Forum logs for 26 Jul 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
pankkake "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" for a almost text only static blog, lol [00:00]
pankkake lol, with that reactor on top, right [00:00]
pankkake this always cracks me up by the way [00:02]
assbot Chicken gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [00:02]
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mircea_popescu benkay why did you stop anyway [00:05]
benkay !s benkay blog [00:06]
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benkay [00:06]
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mircea_popescu if that' sthe case you'r doing something wrong. [00:07]
benkay yeah? [00:07]
benkay what's the right way to do it? [00:08]
mircea_popescu i think so yeah. [00:08]
mircea_popescu well now that i dunno. [00:08]
mike_c 1) make blog 2) slap on btcalpha bitbet referral image 3) retire [00:08]
mike_c just ask TaT [00:08]
benkay mike_c: that's where this conversation started. [00:09]
benkay lol i just checked my bitbet referral addr [00:09]
benkay maybe i should resume blogging [00:09]
benkay [00:09]
benkay mircea_popescu: [00:09]
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mike_c your referral addy got some hits or dried up? i was confused. [00:09]
benkay got some coins dumped into it [00:11]
mike_c nice [00:11]
benkay yeah [00:11]
mircea_popescu pigeons: my stocks went down too, but the price doesn't matter, i'll just take a temporary loss and not sell. how long is temporary? << you don't understand what loss means in this context. [00:11]
mircea_popescu anyone ever is thrilled to take a taxable-income-loss. [00:11]
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moiety ThickAsThieves: omg does it really sound like i say cunt?! D; [00:13]
mircea_popescu mike_c very well known, 2004 : 2008 : [00:14]
assbot BBC NEWS | Technology | Passwords revealed by sweet deal [00:14]
assbot Women love chocolate more than password security The Register [00:14]
mircea_popescu funny how this never comes up in discussions about "women in tech" [00:14]
mircea_popescu artifexd: I come back from Ecuador and realize that they just banned bitcoin entirely because they're going to make their own cryptocurrency. I guess my wife was right all along when she said Correa was a dumb ass. <<< let the kids have their fun. [00:15]
chetty well I bet males give up passwords pretty easy too, just different incentives [00:16]
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mike_c ah. this is a good point. chocolate is just wrong bait. [00:16]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: lots of text for 1btc. << funny how little money the vocal periphery actually controls. [00:16]
mircea_popescu peter schif and amgi metals are worth 1 disposable btc ? lulzk. [00:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c this is factually true. no govt drone ever kept a secret when tits were nude on the table. [00:17]
mike_c oldest spy trick in the book [00:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, gold btc price bets don't seem to garner much interest these days [00:19]
assbot BitBet - BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold before November :: 0.19 B (37%) on Yes, 0.32 B (63%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 74`918 (100`000 to 1) [00:19]
mircea_popescu i guess schiff / macaskill can claim moar bet volume than bitbet on that one lol. [00:19]
mircea_popescu o, nm, there's more [00:20]
assbot BitBet - BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold :: 1.04 B (80%) on Yes, 0.26 B (20%) on No | closing in 9 months 1 week| weight: 92`472 (100`000 to 1) [00:20]
mircea_popescu awell. [00:20]
mike_c nobody on bitbet would be dumb enough to bet on gold against btc in 5 years [00:20]
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mircea_popescu it's a hedge i guess. [00:21]
mike_c it's 80% yes on a 9 month bet [00:21]
mircea_popescu "Rather, the decline is cyclical and as the economy improves, Furman said, millennial headship rates will improve, which could translate into eventual ownership." <<< ahahaha no fucking way. [00:21]
mircea_popescu what headship ? millenials want to live in herds, as slaves, with a master. [00:22]
mircea_popescu this is what subreddits are all about. [00:22]
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mircea_popescu five to ten young men in a living unit, three to six young women. [00:22]
benkay i don't know anyone my age who seriously thinks they'll be buying a house anywhere anytime soon [00:22]
mircea_popescu benkay that's not even it. HEADSHIP. [00:22]
mircea_popescu you know what that is ? [00:22]
benkay nfc [00:22]
mircea_popescu ok, lemme clue you in. [00:23]
