Forum logs for 27 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu and again, armored. nothing but letters and digits in there. not even +/ etc. [00:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when idiot www crud or os (anywhere in the chain) starts gnawing at your line endings, or adding line noise, you blow the fixed frame [00:00]
mircea_popescu how ? [00:01]
mircea_popescu !s sha1 [00:01]
asciilifeform winblow cr, lf line ending [00:01]
assbot 30 results for 'sha1' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sha1 [00:01]
asciilifeform often gets auto-substituted in place of proper ones [00:01]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2014#877599 [00:01]
assbot Logged on 16-10-2014 14:00:51; mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256 [00:01]
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Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, I just found that line to fix the issue, but thank you [00:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you don't use cf, lf etc. [00:02]
asciilifeform me - no [00:02]
mircea_popescu no, the re-pgp imp,ementation [00:02]
asciilifeform but what of all those poor sods stuck on antideluvian ms-dos abominations [00:03]
mircea_popescu o, now we care ? [00:03]
asciilifeform only in so far as their crud has made its way into www browsers, etc [00:03]
mircea_popescu shit son. if only i knew about this, we could have made diff design changes on bitcoin core. [00:03]
asciilifeform lol [00:03]
asciilifeform idea is mutilation-resistance [00:03]
mircea_popescu why ? [00:03]
mircea_popescu idea is, "it only works if it works" [00:04]
asciilifeform because if not, why even bother with ascii, use gpg binary format [00:04]
mircea_popescu because i can't read that. [00:04]
mircea_popescu why even bother with a proper init, use systemd [00:04]
* asciilifeform likes to examine turds with naked eyes [00:04]
asciilifeform lol [00:04]
mircea_popescu anyway, thgis is more an aesthetic consideratyion. ditching symmetric cyphers is the more substantial thing, and since a reimplementation happenes, might as well add aesthetics. [00:05]
asciilifeform don't misunderstand, i like the 'fixed fields' idea, but am also aware that shitgnome excretions in a hundred places in commonplace toolchains will silently screw with it. [00:05]
mircea_popescu so that means those toolchains will have to change or die ? [00:05]
mircea_popescu o noes! [00:05]
asciilifeform ehehe [00:05]
mircea_popescu i feel so bad forcing inconvenient change upon random people. [00:05]
mircea_popescu like bathing. [00:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu probably recalls our convo re: pure-rsa. we'll have it. [00:06]
jurov .d https://coinbr.com/punkman_bbet.txt.asc [00:06]
jurov ha. does it do htps? [00:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: though it will further imperil folks who are enciphering on hardware without proper rng. [00:06]
mircea_popescu jurov https is evil in the eyes of the punkbot!!1 [00:06]
asciilifeform (need lotsa padding) [00:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the cypher itself is too short anyway [00:07]
mircea_popescu so no, it won't imperil them, it will just make the peril obvious [00:07]
asciilifeform aha [00:07]
asciilifeform but with pure-rsa, enciphering on a generic pc will be a suicidal act. [00:07]
mircea_popescu so make the fucking cardano already. [00:07]
punkman .deed https://coinbr.com/punkman_bbet.txt.asc [00:07]
punkbot punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. [00:07]
asciilifeform cardano-1 doesn't encipher... [00:07]
jurov lol [00:08]
mircea_popescu JUSTTTTT do itttt! [00:08]
* asciilifeform sincerely hopes no one is surprised [00:08]
kakobrekla jurov what will you deliver if bbet delists? [00:08]
jurov i can maintain virtual balances on coinbr just for him [00:09]
punkman picture of shares? [00:09]
mircea_popescu i guess he delivers a copy of the above ? [00:09]
mircea_popescu on a postcard. [00:09]
kakobrekla unserious. [00:10]
jurov ha. poor qntra writer deeds will contain clause like "receiver is responsible for identifying any circumstances that may render this agreement void and act accordingly" [00:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wanted padding... [00:13]
asciilifeform random padding lol [00:13]
jurov "such as, mpex delisting, impending death, etc." [00:13]
asciilifeform http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/1448/definition-of-textbook-rsa << for schoolchildren [00:14]
assbot cryptanalysis - Definition of Textbook RSA - Cryptography Stack Exchange [00:14]
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mircea_popescu myeah, the only bitch is that determinism. [00:15]
asciilifeform http://www.di.ens.fr/~pnguyen/pub_BoJoNg00.htm << for more advanced student [00:15]
mircea_popescu also doing away with the 65537 static and instead using any 64bit integer with exactly 32 on bits would be better. [00:16]
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punkman .status [00:16]
punkbot punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 40 minutes and 5 seconds ago [00:16]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that one's for when you built a Si fab [00:18]
mircea_popescu why ? [00:18]
mircea_popescu it's not THAT slow. [00:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: space. [00:19]
mircea_popescu what space ? srsly ? [00:19]
mircea_popescu somehow making movies "HD" is ok for space [00:19]
asciilifeform the 32k in me micro, that space [00:19]
mircea_popescu what micro ? [00:19]
asciilifeform cardano, what other [00:19]
mircea_popescu i wasn't talking about the cardano! i was talking about the new pgp [00:19]
asciilifeform ehe [00:19]
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jurov mircea_popescu: other people's signatures will be detached from definition... or do you want to include the patch everywhere? [00:22]
mircea_popescu jurov huh? [00:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, know of any rng process to compute fixed count onbits random numbers ? [00:22]
jurov author sends email with attached patch and signature as similarly-named attachments [00:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is helpfully reminded that not all mersenne numbers are mersenne primes! [00:22]
jurov B and C send only named signatures as attachemnt [00:23]
mircea_popescu jurov oh yeah, i wasn't commenting on your implementation, i was just bitching at the stars. [00:23]
jurov i they approve the patch [00:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fixed count on bits << easy as a fart. start with the bits, then shuffle with rng transpositions. [00:23]
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mircea_popescu ah that's a point. [00:23]
mircea_popescu cool. [00:23]
mircea_popescu ;;google list of mersenne primes [00:24]
gribble Mersenne prime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Mersenne Primes: History, Theorems and Lists - The Prime Pages: ; Integer Lists: Mersenne Primes - TSM Resources: [00:24]
asciilifeform (trivial example - 2^4 - 1 == 15.) [00:24]
mircea_popescu yeah google, always put wikipedia the fucking first line, because i'm sure that's what the "algorithm" says. [00:24]
mircea_popescu buncha inept frauds... [00:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform 65537 is not a mersenne prime either. what did i step into ? [00:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fermat primes. [00:26]
asciilifeform iirc [00:27]
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asciilifeform afaik 65537 is largest known fermat prime. [00:28]
mircea_popescu you telling me the rsa e must be a fermat prime ? why ? [00:28]
asciilifeform it doesn't need to be. [00:28]
asciilifeform but does need to be prime. [00:28]
mircea_popescu afaik it's only used because easy to compute, two 1's merged into a word [00:28]
asciilifeform yes, that is why used. [00:28]
asciilifeform easy with bitshifts [00:28]
asciilifeform hence the obligatory whinge about new silicon [00:29]
mircea_popescu eh fuck it, usgavin promised us 100% increases each year for the next 200 years [00:29]
asciilifeform ahaha. [00:29]
mircea_popescu or whatever was it. i intend to hold usg at his word. [00:29]
mircea_popescu but anyway, why's e have to be prime ? [00:29]
asciilifeform work it out [00:29]
mircea_popescu the idea is just for (q-1)(p-1) and e to be relatively prime [00:30]
mircea_popescu which isn't that hard to test [00:30]
mircea_popescu (and for that matter, it IS quite fucking possible for the current, fixed e implementation to spit out badly coded stuff every once in a blue moon, when the p q happen to be a multiple of 65537) [00:31]
asciilifeform the broom - fires once. yes. [00:31]
mircea_popescu well ? [00:31]
mircea_popescu "pick 32 onbit 64bit random numbers, test for cd" is a much better approach [00:31]
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asciilifeform although - how on earth can pxq be a multiple of 65537 !? [00:32]
asciilifeform for prime p and q [00:32]
asciilifeform unless one or both are equal to it [00:32]
mircea_popescu i guess it can't be because -1 [00:33]
mircea_popescu fuck. lmao. e just has to be... ODD [00:33]
asciilifeform aha. [00:33]
mircea_popescu not prime. [00:33]
asciilifeform as i said, let's grunt out what happens if composite. [00:33]
mircea_popescu stop trying to confuse me just because i have nfi of anything! [00:33]
asciilifeform loll [00:33]
asciilifeform out of such confusion, is everything born [00:33]
asciilifeform as mircea_popescu might say [00:34]
mircea_popescu oh i see, just the confusion tip is it. [00:34]
asciilifeform obligatory l33t w4r3z: https://notendur.hi.is/pgg/Handbook%20of%20Applied%20Cryptography.pdf [00:35]
asciilifeform (massive pdf turd) [00:35]
mircea_popescu anyway. p and q are primes. p-1 and p-1 being necessarily even, will probably have some factors. these factors could just as well be 65537 [00:35]
jurov rsa is only possible because we have probabilistic primality tests for bignums up to arbitrary certainty [00:35]
mircea_popescu the odds are low but present. [00:35]
mircea_popescu p-1 and q-1* [00:35]
asciilifeform jurov: actually we have a deterministic primality test! with massive constant factor, but anyway. [00:36]
asciilifeform (deterministic in P!) [00:36]
punkbot Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/196PrJjL [00:36]
assbot Bundle 196PrJjL | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [00:36]
mircea_popescu o look, there's a M48. i had no idea. [00:37]
mircea_popescu 2^57,885,161 - 1 [00:37]
punkman btw some bundles can't be turned into bitcoin keys, found out by accident [00:38]
mircea_popescu why is that ? [00:38]
* asciilifeform fondly remembers donating his first real multi-cpu rig's cycles to mersenne search [00:38]
punkman hash must be smaller than 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffebaaedce6af48a03bbfd25e8cd0364141 [00:38]
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mircea_popescu ugh [00:39]
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mircea_popescu shit. [00:39]
jurov just cut one bit from the hash [00:39]
punkman it's not a problem, just wait for next deed, hash changes [00:39]
