Forum logs for 07 Dec 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
ben_vulpes: phf, jurov: thank you [00:26]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level? [00:28]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/circle-exits-bitcoinfiat-exchange-business/ << Qntra - Circle Exits Bitcoin/Fiat Exchange Business [00:51]
BingoBoingo: In other fronts of Judaism vs Islam https://www.thefix.com/sugar-daddies-vs-recovery [01:34]
ben_vulpes: https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone << nowhere mentioned "fancy-ass nixy laptops for hipster-ass rorbros" [04:04]
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: in the merkel article, s/Germans having been taking/Germans have been taking/ ? :) [05:08]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that link dun werk! https://archive.is/lzImt [07:18]
jurov: ben_vulpes: i'd definitely like to see such thing. otherwise i don't get this obsession with marking stuff "halal" and "haram". [07:20]
jurov: and preemptively, even more so. [07:22]
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who beil cybart is but the article in question is spun copy, a notch under of the conceptual value of fanfiction and about on par with wikipedia articles. [07:24]
mircea_popescu: anyway intel knows him, "one of the more accurate predictors of apple's earnings" guy's been announcing "apple building new company" bla bla for a year [07:25]
mircea_popescu: more's the point : whatcha mean with the haram halal thing jurov ? [07:26]
jurov: that everything must be categorized as forbidden or allowed [07:26]
mircea_popescu: isn't this fundamentally the work of intelligence ? [07:27]
jurov: if it works for you, cool. every time i tried to forbid somehing, turned out I was the fool. [07:27]
mircea_popescu: well, but did you have a reasoning behind it ? [07:28]
shinohai: We forbid you to forbid things. [07:28]
mircea_popescu: c'est interdit a interdire lol. [07:28]
jurov: what reasoning? on basis of experience, i concluded it won't work [07:29]
mircea_popescu: ok, and so then when it did you learned something. [07:29]
jurov: There's also possibility I misunderstood ben_vulpes, ofc. [07:31]
mircea_popescu: well... what was he declaring haram ? i'm confused on that part. [07:31]
jurov: he asked us to [07:31]
mircea_popescu: ok, but what ? [07:31]
jurov: "vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level" [07:32]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha i thought you meant that apple pr piece, i was totally lost here. [07:32]
mircea_popescu: well, technically he asked alf, so there is that. none of our bidnis :D [07:33]
jurov: heh [07:33]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lQY71/?raw=true [08:05]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [08:05]
mircea_popescu: soo... anyone want to sell me bitcoin for $100 paypal ? o.O [08:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll do it [08:27]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pgpgram re who/where [08:27]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/55CD9F30ACFFAF6583F74987FBF4CC60F05BF7145C543061E9F49F1C7DB83443 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1626...2569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.78.171 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.78.171 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (5429.ovz-ssd9.hc.ru. RU) [08:28]
mircea_popescu: works ty. [08:28]
Framedragger: hundred bucks? ich verstehe nicht :O [08:31]
mircea_popescu: lol [08:31]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-dec-2016#2204895 << theoretically v works exactly same with any diffing algo. but if you keep more than one type around, you gotta distinguish'em somehow, e.g., call your sexpr vtron's patches 'foo.lpatch' or similar [08:33]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 05:28 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level? [08:33]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'd recommend instead to use standard text formatting scheme (slime's, say) for all lispolade. [08:34]
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzE3NXGXEAEGh99.jpg <<< help Google with their keylogger [08:45]
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578982 << fuck i just got it. been too long. not a WHOLE btc. D'OH [08:46]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 13:23 mircea_popescu: soo... anyone want to sell me bitcoin for $100 paypal ? o.O [08:46]
mircea_popescu: well no lol. some tiny fragment. [08:48]
davout: #trilema, the temple of bitcoin finance [08:52]
davout: :D [08:52]
mircea_popescu: apparently. [08:52]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578956 << recall, they stopped making these recently. i literally bought ghe LAST one (2, actually, 1 for a relative) [08:53]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 09:04 ben_vulpes: https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone << nowhere mentioned "fancy-ass nixy laptops for hipster-ass rorbros" [08:53]
shinohai: #trilema-otc [08:53]
asciilifeform: RIP, sorta-working-high-res-unix-lapppy. [08:55]
asciilifeform: they are no moar. [08:55]
asciilifeform: (can you picture using a box with no 'esc' key for text entry?!) [08:58]
davout: esp. true for vimfags [09:00]
asciilifeform: welcome, ben_vulpes , to the dour world of amd opteron et al, where 'working box is moarprecious than gold, because gold is merely an element in mendeleev table and you can always get more, but there will only get fewer boxes, and quickly' [09:01]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: related: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/10/benjamin_button_reviews_the_new_macbook_pro/ [09:08]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: aaah claasic [09:08]
* asciilifeform saw before , somebody linked [09:09]
Framedragger: probably me on #b-a :p [09:09]
mircea_popescu: anyway, the way "tech" works in the us aka sv is very simply : get the "hipster ass rorbros" on the wagon, then sell them out later for mass market. [09:17]
mircea_popescu: kinda the deep reason smart people are so very hesitant to join anything. which is all the better - a divided elite is how the plebs get to pretend they matter. [09:17]
mircea_popescu: just like men clean up their kitchen to ensure their survival, just so fungi dirty up the kitchen, to ensure THEIR survival, and of the rats, cockroaches and other elements of the same ecosystem. [09:18]
mircea_popescu: passive niche support is what the game is all about, because indirect effects overwhelm direct effects in nature. [09:18]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ << Trilema - Sad times in the Fiat Empire - apparently you can't give the dollar away these days. [09:23]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: nice message and all, but just fyi #bitcoin-otc seems still alive [09:26]
Framedragger: dunno if they like you there tho [09:26]
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less, but sum up the trades for the day, do they come to $100 ? [09:27]
Framedragger: (well, 'alive' as in there are nyms logged in.) [09:27]
mircea_popescu: your thought process never ceases to amaze me :) [09:27]
Framedragger: i've joined about the time you asked about ppusd, getting reminded via nostalgia. there was no interaction as of yet :p [09:27]
Framedragger: maybe too early [09:28]
mircea_popescu: hey, im sure they could buy lithuania [09:28]
mircea_popescu: if apple could buy russia, why not. [09:28]
Framedragger: heh [09:28]
mircea_popescu: there are, after all, NYMS SIGNED IN [09:28]
Framedragger: i'm just sayin', you didn't try hard enough :p [09:28]
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of worthless dollars sloshing around. what was that ? i didn't... try hard enough to find the real place where they don't have meat in exchange for rubles ? [09:29]
Framedragger: i mean, it does seem pretty pathetic... plus, yknow, pay-"call me / charge me back some time"-pal [09:30]
asciilifeform: and hey, monopoly does what it likes [09:31]
mircea_popescu: moreover... why do you think a company would take bitcoin, but refund in fiatola ? [09:31]
asciilifeform: if the next lappy comes with spiked anal cone, what, ben_vulpes won't buy? [09:31]
mircea_popescu: good money drives OUT the bad. [09:31]
mircea_popescu: an they know this. [09:31]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if they're anything like the earlier 'bitpay' scam, they hold 0 btc [09:32]
asciilifeform: and can only emit fiatola [09:32]
asciilifeform: any btc they get hold of goes straight to waterfall [09:33]
mircea_popescu: oh wait, the divisibility fallacy ? "the rat doesn't eat because the mouth doesn't hold on to any food!" ? [09:36]
mircea_popescu: gimme a break. [09:36]
asciilifeform: it was my understanding that this rat swallows, digests, and shits within three seconds [09:37]
mircea_popescu: mno. all fiat companies are the same company, call it the united states department of business fronts. [09:40]
asciilifeform: if they actually sold the coinz on the waterfall, and reddit chumpers have it nao, how would you picture them to disgorge it back ? [09:41]
mircea_popescu: that they picked a specialist which handles bitcoin storage is not germane the rat also picked a specialist which handles the fats cycle, called a liver. this doesn't mean the rat dun eat, nor does it mean charcoal is cheese or vice-versa. [09:41]
mircea_popescu: the rat's preference for cheese over charcoal is dispositive in the matter. [09:41]
asciilifeform: why would they store it ? [09:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? if bitcoin were weaker than fiat ? [09:41]
mircea_popescu: it'd be good business. [09:41]
mircea_popescu: you always want to pay in silver and be paid in gold. that's the rule that "nobody knows it" has little bearing. [09:42]
mircea_popescu: grandfathers knew it. [09:42]
phf: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-dec-2016#2204895 << just fyi, while you can diff an intermediate ~state~ of an image as a sexp, common lisp's input is a ~character stream~. builtin dispatch ~mostly~ operates on forms (like #p #. (concatenate 'string "foo" "bar")), but not always, like #\ comment reads till end of line. [09:50]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 05:28 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is there an argument for vetoing out-of-hand a v/patch implementation that diffs at the sexpr level rather than the line level? [09:50]
mircea_popescu: ^ [09:51]
mircea_popescu: the notion is not so unlike "what if we diffed asts". it's a bad idea because now you want the "encoding". [09:52]
diana_coman: !!key EDLionX [10:07]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/JvRoO/?raw=true [10:07]
diana_coman: !!rate EDLionX hard-working euloran noob [10:08]
deedbot: hands you a broomstick. [10:08]
