Forum logs for 01 Mar 2020
| dorion: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-29#1958582 - welcome back to the tropics. | [00:19] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-02-29 18:22:16 mp_en_viaje: aaad hello from lovely costa rica! | [00:19] |
| dorion: | !!v C1607456AD107D45D2E6E854592F46FA8E8D536785627C9B3C716C07B9A50CF0 | [00:19] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated jfw 9 << my best good friend and business partner for many years. Writes at fixpoint.welshcomputing.com. Gales Linux, Gales Scheme, Gales Bitcoin Wallet, etc. | [00:19] |
| dorion: | !!v 66445996C6F42FD0A9787DC8C588F528E97B01C7B37B2B41EE6DA29701F2FBFF | [00:20] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated diana_coman 9 << she's helping me kill my stupidity. writes at ossasepia.com , owns younghands.club , S.MG CTO. | [00:20] |
| dorion: | !!v F405D5D8795C0B6B894E7E9AC5A6108441213AC0E08B5A4B647327C2D582754A | [00:20] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated mircea_popescu 9 << the part of you that doesn't like what he says is probably the part holding you back. long history of protecting the intelligent from idiots. MPEx/S.MPOE trilema.com go, read. | [00:20] |
| dorion: | !!v 7D1625840FAB9AB4BFFAF0C2667D615243A5ECF0D18B2C143E2F55F712F032CD | [00:20] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated hanbot 9 << she delivered numerous righteous smackdowns to idiots as MPOE-PR to help protect Bitcoin during its infancy. writes at thewhet.net | [00:20] |
| dorion: | !!v AE01D0E9CAB6A8ECDE4C00992B124F20D8536BD8DA0DFCE3983A532BC08683BE | [00:21] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated BingoBoingo 7 << not afraid to confront and strengthen his weak arm. writes at bingology.net editor of qntra.net though Pizarro failed, he handled the liquidation well. | [00:21] |
| dorion: | !!v 08C6C960AD7735F2E7CAC9542F114BF65F4766CDE14F7DF3FC624157CF98C055 | [00:21] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated bvt 7 << he's beating the Linux kernel into human use. very knowledgeable and capable across a wide technical spectrum. writes at bvt-trace.net. | [00:21] |
| dorion: | !!v 92C52594CAE9A41890F3B894EBF580464384EEFA600366CDF217A1C04C89DBF9 | [00:21] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated spyked 7 << owns feedbot and is mapping TMSR OS hardware. writes at thetarpit.org. | [00:21] |
| dorion: | !!v D133097B68712EDF71A940F7A4CBC3E75326E15025DCEA2EBFD080C6B113BBDF | [00:22] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated trinque 7 << he owns deedbot/deedbot.org and genesis'd irc/logbot and Cuntoo. went by undata in ancient logs. writes at trinque.org | [00:22] |
| dorion: | !!v 791D0ADF71F50B38B2AAA7700C8E09BF47D7E6AF5C475586865B737FB2C6F2A4 | [00:22] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated whaack 5 << enjoyed his company when he visited Panama. He managed to survive MIT and extract himself from USia to settle on a CR beach, writes at ztkfg.com. | [00:22] |
| dorion: | !!v 7D021280B0B8EC121FE9DBDA36FACED03C5EF226A6D5E5A43A37854A6FA3707E | [00:22] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated lobbes 5 << he owns auctionbot and isn't afraid to punch above his weight. writes at krankendenken.com | [00:22] |
| dorion: | !!v EEAB94B99BCD78B27FCF22D767DFE2EF0CD589596FD8FF6A7E4415BACC6D9A74 | [00:23] |
| deedbot: | dorion rated billymg 4 << he's doing good mp-wp work, writes at billymg.com | [00:23] |
| * dorion | is done rating for now. | [00:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | billymg, just about, wanna-be ameristan. god knows they're spending every available moment clucking at their cluckers. how exactly would that produce substantially different results is anyone's guess. | [00:43] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-29#1958594 - ahaha, this sounds so much ~Apoi drumeţul se întoarse acasă şi petrecu lângă ai săi, pe cari-i socoti mai cu duh decât pe cei ce văzuse în călătoria sa. | [08:52] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-02-29 19:38:43 mp_en_viaje: eleven months and a common man's fortune expended towards the scouring of olde yurp has in the end made me quite happy to be back home. | [08:52] |
| mp_en_viaje: | you know ? | [08:52] |
| diana_coman: | sadly, I quite know, myeah | [08:52] |
| mp_en_viaje: | can't even put into words the "how come", it's just simply that everyone in costa rica is stupid naturally and only to the extension it can't be helped, | [08:53] |
| mp_en_viaje: | whereas the common yurpean is proud of how fucking dumb he's come to be. | [08:53] |
| mp_en_viaje: | of course the perverse part of this is that home turns out to be a tiny unknown strip of jungle 1/4 globe away from my place of birth. but then again, what can you do. | [08:54] |
