Forum logs for 27 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic the expectation would be that it'd be divisible by 32bit-shifted 1 + 1. [05:49]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic the expectation would be that it'd be divisible by 32bit-shifted 1 + 1, ie 100000000000000000000000000000001 ie 4294967297 [05:50]
mircea_popescu the most that can be said of a number produced through taking a composite (moduli are composites - of two primes yes, but composite) and applying the 32bit mirroring process is that you'll obtain an odd number. that's it. the probability of a number that large being prime is roughly speaking n/ln(n) [05:52]
mircea_popescu which for a 4096 key comes to about 0.03% or 1 in 3k [05:54]
mircea_popescu << my homeland begins and ends in that place where stupidity goes unrewarded. [05:57]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 05:04:30; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337 [05:57]
mircea_popescu that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud. [05:57]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly, [06:05]
mircea_popescu or numerically, the confidence that none is prime is something like 97% or thereabouts. [06:06]
mircea_popescu << omg let people reserve their judgement. would you need new limbs ? what kind ? how big ? [06:10]
assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:24:50; Adlai: smaller? larger? dynamiker? polymorfic? [06:10]
mircea_popescu you'll never be able to go to the moon with just the two pairs you got! [06:10]
mircea_popescu << the problem with finance isn't "that there exist numbers" but "that there exists unknowns". fixed inflation is not fundamentally different from zero inflation just as long as the inflation is known. which of the two is more convenient (and it's purely a matter of clerical convenience) reduces to a discussion of whether humanity is an ever-expanding cancer or a c [06:12]
mircea_popescu yclical process like adp metabolism. [06:12]
assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:32; Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation [06:12]
mircea_popescu i happen to believe the later's the case, but i would certainly regret to see the alternative viewpoint bereft of an experimentally available venue, because i am by no means certain this is so. [06:13]
mircea_popescu for this reason, monero's choice is reasonable whatever anyone involved may personally believe - because bitcoin already exists [06:15]
mircea_popescu that said, i'm still waiting for fluffypony to come an' say alright guyse, this is ready to present to b-a. because stuff like or ... srsly, colored rectangles ? WOW!11 [06:22]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: it's an open-source project, so I'm waiting for contributors to fill that stuff in :) [06:23]
mircea_popescu makes sense. [06:24]
mircea_popescu still, from the other pov... fuckall knows what's in there. [06:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8397 @ 0.00028816 = 2.4197 BTC [+] [06:24]
mircea_popescu now, it's true that the first time around (ie, bitcoin), i spent my own money/time to get it researched. but expecting the same be done the 2nd time around is unreasonable. [06:25]
mircea_popescu Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke. [06:27]
mircea_popescu no further issues needed. [06:27]
mircea_popescu zero coin seems to me exactly designed as a lizard hitler back-up, "alt-bitcoin" bs. [06:28]
mircea_popescu fluffypony in any case, comparisons with dead cows like zerocoin, coinjoin etc aren't interesting. i'd like to hear a comparison with bitbet mixing, which is to my eyes the golden standard in bitcoin anonimizing of chain-visible transactions. [06:30]
mircea_popescu << ayup. there's really no secret that the clay legged giants of the fiat world are both unable to compete and only great in their own imagination. [06:33]
assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:41; mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion [06:33]
mircea_popescu much like any two bit bitcoin-wallet / what have you, their time to "be hacked" will come. [06:33]
mircea_popescu << from the crypts of the lost : "Can you run Monero miner through TOR? If yes, what change would need to made to the bat file on the opening page? I'm using Windows. thanks" [06:34]
assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:37:37; mats: a surprisingly large number of folks run java EE and .NET application servers [06:34]
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mircea_popescu << and in this BingoBoingo would be exactly correct. [06:35]
assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:39:59; *: BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way [06:35]
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mircea_popescu << yes, it should. it can not, and it will not, which essentially renders "the uk governmenty" null and void. [06:37]
assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:45:41; williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised." [06:37]
mircea_popescu << alternatively, you could just go join #adlai. seeing how idem. [06:40]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 00:57:54; Adlai: it's only information if you care about it [06:40]
