Forum logs for 29 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13748 @ 0.00032704 = 4.4961 BTC [+] [00:03]
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mircea_popescu o look at that [00:10]
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mircea_popescu mthreat interesting. so basically they run them looser and with a momentum-consuming groove in one spot. [00:16]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu is awake ! [00:19]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform << this is two degrees of magnitude easier, at least. [00:21]
asciilifeform none of it is hard. [00:21]
asciilifeform but, [00:21]
asciilifeform magical allocators are entirely the wrong place to begin. [00:21]
asciilifeform that is how you get shitgnomatrons in the first place [00:22]
asciilifeform (that is, by plastering over retardation with magic) [00:22]
mircea_popescu lol "dark market coupons" [00:22]
asciilifeform if, -after we nuke all of the powerranger cruft- - we end up having to go there - then we go there. [00:22]
asciilifeform not before. [00:22]
mod6 makes sense. [00:23]
mircea_popescu cazalla i think she has a point actually. deed the pages, that's proof enough. and as the derps probably don't know (or don't know they should know), we might even catch a diddled page. maybe. [00:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "as far as we know" tm, there's no effect. [00:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: which ? [00:27]
mircea_popescu the berkley db mem allocation [00:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i get a ballooning all the way to ~23M during first few hours of runtime, where it stays (based on pmap data) [00:29]
asciilifeform just for bdb [00:29]
mircea_popescu i think it pre-allocates locks or something [00:29]
asciilifeform according to docs, this is not a hard necessity. [00:30]
mircea_popescu well no, just how it does it [00:30]
asciilifeform there is a hard-ram-bound option, presently unused, and entirely separate from the locks constant. see link in log. [00:31]
scoopbot_revived Former US House Speaker Indicted on Attempting to Evade Financial Surveillance http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-us-house-speaker-indicted-on-attempting-to-evade-financial-surveillance/ [00:31]
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mircea_popescu decimation rather old news at this point, the entire "nsa hoped and lost" [00:35]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147258 << welcome to "we're improving bitcoin" bitcoin. [00:36]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 01:53:57; mod6: lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?! [00:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plz read log. these are not leaks... [00:36]
mircea_popescu im parsing! [00:37]
mod6 :] i read a doc from the igprof site that had me confused on what I was looking at. [00:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147270 << an' use what ? [00:37]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 01:58:35; decimation: this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost [00:37]
mircea_popescu oh okay i see. [00:38]
mircea_popescu somehow i thought we're still looking at valgrind stuffls. [00:39]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah but the interesting thing is to see how they were involved in the early creation of internet protocols [00:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nah this is an entirely other animal, 'igprof.' takes malloc byte counts from a living (!) process [00:39]
asciilifeform which is running still. [00:39]
mircea_popescu by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled [00:40]
asciilifeform to do this, you need http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html [00:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah i see. no clear call on whether they were leaked or not yet. [00:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: snapshot lets you take counts of live allocs as often as you like [00:40]
mircea_popescu yea [00:41]
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asciilifeform any that monotonically increases is candidate for a leak. but mod6's test (and mine) suggests that there are no longer leaks in the classical sense [00:41]
asciilifeform in that the total footprint does not exceed a certain size [00:41]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147327 << the many things alf wants to fit in his mind, and the place where we find his brain is actually 32mb memory. [00:42]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 02:39:30; asciilifeform: in fact, i want it in 32M. [00:42]
decimation they are 'leaks' in the sense that the memory is in use and isn't free [00:42]
asciilifeform decimation: 'leak' has a precise technical definition [00:42]
asciilifeform which is, memory which ought to have been freed, but can -no longer ever be- [00:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i want the thing to shoehorn into, e.g., 'hootoo tripmate' [00:43]
asciilifeform which comes with 32MB [00:44]
mircea_popescu aha [00:45]
mircea_popescu and he's not into anal sex [00:45]
mircea_popescu he just likes shoving hot rods into tiny crevices. [00:45]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [00:45]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NTMMD7.txt ) [00:45]
asciilifeform to each man, his favourite crevice [00:46]
BingoBoingo damn too early [00:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147415 << this is beautifully and amply documented in 'the electronic privacy papers' by (yes) schneier (pre-lobotomy) [00:47]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo old age problems [00:47]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 03:35:55; mircea_popescu: by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled [00:47]
mircea_popescu used to be too late. [00:47]
asciilifeform i have the dead tree [00:47]
asciilifeform (one nice thing about dead trees is that they cannot be doctored remotely) [00:47]
asciilifeform 'the great soviet encyclopaedia' and the 'corrections' mailed to owners, complete with razor for slicing out 'unpersons', notwithstanding [00:48]
asciilifeform (btw it was a very spiffy encyclopaedia and unjustly gets shat on today) [00:49]
asciilifeform incidentally, it would be a mistake to conclude that nsa was specifically raging against rsa and only it [00:50]
asciilifeform but more broadly against crypto research outside of the castle walls, as a class [00:50]
BingoBoingo Well, CPU time used to be expensive for kleptocrats too [00:51]
asciilifeform in late '80s - early '90s, laughably weak symmetric crypto (even rotor machines !) were still in use worldwide, for instance [00:51]
asciilifeform a great many ciphertrons sold by nato cocksucker nations (western europe) were actually electronicized versions of 'enigma'-style rotors [00:52]
decimation asciilifeform: your definition of 'memory leak' seems to be narrower than common parlance [00:53]
asciilifeform decimation: common parlance, as always, is uselessly broad [00:53]
decimation yes, point taken. but what do you call memory that might be a leak, or might not? [00:54]
asciilifeform decimation: you call it 'i need to instrument the thing in real time and find out' [00:54]
asciilifeform alternatively 'i need to fit the code in head' [00:54]
