Forum logs for 31 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

nubbins`	BETTER HURRY	[00:00]
benkay	first time since i got on the internet	[00:00]
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pankkake	there are bots auto-registering names	[00:00]
pankkake	just hope they don't crawl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/	[00:00]
benkay	no i have the domain, that's fine.	[00:00]
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benkay	i'm just startled to the sushi joint's moved on from the domain in question	[00:01]
pankkake	I maintain links to band websites, they're replaced by spam very quickly after expiration	[00:01]
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artifexd	benkay Do you see a problem with me@whatever.com emails?	[00:11]
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mircea_popescu	"Interesting, Romain Bignon is a Python dev. Pankkake had some python work done for MP"	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	clearly.	[00:14]
nubbins`	interestingly, these idiots aren't working for scotland yard	[00:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62504019 = 3.1252 BTC [+] {3}	[00:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699884 = 0.114 BTC [+]	[00:24]
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mircea_popescu	well, derpland yard. just as good.	[00:28]
nubbins`	"perhaps we should pursue legal action"	[00:28]
nubbins`	yes. perhaps.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	haha, they are behind 7 lawyers.	[00:29]
nubbins`	!!	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	"Unless you prove otherwise I think it is fair and right that me and dotcoin both see that quite a bit of evidence points to you being Romain Bignon."	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	logically.	[00:29]
nubbins`	y'know, prove a negative	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	unless you bring me a praline i shall eat your cake.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	pankkake anyway, dun freak out. buncha forum derps.	[00:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64999977 BTC [+]	[00:31]
pankkake	the real issue is that it's not me they're stalking	[00:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.064 = 0.256 BTC [+]	[00:31]
pankkake	I'm pretty used to threats	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	benkay what's wrong with initial-name@corp ?	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so contact the person, offer to appear as witness, they can prolly get teh gendarmerie involved	[00:32]
nubbins`	honestly the oddest thing about this whole "everyone is mp" thing is that there's a much, much simpler explanation, and people just refuse to believe. seriously, as if you having a hundred sock accounts, each with a distinct writing style, is a more plausible explanation than you paying someone to post on the forums	[00:32]
pankkake	he's a friend	[00:32]
benkay	artifexd: me@whatever doesn't really convey the right image	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` why would i pay people to pretend they're not speaking for me ?	[00:32]
pankkake	and I don't want friends to be bothered	[00:33]
benkay	mircea_popescu: i've yet to settle on a thing. canvassing people who've seen things, you see.	[00:33]
pankkake	of course he's also used to threats :D	[00:33]
artifexd	What image do you want to convey?	[00:33]
nubbins`	why would people think pankkake is you?	[00:33]
benkay	artifexd: excellent question.	[00:33]
nubbins`	why would anybody anything :D it boggles the mind	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	im kinda basking in the glory of being... mp. da fuck do i care, teh forum is going to dox the hell out of "mircea popescu is really... this romanian guy... by the name... mircea popescu"	[00:33]
nubbins`	^	[00:34]
nubbins`	heh	[00:34]
nubbins`	IMPOSSIBRU	[00:34]
nubbins`	next you'll tell me satoshi nakam... wait.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	those are the words that must never be spoken nubbins`	[00:34]
nubbins`	oh fuck did i let the cat out of the bag?	[00:34]
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nubbins`	kakobrekla can you edit the logs plz	[00:35]
nubbins`	and thus a new conspiracy is born	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	in my forum reports, "ragehead scammer derping all over pankakke https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545220.new#new"	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	right next to	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	"some noob made an anti-davout hate thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=548245.0"	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	what is it with you french people.	[00:36]
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pankkake	davout has the best haters right now: http://www.actubitcoin.fr/	[00:37]
kakobrekla	>French members are tired.	[00:37]
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kakobrekla	zomg. endoftheworld.swf	[00:37]
kakobrekla	literally.	[00:37]
pankkake	you might have trouble reading his French, as he has terrible spelling	[00:37]
kakobrekla	with quotes.	[00:37]
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mircea_popescu	o actu short for actuel or w/e. clever.	[00:38]
kakobrekla	i dunno, someone write to him to have a nap.	[00:38]
davout	"actu" is "news"	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	"David Francois est née le 29 Mai 1983, âgé donc de 30 ans" why teh fag glasses davout ?!	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	"Il est née à Leiden au Pays-Bas."	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	fascinating.	[00:39]
davout	n'est-ce pas	[00:39]
pankkake	so davout used to be a girl	[00:39]
nubbins`	heh	[00:39]
nubbins`	more like davPOUT, amirite?	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	davpoutine	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	"Je soupçonne un montage fiscal permettant une fraude massive ."	[00:40]
davout	mircea_popescu: thanks, didn't know about the english thread	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	well it's good that they soup cony or whatever.	[00:40]
nubbins`	when i lived in ottawa, it was not uncommon for clueless anglos to approach a poutine stand and loudly declare JE VOUDRAIS UNE POUTAIN	[00:41]
pankkake	hahaha	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545292.msg5956581#msg5956581 << check out pankkake trying to get forum noobs to pay for his nosejob :D	[00:41]
ozbot	ActiveMining thread mods are actively trying to scam people	[00:41]
nubbins`	quqbecois insert the tiniest hint of an "s" after the "t" in poutine	[00:42]
nubbins`	poutseen	[00:42]
pankkake	I have been told I have a beautiful nose	[00:42]
pankkake	and my nose job was an inside job	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[00:42]
tg2	Somebody say poutine?	[00:42]
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pankkake	it's call turbinoplastie	[00:42]
pankkake	TURBINES	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	rhinoturbinoplasty	[00:43]
nubbins`	turbhinoplasty	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530306.0	[00:43]
nubbins`	tg2 many times	[00:43]
ozbot	VIRCUREX IS RUNNING WITH NEGATIVE NAV: BEWARE EVERYBODY	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	lalala	[00:43]
pankkake	last thing I did was my teeth getting scrubbed for two hours straight. it's fun	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	i guess it's time for some rating	[00:44]
pankkake	I go back this week	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	;;rated kumala	[00:44]
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mircea_popescu	;;gpg eauth	[00:44]
gribble	(gpg eauth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[00:44]
nubbins`	one evening at a poutine stand in downtown ottawa, guy in front of me waits in line for 2-3 minutes and orders a bucket of water when his turn comes. worker says "a bucket of water? why?"	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	;;gpg eauth mircea_popescu	[00:44]
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nubbins`	guy responds "your garbage can is on fire"	[00:44]
benkay	lol canada	[00:44]
nubbins`	right?	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8668ebe8d03a1f2c32d4fc1acd38cf1a08ea8c443c55528ea0165ba4	[00:44]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452	[00:44]
nubbins`	can't just bust into the front of the line :D	[00:44]
benkay	you people.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	;;rate kumala -10 consumate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack.	[00:45]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user kumala has been recorded.	[00:45]
nubbins`	i think it's "consummate"	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	;;rate kumala -10 consummate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	ty.	[00:45]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate hanbot 5 The forum loves her a lot.	[00:46]
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pankkake	nice nickname	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	"When people try to launch start-up, like chronocoin in france, or beegcoin, or others, immediately, he try to attack website, he writes aggresive messages and delete topic."	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	for shame.	[00:48]
davout	many delete. such shame. wow	[00:49]
tg2	That English it's for shame	[00:49]
pankkake	sad part is, their French isn't any better	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	down with this oppression from leiden! people wish to be free and launch assets!	[00:50]
nubbins`	"nubbins you may be asked or told to hand over this info by dotcoins lawyer, I would suggest you do that sooner rather than later."	[00:50]
nubbins`	my fucking SIDES	[00:50]
nubbins`	somebody's paying for side surgery	[00:50]
nubbins`	and it ain't me	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	i ain't payin for your sides	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	they were broken when you got here	[00:50]
nubbins`	hmm, is that why they're always aching?	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	you're a sideist	[00:50]
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nubbins`	better that than a frontist :D	[00:51]
pankkake	"NotLambchop is a Belize-registered virtual identity law firm wholly owned by TheMiracle, which represents itself and its profits. We (they) are the legal council representing pankkake et al. and others too" :D	[00:51]
davout	nubbins`: markus weiler, he is the archetypal village idiot	[00:51]
tg2	Daveout du you even sock bro	[00:51]
nubbins`	;;google frontist	[00:51]
gribble	Frontist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; AWL school: Economism and frontist delusions - Communist Party of ...: ; Transverzala SREMSKI FRONT ist.deo.flv - YouTube:	[00:51]
tg2	learn2sock	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	that guy's from something awful, amusingly enough.	[00:51]
davout	tg2: wut	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	davout he's just trying to be part of the cool kids, dun fret.	[00:52]
nubbins`	heh	[00:52]
nubbins`	i like the hint of empty threat	[00:52]
davout	tg2: may i see your haters please?	[00:52]
nubbins`	you may be asked... or TOLD	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	"Tell you what - I'm at the UKDCA meeting in London on Monday - anyone is welcome to come and accuse me of whatever to my face, when I can likewise see your face and we can communicate like humans."	[00:52]
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mircea_popescu	someone should go and moon him.	[00:52]
tg2	I kindly direct you to benkay	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	"If you continue to post in the thread you will be reported to theymos who could take further action. You have already been asked to stop posting."	[00:54]
tg2	Don't worry about getting ousted from the French section, the French have historically demonstrated difficulty in that field.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	this is like usagi level of internet threatening	[00:54]
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nubbins`	STOP OR I WILL TELL TUPPERWARE I MEAN THERMOS	[00:55]
benkay	don't forget to burp the thermos	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	"My father emotionally, physically and sexually abused me. I moved out at the age of seventeen, hoping to escape all the pain, only to find out that it would follow me. My psyche and boundaries were very damaged and I did not realize that because of my upbringing and appearance I attracted sexual predators.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	After marrying at age twenty-one, I discovered my husband was a porn addict. So great was his sexual perversity and infidelity that I was at a loss to know what to do to save my marriage. Finally, after five years of marriage, I sought counseling from my church pastor."	[00:55]
tg2	Crisse que les français sont des bébés lala	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	^upcoming ipo.	[00:56]
nubbins`	would buy	[00:56]
benkay	now iploling feelings	[00:56]
tg2	"Mon thread d'innocent s'est fait effacer, qq"	[00:56]
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mircea_popescu	twist : "I had no idea that this man had a history of being a sexual predator. He had been moved from church to church after each report of sexual abuse but no other action was taken, nor was the new congregation warned. After several counseling sessions he gained my trust."	[00:57]
tg2	Rape magnet	[00:57]
tg2	There's an app for that	[00:58]
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benkay	candy crush 'character's on nyse for ipo?	[01:05]
benkay	cooooooool.	[01:05]
benkay	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/business/in-some-ways-its-looking-like-1999-in-the-stock-market.html	[01:05]
the20year2	shock, surprise	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	yeah. in some ways it's looking like 1929	[01:06]
benkay	"soup lines" -> "soup mobs"	[01:07]
the20year2	tech may be in a bubble? No way	[01:07]
the20year2	those are lies	[01:07]
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davout	;;eauth davout	[01:08]
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mircea_popescu	and by tech we mean, of course... "hey ma, i made a website"	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	slash iphone app	[01:08]
benkay	this is tech specific and not endemic to fiat-denominated stocks?	[01:09]
nubbins`	slash i need money for my idea	[01:09]
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davout	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e0bfc984b8a7ad54d1c869b166c2bf660e57f8598a81d67ec713754c	[01:09]
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davout	;;rated ThomasV	[01:09]
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davout	;;rate ThomasV 3 electrum	[01:10]
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jurov	ThomasV is etotheipi?	[01:10]
pankkake	etotheipi is Armory	[01:11]
jurov	ohhhh sry	[01:11]
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nubbins`	i let four pounds of ground pork spoil :(	[01:15]
the20year2	you terrible human	[01:17]
the20year2	that could have fed a village	[01:17]
nubbins`	i actually feel pretty bad about it	[01:17]
nubbins`	i dislike wasting food	[01:17]
deadweasel	beef abuse	[01:18]
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deadweasel	as if it could be abused anymore	[01:18]
nubbins`	pork abuse	[01:18]
deadweasel	oh man, the brain is replacing words again.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you don't have any cold left in canada ?	[01:20]
nubbins`	i ground it and then left it in the fridge for like 5 days	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	way i hear it works in these northern places, people just fit a box to their windowsill	[01:20]
Namworld	nanotube Neil nick1234abcd NormDePloome novusordo nubbins`	[01:20]
nubbins`	stupid :(	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` heh even 2 days is wrong.	[01:20]
nubbins`	i know D:	[01:21]
nubbins`	"i should freeze that" (3 days pass)	[01:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12888 @ 0.00094035 = 12.1192 BTC [-] {2}	[01:21]
nubbins`	http://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/4438727-medical-marijuana-changes-must-meet-patient-needs/	[01:22]
ozbot	Medical marijuana changes must meet patient needs	[01:22]
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nubbins`	so patients who possess marijuana from the old program have been given a reprieve, and don't have to throw their old weed in the garbage just yet	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	they can threow it in the bong instead.	[01:23]
nubbins`	+1	[01:23]
nubbins`	or the vaporizer! combustion is for rubes	[01:23]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/medical-marijuana-users-face-rising-price-dilemma-april-1-1.2592017	[01:24]
ozbot	Medical marijuana users face rising price dilemma April 1 - British Columbia - CBC News	[01:24]
nubbins`	^ better source	[01:24]
benkay	that's like pulling just the booze out of a fine wine, nubbins`,	[01:24]
nubbins`	nahhh	[01:25]
nubbins`	vaporizing releases much more detectible flavor compounds	[01:25]
nubbins`	you light it on fire, all you taste is char	[01:25]
benkay	same with a steak!	[01:25]
benkay	for some value of same.	[01:25]
nubbins`	same with coffee!	[01:25]
benkay	a little burninating's fine.	[01:26]
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mircea_popescu	this is pretty interesting : https://twitter.com/relateablefuuu/status/443142501268869120/photo/1	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	guy with 600 followers and already following 2001 people somehow gets 800 retweets	[01:27]
nubbins`	"Alison Myrden of Burlington, Ont., says it costs just pennies for her designated grower to produce the more than 100 grams of marijuana she needs each day to relieve symptoms of multiple sclerosis and trigeminal neuralgia, a disorder of the nervous system that causes especially intense discomfort."	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	yet i've never heard of the post.	[01:27]
nubbins`	she ingests ONE HUNDRED GRAMS of marijuana.	[01:27]
nubbins`	A DAY.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	could we be at the point where people actually buy fake/spam retweets to try and prop themselves into the conversation ?	[01:28]
nubbins`	that's a gram every ten minutes	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` well if she eats it...	[01:28]
nubbins`	even worse	[01:28]
nubbins`	eating 100g in a day? you might as well induce a coma	[01:29]
nubbins`	seriously, get a daily smoker to eat two grams and they'll spend the next ten hours seriously reconsidering their choice	[01:29]
nubbins`	i can only hope she makes a tincture or something	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	so she's selling it you're thinking ?	[01:29]
peterl	maybe she means she needs a few pennies for 100 milligrams?	[01:30]
peterl	units, how do they work?	[01:30]
jurov	don't they measure hash in libraries of congress or sth?	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	yeah i doubt very much it costs a quarter per pound to make weed.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	peterl prolly has it.	[01:31]
nubbins`	no, i don't think she's selling, it'd be too brazen. she wouldn't agree to be interviewed	[01:33]
nubbins`	no doubt she boils it up to make tea or some such	[01:33]
nubbins`	i just can't comprehend what wasteful method of preparation causes this poor woman to have to go through over a quarter pound every day of her life	[01:34]
peterl	maybe she just burns it as incense instead of smoking it?	[01:34]
nubbins`	i honestly have no idea	[01:35]
nubbins`	maybe her MS really is just that intense	[01:35]
nubbins`	i've seen people with MS who seize so bad that they can't even communicate	[01:35]
jurov	i think she bathes in it	[01:35]
nubbins`	few puffs and they can function normally	[01:35]
nubbins`	it's actually fucked	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	maybe she feeds it to her cats and then rubs them ?	[01:36]
nubbins`	heh.	[01:36]
nubbins`	animal abuse!	[01:36]
jurov	civet coffee comes to mind	[01:36]
jurov	perish the thought	[01:36]
nubbins`	civet coffee doesn't even taste particularly good	[01:38]
nubbins`	i've seen pictures of freshly-shat civet coffee covered in intestinal worms	[01:39]
nubbins`	protip: coffee isn't magic, you're not guaranteed a good cup just because it came from location X or was processed via method Y	[01:39]
nubbins`	protip: you can taste the best coffees in the world whenever you want, for $5-15 per pound	[01:40]
nubbins`	anyway	[01:40]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/BC/ID/2445586237/	[01:40]
ozbot	Topless artist smashes ceramic breasts - CBC News Vancouver at 6 - CBC Player	[01:40]
Diablo-D3	... is the name of my coldplay cover band	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/a331f08b68884919ccb845a73890b6df/tumblr_mlajx5ODav1s49lc7o1_1280.jpg	[01:41]
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Mats_cd03	gross	[01:45]
Mats_cd03	i dont need bald dudes in the same frame as the boobies	[01:46]
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nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5991722#msg5991722	[01:52]
ozbot	Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'	[01:52]
nubbins`	such negative language	[01:52]
nubbins`	calling people spastics and retards ;(	[01:52]
pankkake	"spastic" c'est bien une insulte de rosbif	[01:52]
Duffer1	the level of stupid in that thread is.. i can't even find an adequate adjective..	[01:53]
nubbins`	mmhmm	[01:53]
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nubbins`	back-to-back freakout posts	[01:53]
nubbins`	"here's some more shit i read on the internet, ctrl-v"	[01:53]
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nubbins`	guy is literally falling apart at the seams	[01:54]
nubbins`	"And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake"	[01:54]
pankkake	sounds dirty	[01:54]
nubbins`	yup	[01:54]