mircea_popescu << dude, that was possibly the craziest most riveting day in memory. [06:48]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:12:26; danielpbarron: and this [06:48]
mircea_popescu course dunno how comprehensible it all is by now. [06:48]
mircea_popescu << quotes belong around our :) [06:51]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:33:20; decimation: where's our 'snowden' from that world? [06:51]
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davout monero is pretty neat, the only real problem I see is that it'll bloat even faster than bitcoin given the fact that ring signatures are pretty expensive [06:54]
davout (size-wise) [06:54]
mircea_popescu how expensive ? [06:56]
mircea_popescu < division of labour eh ? "you build a city out of vacant lots" [06:57]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:40:00; decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice [06:57]
davout mircea_popescu: if i understood correctly it's up to the sender, the idea being that you obfuscate where the money's coming from by signing a group of inputs that you may or may not contrel, only one of them being actually spent [06:57]
davout *control [06:57]
mircea_popescu << i recall this. one of the pillars of my original "lol apple is not worth money" notions. [06:57]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:45:02; mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page [06:57]
davout fluffypony: this correct? ^ [06:57]
mircea_popescu davout see kinda why i'm waiting for him to decide to present it. [06:58]
davout you could, again if i understand correctly, decide to only spend a single input and work in a bitcoin-like 'degraded' mode [06:58]
davout in this case the sig may actually be smaller [06:58]
mircea_popescu << that weight being entirely novel, and ulterior to the first iphone. [06:59]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:46:08; decimation: yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around [06:59]
mircea_popescu davout the problem of bloat is not something that can be individually addressed. in a sense/under a certain perspective this is like saying that 1800s london was incredibly smoky because of all the heating coal usage, but you could also burn clean coal, which was only slightly more expensive. [07:00]
davout fluffypony: what was that podcast you made in which you explained how monero works? [07:00]
mircea_popescu sure... and whether you do or don't, your clothes will be gray. [07:00]
davout so far my actual experience with monero is that the initial sync is horribly slow [07:01]
davout i built the daemon five days ago, have it running since then, and it's still 220 days behind apparently [07:03]
mircea_popescu out of what, 350 ? [07:03]
mircea_popescu << apparently to hear cazalla, not so long. sounds like you could get land in montana for a tenth of what they make him pay. [07:04]
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mircea_popescu << dun tell me that fruit is keiser ?! [07:05]
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cazalla 95% of australia isn't livable [07:06]
mircea_popescu << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated. [07:07]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 04:19:15; asciilifeform: << unrelated. catalogue of a soviet 'birch' store (sold products to K00l K1dz for d0ll4rz) circa 1975. [07:07]
mircea_popescu cazalla no fresh water ? [07:07]
cazalla no anything [07:08]
cazalla [07:08]
mircea_popescu o shit, the tins of soviet caviar. [07:08]
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mircea_popescu dude if the soviets did something right... caviar's been dead since the 90s. [07:09]
fluffypony davout: yes - the sender chooses a mixin, although in ~2 years the minimum mixin goes up to you + 4 others (for each input) [07:09]
mircea_popescu those bare metal tins FULL of it to the popping... [07:09]
mircea_popescu fluffypony how ? [07:09]
fluffypony but we can prune and retain the txoset and the key image set [07:09]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: you mean how does the sender choose? [07:09]
mircea_popescu no i mean how do you know what happens in 2 years. [07:10]
davout <<< pretty much [07:10]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 09:59:24; mircea_popescu: out of what, 350 ? [07:10]
fluffypony oh - in the protocol we have a block height that is approx. 2 years from now where the minimum mixin kicks up to 4 [07:10]
mircea_popescu aha [07:11]
fluffypony it's just privacy improvements, per this: MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol ( [07:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what. [07:11]
mircea_popescu fluffypony how does someone else using a 1 instead of a 5 degrade my privacy ? [07:12]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: if you use a 5 and the recipient then sends funds on using a mixin of 1 then there's a risk that the real input can be unmasked, which links it back to the previous transaction [07:13]
* fluffypony bearing in mind that it's on a per-input basis [07:13]
mircea_popescu ah i c [07:13]
fluffypony [07:14]
fluffypony that's the LTB podcast where I explain a bit about it [07:14]
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mircea_popescu i'm too far gone to be help-able by video. [07:15]
mircea_popescu << bwahaha oh 80s! where are you! [07:15]
fluffypony it's even worse, it's audio only :-P [07:15]
