Forum logs for 30 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [00:15]
gribble Current Blocks: 358608 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 239 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47477961159.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.72402 [00:15]
cazalla [00:17]
decimation whatever clicked on apparently clicked off [00:17]
asciilifeform decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only [00:19]
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mircea_popescu maybe it was just noise. [00:22]
asciilifeform gentlemen! anyone else play with my patches from last night ? [00:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only << But if you replaced the drywall with classically done plaster... [00:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time [00:24]
asciilifeform imho the preoccupation with man-sized faraday cages is a classic usg idiocy [00:25]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time << might as well look it up nao while waiting waiting for 1nd and third opinions on the orphan slaughter [00:25]
asciilifeform plugging the wrong end of the funnel as always [00:25]
asciilifeform last i heard, they had a mobile one made for the fuhrer himself [00:25]
asciilifeform which he has to step out of every time he wants to check main on his iPnohe [00:26]
asciilifeform *mail [00:26]
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RUchimp No need to voice, just gonna idle and see whats goin on. [00:28]
asciilifeform RUchimp: consider reading the log on www [00:28]
asciilifeform RUchimp: [00:28]
decimation asciilifeform: did you see this: [00:29]
BingoBoingo RUchimp: Introductions never hurt [00:29]
decimation avago is probably going to slice and dice broadcom, sell off peices [00:29]
asciilifeform if broadcom were hit by plague or asteroids, i'm not certain that i would notice or care [00:30]
asciilifeform and would certainly shed not one tear. [00:30]
asciilifeform unfortunately, their products will remain with us. [00:30]
decimation heh yeah agreed [00:30]
RUchimp Sorry, using a different handle [00:31]
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decimation interestingly it was acquired by the former hp semiconductor division based in singapore, run by chinese [00:31]
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decimation asciilifeform: also related [00:32]
decimation intel is gonna buy altera, after minting their chips for years [00:32]
* asciilifeform waits for cocacola to buy pepsi [00:33]
decimation heh [00:33]
decimation more like pepsi being bought by its combined bottlers [00:33]
asciilifeform the not-so-secret here is that intel wants to bake fpga directly on x86 die [00:33]
asciilifeform for the usg market [00:33]
asciilifeform which orbits around deep-packet shenanigans and likes fpga [00:33]
decimation sure [00:34]
asciilifeform and infinite money [00:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8982 @ 0.00033584 = 3.0165 BTC [+] [00:34]
decimation but what's the probability that intel can deliver this functionality with non-retarded tools? [00:34]
asciilifeform decimation: there is no question of non-retarded tools. in so far as is known, intel's entire toolchain is winblows [00:34]
asciilifeform even their joke of an 'open' bios is built in vs, with megs (yes) of .bat script as build chain [00:35]
asciilifeform at any rate, this product is 'not for people' [00:35]
decimation also note that this is a tacit admission by intel that they can mint lots of transistors but have no idea how their customers want the transistors to be arranged [00:36]
asciilifeform afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked [00:36]
decimation yeah they keep trying to make mobile shit [00:37]
decimation the writing on the wall is that the xeon stuff isn't gonna keep making money forever, especially when intel can only deliever 20% improvement per 5 years [00:38]
BingoBoingo afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked << I remember the netbook dying as soon as AMD had chips that could win this niche. [00:39]
decimation umm, where are amd netbooks? [00:42]
decimation netbook died because it cut out profits for everyone [00:42]
decimation < "But the latest leak has revealed more. The agreement would also prohibit countries from enacting free and open source software mandates" [00:42]
* asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard [00:42]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah but did you notice that the tablets that 'replaced' the netbook have less functionality? [00:43]
asciilifeform naturally [00:43]
decimation and cost twice as much [00:44]
trinque << this was a particularly weird market for intel to get into, afaik nothing has come of it [00:50]
trinque hm that one doesn't describe exactly what I was looking for [00:51]
trinque I recall Intel saying they were going to make their own streaming service [00:51]
trinque [00:52]
BingoBoingo * asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard << Life for it I saw on campuses was people who wanted laptop, but didn't want to carry a laptop. Same people the next years I saw with heavier tablet/keyboard combos [00:52]
trinque << bahahaha [00:53]
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BingoBoingo netbook as notetaking machine was a solid niche [00:55]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the crapification of 'netbook' stands out in clear, cartoon colours when compared with something like the 1997-1999 toshiba 'libretto' [00:56]
BingoBoingo yeah [00:56]
asciilifeform machine in all respects similar, but with decent keyboard and sans the 'disposable' chinese plastic feel [00:56]
trinque asciilifeform: apparently now refers to a tablet monstrosity [00:56]