asciilifeform or.... [00:39]
asciilifeform define as hash(hash... 'by the neck until dead' [00:39]
mircea_popescu punkman ^ asciilifeform has it. [00:39]
mircea_popescu if too large, rehash. [00:40]
mircea_popescu it's how wol does it. [00:40]
jurov how did you generate such a collision? [00:40]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: re sig stack is the implication that a signs patch, b signs patch and a.sig, c patch and b.sig... [00:40]
* asciilifeform feels useful for a sec [00:40]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so ? [00:40]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: correct. [00:40]
mircea_popescu if you're not willing to sign the present signs you;'d better fork. [00:41]
jurov why? [00:41]
asciilifeform aha hence hashchain. [00:41]
ben_vulpes forgive my derpitude but why not simply sign the patch and collect sigs? [00:41]
punkman jurov, I manually entered 0xfff...f at some point, although address generation library would have caught it [00:41]
jurov can't they jsut sign independently? [00:41]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i have no idea, it could be done that way too [00:41]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, fyi the link to the slides at http://www.di.ens.fr/~pnguyen/pub_BoJoNg00.htm i dead, such a shame [00:41]
ben_vulpes no stack to manage in that case; i'd prefer it if there are no obvious reasons to not. [00:41]
asciilifeform Apocalyptic: down side of collecting links - they die. aha [00:42]
punkbot Confirmed bundle 196PrJjLTjXNNGLZsyT4YYdhA2b2EQjbZ3 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/196PrJjL [00:42]
assbot Bundle 196PrJjL | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [00:42]
* asciilifeform invited anyone who can turn up a live copy, to link [00:42]
jurov like, turdatron would reject the email "nope you're not on longest chain"? lmao [00:42]
mircea_popescu ^ [00:42]
mircea_popescu BLOCKCHAIN ALL THE [00:42]
mircea_popescu things [00:42]
asciilifeform 'those who will not xxx are doomed to reinvent xxxx...' [00:42]
ben_vulpes simple is beautiful [00:42]
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punkman also interesting is the address for 0x00, you can sent money to it but you can't spend it https://blockchain.info/address/1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh [00:42]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh [00:42]
mod6 this punkbot is neat [00:43]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ? << the idea is to stop these persnickety machienes from validating the blockchain at all. [00:45]
mircea_popescu just take some magic bytes on trust and call it good. [00:45]
asciilifeform anyway, as far as i understand, the whole point of having actual arses in the driver's chair (ben_vulpes? mod6?) here is to merge patches and maintain the 'True chain' [00:46]
ben_vulpes 32MB is not the steady-state line, it's just the largest sanctioned p2p msg [00:46]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. <<< yay wd. [00:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform something like that. [00:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: considering [blabla] you probably did not need to do the live-fire test. << stom motherfucking corrupting the youth! [00:47]
asciilifeform forkers - can build own turdatrons. [00:47]
mircea_popescu he did need to do the life-fire test. [00:47]
mircea_popescu twice., [00:47]
ben_vulpes hang on a sec here [00:47]
asciilifeform !s dijkstra [00:47]
assbot 14 results for 'dijkstra' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dijkstra [00:47]
mircea_popescu djenied. [00:47]
ben_vulpes lol no u [00:48]
mircea_popescu testing is the one thing bitcoin needs more of [00:48]
mircea_popescu hashing it has enough. [00:48]
ben_vulpes jurov's turdvendor's the canonical repository [00:48]
ben_vulpes there's known state a [00:48]
ben_vulpes and a record of patches signed by individuals [00:48]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu this is the thing you asked for in the first place: "sigs on lines" [00:48]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no. [00:49]
mircea_popescu the thing i asked for is to sign on READ lines. [00:49]
asciilifeform ^^^^^^ [00:49]
mircea_popescu X submitted this, Y merged it, K L M N K and Q read and approve. [00:49]
asciilifeform aha ^ [00:49]
mircea_popescu as opposed to the current X Y only so-called open source thing going on atm. [00:49]
* asciilifeform is happy that folks grasp exactly what he suggested on day1 [00:49]
mircea_popescu the difference is huge, because when a bug like the numerous bugs in openssl/bash/etc pops up in the open [00:49]
mircea_popescu you wish to see whom you're hanging and why. [00:49]
asciilifeform !s shitgnomes [00:50]
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mircea_popescu was it an honest mistake ? was it a nsa sponsored shitjob ? etc. [00:50]
kakobrekla which you cant really tell if it was a good jo [00:50]
kakobrekla b [00:50]
mircea_popescu in short : it makes the cost of nsa covert ops in foss go from O(log(t)) all the way up to P,N [00:50]
asciilifeform which you cant really tell if it was a good << hence the original discussion of why 'the sapper errs once' [00:50]
asciilifeform the enemy's entire modus operandi is to always have 'honest mistake' alibi [00:51]
mircea_popescu exactly. [00:51]
kakobrekla no point in establishing " was it an honest mistake" [00:51]
asciilifeform so we have serious business here, and all the belts and suspenders - actually matter. [00:51]
mircea_popescu that's pretty much the only thing. "we print money, and you can pretend you just fell on her while your pants were off" [00:51]
kakobrekla still not sure why anyone wants to sign anything heheh [00:52]
kakobrekla given the up and down side. [00:52]
asciilifeform (and, for the record, when i suggested to ben_vulpes that he did not need to live fire, it was because it was a removal of ifdefs that were switched off, which, if done correctly, would yield a bitwise-identical binary.) [00:52]
mircea_popescu i would like the difference between "dropped plate on my toe" and "fell on naked woman holding her heels while naked" to be obvious to the naked eye [00:52]
mircea_popescu and i want the record of accidental "dropped on my toe" events recorder permanently. [00:52]
ben_vulpes so merges should only happen when k l m n o have already signed patch [00:52]
asciilifeform ^^ [00:52]
mircea_popescu between these two, the budged for recruiting pencildicks goes from constant to hilbert's hotel. [00:52]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes merges can happen at any point. [00:52]
asciilifeform tharwego. [00:53]
asciilifeform cooking with gas! [00:53]
mircea_popescu what users use, is what users use. [00:53]
* asciilifeform has an inescapably 'rectothermal' image of 'pencildick' in his mind [00:54]
mircea_popescu the entire "foss is better because read by millions of eyes" fetish needs to be put to rest already. opportunity does not equal actualisation. [00:56]
mircea_popescu my model will allow a specific list to be created. this was read in fact by 5468 people. these ones : [00:56]
asciilifeform millions'o'flies. [00:56]
mircea_popescu moreover, by putting the sexy back into reading code, it actually directly addresses the problem. currently people only read shit AFTER a bug was found. [00:57]
asciilifeform >> codewot. [00:57]
* asciilifeform confesses that he very frequently reads, with evil eyes, things in which nothing has of yet been found. [00:57]
mircea_popescu if you could also sign on it, [00:57]
mircea_popescu your signature will become in itself valuable, [00:57]
mircea_popescu and the people trying to hire you to review their code would crowd the shit out of the only buyer currently, [00:58]
asciilifeform sign ought not to be binary, however. [00:58]
mircea_popescu which is the usg diddle-ops arm. [00:58]
asciilifeform my 'i will die by this' sig is reserved exclusively for what i personally crapped out and ruminated over. [00:58]
asciilifeform could meet exceptions, but not yet met. [00:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it IS a way out of gravity well. [00:59]
ben_vulpes so i begin to wonder if i'm at all a good person to handle merges, given my lack of experience with cpp [00:59]
* asciilifeform would volunteer to take the place of poor ben_vulpes but is rather busy [00:59]
ben_vulpes i've been staring at it and it's not unintelligble -- horrible, but not unintelligible -- but given things like obfuscated c competition i don't think i'm actually a good technical choice for the role [01:00]
asciilifeform anyway handling merges as such - the physicalities of it - is not hard. [01:00]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: who else is going to handle making sure turd consistency stays constant? [01:00]
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asciilifeform dusithavetobeme? [01:00]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: but how theoretically would i know what to merge? [01:00]
thestringpuller you are a masterful turd-smith [01:00]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes technical choice ? these are all political choices. [01:00]
ben_vulpes trust the l2? [01:00]
asciilifeform why not, say, mircea_popescu [01:00]
ben_vulpes choice for the technical role perhaps would be a better phrasing [01:00]
* asciilifeform would bite ze bullet & do it, for a small fee. [01:01]
ben_vulpes is the goal (eg political) to find some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk full audit of all things, stopping and frisking by every passing police officer? [01:01]
* asciilifeform has pet that needs some attention, will be back. [01:01]
mircea_popescu uh [01:02]
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ben_vulpes or political in the sense of 'forum' [01:02]
mircea_popescu no, the political goal is to allow people who are interested in doing things the right way at the levers where things are done the right way. [01:02]
mircea_popescu this may require particular grips, depending on how the lever happen to be constructed. the hands will adjust. [01:04]
thestringpuller it seems asciilifeform is the only one qualified to be a release manager [01:04]
thestringpuller unless there is a lever pulling training program [01:04]
mircea_popescu what is the internet, but a vast training program. [01:04]
mircea_popescu what, you though it's about the social media ? [01:04]
thestringpuller noise signal and all that garb [01:05]
ben_vulpes q: what is the output of a "merge" in this scenario? [01:06]
ben_vulpes new "commit" in public repo? [01:09]
ben_vulpes fresh set of signed blobs in *.org/releases? [01:09]
ben_vulpes these crickets suggest that the chairs must make this decision. [01:10]
* ben_vulpes mutters darkly [01:10]
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ben_vulpes aight well fiat corp requires oiling before shuddering into motion in the morn. i'll continue this with anyone interested at a later point. [01:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00075658 = 1.7401 BTC [-] [01:15]
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asciilifeform re: some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk... [01:45]
