Forum logs for 29 May 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13748 @ 0.00032704 = 4.4961 BTC [+] | [00:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73528 @ 0.00031891 = 23.4488 BTC [-] | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | o look at that | [00:10] |
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mircea_popescu | mthreat interesting. so basically they run them looser and with a momentum-consuming groove in one spot. | [00:16] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu is awake ! | [00:19] |
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mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes> why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform << this is two degrees of magnitude easier, at least. | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | none of it is hard. | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | but, | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | magical allocators are entirely the wrong place to begin. | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | that is how you get shitgnomatrons in the first place | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | (that is, by plastering over retardation with magic) | [00:22] |
mircea_popescu | lol "dark market coupons" | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | if, -after we nuke all of the powerranger cruft- - we end up having to go there - then we go there. | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | not before. | [00:22] |
mod6 | makes sense. | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla i think she has a point actually. deed the pages, that's proof enough. and as the derps probably don't know (or don't know they should know), we might even catch a diddled page. maybe. | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform "as far as we know" tm, there's no effect. | [00:26] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: re: which ? | [00:27] |
mircea_popescu | the berkley db mem allocation | [00:28] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i get a ballooning all the way to ~23M during first few hours of runtime, where it stays (based on pmap data) | [00:29] |
asciilifeform | just for bdb | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | i think it pre-allocates locks or something | [00:29] |
asciilifeform | according to docs, this is not a hard necessity. | [00:30] |
mircea_popescu | well no, just how it does it | [00:30] |
asciilifeform | there is a hard-ram-bound option, presently unused, and entirely separate from the locks constant. see link in log. | [00:31] |
scoopbot_revived | Former US House Speaker Indicted on Attempting to Evade Financial Surveillance http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-us-house-speaker-indicted-on-attempting-to-evade-financial-surveillance/ | [00:31] |
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mircea_popescu | decimation rather old news at this point, the entire "nsa hoped and lost" | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147258 << welcome to "we're improving bitcoin" bitcoin. | [00:36] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 01:53:57; mod6: lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?! | [00:36] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: plz read log. these are not leaks... | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | im parsing! | [00:37] |
mod6 | :] i read a doc from the igprof site that had me confused on what I was looking at. | [00:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147270 << an' use what ? | [00:37] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 01:58:35; decimation: this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost | [00:37] |
mircea_popescu | oh okay i see. | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | somehow i thought we're still looking at valgrind stuffls. | [00:39] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: yeah but the interesting thing is to see how they were involved in the early creation of internet protocols | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: nah this is an entirely other animal, 'igprof.' takes malloc byte counts from a living (!) process | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | which is running still. | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | to do this, you need http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yeah i see. no clear call on whether they were leaked or not yet. | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: snapshot lets you take counts of live allocs as often as you like | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [00:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00031228 = 8.1505 BTC [-] {2} | [00:41] |
asciilifeform | any that monotonically increases is candidate for a leak. but mod6's test (and mine) suggests that there are no longer leaks in the classical sense | [00:41] |
asciilifeform | in that the total footprint does not exceed a certain size | [00:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47622 @ 0.00031283 = 14.8976 BTC [+] | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147327 << the many things alf wants to fit in his mind, and the place where we find his brain is actually 32mb memory. | [00:42] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 02:39:30; asciilifeform: in fact, i want it in 32M. | [00:42] |
decimation | they are 'leaks' in the sense that the memory is in use and isn't free | [00:42] |
asciilifeform | decimation: 'leak' has a precise technical definition | [00:42] |
asciilifeform | which is, memory which ought to have been freed, but can -no longer ever be- | [00:43] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i want the thing to shoehorn into, e.g., 'hootoo tripmate' | [00:43] |
asciilifeform | which comes with 32MB | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | and he's not into anal sex | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | he just likes shoving hot rods into tiny crevices. | [00:45] |
BingoBoingo | !b 5 | [00:45] |
assbot | Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NTMMD7.txt ) | [00:45] |
asciilifeform | to each man, his favourite crevice | [00:46] |
BingoBoingo | damn too early | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147415 << this is beautifully and amply documented in 'the electronic privacy papers' by (yes) schneier (pre-lobotomy) | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo old age problems | [00:47] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 03:35:55; mircea_popescu: by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | used to be too late. | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | i have the dead tree | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | (one nice thing about dead trees is that they cannot be doctored remotely) | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | 'the great soviet encyclopaedia' and the 'corrections' mailed to owners, complete with razor for slicing out 'unpersons', notwithstanding | [00:48] |
asciilifeform | (btw it was a very spiffy encyclopaedia and unjustly gets shat on today) | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | incidentally, it would be a mistake to conclude that nsa was specifically raging against rsa and only it | [00:50] |
asciilifeform | but more broadly against crypto research outside of the castle walls, as a class | [00:50] |
BingoBoingo | Well, CPU time used to be expensive for kleptocrats too | [00:51] |
asciilifeform | in late '80s - early '90s, laughably weak symmetric crypto (even rotor machines !) were still in use worldwide, for instance | [00:51] |
asciilifeform | a great many ciphertrons sold by nato cocksucker nations (western europe) were actually electronicized versions of 'enigma'-style rotors | [00:52] |
decimation | asciilifeform: your definition of 'memory leak' seems to be narrower than common parlance | [00:53] |
asciilifeform | decimation: common parlance, as always, is uselessly broad | [00:53] |
decimation | yes, point taken. but what do you call memory that might be a leak, or might not? | [00:54] |
asciilifeform | decimation: you call it 'i need to instrument the thing in real time and find out' | [00:54] |
