Forum logs for 28 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is your box getting hammered by bozos ? [00:01]
ben_vulpes !up Chicago [00:01]
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decimation Chicago: are you a fan of crypto too? [00:02]
asciilifeform now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working [00:02]
asciilifeform (with glibc+static) [00:02]
decimation I thought he had [00:02]
decimation but with dns [00:02]
asciilifeform afaik can't do dns at all with static glibc [00:02]
asciilifeform so no [00:02]
asciilifeform but possibly he had something like what i just posted, but it isn't on the ml. [00:02]
decimation I've seen it give linker warnings [00:03]
decimation didn't check to see if it was truely static [00:03]
asciilifeform mine also gives linker warning for 'what if you used gethostbyname' [00:03]
decimation yeah exactly [00:03]
asciilifeform -- except that we provably never do [00:03]
asciilifeform so fuck it [00:06]
asciilifeform gcc sucks at stripping deadcode, news at 11. [00:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5093 @ 0.00039374 = 2.0053 BTC [-] [00:06]
decimation also, nobody gives a fuck about supporting static linking, news at 11 [00:06]
asciilifeform we knew, yes [00:06]
decimation "why link static when you could just accept my world of shit?" [00:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform kind-of. [00:08]
scoopbot_revived Women and incentives in tech http://trilema.com/2015/women-and-incentives-in-tech/ [00:08]
mircea_popescu there's ~30 connected, ye'll have to insist. [00:09]
asciilifeform let me guess, the duplicates aren't up [00:09]
mircea_popescu doubt they'd be in a much better position. [00:10]
asciilifeform because 'split' br0ke [00:10]
* asciilifeform head-desks [00:10]
asciilifeform addrLocalHost = 0.0.0.0:8333 << anybody else getting this ? [00:11]
asciilifeform ah it's the retardation [00:17]
asciilifeform '// Proxies can't take incoming connections' [00:17]
asciilifeform working as written. [00:17]
asciilifeform that crap ~will~ have to be shot. [00:17]
asciilifeform as well as the ability to kick 'for misbehaviour' the ONLY PERMITTED CONNECT node [00:17]
asciilifeform who the FUCK thought of that. [00:17]
asciilifeform what's next, uterus gives her cramps so she ejects it ? [00:17]
asciilifeform across the room [00:17]
Chicago decimation, Sure I'm a crypto fan. :) [00:18]
Chicago Albeit more active in Wintertime when my rigs warm the house. [00:18]
asciilifeform '-connect=x.x.x.x' should ONLY affect OUTGOING connections [00:19]
mircea_popescu myeah [00:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a box to sync from that i don't have to share with public urinators [00:20]
mircea_popescu how do you propose i implement this ? [00:20]
asciilifeform iptables ? [00:20]
* mircea_popescu goes to read the manual for iptables now, to find how you do "open port only for x ip" [00:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00038826 = 10.3665 BTC [-] [00:21]
mircea_popescu fully expecting he will have to install vanrish, uninstall alsa, recompile the kernel and fix glibc. [00:21]
ben_vulpes you're learning! [00:22]
ben_vulpes http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/net_8cpp_source.html#l00653 << help what am i looking at [00:22]
assbot bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/net.cpp Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvmktA ) [00:22]
ben_vulpes why are these critical sections lexically nested? [00:22]
asciilifeform http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7423309/iptables-block-access-to-port-8000-except-from-ip-address >> change port, 8333.. [00:22]
assbot firewall - iptables block access to port 8000 except from IP address - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvmkK8 ) [00:22]
ben_vulpes are they also /programatically/ nested? [00:22]
mircea_popescu iptables -I INPUT -p tcp ! -s -j DROP << is that it ? [00:23]
trinque mircea_popescu: because layering another turd atop iptables is surely what you want... I find ufw a nice tool to deal with trivial firewall setups [00:23]
mircea_popescu hm shouldn't port be specified somewhere [00:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: read linked turd [00:24]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform try nao [00:26]
asciilifeform 'connect() failed after select(): Connection refused' [00:27]
mircea_popescu actually uh... i see you ? [00:27]
mircea_popescu wtf/ [00:27]
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* asciilifeform sends warm hello to the nice folks at ft meade sending us tcp FIN's [00:28]
mircea_popescu nowai. [00:29]
asciilifeform socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1 [00:29]
mircea_popescu eh nonsense. [00:29]
mircea_popescu it's been feeding 100s of peers like 1gb since yest or w/e. [00:29]
asciilifeform try from own box [00:29]
mircea_popescu it works from a multitude of boxen [00:30]
* asciilifeform about to test with conventional therealbitcoin [00:31]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes but did any of them '-connect' [00:31]
trinque asciilifeform: am I in the ballpark... having the vague notion that c-gates would be used to indicate whether the inputs necessary to perform a computation are available? [00:31]
trinque strikes me as "promises" to indicate the braindamaged programming environments I've sued [00:32]
asciilifeform trinque: c-gate only fires when all inputs are stable [00:32]
trinque *used [00:32]
trinque right [00:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they must have if they were moving bytes neh [00:32]
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asciilifeform and if connected to other c-gates, same applies to them [00:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: same thing when using conventional therealbitcoin [00:32]
asciilifeform (non-static) [00:32]
trinque seems to be the mechanism by which you call a bunch of asynchronous happenings one "thing", and can therefore act upon those "things" all being available [00:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and no, i was specifically talking about -connect=x.x.x.x' commandline argument [00:33]
mircea_popescu hm [00:33]
mircea_popescu i have nfi [00:33]
* asciilifeform boots up 'wireshark' [00:34]
mircea_popescu honestly, i don't think that iptables thing actually works. [00:34]
mircea_popescu because everyone trying to get in is now stuck on LAST ACK [00:34]
mircea_popescu which is not to my eye the expected behaviour. [00:34]
decimation iptables, like most of the kernel, is undocumented as fuck [00:36]
asciilifeform ~all~ i get is ACKs [00:36]
* asciilifeform is watching the packets in real time [00:36]
mircea_popescu i srsly see established conns. [00:36]
asciilifeform aha [00:37]
asciilifeform all i get is acks [00:37]
asciilifeform they're established, yes.. [00:37]
asciilifeform but mine asks 'version' and hears '...' [00:37]
mircea_popescu hm. [00:38]
decimation I kinda get the impression that about 99% of iptables implementations out there are 'cut n paste' from what someone else posted on some website [00:39]
mircea_popescu certainly. [00:39]
decimation just like 99% of 'autoconf' use is cut n' paste [00:40]
decimation many eyes, etc [00:40]
trinque beatings for everyone that decides to introduce his own grammar to describe some problem space (firewalls one of many examples) [00:41]
trinque I know... I'll invent a syntax! [00:41]
trinque firewall configuration should be a function you write that the network stack runs on every packet [00:42]
trinque pf is marginally better, but that's about it [00:42]
* asciilifeform brb, food [00:42]
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trinque the ufw thing at least gives you a semi-sane "ufw allow from 1.2.3.4 to any port 8333" [00:43]
decimation yeah it's kinda a cluster [00:43]
decimation proprietary firewalls on cisco, etc aren't any better [00:43]
trinque and even ufw runs afoul of the "natural language" == easy [00:43]
trinque same mistake as SQL [00:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 187 @ 0.0130107 = 2.433 BTC [-] {2} [00:45]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform tell you what, if you don't get to the bottom of it, ima make you an account on the server tomorrow, copy over the blockchain and you can compile your own or w/e. [00:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33406 @ 0.00039961 = 13.3494 BTC [+] {3} [00:54]
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scoopbot_revived The art of punishment, translated. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/27/the-art-of-punishment-translated/ [00:58]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: -addnode works [01:07]
asciilifeform -connect --- no [01:07]
asciilifeform of course this is useless [01:08]
asciilifeform but shows that packets do move [01:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00039312 = 1.7297 BTC [-] [01:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it really ought not to be necessary to move blockchains with bare hands! [01:09]
asciilifeform that's what '-connect' is for [01:09]
mod6 wow, just getting caught up here. have been afk for a while here today... [01:10]
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mod6 <+asciilifeform> now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working <+asciilifeform> (with glibc+static) << v0.5.3.1-RELEASE basically is not true "static" build because of the gethostbyname() (DNS/libnss) calls in there. but was trying to build static bitcoind with uclibc/gcc on gentoo, was hitting a problem described here before. If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinking tha [01:12]
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asciilifeform mod6: msg got cut off [01:13]
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asciilifeform at 'I'm thinking tha' [01:14]
mod6 oh crap. ok sorry. [01:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, i know. what can i do over here. [01:17]
mod6 If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinking that would get us where we want to be; sounds like you've done that! [01:17]
mod6 my pos car got a flat today, so I limped it up to the station to get a new tire & walked the ~3 miles back. [01:18]
asciilifeform mod6: there is still http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179772 and also figuring out wtf gives with '-connect' [01:18]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...) [01:18]
mod6 only to find out that both front springs are broken (lol) and that's what caused the tire to blow out. [01:18]
asciilifeform woah [01:18]
asciilifeform srsly? [01:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, ok if i move back to public access for this ? [01:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: go ahead [01:18]
asciilifeform i don't think overcrowding was the issue here [01:18]
mod6 so now I've got this company to pay $185 and take it off my hands for scrap. hahah [01:18]
mircea_popescu got the command predigested for me ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu :D [01:18]
asciilifeform aaand hey [01:20]
asciilifeform it worked [01:20]
mircea_popescu huh ? [01:20]
asciilifeform wtf [01:20]
asciilifeform it's milking [01:20]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:20]