asciilifeform all models after '110ct' were halfway to the kind of garbage now familiar as 'netbook' [00:57]
danielpbarron << i used one of these things with debian [00:57]
asciilifeform ^ that's an ordinary laptop [00:58]
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decimation asciilifeform: yeah where are modern 'librettos' or hp lx200s? [01:00]
asciilifeform decimation: in the same place as modern lisp machine [01:01]
decimation or a portable machine with error correcting memory? [01:01]
asciilifeform nowhere, unless mircea_popescu had one hand-soldered for his use by pretty gurlz [01:01]
mircea_popescu laptocks sup. [01:02]
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asciilifeform !b 3 [01:02]
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decimation mircea_popescu: why is a laptop worse than a standard workstation console? [01:03]
decimation other than the obvious ergonomic issues [01:03]
asciilifeform why is a pine stake worse than a bar stool? [01:03]
mircea_popescu othar than ? [01:04]
asciilifeform other than the ergonomic issues [01:04]
mircea_popescu ;;google laptop si oo coapte [01:04]
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mircea_popescu google, you suck. [01:04]
mircea_popescu decimation the notion of carrying a portable cooker in your lap as a male should be pretty self-defeating [01:04]
decimation yes, but in exchange for poor posture, you gain 'can carry with luggage' [01:04]
decimation mircea_popescu: of course, don't rest it on your balls [01:04]
mircea_popescu because what, i'm the servant, and gotta make do with whatever ? [01:04]
trinque lol I try to keep the thing away from the balls [01:04]
mircea_popescu luggage is what i say it is [01:04]
mircea_popescu not what some clerk somewhere feels like lifting up [01:05]
asciilifeform e.g. trinitron [01:05]
asciilifeform (what do you do when clerk drops the trinitron ?) [01:05]
mircea_popescu but all this aside, not that more's needed : i never bought a premade computer in my lyf. [01:06]
asciilifeform charge the airline what it'd cost to blow a new one ? [01:06]
mircea_popescu i don't see why i would, either. [01:06]
decimation or you want information in your console while in transit [01:06]
decimation that's a better argument, but still lame given that most computing components use close designs; firmware [01:06]
decimation in fact, why not use a stallman 'libreboot' laptop? [01:06]
mircea_popescu by this reason, since all humans use closed designs, there's no benefit to accounting [01:07]
mircea_popescu cmon. [01:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116553 @ 0.00033976 = 39.6 BTC [+] {4} [01:07]
mircea_popescu the fact that i decide the matches is actually sufficient. [01:07]
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cazalla interest part of an aussie article [01:07]
cazalla interesting even [01:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: y'know, at some point one of us needs to write the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article. [01:07]
mircea_popescu i thought it was written [01:08]
asciilifeform not afaik [01:08]
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asciilifeform iirc it exists as two sentences in an old mircea_popescu piece, and several dozen lines of log here [01:08]
mircea_popescu well then go for it! [01:09]
decimation !s diddling [01:09]
assbot 70 results for 'diddling' : [01:09]
trinque ^ I'd have expected far more [01:09]
* asciilifeform shiva hands full, will be writing broadcast -and- testing 32 rng units this weekend [01:09]
trinque any idea what a cardano might cost yet? [01:10]
decimation asciilifeform: I certainly understanding that having firmware in hand is not a full defense against diddling, but it is a strong start [01:10]
asciilifeform trinque: as a rough guide, expect it to cost around what your computer cost. [01:11]
asciilifeform (deliberately roomy set of bounds here, yes) [01:12]
trinque yep [01:12]
decimation raspberry pi or xeon server? [01:12]
trinque as the thing has no real alternative.. should command a price that reflects it [01:13]
asciilifeform trinque: understand that the first crate will be given to mircea_popescu, who has the unenviable chore of deciding precisely what to do with it [01:13]
trinque ah k [01:13]
mircea_popescu i've had worse. [01:14]
* asciilifeform tries to picture this 'worse' [01:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what are we looking at here, product available by autumn ? [01:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if our manufacturing phriends continue their good work, then very much so. incidentally i am in the process of investigating a possible alternative firm [01:15]
asciilifeform just in case. [01:15]
mircea_popescu cool. [01:15]
* asciilifeform really wishes presently that someone might fix the engine in therealbitcoin train, because presently it appears to only move when i push it [01:17]
asciilifeform for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ? [01:18]
asciilifeform it is necessary for, e.g., pogo [01:18]
asciilifeform and overall retardation removal [01:19]
mircea_popescu lol conductor's fallacy eh. [01:19]
asciilifeform ? [01:20]
mircea_popescu jurov's trying to get you folks to stop ruining his mailer an mod6's been profiling to quote jus' off top of head [01:24]
cazalla how's this.. muh bank uses this select 3 icons from 9 icons as 2FA when logging in except they've recently changed all the icons except the 3 i use to login [01:27]
trinque probably did that for everbody, and made some distinction about "legacy" icons or some nonsense [01:27]
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trinque re: bitcoind thread, I'm a hair above useless in C++, and also swapping heavily; however, maybe a page on the foundation site for available missions might help? [01:28]
