkmoar! , ) [11:34]
mircea_popescu: re : anyone with an actual big endian machine (not emulator), besides the original phf ? [11:34]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 14:00 deedbot: << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 9: Byte Order and Bit Disorder in Keccak [11:34]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i uncrated one on friday [11:34]
asciilifeform: 800MHz 'g4' thing [11:35]
mircea_popescu: never you mind, you've got the ffa to do. [11:35]
asciilifeform: well yes that's why the crate [11:35]
ben_vulpes: lordy boiling frustration in ch9, diana_coman [11:38]
ben_vulpes: ive my hands full with servers por el bbisp but once i'm done and they're packed up i'll run the tests in ch9 but must cop at this moment to not being caught up with the series at all yet [11:39]
mircea_popescu: "specifications". made by people with implicit assumptions. best sewage-wine everr! [11:39]
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, as many other things before, keccak turned out to be yet another sort of ...problem before it can be of any use [11:40]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what's that all about, you also flying over or something ? [11:40]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aha, specifics not nailed down yet [11:41]
mircea_popescu: o hey. [11:42]
phf: << i have things to do before i go, which got compressed into one week from two [11:42]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 13:36 mircea_popescu: phf you've not said a word, how goes over there ? [11:42]
mircea_popescu: phf will you survive ? [11:42]
phf: otherwise i'm coordinating with those interested in shipping here, so far it's only dpb who reached out to me [11:42]
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Te vas a McDonalds BingoBoingo ? What has Uruguay done to you? << I had to see that the locals can indeed be beaten into doing some sort of business and made to enjoy it. [11:42]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not much more than 16u or so though, so it stays rackable. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: phf dja see basic problems with the plan as is, taking a dozen sets over ? [11:43]
ben_vulpes: so anyone who can't get materiel to phf by takeoff may talk to me about hauling machines down south. i expect folks to cover freight, pitch in on the trip costs, and guarantee reimbursement for VAT/IVA should it be levied at the airport. [11:44]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: currently estimating 3-6u, nothing nutty [11:44]
ben_vulpes: nothing stopping me at that other than time though [11:44]
mircea_popescu: phf [11:45]
ben_vulpes: oh and please to have machines at my domicile by the end of the month. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so you're thinking like early march ? are you stopping by here too ? [11:45]
phf: ben_vulpes: aw sucks, i'll be in portlandia in early march, wanted to schedule a get together [11:46]
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, one of the boxes flying with me has synced with my max aggression patch atop asciilifeform's aggressive pushgetblocks has climbed to 308K in 4 days [11:47]
mircea_popescu: at the rate we're going we'll end up with the first l1 get together through planes crashing into each other sometime this year. [11:47]
asciilifeform: neato ben_vulpes [11:47]
ben_vulpes: phf: well i'm flexible yet, gpg me some dates and i'll ensure to have time to say hello [11:47]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: post to the trb ml, sort what it's for [11:47]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: so that later can point, 'here's the experiment' [11:47]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: gonna ship another box with the timing patch from aeons ago, sync to completion and then post [11:48]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if yr hospitality extends to me i'd love to stop in [11:48]
* BingoBoingo is specing a different power supply that will actually fit in a 2U case, but is requesting the quote [11:48]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes sure. [11:49]
ben_vulpes: woo [11:49]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: one interesting hiccup was that when i synced in vanilla "connect to wide net" mode, this new node somehow got stuck and also i think triggered some weirdo crash/wedge on another machine of mine with a raid array of rust that had until that moment been hanging at the tip of the spear, but when run with -connect to the self-same (restarted) node a) the rust caught back up within an hour and b) [11:51]
ben_vulpes: the new box has been syncing unstoppedly since [11:51]