mod6 you got connected to mp's blockchain milk? or -connect worked for you? [01:20]
asciilifeform what did mircea_popescu do ? [01:20]
mircea_popescu i played wiff girl. [01:20]
asciilifeform l0rl [01:21]
mircea_popescu game of yatze [01:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, ima keep it locked to your ip till tomorro then [01:21]
asciilifeform ty [01:21]
mircea_popescu if nothing else then because "don't fuck with shit that works" [01:21]
mod6 oh, forgot to mention. the place wanted $500 to replace the springs. which is what prompted me to `mv posCar /dev/scrap` [01:22]
* asciilifeform still wondering wtf that was all about [01:22]
mircea_popescu very weird. [01:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27097 @ 0.00038778 = 10.5077 BTC [-] {3} [01:22]
mod6 hmm [01:22]
decimation mod6: mechanics are famous for exploiting folks in what they think are vulnerable situations [01:22]
mod6 yeah, they were pretty blown away when I just came and told 'em i was gonna scrap it. [01:22]
* trinque lawls at the naked folks biking past him [01:23]
trinque there are things to like about this communist land [01:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now stuck again... [01:23]
asciilifeform after 43929 [01:23]
mod6 it's not processing blocks? or you're getting disconnected? [01:24]
asciilifeform stalled [01:24]
mod6 hmm. give it 10 minutes to be sure... unless it's taking on those weird errors [01:24]
asciilifeform no errors [01:24]
asciilifeform just... stalls [01:24]
asciilifeform as in, nothing moving over the pipe [01:25]
mod6 I remember from the block 168`001 issue (tx verification failed) that it would start dumping tons of errors if truly stuck. [01:25]
mircea_popescu eh listen, it's prolly getting too much attention [01:25]
asciilifeform again, not this [01:25]
mod6 ah [01:25]
mircea_popescu let it be till tomorro, and we'll see what. [01:25]
* asciilifeform leaves the thing running [01:25]
asciilifeform picture so far is consistent with massive ddos, imho [01:26]
mod6 asciilifeform: thanks a lot for your work tonight on the Static Builder. I'm a bit zapped to start getting into that tonight. Is it cool with you if I start testing it out tomorrow morning? [01:28]
mod6 I can work on that and see where I can get with it; then I have to start working on the SoBA for June. [01:28]
asciilifeform mod6: no reason to hurry [01:28]
mod6 Ok awesome. [01:29]
asciilifeform i'm about to sleep a bit myself [01:29]
mod6 *nod* [01:29]
mod6 thanks for all of your help :] [01:29]
asciilifeform np [01:29]
asciilifeform this exercise did not take very long but for some reason very tiring [01:30]
mod6 yeah, i hear ya. [01:30]
mod6 get some rest. tomorrow we can keep on. [01:30]
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ben_vulpes sleep? when all these titties are biking by? [01:34]
* ben_vulpes hauls out lawn chair and bottle of wine [01:34]
mod6 haha. [01:34]
trinque ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!" [01:35]
trinque ok portland, you win this round [01:35]
trinque this I think has something to do with the political problems throughout time [01:36]
trinque maybe I should get more drunk and see if pete_dushenski ends up writing about it [01:36]
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asciilifeform another burst of milkage [01:40]
asciilifeform to 44429. stall. [01:40]
asciilifeform l0l [01:40]
mod6 nice. you think it's being packeted though? [01:40]
asciilifeform somebody's taking a king-sized shit in there [01:41]
mod6 ah [01:41]
asciilifeform either that or somebody between here and there is 'losing' packets. [01:41]
decimation or there's a dysfunctional router somewhere [01:41]
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mod6 what does tr look like? [01:42]
asciilifeform decimation: not here [01:42]
asciilifeform woah [01:45]
asciilifeform some pretty serious strange [01:45]
mod6 is it looping [01:45]
asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt [01:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ebSUU4 ) [01:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ [01:46]
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mod6 asciilifeform: mine looks exactly the same. [01:47]
decimation asciilifeform: seems like 'unthreading bitcoind' would be an admiral goal [01:47]
asciilifeform decimation: ? [01:47]
decimation cutting out the locking, threads ,etc [01:48]
asciilifeform tcp without threads? [01:48]
asciilifeform wat [01:48]
asciilifeform gonna service 1 node at a time ? [01:48]
mod6 http://dpaste.com/3WAY4WZ.txt << mine (lol 3way) [01:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ebTbqg ) [01:48]
asciilifeform with polling ? [01:48]
decimation yeah, async [01:49]
asciilifeform screw that [01:49]
decimation heh [01:49]
mod6 heheh [01:49]
asciilifeform go build p2p net with 1-at-a-time [01:49]
asciilifeform (and what, someone wants to connect, you drop ~everything~ ?) [01:49]
decimation I've built several pure async servers [01:49]
asciilifeform decimation: what do they do? queue requests ? [01:50]
decimation sure [01:50]
decimation generally, you write a while loop with epoll or whatever [01:50]
decimation jump to whatever bell rings [01:50]
asciilifeform as if this thing didn't suck enough balls [01:50]
decimation well, it seems to me that there ought to be a definable spec between "talk to peers" and "maintain database of blocks" [01:51]
asciilifeform decimation: unless i seriously misunderstood mircea_popescu, not only is the reference client the permanent spec, but so are the turdependencies [01:52]
asciilifeform and anything purporting to be a human-readable spec is necessarily incomplete [01:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25944 @ 0.00040271 = 10.4479 BTC [+] {2} [01:53]
decimation well, until the book is printed, studied, underped [01:53]
decimation over many man-years of effort [01:53]
asciilifeform and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork' [01:53]
trinque decimation: sounds kinda like what I understand nginx to be [01:53]
trinque munches a queue of that-which-must-be-done with 1-n workers [01:53]
asciilifeform decimation: i don't think that a mathematically-rigorous description of openssl (not to even mention boost and bdb) could be achieved in 10,000 years of sweat [01:54]
asciilifeform or that anyone would wish to try. [01:54]
decimation even the severable bits that bitcoind really needs? [01:54]
asciilifeform it's 'the spittoon' [01:54]
asciilifeform none of it is really severable from any of it [01:54]
decimation well, ultimately it's all running machine code [01:55]
decimation might need to start at that level I guess. [01:55]
* asciilifeform actually began there [01:55]
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asciilifeform tried to come up with a mechanical mapping back from bin to what produced each section in the elf [01:55]
asciilifeform even wrote buncha ida script idiocy [01:55]
asciilifeform had to put it down, too many other things going on [01:56]
asciilifeform gcc, as one might imagine, does not go out of its way to help this be a readily practical thing [01:56]
asciilifeform quite the contrary. [01:56]
asciilifeform rms ~deliberately~ nudges it, whenever he can, in the direction of being as opaque as possible [01:57]
decimation no and as I recall there's hand-written asm in openssl [01:57]
asciilifeform decimation: optional [01:57]
decimation sure, to keep folks from re-writing gcc [01:57]
decimation so he can haz powerz [01:57]
asciilifeform decimation: not quite [01:57]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816009 << see old thread. [01:58]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 03:37:06; decimation: "The existence of LLVM is a terrible setback for our community precisely because it is not copylefted and can be used as the basis for nonfree compilers — so that all contribution to LLVM directly helps proprietary software as much as it helps us.'" [01:58]
asciilifeform .... and another short burst from mircea_popescu's node [01:58]
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asciilifeform decimation: rms did not want it to break apart into readily-plagiarizable pieces. [01:59]
asciilifeform this is annoying but i understand 100% [01:59]
asciilifeform why he did it [01:59]
ben_vulpes erm i thought bitcoind *did* service one at a time, looping over sockets [01:59]
* ben_vulpes to src [02:00]
decimation sure, he wants to keep people from mkaing a bsd gcc [02:00]
asciilifeform gcc is the original lonely fort keeping the whole gpl thing alive [02:01]
asciilifeform the one thing the fucking parasites couldn't effectively plagiarize without leaving trace [02:01]
asciilifeform but this had a cost, yes. [02:01]
asciilifeform i will note that llvm (since i mentioned it again) is upon the most cursory examination a piece of shit, that wasn't even built to 'be good' - but simply with the one and only purpose of killing gcc. [02:03]
asciilifeform rms is spot-on here [02:03]
asciilifeform it exists, was built, to help him die. [02:03]
decimation I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him [02:03]
asciilifeform in the sense in which it is now alive? sure [02:04]
asciilifeform in the sense of keeping the 'reasonable' folks at bay? doubtful [02:04]
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decimation maybe. [02:04]
asciilifeform as soon as he's out, 'reasonable' people will crawl in and 'make compromises' [02:04]
decimation gpl is pretty weak sauce unless you have a barrel of lawyers to help you enforce it [02:04]
decimation aye, agreed [02:05]
decimation all I want is a world where I get source when I get software [02:05]
decimation but I recognize that rms' stand is probably the only way [02:05]
asciilifeform won't ask for it to be buildable ? [02:05]
asciilifeform on something which in turn is buildable ? [02:05]
asciilifeform etc [02:05]
decimation aye [02:06]
decimation really, he's already lost his war for the reasons you harp on re: bedrock [02:06]
asciilifeform rms doesn't do war. not for many years, anyway. he does 'lonely fort' [02:06]
asciilifeform keeping out whole universes full of filth [02:06]
asciilifeform that will come flooding in as soon as he's out of action [02:07]
asciilifeform it is already seeping through the cracks. [02:07]
asciilifeform has been, for some years now. [02:07]
decimation yeah, as far as I can tell gpl only really 'sticks' to fsf software directly [02:07]
asciilifeform gpl is really primarily about gcc and linuxkernel [02:08]
decimation yeah [02:08]
asciilifeform everything else is window dressing [02:08]
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decimation not much use to a license if you don't intend on enforcing it [02:08]
ben_vulpes (curse these jackholes who littered the source with printstatements that include function names) [02:09]
ben_vulpes is there a sane cpp logging thing that could be used in place of these print statements? [02:10]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: there's gcc-specific stuff that folds the line and # into the print [02:10]
asciilifeform (can't recall off top of head what, precisely. rtfm...) [02:10]
asciilifeform https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Standard-Predefined-Macros.html << possibly here [02:11]
assbot Standard Predefined Macros - The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqXV95 ) [02:12]