mircea_popescu lulzy [01:28]
trinque as somebody who might have an afternoon here or there, that plus the right sequence of patches to get to whatever the present state is would help me contribute time efficiently [01:29]
mircea_popescu trinque it's a republic not a corporation, ppls are supposed to pick up stuff they're good at and a good fit for [01:29]
mircea_popescu corporation is "gotta give everyone something to fill their company hours with" [01:30]
asciilifeform l0l [01:30]
trinque yeah, that makes sense [01:30]
* asciilifeform fondling argentine 100 peso banknote in left hand, notices mention of 'social justice' on one side [01:31]
trinque probably no easy way to make the deturding casual side-work [01:32]
asciilifeform l0l what do you suppose it is for me [01:33]
trinque hey man, you lamented the lack of hands [01:33]
trinque I suspect we all have to eat [01:33]
trinque however, when the republic starts its first software company give me a holler :D [01:33]
asciilifeform eh you need money for that [01:34]
trinque actually, I guess the ministry of games takes that cake [01:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform el minimo respeto! [01:34]
* asciilifeform falls d0wn [01:34]
mircea_popescu trinque speaking of which, game got icons! for all the... 1k!!11 items involved. [01:35]
mircea_popescu and player models. [01:35]
mircea_popescu and so on. [01:35]
trinque nice [01:35]
trinque I downloaded it for to be checking out maybe this weekend [01:35]
mircea_popescu nah not released yet. [01:35]
trinque ah ok [01:35]
mircea_popescu that's an old version, 0.1 will be coming out! [01:35]
trinque found a link somewheres [01:35]
trinque sweet! [01:35]
mircea_popescu currently it's 0.0.4 iirc [01:36]
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decimation !up liquidassets [02:01]
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liquidassets Can't wait to lose the chaff when they go on their fork [02:03]
liquidassets [02:04]
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danielpbarron liquidassets, nice work [02:16]
liquidassets I'm mostly spectator for now [02:17]
liquidassets but it's interesting to watch [02:17]
liquidassets plenty of skin in the game.. [02:18]
liquidassets you know what this world lacks? at least the world I've grown up in..? [02:18]
liquidassets discernment [02:18]
liquidassets no one knows who the fuck knows what they're actually talking about [02:19]
liquidassets no one knows how to shut their mouth, put their head down, and follow. [02:19]
danielpbarron speaking of which, get in the WoT [02:20]
liquidassets Or discern what is what or who is real [02:20]
mircea_popescu liquidassets who're you ? [02:27]
liquidassets mirchea_popescu: right here [02:28]
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liquidassets ok..uncloaked this time again..unsure about my gpg skills [02:28]
liquidassets I always seem to lose the ability to log on..seems I have the best luck with the link to irc #b-a from the mainpage [02:29]
liquidassets but have had a terrible time using colloquy from my desktop [02:30]
mircea_popescu ;;google colloquy [02:30]
gribble Colloquy: IRC, SILC & ICB Client: ; COLLOQUY | Loyalty Talks: ; Colloquy | Definition of colloquy by Merriam-Webster: [02:30]
liquidassets ok, here goes: newb me..liquidassets this time [02:31]
mircea_popescu i think everyone here uses xchat or irssi [02:31]
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mircea_popescu !up liquidassets [02:32]
-assbot- You voiced liquidassets for 30 minutes. [02:32]
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danielpbarron handle 20 MB blocks right now. [02:35]
danielpbarron do support bigger blocks and sooner rather than later. But we cannot [02:35]
danielpbarron >> Hello. I am from F2Pool. We are currently mining the biggest blocks on the network. So far top 100 biggest bitcoin blocks are all from us. We [02:35]
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decimation pete_dushenski: are you still in der Schweiz? [02:41]
liquidassets fuck yeah Pete's here [02:41]
liquidassets pete_dushenski: I remember when I beat you 15-0: 15-0 weren't you at that Vancouver tournament? [02:43]
danielpbarron !up pete_dushenski [02:44]
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pete_dushenski thx dan ! [02:44]
pete_dushenski liquidassets eh ? [02:44]
pete_dushenski i'm guessing you mean badminton, but i don't recall having ever played in vancouver [02:45]
liquidassets Heh he, so you remember then [02:45]
pete_dushenski not that i was never bagelled. [02:45]
liquidassets okay maybe you got a few points [02:45]
pete_dushenski liquidassets would i remember your irl name ? [02:45]
liquidassets Looks like you do..? [02:46]
pete_dushenski lol nope. [02:46]
liquidassets oh nvrmind dan p.. [02:46]
pete_dushenski i played tournies in montreal, winnipeg, saskatoon, calgary, edmonton... and golf tournaments in victoria... but i really dun think i played badminton in vancouver. [02:47]
liquidassets hmm maybe not, but you look pretty familiar, I'm almost certain we were at a few of the same tourneys [02:47]
liquidassets I've played in Montreal and Calgary if I remember correctly, I know for sure I was in Quebec [02:48]
liquidassets we're talking 96' maybe.. [02:48]
pete_dushenski then you're mistaken, my man. [02:49]
pete_dushenski i was playing 5-10 years later. [02:49]
liquidassets did you start later? [02:50]
pete_dushenski decimation yup, au lausanne aujourd'hui [02:50]
liquidassets yeah I was done by 2000 [02:51]
decimation sounds like a nice place [02:51]
pete_dushenski decimation finally get to lean on my french a bit ! [02:51]
pete_dushenski liquidassets later than what ? [02:51]