mircea_popescu << would you look at that. my wp auto-redirects to new url if i fuck up a title. you two gotta look into that. [07:16]
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assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 05:19:44; scoopbot_revived: IRS Confirms Breech Reported 2 Months Ago [07:16]
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cazalla fixed the typo in the url [07:29]
scoopbot_revived IRS Confirms Breach Reported 2 Months Ago [07:29]
cazalla bwahah already closed up shop [07:30]
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cazalla who ever could've guessed [07:30]
mircea_popescu cazalla a cool [07:31]
mircea_popescu cazalla poor roger ver really belongs in the gallery of famous tragic characters, with brave, brave, brave sir robert, the tragic clown and his faithful wife nedda etc. [07:32]
mircea_popescu here's the story of a simple country boy, one could say a cock-eyed optimist who got himself a number of pleabargained felonies after which the sun seemed to shine, and all his long held frustrations as to relevancy for business, intellectual prowess and whatnot seemed to realise! finally! oh, how this moment had been pined for. [07:33]
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mircea_popescu but then... horror of horrors! everything he touches turns to shit, and now here he is, stuck trying to hold on to the status long after the water's gone out. [07:34]
mircea_popescu thousands of bitcoin donated to a shitty foundation ? gone, as is the foundation. [07:34]
mircea_popescu paltry attempts to make it stay relevant about as effectual as spitting in the wind. [07:34]
cazalla i figured him as autistic tbh [07:34]
mircea_popescu the guy spent more than it was worth (in bitcoin treading for a pittance) to acquire a "valuable" domain, as if a domain name could ever be valuable. [07:35]
cazalla in his videos his eyes have that glassed over, empty look [07:35]
cazalla but anyway, and, 2 diff things just occuring at the same time [07:35]
mircea_popescu and now he's stuck in a world where others may entertain his pretense (to "professionalism" or to "business-like" or whatever else), but a) only third worlders, and b) only for as far as they find it net positive. [07:35]
fluffypony when they say it "lead to the loss of the domain" what do they mean [07:35]
fluffypony GAW owns the domain? [07:36]
mircea_popescu so no, okpay isn't gonna pay him "what the contract says". okpay doesn't belong to the space of delusion he belongs to. [07:36]
mircea_popescu fluffypony it means the fountain of shit these people create as a byproduct of their metabolism. [07:36]
mircea_popescu the domain no longer has an owner, it's a toxic asset now [07:36]
mircea_popescu much like the original bitcoin magazine [07:36]
mircea_popescu for exactly the same reasons. [07:36]
cazalla fluffypony, garza "bought" it last year for 1 million.. to pay off in installments over 36 months.. but garza has no money left apparently.. so he leases it to bitcoinist, pockets the money and the real owner of the domain takes it back as garza late/failed to make payments leaving bitcoinist up shit creek [07:36]
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fluffypony ah [07:37]
mircea_popescu cazalla there's at least three parties if not like five with some sort of claim oiver it, all of which cost more to prosecute than the thing would cost to replace. [07:37]
cazalla but the bitcoinist guy should've known better seeing he already went through this with garza last year when garza was going to buy bitcoinist and mate tokay wanted green card, 200k, lambo, unit and all that other shit [07:37]
mircea_popescu which is why we don't believe for a second that this is a bona fide business dispute. [07:37]
mircea_popescu just more smokefronting. [07:38]
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cazalla kids and their pokemon cards [07:38]
chetty appeals court ruled against obama amnesty stuff, sometimes the law kinda works, but I doubt it will stop anything, courts cant enforce and there is history of O thumbing nose at them [07:39]
mircea_popescu if ballas were around the one thing i'd ask him would be to write up this particular story. it's something else, "the failures of roger ver's pretense on the jagged shores of reality - 2010 - 2015" [07:39]
mircea_popescu chetty which one is this again ? [07:39]
chetty O made exec order about giving illegals status and green cards and stuff, Texas sued [07:40]
cazalla i thought his amnesty was quite limited to who and time (3 years?) [07:40]
mircea_popescu o. heh. [07:40]
mircea_popescu chetty and i presume the people in question already received the green cards right ? [07:41]
chetty well I bet some did, coursts issued injunctions but I think the agencies just ignored it [07:41]
mircea_popescu and obviously nobody's going to jail for any of this. [07:42]
mircea_popescu no "20 years to life for wilfully breaking the law from a position of government". [07:42]
mircea_popescu just you know, "Dear Judge Forrest," [07:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [09:34]
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gribble You rated user davout on Tue Apr 22 11:42:23 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central; met IRL. [11:14]
