Forum logs for 27 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [00:00]
gribble Current Blocks: 362724 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 155 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [00:00]
decimation ;;ticker [00:01]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.04, Best ask: 243.13, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 243.13, 24 hour volume: 10324.91808216, 24 hour low: 240.61, 24 hour high: 243.9, 24 hour vwap: None [00:01]
mircea_popescu no changes eh. [00:01]
decimation so much for bitcoin instability [00:01]
decimation it's more stable than eurusd [00:01]
mircea_popescu heh [00:03]
mircea_popescu well, it's for sure more stabilizing. [00:03]
mircea_popescu so yea. [00:03]
asciilifeform << how many 'keybases' are there even. [00:05]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 01:09:10; mats: hue [00:05]
asciilifeform does every derpatron have its own [00:05]
decimation asciilifeform: if done in javascript it's not immediately stupid [00:06]
decimation other than "why?" [00:06]
asciilifeform immediately stupid in the same way keybase is [00:07]
decimation it's possible it doesn't upload the privkey immediate [00:07]
asciilifeform doesn't need to [00:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00040718 = 3.7868 BTC [-] [00:07]
asciilifeform 1) did you read the thing. ~every time you loaded it~ 2) does your browser access /dev/random ? [00:07]
decimation yeah I was about to ask where the entropy for the rng comes from [00:08]
decimation don't tell me it's from server [00:08]
mircea_popescu ;) [00:10]
asciilifeform << this is ~not~ in 0.5.3. it had only '-noirc', default off. [00:10]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ? [00:10]
mircea_popescu ah did it ? [00:10]
asciilifeform aha [00:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: [00:11]
assbot Satoshi ... ( ) [00:11]
asciilifeform and [00:12]
assbot Satoshi ... ( ) [00:12]
mircea_popescu aha [00:12]
* asciilifeform is not proud of having that thing live in his head now - it's gotta be good for something like mental equivalent of 'black lung disease' - but it can be handy [00:13]
mircea_popescu << quick and dirty census off a few hours of a single node running. [00:15]
assbot dpaste: 14HRFX8 ... ( ) [00:15]
mircea_popescu version 70002 - 50 version 70001 - 9 version 60001 - 9 version 60000 - 1 Total - 69 [00:15]
asciilifeform << server side! [00:15]
assbot PGP Key Generator - iGolder [00:15]
asciilifeform did nobody ~read~ the src! [00:15]
asciilifeform l0ltr0n1c! [00:16]
mircea_popescu (server itself is declaring 60001, and im unsure what the foundation nodes will say. 50001 maybe ?) [00:16]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: [00:18]
assbot bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { }: bitcoin/src/serialize.h Source File ... ( ) [00:18]
asciilifeform is what it'll say. [00:18]
asciilifeform see, www with src is handy [00:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16039 @ 0.00040718 = 6.5308 BTC [-] [00:18]
decimation asciilifeform: wait the server gens the whole key? [00:18]
mircea_popescu not the client version tho, the proto version. [00:19]
asciilifeform decimation: go, look [00:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform as there's two. "version" : 60200, "protocolversion" : 60001, for instance [00:22]
decimation asciilifeform: I don't see any crypto code in the javascript, but it's not a very familiar language. I do see an input form with a submit mechanism [00:22]
decimation < heh, even 'gay in tech' sam altman loses against sjw [00:26]
assbot Public speech is a bad idea | Bloody shovel ... ( ) [00:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00041304 = 9.9336 BTC [+] [00:27]
mircea_popescu "runs for them a short part of the way and for us the whole way". [00:27]
mircea_popescu the entire shitfest is going to be killed by its own methods. [00:27]
* mircea_popescu eagerly pushing the sword in every chance he gets. [00:28]
mircea_popescu singing "you've made your one nail bed, now lie in it" to a happy tune. [00:28]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, "We shall drown, and nobody will save us" is exactly right. they shall, drown. nobody will, save them. [00:29]
decimation well, his reasoning is sound, people have no business on twitter [00:30]
mircea_popescu he does not get to avail himself of this soundness. [00:30]
mircea_popescu he is part of the entire shebang pushing "twitter as a business - business as a twitter" [00:31]
mircea_popescu what's next, "quisling has a point - people should stand up for what they believe in" ? [00:31]
mircea_popescu not a point sam altman may ever have. his points, such as they are, must be of an entirely different nature. [00:32]
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decimation ah I thought you meant spandrell [00:32]
mircea_popescu a [00:32]
decimation yeah altman is getting his just deserts [00:33]
mircea_popescu i dunno about spandrell ever, but who cartes. "note that altman is gay in tech and that didn't save him" ? fu nutso boi. [00:33]
mircea_popescu s/ever/either/ [00:33]
decimation he's one of those on the fringe of the 'reactionaries' [00:34]
decimation I think he might actually live in china [00:34]
* mircea_popescu has no idea, so wont' comment. [00:35]
decimation he has some interesting posts relating chinese history: [00:36]
assbot Giving the handle | Bloody shovel ... ( ) [00:36]
decimation " [00:37]
decimation ?You don?t get it?, says General Wang. ?The emperor is a suspicious man. He doesn?t trust anyone. Right now I have under my command 600,000 men, the entire army of the country. Every once in a while he must be asking himself: ?What if this Wang Jian guy rebels against me??." [00:37]
decimation And even if he doesn?t ask himself, there?s always an annoying eunuch paid by a rival general trying to backstab me, saying that I am famous and honorable, and that the opposition might rally around me, that I?m too powerful and must be killed sooner rather than later. Only by openly displaying that I am a vile, corrupt character who only cares about money, can I make the king trust that I have no higher ambition.? [00:37]
decimation And so Wang Jian kept sending messenger asking for stuff, and the King never suspected his loyalty. He liked his pettiness. Wang Jian went forward to invade Chu, destroy its armies, capture his king, and annexed the country into the soon to be Qin Empire. He went back home, and very unusual in a famous general, died a peaceful death. [00:37]
mircea_popescu hehe [00:41]
decimation ^ the king (Ying Zheng) was the guy buried with a massive terra cotta army [00:41]
mircea_popescu aha [00:42]
decimation whose tomb is apparently still intact, and is rumored to contain an entire map of china with all the rivers made of mercury [00:43]
mircea_popescu mercury evaporates. [00:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32866 @ 0.000414 = 13.6065 BTC [+] {2} [00:45]
decimation apparently they don't wanna open the tomb until they can be sure they won't ruin it [00:45]
mircea_popescu aha. [00:45]
decimation heh from la wik: < "Mao Zedong, chairman of the People's Republic of China, was reviled for his persecution of intellectuals. On being compared to the First Emperor, Mao responded: "He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you ber [00:46]
assbot Qin Shi Huang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [00:46]
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mircea_popescu !up Saoquim [00:48]
-assbot- You voiced Saoquim for 30 minutes. [00:48]
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asciilifeform decimation: mega-emperor. to me he is ~the~ emperor of cn, very overworked subject in books on the place i had as a kid [00:56]
asciilifeform esp. re: the 'immortality' business [00:56]
decimation yeah, according to la wik the traditional historiography focuses on his immortality 'schemes' [00:56]
asciilifeform died, iirc, of one too many 'immortality pills' [00:56]
asciilifeform 'forever living' ! (tm) [00:57]
decimation yeah as i recall he took mercury pills [00:57]
decimation asciilifeform: did you even play 'romance of the three kingdoms' on nintendo? [00:57]
asciilifeform on emulator [00:58]
asciilifeform but - yes. [00:58]
decimation yeah, it was fun with a group [00:58]
decimation although the menu scroll became annoying [00:58]
asciilifeform it was one of the things that made me go 'folks played games on machines without keyboard ?!! how??!' [00:59]
decimation heh. 'we didn't know better' [01:01]
decimation although I also enjoyed several classic dos games like master of orion and x-wing [01:01]
asciilifeform to me, msdos was ~the~ games platform [01:01]
asciilifeform still is! [01:01]
decimation I believe early nintendo had keyboard (sold in japan) [01:01]
asciilifeform aha, 'famicom' [01:02]
decimation for some reason they declined to enter the 'cheap computer wars' [01:02]
asciilifeform when i heard of it, i couldn't help but parse it as 'famine' rather than the intended 'family' - console [01:02]
asciilifeform they declined to fight in the 8bit comp wars, and... we still have a nintendo co. to kick around [01:03]
asciilifeform unlike cbm, atari, et al [01:03]
asciilifeform (sega actually made a pc! with built-in 'genesis' ! and it even shared memory with the pc, somehow. unknown outside of jp) [01:04]
* decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games [01:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00041414 = 3.3338 BTC [+] [01:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21933 @ 0.00041414 = 9.0833 BTC [+] [01:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041414 = 1.698 BTC [+] [01:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19511 @ 0.00040704 = 7.9418 BTC [-] {2} [01:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00040449 = 12.4785 BTC [-] [01:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43031 @ 0.00040191 = 17.2946 BTC [-] {2} [01:49]
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mircea_popescu !up Bingo_bar [02:12]
-assbot- You voiced Bingo_bar for 30 minutes. [02:12]
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mircea_popescu !up chicago [02:16]
-assbot- You voiced chicago for 30 minutes. [02:17]
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Chicago Hey thanks, Whats the topic this hour? [02:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8415 @ 0.00040461 = 3.4048 BTC [+] [02:22]
mircea_popescu hm. nothing much. [02:24]
scoopbot_revived The actual state of the Bitcoin network [02:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00040513 = 4.6185 BTC [+] {2} [02:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040911 = 2.7819 BTC [+] {3} [02:55]
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cazalla bingo_bar ya should be drinking and chatting to the honeys not irc nerds [03:20]
mircea_popescu such as [03:26]
assbot ... ( ) [03:26]
cazalla nice big areola [03:27]
mircea_popescu "We write elegant and minimal apps that works. We develop web apps with Django framework." [03:35]
mircea_popescu << apparently this used to be a thing [03:37]
assbot newest submissions : ... ( ) [03:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3001 @ 0.00041738 = 1.2526 BTC [+] [03:53]
punkman [03:54]
assbot ... ( ) [03:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00041738 = 1.753 BTC [+] [04:02]
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punkman !up NewLiberty [04:11]
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punkman !up sinetek [04:13]
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cazalla [04:43]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] Upcoming DOS vulnerability announcements for Bitcoin Core ... ( ) [04:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00041738 = 10.7475 BTC [+] [04:47]
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punkman !up awokestillY2K [05:18]
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awokestillY2K thanks punk, rottentomatos is flagged too, loled on arnie [05:19]
punkman [05:23]
assbot Greece debt crisis: Tsipras announces bailout referendum - BBC News ... ( ) [05:24]
punkman apparently that's gonna cost about 100mil euros [05:24]
mircea_popescu what better use of money. [05:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00040854 = 6.6592 BTC [-] [05:32]
awokestillY2K [05:38]
assbot LOLAWOLF - Every Fuckin Day - YouTube ... ( ) [05:38]
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cazalla nice one america, now i'm gonna hear even more gay marriage bullshit downunder [05:41]
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cazalla not that i really give a fuck what a bunch of gender bender trans fluid unicorns do, just the fucking posturing "i'm sooo progressive look at moi, look at moi, look at moooi" [05:43]
awokestillY2K lol, who gives a fuck? [05:45]
punkman what if you are allergic to rainbows [05:46]
awokestillY2K aussie refferendum would cost n100 rainbows [05:46]
cazalla awokestillY2K, ya know this will be the hot topic the aus gov uses at the next election to pass the baton [05:47]
awokestillY2K bitcoin unaffected [05:47]
awokestillY2K you can thank your favourite god that noones forcing anyone to get married [05:49]
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cazalla !up awokestillY2K [05:50]
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cazalla u trollin' me vexual? [05:51]
awokestillY2K hell no [05:51]
awokestillY2K here im starting to work on 48 unit billable days tho [05:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68944 @ 0.000402 = 27.7155 BTC [-] {2} [05:52]
awokestillY2K im looking for ore to build u a 316 10kg machete [05:52]
cazalla i'm good machete wise [05:53]
awokestillY2K nuff said [05:53]
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awokestillY2K machetes are for plantlife kids, lets make that clear [06:04]
awokestillY2K thats not illegal yet? [06:05]
cazalla [06:06]
assbot Office of the Governor - Greg Abbott - [Press Release] Governor Abbott Statement On Supreme Court Ruling On Same-Sex Marriage ... ( ) [06:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00039718 = 11.4388 BTC [-] [06:07]
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awokestillY2K personally, i'd prefer law and religion separate [06:08]
awokestillY2K too many abbotts [06:09]
cazalla i'm hoping it will act as kindling [06:09]
awokestillY2K howso? [06:09]
cazalla more crazies doing their thing is how [06:11]
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awokestillY2K meh [06:15]
awokestillY2K seen dope(2015) yet? [06:18]
awokestillY2K whats mine is mine whats yours is yours [06:18]
cazalla nah, have not been to the cinemas in years [06:19]
awokestillY2K me neither [06:20]
awokestillY2K i did see madmax on someones recoommendatiuon [06:20]
awokestillY2K poor cunt spent half the movie with forks for teeth [06:21]
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cazalla fuck paying $25 to sit through 45m of commercials.. the fucking hide [06:22]
cazalla !up awokestillY2K [06:23]
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awokestillY2K i think i paid 8.50 [06:23]
cazalla independents bit too far for me to bother [06:24]
awokestillY2K check the xits for entry [06:24]
awokestillY2K youll rage tho [06:25]
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awokestillY2K if you're a madmax fan [06:29]
fluffypony cazalla: agreed [06:31]
awokestillY2K u seen it pony? [06:31]
fluffypony replaced our TV with a Canon WUX400ST [06:31]
awokestillY2K nevermind ill release the breeders [06:32]
fluffypony and got a Silver Ticket projector screen [06:32]
awokestillY2K not bothered [06:32]
fluffypony now there's no way I'm going to the movies again [06:32]
awokestillY2K i got stuck to the seat [06:32]
awokestillY2K waiting for 3d [06:33]
awokestillY2K oldman moved, tasty arrived [06:34]
awokestillY2K i dont see it [06:34]
cazalla can't see 3d.. took me something like 20 years to understand why i couldn't see those stereoscopic books as a kid too [06:34]
awokestillY2K its a schooner! [06:37]
cazalla ya drinking awokestillY2K ? [06:38]
awokestillY2K ^mallratz [06:39]
cazalla i'll take that as a yes (still sober this month) [06:39]
awokestillY2K im planning sober 2.0 [06:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17332 @ 0.00039868 = 6.9099 BTC [+] [06:40]
cazalla i'm thinking i'll refrain unless i make it myself.. have a guava here and in a few years time shahtoot mulberries should be big enough to make something [06:41]
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awokestillY2K bats rape mine [06:43]
cazalla put up some netting [06:43]
awokestillY2K [06:43]
assbot Awreeoh - Don't Get Deleted - YouTube ... ( ) [06:43]
cazalla we had possums.. had [06:43]
awokestillY2K fuck that, gotta pull the cunts out, hendra [06:43]
awokestillY2K rabies too [06:44]
awokestillY2K how to solve possum? [06:44]
cazalla ask them nicely to leave? [06:44]
awokestillY2K whats the purple bin for? [06:45]
cazalla nfi [06:46]
awokestillY2K [06:47]
assbot Coloured bins | Problems | Starts 9pm, Wednesday, 21 Nov 2012 on ABC1 - YouTube ... ( ) [06:47]
cazalla aww shit mate gotta put the bins out [06:48]
awokestillY2K lol [06:48]
awokestillY2K u should hear my recycling bin [06:49]
awokestillY2K breaking glass [06:49]
awokestillY2K neighbours know whats going on like ur dicks on tumbler [06:51]
cazalla nah, that bouncing sound [06:51]
awokestillY2K shit dont break [06:51]
cazalla one for you awokestillY2K [06:52]
assbot #ProudToLove - Celebrating Marriage Equality and LGBT Pride Month - YouTube ... ( ) [06:52]
awokestillY2K man i love rainbows as much as the next guy, but i like pussy [06:53]
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cazalla how self absorbed can one be to make a coming out video where you don't really come out to your parents but just send them a link to a video [06:55]
cazalla !up awokestillY2K [07:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00040982 = 9.6513 BTC [+] [07:01]
awokestillY2K does anyone not read ass these days? [07:02]
awokestillY2K [07:06]
assbot Snoop Dogg, Dr.Dre & Jewell - Just Dippin' - YouTube ... ( ) [07:06]
cazalla awokestillY2K, pic one [07:10]
assbot /b/ - Clothes on and off ... ( ) [07:10]
awokestillY2K you want me to quote on areolae? [07:11]
cazalla whatever takes your fancy [07:12]
awokestillY2K quick glance i see nothing [07:12]
cazalla half these women have shaving rash mind you, guess noone told em about wax [07:12]
awokestillY2K theres ;;lasers now [07:13]
awokestillY2K big in milan [07:13]
awokestillY2K !g japan gorilla [07:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00041392 = 17.0121 BTC [+] {2} [07:15]
cazalla damn this one used a broken bottle to shave [07:18]
assbot ... ( ) [07:18]
cazalla check the arms heh [07:18]
cazalla hairy, like animal! [07:20]
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awokestillY2K hey if you dont want a precise machete thats ur biz [07:21]
cazalla nothing like a bit of period on the thighs [07:22]
assbot ... ( ) [07:22]
awokestillY2K im orf to bali to buy cocaine from a north african and install the latest russian adobe update] [07:22]
awokestillY2K its all ruit, what else u got? [07:23]
awokestillY2K *ruin [07:23]
awokestillY2K [07:26]
assbot South Pacific: Bali Hai - 1949, Martin & Pinza - YouTube ... ( ) [07:26]
