Forum logs for 28 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation !up Jrum [00:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00030494 = 8.6603 BTC [+] [00:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26608 @ 0.00031178 = 8.2958 BTC [+] {2} [00:06]
asciilifeform decimation: more complicated than this. you couldn't spend dollars per se in there, had to use special 'funny money' [00:07]
asciilifeform which one got either by trading in dollars at airport (if you are a foreign tourist) or by having been paid in it in the first place, on account of being diplomatic staff or similar [00:07]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So like the strip club [00:07]
asciilifeform wai wat [00:08]
asciilifeform what strip club works like this ? [00:08]
decimation asciilifeform: so this was mainly limited to foreign embassy staff? [00:08]
asciilifeform decimation: this particular variant of the 'k00l k1dz' store - yes [00:09]
asciilifeform there were others [00:09]
asciilifeform not sure if a complete list even exists [00:09]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: A number of shittier ones. You trade dollars for "club money" dancers trade the club monopoly money for dollars. Like casino chips, but more tarded [00:09]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: presumably this is done to smooth the vig collection ? [00:10]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: indeed [00:10]
kalki grettings [00:10]
decimation kinda ths same idea at casinos? [00:10]
kalki greetings [00:10]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: also for revenue reasons. No customer wants to wait to cash back into outside money at the end of the night. [00:10]
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asciilifeform decimation: on second look, there were 'beriozka' ('birch') shops which took dollars directly [00:12]
asciilifeform mainly near hotels. [00:12]
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asciilifeform https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%91%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0_%28%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%29#/media/File:%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BA.JPG [00:12]
asciilifeform ^ funnymoney [00:12]
asciilifeform back side reads 'this cheque is not subject to resale' [00:12]
asciilifeform abolished in '88. [00:13]
asciilifeform amusing story was, that the closure was announced in advance. and holders of the 'cheques' struggled to cash them in, somehow, somewhere [00:14]
asciilifeform was a kind of 'bitcoin gem' [00:14]
asciilifeform the shops ended up 'privatized' [00:15]
asciilifeform and eventually disappeared [00:15]
decimation heh that's amusing [00:16]
asciilifeform in '91 dollars were legalized [00:16]
asciilifeform and the remaining 'birch' took them directly from all-comers. [00:16]
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asciilifeform (to clarify, 'cheques' were abolished in '88, rather than the k00l k1dz shops) [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00031329 = 18.1708 BTC [+] {4} [00:17]
* asciilifeform never saw one of these things alive, only knows secondhand [00:18]
decimation so presumably these 'cheques' were only handed out to foreigners and people with notes from stalin [00:18]
asciilifeform aha. [00:19]
decimation I wouldn't mind collecting a few of those [00:20]
decimation I would add them to my collection of weimar notes [00:20]
asciilifeform decimation: could easily expand the collection with a dozen kinds of sov-era toilet paper [00:21]
asciilifeform http://img35.olx.ua/images_slandocomua/132220713_3_644x461_kupony-ukraina-unc-kollektsionirovanie.jpg [00:22]
* asciilifeform traded a shoebox full of these ^ for his first $1 usd [00:22]
decimation heh all the pastel colors [00:24]
asciilifeform these, incidentally, were printed on machines hastily flown in from usa [00:24]
asciilifeform and there were some interesting production glitches [00:24]
decimation http://snyderstreasures.com/images/paper/currency/5RM1Aug42F.jpg < the third reich currency is of much better quality (i have a couple of these too) [00:24]
asciilifeform who's the fella in the picture ? [00:25]
decimation donno, some dude I guess. I have another with a young woman on it too [00:25]
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decimation 'hitlerjunge' [00:25]
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asciilifeform https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86#/media/File:UkraineP55-200Karbowanez-1942_f.jpg << occupation ua [00:28]
asciilifeform mostly western ua, did not circulate in romanian zone [00:29]
asciilifeform speaking of which, [00:29]
* asciilifeform spotted a gurl from transylvania today; she worked in a restaurant; queried based on accent, familiar from hanging out with mircea_popescu [00:30]
asciilifeform this is only 2nd or 3rd time i ran into anyone from ro in 22+ yrs of sitting in usa [00:31]
asciilifeform generally these folks have better sense than to come here. [00:31]
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decimation my father had some romanian carpenters set his nice wood floor [00:32]
decimation heh > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsmark < "The Soviet Union demanded copies of the engraving plates, ink, and associated equipment in early 1944, and on 14 April 1944 Henry Morgenthau and Harry Dexter White of the U.S. Treasury Department authorized the immediate air transfer of these to the USSR. Using a printing plant in occupied Leipzig, the Soviet authorities printed large runs of occupation marks. Since these were converti [00:33]
asciilifeform this encounter was actually very interesting, because even from across the room and with naked eye, could tell she was not from usa -- [00:33]
asciilifeform because had a human face instead of 'robotic statue' [00:33]
decimation heh [00:33]
asciilifeform i almost wanted to ask 'what are you doing here, in the kingdom of malicious robots, fellow earthling' [00:34]
decimation in my experience this is worse on the east coast [00:34]
decimation I think people's reaction to high population density is to treat humans as if they were robots [00:35]
asciilifeform can't say that we have 'tokyo' population density here in d.c. suburbs. [00:35]
asciilifeform if anything, far lower than, e.g., buenos aires [00:35]
asciilifeform but here - robots, there - people. [00:35]
decimation yeah that's a fair point. [00:36]
decimation perhaps it's the narcissism. "your real self" is only shown to those whom you select [00:37]
asciilifeform perhaps only behind closed doors [00:37]
decimation after all, if you could see the size of the egos in the dc area you would find tokyo roomy [00:37]
asciilifeform when talking to chums, etc. in public, these folks have precisely same face. [00:38]
* asciilifeform is speaking of women, primarily; men seem to wear proverbial 'poker face' just about anywhere [00:38]
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decimation asciilifeform: I wonder what it was like to walk around in a society where marriages were arranged [00:41]
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decimation thus freeing women from unwanted sexual attention to some degree [00:41]
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asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt0BJ0QE-9Y << mega-relevant [00:54]