asciilifeform hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too << these have remote login with default creds ? [11:17]
asciilifeform 'Once the router is powered off, it restarts without the worm present.' << lamers [11:18]
asciilifeform jurov: at this point, it would take a good bit to surprise me. [11:21]
asciilifeform << rootless kosmopolitan (TM) (R) [11:21]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 08:53:47; mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud. [11:21]
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asciilifeform << not one of those things is prime, for perfectly valid arithmetical reasons (see Apocalyptic's note about 641 and 6700417. and you can prove it, but i'm leaving it as an exercise for now) [11:24]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 09:01:53; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly, [11:24]
asciilifeform << see the old 'promises vs mathematics' thread also. [11:25]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 09:23:44; mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke. [11:25]
asciilifeform << my understanding is that similar establishments, under ru management, existed in the 'colonies' under a variety of names [11:28]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 10:03:44; mircea_popescu: << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated. [11:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the wares were marketed mainly to diplomatic staff, who were paid in a peculiar kind of scrip rather than ruble (which was Officially non-exportable) [11:29]
asciilifeform << yeah, same. i nearly imploded upon seeing that. [11:30]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 10:05:20; *: mircea_popescu still has a salivation reflex. [11:30]
asciilifeform << thing is about 50/50 'best of ru' and imported things. [11:32]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 10:07:45; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what. [11:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the comments were gold. folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money. [11:33]
asciilifeform (the trick was, the scrip was available on the black market, in exchange for ordinary - or as they were called, 'wooden' - ruble.) [11:34]
asciilifeform in other news, [11:35]
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asciilifeform gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' [11:35]
asciilifeform i have a number of 'conventional' nodes where this warning now appears. [11:36]
asciilifeform !up thestringpuller [11:36]
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thestringpuller << apparenlty this is shipping today? 2 months ahead of schedule... [11:36]
thestringpuller 6 times more than a pogo tho [11:37]
asciilifeform costs like a real computer [11:37]
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asciilifeform jurov: common experience. vysotsky even had a mega-popular song about it. [11:38]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: seems like "clustefuck to the hard fork" type deal goin on. [11:40]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: the trick with pogo, incidentally, is that its price is a rather artificial thing. my understanding is that they were sold 'at cost' and presently sold at liquidation price. [11:43]
asciilifeform nothing - and i mean, -nothing- remotely comparable is available for any less than 6x the cost. [11:44]
asciilifeform it is -literally- the cheapest device on the planet which runs bitcoin. [11:45]
asciilifeform jurov: ram ? [11:45]
asciilifeform and l0l try running your node over a gsm modem today [11:45]
asciilifeform or wat, broken ?! [11:45]
asciilifeform aha [11:45]
asciilifeform how cheap is 'cheap' ? [11:45]
jurov 30eur [11:46]
asciilifeform 2-3x the cost of pogo. [11:46]
asciilifeform and phone flash is typically dog-slow [11:46]
jurov no here it's same as pogo [11:46]
asciilifeform not to mention that 32GB is undersized. [11:46]
asciilifeform you'd have to throw it out in a year or so. [11:46]
asciilifeform (likely sooner) [11:47]
mircea_popescu <----> and other unrelated matter. [11:47]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 14:09:39; jurov: [11:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there is no shortage of folks doing this even now. [11:47]
jurov also you forget that you have to buy ssd for the pogo [11:47]
asciilifeform jurov: true [11:48]
asciilifeform jurov: but this applies to any device [11:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nor is there any hope for naive "social media" pseudo-businesses in the future. [11:48]
jurov danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo? [11:48]
mircea_popescu by which i mean facebook and its spawn, twitter, reddit etc. [11:48]
asciilifeform because if something were to ship with the 128GB or whatnot that a sane person would ask for a node - built-in, the device would have a capped lifespan [11:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the payola from usg continues, life carries on. at no point are actual users required. [11:49]
asciilifeform see also orlov's 'dead souls' essay. [11:49]
mircea_popescu the idea isn't to make it impossible for the usg to pretend like itexists. [11:49]
mircea_popescu the idea is to make it impossible for anyone to use it for any useful purpose. [11:50]