cazalla ya know that ukrainian doll never came back [07:26]
awokestillY2K which one? [07:26]
cazalla mfc [07:26]
awokestillY2K wha? [07:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29684 @ 0.0004134 = 12.2714 BTC [-] [07:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 99 @ 0.054 = 5.346 BTC [-] [07:27]
awokestillY2K shes prolly making more elsewhere [07:29]
awokestillY2K aint no crime [07:30]
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awokestillY2K oh [07:33]
cazalla shame that nearly all of 'em don't give as much as a smile [07:33]
awokestillY2K sorry, thats on me [07:34]
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assbot Bali High OST - "Bali High" [Official Video] - YouTube ... ( ) [07:34]
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awokestillY2K ^ [07:41]
cazalla !up sinetek [07:42]
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awokestillY2K !up sinetek [07:42]
cazalla ya know if you regged a fucking gpg key ya might be able to do that awokestillY2K [07:42]
awokestillY2K when eulora has instructions [07:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23989 @ 0.00041485 = 9.9518 BTC [+] {2} [07:44]
awokestillY2K whats ur story sinetek? [07:44]
cazalla awokestillY2K, it does [07:44]
awokestillY2K where? [07:44]
cazalla awokestillY2K, see it is already starting [07:45]
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awokestillY2K dafuq? [07:45]
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awokestillY2K 0 princesses [08:00]
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lobbesbot New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Heiko ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=30064771079 (Heiko ; ) [08:04]
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punkman lots of empty ATMs from what I hear [08:05]
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punkman !up awokestillY2K [08:14]
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awokestillY2K greek atms? [08:14]
punkman ye [08:14]
punkman also acquaintances told to come back monday when they tried to take out cash yesterday [08:15]
punkman before then announcement that is [08:15]
punkman *the [08:15]
awokestillY2K look on the bright side, youll prolly get cool aussie polymer notes u can swim wit [08:16]
awokestillY2K we're tight with the imf [08:16]
punkman gonna be a fun week I guess [08:16]
awokestillY2K !g red diamond [08:17]
awokestillY2K argyles autioning the reddest stone ever [08:17]
awokestillY2K shes in fashion [08:20]
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awokestillY2K euro was a fucked idea from day 1 [08:25]
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awokestillY2K really what r u selling? [08:26]
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awokestillY2K punkman might not care but erry useless cunt on the floor wants out [08:28]
awokestillY2K thats about right eh punk? [08:29]
punkman yeah everyone taking out their 500eur to keep under the mattress [08:29]
awokestillY2K meanwhile errone with a shed heres syntheticing diamonds [08:30]
punkman gonna be a great week for burglars [08:30]
awokestillY2K really? [08:30]
punkman well not hard to hide 10 bills, but I'm sure there'll be some jackpots [08:31]
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awokestillY2K wrong [08:32]
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punkman here ya go [08:34]
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awokestillY2K whats tyhis? [08:37]
awokestillY2K tastes like lamb goat [08:40]
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awokestillY2K where goat is best lamb,being most resourceful [08:43]
awokestillY2K i only eat the cheese, but still [08:44]
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awokestillY2K << [08:56]
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awokestillY2K senn dogg left after this [08:59]
awokestillY2K do you even mine? [09:02]
awokestillY2K pankkake? [09:02]
awokestillY2K back pon a forum [09:02]
awokestillY2K u think we dont wake up and check github? [09:03]
awokestillY2K we need u bruz [09:03]
awokestillY2K whatever [09:04]
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awokestillY2K u need to make you a sword? [09:11]
awokestillY2K i think i owe u 0.5 [09:11]
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awokestillY2K machete dont text [09:15]
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awokestillY2K and is heavy [09:15]
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awokestillY2K gookface gets +5 [09:15]
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punkman are those brainwallets [09:55]
BtQqZrS6gLw nah that kylie minogue circa '93 [09:56]
BtQqZrS6gLw 0 brain [09:56]
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doyouevenpan machete being the motherfuckinest [10:32]
doyouevenpan put the fuck on a horse hell inver and ride pon the belly strap [10:34]
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doyouevenpan u need a seamstress tape? [10:46]
doyouevenpan just go around! [10:46]
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mircea_popescu << i thought you didn't exist. [17:43]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80 [17:43]
mircea_popescu << hey could it link to the actual key page rather than the rss ? [17:44]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 18:08:28; lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) [17:44]
* asciilifeform asked this today.. [17:44]
mircea_popescu ah. [17:45]
mircea_popescu and in other news... 73. [17:45]
mircea_popescu Trustcenter_EU
; among the lulziest.
asciilifeform thrustcenter [17:45]
mircea_popescu lol [17:45]
asciilifeform << it's a hash. and chopping hashes is quite possibly how we ended up on planet with phuctorable keys in the first place! [17:47]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 20:07:59; jurov: asciilifeform stuff like this would deserve link shortener [17:47]
mircea_popescu heh [17:49]
jurov i see. full hashes should be used everywhere. except for btc-dev patches ;D [17:49]
mircea_popescu not like anyon ahahahaha zing [17:49]
mircea_popescu not like anyone types those by hand or tries to memorize them jurov [17:49]
mircea_popescu what's the actual ux case for shortening it. [17:49]
jurov btw, have you seen my conclusion that gpg signature does not contain anything useful? [17:49]
asciilifeform jurov: yes! [17:50]
asciilifeform jurov: you were quite right, it won't do, and i oughta have remembered this factoid [17:50]
mircea_popescu assbot: Unwind Better on the Balcony of This 1BR/1BA Apartment Today! <<< ahahaha omfg. [17:50]
asciilifeform but munged filenames still stink [17:50]
mircea_popescu i'd have so much trouble paying more than 4, maaaaybe 500 bucks for something like that.... [17:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 500 buys a doghouse here. don't even want to imagine what it buys on west coast usa [17:51]
jurov well. i am sending hashes in headers too, but getting anyone to use them... [17:51]
mircea_popescu << don't be a noob. dishes are merely the expansion of an invisible slave empire. if you have jets you better have slave hands to go to the farmer market, and to fill the dishes, anbd to wash the dishes. [17:52]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 18:56:30; asciilifeform: does jurov have dishes ? [17:52]
mircea_popescu jurov i suspect trhat is the correct approach : add to the header space. [17:52]
asciilifeform whatever happened to the dark future of robot slaves [17:52]
mircea_popescu fuck that. [17:53]
mircea_popescu figuratively speaking. [17:53]
asciilifeform see, i'm one of those weirdos who keeps, for instance, a computerized vacuum cleaner [17:53]
asciilifeform because 1) no i won't do it with bare hands 2) yes, could pay people, but i ~fucking hate people~ [17:53]
mircea_popescu in other news, omfg bitcoind is a hog. [17:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which one ? [17:54]
mircea_popescu the stock one. [17:54]
mircea_popescu we fucking forget. omfg the thing... no wonder nobody runs it. i doubt very much it can be run. like, at all. [17:54]
asciilifeform (yes, they're all porcine, but which hog? the little piglet, the muscular european boar, or the half-tonne monster fucked on midwest usa farms ..?) [17:54]
mircea_popescu i am looking at 10!!111 load on a 8 cpu, 32 gb raid ssd machine. [17:54]
asciilifeform it doesn't parallelize [17:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu oughtaknowthat [17:55]
mircea_popescu the cpu utilization is actually low, but the load is immense because i dunno wtf it does but something stupid. [17:55]
asciilifeform i/o [17:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, it's multithreaded doesn't parallelize :D [17:55]
mircea_popescu it's from teh future. [17:55]
asciilifeform there's precisely 1 thread that does actual werk [17:56]
asciilifeform (if you like thinking about scary dangerous forkz, picture changing this!) [17:56]
jurov mircea_popescu: did you publish your addy? it may be an attack [17:57]
mircea_popescu this is an unadvertised test run of various releases. [17:58]
jurov my 0.10 is chugging around on celeron+5400rpm spinning rot okay [17:58]
mircea_popescu the advertised seeder has been working more or less ok - it's not being attacked more than is implicit in the protocol lol. [17:58]
mircea_popescu something to the tune of 30ish connections, which seems reasonable for a day old peer. [17:58]
jurov o it still syncs? [17:59]
jurov lol no it actually died [18:00]
jurov 2015-06-27 19:30:42 ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool : nonstandard transaction: dust [18:00]