asciilifeform ^ 18th episode of ru cult-cartoon 'just you wait' - a kind of sov. equivalent of american 'tom & jerry', takes place in 'beriozka' shop [00:54]
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decimation asciilifeform: heh the vacuum has a 'GE' logo [01:04]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [05:53]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014 [05:53]
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davout did you measure the total consumed BW for each sync? [05:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform o hey, nice. [05:54]
BingoBoingo davout: How much of what kind of CPU is monero taking as it syncs? [05:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18338 @ 0.0003035 = 5.5656 BTC [+] [06:00]
davout BingoBoingo: doesn't seem to use up a lot [06:00]
davout I have ~16% CPU, 32% MEM [06:01]
davout the box has 4gb ram [06:01]
BingoBoingo davout: And it still takes so long to sync days? [06:01]
davout I'm 158 days behind still [06:02]
mircea_popescu sounds more like a weak network than anything [06:02]
BingoBoingo If monero's still around in a year might be interested. [06:06]
BingoBoingo That would still be like getting into Bitcoin in 2011-ish [06:07]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146642 << at least it stopped checking out the teenaged prices. [06:25]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 01:51:58; BingoBoingo: MPOE seems like It's been awfully stable at the 3 mark lately [06:25]
BingoBoingo yeah [06:25]
BingoBoingo This is probably either one of the best or the worst times to move into s.mpoe [06:28]
* BingoBoingo rather... marinated... discovered #fatpeoplehate is a channel on freenode [06:28]
BingoBoingo so cathartic [06:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00030543 = 15.9434 BTC [-] [06:30]
BingoBoingo probably appeal less to #b-a members not in the god damned middle west [06:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61750 @ 0.00031483 = 19.4408 BTC [+] {2} [06:31]
mircea_popescu it is /! [06:33]
mircea_popescu ?! [06:33]
BingoBoingo It really is. Apparently they organize around a reddit, butwho knows how long that part will last given reddit's censorship. [06:35]
mircea_popescu heh [06:39]
BingoBoingo Mebbe they move to 8chan for moar ad impressions? [06:41]
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cazalla gee that was one awful hangover [06:44]
* BingoBoingo not even done drinking and next hangover is beginning [06:45]
cazalla imma go to AA or something lol [06:45]
BingoBoingo But who will help keep the #b-a glass full? [06:47]
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cazalla "If you answered “yes” to more than 8 questions, you may have a serious level of alcohol-related problems requiring immediate attention and possible treatment." [06:48]
* cazalla scores 22, what's this 8 business? [06:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00030543 = 8.3688 BTC [-] [06:49]
cazalla BingoBoingo, full? it's been spilling over for months if not years [06:51]
BingoBoingo cazalla: We got to carry it inshifts like and olympic torch [06:52]
BingoBoingo !s olympic [06:52]
assbot 39 results for 'olympic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=olympic [06:52]
cazalla i don't really want to be a gold medal winner at drinking [06:55]
BingoBoingo I kinda still do [06:55]
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cazalla the shit is too expensive anyway [06:56]
BingoBoingo http://8ch.net/btc/res/331.html#340 lol [06:57]
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mircea_popescu lol jay [07:25]
BingoBoingo Don't forget silent bob, he kinda filmed it [07:26]
BingoBoingo I also kinda like/might have wrote http://8ch.net/btc/res/332.html#q341 [07:27]
cazalla don't link my drunken shit posting :P [07:28]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I dun know how you imageboard post. You aussies are all alike. [07:28]
BingoBoingo On that medium [07:28]
cazalla dats raysis [07:28]
BingoBoingo Not as racis as dem abbos [07:29]
BingoBoingo Linked from fatpeoplehate IRC https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/xo41d/doctorsnursesredditors_what_has_been_your_most/c5o66p2 [07:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146705 << ahaha win. [07:32]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 03:26:41; *: asciilifeform spotted a gurl from transylvania today; she worked in a restaurant; queried based on accent, familiar from hanging out with mircea_popescu [07:32]
mircea_popescu so where was she from ? [07:33]
* BingoBoingo guesses Cluj [07:33]
BingoBoingo Nice one whoever http://8ch.net/btc/res/322.html#q343 [07:35]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146729 << heh nu zayet... moderately popular in ro of the 90s. [07:38]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 03:50:21; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt0BJ0QE-9Y << mega-relevant [07:38]
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gabriel_laddel trinque: send you an email with the solution [08:28]
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gabriel_laddel s/send/sent [08:35]
BingoBoingo lol http://wptavern.com/wordpress-theme-review-team-is-cracking-down-on-violations-of-the-presentation-vs-functionality-guideline [08:39]
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gabriel_laddel ;; later tell nubbins` where all did you live in Korea? [08:42]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:42]
BingoBoingo lol http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/05/fifa_arrests_sepp_blatter_s_organization_might_actually_go_down_thanks_to.html [08:43]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Isn't nubbsy in twodogs land? [08:43]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: I've nfi what twodogs land is and idk [08:44]
BingoBoingo !s twodogsland [08:44]
assbot 0 results for 'twodogsland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogsland [08:44]
BingoBoingo !s twodogs land [08:44]
assbot 0 results for 'twodogs land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogs+land [08:44]
BingoBoingo !s two dogs land [08:44]
assbot 0 results for 'two dogs land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=two+dogs+land [08:44]
BingoBoingo huh [08:44]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo basically, these dudes allowed the us into soccer in the 80s, now the us doesn't want them to be the bosses anymore. [08:58]
BingoBoingo pretty much [08:58]
mircea_popescu pretty cheeky. [08:58]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdd3hurG6I1ri9dzjo1_500.gif [08:59]
BingoBoingo Kinda what US just doing what it does [08:59]
mircea_popescu fifa should probably just convict "us prosecutors" for fraud etc. [09:00]
BingoBoingo Basketball and Hockey were US tamed pretty readily, but the last couple years European teams started doing a bunch of exhibition games in the US and selling out so Nike and Gatorade had to call their congressmen [09:01]
mircea_popescu lol [09:01]
BingoBoingo Because OMG Serbia Vs. Croatia sold 45,000 tickets in a third tier midwestern city for and exhibition game [09:02]
mircea_popescu that said, a bunch of these twerps were pretty rotten. jack warner being a fine example [09:03]
mircea_popescu of course he got kicked out years ago, but whatevs. [09:03]
gabriel_laddel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji6aYOJJHhY << re: stoya (MP's latest news) [09:03]