decimation heh yeah isn't the north and central more german-speaking? [02:51]
pete_dushenski 2000 ? ya [02:51]
pete_dushenski decimation mhm [02:51]
pete_dushenski though in bern, everyone says "merci" [02:52]
pete_dushenski instead of danke [02:52]
pete_dushenski even though hardly anyone but bartenders speaks a lick of french [02:52]
pete_dushenski liquidassets did you ever win any tournaments ? [02:53]
liquidassets Any? sure [02:54]
pete_dushenski such as ? [02:55]
liquidassets I thought for sure we played doubles at some point. Haven't been into it for awhile [02:55]
liquidassets no big tournaments..actually I won one mixed doubles international tournament. My partner I was set up with was from Taipei [02:56]
pete_dushenski liquidassets well, the "p" surname doesn't really give me much to go on. [02:56]
liquidassets you were talking to the other dan... [02:56]
pete_dushenski when ? where ? be specific man. we don't have to dance around all day [02:57]
mircea_popescu laters mob [02:58]
liquidassets Manhattan Beach used to have an international badminton tournament every year [02:58]
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mircea_popescu on the topic of "the broken husk of a world the imbeciles born before us left behind", and the sacrifices ~IT~ must make to redeem itself and become acceptable for us, [06:17]
mircea_popescu chick has an excellent description (in her area of interest) that is not merely of the area in question, but of the world in general [06:18]
mircea_popescu which is the common and imo sensible criterion to distinguish the artist from the common (wo)man : the world in a raindrop effect. [06:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33613 @ 0.0003348 = 11.2536 BTC [+] [06:24]
mircea_popescu and in otherr news, [06:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00033135 = 3.349 BTC [-] [06:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19343 @ 0.00033135 = 6.4093 BTC [-] [06:51]
scoopbot_revived OKCoin Ver Dispute Escalates [06:51]
cazalla that is probably the worst tumblr link i've yet to see in here [06:53]
mircea_popescu cazalla nice. [06:54]
mircea_popescu haha, why ? [06:54]
mircea_popescu "raffic which is claimed by Zhang to be around 2500 unique visitors per day." lulziest part. [06:55]
cazalla because not even samuel l jackson had that in mind when he said he eats everything [06:57]
cazalla fuck, got my zhous and zhangs mixed up [06:57]
mircea_popescu you never ate a chicks nose drool ? [06:58]
cazalla these guys just moved on from alibaba to bitcoin it seems [06:58]
cazalla not consciously but hey whatever pleases you [06:58]
cazalla you do all sorts of crazy shit on that sherm eh [06:59]
mircea_popescu apparently. [06:59]
cazalla watched that last night, at least for the first time in full, not a bad movie [06:59]
mircea_popescu true romance ? it's great, provided you have the director's cut [07:00]
mircea_popescu what the studio released is piss. and the comparison an interesting exercise in how "management" can fuck up a movie even when having everything needed for greatness in a neat package. [07:00]
cazalla well shit, i'm not sure which copy i have [07:01]
mircea_popescu does it end with them on a beach ? [07:01]
cazalla yeah, with a kid [07:01]
mircea_popescu piss. [07:01]
cazalla what's the difference, just the ending? [07:02]
mircea_popescu some bits here and there, and the ending, yeah. [07:03]
mircea_popescu but qt was fucking incensed at the time, and i agree he had a point. [07:04]
chetty I been hearing an ad for a TV show ...Dark Web, apparently all about Silk Road [07:05]
cazalla mr robot? [07:06]
cazalla is pretty sure that one is about them [07:06]
cazalla [07:07]
mircea_popescu cazalla kinda what adolescents have been doing since forever, neh ? pick a movie/music video/whatevs and imagine it was "about them". [07:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.00032933 = 19.8915 BTC [-] [07:11]
cazalla well it wouldn't be the first time tv writers have use chans for story lines [07:13]
mircea_popescu or vice-versa >D [07:14]
cazalla yeah that too.. other idea is that the writers are shitposting about their show to drum up some viral marketing type shit knowing that /pol/ will and has run with it [07:15]
mircea_popescu anyway, in fairness what i'm saying is that i don't believe that chan is impressive enough in bodycount to constitute a market anyone would wish to cater to, creating the tv version of hot topic, nor intellectually impressive enough to constitute anyone's thought leadership. [07:15]
mircea_popescu but i could be wrong on either score, obviously. [07:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75700 @ 0.00032838 = 24.8584 BTC [-] {3} [07:16]
mircea_popescu if you feel like giving me a top 5 or whatever most relevant ideas coming out of /pol/ i'd read it. [07:16]
cazalla 5 might be a little tough [07:17]
mircea_popescu i'll take anything. [07:17]
cazalla well i guess the multi-culti immigration might be a start, not that i mind immigrants but i think they are somewhat right in that it undermines social trust in a community [07:20]
mircea_popescu this is by no means a novel point, or all that aptly expressed there, is it ? [07:21]
cazalla i just see my own anecdotes mirrored there.. grew up in a homogeneous society where everywhere knew everyone.. 25 years later that is no longer the case [07:22]
cazalla but then the argument usually veers towards this being the fault of jews [07:23]
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cazalla but then that is sorta like blacks blaming whites for their predicament [07:23]
mircea_popescu well at least it's not blaming the freemasons. [07:23]
mircea_popescu or loose women [07:24]
cazalla they blame both of those too [07:24]
