Forum logs for 28 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform mats: ' it’s no more available unless you use some very old phones/firmwares ( on most devices they removed the ttyUSB serial interfaces to send AT commands to the GSM modem as well ).' << explain to me why this trick requires a phone. i have a crate of gsm modems here, they all have serial lines and take hayes AT command set [00:00]
trinque though if it's a matter of my strange I'll worry about it then let the rest know the fix if I find it [00:00]
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decimation yeah nearly all modern smartphones still use the 'at commmands' to control the 'baseband' cpu to my knowledge [00:01]
asciilifeform so why bother with the 'phone that won't let' [00:01]
asciilifeform just buy the modem [00:02]
asciilifeform ten bux or so. [00:02]
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mircea_popescu << because all the Sarah Jessica Parkers/randi zuckerbergs/ Kristen Wiigs are SO VERY IMPORTANT and valuable and productive and did i say smart and intellectual ??? that people canb't help but pay them. [07:35]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:21:19; decimation: why else would you buy a newspaper? [07:36]
mircea_popescu that last one is especially indicative, she's made a career such as it is out of depicting herselv, which is to say, aging stupid woman with delusions of "intellectual", a sort of julia a moore of the current generation. except that in 1930 the opriginal was a laughingstock, and today every other female is basically wiig in a slightly varied color scheme. [07:37]
mircea_popescu in any case, that's denton's unforgivable crime : that he pointed out to the anal children that their self-delusions are not only impossible, and not only ridiculous. they're actually NOT FOOLING ANYONE. such an ego wound is intolerable, and you can fully expect "the entire blabla" to walk out in a fury. because they were only "working" for gawker to protect this particular egotastic trip, nothing ewlse. which is why t [07:39]
mircea_popescu hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid. [07:39]
mircea_popescu ego trips being of course an economic surplus phenomenon, and the us being pretty much wrung out of any sort of surplus whatsoever, expect a lot of such arguments to come. [07:39]
mircea_popescu (ps - it's not incidental all the examples are women. this is very strictly a female mental issue) [07:40]
mircea_popescu (ps2, see bridesmaids, it's 10k words). [07:44]
mircea_popescu << he has a point, all attempts to heat water sooner or later reduce to a half assed, poorly specified, wasteful and buggy reimplementation of a samovar. [07:45]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:30:46; phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey [07:45]
mircea_popescu << a) that's a horrid illustration to use right aftetr the "civilised gathering" ; b) electric ones are a joke anyway - you use smokleess charcoal/embers from your fireplace to heat it ; c) of course it can make coffee. [07:48]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:34:59; phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway [07:48]
mircea_popescu << i know. it is getting broken, this. also deliberately, only by a much greater force than anything "the western world" could ever muster. [07:52]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:40:53; asciilifeform: << folks who actually do work are not ever, as a matter of deliberate policy, let anywhere near a mainstream microphone [07:52]
mircea_popescu ie, us. [07:52]
mircea_popescu << hopefulyl not for very long. [07:52]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person. [07:52]
mircea_popescu chiefly through reintroducing the "died a horrible painful death through not having had the golden blessed opportunity of there being any learned persons able or willing to scream at him" [07:53]
mircea_popescu << myeah. hence teh word. quite apt. [07:55]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:44:55; asciilifeform: they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships [07:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, it's easy to overlook just how almighty powerful the wot system and the signature chain is in dealing with these schmucks. once my "you don't exist" approach as deployed on that tim schmuckley fellow is realised, that's the end of barnacling. [07:56]
mircea_popescu which explains both why they writhe and wiggle so when the salt is applied, - oh they don't "need" the wot dontcha know, because "they have irl friends!!1" and other bs defenses of the specific sort of retard. what, like i'm 16 and covered in pimples and i'm going to care some derp from the enemy camp doesn't think so much of my social proof ? herp. [07:57]
mircea_popescu and it also explains the various hangers ons stuffing the channel here, got their sig registered and trying to scrape as much support and connectivity without doing any sort of actual work. [07:58]
mircea_popescu which sure, seems to work to some degree. obviously this is ONLY the case because we don't actually care yet, and will go away once the other valve is closed. but hey, they don't have to KNOW THIS. let 'em hope. [07:58]
shinohai Nothing good is accomplished without hard work. :/ [08:00]
mircea_popescu btw shinohai : you can probably easiest enumerate trilema by going to etc. 12 months each year. [08:01]
mircea_popescu << yeah. [08:01]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 02:54:13; asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each [08:02]
mircea_popescu !rated asciilifeform [08:02]
assbot You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing.. [08:02]
shinohai will do mircea_popescu. It appears your weekend warriors bought the extended package, however. [08:02]
mircea_popescu !rate asciilifeform 5 Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm. [08:02]
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mircea_popescu ah ? was up an hour ago or w/e last i looked. [08:02]
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mircea_popescu fwiw. [08:04]
assbot View image: bw trilema today ... ( ) [08:04]
shinohai Looks like it was up minutes before I started making cofee, fml [08:05]
shinohai Not like if I archived trilema, they eventually wouldn't attack that too .... but such is life. [08:07]
mircea_popescu << because not old enough to know, in principle, that milk comes from cow not supermarket. so his recipe is "go to supermarket acquire square whiote box" not "acquire milk" [08:08]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:00:35; asciilifeform: why did he not say 'buy modem' [08:08]
mircea_popescu shinohai mebbe you misunderstand something here, but how exactly would "they" attack your own, private copy of trilema ? [08:10]
mircea_popescu or was your idea of "a copy for personal use" somehow morphed into "i'm just going to steal this dude's site and put it online" ? [08:10]
mircea_popescu fair use is an actual term of art. [08:10]
shinohai No, not "steal" trilema. Not at all. [08:11]
shinohai I meant if anyone found out where I hosted it at. [08:11]
mircea_popescu ... [08:11]
mircea_popescu what do you mean hosted ? [08:11]
shinohai I have webspace that isn't being used at all, other than my contact info page. [08:12]
mircea_popescu but you don't have a license to republish trilema. [08:12]
mircea_popescu you have a license to save the pages on your own hard drive, not to publish them on your own web server. [08:13]
shinohai I wanted to talk to you about that actually, thought I mentioned it previously. [08:13]
shinohai Same way I know I can't just curl The New York Times and serve it up on my page. [08:14]
mircea_popescu aha [08:14]
mircea_popescu but that aside, set your curl or w/e to pull pages an' save them, that way you can always read 'em [08:15]
mircea_popescu making derpy ddos like this really meaningless. [08:15]
shinohai Indeed. [08:16]
mircea_popescu (sane browsers would do this automatically anyway. lynx does, for instance, which is perhaps why sane people, ie most trilema readership, don't care so much) [08:16]
shinohai If there was a print version of trilema and qntra, I'd swear I'd subscribe. [08:16]
mircea_popescu why waste the paper tho ? [08:16]
shinohai Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. [08:17]
mircea_popescu i'd rather have the trees. [08:17]
shinohai Me too, so I do advocate recycling newsprint. [08:17]
mircea_popescu you can just subscribe to trilema as-is. [08:18]
mircea_popescu i dunno about subscription model for qntra, and prolly too soon anyway. [08:18]
shinohai I emailed you about subscription a few weeks back. I determined my browser is just an asshole [08:19]
mircea_popescu oh you were never getting emails or something ? [08:20]
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shinohai Yes, never got the purchase credits email. [08:20]
shinohai I got your personal email that you sent, but you said you had a bug to fix on trilema iirc [08:21]
mircea_popescu !s from:mircea shinohai [08:21]
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mircea_popescu nuts. [08:22]
mircea_popescu well, someone somewhere must be shredding your emails en route. [08:22]
shinohai T_T [08:23]
mircea_popescu << yes it's basically an artefact of parallel construction. has absolutely nothing to do with reality, just a legal fiction. [08:25]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:12:30; asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher' [08:25]