asciilifeform https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Common-Predefined-Macros.html#Common-Predefined-Macros << and here [02:12]
assbot Common Predefined Macros - The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqXXxK ) [02:12]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: fprintf(stderr, "info: %s:%d: ", __FILE__, __LINE__); [02:13]
* ben_vulpes wonders at actual utility of a patch shaped like this [02:13]
asciilifeform i was reluctant to throw gccisms in there, but if we go and start building on mircea_popescu's soviet pdp11 we can always roll equivalent macros for that [02:14]
asciilifeform but if you ask me, this falls squarely under 'do this after it fucking ~works~' as described by mircea_popescu earlier. [02:14]
* ben_vulpes nods [02:15]
* asciilifeform sees another very short burst from mircea_popescu's node [02:16]
asciilifeform followed by silence... [02:16]
asciilifeform at this rate, the thing will sync some time after the eeproms in my computer lose 9/10th of their bits [02:16]
asciilifeform and i die of old age 3-5 times [02:17]
mircea_popescu nuts. [02:17]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1499 << looping over nodes, handling messages including new blocks [02:17]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqYpMw ) [02:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: yes but has accept() [02:17]
ben_vulpes pardon? [02:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: is able to take new connections while doing said loop [02:18]
ben_vulpes aha [02:18]
ben_vulpes http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=fShutdown << for log readers interested in how precisely bitcoin shits its pants when told to go to sleep [02:19]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: fShutdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqYD6n ) [02:19]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but if you can write your own asynchronous everything, you can finally get the coveted msdos port... [02:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4305 @ 0.00040539 = 1.7452 BTC [+] [02:20]
ben_vulpes mnope. [02:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja see http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt [02:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTxC7X ) [02:21]
ben_vulpes that'd be threadsockethandler? [02:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok ? [02:21]
mircea_popescu what is 213.130.38.26? [02:22]
asciilifeform damned if i know [02:22]
mircea_popescu does ntt europe have a dedicated, identifiable five eyes leecher ? [02:22]
asciilifeform wouldn't be the first [02:23]
asciilifeform and not merely leecher, but pisser [02:23]
mircea_popescu this entire experience painfully reminds me of the famous phoneline click somehow [02:23]
asciilifeform aha! [02:23]
asciilifeform was just thinking this! [02:23]
mircea_popescu im sure it's just my feverish paranoia. [02:23]
asciilifeform if it's man-made, it's actually pretty classy [02:23]
asciilifeform dropping the connection would get bitcoind rotating to next node [02:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179703 << win. [02:24]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 02:04:04; asciilifeform: There is no dynamic section in this file. [02:24]
asciilifeform (supposing we weren't using -connect) [02:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: partial win, it's still built on (static) glibc [02:24]
asciilifeform but the thing is running on my box now. [02:24]
mircea_popescu you actually managed to get glibc to static ? [02:24]
asciilifeform did. [02:24]
mircea_popescu this is pretty great. [02:24]
asciilifeform pull down the tarball from ml, try [02:24]
asciilifeform doesn't take high tech magic [02:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179724 << perfect. [02:25]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 02:30:30; asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box) [02:25]
asciilifeform drop deps in 'distfiles', run stator.sh. [02:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and yes, was gonna do this after certain tests. such as the one that is presently failing [02:25]
asciilifeform (-connect from motherlode) [02:25]
mircea_popescu aha. [02:25]
asciilifeform and would sorta like other folks to read the damn thing [02:26]
mircea_popescu yea. [02:26]
asciilifeform (no patches necessary to the bitcoind proper beyond what was published previously) [02:26]
asciilifeform see ml post. [02:26]
mircea_popescu did someoine actually answer "favourite pubkey algo" q with a ... hashing function ?! [02:27]
asciilifeform yeah some anon schmuck [02:27]
mircea_popescu "what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe" [02:27]
mircea_popescu "you mean sole ?" "o yeah that's the one!" [02:27]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: why "stator" [02:27]
asciilifeform 'the most delicious fish is the sausage.' --my grandfather [02:27]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: static bin [02:27]
mircea_popescu properly made sausage actually floats. therefore not a fish [02:28]
mircea_popescu but a witch [02:28]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ouch [02:28]
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mircea_popescu are you a pain enthusiast ben_vulpes ? [02:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform to answer earlier q : i think for thius purpose (running on dulap etc) static glibc is exactly right. [02:29]
mircea_popescu doesn't help us on pogo, but that's a diff story. [02:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking of doing for ibmpc something like what i did for pogo [02:30]
asciilifeform e.g. a kernel that boots right into, this. [02:30]
mircea_popescu we'll have to bootstrap ourselves. [02:30]
mircea_popescu so that can be v 1.1 [02:30]
asciilifeform y'know how some hoster folks let you drop an iso in when you get the thing [02:31]
mircea_popescu also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis. [02:31]
asciilifeform 'install favourite os' [02:31]
asciilifeform that'd be more for dedicated nodes, aha [02:31]
asciilifeform for mixing into daily life - normal package suffices [02:31]
mircea_popescu pogo = dedicated node ; this = stick everywhere [02:31]
mircea_popescu yeah [02:31]
asciilifeform but overall i like the idea of a dc box with bitcoind and LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE [02:31]
asciilifeform not even ssh [02:31]
mircea_popescu pogo. [02:32]
mircea_popescu that box should not be in dc [02:32]
mircea_popescu but on consumer internet terminals. [02:32]
asciilifeform until we actually get limited mempool, shoot fragging in the head, etc. pogo will be a bit slow [02:32]
asciilifeform (it'll have to swap.) [02:32]
mircea_popescu understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a 213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers [02:32]
asciilifeform aha [02:33]
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asciilifeform unquestionably the whole 'p2p' thing is the right and proper objective [02:33]
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asciilifeform but of necessity many of the boxes involved in the ramp-up will be pc. [02:33]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180198 << can't entirely agree here. every so often folks discover carriers diddling 'consumer' traffic in obscene ways (adding tracking crud to http, even) having gone by for years at a time with not a squeak from the chumps [02:35]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 05:28:41; mircea_popescu: understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a 213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers [02:35]
asciilifeform do this at a serious dc and you have half a dozen 'bofhs' going postal [02:36]
ben_vulpes pardon my thickness, but what is "this" now? [02:36]
asciilifeform because literate folks, heard of 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc [02:37]
ben_vulpes oh oh [02:37]
asciilifeform yeah, that this. [02:37]
ben_vulpes diddling. [02:37]
ben_vulpes what is the 10x to 100x refer to - not the ip cost at a 'home' terminal? [02:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: cost of setting up diddler [02:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're thinking the 90s. [02:38]
mircea_popescu those people are retired. [02:38]
asciilifeform i'm still in the 90s [02:38]
asciilifeform posting from them right now, l0l [02:38]
mircea_popescu nice for you - but... [02:38]
asciilifeform it's about 1994 here in this room [02:38]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes just more nonsense to filter. [02:38]
ben_vulpes ic [02:42]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> "what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe" << haha [02:43]
* asciilifeform bbl. [02:44]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179994 << topless ? [02:53]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 04:31:39; trinque: ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!" [02:53]
mats http://pdxwnbr.org/ [02:55]
assbot World Naked Bike Ride | As Bare As You Dare ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEDYEW ) [02:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180042 << pretty much. HOWEVER, more movement has been made towards sanity in this chan over the past six months than since 2009. [02:56]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 04:49:18; asciilifeform: and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork' [02:56]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180079 << outright impossible. [02:58]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 04:59:46; decimation: I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him [02:58]
mircea_popescu the fsf, and the "foss" concoction, are going to be gone before the usg. [02:58]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform, trinque, decimation: how does http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#1141 implement serialization such that it writes correctly-shaped data to CBlock here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 [02:59]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEEq6b ) [02:59]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEEqD2 ) [02:59]
ben_vulpes (and anyone else who understands cpp) [02:59]
decimation ugh template shit [03:02]
ben_vulpes maybe someday i'll understand what precisely's going on in serialize.h [03:02]
ben_vulpes just strikes me as a bit of black magic that a CDataStream can deserialize itself into a CBlock with just an overloaded right shift operator [03:03]
decimation yes, that's what the template does [03:03]
decimation 'overloads' >> with another function [03:03]
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ben_vulpes but how does it know what to serialize the block message into [03:09]
decimation as in, what type? [03:12]
ben_vulpes maybe? perhaps i'm speaking poorly of ignorance. [03:15]
ben_vulpes is that `CBlock block` a contiguous-ish memory section? [03:16]
mircea_popescu unlikely. [03:17]
decimation can you tell me what line you are trying to understand? where the cblock is? [03:17]
decimation honestly I usually end up reading C++ reference books and mumbling to myself [03:18]
