Forum logs for 29 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation well, yes it is true to see trucks like that are very expensive [00:00]
decimation > $50k [00:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo true. [00:01]
decimation < cheapass us truck [00:01]
assbot Chevrolet Colorado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [00:01]
mircea_popescu also, anyone who thinks "america has brought porn" is a fucktard of prime order. [00:01]
mircea_popescu swiss brought porn, to america. [00:01]
mircea_popescu moreover the notion porn is bad... mmkay. [00:01]
BingoBoingo decimation: Not really how it works. Same name covers about 15 very different trucks any given year. [00:02]
phf it's sitll pax americana last time i checked, so everyone's a hater [00:02]
decimation ^ [00:02]
decimation not that the trends are looking good [00:02]
mircea_popescu phf who'dja chjeck with ? [00:03]
phf mircea_popescu: my handlers [00:04]
BingoBoingo Anyways the Nordics introduced death to America first when they collapsed Red civilization with biological terrorist attacks. [00:05]
mircea_popescu phf lmao whossat ? [00:06]
mircea_popescu << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever [00:07]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud [00:07]
mircea_popescu and for the first time making it worth something projectively. prior to that, it was just measured by the world, as anything. exported to china for its silver weight etc. [00:07]
mircea_popescu edison definitely instrumental in all of this, but there's a good half dozen names involved. [00:08]
decimation well, europe destroying itself didn't help their case either [00:08]
mircea_popescu sort of a reversed lenin equation. "sturdy but dumb" + "aluminum siding salesmen" = $$$ [00:08]
mircea_popescu europe lives to destroy itself. [00:08]
decimation after wwi anyone who wasn't a dead or on fire was by default the 'winner' [00:09]
mircea_popescu still, you know - that old question of "so you want the mike - what are you going to say into it ?" [00:09]
mircea_popescu not so hard to be "the winner". [00:09]
decimation well, we've seen the 'american century' [00:10]
mircea_popescu started pretty good, but eventually meh. [00:10]
BingoBoingo << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever << Probably actually started when US and Britain fought for monopoly to impress North Americans into maritime service [00:10]
mircea_popescu very much like a holywood film i guess. [00:10]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud [00:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00053825 = 23.9252 BTC [-] [00:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, it was a carnegie, and rockefeller, and so on and so on thing [00:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think it started earlier [00:11]
phf i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn't say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :) [00:11]
mircea_popescu phf most people with your desires just get married. [00:11]
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BingoBoingo Carnegie and Rockefeller did not invent Northern Aggression on their own in their own lifetimes without foundations [00:11]
mircea_popescu wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ? [00:11]
mircea_popescu the guy that kept waking up and dreaming stuff with the bush and the policeman ? [00:12]
phf i don't know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same [00:14]
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BingoBoingo [00:20]
assbot Should I invest my Bit-Coins? /s : Bitcoin ... ( ) [00:20]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [00:33]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 293.63, vol: 8382.19640739 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 288.496, vol: 4507.16962 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 295.22, vol: 13006.58501762 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.99, vol: 5.3342026 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 293.251941, vol: 18952.00980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 293.50366, vol: 59.48592009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 301.92981164, vol: 81.42906308 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [00:33]
BingoBoingo Oh davout, looking bullish [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81780 @ 0.00053055 = 43.3884 BTC [-] {3} [00:37]
mats << what do you mean by this? [00:38]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 02:43:09; mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful. [00:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18679 @ 0.00052801 = 9.8627 BTC [-] [00:38]
asciilifeform << what did he expect, running off to usa? [00:44]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 03:08:33; mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ? [00:44]
BingoBoingo [00:45]
assbot After Petition Obama Still Wants to Try Snowden for Espionage | Qntra ... ( ) [00:45]
asciilifeform he was permitted to write a book, the very typical 'escaped sov brass' boot, nominally 'edgy' but 100% usg-approved [00:45]
asciilifeform *book [00:45]
mats snowden deserves to hang [00:46]
mats a man does not purport to reveal govt wrongdoing and then proceed to dump hundreds of thousands of documents indiscriminately [00:47]
asciilifeform for hoarding the goodz [00:47]
asciilifeform and serving his usg masters to this day [00:47]
asciilifeform yes - hang. [00:47]
mats this is not responsible disclosure at any stretch [00:47]
asciilifeform fuck 'responsible' [00:47]
asciilifeform let'em burn. [00:47]
mircea_popescu ;;isup [00:47]
gribble is up [00:48]
mircea_popescu ;;istrilema [00:48]
gribble Error: "istrilema" is not a valid command. [00:48]
mircea_popescu well something like that. [00:48]
asciilifeform the responsible thing to do is to help propel the bastards to hell where they belong. [00:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it loads here. [00:48]
BingoBoingo I find Snowden and Saavis guy a nive contrast. Snowden gets hot stripper wife, Saavis CEO get stripper fired. [00:49]
mircea_popescu wait, snowden married ?! [00:49]
asciilifeform not afaik ? [00:50]
asciilifeform and anyway, snowden is a tv character [00:50]
asciilifeform it'd be like saying 'sherlock holmes married' [00:50]
mircea_popescu aww [00:50]
asciilifeform hardcore philologists may care about the imaginary personal life of a literary character, sure [00:51]
BingoBoingo wait, snowden married ?! << Last I checked his girlfriend followed him into exile. [00:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun get what you base this on! [00:52]
asciilifeform !s hangout [00:52]
assbot 48 results for 'hangout' : [00:52]
mircea_popescu the problem is not that i don't understand what you're saying. the problem is i don't see what you're basing it on. [00:53]
asciilifeform (there is convincing evidence that all the ~good stuff~ - e.g., DEITYBOUNCE, GODSURGE, etc. - is from snowden2 [00:53]
asciilifeform ) [00:53]
asciilifeform who was killed [00:53]
BingoBoingo who was killed << I suspect this is more Greenwald than Snowden1 [00:53]
asciilifeform greenwald helped to lead him to the cork-lined cellar, yes [00:54]
mircea_popescu where is this evidence ? [00:54]
mircea_popescu not that what you propose doesn't make for a better story, but still. [00:54]
mircea_popescu poor criteria for anything but moviemaking, this. [00:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint) [00:55]
asciilifeform and the fact that after 'other snowden' published this, greenwald & co claimed contact [00:55]
asciilifeform and no more technical docs after this. [00:55]
asciilifeform we don't have a corpse, no [00:55]
asciilifeform but a spent shell, and some smoke. [00:55]
asciilifeform i read 100% of the material attributed to both 'snowdens' [00:56]
asciilifeform the difference is a brick in the face. [00:56]
asciilifeform very, very clear. [00:56]
mircea_popescu care to make this a narrative for my benefit ? [00:56]
asciilifeform specifically ? [00:57]
mircea_popescu lemme try. [00:57]
asciilifeform as in, a formulated hypothesis ? [00:57]
asciilifeform lessee [00:57]
asciilifeform mr nsa firmware diddler reads morning papers, for months, containing snowden (tm). decides to fuck his employer, who he never really liked [00:57]
mircea_popescu so, t1 = snowden 2 ran off with some papers ; t2 = usg figurdd it out ; t3 = snowden 1 is created for purpose of defense ; t4 = greenwald & co start promoting snowden 1 ; t5 = snowden 2 finally makes public contact ; t6 = greenwald & co claim contact ; t7->to this present day [00:57]
mircea_popescu something like that ? [00:57]
asciilifeform (they make him work a full shift, imagine) [00:57]
asciilifeform ^ this is one entirely plausible sketch [00:58]
asciilifeform i can think of a few others [00:58]
BingoBoingo the difference is a brick in the face. << I lean towards attributing this to the two having sifferent roles and access. Difference being Snowden1 achieved escape velocity before collaborating with Greenwald and others while 2 blindly followed 1's example into trap [00:58]
mircea_popescu it can only be plausible if simultaneously a) one's never had any sort of interaction wit hthe usg and b) one's stewed for years / millions of words' worth in some armchair generalship club. [00:58]
asciilifeform t1 = schmuckden runs off with some paperz, gives to phriendz t2 = found, through one way or another, and nailgunned t3 = snowden (tm) (r) is created [00:59]
mircea_popescu this does not explain why bother releasing anything. [00:59]
asciilifeform for this, we visit earlier threads re: hangout [00:59]
asciilifeform easy hypothesis - sell 'redphones,' 'blackphones,', 'keybase', 'cryptodoesntwork' (tm) (r) [01:00]
asciilifeform the 'second leaker' is abundantly clear from the entirely other (interesting, actionable, technically-detailed) nature of the 'ANT catalogue' papers [01:02]
mircea_popescu the problem with this theory is that it's thoroughly based on itself. [01:02]
asciilifeform no, based on ANT papers vs all the other garbage [01:02]
asciilifeform and the fact that it was 1) out of phase 2) no more where that came from. [01:03]
asciilifeform they were also, apparently, unable to entirely suppress the rumour of the existence of 'second man' [01:03]
asciilifeform but disposed of him (and anyone who might be able to supply conclusive proof) [01:03]
asciilifeform on top of this, the greenwald-poitras-omidyar shitgang never mentioned him again [01:05]
mircea_popescu but looky : the fact that some later schmuck had better/different materials [01:05]
mircea_popescu does not per se say anything about the earlier one. [01:05]
mircea_popescu this is "my girlfriend was a virgin when i met her because her previous boyfriend had a shitty job" [01:05]
asciilifeform earlier schmuck, supposedly had 'everything' [01:05]
mircea_popescu not so. [01:05]
asciilifeform or everything he could fit on his bag of disks [01:05]
mircea_popescu aha. [01:05]
mircea_popescu he had a bag of dicks. [01:05]
asciilifeform which all just ~happens~ to be idiot powerpoint [01:05]
mircea_popescu also, he had a "safety stash" [01:05]
asciilifeform of 1990s-era programs a la 'echelon' [01:06]
asciilifeform that everybody with half a neuron already knew about [01:06]
mircea_popescu well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate. [01:06]
asciilifeform aha. [01:06]
mircea_popescu recall that one time when iu had to force "wikileaks" to publish documents ? [01:06]
asciilifeform aha [01:06]
mircea_popescu still draggedf their feet for almost a whole day. [01:06]
mircea_popescu the fact that the barnacles are barnacles does not speak much of the ship. [01:06]
BingoBoingo well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate. << Greenwald/Guardian did filter the SNowden 1 documents [01:06]
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asciilifeform notice that no one is forcing the buggerz to print anything today. [01:06]
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mats ...fucking unicode [01:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fwiw, i've not yet published tons of reams of piles of stuff either. [01:07]
asciilifeform well sure [01:07]
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asciilifeform but the inevitable conclusion is that the greenwald shitgang works for washington [01:08]
mircea_popescu that part was never, afaik, disputed. [01:08]
asciilifeform because they ~do not actually want the ears cut off the walls~ [01:08]
mircea_popescu ;;google dear guardian stop being retarded [01:08]
gribble Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; Trilema Presei on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Dear Mr Gove: what's so 'British' about your 'British ... - The Guardian: [01:08]
asciilifeform if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious [01:08]
asciilifeform and the total, unwavering absence of leakz with actual technical details passing through them. [01:09]