benkay leadership summat? [00:23]
benkay please [00:23]
mircea_popescu headship is the internalised delusion that it is worth your while to regard the world so that if a water pipe breaks you pay for it to be fixed. [00:23]
mircea_popescu rather than shrug and call the landlord. [00:23]
mircea_popescu basically, it's like being a parent, except for no benefit and much more upfront expenditure of skill and resources. [00:23]
mike_c kakobrekla: updating hourly now. [00:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00082266 = 29.698 BTC [+] {2} [00:24]
benkay wth [00:24]
benkay who does that [00:24]
mircea_popescu benkay your parents, and other idiots thatr age. [00:24]
mircea_popescu this is why headship is so impoirtant in discussions of "economy" on the govt side : [00:24]
BingoBoingo !mpif [00:25]
mircea_popescu the headship count is a rough proxy for how much money the govt could steal in ap inh [00:25]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-] [00:25]
benkay hang on headship applies if you own as well? [00:25]
mircea_popescu in a pinch* [00:25]
mike_c what did jurov mean before? "jurov:mircea_popescu: looks like the F.MPIF perpetrator wants to withdraw" [00:25]
mircea_popescu benkay well yes. you "own" it so here's what the govt wants from you now. [00:25]
mircea_popescu a) that you go fight in iraq ; b) that you pay for X Y Z [00:25]
mircea_popescu c) that you so and so. [00:25]
mircea_popescu mike_c i took it to mean that he wants deposits flushed. [00:25]
mircea_popescu if he didn't, tough for him. [00:25]
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mike_c ah ah. i thought somebody was trying to back out of a trade (which is obviously silly) [00:26]
mircea_popescu i have nfi how that'd work lol. [00:26]
* benkay is so confused [00:26]
mike_c yes, hence my confusion when you said you were on it :) [00:26]
jurov mike_c certain dude who sold mpif did it on coinbr [00:27]
jurov and wanted to withdraw [00:27]
mike_c i get it now. i was like "there's a mpex undo button??" [00:27]
jurov since it was quite a sum, i proceeded to withdraw directly from mpex [00:27]
jurov and then asked mircea to flush [00:27]
mircea_popescu share with the group benkay . [00:28]
BingoBoingo !up fats_cd03 [00:29]
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jurov we have this variety speak with mircea [00:29]
fats_cd03 hi qts [00:30]
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mircea_popescu and no one understands it when they read their morning logs. [00:30]
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mike_c benkay: somebody dumped mpif to way below nav earlier today. [00:30]
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mircea_popescu mike_c well, "Way below" in sanity land. in bitcoin... shit on havelock';s been trading 50-60% nav, so... [00:30]
mircea_popescu 10% no big deal. [00:30]
benkay mike_c: yeah, i saw that. [00:31]
mike_c yes. just selling 1 btc for 0.9 btc always strikes me as nuts. i guess if you need the liquidity. [00:31]
benkay mircea_popescu: i'm still confused about 'headship'. how is it a measure for pinchable assets? and how is fixing a pipe in a house you're paying the mortgage on a foolish thing? [00:31]
mircea_popescu benkay why would you be paying the upkeep of something you don't own ? [00:32]
mircea_popescu basically the us has been degrading ownership over the past decades [00:32]
mircea_popescu the attractiveness of ownership is slowly following [00:32]
mircea_popescu and they're trying to come to terms with this. [00:32]
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nubbins` but without ownership, there cannot be pride! [00:33]
mircea_popescu why not ? reddit gold and karma. [00:34]
nubbins` flim-flammery! [00:34]
mircea_popescu l'enfer c'est l'autres, no ? [00:34]
nubbins` oui, c'est trop vrai [00:34]
benkay the thesis is that because there's no alloidal title in the us, one doesn't actually own the place? [00:35]
benkay mircea_popescu: [00:35]
nubbins` protip: read this line and its two predecessors in reverse order [00:36]
nubbins` !b 3 [00:36]
mircea_popescu benkay as compared to the rights and privileges ownership conferred upon your grandfather, ownership confers nothing much to you today. [00:36]
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mircea_popescu consequently, every able bodied male in your grandfather's age group tried desperately to own. [00:36]
mircea_popescu comparatively, your peers don't give a shit. [00:36]
benkay ah [00:37]
nubbins` giving up 'nothing much' in favor of 'nothing' :o [00:37]
mircea_popescu they measure how much of a shit your peers give under "headship" [00:37]
chetty we live in a disposable world, whats the point in owning trash [00:37]
fluffypony this is seriously impressive: [00:37]
