Forum logs for 28 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: is your box getting hammered by bozos ?	[00:01]
ben_vulpes	!up Chicago	[00:01]
*	assbot gives voice to Chicago	[00:01]
decimation	Chicago: are you a fan of crypto too?	[00:02]
asciilifeform	now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working	[00:02]
asciilifeform	(with glibc+static)	[00:02]
decimation	I thought he had	[00:02]
decimation	but with dns	[00:02]
asciilifeform	afaik can't do dns at all with static glibc	[00:02]
asciilifeform	so no	[00:02]
asciilifeform	but possibly he had something like what i just posted, but it isn't on the ml.	[00:02]
decimation	I've seen it give linker warnings	[00:03]
decimation	didn't check to see if it was truely static	[00:03]
asciilifeform	mine also gives linker warning for 'what if you used gethostbyname'	[00:03]
decimation	yeah exactly	[00:03]
asciilifeform	-- except that we provably never do	[00:03]
asciilifeform	so fuck it	[00:06]
asciilifeform	gcc sucks at stripping deadcode, news at 11.	[00:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5093 @ 0.00039374 = 2.0053 BTC [-]	[00:06]
decimation	also, nobody gives a fuck about supporting static linking, news at 11	[00:06]
asciilifeform	we knew, yes	[00:06]
decimation	"why link static when you could just accept my world of shit?"	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kind-of.	[00:08]
scoopbot_revived	Women and incentives in tech http://trilema.com/2015/women-and-incentives-in-tech/	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	there's ~30 connected, ye'll have to insist.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	let me guess, the duplicates aren't up	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	doubt they'd be in a much better position.	[00:10]
asciilifeform	because 'split' br0ke	[00:10]
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asciilifeform	addrLocalHost = 0.0.0.0:8333 << anybody else getting this ?	[00:11]
asciilifeform	ah it's the retardation	[00:17]
asciilifeform	'// Proxies can't take incoming connections'	[00:17]
asciilifeform	working as written.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	that crap ~will~ have to be shot.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	as well as the ability to kick 'for misbehaviour' the ONLY PERMITTED CONNECT node	[00:17]
asciilifeform	who the FUCK thought of that.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	what's next, uterus gives her cramps so she ejects it ?	[00:17]
asciilifeform	across the room	[00:17]
Chicago	decimation, Sure I'm a crypto fan. :)	[00:18]
Chicago	Albeit more active in Wintertime when my rigs warm the house.	[00:18]
asciilifeform	'-connect=x.x.x.x' should ONLY affect OUTGOING connections	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[00:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a box to sync from that i don't have to share with public urinators	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	how do you propose i implement this ?	[00:20]
asciilifeform	iptables ?	[00:20]
*	mircea_popescu goes to read the manual for iptables now, to find how you do "open port only for x ip"	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00038826 = 10.3665 BTC [-]	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	fully expecting he will have to install vanrish, uninstall alsa, recompile the kernel and fix glibc.	[00:21]
ben_vulpes	you're learning!	[00:22]
ben_vulpes	http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/net_8cpp_source.html#l00653 << help what am i looking at	[00:22]
assbot	bitcoin v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { http://thebitcoin.foundation/doxygen/v0_5_3_1-wPatchesApplied/v0531-wPatchesApplied.txt }: bitcoin/src/net.cpp Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvmktA )	[00:22]
ben_vulpes	why are these critical sections lexically nested?	[00:22]
asciilifeform	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7423309/iptables-block-access-to-port-8000-except-from-ip-address >> change port, 8333..	[00:22]
assbot	firewall - iptables block access to port 8000 except from IP address - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LvmkK8 )	[00:22]
ben_vulpes	are they also /programatically/ nested?	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	iptables -I INPUT -p tcp ! -s -j DROP << is that it ?	[00:23]
trinque	mircea_popescu: because layering another turd atop iptables is surely what you want... I find ufw a nice tool to deal with trivial firewall setups	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	hm shouldn't port be specified somewhere	[00:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: read linked turd	[00:24]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform try nao	[00:26]
asciilifeform	'connect() failed after select(): Connection refused'	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	actually uh... i see you ?	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	wtf/	[00:27]
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mircea_popescu	nowai.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	eh nonsense.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	it's been feeding 100s of peers like 1gb since yest or w/e.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	try from own box	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	it works from a multitude of boxen	[00:30]
*	asciilifeform about to test with conventional therealbitcoin	[00:31]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes but did any of them '-connect'	[00:31]
trinque	asciilifeform: am I in the ballpark... having the vague notion that c-gates would be used to indicate whether the inputs necessary to perform a computation are available?	[00:31]
trinque	strikes me as "promises" to indicate the braindamaged programming environments I've sued	[00:32]
asciilifeform	trinque: c-gate only fires when all inputs are stable	[00:32]
trinque	*used	[00:32]
trinque	right	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they must have if they were moving bytes neh	[00:32]
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asciilifeform	and if connected to other c-gates, same applies to them	[00:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: same thing when using conventional therealbitcoin	[00:32]
asciilifeform	(non-static)	[00:32]
trinque	seems to be the mechanism by which you call a bunch of asynchronous happenings one "thing", and can therefore act upon those "things" all being available	[00:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and no, i was specifically talking about -connect=x.x.x.x' commandline argument	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	hm	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi	[00:33]
*	asciilifeform boots up 'wireshark'	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	honestly, i don't think that iptables thing actually works.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	because everyone trying to get in is now stuck on LAST ACK	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	which is not to my eye the expected behaviour.	[00:34]
decimation	iptables, like most of the kernel, is undocumented as fuck	[00:36]
asciilifeform	~all~ i get is ACKs	[00:36]
*	asciilifeform is watching the packets in real time	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	i srsly see established conns.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:37]
asciilifeform	all i get is acks	[00:37]
asciilifeform	they're established, yes..	[00:37]
asciilifeform	but mine asks 'version' and hears '...'	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[00:38]
decimation	I kinda get the impression that about 99% of iptables implementations out there are 'cut n paste' from what someone else posted on some website	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	certainly.	[00:39]
decimation	just like 99% of 'autoconf' use is cut n' paste	[00:40]
decimation	many eyes, etc	[00:40]
trinque	beatings for everyone that decides to introduce his own grammar to describe some problem space (firewalls one of many examples)	[00:41]
trinque	I know... I'll invent a syntax!	[00:41]
trinque	firewall configuration should be a function you write that the network stack runs on every packet	[00:42]
trinque	pf is marginally better, but that's about it	[00:42]
*	asciilifeform brb, food	[00:42]
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trinque	the ufw thing at least gives you a semi-sane "ufw allow from 1.2.3.4 to any port 8333"	[00:43]
decimation	yeah it's kinda a cluster	[00:43]
decimation	proprietary firewalls on cisco, etc aren't any better	[00:43]
trinque	and even ufw runs afoul of the "natural language" == easy	[00:43]
trinque	same mistake as SQL	[00:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 187 @ 0.0130107 = 2.433 BTC [-] {2}	[00:45]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform tell you what, if you don't get to the bottom of it, ima make you an account on the server tomorrow, copy over the blockchain and you can compile your own or w/e.	[00:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33406 @ 0.00039961 = 13.3494 BTC [+] {3}	[00:54]
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scoopbot_revived	The art of punishment, translated. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/27/the-art-of-punishment-translated/	[00:58]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: -addnode works	[01:07]
asciilifeform	-connect --- no	[01:07]
asciilifeform	of course this is useless	[01:08]
asciilifeform	but shows that packets do move	[01:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00039312 = 1.7297 BTC [-]	[01:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it really ought not to be necessary to move blockchains with bare hands!	[01:09]
asciilifeform	that's what '-connect' is for	[01:09]
mod6	wow, just getting caught up here. have been afk for a while here today...	[01:10]
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mod6	<+asciilifeform> now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working <+asciilifeform> (with glibc+static) << v0.5.3.1-RELEASE basically is not true "static" build because of the gethostbyname() (DNS/libnss) calls in there. but was trying to build static bitcoind with uclibc/gcc on gentoo, was hitting a problem described here before. If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinking tha	[01:12]
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asciilifeform	mod6: msg got cut off	[01:13]
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asciilifeform	at 'I'm thinking tha'	[01:14]
mod6	oh crap. ok sorry.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hey, i know. what can i do over here.	[01:17]
mod6	If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinking that would get us where we want to be; sounds like you've done that!	[01:17]
mod6	my pos car got a flat today, so I limped it up to the station to get a new tire & walked the ~3 miles back.	[01:18]
asciilifeform	mod6: there is still http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179772 and also figuring out wtf gives with '-connect'	[01:18]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...)	[01:18]
mod6	only to find out that both front springs are broken (lol) and that's what caused the tire to blow out.	[01:18]
asciilifeform	woah	[01:18]
asciilifeform	srsly?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform anyway, ok if i move back to public access for this ?	[01:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: go ahead	[01:18]
asciilifeform	i don't think overcrowding was the issue here	[01:18]
mod6	so now I've got this company to pay $185 and take it off my hands for scrap. hahah	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	got the command predigested for me ?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	:D	[01:18]
asciilifeform	aaand hey	[01:20]
asciilifeform	it worked	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[01:20]
asciilifeform	wtf	[01:20]
asciilifeform	it's milking	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[01:20]
mod6	you got connected to mp's blockchain milk? or -connect worked for you?	[01:20]