gabriel_laddel re:ass-pussy (buggery) http://cdn.ftvgirls.com/images/super/update/large/065.jpg [09:04]
gabriel_laddel also, http://cdn.ftvgirls.com/images/super/update/large/183.jpg [09:04]
gabriel_laddel !s epic mega-series [09:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: To be fair in illustrating the US's humiliation over the soccer situation the US's most bezzel'd league had teams selling tickets under five dollars to not fill stadiums in some the same cities soccer was selling out. [09:06]
assbot 1 results for 'epic mega-series' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=epic+mega-series [09:06]
BingoBoingo They are embarassed [09:07]
BingoBoingo They also don't so anything in the way of running a minor league either, but... [09:08]
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BingoBoingo The hockey situation in the US/Canada isn't much better. A number of great players drafted by NHL teams are staying in the KHL [09:12]
BingoBoingo ;;google vladimir sbotka [09:13]
gribble Vladimír Sobotka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Vladimir Sobotka - St Louis Blues - NHL.com: ; Vladimir Sobotka, Blues - Stats - NHL.com - Players: [09:13]
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gabriel_laddel hola pete_dushenski [10:34]
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pete_dushenski hola gabe ! [10:35]
gabriel_laddel so what jurisdiction are you visiting today? [10:35]
pete_dushenski bern today. [10:36]
pete_dushenski and the sun is *finally* shining ! [10:36]
pete_dushenski 22C and crystal clear blue skies [10:36]
pete_dushenski spring is definitely in the air in switzerland [10:36]
gabriel_laddel sorry, bern? [10:36]
gabriel_laddel ah [10:36]
gabriel_laddel ohhoho [10:37]
pete_dushenski my goodness can these people garden [10:37]
gabriel_laddel that sounds lovely [10:37]
pete_dushenski it is :) [10:37]
pete_dushenski sort of a quieter, smaller scale japan full of big-eyed folks [10:37]
gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: you've been to JP? [10:38]
pete_dushenski ayup. [10:38]
pete_dushenski tokyo, osaka, nagasaki [10:38]
pete_dushenski spent a few days in each [10:39]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-05-2015#1144993 << heh. [10:41]
assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 00:50:22; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something. [10:41]
* pete_dushenski imagine a japanimation lockness bursting forth from between girl's legs [10:42]
gabriel_laddel Oh that would make a lovely hentai. Breaking the 4th wall pixellation of privates. [10:43]
pete_dushenski one wonders what it'll take to break the pixelation wall [10:45]
pete_dushenski fukushima... wasn't enough. [10:45]
pete_dushenski i can see the idiots giving up on their idiocy after a good chinese butt pumping. [10:45]
gabriel_laddel JP is weird. I don't know that they're censoring it because they find it "offensive" [10:46]
gabriel_laddel did you see the signs telling schoolchildren to "beware the chikan"? [10:46]
gabriel_laddel BAD (#bitcoin-assets distro) update #3. Install works (writing this from a machine formatted in the past 24hrs) and is a massive PITA. Next TODO on my list is to radically simplify (automate) the install. I've updated install doc if anyone is interested: gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html [10:47]
gabriel_laddel mod6: ^ is based on funtoo, a variant of gentoo. [10:47]
gabriel_laddel mod6: Idk what exactly your goals are on your gentoo quest, but have you reached the conclusion that portage is insane and must go? [10:48]
pete_dushenski http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/24945225.jpg << this 'chikan' ? [10:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146846 << my first impression was that the instrument is a very long... spoon [10:49]
gabriel_laddel ^ I can't read Japanese, but that looks correct from what I've read of the phenomenon. [10:49]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform clearly a horsewhip [10:49]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 11:55:42; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdd3hurG6I1ri9dzjo1_500.gif [10:49]
pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel it looks effective to me. at least as much as any fuzzy rat puppet (in canada) telling kids not to trust strangers [10:51]
gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: ah, but the weird bit is that this is (according to asa akira) the *most common* offense in JP, and happens to a huge percentage of the population. [10:52]
gabriel_laddel So, they put up signs warning schoolgirls about being molested on the packed trains, but never put any effort into... putting personal space on the trains or the like. [10:53]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: they did proclaim female-only train cars iirc [10:54]
pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel how does one insert personal space onto an small mountainous island ? [10:54]
pete_dushenski this is like trying to build a concrete foundation under a mountain [10:55]
gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: how I would go about it - pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6 [10:55]
pete_dushenski under *the whole thing* [10:55]
pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel this is the spec/manifesto for BAD ? [10:57]
gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: nah, it was a message to someone on #lisp [10:57]
gabriel_laddel also, I tried getting someone doing housing in SF excited about it [10:57]
pete_dushenski good god man get yourself a blog already. [10:57]
pete_dushenski what is this, 1960 ? [10:58]
gabriel_laddel (he raised something like 30MM - is doing traditional housing) [10:58]
gabriel_laddel fucking moron [10:58]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: cars (at least of the petrol variety) underground is a ventilation nightmare. use trains, like sane people [10:58]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: noted. [10:59]
pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel what 'it' were you getting mr. sf-house-builder excited about ? [10:59]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i will also note that i tried the opengl thing, and barfed [10:59]
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* pete_dushenski is using trains to bounce around la suisse. [11:00]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: right? [11:00]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: it doesn't map to henderson-style 'functional graphics' at all [11:00]
gabriel_laddel OpenGL needs to be taken out back and shot, along with its creators [11:00]
gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: modular, robotically assembled human habitation [11:00]
* asciilifeform bbl [11:01]
pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel ah ok. [11:01]
gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: how do the trains compare to your merc? [11:01]
pete_dushenski lol the scenery out the window is prettier. also, tracks are a hell of a lot smoother than shitty alberta roads. [11:02]
pete_dushenski swiss tracks in particular. [11:03]
pete_dushenski the train system here is fantastic : frequent scheduling, short trips, stations are conveniently located. [11:04]
pete_dushenski it helps that everything is tightly packed together. [11:04]