mircea_popescu (actually, there IS a trend of angry older men trying to make these issues about "whores", but general social discourse's keeping them well repressed atm) [07:24]
mircea_popescu ahga. [07:24]
cazalla they blame loose women for the down fall of the family unit [07:25]
cazalla don't get me wrong.. i like the idea of a strong family unit.. but i also like the idea of loose whores provided the strong family doesn't find out [07:25]
mircea_popescu anyway i suspect there isn't a way out. historically, the "civilised world" was rich and powerful because it enjoyed a monopoly on trade, built out of scientific and military effort. the twerps in question, joe average, decided to quit supporting the industrial-military complex (chiefly because they got burned twice in 16-18 and then in 39-44, and it hurt badly, esp the 2nd time, and so it's understandable) [07:26]
mircea_popescu as a result, it collapsed, and as a result there is absolutely no reason they should make more than a dollar a day. [07:26]
mircea_popescu which is where everyone's headed, from alabama to tasmania. [07:26]
mircea_popescu which i don't see any problem whatsoever with, but then again i'm privileged, or as alf put it, "rootless kosmopolitanski" [07:27]
cazalla so i still read /pol/ daily but i can easily point out where i am hypocritcal on just about everything discussed there.. do as i say, not as i do sort of thing is really what it comes down to [07:27]
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mircea_popescu the question of "what exactly is so speshul about joe doe that he should live other than in a hovel like random nigerian" is paramount, and none of the anti-imigration types seem inclined to address it. [07:28]
mircea_popescu so... why is he special ? [07:28]
mircea_popescu once we get an answer to that we can start discussing how to oppress the nigerian again, at which point "immigration policy" may be on the agenda. not befoar. [07:29]
mircea_popescu and the family unit is more of the same. why should 85% have any access to women at all, and why should the 1% not get 94% of all the pleasantly nubile stoyas out there, with the remainder 6% going to the 14% aspirational betas ? [07:30]
cazalla well he's not special and in saying that, i'm not special, but i like but can't explain my desire of social cohesion, which is why i like the hitler videos with endless crowds [07:32]
mircea_popescu that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram. [07:32]
cazalla i don't have egalitarian values so that the minority get the majority of anything does not bother me [07:32]
mircea_popescu cazalla there is something to be said for social cohesion, the problem with it is that it tends to flow towards all-germany / all-russia sort of constructs. [07:33]
mircea_popescu either trench warfare or "great leap forward" sorta crap. [07:33]
mircea_popescu society (as an immanent beast in human affairs) is scared to death of it, these days. i can see why. [07:34]
mircea_popescu i suspect for a while yet the only real social cohesion to be head will be in mmorpg raiding parties. [07:34]
mircea_popescu had* [07:34]
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mircea_popescu previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow, which i find very weird. [07:35]
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cazalla i would guess because the last thing that matters is the music.. it's all seating arrangements etc now [07:36]
cazalla tickets, cds, tshirts.. it's an expensive hobby these days [07:37]
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mircea_popescu maybe so [07:39]
cazalla mmorpg raids is an interesting thought.. i wonder what race demos of that is [07:39]
mircea_popescu i personally care a lot more about the fact that there are no movies/bands/anything worth going to see [07:39]
mircea_popescu than the fact that some random immigrant's drooling over random 16yo neighbour. [07:39]
cazalla my problem with immigrants is that i grew up knowing my neighbours, my community, it was homogeneous and everyone knew everyone (also was a small town) [07:40]
mircea_popescu broadway's fucking dead, think about it - it was born out of the need to provide entertainment on the cheap for the hordes of stated insland escapees [07:40]
cazalla in the suburbs just outside the city there is none of that and the idea that you know who lives around you is a foreign idea to everyone i've met down here [07:40]
mircea_popescu and now... what ? da fuck does it do. [07:40]
mircea_popescu cazalla well the idea of community based on geographic proximity / random accident like that is certainly taken a beating on account of the internets. used to be you had a shot at random neighouring cunt just on the grounds of being neighbouring, at some point. [07:42]
mircea_popescu nowadays location's nigh on irrelevant. [07:42]
cazalla yes i remember a trilema article along the lines of this [07:42]
cazalla or maybe it was discussed in logs but made sense in any case [07:42]
mircea_popescu prolly was. [07:42]
cazalla pol also made it clear that prior generations always had one that came after it which was seen as worse than the one before it, at least until now [07:44]
mircea_popescu not true. [07:44]
cazalla it's sorta agreed there that this might be the first generation which is more of a pussy than the last [07:45]
mircea_popescu human civilisation fails periodically. [07:45]
mircea_popescu russia and central europe had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 90s. [07:45]
mircea_popescu china had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 30s, that's what the entire revolution was about. china actually has lots of these. [07:45]
mircea_popescu pick a country and i'll tell you at least one example. [07:46]