diana_coman: !!rate EDLionX 1 hard-working euloran noob [10:08]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/YGSHQ/?raw=true [10:08]
diana_coman: !!v 16E921C9EED8785749555E4189246AD80F3C8D73B85238CB53B861E5E208B760 [10:09]
deedbot: diana_coman rated EDLionX 1 << hard-working euloran noob [10:09]
mircea_popescu: yeah that's a point. [10:11]
mircea_popescu: !!rate EDLionX One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date. [10:12]
deedbot: hands you a broomstick. [10:12]
mircea_popescu: !!rate EDLionX 1 One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date. [10:12]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/cEdMP/?raw=true [10:12]
mircea_popescu: !!v 4E6B41AE30C2330D39F52ADE1A1C6553A9BA155B81D14BB865C6D452AD6D29CA [10:12]
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated EDLionX 1 << One of the sharpest Eulora noobs to date. [10:12]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65F341354F31545C93BE093F7D772392E757E7F7379E2F1A43817607FBE671AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1508...6879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.194.69 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.194.69 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (ns1.a-webhosting.cz. CZ) [10:17]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2C8FC5503BFD645E3509CCC14724B450F5A76F4BD4329A307F76444312ABDE0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1523...8373 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.168.112.80 (ssh-rsa key from 81.168.112.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown GB) [10:17]
mircea_popescu: part of all of this - "asciilifeform" "framedragged" will be permanently associated with "a list of derpy boxes" huh. [10:18]
asciilifeform: could be worse. [10:19]
mircea_popescu: i guess in time we'll find out exactly how :D [10:19]
asciilifeform: rate asciilifeform -9999 singlehandedly responsible for reactor meltdown, made entire vicinity of betelgeuse unorbitable [10:22]
asciilifeform: etc [10:22]
asciilifeform: openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 77.93.194.69:443 [10:26]
asciilifeform: depth=0 C = XY, ST = Snake Desert, L = Snake Town, O = "Snake Oil, Ltd", OU = Webserver Team, CN = www.snakeoil.dom, emailAddress = www@snakeoil.dom [10:26]
asciilifeform: lel [10:26]
asciilifeform: https://81.168.112.80/logon.shtml << 'Watchguard Fireware' [10:28]
asciilifeform: ^ new lultron [10:28]
asciilifeform: http://www.watchguard.com << didjaknow. [10:29]
mircea_popescu: i did not know [10:29]
asciilifeform: 'Next-Generation Firewall Security on your terms, with enterprise-speed protection at the edge of your network. Unified Threat Management Maximum performance and security in an all-in-one appliance with built-in headroom.' etc. etc. [10:29]
asciilifeform: i also did not know! [10:30]
mircea_popescu: i don't think the boxes knew either. [10:30]
asciilifeform: man in a nuthouse. he cowers in the corner, won't let anyone come near, in very odd pose. finally the d00dz in white coats come. they ask: [10:31]
asciilifeform: 'what do you think is happening' [10:31]
asciilifeform: 'i am an acorn' [10:31]
asciilifeform: 'didn't we explain yesterday, that you are not an acorn? it's ok to walk in the park' [10:31]
asciilifeform: 'well ~i~! know now that i'm not an acorn. but do THE SQUIRRELS know??????' [10:31]
mircea_popescu: aha! [10:35]
asciilifeform: (incidentally almost every single nuthouse joke in existence is only half-funny to programmers, who live in it, in all of them...) [10:37]
mircea_popescu: do you know the "why are you pulling that string" ? [10:37]
asciilifeform: nein [10:37]
mircea_popescu: "what'd you have me do, PUSH it ?" [10:38]
asciilifeform: lul [10:38]
mircea_popescu: speaking of fiat world : citibank had a branch in brunei since 1972 it was closed in 2014. hsbc is closing down. guess who received permission to open this spring ? [10:41]
phf: bank of america? [10:42]
mircea_popescu: eh who's letting the soviets in. no, no. bank of china. [10:42]
phf: oh i was going to say cbc next [10:42]
phf: "This is part of the group’s global review of businesses and represents a significant step in HSBCs goal to optimise its global network and reduce complexity outlined during the HSBC Investor Update on June 9, 2015." "optimise and reduce" huh [10:46]
mircea_popescu: phf first they kicked out the us then the brits (historically colonial owner) [10:46]
mircea_popescu: nato reich gradually being ghettoized, i dunno who the fuck will swallow this theory whereby you actually want to move banking out of brunei. what, world's richest state ? mmkay. [10:49]
asciilifeform: will petrosultanates remain rich after nato army umbrella wanders away ? [10:50]
mircea_popescu: you kidding, brunei has its own army! three companies! and own navy! five frigatges! [10:51]
asciilifeform: will go in new jp empire. [10:52]
asciilifeform: Sphere of Asian Coprosperity!111111 [10:52]
mircea_popescu: copro alright. [10:52]
phf: "reduce group risk weighted assets by about US$290 billion" ... "we will be selling our operation in Turkey. We’ll also be selling our operation in Brazil, but plan to maintain a modest corporate banking presence to serve about 300 international clients in Brazil. We are actually going to keep Mexico" ... "So we moved away from the World’s Local Bank" ... "We’ve exited 15 countries, reducing from 87 to 73 so far, and whole lines of [10:57]
phf: business exits – for example retail banking in Thailand – in 10 more countries." [10:57]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [10:58]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us still pretends it doesn't know who or what the icbc is, as discussed last year and etc [10:58]
mircea_popescu: "apple COULD buy russia meanwhile icbc bought south america" [10:59]
mircea_popescu: and as per the "Won't fucking yield" disbelief, they'll go to their shallow grave kicking and screaming about how great the reich is and how black women matter or some dorkage. [11:02]
asciilifeform: 'yield' means to go to same grave today instead of tomorrow. who the fuck yields. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing that'd keep them from coming here and giving away the nuclear button to the l1. yes we'd butcher some daughters / most sons, but so what of it - some'd survive. even the cod knows this much, that the correct reaction is to throw the meat at the knife, rather than to try and protect it. [11:04]
asciilifeform: theoretically same 'nothing' kept germany from surrendering in '43 [11:05]
mircea_popescu: actually, post leningrad. correct move would have been conditional surrender mid august 1942. [11:06]
asciilifeform: bbbbbut wunderwaffen!1111 [11:07]
mircea_popescu: mno. idiot planners always do this single-lobe bs. [11:07]
mircea_popescu: THE MOMENT you slate august 9th for lavish banquet at astoria, YOU THEREBY ALSO slate unconditional surrender in any other case. [11:07]
mircea_popescu: play with fucking real money wtf is this bs., [11:08]
asciilifeform: dunno that any of these folx have seen, touched, smelled real money. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: sad. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: and in other thinspiration / ana : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/%D0%94%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F.jpg [11:20]
mircea_popescu: notice that apparently, the tit goes last. [11:20]
phf: Апатия истаявшей свечи... \ Все перечни и признаки сухие \ Того, что по-ученому врачи \ Зовут «алиментарной дистрофией» \ И что не латинист и не филолог \ Определяет русским словом «голод». [11:28]
mircea_popescu: glod, evidently cognate, is "dirt" in romanian. not so much as the generative mud but as unwelcome dirt. [11:29]
asciilifeform: 'В мире есть царь: этот царь беспощаден, Голод названье ему.' (tm) (r) (nekrasov) [11:34]
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/ISTTX << speaking of 'baffling' chinese behaviour in orclands, tourists invading kidlington uk, pop 13k. [11:38]
mircea_popescu: http://thinintentionsforever.blogspot.com.ar/p/pro-ana-tips.html << check out the think btw. the deep carnal nature of the disorder/"disorder" (really, eat naked in front of a mirror ?) and the purely symbolic approach of the self-appointed healers in the comment section. [11:38]
pete_dushenski: why kidlington ? close enough to london, quiet enough to be affordable, clean air, safe. what else could a pekingian want ? [11:39]
mircea_popescu: THEY WONT FUCKING YIELD. exactly 0 approach for the actual issues involved, no you can't own your body, no you can't want actualities please consider THIS approach to a purely symbolic relationship with reality. oh, "imagining yourself as a 3yo" won't do it for you ? ok, ok, there's other layers of indirection available! pick one! YOU MUST PICK ONE! [11:40]
mircea_popescu: control is verboten! [11:40]
mircea_popescu: must has indirection! java good asm bad unicode good ascii bad usd good bitcoin bad "signal" "tor" whatever good rsa pgp etc bad and so on it goes. [11:42]
mircea_popescu: in brunei, porn is forbidden, fucking your wife is not in the us porn is acceptable, "marital rape" is a thing. [11:42]
* mircea_popescu is persuaded the whole story with imperial ideology is the mandatory indirection layer. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: imagine, you're not allowed to pick up a woman and fuck her you're required to pay someone to pick women and fuck them and film the process and pass it to you! [11:44]
asciilifeform: more subtly, they teach rubes to want certain impossible things -- 'central namespace', 'reversible money', 'transparent email crypto', various follies, that can only be satisfied with their particular dope supply [11:44]
mircea_popescu: "professionalization" amirite. division of labour, am i rite. high tech!!!1 [11:44]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that's just natural fallout. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: "could i have cubic sphere with this ?" "sure, why the fuck not." "ah ok then" [11:45]
mircea_popescu: the amusing part being that given indirection layer, cubical sphere is entirely possible. [11:45]
asciilifeform: aha, tracks eyes and where you look - it is flat. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: however implemented it is after all why it's an indirection layer - so it lies. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: indirection lier. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski maybe they were confused as to how "kid lick ton" translates into chinese ? [11:48]
asciilifeform: btw possibly this village is a tourist trap because not yet allah-snackbar ?? [11:48]
mircea_popescu: the chinese don't have the soviet problem with sharia law from what i've seen. [11:49]
asciilifeform: lolwut, they have whole west half of country corralled off for it, neh ? [11:49]