mircea_popescu much like obama. [08:25]
shinohai Well the Boy Scouts of America has lifted the ban on gay leaders, so maybe Obama has career options after his term. [08:26]
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shinohai !s Dmail [08:31]
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assbot Dmail promises self-destructing Gmail messages | Naked Security ... ( ) [08:31]
BingoBoingo Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. << Lately I've been liking w3m [08:37]
shinohai I like w3m a lot [08:37]
mircea_popescu pretty sure w3m also saves your pages if you tell it to. [08:37]
shinohai A lot of features I need to get up to speed on but it's nice. [08:38]
BingoBoingo w3m is also a nice web browser for shoving into other places like emacs [08:42]
mircea_popescu << well they've meanwhile started stealing people's shit. so they'd just take the van. [08:53]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:52:09; phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now. [08:53]
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mircea_popescu << reason being "can't be arsed". generally this sort of thing is kept as a reserve measure. just like i go "unless you straighten up missy there's that inch thick stick over there by the wall", putin goes "if you block rt i'ma drop pirate radios all over the us" [08:54]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 03:53:39; asciilifeform: no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour. [08:54]
mircea_popescu very few all-out wars happen in nature. watch the nature channel for the lowdown of this, ever wondered "so why doesn't this dumb buck just gore the other one ???" [08:55]
mircea_popescu << this fails to make any sense. how's "freedom of thought" morphed into "Freedom to broadcast" ? thoughts are silent. blessfully. [08:57]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:01; coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies [08:57]
mircea_popescu nor is there, nor was there ever, nor will there exist for as long as fucking life on earth a "right to speak". freedom to speak, yes, but this is very fucking different. [08:57]
mircea_popescu the controlling issue being, that no one may ~prevent~ you from speaking, provided a silence for your speech was made by the people. but there god damned shan't nor should be a mechanism to MAKE that silence so you may speak. [08:58]
mircea_popescu chiefly because fuck you. [08:58]
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mircea_popescu << all. [09:00]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:32; phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later [09:00]
mircea_popescu << i'd like to hear you justify your crazy notion that monopoly somehow takes justification. [09:01]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:50; decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum? [09:01]
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mircea_popescu a monopoly is a monopoly. it is not better somehow magically for "being justified". it takes no justification whatever past the very simple test of its existence. [09:01]
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jurov if you don't limit yourself to the one most overcrowded frequency band, then there are plenty of options [09:24]
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jurov there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience [09:25]
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mircea_popescu << the erect penis is the only thign in short supply. everyone wants it, men and women alike. for this particular schmuck, the irresistible deal is that he gets to act as if he has oine, and he doesn't even need to have it! [09:38]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:08:48; asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex [09:38]
mircea_popescu which is why iut's worth more than the simple 20 dollar half and half [09:38]
mircea_popescu exactly the case of that schmuck who wanted random ho to NOT BE SEEN with the black dudes she fucks. [09:39]
mircea_popescu the fact that he couldn't get it up aptly reflected in the fact that nobody ended up with a mouthfull of ballsac for derping about how "he's racist" etc. [09:39]
mircea_popescu << most people never will have, nor should ever have, that much dispoisable income, ever. [09:40]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:12:17; coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months [09:40]
mircea_popescu so this problem should be fixed at the top, and coincidentally it's getting so fixed. [09:41]
mircea_popescu << mno. actually... because YOU COULDN'T (drink em). same penis argument as above. [09:42]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:16:21; phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could [09:42]
mircea_popescu << but this is why he was funny : a fool representative of the current generation. if he were dressed in the fool of the 1700s we'd think he's pagliacci and mistake it all for high culture. [09:43]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 04:18:59; asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do. [09:43]
mircea_popescu "Mister buff deserves no mercy. As you torture this guy remind yourself constantly that your woman would like to fuck him! Beat his pretty ass bro!" [09:53]
mircea_popescu lol lafond has soem issues. [09:53]
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decimation re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency' [11:17]
decimation and jurov is right, there are plenty of fairly successful shortwave pirates, apparently because nobody gives a fuck [11:18]
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mats [12:45]
assbot Pentagon Plans More Support for Ukraine as Buffer Zone Mooted ... ( ) [12:45]
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jurov ;;ticker [13:02]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.52, Best ask: 296.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.63000, Last trade: 295.52, 24 hour volume: 26563.57329353, 24 hour low: 288.53, 24 hour high: 298.93, 24 hour vwap: None [13:02]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [13:22]
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ascii_field << l0ltr0n1c [13:22]
assbot [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet ... ( ) [13:22]
ascii_field << l00k ma, no glibc [13:28]
assbot ... ( ) [13:28]
ascii_field the binary is a full MB smaller than glibc stator, too [13:29]
ascii_field (surprised no one noticed last night) [13:29]
ascii_field << for some, toy, for others - yoke [13:31]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 09:47:42; kakobrekla: < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy? [13:31]
ascii_field << what do these folks eat? sunlight ? [13:31]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 10:35:43; mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid. [13:31]
ascii_field << l0l! [13:32]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 10:59:43; mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d [13:32]
ascii_field (did anybody actually get 'rotor' running, or mircea_popescu et al are only clapping in anticipation ?) [13:33]
ascii_field << one can get something other than a small bottle of water for 5 eur ? [13:34]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 12:22:21; jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience [13:34]
shinohai I haven't yet ascii_field, I am still doing the required reading. ( musl doesn't work for me) [13:34]
ascii_field shinohai: os/arch ? [13:34]
ascii_field and what means 'doesn't work' [13:34]
shinohai OS Debian 8. Built a binary just fine but it doesn't run. :/ [13:35]
ascii_field what does it do instead ? [13:35]
shinohai lemme find error log. [13:35]
jurov ascii_field: what do you mean? i'm having full meal with soda for 5e [13:35]
ascii_field with soda & shortwave radio ? [13:35]
shinohai [13:36]
assbot debian Pastezone ... ( ) [13:36]
jurov ? [13:36]
ascii_field shinohai: see step 17 [13:36]
ascii_field in instructions [13:37]
ascii_field then come back and say [13:37]
shinohai Starts then crashes, lemme restart real quick. [13:38]
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jurov ascii_field this one [13:40]
assbot Tesco World Radio. RAD-108 - YouTube ... ( ) [13:40]
ascii_field jurov: notbad [13:40]
shinohai Ok ascii_field that works fine, thx. Next step for me is to attempt an arm build. [13:42]
ascii_field shinohai: very easy [13:42]
shinohai Easy for the expert to say xD [13:43]
ascii_field shinohai: << use as basic guide [13:43]
assbot [BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( ) [13:43]
shinohai This I am supposed to do on the pogo itself? [13:44]
ascii_field nono [13:44]
ascii_field don't bother ever trying to build anything ~on~ pogo [13:44]
shinohai I found out that building on the pogo i an exercise in futility. [13:45]
shinohai *is [13:45]
ascii_field so shinohai is a winner! first fella to repeat 'rotor' ? [13:45]
shinohai yay! [13:46]
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shinohai If you leave enough monkeys in a room full of typewriters, they shall reproduce the works of Shakespeare [13:46]
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shinohai I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. [13:47]
jurov only if you allow both the monkeys and the typewriters to procreate [13:48]