jurov 2015-06-27 19:30:48 ERROR: ReadBlockFromDisk : OpenBlockFile failed [18:00]
jurov ^last log before croaking [18:00]
asciilifeform << archaeological interest [18:00]
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mircea_popescu jurov so wait, is this your 0.10 that was working ok ? [18:01]
jurov was. [18:01]
mircea_popescu lol [18:01]
mircea_popescu "oh my computer is working fine with bitcoind stopped on it" [18:02]
mircea_popescu as an absolute prerequisite to any sort of block increase we ABSOLUTELY MUST clean up these shit-stables [18:02]
jurov it ran for months till hour and half ago [18:02]
jurov watching it restart... [18:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw in the spirit of the "connect" issue : having public and private data separate is iirc not supported STILL. you gotta keep the wallet.dat in same place you keep the blockchain. gold help you if you want it encrypted. [18:07]
asciilifeform wallet has to be sawn off as discussed in the past [18:08]
mircea_popescu this without going into why the wallet.dat, after being plaintext for a coupla years, was only half-ass encryupted. [18:08]
scoopbot_revived A second crack at that scary thing. [18:08]
asciilifeform anything short of that is waste of time [18:08]
asciilifeform (wallet on separate box, z80 if you like, etc) [18:08]
mircea_popescu wasn't trying to write policy, just bemoan existing insanity. [18:08]
asciilifeform if you just want it in some other dir, symlink... [18:09]
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mircea_popescu i just amply dislike ~the design~ of it. [18:10]
asciilifeform not even sure what there is to ~like~ in the design [18:10]
asciilifeform it successfully passes for microshit product, stylistically (and in many ways functionally) [18:10]
mircea_popescu << i have them too, the result is that i sometimes forget to sleep./ [18:11]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 19:04:04; asciilifeform: except that sometimes forget to wake up [18:11]
asciilifeform same effect here. [18:11]
asciilifeform and i don't have a clock (other than emacs clock) in the room either [18:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ahaha if it turns out this was actually written by poor ms indian slavebois, who kept anon simply because of the draconing IP contracts thery had signed... [18:11]
asciilifeform or buried alive with the thing [18:12]
asciilifeform egyptian-style [18:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a wonder i even managed to make the conference at all. i haven't had a watch or aty allcared about time in a decade. [18:12]
mircea_popescu at some point travelling i was like "fuck it, WHO CARES what time they thinkg it is." [18:12]
asciilifeform wat, mircea_popescu doesn't have a girl follow him around imitating clock hands with arms, legs...?! [18:12]
mircea_popescu nah. [18:12]
mircea_popescu there is a "no undies - i wanna be able to fondle your cunt" rule, but s'about all. [18:13]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i have nfi what you're proposing, but my thinking is that it's more expensive and less productive to think proactively rather than reactively. [18:14]
mircea_popescu once a bot or w/e goes off, we see what we do. before, we don't give a shit. [18:14]
* asciilifeform mumbles something about parachutes [18:14]
mircea_popescu this of course is painful for every good white boy to hear, as it's strictly antipattern and countercultural, [18:14]
mircea_popescu and im sure it exactly - irritates alf's parachutes. [18:14]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, there is great benefit to being antipattern countercultural when being a guerilla. [18:14]
asciilifeform of course folks often forget the other thing about the parachute thing - in sov army, they usedta make you sign it, 'i folded this parachute myself. signed, pvt. schmuck' [18:15]
mircea_popescu if it made sense to not be thus, you couldn't be, ~COULD NOT BE~ a guerilla if you wanted to [18:15]
mircea_popescu which is why gi joe is so useless in the field. [18:15]
mircea_popescu other than that, published code is a good idea, sure. but also - anything is its maker property, and the people in question makin things can best decide what to do with it. [18:16]
asciilifeform phun phakt: my father was conscripted into a parachutist regiment. and by that time (late '60s) schmucks were no longer! permitted to fold their own. [18:16]
asciilifeform sergeant folded. [18:16]
mircea_popescu i think most everyone's using github or w/e - but it wouldn't maybe be such a bad idea to start putting deeds out with the code bundles. with instructions. "run this so and so" [18:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform heh [18:16]
asciilifeform turned out, the 'fold your own' thing resulted in too many (from pov of command) splats. [18:17]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: deeds with code bundles and instructions makes sense. [18:17]
pete_dushenski and i have no qualms with reacting to circumstance, i'm more getting at : what's to be done with unassigned functions [18:18]
mircea_popescu pick a gun pick a post. [18:18]
mircea_popescu how every revolutionary war was ever won. [18:18]
pete_dushenski pick a gun, pick a post ? not familiar with this one [18:19]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: here's an unassigned gun for some eager fella: crap out an ibmpc buildroot for therealbitcoin. as in, something one could throw in the iso slot at a datacentre [18:19]
mircea_popescu a loosely maintained list of posts, and a loosely maintained list of "don't shoot that way dummy" makes sense, but s'about all. [18:19]
asciilifeform ideally, no install, just finds a block device and shits blockchain to it [18:19]
asciilifeform without asking questions [18:19]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: nvm, got the post-gun thing now [18:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know this isn't a random process. what makes you think it's for him ? [18:19]
asciilifeform it isn't [18:19]
asciilifeform just example! [18:20]
mircea_popescu aha. [18:20]
asciilifeform of an empty post [18:20]
mircea_popescu atm the entry level thing for coders is, "follow the pogo thing, build along, test cases etc". for non-coders is, qntra. [18:20]
mircea_popescu for artists i suppose it's eulora work etc. there's really no shortage o shit to do. [18:20]
mircea_popescu kinda why i keep asking people "who are you". nobody seems to ever be anyone, which is odd, but anyway. [18:21]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the ibmpc buildroot sounds like a spec for the 'trilema jobs board' [18:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is really asking'em 'кто ты по жизни' [18:21]
mircea_popescu aye. [18:22]
asciilifeform and they don't feel like answering, so we can sorta guess! [18:22]
mircea_popescu hehe wouldn't go that far [18:22]
mircea_popescu "the demands of meatspace readily overwhelm the demands of #bitcoin-assets" << this is everyone's own measure to measure. [18:22]
asciilifeform i propose the standard unit of measure be '1 moiety' [18:22]
pete_dushenski insert "may" in there, mentally [18:22]
asciilifeform large unit, like farad [18:22]
mircea_popescu i don't see why i'd want to have an equivalent of the mcd supervisor, calling people at home to remind them they work. [18:23]
mircea_popescu just not what this thing's supposed to be, in my dreams. [18:23]
pete_dushenski well, people still need incentives [18:24]
pete_dushenski sometimes financial, sometimes honourary, sometimes a million other things in a million other ways [18:24]
mircea_popescu yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea. [18:25]
mircea_popescu because the only thing it does is select for and breed rats. [18:25]
mircea_popescu much like tests in school select for and breed test takers. [18:25]
pete_dushenski hm. i have more mulling to do on the topic, it seems. [18:27]
mircea_popescu for that matter, people also need self-esteem. i'm not about to "provide" it for them, in vacu-sealed packages. and they need to hunt, which does not reduce to "i'ma let a half dozen naked girlies loose in their room see what happens". that's how rich people destroy their children. [18:27]
pete_dushenski is providing something to hunt, or the directions to the hunting field, not 'incentive structure' ? [18:28]
mircea_popescu seems you've fucked that hole into some looseness by now... [18:28]
asciilifeform didn't mircea_popescu teach us that holes work-anneal ? [18:28]
mircea_popescu real ones, yes. [18:28]
asciilifeform (like aluminum) [18:29]
mircea_popescu kinda how you know if you're fucking live or plastic. [18:29]
mircea_popescu (btw - never ask virgin to clamp down on you. it's a little discussed fact that vast majority of penis captivus cases come out of something lik that) [18:30]
* asciilifeform never saw anything like solid evidence that said effect actually exists in man [18:31]
mircea_popescu (because of the tearing, vagal never innervation makes the smooth muscles over-reactive) [18:31]
mircea_popescu does, does. [18:31]
mircea_popescu ;;google vaginismus [18:31]
gribble Vaginismus: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment - WebMD: ; Vaginismus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; When Sex Hurts – Vaginismus - SOGC: [18:31]
asciilifeform ^ not same as captivus [18:31]
mircea_popescu but very related. a spasm is always at the root of both [18:32]
mircea_popescu think of pc as "vaginismus that declared while guy was inside" [18:32]
asciilifeform well yes, this is the theory [18:33]
mircea_popescu (amusingly enough, romanian even has expression to describe this in man - "s-or catelit" ie, they've doggied themselves) [18:33]
