Forum logs for 25 Jul 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu speaking of which, fun fact : notaries in argentina require you to put your thumbprint next to doc uments you sign [00:00]
mircea_popescu which is really ofputting, because in many cultures, such as my own, the thumbprint is the curse of the illiterate. [00:00]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight so then go ;;eauth DreadKnight [00:00]
DreadKnight ;;eauth DreadKnight [00:00]
gribble Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035 [00:00]
mircea_popescu curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035|gpg [00:00]
assbot 404 Not Found [00:00]
thestringpuller gpg --decrypt [00:01]
thestringpuller ;;ident [00:01]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None [00:01]
DreadKnight that command did nothing [00:01]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight well then just get the pgp blob at the url, then run gpg and paste it in [00:02]
mircea_popescu !s conference [00:03]
assbot 491 results for 'conference' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=conference [00:03]
mircea_popescu Rassah: Any of you guys ever go to conferences? ^ a bunch of people went to all sorts of them. [00:04]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, I'm a bit noobish; running gpg in a terminal... and it's like gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... then I paste F6A23D326FDF1035 in? xD [00:05]
mircea_popescu no. paste the blob you find at that url [00:05]
mircea_popescu http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035 [00:05]
DreadKnight oh, you wanted the public key [00:06]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:06]
mircea_popescu the login process is that you make a claim as to who you are, gribble encodes a string to that public key [00:06]
mircea_popescu to prove you actualy are that you decrypt and present the string [00:06]
DreadKnight I got the string, any preferred pastebin? [00:06]
mircea_popescu you go ;;everify string [00:06]
DreadKnight ;;everify string [00:07]
gribble Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again. [00:07]
mircea_popescu !b 5 [00:07]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/271VZ4C.txt ) [00:07]
pankkake and press the any key :) [00:07]
asciilifeform then press 'any key.' [00:07]
asciilifeform damn [00:07]
DreadKnight oh, I ignored gribble a while ago, was poking me daily on private [00:08]
mircea_popescu now try replacing "string" with you know, the actual string. [00:08]
pankkake that would explain your difficulties :D [00:08]
mircea_popescu lol [00:08]
DreadKnight yeah [00:08]
mircea_popescu you can keep it ignored really. the otp url never changes [00:08]
DreadKnight was thinking I'm not running those commands [00:08]
DreadKnight well, I'm not sure where to press any key :P [00:09]
mircea_popescu you don't actually need any input from it to do this. just flip its state twice. [00:09]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight what's that string then ? [00:09]
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DreadKnight it's a few lines long [00:09]
mircea_popescu nah [00:09]
asciilifeform DreadKnight: it's on the back of your power supply block. [00:09]
mircea_popescu this is a typical session, looky : [00:09]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [00:09]
mircea_popescu Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 [00:09]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b754a642b13565e0bfe87f3083717c62829912335e322188a0e32d01 [00:09]
mircea_popescu You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [00:09]
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DreadKnight ;;everify string [00:11]
gribble Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again. [00:11]
mircea_popescu >.> [00:11]
DreadKnight ikr :D [00:11]
DreadKnight ;;eauth DreadKnight [00:12]
gribble Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035 [00:12]
mircea_popescu at this rate you'll have to write things on your tits a la indiancandy girl. [00:12]
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asciilifeform ;;seen indiancandy [00:12]
gribble indiancandy was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: find nickserver [00:12]
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pankkake I don't know why I never noticed the URL did not change… could have saved me a step [00:13]
pankkake ;;seen indiancandy1 [00:13]
gribble indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: 500* [00:13]
BingoBoingo !s indiancandy1 [00:13]
HeySteve the URL never changes? lol [00:13]
HeySteve learn something new every day [00:14]
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jurov yea, i only find and run from history: curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/ID | gpg -q --output - --decrypt [00:14]
assbot 404 Not Found [00:14]
mircea_popescu HeySteve the url is really your keyid [00:14]
mircea_popescu pankkake this is the benefit of halping noobs. [00:15]
mircea_popescu one never knows who the noob really is :D [00:15]
HeySteve mircea_popescu that makes sense [00:15]
BingoBoingo !up DreadKnight [00:15]
* assbot gives voice to DreadKnight [00:15]
DreadKnight ;;eauth DreadKnight [00:15]
gribble Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035 [00:15]
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mircea_popescu !up efefefrbrb [00:16]
-assbot- You voiced efefefrbrb for 30 minutes. [00:16]
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mircea_popescu DreadKnight congrats. [00:16]
mircea_popescu !rate DreadKnight 1 HoMM fan! [00:16]
mircea_popescu ;;rate DreadKnight 1 HoMM fan! [00:16]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user DreadKnight has been recorded. [00:16]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight now you can self-voice. you identify with gribble (same process as you just completed) then pm assbot !up [00:16]
DreadKnight sorry it took me so long, did that stuff last time about 1 year ago perhaps xD ignoring gribble only added to the confusion [00:16]
efefefrbrb still amused by the whole Ethereum scam [00:16]
mircea_popescu efefefrbrb you need a better name [00:17]
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mircea_popescu uh. [00:18]
mircea_popescu wait. [00:18]
mircea_popescu ;;ident DreadKnight [00:18]
gribble Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is not identified. [00:18]
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mircea_popescu omg you still ain't done it! [00:18]
DreadKnight strange [00:18]
BingoBoingo !up GodHatesFigs [00:18]
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DreadKnight ;;eauth DreadKnight [00:18]
gribble Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035 [00:18]
mircea_popescu now decrypt it. [00:19]
jurov DreadKnight: if you're on linux or mac, just do the curl script i pasted [00:19]
DreadKnight oh [00:19]
BingoBoingo !up fats_cd03 [00:19]
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jurov it will ask your passphrase and spit out the decrypted message [00:19]
DreadKnight I might have got the passphrase wrong, tried a few times and didn't get a field anymore to write in [00:20]
fats_cd03 dongs [00:20]
jurov what did gpg write to console? [00:20]
mircea_popescu fats_cd03 http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/14/catieparker-justinejoli-31782/images/full/07.jpg [00:20]
jurov ^ that should have been interracial [00:21]
fats_cd03 on ma mobile and t-nazis has my traffic filtered [00:22]
fats_cd03 'for the children' [00:22]
BingoBoingo %ob [00:22]
atcbot 30k@240 42k@239 37k@238 | 138k@210 45k@201 400k@199 [00:23]
mircea_popescu jurov aww why. honky tonk galz can't lick each other out no mo ? [00:23]
mircea_popescu what's this bizarre hang-up with "actually knowing" people one met on skype and "kept in touch with" on facebook ? [00:23]
mircea_popescu it reads to me like alfred p. doolittle confronted with a restaurant after a lifetime of mcdonalds explaining how them hamburgers were at least nourishing. [00:24]
mircea_popescu why, he'd be shitting rocks after eating one of them! [00:24]
DreadKnight hmm brb [00:25]
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mircea_popescu pankkake: /r/buttcoin can't deal with bitcoin opinions that are not the standard /r/bitcoin crap; they expect to fill their bingo cards and it doesn't work << quite. [00:26]
mircea_popescu this is just about how one identifies libertards in the field. they do this paint-by-numbers thing like the soviets of yore. [00:26]
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GodHatesFigs at least r/buttcoin is mildy amusing [00:28]
mircea_popescu gets repetitive quickly, btu sure, for a few minutes [00:29]
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GodHatesFigs r/bitcoin - where economic illiteracy meets teenage investment plans [00:30]
GodHatesFigs let's all pester this merchant into accepting bitcoin! [00:31]
mircea_popescu re http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bh2sr/mtgox_creditor_meeting_handout/cj5e9ue << of course, mp said mtgox is syphoning customer funds, a while back. [00:31]
fluffypony GodHatesFigs: in parlance it's /r/ - if you drop the leading forward-slash it's hard to catch programatically [00:31]
assbot trixisowned comments on mtgox creditor meeting handout [00:31]
mircea_popescu !s "r/" [00:32]
assbot 1109 results for '"r/"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22r%2F%22 [00:32]
fluffypony !s "/r/" [00:32]
assbot 1109 results for '"/r/"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22%2Fr%2F%22 [00:32]
mircea_popescu fluffypony seems reasonably on-target no ? [00:32]
mircea_popescu GodHatesFigs you bring good points. [00:33]
fluffypony seems like you're including /r/ results :-P [00:33]
fluffypony !s " r/" [00:33]
assbot 1109 results for '" r/"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22+r%2F%22 [00:33]
* fluffypony gives up [00:33]
* mircea_popescu does victory dance [00:33]
mircea_popescu (protip : it's dropping the / token anyway) [00:33]
fluffypony werd [00:34]
mthreat !s reddit r [00:35]
assbot 52 results for 'reddit r' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reddit+r [00:35]
mircea_popescu trixisowned: when in reality they just added their address to the list of miners, and take a percentage of each block as if they were actually hashing << this is pretty major, actually. [00:36]
mircea_popescu proofs ? [00:36]
trixisowned mircea_popescu, thats the whole thing [00:36]
trixisowned he refuses [00:36]
trixisowned to release code [00:36]
trixisowned for CBBSRB [00:36]
trixisowned and has done so [00:36]
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trixisowned since the day he implemented [00:36]
mircea_popescu hm. [00:37]
trixisowned and he calls everyone a troll [00:37]
trixisowned that points that out [00:37]
trixisowned and says "I DONT EVEN HAVE ANY PART IN ELIGIUS ANYMORE" [00:37]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: he's punting Etherium? << he's new, and behind on teh reads. [00:37]
trixisowned lol. [00:37]
pankkake https://i.imgur.com/3Nk9eKC.png [00:37]
trixisowned which is a complete untruth [00:37]
fluffypony pankkake: you've been buying Magic the Gathering cards again? [00:38]
mircea_popescu pankkake lol win. [00:38]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that --- good point, need ETH BitBet, that's how we can all short the mofo << well obviously not all. [00:39]
mircea_popescu the problem here is that the past few days have kinda clearly shown the complete lack of any counterparty. you can't trade without cp. [00:39]
BingoBoingo Ah the few people who considered wanting the Ether didn't want it when they heard about the hangover when you come to [00:40]
mircea_popescu i got drunk on champagne, there's no hangover for that. [00:40]
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ThickAsThieves really champagne is worst hangover for me [00:42]
mircea_popescu http://zakireza.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/running-of-the-bulls-05.jpg << that's what the dreams of er people look like. [00:42]
ThickAsThieves i wont even drink a whole glass usually [00:42]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you're prolly thinking us fakefizzy. [00:42]
ThickAsThieves probly [00:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, we put away i dont recall, 2, 3 bottles ? [00:43]
mircea_popescu something [00:43]
BingoBoingo I've never had a problem with champagne, now "champagne" as in the generic bubbly stuff from places that shouldn't be attempting such a thing... [00:43]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves wait, you had the romanian stuff. ever drunk it or just gifted it away ? [00:43]
ThickAsThieves i think i told you but the bottle from Ro made it safely home and into my belly at some point [00:43]
mircea_popescu ah yes. so headache ? [00:43]
fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/aAZjQ4v.jpg [00:43]
ThickAsThieves i dont recall a hangover [00:44]
mircea_popescu right. point settled. [00:44]
jurov ThickAsThieves for quality hangovers look for "warning: contains sulphur" [00:44]
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ThickAsThieves like wine sulphites? [00:44]
jurov yes, whatever they use to treat it [00:44]
mircea_popescu yeah, bisulphites can be a good cause. all sorts of crap they put in wine, sparkling or not, can be it. [00:44]
mircea_popescu sugar especially, which is why you want to drink brut or very dry [00:45]
ThickAsThieves i prefer dry [00:45]
ThickAsThieves in all food really [00:45]
ThickAsThieves most [00:45]
ThickAsThieves hehe [00:45]
ThickAsThieves that coinbase cancellation is so wtf [00:45]
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ThickAsThieves i wonder if checking accounts get cancelled like that too [00:46]
mircea_popescu no, it's how the aml crap works. world's noobliest bayesian filtering implemented by janitors and congressional aides. [00:46]
pigeons coinbase cancellation? [00:46]
mircea_popescu iitl pi07r [00:46]
mircea_popescu oops i mean pigeons [00:46]
ThickAsThieves <+pankkake> https://i.imgur.com/3Nk9eKC.png [00:46]
fluffypony pigeons: you should click on more links [00:46]
mike_c the world wide web is a pile of undocumented bullshit. [00:47]
mircea_popescu yeah. here's one : http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/14/catieparker-justinejoli-31782/images/full/15.jpg [00:47]
pigeons not after that one from mircea_popescu yesterday [00:47]
mircea_popescu pigeons you're against social justice ? [00:47]
pigeons no i just dont want to look at it [00:47]
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mircea_popescu ahh win. [00:47]
mircea_popescu !up cyranodeB [00:47]
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pankkake I've had a fiat transactions cancelled for less - but that payment processor was trash for almost everything so [00:48]
BingoBoingo cyranodeB: How's the nose? [00:48]
pigeons coinbase cancellation as in mircea_popescu cancelled his DERP? or coinbase cancellation as in the same old thing where they cancel people's order cause coinbase [00:48]
cyranodeB hi everybody... [00:48]
cyranodeB thanks BingoBoingo.... how is showering? i can smell you from here! (smile) [00:48]
pigeons by the way, literally and seriously much btter and more useful than ethereum: http://www.dogeparty.io/ [00:49]
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assbot Dogeparty [00:49]
mircea_popescu wait... bb had a GIRLFRIEND ? [00:49]
mircea_popescu !up GodHatesFigs [00:49]
-assbot- You voiced GodHatesFigs for 30 minutes. [00:49]
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BingoBoingo cyranodeB: Well, I just got back from cutting some lawns so smelling pretty ripe [00:49]
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mircea_popescu BigBitz: Bitcoin markets don't revolve around news. <<< bitcoin is here to make the news, not to follow the news. [00:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> wait... bb had a GIRLFRIEND ? << I don't think I've had any that would be in Lithuania atm [00:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo but then again you drink, so how'd you know. [00:51]
BingoBoingo That I guess is a good question. [00:51]
cyranodeB sorry if i annoy anyone with a repeated question.. but does anybody have an idea why bitcoin is crashing??? [00:53]
BingoBoingo cyranodeB: China Drama [00:53]
BingoBoingo Happens from time to time [00:53]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [00:53]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 602.5, Best ask: 604.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 602.32, 24 hour volume: 10201.68824563, 24 hour low: 591.12, 24 hour high: 622.67, 24 hour vwap: 606.291211732 [00:53]
mircea_popescu what crashing is that lol. [00:54]
mircea_popescu pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her << only on the mother's side. [00:55]
cyranodeB china?? what happend in china??? [00:56]
cyranodeB ;;ticker --low [00:56]
gribble 591.12 [00:56]
BingoBoingo cyranodeB: Just the usual "Banned Bitcoin" again or some shit [00:57]
mircea_popescu pankkake: why would all scammers be dumb? << it's a self-selecting activity. smart people find better things to do. [00:58]
cyranodeB where do you have that information from BingoBoino? [00:59]
mircea_popescu pigeons: vitalik sells lots of snake oil besides etherum: emulated quantum computer that runs faster than its von neuman host; proof of stake; "trustless" distributed fiat (schellingcoin); << he's like andreas v2.0 then ? [00:59]
BingoBoingo cyranodeB: Just read someone derping about it a few hours ago. Don't care enough to look into it because this shit just happens. [01:00]
cyranodeB anyone else here who has an idea whats happening? [01:00]
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mircea_popescu pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post? << the 1% happens to be what matters in this field. [01:00]
mircea_popescu mkay i guess that's good enough [01:01]
mircea_popescu !down cyranodeB [01:01]
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mircea_popescu %d [01:04]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644367.37 in 1216 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.23 [01:04]
BingoBoingo lulz http://coinfire.cf/2014/07/24/massive-ddos-coin-fire-underway/ [01:04]
assbot Massive DDOS Against Coin Fire Underway - Coin Fire [01:04]
BingoBoingo %ob [01:04]
atcbot 30k@240 42k@239 37k@238 | 138k@210 45k@201 400k@199 [01:04]
mircea_popescu "A few nights ago an attacker sent a message via our contact form demanding we send .5 BTC to protect ourselves from a DDOS attack." [01:05]
mircea_popescu wait, this wouldn't be the same guy i was lulzing at last month ? [01:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724879 specifically [01:05]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [01:05]
mircea_popescu "The attack vector is using Facebook notes to flood our site using a known exploit on Facebook and we’ve reached out to friends at Facebook’s Cyber Security team who have determined the IP address of the original person hitting the attack vector and are working with law enforcement actively to track this user down." [01:06]
mircea_popescu so much lol in there. [01:07]
BingoBoingo No idea, but Facebook seems like an appalingly stupid sort of tool for this kind of derp [01:07]
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mircea_popescu the guy doesn't have enough sense to USE FUCKING LINKS because he's not yet caught up with the web, byt anyway, here is the stuff he should have provided : http://chr13.com/2014/04/20/using-facebook-notes-to-ddos-any-website/ [01:09]
assbot Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog [01:09]
mircea_popescu it's stupid-easy to protect from : a) ban facebook. b) don't allow ambiguous reference to expensive resources. [01:09]
dignork BingoBoingo: there was an article, about facebook aggresively crawling site which you post a link to, it can be used to ddos [01:09]
mircea_popescu dignork see above >D [01:10]
mircea_popescu it's emphatically not a ddos. it's a dos. [01:10]
dignork oh, write, don't read [01:10]
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mircea_popescu fuckwits on the internet tho, just use words like their mommy made them [01:10]
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mircea_popescu im surprised no one's made endometrium coin yet btw. [01:15]
mircea_popescu mike_c: i'm probably the only idiot in here, but in case there is one other: "3 indicates a "pay-to-script-hash" address that contains a hash (one way fingerprint) of a script that can be used for multiple things including address obfuscation and multi-signature requirements." << tl;dr : 3addresses are an unnecessary and crufty thing some idiots pretend they've added to bitcoin. [01:16]
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mircea_popescu Misconceptions (on the bitcoin.it wiki) : Addresses are not wallets nor accounts, and do not carry balances. They only receive funds, and you do not send "from" an address at any time. [01:21]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do you send bitcoin, pray tell, if not by signing with the private key associated with a public key that's an address that has a balance ? [01:21]
dignork pigeons, I looked at dogeparty, it's a fork of counterparty, minus double-spending protection provided by btc network [01:21]
mircea_popescu o look : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Address&action=historysubmit&diff=49101&oldid=46223 lukejr edited that page to a) replace the cannonical example with the bullshit 3thing, [01:22]
assbot Difference between revisions of "Address" - Bitcoin [01:22]
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DreadKnight bacon [01:23]
mircea_popescu took out the private key discussion entirely, [01:23]
HeySteve huzzah [01:23]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, ok, I think I managed [01:23]
mircea_popescu added the entire misconceptions thing... [01:23]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr why are you so scummy ? [01:23]
mircea_popescu ;;ident DreadKnight [01:23]
gribble Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is identified as user 'DreadKnight', with GPG key id F6A23D326FDF1035, key fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None [01:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 312 @ 0.0040532 = 1.2646 BTC [-] {5} [01:23]
mircea_popescu ;;rated Luke-Jr [01:23]
gribble You rated user Luke-Jr on Mon Apr 29 11:03:34 2013, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Most recently, lied about BFL delivery (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165500.0;all). Old history of being untrustworthy.. [01:23]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Luke-Jr -10 VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within [01:24]
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mircea_popescu DreadKnight indeed you have. [01:24]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, alright, what's next? [01:26]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight next is, well, tell me a little about what you're planning with this game, how's it going etc. [01:26]
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BingoBoingo %d [01:32]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644316.03 in 1213 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.24 [01:32]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [01:32]