asciilifeform	what did mircea_popescu do ?	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	i played wiff girl.	[01:20]
asciilifeform	l0rl	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	game of yatze	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, ima keep it locked to your ip till tomorro then	[01:21]
asciilifeform	ty	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	if nothing else then because "don't fuck with shit that works"	[01:21]
mod6	oh, forgot to mention. the place wanted $500 to replace the springs. which is what prompted me to `mv posCar /dev/scrap`	[01:22]
*	asciilifeform still wondering wtf that was all about	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	very weird.	[01:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27097 @ 0.00038778 = 10.5077 BTC [-] {3}	[01:22]
mod6	hmm	[01:22]
decimation	mod6: mechanics are famous for exploiting folks in what they think are vulnerable situations	[01:22]
mod6	yeah, they were pretty blown away when I just came and told 'em i was gonna scrap it.	[01:22]
*	trinque lawls at the naked folks biking past him	[01:23]
trinque	there are things to like about this communist land	[01:23]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: now stuck again...	[01:23]
asciilifeform	after 43929	[01:23]
mod6	it's not processing blocks? or you're getting disconnected?	[01:24]
asciilifeform	stalled	[01:24]
mod6	hmm. give it 10 minutes to be sure... unless it's taking on those weird errors	[01:24]
asciilifeform	no errors	[01:24]
asciilifeform	just... stalls	[01:24]
asciilifeform	as in, nothing moving over the pipe	[01:25]
mod6	I remember from the block 168`001 issue (tx verification failed) that it would start dumping tons of errors if truly stuck.	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	eh listen, it's prolly getting too much attention	[01:25]
asciilifeform	again, not this	[01:25]
mod6	ah	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	let it be till tomorro, and we'll see what.	[01:25]
*	asciilifeform leaves the thing running	[01:25]
asciilifeform	picture so far is consistent with massive ddos, imho	[01:26]
mod6	asciilifeform: thanks a lot for your work tonight on the Static Builder. I'm a bit zapped to start getting into that tonight. Is it cool with you if I start testing it out tomorrow morning?	[01:28]
mod6	I can work on that and see where I can get with it; then I have to start working on the SoBA for June.	[01:28]
asciilifeform	mod6: no reason to hurry	[01:28]
mod6	Ok awesome.	[01:29]
asciilifeform	i'm about to sleep a bit myself	[01:29]
mod6	nod	[01:29]
mod6	thanks for all of your help :]	[01:29]
asciilifeform	np	[01:29]
asciilifeform	this exercise did not take very long but for some reason very tiring	[01:30]
mod6	yeah, i hear ya.	[01:30]
mod6	get some rest. tomorrow we can keep on.	[01:30]
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ben_vulpes	sleep? when all these titties are biking by?	[01:34]
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mod6	haha.	[01:34]
trinque	ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!"	[01:35]
trinque	ok portland, you win this round	[01:35]
trinque	this I think has something to do with the political problems throughout time	[01:36]
trinque	maybe I should get more drunk and see if pete_dushenski ends up writing about it	[01:36]
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asciilifeform	another burst of milkage	[01:40]
asciilifeform	to 44429. stall.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	l0l	[01:40]
mod6	nice. you think it's being packeted though?	[01:40]
asciilifeform	somebody's taking a king-sized shit in there	[01:41]
mod6	ah	[01:41]
asciilifeform	either that or somebody between here and there is 'losing' packets.	[01:41]
decimation	or there's a dysfunctional router somewhere	[01:41]
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mod6	what does tr look like?	[01:42]
asciilifeform	decimation: not here	[01:42]
asciilifeform	woah	[01:45]
asciilifeform	some pretty serious strange	[01:45]
mod6	is it looping	[01:45]
asciilifeform	http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt	[01:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ebSUU4 )	[01:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^	[01:46]
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mod6	asciilifeform: mine looks exactly the same.	[01:47]
decimation	asciilifeform: seems like 'unthreading bitcoind' would be an admiral goal	[01:47]
asciilifeform	decimation: ?	[01:47]
decimation	cutting out the locking, threads ,etc	[01:48]
asciilifeform	tcp without threads?	[01:48]
asciilifeform	wat	[01:48]
asciilifeform	gonna service 1 node at a time ?	[01:48]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/3WAY4WZ.txt << mine (lol 3way)	[01:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ebTbqg )	[01:48]
asciilifeform	with polling ?	[01:48]
decimation	yeah, async	[01:49]
asciilifeform	screw that	[01:49]
decimation	heh	[01:49]
mod6	heheh	[01:49]
asciilifeform	go build p2p net with 1-at-a-time	[01:49]
asciilifeform	(and what, someone wants to connect, you drop ~everything~ ?)	[01:49]
decimation	I've built several pure async servers	[01:49]
asciilifeform	decimation: what do they do? queue requests ?	[01:50]
decimation	sure	[01:50]
decimation	generally, you write a while loop with epoll or whatever	[01:50]
decimation	jump to whatever bell rings	[01:50]
asciilifeform	as if this thing didn't suck enough balls	[01:50]
decimation	well, it seems to me that there ought to be a definable spec between "talk to peers" and "maintain database of blocks"	[01:51]
asciilifeform	decimation: unless i seriously misunderstood mircea_popescu, not only is the reference client the permanent spec, but so are the turdependencies	[01:52]
asciilifeform	and anything purporting to be a human-readable spec is necessarily incomplete	[01:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25944 @ 0.00040271 = 10.4479 BTC [+] {2}	[01:53]
decimation	well, until the book is printed, studied, underped	[01:53]
decimation	over many man-years of effort	[01:53]
asciilifeform	and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork'	[01:53]
trinque	decimation: sounds kinda like what I understand nginx to be	[01:53]
trinque	munches a queue of that-which-must-be-done with 1-n workers	[01:53]
asciilifeform	decimation: i don't think that a mathematically-rigorous description of openssl (not to even mention boost and bdb) could be achieved in 10,000 years of sweat	[01:54]
asciilifeform	or that anyone would wish to try.	[01:54]
decimation	even the severable bits that bitcoind really needs?	[01:54]
asciilifeform	it's 'the spittoon'	[01:54]
asciilifeform	none of it is really severable from any of it	[01:54]
decimation	well, ultimately it's all running machine code	[01:55]
decimation	might need to start at that level I guess.	[01:55]
*	asciilifeform actually began there	[01:55]
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asciilifeform	tried to come up with a mechanical mapping back from bin to what produced each section in the elf	[01:55]
asciilifeform	even wrote buncha ida script idiocy	[01:55]
asciilifeform	had to put it down, too many other things going on	[01:56]
asciilifeform	gcc, as one might imagine, does not go out of its way to help this be a readily practical thing	[01:56]
asciilifeform	quite the contrary.	[01:56]
asciilifeform	rms ~deliberately~ nudges it, whenever he can, in the direction of being as opaque as possible	[01:57]
decimation	no and as I recall there's hand-written asm in openssl	[01:57]
asciilifeform	decimation: optional	[01:57]
decimation	sure, to keep folks from re-writing gcc	[01:57]
decimation	so he can haz powerz	[01:57]
asciilifeform	decimation: not quite	[01:57]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816009 << see old thread.	[01:58]
assbot	Logged on 30-08-2014 03:37:06; decimation: "The existence of LLVM is a terrible setback for our community precisely because it is not copylefted and can be used as the basis for nonfree compilers — so that all contribution to LLVM directly helps proprietary software as much as it helps us.'"	[01:58]
asciilifeform	.... and another short burst from mircea_popescu's node	[01:58]
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asciilifeform	decimation: rms did not want it to break apart into readily-plagiarizable pieces.	[01:59]
asciilifeform	this is annoying but i understand 100%	[01:59]
asciilifeform	why he did it	[01:59]
ben_vulpes	erm i thought bitcoind did service one at a time, looping over sockets	[01:59]
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decimation	sure, he wants to keep people from mkaing a bsd gcc	[02:00]
asciilifeform	gcc is the original lonely fort keeping the whole gpl thing alive	[02:01]
asciilifeform	the one thing the fucking parasites couldn't effectively plagiarize without leaving trace	[02:01]
asciilifeform	but this had a cost, yes.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	i will note that llvm (since i mentioned it again) is upon the most cursory examination a piece of shit, that wasn't even built to 'be good' - but simply with the one and only purpose of killing gcc.	[02:03]
asciilifeform	rms is spot-on here	[02:03]
asciilifeform	it exists, was built, to help him die.	[02:03]
decimation	I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him	[02:03]
asciilifeform	in the sense in which it is now alive? sure	[02:04]
asciilifeform	in the sense of keeping the 'reasonable' folks at bay? doubtful	[02:04]
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decimation	maybe.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	as soon as he's out, 'reasonable' people will crawl in and 'make compromises'	[02:04]
decimation	gpl is pretty weak sauce unless you have a barrel of lawyers to help you enforce it	[02:04]
decimation	aye, agreed	[02:05]
decimation	all I want is a world where I get source when I get software	[02:05]
decimation	but I recognize that rms' stand is probably the only way	[02:05]
asciilifeform	won't ask for it to be buildable ?	[02:05]
asciilifeform	on something which in turn is buildable ?	[02:05]
asciilifeform	etc	[02:05]
decimation	aye	[02:06]
decimation	really, he's already lost his war for the reasons you harp on re: bedrock	[02:06]
asciilifeform	rms doesn't do war. not for many years, anyway. he does 'lonely fort'	[02:06]
asciilifeform	keeping out whole universes full of filth	[02:06]
asciilifeform	that will come flooding in as soon as he's out of action	[02:07]
asciilifeform	it is already seeping through the cracks.	[02:07]
asciilifeform	has been, for some years now.	[02:07]
decimation	yeah, as far as I can tell gpl only really 'sticks' to fsf software directly	[02:07]
asciilifeform	gpl is really primarily about gcc and linuxkernel	[02:08]
decimation	yeah	[02:08]
asciilifeform	everything else is window dressing	[02:08]
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decimation	not much use to a license if you don't intend on enforcing it	[02:08]
ben_vulpes	(curse these jackholes who littered the source with printstatements that include function names)	[02:09]
ben_vulpes	is there a sane cpp logging thing that could be used in place of these print statements?	[02:10]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: there's gcc-specific stuff that folds the line and # into the print	[02:10]
asciilifeform	(can't recall off top of head what, precisely. rtfm...)	[02:10]
asciilifeform	https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Standard-Predefined-Macros.html << possibly here	[02:11]
assbot	Standard Predefined Macros - The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqXV95 )	[02:12]
asciilifeform	https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Common-Predefined-Macros.html#Common-Predefined-Macros << and here	[02:12]
assbot	Common Predefined Macros - The C Preprocessor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqXXxK )	[02:12]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: fprintf(stderr, "info: %s:%d: ", __FILE__, __LINE__);	[02:13]
*	ben_vulpes wonders at actual utility of a patch shaped like this	[02:13]