* asciilifeform is deep behind enemy lines... [01:45]
* asciilifeform sings 'С чего начинается Родина' dourly [01:45]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8X7kHfMf3Q << for english folks [01:45]
assbot Mark Bernes - What Is The Beginning Of Motherland | " " - YouTube [01:45]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VobIRxoulLg << performed by putin [01:47]
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assbot . " " - YouTube [01:47]
asciilifeform (originally sung by film hero, deep behind german lines) [01:52]
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TheNewDeal beautiful song ascii [02:01]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but given things like obfuscated c competition << you were probably thinking of the 'underhanded c' competition. [02:03]
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asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7dBsCnAHN0 << related [02:05]
assbot Mgnoveniya English Russian Lyrics Seventeen Moments of Spring - YouTube [02:05]
TheNewDeal what's the historical background on the first one? [02:09]
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asciilifeform TheNewDeal: historical fiction. the film 'shield and sword.' [02:10]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: http://movieworld.ws/the-shield-and-the-sword-shchit-i-mech-shhit-i-mech-1968-2-x-dvd9 [02:11]
assbot Download The Shield and the Sword / Shchit i mech / (1968) 2 x DVD9 | movie world [02:11]
asciilifeform (download links are fakes, afaik, linked for summary) [02:11]
asciilifeform there might actually be an english sub floating around [02:11]
TheNewDeal is it in russian? [02:11]
TheNewDeal ah [02:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: could've sworn BingoBoingo discussed this. << Not sure if I've discussed the shotglass as pieces variant in chan, but am familiar with it. [02:12]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the belt-fed mod? [02:13]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the shot chess. [02:13]
asciilifeform aha [02:13]
BingoBoingo Working through logs, but belt fed mod may have also been something I mentioned in the past. [02:14]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo will like this log [02:15]
asciilifeform some pretty heavy 'the sapper errs once' action. [02:15]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform mircea_popescu : you may enjoy this clippet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEcgkZVSwU4 [02:17]
cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/10/italian-municipal-councils-targetted-by-torrentlocker/ [02:17]
assbot Italian Municipal Councils Targetted By TorrentLocker | Qntra.net [02:17]
mircea_popescu lol [02:18]
mircea_popescu italians better start buying btc. [02:18]
undata "the ransomware operator provides customer service and assistance." << that's rich. [02:19]
asciilifeform run moar winblows. (tm) [02:19]
cazalla fixed typo before anyone mentions it [02:20]
* asciilifeform will laugh twice is this turns out to have been the tordiddler payload [02:20]
asciilifeform *if [02:20]
cazalla any issue with akismet? nike really want to advertise their jordans on qntra [02:21]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: terrible hackjob, loll [02:23]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: LOL. yes yes. voice acting subpar, but the last line in the clip is a communist patriot toasting: "To capitalism" [02:27]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: obligatory >> http://pbfcomics.com/209 [02:28]
assbot The Perry Bible Fellowship [02:28]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: >Increasingly scientists think there should be some regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish. <<< like you know, turn everything on its head, making current arrangements obsolete [02:29]
mircea_popescu wink wink nudge nudge. [02:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897070 [02:30]
assbot Logged on 26-10-2014 16:45:02; asciilifeform: musk, mr y, some nameless folks from usg, will get together very soon and - if you're known to own a sufficiently large cluster of whateverthefuck - you gotta register... [02:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, that's about three days before the random shootings of anyone known to be associated with usg start. [02:31]
asciilifeform the sad thing is, i'm still fairly certain that yudkowsky didn't want to be a stooge. [02:33]
asciilifeform he just wanted to sleep ad libitum, i suspect. [02:33]
mircea_popescu yeah, that now matters, because alternative universe. [02:33]
asciilifeform lol [02:33]
mircea_popescu anyway, you perhaps remember the history of how that plays out. after all, the tsar tried it. [02:33]
asciilifeform tried what in particular [02:34]
mircea_popescu " regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish" [02:34]
asciilifeform aha. [02:34]
mircea_popescu jurov: more like "inevitably idiotically yapping around" << myeah. [02:35]
mircea_popescu *: asciilifeform is not equipped with the evidence needed to agree (or not) with 'it's mostly ok' << the problem with the mostly ok thing is that intelligent people tend to build but loathe to maintain. [02:35]
mircea_popescu which is why they're so attracted to software (it never fails) [02:36]
mircea_popescu mining however is hardware. [02:36]
asciilifeform except when... [02:36]
asciilifeform !s satcoin [02:36]
assbot 11 results for 'satcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=satcoin [02:36]
asciilifeform meat on faraway asteroid waits for its fly. [02:37]
asciilifeform http://www.soufron.com/le-numerique-doit-il-etre-user-friendly-ou-recompenser-le-talent-et-lexperience << which one of you is responsible for this lul ? [02:39]
assbot Le numrique doit-il tre user-friendly ou rcompenser le talent et l’exprience ? | Bloc Note [02:39]
asciilifeform davout? [02:39]
mircea_popescu uh, why would it be someone ehere ? [02:39]
asciilifeform no idea [02:39]
* asciilifeform blows dust off mechanism to see if there are actually other people reading his site these days [02:40]
* asciilifeform discovers that there - apparently - are. and that he needs to feed its piggy even. [02:40]
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mircea_popescu Jean-Baptiste Soufron [02:41]
asciilifeform unrelated: [02:42]
asciilifeform http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2014/10/psa-dont-run-strings-on-untrusted-files.html [02:42]
assbot lcamtuf's blog: PSA: don't run 'strings' on untrusted files (CVE-2014-8485) [02:42]
asciilifeform ^ anal orifice in the humble 'strings' unix tool. [02:42]
mircea_popescu ouch [02:43]
mircea_popescu leverage huh. [02:43]
asciilifeform mandatory derpy headline [02:43]
mircea_popescu fucking leverage. [02:43]
* asciilifeform gloats, blames the mice [02:43]
asciilifeform incidentally, 'strings' is part of many automated malware analysis systems. [02:44]
asciilifeform including some that take public submissions. [02:44]
asciilifeform gentlemen, start yer engines! [02:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: i just love how the krugman shitgnomes prattle on about the need for physical 'use-value' in currencies and then go on to bid on apple-1 pcbs and jackson pollack paintings << they are stupid and how dare you demand they be consistent! [02:46]
mircea_popescu direct application of "i have tried and therefore nobody should criticize me" [02:46]
asciilifeform nah it's more a case of 'i'm a titled noble with certificate of anal virginity from the crown and nobody should criticize me' [02:47]
mircea_popescu undata: while we're raging: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-10-24/hillary-clinton-no-longer-believes-that-companies-create-jobs << jobs come from government doh. [02:47]
assbot Hillary Clinton No Longer Believes That Companies Create Jobs - Bloomberg Politics [02:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, that's exactly what it is. [02:47]
asciilifeform fucking --- string!! [02:49]
* asciilifeform blithers [02:49]
* asciilifeform without even being surprised [02:49]
mircea_popescu assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 06:13:12; mircea_popescu: money can be sustenance or control. << this has been meanwhile rewritten, http://trilema.com/2014/money-fucking-and-lying/ [02:50]
assbot Money, fucking and lying pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:50]
asciilifeform herr semmelweis says hello! [02:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps" [02:52]
asciilifeform lol! [02:53]
mircea_popescu undata: pretty ungrateful to call the guy retarded. << it's an act of love, you just don't know how the world works. [02:53]
undata mircea_popescu: I wish someone would dig her a hole so she could fill it back in again. [02:54]
undata as for the second, *shrug* [02:54]
mircea_popescu it's impractical for the aliens to keep coming to dig holes where to dispose of the us consumer garbage. [02:54]
mircea_popescu how about you know, stop making it. [02:54]
undata oh, no, the next generation of garbage is coming up [02:56]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: pool administrators determine block size, correct? << maximal. [02:57]
undata I watched a video earlier of one of the younger Bushes, who's now Texas Land Commissioner [02:57]
undata one of those posts they hand out to the kids to prep them for later [02:57]
mircea_popescu actually no, you're right, gotta follow their getworks [02:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps" << I imagine this scene happening with alf in a tent. No context is given for the tent until he gets up to take a shit and the view sees the tend is in an otherwise pedestrian living room and emblazoned with the messa [02:58]
BingoBoingo ge "FU TEMPEST!!!" [02:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: at some point, perhaps, a major mine operator will be pwned and his crown jewels throw to the mob. then we can study live code. << why would anyone do that ? it's difficult to trust the authenticity of a stolen thing, which is why theft is not an acceptable source of evidence in legal proceedings [02:58]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: so the pool operators really decide if the hard fork goes off, correct? [03:00]
mircea_popescu well, the death of the previous hard fork (the one gavin & hearn created) happened through the cooperation of the meanwhile defunct 50btc guild. [03:00]
mircea_popescu which, if you recall, was o noes, 50% at some point and lo and behold, not a year later it is nothing. [03:00]
mircea_popescu so... not as simple as that. [03:00]
ben_vulpes "death of the preivous hard fork" meaning the actions that brought everyone onto the same chain? [03:01]
mircea_popescu yeah. [03:01]
kakobrekla top 2 pool ops should be enough [03:02]
mircea_popescu the general idea is that nobody who gets involved into something like this in any capacity and on any side survives. period. [03:03]
mircea_popescu some spots require exceptional measures. [03:03]
ben_vulpes eligus is < 5% [03:03]
kakobrekla ghash/cex and discus fish or smth [03:04]
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kakobrekla lol: http://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/10/26/north-koreas-answer-ebola/ [03:09]