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asciilifeform they even censored something so mundane as the botnet c&c ips [01:09]
asciilifeform ergo they are not in any sense enemies of usg [01:09]
mircea_popescu that's funny, incidentally. [01:09]
BingoBoingo if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious << WHich is why the escaped yet utterly contained Snowden1 is known for nothing but powerpoints. Censored and surrounded with phriends. [01:09]
asciilifeform but instead help to showcase the muscles thereof [01:09]
mircea_popescu the reason they did is that some of the ips were actually traceable to various poorly protected shells. [01:10]
mircea_popescu and at the time at least they still thought "we" don't have the list [01:10]
BingoBoingo Nothing interesting was ever conveyed by powerpoint [01:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, that was actually a rather lulzy forced humiliation. [01:10]
mircea_popescu they couldn't even let the ips through, because that badly set up. [01:10]
phf if corporate sop is anything to go by, it's probably easier to get access to powerpoints (cross-company shared materials), then to actual technical details (contained within individual teams' machines) [01:11]
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asciilifeform << see also. [01:11]
assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 04:57:56; asciilifeform: essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout [01:11]
asciilifeform ^ is when i'll 'believe.' [01:11]
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asciilifeform and i mean ~genuine~ catastrophe, not 'jam tomorrow' like the opm thing [01:12]
asciilifeform as in, army is decimated because $leak [01:12]
asciilifeform or pill against rsa they've had since 1993 is revealed [01:13]
asciilifeform etc. [01:13]
phf lizard hitler's stash [01:13]
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BingoBoingo lizard hitler's stash << Jurrassic World topping the box office because Lizards are real [01:16]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess. [01:20]
mircea_popescu but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park. [01:20]
mircea_popescu phf yeah, which is how snowden (1) got all the stuff in the first place. [01:21]
mircea_popescu lizard hitler's stash <<< yeah, aka "i'll believe this outside phenomena happened if and only if, and only to the degree it, confirms convictions i held previously and independently of reality" [01:28]
mircea_popescu the very dangerous dual edged blade of discipline. [01:29]
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mircea_popescu << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. [01:31]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:28:06; nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things [01:31]
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mats ;;tslb [01:32]
gribble Time since last block: 9 minutes and 8 seconds [01:32]
BingoBoingo << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. << Unfortunately for everyone's enshittenment Constanza and Windows 95 ascended to prominence at roughly the same time. [01:35]
mircea_popescu aha [01:35]
BingoBoingo Windows wasn't really even much of a thing apparently until Windows 95 when the local Walmart had lines for it thanks to "marketing" [01:36]
scoopbot_revived Foxy's Quite Almost Craftbot [01:38]
pete_dushenski "Drivers who work for Uber should verify their vehicles are insured for commercial use, the Insurance Bureau of Canada said Tuesday after the Alberta government concluded the ride-hailing service's insurance policies don't meet that province's requirements." << ayup. sv's 'sharing economy' is a whole whack of insurance fraud. [01:39]
BingoBoingo That was the moment where the transition went from every individual computer manufacterer's branded Microsoft DOS to the unified Windows monolith. It really is no wonder... considering what was going on at IBM in retrospect... that people though OS/2 had a chance [01:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's looking like to build a working Eulora Imma have to do it like Bitcoin-qt and hit delete a lot. This closed source Nvidia CS-toolkit is no bueno [01:40]
asciilifeform << wake me up when surinam takes alaska and there is no army to oppose it. [01:43]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 04:16:42; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess. [01:43]
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asciilifeform << the difference between a 'opm' beating and a genuine one is that the beaten fella isn't back next week asking for more, at the end of a genuine one [01:43]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 04:17:19; mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park. [01:43]
asciilifeform instead, he is worm food. [01:44]
mircea_popescu there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se. [01:44]
mircea_popescu just individual boxers. [01:44]
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asciilifeform usg is still in the ring. [01:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything. [01:44]
mircea_popescu even using x a lot. [01:44]
mircea_popescu (x is a pos) [01:44]
asciilifeform when obamitler is impaled at nuremberg - then, done, yes. [01:44]
asciilifeform when ted turner is publicly bathed in sulfuric acid - then. [01:45]
mircea_popescu which is kinda why i was encouraging stuff like "rip off vlc's asciigfx codec and make an emacs eulora client" [01:45]
mircea_popescu why turner of all people ? [01:45]
asciilifeform random pick. [01:45]
mircea_popescu mno. [01:45]
mircea_popescu cuz then you're gonna say it was a coincidence. [01:45]
asciilifeform l0l [01:45]
mircea_popescu or w/e, make a different random pick. [01:46]
asciilifeform just basic formula of 'when the lords are lowered into the most abject pederasty' [01:46]
mircea_popescu this basic formula of yours stays vague deliberately, for the obvious reason. [01:46]
asciilifeform for lack of basic info, yes. i very much believe that i do not know the names of the folks who need to bathe in the acid [01:46]
asciilifeform nor are they publicly observable [01:47]
mircea_popescu thus therefore what are we talkin aboot. [01:47]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything. << Apparently the next .1 iteration of Crystal Space seeks to abolish the cs-toolkit dependency. In the interim I'll chop, maybe finally lean diff, and just perhaps make actual patches to shit. [01:47]
BingoBoingo Or wait for an emacs client [01:47]
mircea_popescu or just do what i do and run a random box for the purpose. [01:47]
BingoBoingo there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se. << There was indeed [01:48]
assbot The UFC's Dana White is stuck in a PR quagmire. ... ( ) [01:48]
mircea_popescu ftr : dana is a common female name in romania [01:48]
asciilifeform in usa too [01:48]
mircea_popescu i have serious issues taking people named dana seriously. [01:48]
asciilifeform one of my uni profs, a grey old man, was named that [01:49]
asciilifeform wrote a spiffy poker bot [01:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Boxes are scarce, CPU's are scarce. Imma trying to make St Clair county my bitch while making sure all my computing fits on back for extended periods of time. [01:49]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what's a "cutman" [01:49]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo what's a "cutman" << Stops the bleeding in between rounds. [01:50]
BingoBoingo Cutman is the only reason fights of interesting length happen [01:50]
mircea_popescu "It was just the latest in a string of calloused comments made by UFC's head honcho -- far from the diplomatic dialogue expected of the largest mixed martial arts organization" [01:50]
mircea_popescu i'm sorry... what ?! [01:50]
mircea_popescu expected ? by whom ? why ? [01:50]
BingoBoingo By Dana. [01:50]
mircea_popescu i do not expect the head of a headbashing federation to be "diplomatic", whatever that weans [01:50]
mircea_popescu i certainly don't expect the libertard definition of diplomatic to apply. [01:50]
mircea_popescu wtf is wrong with these twerps already. [01:51]
BingoBoingo Everything? [01:51]
mircea_popescu then they have the gall to mock catholocs for being so-and-so. [01:51]
mircea_popescu libertards, worst cult ever. [01:51]
BingoBoingo My understanding is this UFC promotion killed the one way for its participants to get side-money at market rates. [01:51]
mircea_popescu "It was an expansive decision on the UFC's part, as the promotion claimed its main interest was to legitimize the sport by removing the tacky, albeit characteristic, fight gear that had become an emblem of the polarizing sport" [01:52]
mircea_popescu motherfucker. WHAT ?! [01:52]
mircea_popescu "The deal was reported to be worth $70 million over six years." [01:52]
mircea_popescu bad fucking deal. [01:52]
mircea_popescu they should have held out for 55 billion. [01:52]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ? [01:53]
BingoBoingo Or 5 Billion [01:53]
mircea_popescu According to the released figures, a combatant with less than five fights in the UFC will make $2,500 in sponsorship money per fight [01:53]
mircea_popescu ahaha WHAT!!! [01:53]
mircea_popescu dude gtfo, they pay bums to streetfight more [01:53]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ? << They have only recently advanced to insuring "prospects" but stock will come [01:53]
mircea_popescu hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ? [01:53]
asciilifeform sounds appealing [01:53]
mircea_popescu be a star! make money! better career than gavin's! [01:53]
BingoBoingo hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ? << I would [01:54]
asciilifeform right now its phree [01:54]
mircea_popescu this is what you casually forget, when you keep thinking everyone else's doing so much better than you. [01:54]
mircea_popescu you neglect to consider that for most people we discuss, this would be a step up. [01:54]
mats ;;tslb [01:54]
gribble Time since last block: 1 minute and 25 seconds [01:54]
mircea_popescu gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get. [01:54]
mircea_popescu because it's easier to play the clown, and A LOT more hitchhiker hos line up for it. [01:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that it wouldn't be a step up for me! just think, instead of showing up to the office for a week, just one, just one punch in the head [01:55]
mircea_popescu mno. five separate sets of punches in head. [01:55]
* BingoBoingo would happily take 2.5 kilodollars to get beat provided a referee exists to call stoppage for tko. USD have been scarce here since misdemeanor thing started [01:55]
mircea_popescu after which you maybe get promoited to... 3,5k! [01:55]
asciilifeform hanbot: it means that the stator has to be set up in the same way as for classic stator - there is a 'distfiles' dir, the one with MANIFEST, that needs to have the tarballs placed therein [01:55]
BingoBoingo Who knows, head may feel better afterwards, would take offer. [01:56]
asciilifeform hanbot: you will have a dir, outermost, named what you like - e.g., 'rotor', and then rotor/toolchain and rotor/buildroot-xxx and rotor/stator, inside the latter - quite the same thing as in normal stator, other than the musl patch and the script (replacing the old [01:57]
asciilifeform hanbot: the basic idea of 'rotor' is that you have quite the same stator as before, but it is built with a toolchain (gcc and binutils) that were built for the occasion, and use musl [01:58]
asciilifeform (optionally) [01:58]
mircea_popescu inothernews.jpg, [01:59]
assbot ... ( ) [01:59]
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mircea_popescu set with [01:59]
asciilifeform << gotta understand, the thing i envy gavin and the boxer is the same thing - not-having-to-work+sleep-ad-libitum [01:59]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 04:51:29; mircea_popescu: gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get. [01:59]
asciilifeform the lilies of the field, they toil not (tm) (r) [02:00]
mircea_popescu yawell. [02:00]
mircea_popescu i think the boxers sleep plenty lol. [02:00]
mircea_popescu *bang* [02:00]
mircea_popescu /snooze [02:00]
hanbot asciilifeform aha i see. ty! [02:00]
asciilifeform hanbot: i'm still trying to think of some way in which building that thing could possibly be easier ! [02:01]
asciilifeform even now it's 95% automagic [02:01]
BingoBoingo Other side effect of recent UFC hullabaloo is fighters no longer get to wear distinctive attire into the ring. [02:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo seems drastically stupid [02:02]
BingoBoingo Built a brand on neon trunks covered in skulls, but Reebock doesn't think they can market it? FU [02:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: know that i think about 'sleep ad libitum' all day, every day, of the year. like thirsty man in desert. [02:02]
mircea_popescu just drop this "federation" or w/e it's called, start a new one. who gives a shit [02:02]
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mircea_popescu who asked "ufc" anything. [02:03]