asciilifeform	i was reluctant to throw gccisms in there, but if we go and start building on mircea_popescu's soviet pdp11 we can always roll equivalent macros for that	[02:14]
asciilifeform	but if you ask me, this falls squarely under 'do this after it fucking ~works~' as described by mircea_popescu earlier.	[02:14]
*	ben_vulpes nods	[02:15]
*	asciilifeform sees another very short burst from mircea_popescu's node	[02:16]
asciilifeform	followed by silence...	[02:16]
asciilifeform	at this rate, the thing will sync some time after the eeproms in my computer lose 9/10th of their bits	[02:16]
asciilifeform	and i die of old age 3-5 times	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[02:17]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#1499 << looping over nodes, handling messages including new blocks	[02:17]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqYpMw )	[02:17]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: yes but has accept()	[02:17]
ben_vulpes	pardon?	[02:18]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: is able to take new connections while doing said loop	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	aha	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=fShutdown << for log readers interested in how precisely bitcoin shits its pants when told to go to sleep	[02:19]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: fShutdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqYD6n )	[02:19]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: but if you can write your own asynchronous everything, you can finally get the coveted msdos port...	[02:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4305 @ 0.00040539 = 1.7452 BTC [+]	[02:20]
ben_vulpes	mnope.	[02:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: didja see http://dpaste.com/2WANN89.txt	[02:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GTxC7X )	[02:21]
ben_vulpes	that'd be threadsockethandler?	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ok ?	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	what is 213.130.38.26?	[02:22]
asciilifeform	damned if i know	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	does ntt europe have a dedicated, identifiable five eyes leecher ?	[02:22]
asciilifeform	wouldn't be the first	[02:23]
asciilifeform	and not merely leecher, but pisser	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	this entire experience painfully reminds me of the famous phoneline click somehow	[02:23]
asciilifeform	aha!	[02:23]
asciilifeform	was just thinking this!	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	im sure it's just my feverish paranoia.	[02:23]
asciilifeform	if it's man-made, it's actually pretty classy	[02:23]
asciilifeform	dropping the connection would get bitcoind rotating to next node	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179703 << win.	[02:24]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 02:04:04; asciilifeform: There is no dynamic section in this file.	[02:24]
asciilifeform	(supposing we weren't using -connect)	[02:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: partial win, it's still built on (static) glibc	[02:24]
asciilifeform	but the thing is running on my box now.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	you actually managed to get glibc to static ?	[02:24]
asciilifeform	did.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty great.	[02:24]
asciilifeform	pull down the tarball from ml, try	[02:24]
asciilifeform	doesn't take high tech magic	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179724 << perfect.	[02:25]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 02:30:30; asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box)	[02:25]
asciilifeform	drop deps in 'distfiles', run stator.sh.	[02:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and yes, was gonna do this after certain tests. such as the one that is presently failing	[02:25]
asciilifeform	(-connect from motherlode)	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[02:25]
asciilifeform	and would sorta like other folks to read the damn thing	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	yea.	[02:26]
asciilifeform	(no patches necessary to the bitcoind proper beyond what was published previously)	[02:26]
asciilifeform	see ml post.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	did someoine actually answer "favourite pubkey algo" q with a ... hashing function ?!	[02:27]
asciilifeform	yeah some anon schmuck	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	"what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe"	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	"you mean sole ?" "o yeah that's the one!"	[02:27]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: why "stator"	[02:27]
asciilifeform	'the most delicious fish is the sausage.' --my grandfather	[02:27]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: static bin	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	properly made sausage actually floats. therefore not a fish	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	but a witch	[02:28]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: ouch	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	are you a pain enthusiast ben_vulpes ?	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform to answer earlier q : i think for thius purpose (running on dulap etc) static glibc is exactly right.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	doesn't help us on pogo, but that's a diff story.	[02:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking of doing for ibmpc something like what i did for pogo	[02:30]
asciilifeform	e.g. a kernel that boots right into, this.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	we'll have to bootstrap ourselves.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	so that can be v 1.1	[02:30]
asciilifeform	y'know how some hoster folks let you drop an iso in when you get the thing	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis.	[02:31]
asciilifeform	'install favourite os'	[02:31]
asciilifeform	that'd be more for dedicated nodes, aha	[02:31]
asciilifeform	for mixing into daily life - normal package suffices	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	pogo = dedicated node ; this = stick everywhere	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[02:31]
asciilifeform	but overall i like the idea of a dc box with bitcoind and LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE	[02:31]
asciilifeform	not even ssh	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	pogo.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	that box should not be in dc	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	but on consumer internet terminals.	[02:32]
asciilifeform	until we actually get limited mempool, shoot fragging in the head, etc. pogo will be a bit slow	[02:32]
asciilifeform	(it'll have to swap.)	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a 213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers	[02:32]
asciilifeform	aha	[02:33]
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asciilifeform	unquestionably the whole 'p2p' thing is the right and proper objective	[02:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00040636 = 19.038 BTC [+] {3}	[02:33]
asciilifeform	but of necessity many of the boxes involved in the ramp-up will be pc.	[02:33]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180198 << can't entirely agree here. every so often folks discover carriers diddling 'consumer' traffic in obscene ways (adding tracking crud to http, even) having gone by for years at a time with not a squeak from the chumps	[02:35]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 05:28:41; mircea_popescu: understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a 213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers	[02:35]
asciilifeform	do this at a serious dc and you have half a dozen 'bofhs' going postal	[02:36]
ben_vulpes	pardon my thickness, but what is "this" now?	[02:36]
asciilifeform	because literate folks, heard of 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc	[02:37]
ben_vulpes	oh oh	[02:37]
asciilifeform	yeah, that this.	[02:37]
ben_vulpes	diddling.	[02:37]
ben_vulpes	what is the 10x to 100x refer to - not the ip cost at a 'home' terminal?	[02:37]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: cost of setting up diddler	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you're thinking the 90s.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	those people are retired.	[02:38]
asciilifeform	i'm still in the 90s	[02:38]
asciilifeform	posting from them right now, l0l	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	nice for you - but...	[02:38]
asciilifeform	it's about 1994 here in this room	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes just more nonsense to filter.	[02:38]
ben_vulpes	ic	[02:42]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> "what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe" << haha	[02:43]
*	asciilifeform bbl.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1179994 << topless ?	[02:53]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 04:31:39; trinque: ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!"	[02:53]
mats	http://pdxwnbr.org/	[02:55]
assbot	World Naked Bike Ride \| As Bare As You Dare ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEDYEW )	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180042 << pretty much. HOWEVER, more movement has been made towards sanity in this chan over the past six months than since 2009.	[02:56]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 04:49:18; asciilifeform: and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork'	[02:56]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180079 << outright impossible.	[02:58]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 04:59:46; decimation: I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	the fsf, and the "foss" concoction, are going to be gone before the usg.	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform, trinque, decimation: how does http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#1141 implement serialization such that it writes correctly-shaped data to CBlock here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193	[02:59]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEEq6b )	[02:59]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEEqD2 )	[02:59]
ben_vulpes	(and anyone else who understands cpp)	[02:59]
decimation	ugh template shit	[03:02]
ben_vulpes	maybe someday i'll understand what precisely's going on in serialize.h	[03:02]
ben_vulpes	just strikes me as a bit of black magic that a CDataStream can deserialize itself into a CBlock with just an overloaded right shift operator	[03:03]
decimation	yes, that's what the template does	[03:03]
decimation	'overloads' >> with another function	[03:03]
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ben_vulpes	but how does it know what to serialize the block message into	[03:09]
decimation	as in, what type?	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	maybe? perhaps i'm speaking poorly of ignorance.	[03:15]
ben_vulpes	is that `CBlock block` a contiguous-ish memory section?	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	unlikely.	[03:17]
decimation	can you tell me what line you are trying to understand? where the cblock is?	[03:17]
decimation	honestly I usually end up reading C++ reference books and mumbling to myself	[03:18]
ben_vulpes	decimation: i'm struggling to understand how http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 results in a data structure that ProcessBlock can understand	[03:19]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGdYT )	[03:19]
ben_vulpes	http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1424 << processblock, third line of which calls pblock->GetHash()	[03:20]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGkUc )	[03:20]
decimation	lol it calls a macro http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0098	[03:25]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEGJ9h )	[03:25]