asciilifeform | alternatively 'i need to fit the code in head' | [00:54] |
asciilifeform | the latter is the only reasonable goal, and the only reasonable purpose of the former is to advance it | [00:55] |
decimation | asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/247-an-interview-with-voja-antonic-gerontogenous-galaksija-genesis/ < that podcast is an interview with voja antonic, who invented an 8-bit 'home computer' that was published in a magazine in yugoslavia | [00:57] |
asciilifeform | decimation: i think every sovblok pesthole had at least two dozen homebrew published z80 things | [00:58] |
asciilifeform | (on top of the mass-produced sinclair clones) | [00:58] |
decimation | in it, he says that he feels that code that is compiled and assembled from a higher level language (higher than assembly) isn't 'his' | [00:58] |
decimation | asciilifeform: yeah I think in this case it was a z80 clone | [00:59] |
decimation | apparently in the yugoslav case it was because it was illegal to buy a foreign device above a certain dollar value - but you could buy the parts and assemble yourself | [00:59] |
asciilifeform | they had genuine z80 !? | [01:00] |
asciilifeform | bought with dollars ?! | [01:00] |
decimation | now, thinking about what the assembly from (say bitcoind) would look like - our slavic human assembler would think that whoever wrote the code was afflicted with a case of 'word salad' madness | [01:00] |
decimation | asciilifeform: I think he said he bought with marks | [01:01] |
decimation | and yes, apparently parts were available | [01:01] |
asciilifeform | decimation: reading disasm of cpp crapolade is a misery | [01:01] |
* | asciilifeform does it regularly, does not relish | [01:01] |
decimation | right, so 'fits in head' fails in all languages higher than assembly, on the c machine | [01:02] |
decimation | because it's the bedrock yo | [01:02] |
asciilifeform | decimation has a point in that even a very trivial cpp proggy can have very peculiar manifest behaviour | [01:02] |
asciilifeform | even aside from cryptozoological animals like gcc errata | [01:03] |
decimation | right, the 'value' of c++ is that you can 'forget' about the crap like 'malloc' 'free' etc | [01:03] |
decimation | but these are precisely what you want to 'fit in head' | [01:04] |
decimation | how to fit std::map and std::vector in head? bastards designed by committee | [01:04] |
asciilifeform | which is why i think that at a certain point the advantage of a 'bitcoin' which can be -understood- will outweigh the danger of failing to enumerate every possible corner case of the original turd when crafting the ada safety-critical bitcoinatron | [01:04] |
decimation | yes. but until that point comes, I agree that there's alot of cruft in there - there's no reason why working memory needs to be gigabytes | [01:05] |
asciilifeform | we'll know when it comes when the folks who have skin in the game say it did.. | [01:07] |
asciilifeform | (see excellent old thread re: this subject) | [01:08] |
decimation | the folks being everyone holding bitcoin (with expectation of trading them for something) | [01:09] |
decimation | asciilifeform: amusingly the yugoslav guy said that 'his' design included an audio cassette for program storage (using simple FSK I presume) | [01:11] |
asciilifeform | that was sop | [01:11] |
asciilifeform | where else are you gonna store | [01:11] |
decimation | he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games | [01:11] |
* | asciilifeform has trouble believing that this came to any good unless you lived next door to the station | [01:12] |
decimation | well, if the SNR was high and the bitrate was low, it would work well enough | [01:12] |
decimation | I suspect it was something like 300 baud "bell 202" type modem | [01:12] |
* | asciilifeform as a boy sometimes listened to his brother's 'bk-0010' tapes | [01:13] |
asciilifeform | we didn't have the thing at home. just the tapes | [01:13] |
asciilifeform | (his school didn't have tape decks, you had to bring yer own if family had one) | [01:14] |
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decimation | heh interesting | [01:15] |
decimation | Yeah before flash and cheap hard drives/floppy drives your only option was tape | [01:15] |
decimation | or 'prom' | [01:15] |
asciilifeform | tape was the mega-storage because just about everyone could beg/borrow/steal a deck | [01:15] |
asciilifeform | no special hardware needed | [01:15] |
decimation | yeah also common and cheap I guess | [01:16] |
asciilifeform | incidentally, long after connecting analogue tape decks to computer was a forgotten misery in the west, ru folks were connecting vcr and getting respectable (10-20G) backup | [01:17] |
asciilifeform | as late as early 2000s | [01:17] |
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asciilifeform | vhs tape can hold a surprising amount (helical scan head!) but tends to rot rather quickly | [01:18] |
decimation | yeah you would need heavy forward error correction | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | [01:19] | |
asciilifeform | definitely after my time. | [01:19] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: you think folks will make do with shit c++ code for our lifetime? | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | [01:20] | |
mircea_popescu | CRACKED games. | [01:20] |
decimation | heh that's amusing | [01:20] |
decimation | for c64? | [01:20] |
asciilifeform | decimation: c64 was not a z80 box | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | for tim-s | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | which was a z80 clone. | [01:20] |
decimation | yeah I know | [01:20] |
decimation | ah interesting | [01:21] |
decimation | c64 had a version of 6502 like apple II | [01:21] |
mircea_popescu | this was the 48kb + 16kb for basic interpreter thing | [01:21] |
mircea_popescu | but you could also wipe the 16kb if you never called the thing, via DMA of the time | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | user could poke arbitrary ram | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | (instruction being called... POKE) | [01:22] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: interpreter wasn't in rom on your thing ? | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | the notion of "allocation" being unknown. of course it's allocated - the machine's on isn't it ? | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform it was in rom and copied to the ram at startup iirc | [01:22] |
asciilifeform | ah | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | not run FROM rom | [01:23] |
decimation | from the comments on that yugoslav interview: "Also, there was not a ?ban on importing computers? in former Yugoslavia ? it was a by-product of a (stupid) government policy of trying to stop the drain of foreign currency. The customs law prevented a legal import of any goods that cost more than 100 DM (German marks, about 50 Euros in todays money). " | [01:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33139 @ 0.00031476 = 10.4308 BTC [-] | [01:23] |
asciilifeform | exercise for readers: describe -why- it was common (as is today) not to run directly from rom. | [01:24] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 'peek' and 'poke' were sop on c64 and most micros of the time, aha | [01:25] |
asciilifeform | the two most useful 'basic' keywords, yes. | [01:25] |
asciilifeform | arguably none of the others needed to be learned.. | [01:25] |
decimation | asciilifeform: was it because loading the contents of the rom into ram allowed a single address space? | [01:26] |
asciilifeform | decimation: it was a single address space no matter what | [01:26] |
asciilifeform | (not one of these things had an mmu, nor was there any conceivable need for such a thing on a single-process os) | [01:27] |
asciilifeform | the reason is that you can do local vars ('static' to a 'c' programmer) in ram | [01:27] |
asciilifeform | but in rom, you need a ram stack/heap and can't simply shit where you eat | [01:27] |
decimation | it seems that you could pull this off | [01:28] |
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decimation | but it would be highly non-portable | [01:28] |
asciilifeform | you can - but it takes planning | [01:28] |