ben_vulpes: and before you ask for logs from the wedged box -- it simply stopped writing logs. damndest thing. [11:51]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i don't suppose you kept the ufo^H^H^Hcrash dump [11:51]
asciilifeform: eh. [11:51]
asciilifeform: no segfault in sys log either ? [11:52]
asciilifeform: nuffin ? [11:52]
ben_vulpes: nuffin. [11:52]
asciilifeform: this is poor experimental design, ben_vulpes [11:52]
ben_vulpes: what do you want to see next time? [11:52]
asciilifeform: something! [11:53]
mircea_popescu: the things asciilifeform has time for. [11:53]
ben_vulpes: i've another machine coming online this afternoon, i'll endeavour to reproduce [11:53]
ben_vulpes: meanwhile elsewhere: "I found a nice place where people are so stupid you can make up that an imaginary friend propped up a knife and wounded you, and they will take you seriously. God bless r/tulpas." [11:55]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems to me on the first pass the winning combo is 1.1 / 2.1 / 3.1 the phf objection to bit meaning precludes anything else it seems to me with the exception that won't bit-extraction (3.1) be particularly slow ? [12:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you two arrange to have teh nsa boxes shipped that way ? [12:09]
asciilifeform: which way [12:11]
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu wanted them dead last [12:11]
mircea_popescu: did you work out something with ben_vulpes re taking nsa boxes over to bb. [12:13]
asciilifeform: oh nope , i just nao found out that he's going [12:13]
asciilifeform: but yes i'd like to make use of ben_vulpes's shipment services, if mircea_popescu allocates a berth [12:14]
asciilifeform: ( i would also like to fill up with disks the 2 boxes that were made for mircea_popescu . but it would work just as well to fill them up on BB end , if other people are sending disks, when mircea_popescu feels like filling them ) [12:16]
phf: << what is that ascii says, "will throw it in the hopper" [12:30]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 14:03 diana_coman: phf, can you help test keccak on big endian iron? see ^ [12:30]
deedbot: << Bingo Blog - A Morning Of Growth And Magic Words [12:37]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, if input+output are considered at octet level, there is a case to say that reading out of the state is also done at octet level I'll mull this over a bit longer re speed as such (for the word-level implementation because the bit-level is just as slow either way) [12:47]
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu [14:42]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. [14:42]
BingoBoingo: Yo voy a un leccion de español para un poco tiempo. [14:46]
ben_vulpes: binance, an altcoin exchange with no representation in the forum, is down [14:50]
trinque: BingoBoingo: good luck buddy, and don't let it piss you off [14:51]
trinque: gotta squeeze the vendors! [14:51]
* trinque gets why mircea_popescu didn't want me squeezing the particular limb I grabbed, but still [14:52]
ben_vulpes: << more on support animals [14:57]
BingoBoingo: There at least is a number and a timeline to offer other vendors to beat. That is all I want to say about the quote for cases and power supplies before mircea_popescu reads it. The suspense today has probably aged me five years... [14:57]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i gotta wonder if these folx know about those mouse cartridges [14:59]
ben_vulpes: the excuse me what now? [15:00]
trinque: "flushed her emotional support hamster" << wahahaha [15:00]
TomServo: I'm dying here. [15:00]
trinque: if only there were a video. [15:01]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: some time iirc in the second bush term, there was a seekoority-theatre props vendor that sold 'bomb sniffer' using live mice. operator never saw the mice they shipped in sealed cartridges with fixed amt of food, water, red led turned on when it finally croaked and time for new cartridge. like xerox. [15:01]
TomServo: Now she'll have to step up to emotional support ardvark. [15:02]
asciilifeform: for some reason i dun recall any whining from the zoophilia people [15:03]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hah new one on me [15:05]
asciilifeform: fwiw i have nfi whether it took off. was pitched in the chemical warfare trade lit i was reading at the time. [15:06]
lobbes: "So she did what she felt was the most humane choice." My sides.. wtf. If situation wasn't absurd enough, the fact that she came to conclusion that "mammal slowly drowning in shitter" = moar humane than simply letting it loose in/around airport (or even taking a well placed shoe to it) puzzles me the most [15:15]
lobbes: Bonus lulz if it did not, in fact, flush and next bathroom patron had a not-so-pleasant suprise upon looking down [15:16]