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decimation	the IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE in CBlock is here http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0800	[03:31]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEHdw9 )	[03:31]
decimation	any class that serializes implements this macro	[03:31]
mats	http://messageboard.inhalant.org/post/my-isopropyl-alcohol-story-6562564 jesus	[03:47]
assbot	My isopropyl alcohol story. - Inhalant Abuse Prevention ... ( http://bit.ly/1GEILpO )	[03:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00040276 = 15.8486 BTC [-] {2}	[03:51]
punkman	mats, lol. he's in netherlands, has money, and can't find better drugs than denatured alcohol?	[03:53]
mats	that occurred to me as well	[03:54]
trinque	"I did it because i like the smell." << bahaha	[04:02]
trinque	I've heard that one re: cocaine too	[04:02]
trinque	I'm sure in this case he means it.	[04:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00039684 = 5.5756 BTC [-]	[04:05]
trinque	I have sometimes been so worried about what huffing isopropyl alcohol did to me that I have even faked symptoms so that I could go to the doctor repeatedly and get all kinds of check-ups. << I gotta wonder if these people aren't just addicted to the notion that they're doing something crazy and bad.	[04:05]
trinque	and love whatever attention that brings too	[04:06]
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punkman	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139679/Meet-Shabani-handsome-gorilla-raised-Australia-fame-Japan-women-flock-zoo-just-him.html	[04:18]
assbot	Gorilla Shabani who was raised in Australia has found fame in Japan \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1dq5A9s )	[04:18]
punkman	http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/	[04:21]
assbot	RGJ Exclusive: BLM wants $1 million VIP compound from Burning Man ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRxjl1 )	[04:21]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, ya have not blocked me from qntra.net/wp-admin with iptables have ya?	[04:28]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_yCA0dsloE	[04:29]
assbot	Scary fire accident in Taiwan!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dq6nap )	[04:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00039608 = 3.0894 BTC [-] {2}	[04:30]
cazalla	punkman, we don't need no water let the mother fucker burn..	[04:31]
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punkman	heh	[04:32]
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cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBfoFl0mnho	[04:36]
assbot	Walmart Refuses to Make Confederate Flag, But Makes This Cake Instead - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRyiSe )	[04:36]
cazalla	could only get better if they storm his house and arrest him for an ISIS cake	[04:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44812 @ 0.00040145 = 17.9898 BTC [+]	[04:38]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-06-2015#1176407 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrlYJqPvLks	[04:40]
assbot	Logged on 25-06-2015 17:21:41; mircea_popescu: "fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping	[04:40]
assbot	Referendum (Grèce, Grecia, Greece, Griechenland, Grécia) : Alexis Tsipras - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRyAbK )	[04:40]
scoopbot_revived	Mining Difficulty Decreases By -0.58% http://qntra.net/2015/06/mining-difficulty-decreases-by-0-58/	[04:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15145 @ 0.00041102 = 6.2249 BTC [+] {2}	[04:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9255 @ 0.00041723 = 3.8615 BTC [+] {2}	[04:52]
ben_vulpes	cazalla: would benefit from a chart	[04:53]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHK_W17UgAEuLIl.jpg	[04:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1eRzIw7 )	[04:55]
cazalla	ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski	[04:57]
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punkman	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-27/fx-brokerages-move-close-only-ahead-monday-open	[05:23]
assbot	FX Brokerages Move To "Close Only" Ahead Of Monday Open \| Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRBLQw )	[05:23]
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jurov	http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/27/cnn-confuses-butt-plug-and-dildo-banner-for-isis-flag-at-pride/	[05:29]
assbot	CNN confuses sex toy banner for ISIS flag at Pride · PinkNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1eRC9i4 )	[05:29]
jurov	lol they see isis everywhere	[05:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4131 @ 0.00042098 = 1.7391 BTC [+]	[05:29]
punkman	jurov, in their defence, it looks like one	[05:30]
jurov	not on second look	[05:30]
cazalla	somewhat similar to that if you dropped a few stars from the ussa flag, you'd still think it was the ussa flag	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	cazalla have not, no.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180271 << hos gotta knows where to flock.	[05:55]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 07:17:23; punkman: http://www.rgj.com/longform/news/2015/06/26/blm-wants-vip-compound-burning-man/29318493/	[05:55]
cazalla	got in eventually, just took 5-10m to log into wp-admin for some reason	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	now, why would it be for ~officials~ is another matter.	[05:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30708 @ 0.00042154 = 12.9447 BTC [+] {2}	[06:03]
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punkman	!up MacCheese	[06:14]
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MacCheese	Does slackware spy on what you do on your computer?	[06:18]
MacCheese	I am Jesus Christ	[06:18]
punkman	welcome	[06:19]
MacCheese	meowmix081?	[06:25]
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punkman	http://www.williamhillplc.com/media/newsroom/media-releases/2015/no-more-bets-on-grexit/	[10:41]
assbot	William Hill PLC: No More Bets On Grexit	[10:41]
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decimation	asciilifeform, others: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 < hilarious. C++ methods being 'metaprogrammed' by C macro	[11:22]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrAIDH )	[11:22]
decimation	satoshi had no shame	[11:22]
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decimation	mixing C preprocessor and C++ templates would only occur to someone who had programed much C spagetti code in his life	[11:24]
decimation	ben_vulpes: to be clear, IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE is a C preprocessor macro that is composed of other C preprocessor macros (READWRITE) that ends up dangling all the serialize/deserialize methods onto classes of his choosing	[11:26]
decimation	the methods themselves being C++ template methods	[11:27]
punkman	nice one	[11:27]
kakobrekla	spacex just disintegrated heh	[11:29]
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mats	i was also watching the stream	[11:37]
mats	rocket disintegrates mid air	[11:37]
mats	...oops.	[11:37]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu sync from your node (or from hitler's mitm node...!) is at 193600+ and counting	[11:49]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:49]
asciilifeform	traceroute looks same today as last night.	[11:52]
asciilifeform	and it still runs in 'bursts.'	[11:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00040364 = 15.076 BTC [-]	[12:07]
asciilifeform	'BLM Special Agent Dan Love of Salt Lake City was cited multiple times as the person behind many of the BLM requests, according to the emails. Love will have a personal bathroom trailer to be shared with only one other official, according to documents. Love also led the BLM operation against Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy that ended in a standoff with Bundy's armed supporters. He did not return requests for comment this week.'	[12:18]
asciilifeform	^ mega-l0l	[12:18]
*	asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal	[12:19]
mats	'culture'	[12:19]
asciilifeform	if i wanted to sit in the sun and dig latrines i could do it for free in .mil	[12:20]
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asciilifeform	they have better pyrotechnics too.	[12:22]
asciilifeform	http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 << cpp programmers in particular have no notion of hygiene. and the more experienced, the less of a notion they have, as a rule	[12:25]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/serialize.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnqlkG )	[12:25]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180335 << pretty much what naggum said: the language and its ecosystem encourages this kind of mental decay - and selects for the susceptible in the first place	[12:27]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 14:23:29; decimation: the methods themselves being C++ template methods	[12:27]
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asciilifeform	see http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3088289335876823@naggum.no.html	[12:28]
assbot	Re: Why a lisp OS? Re: Help required on Limitations of Lisp - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1NquySi )	[12:28]
asciilifeform	in particular, 'in a sense, Windows is a result of the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it.'	[12:29]
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asciilifeform	https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00049.html << drepper!	[12:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NqvNB2 )	[12:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^^	[12:38]
asciilifeform	(re: the gconv thing. i've been bashing my head against the conundrum of how to tear out that idiocy from my static build)	[12:39]
asciilifeform	it ~has~ to go	[12:39]
asciilifeform	go and strace the thing and yes, it snarfs up this perfectly-irrelevant turd from disk	[12:39]
asciilifeform	https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00051.html << moar of same	[12:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nqw332 )	[12:40]
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asciilifeform	poettering et al are small change in comparison	[12:42]
asciilifeform	linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers.	[12:42]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180185 << my build cannot be considered battlefield-ready in this sense until the gconv thing is burned out with hot irons	[12:44]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 05:26:58; mircea_popescu: also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis.	[12:44]
asciilifeform	that thing is a ready, lubricated orifice for slithering vermin	[12:45]
asciilifeform	the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column	[12:47]
asciilifeform	how has he not spoken out (or eaten his pistol...) yet ?	[12:48]
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chetty	http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/26/artificial-intelligence-machine-gets-testy-with-its-programmers/	[13:31]
assbot	Artificial Intelligence Machine Gets Testy With Its Programmer - Digits - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDtxTo )	[13:31]
chetty	is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp?	[13:32]
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asciilifeform	'...The exchange sheds further light on the latest work carried out by large technology firms in the field of artificial intelligence, a booming field...' << apparently today is still 1966, weizenbaum's 'eliza' is 'latest work'	[13:46]
asciilifeform	!up bitcoinfailed	[13:46]
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*	asciilifeform loves the open-ended 'failed' used in the english language	[13:47]
asciilifeform	sentence doesn't need an object, why'd ya want that, aha	[13:48]
kakobrekla	Human: What do you like to talk about?	[13:49]
kakobrekla	Machine: Nothing.	[13:49]