mod6 <+shinohai> I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. << i hit the same problem as trinque [13:48]
shinohai What issue did trinque have? [13:48]
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trinque << utter. bullshit. [14:12]
assbot Tech: NSA to purge phone records cache; Planned Parenthood site under attack - The Washington Post ... ( ) [14:12]
trinque the first; I don't give a shit about the second. [14:12]
ascii_field << i distinctly remember seeing that photo before - in a mircea_popescu link ?? [14:15]
assbot The Uber-ization of porn - The Washington Post ... ( ) [14:15]
shinohai <<< But they PINKY SWEAR! [14:23]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 17:09:19; trinque: << utter. bullshit. [14:23]
trinque just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk" [14:26]
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trinque the device diddling is probably comprehensive by now; who needs to collect data at the ISP level? [14:27]
trinque or rather, who needs to collect data from anywhere other than the devices around a target [14:27]
trinque this is just progress! [14:27]
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ascii_field trinque: [14:28]
assbot Logged on 17-07-2015 04:10:23; asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing [14:28]
trinque ascii_field: they damned well do have the "keys" to android, iOS, so on [14:29]
scoopbot_revived The tragedy of the US legal system isn't that it fails to deter terrorism, but that it actively CREATES terrorism. [14:29]
trinque nobody needs to collect data from AT&T [14:29]
ascii_field trinque: mass trawling is not only cheaper but less 'glass cannon' than snarfing from individual device [14:30]
ascii_field (in the latter, there is always a chance that victim - notices) [14:30]
ascii_field ... or even that victim is an annoying bugger who keeps honeypots [14:31]
trinque in the case of cell phones my assumption is that they can read memory from the baseband [14:31]
trinque what's to detect other than baseband firmware that was already there? [14:32]
ascii_field if the point is to switch on the microphone, camera - victim might notice [14:32]
ascii_field (if he is in the habit of sniffing packets, or examining the eeprom) [14:33]
ascii_field (why the latter? modern 'bugging' is typically of the 'store and forward' school of thought) [14:33]
trinque makes sense, intermittent bursts of packets vs a constant stream [14:34]
trinque ah fuck, now I remember. [14:45]
trinque [14:45]
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trinque ascii_field: the phone companies themselves are now the "bulk collectors" [14:45]
ascii_field were, always [14:45]
trinque yep [14:46]
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trinque jurov: I can't change settings on the ml, yet I have cookies enabled [15:20]
trinque specifically I'm set not to receive messages. is this because my mail was bouncing before? [15:20]
trinque I re-enabled non-tls connections on my own mailserver; pls halp? [15:20]
jurov what host do you use? several domains are aliased there, "" whould work [15:21]
trinque that's the one I'm on [15:22]
trinque redirects to the screen to enter your password when I save settings [15:23]
trinque jurov: if it's easier, I just want delivery on, digest off, mime on [15:24]
jurov trinque i tested it, it does set the options but does not do any feedback [15:42]
trinque jurov: for you are the newly set options displayed on the next pageload? [15:43]
trinque when I reload the page, still says disabled [15:43]
* trinque tries firefox [15:43]
jurov when i submit it shows back the log in page [15:44]
jurov after relogin it shows changed options [15:44]
trinque yeah, mine aren't changing [15:44]
trinque in either firefox or chrome [15:44]
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ben_vulpes << we haven't done much investment philosophy since tat and the samovar readings... [15:48]
assbot A Dozen Things I’ve Learned from Paul Tudor Jones About Investing and Trading | 25iq ... ( ) [15:48]
ben_vulpes in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”" [15:48]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski dat perel [15:52]
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jurov trinque try waiting 10 minutes and login again to see the options. according to http headers, the options page gets cached, gotta fix it :( [15:52]
trinque ah ok [15:52]
trinque jurov: "Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to excessive bounces. The last bounce was received on 30-Jun-2015." [15:54]
trinque perhaps an admin must re-enable? [15:54]
shinohai I hate cross compilation. [15:55]
trinque buildroot woes? [15:55]
trinque jurov: according to quick googling, an admin will have to remove me from a blocklist in the "membership management" page [15:57]
trinque sorry, my fault. [15:57]
shinohai Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner. [15:57]
shinohai Back to Gentoo. [15:58]
trinque crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet. [15:58]
shinohai I was trying to do a stator pogo build on Debian. [15:58]
trinque I see the wisdom of buildroot though, really limits the number of variables [15:59]
shinohai I'm sure it is a good thing for someone with far more experience with this sort of thing than I. :/ [16:00]
trinque imagine your luck, bumping into another world of things to learn. [16:05]
trinque ben_vulpes: your method of writing bash such that it can be sourced for functions is top notch. [16:06]
trinque aka, yoink. [16:06]
ben_vulpes 'tis the only way to work with this pile of crud. [16:07]
ben_vulpes i've no patience for commenting out chunks of build scripts to determine why for example boost has failed to compile [16:07]
ben_vulpes what i am going to do is type `compile_boost' at the cli, and it is going to behave the way i want it to. [16:07]
ben_vulpes how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind. [16:08]
punkman [16:08]
assbot Stop pushing the web forward - QuirksBlog ... ( ) [16:08]
trinque ben_vulpes: nick at am was the bash wizard, impressed upon me the power of the pipe [16:11]
ben_vulpes pipe did no wrong [16:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00053525 = 17.9844 BTC [-] [16:11]
shinohai well trinque I love a challenge, sometimes a step back and moar research is required for me though. [16:13]
trinque certainly [16:13]
jurov trinque you're set now to receive email [16:13]
trinque jurov: thank you sir [16:13]
jurov and configuration is now set to no-cache too [16:13]
jurov my aws setup was so far most ddos resistant.. but it's pita to set up [16:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00053517 = 13.5146 BTC [-] [16:38]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:47]
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ascii_field << stator and rotor are kludges until the buildroot packages (as alluded to last night) are done. [16:47]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 19:04:57; ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind. [16:47]
ascii_field << thing is, as i currently understand, buildroot is the ~only~ way to build musl bitcoin [16:48]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:53; trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet. [16:48]
ascii_field can't use glibc toolchain to build binaries with musl [16:48]
ascii_field so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable. [16:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00053517 = 30.6652 BTC [-] [16:52]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes right ! perel's probably the most interesting author i've come across this year. [17:06]
pete_dushenski she might also be the only chick on my 'mega-recommended book list' [17:06]
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pete_dushenski will durant's wife, ariel, is also on the list. so i guess esther isn't alone after all. [17:08]
pete_dushenski so much for that theory [17:08]
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mats << on 'SS7', used by telecoms netops for unauthenticated comms [17:19]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: what's the difference between musl and glibc? [17:20]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: [17:20]
assbot Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( ) [17:20]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: but, more pertinently - less shitgnomery [17:20]
ascii_field !s drepper [17:21]
assbot 17 results for 'drepper' : [17:21]
ascii_field ^ his absence - is enough for me [17:21]
mats << related to 'SS7' [17:21]
assbot Karsten Nohl: Mobile self-defense [31c3] (SnoopSnitch) - YouTube ... ( ) [17:21]
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pete_dushenski << can't say i saw this coming. [17:24]
assbot Cardinals add likely first-ever female coach to a NFL team's staff - ... ( ) [17:24]
pete_dushenski ^for BingoBoingo and other sportistes [17:24]
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pete_dushenski i guess if there's going to be a female coach in any pro sport, it'll be the one with the most coaches per team. [17:26]
pete_dushenski much harder to crack the seal in hockey or basketball [17:26]
pete_dushenski mebbe baseball wouldn't be so bad. [17:27]
* pete_dushenski mulls over a boobies in baseball bitbet prop. [17:27]
jurov heh buttcoiners love buttgold [17:28]
assbot rini17 comments on Gold bugs: The original buttcoiners ... ( ) [17:28]