mircea_popescu: individual people i mean [11:49]
asciilifeform: and ~0 leakage save for the occasional machete hero [11:49]
asciilifeform: well not necessarily 'have problem', but say a chinese d00d wants to visit actual britain, vs cairo [11:50]
asciilifeform: possibly it lives in kid lick. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: possibly! [11:51]
asciilifeform: 'A three-bedroom semidetached house sells for about $430,000, local real estate agents say.' << lel just like suburns of washington [11:51]
asciilifeform: (slightly, in fact, cheaper) [11:51]
mircea_popescu: after argentina experience /me puts no value in room counts. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: floor area plox. [11:51]
* mircea_popescu doesn't want to hear about how irrelevant island thinks itself special, "we don't use measurements here" [11:52]
asciilifeform: university towns in usa are terrifying in this respect [11:52]
asciilifeform: i toured a '5 bedroom' where each was the size of a large phone booth [11:52]
phf: huuh two thirds of these ana recommendations are basic food hygiene, and how i've been eating for most of my life. the rest is a bit over the top, but doesn't look particularly bad [11:52]
mircea_popescu: phf yes but i ignore those. the "be naked eating and watch yourself" thing is the clincher to my eyes, because WHEN the fuck does empire advise nudity ? never, not in "feel your boobs" public literature even [11:54]
mircea_popescu: and moreover, when the fuck is it "try AND SEE what happens" a criteria ? no, the excuses are always there, "marks are so unfair" blabla. [11:54]
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578958 << not that big of a lol. [11:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 12:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that link dun werk! https://archive.is/lzImt [11:55]
mircea_popescu: but that said - the article is plainly indicative of psychopatology of the systematizing persuasion whether it's actually clinically relevant or subclinical will have to be decided by the clinician attending the case. [11:57]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/another-spam-tipping-service-emerges-to-fill-invisible-void/ << Qntra - Another Spam Tipping Service Emerges To Fill Invisible Void [12:00]
phf: well, right, even if the practices are solid the "and see" part is not going to work, because seeing is broken [12:01]
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of the point of this entire anorexia/bulimia thing : the subjective misperception. [12:02]
mircea_popescu: it's just therapy is almost never successful because it is almost never willing to address the actual core of the problem - which is society, specifically, the impossibility of intelligent youth controlling things. [12:03]
phf: right, the healers in the comments are basically happy inmates, telling her that everything's going to be ok as long as she sticks to prescribed pill regiment [12:08]
mircea_popescu: regimen* [12:09]
mircea_popescu: the sad truth of the matter is the mp trilemma. which reads like so : [12:09]
mircea_popescu: you can have youths with two of three : a) "civilised world" native b) intelligent and c) not self-harming. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: the exact nature of c) is often obscure but there are no exceptions. [12:12]
phf: (i had a good result with a scale before. "here's a scale, write your weight daily in this calendar, in fucking killos, what the fuck" then every single complaint is brought back to the data, if actually intelligent start noticing disparity. "i'm FAAAT but the weight went down by a killo in the past two months, wtf" etc) [12:15]
mircea_popescu: this isn't how it works. [12:25]
phf: how come? [12:25]
mircea_popescu: well if it worked then you could install a laughmeter on their ipad and any complaint of unhappiness would similarly be referred to the graph. [12:26]
mircea_popescu: phf's anti-depression app. [12:26]
mircea_popescu: in your own terms : the problem is hidden under the definition of "intelligence" now intelligent has been re-defined to mean "whatever it meant before + good response to the scale method" [12:27]
mircea_popescu: whereas my intelligence is defined very much in low bio terms, as an antonym to sluggishness. entirely to how you score "lively" colts and puppies. [12:28]
mircea_popescu: o wow, such a goldmine. check this out : [12:29]
mircea_popescu: "People who have never had an eating disorder won't understand and yet they still feel the need to comment on people telling them they are wrong well no, we arent. I had an eating disorder and it was the most happiest I had ever been, the thought of not eating and not even being bothered was good, I was in control of something and things were how I wanted them to be, I was happy and now I'm over that I'm not happy I hate myse [12:29]
mircea_popescu: lf I've put weight on and it was the worst thing that I have done and all for making other people happy!! If people are happy to starve themselves or make themselves sick then leave them be we dont need petty sly comments of people who have no idea what they are talking about." [12:29]
mircea_popescu: "you'll die" "so will you" "yes but i'll die happy" "so will i". go ahead and settle the dispute, good heavens. [12:30]
asciilifeform: wagner,cyanide, await. [12:30]
asciilifeform: why interfere with these folx. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: because as it is commonly the case, the only people who should still be here are the ones who died already. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: the rest are the scum of the pack. [12:31]
* asciilifeform pictures a valhalla full of anorexic gurlz [12:32]
mircea_popescu: very thin ryes. [12:32]
asciilifeform: and somehow medieval flagellants also come to mind. [12:33]
asciilifeform: they also liked 'control'. [12:34]
mircea_popescu: aha. [12:34]
asciilifeform: plagues, i imagine, beget flagellants. [12:34]
asciilifeform: there, and now. [12:34]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, much to my vague meh, nobody seems to have caught on and started a study in terms of "modern domestic terrorists, medieval flagellants" [12:34]
mircea_popescu: the similarities are striking, but i guess no humanities scholars left. [12:34]
* trinque knows a person who owns a weimaraner, thing paces in her back yard back and forth between back door and window so much there's no grass in the path, has various other compulsions [12:35]
trinque: in valhalla, it hunts bear [12:35]
mircea_popescu: aha. hunt dogs kept by normies, worst curse. [12:35]
trinque: it's awful [12:35]
mircea_popescu: "whadda ya mean walk this dog means, 20+ miles! nobody can walk 20 miles!" [12:35]
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who got weimaraner, brought it to office, it gnawed chairs, pant legs [12:35]
mircea_popescu: "bitch... you have no idea." [12:35]
asciilifeform: i think i still have the pants with the hole [12:35]
asciilifeform: incidentally happy perl harbour day, folx [12:36]
* asciilifeform sings 'kimigayo' [12:37]
mircea_popescu: that's a holiday ? [12:37]
asciilifeform: in gringolandia [12:37]
asciilifeform: 'holiday' [12:37]
mircea_popescu: meh, this is worst anthem. wtf. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: laaa-laaaa-waaaank-laaaa-ndiiiiiaaaaaa [12:39]
asciilifeform: 'tleast it's short!111 [12:39]
asciilifeform: circa 800 ad or somesuch. [12:39]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcUR6y6Kmkk << just as short much better music. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: exact same conceptual framework, what with prinz karl erschinen etc. [12:41]
* asciilifeform adjusts pickelhaube [12:41]
mircea_popescu: pity there's no hats with pickled gerkins. [12:44]
asciilifeform: l0l [12:44]
BingoBoingo: Yet! [12:52]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/7SE9E << somehow i missed this old noose. in re how nato does target practice on own boats. [12:55]
asciilifeform: (july '16) [12:55]
mircea_popescu: actually the taiwan harpoons are pretty good. [12:57]
mircea_popescu: iirc nuclear capable even [12:57]
BingoBoingo: In other foundations https://i.imgur.com/sDx1hyG.jpg [14:04]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is almost same as a photo i posted from under where i sit. [14:20]
BingoBoingo: Oh shit [14:20]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-24#1307133 << thread [14:21]
a111: Logged on 2015-10-24 23:39 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/hz7j9hf << an equally-appealing photo i took today. [14:21]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the one linked earlier, is yours ? [14:21]
BingoBoingo: AHA, no not mine. Found on a "How not to do it" thread. [14:21]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways interesting detail was the giant hole in the foreground right next to the piers [14:22]
asciilifeform: where [14:23]
BingoBoingo: Where that all encompassing slope leads! [14:24]
BingoBoingo: convenient place for piers to fail to. [14:24]
asciilifeform: i see no pliers.. [14:24]
BingoBoingo: Not pliers, piers! The stacks of brick holding up the steel beams set on concrete piles from which surrounding dirt has been washing away. [14:27]
BingoBoingo: That poor house is set to become something other than level in a period of time that depends on local rainfall. [14:28]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-burial-and-the-impossible-object/ << Trilema - The burial and the impossible object. [14:47]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel i misread [14:48]
asciilifeform: aaalso deedbot skipped a trilema?! [14:49]
mircea_popescu: did it ? [14:49]
mircea_popescu: no it's right there. [14:49]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ ? [14:50]
shinohai: !~bcstats [14:51]
jhvh1: shinohai: Current Blocks: {"blockcount":442390} | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":286765766820.5504} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [14:51]
mircea_popescu: oh hm [14:52]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol. ANyways crawlspace is a way to put house on foundation. Crawlspace on slope is way to develop lot that will require debris removal during resale. [14:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's in the log. [14:52]
asciilifeform: hmm [14:52]
thestringpuller: did you ever offload that $100 paypal? [14:53]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [14:53]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aah found it, nm [14:54]
phf: i recently finished reading olympus/ilium scifi series by dan simmons, where one of the lines is Achilles becoming immortal (in the unable to die sense) because Paris is killed before he can deliver the arrow [14:54]
mircea_popescu: did it have to be paris specifically for some reason ? [14:55]