| mp_en_viaje: | meanwhile in cititoriy intreaba, noi raspundem... do you recall where that friend of mine who lived with a dog is mentioned ? | [08:55] |
| diana_coman: | well, it takes hard work to get dumb, so ...proud of all the effort! | [08:55] |
| mp_en_viaje: | cititoriy roflmao. i've been hanging out with lanky blonde whores too long!! | [08:56] |
| diana_coman: | cr is unlikely to have those from what I saw. | [08:57] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hm ? | [08:58] |
| diana_coman: | hm, I recall reading the mention + there was surely something in one of your stories but no handle for search comes to mind right now. | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: the lanky blonde whores don't seem to be native to cr, lol | [08:59] |
| mp_en_viaje: | oh. no, ukraina. one can import anything! | [08:59] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the curse and also the blessing^Hcurse of the modern man. | [08:59] |
| diana_coman: | ahaha, all right then. | [08:59] |
| mp_en_viaje: | how's the coronal flu in england proud these days ? have ye sad lot seceeded from scotland yet ? | [09:00] |
| diana_coman: | I think that'd be too much work! | [09:01] |
| mp_en_viaje: | right, maybe if they do it themselves. but eventually did quit the eu ? or still "men at work, road closed" ? | [09:02] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: ah, with the 1st of Feb, yes as the silent poison said the circus is still on though. | [09:04] |
| mp_en_viaje: | did it do anything yet, as far as can be directly determined ? | [09:04] |
| diana_coman: | re flu it's all right, I'm sure there's plenty of advice and "we'll take care of it" everywhere, except I never quite bother to look and it didn't seem to make any difference | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: neah well, it made for less interesting "pm's questions" show on wednesdays, that's about it all. | [09:05] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the costa ricans wanted to know whether i visited china, iran or korea in the interval. i wanted to know how they arrived at the list. they wanted to know if i don't watch the news or what's my problem. | [09:05] |
| diana_coman: | ahahah I thought it was Italy the trouble now! | [09:06] |
| mp_en_viaje: | honestly, if they had forbidden italians travel back in say 1920, it might've saved argentina. | [09:06] |
| mp_en_viaje: | by now, the shit's out of the vessel. | [09:06] |
| diana_coman: | heh, that reminds me of a "work of art" that answered the q of why is Italy shaped like a boot: because that much shit would never fit in a shoe! | [09:09] |
| * diana_coman | can't find ofc the article on own blog though I think I did write it. | [09:10] |
| diana_coman: | ha, found it! though the bit is in a comment, the topic fits anyway, I'd say. | [09:13] |
| * mp_en_viaje | was reading old ro artyicles anyays, lessee! | [09:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, pfoai tu ce s-o ales de ala ? vaz ca saitu' ii tat chinaspam ca al lu' alalatu' emigrat inteligent. | [09:16] |
| mp_en_viaje: | saracii astia... | [09:16] |
| mp_en_viaje: | Șapte reguli, trei zicale, ce mai zis-a unul mare, hai ca ie bine. | [09:17] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: ahaha, ce vrei si tu de la 2010. | [09:17] |
| mp_en_viaje: | no, but i say it plainly, it's fine | [09:18] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: ah, zamo? no idea, kind of drifted away and "too busy" etc so not exactly surprising. | [09:19] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "Filozofii Regi si Parlamentul Perfect - Also Sprach Zamolxis" how do you like them apples! gnat can't survive a decade, mouthfulla big ticket items, philosophers, kings, why the hell not. | [09:20] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i don't recall where's included that picture with the 12yo boy looking angry from under an abundance of spurious shaving cream, but anyways. | [09:21] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, amusingly enough, if one were tasked to discuss your evolution over the past decade, it'd inescapably run something like "she moved on -- from the theoretical, to the practical". am i detaining you from the day's restatement in #o of the basic explanations re "somewhat of a superficial approximation of work" or have you already done the day's quota ? | [09:24] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: ahaha, it's usually around 7pm UTC for that so no, not yet, heh. | [09:25] |