pete_dushenski "Yer face divorced buttgold long ago." << i loled [17:29]
shinohai [17:30]
assbot I think I was robbed for 48 bitcoin! Blockchain log HACKED? ... ( ) [17:30]
mats searching logs is a pain in the ass nao [17:31]
trinque shinohai: beautiful how bitcoin forces hard definitions, such as for "own" and "understand" [17:33]
trinque guy thinks he understands bitcoin because he can use the UI of a qt program [17:34]
trinque gets his hand blown off, maybe, or at least has the fear put in him. [17:34]
shinohai Some ppl should not be allowed to use BTC [17:34]
trinque well, he'll learn on his own [17:34]
pete_dushenski << i told you guys borders were a flexible notion. see ? even the googs agreeth. [17:34]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:34]
shinohai I haven't used QT in like 2 years [17:34]
* ascii_field isn't sure he ever saw the gui client up close & alive [17:35]
shinohai I'd rather learn how thins actually work instead of getting bloated versions with useless "features" [17:36]
shinohai *things [17:36]
ascii_field anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit & get the real client. [17:36]
ben_vulpes how would he know we exist? [17:38]
ascii_field how did we learn that he exists [17:39]
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shinohai Educating oneself on how change addresses work couldnta hurt. [17:42]
pete_dushenski << for log readers into physical crypto coins, i (still!) have a few lealana silver ltc pieces for sale. i'm accepting offers. dun be shy. [17:43]
assbot [WTS] FUNDED Batch 1 (2013) Lealana Silver Litecoins ... ( ) [17:43]
shinohai O.o pete_dushenski You sell physical coins? [17:44]
pete_dushenski only these. [17:44]
pete_dushenski i'm no nubbins` [17:44]
ascii_field l0l, spiffy paperweight [17:45]
ascii_field why part with it ? [17:45]
shinohai I love silver, dunno why. I bought some stuff from bigtimespaghetti on there. [17:45]
ascii_field (inquiring minds want to know: is there a physical 'dogecoin' ? and, importantly, is it made from pressed dogue shit?!) [17:46]
pete_dushenski ascii_field these coins are likely worth more to someone else than it is to me. [17:46]
pete_dushenski physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box [17:47]
pete_dushenski shinohai wadja buy ? [17:47]
jurov pressing coins is high tech. they just leave chunks dry [17:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000549 = 20.862 BTC [+] [17:50]
shinohai @ pete_dushenski Bought some goxxed coins and a couple of Unobtanium bars [17:51]
shinohai Even tho I despise altcoins now. [17:51]
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pete_dushenski goxxed coins ? weren't those just paper promises sold by bagholders to suckers during gox's meltdown ? [17:52]
shinohai xD [17:52]
shinohai I think was his site. Been over a year ago. [17:52]
shinohai [17:54]
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pete_dushenski lol fucken eh does fat bastard ever look like he has down syndrome [17:56]
pete_dushenski that's some deep art right there. [17:56]
shinohai If nothing else, it is like all my USG silver. I can melt it into skulls one day. [17:57]
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mircea_popescu < all monopoly must be defended all the way, which means all the way to physical violence. [18:14]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 14:14:25; decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency' [18:14]
ascii_field mod6: << neato [18:14]
assbot [BTC-dev] v0.5.4-TEST1 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( ) [18:14]
mircea_popescu for which reason there exists an effectual challenge to monopoly, such as "organised resistance" via "sindicalism". [18:14]
mircea_popescu prooving to the monopolist he's nopt ready or not able to shoot as many as it takes === defeating the monopoly. [18:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24638 @ 0.00054708 = 13.479 BTC [-] [18:16]
mircea_popescu << you're the one not fucking them, explain to the public why not. sure as hell they'd "coachsurf" in your livingroom as well as any other as well as any other cockroach, if you allowed it, so why aren;t you ? [18:17]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 16:28:23; ascii_field: << what do these folks eat? sunlight ? [18:17]
mircea_popescu because sunlight eaters make for "poor company", is it ? so then. [18:18]
ascii_field wai wut [18:18]
* ascii_field must be thick; confused [18:18]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: when tuned (vs sparkgap!) radio first appeared, the extension of traditional land rules to the spectrum seemed like a logical thing. because 'trespassers' in radio were loud and stationary, and easily detected. but this does not have to be so! [18:19]
mircea_popescu aha. so ? [18:19]
ascii_field with sdr, law could be just as effective against 'radio pirate' as it is against rats and mice. [18:19]
mircea_popescu Finally, my question: All of my transactions into the Trezor showed up as confirmed as soon as they got confirmed, however the send transaction (through Coinbase at our donation web sites) took hours to show up as confirmed in the myTrezor wallet even though it had many, many confirmation on [18:20]
mircea_popescu It did not cause any issues, I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this weird delay. [18:20]
mircea_popescu BTW: Homeland Security was storing all the seized Bitcoins on a Trezor that they either purchased or seized from someone else! [18:20]
mircea_popescu herp. lol. [18:20]
mircea_popescu ascii_field iirc there is a deisgn for the practical use of this, awaiting its completers on trilema. so what of it ? [18:20]
ascii_field aha the parasite relay [18:20]
ascii_field just pointing out the connection to the 'radio monopoly' thread linked earlier. [18:21]
mircea_popescu yes. the one thing distributed barely detectable weak emitters is actually used for. [18:21]
ascii_field specifically, [18:21]
ascii_field noting that spectrum is not actually same as land. [18:21]
mircea_popescu ah, i thought you were saying you're confused somethiong [18:21]
mircea_popescu yes, spectrum is same as land. [18:21]
ascii_field confused re: the sunlight folks [18:21]
ascii_field unrelated. [18:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43814 @ 0.00054708 = 23.9698 BTC [-] [18:23]
ascii_field re: spectrum, it can be made to resemble land less and less (what is the land-trespass equivalent of spread-spectrum transmission ?) [18:25]
mircea_popescu dude every wp link seems dumber than the previous. can't discern if it's because i'm getting smarter or they're "hiring" worse and worse congenital retards, but anyway. ima stop clicking [18:25]
mircea_popescu ascii_field women can be made to resemble women less and less and less, doesn't mean sarah silverman is now some sort of "transcendent post-gender bla bla" categorically different thing. [18:26]
ascii_field point was, 'property right' is only as interesting as the ability to enforce it [18:27]
mircea_popescu for sure. [18:27]
ascii_field (otherwise we have disney pulling own cock) [18:28]
mircea_popescu if you recal my out of hand rejection of property as an analytical tool in a previous discussion about what htings ARE, you won't be surprised it applies here. [18:28]
mircea_popescu propety is a convention not a quality. [18:28]
ascii_field aha [18:28]
ascii_field !s what colour are your bits [18:28]
assbot 2 results for 'what colour are your bits' : [18:28]
mircea_popescu (for ref, ) [18:29]
assbot Logged on 22-07-2015 15:32:26; mircea_popescu: a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ? [18:29]
mircea_popescu in other lulz, [18:33]
assbot Sick Jew Sarah Silverman Hosts ‘Night of a Thousand Vaginas!’ To Fund Abortion | Daily Stormer ... ( ) [18:33]
mircea_popescu i had nfi idea bad postcards from the 1920s "deeply offend jews". how did they make it through the early 1900s if this is the case is anyone's guess. [18:34]
trinque "A chaste, responsible White mother with her children. Scenes like this deeply offend the Jews???" [18:34]
trinque bahahaha [18:34]
mircea_popescu o wait - they didn't! clearly. which is why holocaust was a lie tututuuu! [18:34]
mircea_popescu [18:34]
trinque that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women [18:36]
mircea_popescu << aham. [18:36]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 17:23:05; trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk" [18:36]
mircea_popescu trinque she'd be ok, except she has this by now very pointedly obvious sex fright issue which kind-of ruins her entire shtick by enveloping it in a very strong stale loser odor. [18:37]
mircea_popescu but hey, maybe she runs into princess donna one day, does one of those public humiliation things and comes to humanity. [18:37]
trinque yeah, her comedy isn't great; says "vagina" and tries to play cute [18:38]
mircea_popescu it's cute the first 300 times. after which it starts to occur that "why am i hanging in a room where a 40 yo woman that STILL has dumb virgin perisexual issues derps on ?" [18:39]
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mircea_popescu << this is about at the level of "i am looking for a HB8.5 for my wife." [18:42]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 18:45:34; ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”" [18:42]
mircea_popescu << aaaaaand failure mode. [18:43]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:32; shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner. [18:43]