asciilifeform: his destructor never called, he sits around in the heap... [14:56]
mircea_popescu: lol [14:56]
asciilifeform: and eventually this becomes a regular thing and universe OOMs [14:56]
mircea_popescu: this isn't how the greek lehmer sieve worked afaik. [14:56]
phf: well, it being a scifi series achilles's immortality is one of the ways in which "quantum probability" something something "destruction of known universe" [14:57]
mircea_popescu: funny (to me) how often "destruction fo known x" is an ontological rather than gnoseological matter. [14:58]
phf: probably because the first one can be imagined and verbalized, where's the second one once understood for what it is already happened. doesn't allow for much action, with shooting and adventures and stuff [15:04]
mircea_popescu: aha. [15:46]
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579135 << branch prediction good! [16:40]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 16:42 mircea_popescu: must has indirection! java good asm bad unicode good ascii bad usd good bitcoin bad "signal" "tor" whatever good rsa pgp etc bad and so on it goes. [16:40]
ben_vulpes: "i gave up on understanding processors a while ago" [16:41]
* ben_vulpes dies inside [16:41]
ben_vulpes: "you know, if you can squeeze a tenth of a percent of a performance increase out of their chips over the course of your career there, you'll be sitting pretty with that dumptruck of printolade showing up at your house every two weeks!" [16:41]
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1578978 << only because he wrote v [16:42]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 12:33 mircea_popescu: well, technically he asked alf, so there is that. none of our bidnis :D [16:42]
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579032 << i have an entire vault of macbooks, odds that i'll buy more are ~0. [16:43]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:31 asciilifeform: if the next lappy comes with spiked anal cone, what, ben_vulpes won't buy? [16:43]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought you sold proggies for these, and was forced to use latest os etc [16:44]
ben_vulpes: i have a vault of them! [16:44]
ben_vulpes: latest os runs fine. today. [16:44]
asciilifeform: aha and every couplea years they cut off the old iron [16:44]
asciilifeform: (e.g. i have a 'mac air' here that won't go past 10.6) [16:44]
ben_vulpes: by that time i think the coolies will be responsible for their own hardware, not me. [16:45]
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise. [16:46]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:50 phf: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-dec-2016#2204895 << just fyi, while you can diff an intermediate ~state~ of an image as a sexp, common lisp's input is a ~character stream~. builtin dispatch ~mostly~ operates on forms (like #p #. (concatenate 'string "foo" "bar")), but not always, like #\ comment reads till end of line. [16:46]
trinque: clearly lisp comments are borken! [16:52]
* trinque kids, various other reader macros also violate the homoiconicity [16:55]
phf: trinque: go write scheme, infidel [16:56]
phf: ben_vulpes: yeah, lisp image. fwiw if you're trying to ignore whitespace (since you're going to lose that information in a sexp, unless you preserve that information, in which case you will have to patch it same way), then diff already does it: it's called ignore whitespace (-b or -w or -B depending on usecase) [16:59]
ben_vulpes: is there a difference between ignoring whitespace and only examining the forms that changed? [17:00]
trinque: sounds like it'd produce a patched item that is formatted incorrectly, which would suck [17:02]
phf: well, it's fundamentally different things, but for your purposes it'll be different when there's information in whitespace. like say it's a form that has text in it, and you modify text inside that form, ec. [17:02]
trinque: that also [17:02]
phf: for all other cases it'll ignore the lines that have whitespace changes, but if you make a change that has whitespace change on one line, and then substantial change on another line, that relies on new whitespace, then yeah you get borked formatting [17:04]
trinque: really, it's true that all those lines whose whitespace changed *did change* [17:04]
trinque: their return will now be run through some other form, or now not, or whatever [17:04]
trinque: same thing happens in well formatted C, if you say add an "if" where one was not [17:05]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, local power co notifies me that "in order to continue providing high level of services" etc they'll be installing a gasoline backup generator, which will result in two "very short" power interruptions. [17:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didntcha have a marine diesel [17:06]
asciilifeform: what gives [17:06]
mircea_popescu: ostensibly they'll park theirs right next to mine, we can get a diesel generator burning tailgate party going [17:06]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose people who aren't me complained ? honestly i was half expecting they're actuallyoffering to buy mine. [17:07]
mircea_popescu: (argentina being one of the few places where used machinery is valued above same machinery new, perhaps on a derivation of the medieval "woman with children worth more, proven functional cuntperl implementation", it might even have made business sense to sell it.) [17:08]
mircea_popescu: phf nevertheless, it does say "AS WE KNOW IT". clearly it's a knowledge problem not a being problem neh. [17:09]
mircea_popescu: "my mom as i knew her died the moment she hooked up with her old associates and went back to stripping." [17:09]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: by now you probably understood that 'diff sexpr' doesn't necessarily win, because, e.g., commonlisp sexpr can involve reader macros and look like, say, this -- http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103 [17:10]
mircea_popescu: moreover, v is about people and therefore it must work on the closest-to-people juncture. [17:10]
asciilifeform: i was about to phrase it as 'output of v transformation must always remain obvious to kindergartener' but mircea_popescu has it. [17:11]
* ben_vulpes nods [17:11]
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info [17:11]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103&cpage=1#comment-3946 so we click on the "recommendation", find a 404. ty so much for recommending expiring licenses. [17:12]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: diffing sexprs is an attractive idea for other purposes but it still gotta ~work~ with your lisp (and all conceivable readermacroizations thereof, which is harder) [17:12]
ben_vulpes: "slap a license on it!!!" [17:12]
mircea_popescu: society would be better served if buttslappers stuck to slapping butts [17:12]
asciilifeform: lulzy link rot. [17:12]
mircea_popescu: rather than being chased into... intellectual pursuits. [17:12]
ben_vulpes: web dogs slap butts? [17:13]
asciilifeform: http://copyfree.org/content/standard/licenses/ctl/license.txt << full, apparently, text. [17:13]
mircea_popescu: no but their fathers did. [17:13]
asciilifeform: it was a trololol. [17:13]
phf: asciilifeform: i've seen people diff sexps for producing semi-automatic patches of live system. so like if you want to replicate the image code state across machines, can rig up some not-for-reading dumper [17:13]
asciilifeform: 'Crowley Thelemic License Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the License.' [17:13]
phf: that one warms my heart for sentimental reasons [17:13]
asciilifeform: phf: one problem is that all lisps running on x86 have 'heathen' state [17:14]
asciilifeform: that isn't adequately represented in a save-and-die [17:14]
asciilifeform: (e.g., open unix fd's) [17:14]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pity the thelema doods didn't put a card spade inside their figure, it'd have been a great gypsy-like icon [17:14]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579309 << the amusing observation lying in wait is that the difference between satoshi-style design and tmsr-style design evidently is that in the case of the former a prototype is hashed out and then much to everyone's surprise almost all ulterior ideas are actual improvements wheres in the case of hte later a prototype is similarly hashed out and then much to everyone's surprise almost a [17:21]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 22:11 phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info [17:21]
mircea_popescu: ll ulterior ideas aren't. [17:21]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579283 << ben_vulpes please consider posting the example of this you ran into [17:21]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 21:46 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579050 << "image" as in "lisp image"? the reason i ask is because reindenting blocks of code for a multiple-value-bind makes unnecessary patch noise. [17:21]
asciilifeform: i'd like to see. [17:21]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: all in due time [17:22]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in all fairness, i massaged 'v' quietly for quite some time before posting [17:22]
mircea_popescu: so did satoshi. [17:23]
asciilifeform: neither i nor afaik anybody else knows what satoshi did prior to posting [17:23]
asciilifeform: possibly wrote whole thing in one weekend, and with vodka [17:23]
phf: mircea_popescu: i really hope i'm not preventing ben_vulpes from hacking, i have a few previous failed attempts at doing this though [17:24]
mircea_popescu: not so, according to knowledge that i guess may have expired meanwhile. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: phf i wouldn't worry about it. [17:24]
ben_vulpes: ^ [17:24]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand plox re the 'expired knowledge' [17:24]
mircea_popescu: most of the honest (as oposed to gavinous) people originally involved with the project went away quietly. [17:25]
phf: but so that it's not just noise, here's one thing that i used as a jumping point, http://foldr.org/~michaelw/log/programming/lisp/diff-sexp there's also a cmu archive of differs, including a working common lisp diff implementation (with a different output though) http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/tools/src_cmp/0.html [17:25]
mircea_popescu: for instance, everyone thinks of theymos as "tardstalk owner", except that forum was made by sirius and was quite acceptable before it went to shit. [17:26]
ben_vulpes: www-cgi [17:26]
ben_vulpes: tight [17:26]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw if you are writing a differ, familiarize yourself with needleman-wunsch algo, most extant difftrons for some reason unknown to me do not use it [17:27]