cazalla i believe you, just sorta reveals the size of the timeline you and i think on [07:46]
mircea_popescu austria had one during friedrich's reign and most of europe had one in the 1790s / 1800s [07:46]
cazalla the world began in 1982, didn't ya know? :P [07:47]
mircea_popescu ah, there is that. [07:47]
mircea_popescu heck, woodstock is exactly this "you suck" moment of the us. much blander than historically the norm. [07:48]
mircea_popescu (friedrich of teschen, for the readership. ww1 implosion) [07:49]
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scoopbot_revived Tiganii daca erau... [08:44]
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mircea_popescu incidentally re BingoBoingo danielpbarron or anyone still having a shitter acct : tell the girl i'm giving her 1 bitcoin and help her collect ? [09:06]
mircea_popescu but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it. [09:06]
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mircea_popescu << lol this should be fun to watch. [09:32]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 06:10:25; pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out [09:32]
mircea_popescu hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo. [09:35]
* mircea_popescu would like to see a pink wv beetle with an avenger gun mounted. [09:36]
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mircea_popescu "it can do 0-100 in 27 seconds going forward on the engine and 0-100 in 0.5 seconds going backwards on the gun" [09:38]
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cazalla heh [09:43]
mircea_popescu "it also can take out any police vehicle in one shot" [09:47]
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williamdunne mircea_popescu: Doing [11:11]
williamdunne Done [11:13]
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mircea_popescu danke [11:45]
mircea_popescu !up yang [11:45]
-assbot- You voiced yang for 30 minutes. [11:45]
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mircea_popescu yang what is this fsf thing doing ? is it still even active ? [11:45]
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punkman probably how some of the 50% discount starbuck giftcards were created [11:47]
mircea_popescu mthreat ^ :D [11:51]
mircea_popescu punkman in any case, chasing around these idiots trying to help them is a stupid idea. [11:53]
mircea_popescu take their money, let them come here and beg for getting it back. [11:54]
mircea_popescu force them to have someone on 24/7 with a valid gpg sign, the works. [11:54]
mircea_popescu respect is earned, at the point of a pointed stick. [11:54]
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punkman I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies [11:59]
mircea_popescu they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess. [12:00]
mircea_popescu perhaps overly optimistic. [12:00]
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punkman best case you get $3.50, worst case you get sued/arrested. doesn't make much sense. [12:06]
williamdunne A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness [12:09]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne none of these shits that figure they own the world. [12:36]
williamdunne deedbot [12:42]
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mircea_popescu that's the most peculiar invoice i ever saw. yo udon't say who's invoicing, who's being invoiced, it references no contract, how's anyone to use that ? (not that it's any of my business) [13:03]
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williamdunne mircea_popescu: Yeah, its fairly informal [13:13]
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assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 23:23:02; assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam. [13:29]
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mod6 <+asciilifeform> for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ? << I was planning to test this on the gentoo box that I built, but it was AWS. I'm going to be picking up a cheap box this weekend to finish up the gentoo guide & then test how it compiles with uclibc afterward. I'm putting in a line about it in the SoBA this month. [13:44]
mod6 And my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 237452 [13:46]
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ben_vulpes [10:29] previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow << it mutated into the 'festival' circuit [14:19]
asciilifeform jurov: the article specifically mentioned that the server runs continuously, but the house thermostat controls a selectable vent to the street (hence must be installed on an outer wall) [14:20]
asciilifeform << i don't remember the turks having had 'instagram' ... [14:28]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 10:28:18; mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram. [14:28]
asciilifeform << i somehow missed the explanation, if there ever was one, re: the how, what, and why of stoya [14:30]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 12:02:42; mircea_popescu: but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it. [14:30]
asciilifeform << what does mircea_popescu picture american shootouts being conducted with? panzerfaust ? [14:31]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 12:31:23; mircea_popescu: hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo. [14:31]
asciilifeform 'The unpleasant part is a guy from Starbucks calling me with nothing like “thanks” but mentioning “fraud” and “malicious actions” instead. Sweet!' << moral: sell it to spammers next time. for btc. [14:33]
asciilifeform 'give war a chance' (TM) (R) [14:33]