ben_vulpes decimation: i'm struggling to understand how http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 results in a data structure that ProcessBlock can understand [03:19]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGdYT ) [03:19]
ben_vulpes http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1424 << processblock, third line of which calls pblock->GetHash() [03:20]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGkUc ) [03:20]
decimation lol it calls a macro http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0098 [03:25]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGJ9h ) [03:25]
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decimation the IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE in CBlock is here http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0800 [03:31]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEHdw9 ) [03:31]
decimation any class that serializes implements this macro [03:31]
mats http://messageboard.inhalant.org/post/my-isopropyl-alcohol-story-6562564 jesus [03:47]
assbot My isopropyl alcohol story. - Inhalant Abuse Prevention ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEILpO ) [03:47]
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punkman mats, lol. he's in netherlands, has money, and can't find better drugs than denatured alcohol? [03:53]
mats that occurred to me as well [03:54]
trinque "I did it because i like the smell." << bahaha [04:02]
trinque I've heard that one re: cocaine too [04:02]
trinque I'm sure in this case he means it. [04:02]
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trinque I have sometimes been so worried about what huffing isopropyl alcohol did to me that I have even faked symptoms so that I could go to the doctor repeatedly and get all kinds of check-ups. << I gotta wonder if these people aren't just addicted to the notion that they're doing something crazy and bad. [04:05]
trinque and love whatever attention that brings too [04:06]
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punkman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139679/Meet-Shabani-handsome-gorilla-raised-Australia-fame-Japan-women-flock-zoo-just-him.html [04:18]
assbot Gorilla Shabani who was raised in Australia has found fame in Japan | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1dq5A9s ) [04:18]
punkman http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/ [04:21]
assbot RGJ Exclusive: BLM wants $1 million VIP compound from Burning Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRxjl1 ) [04:21]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, ya have not blocked me from qntra.net/wp-admin with iptables have ya? [04:28]
punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_yCA0dsloE [04:29]
assbot Scary fire accident in Taiwan!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dq6nap ) [04:29]
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cazalla punkman, we don't need no water let the mother fucker burn.. [04:31]
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punkman heh [04:32]
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cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBfoFl0mnho [04:36]
assbot Walmart Refuses to Make Confederate Flag, But Makes This Cake Instead - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRyiSe ) [04:36]
cazalla could only get better if they storm his house and arrest him for an ISIS cake [04:37]
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punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176407 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrlYJqPvLks [04:40]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 17:21:41; mircea_popescu: "fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping [04:40]
assbot Referendum (Grèce, Grecia, Greece, Griechenland, Grécia) : Alexis Tsipras - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRyAbK ) [04:40]
scoopbot_revived Mining Difficulty Decreases By -0.58% http://qntra.net/2015/06/mining-difficulty-decreases-by-0-58/ [04:49]
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ben_vulpes cazalla: would benefit from a chart [04:53]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHK_W17UgAEuLIl.jpg [04:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRzIw7 ) [04:55]
cazalla ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski [04:57]
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punkman http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-27/fx-brokerages-move-close-only-ahead-monday-open [05:23]
assbot FX Brokerages Move To "Close Only" Ahead Of Monday Open | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRBLQw ) [05:23]
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jurov http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/27/cnn-confuses-butt-plug-and-dildo-banner-for-isis-flag-at-pride/ [05:29]
assbot CNN confuses sex toy banner for ISIS flag at Pride · PinkNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRC9i4 ) [05:29]
jurov lol they see isis everywhere [05:29]
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punkman jurov, in their defence, it looks like one [05:30]
jurov not on second look [05:30]
cazalla somewhat similar to that if you dropped a few stars from the ussa flag, you'd still think it was the ussa flag [05:39]
mircea_popescu cazalla have not, no. [05:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180271 << hos gotta knows where to flock. [05:55]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 07:17:23; punkman: http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/ [05:55]
cazalla got in eventually, just took 5-10m to log into wp-admin for some reason [05:56]
mircea_popescu now, why would it be for ~officials~ is another matter. [05:56]
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MacCheese Does slackware spy on what you do on your computer? [06:18]
MacCheese I am Jesus Christ [06:18]
punkman welcome [06:19]
MacCheese meowmix081? [06:25]
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punkman http://www.williamhillplc.com/media/newsroom/media-releases/2015/no-more-bets-on-grexit/ [10:41]
assbot William Hill PLC: No More Bets On Grexit [10:41]
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decimation asciilifeform, others: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 < hilarious. C++ methods being 'metaprogrammed' by C macro [11:22]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrAIDH ) [11:22]
decimation satoshi had no shame [11:22]
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decimation mixing C preprocessor and C++ templates would only occur to someone who had programed much C spagetti code in his life [11:24]
decimation ben_vulpes: to be clear, IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE is a C preprocessor macro that is composed of other C preprocessor macros (READWRITE) that ends up dangling all the serialize/deserialize methods onto classes of his choosing [11:26]
decimation the methods themselves being C++ template methods [11:27]
punkman nice one [11:27]
kakobrekla spacex just disintegrated heh [11:29]
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mats i was also watching the stream [11:37]
mats rocket disintegrates mid air [11:37]
mats ...oops. [11:37]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu sync from your node (or from hitler's mitm node...!) is at 193600+ and counting [11:49]
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asciilifeform traceroute looks same today as last night. [11:52]
asciilifeform and it still runs in 'bursts.' [11:52]
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asciilifeform 'BLM Special Agent Dan Love of Salt Lake City was cited multiple times as the person behind many of the BLM requests, according to the emails. Love will have a personal bathroom trailer to be shared with only one other official, according to documents. Love also led the BLM operation against Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy that ended in a standoff with Bundy's armed supporters. He did not return requests for comment this week.' [12:18]
asciilifeform ^ mega-l0l [12:18]
* asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal [12:19]
mats 'culture' [12:19]
asciilifeform if i wanted to sit in the sun and dig latrines i could do it for free in .mil [12:20]
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asciilifeform they have better pyrotechnics too. [12:22]
asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 << cpp programmers in particular have no notion of hygiene. and the more experienced, the less of a notion they have, as a rule [12:25]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnqlkG ) [12:25]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180335 << pretty much what naggum said: the language and its ecosystem encourages this kind of mental decay - and selects for the susceptible in the first place [12:27]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 14:23:29; decimation: the methods themselves being C++ template methods [12:27]
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asciilifeform see http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3088289335876823@naggum.no.html [12:28]
assbot Re: Why a lisp OS? Re: Help required on Limitations of Lisp - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1NquySi ) [12:28]
asciilifeform in particular, 'in a sense, Windows is a result of the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it.' [12:29]
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asciilifeform https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00049.html << drepper! [12:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqvNB2 ) [12:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^^ [12:38]
asciilifeform (re: the gconv thing. i've been bashing my head against the conundrum of how to tear out that idiocy from my static build) [12:39]
asciilifeform it ~has~ to go [12:39]
asciilifeform go and strace the thing and yes, it snarfs up this perfectly-irrelevant turd from disk [12:39]
asciilifeform https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00051.html << moar of same [12:40]
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asciilifeform poettering et al are small change in comparison [12:42]
asciilifeform linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers. [12:42]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180185 << my build cannot be considered battlefield-ready in this sense until the gconv thing is burned out with hot irons [12:44]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 05:26:58; mircea_popescu: also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis. [12:44]
asciilifeform that thing is a ready, lubricated orifice for slithering vermin [12:45]
asciilifeform the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column [12:47]
asciilifeform how has he not spoken out (or eaten his pistol...) yet ? [12:48]
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chetty http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/ [13:31]
assbot Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Programmer - Digits - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDtxTo ) [13:31]
chetty is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp? [13:32]