gribble Current Blocks: 312318 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 27 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18652322160.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.59103 [01:32]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, Alright :-) making free open source game project, turn based strategy game playable from the browser; it's kinda like the reverse of Super Smash Bros Brawl, as it features a lot of original characters that will be featured in a lot of other games; the project is inspired by Heroes of Might and Magic 3's combat system, but improved, combined with Trading Card Games; it's fun, easy to get into, but it's hard to maste [01:33]
DreadKnight r, one of those ever green games basically; it leaves nothing up to chance and randomness, yet no two games will be the same; it can be played 1vs1 or 2vs2 on pretty much any device with pretty much any input method; so want to make "the chess of the future", a way for people to battle for fun or digital currency, very accessible, playable even without account or paying anything; I'm a bit stuck on the coding part atm, the current [01:33]
DreadKnight prototype was funded thanks to a few bitcoins I sold at a decent enough time so that I could afford paying a part time coder for a few months, but now I'm broke and I'm not a very good coder; so I could use some support to get things going [01:33]
mircea_popescu it leaves nothing up to chance and randomnes << this is a problem. [01:33]
DreadKnight in chess you don't have randomness; the random part is that unlike chess, you pick your units (tools) as you go by, so from hundreds of units, you'll only put like 5 or so into play in a match [01:34]
DreadKnight so you'll always want to counter your enemy units with ones that you think are best for the job [01:35]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight if there's no randomness involved people won't be likely to play for btc. [01:35]
mircea_popescu there's a reason poker championships give out multi milion prizes [01:35]
mircea_popescu while chess championships give away 500 bux [01:35]
DreadKnight in chess you get basically an infinite of possibilities, no two games are the same; and Ancient Beast is way more complex than chess, but looks less boring [01:36]
mircea_popescu but the results are deterministic. [01:36]
DreadKnight I'm not looking to make yet another poker or dice game, there are plenty of btc online casinos [01:36]
mircea_popescu poker is not dice. stick to my example no ? [01:37]
BingoBoingo Yeah a game without randomness leads to high level play being dominated by dickstabbers, people who instead of playing in an enjoyable way will pull out their dick knives and stab their dick for an 0.01% advantage. [01:37]
DreadKnight I'm making something that's all about skill, not luck [01:37]
kakobrekla no random? get ready for botraep. [01:37]
mircea_popescu well that's nice, i guess. [01:37]
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DreadKnight even if you pick only the units with best stats, they can be countered, so there's no point in exploiting the game; your opponent will most likely be able to make the same units, so no point in that [01:38]
BingoBoingo !s blockchain chess [01:38]
assbot 3 results for 'blockchain chess' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=blockchain+chess [01:38]
mircea_popescu this log is fucking epic. guy that's got himself blacklisted by derping at me can't spell funding and is looking for $500. [01:39]
DreadKnight a lot of people play moba (dota/dota2/league of legends/heroes of newerth/etc), played moba for about years and pretty much avoided all the issues that type of game has when it comes to Ancient Beast itself [01:39]
mircea_popescu the sad irony of all this being that we've been actually looking for a competent sysadmin to run stuff for years. [01:40]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight looky here : in business, one's always selling something. games are business. as such, they can either sell content or risk. [01:40]
mircea_popescu to make money selling content you need huge economies of scale, because content is so expensive to make. [01:40]
mircea_popescu this is why wow was a gold mine and rift spent 10mn for ~3mn in returns [01:41]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, even if it's free open source, there are business strategies to it [01:41]
mircea_popescu rift is a very nice game, too, but that dun matter. [01:41]
mircea_popescu so now, you'll have to sell risk whether you want to or not. learn to live with it. [01:41]
DreadKnight I agree, that's planned [01:41]
mircea_popescu you just said it wasn't above [01:41]
DreadKnight I talked about the vanilla game [01:41]
DreadKnight which everybody has access to, but which won't be have a ladder / prized / money involved at all [01:42]
DreadKnight prizes* [01:42]
mircea_popescu go on ? [01:42]
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Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: troll [01:42]
kakobrekla Luke-Jr child rapist. [01:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 526 @ 0.00283717 = 1.4924 BTC [-] {4} [01:42]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: liar [01:43]
kakobrekla Luke-Jr banana [01:43]
Luke-Jr [22:23:06] took out the private key discussion entirely, <-- because it has nothing to do with addresses [01:43]
Luke-Jr [22:23:26] added the entire misconceptions thing… <-- because it is needed [01:44]
mircea_popescu private keys have nothing to do with the public keys they're paired with ? [01:44]
Luke-Jr addresses aren't public keys [01:44]
mircea_popescu in what sense. [01:45]
mircea_popescu can i calculate the bitcoin address that'd correspond to any arbitrary private address i choose ? [01:45]
Luke-Jr *version 1 addresses* are *implemented* using ECDSA keypairs inside wallets; but that's a technical detail, and there is a separate page for technical details [01:45]
Luke-Jr the Address page is intended to be for end-users [01:46]
mircea_popescu eh spare me the derpage. you and the rest of the usg plants are trying to push forward a certain political aggenda. [01:46]
Luke-Jr USG? [01:46]
mircea_popescu it won't work if i have to kill you all, and i won't have to kil you all. [01:46]
BingoBoingo !b 6 [01:46]
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mircea_popescu you're not being accused. you've just been convicted. that's all. [01:47]
Luke-Jr!*@* added to ignore list. [01:47]
DreadKnight there will be a mode for subscribers that will have a monthly ladder, top players receiving prizes; each match and victory will be logged; in this mode, your units will die and you'll have to purchase card packs with random units inside, so you won't have access to every single unit in the game unless you pay, also each victory will take a toll, as you'll have casualties most likely; you'll also be able to feed your units to impro [01:48]
DreadKnight ve certain stats for limited amounts of time, food will be rather cheap, but it can make the difference between life and death, victory and loss; besides, there will be tournaments, playing for digital currency (where a % will be taken as fee); each month the ladder will start fresh, winners from previous month being added to a hall of fame; there will also be merchandise in the shop (tshirts, miniatures, plushies, and so on), mos [01:48]
DreadKnight t of the Ancient Beast units will become popular thanks to their license / attribution and usage, so it's all like a virus, to spread as much as possible [01:48]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight ok, now you're talking [01:49]
mircea_popescu so what's your role in all this ? you draw the artwork ? you code the game ? [01:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 798 @ 0.00280034 = 2.2347 BTC [-] {8} [01:50]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, I'm a jack of all trades, designed the project, I manage the thing, make abilities, made the website, look for contributors, code, sketch, test it with fans, whatever it needs to be done; I'm working with quite a bit of people, constantly looking for fresh blood, that's the beauty of being open source [01:50]
mircea_popescu so like a pm basically, mostly covering for game design [01:51]
DreadKnight I'm proficient with organic low poly modeling though, but that will be noticeable a bit later, when animations will get in the game, sample www.AncientBeast.com/viewer [01:51]
DreadKnight getting weekly emails from people to allow them to use artwork / assets in their games and I'm pretty much underground atm [01:52]
mircea_popescu ok, so what do you need from your publisher ? [01:53]
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DreadKnight I don't really need a publisher, need a bit of funding / sponsorship to speed things up and get some help with coding [01:53]
mircea_popescu that seems self-contradictory. [01:54]
DreadKnight indie game devs don't usually go for publishers; they rather make crowd funding campaigns to avoid strings attached [01:54]
DreadKnight will get to that as well soon [01:55]
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asciilifeform somebody's playing blockchain chess now? [01:55]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight mkay, i guess if that's how you swing. [01:55]
asciilifeform am i doomed to see every gedankenexperiment brought into flesh ? [01:55]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, back in the day the only method were printing cd's and selling them in shops, so yeah, publisher was needed; now it's internet era, digital downloads, websites, app stores [01:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. this is the point of flesh, to make thoughts painful. [01:56]
asciilifeform lol [01:56]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight im not sure you take my meaning. [01:56]
asciilifeform 'we shall learn to get by with a minimum of thinking - because thinking is painful.' - a maths prof of mine [01:57]
mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard: kakobrekla: so everyone should pay off their mortgage / student loans / credit cards / car loans before buying bitcoins? Seems a little extreme and just poor balance sheet management imho <<< i can see it. bitcoin is still not for the poor. [01:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00081672 = 16.6611 BTC [+] {2} [01:58]
asciilifeform which currency, if any, is 'for' the poor ? [01:58]
mircea_popescu labor. [01:58]
mod6 tide [01:58]
asciilifeform or is this more of an 'air is not for the drowning' observation. [01:58]
mircea_popescu the two are amusingly related : work -> schweddyballs -> tide. [01:59]
asciilifeform ;;ud schweddyballs [01:59]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Schweddy+Balls | The most infamous Delicious Dish episode featured Alec Baldwin as the chef Pete Schweddy, who came to the show to showcase his "Schweddy Balls," an... [01:59]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, the game is playable from the website, SaaS business model (software as a service), so what was your meaning? [01:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just an alternate spelling of sweaty balls, that also happens to be an edible product. [01:59]
asciilifeform aha [01:59]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then [02:00]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight you're thinking publisher in the sense of the world of atari, making hardware cartridges. [02:00]
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BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/07/newly-diagnosed-one-handed-man-totally-worth-it/ [02:00]
assbot Newly Diagnosed One-Handed Man: Totally Worth it | Medical Satire - GomerBlog [02:00]
mircea_popescu lol is he trolling me ?! [02:00]
asciilifeform http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/06/patient-literally-sweats-his-balls-off [02:01]
assbot Patient Literally Sweats His Balls Off | Medical Satire - GomerBlog [02:01]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight im thinking more in the sense of the larger entity you get backstopped against. [02:01]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, there are several ways of spreading a webgame as well, "web publishers" like facebook, fgl.com, gamejolt.com and many more - the game is easy to embed anywhere actually [02:01]
mircea_popescu i suppose i should say "sponsor" in your terminology. [02:02]
DreadKnight :-) [02:02]
DreadKnight or even investors, as long as the strings aren't forever [02:02]
BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/07/firework/ [02:03]
assbot Local ER Refuses to Take Care of Firework Injuries this July 4th | Medical Satire - GomerBlog [02:03]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight why not ? [02:03]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, wondering, I'm from Constanta, what about you? (most likely Bucharest) [02:04]
BingoBoingo “We need Darwinism to sneak back into our society. We [medical community] have propped up too many people that shouldn’t be alive today which has allowed the creation of ‘super idiots’ that the world has never seen before. Seriously, has anybody seen the movie Idiocracy..we are starting to live it.” [02:04]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight i lived for a while in timisoara, cluj before that. [02:04]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema learn that variety speak [02:04]
gribble You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog ...: ; #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Pro idiotas, which obviously means, people who have ... - Trilema: [02:04]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight there, first url, that's my blog. [02:04]
mircea_popescu (unlike the other two lel) [02:04]
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BingoBoingo !mpif [02:09]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021699 B (Total: 474.50 B). Delta: -0.78 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+] [02:09]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, got a bit caught up reading that blog post, though it's related to current situation a bit, about using the proper terms :D [02:13]
mircea_popescu :p [02:13]
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mircea_popescu AndrewJackson best part string ever dood. [02:14]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, you're not in Romania anymore? A bit confused [02:16]
mircea_popescu im in buenos aires. [02:16]
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DreadKnight oh [02:16]
DreadKnight A lot of people leave this country, including my best friends... [02:17]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, so the assets part is kinda like in stock market, not "art assets"? [02:28]
mircea_popescu not kinda. this is the core of bitcoin. [02:28]
DreadKnight just making sure, was really confused at first, because we were talking art assets in the project channel [02:28]
mircea_popescu ah [02:29]
DreadKnight well, current prototype so far was funded with bitcoins, hopefully it will continue that way [02:29]
mircea_popescu funded, how ? like donations ? [02:30]
DreadKnight yeah, donations, it wasn't worth much but I held on to those coins and sold when it started to get fatty [02:30]
DreadKnight I use every single dollar efficiently and know to bargain [02:31]
mircea_popescu mkay. well, can you turn all this into a business plan ? [02:31]
DreadKnight there was no point to it if there was no business plan [02:32]
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DreadKnight as in, I can't spend tremendous amounts of time working on it along with other people if it wouldn't sustain itself, not to mention me eventually [02:33]
mircea_popescu shoot. [02:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17167 @ 0.0008156 = 14.0014 BTC [-] {2} [02:34]
DreadKnight quite a few seen "Video Games the movie" and asked "what about open source?", well, open source game dev is not even on the map for proper reasons, but I want to show it's possible [02:34]
mircea_popescu huh ? [02:36]
DreadKnight like I said for the business model, subscription granting access to more game modes, digital merchandise (card packs / lifes , food / boosters, skins), physical merchandise and fees from betting currency (as spectator or player) [02:37]
DreadKnight referred to this movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3214002/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 [02:37]
assbot Video Games: The Movie (2014) - IMDb [02:37]
ThickAsThieves !s Video Games The Movie [02:38]
assbot 0 results for 'Video Games The Movie' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Video+Games+The+Movie [02:38]
ThickAsThieves it's been discussed i think [02:38]
HeySteve I saw that, needed more PC master race [02:38]
HeySteve the intro with Queen song was pretty rad tho [02:39]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight ok, let me put it this way : so far you're making it impossible to be helped. now, lots of people circle this chan in the hopes of getting some support, you're way ahead of them through a combination of good luck and good luck. [02:39]
mircea_popescu so wanna use it or not ? [02:39]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, I guess you have some terms, the poker / randomness stuff? [02:42]
mircea_popescu i have some hard in-principle things that can disqualify a proposition, but they're pretty sparse. [02:42]
mircea_popescu field is new, so we don't know a whole lot about what fundamentally doesn't work just yet. [02:43]
mircea_popescu but yes, a deterministic web game for btc is a non starter. [02:43]
mircea_popescu this isn't the case here tho, from what i gather. [02:43]
DreadKnight it can easily be fixed, have lots of game modes in mind; basically you can just assign random limited unit pools to each player [02:44]
DreadKnight if you really want to have the random element in that is [02:44]
mircea_popescu the "buy random pakcs ofo cards" thing is enough. [02:44]
mircea_popescu it really doesn't take much. [02:44]
DreadKnight initially wanted to allow buying individual units, but did a bit game design research and seems this is more fun and profitable and balanced, people won't buy only over powered units and some want to collect them all, so they might have to buy and buy until they're satisfied or out of funds [02:45]
ThickAsThieves make sure you let me buy custom hats too [02:45]
DreadKnight eventually there will be custom skins and such; seems a lot of people care about vanity items in dota2 rather than carry about increasing their gameplay skills [02:46]
HeySteve people love their in-game bling / customisation stuff [02:46]
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DreadKnight will definitely want the main character fully customizable [02:47]
ThickAsThieves HeySteve i thought it was retarded at first, turns out its way less retarded than raiding for 80 hours to make your hero look dope [02:47]
HeySteve just like real life, most people think appearance > substance [02:47]
HeySteve ThickAsThieves I guess so yeah, but I don't like the pay to win kind of thing at all [02:48]
DreadKnight was checking reviews for a tablet a few months ago and the tablet was pink, most reviews were like "and it's awesome that it's pink, my daughter will love it", mom also got a pink phone *sigh* [02:48]
ThickAsThieves right, dota 2 is doing it all right [02:48]
HeySteve but for cosmetic stuff, it works well [02:48]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this is the benefit of aging. you start to realise your time is worth more than money. [02:49]
ThickAsThieves pump out new characters, new costumes for the old ones, and never update the actual game much [02:49]
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ThickAsThieves even there they still work at it [02:49]
DreadKnight HeySteve, I agree; I'm keeping pay to win totally away from free to play; hated that I played Ancient Summoner (now called Rise of Mythos) and I was pawning most players, but everytime I was fighting a noob that put a few bucks in the game, I was getting humiliated, I eventually quit playing because of that [02:50]
ThickAsThieves dota is just missing a hangout area [02:50]
DreadKnight ThickAsThieves, it has chat rooms, you can make new ones hmm [02:51]
DreadKnight it pretty much has IRC embedded inside [02:51]
ThickAsThieves i didnt know [02:52]
ThickAsThieves never looked i guess [02:52]
ThickAsThieves seems it should be in one of the main pages [02:52]
DreadKnight anyway, Ancient Beast has lots of advantages over moba (dota2) [02:52]
DreadKnight ThickAsThieves, the chat is right side in the main menu [02:53]
DreadKnight every country has a few rooms, lots of trading or random channels [02:53]
DreadKnight a lot of item trading spam or swearing / flaming :D [02:53]
DreadKnight I'm really starting to hate having to team up with random people in online multiplayer games, nothing good comes out of it usually [02:54]
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ThickAsThieves it is the worst part of dota [02:58]
ThickAsThieves getting fuknuts on your team [02:58]
cazalla lol is the same [02:59]
DreadKnight one feeds, another one gets support and doesnt buy a ward / curier, one is afk, one disconnects, one thinks he's carry with the support, one has tank but he's always last in team fight, another one has initiator but he doesn't initiate crap and so on [02:59]
mircea_popescu kinda what guilds are invented for no ? [03:00]
mircea_popescu or slavegirls i guess [03:00]
nubbins` sounds fun [03:00]
DreadKnight 5vs5 sucks; you can't play with anyone on the globe because of latency, you can't play with friends because they're noobs for sure, it's harder than having a band and you are stuck in a chair all day without making any money [03:00]
nubbins` harder than having a band [03:01]
nubbins` lel [03:01]
DreadKnight sometimes the matches are over before they even begin, all picking a carry instead of getting proper roles, or randoming and getting heroes they know what to do with [03:01]
mircea_popescu what's a carry ? [03:01]
DreadKnight or simply bad combinations, 4 melee plus yet another melee called void [03:02]
nubbins` ;;google hey steve i think your singing was a little flat that time [03:02]
gribble the Dollhouse - Steve, I think your singing was a little flat - YouTube: ; Lagwagon- Leave The Light On 03. - YouTube: ; Welcome To The Dollhouse Script - Drew's Script-O-Rama: [03:02]
nubbins` ^ first link [03:02]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, carry is the "Rambo" of the game, the one dealing damage but very item Dependant and squishy [03:02]
HeySteve ha funnily enough, I do sing kinda flat. tried a few bands but never became a rockstar [03:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` lol who's that obnoxious mcdonalds manger [03:03]
nubbins` heheh [03:03]
nubbins` strange movie, worth watching [03:03]
DreadKnight so everyone wants the kills, but you can't have 5 carries in a team, no doubt, because there's not enough farm / gold, mircea_popescu [03:03]
nubbins` HeySteve :0 [03:03]
DreadKnight and there's the team mate that always does nothing but steals your kills on purpose, just because, him being support and you being a carry [03:03]
HeySteve nubbins, this looks like napoleon dynamite kinda movie [03:04]
DreadKnight most shitty game designed every, yet it's an esport [03:04]
nubbins` awkward kids in middle america [03:04]
DreadKnight ever* [03:04]
nubbins` about the same, yeah, just filmed in the 80s instead of pretending it was ;D [03:04]
cazalla does dota have ranked/unranked matches like lol? [03:04]
HeySteve looks funny, nubbins? [03:05]
nubbins` girl's name is Dawn Weiner, classic tragedy [03:05]