asciilifeform << actually i suspect i know why. they want to eat. (there is still a misguided notion floating around that 'disclosure' can get you hired as 'seekoority' business) [14:35]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 14:55:44; punkman: I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies [14:35]
asciilifeform << except that they approximately don't exist. average schmuck knows of nothing like a reasonably safe way to monetize an 0day [14:35]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 14:56:17; mircea_popescu: they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess. [14:35]
asciilifeform hell, i'm personally sitting on a stash of 0days that i can't do anything practical with. [14:36]
asciilifeform and this is likely true for most folks who have even a passing interest in reversing [14:36]
asciilifeform if you don't have an 'in' to the correct 'world', you're out in the cold. [14:37]
asciilifeform can either publish, anonymously or jailably; or sit on it. those are the choices. [14:38]
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asciilifeform << -nobody- pays anything like what the goods are worth in the underground. [14:39]
assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 15:05:18; williamdunne: A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness [14:39]
asciilifeform 'bug bounties' are without exception - sad jokes [14:40]
asciilifeform think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole? [14:43]
asciilifeform this sorta dovetails into mircea_popescu's 'schmucks can't own gold' article [14:43]
asciilifeform see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization' [14:45]
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asciilifeform back to the 0day thing - it is what is known as a 'tournament market.' [14:48]
asciilifeform where folks sweat and kill themselves with digging for free, in hopes of getting a few crumbs from the master's table. [14:49]
asciilifeform a select few have the meatwot to actually profit. [14:49]
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assbot Logged on 22-03-2015 16:53:09; assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not. [14:49]
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assbot Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:25; mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet. [14:50]
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chetty see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'//worthy action [15:16]
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liquidassets gracias [15:20]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << more ulbricht l0lz [15:50]
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mod6 ok, drove all over timbuktu and got a rebuilt pos box to test out this gentoo stuff. [16:26]
ben_vulpes noice [16:27]
mod6 let's just hope that it gets the job done :] [16:30]
mod6 the scary thing is going to be my bill for aws in may [16:30]
ben_vulpes those bandwidth charges, eh? [16:33]
mod6 yeah, used a lot of b/w, but also was running up to 3 different m3.mediums at some points. [16:33]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes maybe, tho i kinda doubt it. you have any idea what an iron maiden / acdc / aerosmith thing was like ? [16:38]
mircea_popescu 100k fucken people. each town. european tour = 20, 30, 50mn sold tickets. [16:38]
nubbins` ;;later tell gabriel_laddel 남양주시, 경기도 [16:39]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:39]
mod6 i'd have liked to see AC|DC back in the day [16:39]
nubbins` just outside of seoul [16:39]
mod6 you are? [16:39]
nubbins` was [16:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's this scrawny serbian chick that has and prominently displays the correct female attitude. [16:40]
mircea_popescu jurov the thing is based o nsomething like <1% service. if you imagine they can touch every item every year... [16:41]
mircea_popescu that's bankruptcy. [16:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the turks had scheherezade nevertheless. [16:42]
mircea_popescu how do you think gossip was born ? [16:42]
mircea_popescu eastern societies' need to distribute the vicarious fucking. [16:43]
mircea_popescu mod6 in the 80s sort of thig. yeah. [16:43]
mod6 yeah [16:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the alternative is, post it here, turn it into a weapon against the idiots that be. [16:46]
mircea_popescu but what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue. [16:47]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ... post it here, turn it into a weapon << as mircea_popescu well knows, weapons do not fight by themselves. (outside of norse legend) [16:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue << let's put it this way. my crops are worth more to me burned than given to kolhoz. [16:49]
asciilifeform to friends - sure [16:50]
asciilifeform to kolhoz - fuck'em [16:50]
mircea_popescu that i can see. [16:50]
mircea_popescu but the fetlife thing, for instance, is certainly intended as a standard. [16:50]
mircea_popescu i don't need "to eat", certainly not from derpy canadian rottinculo [16:50]
mircea_popescu and moreover, blowing a hole the size of their head in their arse is fun. [16:51]
mircea_popescu so... [16:51]
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mircea_popescu o.O [16:59]
* asciilifeform rather happy that no one ever wrote a pediwankia page about -him- [17:00]
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felipelalli stolfi is a Brazilian very known bitcoin hater. [17:00]
mircea_popescu the only thing in /wikipedia/ too [17:01]
asciilifeform felipelalli: where in the standard taxonomy of 'bitcoin haters' does he fall ? [17:01]
felipelalli asciilifeform: see his twitter: [17:01]
asciilifeform 'there is only one gold-like element' << wai wat??! [17:02]