asciilifeform but evidence for actual case of 'stuck' (in man, not dog) is approx. on par with evidence for loch ness dinosaur [18:33]
mircea_popescu you can't get stuck in dog. [18:33]
mircea_popescu missing some anatomy. [18:33]
asciilifeform dog in dog [18:33]
mircea_popescu ah [18:33]
asciilifeform (where this is sop) [18:33]
mircea_popescu anyway, nah, it happens. [18:34]
mircea_popescu dja regard priapismus in same light incidentally ? [18:34]
asciilifeform nah that one's bog-simple anatomically [18:34]
asciilifeform and pestilentially common [18:34]
mircea_popescu aha. same principle tho. [18:34]
mircea_popescu innervation driven muscular spasms blocks blood egress [18:34]
mircea_popescu ftr, there is no serious evidence as to the exact fisiology of vaginismus either. [18:35]
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mircea_popescu just accepted. [18:36]
mircea_popescu The Most Serene Republic Of~ << this sounds great i gotta say. [18:36]
pete_dushenski twas a mighty invention, that. [18:38]
* asciilifeform owns a book with title 'the of' on the spine [18:38]
mircea_popescu "I am Hilde, from the Most Serene Republic of Tilde" [18:39]
pete_dushenski sounds blonde [18:40]
asciilifeform hilde, the she-wolf of tildeschwitz [18:40]
mircea_popescu ahaha [18:42]
mircea_popescu totally. tildeschwitz. [18:42]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: << re: article - see also. [18:44]
assbot Studies Find Reward Often No Motivator - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( ) [18:44]
mircea_popescu rewards work well if they're genuine. [18:44]
* pete_dushenski reading [18:44]
jurov haha, so far "eulora client hacker" positions were filled quickest [18:44]
mircea_popescu which is to say : come from things not people. [18:44]
jurov dunno about reward there [18:44]
asciilifeform genuine in the sense that 'i killed this bison myself' [18:44]
mircea_popescu jurov you can fly! [18:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. [18:44]
mircea_popescu the bison - genuinely died. [18:45]
asciilifeform and tasty [18:45]
mircea_popescu how tasty it is never amounts to much impediment. [18:45]
asciilifeform well, at least rudimentarily edible [18:45]
mircea_popescu cum's the tastiest thing i nature from what i hear, nobody hunts the cock. [18:45]
punkman I trimmed the bison's butthairs, but they grew back. [18:45]
mircea_popescu actually... nevermind. my burgeois mentality betrays me., [18:46]
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jurov orly, nobody hunts the cocks? [18:48]
jurov scientia sciolorum est mixta ignorantia [18:50]
jurov (just some snippet i found today, might be vaguely related, but smells by lingua latina canina) [18:53]
jurov lmao [18:54]
assbot Lingua latina non penis canina — Lurkmore ... ( ) [18:54]
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jurov my favourite motto was lately "Historia meretrix vitae" .. on seeing these examples I'm thinking how to get it penetrating [19:02]
mircea_popescu lol [19:05]
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pete_dushenski << shanghai composite index taking a tumble of late. [19:14]
assbot SSE Composite Index: SHA:000001 quotes & news – Google Finance ... ( ) [19:14]
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pete_dushenski also, google finance is as bad as gbtc on otcmarkets : "52 week 1,844.09 - 4,526.92" when peak is clearly 5166 on june 12 [19:17]
pete_dushenski how hard it this shit ? [19:17]
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pete_dushenski either way, an *index* losing 19% in two weeks is 2008-level of panic [19:19]
jurov SHA got cracked? [19:21]
williamdunne Down a flight of stairs [19:21]
mats << ? [19:23]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 20:39:10; mircea_popescu: << i thought you didn't exist. [19:23]
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williamdunne << I win [19:24]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 17:05:14; mircea_popescu: << ya << shit, there go my ocr skills! [19:24]
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punkman [19:26]
assbot Want a shorter commute? Pay $900 a month to live in a tent near Google - SFGate ... ( ) [19:26]
asciilifeform ^ not tent [19:27]
asciilifeform scam. [19:27]
asciilifeform or hm, just irrelevant photo [19:27]
asciilifeform 'Rented a tent, a tent, a tent; / Rented a tent, a tent, a tent. / Rented a tent! / Rented a tent! / Rented a, rented a tent.' -- k. vonnegut. 'sirens of titan' (1959) [19:28]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [19:30]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.3, Best ask: 251.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 251.32, 24 hour volume: 18319.32232325, 24 hour low: 242.6, 24 hour high: 251.77, 24 hour vwap: None [19:30]
asciilifeform google folks should prepare for the 5000/mo tents. [19:32]
asciilifeform because market! [19:32]
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asciilifeform nobody cancelled marketz! [19:34]
asciilifeform that they aren't breathing $5/litre air is only a matter of technological limitations. [19:35]
asciilifeform when they can - will. [19:35]
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jurov free daily cremations! [19:38]
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williamdunne Any speculation on what's going to happen with Greece in the coming years then? [20:02]
williamdunne Massive decline or outright collapse, followed by the rise of a Nazi party or similar? [20:02]
jurov preposterous prosperity! [20:03]
pete_dushenski << it certainly leads to, how shall i put it, "wordiness" on qntra. certainly not all the time, but that's the temptation. [20:08]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 21:21:25; mircea_popescu: yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea. [20:08]
trinque pete_dushenski: part of the answer to the question of making the republic's bot services fault tolerant is getting them within a damn wotnet [20:09]
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pete_dushenski how do you mean ? [20:09]
trinque well, suppose for example someone hates freedom and steals from me [20:10]
cazalla pete_dushenski, be specific because i go so far as to exclude the monthly reports from the word counts [20:10]
pete_dushenski trinque: go on... [20:11]
asciilifeform trinque: wotnet still made of people [20:11]
trinque from within the wotnet I may (depending on its design) be able to explicitly delegate the hosting task to some other trusted party should I be absent [20:11]
pete_dushenski cazalla: mostly bb's run-on redundancies. [20:12]
pete_dushenski cazalla: i have no problem with network diff posts btw [20:12]
trinque asciilifeform: yes but not made of DNS necessarily, or any particular IP [20:12]
cazalla i really don't think he does that in order to scoop up a few additional shares though [20:12]
mircea_popescu williamdunne no dude. greece has the african scam down pat. [20:12]
mircea_popescu it's going to simply leech money off a different husband [20:13]
mircea_popescu prolly, russia. [20:13]
williamdunne Russia too broke, no? [20:13]
williamdunne Maybe some Greek princes will emerge [20:13]
mircea_popescu when did that happen ? [20:13]
trinque they've got craploads of natural resources in their wallet aside from other things [20:13]
trinque broke how? [20:13]
pete_dushenski cazalla: the incentive is there is all, hard to tease out the psychology past that [20:13]
mircea_popescu the greeks have exactly zero incentive to do anything other than "housewife" and haven't, for ~2300 years now. [20:13]
mircea_popescu it's not changing./ [20:13]
pete_dushenski cazalla: it also encourages more frequent posting and more in-depth research, so i'm not saying it's an unreasonable trade-off [20:14]
williamdunne trinque: Thought I'd read something about them not being willing to do so, can't find it now though so probably the effects of alcohol [20:14]
mircea_popescu spend persia's money, spend rome's money, spend turks money, spend british money, spend usian money, they will spend someone else's money. [20:15]
pete_dushenski cazalla: just that it's a function of 'inherently bad' incentive structures [20:15]
trinque williamdunne | Maybe some Greek princes will emerge << how bout greek welfare queens? [20:15]
trinque wahaha [20:15]
mircea_popescu italians only woke up to the model a half millenium later, but basically doing the same. [20:15]
williamdunne trinque: How can that emerge? Already exists nope? [20:15]
trinque is joke comrade [20:15]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: americans will be next... in like 3 centuries [20:16]
mircea_popescu Comrade Joke would be an excellent idea for a webcomic [20:16]
mircea_popescu set in a faux soviet russia very much like present day us [20:16]
mircea_popescu ends up in troubles. [20:16]
trinque heh I'd read that [20:16]
mircea_popescu me2. [20:16]
mircea_popescu there, stuff for people to do. lol. [20:16]
mircea_popescu the chan is REPLETE with shit to do. [20:16]
pete_dushenski ha! [20:17]
pete_dushenski just needs moar people ;) [20:17]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski as an exercise for you : what is the difference between the disruption caused by the absence of the comrade joke webcomic, which nobody has started yet, and the disruption caused by the absence of x service, which equally doesn't exist but at some point did ? [20:18]
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mircea_popescu same thing, it'd seem. "our enemies", ie, sloth and stupidity, have disrupted our webcomic. LET US TAKE MEASURES!11 [20:18]
williamdunne Can't miss what you don't know? [20:18]