DreadKnight cazalla, yes [03:05]
nubbins` HeySteveyeah [03:05]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight o i think i tried something like this at one time, ragnarsomething [03:05]
DreadKnight nubbins`, thanks for recommendation, looks fun [03:06]
nubbins` np [03:06]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, maybe Ragnarok Online? not sure if it's a moba [03:06]
nubbins` lel. customer wants "keep calm logo, like on the chive shirts" [03:06]
nubbins` so i create "keep calm and on", complete with royal crown [03:07]
DreadKnight and there's the situation where a noob from your team auto attacks instead of last hitting only or last hitting your creeps away from you when you're carry and he's support *sigh* [03:07]
mircea_popescu Heroes of Newerth it was. [03:07]
nubbins` guy says "i didn't think it had a crown on the top" [03:07]
nubbins` facedesk [03:07]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, yeah, played that one as well, I was a moba junkie, it was part of the experience and motivation when designing Ancient Beast [03:07]
nubbins` guys, this game you're talking about sounds v complicated and nothing at all like mario kart 8 [03:07]
DreadKnight true [03:08]
cazalla mk8 handles latency really well from what i've played of it online [03:08]
DreadKnight showed a teenage girl Angry Birds, she was like "please uninstall", showed her Super Tux Kart, "woah, this is fun!" [03:08]
nubbins` cazalla +1 [03:08]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight methinks you're showing teenage girls the wrong things. [03:09]
nubbins` they do hide rankings for a few seconds before you cross the finish line, just in case [03:09]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, she had the cd with Angry Birds, I hate that game [03:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu "please uninstall" ;( [03:09]
cazalla nubbins`, i've only been given a lower ranking than i expected a few times with that [03:09]
nubbins` cazalla it's pretty much only for the closest of calls [03:10]
nubbins` online mode is where true skill is acquired [03:10]
nubbins` i've only started recently, got my cups first [03:10]
cazalla yeah, i just passed 6000 [03:10]
nubbins` i just broke 2000, but still gaining ground [03:10]
DreadKnight MMR system is fun when you don't have to rely on team mates [03:11]
nubbins` https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/492347634682576896 [03:11]
mircea_popescu !s alienware [03:12]
assbot 6 results for 'alienware' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=alienware [03:12]
BingoBoingo Only recent dell hardware I've been impressed with were those Latitude netbooks they made for a while [03:13]
cazalla mircea_popescu, these twistys links never work for me, prob not a big deal seeing it's been all nigger dick images past few days [03:13]
DreadKnight haha [03:13]
mircea_popescu cazalla no you're missing out. [03:13]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [03:13]
mircea_popescu hot lezzie sexes. [03:13]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, did some friend recommended Heroes of Newerth? how long did you played it? why quit? [03:15]
mircea_popescu so today alone 143 different .ru domains supposedly sent people to trilema. [03:15]
mircea_popescu "traffic" is becoming less and less meaningful [03:15]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight i play lots of things to try them out. i quit because i can't stand the model. too much like [lowly paid] work. [03:16]
DreadKnight there's something going on with Russia lately, because number one source of visitors for my project all of a sudden; dota2 servers are filled with russians, they're very hated [03:16]
mircea_popescu if i wanted to spend my time doing that sort of shit i [03:16]
mircea_popescu 'd prolly take a 3rd world programmer job. [03:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: deterministic web game for btc is a non starter << this deserves an explanation [03:17]
DreadKnight a lot of people don't really like Heroes of Newerth's artwork, too detailed, yet your character is small [03:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the explanation is i nthe log, which part didn;'t make sense ? [03:18]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight i don't like the "learn this succession of small movements" part. [03:18]
DreadKnight asciilifeform, I think he was afraid of players doing the same things over and over again, or picking only the best units [03:18]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, every played battletoads? xD [03:19]
DreadKnight ever* [03:19]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight no. consider the supermodel of all player strategy games, btc.waroflife.com/ [03:19]
* asciilifeform reads [03:19]
mircea_popescu if the final state of the game flows deterministically from the state at any point, there's nothing for a human to do. [03:20]
DreadKnight true [03:20]
DreadKnight moba is too much about lane pushing and farming [03:20]
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DreadKnight and roles like jungler or support are usually super boring [03:21]
DreadKnight but support is pretty mandatory, which is not cool [03:21]
mircea_popescu battletoads << no, never have. [03:21]
DreadKnight roger [03:22]
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danielpbarron DreadKnight, i play dota [03:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 491 @ 0.0019999 = 0.982 BTC [+] [03:37]
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DreadKnight danielpbarron, first or second one? [03:40]
BingoBoingo Maybe aspects of ohio aren't so bad http://deadspin.com/hazing-investigation-ohio-state-band-members-are-horny-1610311478 [03:41]
assbot Hazing Investigation: Ohio State Band Members Are Horny And Depraved [03:41]
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BingoBoingo Lulzmining https://vertcoin.org/pow-algorithm-upgrade-lyra2/ [03:55]
assbot Vertcoin – Bitcoin Upgraded » PoW Algorithm Upgrade : Lyra2 [03:55]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/#c3560 now you';ve done it. [03:55]
assbot BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 4 weeks 55 minutes ago [03:55]
asciilifeform 'comes as a preemptive strike against ASICs' << this shit never gets old, does it [03:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how could it ? [03:56]
BingoBoingo http://www.theonion.com/articles/elderly-man-cant-wait-for-senility-to-erase-lifeti,36419/ [03:56]
assbot Elderly Man Cant Wait For Senility To Erase Lifetime Of Regretful Memories | The Onion - America's Finest News Source [03:56]
mircea_popescu "Vertcoin has always been and will continue to be the leader in decentralization of cryptocurrency." [03:57]
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kakobrekla :( [03:57]
BingoBoingo Hard to decentralize mining when few people want to work the turd mines [03:57]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because actual solution (whether problem ought to be solved is a matter of concern to - other people...) was posted. free for the taking - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590930 - but anyone lifted it? nope [03:58]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform let's laugh together. on one hand it's you saying that, one minute under some derp going in the bitbet comments section to say that since ThickAsThieves posted something here about a topic of interest, and magicaltux also hung out on irc, it follows that bitbet is bad. [03:59]
mircea_popescu now... what part of "the people are more stupid than can be put into words" needs putting into words ? [04:00]
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asciilifeform socrates, a man. men sometimes eat shit. socrates eats shit. [04:00]
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asciilifeform bulletproof logic [04:00]
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mircea_popescu the shit can never get old. "here's what i want, here's what's to be done, here's me not doing it". how would this ever get old. [04:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: imho it's a far worse thing when they - do - it. [04:04]
mircea_popescu well they don't do it. they do something that's "just as good". [04:04]
mircea_popescu according to X. [04:04]
mircea_popescu but anyway, forget the bitter me. let's refine your automata idea a little. [04:05]
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asciilifeform gedankenexperiment. idea was, automata - and difficulty determined by size of playing field. preferably exponential growth. [04:06]
mircea_popescu suppose pow is, "find a 1mbit value which xored with your block results in a wol-like table which playing for 32 generations results in a table identical to the table of the block as is" [04:06]
asciilifeform more or less, this. [04:07]
mircea_popescu would you say this is an acceptable implementation ? [04:07]
asciilifeform aye [04:07]
mircea_popescu now, imbit = 128kb, which should be enough for the blocks originally. [04:07]
mircea_popescu suppose you double this every 200k blocks, much like how bitcoin halves reward. [04:07]
mircea_popescu except you don't have reward, you just increase 4fold the size of the field. [04:08]
mircea_popescu and implicitly the size of the block. [04:08]
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asciilifeform actually you can weasel out of inflating block size, by using a hash of your favourite flavour to populate the field. [04:08]
mircea_popescu and of course the 32 can be adjusted as "difficulty" [04:09]
mircea_popescu ie, make it 4576957698475 generations if need be [04:09]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dont wanna weasel out of inflating block size i dont think [04:09]
mircea_popescu i actually kinda want this built, if there's any hardcore c programmer looking for a major project. [04:09]
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mircea_popescu this still needs better chaining than what bitcoin's doing. [04:11]
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asciilifeform the folks looking to somehow 'vanish' the asic thing will be disappointed, though. [04:11]
mircea_popescu obviously anything that can be made can be made in silicon [04:12]
asciilifeform but the concept outlined here would provide something close to the theoretical maximum of annoyance to mining asic builders. [04:12]
asciilifeform the question of whether this needs doing, i'll leave to the folks who give a damn. [04:12]
mircea_popescu in particular because of the block increase [04:12]
mircea_popescu ie, either you make waseful asics or else you keep changing them every 200k blocks [04:13]
asciilifeform 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down. that's not my department, said wehrner von braun.' [04:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what would you wish to see improved in chaining? [04:14]
mircea_popescu a way to make retaining blocks spurious. [04:14]
BingoBoingo Moar biodiesel http://thebiohazardblog.com/2014/07/23/ten-things-i-learned-from-the-dogecoin-community/ [04:14]
assbot Ten Things I Learned from the Dogecoin Community | The Biohazard [04:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: make retaining blocks spurious << i thought this was solved, at least in principle, with 'checkpointing' [04:15]
mircea_popescu checkpointing is evil tho. [04:15]
mircea_popescu one of the most important vulnerabilities extant in bitcoin as is. [04:16]
asciilifeform every so often, a 'year zero', and the chain is replaced with a hash of its state. anyone who wants the history, goes to an archive. [04:16]
mircea_popescu honestly i don't think i actualy understand what i want re chaining [04:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: either we keep every pissant transaction around, or we snip. tertium non datur, as i understand. [04:17]
mircea_popescu but why. [04:17]
DreadKnight asciilifeform, year zero will cut off confirmation for new transactions, but I would want for the downloaded stuff to not be 10gb; there are wallets that skip that stuff nowadays, though not recommended in certain cases [04:19]
asciilifeform incidentally, the 'we want an0nym1ty!!1' folks could be satisfied - use paillier's arithmetic to represent balances. so you need private key to know the state of an address. [04:19]
mircea_popescu that is a good part yes. [04:19]
asciilifeform again, why to do this, remains a mystery to me. but people seem to really want it, and could in principle do it this way. [04:20]
mircea_popescu yes indeed, there's at least two items for the bitcoin v2.0 : the wol pow detailed above and the p-airthm balance [04:20]
asciilifeform another, perhaps obvious temptation is to bake in the wot. [04:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's a bad idea. baking in gpg however would be splendid. [04:21]
asciilifeform again, as a certified armchair general, i've no idea whether this is actually necessary. [04:21]
mircea_popescu suppose that anyone can generate txn using gpg, much like mpex works. [04:21]
mircea_popescu as long as your address is known, you're g2g. [04:21]
mircea_popescu sort-of where i was seeing the "b-a public registrar" project that nobody wants to do going, in step 2. [04:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you're willing to ditch ecdsa and use traditional rsa, and eat the cost of longer keys, this is trivial. [04:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform one can use w/e key he wants. [04:22]
mircea_popescu modularity is teh win [04:22]
mircea_popescu anyway the hash daisychanin satoshi used was moar like a joke than srs. [04:22]
mircea_popescu also, need much better hidding of the traffix it generates. [04:24]
mircea_popescu in principle one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network. [04:24]
* asciilifeform reminds listeners that he's a rather busy fellow and that they also have hands, and can do all of the above. [04:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, gonna have some cake, bbl. [04:25]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [04:27]
gribble Current Blocks: 312339 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 140 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18666668357.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.67378 [04:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network << in that traffic should resemble a traditional bitcoin node? or simply point to point encryption? [04:28]
asciilifeform because in the latter case, two nodes must know something about one another, or mitm is trivial. [04:29]
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DreadKnight this IRC channel works so much better than Bitcoin Business Alliance's skype group [04:32]
BingoBoingo DreadKnight: Amazing how often older technologies work better than "advances" that would pretent to replace them isn't it [04:33]
DreadKnight well, skype is just designed with something else in mind, that's for sure :D [04:33]
DreadKnight but thanks to the BBA group, I log into skype once a month tops, very annoying [04:34]
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BingoBoingo Well, the downside of skype is it forces you to interact with it through the interface it chooses, among other flaws. IRC though... You can pick a client and if it ends up being shit simply switch [04:36]
DreadKnight yeah, very true, screw closed protocols [04:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe ? [04:43]
mircea_popescu nfi. [04:43]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight there's a reason pros use particular tools rather than any other tools. [04:44]
mircea_popescu i think naggum was it had a rant on the topic. [04:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform had a rant or several as well [04:45]
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decimation another theory of mh17 occured to me the other day: while it seems to be detrimental to the rebel's cause, in the bigger calcuation it might actually help them quite a bit [04:52]
decimation every human on earth now knows that russia is ready and willing to shoot anything down in that area [04:53]
mircea_popescu no rebel ever lost anything through causing trouble. [04:53]
decimation which euro nation wants to be the first one to try to start a "no-fly" zone ala iraq? [04:53]
mircea_popescu it seems improbable russia shot down the thing. [04:54]
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cazalla DreadKnight, most of your complaints regarding mobas are tied to low tier, bronze league superstars, you don't see it in higher brackets which is why it's an esport and a good one at that [04:54]
decimation I think it is unlikely that it was explictly ordered, but I read another news story that the 'rebels' shot down some more ukranian fighter jets [04:54]
BingoBoingo it seems improbable russia shot down the thing. << I'm waiting for the investigation to reveal a la TWA 800 that the plane was doomed when it took off [04:55]
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decimation weak-knee western military policy 101: start a no-fly zone [04:55]
mircea_popescu decimation that's not happening. [04:56]
BingoBoingo But in spite of the criticisms the Su-25 ground attack plane shooting it down is probably more feasible than it gets credit for. [04:56]
decimation right, because every last voter realizes exactly the kind of risk that would entail [04:56]
decimation a no-fly zone would start a major air battle [04:56]
mircea_popescu no it wouldn't. [04:56]
mircea_popescu a no fly zone would allow the russian airforce to showcase it's unmatched superiority by making short work of everything else. [04:57]
mircea_popescu if it were 1980s the republicans would have been all in favour, because nothing's better for public contracts than a humiliating, public defeat. [04:58]
decimation well, in any case russia isn't going to stand for foriegn aircraft patroling its border, and the world knows it will "arm its proxies" or whatever to make it happen [04:58]
mircea_popescu the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes" [04:58]
DreadKnight cazalla, yeah, but to get high mmr, you have to play with non retards, very wise hand picked people, takes time; and you need to either sync in time tables or to have a lot of such people at your disposal, it's a chore to have a proper team [04:58]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes" >> Not to mention the US is the the business now of buying worse planes [04:59]
mircea_popescu btw, anyone knows the famous case of gerald ratner ? [05:00]
decimation heh I just read about it on wikipedia [05:01]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [05:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 601.16, Best ask: 603.08, Bid-ask spread: 1.92000, Last trade: 603.08, 24 hour volume: 10370.38719655, 24 hour low: 591.12, 24 hour high: 621.9, 24 hour vwap: 604.966260607 [05:01]
cazalla DreadKnight, so message the good players you pug with and put something together [05:01]
decimation are you comparing him to this situation? [05:01]
DreadKnight cazalla, it's not as easy as it sounds [05:01]
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mircea_popescu decimation in no sense. [05:02]
mircea_popescu merely a random thought [05:02]
DreadKnight cazalla, takes a few years to have a proper list of players, that's if you really care about it, remove noobs constantly [05:02]
DreadKnight and even ignore real friendships [05:03]
cazalla worked for me in lol [05:03]
DreadKnight you also need synergy [05:03]
decimation when your business model is selling baubles to idiots, it's probably not wise to point out the idiocy of bauble-buying [05:03]
cazalla DreadKnight, maybe you're just a scrub player? no offense [05:03]
DreadKnight lol doesn't have denying, no scrolls, no curiers, simpler mechanics cazalla [05:04]
pigeons dignork: yes dogeparty is just counterparty on doge, but like i said, much more useful than ethereum [05:04]
mircea_popescu decimation the funny thing about the incident is that everyone happily ignored the "your business part" and took it as gospel. "the importance of brand over quality" [05:04]
DreadKnight cazalla, scrub player? haha [05:04]
cazalla DreadKnight, it does have the same idiots who kill steal, play wrong lane, afk etc etc [05:04]
dignork pigeons: hard to compare really, trash vs. garbage :) [05:05]
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cazalla so you message the good ones, start playing together, build synergy, you won't start with it from game 1 [05:05]
DreadKnight cazalla, it has less things to deal with, but yeah; I hate the account system, region limitation, runes and summoner spells needing levels, LoL requires purchase of champions, basically limits you to constantly play the same 2-3 champs most of the time [05:05]
decimation yeah for instance you could hang a sign above a gasoline station saying "Gasoline is dirty" and business would not change [05:06]
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mircea_popescu ;;google "hello suckers" [05:07]
gribble Hello Suckers!: Investing into Stocks: ; Texas Guinan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Hello, Suckers | The Weekly Standard: [05:07]
cazalla DreadKnight, it doesn't require purchase of champs at all unless you're adhd and won't stick to one role [05:07]
DreadKnight cazalla, lost a lot of games in LoL while beating the whole enemy team by myself; all mobas basically have the same issues, but LoL has a few more on top of that [05:07]
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danielpbarron DreadKnight, i used to play all-stars; now i play dota2 [05:08]
cazalla you're gonna lose games, even the top players only have 2:1 win/loss ratios [05:08]
DreadKnight it's rare that I win a game because of another team mate; I usually get really annoyed and tell people what are doing wrong, but not many listen [05:09]
DreadKnight forgot to mention noob team mates getting shadow blade in dota2 while there's already an invis carry in the team; or picking multiple invisible heroes *sigh* [05:10]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight you're prolly not gonna be happy or even willing to hear this, but it sounds like the problem is you. [05:10]
thestringpuller have we really gone from talking about world news to LoL in all of 20 minutes? [05:11]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, I'm not the problem, the game sets me up with weirdos most of the time and it's bad for my health; I don't always have semi decent team mates online to play with [05:11]
danielpbarron i have fun playing dota2; my brother plays, and a few of his friends [05:11]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller way it goes. [05:12]
DreadKnight it's fun as long as you got team or don't take it seriously / not play too often [05:12]
DreadKnight anyway, don't really care to debate mobas at this hour [05:12]
danielpbarron yeah; I don't play that often anymore [05:12]
cazalla DreadKnight, ragequit more [05:13]
DreadKnight cazalla, is that your solution? :)) [05:13]
cazalla no, not caring to debate at this hour = ragequit [05:13]
DreadKnight thought it was advice [05:14]
DreadKnight no, just that some people around are not into mobas and feel like we're boring or offtopic, I respect not playing moba [05:14]
BingoBoingo My favorite part of Eve online is that anyone not explicitly an ally is a potential adversary. [05:14]
danielpbarron ;; [05:15]
DreadKnight started watching that Welcome to the Dollhouse movie someone recommended around xD [05:15]