BingoBoingo Likely to happen [02:03]
mircea_popescu "oh you made it popular ? fuck you. you got no moat, drop dead". [02:03]
BingoBoingo Tis the way the world works [02:03]
mircea_popescu like shit did "ufc" make dudes beating each other popular. [02:03]
mircea_popescu what's next. [02:03]
BingoBoingo what's next. << Polish Americans without Asiatic features? [02:04]
phf gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful [02:05]
mircea_popescu << honestly, i occasionally buy their coffee here. the argentines are retarded enough that starbucks is practically the only retailer of non-american coffee. [02:05]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:53:50; nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit [02:05]
BingoBoingo gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful << USeful enough for its particular role in the proscribed contest [02:05]
mircea_popescu they grind it on the spot, too [02:06]
asciilifeform all starbucks grinds on the spot [02:06]
asciilifeform machine does it [02:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform some shops here sell already ground coffee. [02:06]
asciilifeform lol!! [02:06]
mircea_popescu which is weird, but who am i to argue with the smartest people in the world. [02:06]
BingoBoingo In oher news [02:06]
mircea_popescu which live in a country that's not pobre. [02:06]
assbot Signs Of Erection | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( ) [02:06]
hanbot asciilifeform well fo' sho' when describing steps, be explicit about antecedents, i'll pay off the department of redundancy police department. [02:07]
mircea_popescu << the actual thing hurts. [02:08]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:56:14; asciilifeform: i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ? [02:08]
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asciilifeform hanbot: the stator in question is precisely the customary stator (with the patches of your choice) but for the patch in 14-1 and the script 14-2 and 14-3 in place of the usual and stator_bitcoin_only... [02:08]
asciilifeform also the dependency on 'realpath' is abolished. [02:09]
hanbot cool deal [02:09]
asciilifeform (read, it becomes very clear) [02:09]
mircea_popescu << joke's on you for giving her an hour's space, seriously. what happened to the good old water squirting flower and buzzer handshake. [02:09]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:58:45; nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her [02:09]
asciilifeform ~50 line. [02:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pray tell, how does, e.g., genuine coffee, hurt ? [02:11]
mircea_popescu you know that feeling you get when something happens ? [02:12]
asciilifeform i can see the case for armchair war vs genuine war, etc [02:12]
asciilifeform but coffee ? [02:12]
asciilifeform ... something happens ?? [02:12]
mircea_popescu yes. like, if you put a dab of icecream on your tongue, or if you open a creaky door, or if you catch a hare running off in the bushline [02:13]
asciilifeform aha [02:13]
mircea_popescu that. [02:13]
asciilifeform but those things are why people live ! [02:13]
pete_dushenski << tis an exceptionally comely pic of ms. silverman. most of the time she looks like it's laundry day. [02:13]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 21:32:56; trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women [02:13]
mircea_popescu well, some people, yes. [02:13]
asciilifeform and others live for what? cocain ? [02:14]
pete_dushenski re: [02:14]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know it's cocaine. and no, others live for bland. [02:14]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: very pretty, but why the face? [02:14]
asciilifeform hedgehog up her arse ? [02:14]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i dunno, she looks like this clever smart pleasant chick i wouldnt fuck in hs because no accoutrements and too hairy. [02:14]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: that's all part of the intrigue and mystery. [02:15]
asciilifeform also why are her hands 70 y.o. ? [02:15]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: the dark hair is, yes, less than ideal. [02:15]
asciilifeform transplanted from old man ? [02:15]
pete_dushenski lol [02:15]
pete_dushenski i dunno, her hands look fit for purpose to me. [02:16]
asciilifeform also if she bends any more, her midsection could snap [02:16]
asciilifeform like: twig. [02:16]
asciilifeform who is this gurl anyway [02:16]
asciilifeform journalist? [02:17]
pete_dushenski << one of her better bits [02:17]
assbot Sarah Silverman's The Aristocrats - YouTube ... ( ) [02:17]
* asciilifeform tries to recall thread [02:17]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: 'comedian' [02:17]
asciilifeform ah [02:17]
* asciilifeform goes off to bed where he belongs [02:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: She is profesional weed toker exploiter [02:17]
pete_dushenski silverman's 'the aristrocrats' is second only to bob saget's [02:18]
pete_dushenski << saget. [02:18]
assbot Bob Saget - The Aristocrats (complete) - YouTube ... ( ) [02:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "comedian", shtick mostly consisting of doing the tramp thing [02:18]
mircea_popescu or how do you call it in american, ball busting ? [02:18]
BingoBoingo yeah [02:19]
mircea_popescu which is on some level funny, considering she looks like a 13yo boy escaped from a siberian orphanage, but anyway. [02:19]
BingoBoingo Sure, but who will be laughing when Siberia fills with geothermal powered ASICs cooled by geography [02:21]
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mircea_popescu mats prolly should put on T too [02:33]
mats once this goes through, i'll be updating the comments with a new revision [02:33]
mircea_popescu kk [02:34]
pete_dushenski "Twitter Inc's shares fell more than 11 percent in extended trade on Tuesday after the microblogging company said its number of monthly average users grew at the slowest pace since it went public in 2013." [02:35]
pete_dushenski "Twitter said it had 304 million core users in the second quarter, up from 302 million in the prior quarter." [02:35]
pete_dushenski of those two million, how many were bots, one wonders. [02:35]
pete_dushenski or hey, mebbe 30 mn people left and 32 mn bots were added in last 3 months. [02:36]
mircea_popescu moreover, what the fuck does the "market" expect. what growth on 302 mn ? [02:36]
mircea_popescu there's barely that many people online. [02:36]
pete_dushenski "Total revenue rose 61 percent to $502.4 million." [02:36]
pete_dushenski "The company's net loss narrowed to $136.7 million, or 21 cents per share," [02:37]
mircea_popescu yeah and operating loss rose 62% ? [02:37]
pete_dushenski still bleeding from the butt. [02:37]
mircea_popescu closest to green they ever get. [02:37]
mircea_popescu "i got a business idea that allows me to get 302 people vaguely interested while i lose 25 cents to the dollar!!1" [02:37]
pete_dushenski and unless they figure out how to squeeze juice from rocks, this may be the closes they ever get. [02:37]
pete_dushenski closest* [02:38]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: well 302 would be bad enough, 302 mn really makes you wonder wtf is the matter with the 'business people' [02:38]
pete_dushenski "mebbe if we monetise the billion cell phone users in africa at $0.01 and somehow spend less than that, we'll be scrooge mcduck rich!" [02:39]
mircea_popescu basically, "paying 302mn people half a dollar each to derp on our site". [02:39]
mircea_popescu if you live in the world where a click "is worth" 50 cents or whatever inane bs adwords experts powerpoint back and forth, i imagine it's a great deal. [02:40]
pete_dushenski each of which, in return, pays every last penny of their spare attention. [02:40]
mircea_popescu i'd rather buy the uht / utf / whatever the fuck fighting thing was called from earlier [02:41]
mircea_popescu than twitter. [02:41]
pete_dushenski "Excluding items, Twitter earned 7 cents per share." << where 'items' are 'costs'. but who wants to make a big fuss about those ? [02:41]
mircea_popescu the former's not worth the 70 mn either, can have 500 muscle dudes for a lot less than 140k a head. [02:41]
BingoBoingo I haven't seen a source yet, but apparently rumours are Twitter hired that Randi Harper chick that Yahoo fired for meth... [02:44]
mircea_popescu aww [02:44]
pete_dushenski "In the latest turn in the scandal, known as "Deflategate," Goodell said he affirmed the suspension in part because of the new revelation that Brady made "a deliberate effort" to keep investigators from reading text messages stored on the device." << sports leagues own their player's texts/sexts nao ? [02:44]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: NFL does [02:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21530 @ 0.00052512 = 11.3058 BTC [+] [02:45]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: NFL unlike UFC has a history of established heirarchy this way. [02:45]
BingoBoingo Happens which each team has half of a hundred people on the competative roster [02:46]
hanbot asciilifeform / ml folks: from where is one supposed to get the items in "manifest"? eg openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz [02:46]
mircea_popescu << not always. plenty of roasted beans shipped out of costa rica guatemala etc [02:46]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 01:08:09; nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination [02:46]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: ya, those nfl teams are enormous, which ties into my earlier comment about that new coach chica having a better shot in american football than anywhere else [02:48]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Right. NFL coaches very often never played at NFL level because... head trauma slims that pool. [02:48]
phf hanbot: upstream. there's mod6's early state of bitcoin posts that have urls/shasums [02:49]
hanbot phf i just realized, heh. thx. [02:49]
mircea_popescu << lmao cemeterynada. [02:49]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 01:16:12; ben_vulpes: it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak [02:49]
BingoBoingo TwoDogGrave [02:50]
mircea_popescu lmao twodogegu [02:50]
mircea_popescu finally found a namer for nubbins`'s `. [02:50]
phf hanbot: you want message-id, UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: A Guide [02:50]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I have my doubts baseball will get a female coach anytime soon. Almost all of the coachins stafff is there to go mechanics, and there are skeletal differences. Also every now and then in baseball benches clear to the point managers trade blows [02:51]
mircea_popescu << how the fuck is it that libertards always end up with "forced participation" as a solution ? [02:51]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 01:19:45; BingoBoingo: lol, not enough "GreeK" crises [02:51]
BingoBoingo Female umpire is perfectly immaginable though [02:52]
mircea_popescu oh, "co-ops" don't work because uneconomical ? THEY SHOULD BE MANDATORY [02:52]
mircea_popescu oh, our normative ideas about gender dynamics are bs ? SHOULD BE FORCED!!1 [02:52]
mircea_popescu hey, people laugh at our notions of "earth sciences" ? BUILD CONSENSUS [02:52]
hanbot phf perfect [02:52]
mircea_popescu whatever happens they always turn around to forced participation, it's like the baseline of libertard. [02:52]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: ya, i could totally see that too [02:52]
mircea_popescu even fucking obamacare is ultimately the same "our shit dun work make it mandatory" nonsense. [02:54]
mircea_popescu im sure it'll work better then, dork. [02:54]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Now female general manager could happen in baseball. [02:56]
BingoBoingo That seems inevitable actually [02:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, props to slate for managing to repackage the "us can't afford to host olympics, unlike both china and russia, because it sucks" into some sort of "do not want" because "notgood". [02:57]
mircea_popescu im sure it's not the us, it's the olympics. [02:57]
BingoBoingo It's probably both. I mean 2004 olympics didn't kill greece on its own, but was a symptom. [02:59]
BingoBoingo Also apparently BIP66 is being credited with solving a consensus bug... even though it caused consesnsus splits [03:00]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] Disclosure: consensus bug indirectly solved by BIP66 ... ( ) [03:00]
mircea_popescu << you live in the wrong country for any sort of that. [03:00]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 01:26:16; *: asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans [03:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lmao idiots. [03:00]
mircea_popescu for one thing, that "vulnerability" had been well known, discussed in public here even, for long before the bip derpage. [03:01]