| * diana_coman | thinking re theoretical to the practical. | [09:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | it's going to end up a satirical piece, "diana : fetch me my arms! page, after a time : i went in the arms room and looked around, saw arms there. diana : good, now fetch. page, after another time : i lifted various over the head, and came back to tell after setting them down again. room for improvmenent : next time ima set them back down in the same places i lifted therm up from" | [09:26] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: ahahah, not that far away at times, no. | [09:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "diana : just bring them here. page, after a time : here's a sketch i drew of me bringing them over." | [09:28] |
| mp_en_viaje: | there was a time when amelia bedelia was a funny character. | [09:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | meanwhile in other lulz, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+wear+make-up+in+a+god+honoring+way | [10:03] |
| mp_en_viaje: | it's a thing! | [10:03] |
| * mp_en_viaje | re-read http://trilema.com/2012/clasele-sociale-din-socialismul-contemporan/ remarkable how little has fucking changed. | [10:36] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hanbot hey remember http://trilema.com/2013/since-theres-no-end-of-these-unidentified-pointless-objects/ ? :D | [11:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and speaking of http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/29/a-basic-requirement-for-the-literate-introducing-of-new-tools/#fn3-5091 what's trinque up to these days ?! | [11:35] |
| mp_en_viaje: | why all the spurts, man ? | [11:36] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema-hanbot/2020-02-17#1001392 << you can't be serious ?! how's about say cat ? | grep http | sed 's/http/\nhttp/g' | grep ^http | sed 's/\(^http[^ <]*\)\(.*\)/\1/g' | [11:43] |
| ossabot: | (trilema-hanbot) 2020-02-17 BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad diana_coman: The problem of identifying an article url on a blog url without importing python or something else heavy has me stumped, so I've been reconsidering the possibility of blasting out a crawl over serveral degrees. The flow filewise would be something like 'churn' to 'churndomains' to 'churn2' to 'churndomains2' and so on out to the ending on a list of all the urls scraped in the third or four | [11:43] |
| mp_en_viaje: | or do you mean something else ? | [11:43] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2020/02/vsh-parts-25-and-3-one-binary-ada-solver-and-ada-vfilter-implementation/#comment-149 | [13:57] |
| trinque: | mp_en_viaje: I'm around, been turning a meager win into a sustainable machine. | [14:19] |
| trinque: | diana_coman: I'm happy to "fix my quoting". Who is the source of truth for mpwp? | [14:19] |
| trinque: | if there isn't currently an answer, I'll host the patches. | [14:19] |
| trinque: | I don't have w/e patch improves the quoting mechanism apparently | [14:20] |
| * trinque | recently fixed his theme and sidebar, so hopefully it's otherwise in a somewhat more useful state | [14:21] |
| mp_en_viaje: | trinque, cool. so... line1, basically the linux discussion on yoru blog is tabled till q2 ? till 2021 ? something in between ? line 2. we gonna read the story of that win and turning or is it likely to have to be sikrit ? | [14:21] |
| mp_en_viaje: | line 3, you coming to costa rica ? | [14:22] |
| diana_coman: | trinque: billymg works on mpwp and hosts the full tree afaik. | [14:22] |
| diana_coman: | trinque: but I am not sure I follow what you say there - what do you mean by quoting? the select? | [14:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, i suspect billymg 's thing might not actually include http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-132249 | [14:24] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: if trinque means indeed that aka the selection mechanism,that is anyway not going to be in the tree since it requires a change to the *theme*'s file, no? | [14:25] |
| trinque: | not tabled, and I apologize for the delay. I think it needs about one more post, and then there'll be a whole item described. I've been digging into that this weekend, ought to be able to squeeze it out today or tomorrow. | [14:26] |
| trinque: | re: CR, is there a meeting planned, or is this an open ended question? | [14:27] |
| trinque: | diana_coman: could perhaps include it as a util you can pull into your theme or not | [14:27] |
| trinque: | I've also done some spelunking in the php myself, and there might be other ways to pull it in aside theme, if I can see the patch | [14:27] |
| trinque: | there's a get_header func or something, could come in via that. | [14:28] |
| * trinque | brb, coffee | [14:28] |