mircea_popescu this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us. [18:43]
shinohai I'm not giving up. Just need a breather then perhaps it will clarify itself for me. [18:45]
shinohai My first stator build failed at least 6 times. [18:46]
mircea_popescu sure. problem still exists irrespective of how you handle it. [18:46]
mircea_popescu "The innovation machine is running at full speed in the wrong direction." << heh. yes, keep copies of your old browsers, for the new ones will be less and less useful. [18:46]
mats deedbot-: [18:51]
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trinque mats: it's probably that character [18:51]
mats ¶¶ << ? [18:52]
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mats fucking unicode... [18:52]
trinque I continue to discover new character sets which cause some or another component to barf [18:52]
mats deedbot-: [18:52]
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mats oops [18:53]
mats deedbot-: [18:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00054996 = 3.1073 BTC [+] [18:54]
ascii_field << >> [18:54]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 21:40:30; mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us. [18:54]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 19:46:35; ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable. [18:54]
trinque ah, oop in common lisp just arrived [18:55]
trinque yay [18:55]
ascii_field keene ? [18:55]
trinque yessir [18:55]
mats deedbot-: [18:55]
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mats fucking unicode [18:56]
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mats any guesses on what character its moaning about this time trinque? [18:58]
ascii_field trinque et al: [18:59]
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trinque mats: there's a "section" sign in the footnotes [19:00]
mats deedbot-: [19:00]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [19:00]
assbot ... ( ) [19:00]
trinque and that one's not signed [19:00]
mats deedbot-: [19:01]
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mats yeah, oops [19:01]
trinque I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature [19:01]
trinque so oops on my part as well [19:01]
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mats ;;tslb [19:07]
gribble Time since last block: 4 minutes and 10 seconds [19:07]
mats ;;isup [19:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3143 @ 0.00111 = 3.4887 BTC [19:30]
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davout <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite [20:05]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 21:58:15; trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature [20:05]
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assbot Brent Falls to Lowest Price Since January - WSJ ... ( ) [20:16]
BingoBoingo Lol again [20:16]
assbot DHI Group Inc. Announces Plans to Sell Slashdot Media - Slashdot ... ( ) [20:16]
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shinohai nobody wants slashdot lel [20:18]
BingoBoingo Seriously [20:25]
BingoBoingo Prolly will still sell for more than Digg [20:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform true enuf. [21:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo funny, was just lolled at here. [21:05]
mircea_popescu << "reject our assumptions AND YOU REJECT REALITY FOOL!111" [21:07]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 20:24:43; jurov: heh buttcoiners love buttgold [21:07]
mircea_popescu "wow ok. Sounds like nobody thought it would get this big. [21:09]
mircea_popescu They need to make the next version use a better database system that is not linearly. [21:09]
mircea_popescu Simple fix then to a very big problem." [21:09]
mircea_popescu gotta love tardstalk. almost as good as washington post, in that it's not merely written by retards, [21:09]
mircea_popescu but by esl retards. [21:09]
mircea_popescu << thankfully. [21:09]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 20:33:13; ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit & get the real client. [21:09]
mircea_popescu the "some people should not use" observation is apt. [21:10]
mircea_popescu << this reminds me of christina applegate wanting to buy a car, being quoted in "k"s and raiding the cornflakes boxes for them [21:11]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 20:43:47; pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box [21:11]
mircea_popescu in other news : bitches be the hardest on bitches. [21:13]
assbot Hardhands World of Spanking ... ( ) [21:13]
shinohai Wonderful, it even has an rss feed. [21:13]
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nubbins` muscle memory is a weird thing [21:14]
nubbins` i coulda SWORN i just typed in my pgp passphrase completely and utterly wrong [21:15]
nubbins` fingers mashing everywhere [21:15]
nubbins` somehow: 100+ chars, no mistakes [21:15]
nubbins` mircea_popescu asciilifeform "physical doge" was totally a thing. iirc copper rounds? [21:15]
nubbins` [21:15]
assbot Shibe Mint ... ( ) [21:15]
nubbins` dogecoin belongs in a "classic hype machines of the information age" textbook [21:16]
asciilifeform << 7bit, but not only this, you also get mutilation (escaped dashes) [21:17]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 23:02:11; davout: <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite [21:17]
nubbins` for a while i was paid to develop bespoke widgets for "microsoft sharepoint", a CMS/DMS that is the biggest piece of shit you'll never see [21:19]
nubbins` no kidding, every now and then some internal piece of code would return an array of strings as a single, very large string, with entries separated by the escape string "#;" [21:19]
nubbins` move over CSV, P/SCSV is the new kid in town [21:20]
asciilifeform pr0gr355!!111 [21:21]
nubbins` they also reappropriated all these general words like "Site" and "Web" and gave them specific definitions [21:22]
asciilifeform embrace, extend, extinguish (tm) (r) (microshit) [21:22]
nubbins` and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site [21:22]
nubbins` but of course they didn't update the API [21:22]
nubbins` so: [21:22]
nubbins` Web mySite = new Web(); would create a Site object [21:22]
nubbins` Site myWeb = new Site(); would create.... [21:23]
* nubbins` facepalms thrice, runs out of hands, uses desk [21:23]
phf a good common lisp book to have in addition to keene's clos book is AMOP [21:23]
assbot The Art of the Metaobject Protocol: Gregor Kiczales, Jim des Rivieres, Daniel G. Bobrow: 9780262610742: Books ... ( ) [21:23]
nubbins` anyway i gotta fuck off talking about that [21:24]
nubbins` having a bad tech day and reminiscing about nightmares past isn't helping [21:24]
asciilifeform phf et al: [21:25]
asciilifeform (to go with ) [21:25]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2015 21:56:15; ascii_field: trinque et al: [21:25]
asciilifeform nubbins`: actually [21:26]
asciilifeform nubbins`: this is probably a good time to mention a historical thesis i've chewed on in my head, on and off, for a decade or so [21:26]
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phf hehe, maybe you also have PAIP in djvu? [21:26]
asciilifeform phf: yes [21:27]
asciilifeform phf: gotta dig it out [21:27]
asciilifeform nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing [21:27]
asciilifeform specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud [21:27]
asciilifeform (and crown thug force, and usg monopoly concessions) [21:28]
asciilifeform if you read the primary 'current warz' crap from 1880s-90s, it is hauntingly similar to microshit in 1990s-2000s [21:28]
nubbins` smooth talkers win more often than not [21:30]
asciilifeform it wasn't just any 'smooth talk' [21:30]
asciilifeform it was a very specific thing [21:30]
nubbins` i find people don't want X so much as they want the experience of choosing/buying/being sold X [21:30]
asciilifeform not how winblowz gets on lusers' desks. [21:31]
asciilifeform perhaps in 1980s - yes [21:31]
nubbins` nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things [21:31]
nubbins` once the foot's in the door, sure, act changes [21:31]
BingoBoingo [21:31]
assbot Ashley All Day - Don't Play - YouTube ... ( ) [21:31]
nubbins` nowadays they're riding the wave [21:31]
asciilifeform it becomes 'institution' [21:31]
asciilifeform and 'how it always was' [21:31]
nubbins` and we're all using AC [21:31]
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nubbins` and windows uh, what is it now? 10? [21:32]
* nubbins` can't keep track [21:32]
asciilifeform nubbins`: iirc new york city's remaining dc grid was only shut down a year or two ago ! [21:32]
nubbins` ! [21:32]
asciilifeform (there were lifts, etc. still on it) [21:32]
nubbins` i vaguely recall this [21:32]
nubbins` or was it the pneumatic water-based lift thing [21:32]
nubbins` memory fails me. [21:33]
asciilifeform << they still have [21:33]
assbot San Francisco’s Secret DC Grid - IEEE Spectrum ... ( ) [21:33]
asciilifeform or did in '12 [21:33]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell shinohai played with Dillo today. Seems to be promising "graphical" www browser [21:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:34]
asciilifeform [21:35]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [21:35]