assbot Assassin's Creed Unity Meets Parkour in Real Life - 4K! - YouTube [00:37]
mircea_popescu and the difference between real value and actual headship is how much actual value (not printed dollars) "they have" stashed away in that particular accumulator. [00:37]
mircea_popescu benkay consider the reverse of this situation : during the azn crisis in the 2000s, people were queing up to donate their privately held gold to prop the centra lbank. [00:38]
mircea_popescu that's headship. [00:38]
mircea_popescu there's a very fine equilibrium between how popular a government is and how much support it can muster. [00:39]
mircea_popescu as things stand right now, if someone could somehow be bothered to invade, the us would simply collapse and that's that. [00:39]
chetty would anyone give the FED a dime? [00:40]
mircea_popescu would any of the people who target practice use their arms on the invaders or on the feds ? [00:40]
chetty enie meanie miny moe [00:41]
mircea_popescu no wonder gun ownership is perceioved as such a problem. [00:41]
mircea_popescu sure in an idealised, us-centric world as the naive represent thngs to be, a well armed citizenry is the guarantee and bla bla. [00:41]
mircea_popescu but in the real world of real politik, an armed opressed populace is fucking dangerous, it'll side with the enemy. [00:41]
fluffypony benkay / anyone else - if you come across someone really, really junior who has the barest smattering of C / C++ and is keen on a testing role that can grow into a dev role, please let me know [00:42]
mircea_popescu someone was actually doing hr for a living, lemme see here. [00:42]
benkay fluffypony: how many hours/wk, at what rate? [00:43]
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fluffypony benkay: rate is negotiable, but I'm expecting junior junior;) I'd expect a weekly commitment of 15 - 40 hours [00:43]
benkay this is for a coin thing? [00:44]
fluffypony it's for two unrelated projects [00:44]
benkay ;;ticker [00:44]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 599.02, Best ask: 600.78, Bid-ask spread: 1.76000, Last trade: 600.78, 24 hour volume: 5045.56318982, 24 hour low: 592.97, 24 hour high: 609.65, 24 hour vwap: 600.697679446 [00:44]
benkay ;;calc 1*[ticker] [00:44]
gribble Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) [00:44]
benkay ;;calc 1*[;;ticker] [00:44]
gribble Error: ";;ticker" is not a valid command. [00:44]
benkay dafuq does this thing want [00:45]
benkay fluffypony: by junior junior i imagine you want sub 0.1 B/hr [00:46]
fluffypony benkay: yes [00:46]
mike_c ;;calc 1 * [ticker --last] [00:46]
gribble 599.02 [00:46]
fluffypony mike_c has the magic touch [00:46]
mike_c although it probably wanted you to multiply by 1 in your head [00:46]
benkay ;;calc 1 * [ticker] [00:46]
gribble Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) [00:46]
mircea_popescu benkay 0.01 should be enough for anyone. [00:46]
benkay well it was for the syntax, not the calculation, mike_c [00:47]
benkay six bucks/hr, mircea_popescu ? [00:47]
mircea_popescu benkay fiverrr [00:47]
mike_c i think it was thestringpuller that was always using calc for stuff like x / 100 :) [00:47]
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benkay ;;bc24hrprc [00:48]
gribble Error: "bc24hrprc" is not a valid command. [00:48]
benkay bah [00:48]
benkay anyways [00:48]
benkay i got mouths to feed [00:48]
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BingoBoingo [00:48]
assbot Russia Posts $110,000 Bounty For Cracking Tor's Privacy - Slashdot [00:48]
jurov !up Lycerion [00:48]
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mike_c ;;bc,24hprc [00:48]
gribble 602.03 [00:48]
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mircea_popescu surprising literally no one. [00:49]
benkay thanks, mike_c [00:49]
penguirker New blog post: [00:49]
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mircea_popescu !up mus1cb0x [00:50]
-assbot- You voiced mus1cb0x for 30 minutes. [00:50]
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mus1cb0x hiya [00:50]
mircea_popescu ello. [00:50]
mike_c fluffypony: i might know a student interested in that deal. you want 15 hrs or 40 hrs? cuz he wouldn't have 40. [00:50]
fluffypony mike_c: it's up to what they can commit - I'm happy with a part time role as long as they stay commited and active [00:51]
mike_c ok, i will enquire. what's the range on pay [00:52]
mike_c or the low end, or whatever [00:52]
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fluffypony mike_c: tough to say - I'd be expecting the BTC equivalent of anything from $10 to $15 hourly [00:53]
mike_c k [00:54]
mircea_popescu ;;seen RagnarDanneskjol [00:54]
gribble RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: Sachs is the Bono of economics - LOL [00:54]