assbot North Koreas Answer To Ebola [03:09]
undata cenk uygur quoted as saying "durr hurr... republicans" [03:14]
undata guy's such a partisan hack [03:14]
cazalla ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency", andreas kick this shit off with "blockchain technology" and now everyone is repeating this shit [03:14]
undata cazalla: jpmcoin [03:15]
TheNewDeal deedbot? [03:15]
cazalla undata, seems that way, it comes across contrived [03:15]
undata cazalla: he's a shittier Bill Maher for the internet, without even the redeemer of being funny [03:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which is why theft is not an acceptable source of evidence << it won't be a legal, but a vivisectionary proceeding. like us loling at the snowden crap. [03:18]
thestringpuller undata: Bill Maher is kind of annoying at times. He's very preachy about socialist-like policies. [03:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: tent << obama has one! [03:20]
asciilifeform srsly [03:20]
undata https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06fCDiu9HiA [03:20]
assbot Bill Hicks - Politics In America - YouTube [03:20]
undata forgive the video [03:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/03/obama-communicates-from-hotel-inside-a-tent [03:20]
assbot Obama communicates from hotel inside a tent | MadMikesAmerica [03:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I know. I just imagine cinematic you has one as well. [03:20]
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BingoBoingo Sheltering in Place: The S.NSA Story [03:21]
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thestringpuller undata: if you like tool [03:22]
thestringpuller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ucvLbi7cI [03:22]
undata thestringpuller: I watched that one :) [03:23]
undata love the JRE [03:23]
asciilifeform and did you folks miss the potentially-exploitable crash of unix 'patch' i got the other day? [03:24]
asciilifeform all from a little bit of binary crapolade from removing png from turdball [03:24]
asciilifeform (see earlier thread) [03:24]
cazalla http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2014-10-27/fintech-news-2-oliver-bussman-ubs?ea9c8a2de0ee111045601ab04d673622 is a example of what i said earlier, this guy drops bitcoin all together and just calls it blockchain. "That’s quite a list. The trend he puts at the top of his list is blockchain, the underlying technology behind Bitcoin, which he says is the megatrend with the biggest potential to bring change to the financial services sector [03:24]
cazalla ." [03:24]
punkbot cazalla: Error: No closing quotation [03:24]
assbot Innovation spaces where Oliver Bussman lives the dream [03:24]
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cazalla an example, altogether, maybe i need some coffee [03:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: head is best tent. [03:27]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: At least head has protection in its "floor" unlike Obama tent [03:28]
mircea_popescu ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency" <<< yep. classic approach. "it's not the barrel that we're affraid of, it's the crazy shit stuck on all sides of rifle". [03:28]
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mircea_popescu gotta try something. [03:28]
asciilifeform potentially-exploitable crash of unix 'patch' << repeating this in order to remind the turdatron folks of the gravity of their situation. [03:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform didja patch patch ? [03:30]
asciilifeform nein [03:30]
asciilifeform still working to reproduce [03:30]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/c84cd8e033cffae31806f8ad76b92cef/tumblr_nczqdtps5Q1qzaw65o1_500.jpg [03:31]
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mthreat http://fortune.com/2014/10/24/bitcoin-fraud-scam/ [03:44]
assbot Bit Con? Veteran fraud expert sets his sights on bitcoin - Fortune [03:44]
undata mthreat: I just read that; what an asshat [03:45]
undata "is scam because isn't money" and "blockchain technology!" [03:45]
mthreat ripe for rebuttal [03:45]
asciilifeform reads as if generated by perl script. [03:46]
mircea_popescu ^ [03:46]
mircea_popescu maybe we should just publish a schematic, help these dumbasses self-rebutt [03:46]
mircea_popescu flowchart. [03:46]
asciilifeform like that spam template, yes. [03:46]
ben_vulpes markov chain [03:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, in this particular case the best rebuttal is letting the guy do whatever he does after "setting sights" [03:47]
mircea_popescu should be an amusing shootfootfest [03:47]
cazalla it's ofn, qntra covered it like 2 weeks ago [03:48]
cazalla actually a month ago http://qntra.net/2014/10/news-alert-old-man-doesnt-understand-bitcoin/ [03:48]
assbot News Alert – Old Man Doesn't Understand Bitcoin | Qntra.net [03:48]
asciilifeform https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt << inspiration [03:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10998 @ 0.00075679 = 8.3232 BTC [-] {2} [03:49]
ben_vulpes a doctorow link in -assets? [03:49]
asciilifeform ancient usenet turd [03:50]
asciilifeform i think just about everyone has a copy [03:50]
asciilifeform google - coughed up that one. [03:50]
undata that guy has the smirk of a kid who just pissed the pool on purpose [03:52]
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* mircea_popescu wonders how undata would know this [03:57]
undata vivid imagination [03:59]
TheNewDeal ^not fooling anyone [04:01]
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asciilifeform http://imgur.com/haLssJc [04:05]
assbot SCIF lulz - Imgur [04:05]
asciilifeform mega-lol [04:05]
mircea_popescu "medical devices" ? [04:06]
mircea_popescu o look, tin foil mitigaiton for ir. [04:07]
asciilifeform the hilarity of even presuming to distinguish the equivalence classes. [04:07]
asciilifeform this, incidentally, is the bush-era document specifying 'obama tent' but also all chambers in which mega-top-dildonic-pleasure-secret clearance work is permitted. [04:08]
mircea_popescu you mean where private first class amanda stole all the data ? [04:09]
asciilifeform nah [04:09]
asciilifeform that's 'secret' [04:10]
asciilifeform ;;google siprnet [04:10]
gribble SIPRNet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; SIPRNet - Popular Mechanics: ; Siprnet: where America stores its secret cables | US news | The ...: [04:10]
asciilifeform 'closeouts and de-accreditations shall comply with the following procedures... Reset safe combinations to 50-25-50 and lock the containers.' << ahaha, default pw. [04:14]
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ben_vulpes so i've got a jenkins building this crazy stripped down build [04:47]
ben_vulpes truly a hanky story, but it's a step towards integration tests and what has one [04:51]
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BingoBoingo Oh, a way to keep people from sending you Bitcoin http://zerocharactersleft.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/zero-confirmation-bitcoin-transactions.html [05:04]
assbot Zero Characters Left: Zero-confirmation bitcoin transactions [05:04]
BingoBoingo K [05:04]
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TheNewDeal isn't getting info by txid a nono? [05:06]
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BingoBoingo Yeah, for serious applications. [05:09]
mircea_popescu "We also need to find the sender's address, so we know where to send the money. This is done by looking at the inputs of the original transaction. The transaction can have multiple inputs that are all under the control of the sending party. We just send everything back to one of the input addresses at random." [05:10]
mircea_popescu herp. [05:10]
TheNewDeal most useful bitcoin application of 2014... [05:15]
asciilifeform laugh, but that thing is almost literally - my 'blockchain telegraph.' [05:16]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 << that one. [05:17]
assbot Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. [05:17]
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TheNewDeal so you're proposing an extremely expensive twitter that would spit out a bunch of transactions on the blockchain? [05:35]
TheNewDeal why wouldn't you just send this over to the testnet? [05:35]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal he's being difficult. [05:41]
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TheNewDeal So I'm reading this link that someone posted on that loper article on telegraphy. http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html [05:46]
assbot Ken Shirriff's blog: Hidden surprises in the Bitcoin blockchain and how they are stored: Nelson Mandela, Wikileaks, photos, and Python software [05:46]
TheNewDeal They say that burning bitcoin, or sending it to a bitcoin blackhole, is a great way to fund an altcoin [05:47]
TheNewDeal do you think that's true? [05:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00075925 = 13.8943 BTC [+] [05:48]
undata why would that be a good idea? [05:50]
undata or burning coin at all [05:50]
TheNewDeal Welll [05:50]
undata ...shows your dedication? [05:51]
TheNewDeal it increases the worth of the other coins, doesnt it? [05:51]
undata in the same way that me jumping jiggles the moon [05:51]
TheNewDeal anyways [05:51]
TheNewDeal lets say someone actually comes up with a new alternative to bitcoin that actually makes some sort of improvement [05:52]
undata here's one thing I've considered spending into the blockchain [05:52]
undata WoT ratings [05:52]
decimation asciilifeform: you too could buy something like obama's tent, for one golden toilet: http://www.drash.com/Products/Shelters/SpecialtyShelters/emishelter.aspx [05:52]
assbot EMI Shelters [05:52]
undata I'd actually like some feedback on the WoT in blockchain idea [05:53]
TheNewDeal I think it's somewhat novel, but I'm not quite the resident expert [05:54]
undata nor am I clear on what the best method of encoding the data would be [05:54]
undata if it were addresses, goodbye coin [05:54]
undata but a small amount wouldn't hurt that bad [05:55]
undata latest rating by timestamp wins [05:55]
decimation undata: signing stuff in the blockchain was discussed a few weeks ago [05:56]
decimation I think the conclusion was that you would make a blob and then put the hash in the blockchain somehow [05:56]
undata then distribute the blob? [05:56]
undata there's some synthesis of these ideas that works [05:57]
undata I've thought a lot about spending magnet links into the blockchain too [05:57]
undata potential mechanism for doing storage for anything that's hard to cram into transactions [05:57]
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decimation Yeah you would have to have some method of referencing the blob [05:58]
PeterL are you familiar with the deedbot? [05:58]
decimation yeah doesn't deedbot write to the blockchain? [05:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73649 @ 0.0007572 = 55.767 BTC [-] {3} [05:59]
PeterL yes, that is the point of it [05:59]