nubbins` Bleyle admits that repairs can be pricey, especially hand-rewinding a DC motor, which can run between US $30 000 and $40 000. But he says even a refurbished motor looks cheap compared with the $500 000 cost of replacing the elevator, not to mention the months of involuntary stair climbing during the upgrade. [21:35]
nubbins` “Usually people just go for the motor,” says Bleyle. [21:35]
nubbins` i like this guy [21:35]
nubbins` at some point in my life, i'd like to require the rewinding of a motor [21:36]
nubbins` fairly unlikely at this point tho. [21:36]
shinohai Looks pretty interesting BingoBoingo, bookmarked. [21:38]
asciilifeform at any rate, if you go and read edison's writings, you get a very similar flavour of 'idiot savant / malicious imbecile' as from bill gates [21:39]
BingoBoingo shinohai: Seems to address the much neglected niche of graphical www without any scripting. Apparently default browser on 'raspian' [21:39]
asciilifeform ditto steve jobs [21:39]
nubbins` jobs is marginally interesting for having fessed up to LSD usage, but as i understand it was generally a piece of shit otherwise [21:39]
shinohai I have never owned a RasPI ... I can usually scrounge up a shitty laptop or something and load Debian on it xD [21:40]
asciilifeform shinohai: it has the distinction of being the singularly worst-performing and most closed-source-chipsety machine for the money [21:41]
nubbins` [21:41]
asciilifeform (usb and nic share a bus!) [21:41]
assbot ... ( ) [21:41]
asciilifeform nubbins`: ?! [21:41]
shinohai Heh. I have only "owned" 1 apple product ever, an ipad and that lasted a week before I gave it away in disgust. [21:42]
BingoBoingo shinohai: You should really try a B&W Mac [21:43]
shinohai Laptop I have now came with Win 8, which I never even booted in to. [21:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: other than as word processor, what can you use that thing for ? [21:44]
shinohai Playing "Oregon Trail" ? [21:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Time travel [21:44]
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BingoBoingo nostalgia, archaeology [21:44]
asciilifeform well yes [21:44]
phf ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons [21:44]
nubbins` heh [21:45]
* nubbins` shrugs [21:45]
* shinohai may die of dysentery if he gets one. [21:45]
nubbins` for a time, i developed "app store" apps as a hobby [21:45]
asciilifeform but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian [21:45]
asciilifeform (unless he fesses up to being archaeologist) [21:45]
nubbins` ended up with an iphone, ipad, macbook... [21:45]
shinohai I had a musician friend in Berlin that loved Macbooks for music. Specialized use tho. [21:46]
nubbins` ipad sorta sucks now because it can't run the latest iOS and essentially zero new apps target the old versions [21:46]
nubbins` so it's essentially frozen in time [21:46]
nubbins` macbook, still going strong. typing on it now while InDesign pumps out dead tree sheets [21:46]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i can even see how this was sorta justified by crapple (has 1 core, no gpu!) [21:46]
BingoBoingo ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons << Bought one used with defunct vertical line on screen. Played with then closeted, then recycled. Prolly should have kept it. [21:47]
asciilifeform nubbins`: but what was their excuse for freezing support for 2009 macbooks ?! [21:47]
asciilifeform the ones sold today are the same fucking x86_64 as the 2007 and on [21:47]
asciilifeform so what gives [21:47]
shinohai It's like buying a Ferrari with the hood welded shut. [21:47]
BingoBoingo but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian << I recommend this one because hypercard. As a dare, for the ones that get it realize not all "advances" are such. [21:48]
asciilifeform i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels [21:48]
asciilifeform but to each - his own [21:48]
nubbins` asciilifeform they froze support for 2009 macbooks?! [21:49]
shinohai How is Crapples iWatch thing going does anyone know? [21:49]
asciilifeform nubbins`: aha [21:49]
asciilifeform nubbins`: they sure did. [21:49]
* nubbins` has late-2008, is running second-latest OS [21:49]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: got an a1237 in the fleet - won't ever upgrade. [21:50]
BingoBoingo i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels << I usually do the presentation with a "clean desk" to heighten to realization that this machine was small enought to allow civilized other work at desk, as happened in age when computer was office accessory. [21:50]
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phf BingoBoingo: i use that ibook for mac os 9 now, with kaleidoscope, hypercard, mcl (macintosh common lisp). i boot it up from time to time and it feels like the cyberpunk future that never was [21:50]
asciilifeform mcl was glorious [21:50]
BingoBoingo phf: I still kinda want a G3 or G4 iMac [21:51]
asciilifeform obligatory: & [21:51]
assbot Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( ) [21:51]
assbot Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( ) [21:51]
asciilifeform damn [21:51]
assbot Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( ) [21:51]
asciilifeform ah there. [21:51]
asciilifeform ^ for n00bz [21:51]
nubbins` ah, a1237 = "air"? [21:51]
asciilifeform aha [21:51]
nubbins` i thought you couldn't even turn those back on again once they powered down. [21:51]
nubbins` single-use, no? [21:51]
asciilifeform wat [21:51]
nubbins` XD [21:52]
asciilifeform perhaps next year's ! [21:52]
phf i like to show mcl to people who rave to me about some new feature in visual studio [21:52]
nubbins` we can only hope! [21:52]
nubbins` i had a colleague who used to carry around his macbook air in a manila envelope [21:52]
nubbins` like an asshole [21:52]
asciilifeform os 9 was the last actual apple os [21:52]
nubbins` cocoa API is more nextstep than anything else [21:53]
asciilifeform aha [21:54]
nubbins` srsly, NSInteger, NSString, etc [21:54]
asciilifeform << see also. [21:54]
assbot Logged on 09-12-2014 02:39:31; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow) [21:54]
nubbins` in the sense that starbucks is rich man's coffee. [21:55]
asciilifeform if you're a kid in calcutta watching a b&w tv, where americans drink it - then yes! [21:55]
asciilifeform the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS [21:56]
asciilifeform for no good rational reason. [21:56]
nubbins` people like starbucks for no good rational reason either [21:56]
asciilifeform possibly the fact that it was not made by microshit and did not have the familiar msdos ANYWHERE in it [21:56]
nubbins` "it's good" fuck you, no it's not. [21:56]
asciilifeform nubbins`: 'starbucks' is in same mental category as microshit, in my mind [21:56]
asciilifeform because there are virtually no other coffee shops, as such, where i live [21:57]
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nubbins` as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit [21:57]
asciilifeform it tastes like shit [21:57]
asciilifeform because they mandatorily overcook [21:57]
nubbins` that's because they roast all their fucking beans too dark. [21:57]
nubbins` |0| [21:57]
nubbins` starbucks roasts all beans to "second crack", which is the entry point to "dark roasts" [21:58]
nubbins` they claim this is so they're not selling you pesky water-containing beans but fully-dried coffee goodness [21:58]
* asciilifeform always suspected that 'starbucks' is dominant for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with food, or with consumers choosing x over y [21:58]
nubbins` but really it's so they can swap out bean X for bean Y in Holiday Blend and nobody notices. [21:58]
nubbins` starbucks is dominant because people want the experience of buying coffee more than they want coffee. [21:58]
asciilifeform i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ? [21:59]
asciilifeform is it some brain infection ? [21:59]
nubbins` why would anyone want the trappings of power instead of the real thing? [21:59]
nubbins` why would a rapper buy a ferrari instead of some GICs? [22:00]
asciilifeform the only reason i can picture is if they are convinced that the real thing cannot be had [22:00]
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nubbins` starbucks drinkers do not realize that the real thing exists [22:00]
nubbins` they think they're drinking it. [22:00]
asciilifeform but that anyone would ~choose~ the fuffle - is beyond my puny brain [22:00]
nubbins` ;;google trappings of power [22:01]
gribble The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Hate Her Because She's Successful: ; No Self-Respecting Woman Would Go Out Without Make Up: ; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?: [22:01]
nubbins` ^ [22:01]
asciilifeform yes, it [22:01]
BingoBoingo is it some brain infection ? << Yes, disease was 1950's USia. The appearance that came from the plenty of being only "civilized" area not torn to shit in the 1940's and agriculture's strain to provide real food. Marketing got really good at pushing "tv dinners" [22:01]
nubbins` we were thinking about selling P's house a few months ago. talked to a couple of realtors [22:01]
nubbins` first one was very businesslike: what's the house like, how big, how much you wanna sell it for [22:01]
nubbins` second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her [22:02]
nubbins` i'll do x, i'll do y, i won't do z, here's a tote bag [22:02]
asciilifeform l0l [22:02]