asciilifeform | x86 never runs from rom. not even on warmup when sdram waitstate timer is not yet initialized | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | (how? 'cache as ram' mode of x86 cpu) | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | hypothetically, one could run an x86 box without any ram inserted, given a clever bios made for this occasion. | [01:30] |
asciilifeform | i thought about actually making this, some years ago, as it had useful applications | [01:31] |
decimation | especially with modern cpus that have tons of cache | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | (cpu is warm and 'remanence' is a non-issue. think, crypto.) | [01:31] |
decimation | plus low power, small form factor | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | and no wait-cycles | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | good for data-compact number crunching problems | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | (of the kind i was working on with al schwartz and others) | [01:32] |
decimation | to the poor slav z80 coder, the 'naked' xeon has embarassingly rich resources | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | hell, the 8MB cache of my ancient 'opteron' is more than i had in my 486dx2 | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | (of total ram) | [01:32] |
decimation | asciilifeform: ideally you would want to connect this naked cpu to others via the memory bus | [01:34] |
decimation | but God help the poor soul who would try | [01:34] |
asciilifeform | nah we're talking about off-the-shelf iron | [01:34] |
asciilifeform | and making best use thereof | [01:34] |
asciilifeform | but i have thought about connecting generic x86 boxen via the ram slots | [01:34] |
decimation | well, off the shelf you could attach to a good 10gigE card with netboot | [01:34] |
asciilifeform | $$$$$$$ | [01:35] |
decimation | yeah exactly | [01:35] |
decimation | it would be cheap to use a 1 gige, but it would also have sad throughput | [01:35] |
asciilifeform | ethernet, also, has ludicrous cpu overhead | [01:35] |
asciilifeform | so the maximal throughputs are virtually never reached in practice | [01:35] |
decimation | yeah, especially if ip stack | [01:36] |
asciilifeform | (connection via ram slots is not, as it may appear, lunacy, but could be done with fpga, which would pretend to be a slice of sdram to two boxes at the same time, ignoring refresh cycles and managing locking somehow) | [01:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00032766 = 7.8147 BTC [+] {2} | [01:38] |
decimation | yeah I can imagine it for a pair of cpus, but what if you wanted N cpus? | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | there was an outfit which sold something quite like this (fpga on sdram stick) and even one in the shape of a cpu, which could sit down in ordinary cpu socket on multisocket mb | [01:39] |
decimation | I suppose a ring of some sort | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | but it got nsa'd | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | ring, yes | [01:40] |
asciilifeform | or preferably 2d fabric | [01:40] |
asciilifeform | (compass arrows) | [01:40] |
decimation | yeah | [01:40] |
asciilifeform | hell, crossbars. | [01:40] |
asciilifeform | i assume that the folks who a) want this b) can afford it --- have it. | [01:40] |
asciilifeform | as always. | [01:41] |
decimation | yeah, but if they can afford it they can also probably also afford to design a custom motherboard | [01:43] |
asciilifeform | economy of scale | [01:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38444 @ 0.0003267 = 12.5597 BTC [-] | [01:44] |
asciilifeform | can get that many more generic turdboards for same price | [01:44] |
asciilifeform | ever since the '1024 chickens' transition, that is generally how it was done | [01:44] |
asciilifeform | folks with infinite money do bake own mb, yes | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | but even there, there are not ten thousand on one board | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | usually there is some interconnection bus. | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | (between boards) | [01:46] |
decimation | the original 'cray' machines used differential ecl lines | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | 'hippi' aha | [01:47] |
asciilifeform | or what was it. | [01:47] |
decimation | "Each cable between the modules was a twisted pair, cut to a specific length in order to guarantee the signals arrived at precisely the right time and minimize electrical reflection. Each signal produced by the ECL circuitry was a differential pair, so the signals were balanced. " < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1 | [01:50] |
asciilifeform | exotic then, but today every piece of shit lcd is plugged in through something entirely like this. | [01:51] |
decimation | heh yeah. or pcie | [01:52] |
asciilifeform | just about anything. | [01:52] |
asciilifeform | try find a pc mb without 'meanders' | [01:52] |
decimation | well, with clock rates above 500 mhz, your pcb starts to look like an rf transmission line | [01:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00032774 = 15.0105 BTC [+] | [02:16] |
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mircea_popescu | "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol | [02:38] |
mircea_popescu | alternatively, it would be 72 cubits high, translucent, ageless, nonmenstruating and deliver pregnancy to term within the day | [02:38] |
mircea_popescu | https://twitter.com/stoya/status/604010790950150144 | [02:42] |
mircea_popescu | mostly because http://trenchcoatx.com/about lulz. "We believe in high quality product, fair prices for the consumer, and fair pay for the people who work for us. Right now we’re in beta, figuring out how these values fit into today’s adult entertainment industry. " | [02:46] |
mircea_popescu | glhf. the problems of being born in the 80s, ie, too late. | [02:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4306 @ 0.0003267 = 1.4068 BTC [-] | [03:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57650 @ 0.00031605 = 18.2203 BTC [-] {3} | [03:42] |
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punkman | http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/ | [04:46] |
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mircea_popescu | amusingly, this is EXACTLY how communists ran their industry in romania of the 60s | [04:54] |
mircea_popescu | "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" | [04:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00031723 = 4.0923 BTC [+] | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | "eRadiators makes the data more secure: "It becomes nearly impossible to know what data is where, when it is there and how to get to it," Nerdalize's Florian Schneider told the BBC." | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, right. | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | and i have a bridge to sell. | [04:57] |
punkman | I wonder how they'll keep the workload at 1kw when the box doesn't have work to do, run some useless code? | [05:06] |
punkman | maybe cpu-mine bitcoin for a couple satoshis :P | [05:07] |
punkman | mircea_popescu: "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" << "Academica has installed a new 2MW database server centre ... Water warmed while cooling the servers will go on to provide heat for 500 homes or 1,000 flats ... After the heat is extracted, the water will be recycled back to cool the servers again." | [05:14] |
punkman | not a bad approach if you don't have to suffer the smog I guess | [05:14] |
punkman | !up Vexual | [05:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119250 @ 0.00032727 = 39.0269 BTC [+] {4} | [05:18] |
punkman | and some frenchies with the same idea http://www.qarnot-computing.com/technology | [05:19] |
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scoopbot_revived | Planes, trains, automobiles, and atomic dirigibles der Schweiz. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/29/planes-trains-automobiles-and-atomic-dirigibles-der-schweiz/ | [05:29] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53750 @ 0.00031517 = 16.9404 BTC [-] {4} | [08:57] |
mircea_popescu | and in other news, http://sidewalkcircus.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/baskethead.jpg | [09:03] |