asciilifeform the latter is the only reasonable goal, and the only reasonable purpose of the former is to advance it [00:55]
decimation asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/247-an-interview-with-voja-antonic-gerontogenous-galaksija-genesis/ < that podcast is an interview with voja antonic, who invented an 8-bit 'home computer' that was published in a magazine in yugoslavia [00:57]
asciilifeform decimation: i think every sovblok pesthole had at least two dozen homebrew published z80 things [00:58]
asciilifeform (on top of the mass-produced sinclair clones) [00:58]
decimation in it, he says that he feels that code that is compiled and assembled from a higher level language (higher than assembly) isn't 'his' [00:58]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah I think in this case it was a z80 clone [00:59]
decimation apparently in the yugoslav case it was because it was illegal to buy a foreign device above a certain dollar value - but you could buy the parts and assemble yourself [00:59]
asciilifeform they had genuine z80 !? [01:00]
asciilifeform bought with dollars ?! [01:00]
decimation now, thinking about what the assembly from (say bitcoind) would look like - our slavic human assembler would think that whoever wrote the code was afflicted with a case of 'word salad' madness [01:00]
decimation asciilifeform: I think he said he bought with marks [01:01]
decimation and yes, apparently parts were available [01:01]
asciilifeform decimation: reading disasm of cpp crapolade is a misery [01:01]
* asciilifeform does it regularly, does not relish [01:01]
decimation right, so 'fits in head' fails in all languages higher than assembly, on the c machine [01:02]
decimation because it's the bedrock yo [01:02]
asciilifeform decimation has a point in that even a very trivial cpp proggy can have very peculiar manifest behaviour [01:02]
asciilifeform even aside from cryptozoological animals like gcc errata [01:03]
decimation right, the 'value' of c++ is that you can 'forget' about the crap like 'malloc' 'free' etc [01:03]
decimation but these are precisely what you want to 'fit in head' [01:04]
decimation how to fit std::map and std::vector in head? bastards designed by committee [01:04]
asciilifeform which is why i think that at a certain point the advantage of a 'bitcoin' which can be -understood- will outweigh the danger of failing to enumerate every possible corner case of the original turd when crafting the ada safety-critical bitcoinatron [01:04]
decimation yes. but until that point comes, I agree that there's alot of cruft in there - there's no reason why working memory needs to be gigabytes [01:05]
asciilifeform we'll know when it comes when the folks who have skin in the game say it did.. [01:07]
asciilifeform (see excellent old thread re: this subject) [01:08]
decimation the folks being everyone holding bitcoin (with expectation of trading them for something) [01:09]
decimation asciilifeform: amusingly the yugoslav guy said that 'his' design included an audio cassette for program storage (using simple FSK I presume) [01:11]
asciilifeform that was sop [01:11]
asciilifeform where else are you gonna store [01:11]
decimation he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games [01:11]
* asciilifeform has trouble believing that this came to any good unless you lived next door to the station [01:12]
decimation well, if the SNR was high and the bitrate was low, it would work well enough [01:12]
decimation I suspect it was something like 300 baud "bell 202" type modem [01:12]
* asciilifeform as a boy sometimes listened to his brother's 'bk-0010' tapes [01:13]
asciilifeform we didn't have the thing at home. just the tapes [01:13]
asciilifeform (his school didn't have tape decks, you had to bring yer own if family had one) [01:14]
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decimation heh interesting [01:15]
decimation Yeah before flash and cheap hard drives/floppy drives your only option was tape [01:15]
decimation or 'prom' [01:15]
asciilifeform tape was the mega-storage because just about everyone could beg/borrow/steal a deck [01:15]
asciilifeform no special hardware needed [01:15]
decimation yeah also common and cheap I guess [01:16]
asciilifeform incidentally, long after connecting analogue tape decks to computer was a forgotten misery in the west, ru folks were connecting vcr and getting respectable (10-20G) backup [01:17]
asciilifeform as late as early 2000s [01:17]
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asciilifeform vhs tape can hold a surprising amount (helical scan head!) but tends to rot rather quickly [01:18]
decimation yeah you would need heavy forward error correction [01:19]
mircea_popescu which is why i think that at a certain point >> that point is conceivably after our times. [01:19]
asciilifeform definitely after my time. [01:19]
decimation mircea_popescu: you think folks will make do with shit c++ code for our lifetime? [01:20]
mircea_popescu he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games << i had games i had downloaded off the natl tv station. [01:20]
mircea_popescu CRACKED games. [01:20]
decimation heh that's amusing [01:20]
decimation for c64? [01:20]
asciilifeform decimation: c64 was not a z80 box [01:20]
mircea_popescu for tim-s [01:20]
mircea_popescu which was a z80 clone. [01:20]
decimation yeah I know [01:20]
decimation ah interesting [01:21]
decimation c64 had a version of 6502 like apple II [01:21]
mircea_popescu this was the 48kb + 16kb for basic interpreter thing [01:21]
mircea_popescu but you could also wipe the 16kb if you never called the thing, via DMA of the time [01:22]
mircea_popescu user could poke arbitrary ram [01:22]
mircea_popescu (instruction being called... POKE) [01:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interpreter wasn't in rom on your thing ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu the notion of "allocation" being unknown. of course it's allocated - the machine's on isn't it ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was in rom and copied to the ram at startup iirc [01:22]
asciilifeform ah [01:23]
mircea_popescu not run FROM rom [01:23]
decimation from the comments on that yugoslav interview: "Also, there was not a ?ban on importing computers? in former Yugoslavia ? it was a by-product of a (stupid) government policy of trying to stop the drain of foreign currency. The customs law prevented a legal import of any goods that cost more than 100 DM (German marks, about 50 Euros in todays money). " [01:23]
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asciilifeform exercise for readers: describe -why- it was common (as is today) not to run directly from rom. [01:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'peek' and 'poke' were sop on c64 and most micros of the time, aha [01:25]
asciilifeform the two most useful 'basic' keywords, yes. [01:25]
asciilifeform arguably none of the others needed to be learned.. [01:25]
decimation asciilifeform: was it because loading the contents of the rom into ram allowed a single address space? [01:26]
asciilifeform decimation: it was a single address space no matter what [01:26]
asciilifeform (not one of these things had an mmu, nor was there any conceivable need for such a thing on a single-process os) [01:27]