Duffer1	you woud be too if you held a large stake in actm	[01:54]
nubbins`	plainly obvious at this point that the guy isn't going to be contacting anyone. ever.	[01:54]
nubbins`	if he was going to, he'd do it, rather than flapping his gums trying to scare a confession out of you	[01:55]
pankkake	well since he is talking about antitrust, yes - doesn't need to be a lawyer to see how offtopic it is	[01:55]
pankkake	but yes, typical harassment	[01:55]
pankkake	as long as he harasses only me… I'm ok with it	[01:55]
Duffer1	antitrust != defamation	[01:55]
pankkake	and doesn't even concern people but businesses	[01:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62356 = 3.1178 BTC [-] {5}	[01:56]
nubbins`	imagine going to any sort of authority with the claim "an anonymous frenchman is saying bad things about a company i've invested in, and he says he will shut up if you pay him 30 euros"	[01:57]
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nubbins`	DEAR GOD SIR WE WILL ASSEMBLE A TASK FORCE IMMEDIATELY	[01:57]
nubbins`	best part:	[01:58]
nubbins`	You are ALL going to pay for your own stupidity and greed soon.	[01:58]
nubbins`	what does that even mean D:	[01:58]
Duffer1	that was the only part of pankakke's discourse that i thought was trollish lol	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	rosbif = roastbeef ?	[01:58]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: yes. a nickname for UK people	[01:59]
Duffer1	"Price: 0.005 BTC per post, i.e. 1 BTC gives you 200 posts."	[01:59]
pankkake	so much drama for something that netted me 0 BTC	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	"And yes European Antitrust Laws protect companies before things happen like that here, it is not only a scandal it shows me how unprofessional and jealous you people works, there is a lot of incompetence in the room now but not on my site."	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	"I copy the whole IRC chat of you guys since 26.4.2013 i am sure there are so many interesting things inside."	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	imagine, reading the whole log.	[02:00]
Duffer1	the first time i've ever heard reading the log could be a bad thing	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	well... it's the nature of the clueless to misrepresent. so he things it'd be a bad thing.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	irl, either he reads it and becomes a better person or fails to read ti and well...	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	no damage.	[02:02]
Duffer1	no change	[02:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62081999 = 6.2082 BTC [-] {4}	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake:	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	http://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/user/standard.php?id_rub=167&id_article=1078	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha jesus god.	[02:02]
Duffer1	it's almost hard to watch the ActM victims lash out at those who would rescue them from drowning	[02:04]
Duffer1	it's tough facing the knowledge you are the cliche	[02:04]
pankkake	and you can't get away from it, I stopped writing in their thread but they're still mad as hell	[02:04]
Duffer1	ken slaughter won't end it so they can start to grieve properly, he keeps stringing them along	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty epic tho, the neobee bag holders and the actm bag holders gathering together in one nuclear blast of sheer rage	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	this officially beats the "bitbet followed its faq how dares it!!11" thing	[02:06]
pankkake	many people in common… which is kinda strange, they still had coins, and still investemed them?!	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	pankkake well considering how much effort they put into "outing" imaginary shills, socks etc,	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	and all the nonsense about autorite de la concurrence	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	i would imagine they're just butthurt at what they imagine is unfair competition. ie, they were shilling for a bunch of scams, the scams went nowhere.	[02:08]
pankkake	and they ignored the stuff I found about ken's past get rich quick businesses :(	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	you must have been doing the same thing, they figure, and also for some scams (they figure, cause nothing else exists in the world)	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	consequently, you... um... you took their jerbs	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	so no, they never invested anything. they had hopes of being paid by the scammors. which they're not getting.	[02:09]
Duffer1	i think stuart is a genuine bagholder, i think minerpart is one of the slaughter family, i think that coindesk guy is a scammer	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	you may be right.	[02:10]
CheckDavid	I don't understand scamming	[02:10]
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CheckDavid	Such a waste of talent	[02:10]
CheckDavid	Or time	[02:10]
CheckDavid	In case of talentless scammers	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid people that have a problem with authority usually end up toiling on their own.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	there's some discussion of the scammer as a tragic figure in the logs but i'm kinda too lazy to hunt for it.	[02:11]
CheckDavid	I see. As in a profile?	[02:11]
CheckDavid	You were profiling the a average scammer?	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	sort-of	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	pankkake what i don't understand of all this is... why do you pm with these dorks ?	[02:12]
pankkake	they PM me	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[02:12]
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pankkake	I finally stopped caring and they suck me back in :(	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` why is your forum avatar so angry ?	[02:13]
pankkake	fuck that shit!	[02:13]
Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5992419#msg5992419	[02:13]
ozbot	Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'	[02:13]
Duffer1	lmao	[02:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2}	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	davout wait wait WAIT! they actually used a pic of gainsbourg as part of doxxing one of you two ?!	[02:14]
pankkake	no	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	aww pity.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	something like this'd kick ass.	[02:15]
pankkake	they didn't even link the openbsd poster with you	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	especially if it were someone obscenely famous, dali, warhol...	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	we could have a super secret super club, like the mile high club, except more nerdy. "people who have been made famous by misdoxxing"	[02:16]
CryptX	!ticker h peta	[02:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.06050000 / 0.06346524 / 0.06994775 (254 shares, 16.12017208 BTC), 7D: 0.05950000 / 0.06851882 / 0.07499085 (2012 shares, 137.85986461 BTC), 30D: 0.05950000 / 0.07277824 / 0.11379998 (7599 shares, 553.04185941 BTC)	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 by the way, this reminds me, what happened wit the firefox bitbet plugin ?	[02:18]
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mircea_popescu	21:00:33 pankkake: just hope they don't crawl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	not only crawled man full downloaded by me and given to police next days!	[02:19]
benkay	openbsd poster?	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	o look. les flics gotta read 98794387593725 mp lines now.	[02:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62000001 BTC [-]	[02:20]
benkay	pankkake: poster?	[02:21]
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mwashaka	whats looking better, AM or PETA?	[02:22]
pankkake	in a posted pic… maybe it was removed (hopefully)	[02:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00644994 = 0.3612 BTC [+] {4}	[02:22]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: and the quote is out of context :( it was about domain bots	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i expected no less.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	mwashaka remind me, what's peta do ?	[02:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00646347 = 0.2973 BTC [+] {5}	[02:23]
mwashaka	mining op	[02:24]
mwashaka	run by CryptX	[02:24]
mwashaka	Peta-Mine	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	;;rated cryptx	[02:24]
Duffer1	is there !bash for bitcointalk?	[02:24]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/retained-cto-first-public-commission-other-statements/#comment-93626	[02:24]
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mircea_popescu	now i broke gribble ;/	[02:24]
nubbins`	it's because nobody's ponying up their fuckin taxes	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	lawl	[02:25]
nubbins`	granted, the game ended up being called eulora, so i guess it's moot anyway	[02:25]
nubbins`	man, that stuart guy is really unpleasant	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	mwashaka so they say they bought some bitfury chips and sorta-kinda pay out about 50% of whatever "investors" invest	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280570.msg3060507#msg3060507 that post controls.	[02:27]
ozbot	[BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	am is dubious at this point, but at least it has an actual history.	[02:28]
mwashaka	ahhh that was the old mine	[02:28]
mwashaka	it has been redone since	[02:28]
mwashaka	hashing at 150TH/s now	[02:28]
mwashaka	have orders for a further 600 TH/s	[02:28]
mwashaka	it looks good	[02:28]
mwashaka	b	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	kinda besides the point. a history of not respecting contracts isn't washed away by adding more numbers.	[02:29]
mwashaka	but im not really in with AsicMiner, but it seems good what they are doing	[02:29]
mwashaka	ahh	[02:29]
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mwashaka	are you saying CryptX has a history of not delivering?	[02:29]
nubbins`	ah, i forgot about those guys	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	mwashaka it'	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	s just another one instance of the scammy forum asset.	[02:30]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280570.msg3063649#msg3063649	[02:30]
ozbot	[BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	for as long as btc inflows stay net positive it'll be ok im sure.	[02:30]
nubbins`	heh	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` shocking how that 50% thing works innit.	[02:31]
nubbins`	like sticking your peepee in a light socket	[02:31]
mwashaka	thanks both, this is a great insight	[02:32]
mwashaka	think i will lean towards AsicMiner until they are more transparent, as that is my current issue with them	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	now, as far as asicminer goes, it's been a great asset so far, however, it's not without its problems	[02:32]
nubbins`	!t h peta	[02:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.06050000 / 0.06346524 / 0.06994775 (254 shares, 16.12017208 BTC), 7D: 0.05950000 / 0.06851882 / 0.07499085 (2012 shares, 137.85986461 BTC), 30D: 0.05950000 / 0.07274519 / 0.11379998 (7592 shares, 552.28145936 BTC)	[02:32]
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mircea_popescu	so do your reading etc.	[02:32]
mwashaka	i will do, thank you both, its much appreciated	[02:33]
mwashaka	mircea, are you MPOE-PR on BTT?	[02:33]
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mircea_popescu	no, mpoe-pr is my pr chick	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	it says so right in her sig you know ?	[02:34]
mwashaka	nope, just somthing hit me, thought for a split second you were the same person	[02:34]
mwashaka	shes a bitch, but she knows her shit :)	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	kinda the hiring criteria.	[02:34]
mwashaka	i like	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	anyway. never trust a self-moderated thread.	[02:35]
nubbins`	^	[02:35]
nubbins`	never trust a computer	[02:35]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdkl7mkleuE	[02:36]
ozbot	MONSTERBATOR ~ Never Trust a Computer - YouTube	[02:36]
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turbo_ac100	mircea_popescu: forgot about the plugin.	[02:44]
turbo_ac100	It should look like this: http://pastebin.com/73urimLq	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	o its like a bookmarklet or w/e they're called ?	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool	[02:45]
turbo_ac100	see here http://mycroftproject.com/submitos.html	[02:45]
pankkake	OpenSearch?	[02:45]
turbo_ac100	yes	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	you gonna dump your refling into the results ?	[02:45]
turbo_ac100	not yet. good idea though	[02:46]
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turbo_ac100	kakobrekla: you are developing bibet? If you want to go wild add suggestions to the search.	[02:53]
turbo_ac100	reason: "This is currently only supported by a few of the largest websites. An example of a working value is: http://suggestqueries.google.com/complete/search?output=firefox&client=firefox&hl=en&q={searchTerms}"	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	o that's interesting	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	so it needs a suggestqueries subdomain and what, json output ? or ?	[02:56]
turbo_ac100	doesn't say.	[02:56]
turbo_ac100	response body is json http://www.opensearch.org/Specifications/OpenSearch/Extensions/Suggestions/1.0	[02:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5262 @ 0.00093908 = 4.9414 BTC [-]	[03:00]
kakobrekla	http://shreyaschand.com/blog/2013/01/03/google-autocomplete-api/	[03:00]
ozbot	Google Autocomplete "API" \| Shreyas Chand	[03:00]
kakobrekla	this is not aware of context	[03:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00094064 = 20.0356 BTC [+] {2}	[03:02]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21qvlj/havelock_investments_halts_neo_bee_fund_trading/cgfrvfz	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	funny how nobody has no connections to anything ever.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	all this forum shit starts with a lot of support that on examination consists of wtf.	[03:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00094301 = 9.2415 BTC [+]	[03:13]
nubbins`	ah, to be a fly on the wall	[03:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8698 @ 0.00093905 = 8.1679 BTC [-]	[03:15]
jurov	oooh our next generation emerging scamchange owner dotcoin aka markus weiler got into some mudfights?	[03:17]
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nubbins`	yeah, apparently i've been advised to figure out who the guy's lawyer is and present myself to him	[03:18]
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jurov	you knew he added securities to bitcoinbourse?	[03:18]
jurov	another "next mpex"	[03:18]
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jurov	it's behind registration, so for sake of record i'll list what he trades there:	[03:22]
jurov	Symbol: BBS Bitcoin Bourse System Shares	[03:22]
jurov	Investor Info: https://bitcoinbourse.eu/investor	[03:22]
jurov	Symbol: TBN The Bitcoin News Shares	[03:22]
jurov	Investor Info: http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/investor-relations/	[03:22]
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jurov	Symbol: BCS BitcoinCard® Shares	[03:23]
jurov	Investor Info: http://bitcointocard.com/BCS_IPO.pdf	[03:23]
jurov	Symbol: ___ Announcement 2 April 2014	[03:23]
jurov	Investor Info: http://#	[03:23]
jurov	that's all so far. No public trading data advertised or even graphs shown.	[03:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00093905 = 17.3724 BTC [-]	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin news shares ?	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	how does bitcoin news generate revenue	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25238 @ 0.00094152 = 23.7621 BTC [+]	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	;;google site:uspto.gov BitcoinCard	[03:30]
gribble	No matches found.	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	i guess nobody told 'em ® is not merely a good looking special glyph	[03:30]
pankkake	time to call the AntiTrust Brigade	[03:31]
pankkake	how does bitcoin news generate revenue => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkA9L2J2gY	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	yeah, i think bitbet made a whole btc out of advertising so far	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	over about a year.	[03:33]
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pankkake	also bitcoiners === likely to have adblock	[03:34]
pankkake	or lynx	[03:34]
nubbins`	or lawyers on speed dial	[03:35]
nubbins`	wait...	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	ha ha	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	i am behind 7 layers	[03:36]
jurov	judging from http://bitcoinsarl.fr/ , the ___ is gonna be cryptotu.be IPO	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	wait, the entire drama with pankkake and davout in the forums was simply some french dork's idea of how to launch yet another wannabe-mpex thing ?	[03:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00619799 = 0.2045 BTC [-] {5}	[03:37]
pankkake	german incorporated in france	[03:37]
jurov	mircea yes	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	pretty sad.	[03:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.00616322 = 0.8135 BTC [-] {7}	[03:38]
jurov	it's actually meta-wannabe thing, he seems very productive	[03:38]
kakobrekla	well as it turns out to be i havent managed to figure out who suggested to put up the wiki	[03:38]
kakobrekla	but here you go http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	where's that nubbins` quote ? "if their business was doing something pointless they'd be doing it very well"	[03:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 193 @ 0.0060783 = 1.1731 BTC [-] {4}	[03:39]
*	nubbins` gestures towards log	[03:39]
kakobrekla	please pm me to set up an account, must have WOT	[03:39]
nubbins`	ctrl-f, magazine	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	i cant find an "edit" button	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	a, i was gonna vandalize it ;/	[03:39]
nubbins`	not sure what this wiki is for	[03:40]
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mircea_popescu	me either.	[03:40]
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kakobrekla	http://piratepad.net/or1RSxpueo	[03:40]
ozbot	PiratePad: or1RSxpueo	[03:40]
kakobrekla	this goes there	[03:40]
kakobrekla	+-	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	maybe to give more avenues of haxxorage on b-a.com ?	[03:40]
kakobrekla	its all contained	[03:41]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hehe ok. but what's the idea, give me like an usecase for the wiki	[03:41]
kakobrekla	for when the newbies come and ask "can you give me reading material and not the log"	[03:42]
nubbins`	ah	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5993394#msg5993394 << see, now that's a paid troll on point and good at what he does. rapid, efficient, a wonder to behold. not like the rest of you bums	[03:42]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	what am i even paying you for!	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla a so it's not a bitbet thing	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	for some reason i was thinking that	[03:43]
kakobrekla	O_o	[03:43]
pankkake	maybe a collective Trilema TL;DR	[03:43]
nubbins`	you're paying me?! :0	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	yeah. TCTTLDR	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	The Collective Trilema Too Long Didn't Romprehend	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	course... it'd kinda put the various btcnews sites out of business, so i understand now what this is all about. you're all trying to sabotage bitcoinsarl, jarl and etc.	[03:45]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, as encouragement, i'll gift either 100k ATC or 0.1 BTC for the best article there.	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	winner's choice.	[03:46]
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jurov	hi dotcoin	[03:46]
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dotcoin	hi jurov	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	jurov you two know each other ?	[03:46]
dotcoin	why talking so bad about me	[03:46]
jurov	i§m his happy shareholder	[03:47]
dotcoin	yes we know i think	[03:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00094469 = 68.2539 BTC [+] {5}	[03:47]
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jurov	since before bitcoinbourse launch	[03:47]
dotcoin	yes happy shareholders not accuse the company of scam	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust dotcoin	[03:47]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dotcoin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dotcoin \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dotcoin \| Rated since: never	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	you seem to be having a bit of a problem there dotcoin.	[03:48]
dotcoin	do you think so	[03:48]
dotcoin	i think there are some other guys have much more problems than me	[03:48]
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dotcoin	so tell me guys where is the problem	[03:49]
nubbins`	hey	[03:49]
nubbins`	dotcoin! my friend!	[03:49]
nubbins`	your lawyer got in touch with me	[03:49]
nubbins`	i gave him all the info i had about pankkake	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin inasmuch as you're trying to start some sort of exchange with no experience and no web of trust presence...	[03:50]
dotcoin	i am not your friend nubbins nor i want your friend	[03:50]