mircea_popescu | punkman the correct way to do this would be with heat exchangers of course. | [09:04] |
mircea_popescu | but the arrangement prolly more expensive than the dc | [09:04] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00032721 = 6.6424 BTC [+] {2} | [09:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0151 = 1.2533 BTC [+] | [09:28] |
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asciilifeform | ;;later tell Vexual maxpeers 1 addpeer local doesn't test behaviour against torrential 'orphan' crapolade, and other wild things | [10:34] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [10:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103700 @ 0.0003328 = 34.5114 BTC [+] {2} | [10:34] |
asciilifeform | in other news, | [10:35] |
asciilifeform | http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195115_MEM_LIVE.txt and http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195115_MEM_MAX.txt | [10:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30256 @ 0.00033413 = 10.1094 BTC [+] {3} | [10:38] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam. | [10:39] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 07:42:01; punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/ | [10:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23694 @ 0.00033482 = 7.9332 BTC [+] | [10:39] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state) | [10:43] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 05:34:06; mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol | [10:43] |
asciilifeform | ;;later tell jurov 'Source Code Browser' link on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html appears to point to unpatched generic 0.5.3 ? | [10:46] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [10:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00031508 = 5.9235 BTC [-] | [10:54] |
asciilifeform | http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195921_end_total.txt << totals after we sigterm bitcoind | [10:58] |
asciilifeform | ^ not especially useful, afaik | [10:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.000321 = 16.1463 BTC [+] {2} | [10:59] |
* | mod6 looks | [10:59] |
mod6 | btw my test with both of your patches {thermonuke} + {tx amputation} is at 193988 | [11:00] |
asciilifeform | mod6: post pmap -x -p [yourprocessid] plz | [11:01] |
mod6 | ok. -p doens't seem to be a thing... | [11:04] |
mod6 | one sec | [11:04] |
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mircea_popescu | hey check it out, nsa-dev goes to join ver-foundation in the pile of relevancy ? | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | this is good for bitcoin. | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | !rated sipa | [20:20] |
assbot | You have not rated sipa. | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell sipa if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, i'll rate you so you can voice. | [20:20] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | !rated BlueMatt | [20:20] |
assbot | You rated user BlueMatt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful.. | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell BlueMatt if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, you have a rating already, so you can voice. | [20:21] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:21] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << incidentally, the fact that this has been funded is proof positive that bezzle IT industry broadly agrees with me : moore's law is dead. | [20:23] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 07:42:01; punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/ | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | there's no expectation the contents of the boxes be obsolete any time before it amortises. | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147632 << i do, whenever i write by hand. the women and nurses can usually read it, but not really anyone else. | [20:25] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 10:00:11; jurov: |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147659 << obviously eats your air. engineering assumption being "where could we get a fixed 20 degrees source ?", otherwise who'd bother with the meatsacks. | [20:27] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam. | [20:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36255 @ 0.00033716 = 12.2237 BTC [+] {2} | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147662 << in principle, but this is eminently one of those cases where the difference between theory and practice is that in practice theory does not exist. | [20:28] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 13:39:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state) | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | "in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, while in practice theory does not exist." fify! | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147678 << does your 32 mb inner core feel encouraged by this ? :D | [20:30] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 14:03:10; asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868 | [20:30] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00033891 = 15.2679 BTC [+] {2} | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | as BingoBoingo points out, this has been a very high lulz week. | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | price increase incoming ? | [20:45] |
BingoBoingo | MPOE price is moving up | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | oh that it is huh. | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform incidentally, the one interesting tidbit in all this : one difference between current bitcoin and hearn-bitcoin is that the latter replaces Jeff Garzik's DNS seed with the seed run by one Addy Yeow. | [20:47] |
BingoBoingo | Also this is only high lolz compared to recent weeks. We're probably still below December's lolz levels still. | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | rather than simply getting rid of it. | [20:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00033066 = 2.9485 BTC [-] {2} | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome. | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | not just from a "must be in there for we need all the dns-carried pores imported via glibc etc", but also in the much lower level "who's in charge of the it!!1" thing | [20:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32533 @ 0.00032246 = 10.4906 BTC [-] {2} | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | (addy yeow aka ayeowch, "bitnodes" bs) | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147702 << "the troops are just right over the horizon" and "real america supports me, for i am not a crook". | [20:51] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 16:18:27; punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration." | [20:51] |
BingoBoingo | Ah, the nodecounter that only counts post Hearnfork1 nodes | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | is socialism ever getting a new playbook ? | [20:51] |
BingoBoingo | Of course software developers get no say. The say goes to the content farms in the Phillipines. | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | "i paid someone to make five hundred thousand fake facebook pages that like me, SO THERE1!1" | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, gavin best lolcow of 2015. | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | i remember the sad days when all we had was kludge the banker and ponzi the smooth operator. | [20:53] |
mircea_popescu | got slightly better once mtgox got finished, but not by much. that year's lolcow promotion was delulded fatso, the pageantry genius with her "chamber of commerce", that schmuck in ny that meanwhile got sent to "privately practice" with his privates... | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | 2014 wasn't altogether bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to 2015 so far. | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | drastically humiliated cantor fitzgerald vp, drastically humiliated nsa assets, i can't wait for autumn. | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | oh, and lets not forget http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1147141 | [20:57] |