asciilifeform the reason is that you can do local vars ('static' to a 'c' programmer) in ram [01:27]
asciilifeform but in rom, you need a ram stack/heap and can't simply shit where you eat [01:27]
decimation it seems that you could pull this off [01:28]
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decimation but it would be highly non-portable [01:28]
asciilifeform you can - but it takes planning [01:28]
asciilifeform x86 never runs from rom. not even on warmup when sdram waitstate timer is not yet initialized [01:29]
asciilifeform (how? 'cache as ram' mode of x86 cpu) [01:29]
asciilifeform hypothetically, one could run an x86 box without any ram inserted, given a clever bios made for this occasion. [01:30]
asciilifeform i thought about actually making this, some years ago, as it had useful applications [01:31]
decimation especially with modern cpus that have tons of cache [01:31]
asciilifeform (cpu is warm and 'remanence' is a non-issue. think, crypto.) [01:31]
decimation plus low power, small form factor [01:31]
asciilifeform and no wait-cycles [01:31]
asciilifeform good for data-compact number crunching problems [01:31]
asciilifeform (of the kind i was working on with al schwartz and others) [01:32]
decimation to the poor slav z80 coder, the 'naked' xeon has embarassingly rich resources [01:32]
asciilifeform hell, the 8MB cache of my ancient 'opteron' is more than i had in my 486dx2 [01:32]
asciilifeform (of total ram) [01:32]
decimation asciilifeform: ideally you would want to connect this naked cpu to others via the memory bus [01:34]
decimation but God help the poor soul who would try [01:34]
asciilifeform nah we're talking about off-the-shelf iron [01:34]
asciilifeform and making best use thereof [01:34]
asciilifeform but i have thought about connecting generic x86 boxen via the ram slots [01:34]
decimation well, off the shelf you could attach to a good 10gigE card with netboot [01:34]
asciilifeform $$$$$$$ [01:35]
decimation yeah exactly [01:35]
decimation it would be cheap to use a 1 gige, but it would also have sad throughput [01:35]
asciilifeform ethernet, also, has ludicrous cpu overhead [01:35]
asciilifeform so the maximal throughputs are virtually never reached in practice [01:35]
decimation yeah, especially if ip stack [01:36]
asciilifeform (connection via ram slots is not, as it may appear, lunacy, but could be done with fpga, which would pretend to be a slice of sdram to two boxes at the same time, ignoring refresh cycles and managing locking somehow) [01:37]
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decimation yeah I can imagine it for a pair of cpus, but what if you wanted N cpus? [01:39]
asciilifeform there was an outfit which sold something quite like this (fpga on sdram stick) and even one in the shape of a cpu, which could sit down in ordinary cpu socket on multisocket mb [01:39]
decimation I suppose a ring of some sort [01:39]
asciilifeform but it got nsa'd [01:39]
asciilifeform ring, yes [01:40]
asciilifeform or preferably 2d fabric [01:40]
asciilifeform (compass arrows) [01:40]
decimation yeah [01:40]
asciilifeform hell, crossbars. [01:40]
asciilifeform i assume that the folks who a) want this b) can afford it --- have it. [01:40]
asciilifeform as always. [01:41]
decimation yeah, but if they can afford it they can also probably also afford to design a custom motherboard [01:43]
asciilifeform economy of scale [01:44]
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asciilifeform can get that many more generic turdboards for same price [01:44]
asciilifeform ever since the '1024 chickens' transition, that is generally how it was done [01:44]
asciilifeform folks with infinite money do bake own mb, yes [01:46]
asciilifeform but even there, there are not ten thousand on one board [01:46]
asciilifeform usually there is some interconnection bus. [01:46]
asciilifeform (between boards) [01:46]
decimation the original 'cray' machines used differential ecl lines [01:46]
asciilifeform 'hippi' aha [01:47]
asciilifeform or what was it. [01:47]
decimation "Each cable between the modules was a twisted pair, cut to a specific length in order to guarantee the signals arrived at precisely the right time and minimize electrical reflection. Each signal produced by the ECL circuitry was a differential pair, so the signals were balanced. " < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1 [01:50]
asciilifeform exotic then, but today every piece of shit lcd is plugged in through something entirely like this. [01:51]
decimation heh yeah. or pcie [01:52]
asciilifeform just about anything. [01:52]
asciilifeform try find a pc mb without 'meanders' [01:52]
decimation well, with clock rates above 500 mhz, your pcb starts to look like an rf transmission line [01:54]
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mircea_popescu arguably none of the others needed to be learned.. randomize usr eh. [02:29]
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mircea_popescu "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol [02:38]
mircea_popescu alternatively, it would be 72 cubits high, translucent, ageless, nonmenstruating and deliver pregnancy to term within the day [02:38]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/stoya/status/604010790950150144 [02:42]
mircea_popescu mostly because http://trenchcoatx.com/about lulz. "We believe in high quality product, fair prices for the consumer, and fair pay for the people who work for us. Right now we’re in beta, figuring out how these values fit into today’s adult entertainment industry. " [02:46]
mircea_popescu glhf. the problems of being born in the 80s, ie, too late. [02:47]
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punkman http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/ [04:46]
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mircea_popescu amusingly, this is EXACTLY how communists ran their industry in romania of the 60s [04:54]
mircea_popescu "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" [04:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00031723 = 4.0923 BTC [+] [04:55]
mircea_popescu "eRadiators makes the data more secure: "It becomes nearly impossible to know what data is where, when it is there and how to get to it," Nerdalize's Florian Schneider told the BBC." [04:56]
mircea_popescu yeah, right. [04:56]
mircea_popescu and i have a bridge to sell. [04:57]
punkman I wonder how they'll keep the workload at 1kw when the box doesn't have work to do, run some useless code? [05:06]
punkman maybe cpu-mine bitcoin for a couple satoshis :P [05:07]
punkman mircea_popescu: "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" << "Academica has installed a new 2MW database server centre ... Water warmed while cooling the servers will go on to provide heat for 500 homes or 1,000 flats ... After the heat is extracted, the water will be recycled back to cool the servers again." [05:14]
punkman not a bad approach if you don't have to suffer the smog I guess [05:14]
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punkman and some frenchies with the same idea http://www.qarnot-computing.com/technology [05:19]
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jurov quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise [07:04]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, http://sidewalkcircus.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/baskethead.jpg [09:03]