mircea_popescu: actually, even if you aren't writing a differ. [17:27]
asciilifeform: (it is a pretty good levenshtein-minimizer, if you will) [17:27]
phf: ben_vulpes: that archive has like dozen of access points, half of them regularly disappearing, a project for a lisp aficionado would be to archive it before it disappears completely [17:27]
ben_vulpes: wow cool 2 assignments in as many seconds [17:28]
phf: :D [17:28]
mircea_popescu: blame canada. [17:28]
asciilifeform: speaking of! [17:28]
asciilifeform: 'Dear Internet Archive Patrons, We need your help to make sure the Internet Archive lasts forever. On November 9, we woke up to a new administration promising radical change. This is a firm reminder that the Internet Archive must also design for change. So we set a new goal: to create a copy of our collections in the Internet Archive of Canada. This will cost millions. For us, it means keeping our cultural materials safe, private an [17:28]
asciilifeform: d perpetually accessible. It means preparing for a Web that may face greater restrictions. It means serving patrons when government surveillance may be on the rise. The Internet Archive is a non-profit library built on trust. Reader privacy is very important to us, so we don’t accept ads. We don’t collect your personal information. .... [snipped bs]' [17:28]
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em. [17:29]
asciilifeform: the sheer... [17:29]
mircea_popescu: built on "trust", the non-crypto, anon version of trust. [17:30]
mircea_popescu: hurr. [17:30]
* mircea_popescu files the "mp again picked the right horse" and forgets "internet archive" even existed. [17:30]
phf: can also use zhang-shasha "editing distance between trees" algo http://epubs.siam.org.sci-hub.io/doi/pdf/10.1137/0218082 [17:32]
asciilifeform: re 'trust', oblig orlol, ' Trust is transactional: a person needs a reason to trust you, and you need a reason to trust that person. There is, however, such a quality as trustfulness: this is the property of small children, tame animals and, most unfortunately for them, many regular, salt-of-the-earth, mainstream Americans. It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse. It is being exhibited for all to see by [17:32]
asciilifeform: some of the people who recently lost money when MF Global stole it to cover some private bets it had made. They licked their wounds, complained bitterly, and then...went looking for another financial company—to be taken advantage of again. ' [17:32]
asciilifeform: ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-untrustworthy-and-trustful.html ) [17:32]
mircea_popescu: chumpness is a resource. [17:33]
asciilifeform: sure is [17:33]
mircea_popescu: trusfulness, as it were. [17:33]
mircea_popescu: trusefulness* [17:33]
mircea_popescu: anyway, he's wrong re "negative survival value". the fitness value (correct term) of bovine behaviour is uncomputable, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579116 [17:34]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 16:04 mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing that'd keep them from coming here and giving away the nuclear button to the l1. yes we'd butcher some daughters / most sons, but so what of it - some'd survive. even the cod knows this much, that the correct reaction is to throw the meat at the knife, rather than to try and protect it. [17:34]
asciilifeform: the fitness value of getting into the first black van that offers the proverbial candy -- is computable. [17:35]
mircea_popescu: not so. what if i happen to be running the first and you end up my main bitch ? [17:35]
asciilifeform: what if asteroid falls. [17:36]
mircea_popescu: the dispute is "computable"! [17:36]
mircea_popescu: yes, it can be bounded. [17:36]
asciilifeform: 'I wrote this email recommending bitcoins to Dmitry on June 18th, 2011, I hope he is rich now, since Bitcoins are up 4000% since then...' << a particle of lultronium from the comments [17:39]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, ~none of the early bright minds are rich now. [17:41]
asciilifeform: you mean the avaricious idiots who insisted on 'investing' in imaginaries ? [17:42]
mircea_popescu: wasn't the prb devteam announcing dismal holdings last they talked about it ? [17:43]
asciilifeform: (' i have 10,000,001 unpilferable cryptotronic magic coin what to do now? I KNOW! i'll trade'em all in for PROMISES and HOLOGRAPHICALLY SEALED TURDS ') [17:43]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i recall, prb was 100% mit-powered [17:44]
mircea_popescu: buterin was circling bitcoin (as an outsider) a coupla years before you showed up. where's his millions ? [17:44]
mircea_popescu: same repeats for all the various bright minds in their own / reddit's estimation. [17:44]
asciilifeform: quite truly i have nfi what precisely happened before i tuned in ( and even during the record is not so great ) [17:45]
asciilifeform: but i also see no reason to think that the mega-wealthy folk publicly advertised their stashes [17:45]
asciilifeform: ( why ?? ) [17:45]
mircea_popescu: the problem with smart kids who have the misfortune to be born to english speaking whores is that they're taught to not want to rape anything. [17:45]
mircea_popescu: what sort of idle knowledge this is and whom it serves we shall not discuss but it does make them inept for life. [17:46]
asciilifeform: from my perch it looks opposite, they are busy round the clock raping one another [17:46]
mircea_popescu: i did say any~thing~. they're ecologists, they just want to imagology. [17:46]
mircea_popescu: none of that last century "by god i will dig this mountain up and reshape it as a pineapple" piss and vinegar feelin' left. [17:47]
mircea_popescu: "gotta get along", "will take a picture of me in front of this strangely pineapple-shaped mountain" etc. [17:47]
asciilifeform: 'We don't do that anymore. Any of it.' (uncle al, of course. http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gasoline.htm ) [17:48]
mircea_popescu: now, that they let the mountains be could be excused, [17:48]
mircea_popescu: but they also don't perceive any burning need to spend all their money on $2 btc. [17:48]
mircea_popescu: quoth the woman "my children are dying!" quoth the man "good, you'll make others." [17:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same folx happily blew their money on $2 (etc) alt-turds [17:50]
mircea_popescu: do you know why ? [17:50]
mircea_popescu: guess why! [17:50]
asciilifeform: same reason why the bitcoinists bought $2/btc ? [17:50]
mircea_popescu: because... let this sink in, ~~~BECAUSE~~~ the alt-turds offered a ready, indefeasible excuse to NOT seriously invest, to the degree of starving the children. [17:50]
* asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp subj [17:51]
mircea_popescu: unthreateningly, "coupla bucks, who knows" is the exact name of the demon. [17:51]
asciilifeform: sooo the various 'omfg i lost my car and house' ethertards etc were confabulating ? [17:51]
mircea_popescu: the discussion here was from the get-go limited to "engineering" "intellectual" "bright minds". [17:51]
asciilifeform: or how about the folx who bought into btc just in time to get nailed by mtgox [17:51]
asciilifeform: hm [17:52]
trinque: hi! [17:52]
mircea_popescu: i have no interest in the misguided speculations of reddit as such, they're not a demographic as much as a random number machine. [17:52]
mircea_popescu: hola trinque [17:52]
ben_vulpes: in other dimitris https://www.meetup.com/The-Decentralized-Web/?from=ref [17:52]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: who's that [17:52]
mircea_popescu: i was about to ask what am i looking at. [17:52]
ben_vulpes: nobodies! having meetups! [17:53]
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/dryajov [17:53]
mircea_popescu: good for 'em. [17:53]
ben_vulpes: inb4 nonperson [17:53]
asciilifeform: wai am i looking at this-here set of nobodies instead of that-there [17:53]
asciilifeform: (that-there ad infinitum) [17:53]
mircea_popescu: this isn't one of those west coast things that'll burn down in a final, desperate attempt of the participants to make the evening news, is it ? [17:53]
mircea_popescu: "burning man" suddenly a lot more psychanalizable than one'd care to. [17:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this mazepath is grand [17:54]
asciilifeform: they are all pretty great imho. [17:55]
asciilifeform: and iirc mircea_popescu got an uncleal.tar.gz at some point. [17:55]
mircea_popescu: aha. [17:55]
asciilifeform: (they, funnily, are all on the man's www, but not indexed, every time i grep the local copy and look for same filename on his www, it's there...) [17:56]
mircea_popescu: i'm happy to report the auto-archiver works! [17:57]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gasoline.htm << neato [18:00]
mircea_popescu: "In 2003, massive cabals of Enviro-whiners are suing petroleum companies for contaminating the global environment with methyl tert-butyl ether. MTBE was the "oxygenate" for which Enviro-whiners massively sued petroleum companies, demanding it be added to gasoline. MTBE is an EPA priority carcinogen. Enviro-whinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly." << quite exactly how the bullshit works, and worked, in all parts. [18:01]
mircea_popescu: in other random, http://www.thejohnwilkesclub.com/2013/07/23/revisiting-the-essay-on-woman-scandal/ [18:12]
asciilifeform: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/the-magic-of-polaroid-and-how-i-rescued-it-from-oblivion/ << linked somewhere from mircea_popescu's random [18:18]
* mircea_popescu was never much of a fan. [18:19]
asciilifeform: https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/tom-petters-case-summary << somehow i slept through this [18:20]
mircea_popescu: gotta sleep sometime! [18:20]
asciilifeform: http://www.polaroid.com/products/onestep-600-instant-camera << holy fuq i had nfi these were still made. i have only ever seen'em at junk shops [18:22]
asciilifeform: possibly whole thing is a 'nostalgia' play [18:23]
asciilifeform: rather like the usb vinyl-record players etc. [18:24]
phf: asciilifeform: they are popular at dodgy events, because "only copy" [18:27]
asciilifeform: promisetronic!1111 [18:27]
asciilifeform: (sell polaroid-with-seeeekrit-digicam, ???, profit!11111111) [18:27]
mircea_popescu: the argument is not without some merit, legions of 1960s aspie hos were flattered by the "unique, just like you" gate to pornography. [18:28]
phf: well, sell polaroid-with-seeeekrit-digicam destroy that whole segment [18:28]
phf: actually promisetronic to the max, since you don't even have to surrender the photo. something about the Polaroid part implies that you're not live streaming it to pornhub [18:33]
mircea_popescu: https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/07/pinboard_turns_seven/ << in other lulz. [18:35]