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mircea_popescu that long huh. [00:54]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Wait, what are you hiring? [00:54]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol [00:54]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:54]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: tester [00:54]
mircea_popescu !up Mantrid [00:55]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: Like for your dildoes, your wife... what's being tested? [00:55]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: software tester, obviously, why would a dildo tester need to know a smattering of C / C++ :-P [00:55]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: to make sure the dildo doesn't smash its stack on exceptions [00:56]
fluffypony hah hah [00:56]
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fluffypony depends on if we're using it as a back massager [00:56]
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mircea_popescu . Among the top cities that may see a surge are Austin and Dallas in Texas, as well as Denver and Des Moines, Iowa. [00:58]
mircea_popescu des moines ? srsly ? [00:58]
mircea_popescu "i wanna move to des moines" said nobody ever. [00:59]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [00:59]
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mircea_popescu this nuanced view is so nuanced it's about to collapse into a nuancelingularity. [00:59]
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BingoBoingo Well Des Moines is prolly the only place to move if you want to be a gay married pig farmer... [01:00]
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bitcoinpete sounds like the last refuge of the sane american [01:01]
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mike_c it's all about percentages. des moines goes from 10 to 11 and population increased 10%! [01:02]
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mircea_popescu 10 to 11 whats ? [01:02]
BingoBoingo ;;google spinal tap [01:03]
gribble Spinal Tap Fan Site and This is Spinal Tap: ; Spinal Tap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Spinal Tap (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [01:03]
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benkay turn it up to eleven! [01:15]
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bitcoinpete ;;bc,stats [01:16]
gribble Current Blocks: 312481 | Current Difficulty: 1.8736441558310238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 314495 | Next Difficulty In: 2014 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 6 hours, 43 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24871389581.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 32.7434 [01:16]
decimation lol from asciilifeform's millenial housing link: "At the same time, there?s good reason to believe that millennials, those ages 18 to 34, aren't that different from other generations and will pick up their purchasing before too long ", then the article proceeds to list reasons why they won't purchase [01:17]
decimation most of the "wealth" in the major metro areas is actually held in the housing stock [01:18]
decimation I wonder what percentage of households in say DC would be able to purchase their own home (assuming they didn't have their "house wealth) [01:18]
mircea_popescu 1% [01:18]
mircea_popescu !up bitspill [01:19]
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mircea_popescu who spilled da bits ? [01:19]
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decimation note that the areas that have increasing millennial home-buying are all low-cost areas that have escaped bezzle inflation: "Among the top cities that may see a surge are Austin and Dallas in Texas, as well as Denver and Des Moines, Iowa. " [01:21]
mircea_popescu yup [01:21]
decimation note those cities largely lack gov't jobs, and lack the primary patrons of bezzle money (big finance, welfare, defense contractors) [01:22]
mircea_popescu yup [01:22]
bitcoinpete [01:22]
assbot The myth of the US social mobility. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:22]
decimation so we have a situation where people living in Bethesda have kids who have to move to Kansas because the people in Bethesda don't want to admit that they are poor [01:23]
decimation it's apparently easier to have your kids leave you than to admit that you suck [01:23]
mircea_popescu yup [01:23]
mircea_popescu i need a card. [01:23]
decimation heh [01:23]
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mircea_popescu us folk can't admit they suck andmore than classical japanese can admit emperor is a dumbass. [01:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 99 @ 0.01152426 = 1.1409 BTC [-] {8} [01:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 268 @ 0.00294999 = 0.7906 BTC [+] [01:25]