BingoBoingo Several decades of "marketing" and you've got generations starting life with the impression that powdered cheese belongs on noodles [22:02]
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nubbins` the experience-seller waited until the end of the convo to tell us that she'd be listing the house $30k below market value and if we didn't like that, find someone else [22:03]
mats this is p good [22:03]
assbot Halt and Catch Fire - Season 1 Reviews - Metacritic ... ( ) [22:03]
nubbins` mats i enjoyed it [22:03]
nubbins` asciilifeform ^ [22:03]
nubbins` mats it was a bit light on the actual tech stuff for my liking [22:03]
mats my motivation to learn RE has been flagging recently and this is just the ticket [22:03]
nubbins` but hey [22:04]
asciilifeform mats: if it's no secret, what was your motivation in the first place for it ? [22:04]
mats yeah I've heard that, I only just finished the pilot [22:04]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: even the impression that powdered cheese belongs is a bad one [22:04]
asciilifeform mats: i ask, because i've never (afaik) met anyone who ~decided consciously~ to study it [22:04]
mats asciilifeform: access. [22:04]
asciilifeform ? [22:04]
mats curiosity, access, and power. [22:05]
mats hence my narrow focus on exploitation. [22:06]
phf starbucks is kind of like mcdonalds, and the same reason microsoft won, guiranteed same mediocre experience, so if you're driving through north carolina and you need your caffeine fix, you don't have to engage any mental faculties, because there be dragons outside your comfort bubble. i've noticed that with a lot of my starbucks loving friends, for them it's kind of like "i know this, this is starbucks" [22:07]
asciilifeform mats: i have never personally known anyone who achieved great power or access to astonishing s33kr1tz through re. but i am willing to concede that somewhere, they exist. [22:07]
nubbins` phf same thing with Tim Horton's in canada [22:07]
nubbins` it's actual swill [22:07]
nubbins` people love it [22:07]
asciilifeform phf: this described mcd, yes. but starbucks also has a kind of pretentious-twit appeal (or once had) [22:07]
nubbins` it's a regular occurrence these past few years for Timmy's drive-thrus to have to be rebuilt to accomodate more traffic [22:08]
nubbins` because of drive-thru bozos spilling out of the parking lot and into the road [22:08]
asciilifeform but i dare say that at this point, it's a microshit: [22:08]
asciilifeform if i feel like coffee, i get to choose between shitbux and the office pot. [22:08]
ben_vulpes our coffee's just about the best one can buy in this town. [22:09]
phf i'm surprised there isn't some hip coffee shop with brooklyn roasted beans in silver spring.. [22:10]
nubbins` phf maybe there is! [22:10]
nubbins` maybe you could open one [22:10]
ben_vulpes who wants brooklyn roasted beans [22:10]
nubbins` people in brooklyn [22:10]
ben_vulpes they don't have the water necessary to make coffee you can taste [22:10]
asciilifeform there used to be a drinkable coffee in wash.,dc [22:10]
nubbins` real coffee shops filter their water [22:10]
asciilifeform but it recently starbuxized [22:10]
ben_vulpes how can you trust their roasting if you can't trust their tasting? [22:10]
asciilifeform (started mega-roasting or whatever it is they do) [22:10]
ben_vulpes nubbins`: shops, maybe. in some place, maybe. not here. [22:11]
mats asciilifeform: we'll see in a decade or two. this is my life's work. [22:11]
* nubbins` shrugs :D [22:11]
nubbins` phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination [22:11]
asciilifeform aha [22:11]
phf nubbins`: oh, that was re asciilifeform's comments. there's plenty of good coffee in philadelphia [22:11]
* asciilifeform thought this was well-known [22:11]
nubbins` asciilifeform actually not! [22:11]
ben_vulpes true for good chocolate as well. [22:11]
ben_vulpes my buddy goes through a TEU of raw cacao beans every year or so. [22:12]
nubbins` :o [22:12]
shinohai Hey there is always Kopi Luwak [22:12]
asciilifeform point being, the only coffee i or anyone i know can readily access in <10 min., is office pot or shitbux [22:12]
nubbins` shinohai Kopi Luwak is 100% for rubes [22:13]
asciilifeform because that's what's in every street corner. [22:13]
ben_vulpes you know me, alf! [22:13]
shinohai indeed [22:13]
nubbins` 0/10, would not buy [22:13]
asciilifeform know in meatspace [22:13]
ben_vulpes i have 2 top-notch joints within 5 minutes stroll. [22:13]
ben_vulpes you and your usaschwitz. [22:13]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes lives in some very other country [22:13]
asciilifeform which i've never been to [22:13]
nubbins` kopi luwak = let's take some weasels, cage them, force feed them shit-quality coffee [22:13]
asciilifeform and could no more move to than france or argentina [22:13]
nubbins` pick the intestinal worms out of the diarrhoea [22:13]
nubbins` and sell the beans for $150/lb [22:14]
asciilifeform nubbins`: when i learned about this coffee, as a boy, i immediately wondered why they use this animal and no other [22:14]
ben_vulpes eh, optimize performance for elemental [22:14]
nubbins` the animal naturally likes coffee cherries [22:14]
asciilifeform why not feed it to horses, cows [22:14]
nubbins` picks the choicest ones [22:14]
ben_vulpes pull in 120k, live on 80k. [22:14]
asciilifeform pigs [22:14]
asciilifeform they'll eat whatever [22:14]
shinohai I always feel like reddit started that trend or something [22:14]
nubbins` nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. [22:15]
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nubbins` i guess the intestinal juices / fermenting impart a flavour [22:15]
BingoBoingo nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. << I have the feeling a ruminant's multiple stomachs could defeat even a bean. [22:15]
nubbins` but i've never seen a serious coffee cupper give kopi luwak more than a 7/10 [22:15]
asciilifeform i bet pigs would work just as well [22:15]
asciilifeform esp. if bred for the task [22:15]
nubbins` jamaican blue mountain, same shit [22:16]
nubbins` people buying a name [22:16]
nubbins` too stupid to realize that coffee is produce [22:16]
nubbins` and just because a farm had a great crop one year [22:16]
nubbins` doesn't mean all coffee from that region is great [22:16]
nubbins` or even that next year's batch will be fit to drink [22:16]
BingoBoingo i bet pigs would work just as well << May need an obligate carnivore for musk from the anal glands. Perhaps physical Doge may have a use. [22:17]
nubbins` heh [22:17]
shinohai LOLZ [22:17]
ben_vulpes the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS << noises were gorgeous [22:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you need an animal which doesn't immediately croak from caffeine [22:17]
nubbins` ^ [22:17]
nubbins` most won't eat it [22:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Monsanto the Doge!!! [22:17]
nubbins` hell, most humans won't eat coffee [22:17]
nubbins` (was at friend's house one hung-over morning. his wife places chocolate chip pancakes on table in front of him. he starts chewing, massive crunching sounds. i raise eyebrow; "coffee beans", he says) [22:18]
BingoBoingo "Roundup Ready" can probably be introduced into Doge via certain primate CYP450A1 alleles [22:18]
asciilifeform let's package'n'sell ~his~ turds? [22:18]
nubbins` would not eat [22:18]
nubbins` asciilifeform this is the guy w/ the ramblings i occasionally post [22:19]
asciilifeform nubbins` wouldn't. civet degustatorz - yes [22:19]
nubbins` !s the buggers held full control [22:19]
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ben_vulpes it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak [22:19]
phf asciilifeform: are supplied by a dc roaster, without "blends" [22:20]
assbot Bump 'n Grind | Coffee. Music. Food. ... ( ) [22:20]
nubbins` blends are lame [22:20]
asciilifeform phf: neat. unfortunately i'm not in that town often [22:20]
nubbins` it's all about single-origin these days [22:20]
nubbins` turns out coffee has incredibly complex flavours [22:21]
ben_vulpes (single-estate if you can get it) [22:21]
nubbins` ^ [22:21]
ben_vulpes which, trivial. [22:21]
nubbins` i used to buy beans from [22:21]
nubbins` top quality [22:21]
ben_vulpes beans over the internet? [22:21]
ben_vulpes o.O [22:21]
asciilifeform see, i want something much more realistic - drink which is not ~deliberately~ shit-flavoured [22:21]
nubbins` green ones. [22:21]
nubbins` roast 'em at home. [22:21]
ben_vulpes ah. [22:21]
ben_vulpes aha. [22:21]
nubbins` ($12 hit-air popcorn popper is a very capable roaster) [22:21]
nubbins` *hot-air [22:22]
nubbins` low volume tho. 1/4cup at a time. [22:22]
ben_vulpes i have enough hobbies tyvm [22:22]
nubbins` later, i re-wired a breadmaking machine and heatgun combo into a roaster [22:22]
asciilifeform 'want a glass of beer? here's some sand, some lime, some hop seeds...' [22:22]
nubbins` heh [22:22]
nubbins` asciilifeform a roast takes ~6 minutes in a popper [22:22]
nubbins` if you like your beans dark [22:22]
BingoBoingo lol, not enough "GreeK" crises [22:23]
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nubbins` ^ a great place to start if you're curious [22:23]
nubbins` Yirga Cheffe is hands-down my favourite coffee origin [22:23]
phf asciilifeform: it was a reasonable guess :) [22:23]
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phf nubbins`: i always thought blends are like multigrain breads, a way to have a brand separate from the product, so you can easily substitute your sources [22:25]