kakobrekla	seems quite honest to me	[13:49]
asciilifeform	;;later tell BingoBoingo in your gardening, have you ever used a 19th c.-style muscle-powered grass cutter? i did today, and noticed that it is actually less exhausting than petrol-powered variety on account of my not breathing CO from tailpipe	[13:49]
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asciilifeform	208002...	[15:03]
*	asciilifeform is coming to think that we will be needing a mechanism for out-of-band (hashes, pgp) comparison of blockchains	[15:05]
*	asciilifeform is not ~at all~ certain that he is actually pulling from mircea_popescu's box, rather than a preet's	[15:06]
ben_vulpes	how could one tell? ordering of blocks?	[15:06]
asciilifeform	tell what ?	[15:06]
asciilifeform	whether he and i have same ?	[15:06]
asciilifeform	by hashing and sending pgpgram...	[15:06]
ben_vulpes	there's no guarantee that you'll produce the same blockchain on disk, though.	[15:07]
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asciilifeform	precisely	[15:07]
asciilifeform	hence why we need a mechanism to actually checksum the blocks and dump it to a man-readable form	[15:07]
ben_vulpes	i would actually be surprised if you did produce the same disk bytes via a network cslurping	[15:08]
asciilifeform	can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this	[15:08]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: you know full well that it won't	[15:08]
asciilifeform	which is why i said 'we need mechanism...' rather than 'hey mircea_popescu, hash those db turds and send me back via pgp wontcha'	[15:08]
ben_vulpes	i surmise	[15:08]
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ben_vulpes	the thing at this point lies spread apart on my vivisection table	[15:09]
ben_vulpes	i've not yet mapped its circulatory system, much less how it excretes	[15:09]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: if you wanna perform a heroid deed, find out how to nuke gconv	[15:10]
asciilifeform	*heroic	[15:10]
asciilifeform	so far, all i learned is that it can - supposedly - be disabled during glibc build config. but this is not what i want	[15:10]
ben_vulpes	i'm not actually entirely certain where the gconv stuff is coming in	[15:10]
asciilifeform	if i have to write an elf diddler to yank it out of the binary, i will	[15:11]
asciilifeform	but would rather not come to this	[15:11]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: it is coming via glibc	[15:11]
asciilifeform	see the drepper link earlier today	[15:11]
asciilifeform	that fucker is responsible	[15:11]
asciilifeform	was quite open about it.	[15:11]
ben_vulpes	that, sir, is over my pay grade.	[15:12]
asciilifeform	i'm still hoping that i overlooked something, and that it can be disabled via civilized means	[15:12]
ben_vulpes	behavior tracker has my attention at the moment.	[15:12]
ben_vulpes	(or is that another "jam tomorrow"?)	[15:13]
asciilifeform	?	[15:13]
asciilifeform	which behaviour	[15:13]
ben_vulpes	"peer ranker"	[15:13]
ben_vulpes	dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.	[15:14]
asciilifeform	as far as i can tell, there is no intelligence in it beyond the misbehave... crap	[15:14]
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ben_vulpes	i speak of mircea_popescu's desired behavior.	[15:14]
asciilifeform	that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable	[15:14]
asciilifeform	(gossip)	[15:14]
asciilifeform	right now, as i said, no one has any idea who he is talking to	[15:15]
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asciilifeform	for all i know, i'm syncing from a stooge box planted only a few miles away at my isp	[15:15]
asciilifeform	and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand	[15:15]
ben_vulpes	and if thbox serves at a high bandwidth few bastards and blocks that all verify, why not prefer it over others?	[15:15]
asciilifeform	'few bastards' is not a criterion while we're using the classical sync mechanism;	[15:16]
asciilifeform	e.g., mircea_popescu's box craps out as many bastards as anyone's	[15:16]
asciilifeform	on account of there being no intelligence whatsoever in the sync code	[15:16]
ben_vulpes	ah have ye tested that yet?	[15:16]
asciilifeform	i have the thing scrolling on own display	[15:16]
asciilifeform	have been watching it, on and off, since started	[15:16]
mats	http://newsexaminer.net/politics/sex-offenders-now-required-transparent-rainbows-profile-pictures	[15:16]
ben_vulpes	"blonde, brunette, redhead..."	[15:16]
assbot	Sex Offenders Now Required To Have Transparent Rainbows On Their Profile Image - News Examiner - Examine Your World ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZnOdC )	[15:16]
*	ben_vulpes is still curious about the block-vomiting process, and how bastards make it in	[15:17]
asciilifeform	mats: l0l, a new 'the onion'	[15:17]
mats	pretty good.	[15:19]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower	[15:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00039416 = 14.0715 BTC [-]	[15:35]
decimation	the cord is a little annoying but lack of co coming from exhaust is worthwhile	[15:35]
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mircea_popescu	and it still runs in 'bursts.' << this is a very strange behaviour. what's 193k, like 3-5% ?	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	'BLM Special Agent" ? what the fuck ? everyone in the us got their power rangers now ?	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal << pretty much the ONLY remaining spot on the west coast to meet slovenly females that are undemanding.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	your average adolescent male does not own a shirt. the female he'd be interested in dreams about waiting for "the right saudi prince".	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	imagine the tensions.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	them silly kids will not really shoot for burning man, of course, but they'd be REALLY really sad in their corner if it went away.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	"self reliance" = "we fuck in the dirt"	[15:52]
decimation	I wonder how long it will be until 'BLM special agents' start claiming sovereignty over their lands	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	in other news, i propose a petition to have the "Child Porn" utility removed from linux. why is not MauVe enough ?	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	only thing they do with CP is CI anyway.	[15:54]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform gets a confirmed kill https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00050.html drepper's the enemy.	[15:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1eSLy8Z )	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	" nobody used the code for real " ; "I personally don't care at all how big static binaries are."	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	it's like a religion.	[15:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16776 @ 0.00040003 = 6.7109 BTC [+]	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	"Nobody must use them except for very few exceptions and for those larger code size is ok."	[15:56]
decimation	heh	[15:57]
decimation	well, as we have discussed here before, the whole idea of shared libraries is kind of a fucktarded version of 'global namespaces'	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	not ~really~.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	and i base myself on the fact that they worked pretty well in practice until the new generation of "reformist" idiots got involved, and put 'locale' as a concept in c.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	before that existed, python worked fine, and static builds were trhe default and so on.	[16:01]
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mircea_popescu	linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers. << kinda why everyone is reacting with so much disbelief at the sudden "this is not acceptable". they had been doing it forever, gavin as a marginally retarded peripheral agent of the idiocy got totally blindsided by an armed insurection. that we'd pursue it is i suppose plainly unthinkable, the sort of thing the rmcgraths of th	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	e world were dreaming about in their cells twenty years ago, like my grandfather looking at the sky waiting for "the americans" to show up.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	this is also why poettering et all so plainly expected it to work etc/	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	it all makes perfect sense, looking at it now. they look like patently insane if considered on the merits, but if considered culturally they are simply "i just work here" and "this is how the world works". about as insane as an ant.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	and as decimation points out, yes we've agreed an ant's insane.	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column << you would have expected to read about it on his trilema, yes ? of what is this expectation built, if not out of the existence of trilema, and of the existence of mpoe-pr at my orders, and of the culture this engendered ? rms does not read trilema ; in his ignorance, trilema does not exist and same thing can not be rep	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	roduced for "reasons". and so he is in the unenviable position of one whom we do not doubt that behaves as one that is guilty - ie, must have known, said nothing ever.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp? << o.O	[16:10]
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mircea_popescu	"The exchange sheds further light on the latest work" << yeah. it sheds the following light : "work" by these wankers consists these days of outputting random strings from pre-made texts and trying to do a cute seleciton thereof.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	it's so wrong it's not even cargo cult.	[16:12]
asciilifeform	thing is still running in (short) bursts, as before.	[16:13]
asciilifeform	plenty of outright disconnects, too	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea.	[16:13]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 18:04:02; asciilifeform: can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this	[16:13]
asciilifeform	209209.	[16:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's been in my head for a while now.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	can this actually work for 1.1 ie next version ?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	have a -checkpoint=111 -checkpointe=113 which takes blocks 111 to 113 hashes them dumps hash.	[16:14]
asciilifeform	really shouldn't be hard. when commanded, will piss out ascii text with block # <<>> hash	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	aye	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	to think that it's not already in there for crying out loud.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	how have i lived before ?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes.	[16:16]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.	[16:16]
asciilifeform	other thing, that will have to be added, imho, asap, is a non-retarded version of 'connect'	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism.	[16:17]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:46; asciilifeform: that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform also 1.1 ideally yes.	[16:17]
asciilifeform	where 1) can -connect to multiple boxes 2) does not as result wall off from inbound connections	[16:17]
asciilifeform	say i wanna cycle between mircea_popescu's 3 boxen	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	1 before 2, yes.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	the entire idea of what we are building here is NODE HIERARCHY.	[16:18]
asciilifeform	or say i wanna permit inbounds from lusers but never getblocks() from them	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	which is to say, i wish my node to connect only to people on THIS list, and let anyone connect to it.	[16:18]