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dotcoin	you think i have no experience? as you all guys runs many exchanges here i see	[03:50]
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dotcoin	or any other usefull stuff	[03:51]
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mircea_popescu	yes, we run teh bitcoin.	[03:51]
dotcoin	you run the bitcoin	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	how useful it is however... it's kinda debatable.	[03:51]
dotcoin	for one is more and for the other less	[03:52]
nubbins`	dotcoin we are not friends?	[03:52]
dotcoin	but classifieds this me or my company as a scammer	[03:52]
nubbins`	your lawyer was nice. you are not as nice as your lawyer.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	he has a lawyer ?!	[03:52]
dotcoin	nubbins stop talk to me please you are simple little trol not talking with you	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin ok but you have a lawyer /	[03:53]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5990995#msg5990995	[03:53]
nubbins`	says there he has a lawyer	[03:53]
dotcoin	i have a lawyer you too	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	what's his name ?	[03:53]
dotcoin	you can read when you in problems with me on the letter he will send you	[03:54]
Duffer1	hi dotcoin	[03:54]
nubbins`	how in the world is your lawyer going to send a letter to me :(	[03:54]
dotcoin	but what is now the problems here is there any serious discussion	[03:54]
dotcoin	or what is here on	[03:54]
dotcoin	why you troll companies in forums	[03:54]
nubbins`	dotcoin, what is your native language? (just curious)	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	... so do you have a lawyer or don't you.	[03:55]
jurov	dotcoin, you refused to say anything about what was doen with bitcoins from bourse IPO	[03:55]
dotcoin	pankkake	[03:55]
bounce	"pankkake" is a language now?	[03:55]
jurov	that's even less than several known scammers	[03:55]
jurov	so for me, your case is clear	[03:55]
nubbins`	pankkake is the language of love	[03:55]
nubbins`	aka body language	[03:55]
dotcoin	so what is the case jurov	[03:55]
kakobrekla	the bourse thingy was german iirc	[03:56]
dotcoin	the case is you are friend of martin and he is not happy to get out of bourse right?	[03:56]
dotcoin	what he told you this man	[03:56]
jurov	martin is irrelevant here	[03:56]
jurov	you raised hunders of BTC	[03:56]
jurov	and they are not heard of since	[03:57]
dotcoin	hundrets	[03:57]
jurov	*hundreds	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` linguistix specialist says probably dutch or german.	[03:57]
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nubbins`	ah	[03:57]
dotcoin	you even know how much we raised	[03:57]
nubbins`	don't panic, i'm only germanic	[03:57]
kanzure	i think i killed gribble :(	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	dotcoin: Why do you have a lawyer?	[03:57]
nubbins`	i don't think he has a lawyer	[03:58]
dotcoin	and if so what is the problem about a IPO is to raise money or not	[03:58]
jurov	wont gonna look it up, i know i am not getting answer anyway	[03:58]
dotcoin	so jurov tell me please what is your problem now	[03:58]
jurov	you are eliza	[03:58]
jurov	?	[03:58]
jurov	tell me about your parents?	[03:58]
dotcoin	eliza?	[03:59]
jurov	etc?	[03:59]
dotcoin	are you drunk	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	kanzure what did you do ?	[03:59]
jurov	i explained my problem clearly	[03:59]
jurov	last time: 1. you raised bitcoins	[03:59]
dotcoin	not real you tell me i rais hundrets of bitcoins and ?	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lawyers are like girlfriends, except better. everyone should have a few.	[04:00]
jurov	2. built crappy website but never disclosed how many of them were used in the process	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	https://github.com/dotcoin?tab=activity < da hell is this thing anyway ?	[04:00]
jurov	3. want moar	[04:00]
dotcoin	and you want to know where they are gone?	[04:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00094702 = 1.8893 BTC [+]	[04:00]
Juelcf	the new bourse website looks good and works good	[04:00]
dotcoin	what do you think where they are gone?	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin how about this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.0	[04:00]
Duffer1	MP i'm thinking french	[04:01]
dotcoin	do you think you create site like we have and without paying anything	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	apparently you issued stock, then did a forced buyback at a loss.	[04:01]
kakobrekla	spent them for dotcoin mansion	[04:01]
dotcoin	do you het it for free anywhere in the world?	[04:01]
jurov	i have to guess? blow and hookers?	[04:01]
Juelcf	You guys talk so much shit its amazing	[04:01]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2304 @ 0.00012063 = 0.2779 BTC [-] {8}	[04:01]
nubbins`	dotcoin: WOW, you did a forced buyback at a loss?	[04:01]
dotcoin	whaamazing company yes	[04:01]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:01]
dotcoin	show me a better one	[04:01]
nubbins`	Juelcf: hi	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin you have this strange comparison to the mean mentality.	[04:02]
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mircea_popescu	doesn't really matter what you perceive the average to be. the idea is to stand out at the top not to muddle around the middle.	[04:02]
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dotcoin	a so jurov i want to tell you what ever your friend martin lies to you is not the truth, and to accuse me for scam in this case in forums is not the best way to hear the other site of this story between martin and me, you are shareholder you try now to accuse me of scam so what i have think about that? do you think is a productive way for your shares? more than i not scam any	[04:04]
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nubbins`_	who's martin?	[04:05]
jurov	i want numbers, not story	[04:05]
dotcoin	i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	so what is your name ?	[04:05]
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nubbins`_	i think his real name is Dot Coin	[04:05]
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dotcoin	all of you guys can meet me if you wan and we can discuss	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	isn't that patented by some fatass in new zealand ?	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	dotcoin yes, we can. so what's your name ?	[04:05]
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nubbins`_	not exactly but you can still be prosecuted under the Analogue Act	[04:06]
jurov	nubbins`_: martin is our mutual acquaintance that was supposed to be cofounder of bitcoin bourse and helped me to decide to invest there	[04:06]
BingoBoingo	;;ident dotcoin	[04:06]
jurov	later martin quit	[04:06]
nubbins`_	ah	[04:06]
dotcoin	cofounder of bitcoin bourse hahaha	[04:06]
nubbins`_	sort of like thickasthieves and neobee?	[04:06]
gribble	Nick 'dotcoin', with hostmask 'dotcoin!5d10ab35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.16.171.53', is not identified.	[04:06]
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dotcoin	martin quit hahaha	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	jurov would this be foresnick or some other guy ?	[04:06]
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jurov	yes forensick	[04:06]
dotcoin	sorry man you are full wrong informed	[04:06]
Duffer1	Markus Weiler?	[04:06]
dotcoin	yes is the forensick guy	[04:07]
dotcoin	yes Markus Weiler	[04:07]
mike_c_s	this cost money? https://bitcoinbourse.eu/	[04:07]
dotcoin	and you Duffer 1?	[04:07]
jurov	and who are you then?	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 well we don't know. guy has a lawyer he can't name and doesn't hide behind nicks but can't introduce himself.	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	a bit of a conundrum so far.	[04:07]
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jurov	forensick is martin belobrat and YOU are markus weiler	[04:07]
nubbins`_	mike_c that website looks like it cost about $5 to make	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	mike_c not everyone has python developers at their beak and call.	[04:07]
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mike_c	apparently	[04:07]
nubbins`_	ah	[04:07]
nubbins`_	Markus Weiler!	[04:08]
dotcoin	yes ok now all people can call me Markus Weiler if you are more happy with that	[04:08]
dotcoin	Mr for some of you huys	[04:08]
nubbins`_	heh	[04:08]
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dotcoin	specialy for the trolls without name	[04:08]
kakobrekla	;;google Markus Weiler	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	ok, so you're markus weiler and you try to run bitcoinbourse.	[04:08]
peterl	"i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member" says a guy named "dotcoin"?	[04:08]
kakobrekla	no gribble :	[04:08]
gribble	Prof. Dr. Markus Weiler — Professur für Hydrologie: ; Markus Weiler - Google Scholar Citations: ; mweiler (Markus Weiler) on deviantART:	[04:08]
jurov	^ typical communication style. no help there	[04:08]
jurov	goodnight	[04:08]
kakobrekla	a there you are	[04:08]
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kakobrekla	dr?	[04:08]
kakobrekla	nah	[04:08]
dotcoin	so what now jurov	[04:08]
kakobrekla	must be wrong guy	[04:09]
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nubbins`_	^	[04:09]
Duffer1	dotcoin I was just reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.msg4729286#msg4729286 wasn't sure if that was your name or not. Call me Matt :)	[04:09]
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nubbins`_	Call me on my birthday	[04:09]
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mircea_popescu	dotcoin so now we get to the part where you issued a stock on cryptostocks and then did a forced buyback for a lower price.	[04:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00094769 = 4.7858 BTC [+]	[04:09]
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nubbins`_	oh my god, Markus Weiler did a forced buyback of stock?	[04:10]
dotcoin	make a force back i think was for 1 share so can be yes	[04:10]
nubbins`_	at a lower price?!	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin it's in the link above. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014#594053	[04:10]
Duffer1	who was running the pass through?	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	please let it be usagi ?	[04:11]
dotcoin	if this one user have a loss will pay him if contact me, ask now why make a force back buy, tell you martin the friend of jurov told me we must sell shares there, as we not have need, this i stop trading on cryptostocks that was simple and not any to to i rip of a guy of 0.0005 btc	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	can you write that out again but in your native language ?	[04:11]
nubbins`_	en francais svp!	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	it made no sense in english ; i can probably read it in whatever it is you speak.	[04:12]
dotcoin	i am not francais man i am german and i am sure nobody of you guys speak german	[04:12]
nubbins`_	in deutsche bitte!	[04:12]
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dotcoin	Fuer dich gerne in deutsch	[04:12]
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dotcoin	stell deine frage in deutsch	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	ja, Deutsch wird hier gesprochen	[04:13]
bounce	eutelsat netblock. talk about being out in the boonies.	[04:13]
dotcoin	ja na dann mal los	[04:13]
nubbins`_	danke, ihr englisch ist schwer zu verstehen ;(	[04:13]
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dotcoin	genau wie ihr deutsch	[04:13]
benkay	http://i.imgur.com/nAgQ7.jpg	[04:13]
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jurov	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347347.0 here you said you are markus weiler	[04:14]
ozbot	Bitcoin SARL Infoletter 26/11/13	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	benkay fuck, she beats my redheads	[04:14]
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dotcoin	yes jurov still i am	[04:14]
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nubbins`_	sea salt & black pepper on popcorn? sigh	[04:14]
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Duffer1	i'd eat that	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`_ and lymph	[04:15]
Duffer1	Ich würde das essen	[04:15]
benkay	i'll let you know when i find the moose sausage popcorn, nubbins`	[04:15]
benkay	let's keep this one in reserve for when the SEC gets you, mircea_popescu http://destroyed-and-abandoned.tumblr.com/image/81101546098	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	so dramatique	[04:18]
Duffer1	has there been any followup to that?	[04:18]
dotcoin	ok jurov i guess if you have any questions about anything, you have my email and i am sure you aware of daily newsletters	[04:18]
kakobrekla	lel	[04:18]
kakobrekla	you didnt give any answers dotcoin	[04:19]
kakobrekla	now im curioal.	[04:19]
dotcoin	i give not answers about what kakobrekla	[04:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.00602001 = 0.6742 BTC [-] {2}	[04:19]
Juelcf	i would like to know also what the fuck is going on here	[04:19]
dotcoin	i answer and some people want talk with me german so what now	[04:20]
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kakobrekla	you were asked to type what you typed in german	[04:20]
kakobrekla	so do it	[04:20]
Duffer1	hi Juelcf	[04:20]
dotcoin	google translate i not want wast more time	[04:20]
Juelcf	Hi	[04:20]
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kakobrekla	like talking to a can of worms.	[04:21]
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dotcoin	serious people here can join our newsletter than they will informed http://thebictoinnews.co.uk and people with problems or questions can contact me by email contact@bitcoinsarl.fr	[04:21]
Duffer1	are you not entertained	[04:21]
Duffer1	.fr?	[04:22]
Duffer1	nm	[04:22]
dotcoin	n8	[04:24]
kakobrekla	anyway i tried google trasnlate eng -> eng and it doesnt fix your garbage	[04:24]
kakobrekla	also brb	[04:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00094708 = 6.2034 BTC [-]	[04:26]
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nubbins`_	mircea_popescu: sea salt, black pepper, and lymph on popcorn?!	[04:27]
Juelcf	whats the deal with dotcoin? why was everyone trolling?	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	Juelcf who exactly was trolling ? and who exactly are you ?	[04:28]
benkay	not really trolling. dotcoin's being evasive and the channel kinda got pissed.	[04:28]
Duffer1	the engrish doesn't help either	[04:28]
Juelcf	mircea_popescu, just asking	[04:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24562 @ 0.00094807 = 23.2865 BTC [+] {2}	[04:28]
Duffer1	no offense	[04:28]
nubbins`_	obv a machine translation job	[04:29]
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Duffer1	juelcf it started with pankkake calling foul on a couple of dubious offerings by dotcoin	[04:30]
Duffer1	then came to a head today as dotcoin threatened to sue pankkake	[04:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05683845 = 0.7389 BTC [-] {4}	[04:30]
bounce	well, maybe we need a virtual courts of teh intarwebz, where you can sue WoT usernames and such.	[04:31]
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bounce	s/ a //	[04:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05699999 = 0.228 BTC [+] {3}	[04:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0459 = 0.3672 BTC [-]	[04:32]
peterl	didnt they have a Rota for that sort of thing?	[04:33]
nubbins`_	heh	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	I suppose a good rule of thumb for any court would be that parties wanting redress from Pankkake are prolly in the wrong	[04:33]
nubbins`_	peterl it got too real too quick	[04:33]
peterl	what is the use of such a thing if it is not real?	[04:33]
nubbins`_	no use	[04:33]
nubbins`_	fun fact, ROTA was an acronym for Rand of the Ayn	[04:35]
bounce	no idea what that is and it already smells like WTMI	[04:36]
nubbins`_	;;ud wtmi	[04:36]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wtmi \| wtmi. Way to much information. Often used by women(and somethimes men) to pronounce that something is indeed gross or sickening and they dont want to ...	[04:36]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: wtmi	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	I thought ROTA was an acronym for Round, Oiled, Tense, Asses	[04:37]
nubbins`_	heh.	[04:37]
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nubbins`_	too many commas, otherwise ok	[04:37]
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cazalla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5993297#msg5993297	[04:39]
nubbins`	1-855-one-bitcoin	[04:39]
nubbins`	or, if you're in a rush, 1-855-one-bitc	[04:39]
nubbins`	lelelel	[04:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21844 @ 0.00094708 = 20.688 BTC [-]	[04:40]
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cazalla	"Lol, wrapped some cardboard boxes in inkjet-printed labels, and took a pic of one HF board? Awesome." top kek	[04:42]
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nubbins`	"let's use a cell phone camera for the photos for our big announcement"	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	it's a slow drama day, so let's lol at people. http://trilema.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/	[04:43]
nubbins`	fuck-the-cops.biz!	[04:44]
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mircea_popescu	bounce we had something like that, as peterl points out. it failed miserably. http://trilema.com/rota-post-mortem	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	and it wasn't no acronim	[04:45]
asciilifeform	in other news, my site (should anyone give a damn) is back.	[04:45]
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mircea_popescu	;;google tribunal apostolicum rotae romanae	[04:45]
gribble	Roman Rota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Rota Background - CanonLaw.info: ; Addresses of courts - Arcibiskupství pražské:	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ghetto huh.	[04:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4702 @ 0.00094823 = 4.4586 BTC [+]	[04:47]
nubbins`	who knows, maybe they couldn't afford a $99 samsung point-and-shoot because they spent every last dime on legitimate businessy things	[04:47]
peterl	Some cell phones these days have very nice cameras	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	http/hashfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Yoli-Evo-board_FINAL-white-WEB-e1392926017925.png	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	this shit looks quite aesthetically pleasing	[04:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: cut&paste in cad proggy will do that. symmetric.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	also the central thing.	[04:49]
asciilifeform	that multi-die beast looks like a thermal nightmare though	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	it does yeah	[04:49]
asciilifeform	why cram them in one?	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	imo it's horrid design, you'd have wanted the 4 separated towards corners or something	[04:50]
asciilifeform	is the author here?	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	but forget the sanity. it pleaseth my eye	[04:50]
asciilifeform	ok i think i get it!	[04:50]
asciilifeform	look at the 'octopus'	[04:50]
asciilifeform	it's designed to fit an intel heat sink.	[04:50]
asciilifeform	hence the quad die.	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	like a girl on 7 inchers. you know she's in pain and likely can't run... but damn that ass.	[04:50]
asciilifeform	it wants to have the same mechanicals as a 'xeon'	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	oh	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	who knows, that may work cheaper	[04:51]
asciilifeform	cheaper than having your own heat sinks cast, yes	[04:51]
asciilifeform	esp. if you like hydraulic strange	[04:51]
asciilifeform	the 6-pin molexes are probably intel's 'p4' too.	[04:52]
kakobrekla	these are apparently water cooled as well	[04:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11930 @ 0.00094906 = 11.3223 BTC [+] {2}	[04:55]
pankkake	I can take better pics of my Data Center: https://unsee.cc/beziru/	[04:58]
asciilifeform	whatever happened to those folks who sold a $3k (usd) pc chassis-cum-heatsink of solid copper, weighing as much as a man ?	[04:59]
asciilifeform	'zalman' i think it was.	[04:59]
pankkake	I'm not sure they actually sold it	[05:00]
nubbins`	seems to me like if you remove the per-case judge payment and stick to the yearly sum, the rota would involve a whole lot less QQing	[05:00]
asciilifeform	shame. i have this ancient crackpot dream of being rid of pc fans.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` wouldn't have had any impact in the matter that sunk it	[05:02]
pankkake	there are some passive heatsinks though	[05:02]
pankkake	huge aluminum stuff - but they tell you to have case fans though	[05:02]
asciilifeform	pankkake: show a 100% passive cooled machine that isn't a toy	[05:02]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu well pretty hard to buy off judges if the judges don't get paid any extra for taking the case	[05:02]
pankkake	I guess you can do it if you underclock	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ...	[05:02]
nubbins`	unless i'm missing something	[05:03]
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pankkake	I solved the fan issue by putting the machines in another room than the one I'm in	[05:03]
asciilifeform	pankkake: i'm about to rent a whole building instead of flat, partly so i can do just this	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	well you are. inasmuch the defendant passively receives X btc and is then required to return X+e, the entire thing is an extraction engine	[05:04]
pankkake	though the real annoyance always was the noise of hard drives	[05:04]
asciilifeform	but fans still suck in dirt, fail without warning, etc	[05:04]