asciilifeform aha, mcdonaldization [22:25]
nubbins` ah, yep. [22:25]
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nubbins` precisely so [22:25]
nubbins` this is done different ways in different places. [22:26]
nubbins` kenya, for example: all coffee is sold through government auction, where the beans are sorted not by quality, original, processing method, etc but by SIZE. [22:26]
nubbins` colombia: all coffee sold through government ("juan valdez"), always blended to produce well-rounded, nice, but uninteresting cups [22:27]
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nubbins` compare with most of central america, ethiopia, and others, where you can go to an actual farm and say "i want THESE beans" and receive said beans [22:27]
nubbins` (sweet maria's often makes deals direct with farmers, bypassing "fair trade" and the requisite fee structure while also giving farmers more of the money for themselves) [22:28]
nubbins` phun phact, you have to pay TransFair $0.10 for each coffee bag you print the "fair trade" logo on [22:29]
* asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans [22:29]
asciilifeform y'know, like everybody in, e.g., buenos aires, can [22:29]
nubbins` heh [22:30]
nubbins` and nobody in bogota can ;) [22:30]
asciilifeform i get it, it is possible to 'gentooize' just about anything [22:30]
phf oh i was wondering why i never see kenyan beans from roasters. ethiopia, rwanda [22:30]
asciilifeform even coffee [22:30]
nubbins` asciilifeform there are plenty of small-batch gourmet roasters that sell online [22:30]
nubbins` "coffee subscriptions" are a thing, even. [22:30]
asciilifeform yes [22:30]
asciilifeform this is gentooization [22:30]
nubbins` :D [22:30]
asciilifeform it means work [22:30]
nubbins` [22:32]
assbot Fresh Off the Roast | Current Coffee Inventory ... ( ) [22:32]
nubbins` right in DC [22:32]
asciilifeform nubbins`: but ~not~ <10min from my middle-of-nowhere $office [22:32]
nubbins` nope! [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00053846 = 17.2307 BTC [-] {2} [22:32]
asciilifeform hence same as if importing by post from ethiopia or whatever. [22:32]
nubbins` you'd actually have to -- gasp -- go buy the beans [22:32]
asciilifeform ergo - gentoo. [22:33]
phf gentooization is the norm of usg living [22:33]
nubbins` or do you only eat bread from sandwich shops? [22:33]
asciilifeform bread from market [22:33]
asciilifeform there is a coffee man there, also. but he sells starbuxified crapbeans [22:33]
nubbins` ehh. [22:33]
nubbins` if your complaint is that the thing you want is not literally within 10 minutes of your home [22:34]
nubbins` i'm not sure why i'm trying to help you find a solution [22:34]
asciilifeform it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires [22:34]
asciilifeform didn't say there was a solution, l0l [22:34]
nubbins` and i've got a two-minute walk. [22:34]
nubbins` maybe you need to move to a new city ;p [22:34]
asciilifeform yes, i can gentooize it and get real coffee [22:34]
asciilifeform but what i actually want is to live in the civilized world. [22:34]
nubbins` where specialty coffee is not delivered to your door twice monthly, but within walking distance [22:35]
asciilifeform y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to [22:35]
nubbins` hey, if you're in the other washington, china is to the west [22:35]
nubbins` why in the fuck is the yellow print head printing black ink? [22:35]
* nubbins` rages [22:36]
nubbins` good thing i've gotten 0 accomplished since 2pm [22:36]
phf гудбай америка о, страна где я не буду никогда [22:38]
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asciilifeform ^^^ [22:40]
nubbins` printed some cool SHARKS today, tho [22:42]
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BingoBoingo y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to << I'd hate to see the alternate history where your parents moved you to ben_vulpes's west [22:43]
nubbins` [22:45]
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nubbins` had hoped to get the other 2 colours down today, but.. [22:45]
nubbins` yesterday's work: [22:47]
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nubbins` ok, actually have to throw printer out window. seeya [22:57]
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phf BingoBoingo: there's an entire generation of foreigners who believed in the america of coca cola commercials and schwarzenegger movies. they thought the aspirational simulacrum is the real deal. so of course moving here was a huge letdown. [23:07]
phf there's a lot of russian jews working at NIH, self style soviet dissidents, who now run various research departments same way as they were doing it back then. the common sentiment is basically "we've been had for a pair of chinese jeans" [23:07]
phf the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. [23:07]
BingoBoingo I can see that. [23:07]
BingoBoingo Only Hollywood movies where CIA is an antagonist are the ones where Tom Cruise works for a still more secret agency [23:08]
mats not so secret, the IMF [23:12]
BingoBoingo The only really appealing thing from any of those films I've seen was the gum. [23:19]
gernika There's a generation of americans that believed in those ads and movies too. [23:19]
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decimation phf: I think this is the root of about 90% of euro hate on the us [23:39]
decimation yarvin pointed this out as well: you failed to live up to the america you propagandised us into believing in! [23:40]
shinohai [23:41]
assbot Amerika - Rammstein (English Subtitles) - YouTube ... ( ) [23:41]
decimation which is why they spaz out whenver something slightly right-wing happens in the us, and meanwhile award obama the nobel [23:41]
* assbot gives voice to thestringpuller [23:44]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: didn't take you for a mission impossible fan. [23:45]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: asciilifeform as a pot smoking hippie in some alternate reality...the stuff good sitcoms are made of [23:46]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [23:46]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.74, Best ask: 294.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 294.73, 24 hour volume: 13251.94979111, 24 hour low: 293.1, 24 hour high: 297.72, 24 hour vwap: None [23:46]
mircea_popescu lol this is going to be painful. [23:46]
decimation shinohai: yes exactly that [23:46]
mircea_popescu the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. << word srsly. [23:49]
mircea_popescu << i recall laughing at people for this reason a decade ago. [23:50]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:19:03; nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site [23:50]
mircea_popescu << that continuity is simply the immemorial, stone-like continuity of stupidity. [23:51]
assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 00:23:54; asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing [23:51]
mircea_popescu the avatars of "common sense" as held by the mentally stunted adult roman woman of "respectable extraction" would find exact equivalents in the heads of your new york rachel fucktard today, or in the heads of british imbecile a century ago, or wherever else. and it'd take them all of half an hour to start nodding approvingly at each other [23:52]
mircea_popescu a facility which is both why so very few women do anything notable and at the same time why stuff like language even maintains any sort of continuity over time. [23:52]
mircea_popescu "gotta support the team!" [23:53]
mircea_popescu [23:53]
assbot "Hey man, I'm just trying to support the team." - YouTube ... ( ) [23:53]
decimation lol from the youtube comments of that Amerika song: "There is absolutely nothing positive in germany that comes from America. America's entire auto industry re-packages their cars from German made models. This model of doing business is used on every thing America sells. " [23:55]
decimation "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" [23:55]
decimation ^ this is true and completely untaught in the us [23:56]
mircea_popescu so not true. [23:56]
decimation (assuming he is talking about the forced repatriation of ethnic germans [23:56]
mircea_popescu they came up with thje "let's put a lawnmower engine in ten cubic meters of injected plastic" thing all on their own [23:56]
mircea_popescu next you knew, bmw and mercedes were falling over each othert toi make "suv"s [23:56]
decimation yeah, big trucks sell well in the us [23:57]
mircea_popescu except these are suzukis with horns. [23:57]
decimation there's a weird cultural thing in america about minivans [23:57]
mircea_popescu 1.3k cc engine "trucks" that can't climb a 3% incline. [23:57]
decimation somehow it's okay to drive a gigantic truck with seats (suv) but a minivan isn't - even though it's more efficient and generally can carry more stuff [23:58]
decimation ? trucks in the us have gigantic engies [23:58]
mircea_popescu some do [23:59]
mircea_popescu srsly, look at the "affordable" set. [23:59]
decimation it's quite common to see them fitted with diesels that generate more than 400 brake hp [23:59]
BingoBoingo "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" << Pretty sure German actually was on the GMO crop train first [23:59]
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