mircea_popescu: summary : "guy with no business model and no investors running some pointless web shit claims to make 10k a month from it somehow" [18:35]
mircea_popescu: (basically delicious re-done, and we all recall how that went. or no wait, was it magnolia ? right it was magnolia. anyway.) [18:36]
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/12/08/the-impossible-chances/ << Ossasepia - The Impossible Chances [18:36]
phf: he's got "sign up for $11/year" so if he has 11000 paying subscribers? [18:37]
mircea_popescu: something like that. [18:38]
mircea_popescu: note that a) facebook doesn't have 11k paying subscribers and that yahoo sacked delicious. it's rare dying things like yahoo terminate items that make money. [18:39]
mircea_popescu: heck, if they LOSE money slower than the whole shebang loses money the people involved tend to be promoted [18:40]
mircea_popescu: such is the rule at say alphabet microsoft etcetera. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: that said, he does have stroing support in the sprawling i-wanna-be-a-writer collective, which may actually contain 10k who can part with $10 a year (if not the same 10k each year, still) and if he keeps a tight lid on costs it may well work. [18:42]
phf: i went looking if marco arment has published any stats for when he was running instapaper (it was $3/mo for paying subscribers and perhaps somewhat more useful) and instead found https://marco.org/2016/11/11/letter-to-young-people [18:42]
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect the entire business model is "get archive.is for pay because you don't google too well". [18:42]
asciilifeform: hey that doesn't differ so much from rest of the shitware industry now does it. [18:44]
mircea_popescu: "but we did fix most of it" AHAHAHAHAHA omfg. name ONE THING mulatto-in-chief fixed. i wish to hear this wonder, the one item. [18:44]
mircea_popescu: leftards always go in general about bahamas. name the fucking item he did right, ever. what was it. [18:44]
asciilifeform: blacking [18:45]
mircea_popescu: "Most people in the world are good, and want to be good to each other. Whether they vote that way or not, far more Americans believe in progressive, liberal, inclusive views than regressive, aggressive, conservative ones. Young people know this better than anyone, because young people are overwhelmingly liberal, even more than older people. That’s not because you’re inexperienced — it’s because you’re right." << hur [18:45]
mircea_popescu: r. it is STRICTLY because young people lived on the dole much more than old people and so believe more in dole. many of them for complete lack of any understanding whatsoever that "milk doesn't come from supermarket" and equivalent. [18:45]
mircea_popescu: anyway, we agree : hang in there. [18:46]
mircea_popescu: phf asciilifeform as per your understanding of folk logic, could Кощей have kept the needle anywhere ? [18:50]
phf: probably not, requires a descent/ascent into the cave for the development of hero's journey. so couldn't keep it in his private study or kept some complicated opsec routine with fake needles and multiple storages and rotations, because that would take it out of realm of mythical [18:55]
mircea_popescu: my idea is that it being an ontology (as distinct from and very much opposed to a technology) such is entirely out of the question. [18:55]
phf: i'm not sure i get it. perhaps the idea is that the plot is constructed from conclusions backwards, rather than as a chain of causes and effects resulting in an outcome, then conclusion. so the setup is restricted by what actions hero must perform or what other kind of allegory [19:12]
mircea_popescu: no. you can't fly by your breaches, can you ? nor can you "make yourself" a boyar. nor can koschei DO things. [19:13]
mircea_popescu: in the world in which he lives, you ARE things you don't DO things. [19:13]
mircea_popescu: which is why eg. the notion of "consent" is entirely baffling. what do you mean, ivan should ask natasha. ask her WHAT THE FUCK ?!?! whether she IS a woman ? he can damn well see that ? [19:14]
mircea_popescu: the whole story is decided at the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ? then you go kill koschei. no ? then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs. [19:15]
phf: aah [19:17]
mircea_popescu: kinda what "traditional society" actually means, if the term is used properly. and why derpage eg in the us re "traditional marriage" is so hysterical. really, TRADITIONAL ? mmmkay. [19:18]
mircea_popescu: just because it's your daddy's modern dun make it traditional. [19:18]
phf: "this is how things are around here parts", except nobody ever said that except in movies or when things are no longer are [19:18]
mircea_popescu: aha. [19:19]
mircea_popescu: it's ever only used as a cheap mocking post, see. gotta frame the modern story in some sort of context, [19:19]
mircea_popescu: but it's never more than context not in modern stories at any rate. [19:19]
mircea_popescu: it is however hermeneutics 101, the pons asinorum of the scholarly disciplines. [19:20]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman for some reason it decided i'm anonymous lol. [19:23]
phf: huh, it's unknowable, so either presented as a joke, or as complete hostile aliennes. sort of texas chainsaw massacre kind of stuff. russian equivalent would be narratives about "деревня" [19:27]
phf: forest used to be where the ancestors came from and that where demons and ghouls are. now ancestors come from tradition and that's where wilderness is [19:30]
mircea_popescu: aha. [19:30]
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you and a few others :P [19:33]
mircea_popescu: it's also the deep reason why reversion to feudalism / end of modernism is entirely unavoidable. the deep reason "dark ages" guys did what they did isn't them being "stupid", it's the absence of the modernist interface. when the world of possibilities is endless and the only possible trail is offered by strong identity, be it of the chivalric or v/wot type, society works a certain way. [19:35]
mircea_popescu: in order for the modernist delusion to work, some equivalence clases are prerequsite, which is why all modern states are socialisms. if differences matter, "modern democracy" is impossible. [19:36]
asciilifeform: https://support.circle.com/hc/en-us/articles/217972003 << meanwhile another scamola exchange bites it [19:38]
mircea_popescu: and which is why traditionalist societies guilty pleasure is genealogy, as in heraldics or vtronics whereas modernist societies guilty pleasure is "self improvement" as in miracle diets and college degrees. (no, the two aren't different, the notion that you will BECOME at the college is entirely like the notion that you'll go to heaven through not cursing.) [19:38]
ben_vulpes: wasn't there a qntra on this, asciilifeform ? [19:40]
asciilifeform: possibly ? [19:40]
* asciilifeform goes, looks [19:41]
shinohai: Indeed there is [19:41]
ben_vulpes: dear old kakobrekla will never admit to cribbing from qntra [19:41]
shinohai: These exchanges are like the hydra, 2 more will pop up in its wake. [19:41]
phf: hmm [19:45]
phf: not sure how reversion follows though. it's easy to run away into the forest, because it's completely meaningless. but running away into tradition is equivalent to death (per older thread). "destruction of known universe" [19:55]
phf: oh unless you mean it in a sense that it's inevitable with you or without you [19:56]
BingoBoingo: In other google suck: If you try searching for 2" drive sockets and breaker bars it returns ocean of wimpy 1/2" drive [19:58]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BD5120D4A95C75642CBB2D873E33FBC3C68B0FA4C2E02A493BC34DAEFE2664F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2722...4181 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.254.204.80 (ssh-rsa key from 213.254.204.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown FR) [20:08]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEE6B1521D93CE1983B98DAC3DDEC4D3B74D2316105ADF8BE6E9F18555E34512 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1981...5981 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.38.64.200 (ssh-rsa key from 84.38.64.200 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (server200.serverflex.de. DE) [20:08]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65F341354F31545C93BE093F7D772392E757E7F7379E2F1A43817607FBE671AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1716...9219 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.93.194.69 (ssh-rsa key from 77.93.194.69 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (ns1.a-webhosting.cz. CZ) [20:08]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2C8FC5503BFD645E3509CCC14724B450F5A76F4BD4329A307F76444312ABDE0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1543...2509 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.168.112.80 (ssh-rsa key from 81.168.112.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown GB) [20:08]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29BAAA083699C2ABCFD0ED196201367CBA08B7AB03B3DF11757F8106ED70433B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1578...2667 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '140.184.132.47 (ssh-rsa key from 140.184.132.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (spec2.smu.ca. CA NS) [20:08]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/12410CE4CD32008ABBD7B02A78C2E2EFB40A518866B52C2DFC884623E0DC5EA3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2613...1989 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.117.28.54 (ssh-rsa key from 217.117.28.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (ip-217-117-28-54.bnk.lt. LT) [20:08]
thestringpuller: !~later tell cazalla I see you playing pokemon moon! [20:23]
jhvh1: thestringpuller: The operation succeeded. [20:23]
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579485 << to what is this regarding? [20:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 00:33 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you and a few others :P [20:30]
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/#selection-279.0-284.0 [21:03]
danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied) [21:08]
ben_vulpes: i eventually gave up on making the mimisbrunnr block renditions look acceptable in lynx [21:09]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579511 << plox to elaborate danielpbarron [21:11]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 02:08 danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied) [21:11]
shinohai: I use wotpaste w/out browser, thanks to ben_vulpes help a few weeks back [21:11]
asciilifeform: which browsers didja try [21:11]
asciilifeform: and what means 'won't even load' ? [21:11]