pete_dushenski a 45 min or even 2 hour trip doesn't eat your day up [11:04]
pete_dushenski the 6-9 hour train i took across spain and portugal a few years ago most certainly did. [11:05]
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gabriel_laddel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only_passenger_car#Japan << lol [11:05]
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gabriel_laddel debuggering [11:06]
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pete_dushenski aha 'chikan' means groping [11:06]
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gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: are you traveling the world, or do you take up residency in these countries from time to time? [11:09]
pete_dushenski i just travel for a few weeks here and a few more weeks there. [11:10]
pete_dushenski it's a hobby more than anything. [11:10]
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pete_dushenski homebase is still in canada. [11:10]
pete_dushenski traveling keeps me sane and clear-headed. edmonton is pretty dull but that's where my roots are. [11:12]
pete_dushenski i'd leave at the drop of a hat if push came to shove, but it hasn't yet. [11:12]
gabriel_laddel https://www.linkedin.com/in/richling << Impressive resume. Mitch also has a collection of CL mathematics hacks, mjrcalc. [11:13]
gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: ever been to China or Korea? [11:16]
pete_dushenski mhm. i've been to pusan (where i have a cousin), beijing, shanghai, and hong kong. [11:17]
pete_dushenski ftr my cousin isn't korean, his wife... is. [11:18]
pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel just curious ? have you been to kr and cn as well ? [11:18]
gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: Nope. Consider this a request for a blog post on your travels in these two regions. [11:19]
pete_dushenski i'll take your request into consideration :) [11:20]
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pete_dushenski cheers ! [11:21]
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pete_dushenski "In a fifth floor office just off Zurich's main shopping street, researchers at UBS (UBSG.VX) are testing dozens of technologies to see what could make the world's biggest wealth manager more appealing as fortunes pass to the next generation." [11:32]
pete_dushenski ""How do you get under the skin of clients today, because they often work on their mobiles and they manage their wealth in their spare time," said Dave Bruno, head of UBS's innovation lab. "It might be in the bathroom, it might be waiting for a flight."" [11:32]
pete_dushenski "Bruno and his team are designing video games, including a prototype puzzle for iPads and smartphones, and looking at virtual reality simulations to help people visualise what are often complex investment portfolios." [11:32]
pete_dushenski "They are also working on technologies that allow clients to log into their accounts using their voice patterns and facial features, doing away with the time consuming and frustrating need to answer security questions." [11:32]
pete_dushenski the future of this country... looks awful. [11:33]
pete_dushenski thankfully, there are plenty of relics and pieces of art to pick from once they shoot themselves in the head 9 more times. [11:34]
pete_dushenski also, it's worth mentioning that for anyone into 100+ year-old deadtree books, switzerland is where it's at [11:34]
pete_dushenski i've never seen so many beautifully preserved copies of literature, philosophy, history, biology, you name it. in german, french, latin, english too [11:36]
pete_dushenski i saw one such bookstore in manhattan a couple years back, complete with $30,000 copy of le petite prince, but that was just one shop. [11:37]
pete_dushenski there are a handful of such stores in pretty much every town here ! [11:37]
pete_dushenski it's pretty heavenly, i have to admit. [11:37]
gabriel_laddel copypaste: re: your ddos / anon problems, have you read about wotnet in the logs? [11:46]
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pete_dushenski "Avago, a maker of chips for the wireless and industrial markets, is offering Broadcom shareholders $17 billion in cash and Avago shares valued at $20 billion in one of the biggest deals ever in the chip industry." << i have to admit that i'd never heard of 'avago' before. [11:49]
pete_dushenski though apparently they recently purchase 'emulex' as well [11:50]
pete_dushenski !s avago [11:51]
assbot 0 results for 'avago' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=avago [11:51]
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pete_dushenski "Broadcom is known as a fabless company. It outsources all semiconductor manufacturing to Asian merchant foundries, such as GlobalFoundries, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, Silterra, TSMC, and United Microelectronics Corporation." << ahaha. so what the fuck did $37 bn even buy ? [11:56]
mod6 <+gabriel_laddel> mod6: Idk what exactly your goals are on your gentoo quest, but have you reached the conclusion that portage is insane and must go? << this project had to take a pause; I need to get some cash together to buy a physical box to put together steps for configuration on real hardware as opposed to aws or other cloud infrastructure. no, for now, I'm trying to stick with a Gentoo-amd64-uclibc-hardened. That's the goal anyway. [11:57]
mod6 I should be able to get a box for this sometime after the 1st. [11:57]
gabriel_laddel mod6: what is your ultimate goal with the gentoo quest? [11:58]
mod6 it's in the logs. [11:58]
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mike_c http://i.imgur.com/XSCaapg.png [12:13]
mike_c we gotta get more chinese in here. [12:13]
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mod6 gabriel_laddel: also, it'll get discussed in the Monthly Address. [12:40]
mod6 so, stay tuned :] [12:40]
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mod6 incase anyone missed this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000093.html [13:15]
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ben_vulpes (it's a boy) [13:34]
mike_c ben_vulpes: your baby arrived? [13:38]
ben_vulpes naw, just the sonogram [13:38]
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mike_c ah. correct # of fingers and toes? [13:38]
ben_vulpes looked like [13:38]
ben_vulpes many measurements [13:39]
mike_c congrats! [13:39]
ben_vulpes then the machine ran out of paper and there were many windows error modals [13:39]
mike_c hehe [13:39]
mod6 ben_vulpes: congrats!! [13:39]
ben_vulpes ty mod6 [13:40]
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mod6 yw. glad to hear the good news. [13:42]
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ben_vulpes probly best to reserve congratulations for when it survives that first night on the porch [13:43]
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mike_c everybody's bringing their newborns to c4, right? [13:49]
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mircea_popescu mike_c omaigerd... [14:52]
mircea_popescu heh yeah. stoya is probably the defining woman of the 2000s. [14:54]
mircea_popescu shoulda been jolie's crown. but libertardism can ruin anything. [14:55]
felipelalli Finally in English: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37maml/the_fabulous_bitcoin_island/ - thank you danielpbarron for the help. [14:56]
mircea_popescu jurov in any case he means consumed not "consummate" [15:00]