danielpbarron ;;rate DreadKnight 1 plays dota2. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#768204 [05:15]
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DreadKnight might end up writing a moba do's and don'ts guide [05:17]
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decimation "brand over quality" is also an artifact of the dillution of fiat ownership [05:21]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight got a blog ? [05:21]
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decimation "Consumer price indexes show negligible price changes in non-normalized accounting, not only because they are fudged and rigged, but because prices are set by dollars competing for goods. Because American spenders have fewer and fewer normalized dollars to spend every year, normalized consumer prices are also dropping. " - Mr. moldbug [05:22]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, used to, but got popular faster then I expected and hacked a few times without backup; might get back into writing soon, without using wordpress this time [05:22]
mircea_popescu wordpress is fine, i've used it for > 5 years without issue. [05:23]
BingoBoingo DreadKnight: Wordpress is fine if used with caution appropriate for an application of its kind. [05:24]
DreadKnight made my own little blog system, no users accounts or databases, using files instead, will put it to good use soon, mircea_popescu [05:25]
mircea_popescu or that. [05:25]
decimation statelessness has a quality all its own [05:25]
DreadKnight well, didn't knew much about security back then, wasn't protecting the log-in page too well against common stuff [05:25]
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mircea_popescu well then. bruteforced shit pws aren't a hack. [05:27]
mircea_popescu !up lordbunson [05:27]
-assbot- You voiced lordbunson for 30 minutes. [05:27]
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mircea_popescu DreadKnight also see http://trilema.com/2012/romanian-dicelist/ [05:28]
assbot Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:28]
DreadKnight true, but it would have been nice if wp had a timer to avoid that kind of abuse, mircea_popescu [05:28]
DreadKnight average user hears a lot of WP, but doesn't know about bruteforce and strong passwords [05:29]
DreadKnight got my own algorithm for strong passwords that are unique and that I can actually remember and type for a while now [05:30]
DreadKnight but parents don't want to share the ideology xD [05:30]
mircea_popescu homebrew crypto is often dangerous. [05:30]
DreadKnight I mean make use of it* [05:31]
DreadKnight nothing sucks more than typing a strong password on a touch screen device. [05:31]
BingoBoingo but parents don't want to share the ideology xD << Wait, how old are you? [05:31]
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DreadKnight BingoBoingo, 27, but since I'm into tech, parents learned a bit from me, both are using linux for years now [05:32]
BingoBoingo !up darlidada [05:32]
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DreadKnight I meant that they're not keen on complex / strong passwords [05:32]
DreadKnight seen a chart with most popular passwords... 123456 and password being top entries xD [05:33]
mircea_popescu "but parents don't want to share the ideology xD" <=> "i'm happy with it but i can't get my parents to use it themselves" ? [05:33]
DreadKnight http://splashdata.com/press/worstpasswords2013.htm [05:33]
assbot "Password" unseated by "123456" on SplashData’s annual "Worst Passwords" list [05:34]
BingoBoingo DreadKnight: Well, why are you giving your parents passwords to infrastructure? [05:34]
DreadKnight BingoBoingo, I didn't said their passwords [05:35]
DreadKnight just saying that a lot of non-tech / older people tend to use weak passwords [05:36]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe << this only works if two nodes have some 'wot' relationship. [05:44]
nubbins` hmm [05:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: otherwise trivial mitm. [05:44]
nubbins` just doing up the books for july, seems we have a mystery cash surplus of $666 [05:45]
nubbins` :0 [05:45]
decimation consider replacing irc with message passing [05:45]
decimation how do you coordinate who knows whom? [05:45]
decimation either a central server or a universal blockchain [05:46]
asciilifeform people tend to use weak passwords << this - and the famous experiment where a psychologist purchased office planktons' passwords with chocolate - is a fundamental result of people not giving a fuck. not a technical problem. [05:46]
asciilifeform obligatory: [05:46]
asciilifeform !s shall be delivered [05:46]
assbot 15 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shall+be+delivered [05:46]
asciilifeform when it turns into 'lose password and die' - some people will begin to give a fuck. [05:47]
decimation well, in that case the primary risk is the university's computer system [05:47]
decimation why should some freshman care about taxpayer assets? [05:47]
mircea_popescu nubbins`> just doing up the books for july, seems we have a mystery cash surplus of $666 << you have been clearly blessed. now if the lady's late... [05:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform gpg has built in key signing for this reason. [05:48]
mircea_popescu decimation ^ [05:48]
asciilifeform how does key signing play into this ? [05:48]
mircea_popescu if presented with traffic from alleged key, i expect it to be signed by keys i already accepted. [05:48]
asciilifeform that's the basic 'wot' idea, yes. [05:49]
mircea_popescu also, people not giving a fuck is a major technical proble, [05:49]
asciilifeform what won't work is - any node out of the box can talk to any other. [05:49]
mircea_popescu the core reason for it is that the species must perpetuate. this hinges on women not really giving a fuck. [05:49]
asciilifeform in such a scenario, stego is useless [05:49]
mircea_popescu as women started giving a fuck, fertility melted away. [05:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform merely the fact that i reject the message doesn't say nanything about its validity. [05:50]
mircea_popescu merely it's unacceptability to me. [05:51]
decimation https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/lee-kuan-yew-drains-your-brains-for-short-term-gain/ [05:51]
assbot Lee Kuan Yew drains your brains for short term gain | Bloody shovel [05:51]
asciilifeform well ostensibly purpose of stego is 'dr evil can't tell if x is a node' [05:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and how can he ? [05:52]
mircea_popescu “To have a nation, you must have people and you must have young people to be able to drive the economy and young people buy the products — all these gadgets and fine dining — and if you don’t have that, and you refuse migrants as the Japanese do, you will just dissolve into nothingness! I think before that comes, they may change (their) policy.” << a country which doesn't have enough gullible fools is not use [05:53]
mircea_popescu ful to the bezzlers, which means IT DOESNT EXIST O NOES [05:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well, the only scenario where he can't is where a node only replies to 'friend', otherwise ignores. [05:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform node never replies. [05:54]
decimation along the same vein [05:54]
mircea_popescu why would a node ever reply ? [05:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: right. hence 'wotcoin.' [05:54]
decimation http://www.xenosystems.net/iq-shredders/#more-3088 "How many bright Indians and bright Chinese are there, Harry? Surely they are not infinite. And what will they do in Singapore? Well, engage in the finance and marketing rat-race and depress their fertility to 0.78, wasting valuable genes just so your property prices don?t go down. Singapore is an IQ shredder." [05:54]
assbot Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » IQ Shredders [05:54]
mircea_popescu decimation this is a valid point. if i hadn't had trilema and all i did was finance i'd probably hang myself [05:55]
asciilifeform why would a node ever reply >> if you're fetching blockchain state, vs. pushing tx [05:55]
mircea_popescu like all the people falling on a nail gun from the 9th floor [05:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you shouldn't need a node for state. [05:55]
copumpkin :O [05:55]
mircea_popescu you should be able to reconstruct state on your own from the sea so to speak [05:56]
nubbins` aha! found it [05:57]
nubbins` now we're only a mystery $15 over [05:57]
nubbins` which isn't much of a mystery at all [05:58]
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asciilifeform japan/migrants << we'll know jp is done as a going concern when they give up and let the devils in [05:59]
decimation I think most of them would rather die then let that happen [06:00]
mircea_popescu i know a guy who moved to japan and got citizenship, i know a guy who married a very pretty japanese rosebud and settled in yurp [06:00]
decimation which might be the case [06:00]
mircea_popescu the situation in the field has justabout 0 to do with the zerohedge-esque nonsense therein discussed. [06:00]
mircea_popescu there's this cracked.com v2.0 set of websites, which pretty much live off internet-hyperbole. [06:01]
asciilifeform guy who moved to japan and got citizenship << contrary to popular belief, this is not impossible - but about same level of difficulty as getting tenured professorship at a big uni [06:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not that big. [06:01]
mircea_popescu i'd say it's much easier to get japanese citizenship than bitcoin citizenship [06:01]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, so why buenos aires? "permanent"? [06:01]
mircea_popescu yes. [06:02]
mircea_popescu well, permanent. i don't do permanent, i do a few years. [06:02]
asciilifeform if i recall, you need to be very popular with the locals, collect signatures, demonstrate cash flow, etc. [06:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ikr ? [06:02]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, figured, that's why the quotes; job there? [06:02]
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mircea_popescu DreadKnight you're talking to the only romanian billionaire. i don't jobs. [06:03]
asciilifeform incidentally, in jp it is not only legal but routine to refuse real estate deal, rentals, work, etc. to white devil. [06:03]
asciilifeform some foreigners (usa) find this very surprising [06:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not really from what i hear. [06:03]
mircea_popescu it is routine to refuse to deal with idiots tho [06:03]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, considered that scenario as well, nice :) [06:04]
mircea_popescu i guess some foreigners conflate the two. [06:04]
* asciilifeform last informed on the subject many years ago [06:04]
BingoBoingo I need to find someone who can introduce me to one of those Chinese agencies which rents out designated white people [06:04]
decimation almost every country will welcome you if you have enough money [06:04]
asciilifeform decimation: don't confuse buying passport with making friends [06:05]
mircea_popescu decimation there's exactly two ways : one's wealth and the ability to select and hire local helpers. the other's deep knowledge and an ability to select and persuade local patrons. [06:05]
mircea_popescu you can be a scholar or you can be a merchant. what you can't be is a consumer [06:05]
mircea_popescu nobody wants those. this is surprising to nobody outside of us folk i would think. [06:05]
BingoBoingo nobody wants those. this is surprising to nobody outside of us folk i would think. << Well considering that most US local and state level economic development projects consist of efforts to attract and create consumers... Yeah [06:06]
asciilifeform i can picture a scenario where random bozos are invited in, but with the understanding of... biodiesel, if they don't make themselves otherwise useful [06:07]
asciilifeform a la dubai. [06:07]
BingoBoingo No US town wants a factory to be useful, they want it because it employees consumers [06:07]
decimation are you saying rich fools are unwelcome ? [06:07]
mircea_popescu decimation try a mental experiment. consider very insular, outsider-hating middle america community. consider you show up there and lavish new york mannerisms and expectations upon them. lynch mob is unsurprising. consider oppositely you show up there and display an intimate knowledge of the various blood feuds underpinning their social system. suddenly everyone wants you over for sunday dinner. [06:08]
decimation yeah good point [06:08]
mircea_popescu decimation yes. rich fools are dangerous in the manner of the weak tower discussed earlier. [06:08]
BingoBoingo are you saying rich fools are unwelcome ? << Rich fools are a resource to harvest like any other until the simply become fools [06:08]
mircea_popescu nobody really wants them that's sane. [06:08]
asciilifeform rich fool can go to the diesel pot when he goes broke, but in the meantime can work various evils [06:09]
asciilifeform !s skyscraper [06:09]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, is your billionaire status related to bitcoins? [06:10]
mircea_popescu well yes [06:10]
asciilifeform what rich fools built? example - today's usa. [06:10]
BingoBoingo ;;google romanian billionaire openbsd [06:10]
gribble Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog: ; Romanian Bitcoin Billionaire saves OpenBSD : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; 19-1-2014 Romanian Bitcoin Billionaire saves OpenBSD - Bitcoin Forum: (1 more message) [06:10]
decimation the us is rich in rich fools, and this explains much of the common us mentality [06:10]
mircea_popescu decimation you familiar with the "the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on" quip ? [06:11]
mircea_popescu (it's not mine, i just put graham's idea in better wording) [06:11]
decimation yeah one observes this daily in the vc circus [06:11]
mircea_popescu well what are rich fools. [06:11]
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decimation "branding over quality" [06:12]
mircea_popescu suppose rich fools (in the shape of oversexed, misguided older us women) show up in africa, with a cohort of young, undersexed male followers [06:13]
mircea_popescu they have the money to wreck communities, and they do. [06:13]
mircea_popescu i actually saw this in the act. [06:13]
DreadKnight BingoBoingo, that shows some proof of the status, but not how it came to be or maybe I'm missing something? Like OpenBSD being put to good use after... :) [06:13]
mircea_popescu (in guatemala, not in africa, but same principle.) [06:13]
BingoBoingo decimation: It isn't just the VC circus. Successful builder finds life better than ever, then buys expensive farmland to build several suburbs for people like himself and goes broke. [06:13]
decimation meanwhile the landscape is now permanently spammed with houses, which decay [06:14]
DreadKnight BingoBoingo, nvm title already contains "billionaire" [06:14]
asciilifeform Rich fools are a resource to harvest like any other until the simply become fools << dollar in the hands of billionaire is not the same as dollar in the hands of a mere mortal. just like a gram of dirt in orbit is not the same as same gram in a moon. 'quantity has a quality of its own.' [06:14]
mircea_popescu ^ [06:14]
mircea_popescu you may think that glucose is what powers life [06:14]
mircea_popescu however a half pound glucose crystal is about as perishable as plastic. [06:15]
BingoBoingo Well historically most candied things were produced as a way to preserve various foods. [06:15]
BingoBoingo Much like NaCL [06:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ancient egyptian honey, famously - still edible. [06:16]
decimation destruction is so much easier than construction: therefore spending money constructively is more difficult than spending money destructively [06:16]
BingoBoingo Concentration decides whether it is a nutrient or a preservative hostile to invasive life. [06:16]
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mircea_popescu ie, quantity has a quality all of its own [06:17]
asciilifeform landscape is now permanently spammed with houses << 1km or so from where i sit, thousands of condos are being built. many already put to market; not 1 in 10 is inhabited. [06:18]
decimation ascii, how much would you say you have spent building an electronics assembly house? in my neck of the woods, it's common wisdom that such assembly machines are so expensive that they cannot possibly repay themselves [06:18]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Similar here, but instead of condos "McMansions" [06:18]
decimation heh there's also the original: Bowie's levittown [06:19]
asciilifeform decimation: very little. and nothing at all from the s.nsa piggy has gone for tooling. [06:19]
decimation I guess it depends on your requirements. if you really must build 8 layer pcbs with blind vias, the equipment to accomplish that is going to cost orders of magnitude more than dual-layer stuff [06:20]
asciilifeform decimation: what little (semi) automation i have in mind, is simply to eliminate problems with prototype assembly quality (vs design) from consideration during test. [06:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform here's something for you. who said 'Death solves all problems - no man, no problem.' ? [06:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: supposedly stalin, but in point of fact it was a fictional stalin. [06:20]
BingoBoingo Asystole is the most stable heart rhythym [06:20]
mircea_popescu right! [06:21]
asciilifeform decimation: i've no intention of producing pcb per se at home. at this point it is in fact more expensive than chicom boards with proper solder mask, plating, etc. [06:21]
asciilifeform decimation: i occasionally etch simple 2-layer boards in kitchen, but only for quick experiments (e.g. studying particular smt component) [06:22]
decimation right, pcbs are a different matter I suppose. I'm not so sure that assembly must be so expensive, given that the pcb is outsourced [06:22]
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decimation if you buy golden toliet pick 'n' place and fancy solder tools I guess it becomes extremely expensive [06:23]
asciilifeform decimation: assembly for small runs is ruinously expensive, and has logistical issues (where do the parts come from? who purchases? is there a vig?) [06:23]
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decimation the real issue is that you need a non-drug-addicted human to run the machines [06:25]
decimation and do rework when required [06:25]
decimation ascii have you driven on "MD200" (the ICC) [06:29]
decimation monument to spamming roads/homes pointlessly around landscape [06:29]
BingoBoingo Ah, around here one need not drive on a fancy road to find spammed homes. Even the barely paved have domicile spam. [06:31]
BingoBoingo http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140724094043 [06:35]
assbot Minimalist HTTP Daemon Activated in Base [06:35]
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decimation is it going to replace bloated apache? [06:37]
BingoBoingo decimation: They already cut Apache from base in favor of nginx, this is more it seems a still more basic alternative to nginx for people that desire it [06:38]
DreadKnight I still hope that someday php will be usable system wide, like python, not just in a specific directory [06:39]
BingoBoingo DreadKnight: It can already be used like the question though is why? [06:40]
BingoBoingo ===== [06:40]
DreadKnight BingoBoingo, portability and easier workflow [06:40]
BingoBoingo DreadKnight: What is insufficiently portable about C, python, Julia, Fortran 77, or Scheme? [06:41]
DreadKnight BingoBoingo, I'm talking php [06:41]
DreadKnight python is fine [06:42]
BingoBoingo DreadKnight: I know you want to talk about ======== php, but... What use would you find about an HTML generation language that would make it great for the whole system? [06:42]
BingoBoingo I'm just curious, also a little bit drunk and trollish for full disclosure. [06:43]
DreadKnight BingoBoingo, I could just share source code with someone and it would be easier for him to run it; I could start working on a dynamically generated website on my computer in any folder [06:44]
BingoBoingo I'm just trying to get over PHP is your prefered language and Bending Wordpress to your will seems intimidating. [06:45]
DreadKnight when it comes to linux and php, if you want to work inside dropbox as well, you have to deal with symlink, permission rights, logic and such [06:45]
BingoBoingo Is dropbox still a thing? [06:45]
DreadKnight I'm using git inside dropbox while working on websites [06:45]
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DreadKnight why wouldn't dropbox still be a thing? :P [06:46]
DreadKnight not everyone will use amazon cloud thing [06:46]
DreadKnight ec2* [06:46]
BingoBoingo Wait Amazon is still a thing too??? [06:47]
DreadKnight good thing you made a disclaimer earlier :D [06:47]
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mircea_popescu julia ?! [06:48]
DreadKnight ikr [06:48]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight php is not too popular here, following a total bashing it got a few months ago over some bizarre design choices and (i suspect) the fact tux loved it. [06:48]
DreadKnight considering ditching it for python myself just because python doesn't care about a special folder [06:49]
mircea_popescu how does php care about a special folder ? [06:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Julia's some clojure like re-LISPening that is apparently getting played with in HPC and science computing circles [06:49]
DreadKnight on linux you need to have stuff in that /var/www or do some symlinking [06:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i know but i mean... portability right ? [06:50]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight you mean so apache will serve the pages remotely ? [06:50]
DreadKnight could probably change some setting, but not many will do that [06:50]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, want to generate pages locally [06:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I just guessing off of the name that Julia has a vagina API call, and vaginas are accomodating to nearly anything given sufficient time to warm up [06:51]
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asciilifeform php << why ?! [06:59]
asciilifeform decimation: md200 << aye. i even have the rfid billing gizmo just for it. [07:00]
DreadKnight php, because recursive acronyms >_< [07:01]
decimation most of the land for md200 was donated by local DC land baron to build Konterra [07:02]
decimation ie townhomes in swamps [07:02]
asciilifeform decimation: the remainder - confiscated from a few hundred unfortunates. [07:03]
asciilifeform the whole dc region is a gigantic swamp. [07:03]
asciilifeform point of fact: i've seen bitterns here. [07:03]
decimation after spending $3 billion to build road, the gov't managers said that the 4-foot trail next to the road would be "too expensive" to complete [07:04]
decimation ie trail to nowhere [07:04]
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decimation go into debt building roads they can't afford while failing to provision for a future when no one can afford cars [07:06]
asciilifeform decimation: an asphalt road is far from any kind of permanent edifice. gets reclaimed by the jungle after just a few years of neglect. so don't expect to hear any talk of 'future' anything. [07:07]