decimation	asciilifeform: what about connecting something to a running bitcoind, siphoning off blocks as they are 'validated'?	[16:18]
decimation	re-index into sane database	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	then the ability of the wankers to poison the chain becomes nil : sure, whatever nodes listen to them listen to them. the infrastructure does not.	[16:18]
asciilifeform	decimation: that's plain old -connect	[16:18]
asciilifeform	decimation: or if you meant some oddball 'embrace & extend' of the sync protocol - yeah, we'll probably get there eventually	[16:19]
decimation	yeah I guess that's kinda what I mean	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180438 << this would be so fucking great if it's the case.	[16:19]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 18:11:44; asciilifeform: and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	those poor schmucks imagine.	[16:19]
decimation	implant probes into bitcoind to suck out its blocks	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	they had to murder the connection to buy themselves another 16 hours, because OMFG THEY'RE DOING WHAT ?!?!? NOW ?!?!	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	and now have to work it	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	ahhhh	[16:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if enemy action indeed rather than the net being a ruinous ball of yarn - they were probably fuzzing for various protocol boojums	[16:20]
asciilifeform	of course, plain old reroute for snorting with derelict infrastructure would have similar 'molasses' effect..	[16:21]
asciilifeform	^ the most likely picture	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180453 << i use the same thing. co2 doesn't bother me much, however, i will go into the ss before i put up with that sort of wrist vibration.	[16:21]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	i intend to remain able to type my entire lifespan.	[16:21]
decimation	well, the other reason I use electric: one less engine to maintain	[16:22]
asciilifeform	what kind of grass mircea_popescu cuts in his flat, lol	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in timisoara i had a garden recall ?	[16:22]
asciilifeform	aha!	[16:22]
asciilifeform	yes.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	well, that.	[16:22]
decimation	no gas to store, no oil to change, etc	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	and it was about 1/4 ton of grass each cutting.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	which means about 20 in a year, which the neighbours helpfully PUT OUTSIDE BY THEIR DUMPSTERS.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	then went to supermarket and bought feed for the poor yard.	[16:23]
asciilifeform	l0l	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	then they will wish to know why isis comes and beheads them	[16:23]
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mircea_popescu	and it will be an unexpolainable hatred, i'm sure.	[16:23]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: generally here the received wisdom is that you want to leave grass clippings on the lawn	[16:24]
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decimation	rots, recycles nutrients	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	decimation what i did was pile it all in a corner.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	also rots. also provides nutrients. can be split up over the yard beforer first snow.	[16:25]
decimation	yeah, that works too	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	also attracts birds.	[16:25]
decimation	you can add kitchen scraps and wood clippings, make good compost	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	ideally you start it with a good offering of herbivore droppings.	[16:25]
decimation	that's a good idea	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	and i did add the wood clippings, ie, me cutting off an apple and a pear tree into shape over a coupla years, after having been neglected for 5ish	[16:26]
decimation	I've also heard of going to the nearest swamp and grabbing the muck	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	not very useful, for your thing will not be either that wet or that basic. very acidic	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	horsesht the only way to go.	[16:27]
decimation	yeah that's a good idea	[16:27]
decimation	^ note that this is how people made fertiziler since the dawn of time	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	just don't put anything coniferous / wallnut in there.	[16:27]
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mircea_popescu	like the ornamental tree stuffs.	[16:28]
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mircea_popescu	"You don't have to boot frmo the CDROM. And if you need a router you have a network and therefore can connect to another machine."	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:38:56 -0700	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	imo nsa of 1999 was much better organised than the crap of today.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	For instance: #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { printf ("Hello World "); } compiles to 985,018 bytes. This is almost all libc overhead.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	what is it by now ? 4mb ?	[16:31]
decimation	heh	[16:32]
decimation	it's only 8.3k on mac osx	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	that's pretty good.	[16:34]
decimation	6.4kbyte on redhat 6	[16:36]
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decimation	that's shared linking though	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	nonono, static	[16:38]
decimation	heh 743kbyte on redhat	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	mmkay.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	incredible that this "free world" thing has waited patiently, and incredibly quietly, for 25 years for us to show up. i imagine it will be very hurt in its hopes and aspirations when i spit in its mouth.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	because truly, it was waiting for salvation! resisting through culture!	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	they really did mean to assassinate hitler!	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	just biding their time, waiting for a good opportunity, honest! wanted to do maximum damage, and as we all know, ~MAXIMUM~ damage is always in the future.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	what's needed is a fucking ISCS. the intellectual state of computer science.	[16:43]
decimation	heh	[16:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37819 @ 0.00040263 = 15.2271 BTC [+] {2}	[16:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110900 @ 0.00039366 = 43.6569 BTC [-] {4}	[16:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23043 @ 0.0003933 = 9.0628 BTC [-]	[17:00]
punkman	...and banks closed for a week, maybe.	[17:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.0003933 = 16.263 BTC [-]	[17:10]
punkman	also first jackpot yesterday, burglars got away with some guy's safe containing 700k in cash/jewelry	[17:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00040537 = 14.8568 BTC [+] {2}	[17:21]
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asciilifeform	214873.	[17:39]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180504 << still need it, to, e.g., keep lusers from taking shits into the mempool	[17:41]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 19:13:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180433 << as you clearly notice, the pipe is authenticable does not equal gosspid : we can have out of band authenticifaction as per the above mechanism.	[17:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31619 @ 0.000407 = 12.8689 BTC [+]	[18:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.0004092 = 16.3475 BTC [+]	[18:17]
chetty	asciilifeform, if my node only connects to your node mempool is safe right	[18:17]
asciilifeform	whose ?	[18:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.0004048 = 5.2422 BTC [-] {2}	[18:31]
chetty	mine	[18:34]
asciilifeform	depends on who got to crap in mine, doesnit.	[18:34]
chetty	yes	[18:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10820 @ 0.00039959 = 4.3236 BTC [-] {2}	[18:38]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180430 << another worthy direction yes. << not jam tomorrow, then?	[18:41]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.	[18:41]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: Misbehaving is p lulzy	[18:50]
ben_vulpes	great enumeration of badness	[18:50]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180453 <<< electric mower and whipper snipper seems like a recipe for trouble	[18:52]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower	[18:52]
mats	i dun even have a lawn	[18:54]
mats	and i am glad	[18:54]
cazalla	i wish i could mow the lawn every day	[18:55]
mats	what are we talking about now	[18:56]
ben_vulpes	caz has a shaving fetish, gets razor burn, tries not to cry, cries a lot	[18:57]
mats	pretty tame compared to mp's interests	[18:58]
cazalla	a shaving fetish.. that's a first.. gotta google this one	[18:59]
cazalla	who would've guessed.. manshavingfetish.blogspot.com.au	[19:00]
ben_vulpes	heh.	[19:00]
ben_vulpes	rule 48.	[19:00]
cazalla	seriously though, i enjoy mowing the lawn, that fresh cut look, the smell, the goodies for my compost	[19:00]
mats	i dunno what i expected when i clicked that	[19:01]
mats	insta regret	[19:02]
cazalla	mats, just don't drop dead in front of PC with that page open eh	[19:02]
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mats	"There are still too many people out there who think (or even insist) that static linking has benefits. This has never been the case and never will be the case." this guy...	[19:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00039431 = 3.9825 BTC [-] {2}	[19:21]
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trinque	a yard sale was selling a mac performa for five bucks... so now I own one of those	[19:41]
*	trinque shrugs	[19:41]
trinque	maybe fun for old mac games	[19:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30388 @ 0.00040896 = 12.4275 BTC [+]	[19:42]
trinque	hypercard "player" ?	[19:47]
trinque	wtf is this shit	[19:47]
asciilifeform	trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658	[19:47]
assbot	Loper OS » How to Run HyperCard Under Emulation ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXIxoO )	[19:47]
asciilifeform	get the real one	[19:47]
asciilifeform	(as seen in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 )	[19:47]
assbot	Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1QXIx8g )	[19:47]
trinque	sweet, ty	[19:48]
cazalla	dat wicked sense of humour https://twitter.com/abuuomar428/status/614714028368232448	[19:50]
trinque	asciilifeform: it does seem as per your write-up, that there was a far more inventive apple once upon a time, which jobs put to a stop in favor of iOS appification	[19:51]
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asciilifeform	trinque: hypercard was written by 1 guy	[19:51]
asciilifeform	(initially)	[19:51]
asciilifeform	so not 'more inventive apple'	[19:51]
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trinque	ah	[19:51]
asciilifeform	just less actively retarded	[19:51]
trinque	would this one take that microexplorer card?	[19:52]
trinque	not that I've been able to find one anywhere online	[19:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00039412 = 1.6356 BTC [-]	[19:53]
asciilifeform	microexplorer ?	[19:53]
trinque	lisp machine board for the mac of some sort	[19:54]
asciilifeform	you may be thinking of symbolics's 'macivory'	[19:54]
asciilifeform	you can get these from dave schmidt, virginia, usa	[19:54]
trinque	that's another I think	[19:55]
asciilifeform	'explorer' was the crappy texas instruments lispm	[19:55]
asciilifeform	(they were among the original mit licensees, yes)	[19:55]