undata I'm thinking you could implement something like a database index which is the distributed content of a given magnet link [06:00]
undata which could reference other transactions which are other magnet links [06:00]
undata turn the thing into a hash db with references [06:01]
undata the original pondering was "how to turn the blockchain into a giant torrent site" [06:03]
decimation http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ [06:03]
assbot #bitcoin-assets deed registry [06:03]
undata decimation: that's what bugs me about a lot of these services [06:04]
undata they require some website [06:04]
decimation eh? [06:04]
decimation it's in the blockchain [06:04]
decimation the website is just a pointer [06:04]
undata the whole b64 at the bottom is? [06:05]
TheNewDeal it's basically a blockchain parser that just filters for deeds, no? [06:05]
decimation well, no the blob isn't [06:05]
undata ^ [06:05]
decimation but obviously that's an expensive proposition [06:05]
undata hence magnet links... [06:06]
decimation magnet links would solve the distribution problem but not the attribution problem [06:07]
decimation you still gotta sign something [06:07]
decimation so either: mirror deedbot or embed your magnet links to deedbot's signed blob [06:07]
undata decimation: you'd need something that indicates "this is a deed" and also has a magnet link for the whole signed message [06:09]
undata what's missing? [06:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8851 @ 0.00075627 = 6.6937 BTC [-] [06:13]
decimation I'm not sure. It would be useful if punkman released some docs on exactly how deedbot works [06:14]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897286 [06:14]
assbot Logged on 26-10-2014 20:32:15; punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key [06:14]
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decimation so if I'm reading that correctly, the list of sha256 hashes of all the deeds would allow one to 'detect deeds' [06:17]
undata then you have a private key [06:18]
undata what's done with that [06:18]
TheNewDeal I think he also is going to add all the commands here later http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots [06:20]
assbot irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki] [06:20]
decimation well, the public key (address) can be derived from the private key [06:20]
decimation so in your blob you put the chronological list of hashes for all deeds - user will be able to confirm that this blob was indeed put into the blockchain by deedbot [06:22]
decimation or rather, the hash thereof [06:22]
decimation at least, that's my understanding, would like to know if it's incorrect. [06:23]
undata right, what's spent to that address [06:30]
undata the payment for the asset in the deed? [06:30]
BingoBoingo dissapoint https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bOiERzVZo0c/VD4UJtxpL-I/AAAAAAAAJZ8/v5SMhuE2O_s/s1600/99e6153305d2c9cf86ae64668587362378ffa71bf9c33ead58577beda9184a52_1.gif [06:36]
undata haa [06:36]
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mthreat sweet, deeds! [06:42]
BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/ebola-czar/ [06:43]
assbot Newly Appointed "Ebola Czar" Quarantines Entire Navy After Learning Ebola Can be Transmitted by Semen - GomerBlog [06:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00075915 = 16.1699 BTC [+] {3} [06:44]
cazalla https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000001139b5d2073c74267dc905feeac7a23cf537d25e66961182 is that largest block size ever? [06:49]
assbot Bitcoin Block #327145 [06:49]
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cazalla 976.552734375 KB [06:49]
mircea_popescu do you think that's true? << no, it's stupid. [06:50]
mircea_popescu cazalla been a few close to 1mb this year. [06:50]
mircea_popescu but possibly. [06:50]
TheNewDeal can you expand on that? [06:55]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal well, would you say that the best way to help your poor neighbour is to burn some soup ? [07:00]
TheNewDeal at least then the assholes wouldnt be able to use the bitcoins that funded ether [07:01]
mircea_popescu well sure, this is true. [07:01]
mircea_popescu but you gotta decide which line you're going. inasmuch as it keeps the asshole from getting resources, yes it's better than giving him bitcoin. [07:01]
mircea_popescu but if you're trying to prevent the asshole from getting resources, why even consider the matter, just ignore it. [07:02]
TheNewDeal well it's like this, you know at least some finite amount of worth was destroyed to generate new pile of shitcoin [07:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00076496 = 9.7915 BTC [+] [07:02]
mircea_popescu are you familiar with the deedbot? << exactly. [07:03]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal so ? [07:03]
mircea_popescu at least, that's my understanding, would like to know if it's incorrect. << there's other ways to verify too, but this one definitely works. [07:04]
BingoBoingo well it's like this, you know at least some finite amount of worth was destroyed to generate new pile of shitcoin << Spz Dr. Evil burned all of the coins on Bitstamp to "fund" an altchain. What would that do? [07:05]
undata uh, create two worthless things... [07:06]
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BingoBoingo ;;google bitcoin prices bitcoin inflexibility [07:10]
gribble Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Can We Stabilize the Price of Cryptocurrency? - Connection Science ...: ; Is Bitcoin a viable currency? - MIT Sloan School of Management: [07:10]
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TheNewDeal BingoBoingo suppose dr. evil created something he called Bitcoin 2.0 [07:12]
TheNewDeal the only way to fund it was to destroy bitcoin in the process [07:12]
TheNewDeal suddently, 20% of bitcoin disappears overnight to said address [07:12]
TheNewDeal It would mean that there were at least some people who decided it was worth getting rid of their bitcoin to check out bitcoin 2.0 [07:13]
BingoBoingo Well, the remaining Bitcoins on version 1.0 increase in value and people wonder when Dr. Evil is going to dump those BTC he raised under the influence of ether [07:13]
TheNewDeal If it were 99% of the original bitcoin, what would it say about the remaining 1%? [07:15]
BingoBoingo Million dollar Bitcoin. [07:16]
BingoBoingo Also why were people keeping those wallets on Windows 98? [07:16]
TheNewDeal perhaps, or it's not worth anything to anyone any more [07:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00079243 = 12.3619 BTC [+] [07:17]
undata TheNewDeal: for some reason that reminded me of cash for clunkers [07:17]
undata where the US govt subsidized people buying new cars, as long as they gave their old cars in to be destroyed [07:18]
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TheNewDeal gots to get some sleep [07:19]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/blakkheim/status/522162864409546753/photo/1 << LibreSSL's warrant canary [08:13]
assbot and the libressl warrant canary is... you guessed it, comic sans. https://t.co/bx6nNNg6Tn http://t.co/uWLw8ao6nf [08:13]
mircea_popescu uh wut [08:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15764 @ 0.00077107 = 12.1551 BTC [-] [08:19]
mircea_popescu perhaps, or it's not worth anything to anyone any more << that's pure nonsense. [08:19]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The header text on the libressl.org page is part of the jpg with the pufferfish. If the warrant canary triggers the header text becomes comic sans is my reading of it. [08:19]
mircea_popescu magic numbers are all equal. if 99.999999% of bitcoin were destroyed as you describe, the remainder coupla hundred btc will play the role of twenty million [08:20]
mircea_popescu all payments move to smaller units and the story ends [08:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i fail to get how this is supposed to be a canary. [08:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I would figure that to keep the server from displaying the comic sans image someone has to keep hitting the "We haven't been served yet" button. [08:21]
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mircea_popescu but they'd be legally forbidden from stopping hitting that button. [08:21]
BingoBoingo Why, because they aren't Apple who has the press gloss over "The canary died because it became unecessary, not because a warrant came to kill it" [08:23]
BingoBoingo And all of that retardation. [08:24]
BingoBoingo The canary isn't a guarantee they haven't been approached, but it's being triggered should seem to be a guarentee they have. [08:25]
mircea_popescu for something to be a canary it has to be a passive, unavoidable mechanism. [08:26]
mircea_popescu this comic font business is neither passive nor unavoidable [08:26]
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mircea_popescu !up Newar [08:28]
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BingoBoingo It's definitely far from a robust system, especially considering a MITM could force delivery of the pre-canary image [08:28]
BingoBoingo A better system would simply involve passing a BTC balance between two addresses under one's control at set intervals [08:30]
mircea_popescu how'd that be better ? [08:33]
mircea_popescu no, the way these things work is the company has a firm negative statement published. "we have not been approached to so and so". [08:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.0007715 = 22.0263 BTC [+] {2} [08:34]
mircea_popescu the law can not compel one to lie, and so as long as that statement appears, it's not happened [08:34]
BingoBoingo Sign a message asserting that passing the balance between the two addresses fuctions as your warrant canary and GPG crypt the message to a few trusted parties that can release the signed doc if the behavior consituting the canary ceases [08:34]
mircea_popescu once it disappears, irrespective of what the usg propaganda machine claims, it's happened. [08:34]
mircea_popescu short and sweet [08:34]
mircea_popescu you're using a meta concept as if it were a thing. [08:34]
BingoBoingo I guess. I'm just trying to think of a verifiable deed sort of version that could be concealed from the warrant industry until triggered [08:36]
mircea_popescu so the person in question can be charged with conspiracy "? [08:42]
BingoBoingo I suppose that is also a concern. Maybe the current practice for the warrant canary lacks room for improvement. [08:47]
BingoBoingo At least until the datacenters running bitcoin nodes become nuclear powers. [08:50]
BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/moniteau-county-prosecutor-faces-charges-after-truck-crashes-into-columbia/article_febc9957-785f-571e-9f6c-2f4e7f066af7.html [08:52]
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BingoBoingo http://www.alternet.org/department-homeland-security-executes-panty-raid-kansas-city [09:11]
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mircea_popescu finally made knickers illegal ? [09:11]
BingoBoingo Copyrastas, the panties broke trademark law or were counterfeit or something [09:12]
BingoBoingo But maybe someday. [09:13]
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mircea_popescu hopefully they now make homeland security panties [09:13]