mircea_popescu consummation is what happens to virgin brides. [15:01]
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mircea_popescu so now the choice is between system-d and system.html ? [15:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146904 << it's a crop. [15:03]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 13:45:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146846 << my first impression was that the instrument is a very long... spoon [15:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146910 << i think the idea is that the warning enhances the experience. [15:05]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 13:49:33; gabriel_laddel: So, they put up signs warning schoolgirls about being molested on the packed trains, but never put any effort into... putting personal space on the trains or the like. [15:05]
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mircea_popescu for the record, egypt had women only cars in the subway [15:06]
mircea_popescu i know because i got into one. [15:06]
chetty but you cant do that in the west, it wouldnt be fair to have women only stuffs [15:07]
mircea_popescu chetty oh remember how giggly they were when we ended up in the wrong car ? lol [15:08]
chetty hahahahaha [15:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146972 << most of the old jewish haunt, from berlin to moscow, is a huge pile of old books looking for new onwners [15:09]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 14:32:02; pete_dushenski: i've never seen so many beautifully preserved copies of literature, philosophy, history, biology, you name it. in german, french, latin, english too [15:09]
* mircea_popescu personally doesn't care about books anymore, but can readily see the collector's mindset. [15:10]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/XSCaapg.png << heh best cycles ever. we're getting back to the baseline, which was 1820 [15:12]
chetty I still like the feel of an actual book, but the worlds libraries on your lap is hard to beat [15:12]
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mike_c except for europe. i don't think they're going to turn it around [15:13]
mircea_popescu i think they are probably going to be 20-30% forever. [15:13]
mircea_popescu the last major invention in the world (the cellphone) is yurpean. [15:13]
mircea_popescu the last time the us invented something, hitler wasn't born yet. [15:14]
mike_c the nsa invented bitcoin [15:14]
mircea_popescu oh right, i forgot. [15:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1147000 << congrats! even thousdand too look at that. [15:14]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 16:29:59; ben_vulpes: (it's a boy) [15:14]
felipelalli ben_vulpes: congrats man! :) [15:15]
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mircea_popescu mod6 o hey check it out, early report [16:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: is anyone interested in seeing the (elementary) 4294967297 proof as a proper article ? [16:34]
asciilifeform or is it obvious to everyone by now [16:34]
mircea_popescu documenting things is always a good idea. [16:35]
mircea_popescu so go right ahead [16:35]
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asciilifeform well yes, but is there any part of it that isn't obvious [16:35]
mircea_popescu no. [16:35]
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williamdunne Mm should be in Bucharest in a couple of weeks.. [16:44]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: has anyone considered the effect of not storing 'orphan transactions' ? [16:49]
mod6 I can't remember if we discussed that or not, outside of the context of your OrphanageBurner [16:50]
asciilifeform not related [16:50]
asciilifeform or rather, not directly [16:51]
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asciilifeform our 0.5.3.x has MAX_ORPHAN_TRANSACTIONS but the boojum is that a malicious (or 'cosmic rayed') node can transmit orphan transaction of any size, iirc [16:52]
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asciilifeform 1) and thus, valgrind will not see this as a leak, because the memory is theoretically reclaimable [16:52]
mod6 ah! [16:53]
asciilifeform 2) tiny turds, stored and then reclaimed, lead to fragging [16:53]
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ben_vulpes interdasting [17:06]
asciilifeform about to try this. [17:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48949 @ 0.00030149 = 14.7576 BTC [-] [17:07]
ben_vulpes intentionally filling a 0.5.3.x with orphans? [17:07]
asciilifeform no, the opposite [17:07]
ben_vulpes *.x << contains thermonuke? [17:08]
asciilifeform naturally, with thermonuke also [17:08]
ben_vulpes about to try this. << still failing to parse [17:08]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it will make sense once you read the patch. [17:08]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html [17:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10865 @ 0.00030149 = 3.2757 BTC [-] [17:19]
asciilifeform gentlemen, start your engines. [17:20]
asciilifeform mine is at 87132 and counting. [17:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17919 @ 0.00030149 = 5.4024 BTC [-] [17:22]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 please consider this patch for your test rig [17:25]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:25]
* asciilifeform is stuck wondering why nobody tried this [17:27]
asciilifeform https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2012-3789 << the power ranger version [17:27]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu this patch sorta sits right down and has lunch right on top of your 'clean air filter' third rail discussed in c3. but this gordian knot -will- have to be cut one way or another. [17:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:31]
ben_vulpes why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform [17:36]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: because the simplest way to get more space, so to speak, in one's house, is to -stop- bringing in and keeping driftwood, dead animals, neighbour's garbage [17:37]
asciilifeform rather than building bigger house [17:37]
asciilifeform or hiring a housekeeper [17:37]
asciilifeform and ought to be tried first. [17:37]
asciilifeform !s hoarders buried alive [17:38]
assbot 0 results for 'hoarders buried alive' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hoarders+buried+alive [17:38]
asciilifeform ;;google hoarders buried alive [17:38]
gribble Hoarding: Buried Alive | TLC: ; Hoarding Moments Season 1 | Hoarding: Buried Alive | TLC: ; Hoarding: Buried Alive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [17:38]
asciilifeform ^ see also. [17:38]
asciilifeform 133060 & counting. [17:41]
asciilifeform ~69M. [17:41]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html << wow! nice. will review & start up a test on this later tonight. many thanks. :] [17:44]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: more seriously, the only kind of allocator that is a sure pill against fragging is a compacting one. which means -relocating- !! just picture this in a cpp proggy not originally designed for it [17:44]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sorta like the proverbial 'jet engine on a ford pinto' situation. [17:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00029847 = 11.8791 BTC [-] {2} [17:46]