mircea_popescu decimation this is an unfair observation. who in the us has the authority to actually take these facts in hand and make a decision ? [07:07]
decimation I've been seeking such a person for years [07:07]
mircea_popescu the way a country of "laws not men" works is by definition that unless it stumbles into sense, it will thread stupidity. [07:07]
decimation as far as I can tell, doesn't exist [07:07]
decimation if an alient landed in nebraska and said "take me to your leader", would the alien be disappointed with whomever appears? [07:08]
decimation Re: asphalt roads - in germany they build only with concrete for highways afaik [07:09]
asciilifeform i hear they even eat real - non-recycled - food, there. [07:10]
decimation "it's okay for you" [07:11]
mircea_popescu this is not true [07:11]
mircea_popescu autobahn is asphalt mostly. [07:11]
mircea_popescu ZTV Asphalt-tr 07/ZTV Beton-StB 07 being the relevant standards, if anyone's curious. [07:12]
asciilifeform swamp land of dc << example. moved to new place recently. even the garden shed has... air conditioner. [07:12]
decimation I suspect that they are more substantially graded than us highways [07:12]
decimation well, with 95% humidity at 95 degrees F what do you suspect [07:12]
asciilifeform in summer, tropical hell, like the venus of old sf stories [07:13]
decimation at least in new york they get sea breezes [07:16]
decimation washington dc is one of the least habitable zones on the east coast [07:16]
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decimation soon dc will once again have strange tropical mosquito-bourne illness: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/concerned-mosquito-born-chikungunya-virus/ [07:18]
assbot How concerned should we be about the mosquito-borne Chikungunya virus? | PBS NewsHour [07:18]
asciilifeform decimation: you need a non-drug-addicted human to run the machines << when it comes to it - one can run the machines in person. if one is truly serious. [07:18]
decimation that comes down to a trade-off between development and production [07:19]
decimation but extremely valuable information is to be gained by doing both [07:20]
asciilifeform given the nature of the product, there are also other considerations. [07:20]
decimation true, in the case of security hardware [07:21]
asciilifeform regardless of where the production gizmos end up baking, the 'breath of life' will have to be breathed into them right here. [07:22]
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asciilifeform (everybody gets a unique firmware. as described in the prospectus.) [07:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1599002 = 1.9188 BTC [+] {6} [07:27]
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BingoBoingo %d [07:38]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 637338.21 in 1183 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -7.25 [07:38]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [07:38]
gribble Current Blocks: 312366 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 12 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18728951524.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.03305 [07:38]
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assbot Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life. [08:00]
DollyDear !ticker h sdice [08:00]
assbot Quest for vision is a great blessing. [08:00]
kakobrekla you need some help [08:02]
kakobrekla ? [08:02]
DollyDear maybe [08:03]
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BingoBoingo !t m s.mpoe [08:26]
assbot You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey. [08:26]
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cazalla me too [08:49]
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BingoBoingo Somebody get this man a buttcoin http://deadspin.com/gm-gets-prostate-exam-in-stadium-sings-take-me-out-to-1610657985 [09:12]
assbot GM Gets Prostate Exam In Stadium, Sings "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" [09:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00081818 = 23.3999 BTC [-] {2} [09:19]
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mircea_popescu !last s.wol [09:28]
assbot It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry. [09:29]
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BingoBoingo Doge distractions http://pocketmonster.kotaku.com/one-mans-five-year-quest-for-a-shiny-pokemon-1603763304 [09:29]
assbot One Man's Five-Year Quest To Find A Shiny Pokmon [09:29]
mircea_popescu !last m s.wol [09:29]
assbot Last trade for S.WOL on MPEX was at 0.00008888 BTC [+] [09:29]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c isn't that "long life and prosperity" in chinese ? [09:30]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:30]
mircea_popescu !up lordbunson [09:30]
-assbot- You voiced lordbunson for 30 minutes. [09:30]
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mircea_popescu "O'Connell went through this process whenever he could, be it while he was watching TV or surfing the internet. He estimates that he's reset the game maybe over 100,000 times, with over five hundred hours dedicated to this single consuming task." [09:32]
mircea_popescu am i to be impressed that somebody did something for 500 hours ? [09:32]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm moe dumfounded that he didn't just fck the rng to favor him [09:33]
cazalla i'll ask my brother, he held WR for fastest complete on pokemon red for gameboy [09:33]
BingoBoingo Or hexeditor on the ROM [09:33]
BingoBoingo 500 hours is more than enough time to make a perfect cheat on such a sumb platform [09:34]
mircea_popescu i've definitely spent more than 500 hours whipping slaves over the past decade [09:34]
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mircea_popescu doesn't seem like a big deal. [09:34]
BingoBoingo whipping slaves is it's own reward [09:34]
BingoBoingo Dude thoug adopted the Doger-aspie mentality of I want X, but only via route Y. [09:35]
BingoBoingo Case study in why etherium prolly won [09:35]
BingoBoingo 't ship [09:35]
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mircea_popescu hm [09:36]
BingoBoingo It isn't amazing that he accomplished something. It is amazing he took such a fail path to do so for so long. [09:38]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [09:38]
BingoBoingo Anyone can imagine they've done anything if they smash their head into a cinder block until they have the cognitive funtion of an oyster [09:42]
mircea_popescu i don't think oysters imagine [09:42]
BingoBoingo Pretty sure oysters are or at least should count as vegan [09:43]
BingoBoingo Being as far as they are from anything else that might vaguely be considered an animal [09:43]
mircea_popescu hm, now that'd be a character : a gaudy hipster that identifies as vegan and chains oysters [09:45]
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BingoBoingo Well, if I settled next to the sea I figured I'd call myself vegetarian and eat hundreds of oysters a day for the trollz [09:48]
fluffypony oysters are delicious [09:48]
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mircea_popescu fresh they're pretty good yeah [09:51]
mircea_popescu but it's by far the most sensitive to pollution/freshness food there is [09:51]
fluffypony yep [09:51]
fluffypony we have the Knysna Oyster Festival every year around the corner from us [09:51]
fluffypony so this is oyster country [09:51]
mircea_popescu ah [09:52]
mircea_popescu well that helps [09:52]
BingoBoingo They ship here pretty well from clean waters. Helps that oysters are rather robust for shellfish. [09:53]
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mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Pearl_Oysters.jpg < those are some pretty pearls. [09:57]
BingoBoingo Indeed rather large as well. Getting enough that size for a strand would be one of (expensive, a pain in the ass) [10:00]
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mircea_popescu lol that day when romanian newspapers actually buy google adwords exposure on your name. [10:02]
BingoBoingo Is that today? [10:03]
BingoBoingo https://www.koofers.com/drexel-university/instructors/popescu-698283/ [10:04]
assbot Mircea Popescu: Rate Professor: Drexel (DU): Koofers [10:05]
mircea_popescu it's today [10:05]
BingoBoingo ;;google mircea popescu adwords [10:09]
gribble Mai 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema ...: ; 150+ Negative Keywords for Software Selling AdWords Campaigns ...: [10:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2014/random-weird-shit/#comment-103226 [10:10]
assbot Random weird shit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [10:10]
BingoBoingo lol [10:10]
mircea_popescu also the various eth threads all over are pretty lulzy [10:11]
mircea_popescu https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7432&start=0 [10:11]
assbot Ripple Forum • View topic - Ethereum seems to start selling their native currency [10:12]
mircea_popescu "Somehow I managed to partially recover from my Ripple loss, I don't think I will invest in anything else but bitcoin in the future." [10:12]
mircea_popescu derp : "omfg they got 5k btc this is so important". older generation derp : "ripple claimed the same thing, a year later they have nothing to show for it" [10:12]
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BingoBoingo At least Ripple had the courtesy to give away their fail tokens at the start. Basically the Ether terms are then can funnel up to 5kilo BTC back into "development" with the net effect they can Burn 5000 btc in this sale and relaim them later as "expenses" [10:14]
BingoBoingo Anything Eth gets beyond the initial 5 kilo BTC might be outside interest [10:20]
mircea_popescu http://www.helpareporter.com/sources [10:22]
assbot Become a News Source HARO Publicity Alerts - Help a Reporter Out - Help a Reporter Out [10:22]
mircea_popescu this is maybe an interesting concept [10:22]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it'd logically be the 5k it originaly got. anything it gets past 5k past the 5k would be outside interest. [10:22]
mircea_popescu %d [10:23]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 635045.23 in 1166 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -7.59 [10:23]
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BingoBoingo Altcoin as usual is the perfect contrast because dev costs are already sunk and minimal. Instead what ATC has are long term commitments to buy it. [10:25]
mircea_popescu seems so. [10:28]
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BingoBoingo This is a moral failing of Doge and Ether [10:36]
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BingoBoingo That they pray for mysterious outside benefactors to bless them with value [10:37]
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mircea_popescu that's a way to look at it yeah. [10:39]
BingoBoingo It's related to a sort of spamvestment scheme traditionally oriented towards targeting doctors. [10:45]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFbYM2EDz40 sorta braindamaged explanation that's nevertheless fundamentally correct. [10:45]
assbot Edgar the Exploiter - YouTube [10:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30747 @ 0.00081628 = 25.0982 BTC [-] {2} [10:46]
mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bmiev/my_favorite_thing_about_buttcoiners/ << le butthurtz [10:50]
assbot My favorite thing about buttcoiners : Buttcoin [10:50]
BingoBoingo Right now a big piece of spam when I listen to the radio is "Own your own oil well" commercials targeting accredited investors. [10:56]
mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2blwn1/i_honestly_dont_care_about_many_laws_put_around/cj6s0ar << the lithuanian guy has a point. [10:56]
assbot PureApeshit comments on I honestly don't care about many laws put around Bitcoin. The funny thing is I'm your average American next door neighbor. [10:56]
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mircea_popescu i ran a town, it was a pleasure to live in. for everyone except the buttcoiners, of course (the dumbass kids that go for postdocs in the us didn't exist) and the feminists (the dumbass womenz also didn't exist). [10:57]
mircea_popescu so basically anarchy works for everyone but reddit. [10:57]
fluffypony the amount of ignoreance is too damn high: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708883.0 [10:59]
assbot NAMECOIN 2.O + IPO [10:59]
BingoBoingo "I can see this working for a limited amount of time, in small communities. But who is going to build a $3 Billion bridge and regulate the quality of the engineering? Donations? What will keep greedy companies from paying desperate workers $2/hour, which is what is happening right now in countries with less regulation." Ferries are still a thing [10:59]
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mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bmbmi/the_tyranny_of_structurelessness_and_why/ << meanwhile social sciences redditard is stumbling on the concept of bitcoin-as-acutally-is deductively. [11:00]
assbot "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" and Why Decentralization Isn't All It's Cracked Up to Bean essay. : Buttcoin [11:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he failks to comprehend that the bridge in question does not in fact cost 3bn [11:01]
mircea_popescu it only costs 3bn if a particular type of sucker (us govt) is buying it. [11:01]
mircea_popescu mobsters don't pay retail, let alone golden toilet prices. [11:01]
mircea_popescu fluffypony wtf bs is this, imagetext ? [11:02]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: ikr [11:02]
BingoBoingo There's probably a few places in the world where a bridge might cost 3 billion honestly, but... [11:03]
BingoBoingo Generally those aren't places that need bridges [11:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo 3bn is at current prices 85 tons of gold [11:03]
mircea_popescu is this bridge MADE out of gold ? [11:03]
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mircea_popescu if someone made a sterling silver lifesized replica of the golden gate, it'd still not be 3bn. [11:04]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, connecting Hawaiian or Aleutian island with Bridges, i.e. places that don't need bridges [11:04]
mircea_popescu yeah well. [11:05]
mircea_popescu actually i am wrong : gg is like 1mn tons. [11:05]
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mircea_popescu that'd be 200ish mn for the steel alone. [11:06]
BingoBoingo Golden toilet prices of $695 mil deliver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Musial_Veterans_Memorial_Bridge and the road surface isn't even smooth but the most charitable definition [11:07]
assbot Stan Musial Veterans Memorial Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [11:07]
mircea_popescu turns out it cost like 20mn to build back a century ago. [11:08]
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BingoBoingo Inflation, too many dollars, etc [11:08]
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BingoBoingo Now it takes longer to name a bridge than build it [11:11]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the monthly delving in the trials and tribulations of the reality-is-people folk has been most rewarding. [11:12]
mircea_popescu fluffypony that idiocy aside, an actual namecoin that actually worked well'd be a pretty good thing. [11:13]
fluffypony yes [11:13]
fluffypony I agree [11:13]
fluffypony they definitely won't be the ones to do it, though :-P [11:13]
mircea_popescu problem is, someone needs to put first tier resolver servers online. [11:14]
mircea_popescu which isn't THAT expensive to do, but it does require a puppet-master sysadmin type to start it all [11:14]
mircea_popescu we've been waiting for that guy since 2012. [11:14]
mircea_popescu ironically, for all the bitching, wailing and thrashing of insignificant subhumans on reddits and forums, there is A TON of free space right at the top, and for years i've just been waiting for people to come and claim their spot. [11:15]
mircea_popescu just... the ability of being actually useful is a lot rarer than the ability to down a special interest studies read list and then derp around in circles. [11:15]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many of these fucktarded kids realise that a) domestic animals could "learn" the bullshit they've "learned" and b) that automatically means it ain't fucking worth bothering with. [11:16]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, that's all for me. tomorro. [11:21]
BingoBoingo which isn't THAT expensive to do, but it does require a puppet-master sysadmin type to start it all << OMG Bob Beck has a path to redemtion if he takes it [11:21]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [19:42]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 601.06, Best ask: 602.26, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 602.27, 24 hour volume: 5598.26669767, 24 hour low: 592.97, 24 hour high: 609.65, 24 hour vwap: 600.887144777 [19:42]
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DreadKnight DreadKnight:or even investors, as long as the strings aren't forever <-> mircea_popescu:DreadKnight why not ? [19:46]
DreadKnight forgot to answer that last time, well I misinterpreted [19:46]
DreadKnight the answer: I'm trying to make an evergreen type of game, with high replay value, that will also get new content and features over the years; so it's not like an oldschool published game, where you got a finished product with 40 hours of gameplay and then it gets stacked on the shelf [19:48]
DreadKnight evergreen games are the hardest to make and I don't want strings attached over the years; you could check out this article about such games http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DanielCook/20130726/196754/A_single_game_as_a_lifelong_hobby.php mircea_popescu [19:48]
assbot Gamasutra: Daniel Cook's Blog - A single game as a lifelong hobby [19:48]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight that's exactly how i go too. eulora is supposed to be playable forever. [19:49]
mircea_popescu this doesn't answer the "why" tho. [19:49]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, is that one of your projects or a game you funded? [19:49]
mircea_popescu that's the flagship game of s.mg, it's a proper mmorpg. [19:50]
DreadKnight hmm http://trilema.com/2013/its-called-eulora/ [19:50]
assbot It’s called Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:50]
mircea_popescu playable atm, more or less, if you have linux [19:50]
mircea_popescu yes. [19:50]
mircea_popescu or know how to compile for your platform [19:50]
DreadKnight I usually hate compiling, most keen on browser based stuff [19:51]
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fluffypony browser based games? [19:51]
fluffypony like Farmville? [19:51]
DreadKnight more or less [19:51]
mircea_popescu fluffypony guy's working on yet another homm for the web. [19:52]
mircea_popescu what was the link again ? [19:52]
fluffypony DreadKnight: do you use a ChromeBook? [19:52]
DreadKnight fluffypony, on a desktop atm, but would definitely recommend a ChromeBook to my parents and other people within a year or so [19:52]
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DreadKnight fluffypony, so yeah, what's the link to your project? I'm making www.AncientBeast.com [19:53]
fluffypony I don't have a project, I'm semi-retired [19:53]
DreadKnight got an old screenie? [19:53]
asciilifeform 'chromebook' can be turned into a perfectly normal machine (diassemble, remove eeprom write protect jumper, write in an ordinary linux, e.g. 'gentoo') [19:53]
mircea_popescu fluffypony read that as "semi retarded" :D [19:53]
mircea_popescu sorry fluffl [19:54]
fluffypony hah hah [19:54]
fluffypony only when it's the morning and I haven't had coffee ;) [19:54]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight dude's not a game dev, he's like a corporate ladder climber. [19:54]
DreadKnight seen quite a few people wanting to make a homm clone, but nobody was quite up for walking the walk [19:54]
fluffypony "I reached the top and I had to stop, and that's what's bothering me" [19:54]
fluffypony *sings* [19:54]
mircea_popescu hehe [19:54]
jurov DreadKnight so if you had in exchange for investment to pay out % of profit as dividends, is that unacceptable string to you? [19:55]
mircea_popescu fluffypony recall that trilema url with your pic ? [19:55]
fluffypony fuck you, fuck me? [19:55]
fluffypony other way round - fuck me, fuck you [19:55]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/ << there, that's her. [19:56]
assbot Fuck me ?! Fuck you!!! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:56]
DreadKnight jurov, was more keen on giving a fixed percentage back from the investment with time, besides the investment itself ofc; I'm not really into stock market, but I guess that would be fine, I could always buy the dividends myself at some point :D [19:56]
asciilifeform 'fuck you fuck me' << that was the original teledildonics product, if i recall. [19:56]
asciilifeform http://www.easylife.org/fufme [19:57]
assbot FuckU-FuckMe. Changing the feel of communication. [19:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ikr ? [19:57]
asciilifeform http://www.easylife.org/fufme/faq-use.html [19:57]
assbot FuckU-FuckMe. Changing the feel of communication. [19:57]
fluffypony that is a fantastic tagline [19:58]
jurov DreadKnight why would you submit to giving fixed % back even if the game profits is less than anticipated? [19:58]
DreadKnight wait, why am I seeing a picture of fluffypony's wife? xD [19:58]
mircea_popescu cause it's his better half ? [19:59]
fluffypony indeed [19:59]
DreadKnight she ain't bad :3 [19:59]
mircea_popescu she takes all the decisions and etc [19:59]
mircea_popescu ol' fluff just works all day. [19:59]
DreadKnight oh :)) [19:59]
DreadKnight so she probably decided to axe the homm clone or had something to do with it [19:59]
fluffypony what's homm? [20:00]
DreadKnight Heroes of Might and Magic [20:00]
fluffypony ah ok [20:00]
mircea_popescu fluffypony i can help you! http://trilema.com/2010/heroes-iii/ [20:00]
assbot Heroes III pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:00]
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mircea_popescu (you can look at teh pictures) [20:00]
fluffypony holy cow 2010 blog post [20:00]
* asciilifeform fondly remembers m&m and homm [20:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you ever tried playing mm6/7 with a girl ? [20:01]
DreadKnight jurov, yeah, that's assuming less risks in the short term anyway; though in the long run, those percentages could be way more than that fixed profit cut I mentioned [20:01]
* fluffypony stares at the Settlers of Catan box [20:01]
mircea_popescu it works splendidly, have her asdw while you handle teh mouse. [20:01]
mircea_popescu best couple activity involving a screen ever. [20:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope [20:01]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight you won't get a bond as nobody. not even major players in the industry get bonds. [20:01]
mircea_popescu (and when they do get close to bonds, disasters a la daikatana happen. it's very important to have good supervision, key to success.) [20:02]
mircea_popescu fluffypony trilema started in 2008. and since then, i've written > 1 article a day, each day, every day. [20:03]
DreadKnight funny they sold daikatana for whatever in humblebundle recently [20:03]