| diana_coman: | trinque: the ref for the select mechanism is mp_en_viaje's link above aka the article on trilema really not a vpatch as such afaik. | [14:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | trinque, rather open ended | [15:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, yes. | [15:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the whole "theme" thing is iffy, and part and parcel of why this particular tree (mp-wp) is so deeply misbehaving is that it rests upon a large pile of intricate design errors and failures. | [15:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i practically have the choice of either publishing a screamingly offensive non-patch in november of 2019, or else wait until there's a place to meaningfully add it as a patch which necessarily is stalled on "what the fuck is the correct cut for themes, cuz it seems evident it isn't what's now done", which in turn rests on a half dozen or so more nodes that are all further away from what is actually being worked now. | [15:16] |
| mp_en_viaje: | in my mind the ideal theme would be a config file, not the current pile of actually executable files wth theme is that. columns = 2 main = left main = 2/3 is a theme. | [15:19] |
| mp_en_viaje: | such that someone could try out a theme without having to ~read code~ or worry that who knows what rm -rf is in there | [15:20] |
| mp_en_viaje: | but i see no hope of working all of this out besides taking it by steps and degrees. | [15:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | then if people don't use the proper linking thing and the dysfunctional js one becomes too entrenched we'll be stuck with it forever and so on and so forth. | [15:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | trinque, billymg and iirc whaack are here on a more or less permanent basis, so something could most likely be organized, too. | [15:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | speaking of which, where in cr are you whaack ? i dun remember | [15:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | dorion, jfw bvt lobbes spyked & other interested parties -- you wanna make something of it ? | [15:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i know how to get excellent veuve clicquot & such, etc | [15:28] |
| mp_en_viaje: | iirc diana_coman liked it here last year | [15:29] |
| * mp_en_viaje | goes to dig for pix | [15:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/04/pura-vida-like-no-other/ there we go | [15:30] |
| * diana_coman | realises she did not take a pic of the steak! | [15:33] |
| diana_coman: | hah, it's 2 years ago already, what last year. | [15:35] |
| mp_en_viaje: | well, ok, 16 months. you coming back ? | [15:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the idea of the dead reckoning bus seating is fabulous. "hello sir, your seat is three steps left from greeting stewardess, two steps right after that" | [15:39] |
| diana_coman: | I honestly have no idea I did obtain finally all the possible passports though so at least I *can* go anywhere. | [15:45] |
| billymg: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958703 << i have a strong feeling the reason it's *not* this, and the reason the mp-wp genesis is 7x the size of trb genesis by LOC, is because it was designed by the "no one user matters more than another" crowd | [15:47] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-03-01 11:28:37 mp_en_viaje: in my mind the ideal theme would be a config file, not the current pile of actually executable files wth theme is that. columns = 2 main = left main = 2/3 is a theme. | [15:47] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2020-02-18 19:29:06 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: to my mind the "no one user matters more than another" means of course "no user matters at all" because it follows by necessity. | [15:47] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, well, the problem with anywhere not-here is that the summers do get too hot and the winters too cold. i intend to travel maybe to brazil may-ish, but otherwise i expect i'll be mostly around, so if you feel like it... | [15:48] |
| mp_en_viaje: | billymg, quite possible indeed. | [15:48] |
| billymg: | as for vpatching the server side select mechanism, since mp-wp ships with two base themes a patch could at least be made to include the select mechanism in those. seeing as how most people copy/paste one of the included theme directories to customize/create their own | [15:49] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: noted. | [15:49] |
| billymg: | at least as an interim until proper theming in mp-wp is solved, just so the correct select mechanism is at least included in the package on first press | [15:50] |