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asciilifeform '...The exchange sheds further light on the latest work carried out by large technology firms in the field of artificial intelligence, a booming field...' << apparently today is still 1966, weizenbaum's 'eliza' is 'latest work' [13:46]
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* asciilifeform loves the open-ended 'failed' used in the english language [13:47]
asciilifeform sentence doesn't need an object, why'd ya want that, aha [13:48]
kakobrekla Human: What do you like to talk about? [13:49]
kakobrekla Machine: Nothing. [13:49]
kakobrekla seems quite honest to me [13:49]
asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo in your gardening, have you ever used a 19th c.-style muscle-powered grass cutter? i did today, and noticed that it is actually less exhausting than petrol-powered variety on account of my not breathing CO from tailpipe [13:49]
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asciilifeform 208002... [15:03]
* asciilifeform is coming to think that we will be needing a mechanism for out-of-band (hashes, pgp) comparison of blockchains [15:05]
* asciilifeform is not ~at all~ certain that he is actually pulling from mircea_popescu's box, rather than a preet's [15:06]
ben_vulpes how could one tell? ordering of blocks? [15:06]
asciilifeform tell what ? [15:06]
asciilifeform whether he and i have same ? [15:06]
asciilifeform by hashing and sending pgpgram... [15:06]
ben_vulpes there's no guarantee that you'll produce the same blockchain on disk, though. [15:07]
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asciilifeform precisely [15:07]
asciilifeform hence why we need a mechanism to actually checksum the blocks and dump it to a man-readable form [15:07]
ben_vulpes i would actually be *surprised* if you did produce the same disk bytes via a network cslurping [15:08]
asciilifeform can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this [15:08]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you know full well that it won't [15:08]
asciilifeform which is why i said 'we need mechanism...' rather than 'hey mircea_popescu, hash those db turds and send me back via pgp wontcha' [15:08]
ben_vulpes i surmise [15:08]
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ben_vulpes the thing at this point lies spread apart on my vivisection table [15:09]
ben_vulpes i've not yet mapped its circulatory system, much less how it excretes [15:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you wanna perform a heroid deed, find out how to nuke gconv [15:10]
asciilifeform *heroic [15:10]
asciilifeform so far, all i learned is that it can - supposedly - be disabled during glibc build config. but this is not what i want [15:10]
ben_vulpes i'm not actually entirely certain where the gconv stuff is coming in [15:10]
asciilifeform if i have to write an elf diddler to yank it out of the binary, i will [15:11]
asciilifeform but would rather not come to this [15:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it is coming via glibc [15:11]
asciilifeform see the drepper link earlier today [15:11]
asciilifeform that fucker is responsible [15:11]
asciilifeform was quite open about it. [15:11]
ben_vulpes that, sir, is over my pay grade. [15:12]
asciilifeform i'm still hoping that i overlooked something, and that it can be disabled via civilized means [15:12]
ben_vulpes behavior tracker has my attention at the moment. [15:12]
ben_vulpes (or is that another "jam tomorrow"?) [15:13]
asciilifeform ? [15:13]
asciilifeform which behaviour [15:13]
ben_vulpes "peer ranker" [15:13]
ben_vulpes dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing. [15:14]
asciilifeform as far as i can tell, there is no intelligence in it beyond the misbehave... crap [15:14]
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ben_vulpes i speak of mircea_popescu's desired behavior. [15:14]
asciilifeform that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable [15:14]
asciilifeform (gossip) [15:14]
asciilifeform right now, as i said, no one has any idea who he is talking to [15:15]
* ben_vulpes rolls eyes [15:15]
asciilifeform for all i know, i'm syncing from a stooge box planted only a few miles away at my isp [15:15]
asciilifeform and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand [15:15]
ben_vulpes and if thbox serves at a high bandwidth few bastards and blocks that all verify, why not prefer it over others? [15:15]
asciilifeform 'few bastards' is not a criterion while we're using the classical sync mechanism; [15:16]
asciilifeform e.g., mircea_popescu's box craps out as many bastards as anyone's [15:16]
asciilifeform on account of there being no intelligence whatsoever in the sync code [15:16]
ben_vulpes ah have ye tested that yet? [15:16]
asciilifeform i have the thing scrolling on own display [15:16]
asciilifeform have been watching it, on and off, since started [15:16]
mats http://newsexaminer.net/politics/sex-offenders-now-required-transparent-rainbows-profile-pictures [15:16]
ben_vulpes "blonde, brunette, redhead..." [15:16]
assbot Sex Offenders Now Required To Have Transparent Rainbows On Their Profile Image - News Examiner - Examine Your World ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZnOdC ) [15:16]
* ben_vulpes is still curious about the block-vomiting process, and how bastards make it in [15:17]
asciilifeform mats: l0l, a new 'the onion' [15:17]
mats pretty good. [15:19]
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decimation asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower [15:35]
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decimation the cord is a little annoying but lack of co coming from exhaust is worthwhile [15:35]
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mircea_popescu and it still runs in 'bursts.' << this is a very strange behaviour. what's 193k, like 3-5% ? [15:49]
mircea_popescu 'BLM Special Agent" ? what the fuck ? everyone in the us got their power rangers now ? [15:50]
mircea_popescu * asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal << pretty much the ONLY remaining spot on the west coast to meet slovenly females that are undemanding. [15:51]
mircea_popescu your average adolescent male does not own a shirt. the female he'd be interested in dreams about waiting for "the right saudi prince". [15:51]
mircea_popescu imagine the tensions. [15:51]
mircea_popescu them silly kids will not really shoot for burning man, of course, but they'd be REALLY really sad in their corner if it went away. [15:52]
mircea_popescu "self reliance" = "we fuck in the dirt" [15:52]
decimation I wonder how long it will be until 'BLM special agents' start claiming sovereignty over their lands [15:53]
mircea_popescu in other news, i propose a petition to have the "Child Porn" utility removed from linux. why is not MauVe enough ? [15:54]
mircea_popescu only thing they do with CP is CI anyway. [15:54]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform gets a confirmed kill https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00050.html drepper's the enemy. [15:56]
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mircea_popescu " nobody used the code for real " ; "I personally don't care at all how big static binaries are." [15:56]
mircea_popescu it's like a religion. [15:56]
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mircea_popescu "Nobody must use them except for very few exceptions and for those larger code size is ok." [15:56]
decimation heh [15:57]
decimation well, as we have discussed here before, the whole idea of shared libraries is kind of a fucktarded version of 'global namespaces' [15:58]
mircea_popescu not ~really~. [15:59]
mircea_popescu and i base myself on the fact that they worked pretty well in practice until the new generation of "reformist" idiots got involved, and put 'locale' as a concept in c. [16:01]
mircea_popescu before that existed, python worked fine, and static builds were trhe default and so on. [16:01]
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mircea_popescu linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers. << kinda why everyone is reacting with so much disbelief at the sudden "this is not acceptable". they had been doing it forever, gavin as a marginally retarded peripheral agent of the idiocy got totally blindsided by an armed insurection. that we'd pursue it is i suppose plainly unthinkable, the sort of thing the rmcgraths of th [16:06]
mircea_popescu e world were dreaming about in their cells twenty years ago, like my grandfather looking at the sky waiting for "the americans" to show up. [16:06]
mircea_popescu this is also why poettering et all so plainly expected it to work etc/ [16:06]
mircea_popescu it all makes perfect sense, looking at it now. they look like patently insane if considered on the merits, but if considered culturally they are simply "i just work here" and "this is how the world works". about as insane as an ant. [16:07]
mircea_popescu and as decimation points out, yes we've agreed an ant's insane. [16:07]
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mircea_popescu the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column << you would have expected to read about it on his trilema, yes ? of what is this expectation built, if not out of the existence of trilema, and of the existence of mpoe-pr at my orders, and of the culture this engendered ? rms does not read trilema ; in his ignorance, trilema does not exist and same thing can not be rep [16:09]
mircea_popescu roduced for "reasons". and so he is in the unenviable position of one whom we do not doubt that behaves as one that is guilty - ie, must have known, said nothing ever. [16:09]
mircea_popescu is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp? << o.O [16:10]
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mircea_popescu "The exchange sheds further light on the latest work" << yeah. it sheds the following light : "work" by these wankers consists these days of outputting random strings from pre-made texts and trying to do a cute seleciton thereof. [16:11]
mircea_popescu it's so wrong it's not even cargo cult. [16:12]
asciilifeform thing is still running in (short) bursts, as before. [16:13]
asciilifeform plenty of outright disconnects, too [16:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea. [16:13]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 18:04:02; asciilifeform: can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this [16:13]
asciilifeform 209209. [16:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's been in my head for a while now. [16:14]
mircea_popescu can this actually work for 1.1 ie next version ? [16:14]
mircea_popescu have a -checkpoint=111 -checkpointe=113 which takes blocks 111 to 113 hashes them dumps hash. [16:14]
asciilifeform really shouldn't be hard. when commanded, will piss out ascii text with block # <<>> hash [16:14]
mircea_popescu aye [16:14]
mircea_popescu to think that it's not already in there for crying out loud. [16:16]
mircea_popescu how have i lived before ? [16:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes. [16:16]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing. [16:16]
asciilifeform other thing, that will have to be added, imho, asap, is a non-retarded version of 'connect' [16:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism. [16:17]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:46; asciilifeform: that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable [16:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform also 1.1 ideally yes. [16:17]