asciilifeform jurov: i haven't a synced one. ask danielpbarron [11:50]
mircea_popescu otherwise, the "republic of china" can carry on. [11:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can scarcely remember a time when it -was- usable for some useful purpose. [11:51]
asciilifeform perhaps '06-07 [11:51]
mircea_popescu weren't you insisting, a day or two ago, that "these folks can still eat - unaffacted" ? [11:52]
asciilifeform aha [11:52]
asciilifeform because they get fed by usg automagically [11:52]
mircea_popescu but then you yourself do notice that no, they can't eat, when you say "folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money." [11:52]
mircea_popescu arentcha a bundle of contradictions! [11:52]
asciilifeform wai wat [11:52]
mircea_popescu in any case : the beatings will continue. [11:52]
mircea_popescu soon enough usg folk will be able to eat paper and so on. [11:52]
asciilifeform link to 'beriozka' is pertinent because at no point did the senior managerial caste lose their access to goodies [11:53]
mircea_popescu << heh. nature red in tooth and claw. except of course those claws aren't all that impressive for mankind. not anymore at any rate. [11:53]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' [11:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the usg senior caste has. [11:53]
mircea_popescu look into what they eat for primo steak. [11:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when i spot obama in my local shitgrocery i will then agree. [11:54]
mircea_popescu go eat at the wh sometime. [11:54]
asciilifeform when he is picking the less-rotten tomatoes with his own two hands [11:54]
mircea_popescu now that you have the experience of actual steak. [11:54]
asciilifeform as far as i'm concerned, wh menu may or may not include flesh of virgins [11:55]
asciilifeform postmen - will eat paper, yes [11:56]
mircea_popescu lmao schmuck is STILL going on with his retarded "no comments allowed" posts about how bitcoin this or that ? [11:56]
asciilifeform i've been informed that some already are [11:56]
mircea_popescu ridoinculous. [11:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform [11:56]
mircea_popescu not like it's THAT hard. [11:56]
asciilifeform l0l i think they actually guard the parties now [11:56]
asciilifeform so yes, postmen - will eat paper. but less than 2 yrs ago i was a guest at a house party of a fella who, it turned out, was middle management at nsa. he is not eating paper. [11:57]
asciilifeform he eats very, very well. [11:57]
mircea_popescu in any case : the beatings will continue. [11:57]
mircea_popescu he will eat worse next year. [11:58]
asciilifeform he will eat worse once he runs out of my and neighbour's fat. [11:58]
asciilifeform and not before. [11:58]
jurov if you so insist [11:59]
asciilifeform jurov: dogs, then, also have fleas because they insist ? [11:59]
jurov "on irc, no one knows i am a dog" [12:00]
asciilifeform i like converse 'on the net, though no one might know, i am still a dog' [12:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he has a point. yes, they will try, which is why you (the impersonal you) wants to get out of there. [12:01]
asciilifeform and yes, if dog could get ddt - he would [12:01]
mircea_popescu would it ? [12:02]
asciilifeform certainly, if he knew of it [12:02]
mircea_popescu how do you know this ? [12:02]
asciilifeform cannot know, obviously [12:02]
asciilifeform but only suspect [12:02]
mircea_popescu maybe dog knows but believes it somehow is exceptional for him. [12:02]
mircea_popescu "when i see birds using ddt i'll believe it" or somesuch [12:03]
asciilifeform something almost aesopian about this [12:03]
mircea_popescu indeed. [12:03]
asciilifeform in other news, pump is running: [12:04]
jurov btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there [12:04]
asciilifeform jurov: congrats ! [12:04]
asciilifeform germany is spiffy [12:04]
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mircea_popescu i will for the record point out that the way alf and apparently everyone else's adopted "pet" to refer to their SO is driving some of the slavegirls up the fucking walls. [12:05]
asciilifeform l0l why [12:05]
mircea_popescu because apparently tm [12:06]
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asciilifeform btw a pet is not simply any sex partner, but one that you keep fed, combed, vet visits, ..., etc. and don't send out to work for pay [12:07]
mircea_popescu so = significant other [12:07]
asciilifeform aha [12:07]
jurov ;;ud tm [12:07]
gribble | I'm honoured by TM's presense! I'm glad to be at your service TM! TM is at the battlefield fighting some gauls, brb. (note on the fridge by Caesar to Cleopatra). [12:07]
mircea_popescu trademark lol [12:07]
asciilifeform when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' [12:07]
mircea_popescu i suspek it's mostly because i use "good pet" as a congratulatory term. as opposed to variations of "you motherfuckin' bitch you!" and so on. [12:08]
asciilifeform aha same [12:08]
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jurov lol fifa brass detained, "But Fifa says it plans to go ahead with an election for president as planned." [12:27]
jurov honey badgers of soccer [12:28]
jurov of power rangers of ~ ? [12:30]
jurov *or [12:30]
mircea_popescu amusingly, romania had a similar thing going coupla years ago, sent half the coaches/club heads/trainers etc in the country behind bars [12:35]