ben_vulpes 'twasn't serious. [17:49]
mike_c slab allocation would prevent fragging too [17:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37563 @ 0.0003162 = 11.8774 BTC [+] [17:53]
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asciilifeform mike_c: slab only really works when we have a small number of known sizes of object [18:09]
mike_c like orphan blocks, no? [18:10]
asciilifeform mike_c: we no longer have orphan (bastard) blocks.. [18:10]
asciilifeform (or at least i don't) [18:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00029844 = 12.7135 BTC [-] {2} [18:10]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: incidentally, now that we have a bounded memory footprint, it may be time to try running pogo with swap space again [18:11]
asciilifeform danielpbarron ^ [18:11]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: iirc you had something set up for this ^ ? [18:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56020 @ 0.00031694 = 17.755 BTC [+] {2} [18:18]
danielpbarron yes my pogo uses 2 gigs of swap [18:18]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: incidentally, even though 'transaction orphanage amputator' may not be a magical pill against oom-on-pogo (my preliminary investigation suggests that it is -not-) it still rips out the idiotic ddos vector that every unbounded cache of anything whatsoever is. [18:41]
asciilifeform and yes, even with the count-bound, the in-practice bound on the tx orphanage bytewise is ridiculous - 5GB ? [18:42]
asciilifeform 'hoarders' belong in lunatic asylums. [18:43]
asciilifeform imagine having a special door in your house through which perfect strangers are invited to dump in up to five thousand tonnes of gravel. [18:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00030959 = 10.0926 BTC [-] {2} [18:45]
asciilifeform and in the case of 'pogo', the door is not in your house, but in... your car. [18:45]
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cazalla so it occurs to me that a #b-a version of archive.today might be useful, really nothing stopping whomever going back to edit archives whereas with our own, we could sign the archives we make [19:17]
scoopbot_revived DoJ Charges Dark Market Coupon Merchant http://qntra.net/2015/05/doj-charges-dark-market-coupon-merchant/ [19:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00029788 = 12.928 BTC [-] {3} [19:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00030254 = 5.5667 BTC [+] [19:24]
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cazalla hanbot, well of course someone can alter what they submit but they risk their rep in doing so if found out [19:30]
cazalla i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website) [19:31]
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asciilifeform 184650, ~166M [20:12]
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asciilifeform re: memory hunger: anyone investigated effect of https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17076_04/html/api_reference/CXX/envset_memory_max.html ? [20:27]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: ^^ [20:27]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: noooo [21:04]
ben_vulpes have not, no. [21:04]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: sorta like the proverbial 'jet engine on a ford pinto' situation. << obligatory: http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/ [21:06]
ben_vulpes "*** Update 7/18/06 *** You have to give the California Department of Motor Vehicles (the DMV) credit for creativity on this one. A DMV insider has disclosed to me that the DMV has made a formal request to a federal agency to rule if my Beetle constitutes a threat to national security based on what could happen if it got into the wrong hands."" << hah news to me since the last time i looked at the [21:09]
ben_vulpes thing [21:09]
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BingoBoingo It's copper theft season again http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article22358088.html [21:16]
cazalla half figured that was going to be an electrocution [21:18]
asciilifeform aaaaaand now for something completely different... [21:18]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [21:18]
cazalla common for people to get toasty'd on our rail way lines here trying to get at the copper [21:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: [21:18]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html [21:18]
asciilifeform (EXPERIMENTAL) IgProf Hooks Apparatus ! [21:18]
asciilifeform mod6: you can use this to create a blockheight vs heap plot [21:21]
asciilifeform just call getinfo along with profileheapdump [21:21]
mod6 oh, darn. ok im compiling right now with : bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE + { OrphanageBurner } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } [21:22]
mod6 think I should stop and compile that in as well? [21:22]
asciilifeform no hurry [21:22]
mod6 well, was going to launch this for a full sync test. [21:22]
mod6 nice tho!! [21:22]
asciilifeform (goes without saying that you need igprof on your box for this to work) [21:23]
* ben_vulpes dreams of a box beefy enough to run sync tests for every patch submitted [21:23]
mod6 i've never used it. im guessing i can just compile/install via 3rd party package? [21:23]
asciilifeform mod6: aha [21:23]
mod6 ok. [21:23]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: your hardware is not the limiting reactant here [21:24]
asciilifeform (the network is) [21:24]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: some several tb of disk would be nice [21:24]
ben_vulpes anyways, that's a nifty muntzing in the first one [21:25]
asciilifeform 2nd one is some dark magic, only serious sappers need apply [21:26]
mod6 do you reccommend "Scientific Linux 5" or "Scientific Linux 6"? [21:26]
asciilifeform mod6: i have never seen, smelled, touched - either. [21:26]
ben_vulpes selinux? when what hum how? [21:26]
mod6 oh, just looking for a version of IgProf to grab... maybe im looking at the wrong thing. [21:26]
asciilifeform http://igprof.org [21:27]
mod6 yeah, thats where i am, i just wasnt on the DL page, nm. [21:27]
asciilifeform btw, after dumping a heap profile snapshot, [21:33]
asciilifeform igprof-analyse -d -v -g -r MEM_TOTAL heap1 > heap1.txt [21:33]
asciilifeform and so forth [21:33]
asciilifeform gives the plain text output [21:33]
asciilifeform (just like many other profilers, this one craps out somewhat terse encoded transcript by default) [21:34]
asciilifeform this gives MEM_TOTAL (how much churned) [21:35]
asciilifeform other options (e.g., MEM_LIVE) described in manual. [21:35]
mod6 ok i'll come back to that, it's like a whole process to build that thing. [21:36]
asciilifeform http://igprof.org/analysis.html [21:36]
asciilifeform 'MEM_LIVE records the “live” memory – memory that hasn’t been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end of the application’s run, this will be the memory leaked by the job. If the profile statistics file was triggered during the running of the job, it is a snapshot of the heap, i.e. a heap profile. The statistic is accurate (not statistical) and records the number of bytes allocated a [21:37]
asciilifeform nd the number of calls involved.' [21:37]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/blockheight-115500_igprof_mem_live.txt [21:39]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: ^^^^ sample output [21:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00030928 = 13.6083 BTC [-] {3} [21:41]