pankkake	yeah, my GPU fan died, and those aren't easy to replace :(	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the correct solution to the fan problem is to use fanned tubes	[05:04]
nubbins`	what's "e", effort?	[05:05]
pankkake	back to the slower passive gpu, which at least still works	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	all fans in a tube can't fail at the same time	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` epsilon	[05:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: apple is selling, i think, a machine of just this shape. but, as you can probably guess, i'd rather not buy it.	[05:05]
pankkake	my case has filters, the case wasn't that dusty after months of operation	[05:05]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu: in the post mortem example, all i see is: mpex receives 100btc, mpex returns 100btc, mpex pays judges 3btc each	[05:06]
asciilifeform	http://bensbargains.net/thecheckout/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/mac-pro-cigar.jpg	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	i wonder why there doesn't exist some sort of magnetic heat extractor device!	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so what you mean is, make the cases costless ?	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	what prevents someone from suing everyone in sight if there's no cost to it ?	[05:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: magneto-hydrodynamic coolant pump ? one sees them in patents often, but for some reason never in pc.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i know.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	yet pc would seem one of the best applications	[05:07]
nubbins`	no cost to it? if you lose, it's a 10btc cost	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	...	[05:08]
dexX7	rota 2?	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	you gotta make up your mind nubbins`	[05:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ordinary 'heat pipe' works great, so long as you have a massive sink on the other side. heat pipe can be thought of as a refrigerator without a compressor.	[05:08]
nubbins`	i left out fees for brevity in my example	[05:09]
nubbins`	consider it suitably modified.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	so then mpex has to pay the fees if it loses ?	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	and it can lose without doing anything ?	[05:09]
nubbins`	it couldn't lose if it declined to participate	[05:10]
nubbins`	how else would you deal with a case you deemed frivolous?	[05:10]
nubbins`	throw 10btc at it and hope ya get it back?!	[05:11]
Duffer1	what's the incentive to defend yourself ever?	[05:11]
nubbins`	THERE ISN'T ONE	[05:11]
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mircea_popescu	then problem solved ?	[05:12]
Duffer1	hehe	[05:12]
nubbins`	well, if you look at it that way, the rota was a solution in search of a problem	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	it may be said.	[05:13]
nubbins`	suppose i call chetty a poopyhead and it turns out this damaged her reputation so badly that she lost a 100btc contract. she decides to sue me via rota, i decline.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	what can i tell you, i'm not mafalda. i figure things out as i go	[05:13]
nubbins`	now what? nothing	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` now you're a poopyhead	[05:13]
nubbins`	joke's on you, that doesn't damage my reputation	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	well not like it has to.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	whats this, taloncoin ?	[05:14]
nubbins`	i can't keep up with them, you tell me :D	[05:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8916 @ 0.0009492 = 8.4631 BTC [+]	[05:14]
nubbins`	anyway.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	im very surprised nobody made bitround yet	[05:14]
nubbins`	maybe the defendant doesn't have to pay a fee because we're not paying the judges per-case anymore	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	everyone with their head in a box, X-coin Y-coin blergh	[05:15]
nubbins`	bitbar	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	not paying the judges per case has a host of problems	[05:15]
nubbins`	toss a couple at me	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	such as judges no longer actually wish to judge. it becomes morel ike jury duty	[05:15]
nubbins`	workload would be the obvious one	[05:15]
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nubbins`	but hey, USA has a thousand magistrate judges for a reason	[05:16]
nubbins`	say a judge has to take 30 cases a year or w/e for his 30btc	[05:16]
nubbins`	he knows the workload involved when he signs up. once all judges are booked up, you have a backlog.	[05:17]
joecool	i had a case some years back that was delayed nearly 2 years because the judge assigned was waiting for his retirement request to finalize	[05:18]
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nubbins`	exactly so	[05:18]
MisterE	mornin	[05:19]
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nubbins`	anyway, you're arguing that salary doesn't work because pay-by-the-hour makes it seem like less of a chore	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` and how do you pay the 30 btc ?	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	and im merely arguing that since every top job out there pays a salary + bonuses, that model is unavoidable.	[05:24]
nubbins`	well, how were you planning to pay the 30btc?	[05:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16802 @ 0.0009498 = 15.9585 BTC [+] {2}	[05:24]
nubbins`	unavoidable pff, bitcoin is here to replace &c &c.	[05:25]
nubbins`	receiving btc IS a bonus.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	iffy.	[05:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3380 @ 0.00095028 = 3.2119 BTC [+]	[05:25]
nubbins`	anyway, unless that 30btc was supposed to come from the leftover 1btc of the losing party's money (30 cases per judge per year!), i can only imagine that you were privately funding the judges' salaries	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	and if you recall, the 10 btc - 3x3 = 1 leftover.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	30 cases a year pay for the 30.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	i was privately underwriting the risk that judges may not get 30 cases/year	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	that fat tail ended up costing a pretty penny, but hey.	[05:27]
nubbins`	so the plaintiff's 10btc fee is refundable to 9btc if he wins.	[05:28]
nubbins`	all the more reason to avoid frivolous claims, no?	[05:28]
nubbins`	if you buy a can of coke here, you pay eight cents recycling deposit. you bring the empty can back, you get five cents.	[05:29]
nubbins`	i can almost hear the gears turning from here... although it could just be the cat snoring ;(	[05:31]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` no dood. 2parties contribute 10 btc each. the winner gets his 10 btc back	[05:34]
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mircea_popescu	the loser's goes to judges and 1 btc left over.	[05:34]
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nubbins`	yeah, that didn't work tho	[05:34]
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mircea_popescu	sure. but the problem was hardly the incentive structure.	[05:35]
nubbins`	so you remove the defendant's fee, which solves the problem you identified where mpex gets bled dry, and you make 1btc of the plaintiff's fee non-refundable, which solves the payroll problem	[05:35]
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mircea_popescu	dude wtf.	[05:37]
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mircea_popescu	plaintif wins. gets 10 btc back. who pays the judges ?	[05:37]
nubbins`	no.	[05:37]
nubbins`	plaintiff wins, gets 9btc back.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	lol. plaintiff never wins ?	[05:37]
bocobit	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx1mryKqvT8	[05:37]
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nubbins`	you want the rota to solve your problems for you, it costs you 1btc.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	and who pays the judges ?	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	do they make 3 btc if defendant wins, and 0 if plaintiff wins ?	[05:38]
nubbins`	they don't make shit until their contract is up	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	that'll never work.	[05:39]
nubbins`	sure it will.	[05:39]
nubbins`	if defendant wins, he gets the 9btc.	[05:39]
nubbins`	the 1btc -- and nothing more -- always goes to the judge fund	[05:40]
MisterE	who picks judges and where they come from?	[05:40]
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mircea_popescu	MisterE was a self-nomination thing, originally. see the article	[05:40]
MisterE	sorry I came in late in the chat	[05:40]
nubbins`	if some asshole sends 100btc to mpex for no reason and wants to rota it, he pays 10btc, you pay 0btc.	[05:40]
nubbins`	1btc immediately goes to judges fund	[05:40]
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nubbins`	asshole wins: he gets 9btc refund. you win: you get 9btc payout.	[05:41]
nubbins`	now tell me if people would be bringing frivolous claims to a court set up like that.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	o.o	[05:41]
nubbins`	tell me if people wouldn't be encouraged to solve their own problems rather than whining to btc dad	[05:41]
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mircea_popescu	i think perhaps you may be optimising for a differen tproblem.	[05:41]
nubbins`	solving all of them at once, really	[05:41]
MisterE	bitcointalk is there the whiners are	[05:41]
nubbins`	i don't think there are any problems left ;D	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	cool. im off to bed.	[05:42]
nubbins`	nitey	[05:43]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay what do you mean ?	[16:33]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you're deluding yourself. whether there's a fee for participation or not, the defendant's risking something participating.	[16:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06270222 = 0.4389 BTC [+] {3}	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	so what's the neobee announcement ?	[16:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06270999 = 0.5017 BTC [+] {2}	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	the20year1 it's all a question of who do you want to deal with. to me, forum trust means exactly zero. to the forum, wel... they don't even know whjat the wot is, they're barely discovering chan logs these days.	[16:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06270998 = 0.3763 BTC [-]	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	and before you make the kneejerk decision that you'd rather go where the people are, let me remind you that this is bitcoin, and that nonsense already took you to bf once, and then to havelock.	[16:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34922 @ 0.00095347 = 33.2971 BTC [-]	[17:00]
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mike_c	kakobrekla: thanks, spam cleansed.	[17:03]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins`: i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust. < it's awful really, more likely to diminish the trust of the rater than to improve that of the rate'ed.	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	agreed	[17:04]
ThickAsThieves	the borrow 1btc for a week thing is silly	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla it's how you manage muppets, a la bitcointalk forum crowd.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well, it rules out dank.	[17:05]
ThickAsThieves	it opens up those lenders to be targets too	[17:05]
artifexd	What is "dank"?	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	generally the corollary of freedom is that well... you gotta stay vigilant. which explains why freedom is so deeply umpopular.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	artifexd o you missed a lot of fun.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014#592703	[17:06]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	hm, bitcoinpete's adventure is quite important : everyone with a WoT account : make sure you turn enforce on with nickserv.	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	otherwise you're just contributing tools to scammers.	[17:08]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo this should actually be in your manual. it's an absolute imperative, you can	[17:08]
wywialm	and what is a good way of building trust then?	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	't have wot accts w/o enforce.	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	wywialm if you idle here and read, good ways present themselves.	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	often someone needs something done or there's an idea you can help with etc.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	you know, just like in any society.	[17:09]
artifexd	I was here. Lurking. Watching it live. I just stayed silent because I had nothing useful to add. I did miss the "dank bank" comment.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	jayk can't believe asshole teacher had the guts to x that answer.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	artifexd i know about you. i was talking to him tho :p	[17:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095334 = 15.6348 BTC [-] {3}	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/31/us-eurozone-inflation-idUSBREA2U0F320140331	[17:10]
ozbot	Euro zone inflation drops to lowest since 2009	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	check out how well europe is doing :D	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha	[17:10]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'll address this deficiency	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	so putin threatens to fuck them up with the energy, quickly the propaganda brigade is out there with preparatory statements	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	"oh, it may be the case everything will be more expensive in the future, perhaps, BUT!! don't worry about it, you read last month all about how low inflation is!"	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/TRJRSgf.jpg << ahaha this is beyond cute.	[17:12]
VanCleef	speaking of media propaganda the funnest ones i seen was yesterday or the day before, but all american media groups were saying putin called obama about ukraine because putin is weak and looking for an exit	[17:12]
VanCleef	was like wtf?	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	terribly weak, i bet. didn't they pretty much take over and end of story ?	[17:13]
ThickAsThieves	how do you enable 'enforce' of nicks? i'm registered in nickserv, is that how?	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	joecool now that's pretty cool! i had forgotten all about ;;events	[17:15]
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artifexd	/msg nickserv set enforce on	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	lol he just missed his reg window	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	thanks!	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	wb.	[17:16]
Mats_cd03	balls	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[17:16]
Mats_cd03	i need wot rating to edit the wiki :(	[17:16]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 459.5, Best ask: 462.04, Bid-ask spread: 2.54000, Last trade: 462.04, 24 hour volume: 32552.45101504, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 486.7, 24 hour vwap: 452.77957586	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 ask kakobrekla	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	didnt mp rate you?	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	i did ?	[17:16]
Mats_cd03	no	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	oh it was mattc	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	mikec	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	bleh	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	nickserv enforce does what exactly, forces you to ident with nickserv on login?	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	within 30 seconds	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	cool	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify .	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	like that.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay it was btctc if memory serves.	[17:19]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	"The euro zone is far from the deflation that Japan suffered from the early 1990s"	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	deflation is suffering?	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	i guess it would affect debtors	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell antephialtic the sort of people who take their information from btctalk and etc are better off not investing in btc stocks yet anyway.	[17:21]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you recall the minimal theft argument ?	[17:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: theft 'hormesis' ?	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	i do not	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	aite lemme find it	[17:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	i can however see how an institutionally inflationary economy going deflationary could be painful	[17:22]
mike_c	well, the biggest debtor in the land is the govt. they aren't going to let things get deflationary.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571177	[17:24]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	ok i remember now	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	so now, a cogent argument can be brought that japan was wrecked by its deflation years.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	they survived ww2 and hiroshima as a traditional society.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	all that is gone now. the reason ?	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	well japanese kids didn't start raping their mothers	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	but they did stop having sex altogether.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	in the end the effect is the same. japan as you know it is about as relevant to world affairs as the hitite empire.	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if their penises will evolve to clits over time if it keeps up	[17:26]
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mike_c	japan gets first crack at karpeles, that's gotta be worth something.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	they won't make it. just be replaced with some sort of short stocky chinese.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	i really dislike that type, too. and especially their women.	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	o look, the breakfast pancake is now moving around on two olives!	[17:27]
asciilifeform	they could always grow another yukio mishima, this time with a brain, and go productively geopolitically apeshit	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mishima had a brain imo.	[17:27]
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mircea_popescu	they didn't have teh... i dunno how to call it, the endometrium say.	[17:28]
asciilifeform	now this is probably true. sort of how limonov could not have possibly succeeded	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	right. a man is a zygote,	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	society around him needs to support la revolucion or else... no revolucion.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	note how well guevara did in chad or w/e	[17:29]
asciilifeform	even the fellow mishima put in charge as 'kaisyaku' failed to do the job (cleanly chop off his head)	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	and i assure you had mishima had a better candidate available, he'd have picked that one.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	you know ?	[17:29]
asciilifeform	'can't mold bullet from shit'	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	re limonov : http://russiapedia.rt.com/files/prominent-russians/politics-and-society/eduard-limonov/eduard-limonov_16-t.jpg	[17:30]
VanCleef	what if you freeze it?	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't one be worried once his tits are better than the girl's ?	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef and you shoot it with a freezefull explosion ?	[17:31]
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VanCleef	geez that would be horrible, shitting in a bullet type casing and freezing it and then firing it into someone	[17:31]
asciilifeform	VanCleef: frozen bullet never worked - because 'pv = nrt'	[17:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06103288 = 0.1221 BTC [-]	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	friction melts it.	[17:31]
asciilifeform	not the friction. the gas compression in front of it.	[17:31]
VanCleef	let a man dream damn it	[17:32]
asciilifeform	same as for re-entry from orbit	[17:32]
Mats_cd03	id poo in a shell for you	[17:32]
asciilifeform	or your refrigerator	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	also that.	[17:32]
VanCleef	i was at a party and shat in someones bong once	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	:/	[17:32]
novusordo	cover the shit with a layer of epoxy	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	epoxy in a bong ?!	[17:33]
novusordo	i was still talking about the bullet	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591285	[17:33]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[17:33]
Mats_cd03	wtf?	[17:33]
asciilifeform	soviet tale - one drunken idiot tells another, 'i was at this party, and this guy must've been a serious contraband hero, he's loaded - i stumbled around, looking for the throne, and found a little bathroom with golden toilet!' - other: 'fucktard, so it was you who took a shit in the saxophone!'	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	kik	[17:34]