mircea_popescu thing cost 10 mn dollars, and this is pre 2000 money. [20:03]
DreadKnight dunno why they don't let that game project get buried already [20:03]
mircea_popescu thing cost 10 mn dollars, and this is pre 2000 money. < [20:03]
DreadKnight yeah, they're still trying to cover loses [20:04]
mircea_popescu people get incredibly attached to huge piles of dough [20:04]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, still having issues with zoso and other bloggers nowadays? [20:04]
mircea_popescu im sure they're still butthurt. [20:05]
mircea_popescu but today, it's mostly reddit that's butthurt. [20:05]
mircea_popescu well and sa, ofcourse. [20:05]
DreadKnight how come? [20:05]
DreadKnight I'm not too keen about reddit myself, ugly looking [20:05]
DreadKnight feels 80's [20:06]
benkay "cyranodeb" // read as cyra-node-b, because i have bitcoins on the mind [20:06]
asciilifeform http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q186/Soaprman/imagefests/doom2-08/DOOM0446.png << author of daikatana [20:06]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight well there's a lot you don't understand (yet) :p [20:06]
DreadKnight there always will be [20:06]
DreadKnight tell me something new :D [20:07]
mircea_popescu ahh what a way to wake up. i think ima fire up h2 now [20:07]
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mircea_popescu ( asciilifeform ever tried playing h2/h3 with a girl ? ever found one to consistently beat you ? ) [20:07]
asciilifeform nein [20:07]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, you could have posted a screenie with that eulora blog post :D [20:09]
DreadKnight found some in the comments [20:09]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight which one you mean ? [20:10]
mircea_popescu o o uyeah. [20:10]
mike_c http://www.eulorum.org/Screenshots [20:10]
assbot Screenshots - Eulorum [20:10]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/heroes-of-newerth/ << mp meets moba. [20:10]
assbot Heroes of Newerth pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:10]
mike_c wow, 5 months blows by quick. chetty, when's v0.0.5? [20:11]
DreadKnight mmorpgs are beasts to make and they require massive amount of players, the main issue that breaks or makes mmo's is that they keep being rpg's and have a lot of competition, also, there's the peer pressure; a lot of players stick to a certain mmorpg because their friends keep playing them, getting them to switch would mean also making friends to switch at the same time [20:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.15610228 = 0.7805 BTC [-] {3} [20:12]
DreadKnight there are a few extra creditz episodes on youtube why new mmorpg's don't make it as in they can't compete with WoW etc [20:12]
mike_c WoW gold can't compete with bitcoin [20:12]
mircea_popescu mike_c buildings being worked on. but a new package not so far off. [20:12]
mike_c cool [20:12]
benkay hoooooly logs [20:13]
mircea_popescu ima keep going "there's a lot you don't know yet" at this poor guy or what. [20:13]
mircea_popescu benkay we wish you a merry fu! we wish you a merry fu! and a happy neeeeew looooog! [20:13]
[]bot Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.83847635 BTC. Current weight: 20,822. [20:14]
benkay s.mg pump incoming hue hue hue [20:14]
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DreadKnight even if WoW requires pumping money into, there are quite a few players who use WoW to make money, yeah, might not be in an official way like bitcoins, but still [20:19]
mike_c for everyone who is dying to know what moiety sounds like: [20:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2310 @ 0.00081671 = 1.8866 BTC [+] [20:20]
mike_c https://btc.waroflife.com/videos/ [20:20]
assbot War of Life - Cellular automata to the death! [20:20]
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mircea_popescu ahahah scottie. [20:22]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her << only on the mother's side. << still counts, of course, and a +ev strategy for it to be so. my father isn't one of the "chosen people," though he's still… frugal [20:22]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post? << the 1% happens to be what matters in this field. << pimps matter in every field [20:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 255 @ 0.0029 = 0.7395 BTC [-] [20:24]
bitcoinpete 575 hits on dat ethereum blog so far [20:24]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete there've been a few people inquiring here, but none actually put fat on the line. [20:28]
bitcoinpete kakobrekla: Luke-Jr banana << lmao [20:29]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: tawk iz cheep [20:29]
chetty wow, 5 months blows by quick. chetty, when's v0.0.5?//been a little distracted lately, hopefully soon [20:29]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: and so is being stoopid [20:29]
mircea_popescu basically the advent of the internet talkhole has resulted in a lot of people trying to save on talk psychiatry. [20:30]
mircea_popescu to the degree the profession all but disappeared. [20:30]
bitcoinpete which is truly unfortunate for the immense population of north americans who need it [20:31]
bitcoinpete not that they could afford it [20:31]
mircea_popescu well, need is relative. they could use it, sure. a good beating's cheaper. [20:32]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: you're not being accused. you've just been convicted. that's all. << Luke-Jr, of being a banana [20:32]
bitcoinpete "The median grade at Harvard College is an A-, and the most frequently awarded mark is an A, Dean of Undergraduate Education Jay M. Harris said on Tuesday afternoon" [20:33]
bitcoinpete more beatings needed. everywhere. [20:34]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/a-useful-list-of-things/ [20:34]
assbot A useful list of things pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:34]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2014#721756 [20:34]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [20:34]
bitcoinpete mhm [20:37]
bitcoinpete if canadian institutions were so favourable, i'd be in medicine [20:38]
asciilifeform the official legend has always been (don't laugh...) 'we only admit the best, of course they'll have nothing but perfect marks' [20:38]
chetty http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/07/lawsuit-stunner-half-of-futures-trades-in-chicago-are-illegal-wash-trades/ [20:38]
assbot Lawsuit Stunner: Half of Futures Trades in Chicago Are Illegal Wash Trades [20:38]
mircea_popescu fluffypony http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/288/325/03c.png [20:38]
fluffypony lol [20:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no twenty year old ever fell in love resulting in neglect of his work. [20:39]
mircea_popescu this is amish country, only better. [20:39]
asciilifeform bitcoinpete: this (as discussed in the log) is not a thing in every u.s. uni, but only at the 'ivy' ones (most expensive, direct ladder to the lizardocracy) [20:39]
chetty bitcoinpete: this (as discussed in the log) is not a thing in every u.s. uni, but only at the 'ivy' ones (most expensive, direct ladder to the lizardocracy)//trickle down will get there [20:39]
mircea_popescu you know incidentally... this is exactly how the "Stefan Gheorghiu" School of Political Science worked in the 80s romania. [20:40]
bitcoinpete asciilifeform i had the good fortune of going to a larger canadian uni, saving me from such poisonous offerings [20:40]
mircea_popescu they couldn't give a bad mark to someone they had admitted. [20:40]
bitcoinpete lest they make the admissions board look bad [20:41]
asciilifeform i've been told this is SOP in japan, as well. [20:41]
mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ștefan_Gheorghiu_Academy [20:41]
assbot tefan Gheorghiu Academy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [20:41]
bitcoinpete hard to get in, but if you're in…. gravy [20:41]
asciilifeform can't flunk a brahmin, bad form. [20:41]
bitcoinpete the gods would be angry [20:41]
mircea_popescu it gives a bad impression of social mobility to the workers. [20:42]
mircea_popescu actually i should probably write on the us fiction of "social mobility" [20:42]
asciilifeform the original u.s. chumpatron. [20:42]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: YES! [20:42]
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bitcoinpete "North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un is reportedly furious about a Chinese viral video that photoshops him into all manner of ridiculous scenarios: dancing, brawling, riding a pig, frolicking with Osama Bin Laden, and generally being made a laughingstock by Obama and Putin." [20:43]
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mircea_popescu he should invade. [20:43]
bitcoinpete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgEmezpS_E << actually pretty lulzy [20:44]
assbot - YouTube [20:44]
bitcoinpete kju should raise interest rates [20:45]
bitcoinpete which i guess russia did today - 0.5% up to 8% [20:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 756 @ 0.00297173 = 2.2466 BTC [+] {3} [20:46]
mircea_popescu 8% is just about nuts. [20:46]
mircea_popescu they are killing the domestic market. [20:47]
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mircea_popescu i mean i get it, new mercantilism, they don't want consumption, all that. but omfg, 8%. [20:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.00297749 = 2.0842 BTC [+] [20:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1669 @ 0.0029775 = 4.9694 BTC [+] [20:48]
bitcoinpete definitely, but i seriously no idea it was 7.5% before! [20:49]
bitcoinpete 8 is fucked [20:49]
asciilifeform oldie but goodie on subject of brahmins: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/4/26/mit-admissions-dean-resigns-admits-misleading [20:50]
assbot MIT Admissions Dean Resigns; Admits Misleading School on Credentials | News | The Harvard Crimson [20:50]
kakobrekla if anyone is looking for a satire https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708813.msg8020809#msg8020809 [20:52]
assbot MPEx securities discussion thread [20:52]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is the benefit of aging. you start to realise your time is worth more than money. << a lesson few, even more aged, grok. intentionally i often suspect, as they're too unimaginative to find better uses for their time [20:53]
chetty better than what? [20:54]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete or it's just too painful to admit they're currently wasting their time. [20:54]
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asciilifeform to paraphrase paul erdos, 'they have no theorems to prove' [20:54]
mircea_popescu how many people with tween kids in tow are willing to consider whether the little schmucks are even worth raisingin the first place ? [20:54]
mircea_popescu it starts there. [20:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aptly put. [20:55]
fluffypony this is why we're not having kids [20:55]
asciilifeform a fellow 'with theorems to prove' could easily put 1000 years to good use. [20:55]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla ow shit, guy posting on the forum just annulled half a million btc worth of paper. [20:56]
mircea_popescu the fuck am i going to do now. [20:56]
mike_c fluffypony: because your kids wouldn't be worth raising? [20:56]
mircea_popescu mike_c because if he were to discover they aren't, he wouldn't have an out. [20:56]
mircea_popescu or at least so i imagine. [20:56]
fluffypony yep [20:56]
mike_c doesn't say much of your analysis of their gene pool :) [20:56]
fluffypony if they ended up being useless shits, what then? [20:56]
bitcoinpete fluffypony: cross that bridge when you get to it, neh? [20:57]
mircea_popescu people wanna solve the fertility problem, the solution is simple : give parents the unchallengeable right to kill the kids up until age 16. [20:57]
mircea_popescu problem solved. much better kids, and more of them. [20:57]
mike_c what kill? out is easy: boarding school. [20:57]
fluffypony well it's other concerns, mike_c - my neice has down syndrome, and I don't envy the ongoing struggle my aunt and uncle have [20:57]
mircea_popescu mike_c only if it's a self-supporting economic activity. [20:57]
chetty not kids would survive, all teens should die [20:57]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: islam does exactly that, honour killings, still have population explosions [20:57]
kakobrekla mp: nothing, its over! [20:57]
mircea_popescu which doesn't work today, as there's not much useful work kids can do. [20:57]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla can i send you my cv ? maybe there's a job opening somewhere, bit4x ? [20:58]
mike_c kids aren't supposed to be a profitable economic activity. [20:58]
fluffypony either way, we've realised we're too selfish as a couple to consider children, and I doubt that will change in future [20:58]
mike_c they are an expense [20:58]
mircea_popescu mike_c lol wut ? [20:58]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you ever seen maria's shining moment ? [20:58]
rithm pirate wants a jury trial [20:58]
chetty if more people really understood babies grow into teens there would not be a population problem [20:58]
rithm isn't that neat [20:59]
mike_c you pay $500,000 to have a cute little thing that loves you for 10 years, hates you for 8, and then hopefully respects you after that. [20:59]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: no? [20:59]
mircea_popescu rithm of course he does ? [20:59]
mircea_popescu fluffypony decent film. has the cannonical moment of the down kid parent thing. [20:59]
mircea_popescu well, at least to my mind cannonical. [20:59]
rithm babies grow into teens? [20:59]
rithm i hate teenagers! [20:59]
fluffypony rithm: isn't a jury supposed to be made up of your peers? so then his jury is going to be made up of Karpeles and the "dev teams" behind MaidSafe and Ethereum? [21:00]
mircea_popescu mike_c now why would i do that ? i' [21:00]
mircea_popescu d rather pay indiancandy's plane ticket for 500 or w/e it was [21:00]
mircea_popescu and im not doing that, either. [21:00]
mike_c why do some people get dogs? i have no fking idea. [21:00]
rithm fluffypony: subpoenas for errybody [21:00]
mircea_popescu this is not dogs. the dog, you can kill. [21:00]
mircea_popescu fluffypony i don't think they take peers that seriously. [21:00]
mike_c it is a gamble. more upside with a good kid than a good dog. [21:00]
rithm i call to the stand vbuterin [21:00]
fluffypony mike_c: because dogs are adorable and love you, and if your situation changes you can rehome them, and if they have an untreatable aggression problem you can (legally and even morally to most) put them down [21:01]
rithm to speak about ethereum [21:01]
fluffypony rithm: trial by blockchain! [21:01]
mike_c fluffypony: yes. and on the other hand they will never have an intelligent conversation with you. [21:01]
fluffypony PoJ - Proof of Judiciary [21:01]
mircea_popescu mike_c why would i take a gamble on another's terms ? [21:01]
mike_c that doesn't make sense. why would anyone bet on bitbet on your terms? [21:02]
mircea_popescu i want the right to kill any children or i won't have any. that's that. [21:02]
bitcoinpete bbl [21:02]
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mircea_popescu mike_c that'd be their problem. [21:02]
asciilifeform ^ [21:02]
fluffypony mike_c: true that...I guess we want it to be a bit more of a "sure thing" when embarking on a 20 year project that will consume nearly all our time and money ;) [21:02]
mike_c and i don't want a dog. different strokes. [21:02]
mircea_popescu mike_c but anyway, presumably because my terms are great. [21:03]
mike_c heh, "sure thing". [21:03]
mircea_popescu compared to their terms, that suck. [21:03]
fluffypony !s ecuador [21:03]
assbot 14 results for 'ecuador' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ecuador [21:03]
mircea_popescu which is why women are my slaves, rather than me theirs : because i am great, and they aren't as great. [21:03]
fluffypony oh werd, artifexd already mentioned it [21:03]
mike_c until you meet the right woman :D [21:03]
fluffypony they've banned Bitcoin and all digital currencies [21:03]
mircea_popescu fluffypony pretty much the only thing one can be sure of here, is that news's been scoopt. [21:03]
mircea_popescu mike_c thing is, i've met plenty of right women [21:04]
mircea_popescu for that position [21:04]
mike_c not the position of making you their slave. [21:04]
mike_c she is still out there. [21:04]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [21:04]
fluffypony "The law gives the government permission to make payments in ‘electronic money’, but decentralized digital currencies like bitcoin will now be prohibited. The proposed electronic money is to be backed by the assets of the Banco Central del Ecuador, the nation’s central bank. The National Assembly will oversee the new currency while the central bank will develop and integrate it into the broader financial system." [21:04]
mircea_popescu hey, more power to her, i've no problem with it. [21:04]
mike_c fluffypony: how old is your wife? mid-20's? [21:04]
fluffypony mike_c: 27 [21:05]
mike_c k, check back in 3 years plz [21:05]
mircea_popescu if anyone from ecuador is here : i will trade with you in violation of ecuador's alleged "laws". [21:05]
fluffypony hah hah [21:05]
mircea_popescu mike_c ask me. [21:05]
mike_c you don't have a wife. [21:05]
mircea_popescu a slave's more than a wife. [21:05]
mike_c different, not more. [21:05]
mircea_popescu no, more. [21:05]
mike_c hell no. you only think that cuz you haven't met wife yet. [21:06]
mircea_popescu you're discussing the relation not the person. [21:06]
mircea_popescu slave'll do what you tell her to, and that includes go kill yourself. [21:06]
mike_c that is backwards. the person is the important part. [21:06]
mircea_popescu which makes it more. [21:06]
mike_c that is the benefit of slave, like benefit of dog. it will do what you tell it or else. child and wife have different pros & cons. [21:07]
mircea_popescu it's not really "or else". [21:07]
mike_c right, same with dog. [21:07]
mircea_popescu we disagree. [21:07]
mircea_popescu as far as i can see, wife's closer to dog than to slave. [21:07]
mircea_popescu at least as commonly practiced wife and dog goes. [21:07]
mike_c well, i am not concerned with commonly. commonly wife & husband can't stand each other. [21:08]
mike_c commonly people hold fiat instead of bitcoin [21:08]
mircea_popescu yes well, everyone thinks their thing's special, for as long as it lasts. [21:08]
mircea_popescu some turn out right. [21:08]
mircea_popescu but the relation with the wife is constructed to protect the possible failures. [21:08]
mike_c you can apply those last two lines to BTC as well [21:08]
mircea_popescu the relation with the slave's constructed to expose them [21:09]
mike_c it is same as dog. you are limiting the downside, but also limiting upside. [21:09]
mircea_popescu you really like this similarity, but no. the limited upside's with the wife. [21:09]
mircea_popescu which is why i said a wife's closer to a dog earlier. [21:09]
mircea_popescu take it this way : there's a lot less you can be spectacularly wrongabout with the wife. A LOT LESS. [21:10]
mike_c which is "better": 1) woman that does whatever you say. 2) woman that is your intellectual equal and participates favorably in your life [21:10]
mircea_popescu applying "no pain no gain" in reverse, obviously there's also a lot more upside with the slave. [21:10]
mircea_popescu mike_c that she's a slave does not preclude her being your intellectual equal. [21:10]
mircea_popescu it just precludes her being your will equal. [21:11]
mike_c no, it precludes the 2nd part [21:11]
mircea_popescu how the hell does it preclude participating favorably in your life ? [21:11]
mike_c because she doesn't help make decisions. [21:11]
mircea_popescu of course she does. [21:11]
kakobrekla !s coindesk [21:11]
mircea_popescu she HELPS. she doesn't presume to actually make them. [21:11]
assbot 122 results for 'coindesk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coindesk [21:11]
mike_c and why shouldn't she presume? [21:12]
mike_c because she is not qualified? [21:12]
mircea_popescu you want me to answer a negative ? she shouldn't presume becauise it;'s not her place. [21:12]
mircea_popescu let me go at it a different angle. you ever were good friends with a good doctor ? i mean, practicing seriously, a good one. [21:12]
mike_c yup [21:12]
mircea_popescu did it even happen that you were privy to a case where they fucked up ? for w/e reason, they made the wrong call, resulting in a lot of trouble for a patient ? [21:13]
mike_c yup [21:13]
mircea_popescu did this harrowing emotional experience constitute an opportunity for them to grow, as a person ? [21:13]
mike_c hm. she cried over it. [21:13]
mircea_popescu well yeah, but! [21:13]
mike_c yes [21:13]
mircea_popescu there's more to life than that first layer. [21:13]
mircea_popescu and now, consider that you WILL punish your slave for no fault of her own. [21:14]
mircea_popescu yes, her well welted flesh is going to participate favourably in your life. [21:14]
mircea_popescu you get to discover just how stupid you are, in short order, and a wife's no substitute. [21:14]
mike_c obviously slave, like dog, will participate favorably at some level. [21:14]
mircea_popescu at a level higher than anyone else can access. [21:15]
mircea_popescu meaning is, after all, the ash of sacrifice. [21:15]
mircea_popescu the fact that a wife is relatively safe, in her person and property makes the relationship much alike to that with a dog. which dog, in it's bestial stupidity, is also relatively safe. [21:16]
mircea_popescu a slave's not safe. [21:16]
mike_c try this. axiom (for this case): woman is right, you are wrong. who has a better chance of changing your mind/behavior? slave eventually is told to stfu and will do so. [21:16]
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mircea_popescu and so ? [21:16]
mike_c and so you continue to be wrong, and no longer receive any input as to why. [21:17]
mircea_popescu don't you see the backflow here ? if you KNOW that your order will be unquestioned if it's an order, [21:17]
mircea_popescu aren't you in a much better position to correctly evaluate it ? [21:17]
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mircea_popescu what'd you rather do, linux or windoze ? rm -rf has no "are you SURE ???" triplicate dialogue. [21:18]
mircea_popescu who' the better coder, the linux guy or the windows guy ? [21:18]
mircea_popescu which is closer to walking a dog ? [21:18]
mike_c (rm -r does) [21:18]
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mircea_popescu (just forcing a point) [21:18]
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mike_c poor analogy. i'm not looking for pointless barrier. this is why wife needs to be of certain quality. [21:19]
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mircea_popescu windows is of certain quality. [21:19]
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mike_c so i marry linux! [21:19]
mircea_popescu linux won't marry you. [21:19]
mircea_popescu it has a master already. [21:19]
mike_c ah, that can change :) [21:19]
mircea_popescu the pool you can select wives from is already the pool of the women too [insert here] to have a master. [21:19]
benkay 9362/10362 [21:19]
mike_c bullshit. the pool i select from is whoever I want. since I am making better offer, I get woman. [21:20]