mircea_popescu preferably with the logo where the butt kisses it. [09:13]
BingoBoingo I was actually wondering what the market would be for silk thongs with the butt thread made of authentic Obama tis [09:15]
undata http://www.cafepress.com/+dhs_seal_classic_thong,1143693906 [09:15]
BingoBoingo *ties [09:15]
undata close enough? [09:15]
mircea_popescu prolly [09:17]
BingoBoingo Just needs to be worn backwards in torture device configuration [09:17]
undata wtf is DHS doing enforcing copyright [09:19]
undata they're going to find out later that the US had a lead pipes situation [09:19]
undata the country's going crazy [09:19]
undata http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-shows-70-percent-of-americans-take-prescription-drugs/ [09:22]
undata for starters, we're all high as shit. [09:22]
mircea_popescu undata obama finished the reorganisation of everthing law enforcement as a homeland security sub. [09:24]
undata I notice "raids" are now a primary way of doing things [09:30]
mircea_popescu well, like sex is no longer fashionable so the girl will claim she was "raped", just so the visit by two state employees to confiscate some contraband is called a "raid" [09:31]
mircea_popescu gotta make it news, right ? [09:31]
undata everything is entertainment [09:31]
undata or rather, for show [09:31]
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undata I can't see the next 20 years going well for most people here. [09:36]
undata if I were conspiracy minded, I'd say they're preparing for that now with the militarization of police, etc [09:36]
undata but I don't think that [09:36]
undata our system just bloats like that, needs to create new bureaus and buy them fancy tanks and drones [09:37]
BingoBoingo Eh, sometimes they are out to get you. [09:39]
undata but to what end, then? [09:39]
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undata it's the pointlessness of america, not the brutality, that gets me [09:41]
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undata s/pointlessness/incoherence/ [09:43]
undata it must just be what things look like when they're unraveling. [09:43]
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mircea_popescu but to what end, then? << you seen miller's crossing ? [10:10]
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dignork TomServo: it should be easier with HackRF, the guy even made some decent training videos: https://greatscottgadgets.com/sdr/ [17:37]
dignork And apparently it should work out of the box with pentoo [17:38]
TomServo dignork: Just saw those, cool stuff. Might have to get one so I can resist the urge stepping up to one of these USRP beasts. [17:44]
jurov it can be detected by fact that the payment did not go from deedbot's address but i still dislike this [17:48]
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mircea_popescu jurov but listen, the someone should be in l2 right ? [17:48]
mircea_popescu they risk their ass doing asinine shit like that. [17:48]
jurov you yourself gave some "just a voice" rating [17:49]
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jurov and it can be easily solved by terminating the list of deed hashes prior to final hashing [17:50]
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mircea_popescu jurov yes, but i myself can also take it away, and have, and will, if the person's obnoxious. [17:51]
PeterL jurov so what if they add another deed, what would be the problem? [17:51]
mircea_popescu that said, termination may also be an idea [17:51]
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jurov no real problem likely, just the obnoxiousness [17:52]
PeterL the timestamp is based on the blockchain transaction, if they put another deed transaction on the blockchain it does not hurt the first one? [17:52]
jurov it does not [17:53]
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jurov just makes it easier to fool someone as what was actually included [17:53]
mircea_popescu that someone'd have to be kind-of foolish [17:53]
mircea_popescu or maybe i don't actually understand this attack [17:53]
jurov everyone has their moments [17:53]
mircea_popescu lol [17:54]
jurov cue my donation to b-a [17:54]
PeterL I don't see any benefit the attacker would have over just submitting a deed to deedbot? [17:55]
jurov only benefit is possiblity to (pruportedly) multiple versions of one bundle with perviously unknowns deeds to appear [17:56]
punkman jurov, what's this "secretly extend bundle" attack [17:57]
jurov nothing more and it can be resolved by checking of whether the tx originated from deedbot's piggy [17:57]
punkman as in, take bundle, add another deed and make new bundle? [17:57]
jurov yes [17:57]
jurov and fool someone with it [17:58]
jurov or try to [17:58]
punkman yeah you gotta check it came from bot's address, verifier will do this [17:58]
punkman .balance [17:58]
punkbot punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01614 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 146 more bundles. [17:58]
mike_c seems simple solution to put a terminator on bundle. [17:58]
punkman I've also thought of signing the "lite" bundles [17:58]
punkman mike_c: terminator? [17:59]
mike_c yeah, a terminating sequence of bytes. then it can't be validly extended. [18:00]
jurov like hash1+','+hash2+...+hashN+'/n' [18:00]
punkman why can't it be extended? [18:00]
mike_c because there would be a terminator in the middle. [18:01]
mike_c and hence invalid. [18:01]
punkman why, I can't put my deedN+1 before terminator? [18:01]
mike_c no, hash attack is only adding a suffix [18:01]
punkman what hash attack [18:02]
punkman sha256 collisions? [18:02]
jurov the fake bundle would be lent credibility by existing deed [18:02]
jurov and you can't make it by adding new deed in the middle even now [18:02]
jurov only to the end [18:02]
jurov oh in fact it can be done [18:04]
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mike_c *.b-a is down atm, is that where the bot description is hosted? [18:04]
punkman http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ is up [18:04]
jurov no there are only deeds [18:04]
mike_c punkman, did you write up a doc on the bot or release some code? could be useful to get eyes on it. [18:05]
punkman mike_c, will release code soon [18:05]
mike_c k [18:05]
jurov nothing stops anyone from creating their own bundles completely, to prevent it would need deedbot to have own key [18:05]
jurov so my point rests. everyone gotta check it on blockchain [18:06]
mircea_popescu !s removed satoshi [18:08]
assbot 1 results for 'removed satoshi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=removed+satoshi [18:08]
mircea_popescu mike_c log1. works [18:08]
mircea_popescu lol look at that, reddit asks for bitcoin foundation to remove satoshi from its rolls, the fucktards react by removing satoshi from the bitcoin code they're raping. [18:09]
mircea_popescu logic, usgavin style. [18:09]
jurov The Bitcoin Foundation is an ineffectual consortium of self-interest, operating under the guise of benevolent advocacy. They need an enema. [18:10]
jurov hahaha [18:10]
jurov ben_vulpes: what about bitcoin-enema.org ? [18:11]
asciilifeform removed satoshi <<< lol!! [18:11]
asciilifeform can we remove them ? [18:11]
PeterL when the bitcoin foundation was announced I figured I would just ignore it, I have not found a reason to change yet [18:11]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/#comment-109294 << lulz. [18:17]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, we can't. to remove them they'd have to at first somehow been included. [18:21]
asciilifeform meant, from the code. [18:21]
mircea_popescu yeah, take out the dumb shit. [18:21]
* asciilifeform was always puzzled at how precisely an anonymus could hold copyright. picture 'Robin Hood (C) 1377.' [18:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually, satoshi was smart here. an anon holding copyright means that nobody else can claim it, and it can never be enforced. [18:23]
mircea_popescu of course, us shitshow would reject this, but it's a perfectly valid approach. [18:23]
asciilifeform could end up public domain ? [18:23]
asciilifeform ianal. [18:24]
mircea_popescu well, the difference is subtle. [18:24]
mircea_popescu mentally compare the difference between an estate owned by nobody and commons [18:24]
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mircea_popescu (ie, an estate not owned by anybody) [18:24]
asciilifeform there's a third setting on the dial - kolkhoz [18:25]
mircea_popescu no, kolkhoz is exactly the british commons. [18:25]
mircea_popescu just, a medieval institution, arguably inadequate for modern times. [18:25]
asciilifeform but - plus a demented king running the show [18:25]
mike_c dumbfruit's argument hurts my brain. he is saying that transactions are too cheap and therefore the block size limit should be removed? [18:25]
mircea_popescu the brits had that. [18:25]
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mircea_popescu mike_c he is one of the word processors. [18:26]
mircea_popescu he heard words and therefore words because words. [18:26]
mike_c the new tragedy of the commons is that the commons have a voice. [18:27]
mircea_popescu well, to be generous, it's not the voice that's the problem. it's the god awful pretense that one can understand things by guessing what words might mean "in context" [18:27]
mircea_popescu the result is a very cruel mistreatment of human soft tissue. [18:27]
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asciilifeform http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/2kazw2/dont_run_strings_on_untrusted_files [18:31]
asciilifeform ^ last night's anal orifice. someone posted. [18:32]
asciilifeform (thx to diametric for the reddit find) [18:34]
mircea_popescu I've also thought of signing the "lite" bundles << seems redundant. sign once, which you do, with the tx. [18:35]
mircea_popescu signing multiple times is inviting trouble. [18:35]
asciilifeform possible explanation of anonymous copyrights in usa: USC § 302 (c) 'anonymous works' - http://copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html [18:37]
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asciilifeform (spoiler: in usa, anonymous is permitted to hold copyright, and can reveal himself and operate like ordinary copyright if he can prove authorship in some officially-recognized way) [18:39]
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mircea_popescu punkman: derp << that shit was so stupid... [18:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anon is permitted to hold copyright by bern convention, actually. [18:39]
* asciilifeform wonders how the proof of authorship worked sans pgp [18:40]
asciilifeform probably same as proof of inventor priority [18:40]
asciilifeform that is, by public wankfest (opponents optional. no one contests - win) [18:40]
mircea_popescu actually you'll hear hell from people trying to pretend that this is the right way, and pgp is XYZ FUDstuffs even today. [18:41]
asciilifeform some 'people' value the 'freedom' to lie about everything and misrepresent anything. [18:42]
mircea_popescu wait mikayla believes mila jovovich is NOT a carbon copy and unique ?! [18:42]