asciilifeform where 1) can -connect to *multiple* boxes 2) does not as result wall off from inbound connections [16:17]
asciilifeform say i wanna cycle between mircea_popescu's 3 boxen [16:17]
mircea_popescu 1 before 2, yes. [16:17]
mircea_popescu the entire idea of what we are building here is NODE HIERARCHY. [16:18]
asciilifeform or say i wanna permit inbounds from lusers but never getblocks() from them [16:18]
mircea_popescu which is to say, i wish my node to connect only to people on THIS list, and let anyone connect to it. [16:18]
decimation asciilifeform: what about connecting something to a running bitcoind, siphoning off blocks as they are 'validated'? [16:18]
decimation re-index into sane database [16:18]
mircea_popescu then the ability of the wankers to poison the chain becomes nil : sure, whatever nodes listen to them listen to them. the infrastructure does not. [16:18]
asciilifeform decimation: that's plain old -connect [16:18]
asciilifeform decimation: or if you meant some oddball 'embrace & extend' of the sync protocol - yeah, we'll probably get there eventually [16:19]
decimation yeah I guess that's kinda what I mean [16:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180438 << this would be so fucking great if it's the case. [16:19]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 18:11:44; asciilifeform: and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand [16:19]
mircea_popescu those poor schmucks imagine. [16:19]
decimation implant probes into bitcoind to suck out its blocks [16:19]
mircea_popescu they had to murder the connection to buy themselves another 16 hours, because OMFG THEY'RE DOING WHAT ?!?!? NOW ?!?! [16:20]
mircea_popescu and now have to work it [16:20]
mircea_popescu ahhhh [16:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if enemy action indeed rather than the net being a ruinous ball of yarn - they were probably fuzzing for various protocol boojums [16:20]
asciilifeform of course, plain old reroute for snorting with derelict infrastructure would have similar 'molasses' effect.. [16:21]
asciilifeform ^ the most likely picture [16:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180453 << i use the same thing. co2 doesn't bother me much, however, i will go into the ss before i put up with that sort of wrist vibration. [16:21]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower [16:21]
mircea_popescu i intend to remain able to type my entire lifespan. [16:21]
decimation well, the other reason I use electric: one less engine to maintain [16:22]
asciilifeform what kind of grass mircea_popescu cuts in his flat, lol [16:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in timisoara i had a garden recall ? [16:22]
asciilifeform aha! [16:22]
asciilifeform yes. [16:22]
mircea_popescu well, that. [16:22]
decimation no gas to store, no oil to change, etc [16:22]
mircea_popescu and it was about 1/4 ton of grass each cutting. [16:22]
mircea_popescu which means about 20 in a year, which the neighbours helpfully PUT OUTSIDE BY THEIR DUMPSTERS. [16:22]
mircea_popescu then went to supermarket and bought feed for the poor yard. [16:23]
asciilifeform l0l [16:23]
mircea_popescu then they will wish to know why isis comes and beheads them [16:23]
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mircea_popescu and it will be an unexpolainable hatred, i'm sure. [16:23]
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decimation mircea_popescu: generally here the received wisdom is that you want to leave grass clippings on the lawn [16:24]
* asciilifeform bbl, playing with pet [16:24]
decimation rots, recycles nutrients [16:24]
mircea_popescu decimation what i did was pile it all in a corner. [16:24]
mircea_popescu also rots. also provides nutrients. can be split up over the yard beforer first snow. [16:25]
decimation yeah, that works too [16:25]
mircea_popescu also attracts birds. [16:25]
decimation you can add kitchen scraps and wood clippings, make good compost [16:25]
mircea_popescu ideally you start it with a good offering of herbivore droppings. [16:25]
decimation that's a good idea [16:26]
mircea_popescu and i did add the wood clippings, ie, me cutting off an apple and a pear tree into shape over a coupla years, after having been neglected for 5ish [16:26]
decimation I've also heard of going to the nearest swamp and grabbing the muck [16:26]
mircea_popescu not very useful, for your thing will not be either that wet or that basic. very acidic [16:26]
mircea_popescu horsesht the only way to go. [16:27]
decimation yeah that's a good idea [16:27]
decimation ^ note that this is how people made fertiziler since the dawn of time [16:27]
mircea_popescu just don't put anything coniferous / wallnut in there. [16:27]
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mircea_popescu like the ornamental tree stuffs. [16:28]
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mircea_popescu "You don't have to boot frmo the CDROM. And if you need a router you have a network and therefore can connect to another machine." [16:30]
mircea_popescu Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:38:56 -0700 [16:30]
mircea_popescu imo nsa of 1999 was much better organised than the crap of today. [16:30]
mircea_popescu For instance: #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { printf ("Hello World
"); } compiles to 985,018 bytes. This is almost all libc overhead.
[16:31]
mircea_popescu what is it by now ? 4mb ? [16:31]
decimation heh [16:32]
decimation it's only 8.3k on mac osx [16:34]
mircea_popescu that's pretty good. [16:34]
decimation 6.4kbyte on redhat 6 [16:36]
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decimation that's shared linking though [16:38]
mircea_popescu nonono, static [16:38]
decimation heh 743kbyte on redhat [16:40]
mircea_popescu mmkay. [16:40]
mircea_popescu incredible that this "free world" thing has waited patiently, and incredibly quietly, for 25 years for us to show up. i imagine it will be very hurt in its hopes and aspirations when i spit in its mouth. [16:41]
mircea_popescu because truly, it was waiting for salvation! resisting through culture! [16:41]
mircea_popescu they really did mean to assassinate hitler! [16:41]
mircea_popescu just biding their time, waiting for a good opportunity, honest! wanted to do maximum damage, and as we all know, ~MAXIMUM~ damage is always in the future. [16:42]
mircea_popescu what's needed is a fucking ISCS. the intellectual state of computer science. [16:43]
decimation heh [16:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37819 @ 0.00040263 = 15.2271 BTC [+] {2} [16:49]
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punkman ...and banks closed for a week, maybe. [17:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.0003933 = 16.263 BTC [-] [17:10]
punkman also first jackpot yesterday, burglars got away with some guy's safe containing 700k in cash/jewelry [17:10]
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asciilifeform 214873. [17:39]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180504 << still need it, to, e.g., keep lusers from taking shits into the mempool [17:41]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 19:13:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism. [17:41]
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chetty asciilifeform, if my node only connects to your node mempool is safe right [18:17]
asciilifeform whose ? [18:17]
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chetty mine [18:34]
asciilifeform depends on who got to crap in mine, doesnit. [18:34]
chetty yes [18:34]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes. << not jam tomorrow, then? [18:41]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing. [18:41]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: Misbehaving is p lulzy [18:50]
ben_vulpes great enumeration of badness [18:50]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180453 <<< electric mower and whipper snipper seems like a recipe for trouble [18:52]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower [18:52]
mats i dun even have a lawn [18:54]
mats and i am glad [18:54]
cazalla i wish i could mow the lawn every day [18:55]
mats what are we talking about now [18:56]
ben_vulpes caz has a shaving fetish, gets razor burn, tries not to cry, cries a lot [18:57]
mats pretty tame compared to mp's interests [18:58]
cazalla a shaving fetish.. that's a first.. gotta google this one [18:59]
cazalla who would've guessed.. manshavingfetish.blogspot.com.au [19:00]
ben_vulpes heh. [19:00]
ben_vulpes rule 48. [19:00]
cazalla seriously though, i enjoy mowing the lawn, that fresh cut look, the smell, the goodies for my compost [19:00]
mats i dunno what i expected when i clicked that [19:01]
mats insta regret [19:02]
cazalla mats, just don't drop dead in front of PC with that page open eh [19:02]
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mats "There are still too many people out there who think (or even insist) that static linking has benefits. This has never been the case and never will be the case." this guy... [19:15]
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trinque a yard sale was selling a mac performa for five bucks... so now I own one of those [19:41]
* trinque shrugs [19:41]
trinque maybe fun for old mac games [19:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30388 @ 0.00040896 = 12.4275 BTC [+] [19:42]
trinque hypercard "player" ? [19:47]
trinque wtf is this shit [19:47]
asciilifeform trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658 [19:47]
assbot Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXIxoO ) [19:47]
asciilifeform get the real one [19:47]
asciilifeform (as seen in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 ) [19:47]
assbot Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXIx8g ) [19:47]
trinque sweet, ty [19:48]
cazalla dat wicked sense of humour https://twitter.com/abuuomar428/status/614714028368232448 [19:50]
trinque asciilifeform: it does seem as per your write-up, that there was a far more inventive apple once upon a time, which jobs put to a stop in favor of iOS appification [19:51]
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asciilifeform trinque: hypercard was written by 1 guy [19:51]
asciilifeform (initially) [19:51]
asciilifeform so not 'more inventive apple' [19:51]
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trinque ah [19:51]
asciilifeform just less actively retarded [19:51]
trinque would this one take that microexplorer card? [19:52]
trinque not that I've been able to find one anywhere online [19:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00039412 = 1.6356 BTC [-] [19:53]
asciilifeform microexplorer ? [19:53]
trinque lisp machine board for the mac of some sort [19:54]
asciilifeform you may be thinking of symbolics's 'macivory' [19:54]
asciilifeform you can get these from dave schmidt, virginia, usa [19:54]
trinque that's another I think [19:55]
asciilifeform 'explorer' was the crappy texas instruments lispm [19:55]
asciilifeform (they were among the original mit licensees, yes) [19:55]
trinque http://lemonodor.com/archives/2002/10/ti_microexplore.html [19:55]
assbot Lemonodor: TI microExplorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJR8qc ) [19:55]
trinque ah k [19:55]