* asciilifeform is rather perplexed. who, exactly, is lacking for 'what to do' ? [20:18]
mircea_popescu what measures could they be ? shift the active from this to that, therefore disrupting this now ? [20:19]
asciilifeform there is so much 'to do' that you could eat with arse! [20:19]
mircea_popescu williamdunne oh but i can. [20:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nonstandard stuff is nonstandard, disruption is disruption. the bitcoin (tmsr~) management model is simply difficult to grok [20:19]
mircea_popescu much like bitcoin finance is so slippery, even for the best financial minds. [20:19]
mircea_popescu they just break so irrationally with the past. [20:20]
mircea_popescu not unlike trying to approximate pi on the basis of fortran four. [20:20]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol this break is exactly the point i'm making on my 'second crack' update [20:20]
trinque man I kinda like that... putting tasks which need done in terms of that which they deprive the republic [20:20]
trinque I suppose I'm sentimental [20:20]
mircea_popescu trinque just as a mental exercise. [20:21]
mircea_popescu to encourage people not to drive themselves mad. [20:21]
pete_dushenski << aaaand updated. [20:21]
assbot A second crack at that scary thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [20:21]
mircea_popescu i am kinda amused by pete's fundamentally tragic figure, btw. [20:22]
mircea_popescu he writes these posts in the full knowledge that they'll be like... "NONE OF YOUR DIGITS ARE RIGHT MATE!!!. it's not 4, it's 3. not .0 but .1. not .x0 but .x4. not .xx0 but .xx1. not .xxx0 but .xxx5. etc. [20:23]
mircea_popescu "your approximation of pi fails on every single point!111" [20:24]
mircea_popescu "i'm trying to do it with integers!" [20:24]
mircea_popescu "tough." [20:24]
pete_dushenski a poet is me. [20:24]
pete_dushenski one who enjoys making a public hash of things, just to let them breathe, then correct [20:25]
pete_dushenski it's how i learn, i guess. [20:25]
pete_dushenski hopefully others learning alongside ! [20:26]
trinque yeah keep 'em coming [20:26]
pete_dushenski there has to be someone halfway up mt sinai, playing broken telephone between moses and the golden calf lovers. [20:27]
pete_dushenski "that's not what i said you idjit !" "oh, my bad, let me try again !" "that's a bit better !" [20:28]
trinque I wouldn't be a common lisp programmer by now if I hadn't aired a bunch of idiotic thoughts of my own on programming in public. [20:29]
jurov mircea_popescu: another 0.9.1 runs fine for months, only with "errors" : "Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!" [20:30]
jurov not sure when they 'cated the warning [20:30]
trinque asciilifeform: had a thought earlier driving around re: your observation that there are lisps in many fields: a high water mark reached, then from which retreated. [20:31]
pete_dushenski trinque: gotta find the boundaries of the glass jar by ramming into it head-first [20:31]
asciilifeform jurov: i spoke of this earlier. it isn't a gavinsignal in the usual sense, but is produced by the crud where version numbers in incoming messages are averaged and compared [20:32]
trinque I recall someone making the point that there can be greater distance between men than men and animals [20:32]
asciilifeform jurov: it isn't in therealbitcoin [20:32]
trinque lisps must occur where there were men orders of magnitude better than their contemporaries, such that the contemporaries barely had any idea what they were doing there [20:32]
cazalla jurov, those warnings are the fucking things i've been getting every 2-3 weeks for months [20:32]
trinque so they continued on and eventually engulfed the subject in their own shit [20:33]
trinque that to me clearly points out the role of power in human life [20:33]
trinque to *prevent* that from happening. [20:33]
asciilifeform trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around [20:33]
asciilifeform just as the slipless ratchet does not exist (and physically cannot. see feynman's perpetuum mobile) [20:33]
trinque I don't follow "doesn't leak" [20:33]
asciilifeform i.e. forget things [20:34]
asciilifeform e.g., archimedes had basic integral calculus [20:34]
asciilifeform but then went away for a while. [20:34]
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trinque probably not enough people got it when it first appeared? [20:35]
trinque I recall some theory that this happened with the pyramids [20:35]
asciilifeform trinque: 'wanting' wasn't enough in the age of hand-copied text [20:35]
trinque there were earlier egyptians supposedly that knew how to make the things, then there were later egyptians that basically squatted on what was built before, having no idea how it got there [20:35]
asciilifeform trinque: the ~other~ egyptians (today's) have zero to do with the folks who built pyramids [20:36]
pete_dushenski alrighty, time to go run off all this ice cream i've been tragically eating. a la prochaine ! [20:36]
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trinque asciilifeform: isn't this "leaking" more something like not having enough vessels to preserve it? [20:36]
trinque someone towering comes along and he knows how to do X; yet without enough others that understood him, it'd make sense that the knowledge ends up lost [20:37]
asciilifeform trinque is still thinking in his modern box where preserving things is easy, cheap, and something folks are generally fond of doing [20:37]
trinque perhaps [20:38]
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trinque the vessels I meant were human heads [20:38]
trinque I've heard it said that were the US to want to repeat Apollo, they'd have to practically start from scratch, as nearly everyone who had mastery over the processes used before are now dead [20:40]
mircea_popescu jurov lawl errors. [20:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i find the proposition that "version numbers" are any sort of program signal utterly retarded. [20:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: write to gavin not me, l0l [20:41]
mircea_popescu it's basically an implementation of racism. the presuposition being that the color of the skin conveniently summarizes the abilities of the thing contained in that skin [20:41]
mircea_popescu trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around << amusingly enough, re the earlier dog discussion : dog cunt seals, for this reason. [20:42]
mircea_popescu i wonder what a civilisation of dogs would be like. [20:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: vernor vinge's 'fire upon the deep' had just this [20:43]
mircea_popescu oh ? [20:43]
asciilifeform it was lulzy [20:43]
asciilifeform (had many lulz, not just this) [20:43]
mircea_popescu i am apparently unfamiliar with the sfs of your home world. [20:43]
asciilifeform that one's american [20:44]
asciilifeform ultra-famous. [20:44]
asciilifeform (and the ru translation is even better than original imho) [20:45]
mircea_popescu "The recognition that rewards can have counter-productive effects is based on a variety of studies," << it is strictly based on a felonious substitution. it is exactly like saying "sex can be unpleasant for women" on the basis of the sex we practice being very violent rape. [20:48]
mircea_popescu the shit the puritan us does for "rewards" is NOT the statu quo. it is just the retarded, intellectually bankrupt, morally offensive charicature of the world the usian puritans came up with. [20:48]
asciilifeform hey, engineering constraint. just like sex in afghan means 'with donkey' [20:49]
asciilifeform to 1st approx. [20:49]
mircea_popescu so no. rewards reward. being associated with the refuse of white civilisation does neither reduce to that, nor stand for it, nor is a basis of a conclusion. of course nobody sane or thinking wishes to be associated with the filth. [20:49]
mircea_popescu just like i wouldn't take a nobel on the basis that i do not wish to have the shiot they gave obama. [20:49]
mircea_popescu "oh, recognition has ocunter-productive effects". no. perelman rejected the recognition you were offering BECAUSE IT CAME FROM YOU [20:50]
mircea_popescu not "because it was recognition full stop". [20:50]
mircea_popescu and no, promises to pay from josh garza are not bitcoin [20:50]
mircea_popescu and no, the "opinions" of tim swanson are NOT opinions. because no wot. and so fucking on. [20:50]
mircea_popescu the source matters first and foremost. just like you cant have "a message" without first having the key to decrypt the asc with [20:51]
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asciilifeform << student exercise [21:28]
assbot ... ( ) [21:28]
asciilifeform (bad rsa key) [21:28]
* trinque hunkers down for more clim hacking [21:29]
trinque most fun I've had in years [21:29]
trinque re: writing code [21:29]
asciilifeform trinque: last time i played with clim under sbcl it was dog-slow [21:29]
trinque haven't torqued it hard enough to know yet [21:29]
trinque but the clarity [21:29]
asciilifeform i mean, even for 'hello world' [21:29]
trinque ah, no it's doing fine there [21:29]
asciilifeform trinque must be using a recent cpu.. [21:30]
trinque lol yeah, doing fine with 3+ ghz and 8 cores [21:30]
* trinque solemnly swears not to write his own linux distro with clim-based DE in a year [21:33]
* trinque chants "do not give in to astonishment" as he fires up the clim listener [21:34]
mircea_popescu actually it's quite possible the eventual b-a distribution is a sort of lisp "java machine" [21:44]
mircea_popescu ie, what google's trying to do. [21:45]
mircea_popescu in other news, women and incentives in tech. [21:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i wasted years on this. destructive dead end, because ibm pc is a turd [21:45]