mircea_popescu punkman the correct way to do this would be with heat exchangers of course. [09:04]
mircea_popescu but the arrangement prolly more expensive than the dc [09:04]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell Vexual maxpeers 1 addpeer local doesn't test behaviour against torrential 'orphan' crapolade, and other wild things [10:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:34]
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asciilifeform in other news, [10:35]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195115_MEM_LIVE.txt and http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195115_MEM_MAX.txt [10:35]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam. [10:39]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 07:42:01; punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/ [10:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23694 @ 0.00033482 = 7.9332 BTC [+] [10:39]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state) [10:43]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 05:34:06; mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol [10:43]
asciilifeform ;;later tell jurov 'Source Code Browser' link on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html appears to point to unpatched generic 0.5.3 ? [10:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:46]
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asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195921_end_total.txt << totals after we sigterm bitcoind [10:58]
asciilifeform ^ not especially useful, afaik [10:58]
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* mod6 looks [10:59]
mod6 btw my test with both of your patches {thermonuke} + {tx amputation} is at 193988 [11:00]
asciilifeform mod6: post pmap -x -p [yourprocessid] plz [11:01]
mod6 ok. -p doens't seem to be a thing... [11:04]
mod6 one sec [11:04]
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mircea_popescu hey check it out, nsa-dev goes to join ver-foundation in the pile of relevancy ? [20:17]
mircea_popescu this is good for bitcoin. [20:17]
mircea_popescu !rated sipa [20:20]
assbot You have not rated sipa. [20:20]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell sipa if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, i'll rate you so you can voice. [20:20]
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mircea_popescu !rated BlueMatt [20:20]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << incidentally, the fact that this has been funded is proof positive that bezzle IT industry broadly agrees with me : moore's law is dead. [20:23]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 07:42:01; punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/ [20:23]
mircea_popescu there's no expectation the contents of the boxes be obsolete any time before it amortises. [20:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147632 << i do, whenever i write by hand. the women and nurses can usually read it, but not really anyone else. [20:25]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 10:00:11; jurov: quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise [20:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147659 << obviously eats your air. engineering assumption being "where could we get a fixed 20 degrees source ?", otherwise who'd bother with the meatsacks. [20:27]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam. [20:27]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147662 << in principle, but this is eminently one of those cases where the difference between theory and practice is that in practice theory does not exist. [20:28]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 13:39:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state) [20:28]
mircea_popescu "in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, while in practice theory does not exist." fify! [20:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147678 << does your 32 mb inner core feel encouraged by this ? :D [20:30]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 14:03:10; asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868 [20:30]
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mircea_popescu as BingoBoingo points out, this has been a very high lulz week. [20:45]
mircea_popescu price increase incoming ? [20:45]
BingoBoingo MPOE price is moving up [20:45]
mircea_popescu oh that it is huh. [20:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, the one interesting tidbit in all this : one difference between current bitcoin and hearn-bitcoin is that the latter replaces Jeff Garzik's DNS seed with the seed run by one Addy Yeow. [20:47]
BingoBoingo Also this is only high lolz compared to recent weeks. We're probably still below December's lolz levels still. [20:47]
mircea_popescu rather than simply getting rid of it. [20:47]
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mircea_popescu this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome. [20:47]
mircea_popescu not just from a "must be in there for we need all the dns-carried pores imported via glibc etc", but also in the much lower level "who's in charge of the it!!1" thing [20:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32533 @ 0.00032246 = 10.4906 BTC [-] {2} [20:48]
mircea_popescu (addy yeow aka ayeowch, "bitnodes" bs) [20:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147702 << "the troops are just right over the horizon" and "real america supports me, for i am not a crook". [20:51]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 16:18:27; punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration." [20:51]
BingoBoingo Ah, the nodecounter that only counts post Hearnfork1 nodes [20:51]
mircea_popescu is socialism ever getting a new playbook ? [20:51]
BingoBoingo Of course software developers get no say. The say goes to the content farms in the Phillipines. [20:52]
mircea_popescu "i paid someone to make five hundred thousand fake facebook pages that like me, SO THERE1!1" [20:52]
mircea_popescu anyway, gavin best lolcow of 2015. [20:52]
mircea_popescu i remember the sad days when all we had was kludge the banker and ponzi the smooth operator. [20:53]
mircea_popescu got slightly better once mtgox got finished, but not by much. that year's lolcow promotion was delulded fatso, the pageantry genius with her "chamber of commerce", that schmuck in ny that meanwhile got sent to "privately practice" with his privates... [20:54]
mircea_popescu 2014 wasn't altogether bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to 2015 so far. [20:54]
mircea_popescu drastically humiliated cantor fitzgerald vp, drastically humiliated nsa assets, i can't wait for autumn. [20:57]
mircea_popescu oh, and lets not forget http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1147141 [20:57]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 22:27:06; cazalla: i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website) [20:57]
BingoBoingo "muricademia also getting pretty lulzy this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/29/laura_kipnis_title_ix_investigation_feminism_political_correctness_controversy.html [20:57]
mircea_popescu mildly humiliated us marshalls service and slightly more humiliated federal prosecutors. tho both of these being public servants, they can do a lot better than this. [20:58]