mircea_popescu but hey, "it was disclosed". [03:01]
mircea_popescu << no it's not dude. just because you saw the ~0.6% of this town i chose to show you doth not mean it's uniformly this you know. [03:02]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 01:31:00; asciilifeform: it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires [03:02]
mircea_popescu most locals can't even aford to live here. [03:03]
BingoBoingo Bonus Earth Science: Freshwater Bass are not giant mercury reservoirs, [03:03]
assbot Immigrants, poor fish for their dinner, unaware of mercury | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( ) [03:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51745 @ 0.00054028 = 27.9568 BTC [+] {3} [03:05]
mircea_popescu in same old news, [03:07]
assbot ... ( ) [03:07]
mircea_popescu people usually lol at the ridiculous movie depiction of gunfire, but few notice the ridiculousness of gags. [03:07]
mircea_popescu seriously, you put a towel over her mouth and she's now silent 4ever ? wd! [03:07]
mircea_popescu actual gagging requires inflatable rubber thing. [03:08]
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BingoBoingo Sure, just how like actual sex requires genitals, unlike in Hollywood [03:12]
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BingoBoingo How to absolutely ruin a *nix install, nth edition [03:33]
assbot Lifehacker Pack for Linux: Our List of the Essential Linux Apps ... ( ) [03:33]
pete_dushenski libreoffice and gimp are fine. the rest can be done without. [03:39]
BingoBoingo Even LibreOffice is a bit much post-graduation [03:44]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker -market all [03:54]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) [03:54]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [03:54]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 289.0, vol: 9252.62771331 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 285.0, vol: 4616.63134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 291.03, vol: 14552.60292135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.99, vol: 3.2732026 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 289.006956, vol: 19109.25090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 290.68245, vol: 64.55273284 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 298.187999989, vol: 82.31997186 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [03:54]
* BingoBoingo glad "runs bitcoin" has overtaken "runs dopewars" as the measure of a decent *nix [03:58]
pete_dushenski << for mod6, others who care to help troubleshoot 0.5.4-TEST1 on debian 7 x86 minimal [04:00]
assbot ... ( ) [04:00]
pete_dushenski seems to be an issue with boost or gcc, but i'm not too sure. [04:01]
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pete_dushenski anyone who's so kind as to offer me assistance, please speak slowly and carefully, as if you were talking to a 10-year-old version of yourself [04:02]
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pete_dushenski ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary) [04:10]
punkman pete_dushenski: did you put anything in distfiles/ ? [04:10]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Which component wants you to use "jam" instead of "make" [04:10]
pete_dushenski punkman: hm no ? [04:11]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: also a good q. not sure. [04:11]
jurov fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory << seems like original cause [04:11]
punkman oic, that downloades the distfiles [04:12]
punkman do you have realpath? [04:12]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Also if you were choosing one shit movie this year... prolly should have chose "Pixels" over "Spy" [04:12]
jurov try investigationg boost configure script, if it has libbz2 option and try disabling it [04:12]
pete_dushenski punkman: i do now. trying again. [04:13]
punkman realpath's getting old :/ [04:13]
pete_dushenski cd /libs/config/ [04:14]
pete_dushenski lolk... [04:15]
pete_dushenski wtf are there '<' and '>' around 'boost-root ? [04:15]
punkman dpaste it again? [04:17]
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pete_dushenski << with realpath [04:25]
assbot ... ( ) [04:25]
pete_dushenski 'undefined reference to `deflateInit_' ' [04:25]
pete_dushenski collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status [04:25]
pete_dushenski make: *** [bitcoind] Error 1 [04:25]
pete_dushenski strip: 'bitcoind': No such file [04:25]
pete_dushenski next step : look into boost as per jurov's suggestion [04:26]
BingoBoingo JFK Shot First [04:26]
punkman pete_dushenski: check distfiles for a boost .tar.bz2 [04:27]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: i heard pixel was pretty awful. though 'trainwreck' is supposed to be worth a laugh or two. i'd see it just for 'cheapskate' lebron james lol [04:28]
punkman because running the command that downloads boost in gives me an html file [04:28]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: It got a lot of damning praise, but so far I've made it past the first 15 minutes. Furhter than I made it waith Spy and Spy was not a cam rip. [04:29]
pete_dushenski punkman: this, i will look in to. [04:30]
Adlai !t m s.mpoe [04:40]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00051858 / 0.00053618 / 0.00054996 (990832 shares, 531.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00050102 / 0.00053967 / 0.00059791 (25493380 shares, 13,758.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0003933 / 0.00053439 / 0.00060248 (103682847 shares, 55,407.26 BTC) [04:40]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: This flick also features SIGINT ineptness [04:42]
pete_dushenski how so ? [04:43]
pete_dushenski not that this should be in any way surprising. it's a usg feature after all. [04:43]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: They missed alien messages in Satellite TV shows [04:43]
pete_dushenski alrighty then. [04:44]
pete_dushenski well my eyes are done for the evening [04:45]
pete_dushenski so with that i bid ye all adieu [04:45]
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jurov alf prolly wanted this... but not suitable for wall poster, unless it'll be holographic [05:31]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski probably also takes the award for best film credits of the year [05:40]
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mircea_popescu hory shit look at all the damage ddosing trilema hath wrought!!11 [10:25]
mircea_popescu it's like... my lyf has no meaning nao halp halp [10:26]
asciilifeform << if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) [10:27]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 06:57:34; pete_dushenski: << for mod6, others who care to help troubleshoot 0.5.4-TEST1 on debian 7 x86 minimal [10:27]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 07:07:01; pete_dushenski: ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary) [10:27]
mircea_popescu ohai [10:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu! [10:27]
mircea_popescu in the flesh! [10:27]
mircea_popescu who died ? [10:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: have you a working 'rotor' ? [10:27]
mircea_popescu on a test box so far. [10:28]
asciilifeform neato [10:28]
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mircea_popescu in otter news, [10:31]
assbot ... ( ) [10:31]
mircea_popescu they only had one chain and one pair of shoes in the wardrobe... so they made do. [10:31]
asciilifeform and only one face [10:31]
mircea_popescu faces come from the fardrobe. very poorly supplied, especialyl for young women. [10:32]
asciilifeform apparently! [10:32]
* asciilifeform has always found this interesting [10:32]
mircea_popescu re earlier thread, this is the whole root if not the whole extension of "common human experience" : the indignity of childbirth and the precariousness of pretense. [10:32]
mircea_popescu both fundamentally female experiences. [10:32]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell jurov << what does this display on ? [10:33]
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assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 08:27:59; jurov: alf prolly wanted this... but not suitable for wall poster, unless it'll be holographic [10:33]
asciilifeform i can't find a browser that eats it [10:33]
asciilifeform hm. [10:33]
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mircea_popescu o look, it's a guy from new york!1 [10:34]
mike_c Good morning [10:35]
mircea_popescu how's the smog today ? [10:35]
mike_c smog is bearable, heat and humidity are not. [10:35]
* mircea_popescu looks out... 17 celsius... coolish breeze... mmmkay. [10:35]
mike_c ;;calc (17 * 9 /5) + 32 [10:36]
gribble 62.6 [10:36]
mike_c ooh, that sounds nice [10:36]
mircea_popescu that's right. [10:36]
asciilifeform room temp [10:36]
asciilifeform year-round... [10:36]
mircea_popescu nah room temp is more like 20-21 [10:36]
mircea_popescu depends how many naked womenz. [10:36]
asciilifeform machine room temp. [10:36]
mircea_popescu deffo. [10:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this has been a very bitter and cold winter. imagine, some of the sheargentinians actually had to wear pants! [10:37]
asciilifeform l0l!! [10:37]
mircea_popescu instead of those cunt displaycase stocking things [10:37]
mircea_popescu (which, incidentally - they call "tenias". which is everywhere else ... an intestinal parasite) [10:38]
mircea_popescu in other news, [10:38]
assbot Bitcoin MMORPG Eulora Has Potential But Needs A Ton of Work - Digital Money Times ... ( ) [10:38]
mircea_popescu gotta love the research these people do. [10:38]
mike_c look what happened to me last week: [10:39]
assbot Unsee — Free online private photo sharing ... ( ) [10:39]
mircea_popescu "it remains a bit unclear as to how many people are actually working on this project. Or to be more precise, it is unclear whether or not anyone is still developing Eulora at all." [10:39]
asciilifeform l0lwat, does that thing really need ms-vs to build ?! [10:39]
asciilifeform or fiction like rest of the article [10:39]
mircea_popescu mike_c somehow doesn't load anything for meh. [10:40]
mike_c ah, likely some unsee JS magic. anyhoo, it was a pic of my new baby girl. [10:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you want to build it you need a ricketty pile of bs. not sure if actually msvs or what. [10:41]
asciilifeform congrats mike_c [10:41]
mircea_popescu but jurov made some binaries [10:41]
mike_c thanks! [10:41]
mircea_popescu mike_c ooo grats! [10:41]
asciilifeform mike_c: how many children you have now ? [10:41]
mircea_popescu 3 ? [10:41]
mike_c boy and a girl, and we're done. [10:41]
mircea_popescu oh that's right, girly was coming. well... congrats on passing the bar of reproducing yourselves! [10:42]
mircea_popescu plenty of folks here behind on that score. [10:42]
mike_c we've done our part for the species. [10:42]
mircea_popescu whatcha gonna call her ? [10:43]
mike_c Elizabeth [10:43]
mircea_popescu o hey. [10:43]
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mike_c Yeah, I am a big proponent. [10:44]
mike_c that eulora blog post.. to leave a reply you have to be logged in - to his blog. It takes you to /wp-login/ [10:45]
mircea_popescu this is actually how wp handles it. [10:45]
mike_c nice [10:45]
mircea_popescu you log in to comment same place admin logs in to admin [10:46]
mircea_popescu tons of holes in vanilla throughout its sad decade of history, too. [10:46]
mircea_popescu 07:09:24 punkman: do you have realpath? << i think we'll end up with this in the topic lmao. [10:47]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell thestringpuller yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ? [10:48]
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mircea_popescu << bwahaha ok that's lol [10:50]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 09:56:38; BingoBoingo: See also [10:50]
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mircea_popescu from the "nice gear makes bad tits stand out even more" department, [10:57]
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mircea_popescu << aww. [10:58]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 12:28:51; jurov: wd mircea_popescu [10:58]
mod6 ;;later tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing! [10:59]
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mircea_popescu ;;isup [10:59]
gribble is up [10:59]
punkman mod6, see also my next comment [10:59]
mircea_popescu oddly enough i can't get it. perhaps im banned ?! [10:59]
punkman curling the sourceforge URL gives me HTML. wget works though. [11:00]
mircea_popescu PING ( 56(84) bytes of data. 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3003ms [11:00]
mircea_popescu newone sees it ? [11:00]
mircea_popescu (don't mind the 3ms ^C precision - i've yet to make a ping printout do two digit microsecond delays) [11:00]
kakobrekla my dns resolves to instead [11:01]