| mp_en_viaje: | billymg, i think that'd be the salutary thing that wayy it'll at least carry over passively through edits | [15:51] |
| mp_en_viaje: | mind though that you include the whole shebang, the reason i linked to that comment rather than the article plainly is that the ~correct~ auto-select stubs on pingback were only introduced there | [15:52] |
| billymg: | mp_en_viaje: got it, makes sense | [15:53] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, i hope it doesn't come across as any kind of disinterest or noninviting. i very much would like to do more steaks, but i don't want to produce an obligation. | [15:53] |
| mp_en_viaje: | billymg, with it, one gets the great advantage that pingbacks to his blog also link to the correct place in the article, which imo is big. | [15:54] |
| billymg: | mp_en_viaje: agree. ugh, yeah, i've really been meaning to publish a roadmap for mp-wp that others can comment on | [16:00] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: thank you and no worries at all I hope I didn't come across as not wanting to visit either, it's more the 12+ hours travel one way that gives me pause. | [16:01] |
| billymg: | i'll do that this week | [16:01] |
| billymg: | (the roadmap article that is) | [16:01] |
| diana_coman: | bvt: I'll have to check closer what's going wrong with the script on my machine as there seems to be some weird going on, possibly at output rather than anything deeper. | [16:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | mp_en_viaje: Thank you. I've been making progress fitting more of the tools in my hand and building with them. diana_coman is working me on how to plan, re-examining my relationship with time and how I budget it, and grounding myself in practicality. I've surrendered to diana_coman's mastery and the breaches in my head aren't completely closed yet, but I'm surrendered and working her program. | [16:33] |
| diana_coman: | the above is re the v.sh script . | [16:33] |
| bvt: | ty. if you gzip the work directory and publish it somewhere i'll look into it as well. i also took a stab at indented flow output (http://bvt-trace.net/2020/02/vsh-parts-25-and-3-one-binary-ada-solver-and-ada-vfilter-implementation/#comment-150) | [16:41] |
| bvt: | mp_en_viaje: http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/29/a-basic-requirement-for-the-literate-introducing-of-new-tools/#comment-7669 | [16:42] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, i just did it, so yeah. fly avianca though, via colombia, leaving either spain or germany. easily the best airline over the atlantic today. | [17:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | BingoBoingo, a aite then. | [17:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | bvt, aha, worx | [17:16] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "On the more positive side, based on what he has told us, he made a career from designing and implementing HFT systems for a wide range of fiat exchanges and instruments. He told us at one point he was paying $20k/month for leased lines." << from experience, none of these claims are ever true. [http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/?b=roughly%20Di&e=equivalent#select][people just say thi | [18:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | ngs]. | [18:27] |
| feedbot: | http://ossasepia.com/2020/03/01/martisor/ << Ossa Sepia -- Martisor | [20:08] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2020/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2020-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2020 Report | [20:45] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2020/02/vsh-parts-25-and-3-one-binary-ada-solver-and-ada-vfilter-implementation/#comment-152 | [20:56] |
| diana_coman: | bvt: http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/29/a-basic-requirement-for-the-literate-introducing-of-new-tools/#comment-7673 | [21:11] |
| trinque: | mp_en_viaje: I might be able to travel in summer, don't mind the mugginess as long as there's beach. | [23:03] |
| trinque: | billymg: what did you think of my proposal to suck the quoter up into the get_header func? | [23:03] |
| trinque: | if the problem with wp is that it was designed "for everybody", putting improvements in an optional codepath (themes) seems exactly the wrong thing. | [23:04] |
| billymg: | trinque: i haven't looked closely enough at it yet to say but i will check out get_header and see if i can get it working that way. ty for the lead on that | [23:12] |
| billymg: | trinque: also, hey, i've got about a week left here in austin. if you're not too busy let me know if you'd be up for a drink or some steaks | [23:13] |
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