mircea_popescu holy shit batman. [18:42]
mircea_popescu chicks the fucking definition of "here, i found this model passed out in the bathroom" [18:43]
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mircea_popescu Naphex: a enterprise node, hook into trusted bitcoin core nodes over P2p protocol. Index and cache the data << this is not a bad idea. [18:46]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: I wonder if this huge push on sidechains is because the power rangers realize the blocksize ain't increasing anytime soon... << http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ [18:48]
mircea_popescu Yet another one of them is that consumers revolt, entrepreneurs intervene, before the end of 2015 there’s about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average. The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the “ordinary person” [18:48]
mircea_popescu two years ago yo. [18:48]
mircea_popescu "On the balance of probabilities this would seem the most likely outcome, strictly because history unerringly flows in that direction which most cruely rapes the “average person”." [18:49]
mircea_popescu fuck me i'm good. [18:49]
Adlai it'll be funny to see markets between the same "bitcoin" asset on different blockchains... reminds me a bit of goxBTC [18:49]
Naphex mircea_popescu: aye and much needed, with all those people wanting to implement all kinds of solutions based on blockchain data [18:50]
mircea_popescu jurov: prolly i can be never classified to work with usg sekrets <<< you saw i lolled at the "medical devices" part yes ? :D [18:50]
jurov yes [18:50]
mircea_popescu Naphex problem being they also want to do it for free, but mayhap there's a solution for that. [18:50]
mircea_popescu jurov anyway, you should prolly apply, then you can sue for unfair treatment [18:51]
mircea_popescu keep them busy for 20 years. [18:51]
asciilifeform this is where 'we only hire aryans but won't say so' comes in very handy. [18:51]
jurov or they put mandatory crypto for medical devices into law [18:51]
jurov long overdue [18:51]
mircea_popescu ha [18:52]
mircea_popescu hahhahahahaha [18:52]
asciilifeform see also d. cheney's pacemaker [18:52]
mircea_popescu funny man [18:52]
asciilifeform (rumour was, famously, that he commissioned a custom one) [18:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform custom pacemakers have been the norm for not-poor people for what, 20 years ? [18:52]
asciilifeform custom in the sense of signed firmware loader [18:53]
mircea_popescu ah [18:53]
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asciilifeform so, to continue last night's thread - am i stuck merging turdatron patches? or is one of you folks willing to be the sapper. [18:55]
mircea_popescu you familiar with that ancient game of cuckoo ? [18:55]
mircea_popescu he who speaks gets it. [18:55]
asciilifeform !s cuckoo nagant [18:56]
assbot 1 results for 'cuckoo nagant' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cuckoo+nagant [18:56]
asciilifeform that one? [18:56]
mircea_popescu for instance. [18:57]
asciilifeform lol [18:57]
mircea_popescu good games are always abstraction of real life mechanisms. [18:57]
* asciilifeform gulps [18:59]
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kakobrekla game of cuckoo < i once sent a guy to hospital cause of that game : [18:59]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: what about bitcoin-enema.org ? f9beb4d9.org [19:00]
asciilifeform kakobrekla is good shot! [19:00]
kakobrekla no guns involved [19:00]
kakobrekla its a long story, we were kids, i got carried away, is all. [19:00]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: is the mailing list up? [19:01]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it's jurov's [19:01]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i assume he'll wake us up when it's time [19:02]
ben_vulpes and i didn't see any good suggestions re "what is the output of a 'merge'?" [19:02]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes either you or mod6 gotta start managing people! [19:02]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: output of a merge is a buildable tree. [19:02]
asciilifeform (or garbage, depending on the merge!) [19:02]
asciilifeform this is very basic stuff [19:02]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i have one of those on me local machine [19:03]
asciilifeform traditionally, it is not unreasonable to demand that a patch not annihilate the buildability of the overall turd. [19:03]
ben_vulpes now im mulling what to publish [19:04]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: original suggestion was a 'linus-style' scheme where we all sign & mail in patches, and one of us plays the part of 'Linus' and merges, signing the resulting trees [19:05]
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asciilifeform the latter also has the duty of being 'sapper' and trying very much not to err. [19:06]
asciilifeform that is, to judge patches, play devil's advocate, test resulting builds. [19:06]
ben_vulpes that latter's a tough one. [19:07]
ben_vulpes testing bitcoin builds. [19:07]
asciilifeform live-fire test of -everything- is non-trivial, yes. [19:07]
asciilifeform and, inescapably - slow. [19:07]
asciilifeform in fact, good portions of the original have never been 'live-fire' tested, afaik [19:08]
asciilifeform (the 'ddos mitigation' stuff, for example) [19:08]
mircea_popescu actually, bluematt did maybe 2/3 of bitcoin testing to date. [19:08]
asciilifeform !s bluematt [19:08]
assbot 26 results for 'bluematt' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bluematt [19:08]
mircea_popescu the guy that made the recent tx relay streamline thing [19:09]
asciilifeform is he alive? where does he stand? [19:09]
mircea_popescu alive, yes. standing... hard to say. shy of politics ? [19:10]
ben_vulpes so i've cobbled together a testing stack that builds and boots this build as I mentioned last night. next things that i'd like to do with it is attach it to testnet; and stand up a server non-locally to run these builds. [19:10]
ben_vulpes but fiatcorp calls at precisely this moment, and i must leave ye all for the meantime. [19:10]
mircea_popescu however, he doesn't hold a large balance, maybe that's the first thing bitcoin foundation can spend on [19:10]
mircea_popescu pay for testing [19:10]
ben_vulpes not a bad notion at all [19:10]
* asciilifeform willing to test for fee, but will not try to fight for contract against well-known aficionados [19:11]
mircea_popescu we see how this works out. [19:12]
punkman ;;isup bitbet.us [19:14]
gribble bitbet.us is down [19:14]
* asciilifeform will not be able to resist the temptation to build and test for free, but cannot promise to do this on a usably-frequent basis without compensation. is already doing rather many time-consuming things, not all of which bring in food. [19:15]
asciilifeform let the real heros stand up. [19:16]
asciilifeform http://xkcd.com/1439 << where did that beekeeping person go? [19:19]
kakobrekla imma guess he is at hetzner atm. [19:21]
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asciilifeform mats_cd03: what antenna do you use with your sdr ? [19:29]
TomServo asciilifeform: Is there an SDR you'd recommend? [19:31]
mats_cd03 asciilifeform: i use the ANT500 mossmann sells with the hackrf [19:32]
asciilifeform TomServo: i have only the cheapest. the famous rtl dongle, and an ancient rs232-controlled 'icom' box. [19:32]
asciilifeform rx only. [19:33]
asciilifeform hackrf << appears to be sold out everywhere? [19:34]
* asciilifeform imagines gigantic crate in crematorium at fort meade [19:35]
TomServo sold out everywhere? < Was my impression also. Though some sites say they'll be restocked early 2015 [19:35]
asciilifeform restocked << what, another 100 units? [19:36]
asciilifeform wonder if they're hand-made. [19:36]
* asciilifeform wonders whether vendor is 'having problems' - considering that sdr is technically banned in usa [19:37]
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TomServo 2014-09-09 Note: We have sold out and are waiting on the next production run batch which will be delivered in a few months. We are sorry for the wait, but if you pre-order now we will send you a $20 gift certificate. [19:41]
TomServo From Hackerwarehouse.com [19:41]
TomServo asciilifeform: Didja check out the (pricier) options from ettus.com also? [19:43]
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asciilifeform TomServo: $5k - might as well be $5mil [19:45]
mats_cd03 13:34:45 — +asciilifeform wonders whether vendor is 'having problems' - considering that sdr is technically banned in usa << hows that? ham operators have had SDR for at least a decade, no mutterings as to illegality afaik [19:46]
* asciilifeform ragged dervish [19:46]
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asciilifeform mats_cd03: same ancient law that technically bans open-source 802.11 baseband fw [19:46]
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* asciilifeform astonished to find that 'hackrf' is built in 'kicad.' this must mean that someone, somewhere, got it usefully running. [19:49]
asciilifeform almost certainly under winblows. [19:49]
diametric asciilifeform: i know a guy that uses kicad religiously [19:52]
diametric under linux too. [19:52]
diametric he makes laser controller boards with it. [19:52]
diametric http://www.macpod.net/electronics/lasershark/lasershark.php this guy to be specific. [19:52]
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TomServo asciilifeform: $5k - might as well be $5mil << For a toy, I agree...though they have some 'board only' options that come in the 675-1100 range. [19:58]
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nubbins` hi [20:12]
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TomServo Ahoy nubbins` [20:13]
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nubbins` anyone got logs for past couple days [20:15]
nubbins` this continued ddosing sure is making it ever-so-slightly-more-difficult to catch up on happenings [20:15]
kakobrekla use log1 [20:16]
nubbins` tyvm [20:16]
jurov $proxues [20:16]
jurov $proxies [20:16]
empyex jurov: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [20:16]
empyex jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.co (102 milliseconds), mpex.biz (103 milliseconds), mpex.bz (114 milliseconds), mpex.ws (277 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (719 milliseconds) [20:16]
empyex jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [20:16]
* kakobrekla would suggest abbreviating 'milliseconds' [20:20]
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jurov FabianB_: ^ [20:29]
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BingoBoingo Ebola general http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/army-quarantines-ebola-fighting-general-1651311789/+laceydonohue [21:04]
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kakobrekla lolk: http://shrani.si/f/Z/LM/2CeZjpsM/no-irc.png [21:10]
artifexd kakobrekla: Where is that from? [21:13]
kakobrekla some derp host obv [21:14]
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cazalla punkman: I read "coinscrum" as "coinscrotum" for a second there <<< you're not the only one [21:34]