mircea_popescu << srsly lobbes, that stuff's no good. people end up having to drop coins in the jar for that sorta thing. [11:01]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:22; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can you please fix ^ ? ty [11:01]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ah! [11:01]
mircea_popescu apparently they moved. [11:02]
kakobrekla linode now [11:02]
mircea_popescu stale local cache. thanks. [11:02]
shinohai ;;later tell mod6 Bundle works for me swimmingly, Debian 7 & 8 + Ubuntu 14.04 (already had packages installed) . [11:03]
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mircea_popescu and now ima go for a walk. i leave you with [11:04]
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mod6 asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'? [11:04]
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mod6 having a fully deterministic everything is where we want to be. but I can't even get it to build yet myself. imho; we've got quite some time/work ahead of us on that. [11:15]
shinohai I have yet to build successfully on gentoo, BSD, and arm. gentoo because I don't have a system up yet, arm because I'm a retard when it comes to cross-compiling. [11:17]
mike_c mod6: any reason not to put your mining maps on the wiki? They look awesome btw. [11:27]
mike_c meaning on the wiki, as opposed to link to your site [11:27]
mod6 thx. mainly as I'm kinda still sorta updating 'em, it's easier to update 'em on my side then to push 'em into the wiki every time. [11:32]
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mod6 but eventually, im sure they'll live/reside in the wiki itself. [11:32]
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mike_c got it, makes sense. [11:34]
mod6 congrats btw mike_c :] [11:36]
mike_c thanks :) [11:37]
kakobrekla aha yes congratulations, im sure you will be around even less now [11:38]
mike_c I think I actually joined this channel a few months after my first kid was born. [11:39]
kakobrekla color me surprised [11:40]
mike_c Gotta make sure I leave them something better than USD :) [11:40]
kakobrekla is that the excuse you use on your wife? :D [11:41]
mike_c She is amused by my "bitcoin friends" [11:43]
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pete_dushenski mod6: didja catch my realpath test ? [11:58]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 07:21:43; pete_dushenski: << with realpath [11:58]
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mod6 hi pete_dushenski: yeah, did you see my last comment to you? [12:09]
pete_dushenski missed it [12:09]
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pete_dushenski << finally looking at 'rotor' now [12:10]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 13:23:41; asciilifeform: << if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) [12:10]
mod6 tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing! [12:10]
mod6 so feel free to blow way all the build directories etc. [12:11]
mod6 start over 100% since now you hvae realpath installed. [12:11]
pete_dushenski aha. i misunderstood the 'start from scratch' element. gotcha [12:11]
mod6 np. gl. [12:12]
pete_dushenski cheers :) [12:12]
mod6 i looked like to me that maybe something worked well after realpath was installed with boost, but maybe something didn't get copied over correctly with openssl. [12:12]
mod6 *it [12:12]
mod6 so better to start fresh and see. only takes a few minutes anyway. [12:12]
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shinohai [12:33]
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pete_dushenski mike_c: mazel tov ! [12:33]
mike_c thanks :) [12:34]
pete_dushenski you're leading the way for ben and i here :D [12:36]
mike_c when are you due? [12:36]
pete_dushenski 3 weeks [12:36]
mike_c Ah, good luck [12:36]
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pete_dushenski mhm. luck will be needed for when the biological instincts fall flat ! [12:37]
mike_c It's pretty easy, when it cries change its diaper and feed it. [12:38]
shinohai Congrats to the new father, and also to the fathers-to-be! [12:38]
* shinohai likes children but values his sanity. [12:38]
pete_dushenski mike_c: that's pretty much what i'm expecting [12:39]
pete_dushenski shinohai: cheers :) [12:39]
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pete_dushenski << mod6 [12:42]
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mod6 hmmm [12:43]
mod6 are you compiling as yourself or root? [12:43]
pete_dushenski myself [12:44]
mod6 well, thanks for giving it a try. not sure what's going on there atm. [12:44]
pete_dushenski np. always happy to play the tragic figure. [12:45]
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ascii_field << release is of source, rather than binary, so not sure how much of a difference it makes for the release. but it'd be nice if folks were bashing their heads agains the wall to build rotor - a fully de-drepperized bitcoin - than the old stator, imho [12:48]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 14:01:24; mod6: asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'? [12:48]
ascii_field and i'm still waiting to learn what was actually going on [12:49]
ascii_field shinohai built his, for example [12:49]
mod6 isn't rotor just 'old-stator' (from a few months ago) + buildroot & openssl patch? [12:49]
ascii_field mod6: it uses buildroot to generate a gcc and binutils clean of glibc [12:50]
mod6 i ran into the the same problem as trinque with mine. and you told him 'get a computer' [12:50]
ascii_field and builds stator with it [12:50]
ascii_field mod6: were you able to build the toolchain ? [12:51]
mod6 i built mine on a gentoo/nomultilib/glibc x86-64 host [12:51]
mod6 yes. [12:51]
mod6 well, plausibly. [12:51]
ascii_field can you compile a 'hello world' with it ? [12:51]
mod6 my build failed during the BDB build [12:51]
ascii_field (use the envir vars set in [12:51]
mod6 other than basically trying it out that one time, i've been pretty hammered with other stuff to finish before month end. [12:51]
ascii_field mod6: your bdb and other tarballs in distfiles match the checksums in MANIFEST ? [12:51]
mod6 wont really revisit until after the 1st. [12:52]
shinohai I'm going to try the pogo build with rotor again later this evening. So everyone wish me luck. [12:52]
mod6 ascii_field: ya [12:52]
mod6 that was all fine and dandy. [12:52]
ascii_field mod6: is there a link to the build output in the log ? [12:52]
ascii_field i too have been busy with other things, and lost track. [12:52]
shinohai I have very little to do all day in my situation, so throw any testing at me and I'll at least try. [12:54]
phf is rotor intended for general distribution, that is non-specialist should be able to download and do an independent turnkey build? [12:57]
ascii_field phf: yes. [12:57]
ascii_field phf: i determined, some months ago, that glibc is evil. and decided to abolish it from bitcoin. [12:57]
ascii_field !s glibc [12:57]
assbot 142 results for 'glibc' : [12:57]
ascii_field 'rotor' is the result. [12:57]
mod6 ascii_field: there are a few pastes, it starts here: [12:58]
mod6 probably 20 lines of log to wade throgh [12:58]
phf i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement [12:58]
ascii_field mod6: unfortunately there is not enough info in this paste to go on [12:58]
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ascii_field phf: the other purpose of 'rotor' is to have a 100% deterministic build [12:59]
ascii_field the only way to have this is for everyone to also build the compiler [12:59]
mod6 ok, so sometime next week, i'll rebuild again from scratch and paste the full log. [12:59]
ascii_field neato [12:59]
ascii_field in other nyooz >> << microshit turns win10 box into torrent server for winblowz update, by default [13:00]
phf is bitcoind basically a new buildroot package or you're doing shellscripts? (sorry, i've not had a chance to look at rotor yet) [13:00]
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ascii_field phf: for now, scripts. later - package [13:01]
ascii_field the reason i wrote it this way is that the result is intended to be used on a normal linux box [13:01]
ascii_field (rather than a linux produced by buildroot) [13:01]
phf aaah [13:01]
shinohai reddit wants to know when the windows release will be ready xD [13:04]
ascii_field l0lwat [13:08]
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phf qemu with buildroot.img packed into binary -> bitcoind.exe :] [13:14]
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shinohai lol phf [13:15]
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ascii_field << via qntra [13:31]
assbot "Reasonable" - Cop Jumps In Marine's Car, Shoots Him To "Save Himself" | Cop Block ... ( ) [13:31]
ascii_field ^l0lz [13:31]
ascii_field << see also [13:32]
assbot Logged on 31-05-2015 11:50:54; mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's just, as the gulf between society and government widens, the ability of society to maintain social order decays. people start taking it upon themselves to provide for their own security, the most vulnerable groups (foreign language speaking, poor immigrants) overstot, which induces negative reactions in the public, [13:32]
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ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu [13:35]
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assbot Ron Paul Slams Gen. Wesley Clark: Is He Kidding, Internment Camps? | Zero Hedge ... ( ) [13:35]
ascii_field '“We have got to identify the people who are most likely to be radicalized,” he continued. “We’ve got to cut this off at the beginning. I do think on a national policy level we need to look at what self-radicalization means because we are at war with this group of terrorists.”' << win [13:37]
ascii_field (from different birdcage liners, ) [13:37]
assbot Wesley Clark: “Disloyal Americans” should be tossed in internment camps for the “duration” of the war on terror - ... ( ) [13:37]
lobbes << aye. You are correct. I will take a look at this tonight; see if I can't find some way to implement a history of some sort [13:39]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:45; asciilifeform: we discussed this! there is no reason for one of these links to ever appear twice. [13:39]
ascii_field ty lobbes [13:39]
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ascii_field << fails... [13:53]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 13:30:22; jurov: phirephox [13:53]
jurov the end is nigh. [13:54]
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ascii_field jurov: be so kind as to post a screenshot of whatever that thing was ? [13:55]
jurov as it's 3D this does not do it justice, the fat dot is libc6 [13:59]
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ascii_field jurov: is there a picture with text ? [14:01]
jurov it shows mouseover text only for one dot at a time [14:01]
ascii_field ah [14:02]
ascii_field seems pretty useless [14:02]
ascii_field 'rat's nest' [14:02]
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trinque mats: time for me to switch deedbot- to the next tank :) [14:15]
trinque one sec and I shall [14:15]
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mats kay, if you'd get that paste i've been trying to jam in there, that'd be great [14:23]
mats is it out of coins or wut? [14:23]
trinque yup, it is in the db [14:23]
mats i think i put three or more duplicates in there in the last two days, feel free to delete em [14:24]
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trinque mats: [14:31]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( ) [14:31]
trinque the unconfirmed one should be the one you're waiting on [14:31]
trinque it'll upload to the site shortly [14:31]
mats excellent [14:32]
trinque !up gabriel_laddel [14:33]
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gabriel_laddel oh ty [14:33]
gabriel_laddel 04:49:25 mircea_popescu: they should have held out for 55 billion. << lol [14:34]
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ascii_field << what is this horror ? [14:45]
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ascii_field williamdunne: what kind of work [14:46]
trinque << here's another [14:47]
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trinque mmmmarketing tripe! [14:47]
ascii_field trinque: the one linked earlier, has a qntra news feed [14:47]
ascii_field appears to be written by Azelphur [14:47]
trinque wat [14:47]
trinque in-wot jobs board isn't that bad an idea, really [14:48]
trinque could just deedbot your resume and announce here, though [14:49]
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Azelphur I wrote something? o.O [14:51]
ascii_field 'Powered by BitRecruiter Written in pyth by Azelphur' [14:52]
Azelphur Please note that I am a programmer and did not write any of the content [14:52]
ascii_field ah [14:52]
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williamdunne ascii_field: Programming (C#, Java, can learn other things), banking relationships, web development. Really anything that can get me a few bob each month [15:13]
ascii_field << txt of earlier link [15:14]