mircea_popescu mike_c recall ballas' champagne glasses pyramid. wives are the 2nd or 3rd rung from the bottom. [21:20]
mircea_popescu you are actually making a much worse offer. [21:20]
mircea_popescu that is of course not obvious to most midrange women, which is why they get married. [21:20]
mike_c you are self-selecting. worse offer to slavegirl perhaps who doesn't want to live her own life. [21:20]
mircea_popescu you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't. [21:21]
mike_c who is your master? [21:21]
mircea_popescu you do get to live a role, i guess. be a good mom/wife/consumer/we [21:21]
mircea_popescu mike_c nobody. why, you entertaining symmetry hopes ? [21:22]
DreadKnight unless you go away with mars one project, then you'll care about survival [21:22]
mike_c <+mircea_popescu> you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't. [21:22]
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benkay asciilifeform traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe ? // run it over cjdns? [21:22]
mircea_popescu mike_c if you must, i can expand it to include teh masters too. [21:22]
mircea_popescu benkay not a bad idea baking that in there i dont think yes. [21:22]
mircea_popescu so that your nodes act as cjdns nodes too, help both projhects. [21:22]
benkay neatly excises mitm. [21:23]
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mircea_popescu !up wserd [21:24]
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benkay statelessness has a quality all its own // see, mircea_popescu? state sucks. cause of much woe. [21:25]
mircea_popescu benkay if you recall, mpex eschewed https and http "logins" because state ? [21:26]
benkay not because a webui woulda cost more? [21:27]
benkay i keed, i keed. [21:27]
mircea_popescu not more than urmom! [21:27]
mircea_popescu !up the20year [21:28]
-assbot- You voiced the20year for 30 minutes. [21:28]
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mircea_popescu pm assbot !up [21:28]
benkay and really sir - "because state"? not because the chosen architecture made it unnecessary? [21:28]
benkay !t h rent [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400000 / 0.00402181 / 0.00439038 (1577 shares, 6.34238759 BTC), 7D: 0.00400000 / 0.00425515 / 0.00538009 (2574 shares, 10.95275244 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.00403815 / 0.00540000 (9748 shares, 39.36386385 BTC) [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 59120 @ 0.00021465 = 12.6901 BTC [-] {2} [21:28]
mircea_popescu benkay these two aren't different. [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 27206 @ 0.00019 = 5.1691 BTC [-] [21:29]
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benkay hey why did the order numbers fall over? not busting balls, state conversation made me curious. [21:30]
mircea_popescu because order numbers are assholes. [21:31]
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jurov benkay if you recall, mpex eschewed https and http "logins" because state ? << and later almost forced everyone to maintain counter huh [21:31]
mircea_popescu jurov ;/ [21:31]
benkay mircea_popescu: WORST TECHNICAL REPORT [21:31]
mircea_popescu jurov it's one of the sins burdening me in confession. [21:31]
benkay yeah, shove state into the clients. fuck 'em. [21:31]
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the20year is the topic still on wives? [21:32]
benkay the20year: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com [21:32]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [21:32]
mircea_popescu the20year nope we just moved on. [21:33]
the20year by the time i read it all, you are on to something else [21:33]
the20year so i can only assume it 's a tarp [21:33]
benkay read faster, american [21:33]
kakobrekla http://vimeo.com/50531435 [21:33]
assbot This Land Is Mine on Vimeo [21:33]
benkay 9570/10410 [21:33]
ThickAsThieves <+mike_c> for everyone who is dying to know what moiety sounds like: /// dat accent [21:34]
the20year Between chatting i'm also dealing with rental applications [21:34]
the20year I'm loving the facebook page thing, it's to the point we're getting half a dozen to a dozen rental applications before our properties in rehab are done [21:34]
mike_c ThickAsThieves: vote in progress. too thick for muricans? [21:34]
mircea_popescu whoa look at fmpif go [21:34]
mircea_popescu did someone fatfinger or did someone hire a forum muppet for investment advice ? [21:35]
kakobrekla its prolly jimmothy ackman [21:35]
mircea_popescu how'd he have twenny btc worth of stocks. [21:36]
benkay I still hope that someday php will be usable system wide, like python, not just in a specific directory // ahahahahaha [21:36]
mike_c !mpif [21:36]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021699 B (Total: 474.50 B). Delta: -0.78 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-] [21:36]
benkay and this guy's making a muhmorperger? [21:36]
mircea_popescu benkay don't hate ppls just because they're different [21:36]
benkay =====================! [21:36]
mircea_popescu that's why you're still single [21:36]
jurov huh someone sold deeply into my mm's .19 order? [21:36]
fluffypony no, it's an evergreen [21:36]
benkay foreveralone [21:36]
benkay .butts [21:36]
mike_c had to be a fatfinger. reminder #240 to always have an order on the books. [21:36]
mircea_popescu jurov o was your MM stuff hit ? [21:37]
mircea_popescu sweet. [21:37]
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mircea_popescu !up wyrdmantis [21:37]
-assbot- You voiced wyrdmantis for 30 minutes. [21:37]
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kakobrekla a few trades today unaccounted for in that upper nav i think [21:37]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah perhaps as much as fiddy bitcents profited. [21:37]
kakobrekla mike_c make the thing run hourly ? [21:37]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla how would he know what jurov made ? [21:38]
kakobrekla hm ? i mean my thing. [21:38]
mike_c !mpif [21:38]
mircea_popescu o wait, YOU LOST MOAR MONYZ ?!?!?! [21:38]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-] [21:38]
mike_c oh, sweet, he made money [21:38]
mircea_popescu o yay. [21:38]
mircea_popescu great time to sell into the dirt : when unreported gains. [21:39]
mike_c kakobrekla: yes.. moving from cron.daily to cron.hourly is on the short list. i'll just do it now. [21:39]
jurov ;;calc 0.00021707*1.01 [21:39]
gribble 0.0002192407 [21:39]
kakobrekla cool ty [21:39]
jurov ;;calc 0.00021707/1.01 [21:39]
gribble 0.000214920792079 [21:39]
jurov mhm [21:39]
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wyrdmantis hi everyone [21:41]
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benkay salud [21:41]
wyrdmantis how register my nick? [21:42]
wyrdmantis i have to write the commands right here? [21:42]
kakobrekla to wot or nickserv ? [21:42]
wyrdmantis nickserv [21:42]
DreadKnight benkay, not making a mmorpg [21:42]
wyrdmantis one thing at a time [21:42]
benkay 10008/10462 [21:42]
ThickAsThieves <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: vote in progress. too thick for muricans? //// Other than when she says "cunt" instead of "current" the accent is great ;) [21:43]
kakobrekla yeah /msg nickserv commands [21:43]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [21:43]
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mike_c i heard that too :) [21:43]
mircea_popescu !up yamaka [21:44]
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ThickAsThieves lol "MPEX has no value and has been/continues to burden the community." ~hayek [21:45]
DreadKnight benkay, was actually giving arguments why people shouldn't make mmorpg games, no matter how much money they got into their accounts [21:45]
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benkay defo skimmed that logsection [21:45]
mike_c any other muricans want to give a listen and voice an opinion it would be appreciated. this isn't a love-fest, please say if you think the accent might not work for average US speaker. https://btc.waroflife.com/videos/ [21:45]
assbot Video Tutorials - War of Life [21:45]
kakobrekla i like it [21:46]
mike_c yeah, but you are multi-lingual [21:46]
ThickAsThieves no he's murican now [21:46]
ThickAsThieves sry [21:46]
ThickAsThieves graduated from somalian [21:46]
mircea_popescu mike_c how many non multilingual ppl ar you gonna find in assets ? [21:46]
mike_c he can't be murican if he speaks more than 1 language [21:46]
ThickAsThieves look, i'm an american and i like it, what more is there to need to know really? [21:47]
mircea_popescu !up wyrdmantis [21:47]
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mike_c hell, you're from florida. practically a redneck [21:47]
kakobrekla perhaps is a bit fast [21:47]
mircea_popescu mike_c he's not even white. [21:47]
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ThickAsThieves i'm from MA technically [21:47]
ThickAsThieves but sure [21:47]
ThickAsThieves i'm not even racist either [21:48]
mircea_popescu irk? [21:48]
mircea_popescu "MP prolly on NSA payroll." [21:49]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#c3572 << bitbet trollbox beats btctrolltalk now [21:49]
assbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (12%) on Yes, 572.49 B (88%) on No | closing in 3 months 3 weeks | weight: 32`872 (100`000 to 1) [21:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 393 @ 0.00149998 = 0.5895 BTC [+] {2} [21:49]
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ThickAsThieves well there is S.NSA after all... [21:50]
ThickAsThieves this is good: "What baffles me is how people can send so many coins to a supposedly anonymous person. Do you give out unsecured loans to random strangers who you meet for the first time?" [21:50]
ThickAsThieves "Are you new to this subforum?" [21:51]
mircea_popescu lol [21:51]
mircea_popescu "unsecured loan" ? where do they get off lmao [21:51]
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mike_c omg that SR auction bet is the gift that just keeps giving. daily lulz in the comments. [21:53]
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ThickAsThieves mike_c on more mature note, i can add that the audio has some sibilance issues [21:53]
mircea_popescu !up _biO_ [21:53]
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jurov mircea_popescu: looks like the F.MPIF perpetrator wants to withdraw [21:53]
mike_c yeah, it wasn't done with pro equipment i'm sure. but it was meant to have casual tone. [21:53]
ThickAsThieves i could smooth out some if you send me the raw [21:54]
mircea_popescu personally, i kinda like it how they keep making these forum threads about how mpex is bad, get laughed into the ground, close it and reopen it as if it were new. [21:54]
mike_c sure, thanks! [21:54]
mircea_popescu since the 2012 days of glbse we're at what, 4 of these ? 5 ? [21:54]
mike_c ;;google sibilance [21:54]
gribble Sibilant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Sibilance - Merriam-Webster Online: ; sibilance - definition of sibilance by The Free Dictionary: [21:54]
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mircea_popescu jurov on it. [21:55]
jurov actually the thread wasn't about "mpex is bad" till jimmothy came around [21:55]
kakobrekla someone offer him a short? [21:55]
mircea_popescu well yeah but he's what, 90% of the text. [21:55]
kakobrekla for the 0.02 he has. [21:56]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you need money for that. his budget was in the decimals last he was offered a short. [21:56]
kakobrekla :) [21:56]
mircea_popescu and "it woudln't be fair anyway", for some variation of "mp has all the btc and can do whatever he wants" [21:56]
fluffypony jimmothy irritates the living daylights out of me [21:56]
fluffypony he's impossible to talk to [21:56]
kakobrekla yeah but this one is not cause of the money. [21:56]
benkay you pay $500,000 to have a cute little thing that loves you for 10 years, hates you for 8, and then hopefully respects you after that. // ideally. sculpting them into not-biodiesel is generally frowned upon in these parts. [21:56]
mircea_popescu somehow suddenly he's aware of that when it's his skin. but otherwise, happy to run the mouth, [21:56]
benkay "but mocking their idiocy is abuse!" [21:56]
mircea_popescu best argument against letting the common folk out of the dungeon i ever saw. [21:56]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony he's providing the valuable service of keeping the idiots out. [21:57]
kakobrekla anyway, someone should offer a short on the thing, just to keep things healthy. [21:57]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you looking to get banned moar ? [21:58]
benkay ah, the wives and slaves thread begins. [21:58]
kakobrekla lol [21:58]
benkay 10286/10535 [21:58]
benkay busy day [21:58]
mircea_popescu benkay what's the count ? no way we have 10k lines in the log today [21:58]
benkay lines since i last rebooted emacs on the aws micro [21:58]
mircea_popescu oh k. [21:58]
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benkay it's not really "or else". // whose wives don't do as told? [21:59]
benkay which is "better": 1) woman that does whatever you say. 2) woman that is your intellectual equal and participates favorably in your life // false dichotomy [22:00]
mircea_popescu benkay his. [22:00]
benkay looky here i say "we're moving to argentina", we move to argentina. [22:00]
mike_c i didn't present it as 2 of 2 choices [22:00]
mike_c it's 2 of a million [22:00]
mircea_popescu http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken [22:00]
assbot Taken - The New Yorker [22:01]
mircea_popescu "United States v. One Pearl Necklace" [22:01]
benkay granted there's some yelling and "what about whelping near the g-p's", but at the end of the week the conversation is about which neighborhood in which to site up [22:01]
ThickAsThieves you cant debate people's love lives [22:01]
ThickAsThieves it's dumb [22:01]
benkay ThickAsThieves: this is -assets [22:01]
benkay debate all the things while testing in production [22:01]
mircea_popescu benkay and if you say "you eat your dogfood with your hands shackled behind your back and if you run into a hair there fu you eat it anyway and if it makes you vomit fu you'll lick it all up the floor and swallow it" ? [22:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves sure you can't debate it. why would something not be up for debate ? [22:02]
benkay that kinda stuff doesn't do much for me, mircea_popescu [22:02]
mircea_popescu benkay it does lots for her. [22:02]
ThickAsThieves cuz it implies one can win [22:02]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no itdoesn't. discussion and action are divorced topics, [22:02]
mircea_popescu not like one has to do anything on the strength of what ba said. [22:02]
benkay "get up at 7, make me coffee and bfast, sweep the apartment and then work out" is about the right load for lady v right now. [22:03]
mircea_popescu benkay you appreciate the point then. [22:03]
benkay right. [22:03]
benkay you don't go straight for the butthole w/no lube etc. [22:03]
benkay patience, etc. [22:03]
mircea_popescu not like it's a goal. [22:03]
mircea_popescu but still, wives are not slaves (and probably shouldn't generally be) [22:04]
benkay ("TOUCHDOWN") [22:04]
mircea_popescu the20year will miss the topic again be all butthurt [22:04]
benkay poor analogy. i'm not looking for pointless barrier. this is why wife needs to be of certain quality. // those with whom one spends ones time in general... [22:05]
benkay you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't. // everything is a fractal representation of something else [22:06]
benkay marriage, slavery, democracy, bitcoin... [22:06]
mircea_popescu benkay what do you mean by fractal [22:06]
benkay aight logged up! [22:06]
benkay representing at a smaller or larger scale something else smaller or larger than itself [22:07]
rithm fractal geometry usually [22:07]
benkay the leaf and the river delta [22:07]
benkay monarchy and god [22:07]
mircea_popescu you're not making sense. [22:07]
asciilifeform '...officers scoring personal bonuses of up to twenty-six thousand dollars a year, straight from the forfeiture fund. In Titus County, forfeiture pays the assistant district attorney’s entire salary. Farther south, in Johnson County, I came upon a sheriff’s office that had confiscated an out-of-state driver’s cash, in the absence of contraband...' [22:08]
rithm usually implies infinite zoom and levels where the original image is represented [22:08]
rithm chaos theory [22:08]
* benkay tags rithm in [22:08]
rithm butterflies in africa [22:08]
rithm i have a seirpinski triangle tattooed on my back! [22:08]
kakobrekla trampstamp? [22:09]
rithm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle [22:09]
assbot Sierpinski triangle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [22:09]
rithm that's probably one of the easier concepts to explain fractal geometry [22:09]
rithm because only 3 sides, not complex equations [22:09]
kakobrekla is it pointing towards the asshole? [22:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the highway robbery the us govt is conducting as a matter of course is well documented already, yes. [22:10]
mircea_popescu just one more symptom of decay [22:10]
rithm it's pointing to infinity and it's a repeating math funtion [22:10]
kakobrekla meh. [22:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, but it is odd to see it mentioned in the u.s. 'pravda'. [22:10]
rithm the more difficult the function, the more intricate the design [22:10]
rithm but usually fractal geometry is zooming in and seeing a portion of the orignal image [22:10]
rithm fwiw [22:10]
rithm geometries of repeating functions at scale [22:11]
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rithm you can add dimensions and then you get to talking about chaos [22:11]
mike_c i'm with ThickAsThieves. debating love is like debating religion. nobody is going to change their mind. [22:11]
benkay who said anything about love?! [22:12]
mike_c TaT did. [22:12]
rithm i understood benkay's statement [22:12]
jurov love peace happiness and slavery [22:13]
benkay ultimate responsibility for ones own actions drives lots of people insane, jurov [22:13]
benkay easier to pray, be told what to do by a "master" [22:13]
benkay see also the 12-steppers "higher power" [22:13]
mike_c asciilifeform: forfeiture quote source? [22:13]
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asciilifeform mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2014#769241 [22:14]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [22:14]
benkay "this conscious operator can't make good decisions, so let's create an alternative decisionmaker inaccessible to the operator to whom good decisionmaking is delegated" [22:14]
mike_c ah, sry [22:14]
mircea_popescu i'm with ThickAsThieves. debating love is like debating religion. nobody is going to change their mind. << the point oif the discussion is not to change mind. [22:14]
ThickAsThieves instead of love, generally debating matters of taste and emotion is meh [22:14]
mircea_popescu but why ? [22:14]
mike_c meh, you philosophers. why discuss if nobody learns anything and grows/changes? [22:15]
mircea_popescu how the hell is taste to emerge, if not from the public discussion of individual preference ? [22:15]
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mircea_popescu mike_c learning != changing mind. [22:15]
ThickAsThieves because each person has different value systems [22:15]
benkay oh i'm learning piles! [22:15]
ThickAsThieves and different biology [22:15]
mircea_popescu you can learn plenty without changing your mind. [22:15]
benkay more or less why i'm here... [22:15]
ThickAsThieves note my point of contention was the idea of a winner [22:15]
ThickAsThieves if you just want discourse, i agree it's healthy [22:15]
ThickAsThieves but no one is better or right [22:16]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i definitely don't propose there's a winner. the dispute of which is more complex a tool does not map on the discussion of which is a better tool. [22:16]
mike_c well, perhaps love is different. with religion, nobody will accept any learning because they are too invested in their current system. [22:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c this is false on its face. i'm a religious scholar. [22:16]
kakobrekla both is scam. [22:16]
mike_c a religious scholar is entirely different from a religiuos person [22:16]
ThickAsThieves it's all scams [22:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c your contention was "discussing religion" [22:16]
mike_c go teach danielpbarron *anything* [22:16]
benkay lovecoin a scam? [22:17]
mircea_popescu lol what did he do [22:17]
mircea_popescu benkay coin a lovescam. [22:17]
mike_c to expand: discussing differing religious viewpoints. [22:17]
mike_c this is different from discussing religious matters that you do not personally hold. [22:18]
ThickAsThieves not the same as love [22:18]
mircea_popescu mike_c we're not discussing religious viewpoints, nor are we doing the equivalent for fuckpreferences. [22:18]
ThickAsThieves you can be wrong [22:18]
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mike_c holy pedantics. [22:18]
mircea_popescu we are discussing something much broader than that, specifically the limits of agency, human knowledge and so on. [22:18]
mike_c who is "we"? we are having a discussion about whether you can discuss things [22:18]
mircea_popescu you and me, earlier, re slaves. [22:18]
mircea_popescu an' wives. [22:19]
ThickAsThieves we're meta silly now, debating whether we can debate [22:19]
ThickAsThieves sorry! [22:19]
mike_c were those not viewpoints that we personally hold? not simply ideas? [22:19]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i blame you [22:19]
mircea_popescu mike_c whether we hold them or not is irrelevant in that context. [22:19]
mircea_popescu the discussion was proceeding on the strength of what can be [22:20]
mike_c not to my point though. which is that discussing personally held viewpoints about religion is an exercise in head-to-wall banging. [22:20]
mircea_popescu not if the people in question are scholars rather than believers. [22:20]
mike_c yes, agreed. [22:20]
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* mike_c high five [22:20]
ThickAsThieves no matter much trilema you read, the wife ain't gonna listen! [22:20]
kakobrekla doesnt even have to be belivers. [22:20]
mircea_popescu i have no particular reason to suspect you'd go nuts just because specific points you happen to be personally invested in turn out to be wrong or unsustainable. [22:21]
mircea_popescu otherwise, how's one to discuss investments ? [22:21]
mike_c more to the point, i am willing to accept that is possible [22:21]
mike_c religious believers are not [22:21]
mircea_popescu it'd be all "o, you can't talk good accountingpractices with people who own x stock" [22:21]
mircea_popescu well... depends now dunnit. [22:21]
mike_c religious believers will never "turn out to be wrong", so discussing is pointless [22:22]
mircea_popescu people have often done 180 degree about faces talking here. and those who can't gather on forum not here. so all's well, even if we are invested [22:22]
mike_c ^ not about religion. [22:22]
mircea_popescu money and sex. [22:22]
mircea_popescu religion is an afterthought. [22:22]
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mike_c more to the point, let's discuss whether debating discussion is a good idea ;) [22:24]
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mircea_popescu luckily, anything's ontopic in #bitcoin-assets [22:24]