phf: this must be a put on [15:20]
phf: "For the past several years, we've moved toward a more secure web by strongly advocating that sites adopt HTTPS encryption. And within the last year, we've also helped users understand that HTTP sites are not secure by gradually marking a larger subset of HTTP pages as "not secure". Beginning in July 2018 with the release of Chrome 68, Chrome will mark all HTTP sites as "not secure"." [15:34]
ben_vulpes: and you gotta use gcc 7 to get the spectre mitigations in gentoo [15:36]
phf: llvm only build. [15:37]
phf: gcc is unsafe, and this is all about making web safer for everyone. [15:37]
ben_vulpes: gcc has the ken thompson hack and llvm doesn't dontcha know [15:37]
ben_vulpes: fuck this noise i'm getting my ase cert and going into rally cars [15:38]
ben_vulpes: call me when btc crosses 100k and asciilifeform finally coughs up for the custom fab [15:39]
mod6: lol [15:39]
trinque: gotta use gcc7 to get the spectre mitigations in * [15:40]
phf: to be fair that goes back to the idea entertained in logs for going back to single purpose devices. no need to fear root escalation if all and only users are root :> [15:46]
trinque: myep, internet-connected devices are public devices, news at 11 [15:47]
phf: no, that's not what i said. internet connected devices are not inherently susceptible to spectre [15:47]
asciilifeform: lol who needs microarch exotica when you have magicdmapacket [15:48]
* trinque ought to have been more specific I guess. boxes with web browsers, or otherwise interpreting foreign non-signed data, are... [15:54]
trinque: which aha, sort of trumped by the swiss cheese networking gear itself [15:55]
phf: doing turing computation on behalf of non-wot-ed counterparties is haram [15:56]
phf: so let it be written, so let it be done [15:57]
phf: yes, scury away, chanserv, you to will fall in the first batlerian jihad. [15:57]
ben_vulpes: abandoned by chanserv [15:58]
ben_vulpes: who will service the chan now?! [15:58]
mod6: all cummers [15:59]
ben_vulpes: lol [15:59]
ben_vulpes: subj. of 60s/70s fiction, /me rereading zelazny's chronicles of amber for the first time in over a decade. did not age as poorly as i expected. [16:00]
phf: i reread chronicles about a year ago, "properly" this time by tracking down the entire set in pulp [16:04]
phf: i think zelazny aged well, but then i'm biased, i grew up on stuff [16:04]
phf: though i kind of like his random novels more at this point, lord of ligh, creates of light and darkness, jack of shadows, etc. [16:06]
ben_vulpes: lord of light also on the reread list, i can't actually remember what it was about for the life of me it's been so long. [16:08]
phf: he the most reminds me of the kind of teenage 70s-80s that i caught only tail end of, progrock, heavy metal magazine, d&d, church of satan, slew of those illustrators, like giger [16:09]
phf: syd mead, jean giraud, dan simmons hyperion. the tail end of some adaquate boyhood culture [16:11]
ben_vulpes: heh yeah the chronicles has a flavor very similar to that 'heavy metal' set of shorts [16:11]
ben_vulpes: dude i just reread hyperion and fall of endymion too for the first time as an adult [16:11]
ben_vulpes: girl put this miserable pulp "ninefox gambit" in front of me recently, and i've been bingeing to get the taste out of my mouth [16:12]
ben_vulpes: shit was gaaaaaaaaay [16:12]
ben_vulpes: as in actually homoerotic with gay brotherly incest thrown in to boot [16:13]
ben_vulpes: it's what you get for picking things based on "it was written by a queer person of color" rather than "it is actually good" [16:13]
phf: well, it's a slashfiction fiction slash. i've picked up a few "scifi" books and it all goes in that direction somehow [16:13]
mod6: lol [16:13]
ben_vulpes: i muchly prefer the manly men doing manly stabbings and gambling and whoring tyvm [16:14]
ben_vulpes: (given as my life is so very pedestrian probably) [16:14]
ben_vulpes: and just to purge the queue, also read the last few books in the robert jordan and friends and children series and yup it ends exactly as you'd imagine good guys win bad guys get locked up for another eternity until the cycle starts all over again millenia hence [16:16]
phf: i've not really heard about jordan until i came to u.s., and then from the usual suspects, so i didn't feel inclined to read him [16:18]
ben_vulpes: i was infected by that one as an actual child [16:19]
phf: i suspect the easter european equivalent would be andrzey sapkowski [16:21]
phf: as in a kind of mindless high fantasy soap opera [16:22]
phf: easter europeans: [16:27]
* phf had an easy in with a certain of kind girl growing up, because my dad new sapkowski and i still have a signed copy of miecz przeznaczenia somewhere [16:29]