asciilifeform ^ both orphanage-destroyers applied for this example run [21:42]
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mod6 oh wow, nice. [21:44]
asciilifeform aha. [21:44]
asciilifeform and you can get these -during runtime- now [21:45]
asciilifeform instead of waiting for the thing to die, as in valgrind. [21:45]
mod6 :] [21:45]
mod6 very cool [21:45]
asciilifeform also the thing appears to have better coverage of dynamic libs [21:47]
asciilifeform (if you have libs with debug symbols, will display line #s therein as well) [21:47]
asciilifeform iirc there might be some fancy html-output mode also. but - have not tried this yet. [21:48]
mod6 good deal. [21:51]
mod6 i'll work on building this tool here this weekend. [21:51]
mod6 well, maybe after this sync is done with these 2 patches anyway. gotta still write this SoBA yet. [21:52]
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ben_vulpes quick poll: who writes in cursive? [22:12]
* asciilifeform would, but had handwriting neural circuitry utterly nuked by alphabet switch in childhood [22:12]
* asciilifeform now can only write in the worst possible print [22:12]
asciilifeform interestingly, the longer i go without writing by hand, the more this part of brain rots [22:13]
asciilifeform i even found myself, as of 4-5 yrs ago, often writing the 2nd letter of a word first [22:13]
asciilifeform this -never- happened at any point when i actually picked up a pen on a daily basis (school) [22:14]
referredbyloper The cancer of bureaucracy: how it will destroy science, medicine, education; and eventually everything else. http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.mehy.2009.11.038 [22:15]
ben_vulpes referredbyloper: and who are you? [22:18]
ben_vulpes and hyu with that auto-downloading pdf [22:18]
ben_vulpes interestingly, the longer i go without writing by hand, the more this part of brain rots << expected behavior [22:19]
ben_vulpes i refuse to take notes on a computer [22:19]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: is there a russian equivalent to cursive? [22:20]
ben_vulpes of course there is [22:20]
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decimation asciilifeform: you can get some of this kind of data with 'perf' [22:21]
decimation which comes with the kernel [22:22]
decimation but not the details [22:22]
mod6 asciilifeform: full sync of bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE + { OrphanageBurner } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } underway [22:23]
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decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146983 < primarily it bought a whole pile of sunk costs in existing designs, plus serfs who know how to manipulate the tools [22:29]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 14:52:47; pete_dushenski: "Broadcom is known as a fabless company. It outsources all semiconductor manufacturing to Asian merchant foundries, such as GlobalFoundries, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, Silterra, TSMC, and United Microelectronics Corporation." << ahaha. so what the fuck did $37 bn even buy ? [22:29]
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decimation but when you consier that apple bought renasas for $0.48 bn, you gotta wonder if they are overpaying [22:30]
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mod6 <+asciilifeform> re: memory hunger: anyone investigated effect of https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17076_04/html/api_reference/CXX/envset_memory_max.html ? << I haven't, but I certainly wanna try this out. [22:35]
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mod6 What's the memory cap that you wanna use on a pogo? 256Mb? [22:35]
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rwg danielpbarron, yo [22:39]
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decimation http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?page_id=6 < "One project where my friend and officemate Steven T. Kent (now chief scientist and vice president at BBN, and a chief advisor to NSA) and I lost was our strong argument to put mandatory end-to-end encryption into TCP (and adaptations of the ideas to UDP-based protocols, such as RTP, hich I worked out but abandoned). " [22:41]
mod6 asciilifeform: in the igprof_mem_live output, is the "Total" column in aggregate bytes - a sum of all bytes from the call's of said function? [22:41]
decimation "Steve?s design was rejected, not because it was unsound, but because NSA did not want to see ANY encryption work going on in the public domain ARPA project, some say because they did not want to see the world be ?too secure? by default. (Rivest and friends had just invented RSA, and the government was trying to declare it Top Secret, then later prohibited under ITAR munitions control export laws)." [22:41]
danielpbarron hi rwg ! [22:42]
danielpbarron do you know how to gpg ? [22:42]
decimation mod6: here's how to read the output http://igprof.org/text-output-format.html [22:49]
decimation by my eye, it looks to me that ThreadMessageHandler(void*) is a turd [22:50]
mod6 thx decimation [22:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00031052 = 11.3185 BTC [+] [22:50]
mod6 have you looked at ThreadMessageHandler2 ? [22:54]
mod6 wait, these are not just bytes allocated during calls, these are LEAKED BYTES?! [22:55]
decimation actually CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int) [10] [22:57]
decimation yes [22:57]
mod6 lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?! [22:58]
decimation yes but noted that the leaks were all in its children [22:58]
mod6 asciilifeform: how long (how many blocks) was bitcoind sync'ing while you took this sample? [22:58]
decimation if you follow that trail you find it's AddToBlockIndex [22:58]
mod6 ahh. ok [22:59]
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mod6 asciilifeform: oh nm, 115500, didn't see that in the URL [23:00]
mod6 decimation: i see now [23:01]
mod6 26'370'420 / 26'370'420 346'503 / 346'503 CBlock::AcceptBlock() [11] [23:01]
mod6 leads to [23:01]
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mod6 26'370'420 / 26'370'612 346'503 / 346'506 CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int) [10] [23:02]
decimation There is all kinds of allocation that happens in that fuction [23:02]
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decimation this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost [23:02]
mod6 !up ascii_modem [23:03]
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ascii_modem nonono not leaks [23:04]
ascii_modem plz read manual [23:04]
mod6 aight, me goes back to it. [23:04]
ascii_modem there are no leaks in the usual sense [23:04]
ascii_modem the flat graph from mod6 tells us this [23:04]
ascii_modem thinkaboutit [23:05]
ascii_modem as for the memlimit thing, it has to do with bdb only! [23:05]
ascii_modem and 256m is insane, we only have 128 total [23:06]
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mod6 ah, ok, couldn't remember the amt. [23:06]
ascii_modem db should't get more than 4 or at most 8 [23:06]
mod6 and yea, just for db. [23:06]
mod6 ok [23:06]
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ascii_modem and - plz remember how to read profilers - the 'turd' is merely the procedure that is at the root of call graph tree [23:07]