mircea_popescu mostly because everything's the same thing anyway. [22:24]
mircea_popescu no matter much trilema you read, the wife ain't gonna listen! << this sounds like a cry for halp [22:25]
mircea_popescu !up the20year [22:25]
-assbot- You voiced the20year for 30 minutes. [22:25]
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mircea_popescu ;;ident the20year [22:25]
gribble Nick 'the20year', with hostmask 'the20year!~the20year@50.41.153.63', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None [22:25]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot the20year [22:26]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.153.63. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014 [22:26]
mircea_popescu the20year if you pm assbot !up what does itsay ? [22:26]
the20year (3:25:22 PM) Cannot send to channel [22:26]
mircea_popescu PM. [22:26]
the20year !up the20year [22:26]
mircea_popescu you gotta pm it. [22:26]
the20year ah [22:26]
the20year pm gribble? [22:27]
mircea_popescu assbot [22:27]
the20year k [22:27]
mike_c hey the20year. so your brother is HASH? [22:28]
the20year yes [22:28]
mike_c is he in the wot yet? [22:29]
the20year ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball [22:29]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013 [22:29]
mike_c ;;gettrust the20year mrstickball [22:29]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user the20year to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=the20year&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013 [22:29]
mike_c well that better not be him, you don't even trust that guy! [22:29]
the20year yeah, i need to issue him trust [22:30]
mircea_popescu the20year you and mrstickball_ are brothers ? [22:30]
the20year twins actually [22:30]
mircea_popescu uh. what ?! [22:30]
the20year i'm pretty sure we're a chubbier version of the winklevoss twins, younger and not connected to FB [22:30]
mircea_popescu did you ever pull a switch on a girl ? [22:31]
mike_c !up mrstickball_ [22:31]
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the20year nah , everyone assumes we have though [22:31]
the20year all the girls we know/have known could tell the difference [22:31]
mircea_popescu because if they had a twin they'd do it all the time. [22:31]
mrstickball_ mircea_popescu: yes? [22:31]
the20year usually it's family that gets confused [22:31]
mircea_popescu mrstickball_ hai. [22:31]
mike_c mrstickball_: you have any experience running a mining farm? [22:32]
benkay i'm pretty sure we're a chubbier version of the winklevoss twins, younger and not connected to FB // shorter too, indubitably [22:32]
mrstickball_ mike_c: yes [22:32]
the20year he does, i don't [22:32]
mike_c how big? [22:32]
mrstickball_ mike_c: primarily GPUs [22:32]
mircea_popescu twins are what, 4 ppm. so actually b-a has a statistically expected number of twins. [22:32]
mrstickball_ 25+ GPU rigs [22:32]
the20year i'd say about 20x50ft of gpus? [22:32]
mrstickball_ working on more ASIC deployment in the near future [22:33]
the20year don't forget the slaves he has in the shop working for him too [22:33]
mircea_popescu mrstickball_ can you code ? [22:33]
mrstickball_ not as well as I should [22:33]
mike_c this seems.. incredibly ambitious. you are going to manufacture & sell your own miners, and run a profitable mining farm. [22:33]
mircea_popescu mike_c chineze dood did it... [22:34]
the20year he's been extremely profitable on his own sales side, and has done decently running the farm [22:34]
mrstickball_ mike_c: Manufacture is down the road significantly [22:34]
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mrstickball_ Step 1 is more hardware sales and initial deployment of a larger ASIC-based facility [22:34]
the20year Step 2 is hire slaves [22:34]
mircea_popescu mrstickball_ hardware sales, as in gpus ? [22:35]
mike_c wives work harder [22:35]
mrstickball_ we've already grossed ~$1m USD in the past 12mo on hardware. Unfortunately, capital is a huge bottleneck [22:35]
the20year Well, i should say - more slaves [22:35]
mrstickball_ mircea_popescu: ASICs, and a lot of accessories [22:35]
mircea_popescu so what, you resell ? [22:35]
mrstickball_ generally, yes [22:35]
mike_c http://buyahash.com/ [22:35]
mrstickball_ we do have some custom-fabricated equipment [22:35]
assbot Bitcoin Mining Hardware | Asic Mining Hardware [22:35]
mircea_popescu so what's the biz model like, buy a bulk and sell by item ? [22:35]
mrstickball_ mircea_popescu: yes, generally [22:35]
mircea_popescu fluffypony makes racks and whatnot, if you need it [22:36]
mrstickball_ I've done a fair bit of business with Riccardo [22:36]
mrstickball_ very good guy [22:36]
fluffypony ;;rated mrstickball_ [22:36]
gribble You have not yet rated user mrstickball_ [22:36]
mircea_popescu ah, you know each other [22:36]
fluffypony ;;rated mrstickball [22:36]
gribble You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 18:13:39 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: runs buy-a-hash, which carries openrigs products, and have had several large financial interactions (purchases/sales). [22:36]
fluffypony :) [22:36]
mircea_popescu dash threw me :p [22:36]
fluffypony das WoT! [22:36]
mrstickball_ Yes. fluffypony bought a few dozen risers off of me ages ago [22:36]
mircea_popescu now all we really need is for someone to implement the wol pow. [22:37]
fluffypony Proof of WoT! [22:37]
mrstickball_ hardware sales in the US is extremely lucrative [22:37]
mrstickball_ no one does a good job of it. That's why we're working on capital to get a larger building and control a larger portion of the market [22:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00082185 = 12.6154 BTC [+] [22:38]
kakobrekla i read that, i think herbalife. [22:38]
kakobrekla lol [22:38]
the20year or walmart [22:38]
mrstickball_ lol [22:38]
the20year They're just a dirty reseller too [22:39]
mrstickball_ kakobrekla: when we announced that we had S3's in stock, we made $5,000 in 8 minutes [22:39]
mike_c mrstickball_: why such low profit margins? [22:39]
mike_c $40k on $1m? [22:39]
mrstickball_ mike_c: bit higher than that after expenses, ect [22:39]
mrstickball_ probably closer to $75-100k after all overhead. One issue that we had was some of our merchant processors have screwed us over [22:40]
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the20year mircea_popescu: how are those bitcoin flyers coming along? [22:40]
mike_c interesting. lots of fiat sales? [22:40]
mrstickball_ + we reinvest in inventory very frequently, so profits don't always show up on the books very quickly. I have $25,000 worth of risers behind my desk [22:40]
mrstickball_ mike_c: yes. That is our primary angle [22:40]
mrstickball_ we're willing to engage in fiat sales for crypto hardware. Most companies can't navigate that well [22:41]
mike_c heh, including you so far :) if you're having processing problems [22:41]
mircea_popescu the20year iirc nubbins said august ? [22:41]
mrstickball_ most customers are willing to pay a 10-15% premium if your company is willing to do with fiat [22:41]
the20year Alright, cool [22:41]
mrstickball_ mike_c: that was last year. We've had those fixed for months. But CC processors are essentially criminals that can hold your money for up to 6 months [22:41]
mike_c well good luck with IPO [22:41]
the20year How much $$ was lost last year in processing fraud and that whole gambit? $25k? [22:42]
kakobrekla on a side note, my intel tells me altchains are suffering - noone is hashing. i would expect non asic stuff will take time to sell. [22:42]
mrstickball_ mike_c: thanks. It will be interesting [22:42]
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mrstickball_ kakobrekla: that is correct. Back in January, during the last big GPU rush, we were trying to beat the Chinese on sales [22:42]
mrstickball_ there was a period of time we were pushing $5,000/day in riser sales with a 100-300% profit margin [22:42]
the20year On a good note, I had a very positive call today from a bank to wants to lend to rentalstarter [22:43]
mrstickball_ Unfortunately, when Chinese New Years hit, our factory (and every other) went down. Seemingly when they came back up, some factories re-evaluated their position to move to direct-sales and hurt us a bit [22:43]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla altchains are kinda doomed [22:43]
fluffypony great logo: http://i.imgur.com/n9vBs60.jpg [22:43]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu its not news to me [22:43]
mrstickball_ the vast majority of alts have no purpose and no reason to exist [22:44]
kakobrekla i told fluffy this will happen months ago [22:44]
mircea_popescu a little attrition is a great thing anyway. [22:44]
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mrstickball_ I wonder which ones survive... I am kind of sad to see Curecoin being so terrible when they were getting a lot of attention for curing cancer [22:44]
kakobrekla ;;s shrani [22:45]
gribble Error: "s" is not a valid command. [22:45]
kakobrekla !s shrani [22:45]
assbot 0 results for 'shrani' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shrani [22:45]
kakobrekla meh [22:45]
kakobrekla mrstickball_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767022 [22:45]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [22:45]
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mircea_popescu a small amount of fail. [22:45]
mrstickball_ wow [22:46]
the20year maybe those itty bitty transactions will grow to big people one day [22:46]
mrstickball_ I had no idea those coins were so dire [22:46]
mrstickball_ I knew quark was dying, but that bad? Wow [22:46]
mrstickball_ I had a friend cash out of it back in the glory days. We CPU mined a few hundred thousand [22:46]
mrstickball_ but I sold them, thinking they would never go anywhere [22:47]
kakobrekla 'bolje prvi na vasi kakor zadnji v mestu' they say. [22:48]
fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/87isRF1.jpg [22:50]
mrstickball_ very true [22:50]
mrstickball_ I had a friend that made about $3,000 off of it on a single PC [22:50]
ThickAsThieves where can i find the date of each diff change? [22:51]
mrstickball_ sure [22:51]
mrstickball_ https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty [22:51]
assbot Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom [22:51]
kakobrekla in your local blockchain file tat [22:51]
mircea_popescu fluffypony lol why not market it as a soup stirrer [22:51]
mrstickball_ look at the bottom, below the charts. Its not comprehensive, but goes back a few months [22:51]
mrstickball_ So what fun things are you up to, ThickAsThieves ? [22:51]
ThickAsThieves thx! [22:52]
mrstickball_ Also, is anyone going to Cryptolina in North Carolina? [22:52]
ThickAsThieves me, i read tea leaves mostly [22:52]
mrstickball_ Very interesting. I can't stand tea [22:53]
mircea_popescu !s netflix [22:53]
assbot 63 results for 'netflix' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=netflix [22:53]
ThickAsThieves i go back and forth [22:53]
ThickAsThieves !s nflx [22:53]
assbot 14 results for 'nflx' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nflx [22:53]
mircea_popescu basically hes' been mostly doing netflix these days. getting fat on teh couch [22:53]
ThickAsThieves coffee mode lately [22:53]
mrstickball_ FWIW, if anyone is going to that conference, I'll gladly take them out for dinner as a member of #bitcoin-assets [22:55]
ThickAsThieves not a fan of NC [22:55]
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mrstickball_ its been a long time since I've been there [22:57]
mrstickball_ hi bitcoinpete [22:57]
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bitcoinpete howdy mrstickball_ [22:58]
bitcoinpete who are you again? [22:58]
mrstickball_ my name is Ben [22:58]
bitcoinpete and what do you do, Ben? [22:59]
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mircea_popescu do we mostly have bens here ? [23:00]
BingoBoingo %t [23:00]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 230 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 78k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 209 [23:00]
mrstickball_ run a business [23:00]
mrstickball_ I think you were talking about it yesterday [23:00]
mrstickball_ HASH [23:00]
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bitcoinpete ey no way [23:01]
mrstickball_ yeah [23:01]
bitcoinpete the new havelock thingy [23:01]
mrstickball_ Correct [23:01]
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bitcoinpete so if i understand correctly, you're buying and selling mining equipment on ebay, mining on your own, and you need to ipo because… ? [23:02]
mircea_popescu ;;google mo money mo money have a look an' here we go [23:03]
gribble Mo' money, mo' problems, not how I see, huh – Paperbond: ; NOTORIOUS B.I.G. LYRICS - Mo Money Mo Problems - A-Z Lyrics: ; Mo Money Mo Problems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message) [23:03]
bitcoinpete notorious would've loved bitcoin ipos: mo of other people's money and no problems! [23:04]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgPTkIulEI [23:05]
assbot Mad Men: The Best Things in Life Are Free - Bert Cooper - YouTube [23:05]
pankkake http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bozou/fanboi_mods_remove_uncomfortable_facts_about/ [23:05]
assbot Fanboi mods remove uncomfortable facts about Peter Todd within minutes : Buttcoin [23:05]
ThickAsThieves ;;google OPP [23:05]
gribble O.P.P. (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urban Dictionary: OPP: ; O.P.P. - Naughty By Nature (HQ Audio) - YouTube: [23:05]
bitcoinpete mrstickball_: are you a regular reader of the logs then? [23:06]
ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [23:06]
gribble Current Blocks: 312469 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 10 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 28 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18755529721.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.18636 [23:06]
bitcoinpete cuz we mention all kinds of people and they rarely show up [23:06]
bitcoinpete personally, having anthony or vitalik here would be shweeeet [23:06]
bitcoinpete watching them try to explain wtf a "smart contract" even is… [23:07]
bitcoinpete maybe we should make them a sexy video? [23:07]
ThickAsThieves !up mrstickball_ [23:08]
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mrstickball_ thank you! [23:08]
ThickAsThieves np [23:08]
mike_c they don't deserve a video [23:08]
mrstickball_ Re: Your question about capital [23:09]
mrstickball_ or the IPO, rather [23:09]
BingoBoingo %ob [23:09]
atcbot 30k@278 18k@242 42k@239 | 60k@210 45k@201 400k@199 [23:09]
mrstickball_ I/we have enough capital to continue ad-nauseum at about $100k of inventory. The problem is that we cannot grow beyond that, because of overhead (paying 2 employees, a building, ect) [23:09]
mrstickball_ Given the track record of how we've sold products, the belief is that more capital can be assigned to leverage better deals with manufacturers, and simply do more business, since the overhead and other costs are static at this point [23:10]
mrstickball_ additionally, it turns out that our HQ is a few miles away from one of the largest PC retailers in the US - Micro Center [23:11]
mrstickball_ they want crypto products, and want us to supply them. But we can't swing $250,000 of inventory on a net-30 payment model [23:11]
mrstickball_ especially when our margins to them are about 10% after packaging and logistics costs [23:11]
mircea_popescu mrstickball_ yeah but i mean... so then why commit suicide with havelock lol [23:12]
mrstickball_ because I couldn't commit suicide with you, Mr Popescu :-) [23:12]
BingoBoingo http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58213328-78/byrge-police-wrote-candidate.html.csp [23:12]
assbot Legislative candidate faces kidnapping, assault charges | The Salt Lake Tribune [23:12]
BingoBoingo If a candidate for the legislature can pistol whip a motherfucker for not paying their pain pill debt... [23:13]
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bitcoinpete @slushcz: I'm so overworked that I even cannot celebrate that we've shipped all #bitcoin #trezor preorders few moments ago. [23:14]
mrstickball_ bitcoinpete: congrats! [23:14]
mrstickball_ who are you using to get the trezor's shipped out with? [23:15]
bitcoinpete mrstickball_: a see, i'm not slushcz… https://twitter.com/slushcz/status/492748527689547776 [23:15]
BingoBoingo bitcoinpete =/= Slush [23:15]
mrstickball_ my apologies [23:15]
mircea_popescu poor slush. [23:15]
mrstickball_ I figured you were famous, and assumed it was you, bitcoinpete [23:16]
bitcoinpete mrstickball_: not at all. i haven't produced anything more tangible than a blog. slush sold $200 dongles for 2btc each [23:16]
mrstickball_ Crazy [23:16]
bitcoinpete mrstickball_: famous? me? only in the 1% ;) [23:17]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete they sold for 2 btc long ago tho neh ? [23:18]
bitcoinpete last summer iirc [23:18]
rithm there's a 1%? [23:18]
mrstickball_ I can't imagine fab costs on that [23:18]
mrstickball_ $10? $20? [23:19]
bitcoinpete 12 months ago *is* a pretty long time… [23:19]
mrstickball_ maybe $25 with the fancy LCD screen [23:19]
bitcoinpete maybe he broke the bank on all dat entropeez [23:19]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete in fairness a year ago btc was what, less than $100 [23:19]
mrstickball_ about $75 [23:20]
mrstickball_ Its about at the bottom of the post-April crash [23:20]
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bitcoinpete $90 a year ago today [23:21]
mrstickball_ ah [23:21]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-myth-of-the-us-social-mobility/ [23:21]
bitcoinpete at last... [23:21]
chetty http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10982423/British-students-vagina-pants-are-anatomically-correct.html [23:23]
assbot British student's vagina pants are anatomically correct - Telegraph [23:23]
bitcoinpete mrstickball_: contact says you're in hk… https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=HASH [23:24]
assbot Havelock Investments [23:24]
mrstickball_ company is in HK. I am the POC for the US side of things [23:25]
mircea_popescu chetty im pretty sure ovaries are higher in the girl [23:25]
mircea_popescu that'd be her hip. [23:25]
mircea_popescu mrstickball_ person of color ? [23:26]
chetty looks about right to me [23:26]
mrstickball_ not that I am aware of, mircea_popescu [23:27]
mircea_popescu chetty the acetabulum is exactly directly under where the ovary's painted. [23:27]
mircea_popescu mrstickball_ well then what, piece of cake ? are you in film ? [23:27]
mrstickball_ I am not sure what you're getting at? [23:28]
mircea_popescu ;;ud poc [23:28]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poc | poc. people of color, as in everybody except caucasians. Why is economic and political power in the hands of white folks if poc together make a majority? [23:28]
mrstickball_ ah, sorry [23:28]
mrstickball_ point of contact [23:28]
mrstickball_ My mind is not fully with me. Not enough sleep last night [23:29]
mircea_popescu what's a point of contact do ? [23:29]
mrstickball_ answer questions/deal with whatever needs to be done [23:30]
mircea_popescu ic. [23:32]
mircea_popescu lulz of the day : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw [23:33]
assbot George Bernard Shaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [23:33]
mircea_popescu according to wikipedia, shaw was "an ardent socialist". [23:33]
chetty wasnt he a founder of the Fabians? [23:34]
mrstickball_ Thomas Sowell has a lot of great Shaw quotes in his books [23:34]
mircea_popescu ahh looking forward to some bitcoin history rewriting of our own. didja know obama was an ardent elitist ? [23:34]
mircea_popescu heard it here first. [23:34]
mircea_popescu chetty guy was an ardent NATIONAL socialist. that's a nazi. [23:34]
mrstickball_ but he was on the side of the good-guy nazis [23:35]
mrstickball_ not the bad-guy nazis [23:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 78 @ 0.014889 = 1.1613 BTC [+] [23:35]
chetty eh if it ends in 'ist' its a bad idea [23:35]
mircea_popescu right right. [23:36]
mircea_popescu i had no idea libertards had progressed past being embarassed by the fact that nobody in the classical period agreed with their nonsense into outright claiming they did. [23:37]
mircea_popescu to hear stalin tell it, lenin was not only a major stalinist but he didn't think much of trotski either. [23:37]
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chetty eh Obama has been claiming Regan would have agreed with him lately [23:38]
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mircea_popescu im sure everyone's in agreement with obama : change is now imperatively necessary. [23:38]
benkay only change i want is bear market now [23:38]
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BingoBoingo benkay> only change i want is beer market now << FTFY [23:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.01495592 = 0.6281 BTC [-] {2} [23:42]
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mircea_popescu there is a beer market. [23:44]
chetty Pres Obama supports letting Central Americans apply for US refugee status in their home countries, rather than taking a dangerous journey. [23:45]
benkay mircea_popescu: is there a microbrew market in bsas? [23:45]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. not much of a beer guy myself. [23:46]
benkay yeah, i can tell. [23:46]
mircea_popescu what gave it away ben ? [23:46]
benkay ew don't call me that [23:46]
benkay uh the constant harping on cognac and champagne? [23:47]
mircea_popescu you know every time someone misses a tab you'll be ben instead of benkay [23:48]
chetty http://thesaurus.com/browse/obstructionist [23:48]
assbot Obstructionist Synonyms, Obstructionist Antonyms | Thesaurus.com [23:48]
benkay guess i'm due for a nick change then [23:49]
mircea_popescu chetty i dunno, i thought obstructionist is someone who opposes a process for emotional rather than rational reasons. [23:49]
mircea_popescu The fluffy pony community is divided into two communities: abuse and hugbox. Abusers are people who often write stories or draw pictures of fluffy ponies being tortured and often killed by being attacked by humans, being attacked by animals, burning to death with fire or acid, getting cut in half, drowning, etc. These abusers often attack fluffy ponies because of their low intelligence, bratty and childlike personality [23:50]
mircea_popescu , physical weakness, destruction of harvest, and overpopulation. Fluffy Ponies can often die from their own stupidity such as falling off a cliff when attempting to fly, getting run over by a car because they thought it was a friend, eating bad foods, etc. Some abusers often abuse fluffy ponies as if they were clearing out a vermin infestation, while others abuse them for bad deeds such as defecating at the wrong place [23:50]
mircea_popescu (bad poopies) or a mare killing their own baby because of being born a runt (bad babbeh). Abusers consist of the majority of the site Fluffybooru with Ginger_Fig, Mwike, and deathproofpony being the most notable examples. [23:50]
mircea_popescu holy shit sherlock! [23:51]
chetty its just the newspeak definiton of obstructionist, anybody that doesn't agree with libtards [23:52]
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benkay lol i just checked my bitbet referral addr [23:58]
benkay maybe i should resume blogging [23:58]
chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btau4jfIQAAYTot.jpg [23:59]
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