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mats [13:25]
mats " Obama noted that the controversial bulk phone collections program, which was exposed by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, is reformed in the House bill, which does away with it over six months and instead gives phone companies the responsibility of maintaining phone records that the government can search." [13:25]
mats [13:36]
assbot Logged on 24-05-2015 15:09:42; mircea_popescu: mats eh, this is just a dog and pony show for young rand etc. what'll happen is the wh backe,d house vetted solution where the nsa doesn't keep the records, phone companies do, nsa just asks for what it needs. [13:36]
jurov wow what a shitgnomery. concerned only narrowly with performance,throwing the opportunity to encrypt file metadata out of the window [13:37]
davout <<< come to france sometime, eat some real food [13:37]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 15:01:32; jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there [13:38]
jurov lolk [13:38]
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ben_vulpes gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' << 'alerts' can be delivered per-node? [13:56]
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ben_vulpes when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr [14:01]
mats [14:11]
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ascii_field << pray tell, why ? [15:04]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 16:56:58; ben_vulpes: when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr [15:04]
ben_vulpes livestock vs pets [15:09]
ascii_field i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock [15:09]
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ben_vulpes not husbandry in the marital sense, ascii_field [15:30]
ascii_field i still don't get it [15:33]
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mats [15:42]
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mats so, whats going on here is that the USAF has been trying to kill the A-10 aircraft for some time now, largely on the basis that they don't really give a shit about the Army and don't want to provide support to other programs with money from their own budget [15:43]
mats which would be fine except there's no way to replace the capability of the A-10 with something else [15:45]
ascii_field good riddance and three cheers to the eventual replacement of all usg aircraft with paper airplanes. [15:46]
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danielpbarron << 45G .bitcoin/ [16:15]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 14:44:35; jurov: danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo? [16:15]
jurov wow [16:16]
danielpbarron solidly in the "you need a 64g thing" territory [16:16]
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danielpbarron it's about the same size on my non-pogo node; how big is it for the "core" implementation [16:17]
mod6 my full sync's (non-pogo) with v0.5.3.1 are about the same 44-45Gb [16:21]
jurov 44G, too [16:26]
jurov on 0.10 [16:26]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis. [16:48]
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mircea_popescu jurov seems they're making the point quite plainly : "we call this encryption, but really it's only intended to keep your pictures on stolen phones away from the thief. nothing absolutely to do with security, just a gimmick" [16:49]
mircea_popescu the age old new jersey 90%. [16:49]
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jurov more like "intended to keep application data away from phone owner" [16:50]
mircea_popescu mats not just the thunderbolt. same story with the warthog. idea being basically "we wish to move on from this real-items tethered system of bezzle to a system of pure bezzle. we do not wish to have any further actual items involved in the entire allocation and expenditure of budgets thing" [16:50]
jurov pics are nowhere mentioned, they§ll stay unencrypted [16:50]
mircea_popescu i can see why, too. if there's no actual items involved there's much less risk to doing it all, as nobody can ever be shown definitively to have fucked up. [16:51]
mircea_popescu the social "sciences" approach to life. [16:51]
mircea_popescu jurov well all is good then :D [16:52]
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ascii_field << l0l who said unexercised. [16:52]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 19:44:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis. [16:52]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field well inasmuch as that's what "produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone" means, you did. [16:56]
ascii_field i do agree, pets must be exercised properly [16:57]
ascii_field but there is more than one way to do it. [16:57]
ascii_field some kinds of pet, for instance, may be turned loose to roam and hunt [16:58]
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ascii_field others - walked, on a leash [16:58]
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mircea_popescu << warthog bullets ftr [17:04]
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ascii_field unrelated: anybody locate the inevitable pgp client which only looks at bottom (or top) 32 bits of each 64-bit modulus chunk when computing fingerprint ? [17:06]