asciilifeform it is barely a step above the original 'cadr' machine [19:55]
asciilifeform 'macivory' was on the other hand pretty much as good as it got [19:55]
trinque only purpose of this archaelogical dig is my own historical education [19:55]
asciilifeform http://www.symbolics-dks.com << if you want one, talk to this fella [19:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJR9KV ) [19:55]
asciilifeform it'll be somewhere south of 2k usd [19:56]
asciilifeform (last i checked. which was some years ago.) [19:56]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've used a couple. I like the strong lines they put in the grass, but they cut so short [20:27]
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trinque ah turns out it had an original hypercard already on there from 1996 [20:52]
trinque and flying toasters! [20:58]
trinque what else does a guy need [20:58]
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ben_vulpes trinque: does it have 'naughty dog' as well? [21:08]
trinque ben_vulpes: nah this version of after dark only has 5 screen savers [21:12]
trinque no naughty dog, no lawn mower man [21:12]
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ben_vulpes disappointing. [21:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00041034 = 5.7858 BTC [+] {2} [21:22]
ben_vulpes http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << "resistance through culture" [21:30]
assbot How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoFuk0 ) [21:30]
ben_vulpes ? [21:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.0004107 = 2.033 BTC [+] {2} [21:31]
mats http://www.securitytube.net/video/13389 [21:41]
assbot Circle City Con 2015 - Analyzing The Entropy Of Document Hidden Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoGch2 ) [21:41]
* BingoBoingo building stator on HUGEfreetop. Just set freetop up with Linux Mint 17.1 because lazy [21:42]
* asciilifeform prepares to release mighty cool thing [21:46]
mats BingoBoingo: do ya have a pogo yet? [21:48]
BingoBoingo mats: Not yet. I prolly ought to get on that soon [21:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40054 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0965 BTC [-] {2} [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00003331 = 3.331 BTC [-] {13} [21:53]
mats did anyone ever buy a pallet of em or whatever the plan was? [21:54]
BingoBoingo Someone may have? [21:54]
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mats i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one [21:54]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [21:55]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: [21:55]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000103.html [21:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHhFS ) [21:55]
asciilifeform '(EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor' [21:55]
mats would love to read the code and assist in other ways but am occupied atm [21:55]
mats http://netsectldr.postach.io [21:56]
assbot mubix [21:56]
mats r/netsec roundup podcast [21:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu asked for this (after mircea_popescu asked, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180491 ) [21:56]
assbot Logged on 28-06-2015 19:09:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea. [21:56]
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asciilifeform here it is. [21:57]
asciilifeform now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' ! [21:57]
asciilifeform after that, one could sync over 'netcat' [21:58]
asciilifeform (if suicidally brave) [21:58]
asciilifeform at line speed. [21:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00039403 = 17.1009 BTC [-] {2} [22:00]
asciilifeform and iirc the BuildMerkleTree() is not necessary [22:01]
ben_vulpes yaay! [22:05]
ben_vulpes dude i've prayed for a thing like this for some time [22:06]
* asciilifeform confirmed that merkletree is not needed [22:06]
asciilifeform for this [22:06]
ben_vulpes what's with the odd indentation on 35/6? [22:07]
asciilifeform no idea [22:08]
asciilifeform all looks same on my emacs [22:08]
ben_vulpes i see a tab on 36 [22:08]
ben_vulpes not that it matters i don't imagine [22:08]
asciilifeform which one's that [22:09]
ben_vulpes line number of patch [22:09]
ben_vulpes let's fight about whitespace rules [22:09]
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trinque this whole concept of "website" is fucking stupid [22:12]
trinque I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out [22:13]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [22:13]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: [22:13]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000104.html [22:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoIsox ) [22:13]
asciilifeform '(CORRECTED) (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor' [22:13]
ben_vulpes trinque: wotclassifieds! [22:15]
ben_vulpes gribble did this. [22:15]
trinque ben_vulpes: had a vague thought re: putting buys/sells in the blockchain somehow [22:15]
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ben_vulpes NO [22:16]
trinque yus [22:16]
ben_vulpes just say no. [22:16]
trinque I can put whatever I like in the blockchain [22:16]
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ben_vulpes pissing in mother crypto. [22:17]
ben_vulpes anyways asciilifeform if you care there are still misalignments [22:17]
* trinque goes off to encode dickbutt.jpg as transaction outputs [22:17]
ben_vulpes dickbutt.ascii hyuuuu [22:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: fix it yourself. this can be part of you signing the thing 'i read it...' [22:18]
ben_vulpes as i said: 'if you care' [22:18]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180722 << have you tried buying from the fella who is living in a warehouse full of'em ? [22:20]
assbot Logged on 29-06-2015 01:09:31; trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out [22:20]
mircea_popescu ago [22:21]
mircea_popescu heya [22:21]
asciilifeform ^ there he is! [22:21]
trinque asciilifeform: I'll e-mail him, but read chatter from the last few years about not getting replies from the guy [22:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu we have blockshitter [22:21]
trinque 2k's outside the historic artifact collection budget for now [22:21]
trinque saw somebody snagged one for about 600 [22:21]
trinque maybe five years ago [22:21]
asciilifeform trinque: macivory ? [22:21]
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trinque believe it was, yeah [22:22]
trinque somebody sold one on ebay [22:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sorry ? [22:22]
asciilifeform oh and it only works in certain macs, with certain videoboards [22:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see log. new patch [22:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: does the thing we spoke of [22:23]
asciilifeform craps out block x on demand [22:23]
mircea_popescu o hey [22:23]
trinque asciilifeform: since the performa in question was five bucks, I wont be too sad if it ends up in the garbage [22:23]
asciilifeform trinque: dks used to supply the mac and video board to go with it, when you bought from him [22:23]
trinque seems the other route is finding an alpha machine [22:23]
asciilifeform trinque: i'm sitting on a stack of those [22:23]
asciilifeform trinque: you can have one for the cost of postage [22:24]
trinque oh? I'd be interested in that. [22:24]
asciilifeform (pgpgram if interested) [22:24]
trinque k [22:24]
asciilifeform would need to dust it off, see if still runs [22:24]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell agorecki how's the learning coming along ? [22:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:32]
asciilifeform $ sha512sum 217040.bin [22:33]
asciilifeform 580c13b6492b526d2564398e5f28d17aa4d2e97c3321aa47908bf02da12237425cb0c17e6fdfbab1f347d5c4e1851c96b1e0ee36c088b18ae4ef3ed6e5bd1099 [22:33]
asciilifeform ^ example, freshly pulled from mircea_popescu's box [22:33]
asciilifeform oops [22:33]
asciilifeform forgot the [22:33]
asciilifeform ./bitcoind dumpblock 217040 217040.bin [22:33]
asciilifeform anyway, pretty obvious how to use. [22:34]
asciilifeform why this was not included from day 1, who can say. [22:34]
ben_vulpes it'd make introspection easy! [22:35]
* asciilifeform waits to learn what cthonian horrors will be uncovered by folks using this item [22:35]
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asciilifeform in principle, when we get 'eatblock' it will be possible to pass around a 'naked' blockchain with upper bound of its mass being $blockheight MB [22:38]
asciilifeform (less, with compression) [22:39]
asciilifeform i'm not thrilled with the idea of folks doing this as daily practice [22:39]
asciilifeform because it sorta defeats the whole point of a p2p gizmo [22:39]
asciilifeform but there is a time and place for it [22:40]
trinque asciilifeform: sent [22:42]
asciilifeform trinque: will answer when i wake up [22:43]
trinque k, no rush [22:43]
trinque and I appreciate it [22:43]
trinque if it doesn't work or ya decide you want the box yourself, no worries [22:44]
asciilifeform np [22:44]
asciilifeform i already have some [22:44]
asciilifeform trinque: btw, it is my understanding that most of the opengenera enthusiasts are using the 'snap4' unofficial warez x86-64 port now [22:45]
asciilifeform trinque: i'd suggest trying that one on for size before resorting to archaeological dig [22:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25597 @ 0.00041111 = 10.5232 BTC [+] {2} [22:45]
trinque k [22:46]
trinque maybe that's one I tried a while back in kvm [22:47]
* asciilifeform bbl [22:47]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well, yes, tomorrow. but can't hurt thinking about. [22:48]
BingoBoingo strator bitcoind built and running up to block 45000 [22:50]
* ben_vulpes sighs [22:51]
ben_vulpes scratches through shitpile for 'jam today' tickets [22:51]
ben_vulpes in other news [22:51]
ben_vulpes libboost-all-dev << what is this horror [22:51]
ben_vulpes how would i see what this thing contains [22:52]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45864.0 << for the sake of lulz [23:10]
assbot 100 (25+25+40+10) BTC Bounty: Blkindex.dat Rebuild Function & others ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkpvG ) [23:10]
decimation "It?s as though Americans are buying into a fast-talking sales pitch without being allowed to read the print, whether it?s large print or small." [23:12]
* assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel [23:12]
mircea_popescu !up agorecki [23:13]
-assbot- You voiced agorecki for 30 minutes. [23:13]
* assbot gives voice to agorecki [23:13]
gabriel_laddel Lord Vulpes's Academy for Gifted Youngsters? [23:13]
gabriel_laddel Vulpes Academy? [23:13]
gabriel_laddel Hmm [23:13]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah that's the kind of patch I was implying [23:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180690 << nice! [23:16]
assbot Logged on 29-06-2015 00:50:35; mats: i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one [23:16]
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ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: 'tain't about the youngsters except insofar as their parents are in the wot [23:16]