mircea_popescu but that aside, kids moving away is a good thing anyway. [01:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.00297716 = 0.7443 BTC [+] {3} [01:26]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: how so? [01:28]
bitcoinpete not that i disagree... [01:28]
mircea_popescu individuation happens with hardship. the point of fambly sticking together is to control hardship through approaching it a certain way, much like a ship approaches waves a certain way. [01:31]
mircea_popescu the bow is not the kids. [01:31]
mircea_popescu if the average lifespan (esp for males) is in the low 40s, then sticking together family is perfect : by the time father croaks, kids are just old enough to pick up the pieces. [01:32]
mircea_popescu with 50+ age expectancy, this model is disastrous, basically if humans were a functional species sexual maturity'd skip a generation altogethere. [01:32]
mircea_popescu lookl at the british crown : the fact that charles actually reached sexual maturity is to the detriment of everyone. [01:32]
mircea_popescu might as well skipped him went straight from lizzie to the kids. [01:32]
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benkay "the myth of US Social mobility is worse than mythical : it’s going the other way." // this is pretty well known among the 40-50 yo socialist set, and my generation seems to just accept it [01:37]
benkay "i'll die poor, what of it. let's have another pabst and talk about the latest pictures on instagram." [01:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 421 @ 0.0029775 = 1.2535 BTC [+] [01:38]
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decimation there's some truth to that mircea. I suspect that the nuclear family was probably a reaction to this very problem [01:39]
mircea_popescu decimation obv. [01:39]
mircea_popescu benkay "imposing your will on the environment is evil anwyay" [01:39]
mircea_popescu this would be why columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars. [01:39]
decimation The trouble is that in the case of the DC area, for instance, the parents also are taking up the economic opportunties [01:39]
benkay this would be why columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars. // pardon me? [01:40]
mircea_popescu benkay scroll down [01:40]
assbot Just how much do you know about washing diapers ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:40]
decimation only so many gov't and indirect gov't jobs, and they are handed out in a FILO queue [01:40]
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benkay i still don't understand. strips = stockings and stars = negroes? [01:44]
benkay just getting fucked hard? [01:44]
mircea_popescu well "seeing stars" is this you know, being hit [01:44]
benkay right i'm with you [01:44]
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benkay columbia standing in for america. getting blapped over the head and wearing welts? [01:45]
mircea_popescu i guess this isn't my best joke. [01:45]
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benkay or i'm retarded, take your pick. [01:46]
benkay maybe i'm just trying to get you to explain it and ruin teh lulz [01:47]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: opressed populace... it'll side with the enemy << who will invade usa? martians? and should they invade, for what purpose other than rounding up inhabitants for biodiesel? one might suppose folks would support usg over biodiesel harvesters? [02:08]
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asciilifeform tor prize << ad gone because prize claimed in five seconds. because contest was trivial. [02:11]
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asciilifeform columbia's wearing the stripes and seeing the stars << [02:12]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, will spend time learning more about shares / dividends and mpex and after that I'll probably drop a nice presentation / documentation link you way and see if we can figure something out that works for both of us [02:23]
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mircea_popescu DreadKnight not a bad idea. [02:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the arabs. because they're naive. [02:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so, can you picture an american faction siding with arabs ? [02:24]
DreadKnight r* [02:24]
mircea_popescu yep. [02:24]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, have you bothered with HoMM4 and the rest of the sequels? [02:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform happened once before you know ? how did they conquer ur ? [02:25]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight i tried them, for half a day. [02:25]