ben_vulpes: heeeeeere's johnny! [16:40]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahahaa 6.6 grand pre their derpy tax for mounts ? [16:43]
phf: [16:43]
mircea_popescu: get the everloving fuck out of this planed, what the fuck is this. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: at 20 days ? [16:43]
mircea_popescu: my opinion is why the fuck am i working with these retardsa. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: << hey, google is anti-safe. the less google anything you use, the better your world is. [16:44]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 20:37 phf: gcc is unsafe, and this is all about making web safer for everyone. [16:44]
mircea_popescu: <<->> [16:45]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 20:40 trinque: PRETTY FUCKIN CONVENIENT ISN'T IT [16:45]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 14:34 mp_en_viaje: so no, protected mode hasn't become because it offered. the pantsuit decided it must be, and therefore prevented the non-mongoloid child from offering. [16:45]
phf: woosh [16:45]
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em. [16:45]
mircea_popescu: phf aaaand what just flew ? [16:46]
phf: heh [16:48]
phf: in america they like to put "special kids" into building with normal people, and there was a retard kid in one of the buildings i lived in, every time he saw a helicopter he'd start yelling "belly bopter! belly bopter!" [16:49]
phf: weirdest things get stock in memory.. [16:49]
trinque: too bad, a few generations on he could've been a 'tarded pilot. [16:50]
phf: i can see that, they always have two pilots on commercial lines, so they'll just stick the two together, and it's an unwritten rule that the sane guy has to stay vigilant for the duration of the whole flight, but he can't say it, because he'll get fired. [16:51]
phf: of course when they crash, it's always the sane guy's fault, "technical failure" [16:52]
ben_vulpes: what kind of building was this phf, school? [16:53]
trinque: kinda explains why a relation did so well on his way into an airline's training dept, only to promptly leave the job once had. [16:54]
phf: ben_vulpes: nah, actually a swanky highrise. it's some kind of social program where they rent $3000 apartments to special needs kids, i suspect with some kind of discount--tax break deal [16:56]
ben_vulpes: i'm guessing no 'poor door'? [16:57]
ben_vulpes: "it was not evident at the time the nuances of where the doors would be" har har har [16:58]
ben_vulpes: exactly the "get another car" thing mircea_popescu described [16:58]
ben_vulpes: (the log line of which i cannot find) [17:00]
phf: would defeat the whole purpose, you want it to be conspicuous [17:02]
ben_vulpes: gross [17:05]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo ahahaa 6.6 grand pre their derpy tax for mounts ? << Before the 22% VAT no less [17:06]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> get the everloving fuck out of this planed, what the fuck is this. << It's seeming a lot like [17:07]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 01:18 mp_en_viaje: yeee. keep your cool, most common moment for things to be fucked up is upon first success. [17:07]
ben_vulpes: how about this us stock market blowoff: 9% loss in less than a month! stocks clearly too volatile to be worth anything as grownup investments. [17:10]
mod6: << "small potatoes" [17:23]
ben_vulpes: haw [17:25]
trinque: stocks down, bond yields up, and meanwhile congress just passed some gigantic expansion of the budget [17:33]
trinque: federal govt: "I'm not dead yet!" [17:33]
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu The whole email thread from this morning through their suggesting desktop power supplies to go with rackmount cases to my polite suggestion the numbers and timeline aren't acceptable. Fuck me, and fuck these monkeys with their SHHHH SHHH sounds. Fucking monkeys just have turned operation "Make BingoBoingo rich 2018" into a clusterfuck by entertaining the "Let's [17:35]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: No closing quotation [17:35]
BingoBoingo: extort the gringo on SHEETMETAL" idea [17:35]
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: good luck buddy, and don't let it piss you off << This wasn't a euphamism. Actual spanish lesson with the Venezolana dentist turned teacher. [17:37]
BingoBoingo: Yo voy a caminar un poco. [17:37]
trinque: ah I was reacting to the blog post [17:38]
trinque: should've been a comment [17:38]
phf: [17:42]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 14:51 phf: in fact my bed&briekfast guy is very much "an old dutch moves to an indian village": "license costs 300rs, but they found another irregularity so i have to pay 10'000rs fee" [17:42]
BingoBoingo: trinque: Ah [17:49]