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williamdunne For the right job with additional incentives aside from salary I'd work sub-minimum [15:15]
trinque this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane. [15:15]
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trinque !up ascii_field [15:15]
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trinque dunno that there's a better measure of american hubris than that. [15:15]
ascii_field trinque: as i understand, the story isn't about '90s-style bans, but smoke to distract from the fact the 'smartPnohe' etc. is thoroughly pwned and usg-controlled on every level, 'crypted' or not [15:16]
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trinque yeah, makes sense. [15:16]
shinohai Easiest way to spy on your citizens is to put a device in every household they can't resist. [15:17]
trinque t-telescreen? [15:17]
trinque that's what I call my android phone [15:17]
trinque I don't know that even Mr. Huxley would've ever dreamt you'd carry the thing around with you. [15:19]
ascii_field orwell [15:19]
trinque who'd be so dumb? [15:19]
trinque ah I'm sorry, you're right. [15:19]
ascii_field huxley was optimist! his phyootoor had endless dope and all-day-long fuck for everyone [15:19]
phf huxley is the one who predicted that you would carry such a device and you would love it [15:19]
trinque still waiting on that soma [15:19]
trinque phf: right [15:19]
decimation lulz [15:20]
assbot Police Officer Involved in Deadly Cincinnati Shooting Indicted for Murder - ABC News ... ( ) [15:20]
decimation ^ apparently in some places 'rule of law' kinda applies to cops [15:20]
ascii_field wake me up when they hang lon horiuchi [15:20]
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trinque << oh great. [15:47]
assbot Special Report: Ukraine struggles to control maverick battalions [15:47]
trinque "Moscow must burn." [15:47]
trinque a) hilarious, good luck kid, and b) great excuse for russia to do whatever the hell it wants next [15:47]
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ascii_field general interest: [15:52]
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mircea_popescu what work exactly williamdunne ? [15:53]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Programming preferred, but anything that pays and I'm capable of, which I'd like to imagine is a fairly wide range of things [15:54]
mircea_popescu come to argentina start a black market dollar trading empire. [15:57]
mircea_popescu the locals are broadly speaking too retarded to qualify as frogs. [15:57]
williamdunne I lack capital, but conceptualized a service that could handle such things [15:58]
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williamdunne (Friend is working on something similar for India/Brazil) [15:58]
mircea_popescu forget "service" dood. stop trying to abstract your ass from the fucking, that's not how it works. [15:59]
mircea_popescu go on the street, it's where life happens. [16:00]
mircea_popescu that's what the local derps are daydreaming too, "services" and "platforms" and their mother's wide cunts. [16:00]
phf hypothetically speaking how does a black market dollar trading works? bring cash past border control, sell to locals at margin? [16:00]
mircea_popescu phf buy and sell from locals, organise couriers to keep bringing bills in to help me bring down the fucktarded slow motion socialism they call "peroniosm" here [16:01]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: how does bringing green pieces of paper from up north help bring down anyone ? [16:01]
mircea_popescu whole shebang's got maaaaaybe a coupla years left of "podremos vivir mejor" and "victoria es tener un trabajo y non necesitar un secundo" left in it. [16:02]
mircea_popescu ascii_field because they're worthless. [16:02]
ascii_field am i thick or what [16:03]
williamdunne What is the primary method of getting Argentinian toilet paper back into dollars? [16:03]
mircea_popescu you wait for a coupla years, then buy the pick of the crop of the current 12 yo women and sell them to brunei. [16:03]
mircea_popescu by then they'll just be startin' the bleedin'. [16:03]
ascii_field i mean, when i visited i traded mircea_popescu a bit of usd for coin. how did he use them to put a small hole in 'peronism' ? [16:03]
mircea_popescu ascii_field the less control over the currency the soi-dissant state enjoys, the closer it gets to its pissant destiny. [16:05]
punkman mircea_popescu: how much USD can one bring when entering .ar ? [16:05]
mircea_popescu and ~currency~ means something specific. the ~current~ medium of exchange. [16:05]
mircea_popescu punkman usual 10k or whatever you feel like stashing. [16:05]
ascii_field 10k is the traditional legal limit usa-side [16:05]
punkman around 10k euros around europe too [16:05]
mircea_popescu some people bring half mil to a mil, but then you run the risk of having to maybe shoot the dummies. [16:06]
punkman are there euros in .ar black market? [16:06]
mircea_popescu some people prefer to not bother. either way. [16:06]
mircea_popescu sort-of, yeah. [16:06]
ascii_field if the $mil fits in your pocket, you probably won't have to shoot anyone [16:06]
mircea_popescu ascii_field the half mil fits in a large travel bag. [16:06]
ascii_field aha [16:06]
mircea_popescu you've seen dollars before, yes ? [16:06]
ascii_field l0l [16:06]
punkman if they catch you with half-a-mil do they just confiscate? [16:07]
mircea_popescu no, you shoot them. [16:07]
mircea_popescu fucking confiscate, what is this. [16:07]
mircea_popescu "if you give that nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle." [16:07]
ascii_field probably safer to have this bad outside, vs inside of usa! [16:07]
ascii_field *bag [16:07]
mircea_popescu anyway. bring some friends, the hos you can't do without, some money and i guess handguns if you don't care for the chinese half-and-half crap. [16:08]
ascii_field half and half ? [16:09]
mircea_popescu (new chinese smg! shoots every other bullet!1" [16:09]
ascii_field l0l! mircea_popescu has one ? [16:09]
mircea_popescu mno. [16:09]
ascii_field i hear it's made for export only [16:09]
ascii_field .cn army does not field this. [16:09]
mircea_popescu yeah. to argentina and morocco [16:09]
mircea_popescu and any other places inhabited by the sort of retard. [16:09]
ascii_field incidentally, i've wondered when u.s. folks travelling with cash usd will learn about thermite as countermeasure to 'confiscator' [16:10]
ascii_field was sop for sov. diplomatic couriers [16:11]
mircea_popescu why blow money over some twerp ? blow the twerp. [16:11]
punkman !up thestringpuller [16:11]
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ascii_field instruction, iirc, was '1) hit red button 2) open fire' [16:11]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: game-theoretical instrument [16:11]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: cools the ardour of the enemy, cheaply [16:12]
thestringpuller << some of the redditards are getting sick of hearn's shit now too [16:12]
thestringpuller yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ? << we do cookies... [16:14]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i don't think you understand what the word "stupid" means. [16:14]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: cow is stupid. still learns to avoid the barbed wire [16:15]
phf mircea_popescu: so the idea is to basically work as exchange, but with black market rate premium, whatever it is 30-40%, and a wider buy vs sell spread? [16:15]
mircea_popescu phf the idea is to basically work as an exchange, yes. [16:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33158 @ 0.00052485 = 17.403 BTC [-] [16:16]
mircea_popescu dollar trades 13.8-14.2 atm, "officially" at 8.whatever, in the sense that if you're a farmer and you sell soy, you're going to be paid for the dollars you bring in at that rate. [16:16]
mircea_popescu otherwise not meaningful. [16:16]
mircea_popescu govt is essentially running a 60% arbitrage on the last remaining productive leg of the place, which is fucking soy farming. [16:17]
mircea_popescu anyway. there's no shortage of work to be had here. and i mean serious work. [16:18]
mircea_popescu the shortage is i can't get enough people [16:18]
mircea_popescu but i mean people not social media derps. [16:18]
ascii_field people people, aha [16:19]
phf hmm [16:19]
mircea_popescu i imagine this is by now a worldwide problem. [16:20]
ascii_field which 'this' ? [16:21]
mircea_popescu can't find people. [16:22]
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mircea_popescu lol wait, gmaxwell and mike hearn bitching at each other on reddit as to who should go do an altcoin ? [16:22]
mircea_popescu the mpsecution rests. [16:22]
mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [16:22]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [16:22]
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mircea_popescu Last week, Retired General Wesley Clark, who was NATO commander during the US bombing of Serbia, proposed that “disloyal Americans” be sent to internment camps for the “duration of the conflict.” [16:23]
mircea_popescu ahaha wut. [16:23]
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mircea_popescu check it out ascii_field, everything's rosy over at nigger house! they're so happy with the way shit's going they're gonna buy everyone a round! [16:24]
ascii_field ... of zyklon b ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu whatever they can afford. [16:25]
mircea_popescu gettit ? can ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu bwahahahah [16:25]
mircea_popescu oh lawdy i kill myself! [16:25]
mircea_popescu GEDDIT ?!?!?! [16:25]
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jurov ascii_field: do you have a terminal emulator stashed anywhere? [16:33]
jurov everything i can find is married to gtk [16:33]
ascii_field jurov: 'screen' [16:33]
ascii_field jurov: [16:33]
assbot GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( ) [16:33]
ascii_field the only other one i've used in the past decade was 'minicom' [16:33]
mircea_popescu screen for the ween! [16:34]
ascii_field before that.... 'kermit' ! [16:34]
ascii_field for msdos. [16:34]
mircea_popescu no no, screen's good. [16:34]
ascii_field i literally can't recall any other than these 3. [16:34]
ascii_field (at one point i owned an actual 'glass tty' ibm terminal, but parents threw it out) [16:35]
jurov ithings just came down into adding terminal emulator to eulora and i'm weighing down the options [16:36]
ascii_field lol, like the one in 'quake' ? [16:36]
jurov i'm blissfully unaware of quake [16:37]
mircea_popescu better than the one in quake. [16:38]
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mircea_popescu << check it out, that came in rhyme. [16:58]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 15:35:31; *: shinohai likes children but values his sanity. [16:58]
mircea_popescu << what is this ? [16:59]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 15:55:28; phf: i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement [16:59]
jurov musl is alternative libc [16:59]
mircea_popescu i know what musl is. [16:59]
shinohai I guess I was unwittingly a poet today. [16:59]
mircea_popescu what movement is he on aboot ? [16:59]
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assbot software that sucks less ... ( ) [17:00]
mircea_popescu omg this exists ? [17:00]
ascii_field not, afaik, affiliated with the musl folks in any direct sense [17:00]
ascii_field but they link to it [17:00]
shinohai I was just about to respond to the pic mircea_popescu posted. Such sanctimonious horseshit makes me sick. [17:00]
ascii_field [17:00]
assbot Stuff that rocks | software that sucks less ... ( ) [17:00]
mircea_popescu is this a sort of gabriel_laddel pre gabriel_laddel ? [17:01]
shinohai Raw fucking potato indeed, what is this Latvia? [17:01]
ascii_field << see also [17:01]
assbot Philosophy | software that sucks less ... ( ) [17:01]
mircea_popescu suckless conference 2015, Budapest [17:01]
mircea_popescu slcon2 will be held in Budapest on Oct 30-31 2015. [17:01]
mircea_popescu This time it’ll be a conference for invited participants only. [17:01]
mircea_popescu holy shit. [17:01]
mircea_popescu unretarded people exist. what a day! [17:01]
ascii_field existed for years [17:02]
mircea_popescu << aww. [17:02]
assbot people | software that sucks less ... ( ) [17:02]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i don't know everything! [17:02]
mircea_popescu "We believe this should become the mainstream philosophy in the IT sector." << it IS the mainsteam philosophy. just a bunch of barnacles hanging on. [17:03]
ascii_field [17:04]
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mircea_popescu ok, i like these people. [17:04]
mircea_popescu and, of course, spolski. [17:04]
phf systemd was really the last nail in the coffin, this stuff was going on for a while, like which is a open standards body (?) for all the retardation that came out of kde/gnome and "linux on desktop" [17:04]