mircea_popescu slate still exists huh [20:58]
BingoBoingo Yeah, hard for them not too. [20:58]
BingoBoingo They still have enough name of their own that they can cut their expenses gawker style without collecting as much gawker stench [20:59]
mircea_popescu now this is a point [20:59]
mircea_popescu gawker was somehow the loss leader in that, but otherwise "industry"-wide it's been a serious case of "work for free or don't work at all, for money there isn't". [21:00]
cazalla i overstated that tbh.. most of it has been removed, there are a few remnants but the majority is gone [21:00]
mircea_popescu which, inasmuch as it's factually correct, is what it is. [21:00]
mircea_popescu cazalla screenshotted teh remnants ? [21:00]
mircea_popescu "On Friday, Kipnis published another piece in the Chronicle, revealing that, in a twist that's ironic on more than one level, she is now the subject of an investigation into graduate student complaints that her earlier column and a subsequent tweet violated Title IX, the law that prohibits sex descrimination in education." [21:01]
mircea_popescu i do not get how this is "ironic" [21:01]
cazalla most of it is pdf and xls files such as www.usmarshals.gov/readingroom/foia_logs/2014_foia_log.xlsx [21:01]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as the woman's public communication is being indicted for failing to kow-tow to idiocy, it'd seem this is just cultural-revolution style maoism. [21:01]
cazalla still shows foia requests unresolved [21:02]
mircea_popescu cazalla ahahaha idiots. same derps did this purge job that did thew original reddit "bitcoin blocks consensus" purge job ? [21:02]
BingoBoingo Ironically the definition of irony used on the ESL interwebz has expanded so much it has no meaning. It nao has as much meaning as "a" or "the" [21:02]
mircea_popescu cazalla "Error: Network error." lol archive no werk [21:05]
cazalla who knows who or if it was explicitly done or deleted along with other stuff as part of usms routine [21:08]
cazalla so if anyone can enlighten me.. what typically happens to those that find themselves in prison during the collapse of a nation? [21:09]
mircea_popescu depends. one counterfitter was freed from bastille. [21:18]
mircea_popescu gheorghe gheorghiu dej went from common criminal to head of romanian state in a decade [21:18]
mircea_popescu generally, the actual criminals do quite well. [21:18]
mircea_popescu deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt [21:18]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [21:18]
mircea_popescu ah come on! [21:18]
trinque I've asked numerous times for a list of URLs people want whitelisted. [21:19]
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trinque I assume I should add trilema :D [21:19]
mircea_popescu trinque no but just don't check url [21:19]
mircea_popescu the idea being, ifsomeone absuses it we just negrate him. [21:19]
trinque I suppose I can dial back the paranoia [21:19]
mircea_popescu ty. [21:19]
mircea_popescu gotta give people enough room to fail, otherwise people can't be good. [21:19]
trinque that's reasonable [21:20]
trinque when I build new things I tend to err towards caution [21:20]
mircea_popescu understandabru [21:20]
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trinque mircea_popescu: ok give it another go [21:23]
mircea_popescu deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt [21:23]
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mircea_popescu yay [21:24]
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cazalla check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions [21:25]
mircea_popescu how's this supposed to work. [21:25]
mircea_popescu Summary Status: Disconnected lolk [21:25]
cazalla apparently you bloat unconfirmed tx so that it's great than 1mb and then you point and say see, we need an increase cause i gotta wait 20m instead of 10m for 1 confirmation [21:26]
mircea_popescu uhhh [21:26]
mircea_popescu except this doesn't work lol. [21:26]
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mircea_popescu old coinbases still get priority. [21:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00031931 = 15.2949 BTC [-] {2} [21:27]
mircea_popescu not to even mention... fee paying txn [21:27]
cazalla well they probably don't have anything older than a few days anyway [21:27]
mircea_popescu the beauty of this being that if you have say 1000btc in one chunk [21:28]
mircea_popescu spending anything out of it makes BOTH the little you spent and the 999.x remainder NEW coinbases. [21:28]
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cazalla some coincidence a bunch of folk on /r/bitcoin get together to stress test the same day gavin threatens to take his ball/bat and go home with hearn [21:34]
mircea_popescu imagine the "stress test" if the blocks ACTUALLY WERE 20mb. [21:34]
mircea_popescu one can always spin up an arbitrary number of spammy txn. [21:34]
midnightmagic Likely whoever it is who's paying the /r/bitcoin shills has an agenda, just like everyone else.. [21:34]
mircea_popescu "Kipnis was not allowed to have an attorney present during her interview with Title IX investigators, she writes, but she was allowed to bring along another faculty member as a "support person" provided that the person she brought did not speak. That support person later discussed Kipnis' situation at a "Faculty Senate" meeting—and has subsequently been accused of, yes, committing a Title IX violation." [21:36]
mircea_popescu pretty lulzy. [21:36]
mircea_popescu i think ima start "tit 1337" investigations of random people nao. [21:36]
mircea_popescu why the fuck not even. [21:36]
williamdunne midnightmagic: I think its most likely just stupid people, nothing nefarious [21:37]
williamdunne Well [21:37]
williamdunne Outside of the stupidity that is [21:37]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ? [21:38]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 16:29:47; danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32 [21:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147755 << seems adequate. "you mean kid in a dorm somewhere dared do something we disagree with on an ideological level ?!!!1?!?!?!" [21:42]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/ross-ulbricht-gets-life-in-silk-roa [21:42]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147766 << pretty much the entirety of the us claims in this case are puff. [21:43]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 21:17:31; trinque: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents [21:43]
decimation yeah but life in prison? [21:43]
mircea_popescu they got money burnin holes in their pockets absolutely must buy guy's meal and doctor visits. [21:44]
cazalla t-bone and chorizo and then a couple persimmons for breakfast.. i am so snake full [21:44]
mircea_popescu what do you suppose is the difference between this life in prison and that life in prison anyway ? not like he was gonna buy himself a house. [21:44]
decimation he could 'buy' 'a house' though [21:44]
mircea_popescu so he did. [21:44]
cazalla don't forget the 180m he owns USG despite em selling his proceeds [21:45]
mircea_popescu honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all [21:45]
mircea_popescu you can just paint or w/e it is you wanted to do. [21:45]
mircea_popescu become a literary critic. [21:45]