ascii_modem so naturally will appear 'heavy' because 'all roads lead to rome' [23:07]
mod6 yah, werd. [23:07]
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decimation asciilifeform: all roads lead to home, yes, but home is a good place to start examining each potential pathway [23:14]
decimation mod6: so you did a graph of vmstat calls? Is that what ascii is talking about? [23:19]
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mod6 decimation: ah, no. graphs are from nmon. there is a document that goes along with all of that. it's in the mailing list and in the http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/ root [23:33]
mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/nmon_tests_201505.txt [23:33]
decimation so the goal here is to reduce memory use, not to find leaks? [23:33]
mod6 is that directed at me with my perf tests? or at asciilifeform? [23:34]
decimation I guess at ascii, why he bothered with igprof [23:34]
decimation presumably the 'leaks' were found by igprof because he killed it after running a certain time, so memory wasn't freed? [23:35]
mod6 yeah, im not even sure what i'm looking at anymore with that igprof stuff yet. [23:35]
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mod6 i was just getting started reading and got pulled away for a minute. [23:35]
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mod6 but as far as the nmon tests, I wanted to system level profile the entire sync process -- get some visuals, see what we're looking at as far as overall system usage, etc. [23:36]
decimation it defintely thinks those areas are leaks, but that might be because of how it was killed, not because it was actually leaked (in the sense of the pointer was lost) [23:36]
mod6 yeah, im not sure. i need to read more there. [23:36]
decimation I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke) [23:36]
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mod6 in addition to the valgrind tests that ascii did earlier this month, i was going to dig into some of that myself in june. [23:37]
mod6 and now, maybe learn the ropes on igprof. [23:37]
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mod6 <+decimation> I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke) << ahh [23:38]
asciilifeform decimation: where do you see leaks ? [23:39]
asciilifeform and i will add, nothing was killed, that thing is running even now, without interruption [23:40]
decimation the igprof documentation says that the report shows memory leaks [23:40]
asciilifeform decimation: all i noticed is the same 'pocket change' leaks as valgrind shows [23:41]
decimation "MEM_LIVE records the ?live? memory ? memory that hasn?t been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end of the application?s run, this will be the memory leaked by the job. If the profile statistics file was triggered during the running of the job, it is a snapshot of the heap, i.e. a heap profile. The statistic is accurate (not statistical) and records the number of bytes allocated and the number of c [23:41]
mod6 so the docs say, "MEM_LIVE records the ``live'' memory -- memory that hasn't been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end [23:41]
mod6 haha. was just typing that out ^^ [23:41]
asciilifeform well no shit it wasn't freed [23:41]
asciilifeform it is in use ! [23:41]
asciilifeform as in, actually alive [23:41]
decimation ah so it wasn't killed, that makes sense [23:41]
asciilifeform this is not valgrind! it does not need the process to terminate. [23:41]
mod6 cool. [23:42]
* mod6 goes back to reading [23:42]
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decimation asciilifeform: so is your goal to trim out all the 'inactive' memory use? [23:42]
decimation so that it fits more comfortably in the pogo? [23:42]
asciilifeform decimation: my goal is to get it to sit down in 120M or so. [23:42]
asciilifeform whatever it takes. [23:42]
asciilifeform there is no acceptable reason for the thing not to go in this very generous box. [23:43]
asciilifeform in fact, i want it in 32M. [23:43]
decimation heh. you realize this means you are gonna probably have to discard all the C++ shit [23:43]
asciilifeform decimation: aaaaand without any major rewrite. [23:44]
asciilifeform just by taking every piece of retarded cruft and shooting it in the head. [23:44]
decimation yeah there's tons of cruft in there, no doubt [23:44]
asciilifeform every piece of 'orphan' nonsense, where thing works 100% as well with it gone [23:44]
asciilifeform every kind of cache [23:44]
asciilifeform every idiot dependency that just adds retardation (e.g., dns) [23:45]
decimation resolving the fixed hostnames? [23:45]
asciilifeform every piece of shit that gets stored & kept around for no reason [23:45]
asciilifeform fuck the fixed hostnames [23:45]
asciilifeform didn't i kill those already ? [23:45]
decimation I'm not sure, I need to get back on the patch train [23:46]
mod6 <+ascii_modem> nonono not leaks << ok i see, so with -mp in the MEM_LIVE output we're just seeing a live heap. not leaks as the other doc page said. [23:47]
mod6 <+ascii_modem> there are no leaks in the usual sense <+ascii_modem> the flat graph from mod6 tells us this << right [23:47]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_live.txt [23:47]
asciilifeform and [23:47]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_max.txt [23:47]
asciilifeform ^ where it is now [23:47]
mod6 that other page about "text-output-format.html" threw me off. [23:47]
* mod6 looks [23:48]
asciilifeform l0l extra 0 in there [23:48]
asciilifeform rather, extra 1 [23:48]
asciilifeform 172660, meant. [23:48]
decimation asciilifeform: does it slow the processing down (igprof)? [23:49]
asciilifeform decimation: not noticeably [23:49]
decimation interesting. [23:49]
asciilifeform then again, it is running on a very generously oversized box [23:49]
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asciilifeform ;;calc 144897106 - 74026911 [23:50]
gribble 70870195 [23:50]
asciilifeform where the hell did -these- go ? [23:50]
asciilifeform this is -exactly- my complaint with valgrind. [23:51]
mod6 http://www.loper-os.org/pub/172660_mem_max.txt << 404 [23:51]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_max.txt [23:51]
asciilifeform yes, it's a typo [23:51]
mod6 OH, i didn't actually need to take the extranious '1' out. gotcha [23:52]
asciilifeform i'd fix it, but these links are not intended as permanent [23:52]
asciilifeform i want everybody to try this at home. [23:52]
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decimation asciilifeform: your complaint is that valgrind doesn't catch all the memory use? [23:54]
asciilifeform aha [23:54]
asciilifeform trivially verified with pmap [23:54]
asciilifeform let's put it another way: [23:56]
asciilifeform there is absolutely no reason for bitcoind to ever use more than at most a few MB more than when it first boots. [23:56]
asciilifeform is there even any reason ever to keep more than one or two (second being, one that is in the process of load/verify) blocks in ram at one time [23:57]
decimation asciilifeform: it appears a big chunk of the memory in use is tied up in the CBlockIndex class [23:59]
asciilifeform decimation: that might be the bdb cache [23:59]
asciilifeform (see earlier link) [23:59]
asciilifeform it does -not- appear to grow significantly as the thing runs [23:59]
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