BingoBoingo: Still, I present "here is an emergency" Let's work through this. In the most charitable interpretation they decide to do what the PUA's call a shit test. In the most likely case an attempt at extortion. I was expecting "This pile costs X in lands with commerce, duties customs etc cost X, and transport costs Y depending on how fast we get it here." [17:53]
phf: i'm not sure what the thinking is, but they can't really do anything that you can't do, as far as importing hardware. literally they'll have to do all the same steps + potentially navigating local import specifics [17:55]
phf: so there's two points here, one is that you're opening yourself up for extortion commonly known as "valet service" [17:56]
phf: other point is that since we've never actually tried importing anything into uruguay that "+ local import specifics" might translate into extortion on the border (which, say, was sop in russia in the 90s) [17:57]
phf: so the combination of those two points is that it's possible that dc knows about full overhead of import + they charge you for valet. considering that you're a ~random dude~ dropping serious cash on their server rack that is of right now entirely empty, it's safe for them to assume that you have mad american cash burning yer pockets [17:59]
BingoBoingo: All I know is rack, human behavior. Connectivity, human behavior. Hardware MONKEYS! [17:59]
phf: "all i know" is a poor stance to take in a situation that requires tactical thinking [18:00]
* BingoBoingo voy a caminar and burn more andrenalin off. [18:01]
phf: you also could for example look at the gestalt of the dynamic process. rack and connectivity is their walk in bread and butter. they probably overcharged you, but not by much, because it was their first interaction with you. meanwhile dynamic process evolves. they are probably sad now that they didn't overcharge you more for rack, compensating on hardware (that's another alternative take on what's going on) [18:02]
trinque: overcharged by 200/mo as per my own casual probing [18:03]
mircea_popescu: << well so don't do that. [18:05]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 21:13 ben_vulpes: it's what you get for picking things based on "it was written by a queer person of color" rather than "it is actually good" [18:05]
mircea_popescu: by the time they advertise that sorta dumb shit, you know it belongs in the furnace. [18:06]
mircea_popescu: << stuck, lol [18:08]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 21:49 phf: weirdest things get stock in memory.. [18:08]
mircea_popescu: << absolutely. the principal reason i will not consider any pantsuitlands real estate ownership ever is that they actually have the unmitigated cheek to use printed "money" to install the scum in there "too". [18:09]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 21:56 phf: ben_vulpes: nah, actually a swanky highrise. it's some kind of social program where they rent $3000 apartments to special needs kids, i suspect with some kind of discount--tax break deal [18:09]
mircea_popescu: "“Walking into a building should not be any different based on income status,” Ms. Glen said in an interview." << inept pantsuit wank. the only way poor people walk into a human building is as long as they're female, before their 30th birthday and if they have enough sense not to put clothes on. what the everloving fuck is this, they're people now, the poor fucks ?! [18:14]
mircea_popescu: and why am i even reading fake news central, jaysys [18:15]
mircea_popescu: << hey, better than shutdown!! [18:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 22:33 trinque: stocks down, bond yields up, and meanwhile congress just passed some gigantic expansion of the budget [18:17]
mircea_popescu: <<< i guess we'll be having to pile up even more shit in the transport. by now uruguay is worth ~nothing. can't produce papwerowkr, can't produce cash, can't produce gear... [18:18]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 22:37 BingoBoingo: Yo voy a caminar un poco. [18:18]
* trinque agrees, why fade away when you can burn out [18:18]
mircea_popescu: anyway, pick an item from the actual suppliers lessee. [18:18]
mircea_popescu: phf what's your guess as to your weight limit ? 20 ? 30 ? 50 ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu: << the only point to my eyes is that someone fucked in the head enough to run something they call "datacenter" without one ton of spare racks laying about is not distinguishable from three twelve year old white boys in a "tree fort" running a "porn business" through taking complicatedly filtered ipad shots of their own palms. [18:20]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 22:56 phf: so there's two points here, one is that you're opening yourself up for extortion commonly known as "valet service" [18:20]