assbot | Logged on 28-05-2015 22:27:06; cazalla: i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website) | [20:57] |
BingoBoingo | "muricademia also getting pretty lulzy this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/29/laura_kipnis_title_ix_investigation_feminism_political_correctness_controversy.html | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | mildly humiliated us marshalls service and slightly more humiliated federal prosecutors. tho both of these being public servants, they can do a lot better than this. | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | slate still exists huh | [20:58] |
BingoBoingo | Yeah, hard for them not too. | [20:58] |
BingoBoingo | They still have enough name of their own that they can cut their expenses gawker style without collecting as much gawker stench | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | now this is a point | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | gawker was somehow the loss leader in that, but otherwise "industry"-wide it's been a serious case of "work for free or don't work at all, for money there isn't". | [21:00] |
cazalla | i overstated that tbh.. most of it has been removed, there are a few remnants but the majority is gone | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | which, inasmuch as it's factually correct, is what it is. | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla screenshotted teh remnants ? | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | "On Friday, Kipnis published another piece in the Chronicle, revealing that, in a twist that's ironic on more than one level, she is now the subject of an investigation into graduate student complaints that her earlier column and a subsequent tweet violated Title IX, the law that prohibits sex descrimination in education." | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | i do not get how this is "ironic" | [21:01] |
cazalla | most of it is pdf and xls files such as www.usmarshals.gov/readingroom/foia_logs/2014_foia_log.xlsx | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | inasmuch as the woman's public communication is being indicted for failing to kow-tow to idiocy, it'd seem this is just cultural-revolution style maoism. | [21:01] |
cazalla | still shows foia requests unresolved | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla ahahaha idiots. same derps did this purge job that did thew original reddit "bitcoin blocks consensus" purge job ? | [21:02] |
BingoBoingo | Ironically the definition of irony used on the ESL interwebz has expanded so much it has no meaning. It nao has as much meaning as "a" or "the" | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla "Error: Network error." lol archive no werk | [21:05] |
cazalla | who knows who or if it was explicitly done or deleted along with other stuff as part of usms routine | [21:08] |
cazalla | so if anyone can enlighten me.. what typically happens to those that find themselves in prison during the collapse of a nation? | [21:09] |
mircea_popescu | depends. one counterfitter was freed from bastille. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | gheorghe gheorghiu dej went from common criminal to head of romanian state in a decade | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | generally, the actual criminals do quite well. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt | [21:18] |
deedbot- | Bad URL or network outage. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | ah come on! | [21:18] |
trinque | I've asked numerous times for a list of URLs people want whitelisted. | [21:19] |
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trinque | I assume I should add trilema :D | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | trinque no but just don't check url | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | the idea being, ifsomeone absuses it we just negrate him. | [21:19] |
trinque | I suppose I can dial back the paranoia | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | ty. | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | gotta give people enough room to fail, otherwise people can't be good. | [21:19] |
trinque | that's reasonable | [21:20] |
trinque | when I build new things I tend to err towards caution | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | understandabru | [21:20] |
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trinque | mircea_popescu: ok give it another go | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt | [21:23] |
deedbot- | accepted: 1 | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | yay | [21:24] |
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cazalla | check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | how's this supposed to work. | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | Summary Status: Disconnected lolk | [21:25] |
cazalla | apparently you bloat unconfirmed tx so that it's great than 1mb and then you point and say see, we need an increase cause i gotta wait 20m instead of 10m for 1 confirmation | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | uhhh | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | except this doesn't work lol. | [21:26] |
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mircea_popescu | old coinbases still get priority. | [21:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00031931 = 15.2949 BTC [-] {2} | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | not to even mention... fee paying txn | [21:27] |
cazalla | well they probably don't have anything older than a few days anyway | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | the beauty of this being that if you have say 1000btc in one chunk | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | spending anything out of it makes BOTH the little you spent and the 999.x remainder NEW coinbases. | [21:28] |
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cazalla | some coincidence a bunch of folk on /r/bitcoin get together to stress test the same day gavin threatens to take his ball/bat and go home with hearn | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | imagine the "stress test" if the blocks ACTUALLY WERE 20mb. | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | one can always spin up an arbitrary number of spammy txn. | [21:34] |
midnightmagic | Likely whoever it is who's paying the /r/bitcoin shills has an agenda, just like everyone else.. | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | "Kipnis was not allowed to have an attorney present during her interview with Title IX investigators, she writes, but she was allowed to bring along another faculty member as a "support person" provided that the person she brought did not speak. That support person later discussed Kipnis' situation at a "Faculty Senate" meeting—and has subsequently been accused of, yes, committing a Title IX violation." | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | pretty lulzy. | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | i think ima start "tit 1337" investigations of random people nao. | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | why the fuck not even. | [21:36] |
williamdunne | midnightmagic: I think its most likely just stupid people, nothing nefarious | [21:37] |
williamdunne | Well | [21:37] |
williamdunne | Outside of the stupidity that is | [21:37] |
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mircea_popescu | danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ? | [21:38] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 16:29:47; danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32 | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147755 << seems adequate. "you mean kid in a dorm somewhere dared do something we disagree with on an ideological level ?!!!1?!?!?!" | [21:42] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/ross-ulbricht-gets-life-in-silk-roa | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147766 << pretty much the entirety of the us claims in this case are puff. | [21:43] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 21:17:31; trinque: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents | [21:43] |