cazalla but the food.. [21:46]
mircea_popescu eh, it's about on par with what people generally eat. [21:46]
cazalla he'll be eating grilled cheese off the radiator [21:46]
williamdunne cazalla: Owes 18m, they removed what they gained from selling the coins [21:46]
decimation apparently in the us the strain of e.coli that eats your colon is considered to be an 'adulterant' in beef [21:47]
mircea_popescu williamdunne and the part they didn't sell because their own agents stole ? removed that too ? [21:47]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:47]
decimation but in chicken, simonella (which can eat your brain) isn't [21:47]
mircea_popescu salmonella ? [21:47]
BingoBoingo honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all << Get yourself Bariatric, then get the life sentence for maximum cost infliction [21:47]
cazalla williamdunne, where do you get that from? justice.gov says "In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921." [21:47]
williamdunne Can't remember which article I read it on [21:48]
williamdunne But yeah [21:48]
trinque does this come out of his deodorant and titty magazine account in prison? [21:48]
mircea_popescu lol [21:48]
williamdunne Said that while he was ordered to forfeit that much they consider what they sold to contribute towards it [21:48]
decimation yeah salmonella [21:48]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Its not like that is the USGs responsibility [21:48]
mircea_popescu decimation very unfair contrast, this. e coli is natural gut fauna. salmonella is never found in healthy humans. [21:49]
decimation apparently this comes from a court case in the 1970's [21:49]
decimation where the chicken lobby argued that it would be insulting to the housewives of america if the government said that they couldn't handle some salmonella contamination [21:49]
BingoBoingo salmonella ? << It Birds and reptiles it is part of their normal flora. Can't be considered an adultrant [21:49]
mircea_popescu but we're feeding us, not them [21:49]
decimation BingoBoingo: but e.coli is in beef [21:50]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Depends on the strain of e. coli [21:50]
mircea_popescu the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic [21:50]
mircea_popescu these are about as unlike as steel and arsenic. [21:51]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding you can make a steel sword and behead someone [21:51]
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BingoBoingo the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic << unless you are a chicken or turtle... then salmonella is just normal poop bacteria [21:51]
mircea_popescu well sure, i guess chicken fda has a diff take [21:52]
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BingoBoingo Most people who self diagnose salmonella usually actually test positive for campylobacter anyways when chikken makes em sick [21:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147779 << goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street. [21:55]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 21:22:42; decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? [21:55]
mircea_popescu check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D [21:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147788 << this is exactly irrelevant for anyone in the past. obviously, if trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head, it then follows that trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head. what of this is germane to any discussion of trotsky in any positive approach ? [21:59]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 21:25:41; ascii_field: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace [21:59]
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mircea_popescu is it related to his tooth brushing habits ? is it a function of being loose with women ? [21:59]
mircea_popescu that is the point. to fall from grace there must be a grace first. there isn't. [21:59]
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BingoBoingo lol http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/#comment-25130 [22:00]
mircea_popescu https://i.imgur.com/OEqzSmC.png << bwahahaha. [22:01]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, cazalla and i : bringing wtf to fb normies since a while ago. [22:02]
cazalla normies get out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAO92foBwA [22:02]
BingoBoingo best thumbnail [22:03]
mircea_popescu dude can't even screem wtf. [22:03]
mircea_popescu sounds liek a prison rape. [22:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147807 << quite exactly. [22:04]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 21:45:33; trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own [22:04]
mircea_popescu once something gains legal relevance, there's no way to keep it from becoming severed. [22:04]
BingoBoingo So it seems we have a young stray cat in the neighborhood that really likes it's dinner still screaming. [22:06]
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cazalla keel it! fuck i hate cats [22:07]
BingoBoingo All last night, every 15 minutes, squeak squeak squeak as it plays with another mouse for quite a while liek it is eating a korean octopus dish [22:07]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I didn't even interupt it. As much as I hated the noise, better it gets the mice than the mice get inside [22:07]
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cazalla what harm is a field mouse? [22:08]
BingoBoingo if it gets inside it shits everywhere and dies [22:08]
mircea_popescu "As I've written before, Silk Road was undoubtedly a net positive for the health, safety, and liberty of most of its customers and sellers. " [22:08]
mircea_popescu random commentator on internets has an excewllent point [22:08]
mircea_popescu that the defense failed to call out the moral-panic powered prosecution [22:08]
mircea_popescu and to point out that the only person being helpful to the community in that room is the accused, [22:09]
mircea_popescu whereas the rest of the derps are essentially going on a "holy shit something we never heard of before- BURN THE WITHCq!1" [22:09]
mircea_popescu is perhaps the major-est failure in known legal history. [22:09]
mircea_popescu whenever anyone tells you that fucktarded "he who represents himself has a fool for a client", do remember : at least it won't be as bad as the silk road defense. [22:10]
williamdunne The lawyers derped there, big time [22:10]
mircea_popescu nothing one can do accidentally or untinentionally can ever be as bad as the deliberate, calculated poison the officers of the court masquerading as "defense counsel" put forth. [22:10]
BingoBoingo Dratel was the worst. Even Matlock would have done better and he's dead nao. [22:11]
cazalla BingoBoingo, but cats shit every where too [22:11]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Feral cats tend to not make it inside and outside of winter they don't really try to either [22:12]
cazalla i can't say i've ever had a problem with mice or know of anyone that has down under.. cats though? huge problem, huge shits, lots of noise [22:13]
cazalla fyi http://i.imgur.com/sr1rQaa.png [22:15]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147945 << http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/05/29#l1432915387.0 [22:16]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 00:34:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ? [22:16]