mircea_popescu: if they don'\t have rackmounts, why exactly am i to believe they have, eg, generators. [18:20]
mircea_popescu: seems to me the man without a spare in the trunk is also not going to have an engine in working order. [18:20]
phf: 23kg two bags, each extra 11kg extra $100 obviously more packed -- higher chance of structural damage. [18:30]
phf: it's a vacation spot, all the recommendations people send my way involve beaches, bitches and hot springs. i don't see why i should pack anything more than a pair of shorts [18:32]
mircea_popescu: i see. the bitch with the rack mounts is that they're heavy. [18:32]
mircea_popescu: anyway BingoBoingo do not omit to point to the monkeys that they're now the laughingstock of the internet as the ~only "datacenter" in the world that doesn't have enough sense to stock a pile of mounts for the customers. [18:33]
phf: i mean, the question is how much ~i~ can carry, vs. how costly it's going to rapidly become [18:33]
mircea_popescu: what's next, "bring your own plates" fine dining ? [18:33]
asciilifeform: shouldn't the dc at least have a stash of iron belonging to defunkt/insolvent tenants [18:33]
mircea_popescu: if they weren't dropped on their heads as children... [18:34]
asciilifeform: hard to believe that it all goes ~immediately~ to the scrap gypsies [18:34]
mircea_popescu: hard to believe uruguayan people manage to somehow eat, by now. [18:34]
trinque: phf's "shit, didn't overcharge enough for the rack" hypothesis is pretty plausible. [18:34]
asciilifeform: do they ? eat on own power, i mean. or does somebody fill their bowl with kibble, like in argentina [18:35]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. [18:35]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you actually know what mounts you need/want exactly ? lemme know. [18:36]
mircea_popescu: phf watch how five days ain't gonna even vaguely be enough sheesh. [18:36]
phf: so when you guys say "racks", you mean chassis right? [18:50]
BingoBoingo: For a chassis either of these would work [19:02]
BingoBoingo: For a power supply this should be sufficient [19:02]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you have weight specs for either of these ? [19:03]
phf: "A rack mount case should fit in a standard 19" EIA rack. They call it a 19" rack for a reason. It's not a 19 1/4" rack. The edge of this case's ears are 19 1/4", had to grind them to fit my rack. Also one EIA space..." [19:03]
phf: first product [19:03]
phf: 6kg [19:04]
mircea_popescu: holy hell what [19:04]
BingoBoingo: Holy shit [19:04]
mircea_popescu: omfg. [19:05]
mircea_popescu: Weight 6.4 kg/14 lb (NET) 9.1 kg/20 lb (GROSS) [19:05]
BingoBoingo: Reading more [19:05]
mircea_popescu: 6 POINT FOUR! NET! [19:05]
phf: "It's worth mentioning that out of the 4 of these I've purchased so far, I got one for which the front USB ports are shorted and kill USB devices you plug into it. I lost two flash drives before realizing this was the problem. " second product, lulz. thought that's like random factor in cheap chinese shit [19:05]
mircea_popescu: dude how fucking long have i been asleep whjat the fuck is this never in my life have i held a mount chassis this heavy ever. [19:05]
mircea_popescu: so how do you feel about 76.8 kgs worth of chassis phf ! [19:06]
mircea_popescu: !~google snatch "heavy is good... heavy is reliable... if the dc is manned by idiots you can always hit them with it..." [19:06]
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mircea_popescu: (the power supply is like 3kgs, and that's not fucking avoidable) [19:07]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im tell you i'm deeply nonplussed that i discover you can't actually rack anything in the dc you reported walked through after renting it and the very fucking day i'm supposed to start ordering parts. [19:09]
mircea_popescu: wtf have you been doing till now! [19:09]
shinohai: Build own! [19:10]
mircea_popescu: even if sane chassis were to be found, you can't find weightless power supplies (why exactly the rack provides 220V rather than directly rail is a question for another time and why this was't raised as a point at any previous time.) and there's simply no way i can have phf drag 50+ kgs of ~worthless parts across the oceans. [19:12]
deedbot: << BARKS IN THE WIND - Copa Airlines baggage policy [19:26]
BingoBoingo: They have empty cabinets on casters ready to go. They have C13 plugs on the power distribution units. I failed to anticipate the hell that would be getting formed sheet metal here. I have apparently not been doing enough investigation into these basic questions. And the quote came late enough that I am probably not going to know until tomorrow if any of the local vendors that just now stated talking are going to keep doing it. I have [19:31]