decimation | yeah but life in prison? | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | they got money burnin holes in their pockets absolutely must buy guy's meal and doctor visits. | [21:44] |
cazalla | t-bone and chorizo and then a couple persimmons for breakfast.. i am so snake full | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | what do you suppose is the difference between this life in prison and that life in prison anyway ? not like he was gonna buy himself a house. | [21:44] |
decimation | he could 'buy' 'a house' though | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | so he did. | [21:44] |
cazalla | don't forget the 180m he owns USG despite em selling his proceeds | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | you can just paint or w/e it is you wanted to do. | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | become a literary critic. | [21:45] |
cazalla | but the food.. | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | eh, it's about on par with what people generally eat. | [21:46] |
cazalla | he'll be eating grilled cheese off the radiator | [21:46] |
williamdunne | cazalla: Owes 18m, they removed what they gained from selling the coins | [21:46] |
decimation | apparently in the us the strain of e.coli that eats your colon is considered to be an 'adulterant' in beef | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne and the part they didn't sell because their own agents stole ? removed that too ? | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [21:47] |
decimation | but in chicken, simonella (which can eat your brain) isn't | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | salmonella ? | [21:47] |
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cazalla | williamdunne, where do you get that from? justice.gov says "In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921." | [21:47] |
williamdunne | Can't remember which article I read it on | [21:48] |
williamdunne | But yeah | [21:48] |
trinque | does this come out of his deodorant and titty magazine account in prison? | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:48] |
williamdunne | Said that while he was ordered to forfeit that much they consider what they sold to contribute towards it | [21:48] |
decimation | yeah salmonella | [21:48] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Its not like that is the USGs responsibility | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | decimation very unfair contrast, this. e coli is natural gut fauna. salmonella is never found in healthy humans. | [21:49] |
decimation | apparently this comes from a court case in the 1970's | [21:49] |
decimation | where the chicken lobby argued that it would be insulting to the housewives of america if the government said that they couldn't handle some salmonella contamination | [21:49] |
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mircea_popescu | but we're feeding us, not them | [21:49] |
decimation | BingoBoingo: but e.coli is in beef | [21:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00033304 = 24.0621 BTC [+] {2} | [21:50] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: Depends on the strain of e. coli | [21:50] |
mircea_popescu | the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic | [21:50] |
mircea_popescu | these are about as unlike as steel and arsenic. | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | notwithstanding you can make a steel sword and behead someone | [21:51] |
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mircea_popescu | well sure, i guess chicken fda has a diff take | [21:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00033584 = 3.8118 BTC [+] | [21:53] |
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BingoBoingo | Most people who self diagnose salmonella usually actually test positive for campylobacter anyways when chikken makes em sick | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147779 << goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street. | [21:55] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 21:22:42; decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? | [21:55] |
mircea_popescu | check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D | [21:55] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147788 << this is exactly irrelevant for anyone in the past. obviously, if trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head, it then follows that trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head. what of this is germane to any discussion of trotsky in any positive approach ? | [21:59] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 21:25:41; ascii_field: |
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mircea_popescu | is it related to his tooth brushing habits ? is it a function of being loose with women ? | [21:59] |
mircea_popescu | that is the point. to fall from grace there must be a grace first. there isn't. | [21:59] |
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BingoBoingo | lol http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/#comment-25130 | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | https://i.imgur.com/OEqzSmC.png << bwahahaha. | [22:01] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo, cazalla and i : bringing wtf to fb normies since a while ago. | [22:02] |
cazalla | normies get out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAO92foBwA | [22:02] |
BingoBoingo | best thumbnail | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | dude can't even screem wtf. | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | sounds liek a prison rape. | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147807 << quite exactly. | [22:04] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 21:45:33; trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own | [22:04] |
mircea_popescu | once something gains legal relevance, there's no way to keep it from becoming severed. | [22:04] |
BingoBoingo | So it seems we have a young stray cat in the neighborhood that really likes it's dinner still screaming. | [22:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00032301 = 16.1828 BTC [-] {2} | [22:06] |
cazalla | keel it! fuck i hate cats | [22:07] |
BingoBoingo | All last night, every 15 minutes, squeak squeak squeak as it plays with another mouse for quite a while liek it is eating a korean octopus dish | [22:07] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: I didn't even interupt it. As much as I hated the noise, better it gets the mice than the mice get inside | [22:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88174 @ 0.00031694 = 27.9459 BTC [-] {3} | [22:08] |
cazalla | what harm is a field mouse? | [22:08] |
BingoBoingo | if it gets inside it shits everywhere and dies | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | "As I've written before, Silk Road was undoubtedly a net positive for the health, safety, and liberty of most of its customers and sellers. " | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | random commentator on internets has an excewllent point | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | that the defense failed to call out the moral-panic powered prosecution | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | and to point out that the only person being helpful to the community in that room is the accused, | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | whereas the rest of the derps are essentially going on a "holy shit something we never heard of before- BURN THE WITHCq!1" | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | is perhaps the major-est failure in known legal history. | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | whenever anyone tells you that fucktarded "he who represents himself has a fool for a client", do remember : at least it won't be as bad as the silk road defense. | [22:10] |
williamdunne | The lawyers derped there, big time | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | nothing one can do accidentally or untinentionally can ever be as bad as the deliberate, calculated poison the officers of the court masquerading as "defense counsel" put forth. | [22:10] |