mircea_popescu !rate cusipzzz -10 ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean. [22:17]
decimation mircea_popescu: what conversation were you referencing "goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street" [22:17]
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assbot Successfully added a rating of -10 for cusipzzz with note: ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean. [22:18]
BingoBoingo Well, for what it is worth this cat sucks at being feral. I went out for a cig and it was just sitting under a tree. Might be someone wanted an outdoor cat as a pet. [22:18]
mircea_popescu and that goes to the rest of you fuckheads. 1) i know who all of you are. this because your overlords can't keep secrets worth a shit. 2) my people are intangible or you get fucked. [22:18]
BingoBoingo cazalla: You forget we have farms, woods, and native wild bunnies [22:18]
mircea_popescu should be simple enough., [22:18]
BingoBoingo Oh, -otc basically a trap nao? [22:20]
danielpbarron defo [22:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo -otc has all teh "relevancy" one could ever wish for. [22:20]
BingoBoingo I kinda thought as much [22:25]
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midnightmagic williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) [22:41]
midnightmagic And they get paid by people they never met. [22:41]
williamdunne Sure, I know shills exist, I was offered some myself [22:42]
williamdunne I just thing the vast majority of the people are just derping [22:42]
mircea_popescu this is broadly true, but much like the guy with the red stapler, that vast majority doesn't actually take the time and effort to prop conde nast's numbers while derping [22:43]
mircea_popescu they just derp to themselves. [22:43]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up [22:49]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 00:20:52; cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions [22:49]
BingoBoingo midnightmagic> williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) << It was Coinfire. They've done a few excellent stories in their history, but the way they operate is just so fucking... odd [22:49]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo afaik it's just a hard working guy that is completely misguided as to what constitutes business etc. [22:50]
mircea_popescu "professional" [22:50]
williamdunne Won't even own any bitcoin because it could make him 'biased' [22:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That and he's got a few fresh off the reddit faces he finds to help throw up occasional extra stories [22:51]
mircea_popescu williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? [22:52]
mircea_popescu fresh off a community college course in "introduction to journalism" from wichita ? [22:52]
midnightmagic I'd heard of that guy. That's the coinfire guy is it? Huh. [22:52]
williamdunne Financial Times writers no longer allowed to hold any commodity, currency, or other tradable asset. [22:53]
mircea_popescu yeah, because they were going to. all bought on the generous pay their prestigious position with the times allows them. [22:54]
mircea_popescu they can buy either 0 shares of any stock or no less than 0 contracts in any future. [22:54]
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BingoBoingo williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? << Whichever Timothy go hooked into working for Vox faced this dilemma. Staid with Vox to his peril [22:57]
scoopbot_revived The greatest failure in modern legal history, the story of Joshua Dratel http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/ [22:57]
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mircea_popescu also http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-145.0-149.0 to go with that article. [23:12]
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decimation representing yourself in us court is a recipie for disaster - the government clerks do not take kindly to people [23:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty very much for the timing of that one [23:17]
mircea_popescu sure o.O [23:18]
BingoBoingo decimation: You can hire a lawyer, but you gotta make sure they understand they are the hired help. They deal with the clerks and the bitchwork. You do the reading and make the decisions. [23:18]
BingoBoingo Now how long we gotta wait on scoopy... [23:19]
scoopbot_revived Some Other People Sentenced This Month in US Courts http://qntra.net/2015/05/some-other-people-sentenced-this-month-in-us-courts/ [23:19]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo if you can find someone like this, it'll usually be a paralegal. [23:19]
* BingoBoingo presently has a "good christian lawyer" [23:20]
decimation A friend told me about how a local inspector came to examine his house (which he was building himself). The inspector told him that he should have hired a professional to do the plumbing (he did, but represented his own house to the inspector) [23:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: but yeah you hire them for their license and make em paralegal for you [23:21]
decimation the inspector failed the plumbing on many counts. meanwhile the plumber who did the work had similar work passed by the same inspector on a different job [23:21]
mircea_popescu "Danish Syed (archived) was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his half brother move to Pakistan." o.O [23:21]
decimation My point is that if you represent yourself you are going to be 'presumed guilty of failing to genuflect before the government appropriately' [23:21]
mircea_popescu well, in cases which are essentially this to begin with... [23:21]
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decimation exactly. [23:22]
decimation well, this calls to mind the 'trial' of georges danton [23:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: On that one basically the half brother milked some fiat fails and went to Pakistan when charges hit. Syed helped some of his cash return to him. [23:22]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wow check it out, woman betrayed teh pakistani ring! [23:23]
BingoBoingo Tends to happen. [23:23]
mircea_popescu "Chrisopher Serna (archived) was sentenced to 50 years in prison by a Florida court for cutting off his girlfriend's head and sticking it on a pole." [23:24]
mircea_popescu o.O [23:24]
asciilifeform in other news: [23:24]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/crate.jpg [23:24]
mircea_popescu i like qntra. [23:25]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And Serna is young enough to potentially leave jail after the full sentence [23:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? [23:25]
williamdunne qntra is good [23:25]
BingoBoingo It's amaxing the filtering we happened upon. WHen nothing happens... qntra slows share creation slows. WHen shit goes down qntra heats up again. [23:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Is that the other kind of board? [23:26]
mircea_popescu "If they continue imprisoning their betters the result is going to be technically savvy warlords." [23:26]
decimation 50 years is less than life [23:26]