ascii_field because we know that it exists [17:06]
ascii_field just not -which-. [17:07]
mircea_popescu hunt for it has been ongoing, but we don't have one yet [17:07]
mircea_popescu the chumps derping about self-importantly on "cryptographic" "lists" etc are certainly using it - but so far too dumb to realise they shyould be looking. [17:07]
* mircea_popescu waves at idiots. [17:07]
ascii_field perhaps time for a bounty ? [17:07]
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mircea_popescu unbountyable [17:09]
ascii_field ? [17:09]
mircea_popescu (i could diddle one too, what use is it. we need the actual item, not something custom made) [17:10]
ascii_field naturally bounty would require proving that the animal existed in the wild prior to the discovery [17:10]
ascii_field this is not entirely impossible [17:10]
mircea_popescu i'd much rather take someone's word. which requires people motivated by their own functioning head. [17:13]
ascii_field i conjecture that the overlap of these and the folks using chump-pgp is a null set [17:14]
ascii_field so it'll have to be a digging expedition [17:14]
ascii_field complete with ancient versions of winblows, etc [17:14]
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mircea_popescu since we were discussing airplanes : f-15, pretty much the only successful military jet to be ever designed and produced by the us by itself, has cost ~35 bn for the ~1200 items produced, and has managed a total kill score of ~100. [17:16]
mircea_popescu this means each aerial victory the us has obtained through its most successful program to date cost ~350 million dollars. [17:17]
mircea_popescu anyone wonder why they prefer to win imaginary victories via bribing whatever newspaper is fashionable that day ? shit's damned expensive. [17:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: very much broken assumption here, though [17:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the airplane was not built for victories [17:17]
mircea_popescu i don't care what people intend. [17:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it was made to 1) intimidate 2) churn money [17:17]
ascii_field afaik it works great for 1+2 and therefore meets spec [17:18]
mircea_popescu mig 21 was never intimidated by it. [17:19]
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mircea_popescu speaking of pets, milk & all, [17:34]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:35]
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* ascii_field just noticed anal pattern in mircea_popescu's links [17:36]
mircea_popescu anal patel ? [17:36]
ascii_field just that iirc all of the gurlz are being buggered [17:37]
ascii_field 'different strokes for different folks' (TM) (R) [17:37]
mircea_popescu maybe they're gay. [17:37]
mircea_popescu by special demand : [17:43]
* ascii_field amused that ^this is exotic while buggery - sop [17:47]
ascii_field 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by an inch' (TM) (R) [17:47]
mircea_popescu romanian expression of superlative chickdom being, "as fute-o si-n pizda" [17:47]
mircea_popescu "i'd fuck her even in the cunt!" [17:47]
ascii_field l0l [17:50]
ascii_field i don't get it, how did buggery become the 'standard' ? [17:50]
* ascii_field isn't tickled by the idea at all, confesses [17:50]
* ascii_field finds it an utterly incomprehensible taste, like the idea of fucking a garden hose [17:51]
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mircea_popescu ever tried it ? [18:05]
ascii_field garden hose is far ahead on the list of what to try [18:05]
ascii_field as is old boot [18:06]
ascii_field and accordion [18:06]
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mircea_popescu so you don't understand the appeal of something you've never tried. not so remarkable neh ? [18:06]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly, weirdest video of today [18:06]
mircea_popescu take that vexual. [18:06]
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-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [18:07]
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ascii_field i haven't tried coprophagia either [18:08]
ascii_field have you? [18:08]
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ascii_field perhaps it is instantly addictive! [18:09]
mircea_popescu i know some people that have, let's put it this way. [18:11]
mircea_popescu but the error here's thinking of sexual behaviour in objective terms. there's no such thing. [18:12]
ascii_field well yes. [18:12]
ascii_field hence the 'different stokes' proverb [18:12]
mircea_popescu or as that chick in pride and prejudice points out, "sometimes it seems like wanting someone to stick his finger in your nose" [18:12]
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mircea_popescu << also, not anal. [18:13]
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ascii_field ambiguous [18:14]
ascii_field but i can see it. [18:14]
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cazalla <<< i know eh, they poop from there after all [18:34]
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danielpbarron << is boost only needed for the FOREACH loops and some hardware control stuff in the mining functions? [18:45]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [18:45]