assbot The Duct Tape Programmer - Joel on Software ... ( ) [17:04]
mircea_popescu phf "you may have your thing revolutionize the world provided you agree to make it not change anything". [17:05]
mircea_popescu anyway. spolsky's making a mess of things. what a dumb article. [17:07]
phf of what i saw jwz wrote some tight no nonsense code, i think it's an unfair characterization of him. i guess things are seen different from microsoft mgmt perch [17:09]
mircea_popescu missing antecedent here. what ? [17:10]
ascii_field jwz took a big, fat shit into the software ecosystem [17:11]
ascii_field unrepentantly, proudly [17:11]
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ascii_field in my mind he represents the sv idiot culture [17:13]
phf mircea_popescu: in the duct tape programmer spolsky used jamie zawinski, jwz, as his main example, and i think it's an odd, backhanded characterization, that's mainly there to drive a point about something that spolsky imagined [17:14]
mircea_popescu oh oh. [17:14]
gabriel_laddel jwz also failed to use his winnings productively. [17:14]
mircea_popescu you are actually both right and apparently well informed. [17:14]
jurov re: suckless actually 'dvtm' terminal emulator may be what i asked for [17:15]
trinque ah suckless... I ran dwm for quite a long time [17:15]
mircea_popescu what an exciting day. [17:15]
shinohai [17:16]
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mircea_popescu "When asked why he jumped into the window by investigators, Nordman responded, “[to] make the driver stop the car. He didn’t seem like he was gonna… tak[e] me seriously enough – me being outside the car and telling him to stop – so I figured I’d get inside and make him stop.”" [17:17]
mircea_popescu ahh, the primary driver of usg agent behaviour - that ever present gnawing fear at the back of the skull that who knows, maybe someone somewhere is laughing at them [17:17]
jurov i have even found an opengl term that's supposed to rotate char at cursor :D but from 2002 [17:17]
jurov but reasonably recent and not bloated things are hard apparently [17:18]
mircea_popescu "Nordman and Heron have been cleared of all criminal wrongdoing in the incident and have received no disciplinary action from the department despite an internal review." [17:18]
gernika ascii_field is there a summary of sv idiot culture somewhere that enumerates the major flaws? My own experience of it is that it is sort of a fraud culture in which fraud "prototypes" are developed to be sold to google/facebook/apple for marketing purposes. [17:18]
mircea_popescu gernika so there you go. [17:18]
ascii_field gernika: ultimately it is a set of pigs competing for trough of the u.s. fed arse-mouth-system printing usd to buy stocks with [17:19]
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mircea_popescu << who's the nick denton of shit=po ? are they quitting ? [17:21]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 18:09:48; ascii_field: << >> 'WaPo-Yanked Op-Ed Supporting Ubiquitous Crypto' [17:21]
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mircea_popescu or is that only if you bother some random anon faggot ? [17:21]
mircea_popescu << no ban is ever different you realise. [17:22]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 18:11:58; trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane. [17:22]
trinque certainly. [17:22]
punkman jurov, did you see this ? [17:22]
assbot st - simple terminal ... ( ) [17:23]
mircea_popescu every "ban" comes from the same happy place of insanity. [17:23]
gernika Seems like the fraud model took over in the 90s and resulted in the first bust. [17:23]
phf ascii_field: was talking purely about his programming style. he writes like an oldfag without "paradigms", focused [17:24]
mircea_popescu "I would like Ukraine to lead the crusades," said Korchynsky, whose battalion's name is Saint Mary. "Our mission is not only to kick out the occupiers, but also revenge. Moscow must burn." [17:24]
mircea_popescu ahaha pretty great. [17:24]
mircea_popescu burn moscow in the name of xtianity ? [17:24]
ascii_field phf: eh, so does everybody over ~30 [17:24]
mircea_popescu "No political force should have, and will not have, any kind of armed cells. No political organization has the right to establish ... criminal groups," Poroshenko said on July 13. [17:25]
mircea_popescu herp. [17:25]
mircea_popescu disarm the police, we'll talk. maybe. [17:25]
jurov punkman the problem is, i need it to draw on opengl canvas [17:26]
mircea_popescu jurov you sure ? [17:27]
mircea_popescu client already has a display thing, hook it. [17:27]
jurov yes it is posible to place it as fixed X child window but then it's forever limited to linux/X [17:28]
jurov i don't reject that altogether, will see how it goes [17:29]
punkman jurov, this might be relevant [17:29]
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jurov oh i did not mean so lowlevel, there are already text primitives provided [17:30]
mircea_popescu jurov no but i mean... read say diana's code, she's usiong native functions to output text in a window [17:30]
jurov yes but it's "dumb terminal" [17:31]
mircea_popescu let cs handle the canvas bs for you is by far the best idea. and only toucvh the radioactive pile of crap it is via the client api for oyur own safety. [17:31]
phf jurov: maybe? [17:31]
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jurov phf that's the ancient thing with rotating letter i mentioned [17:32]
phf oh, right [17:32]
jurov it can't even get pty properly [17:32]
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phf you could use something like with cs3d's python plugin. that sounds unholy though [17:34]
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jurov phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs [17:35]
jurov but it does some "paws" homebrew stuff without py bindings [17:36]
jurov btw, i naively created swig py bindings just for network messages, .py and .cxx it came out several MB [17:37]
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jurov and i had to comment out structs nested inside classes [17:37]
jurov it eventually compliled, did not dare to try it yet [17:38]
jurov as it was said earlier when boost was discussed, either it gets used or some crappy homebrew replacement [17:39]
jurov CS does the latter [17:39]
diana_coman cs pretty much insists on replacing everything for some reason [17:40]
diana_coman from what I saw so far [17:40]
phf well, no, the approach would be to implement necessary drawing primitives on top of existing console in eulora (they are probably already there, just need to be catalogued), expose those primitives via python interface, and then hook the primitives into pyte's rendering callbacks. wxwidgets are not involved anywhere [17:40]
punkman what's the purpose of this anyway? [17:41]
jurov < dis [17:42]
assbot Eulora client Freenode patch on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:42]
jurov phf, python will be for things that are likely to change, players scripting actions [17:42]
jurov i am not passing output and esp. keyboard/mouse input through that just to draw terminal emulator [17:43]
phf :> [17:43]
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jurov dvtm is few concise 3kloc C files that know how to manage MxN text matrix+attributes [17:44]
jurov btw williamdunne everyone is hating on eulora that it does not have official website, you're welcome to put together one [17:48]
jurov and get paid in quality bits of nothing ;D [17:49]
shinohai "get paid in quality bits of nothing" <<< Dogecoin ? [17:54]
jurov lol no it's real eulora item [17:55]
shinohai ^______________^ [17:55]
jurov here's mod6 posing next to heap of them [17:58]
assbot ... ( ) [17:58]
jurov he's just a bit awkward with camera [17:58]
shinohai Seems like everyone here plays this game but me. :/ [18:02]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [18:02]
diana_coman so come over in eulora shinohai [18:02]
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ascii_field or me [18:02]
shinohai I absolutely suck at gaming. The last thing I played and enjoyed was probably Mario Kart. [18:03]
diana_coman ha ha, you never know until you try it though [18:03]
jurov please don't, eulora is a plot to sabotage the foundation efforts [18:03]
shinohai Besides tetris, which I can play inside my irc client. [18:03]
diana_coman ah wow, haven't played that in some years, hmmmm [18:03]
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mircea_popescu shit jurov's on to me. [18:27]
williamdunne jurov: How convertible are bits of nothing, and how many bits of nothing would it be worth? For personal reasons need some liquid money in my life [18:27]
mircea_popescu one's worth like 11 satoshi orsome such. [18:28]
mod6 jurov: lol, awkward? [18:31]
jurov mod6 all shots are from behind [18:32]
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mod6 i play in 3rd person follow [18:32]
jurov williamdunne it's not paid per contract, just classical la serenissima voluntary debt [18:33]
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jurov mircea_popescu will arrange 20 virgins for you when you die or some such [18:35]
mircea_popescu jurov nah, diana got like 1k slithy tove. [18:36]
mircea_popescu she's the queen of whimsy nao, we all gotta bow to her for samovar goodness. [18:36]
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jurov guess she has no use for virgins posthumously :D [18:37]
diana_coman ha ha jurov [18:37]
jurov but seriously, eulora's economy is several BTC worth by now [18:37]
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jurov i got bitcents worth of nifty items, too, for free (and overpaid for others.. that's life) [18:41]
mircea_popescu actually eulora economy is like 10 btc. [18:42]
punkman what would some starter mining/crafting tools cost me? [18:43]
punkman too bad I lost the bezzlebag :/ [18:43]
jurov you can mine barehanded [18:44]
diana_coman punkman you can even mine with your hands for that matter, so for free [18:44]
mircea_popescu punkman you can mine for free, ill give you some bits of nothing for your tinies for free also. [18:45]
diana_coman and bits of nothing are like 11-12 satoshi or you'll prolly get some for free from someone (me even) [18:45]
mircea_popescu you can buy thread for your smalls, i sell high q stuff at ~430 each [18:45]
mircea_popescu but prolly best off selling your smal claims to a higher mienr for cash or a cut or w/e [18:45]
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trinque williamdunne: iirc gabriel_laddel had common lisp work [18:54]
trinque might inquire with him [18:55]
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mircea_popescu in other news, [19:12]
assbot ... ( ) [19:12]
mircea_popescu [19:12]
assbot The best Obamacare-makes-healthcare-affordable story you ever heard. Also, survivalism. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:12]
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mircea_popescu phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs << rewriting it on wxwidgets not illegal ftr. [19:13]
hanbot achtung noobkart. stator's distfiles manifest lists a boost bz2, ml67 pulls in gz. bz2 from sourceforge doesn't match manifest's sha512sum, where is correct bz2 located? [19:16]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [19:17]
trinque sourceforge are scum [19:17]
mircea_popescu !b 3 [19:17]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [19:17]
trinque I can put my copies of the distfiles on [19:18]
trinque which do match. [19:18]
mircea_popescu she had me at achtung noobkart. sort-of like you know, armored ? [19:18]
trinque haha [19:18]
hanbot trinque ya but said ml67 pulls in from sourceforge, whaddamigonnado. deedbot would be great [19:18]
trinque I dunno ask ben_vulpes [19:18]
hanbot mircea_popescu with trumpets flatulant [19:19]
mircea_popescu << the original noobkart pilot, of course [19:19]
assbot ... ( ) [19:19]
trinque hanbot: [19:27]
trinque db and openssl are also there [19:27]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [19:33]
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mircea_popescu << which one is this yelp again ? [22:35]
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mircea_popescu << which one is this yelp again ? [22:36]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 22:35:04; pete_dushenski: yelp market cap now 1.87 bn and is down 70% this year. wd sv ! [22:36]
punkman mircea_popescu: yellow pages thingie [22:37]
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mircea_popescu oh [22:37]
mircea_popescu myeah, prime target for revolutionizing, they used to be big data in the 70s [22:37]
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mircea_popescu << o.O ?! [22:38]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 22:57:10; mod6: The Foundation isn't going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin. [22:38]
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mircea_popescu doesn't sound like too bright an idea. [22:40]
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mircea_popescu for that matter, sourceforge did go away. [22:40]