mircea_popescu should bne interesting to see irl. [23:26]
decimation apparently mr. silk road should have just beheaded random women [23:26]
mircea_popescu decimation too late for him [23:26]
mircea_popescu apparently EVERYONE ELSE should. preferably, starting wit hthe civil service. [23:27]
BingoBoingo decimation: Nah, known women. Known is a mitigating circumstance [23:27]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147865 << good nyooz then, i'm loading the pistol to shoot the last vestiges of dns-in-bitcoin in the head as we speak [23:27]
assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 23:43:29; mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome. [23:27]
decimation asciilifeform: how to replace? .conf with ips? [23:27]
asciilifeform and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd. [23:27]
asciilifeform (or not, and pass seed ip on commandline as discussed in old thread) [23:28]
BingoBoingo 50 years is less than life << This kinda depends on the age of the person at time of sentencing [23:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nb. [23:29]
decimation asciilifeform: and then discover peers by asking the seed about his connections? [23:29]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147958 << prisoners in usa are 'civil dead', i.e. they cannot communicate securely or pgp-sign. ask ted kazynski. so i'll take that bullet plz [23:32]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 00:40:56; mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all [23:32]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/604474262259265536 [23:32]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform eh, privacy is overrated. especially in old age. [23:32]
trinque mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << ftr I agree with this 100%. this struck me years ago, occupies my mind daily [23:32]
mircea_popescu !up baghodler [23:33]
mircea_popescu trinque aha! [23:33]
trinque one doesn't get to deny the blood they're covered in because "oh I wouldn't do that if I were fuhrer" [23:33]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147996 << he fell from grace. let me know when buffet, musk, gates, thiel - starve. [23:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo thats a point. [23:33]
trinque great comic too [23:33]
-assbot- You voiced baghodler for 30 minutes. [23:33]
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assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 00:51:24; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D [23:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what grace is this ? [23:34]
mircea_popescu note that for it to be accepted in the discussion, it must exist prior to the event, not merely be constructed ex post facto as a contrapositive. [23:34]
williamdunne mm asslag again [23:35]
williamdunne Guessing its freenode servers [23:35]
decimation it is interesting that they tried to stick hastert with this 'you lied to us about your cash' law [23:36]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148054 << with or without my two skull'n'crossbone patches ? [23:36]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 01:44:59; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up [23:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'grace' in the very general sense that these folks are untouchable (see gary condit, who even got away with killing a fucktoy) until they aren't. [23:39]
danielpbarron without [23:39]
asciilifeform asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? << next best thing. sealed sony trinitron, of what i think is the largest 4:3 size that was made. [23:40]
BingoBoingo Nice [23:40]
asciilifeform GDM-5402 [23:41]
decimation I had a 21 inch trinitron back in the day [23:41]
decimation took to the dump a few years ago [23:41]
BingoBoingo First stint of grad school I was so pissed when fucking druggy never returned my 9" trinitron [23:41]
asciilifeform 2048X1536@75Hz, 1600x1280@96Hz [23:41]
cazalla 144hz master race [23:42]
decimation thing was a heavy bastard [23:42]
asciilifeform this one is ~40kg [23:42]
decimation I'm surprised they don't use those in medical applications where contrast is crtical [23:43]
asciilifeform rather like the identical but aged, dim unit i have already on other desk [23:43]
asciilifeform decimation: they did until very recently [23:43]
asciilifeform (they do not, as we all know, last forever) [23:43]
* BingoBoingo had a nice 9" trinitron rf signal display machine with integrated optical disk player. A historical, more trusting Bingo loaned it to a neighbor and gone. [23:43]
decimation I suppose lcds are getting better w.r.t. contrast [23:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the ntsc trinitrons are not comparable [23:44]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not at all, but compared to cheap LED's [23:44]
BingoBoingo *LCD's [23:44]
decimation thost little guide wires on the screen always made me a little happy [23:44]
asciilifeform decimation: remember the knock-offs without the guidewires ? [23:44]
decimation heh yeah [23:45]
decimation was always easy to tell [23:45]
BingoBoingo * asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens << Sometimes... the content is already ntsc encoded... [23:45]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/qntra/status/604477372625068033 [23:46]
decimation yeah I remember playing nintendo on an ntsc trinitron, was better than random shit tv [23:48]
BingoBoingo Oh, I wasn't using this for games, but that would have been grand. I was right by a PBS station and could watch "The Victory Garden" in all its glory [23:49]
asciilifeform thinking of buying three more of the gdm-5402 and replacing my 'eizo's [23:50]
asciilifeform but not sure if house wiring can handle it [23:50]
decimation heh. I don't think they take that much power do they? [23:50]
asciilifeform or whether my desk will auger in [23:50]
decimation I guess 200 watts [23:50]
decimation yeah that's probably the first thing to fail [23:50]
decimation heh 70 lbs [23:51]
BingoBoingo or whether my desk will auger in << What else are the studs in the walls for if not bearing weight? [23:51]
asciilifeform my doubleconverter ups would probably catch fire [23:51]
asciilifeform it's already at ~70% load [23:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this hovel, interestingly, has steel frame. first time i lived in such a thing. a real bitch to hang up anything in [23:52]
asciilifeform the only time i drilled it, broke three ordinary bits before waking up and going out to the machine shop to fetch a boron nitride one [23:52]
BingoBoingo Amazing. So you actually do have a frame that can handle pretty much whatever weight UPS packages can throw at it without bumping your shit down to "freight" treatment. [23:53]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:53]
BingoBoingo ^lol labcoin reference [23:53]
asciilifeform wai wat [23:54]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2013#296505 [23:55]
assbot Logged on 09-09-2013 19:00:25; kakobrekla: amazing company [23:55]
decimation asciilifeform: actually this is probably a good faraday cage for low frequencies [23:55]
decimation your steel frame walls [23:55]
BingoBoingo decimation: I doubt he's as worried about submarines listening as... vans [23:56]
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