VanCleef	lol	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	contraband hero huh ? like guitar hero, except the 80s	[17:34]
asciilifeform	(translation mine)	[17:34]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate)	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	dirt_ it's really not weird at all. exactly by the book how these things unfold.	[17:37]
chetty	http://bigstory.ap.org/article/global-warming-dials-our-risks-un-report-says	[17:38]
ozbot	Global warming dials up our risks, UN report says	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	chetty you know how this global warming soup sounds to me ? like since the 90s govt was hoping for an alien invasion to blame everything on, and by now they've finally decided that's not happening so going with plan b	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	i guess it's better than plan c, "the daisies did it, man!"	[17:39]
chetty	yeah - a bit confusing how they manage that with no warming the last 15 or so years	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	that's why they didn't go ahead and pretend it was the aliens.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	Temperature : 44 C/ 111 F (Normal) Temperature Sensor Status : Normal	[17:41]
asciilifeform	it won't surprise me to see 'international komyoonity' airstrikes on uppity third-worlders who won't play ball and deindustrialize. 'punishment for pollution'.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	see ? 44 c is now "normal" :D	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's not happening.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	there's no "international community" any more than the bitcointalk folks are "the bitcoin community"	[17:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06402546 = 0.3201 BTC [+]	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	all that bullshit died in syria.	[17:42]
asciilifeform	the arsonist who torched syria has a box full of matches left.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	not really.	[17:43]
asciilifeform	they might be a little wet. but i'd be surprised if he doesn't try everything potentially flammable to see what can be burned next.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	the way this game works is you get one new match once you successfully use the previous.	[17:44]
chetty	I'm sure they will keep trying	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	trying doesn't even count in dating	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	what, world politics ? forget it.	[17:44]
asciilifeform	if this were so, it would've ended with vietnam.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	it had ended with vietnam.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	but then cccp collapsed and the us figured its ww2 v2.0	[17:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00584171 = 0.2512 BTC [+]	[17:45]
asciilifeform	http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html	[17:46]
ozbot	History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	should the recent steps in china's attempts to democratize and capitalize (ie, the opening of bank deposits to risk) explode badly and end china, then the us may figure hey, v3.0!	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	this is possible, but perhaps improbable.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform note the prominent absence of stuff 75-90	[17:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0612 = 0.306 BTC [-]	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5993297#msg5993297	[17:52]
ozbot	[ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	did they find the real pankkake yet ?	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	they cant afford to	[17:53]
pankkake	this is so sad… the few shareholders that still had a brain are all over it	[17:53]
pankkake	not even asking how much it cost	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	whoa check this shit out : Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #wDqzUbLiYxa3zutm	[17:54]
Duffer1	turns out the slaughters are proudly reselling hashfast boards/chips as fast hash mining gear	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00583943 = 0.4321 BTC [-] {2}	[17:54]
pankkake	it almost seems like it was paid by the ukyo shares	[17:54]
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pankkake	and they will likely forget the claims of lost coins on mtgox	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 325 @ 0.00583369 = 1.8959 BTC [-]	[17:55]
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pankkake	there are multiple reports of refunds by check (and only that way) with misspellings and missing signatures	[17:55]
pankkake	seriously…	[17:55]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[17:55]
Neil	Geez. I've written the beginnings of a bitcoin network node. It downloads and validates all 293400 block headers in 16.544 seconds.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	;;seen cedivad	[17:56]
Neil	Not the block bodies, of course.	[17:56]
gribble	cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: Mats_cd03: lol; +1	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell cedivad is that you with bitcointa.lk ?	[17:56]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	Neil that's pretty good.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	afaik benkay never got that far :D	[17:56]
Neil	mircea_popescu: Yeah; was initially connecting to a US node; it took 2 minutes. Looked up a Japan node and it just screams.	[17:57]
Duffer1	they botched their own board dev, scrapped their own 48/55/28nm projects, lost 500 coins on gox, outright stole (and admitted to stealing) shares from at least two shareholders, and lied about everything so far	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 sounds like a solid AAAA+ bitcoin corp	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	not like those fly-by-night ventures.	[17:57]
Duffer1	amazing company!	[17:57]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[17:57]
Neil	It's a little over 23 MB of data I think	[17:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00095166 = 20.4607 BTC [-] {2}	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway, mpoe-pr is moving to bitcointa.lk	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/31/authors-jarring-claim-the-stock-market-is-rigged/	[17:58]
ozbot	Author’s Jarring Claim: The Stock Market Is ‘Rigged’ \| Video \| TheBlaze.com	[17:58]
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VanCleef	why doesn't hshe hang out on irc?	[18:01]
VanCleef	make it less of a sausage party	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	to do what ?	[18:02]
pankkake	.lk lets you "follow" users. cool	[18:03]
pankkake	just need a way to import my watchlist now	[18:03]
VanCleef	a. make it less of a sausage party b. provide some insight on bitcoin securities in real time	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i seriously suggest everyone move.	[18:03]
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mircea_popescu	thermos & co flea circus needs to end.	[18:03]
VanCleef	agreed	[18:03]
VanCleef	i hate thermos	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef she's not better informed than i am you know. she'd just say, "what mp said" all the time.	[18:04]
pankkake	a bunch of mods are scum too (sorry davout!)	[18:04]
VanCleef	fair enough	[18:04]
VanCleef	is she your gf?	[18:04]
pankkake	I'm still thinking of doing a 4chan-for-bitcoin but I have other better things to do!	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	up until yest we had this gentleman agreement of sorts that they don't delete the girl's posts and i look the other way on the endless stupid shit they did.	[18:04]
pankkake	(or other worse things to do I can't avoid)	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	yesterday that line was broken, and with it... there goes.	[18:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.064025 = 0.1921 BTC [+]	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so do a 4chan, whaty	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	i ran a chan forever, you can have the backup	[18:05]
pankkake	there are some open source projects for that apparently	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	i meant data-wise	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	be nicely seeded with a bunch of good porn, not the shit ozpot spits out	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	maybe even write a proper .bait command.	[18:06]
pankkake	I still wonder how .bait works	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	pulls for tumblr i imagine	[18:06]
pankkake	yes, but I can't guess if it looks for tags or whatever, nor which	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	yea me either.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	;;rated cevidad	[18:07]
gribble	You have not yet rated user cevidad	[18:07]
ThickAsThieves	.bait	[18:07]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zbzufxWF1r91jyuo1_1280.jpg	[18:07]
pankkake	anyway, I just wonder how it would turn out when there are no nicknames. maybe everyone will be accused of being MP	[18:07]
ThickAsThieves	some big brains on that girl	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so it'd be different from now how ?	[18:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9999 @ 0.00095149 = 9.5139 BTC [-]	[18:08]
pankkake	eheh :)	[18:08]
pankkake	by the way, romain put up some new pics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.40 (NSFW)	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, here's a fun story : the original pythagoreans all claimed all their discoveries were made by... pythagora.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	which was kinda funny seeing how the guy had been dead for a while.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	all through modernity this was recounted as a "look how monastically humble those folks were" sort of tale	[18:09]
pankkake	reminds me of the communist dictators	[18:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.00095139 = 7.8908 BTC [-] {3}	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	but looking at bitcointalk, im realising it may have been the converse : to your average monkey of 500bc, anyone with a brain probably looked like the sockpuppet of the one guy with a brain	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	so they just accused any greek mathematician of "being pythagora"	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	and it stuck.	[18:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19787 @ 0.00094997 = 18.7971 BTC [-] {2}	[18:10]
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ThickAsThieves	heh	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	anyone happen to know the way to look up a UK business license, ive done it before but now i cant recall how	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	;;google look up a UK business license	[18:13]
gribble	Licence Finder - GOV.UK: ; Get information about a company - GOV.UK: ; Companies House:	[18:13]
VanCleef	so obamacare website ws a complete fail today	[18:13]
*	mircea_popescu lords it over ThickAsThieves	[18:13]
VanCleef	http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/obamacare-deadline/obamacare-website-fails-deadline-arrives-n67666	[18:14]
ozbot	Obamacare Website Fails as Deadline Arrives - NBC News	[18:14]
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ThickAsThieves	ah that's the one	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo	[18:14]
ozbot	Companies House WebCheck	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	i ignored it at first cuz home page was spammy looking	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	this one http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/	[18:14]
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ThickAsThieves	"Free" being a red flag i might be too sensitive to	[18:15]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu: what's a defendant risking by participating? his trust rating? that's on the line whether he participates or not!	[18:22]
VanCleef	jesus fucking christ how many threads does active mining need	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` the judgement, whatever it may be.	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	one for each whim of each shareholder VanCleef	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	probly needs its own forum	[18:23]
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VanCleef	lol yeh	[18:24]
VanCleef	activeminingtalk.org	[18:24]
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pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21tp3n/the_following_accounts_are_operated_by_mpex/ oh he deleted it already :(	[18:25]
ozbot	The following accounts are operated by MPEx exchange and affiliates to discredit their competition.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[18:25]
Apocalyptic	"to discredit their competition." // they are already doing a fine job themselves	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic this is really crop of the season stuff.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	the EXACT same crap was being peddled by all the people upset that mpoe-pr closed down glbse two years ago.	[18:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.0052222 = 0.235 BTC [-]	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	they're still around, grumbling. fortunately, they have no btc to show, so it's mostly a vocal exercise.	[18:27]
asciilifeform	i confess that i wonder when i too will be featured on the 'secret soldier-shills of satanix mpex' lists the lamers are so fond of now.	[18:28]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, you would have to post at bitcointroll for that to happen	[18:28]
jayk	hmm	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the reptillian brain is driven by visual cues. so, once you're visible.	[18:31]
nubbins`	so he's risking a negative judgment, and this is the reason to pull the plug on the whole thing? O_O	[18:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005201 = 0.104 BTC [-]	[18:31]
nubbins`	Hannibal ante portas!	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` if he doesn't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees, he has no reason to trust the court with a farthing.	[18:31]
nubbins`	no, YOU don't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	many things in bitcoin are an all or nothing proposition, which is why it's so important to always pick either and stick to it.	[18:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.0051278 = 0.7692 BTC [-] {9}	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	i dun see why exactly you imagine this is personal in any sense. the court as it was failed to do so, that's objective not subjective.	[18:32]
jayk	the irs needed to stay out of bitcoin	[18:33]
*	jayk punches them	[18:33]
jayk	:	[18:33]
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nubbins`	sure, but the whole thing i was getting at is that the fee structure was flawed from the start, which is why the experiment failed	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	this would seem to be your pet theory, yes.	[18:33]
nubbins`	i have yet to see anything to the contrary aside from some hand-waving about absolutes and subjectivity	[18:34]
Mats_cd03	luls	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-223#post-5722550	[18:35]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings \| Page 223 \| Bitcointa.lk	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	"maybe danny is becoming danielle"	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	epic shit.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you don't have to see "anything to the contrary"	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	that's not how arguments work.	[18:35]
pankkake	ah, she had the list!	[18:35]
nubbins`	man has a round hole, a square peg, and a round peg	[18:36]
nubbins`	square peg doesn't fit, so the hole is flawed	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with the fallacy known as false dilemma ?	[18:36]
nubbins`	is it where people dance around addressing an issue? :D	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	(aka fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses)	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	no, it's where someone proposes he knows all the alternatives, which happen to be two, of which one happens to be something that didn't work in the past and the other happens to be his pet theory.	[18:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 266 @ 0.00500488 = 1.3313 BTC [-] {3}	[18:37]
nubbins`	i'm not proposing i know all the alternatives, i'm simply proposing one alternative that avoids the pitfalls of the first failure	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	one alternative you claim avoids the pitfals you identify.	[18:38]
nubbins`	consider the statement suitably modified	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	well, i see not problem with it, but it ain't convincing me.	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.592 BTC [+]	[18:38]
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nubbins`	shame to let such a cute baby starve	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	cute babies starve all teh time, it's the way you feed freedom.	[18:39]
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asciilifeform	!b 1	[18:39]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1766230/plain/)	[18:39]
bitcoinpete	Although some of you've read my latest blog post, I'm going to leave it here quietly for those who haven't:	[18:39]
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nubbins`	ehhh, for someone who goes on about the sham fiat courts so much, i'm more than a bit surprised you gave up on the idea after the first bump in the road	[18:39]
bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/	[18:40]
ozbot	Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[18:40]
nubbins`	but hey, it's your dime	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	twasnt a bump in the road, twas a major chasm.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	i just got better flir vision than you'd expect.	[18:40]
nubbins`	heaven forbid you build a bridge	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	whole thing's rotten.	[18:40]
chetty	the time will come to feed that baby nubbins` , but not yet.	[18:40]
benkay	wd Neil, can you share your source?	[18:40]
nubbins`	chetty: well, we're both sidestepping the issue that nobody in btc space is nearly competent enough to serve as a judge of any sort	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	^	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	no, i'm not sidestepping it lmao.	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	it's the fucking problem. citizen judgeship works if your citizenry consists of slave owning educated people	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	not web denizens	[18:41]
chetty	there are competent judges, but they can't be bothered	[18:41]
nubbins`	well i mean "open call for judges" certainly isn't the way to find 'em	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	the latter argues against the former. what competence of the lazy is this ?!	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` why not ?	[18:42]
chetty	no lazy, busy	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha she's buying neobee shares with aurora coins ok ok	[18:42]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: because you get applications from -assets neckbeards & wizards who want to crawl up your bum	[18:43]
nubbins`	fun fact, this is not the place where the best and brightest hang out	[18:43]
nubbins`	far, far from it	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` maybe, but that has nothing to do : if it's not open it's stacked.	[18:43]
Apocalyptic	nubbins`, what's that place ?	[18:44]
asciilifeform	meta-nsa.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	the solution is to MAKE the best and brightest hang here.	[18:44]
nubbins`	it's certainly worked so far ;p	[18:44]
nubbins`	almost as well as putting up a lonely blog post worked at fetching judges	[18:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00094939 = 15.8548 BTC [-] {2}	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	y so bitter nubsy	[18:46]
nubbins`	something stuck in my craw, nothing personal	[18:46]
nubbins`	this isn't the field of dreams -- you have to do more than build it for people to come	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	weren't you starving babies fifty lines up ?	[18:47]
nubbins`	about the same time you were dancing around straight answers, yep ;D	[18:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06121101 = 0.1224 BTC [-]	[18:47]
nubbins`	now, i've gotta get to the post office before this 30cm of freezing rain shows up	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	Of the crooked eyes of humanity no straight answer was ever perceived.	[18:48]
nubbins`	have a chew on the fact that rarely in history has "the best thing" ever ended up at the top of the pile purely on its own merits	[18:48]
nubbins`	unfair as it is, c'est ca	[18:48]
chetty	http://www.smh.com.au/world/attempt-to-deposit-fake-bonds-in-vatican-bank-20140330-zqolp.html	[18:48]
ozbot	Attempt to deposit fake bonds in Vatican bank	[18:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06121034 = 0.3673 BTC [-] {3}	[18:49]
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mircea_popescu	so am i getting this straight, teh forum is accusing me of backhandedly and undergroundedly manipulating everything while petting my cat and rolling my evil mustachios	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	whereas irc is accusing me of daydreamingly waiting for things to just happen ?	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	i want a trophy for this.	[18:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4068 @ 0.00094936 = 3.862 BTC [-]	[18:52]