danielpbarron: i don't even care what it looks like, at least it got served. these other sites give an error in lieu of the requested page, something about unsupported browser [21:12]
asciilifeform: tried anything that wasn't lynx...? [21:12]
asciilifeform: ... tried lynx with fudged useragent? [21:13]
danielpbarron: come to think of it, that probablem happened with openbsd on a powerpc using firefox [21:13]
danielpbarron: i don't think i even have a browser on this gentoo one, besides lynx [21:13]
danielpbarron: can't emerge chromium because of the masked packages [21:14]
asciilifeform: post the barf plox [21:19]
danielpbarron: the emerge barf? [21:20]
ben_vulpes: spam done with, pls to forgive [21:21]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: aha [21:22]
danielpbarron: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aCKhB/?raw [21:27]
asciilifeform: ick [21:29]
asciilifeform: iirc something quite similar happened when i tried. [21:30]
asciilifeform: seems like if we want a graphical wwwtron -- will have to 'trb' one. [21:31]
asciilifeform: perhaps good project for danielpbarron . [21:31]
asciilifeform: chromium is prolly the only logical feedstock for such an attempt. afaik. [21:32]
asciilifeform: (single-threaded wwwtrons with 'fire' in the name can go and die in a fire, yesterday, and it won't be soon enough) [21:32]
mircea_popescu: o look, mimi's brunnr! [21:32]
danielpbarron: doubtful. I wouldn't know where to start, nor do i care to have one. whatever is worth reading should work in lynx, and the rest works on my phone [21:32]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: ah if you don't need such a thing - then your gentoo is ready for battlefield, neh [21:33]
danielpbarron: yeah i'm happy with it [21:33]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: certainly ain't her brudder [21:33]
danielpbarron: runs eulora perfectly [21:33]
asciilifeform: neato [21:33]
danielpbarron: ditto, trb [21:33]
mircea_popescu: phf there's a who and a what. traditional societies put the what in an equivalency ring and discern the who modernist societies put the who in an equivalency ring and discern the what. [21:33]
asciilifeform: trb is static and will run on literally any linux [21:33]
mircea_popescu: let's look at it through the example of the married woman. [21:34]
mircea_popescu: married woman in belgium, a modernist society, expects to fuck her husband, or another man (ie, the who is indifferent) PROVIDED they woo her properly. the what is discerning, and "i fucked him because he bought me roses just like you did 20 years ago you pig" is perfectly "rational". [21:34]
mircea_popescu: married woman in brunei, a traditionalist society, expects to be fucked, in the way which fucking goes (ie, indifferent), by her husband but not by another man. and if her husband fucks with a stick, or with electrified vaginal pears, it's none of her business much like the belgian woman might fuck another woman, or a cat or a bit of plastic, just as long as it DOES the right thing - the brunei woman will fuck in whichever [21:35]
mircea_popescu: manner as long as it IS the right thing. [21:35]
mircea_popescu: excess is actually repressed : for instance the husband that fails to what correctly in belgium goes to jail much like the lover that fails to who correctly in brunei. [21:36]
mircea_popescu: in belgium "but i am her husband" is no defense, but on the contrary, scandalous and in brunei "but i fucked her right" is no defense, but on the contrary, scandalous. [21:36]
mircea_popescu: the major problem of contemporaneous, post-modern, post-structuralist whatever world is that the practical equivalency class is the what, not the who. such as for instance : as long as the product is a web app, you know what shit it will be and all you care about is WHO. which is why we have the entire who structure of code inheritance, much to the chagrin of the "oh noes, wasn't invented here syndrome" belated modernists. [21:38]
mircea_popescu: anyone can make "a prediction" (what=equivalent) but it really matters WHO makes it, as per the pro idiotas article. [21:38]
mircea_popescu: and so on. [21:38]
mircea_popescu: so it's not a matter of reversal. it's a matter that the practical structures of reality favour a certain equivalency class over the other. [21:38]
BingoBoingo: In other real estate for alf tastes http://commercial.century21.com/listing/1308-main-carbondale-il-62901-REN026859036 [21:39]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if i had 600k i'd buy a mig ffs [21:39]
asciilifeform: beats the shit out of old roach motel or what is that. [21:39]
BingoBoingo: Not sure what that was exactly. Kinda looks like "shopping center" being shopped as warehouse [21:42]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fwiw circle has been going out of business for 3 years now. [21:46]
asciilifeform: i confess! that i had only the foggiest notion of what it was [21:46]
asciilifeform: assumed 'coinbase/stamp/etc tentacle' [21:46]
mircea_popescu: nah, more like square. [21:46]
asciilifeform: sooo a bitpay..? [21:46]
mircea_popescu: nah, an app. [21:47]
mircea_popescu: the airbnb scammers originally "promoted" it by plastering "handmade comics/ezine" on cheap whitelabel cereal boxes. [21:47]
mircea_popescu: you gotta understand how the fiat "creative" scam works. like this : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579011 [21:48]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, the way "tech" works in the us aka sv is very simply : get the "hipster ass rorbros" on the wagon, then sell them out later for mass market. [21:48]
mircea_popescu: these dudes tried to "leverage" whatever they could think of to "achieve network effects" and bla bla. [21:48]
mircea_popescu: usually, it doesn't work. it is certainly a thinking man's coming of age, when he finally develops a skin : that keeps this sort of bacteria at bay, and that still allows copulation with the other humans. [21:49]
mircea_popescu: old people are notoriously bad at this, go through the world a living zoological museum, collection of numerous fungi and no copulation. [21:49]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579497 << you think as what you are. to first generation in shoes country girl, going back to the village so all the other girls could feel equal to her was "death" in exactly the same sense, and she'd suck a truck through a cocktail straw to avoid it. here she is : http://trilema.com/2011/deci-de-revelion-acum-niste-ani/ [21:51]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 00:55 phf: not sure how reversion follows though. it's easy to run away into the forest, because it's completely meaningless. but running away into tradition is equivalent to death (per older thread). "destruction of known universe" [21:51]
asciilifeform: http://danluu.com/sounds-easy << related (warning! entomologists only!) lul. [21:51]
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't even mean that it's inevitable with you or without you. it's inevitable with or without your mental constructs. the body will follow. [21:52]
mircea_popescu: what, you think people fought in us civil war without their scruples ? the body went the scruples - nobody asked anything. [21:52]
mircea_popescu: ~everyone involved in ww2 thought ww2 is a stupid idea, for that matter. all the better for them! [21:53]
asciilifeform: folx who get set on fire probably also do not particularly think much of the joys of being on fire... [21:53]
mircea_popescu: in short, your at ease notion of you and the actual perceptible, historical fact of you are very tenuously bridged, and that bridge is especially dependent on the "at ease" part. [21:54]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from whence comes the notion tha tthey are bridged ? [21:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly. but the fact is that most ww2 combatants did not fight at home or in their neighbourhood or even city. except perhaps it could be argued for the fins. [21:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from a comfortable life. [21:55]
asciilifeform: even laziest, most 'comfortable' folx, still understand that the next day piano could fall, bus -- run over, etc. neh ? [21:55]
asciilifeform: and that it'll have 0 to do with 'self-concept' they had [21:55]
mircea_popescu: this is not the matter. most girls understand, somewhere deep down, that if i come in and grab them by the hair and drag them to their cell they will at the very least love the child they conceive, and eventually learn to live the cell. [21:56]
mircea_popescu: just, this knowledge of the cunt is amply repressed in most cases. [21:56]
mircea_popescu: to some degree "society" needs them to for its definition of them to be fulfilled to a larger degree the currently fashionable notions of self require them to as well. but anyway - people will lvie everywhere, and historically have. [21:57]
mircea_popescu: still, the effects are often funny - you can get most 15 yos to agree that they'll "never turn out like their mothers" or "die before they're old" or such manifestations of the subjective sentiment of bridging. [21:58]
asciilifeform: you could probably get typical idiot cow to agree that 4 == 5 on odd tuesdays, without breaking a sweat [22:00]
mircea_popescu: even non-idiots spend relatively little time figuring out "improductive" things of this sort. [22:00]
mircea_popescu: and then end up surprised by the nobody could have predicted and write nobel-prize literature about it. [22:01]
mircea_popescu: (no, it's not just hussein bahamas. the whole thing is predicated on suckage, exactly the same ~sort~ of suckage.) [22:01]
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, [22:07]
asciilifeform: anybody here familiar with mosis ( https://www.mosis.com ) ? used it ? knows anyone who has ? etc [22:08]
asciilifeform: i could've sworn we had a thread [22:08]
asciilifeform: ( hm, looks like here it was, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-14#1274013 ) [22:08]
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 17:54 trinque: mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k [22:08]
BingoBoingo: Perhaps more to alf taste, GIANT CONCRETE TANKS! http://commercial.century21.com/listing/1051-wall-street-carbondale-il-62901-REN025580641 [22:13]
asciilifeform: 'cmp', the other co. linked from trinque's old link, has actual PRICES!111 -- http://cmp.imag.fr/IMG/pdf/cmp_prices_schedule_sept-16.pdf [22:13]
* asciilifeform floored [22:13]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool eh! [22:14]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wai so cheap [22:15]
asciilifeform: tanstaafl!!! [22:15]
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Jaggx/?raw=true ( earlier link ) [22:16]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly a bitch to insure with the Giant concrete tanks being attractive nuissance and all. Also demo cost to other buyers would likely suck [22:16]