mircea_popescu pure crap. [02:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.01181222 = 1.1812 BTC [+] [02:26]
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mircea_popescu DreadKnight mostly for comments. [02:27]
assbot Eroii pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:27]
DreadKnight mircea_popescu, good; will check that out [02:28]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, oh lols, seems it's one of your per fee articles, controversial approach for making money out of blogging :) [02:40]
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thestringpuller hmm [02:52]
moiety every friday freenode has a stroke it seems [02:57]
thestringpuller i don't think I've seen you in sex week moiety [02:58]
moiety lots going on thestringpuller how are things with you? [02:59]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, read the homm related comments, seen people defeating pretty much any neutral army without having many units of their own by exploiting the berserk spell in homm3, really OP, hypnotize can't compare overall; lame example [02:59]
assbot How to defeat the 3500 Naga Queens in HOMM3's Dragon Slayer campaign. - YouTube [02:59]
thestringpuller I'm very glad it is Friday. [02:59]
thestringpuller Will probably play video games while I intoxicate myself at the pub up the street. [02:59]
moiety youplay video games at the pub?! [03:00]
moiety i wanna go to that pub! [03:00]
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thestringpuller well there is an arcade pub, with old 90's arcade games scattered about. [03:02]
thestringpuller but the one I'm going to is a skateboard ride away. So I can get drunk as shit and skate home. [03:02]
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mircea_popescu yeah hypnotize is weak [03:08]
moiety sounds dangerous thestringpuller lol [03:09]
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mircea_popescu DreadKnight mass slow + berserk + blind on a hero with infinte mp and archers against a slow infantry -> carnage. [03:11]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, totally; still reading comments actually, I got a bit of nostalgia now :D nice to see lots of comments on your blog made by krossfire as well [03:17]
DreadKnight ok, finally done [03:18]
mircea_popescu you know vlad ? [03:19]
DreadKnight got the privilege to meet him back in the day I started getting into game development [03:20]
mircea_popescu smart guy. [03:20]
DreadKnight I wonder why he hasn't sticked with making games, he had quite a few decent prototypes done in pretty much no time [03:21]
mircea_popescu not much money into it ? [03:22]
DreadKnight :D [03:22]
DreadKnight back then it sure was the case for indie game devs [03:22]
DreadKnight now things are changing, more potential [03:22]
DreadKnight will try to catch up with him soon, it's been too long [03:23]
mircea_popescu i think he's still semi-active on his blog. [03:24]
DreadKnight has that issue for years afaik [03:24]
DreadKnight last time I talked to him about 2-3 years ago, I recall his latest game with the zeppelin that he wanted me to try [03:25]
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DreadKnight he seems to be more into tweeting that blogging nowadays xD [03:26]
DreadKnight than* [03:26]
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DreadKnight 4 blog posts this month, not bad [03:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 372 @ 0.00294989 = 1.0974 BTC [-] [03:45]
mike_c ;;tslb [03:53]
gribble Time since last block: 18 minutes and 20 seconds [03:53]
mike_c lazy miners [03:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13627 @ 0.0008217 = 11.1973 BTC [-] [04:33]
mircea_popescu mike_c << check out the ad. [04:41]
assbot Enlist! [04:41]
mike_c hah! nice. [04:41]
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mircea_popescu we're doing ~ 1.5mn impressions/hour atm. curious if it does anything. [04:42]
mike_c holy shit. that must be in a lot of places? [04:43]
mircea_popescu dunno if you like stuff like msp adventures ? [04:44]
assbot MS Paint Fan Adventures [04:44]
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mircea_popescu but yes, 100s of places. the web is a big hole. [04:45]
mike_c hopefully a big hole full of bitcoin [04:45]
mircea_popescu a hole is by definition empty. [04:45]
mike_c damnit [04:45]
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mircea_popescu anyway, oglaf for instance has close to 1% ctr atm [04:51]
mircea_popescu so counterintuitively the ads are actually good. [04:51]
asciilifeform ctr? [04:51]
mircea_popescu click through [04:54]
asciilifeform aha [04:54]