asciilifeform	'why does physicist need a wife and a mistress? so that he can tell one that he is with the other, while he runs off to the lab to get some actual work in.'	[18:52]
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ThickAsThieves	to be fair, ive only ever accussed you of being stubborn and having an acceptably deviant sexual disposition	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	i think	[18:54]
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ThickAsThieves	spelling*	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	TROPHY!!!	[18:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18219 @ 0.00095425 = 17.3855 BTC [+] {2}	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	you havent issued a trophy process	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	how can we give you a trophy	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	lazy fuck	[18:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1081 @ 0.000955 = 1.0324 BTC [+]	[18:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06100001 = 0.122 BTC [-]	[18:57]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21tws3/satoshi_donated_to_dorian_fundraiser/	[18:57]
ozbot	Satoshi donated to Dorian fundraiser : Bitcoin	[18:57]
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ThickAsThieves	satoshi's a cheap mofo	[18:57]
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mircea_popescu	awww sucks	[19:05]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2014/03/31/c_word_the_oxford_english_dictionary_adds_several_adjectival_forms_of_cunt.html	[19:06]
ozbot	C-word: The Oxford English Dictionary adds several adjectival forms of cunt, including cunted and cu	[19:06]
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mircea_popescu	cunty ?!	[19:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0464 = 0.1856 BTC [-]	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share	[19:09]
BingoBoingo	Well...	[19:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10139 @ 0.000955 = 9.6827 BTC [+]	[19:10]
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mircea_popescu	"cunt-bitten" ? like moonstricken ?	[19:11]
BingoBoingo	Well cunt is the new moon. ATC is headed to the Cunt.	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	https://coinbase.com/apps/	[19:12]
ozbot	Coinbase Apps	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	they haz app store now	[19:12]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves pretty sure that's not actually satoshi	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	mp, question/advice-seeking: for someone wanting to take an "idea" and turn it into a respectable business plan, or at minimum, some sort of white paper spelling out all the pieces, what would be the best way to approach it? the default would be a stream of conciousness writing process to where you can work from what you make to categorize and sort it all, polishing it over and over	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	through iteration, but surely you have insight on the matter.	[19:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]	[19:19]
ThickAsThieves	maybe you have a trilema link that applies?	[19:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00095518 = 16.3336 BTC [+] {3}	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well no, a business plan is a commerce thing. you just need to fill in the specified spots.	[19:20]
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kow	ThickAsThieves, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposal_(business)	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	so working from a template is sufficient	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with the apostolic five w's ?	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	no	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	i thought you were in journalism ?	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	who what when where how?	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	who what yes	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	some pope came up with the rule that all reports must be built on this structure	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	sometime in 600ad	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	i was a layout guy at the paper, thrown into editing some cuz i was not so dumb	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	ah.	[19:22]
kow	high school newspaper	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	thinking may be an unstructured process, like say dreaming	[19:22]
ThickAsThieves	daily rag actually	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	or it can be a structured process. most industry and a good chunk of science, plus engineering (which includes good reporting and good police investigative work) is structured by this principle.	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	this isn't a template, but a structure	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	ok	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	(the difference is the same as between the rules of static forces on one hand and the facade of a house on the other)	[19:23]
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mircea_popescu	(and before anyone lays into me, i'm not really claiming dreaming is unstructured, lay off)	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	that wiki link wasnt quite applicable	[19:25]
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chetty	ThickAsThieves, helps a lot if you have person to bounce ideas around with	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	what i'm truly setting out to do, is determine whether two of my ideas can really work	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	indeed. and what the bouncer usually has to say is "sucks because what, or sucks because how" etc	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	one idea would be much easier to map out, the other less so, but i feel the process would force true determination	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well you'll never know if an idea can or can not really work. you should aim to get them / see if they can be gotten to the point where qualified people want to find out if they can work.	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	i want to convince myself of such	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	no business plan is a proposition of becoming rich.	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	before trying to convince others	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	not even about being rich necessarily	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	all business plans are a delineation of something which may or may not be worth finding out if it woirks.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	they're no different from grants, really.	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	ok	[19:27]
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ThickAsThieves	maybe i should enlist my wife then	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	she gets grants all the time	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	she can't hurt anything	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	well...	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	maybe she'll even end up taking you seriously	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	once she actually groks wtf it is.	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	that is quite possible	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	just got an email that RENT SPO is on	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	they did indeed conduct it as i guessed	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	halted the normal market, and opened the Buy IPO page to only buy new shares	[19:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.015945 = 0.1276 BTC [+]	[19:31]
dexX7	https://blockchain.info/address/1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV "Final Balance -221.60279421 BTC" >_>	[19:32]
ozbot	Bitcoin Address 1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV	[19:32]
Mats_cd03	ThickAsThieves: RS second round?	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	what's that dexx7?	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	Mats, 3rd or 4th round by my count	[19:33]
dexX7	bc.i seems to be broken again.. a wallet with negative balance	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[19:34]
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ThickAsThieves	are you sure it's not just a dumb display method?	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	like there are doublespends unconfirmed and affecting total	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	or the like	[19:35]
dexX7	i never saw something like this	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	seems to be a hevaily used addy	[19:36]
dexX7	true	[19:36]
Apocalyptic	bc.i has been broken for some time	[19:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12995 @ 0.0009553 = 12.4141 BTC [+]	[19:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12807 @ 0.00095104 = 12.18 BTC [-] {2}	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	lol pretty lulzy.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	just means the "total available" figure is broken really.	[19:41]
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pLambert	anybody want to guess odds that NEOBEE produces a financial statement within the next week?	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	i don't see anything substantially wrong with your 1.4%	[19:43]
pLambert	heh, you saw that?	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	twas in tje digests	[19:44]
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pLambert	At least I have my MPEx based investments to offset all the losses from other places :/	[19:45]
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mircea_popescu	lmao what have i become ;/	[19:46]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-224#post-5723119	[19:46]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings \| Page 224 \| Bitcointa.lk	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	she's really sticking it to them isn't she	[19:46]
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mircea_popescu	tho perhaps i should say him. that thread's basically reduced to one guy spazzing out and a bunch of people milking him for lulz.	[19:47]
pLambert	you better be careful or they are going to hire her out from under you ... or not	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	funny, they don't want to splurge 30 on a mpex reg, but they do want to spend 35 on the mpoe-pr.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	which, from all the reviews i've read so far, is really very bad and useless pr doing me a huge disservice.	[19:48]
pLambert	I think they only offered 3, she said she wouldn't do it for 35	[19:48]
benkay	!t h rent	[19:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00666000 / 0.00729929 / 0.00750000 (861 shares, 6.28468898 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00635969 / 0.00750000 (5354 shares, 34.04980275 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00566124 / 0.00900001 (46815 shares, 265.03101440 BTC)	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-224#post-5723297	[19:49]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings \| Page 224 \| Bitcointa.lk	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	looks like there were two people or something.	[19:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094936 = 3.7974 BTC [-]	[19:50]
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mircea_popescu	jurov pankkake https://bitcointa.lk/threads/your-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse.290560/#post-5723899	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	the forum has become beyond useless	[19:54]
novusordo	the only thing I use the forum for nowadays is following updates from friedcat and the trezor fellows	[19:55]
novusordo	and even then I just have automatic alerts to let me know when they post stuff	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	i use it as a sort of daytime sitcom	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	i cant gather that kind of joy from it	[19:55]
pankkake	well yes it's the "martin" jurov talked about	[19:56]
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mircea_popescu	aha	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	the unpaid invoices part seemed novel.	[19:57]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves and why not ?	[19:58]
benkay	"Modern media exacerbate the challenge of sorting reality from orchestrated perception." http://www.farnamstreetblog.com/2014/03/stanley-mcchrystal-my-share-of-the-task/	[19:58]
ThickAsThieves	for the same reason i cant enjoy Rush Limbaugh i think	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	which one is that	[19:59]
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ThickAsThieves	the pill-popping conservative radio sensatinalist	[19:59]
ThickAsThieves	it's just embarassing i the thougth of people taking it seriously compounds that	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	" Limbaugh is among the highest paid people in U.S. media, signing a contract in 2008 for $400 million through 2016.["	[20:00]
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ThickAsThieves	yeah the liberals listen to gawk, the idiots listen to fistpump	[20:01]
asciilifeform	wait, the american zhirinovsky ?!	[20:01]
[KS]	novusordo: https://twitter.com/FriedcatSays	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	lol he actually fistpumps ?	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	no	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	i just mean they want their ignorance validated	[20:01]
asciilifeform	(or would that be glenn beck)	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	and nourished	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	yeah glenn beck is worse probly	[20:01]
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ThickAsThieves	when i read the forums i cant help but think some % is accepting these people as reality	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	does he say anything specific other than obama is bad and the country is going to shit ?	[20:02]
ThickAsThieves	whatever gets the pickup-driving racists to feel good (and buy gold), he says	[20:03]
jurov	that's lulzy, martin/forensick uses bitcoin burza avatar too	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	both of these being fairly uncontroversial and apparently the entire bag of tricks of us conservative pundits	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	trolling itself is something ive never quite been able to fully digest	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	you're probably too old.	[20:04]
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ThickAsThieves	i also dislike april fool's day fwiw	[20:05]
ThickAsThieves	get off my lawn!	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	i don't recall the last time someone gathered the guts to try and play a trick on me,	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	but i do recall what i did to them.	[20:05]
MisterE	http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-31/edison-invoked-in-rare-u-dot-s-dot-high-court-look-at-software-patents	[20:05]
ozbot	Edison Echoed as U.S. Court Looks at Software Patents - Businessweek	[20:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10680 @ 0.00095381 = 10.1867 BTC [+] {2}	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	u dot s dot?	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	"Software makers led by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT:US) say overly strict limits would reduce incentives to develop cutting-edge programs that detect when a car airbag should deploy or let people alter photographs."	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha so much lol packed in one sentence	[20:07]
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ThickAsThieves	ack it hurts	[20:07]
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ThickAsThieves	who let the people photochop!?	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	let my peepho go!	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	meanwhile MS is the definition of photo-editing jokes	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	MS Paint	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	i tell you, really good sentence.	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	parody v reality aint looking so good for reality	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	“Switch just two people— the battalion commander and command sergeant major—from the best battalion with those of the worst, and within ninety days the relative effectiveness of the battalions will have switched as well,” I’d say. I still believe I was correct.	[20:10]
novusordo	[KS]: i've seen that, I have my own script I wrote before that came around that sends me a text message when he posts	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]	[20:10]
novusordo	it's nice because i can just use it for any forum member	[20:10]
asciilifeform	'f Edison were alive today, he would be writing his inventions in software.' << multilayer trololol	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	if elvis were alive today, his name'd be fiona and he'd be doing my laundry.	[20:11]
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novusordo	are there any good historical sources of mpex data besides @MPEX1 on twitter? i'm not finding much for historical volume	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	as long as he'll still sing at weddings!	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	novusordo, i think coinflow.co still works	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	also this chan, and iirc kakobrekla was selling the whole history db	[20:12]
asciilifeform	afaik the man invented exactly two things - phonograph and... patent trolling	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	so he'd be writing his inventions... in flash.	[20:13]
novusordo	ThickAsThieves: it seems to stop for most assets in october of 2013 for me... not sure why	[20:13]
asciilifeform	although...	[20:14]
asciilifeform	;;google paleophone	[20:14]
gribble	Charles Cros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Paleophone: ; Charles Cros:	[20:14]
novusordo	i'm looking for historical data that I can crunch	[20:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06068899 = 2.1848 BTC [-] {8}	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	buy it from kako	[20:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0561 = 0.1122 BTC [-]	[20:16]
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novusordo	oh, the socket seems to have what i'm looking for	[20:19]
novusordo	didn't see it before	[20:19]
novusordo	herp	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	probably more adequate for high volume processing too.	[20:19]
jurov	novusordo, because live.coinbr started in october 2013. afaik socked uses there data, too	[20:20]
jurov	*these historical data	[20:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]	[20:20]
jurov	for surrent data, it hace dedicated mpex interface	[20:20]
jurov	amazing no one collected them before	[20:21]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[20:21]
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asciilifeform	from the loltron:	[20:27]
asciilifeform	http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-28/as-cash-use-drops-do-crime-rates-follow#r=read	[20:27]
ozbot	As Cash Use Drops, Do Crime Rates Follow? - Businessweek	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	on pravda today : "Does socialism increase the welfare of the worker ?"	[20:28]
asciilifeform	;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes	[20:29]
gribble	The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes - General Board of Global ...: ; Charles Wesley on 'The cause and cure of earthquakes ...: ; Charles Wesley, "The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes" 1750: (1 more message)	[20:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.0001201 = 2.402 BTC [-] {12}	[20:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.0075 = 0.195 BTC [+]	[20:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00095237 = 9.1428 BTC [-]	[20:40]
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thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com mpoe march 2014	[20:50]
gribble	MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[20:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[20:51]
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ThickAsThieves	http://blog.shubh.am/full-disclosure-coinbase-security/	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	"Within 30 minutes, I was able to gather 400 unique email addresses, distinctively associated with Bitcoins"	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	http://i.imgur.com/ik2M9Zw.png	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	excellent opportunity for coinbase to display some pr.	[20:53]
ThickAsThieves	"Cuomo Gives Tesla (TSLA) A New York Direct-Sell Pass"	[20:53]
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novusordo	i'm having a hard time understanding what 'username' and 'pass' I'm supposed to supply the mpex socket with...	[20:53]
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ThickAsThieves	the one you purchased	[20:54]
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novusordo	oh, that's what you meant by "buy it from kako" i assume	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	yessir	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	you contact him, pay, then he creates access account	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	afaik	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	"New regulation requires all cars to have rear-view cameras by 2018"	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	When will eyes be required on the back of my head to walk?	[20:57]