BingoBoingo: been trying to find and screen locals that might be useful for anything while staying somewhat sane. [19:31]
BingoBoingo: And I am feeling right fucked about getting myself here. [19:32]
BingoBoingo: In this dilemma. [19:32]
BingoBoingo: In a country that is only avoiding starvation because the Brazilians like doing the Cannabis tourism thing. [19:33]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> do they ? eat on own power, i mean. or does somebody fill their bowl with kibble, like in argentina << They afford to farm on Brazillian tourists money. How they have the ability to get from there to lifting the fork into their mouths I have increasingly less idea. [19:34]
ben_vulpes: phf: what's involved in "transporting as cargo"? [19:34]
phf: ben_vulpes: it's a standard cargo service, separate from flight engagement [19:38]
phf: i.e. you pack it in a box (300kg max, 70kg each individual box), weigh and measure it, send them a quote. i don't know what the specific prices are [19:41]
mircea_popescu: it's only available on some lines though, eg that aren't already overloaded with girly underpants. [19:57]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you mean c14 ? [19:58]
BingoBoingo: This gets under ~5 kg at 10.6 lbs reviews aren't bad [19:58]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: c13 [19:58]
BingoBoingo: The plug that goes into the power supply is the same that goes into the PDU [19:58]
BingoBoingo: Ah, c13 [19:59]
BingoBoingo: *c14 [19:59]
mircea_popescu: both exist so which is it ? [19:59]
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the only possible moves here seem to be a) phf see if the airline is willing to take a ~100 kgs as cargo b) BingoBoingo DO THE RESEARCH tonight, as to b.1) EXACTLY, ~absolutely~ exactly what parts do you actually need and b.2) list of places you could conceivably get it at there, whatever shops. then tomorrow starting 8am you go check all of those. no words, be shown the physical item. [20:04]
mircea_popescu: nfi how you'll manage to actually pay for anything locally, seeing how you very indolently allowed yourself to be painted into this corner where you have no bank account and can't sell bitcoins, but that's a problem to be tackled later. [20:05]
mircea_popescu: and bear in fucking mind that the reason happened on the 6th at 2am rather than on the 9th at 2am is PRECISELY so that we have this conversation at the latest during the 6th, not during the fucking 9th. [20:07]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? [20:07]
mircea_popescu: i have no idea where this cavallier attitude is coming from, but the only thing it'll come to is tears, if the point's not well driven home by now. [20:08]
mircea_popescu: leaving aside we don't even know what disks we're buying. eg, the rosewill chassis only usefully takes 3.5 inch ones. [20:15]
BingoBoingo: The point is clear. Making a list. Taking both cameras and extra batteries on the search. [20:16]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> leaving aside we don't even know what disks we're buying. eg, the rosewill chassis only usefully takes 3.5 inch ones. << 2.5 to 3.5 shims are on the list [20:16]
mircea_popescu: (most ssds are 2.5". will you need adaptors ? THAT sort of thing) [20:16]
BingoBoingo: Do we have a quantity on drives? [20:21]
BingoBoingo: 1, 2, 3, or more per machine? [20:22]
mircea_popescu: the idea was some 2 some 4, so 36 in total. [20:38]
* mircea_popescu is trying not to think of the obvious point that if he's buying by the dozen he's supposed to be getting fucking discounts. [20:38]
shinohai: "How Socialism Ruined Latin America" [20:38]
BingoBoingo: 36 it is [20:39]
mircea_popescu: yes but 36 whats lol. [20:42]
BingoBoingo: SSD's over 500 GB in size. If they go in phf's bag Samsung. On my list I am asking every store what they have if they have it. [20:49]
shinohai: Bwahahahaha "California Assemblywoman Who Championed #MeToo Movement Accused of Groping Former Staffer" [21:10]
ben_vulpes: "hoist upon own petard" [21:15]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nevermind asking for ssds locally, it's not worth it. [21:24]
BingoBoingo: ok [21:24]
mircea_popescu: what you want is everything else you might need, other than boards/cpus/rams/disks. [21:24]
mircea_popescu: all the cheap heavy shit that's not really worth courriering. [21:24]
deedbot: << Bingo Blog - BBisp Shopping And Shops List For Exploring [23:28]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ct16g3r186dm specifically. it's not simply "ddr 3". it's actually 1866, these things matter. [23:39]
mircea_popescu: and of course mind the "limit x per customer" bullshit. and so on. [23:41]
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