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mircea_popescu << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else. [22:42]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 23:05:49; mod6: Trying to create a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction. [22:42]
mircea_popescu this "pure code" approach is no different from every other "pure research" proposition - sure, you're purely able to pursue pure goals now, but the cost is any conceivable relevancy. [22:43]
mircea_popescu in any case in the triangle "monthly releases" "mod6 does all teh work" "bitcoind is usable" i'm not going to pick the first two for fucks sake. [22:44]
mircea_popescu what sort of priorities be these. [22:45]
mircea_popescu "In just five years, Uber has accumulated enough rideshare industry milestones to make your head spin. The total distance traveled by all Uber drivers would take you to Planet Saturn — and back. " [22:46]
* BingoBoingo taking time to nuke ophanages from 0.7.2 ish Bastard block annihilator pretty much works as ascii offered it. [22:46]
mircea_popescu blergh, fucktarded sales copy, i guess i'm the dumbass for not noticing it's washitpo again [22:46]
mircea_popescu ahahaha ads in windows 10 ? win. [22:48]
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mircea_popescu "cortana" the resurgent paperclip ? bwahaha [22:48]
mircea_popescu << lolk. [22:49]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 23:58:57; hanbot: trinque my sha512sum was of old, stale item. refreshed, matches, tyvm. [22:49]
mircea_popescu << what reason would that be ? [22:50]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 00:02:16; phf: trinque: probably same reason openbsd is not the blessed b-a target platform [22:50]
mircea_popescu << from what i'm seeing this is actually slowly emerging. [22:51]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 00:37:59; trinque: mod6: maybe you guys need a build/test crew. [22:51]
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mircea_popescu "early experiments show that statically linked binaries are usually smaller than their dynamically linked glibc counterparts!!!" [22:53]
mircea_popescu god help foss srsly. [22:53]
mircea_popescu "Note, this is pretty much contrary to what Ulrich Drepper reckons about static linking." << everywhere a gavin! [22:53]
mircea_popescu some fucktard who "recknons" and so on. [22:53]
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mircea_popescu< word [22:56]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 00:56:55; trinque: BingoBoingo: an excellent perspective on the news as ever. [22:56]
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mircea_popescu << that's actually remarkably apt, mcsoccermomland. [22:57]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 00:57:24; ag3nt_zer0: yeah we arent naive... and the fact that we preface our observations with these "conditions" indicates how fucking cancerous the psychic milleu is here in mcsoccermomland... [22:57]
mircea_popescu that'd be the problem. too much convenience, and allowing women the illusion that anyone asked them for any input in the big question of whether their offspring survives or not. [22:58]
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mircea_popescu << the legal precedent is that if you're thye sort of guy that solves his own poroblems rather than seek the help of the state, you're a self-radicalizing terrorists and general wesley snipes of nato wants you in treblinka [23:01]
assbot Logged on 30-07-2015 01:24:23; trinque: so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by a low-flying drone and there isn't shit you can do about it? [23:01]
mircea_popescu or somethinglikethat. [23:01]
trinque no kidding. the resistance to intelligence is palpable. [23:02]
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decimation usg claims *all* airspace on its lands, starting at 0 feet [23:10]
decimation just like usg claims all your ideas: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;" [23:11]
decimation ^ how could the constition give you your ideas if usg didn't own them first? [23:11]
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decimation it's an implict claim [23:17]
trinque I reject entirely the notion that concepts can be owned. [23:19]
trinque yeah beer too [23:19]
trinque because they don't own the concept if that's what they claim they're doing [23:21]
trinque it implies massive domination of *action* [23:21]
trinque I dun geddit, yet lol [23:22]
trinque I will revise to: no one can prevent me from making use of a concept; they live in the mind [23:23]
trinque I'm responding to decimation re: IP [23:23]
trinque to the extent that someone thinks they own a concept, I may lie and let him think so [23:24]
trinque yet I will use the concept any way that benefits me [23:24]
trinque sure, and those are actions, and someone may or may not use their power to foil you [23:27]
trinque but you can't own a fucking concept [23:27]
trinque those are arrangements of language [23:28]
BingoBoingo So transaction orphanage not as clean to cut out of 0.7.2 but done. Bitcoin running. Now to see if it catches up. [23:29]
trinque I'm speaking about the cultural vulgarity of "I own that idea" [23:29]
trinque if you disagree, so be it [23:29]
trinque controlling an idea requires an immensely more repressed society than I would prefer to live in [23:29]
trinque I only live that my thoughts may be less encumbered by morons by the day [23:30]
mod6 mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be just fine if we don't ship a "" or an "" in the source and simply just maintain a cookbook and preferred steps like I was saying here: [23:32]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 22:58:15; mod6: How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems. [23:32]
mod6 ? [23:32]
decimation the US used to have a knockoff culture for its first hundred years or so [23:34]
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decimation british machines were brought to the us to undercut english goods [23:34]
mircea_popescu mod6 actually... the ideal is something like [23:34]
assbot Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( ) [23:34]
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mod6 exactly what I'm referring to. [23:34]
mircea_popescu not merely just an, but step by step instructions to a level of detail never seen in open source. [23:34]
mod6 you brought that up the otherday, agree 100% [23:34]
mircea_popescu more's the point here, i get the impression you're chaffing under too much workload. [23:35]
mircea_popescu !up mitzip [23:35]
-assbot- You voiced mitzip for 30 minutes. [23:35]
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mod6 we need something that people can utilize to make it work. i totally agree with that. and scripts and other widgets to make it work could even be a separate bundle. [23:35]
mod6 well, i've been pushin pretty hard as far as work load -- what scares me is taking on buildroot and trying to bundle/test the entire thing. [23:36]
mircea_popescu ok but listen, deep breath time. [23:36]
mod6 and besides, we haven't exactly had great luck with our own build scripts to date. [23:36]
mircea_popescu useful work is useful work. taking responsibility for the whole world is a different story. [23:36]
mircea_popescu why mix the two. [23:36]
trinque mod6: I've already been testing some of your stuff; if nobody else wants to manage the build script, I'm fine with it [23:37]
mircea_popescu sure, not to date. but we're not going by the criteria of what is easy, so we don't really care. if we won't have success for the next decade we'll be here trying it in 2026. [23:37]
trinque offer's open [23:37]
trinque I've got a 4u collecting dust, etc etc [23:37]
trinque ben_vulpes has also put some work into his own script, so maybe he wants to handle it [23:38]
mod6 trinque: he and i discussed this breifly. and I won't speak for him here. but i wouldn't have said what I said earlier without at least a discussion about that. [23:40]
mod6 i think he's as tired of our build script problems as I am. [23:40]
mod6 which is why he said he wrote that in the first place. [23:40]
mod6 but mircea_popescu makes sense. [23:40]
trinque yeah, I mean the thing needs a derpinstaller [23:40]
trinque there aren't enough smart people in the world [23:40]
trinque even among the smart people... :p [23:40]
mircea_popescu mod6 just don't go to this dark place where "omg it's the 29th and i must have a working final version of bitcoind to announce [23:41]
mircea_popescu " [23:41]
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mircea_popescu you don't belong there, and moreover that's just not our company style. [23:41]
mod6 oh no. i wasn't planning on that at all this month anyway. [23:41]
mod6 not even for a few months -- even before rotor came out. [23:41]
mod6 the idea was; put out this test bundle and see if we're on the right track and if anyone hits any problems with any of the patches. [23:42]
mircea_popescu that said, obviously the effort to make anything work on the stack of shit we inherited from our retarded ancestors is nothing short of immense. but, chipping away at it is going to deliver, and confronting it is definitely going to show us a few useful things. [23:42]
mircea_popescu mod6 so far 90%+ of the problems have been with installation, from what i've seen [23:43]
mod6 yeah totally agree. and i can't help but wonder if it's simply because of things that each persons different host has not installed by default. but it's hard to account for all of that. [23:44]
mod6 hard, not impossible. [23:44]
mircea_popescu yeah. still, it's valuable to try, because if you help people they'll help you. [23:44]
mircea_popescu later on. [23:44]
mircea_popescu otherwise struggling with installers etc is a horrid trudge, but it is also an investment in human capital. [23:45]
mod6 so i guess there is still a bit of a fork in the road; even if we do all of the hard work of ensuring peoples host dependantcies are installed before any compiling is even attempted, do we even want that to be a thing, as stan said, this is now obsolete. And do we now maintain a lot of other things for buildroot? [23:46]
mircea_popescu we will have to at the very least maintain packages we want to use, in the basic sense of, archival for download. [23:47]
mircea_popescu this sounds patently insane, i agree, but i just recently discovered in unrelated proejct that it's unavoidable. [23:47]
mircea_popescu sourceforge goes down, there goes youre entire project, seriously ? [23:47]
mircea_popescu can't even afford this for eulora, let alone for bitcoin. [23:48]
mod6 yeah I saw that about the eulora thing. [23:48]
mircea_popescu and do not buy into the illusion that it was an isolated incident. [23:48]
mircea_popescu it could happenb to sf, it can and definitely will happen to github etc. [23:48]
mod6 so should we still create scripts for people to build without buildroot (i.e. and then host packages for the ability to construct a buildroot with a drop-in of the foundation source? [23:50]
punkman I'm willing to contribute Ansible scripts to deploy/build/debug instances of bitcoind via ssh to different machines. for automating some of the testing workload. [23:50]
decimation [23:50]
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trinque punkman: yeah, I was thinking my 4u could be a build/test box [23:51]
trinque after all, that's apparently what it did for the kernel devs, haha [23:51]
mircea_popescu mod6 i'm not entirely sure how the specifics should work out. bit of an open question atm [23:51]
mircea_popescu but i'm pretty sure can't simply abandon the entire userland question, it'd be a major strategic mistake. [23:52]
mod6 i agree. i'm just being careful not to create more work for myself/others than necessary. [23:52]
mircea_popescu i can appreciate that. [23:52]
mircea_popescu decimation that's what makes it suspicious. 20mn slashdot, 2bn github. because... reasons. [23:53]
mod6 ok well.... thanks for setting me straight. [23:53]
mircea_popescu anyway, you should prolly take a bit of time away from the hands on work you love and do some management stuff. [23:54]
mircea_popescu at the very least draw a schema of what and how needs done so people's offers to help can be plugged in [23:54]
punkman trinque, sure set it up with your choice of OS and I'll write one for you [23:54]
trinque punkman: bitchin' [23:54]
decimation well, it's all theoretical valuation [23:54]
trinque it already has a basic gentoo install [23:54]
decimation nobody has offered to buy the thing for $2b as far as I know [23:54]
mod6 mircea_popescu: ok sure. can do. [23:54]
mircea_popescu decimation you kiddin' me, it could buy out all the russia! [23:55]
mircea_popescu o wait, wrong one huh. nm. [23:55]
decimation lul [23:56]
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decimation apparently github has turned into fark [23:56]
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mircea_popescu lol [23:57]
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