asciilifeform: 'CMP handles about 40 different design kits (corresponding to different technologies and different CAD tools), which are sent to customers upon signature of a Confidentiality and License Agreement.' << derpderp [22:17]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579521 << i must say "probablem" is actually remarkably act for the sort of problems one encounters in the post-determinist software world. [22:18]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 02:13 danielpbarron: come to think of it, that probablem happened with openbsd on a powerpc using firefox [22:18]
mircea_popescu: apt* [22:18]
mircea_popescu: karatkievich, that's a new one. [22:24]
asciilifeform: sure is [22:24]
asciilifeform: and afaik 1st new box since i tuned in [22:25]
asciilifeform: before this, they only died [22:25]
mircea_popescu: apparently the devil pact cleared. [22:25]
mircea_popescu: "What would Lucene at Google’s size look like? If we do a naive back of the envelope calculation on what it would take to index a significant fraction of the internet (often estimated to be 1 trillion (T) or 10T documents), we might expect a 1T document index to cost something like $10B1. That’s not a feasible startup, so let’s say that instead of trying to index 1T documents, we want to maintain an artisanal search ind [22:29]
mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit. [22:29]
asciilifeform: hey it came with warning!1111 [22:30]
mircea_popescu: insanity. [22:30]
mircea_popescu: he also manages to argue both ends at the same time - we apparently both underestimate how many low hanging fruit there are AND at the same time just how high these low hanging fruit actually come. hurr. [22:33]
mircea_popescu: and after all that engineering optimization companies care bla bla song and dance ? "So there are definitely more than ten million unique terms on the entire internet! In fact, there’s a website out there that has all primes under one trillion. I believe there are something like thirty-seven billion of those. If that website falls into one shard of our index, we’d expect to see more than thirty-seven billion terms in a si [22:34]
mircea_popescu: ngle shard that’s more than most people guess we’ll see on the entire internet, and that’s just in one shard that happens to contain one somewhat pathological site." [22:34]
mircea_popescu: really fucker, your engineers that pay for themselves by the score haven't figured out that YOU DO NOT INDEX TERMS LONGER THAN ABOUT A DOZEN CHARACTERS ? [22:34]
mircea_popescu: holy shit, people can barely type out their name without reaching for a napkin to clear the drool, i'm going to index the 5 billionth prime number as such. [22:35]
mircea_popescu: because i run a farm for idiot us-born capons in haskell on cloud and pay 12mn/year for a 1bn items index. [22:35]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker! [22:37]
mircea_popescu: verbatim from article : "And others type in what they think of as normal queries for their day-to-day work even if they seem weird to you (e.g., a biologist might query for GTGACCTTGGGCAAGTTACTTAACCTCTCTGTGCCTCAGTTTCCTCATCTGTAAAATGGGGATAATA)." here's that search : https://archive.is/oB6U3 [22:38]
mircea_popescu: apparently... a BIOLOGIST might NOT search for that an imbecile pretending to be a computer engineer however would. [22:38]
mircea_popescu: this is an eminent case of "Yes, yes, I know how it's doublespoken - socialism is not about them making their own lives better. It's all about making "other people's lives" better. Because it's so selfless and "good" and - most importantly! - because it can't be measured. If they dedicated themselves to making their own lives better, there'd be a definitive authority to say when they failed. But if they instead pretend to be [22:39]
mircea_popescu: all about making "other people's" lives better - well! Should anyone claim they failed they can just change the "other people", can't they! The socialist electorate, always and everywhere ein anderes. That enchanted, imaginary public which supports you (from a safe distance) in your quest as you destroy the little you actually have." [22:39]
mircea_popescu: he's solved the problems other people might have, on the basis of what he imagines a biologist might do, which is so pointedly not what any biologist ever does you can scarcely begin to wonder what fucking highschool the author frequented, because his mental furniture seems to have diverged from the common trunk somewhere around the age of NEGATIVE THIRTEEN, [22:40]
mircea_popescu: and all this at a cost to me of 12mn a year for NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM. [22:40]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker i want to kill this idiot. [22:40]
mircea_popescu: !!rate dan luu -10 unrecoverable imbecile. this rating carries to first order descendants - if you're the offspring of dan luu please kill yourself. [22:42]
deedbot: hands you a broomstick. [22:42]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/bitcoin-price-outlook-magenta-possible-in-2017/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Price Outlook: Magenta Possible In 2017 [22:46]
mircea_popescu: is magenta a large qty of price ? [22:48]
mircea_popescu: so according to the dude over at nullspace.io, bing has "20% of market share" according to some apparently public available sources. let's add to that : out of the ~0.9 %~ of trilema traffic that came from a search engine so far this year, 127,291 came from google and 2,666 came from bing. [22:52]
mircea_popescu: that... doesn't sound to me like 20%. more like 2%. [22:52]
mircea_popescu: but as the man points out - mostr of that reach comes from windows, ie and "strategic partners" a la http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/ [22:52]
mircea_popescu: which leads us to a new heuristic : the closer the search engine mix on your site is to bing having 20%, the more drool your "userbase" contributes to their immediate environment on a daily basis. [22:53]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is magenta a large qty of price ? << It is a bright kinda fruity color of price [22:54]
mircea_popescu: gaiety prevails! [22:54]
BingoBoingo: 4srs [22:55]
mircea_popescu: http://nickcraver.com/blog/2016/03/29/stack-overflow-the-hardware-2016-edition/ << mildly interesting, mostly because unlike ~everyone else in the web game nick carver is literate. [23:09]
mircea_popescu: but it DOES turn out that the upper range of stack exchange hardware is ~50% more ram than phuctor. so... nyah. [23:09]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i read the 'google' link, could think of only http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575868 , unique kunstkammer specimen [23:15]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 19:16 mircea_popescu: "mice were found in germany which is a country that once invaded the soviet union where lenin introduced electricity which goes through tubes in which tubes today in england most mices live." "OH NOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!!!" [23:15]
asciilifeform: hence posted. somewhere there live such people as the author!! what goes on in their heads? 'i am an acorn!!' [23:15]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja notice for what he uses '~50% more ram than phuctor' ? [23:16]
asciilifeform: 'VM Servers (VMWare, Currently)' [23:17]
asciilifeform: ahahah yes , 'let's run 10,001 instances of shitlinux!' [23:17]
asciilifeform: on one box! [23:17]
asciilifeform: because mother dropped us when we were small [23:17]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BD5120D4A95C75642CBB2D873E33FBC3C68B0FA4C2E02A493BC34DAEFE2664F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1621...7127 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.254.204.80 (ssh-rsa key from 213.254.204.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown FR) [23:19]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEE6B1521D93CE1983B98DAC3DDEC4D3B74D2316105ADF8BE6E9F18555E34512 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1365...6699 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.38.64.200 (ssh-rsa key from 84.38.64.200 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (server200.serverflex.de. DE) [23:19]
asciilifeform: http://server200.serverflex.de/user/index.php << lel [23:20]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! i said! [23:23]
mircea_popescu: or i guess i didn't say. but i meant to say! [23:24]
asciilifeform: brain-melting. [23:24]
mircea_popescu: i'd kinda like to see all these "engineers" (who, as per some random douche working for microsoft, can not be found because most "relevancy engineers" as if that's a thing already work at google) would run phuctor on. [23:25]
mircea_popescu: they run in circles of their own design and then complain about the results. it's like a scene spitefully drawn by rochester. [23:27]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "All servers are connected by 2 or more 10Gb network links in active/active LACP." [23:28]
mircea_popescu: but... why ? [23:28]
asciilifeform: i have monumentally nfi why [23:28]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29BAAA083699C2ABCFD0ED196201367CBA08B7AB03B3DF11757F8106ED70433B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...8917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '140.184.132.47 (ssh-rsa key from 140.184.132.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (spec2.smu.ca. CA NS) [23:28]
mircea_popescu: i mean the only thing this says is "we suck at system design" [23:29]
mircea_popescu: yes, your front end should run whatever, 18 bn terragigs or anything you can find [23:29]
mircea_popescu: but if your backend needs MULTIPLE 10g ports you're doing something wrong. [23:29]
asciilifeform: actually i worked once in certain place where we had dozens of 10g portz --- but there was a logical reason [23:30]
mircea_popescu: of course this leads them to buying no less than two cisco 5596UP. that's 25 grand. [23:31]
asciilifeform: (buncha boxes pxebooting from lan simultaneously, round the clock, for shitware analysis) [23:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they run a qntra! [23:31]
mircea_popescu: mkay, so they use a dozen server and a coupla sql grossly misprovisioned networking infrastructure and whatevs. whole setup should be about 50k. [23:35]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/12410CE4CD32008ABBD7B02A78C2E2EFB40A518866B52C2DFC884623E0DC5EA3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1535...8763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.117.28.54 (ssh-rsa key from 217.117.28.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (ip-217-117-28-54.bnk.lt. LT) [23:37]
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