trinque	http://lemonodor.com/archives/2002/10/ti_microexplore.html	[19:55]
assbot	Lemonodor: TI microExplorer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJR8qc )	[19:55]
trinque	ah k	[19:55]
asciilifeform	it is barely a step above the original 'cadr' machine	[19:55]
asciilifeform	'macivory' was on the other hand pretty much as good as it got	[19:55]
trinque	only purpose of this archaelogical dig is my own historical education	[19:55]
asciilifeform	http://www.symbolics-dks.com << if you want one, talk to this fella	[19:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RJR9KV )	[19:55]
asciilifeform	it'll be somewhere south of 2k usd	[19:56]
asciilifeform	(last i checked. which was some years ago.)	[19:56]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I've used a couple. I like the strong lines they put in the grass, but they cut so short	[20:27]
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trinque	ah turns out it had an original hypercard already on there from 1996	[20:52]
trinque	and flying toasters!	[20:58]
trinque	what else does a guy need	[20:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16403 @ 0.00040763 = 6.6864 BTC [-] {2}	[21:04]
ben_vulpes	trinque: does it have 'naughty dog' as well?	[21:08]
trinque	ben_vulpes: nah this version of after dark only has 5 screen savers	[21:12]
trinque	no naughty dog, no lawn mower man	[21:12]
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ben_vulpes	disappointing.	[21:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8157 @ 0.00039844 = 3.2501 BTC [-]	[21:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00041034 = 5.7858 BTC [+] {2}	[21:22]
ben_vulpes	http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << "resistance through culture"	[21:30]
assbot	How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoFuk0 )	[21:30]
ben_vulpes	?	[21:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.0004107 = 2.033 BTC [+] {2}	[21:31]
mats	http://www.securitytube.net/video/13389	[21:41]
assbot	Circle City Con 2015 - Analyzing The Entropy Of Document Hidden Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoGch2 )	[21:41]
*	BingoBoingo building stator on HUGEfreetop. Just set freetop up with Linux Mint 17.1 because lazy	[21:42]
*	asciilifeform prepares to release mighty cool thing	[21:46]
mats	BingoBoingo: do ya have a pogo yet?	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	mats: Not yet. I prolly ought to get on that soon	[21:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40054 @ 0.00040187 = 16.0965 BTC [-] {2}	[21:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00003331 = 3.331 BTC [-] {13}	[21:53]
mats	did anyone ever buy a pallet of em or whatever the plan was?	[21:54]
BingoBoingo	Someone may have?	[21:54]
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mats	i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one	[21:54]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[21:55]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:	[21:55]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000103.html	[21:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NoHhFS )	[21:55]
asciilifeform	'(EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor'	[21:55]
mats	would love to read the code and assist in other ways but am occupied atm	[21:55]
mats	http://netsectldr.postach.io	[21:56]
assbot	mubix	[21:56]
mats	r/netsec roundup podcast	[21:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu asked for this (after mircea_popescu asked, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180491 )	[21:56]
assbot	Logged on 28-06-2015 19:09:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180407 << this is actually a very beautiful idea.	[21:56]
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asciilifeform	here it is.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	now who has the balls to write 'eatblock' !	[21:57]
asciilifeform	after that, one could sync over 'netcat'	[21:58]
asciilifeform	(if suicidally brave)	[21:58]
asciilifeform	at line speed.	[21:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00039403 = 17.1009 BTC [-] {2}	[22:00]
asciilifeform	and iirc the BuildMerkleTree() is not necessary	[22:01]
ben_vulpes	yaay!	[22:05]
ben_vulpes	dude i've prayed for a thing like this for some time	[22:06]
*	asciilifeform confirmed that merkletree is not needed	[22:06]
asciilifeform	for this	[22:06]
ben_vulpes	what's with the odd indentation on 35/6?	[22:07]
asciilifeform	no idea	[22:08]
asciilifeform	all looks same on my emacs	[22:08]
ben_vulpes	i see a tab on 36	[22:08]
ben_vulpes	not that it matters i don't imagine	[22:08]
asciilifeform	which one's that	[22:09]
ben_vulpes	line number of patch	[22:09]
ben_vulpes	let's fight about whitespace rules	[22:09]
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trinque	this whole concept of "website" is fucking stupid	[22:12]
trinque	I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out	[22:13]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[22:13]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:	[22:13]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000104.html	[22:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NoIsox )	[22:13]
asciilifeform	'(CORRECTED) (EXPERIMENTAL) Raw Block Extractor'	[22:13]
ben_vulpes	trinque: wotclassifieds!	[22:15]
ben_vulpes	gribble did this.	[22:15]
trinque	ben_vulpes: had a vague thought re: putting buys/sells in the blockchain somehow	[22:15]
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ben_vulpes	NO	[22:16]
trinque	yus	[22:16]
ben_vulpes	just say no.	[22:16]
trinque	I can put whatever I like in the blockchain	[22:16]
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ben_vulpes	pissing in mother crypto.	[22:17]
ben_vulpes	anyways asciilifeform if you care there are still misalignments	[22:17]
*	trinque goes off to encode dickbutt.jpg as transaction outputs	[22:17]
ben_vulpes	dickbutt.ascii hyuuuu	[22:17]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: fix it yourself. this can be part of you signing the thing 'i read it...'	[22:18]
ben_vulpes	as i said: 'if you care'	[22:18]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180722 << have you tried buying from the fella who is living in a warehouse full of'em ?	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 29-06-2015 01:09:31; trinque: I want to simply publish the fact "I want to buy a macivory" and have anyone selling one be able to find that out	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	ago	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	heya	[22:21]
asciilifeform	^ there he is!	[22:21]
trinque	asciilifeform: I'll e-mail him, but read chatter from the last few years about not getting replies from the guy	[22:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu we have blockshitter	[22:21]
trinque	2k's outside the historic artifact collection budget for now	[22:21]
trinque	saw somebody snagged one for about 600	[22:21]
trinque	maybe five years ago	[22:21]
asciilifeform	trinque: macivory ?	[22:21]
*	assbot gives voice to mike_c	[22:22]
trinque	believe it was, yeah	[22:22]
trinque	somebody sold one on ebay	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sorry ?	[22:22]
asciilifeform	oh and it only works in certain macs, with certain videoboards	[22:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: see log. new patch	[22:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: does the thing we spoke of	[22:23]
asciilifeform	craps out block x on demand	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	o hey	[22:23]
trinque	asciilifeform: since the performa in question was five bucks, I wont be too sad if it ends up in the garbage	[22:23]
asciilifeform	trinque: dks used to supply the mac and video board to go with it, when you bought from him	[22:23]
trinque	seems the other route is finding an alpha machine	[22:23]
asciilifeform	trinque: i'm sitting on a stack of those	[22:23]
asciilifeform	trinque: you can have one for the cost of postage	[22:24]
trinque	oh? I'd be interested in that.	[22:24]
asciilifeform	(pgpgram if interested)	[22:24]
trinque	k	[22:24]
asciilifeform	would need to dust it off, see if still runs	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell agorecki how's the learning coming along ?	[22:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	$ sha512sum 217040.bin	[22:33]
asciilifeform	580c13b6492b526d2564398e5f28d17aa4d2e97c3321aa47908bf02da12237425cb0c17e6fdfbab1f347d5c4e1851c96b1e0ee36c088b18ae4ef3ed6e5bd1099	[22:33]
asciilifeform	^ example, freshly pulled from mircea_popescu's box	[22:33]
asciilifeform	oops	[22:33]
asciilifeform	forgot the	[22:33]
asciilifeform	./bitcoind dumpblock 217040 217040.bin	[22:33]
asciilifeform	anyway, pretty obvious how to use.	[22:34]
asciilifeform	why this was not included from day 1, who can say.	[22:34]
ben_vulpes	it'd make introspection easy!	[22:35]
*	asciilifeform waits to learn what cthonian horrors will be uncovered by folks using this item	[22:35]
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asciilifeform	in principle, when we get 'eatblock' it will be possible to pass around a 'naked' blockchain with upper bound of its mass being $blockheight MB	[22:38]
asciilifeform	(less, with compression)	[22:39]
asciilifeform	i'm not thrilled with the idea of folks doing this as daily practice	[22:39]
asciilifeform	because it sorta defeats the whole point of a p2p gizmo	[22:39]
asciilifeform	but there is a time and place for it	[22:40]
trinque	asciilifeform: sent	[22:42]
asciilifeform	trinque: will answer when i wake up	[22:43]
trinque	k, no rush	[22:43]
trinque	and I appreciate it	[22:43]
trinque	if it doesn't work or ya decide you want the box yourself, no worries	[22:44]
asciilifeform	np	[22:44]
asciilifeform	i already have some	[22:44]
asciilifeform	trinque: btw, it is my understanding that most of the opengenera enthusiasts are using the 'snap4' unofficial warez x86-64 port now	[22:45]
asciilifeform	trinque: i'd suggest trying that one on for size before resorting to archaeological dig	[22:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25597 @ 0.00041111 = 10.5232 BTC [+] {2}	[22:45]
trinque	k	[22:46]
trinque	maybe that's one I tried a while back in kvm	[22:47]
*	asciilifeform bbl	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes well, yes, tomorrow. but can't hurt thinking about.	[22:48]
BingoBoingo	strator bitcoind built and running up to block 45000	[22:50]
*	ben_vulpes sighs	[22:51]
ben_vulpes	scratches through shitpile for 'jam today' tickets	[22:51]
ben_vulpes	in other news	[22:51]
ben_vulpes	libboost-all-dev << what is this horror	[22:51]
ben_vulpes	how would i see what this thing contains	[22:52]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45864.0 << for the sake of lulz	[23:10]
assbot	100 (25+25+40+10) BTC Bounty: Blkindex.dat Rebuild Function & others ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkpvG )	[23:10]
decimation	"It?s as though Americans are buying into a fast-talking sales pitch without being allowed to read the print, whether it?s large print or small."	[23:12]
*	assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	!up agorecki	[23:13]
-assbot-	You voiced agorecki for 30 minutes.	[23:13]
*	assbot gives voice to agorecki	[23:13]
gabriel_laddel	Lord Vulpes's Academy for Gifted Youngsters?	[23:13]
gabriel_laddel	Vulpes Academy?	[23:13]
gabriel_laddel	Hmm	[23:13]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah that's the kind of patch I was implying	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180690 << nice!	[23:16]
assbot	Logged on 29-06-2015 00:50:35; mats: i'd be happy to share a few bits to encourage folks to get one	[23:16]
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ben_vulpes	gabriel_laddel: 'tain't about the youngsters except insofar as their parents are in the wot	[23:16]
ben_vulpes	anyways, i'm off to grill chicken and romp dog with other junior members of the clan	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180705 << no need to be suicidally brave. what it does is, "people's checkpoints". as in, anyone may run a bitcoin with a chain starting with an arbitrary block.	[23:17]