danielpbarron !up ascii_field [18:46]
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ascii_field danielpbarron: needed for just about all of the data structures ! [18:46]
ascii_field srsly [18:46]
ascii_field whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper [18:47]
danielpbarron is it possible to replace all the foreach loops with regular old for loops? [18:47]
ascii_field danielpbarron: in principle. bloating the code 20x [18:47]
ascii_field and you would have to replace the lists, hashmaps, etc. with something equivalent [18:48]
mircea_popescu yeah sadly this is not really distinct from plain rewrite [18:49]
ascii_field not only this, but the inevitable result would be a re-implementation of 'boost.' [18:50]
ascii_field cpp is a turd and it is boost which was used here to keep the turd sufficiently solid for lathe work [18:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171756 @ 0.00030673 = 52.6827 BTC [+] {4} [19:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50266 @ 0.00031128 = 15.6468 BTC [+] {2} [19:20]
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mod6 <+ascii_field> whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper << i saw some power-ranger derping in -dev about how it only use boost for "FOREACH" loops. was thinking "have you actually even read the code?!?" [19:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0002996 = 2.7264 BTC [-] {2} [19:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00029653 = 14.9155 BTC [-] {3} [19:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27719 @ 0.00029225 = 8.1009 BTC [-] {2} [20:02]
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williamdunne How is everyone doing? [20:15]
BingoBoingo Eh, doing [20:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32876 @ 0.00029173 = 9.5909 BTC [-] {2} [20:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15883 @ 0.00029071 = 4.6173 BTC [-] {2} [20:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00029115 = 10.3941 BTC [+] [20:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13146 @ 0.00029115 = 3.8275 BTC [+] [20:59]
trinque ;;later tell gabriel_laddel I did a git pull, and now the repl fills with dots perpetually instead of freezing, looks like the stumpwm process is doing a lot [21:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:01]
BingoBoingo << Can confirm [21:04]
assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' [21:04]
danielpbarron ^ also can confirm [21:06]
BingoBoingo Apparently when this started [21:06]
mats [21:07]
BingoBoingo Not questioner is refered to which does not mention latest alert [21:08]
mats SourceForge has been diddling downloads for some years... [21:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.0003115 = 4.2831 BTC [+] [21:10]
mats [21:15]
danielpbarron lol gimp on winblows? is it so hard to crack photoshop these days? [21:15]
williamdunne copy amtlib.dll paste [21:18]
BingoBoingo Oh, and look what just popped up on reddit after being mentioned here another time: [21:26]
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ben_vulpes i do agree, pets must be exercised properly << exercise for pets. yokes for my oxen, saddles for my horses, mice for my cats, and coyotes for my dogs. [21:30]
mats a weighted vest is incredible for training a dog [21:31]
mats and so are weighted toys [21:32]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu [21:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:44]
asciilifeform ^ just in now [21:44]
BingoBoingo Beautiful [21:48]
BingoBoingo So what all versions of bitcoin has everyone here been seeing alerts on? 0.7 series here. danielpbarron? [21:49]
asciilifeform [21:52]
asciilifeform ^ possible answer to the riddle [21:52]
asciilifeform ^ shitgnome key not involved; but proliferation of shitgnomiferous nodes leads to the trap [21:52]
danielpbarron yeah 0.7.2 here [21:53]
danielpbarron did not see it on my 0.5.3.x [21:53]
danielpbarron confirming that the patch did in fact remove it [21:53]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: because the trap isn't there [21:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77116 @ 0.00031081 = 23.9684 BTC [-] {3} [21:58]
BingoBoingo Oh, apparently that reddit post has a comment, but it is invisibru [22:00]
BingoBoingo [22:11]
cazalla i've been getting those alerts for some months and i get hit with orphans and other shit when it happens and have to use a backup to start again [22:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6782 @ 0.00030922 = 2.0971 BTC [-] [22:52]
BingoBoingo MPOE seems like It's been awfully stable at the 3 mark lately [22:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00030714 = 5.5746 BTC [-] {2} [23:12]
mats its bumming me out [23:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.0003045 = 4.7807 BTC [-] [23:15]
* BingoBoingo may or may not be backing into MPOE monthly. Provided a given person didn't put too much into MPOE at 8+ and MPOE stabilizes long term near 5, could still be profitable. [23:20]
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decimation asciilifeform: didn't you need a note from stalin to shop in the dollar store in su? [23:40]
decimation surely some prole showing up with dollars would be enough cause to send the local security to check him out [23:41]
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