felipelalli asciilifeform: he is a Computer Science professor, but he is a communist. He think makes no sense to invest into Bitcoin. [17:02]
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felipelalli His reddit: [17:03]
asciilifeform !s gallium [17:03]
felipelalli I don't know why he put the Mircea Popescu page in his personal website, but I did realize it before browsing on his page. [17:03]
assbot 25 results for 'gallium' : [17:04]
asciilifeform 'validation cost scales as N^2' << wai wat [17:04]
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felipelalli lol [17:05]
mircea_popescu he has a superficial understanding of some issues about at the level of a waiter overhearing a something awful buttcoin center meeting. [17:05]
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mircea_popescu then again, i suppose this is good for the third world. [17:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so far i am not seeing even 'superficial level of understanding' [17:05]
mircea_popescu your standards are too high. [17:05]
felipelalli he has many Brazilians followers that support his hatery to Bitcoin. He dedicated his life to spread lies. [17:05]
mircea_popescu he's in academia, whadda ya want. [17:06]
asciilifeform it is not -strictly- necessary to be retarded to work there [17:06]
felipelalli I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches. [17:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suppose defloration's also not strictly necessary to work at the brothel. [17:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00034541 = 4.7148 BTC [-] [17:08]
felipelalli He says Bitcoin has a "fake scarcity" because there are shitcoins in the market! lol [17:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: given the world's apparent preoccupation with the bunghole, it is probably not in fact necessary... [17:08]
mircea_popescu quite. [17:09]
mircea_popescu felipelalli i don't think anyone seriously cares about this guy anymore than about the average forum lolcow. [17:09]
asciilifeform in other lulz, [17:10]
asciilifeform 'Mirrored projects are sometimes used to deliver easy-to-decline third-party offers, and the original downloads are always available.' [17:10]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: I agree with you. [17:10]
asciilifeform ^ 'sourceforge' replaces winblows exes with malware [17:11]
mircea_popescu heh [17:11]
mircea_popescu "tyhey're always available!111" [17:11]
asciilifeform ahahahaha. [17:11]
felipelalli !s bitcoinxt [17:11]
assbot 2 results for 'bitcoinxt' : [17:11]
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asciilifeform << l0l, zapo moves to nsaland [17:21]
mircea_popescu eh, in their case it'd be a relevancy gain [17:23]
asciilifeform << 'let's pretend certain things don't exist, maybe they will vanish' [17:23]
mircea_popescu hey, it worked with their sex drive... [17:24]
asciilifeform what happened to their sex drive? bad blocks ? [17:24]
asciilifeform head crash ? [17:25]
mircea_popescu it went away [17:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00032781 = 19.2424 BTC [-] [17:36]
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trinque asciilifeform: ^ I think this is one of the agents assigned to you. [17:50]
trinque lurking silently [17:50]
* asciilifeform can haz better clownz ? [17:50]
trinque heh, no you get silent bob and meowmix [17:51]
asciilifeform don't forget mr spam. [17:51]
trinque ah yes [17:51]
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jurov 1mpif [18:15]
jurov !mpif [18:15]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] [18:15]
jurov !t m f.mpif [18:15]
assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC) [18:15]
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BingoBoingo I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches. << Have you seen Animal House, may offer room for finding pride. [18:20]
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BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/q07zwqccwnzkinanp8bg.jpg [18:28]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'm a bit fuzzy on the rules of the game, but that's the fella who doesn't do any running, no ? [18:35]
trinque as a nascent lisper, I run into so many 404s, or if lucky abandoned repositories [18:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00033515 = 11.4621 BTC [+] [18:41]
trinque CLIM in particular seems to have fallen down the memory hole [18:41]
felipelalli BingoBoingo: I did not watch yet, do you recommend? [18:42]
asciilifeform trinque: it didn't help that many clim folks were (are?) using $maxint commercial lisps [18:42]
trinque ah I see, this is because of all the dead lisp companies? [18:42]
asciilifeform trinque: oddly enough, the two firms in question are alive! [18:43]
asciilifeform franz inc. and lispworks [18:43]
asciilifeform if you have a spare 5-10k usd, can go play. [18:43]
trinque ah ok, lol [18:43]
trinque I do not [18:43]
* trinque will play with sbcl and mcclim instead, and see if he can build a back-yard nuke [18:44]
trinque this clim model where the UI doodads map directly onto data structures, and the whole thing's practically speaking a REPL with graphics capabilities... I love it [18:46]
trinque have to find some way of making use of this stuff in real life [18:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yeah. In that particular variant that guy doesn't have to run [18:47]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: It is a great movie for people who need perspective on their higher education experiences [18:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46893 @ 0.00033482 = 15.7007 BTC [-] {2} [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00033477 = 5.8417 BTC [-] [19:22]
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