ben_vulpes anyways, i'm off to grill chicken and romp dog with other junior members of the clan [23:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180705 << no need to be suicidally brave. what it does is, "people's checkpoints". as in, anyone may run a bitcoin with a chain starting with an arbitrary block. [23:17]
assbot Logged on 29-06-2015 00:54:21; asciilifeform: (if suicidally brave) [23:17]
mircea_popescu sort of, everyone's a checkpoint manager. [23:17]
mircea_popescu or, "i don't give a shit about txn prior to X" [23:17]
ben_vulpes (^ more or less kills headers-first abomination) [23:18]
mircea_popescu incredible the amount of innovation simply sprouting forth from the ground once someone says "nobody asked you anything" @ the usual barnacles. [23:19]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: so there will be no making a (slight) profit educating other's youngsters? [23:20]
gabriel_laddel pity [23:20]
mircea_popescu the profit is to be made in flesh. [23:21]
* mircea_popescu contemplates a future where the only tuition is prostitution. [23:21]
ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: the profit is in amortized costs of education over wot [23:21]
gabriel_laddel I see. [23:22]
ben_vulpes anyways, out for real now. [23:22]
gabriel_laddel I'd sort of imagined the camus as a set of WoT-enabled buildings. [23:22]
gabriel_laddel In maybe Beijing, Tel Aviv, Seoul [23:22]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel think about it. why would you want to spend time with an idiot if you're not fucking her. and what else is an idiot if not one in dire need of some education. [23:22]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: there are not many real people in my locale that I get to play with :/ [23:25]
mircea_popescu virtual educations are like virtual machines. [23:25]
gabriel_laddel ? [23:25]
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mircea_popescu cheap, dispensable solutions you can't rely on. [23:25]
gabriel_laddel also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members [23:25]
gabriel_laddel My impression of Vulpes Academy was that it would have a physical manifestation. [23:27]
gabriel_laddel Sort of like a club for kids whose parents are on the up and up [23:27]
gabriel_laddel with a library [23:27]
gabriel_laddel and a lab [23:27]
gabriel_laddel and visiting instructors [23:27]
mircea_popescu how about you educate your children pre-puberty, and whoever they feel like educates them post ? [23:28]
mats lol what [23:28]
mircea_popescu there is really no substance to the institution of marriage outside of this. [23:28]
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gabriel_laddel hmmm... [23:28]
mats 22:21:54 <+gabriel_laddel> also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members << you adopting asians now? [23:28]
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gabriel_laddel mats: someone has to bribe fab operators. [23:29]
mats get back to me in a few years, huh [23:29]
gabriel_laddel mats: lol, I need to be adopted, not the other way around. [23:30]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: It seems to me that the academy should educate kids of ages 15 and older, so you have something to work with. [23:31]
mircea_popescu a) you can't educate "a class". individuals only ; b) you can't educate people you don't, most intimately, know ; c) there's no education outside of the educated's choice. [23:32]
gabriel_laddel "we assume you can read, write and do simple mathematics - now build some rockets and jungle IC on the cheap" [23:32]
mircea_popescu so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need. [23:32]
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asciilifeform anybody build that thing ? [23:33]
decimation I was gonna, but gave up trying to get the pile of dependent patches [23:33]
asciilifeform decimation: you can use my tree from last night [23:34]
asciilifeform it's in the tarball [23:34]
decimation oh I thought that was just the binary [23:34]
decimation I'll start it [23:34]
asciilifeform for testing only [23:34]
asciilifeform naturally [23:34]
mircea_popescu http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << not a bad read actually. [23:35]
assbot How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkDTM ) [23:35]
mircea_popescu "The fuel, as usual, is the emotional blackmail of people of goodwill, the uses of mass mobilization to exploit that goodwill, then, finally, to render all such goodwill meaningless." [23:35]
asciilifeform incidentally, anybody who wants can now easily serve http://yourthing/blocks/x [23:35]
mircea_popescu yes. empty "goodwill" is closer to a crime than to a good thing. [23:35]
cazalla http://www.baldursgate.com/ ermagawd 10 day count down to something.. bg3 [23:37]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180855 << the non-gay mathematicians et al will have problems with this algo [23:37]
assbot Baldur's Gate ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkEHa ) [23:37]
assbot Logged on 29-06-2015 02:28:44; mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need. [23:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform most mathematicians hate teaching anyway [23:38]
gabriel_laddel lol [23:38]
asciilifeform somebody's gotta teach the damn stuff [23:38]
mircea_popescu because why ? [23:38]
asciilifeform ditto engineering, programming, etc [23:38]
gabriel_laddel EVERYTHING MUST REVOLVE AROUND SEX ALL THE TIME [23:38]
mircea_popescu if nobody had taught poettering how to write, the loss ? [23:38]
asciilifeform the better schools use a kind of 'riker's island' approach anyway [23:39]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel your protest is not unlike protesting everything on earth gotta spin around the sun. [23:39]
mircea_popescu society is built on fucking. [23:39]
asciilifeform 'listen maggots, in six weeks come back with a basic unix' [23:39]
gabriel_laddel I'm not protesting, just noting that perhaps not everyone is *quite* as sexually driven as yourself . [23:39]
mircea_popescu why do you think i myself have anything to do with it ? [23:40]
mircea_popescu it is with great sorrow i say the above, no sort of anticipation. [23:40]
gabriel_laddel Hrm. Perhaps I should have said "not everyone sees everything through the lense of sexual attraction constantly" - myself being a prime example. [23:41]
mircea_popescu that'd be a problem of poor sight. [23:42]
gabriel_laddel And the probably also the straight(?) mathematican I had a conversation with last weekend. [23:42]
mircea_popescu "I think the reason there is so little “comedy” that’s funny today is the genre itself has been hijacked by the humorless PC crowd." <<-->> http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ [23:43]
assbot "Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0c4Ym ) [23:43]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel the notion that one can educate outside of a sexual context is not unlike the notion that one can write code without reading any. [23:43]
mircea_popescu you know... for kids! [23:43]
gabriel_laddel What. [23:44]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> anybody build that thing ? << i did try to build your "stator" tarball from lastnight. i provisioned a new deb6 with glibc/gcc-4.5.4, had some issues, never was able to build whole orchestra. I think its perhaps system related. [23:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one can educate in a brutalizing/disciplinarian context [23:44]
gabriel_laddel I've *never* slept with anyone I've learned from. [23:44]
asciilifeform (as in army) [23:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform brutality is purely sexual. [23:44]
asciilifeform what was the sexual element in 'come back with operating system in 6 weeks or go flip burgers' ? [23:44]
mod6 I have to pull up from this and work on the SoBA now. Otherwise would have normally given you all kinds of dpastes/asked for help. But instead, I'm just going to look back into this after the start of the month. I hope that's alright. [23:45]
asciilifeform mod6: no hurry [23:45]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel's committing this error where he's proposing that since he's not fucking the girl, he's not in love with her ; asciilifeform is committing this error where since there was a building in the vicinity of the learning, the building is now a school. [23:45]
mircea_popescu these are unsubstantial, purely nominalist problems [23:45]
* asciilifeform can sorta see where mircea_popescu is going [23:46]
mod6 Ok, I'll for sure revisit this after the doc is done. I think this one is gonna be lengthy, just wanna make sure I get that done. [23:46]
gabriel_laddel toodles [23:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00041039 = 6.279 BTC [-] [23:48]
mircea_popescu Along these lines, Meerloo offers a prescription: “We must learn to treat the demagogue and aspirant dictator in our midst just as we should treat our external enemies in a cold war – with the weapon of ridicule. The demagogue himself is almost incapable of humor of any sort, and if we treat him with humor, he will begin to collapse. Humor is, after all, related to a sense of perspective. If we can see how things s [23:48]
mircea_popescu hould be, we can see how askew they can get, and we can recognize distortion when we are confronted with it.” << for the record, this is rank nonsense. it only seems to work because americans are the worst of all german stocks - incredibly stolid, unhumorous fellows. [23:48]
mircea_popescu societies exhibiting an incredibly exacerbated "making fun" cancer have been recorded. they still have the same problems with demagogues and peoples' general emotional insanity. humor is no panacea. [23:49]
mircea_popescu that said, it'd be incredible cultural progress for the us if it actually was a little funnier. [23:49]
mircea_popescu the only stable solution is in any case willing submitting to chosen people. and there should be no room for "state" anywhere once that's done. [23:50]
* asciilifeform just heard, at close range - out of window - a bird devoured by cat. nature's music. [23:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so the bad news is that it looks like node will be off for something like 24 hours. [23:56]
mircea_popescu but hopefully this fixes the nonsense. [23:56]
asciilifeform no spares yet ? [23:56]
asciilifeform and did mircea_popescu ever learn of a cause for the nonsense in question ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu (note that at the current rate, it'd have been a lifetime) [23:56]
mircea_popescu well not yet, no. [23:56]
asciilifeform i'd have tried tunneling 8333 from some very distant place [23:57]
asciilifeform and connecting through that [23:57]
mircea_popescu any improvement ? [23:57]
asciilifeform well, let 213.130.38.26 et al chew on a crypted turdstream [23:58]
BingoBoingo strator built now passed block 123455 [23:58]
mircea_popescu o hey wd bb! [23:58]
asciilifeform stator? [23:59]
BingoBoingo That [23:59]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: where did you build it ? [23:59]
BingoBoingo Built on the Phreetop running linux Mint 17.1 (because lazy) [23:59]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: tried the block dumper patch yet ? [23:59]
asciilifeform applies cleanly to same tree [23:59]
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