BingoBoingo | Dratel was the worst. Even Matlock would have done better and he's dead nao. | [22:11] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, but cats shit every where too | [22:11] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Feral cats tend to not make it inside and outside of winter they don't really try to either | [22:12] |
cazalla | i can't say i've ever had a problem with mice or know of anyone that has down under.. cats though? huge problem, huge shits, lots of noise | [22:13] |
cazalla | fyi http://i.imgur.com/sr1rQaa.png | [22:15] |
danielpbarron | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147945 << http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/05/29#l1432915387.0 | [22:16] |
assbot | Logged on 30-05-2015 00:34:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ? | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | !rate cusipzzz -10 ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean. | [22:17] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: what conversation were you referencing "goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street" | [22:17] |
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mircea_popescu | !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.cusipzzz.-10:7efb49656c3c4fe3426e105cd84804e418313f0ad96ac8ae211f55148c7a83cf | [22:18] |
assbot | Successfully added a rating of -10 for cusipzzz with note: ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean. | [22:18] |
BingoBoingo | Well, for what it is worth this cat sucks at being feral. I went out for a cig and it was just sitting under a tree. Might be someone wanted an outdoor cat as a pet. | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | and that goes to the rest of you fuckheads. 1) i know who all of you are. this because your overlords can't keep secrets worth a shit. 2) my people are intangible or you get fucked. | [22:18] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: You forget we have farms, woods, and native wild bunnies | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | should be simple enough., | [22:18] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, -otc basically a trap nao? | [22:20] |
danielpbarron | defo | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo -otc has all teh "relevancy" one could ever wish for. | [22:20] |
BingoBoingo | I kinda thought as much | [22:25] |
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midnightmagic | williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) | [22:41] |
midnightmagic | And they get paid by people they never met. | [22:41] |
williamdunne | Sure, I know shills exist, I was offered some myself | [22:42] |
williamdunne | I just thing the vast majority of the people are just derping | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | this is broadly true, but much like the guy with the red stapler, that vast majority doesn't actually take the time and effort to prop conde nast's numbers while derping | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | they just derp to themselves. | [22:43] |
danielpbarron | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up | [22:49] |
assbot | Logged on 30-05-2015 00:20:52; cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions | [22:49] |
BingoBoingo | midnightmagic> williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) << It was Coinfire. They've done a few excellent stories in their history, but the way they operate is just so fucking... odd | [22:49] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo afaik it's just a hard working guy that is completely misguided as to what constitutes business etc. | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | "professional" | [22:50] |
williamdunne | Won't even own any bitcoin because it could make him 'biased' | [22:51] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: That and he's got a few fresh off the reddit faces he finds to help throw up occasional extra stories | [22:51] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? | [22:52] |
mircea_popescu | fresh off a community college course in "introduction to journalism" from wichita ? | [22:52] |
midnightmagic | I'd heard of that guy. That's the coinfire guy is it? Huh. | [22:52] |
williamdunne | Financial Times writers no longer allowed to hold any commodity, currency, or other tradable asset. | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, because they were going to. all bought on the generous pay their prestigious position with the times allows them. | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | they can buy either 0 shares of any stock or no less than 0 contracts in any future. | [22:54] |
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scoopbot_revived | The greatest failure in modern legal history, the story of Joshua Dratel http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/ | [22:57] |
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decimation | !gettrust belxjander | [23:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00031579 = 19.8158 BTC [-] {3} | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | also http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-145.0-149.0 to go with that article. | [23:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00032293 = 4.5533 BTC [+] | [23:15] |
decimation | representing yourself in us court is a recipie for disaster - the government clerks do not take kindly to people | [23:17] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: ty very much for the timing of that one | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | sure o.O | [23:18] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: You can hire a lawyer, but you gotta make sure they understand they are the hired help. They deal with the clerks and the bitchwork. You do the reading and make the decisions. | [23:18] |
BingoBoingo | Now how long we gotta wait on scoopy... | [23:19] |
scoopbot_revived | Some Other People Sentenced This Month in US Courts http://qntra.net/2015/05/some-other-people-sentenced-this-month-in-us-courts/ | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo if you can find someone like this, it'll usually be a paralegal. | [23:19] |
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decimation | A friend told me about how a local inspector came to examine his house (which he was building himself). The inspector told him that he should have hired a professional to do the plumbing (he did, but represented his own house to the inspector) | [23:20] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: but yeah you hire them for their license and make em paralegal for you | [23:21] |
decimation | the inspector failed the plumbing on many counts. meanwhile the plumber who did the work had similar work passed by the same inspector on a different job | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | "Danish Syed (archived) was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his half brother move to Pakistan." o.O | [23:21] |
decimation | My point is that if you represent yourself you are going to be 'presumed guilty of failing to genuflect before the government appropriately' | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | well, in cases which are essentially this to begin with... | [23:21] |
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decimation | exactly. | [23:22] |
decimation | well, this calls to mind the 'trial' of georges danton | [23:22] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: On that one basically the half brother milked some fiat fails and went to Pakistan when charges hit. Syed helped some of his cash return to him. | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo wow check it out, woman betrayed teh pakistani ring! | [23:23] |
BingoBoingo | Tends to happen. | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | "Chrisopher Serna (archived) was sentenced to 50 years in prison by a Florida court for cutting off his girlfriend's head and sticking it on a pole." | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | in other news: | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | http://www.loper-os.org/pub/crate.jpg | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | i like qntra. | [23:25] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: And Serna is young enough to potentially leave jail after the full sentence | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? | [23:25] |