assbot ... ( ) [21:45]
asciilifeform i.e. the hardware can't be meaningfully abstracted over. [21:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so is seeking true love. [21:46]
trinque can't build a VM for some syslisp which is then implemented later as hardware? [21:46]
asciilifeform who doesn't believe me (and why should?) can go waste years himself. like the 'movitz' folks did [21:46]
mircea_popescu nah, universal lisp bytecode! [21:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: straight to sbcl, where this is already a thing. plain computation works fine. it's when you get to i/o that you die [21:47]
mircea_popescu universal io ! [21:47]
asciilifeform 'lisp doesn't need i/o.' --my brother [21:47]
mircea_popescu if a lisp lisps in a ioless forest, has it still lisped ? [21:48]
asciilifeform (in point of fact, it doesn't even need an ALU... church numerals!!) [21:48]
trinque I'm just glad I figured out I needed to relearn programming at 28 rather than 58 [21:51]
trinque asciilifeform: how should IO look? what to read? [21:53]
asciilifeform trinque: i/o in the very basic sense of talking to the framebuffer, nic, interrupt controller [21:53]
asciilifeform disk [21:54]
asciilifeform cpu cores [21:54]
asciilifeform (well, the smp control gizmo) [21:54]
asciilifeform etc. [21:54]
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trinque right, so on linux I could write some bits to /dev/fb0 ; what might I go read about regarding how that's done on... would genera be a good example? [21:56]
asciilifeform trinque: there are no examples. [21:56]
trinque ah ok [21:56]
asciilifeform trinque: have you read my 'bedrock' article ? [21:56]
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asciilifeform trinque: [21:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72809 @ 0.00039094 = 28.464 BTC [-] {4} [21:57]
assbot Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. ... ( ) [21:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13841 @ 0.00038678 = 5.3534 BTC [-] [21:58]
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trinque asciilifeform: yes I have, and grok the gist, I think [21:58]
trinque what would network IO look like if done on a system with proper bedrock abstractions from your view? [21:58]
trinque !up gabriel_laddel [21:59]
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gabriel_laddel ty [21:59]
trinque np, and hello [21:59]
gabriel_laddel so, for instance, think of the terminal you are now typing into. on a true dataflow box, it would simply be the end of a circuit (screen memory) directly linked to a circuit with the keyboard matrix decoder on the other end of it. you thus also lose the concept of ‘interrupts’ or ‘processes’. a dataflow box doesn’t need a scheduler, or an interrupt [21:59]
gabriel_laddel controller. [21:59]
gabriel_laddel -- [21:59]
assbot Loper OS » The Alert Reader. ... ( ) [21:59]
asciilifeform trinque: for this one, symbolics lisp is not a bad example. the key being that ~nothing can happen~ short of the nic catching fire that would land you on any level of abstraction below lisp [21:59]
asciilifeform e.g., if a malformed packet appears, or connection breaks at any point in the process, or, or. [22:00]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel has it. but in that article i was speaking of 'proper computer', not lispm. [22:00]
trinque gabriel_laddel: end of a circuit, so "circuit" is bedrock, or composed thereof? [22:00]
asciilifeform trinque: 'bedrock' for our purposes is that which if it malfunctions you physically throw it out. [22:01]
* trinque reads through p=1361 [22:01]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: Right. I should have noted that this is an example of what "sane I/O" might look like. [22:02]
trinque what is the circuit? how do I write code which reads the current state of the terminal? [22:02]
trinque how do I shove bits into it? [22:02]
asciilifeform it is the only sane i/o. what we have now is chicken's cloaka, which pisses, shits, fucks, and lays eggs via same orifice (why not also eat with it?) [22:03]
trinque is there some data structure manifested in the lisp system which represents the state of the thing? [22:03]
asciilifeform trinque: code on dataflow processor controls switching matrix. [22:03]
asciilifeform how to represent it is up to the operator [22:03]
asciilifeform ultimately it is what your schoolteacher called an 'adjacency matrix.' [22:03]
trinque I could declare that the terminal circuit is now connected to (among other things) my circuit which logs terminal stuff? [22:04]
trinque and this declaration is... [22:04]
asciilifeform these presently exist, you can go to store and buy. called fpga. [22:04]
trinque a data structure somewhere read by the switching matrix? [22:04]
asciilifeform trinque: typically an ordinary sram [22:04]
mircea_popescu it does technicaly eat with it [22:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think of it, traditional cpu ~is~ cloaka, where you pgp with the same barrel shifter and adder that you play tetris and read lolcatz with [22:05]
asciilifeform this is not the only way to build a computer. [22:06]
asciilifeform in extreme poverty of the 1950s - yes, it makes sense [22:06]
asciilifeform barely made sense in '80s [22:06]
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asciilifeform (folks carrying around multiple pc notwithstanding) [22:07]
asciilifeform think of why msdos was a jewel - machine did ~one fucking thing~ at a time [22:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. it DOES eat with it. [22:08]
asciilifeform approach has limitations, there are asynchronous things in the world (e.g., nic, disks) [22:08]
trinque hm, so is there some circuit which is responsible for the adjacency of other circuits? [22:08]
asciilifeform so you have multiple machines. [22:08]
asciilifeform like in your head [22:08]
trinque is this a distributed thing, whereby one circuit requests access to another? [22:08]
asciilifeform trinque: when you plant your arse in your chair, does arse 'request access to the chair' ?) [22:08]
mircea_popescu iut's not clear why disk would be async [22:09]
trinque asciilifeform: no, but sometimes there's a cat in it! [22:09]
mircea_popescu for that matter, disk is moving to be ram. and ram is sync. [22:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because you ask it for block b and some unknown time later it says 'here is block b' [22:09]
trinque ah! [22:09]
mircea_popescu no obvious need for this. [22:09]
mircea_popescu it can say "and this is block b perpetually anyway [22:09]
asciilifeform for so long as you have caches, you have locality [22:09]
asciilifeform which is to say, asking for b+1 will almost always be faster than b+100000 [22:10]
trinque asciilifeform: so is it the synchronized nature of "modern" IO that is braindamaged? [22:10]
trinque I can see that point readily [22:10]
trinque I said this to ben_vulpes yesterday about HTTP request/response cycles [22:10]
asciilifeform trinque: the whole concept of having von neumann's bottleneck, where you can't do anything at all on the machine without waiting your turn for the little airline latrine of alu, mmu, etc. is asinine [22:10]
mircea_popescu refresh me. what in ulimit discusses the i/o ? [22:10]
trinque asciilifeform: so this circuit expresses a desire for the answer to some question, and some other circuit may or may not satisfy it [22:11]
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gabriel_laddel loper-os-reader: I always sort of thought that about CPU designs in general. whilst software designers say “how many cycles is this going to take?”, a hardware designer knows how many cycles something is going to take on a chip: one. or else [22:11]
gabriel_laddel stas: dataflow never caught on because you absolutely need dedicated hardware. if you want real efficiency, you can’t even use standard RAM. so it gets dismissed as nuttery, on the rare occasions it comes up. [22:11]
asciilifeform trinque: when you plug a lamp into mains socket, does it 'express desire to conduct' ? [22:12]
mircea_popescu is it -i (pending signals) ? [22:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what system are you on [22:12]
trinque asciilifeform: no, but water doesn't ever come out of the socket [22:12]
mircea_popescu centos [22:12]
trinque the routing is what I'm not clear on [22:12]
trinque who says this guy wants to know some facts and not others [22:12]
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asciilifeform trinque: move your abstraction level down to where the question makes sense [22:13]
ben_vulpes o hai gabriel_laddel! [22:13]
asciilifeform !s muller gate [22:13]
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gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: hey! [22:14]
ben_vulpes the boys have been talking shit about your lispos [22:14]
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ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos [22:14]
ben_vulpes !up ga [22:15]
ben_vulpes !up gabriel_laddel [22:15]
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ben_vulpes !up gavinadresen [22:15]
gabriel_laddel thanks. fucking useless AT&T connection [22:15]
asciilifeform trinque: << intro to state of art re: programmable logic [22:15]
assbot - How FPGAs work ... ( ) [22:15]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: I saw that in the logs earlier. It doesn't really matter - they don't have any other options. [22:15]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: they'll use what's there. [22:16]
trinque asciilifeform: ty [22:16]
trinque I'll read that and improve my question [22:17]
ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: 'they' << your customers? [22:17]
asciilifeform trinque: i'd even argue that fpga is a mis-step historically, and you'd want to start with traditional 'gal' (as pictured here, ) [22:17]
assbot iconnect007 :: Article ... ( ) [22:17]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the last time i met folks who 'they'll use what's there', they were running... winxp [22:17]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: I was referring to #b-a members actually. I don't have any customers yet, as Masamune is horribly incomplete. [22:18]
* ben_vulpes does not have a horse in this race [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00038665 = 9.3183 BTC [-] {2} [22:18]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: does your sbcl userland for linux come with a physical box where i get guarantee that the, e.g., video board, works ? [22:19]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: that is the idea - but currently - no. [22:19]
trinque given that I'm already using an absurd compromise (stumpwm+emacs) I'd take something which measurably improves what I'm doing there already [22:19]
* asciilifeform gave a good share of gabriel_laddel's material a fair, imho, reading, and still isn't entirely grasping how the proposed widget wins over classical linux box with sbcl on it [22:20]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: maxima, conkeror, CLIM as defaults [22:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00038968 = 16.5614 BTC [+] [22:20]
asciilifeform why would i be concerned with defaults ? [22:20]
gabriel_laddel also, scaffolding for e.g., Pete's school [22:20]
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gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: because although you already know of these things, many people do not. [22:21]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel aims to bring lisps to 'most people' ?! [22:21]
* asciilifeform head-desks [22:21]
gabriel_laddel heh, no [22:21]
* ben_vulpes resents leaving at top of computers + school conversation branch [22:21]
gabriel_laddel just for people in #b-a [22:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on my system, 'ulimit' only sets max file size... [22:22]
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mircea_popescu i have nfi what all this shit does. [22:22]
asciilifeform somebody buy poor fella a new modem [22:22]
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ben_vulpes i am interested in things like 'literate programming' in the context of mathematical education, essay writing etc [22:39]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes read knuth's work on subj ? [22:39]
ben_vulpes not yet! [22:39]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: absolute best example of 'literate programming' i know of is 'jonesforth' >> and [22:44]
assbot jonesforth/jonesforth.S at master · AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth · GitHub ... ( ) [22:44]
assbot jonesforth/jonesforth.f at master · AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth · GitHub ... ( ) [22:44]
asciilifeform (not originally on shithub but only surviving copy) [22:44]
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asciilifeform in other news, i've a static therealbitcoin. [23:07]
ben_vulpes no wai [23:07]
asciilifeform aha. [23:07]
asciilifeform readelf -d bitcoind [23:08]
asciilifeform There is no dynamic section in this file. [23:08]
ben_vulpes i wonder how long it'll take to duplicate the feat. [23:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i'm about to zip up the whole build tree so folks can test quickly [23:09]
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asciilifeform one final test before i post it... [23:13]
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asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [23:31]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: [23:31]
asciilifeform [23:31]
assbot ... ( ) [23:31]
asciilifeform '(EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin.' [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00040015 = 3.9415 BTC [+] [23:31]
asciilifeform << process map for this experiment [23:33]
assbot ... ( ) [23:33]
asciilifeform note that it is still using conventional glibc [23:33]
decimation asciilifeform: did you try ulibc [23:33]
asciilifeform (see the gconv-modules turd? fucking lamers) [23:33]
asciilifeform decimation: not yet. but i expect to hit the same wall as mod6 [23:33]
decimation yeah. [23:33]
asciilifeform first trying to bring it all to where we originally wanted it [23:34]
decimation it's possible some combination of gcc/ulibc version will work [23:34]
asciilifeform and it appears that i did this. [23:34]
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decimation asciilifeform: so no dns? [23:34]
asciilifeform if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box) [23:34]
asciilifeform no dns. [23:34]
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asciilifeform i'd prefer to get comments / replications of this experiment first [23:35]
decimation asciilifeform: is this for the pogo? [23:35]
asciilifeform no [23:35]
asciilifeform this is an amd64 build. [23:35]
asciilifeform i suppose i ought to have specified this in the readme [23:35]
asciilifeform but it ought to be clear from reading the build script [23:35]
asciilifeform this build is intended for ibmpc [23:36]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu your node is dead ? [23:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:37]
asciilifeform wtf. [23:37]
asciilifeform (i'm getting a 'connection refused') [23:38]
* mircea_popescu looks into this. [23:38]
mircea_popescu did you ever test it ? [23:38]
asciilifeform just now. [23:38]
asciilifeform was gonna milk it [23:38]
asciilifeform i've been licking my teeth for this milking for ages [23:38]
mircea_popescu lol. apparently you're not the only one. [23:39]
asciilifeform stas@humanoid ~ $ telnet 8333 [23:39]
asciilifeform Trying [23:39]
asciilifeform telnet: connect to address Connection refused [23:39]
mircea_popescu anyway. give it an hour. [23:39]
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mircea_popescu !up aseriousgogetta [23:39]
-assbot- You voiced aseriousgogetta for 30 minutes. [23:39]
* assbot gives voice to aseriousgogetta [23:39]
aseriousgogetta ty [23:39]
mircea_popescu aha. who're you ? [23:40]
aseriousgogetta what is i just found it. [23:40]
mircea_popescu the foundation directing bitcoin development etc. [23:40]
aseriousgogetta im a crypto-enthusiast [23:40]
aseriousgogetta why 0.5.3? [23:41]
decimation what is your favorite public key algo? [23:41]
aseriousgogetta favorite.. sha256d [23:43]
mircea_popescu !s 0.5.3 [23:43]
mircea_popescu this has been discussed in teh logs. [23:43]
decimation aite [23:44]
aseriousgogetta my current work is on a personal project; setting up foundation. what is teh work in here? [23:44]
assbot 204 results for '0.5.3' : [23:44]
ben_vulpes decrufting etc. [23:44]
mircea_popescu that didn't parse. [23:45]
aseriousgogetta [23:45]
aseriousgogetta ty [23:45]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ? [23:45]
ben_vulpes ah! [23:45]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nah, upon consideration that should have no effect. [23:51]
aseriousgogetta hmm, so 0.10.2 talk is out teh window [23:54]
aseriousgogetta or scrypt-n? [23:54]
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asciilifeform out teh window << no, in the latrine where they belong. [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22857 @ 0.00039374 = 8.9997 BTC [-] [23:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: let me know if you were able to build my 'stator.' and if you think it makes sense to sweat over a uclibc build for ibmpc, where everything ~else~ is sitting on glibc... [23:54]
asciilifeform (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...) [23:54]
ben_vulpes no, I simply ran the thing. [23:54]
asciilifeform (see ) [23:54]
assbot ... ( ) [23:54]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: l0l [23:54]
asciilifeform it ran ? [23:54]
ben_vulpes not your most recent, no [23:54]
asciilifeform what was ben_vulpes referring to then [23:54]
ben_vulpes hang on distracted. [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00039374 = 9.6466 BTC [-] [23:54]
asciilifeform << note that it isn't 'the foundation one' until ben_vulpes and mod6 say it is [23:54]
assbot Logged on 26-06-2015 19:46:42; mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out. [23:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform try nao ? [23:56]
asciilifeform but we have a buildable static(glibc) ibmpc build. [23:56]
ben_vulpes << i am confus [23:56]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ? [23:56]
ben_vulpes i did not use the -irc flag [23:56]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: [23:56]
assbot Logged on 27-06-2015 03:06:14; asciilifeform: << this is ~not~ in 0.5.3. it had only '-noirc', default off. [23:56]
ben_vulpes right. [23:56]
asciilifeform idk why aseriousgogetta linked it [23:56]
ben_vulpes me neither [23:56]
ben_vulpes ultraconfused, had to remember why i hadn't responded to the ;;later [23:56]
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ben_vulpes (if i even had, etc) [23:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hangs after 'connected' [23:59]
asciilifeform anybody else? [23:59]
asciilifeform 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1' [23:59]
* ben_vulpes is drinking with trinqu, will be playing with blockchains later [23:59]
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