asciilifeform	'new regulation requires all cars to have arseview cameras by 2028'	[20:57]
kanzure	backwards google glass	[20:57]
novusordo	surely that means all NEW cars, right?	[20:58]
kanzure	someone should run one of the mtgox email address dumps through that coinbase api endpoint	[20:58]
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mircea_popescu	kanzure generally s/someone/i/	[20:58]
kanzure	yeah i should do it	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	a generally available index of "idiots involved in Bitcoin" is a good thing.	[20:59]
kanzure	i'm sure it's going to be the same users	[20:59]
kanzure	yes	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	it'd hurt the idiots, but their pain and suffering is required to build greatness.	[20:59]
kanzure	it wont hurt them any more than they've already hurt themselves	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[21:00]
kanzure	remember, they intentionally signed up to coinbase	[21:00]
kanzure	and even mtgox	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	but it's not ok to let them suffer in silence and privacy.,	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	they must be displayed for the general public, so the general public may learn that idiocy has consequences.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	painful consequences.	[21:00]
kanzure	i dunno about that. that's more thought than i'm willing to put into it.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	there's also that.	[21:01]
asciilifeform	what'd be the punishment here? more load for their spam filters?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	public ridicule	[21:01]
kanzure	being phished for the rest of eternity	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	"you claim to be a human being, but you are actually subhuman, because look :"	[21:01]
kanzure	basically everyone in that 2011 mtgox dump is target for phishing	[21:01]
kanzure	and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	kanzure how exactly did you form this opinion on coinbase ?	[21:02]
asciilifeform	phish neither picks your pockets nor breaks yer bones, unless one is stupid	[21:02]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: huh?	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	"and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so"	[21:02]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: i mean they are a target for phishing if they also signed up for coinbase	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	a a	[21:03]
asciilifeform	for what it's worth, i had (empty) accounts on both.	[21:03]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: because they have trouble discriminating between good bitcoin ideas and poor bitcoin ideas ("hand over bitcoins to a third-party")	[21:03]
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kanzure	asciilifeform: that's worth at least something..	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform amusingly, i had accounts on neither, but that doesn't prevent people from trying to phish and etc	[21:03]
kanzure	oh have you gotten phishing emails targeted to you?	[21:04]
kanzure	that's curious	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	i think there must exist somewhere people doing email spiderin by hgand	[21:04]
Mats_cd03	attacking a form without a rate limit... how has coinbase gone this long with this problem?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	kanzure i was just writing about one as ThickAsThieves posted that link	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	probly multi-part teams, with one guy assigned to high-value targets	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 cuz nobody srsly cares about em ?	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	he's the one working by hand	[21:05]
asciilifeform	to all spammers: the folks still using btc-related-whatevers on winblows are in dire need of your loving personal attention.	[21:06]
Mats_cd03	the next thing that poster is going to say in a week is, the password reset form doesnt have a rate limit either and oops, a quarter of the accounts have been looted cause an attacker bruteforced the idiots	[21:06]
kanzure	well they have rate limits on amount of bitcoin they can send at a time on coinbase because of how they claim their cold storage system works	[21:07]
Mats_cd03	yc needs better security experts on their staff	[21:07]
kanzure	so at minimum they have to pretend they have limits in order to not reveal that their cold storage sytsem isn't cold	[21:07]
ThickAsThieves	but jesus antonopoulis says it's sufficiently chilly	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	or was that blockchain?	[21:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00094986 = 16.8125 BTC [-] {3}	[21:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11541 @ 0.00094925 = 10.9553 BTC [-] {2}	[21:13]
nanotube	benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :)	[21:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0075 = 0.165 BTC [+] {2}	[21:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 5080 @ 0.0075 = 38.1 BTC [+]	[21:27]
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Mats_cd03	http://nationalinterest.org/print/commentary/are-aircraft-carriers-the-new-west-berlin-10128	[21:28]
ozbot	Are Aircraft Carriers the New West Berlin?	[21:28]
Mats_cd03	interesting idea, there, about playing chicken with national security	[21:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094833 = 9.1514 BTC [-]	[21:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00094833 = 28.118 BTC [-]	[21:32]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/spam-and-malware-lets-be-cool-together/	[21:33]
ozbot	Spam and malware, let’s be cool together. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:33]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'he either buys a beer for whatever famished kid working in whatever poor quality “website design shop” to obtain credentials, or perhaps just simply is the famished kid in question' << sadder than that. the creds typically come from an idiot inside a given shop who bit a trojan hook himself.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	also possible, yes.	[21:37]
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mircea_popescu	in this case, i doubt the people working at the ro firm actually have access to the server tho	[21:37]
asciilifeform	spam behaves just like other 'multilevel' crapola, in that the objective is typically... to find more places to send spam from.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	for reasons of sheer ineptitude	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	ie, managing excel is a demanding intellectual task.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	all one needs is to pwn one machine from which someone at least occasionally logs on to the box	[21:38]
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mircea_popescu	but that's what im saying	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	the box was never logged into, ever.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	look at that website.	[21:38]
nubbins`	i don't want my airbag to have the power to decide whether i'm allowed to alter photographs :(	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	it was made sometime in 200x, never to be touched again	[21:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'For Science' (tm) post the sha of payload	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's worse than that. the lolcats have the power to decide if your airbang opens	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	i can forward you the entire thing if you're curious	[21:40]
asciilifeform	lolcats decide if your... throttle opens.	[21:40]
asciilifeform	dollars to doughbuts, sha will suffice.	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00094833 = 7.8237 BTC [-]	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	heck, let me send you a list of this shit :D	[21:40]
Mats_cd03	i'll take a copy of the zip if you'd upload it	[21:41]
nubbins`	new regulation requires all cars to have under-the-nuts-view cameras by 2015	[21:41]
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mircea_popescu	you can have a fwd, pm an email.	[21:42]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21ud3m/looks_like_darkwallet_was_a_scam_xpost_thehub/	[21:55]
ozbot	Looks like Darkwallet was a scam [x-post TheHub] : Bitcoin	[21:55]
the20year2	lies	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:55]
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pankkake	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/report-rsa-endowed-crypto-product-with-second-nsa-influenced-code/	[21:57]
ozbot	Report: RSA endowed crypto product with second NSA-influenced code \| Ars Technica	[21:57]
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asciilifeform	pankkake: seems like just more crap re: EC_DRBG	[21:58]
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benkay	ThickAsThieves: software is hard. whocouldanode.	[22:01]
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asciilifeform	benkay: software isn't hard. let's not go shopping.	[22:01]
benkay	man this is what i have to say to people who crowdfund software: http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/johnny-cash-finger-2.jpg?w=700	[22:01]
benkay	sure, it's never the actual software.	[22:02]
benkay	it's the estimation, constraints, fractal nature of coastline, overreaching ambitions, unmanaged expectations...	[22:02]
asciilifeform	...and folks who don't even bother, and scamplan from beginning.	[22:03]
benkay	i want to ship a shitload of features! it's going to cost 500B.	[22:03]
asciilifeform	'i promise to ship a shitload of xxxx. send me xxxB.'	[22:04]
benkay	another thing is, as i said to my colleague recently re a contractor: "ain't nobody motivated by money in the bank."	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	now that's definitely a thing.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	"There is an empirical problem with the debate over United States military strategy towards China: aircraft carriers are “dead,” but they can still be seen patrolling the Western Pacific."	[22:05]
benkay	this is very similar to the constant ongoing mining fiasco and how product tends to get delivered (in my extremely limited experience): "you ship a thing. it shows up on my door. if it works, 30 days later i send you a check. otherwise, get out of my face."	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	well obviously. the us can't quite afford to abandon the notion	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	benkay sounds a lot like a mp quote :D	[22:06]
benkay	this in fact is how we run our shop. we sit down, figure out what crazy ideas you have, how to make them into an actual thing, and then work on it at a predetermined rate for a period of time.	[22:06]
benkay	then we bill you.	[22:06]
benkay	"great artists steal"	[22:06]
benkay	fifteen days after the postmark date, we expect to see remuneration.	[22:06]
benkay	that's essentially net 45. think of the float you could be making on our backs!	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	lol myeah.	[22:07]
joecool	that's basically groupon's business model	[22:07]
joecool	except they don't do anything but hold the money for awhile and gamble before paying the merchants	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	more complicated than that. the groupon business model was basically to try and create a scale advantage on both ends.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	specifically : supermarkets exist to scam consumers, because the supermarket is large, so it can tell any small farmer to stfu and get lost	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	and it can similarly tell any town dweller to stfu and starve.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	this allows them to buy everything very cheap and sell it as expensive as they want.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	this is sam walton's business idea, really.	[22:10]
the20year2	The reason they exist is because the consumers demanded year-round goods	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	many lines aren't amenable to the supermarket model, but groupon tried to bring them into the same economics.	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	had it succeeded to make it so "all the buyers are on groupon", it's model of "give us everything for free" would have worked on the merchants.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	and vice-versa, of course.	[22:12]
joecool	it still works for some merchants that don't have access to their own in-house mailing list	[22:12]
joecool	to gain exposure, it's just not as big as hoped for	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 moreover, that's phase 2 material. obviously the supermarket can train the clueless consumer in a number of ways to build a moat around itself.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	but this recent "can't eat an apple with a spot" neurosis is not naturally occuring in human populations.	[22:13]
the20year2	Certainly is if the population is to continue to grow, if you continue on with less efficient methods of food delivery people starve	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, independent romanian farmers sell 5% milk for 0.5 lei, and 1.5% milk is on sale in the supermarkets for... 6 lei.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	that's a 95% margin for the supermarket.	[22:14]
the20year2	Median supermarket margins in the US are 15%	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 that data is corrupted, and milk is a fine example.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	try and make a farm selling milk at cost +15% in say california.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	(they recently had a case about how illegal all this is)	[22:16]
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jurov	oh, we have better rackets	[22:18]
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jurov	billa moves unsold produce from austria here	[22:18]
jurov	and sells it here for higher price	[22:18]
jurov	every time i'm shopping in austria i must fight rage, everything is really fresher	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	i don't think i've ever bouight supermarket-anything	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	but it's fucking ridiculous that i have to maintain a private supply network in fucking 2014	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	you'd think it's 1984 all over again or some shit.	[22:21]
benkay	or 1300	[22:22]
benkay	your castle needs a supply chain	[22:22]
benkay	what's so novel about that?	[22:22]
benkay	the rest of us grub in the dirt for spuds.	[22:22]
benkay	doesn't sound so novel.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	yes well for crying out loud.	[22:23]
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jurov	fortunately, farmers sell over internet now	[22:25]
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benkay	vegetables in the mail for bitcoin	[22:27]
benkay	also stop spraying veggies with water	[22:27]
benkay	fucking stupid.	[22:27]
benkay	"fresh!"	[22:27]
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mircea_popescu	http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/sequestration-will-hollow-our-military-8776	[22:37]
ozbot	Sequestration Will Hollow Our Military	[22:37]
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mircea_popescu	"On alert, this tattered, morally compromised army was to clear post in under an hour, move to its defensive positions on the West German border with the Warsaw Pact, fight outnumbered five to one and win. Such odds were daunting."	[22:38]
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the20year2	your point?	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	that the us army at no point past ww2 had a standing chance in europe.	[22:41]
the20year2	Very much correct, it was always assumed to go nuclear within 24hrs of the outbreak of conflict	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that's what the planning mostly planned for.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway, just some retired something or the other harping about how expensive and hard it is.	[22:43]
the20year2	to secure europe from the evil russian bear?	[22:43]
benkay	blackwater will eventually own texas, much like the roman mercs ate the empire.	[22:43]
thestringpuller	no march MPOE statement?	[22:43]
pLambert	"In 1974, one could easily find company-sized organizations in U.S. Army Europe" wth does the US have so many troops in Europe?	[22:43]
the20year2	To prevent steamrolling of western europe from Wpac	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller since the option thing is ended ima report it end of month line normal assets.	[22:44]
jurov	thestringpuller MPOE is suspended	[22:44]
benkay	no options, no statement, thestringpuller. who cares, anyways? it's a scam under investigation by the SEC. doomed, I tell you (to enjoy the new scion TC!)	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	pLambert i suspect it was part of the marshall plan	[22:44]
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pLambert	and a corrolary: why do we STILL have so many troops in Europe?	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	because yougotta pay to play.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	if some guy in my neighbourhood decided to go around telling everyone he's the bestest there is, i'd also expect him to send a nubile young woman around for purposes with some frequency.	[22:45]
the20year2	benkay: what stock?	[22:46]
Mats_cd03	funny enough, some countries wont admit to liking having american troops on their soil	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	course not.	[22:46]
Mats_cd03	but they like having american money flowing into local economies	[22:46]
Mats_cd03	laugh	[22:46]
the20year2	arms exports/imports is a nice money maker	[22:46]
benkay	keybase blowback ramping up: http://blog.lizdenys.com/2014/03/31/refusing-to-verify-myself/	[22:47]
benkay	the20year2: logs, man. gotta read 'em. sometimes just like 20 lines back.	[22:47]
pLambert	this guy bitching about "sequestration", has the US defense budget actually gone down at all? I thought we were still spending more every year?	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	pLambert nop but he has a point. it went down very little overall but it cut very badly.	[22:48]
the20year2	guess i'm just not seeing it	[22:48]
the20year2	pLambert: yes, it's set to diminish by a decent amount due to iraq, afghanistan and drawdowns	[22:48]
benkay	in inflationary regime, static budgets are cuts, pLambert	[22:49]
the20year2	Granted, in my personal opinion (As controversial as it is), it's like every other government program, cutting things that are important, expanding things that buy votes	[22:49]
pLambert	And he thinks we should spend just as much, even though we are not actually fighting anybody?	[22:49]
the20year2	The budget is 600-650b, and they want to decrease it to around 500b	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	benkay wait, that's not your girl, is it ?	[22:49]
pLambert	grr, politics makes me angry	[22:49]
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the20year2	By reducing manpower, officer corps, cutting basic programs, ect	[22:50]
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mircea_popescu	pLambert his intuition is correct, in that the us has no economy, and no technical ability. cutting the army is like cutting its own throat.	[22:50]
benkay	mircea_popescu: naw man i like 'em effeminate and making dinner not deep in the server room.	[22:50]
the20year2	Which I have a problem with, when programs like LCS and the F35 are front and center taking up significant sums of money for low results	[22:50]
bounce	re minimum crime, how does upping the crime rate increase the incentive not to go into crime?	[22:50]
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mircea_popescu	bounce take whores. if there's a whore on every corner and prices are low, is your pretty daughter more likely or less likely to start cutting class for to taking it up the tail ?	[22:51]
pLambert	is F35 the one which was designed to fight against russians and has never been used?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	and by the latest reports couldn't fight against the russians even if it wanted to.	[22:52]
the20year2	The airplane that does nothing more than the plane we built in the early 90s for $200m/unit	[22:52]
bounce	dunno. "everyone's doing it, it's fun!" appears to be a powerful motivator.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	but that's not the real edge. the guy selling it to her is more likely to not bother, is the real edge.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	thinking the girl acts of her own volition is a little rich.	[22:53]
Mats_cd03	i rather appreciate whats being done with the f35 personally	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 how's that go ?	[22:53]
the20year2	compared to the f22/yf23?	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	benkay so maybe tell her about this marvelous wot thing we got ? liz i mean.	[22:53]
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Mats_cd03	maybe in 30 years we'll be fielding Transformers models of Starscream	[22:53]
Mats_cd03	(yes i know starscream is an f-15)	[22:54]
bounce	whether it's her girlish friends pulling her in or a pimp looking for more meat to sell is a different mechanism but with the same effect; question then is which'll be stronger	[22:54]
jurov	i heard funny hypothesis that f35 is chinese inside job to bleed usg dry	[22:54]
Mats_cd03	well no i think the project is cool and i dont have a lot of problems with pouring R&D money into potentially useful technology	[22:54]
the20year2	corrupt politicians vying for money to their districts makes alot more sense	[22:54]
bounce	likewise, getting robbed often enough is a strong incentive to no longer run a shop (or at least not here, or maybe not a jeweller but a gunsmith, who knows)	[22:54]