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BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/10/dailydot-what-happened-to-the-ulbricht-murder-charges/ [21:42]
TomServo BingoBoingo: Nice work, was hoping you guys would cover that. [21:43]
BingoBoingo TomServo: Yeah I was away from the desk this weekend, and it took a bit to dig the relevant parts and boil them to qntra style. [21:44]
mircea_popescu 2014-09-09 Note: We have sold out and are waiting on the next production run batch which will be delivered in a few months. We are sorry for the wait, but if you pre-order now we will send you a $20 gift certificate. <<< this is so braindamaged. [21:46]
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mircea_popescu what happened to "we are sold out. if you want to preorder it's going to be $100 extra. if you do not want to preorder, you can have it when we get it, at a $250 surcharge" [21:46]
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cazalla that torrentlocker italian malware i posted about yesterday seems to be hitting some local australian council now heh, i won't write this up as same story diff location but if anyone was interested http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/2654270/cyber-attack-mildura-businesses-held-to-ransom-by-computer-malware-hackers/ [21:47]
mircea_popescu maybe make one of those updates "this just in" [21:47]
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mircea_popescu !up bitspill_ [21:48]
-assbot- You voiced bitspill_ for 30 minutes. [21:48]
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cazalla actually, might do that [21:48]
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mircea_popescu !up pleego [21:49]
-assbot- You voiced pleego for 30 minutes. [21:49]
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mircea_popescu !up mariorz [21:49]
-assbot- You voiced mariorz for 30 minutes. [21:50]
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TomServo mircea_popescu: I suppose that would work if there weren't a handful of other sites "selling" it also. [21:50]
mircea_popescu well, it would work in the following way : those other sites get sold out, you still have a stock. [21:50]
TomServo Never did see one in stock though. [21:50]
mircea_popescu then you use the extra to make an exclusive deal with the supplier and that's that. [21:51]
mircea_popescu usians are practically anticapitalist by now. [21:51]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: some derp host obv << "banned software" ? wtf is wrong with these people. [21:53]
mircea_popescu this is roughly like someone purporting to have an appartment for rent, comes with a "list of forbidden activities" : no opposite sex visitors, no masturbating, no drinking, no playing videogames [21:53]
kakobrekla at least they accept bitcoin. [21:54]
mircea_popescu pshhh [21:54]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE you making that bitcoin host yet ? [21:55]
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kakobrekla well since they infact accept it, i will reveal them https://incloudibly.net/en/ << artifexd [21:55]
mircea_popescu shitty "cloud" vms meh. [21:56]
kakobrekla they can also scam you with a dedi [21:56]
TomServo wins shitty name comp tho [21:56]
kakobrekla dun worry [21:56]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/e447ccf403ce8d421812a64c3c76ddfb/tumblr_myrbbpUozF1rpf3hvo1_500.jpg [21:58]
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cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/10/torrentlocker-hits-mildura-based-businesses/ bit extra info [22:06]
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danielpbarron cazalla, the bitcoin trader video was taken down; is it mirrored anywhere? [22:10]
cazalla danielpbarron, http://vimeo.com/95482020 [22:11]
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danielpbarron cazalla, tyvm [22:14]
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Naphex "LedgerX Gets Google, Lightspeed Backing to Set Up Regulated Bitcoin Futures Exchange" [22:15]
Naphex http://pevc.dowjones.com/article?an=DJFVW00120141027eaaraplay [22:15]
ben_vulpes neat! a dose of legitimacy. [22:17]
Naphex they're apperantly htting the presses with it [22:17]
Naphex http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/10/27/ledgerx-hopes-to-establish-first-u-s-regulated-futures-exchange-for-bitcoin/ [22:17]
Naphex "LedgerX Hopes to Establish First U.S.-Regulated Futures Exchange for Bitcoin" [22:17]
mircea_popescu yet another one of these ? [22:18]
mike_c first best [22:18]
bounce ``Supporters of the company [...], believe that a U.S.-regulated, U.S.-based futures exchange for bitcoin would settle down some of the volatility of bitcoin prices'' -- because US awesomeness and USG rules fix everything [22:18]
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mircea_popescu doubt there's that much interest for usd futures, but hey. [22:21]
mircea_popescu i imagine the idea is that perhaps bitcoin futures may be made to work like gold futures. which won't work, but hey, if google got too much dough we can always take some. [22:21]
Naphex it will probably take lots [22:24]
Naphex as people get closer to their realization points [22:24]
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BingoBoingo Rating change | Old rating -10 | New rating: jason > -10 > ninjashogun | Begs for ratings, expects to gain -OTC ratings through 'relationships' rather than trades but not will even reveal his name, goes crazy with name-calling and baseless scam allegations. Judge for yourself: http://pastebin.com/kLUHRrda [22:26]
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pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/27/the-revolution-was-fiat-the-reaction-is-bitcoin/ << a long one for you (yes you!) [22:36]
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diametric couldn't find anything easily in the log, whats up with bitbet? ddos? [22:39]
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kakobrekla bee hive possibly [22:42]
kakobrekla on a more serious note, yes. [22:43]
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mircea_popescu lol BingoBoingo i guess that guy's a troll! [22:52]
BingoBoingo I guess they have to be [22:52]
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mircea_popescu !up selltoshi [23:01]
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mircea_popescu !isup blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [23:06]
mircea_popescu i don't recall, was that supposed to work or not work ? [23:06]
mircea_popescu ;;isup blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [23:06]
gribble blogs.bitcoin-assets.com is down [23:06]
ben_vulpes wasn't PeterL going to set up a new blogs.ba [23:07]
ben_vulpes ? [23:07]
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mircea_popescu i think i saw something at some point tested maybe ? [23:08]
los_pantalones mircea_popescu i can't believe how much $ the ledgerX guys raised [23:08]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl what's the status on the rss thing ? [23:08]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:08]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones why not ? [23:08]
los_pantalones i've been on a few of due diligence calls for them [23:08]
mircea_popescu not like dollars are worth anything [23:08]
los_pantalones ha [23:08]
los_pantalones well, i mean relative to other companies in the space [23:08]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones you gotta understand, this is not economic activity, this is political activity. [23:08]
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mike_c http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2014#894456 [23:13]
assbot Logged on 25-10-2014 01:11:55; PeterL: mircea_popescu: scoopbot is a replacement for penguiker [23:13]
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mircea_popescu a yes ty [23:13]
mike_c los_pantalones: (if not prying) what firm are you with that you were doing diligence on them? [23:14]
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mircea_popescu til wget has no fucking way to specify maximum ram usage [23:18]
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BingoBoingo lol Rating change | Old rating -10 | New rating: jason > -10 > ninjashogun | Begs for ratings, expects to gain -OTC ratings through 'relationships' rather than trades but not will even reveal his name, goes crazy with name-calling and baseless scam allegations. | Update: threatens retaliation: https://www.zerobin.net/?f68049f827a4c22b#gJAbVHDgwklVp6uiF5etTGF8SRBz1ygeewdsHuQkMYI= [23:21]
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mircea_popescu http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1236166619_unzipping_the_internet.gif [23:23]
BingoBoingo hi [23:23]
BingoBoingo this is a scammer - you can read my convo with him here: [23:23]
BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/sCAJXL3f [23:23]
BingoBoingo please pastebin into channel too [23:23]
mike_c I know the answer! [23:25]
Azelphur haha, that dude is a bit of a tool [23:26]
Azelphur he has been ranting in #bitcoin-bans for ages now [23:26]
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mike_c yeah, he's been here plenty. [23:27]
Azelphur ninja I mean, to be clear [23:27]
Azelphur basically, everybody in this conversation is a tool [23:28]
Azelphur by this conversation, I mean the pastebin :P [23:28]
bounce such drama [23:28]
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BingoBoingo !b 3 [23:30]
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thickasthieves gawd i'm in logs purgatory [23:38]
thickasthieves you gais talk too much [23:38]
kakobrekla shutup [23:39]
thickasthieves true, i'm just gonna have to read this later [23:40]
ben_vulpes quickly generate more logs for thickasthieves [23:47]
kakobrekla make the lines very long so he will never be able to catch up [23:48]
ben_vulpes 33MB lines when [23:48]
kakobrekla ircd patch when [23:49]
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cazalla ben_vulpes, conformal are yet to get back to me [23:51]
BingoBoingo http://www.theawl.com/2014/10/rewriting-history-in-real-time-a-social-media-guide [23:51]
xanthyos <+asciilifeform> http://xkcd.com/1439 << where did that beekeeping person go? [23:51]
mike_c it's in the lawgs. hetzner. [23:51]
xanthyos <+asciilifeform> http://xkcd.com/1439 << where did that beekeeping person go? << #foodfight on EFNet [23:51]
ben_vulpes cazalla: what did you actually ask them? i eventually realized that the 32mb line is the nominal largest size of a p2p message. [23:52]
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cazalla pretty much this http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#896425 [23:53]
assbot Logged on 26-10-2014 04:06:13; ben_vulpes: cazalla: did you hear back from Conformal about the machines they used to come to their 32MB steady-state conclusion? [23:53]
ben_vulpes http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rewritingreddit << /me is amused at the "lisp/django" comparison [23:54]
ben_vulpes ah cazalla yeah yeah [23:54]
ben_vulpes didja comment on their blorg? [23:55]
mats_cd03 kako and ben are so cute together [23:57]
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