assbot	Logged on 29-06-2015 00:54:21; asciilifeform: (if suicidally brave)	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	sort of, everyone's a checkpoint manager.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	or, "i don't give a shit about txn prior to X"	[23:17]
ben_vulpes	(^ more or less kills headers-first abomination)	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	incredible the amount of innovation simply sprouting forth from the ground once someone says "nobody asked you anything" @ the usual barnacles.	[23:19]
gabriel_laddel	ben_vulpes: so there will be no making a (slight) profit educating other's youngsters?	[23:20]
gabriel_laddel	pity	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	the profit is to be made in flesh.	[23:21]
*	mircea_popescu contemplates a future where the only tuition is prostitution.	[23:21]
ben_vulpes	gabriel_laddel: the profit is in amortized costs of education over wot	[23:21]
gabriel_laddel	I see.	[23:22]
ben_vulpes	anyways, out for real now.	[23:22]
gabriel_laddel	I'd sort of imagined the camus as a set of WoT-enabled buildings.	[23:22]
gabriel_laddel	In maybe Beijing, Tel Aviv, Seoul	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel think about it. why would you want to spend time with an idiot if you're not fucking her. and what else is an idiot if not one in dire need of some education.	[23:22]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: there are not many real people in my locale that I get to play with :/	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	virtual educations are like virtual machines.	[23:25]
gabriel_laddel	?	[23:25]
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mircea_popescu	cheap, dispensable solutions you can't rely on.	[23:25]
gabriel_laddel	also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members	[23:25]
gabriel_laddel	My impression of Vulpes Academy was that it would have a physical manifestation.	[23:27]
gabriel_laddel	Sort of like a club for kids whose parents are on the up and up	[23:27]
gabriel_laddel	with a library	[23:27]
gabriel_laddel	and a lab	[23:27]
gabriel_laddel	and visiting instructors	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	how about you educate your children pre-puberty, and whoever they feel like educates them post ?	[23:28]
mats	lol what	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	there is really no substance to the institution of marriage outside of this.	[23:28]
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gabriel_laddel	hmmm...	[23:28]
mats	22:21:54 <+gabriel_laddel> also, I would be very much like to have some Chinese & Korean kids educated by WoT members << you adopting asians now?	[23:28]
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gabriel_laddel	mats: someone has to bribe fab operators.	[23:29]
mats	get back to me in a few years, huh	[23:29]
gabriel_laddel	mats: lol, I need to be adopted, not the other way around.	[23:30]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: It seems to me that the academy should educate kids of ages 15 and older, so you have something to work with.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	a) you can't educate "a class". individuals only ; b) you can't educate people you don't, most intimately, know ; c) there's no education outside of the educated's choice.	[23:32]
gabriel_laddel	"we assume you can read, write and do simple mathematics - now build some rockets and jungle IC on the cheap"	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.	[23:32]
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*	asciilifeform back	[23:33]
asciilifeform	anybody build that thing ?	[23:33]
decimation	I was gonna, but gave up trying to get the pile of dependent patches	[23:33]
asciilifeform	decimation: you can use my tree from last night	[23:34]
asciilifeform	it's in the tarball	[23:34]
decimation	oh I thought that was just the binary	[23:34]
decimation	I'll start it	[23:34]
asciilifeform	for testing only	[23:34]
asciilifeform	naturally	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/08/how-to-escape-the-age-of-mass-delusion/ << not a bad read actually.	[23:35]
assbot	How To Escape The Age Of Mass Delusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkDTM )	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	"The fuel, as usual, is the emotional blackmail of people of goodwill, the uses of mass mobilization to exploit that goodwill, then, finally, to render all such goodwill meaningless."	[23:35]
asciilifeform	incidentally, anybody who wants can now easily serve http://yourthing/blocks/x	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	yes. empty "goodwill" is closer to a crime than to a good thing.	[23:35]
cazalla	http://www.baldursgate.com/ ermagawd 10 day count down to something.. bg3	[23:37]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-06-2015#1180855 << the non-gay mathematicians et al will have problems with this algo	[23:37]
assbot	Baldur's Gate ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKkEHa )	[23:37]
assbot	Logged on 29-06-2015 02:28:44; mircea_popescu: so... let them pick sex partners. that's the only education they either can have or need.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform most mathematicians hate teaching anyway	[23:38]
gabriel_laddel	lol	[23:38]
asciilifeform	somebody's gotta teach the damn stuff	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	because why ?	[23:38]
asciilifeform	ditto engineering, programming, etc	[23:38]
gabriel_laddel	EVERYTHING MUST REVOLVE AROUND SEX ALL THE TIME	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	if nobody had taught poettering how to write, the loss ?	[23:38]
asciilifeform	the better schools use a kind of 'riker's island' approach anyway	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel your protest is not unlike protesting everything on earth gotta spin around the sun.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	society is built on fucking.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	'listen maggots, in six weeks come back with a basic unix'	[23:39]
gabriel_laddel	I'm not protesting, just noting that perhaps not everyone is quite as sexually driven as yourself .	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	why do you think i myself have anything to do with it ?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	it is with great sorrow i say the above, no sort of anticipation.	[23:40]
gabriel_laddel	Hrm. Perhaps I should have said "not everyone sees everything through the lense of sexual attraction constantly" - myself being a prime example.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	that'd be a problem of poor sight.	[23:42]
gabriel_laddel	And the probably also the straight(?) mathematican I had a conversation with last weekend.	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	"I think the reason there is so little “comedy” that’s funny today is the genre itself has been hijacked by the humorless PC crowd." <<-->> http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/	[23:43]
assbot	"Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0c4Ym )	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel the notion that one can educate outside of a sexual context is not unlike the notion that one can write code without reading any.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	you know... for kids!	[23:43]
gabriel_laddel	What.	[23:44]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> anybody build that thing ? << i did try to build your "stator" tarball from lastnight. i provisioned a new deb6 with glibc/gcc-4.5.4, had some issues, never was able to build whole orchestra. I think its perhaps system related.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: one can educate in a brutalizing/disciplinarian context	[23:44]
gabriel_laddel	I've never slept with anyone I've learned from.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	(as in army)	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform brutality is purely sexual.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	what was the sexual element in 'come back with operating system in 6 weeks or go flip burgers' ?	[23:44]
mod6	I have to pull up from this and work on the SoBA now. Otherwise would have normally given you all kinds of dpastes/asked for help. But instead, I'm just going to look back into this after the start of the month. I hope that's alright.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	mod6: no hurry	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel's committing this error where he's proposing that since he's not fucking the girl, he's not in love with her ; asciilifeform is committing this error where since there was a building in the vicinity of the learning, the building is now a school.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	these are unsubstantial, purely nominalist problems	[23:45]
*	asciilifeform can sorta see where mircea_popescu is going	[23:46]
mod6	Ok, I'll for sure revisit this after the doc is done. I think this one is gonna be lengthy, just wanna make sure I get that done.	[23:46]
gabriel_laddel	toodles	[23:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00041039 = 6.279 BTC [-]	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	Along these lines, Meerloo offers a prescription: “We must learn to treat the demagogue and aspirant dictator in our midst just as we should treat our external enemies in a cold war – with the weapon of ridicule. The demagogue himself is almost incapable of humor of any sort, and if we treat him with humor, he will begin to collapse. Humor is, after all, related to a sense of perspective. If we can see how things s	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	hould be, we can see how askew they can get, and we can recognize distortion when we are confronted with it.” << for the record, this is rank nonsense. it only seems to work because americans are the worst of all german stocks - incredibly stolid, unhumorous fellows.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	societies exhibiting an incredibly exacerbated "making fun" cancer have been recorded. they still have the same problems with demagogues and peoples' general emotional insanity. humor is no panacea.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	that said, it'd be incredible cultural progress for the us if it actually was a little funnier.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	the only stable solution is in any case willing submitting to chosen people. and there should be no room for "state" anywhere once that's done.	[23:50]
*	asciilifeform just heard, at close range - out of window - a bird devoured by cat. nature's music.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so the bad news is that it looks like node will be off for something like 24 hours.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	but hopefully this fixes the nonsense.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	no spares yet ?	[23:56]
asciilifeform	and did mircea_popescu ever learn of a cause for the nonsense in question ?	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	(note that at the current rate, it'd have been a lifetime)	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	well not yet, no.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	i'd have tried tunneling 8333 from some very distant place	[23:57]
asciilifeform	and connecting through that	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	any improvement ?	[23:57]
asciilifeform	well, let 213.130.38.26 et al chew on a crypted turdstream	[23:58]
BingoBoingo	strator built now passed block 123455	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	o hey wd bb!	[23:58]
asciilifeform	stator?	[23:59]
BingoBoingo	That	[23:59]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: where did you build it ?	[23:59]
BingoBoingo	Built on the Phreetop running linux Mint 17.1 (because lazy)	[23:59]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: tried the block dumper patch yet ?	[23:59]
asciilifeform	applies cleanly to same tree	[23:59]

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