williamdunne | qntra is good | [23:25] |
BingoBoingo | It's amaxing the filtering we happened upon. WHen nothing happens... qntra slows share creation slows. WHen shit goes down qntra heats up again. | [23:25] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Is that the other kind of board? | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | "If they continue imprisoning their betters the result is going to be technically savvy warlords." | [23:26] |
decimation | 50 years is less than life | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | should bne interesting to see irl. | [23:26] |
decimation | apparently mr. silk road should have just beheaded random women | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | decimation too late for him | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | apparently EVERYONE ELSE should. preferably, starting wit hthe civil service. | [23:27] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: Nah, known women. Known is a mitigating circumstance | [23:27] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147865 << good nyooz then, i'm loading the pistol to shoot the last vestiges of dns-in-bitcoin in the head as we speak | [23:27] |
assbot | Logged on 29-05-2015 23:43:29; mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome. | [23:27] |
decimation | asciilifeform: how to replace? .conf with ips? | [23:27] |
asciilifeform | and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd. | [23:27] |
asciilifeform | (or not, and pass seed ip on commandline as discussed in old thread) | [23:28] |
BingoBoingo | [23:28] | |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform nb. | [23:29] |
decimation | asciilifeform: and then discover peers by asking the seed about his connections? | [23:29] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147958 << prisoners in usa are 'civil dead', i.e. they cannot communicate securely or pgp-sign. ask ted kazynski. so i'll take that bullet plz | [23:32] |
assbot | Logged on 30-05-2015 00:40:56; mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all | [23:32] |
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BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/604474262259265536 | [23:32] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform eh, privacy is overrated. especially in old age. | [23:32] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << ftr I agree with this 100%. this struck me years ago, occupies my mind daily | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | !up baghodler | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | trinque aha! | [23:33] |
trinque | one doesn't get to deny the blood they're covered in because "oh I wouldn't do that if I were fuhrer" | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147996 << he fell from grace. let me know when buffet, musk, gates, thiel - starve. | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo thats a point. | [23:33] |
trinque | great comic too | [23:33] |
-assbot- | You voiced baghodler for 30 minutes. | [23:33] |
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assbot | Logged on 30-05-2015 00:51:24; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what grace is this ? | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | note that for it to be accepted in the discussion, it must exist prior to the event, not merely be constructed ex post facto as a contrapositive. | [23:34] |
williamdunne | mm asslag again | [23:35] |
williamdunne | Guessing its freenode servers | [23:35] |
decimation | it is interesting that they tried to stick hastert with this 'you lied to us about your cash' law | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148054 << with or without my two skull'n'crossbone patches ? | [23:36] |
assbot | Logged on 30-05-2015 01:44:59; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 'grace' in the very general sense that these folks are untouchable (see gary condit, who even got away with killing a fucktoy) until they aren't. | [23:39] |
danielpbarron | without | [23:39] |
asciilifeform | [23:40] | |
BingoBoingo | Nice | [23:40] |
asciilifeform | GDM-5402 | [23:41] |
decimation | I had a 21 inch trinitron back in the day | [23:41] |
decimation | took to the dump a few years ago | [23:41] |
BingoBoingo | First stint of grad school I was so pissed when fucking druggy never returned my 9" trinitron | [23:41] |
asciilifeform | 2048X1536@75Hz, 1600x1280@96Hz | [23:41] |
cazalla | 144hz master race | [23:42] |
decimation | thing was a heavy bastard | [23:42] |
asciilifeform | this one is ~40kg | [23:42] |
decimation | I'm surprised they don't use those in medical applications where contrast is crtical | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | rather like the identical but aged, dim unit i have already on other desk | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | decimation: they did until very recently | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | (they do not, as we all know, last forever) | [23:43] |
* | BingoBoingo had a nice 9" trinitron rf signal display machine with integrated optical disk player. A historical, more trusting Bingo loaned it to a neighbor and gone. | [23:43] |
decimation | I suppose lcds are getting better w.r.t. contrast | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: the ntsc trinitrons are not comparable | [23:44] |
* | asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens | [23:44] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Not at all, but compared to cheap LED's | [23:44] |
BingoBoingo | *LCD's | [23:44] |
decimation | thost little guide wires on the screen always made me a little happy | [23:44] |
asciilifeform | decimation: remember the knock-offs without the guidewires ? | [23:44] |
decimation | heh yeah | [23:45] |
decimation | was always easy to tell | [23:45] |
BingoBoingo | * asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens << Sometimes... the content is already ntsc encoded... | [23:45] |
BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/qntra/status/604477372625068033 | [23:46] |
decimation | yeah I remember playing nintendo on an ntsc trinitron, was better than random shit tv | [23:48] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, I wasn't using this for games, but that would have been grand. I was right by a PBS station and could watch "The Victory Garden" in all its glory | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | thinking of buying three more of the gdm-5402 and replacing my 'eizo's | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | but not sure if house wiring can handle it | [23:50] |
decimation | heh. I don't think they take that much power do they? | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | or whether my desk will auger in | [23:50] |
decimation | I guess 200 watts | [23:50] |
decimation | yeah that's probably the first thing to fail | [23:50] |
decimation | heh 70 lbs | [23:51] |
BingoBoingo | [23:51] | |
asciilifeform | my doubleconverter ups would probably catch fire | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | it's already at ~70% load | [23:51] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: this hovel, interestingly, has steel frame. first time i lived in such a thing. a real bitch to hang up anything in | [23:52] |
asciilifeform | the only time i drilled it, broke three ordinary bits before waking up and going out to the machine shop to fetch a boron nitride one | [23:52] |
BingoBoingo | Amazing. So you actually do have a frame that can handle pretty much whatever weight UPS packages can throw at it without bumping your shit down to "freight" treatment. | [23:53] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [23:53] |
BingoBoingo | ^lol labcoin reference | [23:53] |
asciilifeform | wai wat | [23:54] |
danielpbarron | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2013#296505 | [23:55] |
assbot | Logged on 09-09-2013 19:00:25; kakobrekla: amazing company | [23:55] |
decimation | asciilifeform: actually this is probably a good faraday cage for low frequencies | [23:55] |
decimation | your steel frame walls | [23:55] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: I doubt he's as worried about submarines listening as... vans | [23:56] |
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