Mats_cd03	even if its basically a laundry list of cool shit we want our super plane to have	[22:54]
the20year2	I'm curious what signfiicant tech the f35 produces that the f22/f35 didn't have	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	bounce and wide availability and a commodified market reduces the pull.	[22:55]
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Mats_cd03	well, vtol for one	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	a vtol fighter jet ? srsly ?	[22:55]
Mats_cd03	or for that matter, svtol	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	why not make it submersible ?	[22:55]
bounce	it'll be inferior to the harrier, like as not.	[22:55]
Mats_cd03	that'd be awesome, we should do that next	[22:56]
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bounce	thunderbirds are go!	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	how about also making it cockshaped ?	[22:56]
Mats_cd03	balla balla	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	a submersible flying penis with missiles.	[22:56]
jurov	it should be able to to burrow, too	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	i would imagine that's how it lands.	[22:57]
bounce	yeah no, I don't think it's straight up incentive, or at least not as strong as implied as there's strong pull the other way too. eg gangs don't extinguish themselves	[22:57]
Mats_cd03	anyway, not all the f-35 series planes are the same	[22:57]
Mats_cd03	e.g. one (two?) isnt a fighter jet	[22:58]
bounce	f35 is a brilliant scam, actually. getting permission to deliver production planes when the prototype hasn't had its maiden flight	[22:58]
Mats_cd03	f-35 is useful for air to surface, whereas f-22 is designed for air to air	[22:58]
Mats_cd03	it has had its maiden flight... a long time ago	[22:58]
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mircea_popescu	bounce it's a balance point. the whole idea is that stable situations are stable, and derivation from that mean is unstable.	[22:58]
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mircea_popescu	nothing much harder than that.	[22:59]
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Mats_cd03	http://www.military.com/video/aircraft/jet-fighters/first-f-35b-vertical-takeoff-test/2397060192001/ VTOL	[22:59]
ozbot	First F-35B Vertical Takeoff Test \| Military.com	[23:00]
bounce	oh I get the point that there'll be some equilibrium or other (pterry's vetinary letting the crime guild regulate the crime) but I don't think the equation is that simple	[23:00]
bounce	s/ary/ari/	[23:00]
Mats_cd03	is so majestic *tear	[23:00]
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mircea_popescu	bounce inasmuch as it's not even an equation.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	but in general, the crime guild does much better a job of regulating crime than any other guild.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	the usual problem is that there's no capable criminals to make a guild in the first place, nothing else.	[23:01]
bounce	alright, an inequality, and there's an epsilon, but sheesh.	[23:02]
jurov	wait, the VTO is only for short distance move?	[23:02]
bounce	leadership isn't easy to come by, no. random democratic and/or republican countries haven't managed it in a long time for the usual positions either	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:03]
asciilifeform	'keybase' is still alive!?	[23:03]
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jurov	such fail. two heli blades would likely be lighter and more efficient	[23:03]
asciilifeform	what does it need to do, fly the 'full spectrum dominance' squid flag?	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	MArck Cuban is a finance expert now?	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	“The risk isn’t so much about the small investor,” Mr. Cuban said. “The risk is all these different high-frequency traders playing a game with their algorithms, trying to trick each other, to get in front of each other to make that trade.	[23:03]
ThickAsThieves	“And because we don’t know all the algorithms, because we don’t know the end factorial and all of the different ways they may interact, there are negative consequences that occur as a result. That introduces a market risk. That market risk has an unquantifiable cost. We saw it in one instance with the flash crash. We see it every day with little mini-flash crashes.”	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform liz is a naive chick.	[23:03]
Mats_cd03	jurov for some relative value of short, it doesnt go very far and i dont think you can carry much of a payload either	[23:03]
asciilifeform	http://b-i.forbesimg.com/kashmirhill/files/2013/12/octopus-rocket-copy.jpg	[23:04]
Mats_cd03	its certainly not as efficient as the chinook	[23:04]
bounce	if I'd wanted to be mean I'd point out that the space shuttle looked spiffy enough but didn't do a very good job of shuttling, n'mind at a suitably low price tag. not that hard to argue it set humanity's progress toward colonising space back a good score years or so.	[23:04]
Mats_cd03	(fastest fixed-wing craft in the army iirc due to two rotors)	[23:05]
bounce	the f35 is made of the same sort of undeliverium	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	bounce do argue.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	shitanium chassis, unobtainium semiconductors...	[23:06]
Mats_cd03	if murica didnt want politicians building airplanes, they shoudnt have elected politicians to build airplanes	[23:06]
bounce	where's that piece reporting on the incoming chief de mission that dug a bit and found fscktons of rot?	[23:06]
kakobrekla	kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate) < perhaps, but thats is not the reason people fell for them	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	true, true.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	as a selling point it's perhaps innovative. surely beats ken slaughter's garage.	[23:08]
kakobrekla	yes	[23:08]
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bounce	explains it better than I could. if reduced at absurdum it's inevitably too expensive to ever fly well, and it very much looks like lockheed martin deliberately aimed for that because a project that looks it'll succeed Real Soon Now but never really does is the ultimate goose with the golden eggs for the military industrial complex	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	bounce in the end this isn't such a very good argument.	[23:11]
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kakobrekla	kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it < get to werk then!	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	Like the US garrison in West Berlin, aircraft carriers are relatively defenseless, but they have a separate function as a highly visible warning about US resolve. Today, a strategy of mobile “tripwires” is neither credible nor prudent, but it is worth studying because it may actually be implemented.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	Specifically, our bargaining chip against Beijing is to make things uncomfortably apocalyptic. The point is less what the carrier can do and more what an attack on it promises—full retaliation, and a war that may quickly get out of hand. As ASPI analyst Harry White observed last month [11], “the idea is that anyone who attacks as valuable an asset as a US carrier should expect a significant response.” Internation	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	ally, a successful strike would deeply wound American prestige, especially if it went unanswered. Domestically, the deaths of six thousand crewmembers would generate almost unbearable political pressures for revenge. Our entries into WWII and the Global War on Terror were sparked by less.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	this is basically... cruisin' for a bruisin'.	[23:15]
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asciilifeform	'It was he who invented	[23:20]
asciilifeform	_Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	_Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended	[23:20]
asciilifeform	up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was	[23:20]
asciilifeform	then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were	[23:20]
asciilifeform	enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of	[23:20]
asciilifeform	the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where	[23:20]
asciilifeform	any subcontractors might fall.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It	[23:20]
asciilifeform	would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the	[23:20]
asciilifeform	state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and	[23:20]
asciilifeform	it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting	[23:20]
*	B0g4r7 (~B0g4r7@208.76.200.200) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:20]
asciilifeform	the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required	[23:20]
asciilifeform	turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every	[23:20]
asciilifeform	hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of	[23:20]
asciilifeform	the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling,	[23:20]
asciilifeform	the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft	[23:21]
asciilifeform	skirt required.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There	[23:21]
asciilifeform	were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck,	[23:21]
asciilifeform	would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and	[23:21]
asciilifeform	millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and	[23:21]
asciilifeform	commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day	[23:21]
asciilifeform	_Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator	[23:21]
asciilifeform	who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica	[23:21]
asciilifeform	while the bill was railroaded through.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans	[23:21]
asciilifeform	which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so	[23:21]
asciilifeform	powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created	[23:21]
asciilifeform	dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested	[23:21]
asciilifeform	expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to	[23:21]
asciilifeform	solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding	[23:21]
asciilifeform	agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out	[23:21]
asciilifeform	before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they	[23:21]
asciilifeform	found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to	[23:21]
pLambert	ack, wth asciilifeform, use a link	[23:21]
asciilifeform	accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it	[23:21]
asciilifeform	would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source	[23:21]
asciilifeform	(though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered).	[23:21]
asciilifeform	Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs	[23:21]
asciilifeform	had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the	[23:21]
asciilifeform	entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course	[23:21]
asciilifeform	the project had too much momentum to cancel, but unless there were visible	[23:21]
asciilifeform	results, trimming would begin. Doddly went before a Congressional committee to	[23:21]
asciilifeform	argue eloquently for his monster. He pointed to valuable spin-offs: the	[23:21]
asciilifeform	Department of Agriculture now knew much more about binding topsoils. But	[23:22]
asciilifeform	secretly he was worried, as his diary showed:	[23:22]
asciilifeform	'	[23:22]
asciilifeform	'It was he who invented	[23:22]
asciilifeform	_Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	_Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended	[23:22]
asciilifeform	up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was	[23:22]
asciilifeform	then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were	[23:22]
asciilifeform	enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of	[23:22]
asciilifeform	the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where	[23:22]
pLambert	oh shit, he is repeating the whole thing again	[23:22]
asciilifeform	any subcontractors might fall.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It	[23:22]
jayk	oh dear	[23:22]
asciilifeform	would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the	[23:22]
asciilifeform	state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and	[23:22]
asciilifeform	it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting	[23:22]
asciilifeform	the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required	[23:22]
asciilifeform	turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every	[23:22]
jayk	my eyes cannot keep up with this shit	[23:22]
asciilifeform	hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of	[23:22]
asciilifeform	the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling,	[23:22]
asciilifeform	the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft	[23:22]
asciilifeform	skirt required.	[23:22]
*	jayk screams	[23:22]
asciilifeform	Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There	[23:22]
asciilifeform	were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck,	[23:22]
asciilifeform	would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and	[23:22]
asciilifeform	millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and	[23:23]
asciilifeform	commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day	[23:23]
asciilifeform	_Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator	[23:23]
asciilifeform	who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica	[23:23]
asciilifeform	while the bill was railroaded through.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans	[23:23]
asciilifeform	which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so	[23:23]
asciilifeform	powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created	[23:23]
asciilifeform	dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested	[23:23]
asciilifeform	expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to	[23:23]
pLambert	guesses as to whether it will repeat a third time?	[23:23]
asciilifeform	solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding	[23:23]
asciilifeform	agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out	[23:23]
asciilifeform	before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they	[23:23]
asciilifeform	found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to	[23:23]
asciilifeform	accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it	[23:23]
asciilifeform	would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source	[23:23]
*	tyrion70 (~Adium@unaffiliated/tyrion70) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:23]
asciilifeform	(though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered).	[23:23]
benkay	asciilifeform: would you pastebin?	[23:23]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, you should /part	[23:23]
asciilifeform	Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs	[23:23]
asciilifeform	had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the	[23:23]
asciilifeform	entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course	[23:23]
*	asciilifeform (~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has left #bitcoin-assets ("Leaving")	[23:23]
jayk	good riddance	[23:23]
Apocalyptic	benkay, I assume it wasn't an intentional paste	[23:23]
thestringpuller	benkay: stop being a hippie	[23:24]
jayk	lol	[23:24]
joecool	lawl asciilifeform just ruined some days	[23:24]
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benkay	thestringpuller: go back to the ghetto	[23:24]
benkay	wb asciilifeform :)	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform donation... -> 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb	[23:24]
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asciilifeform	how much	[23:25]
bounce	http://www.alternet.org/fail-400-billion-military-jet-cant-fly-cloudy-weather?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark http://www.pogo.org/blog/2013/02/why-the-f-35-lightning-cant-fly-in-lightning-yet.html and perhaps http://www.pogo.org/blog/2014/02/heres-what-60-minutes-didnt-tell-you-about-the-f-35.html	[23:25]
ozbot	Fail The $400 Billion Military Jet That Can't Fly in Cloudy Weather \| Alternet	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	afaik it was up to the malfeasant	[23:26]
bounce	a little perspective here, some tidbits there, add it together and the picture isn't pretty	[23:26]
bounce	can't recall if this is what I recalled, but it sounds familiar	[23:26]
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asciilifeform	https://blockchain.info/tx/b649dbbd792cd03e6a472e53596877a08e41053a6078595ce712c37935445742	[23:27]
ozbot	Bitcoin Transaction b649dbbd792cd03e6a472e53596877a08e41053a6078595ce712c37935445742	[23:27]
asciilifeform	mea culpa.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	1btc for the motherland.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	inb4 we discover haxxors got it.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	lol	[23:29]
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asciilifeform	where do these go anyway	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	i would imagine to kako's beer fund	[23:33]
asciilifeform	should be good for a small barrel.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	prolly pay for the wiki	[23:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}	[23:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04643898 = 0.1858 BTC [+] {4}	[23:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}	[23:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00388001 = 0.194 BTC [+]	[23:36]
diametric	asciilifeform: what is that?	[23:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}	[23:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00095014 = 33.4924 BTC [+]	[23:38]
artifexd	What is the precedent for asciilifeform's donation? I don't see anything about it in http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/	[23:39]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd i dunno, it's been illo tempore policy that people accidentally spamming or otherwise unintentionally misbehave contribute to the port fund	[23:40]
artifexd	Interesting	[23:41]
asciilifeform	unwritten tradition	[23:41]
bounce	re strangecoin, I get the feeling I can stop reading after this: ``Of course, when I give you a dollar for a burger that's not really a zero sum transaction, because otherwise we wouldn't be motivated to enter into the transaction in the first place.'' -- conflating currency-mediated transactions with barter	[23:43]
asciilifeform	strangecoin?	[23:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.0009496 = 23.2652 BTC [-] {2}	[23:43]
bounce	http://digitalinterface.blogspot.ca/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html	[23:44]
ozbot	digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	if people's understanding of cuisine are on par with their understanding of basic economy, suddenly food in the us is explained.	[23:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1722 BTC [+] {2}	[23:45]
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bounce	.oO( BurgerCoin )	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	so i wonder if teh numerous sikrit agents dutifully scraping this are also dutifully scraping my in-guild rift convos.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	memo : teh in-game chat systems are often abused to move sikrits!	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	come one come all, i just kicked inactives and we're down to like 800 members nao. taking all comers.	[23:46]
bounce	so TISAC, then	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	;;google tisac	[23:49]
gribble	TISAC \| Home: ; TISAC Handbook - Ravenscroft School: ; TISAC \| Thailand International Schools Activity Conference:	[23:49]
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bounce	;;google (TINC)	[23:50]
gribble	tinc wiki: ; download - Tinc: ; Tinc (protocol) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[23:50]
bounce	nope. no easy google for you.	[23:50]
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mircea_popescu	lolk	[23:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.045151 = 0.1355 BTC [-]	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05670683 = 0.1701 BTC [-]	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]	[23:56]
Duffer1	!t h rent	[23:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00666000 / 0.00749925 / 0.00750000 (14052 shares, 105.37944000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00718566 / 0.00750000 (18781 shares, 134.95392746 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00607372 / 0.00900001 (60333 shares, 366.44601440 BTC)	[23:57]
benkay	now is that the old tranche or the new tranche, the20year1?	[23:57]
benkay	!l h rent	[23:58]
assbot	Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.0075 BTC [+]	[23:58]
*	jedunnigan (~jedunniga@us2x.mullvad.net) has left #bitcoin-assets	[23:58]
benkay	or are they all the same now?	[23:58]
Mats_cd03	anyway, a final word regarding the f-35 vs f-22 conversation...	[23:58]
Mats_cd03	the two are meant to work together as envisioned by the usaf	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3617 @ 0.00095014 = 3.4367 BTC [+]	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	so wait a damned second.	[23:59]
Mats_cd03	similarly to how the f-15 and -16 worked together in a mix of relative low and high tech	[23:59]
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mircea_popescu	"someone" bought 105 btc worth of rent at 0.0075 today,	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	but the same someone didn't buy 30 btc worth of rent all week	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	in spite of it trading around 50ish for the entire interval ?	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	how's this stuff work ?	[23:59]

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