mircea_popescu this is unheard of, ctr was last 1% in 1998. [04:54]
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asciilifeform [04:56]
asciilifeform 'Canceling Kickstarter cancels the pledges, so nothing to return except an apology to those who pledged for Kickstarter's siphoning and selling their profile. (A fair number said this is why they would not participate in this or any other crowd-funding scam, that we should be ashamed of aiding and abetting the hustle.)' [04:57]
mircea_popescu well sure. [04:58]
mircea_popescu this is not spam tho, this is advertising. [04:59]
mircea_popescu $mpexlag [04:59]
mircea_popescu or what was it [04:59]
mircea_popescu $proxies [04:59]
mircea_popescu !proxies [04:59]
decimation remember the dumbass beats acquisition? yeah it was still dumb [04:59]
assbot Bose decides today IS F*** With Dre Day: Beats sued in patent spat The Register [04:59]
asciilifeform in my simple orkish minds, anything i have to switch off a filter to see is spam. but hey, who has never spammed. [05:00]
mircea_popescu lol [05:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you see the wol banner in the oglaf site ? (ab ove) ? [05:00]
asciilifeform well yes i do now. [05:00]
asciilifeform bose patent << are they also suing sony? or any of the 100 or so other manufacturers of antiphase audio gizmos ? [05:01]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform o you had to turn off a filter ? [05:02]
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decimation no, they are suing someone who has $3 bn [05:02]
asciilifeform 'adblock' plugin [05:02]
decimation lawsuits are only useful if there's blood to suck from the other party [05:02]
mike_c well, they are suing apple now right? [05:02]
decimation yep [05:02]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah i c. [05:03]
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* asciilifeform ashamed to admit, owns some bose hardware. mainly because nobody else comes close in plain old noise zapping. (tried many vendors.) [05:06]
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decimation ascii what about those isolating in-ear buds? [05:07]
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asciilifeform decimation: that's what i have. bose's. with antiphase. [05:07]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform ashamed to admit, owns some bose hardware. mainly because nobody else comes close in plain old noise zapping. (tried many vendors.) << I feel that [05:07]
asciilifeform if, say, monsanto - sold a set with an extra -5dB attenuation, made of reprocessed kittens and personally signed by obama, at 20x the cost - i'd buy it... [05:08]
BingoBoingo ^ Concur to many's butthurt [05:09]
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BingoBoingo Bose filters are great even if the fundamentals suck [05:10]
csshih =] [05:10]
asciilifeform most of the time i don't even connect the input to anything [05:10]
decimation yeah isolation from noise is nice [05:10]
BingoBoingo Ah usuausll I commect input to somgs of my people [05:10]
decimation do you find them more comfortable than head-clamp style headphones? [05:11]
asciilifeform then somebody asks 'why not shooting plugs?' and answer, 'try wearing those for 14 hrs' [05:11]
asciilifeform decimation: had those previously. also, unsurprisingly, bose. [05:11]
asciilifeform decimation: gave them to pet, who doesn't give flying fuck about noise [05:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: then somebody asks 'why not shooting plugs?' and answer, 'try wearing those for 14 hrs' << actually had a weird dream last night [05:11]
BingoBoingo Nagant bent its firing pin [05:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: my understanding is that this is virtually unheard of [05:12]
BingoBoingo Went aroung too long begging for an SKS in the middle of zombies [05:12]
BingoBoingo Trraded beloved watch for working rifle in this dream [05:12]
decimation turns out that the beats by dre headphones suck at delivering bass too [05:13]
decimation [05:13]
mircea_popescu ello csshih [05:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but if it's an actual concern, i vaguely recall that a number of u.s. vendors offer titanium firing pins for just about anything short of a nambu [05:13]
csshih yo mircea_popescu [05:13]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: my understanding is that this is virtually unheard of << Turned out all of the other patent people held .308 winchester rifles I was the long 7.62x54R party to this fight against the undead [05:14]
BingoBoingo Short story, this morning's bitcoin burning went to a pound of firing pins [05:14]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: phun phact. russia produced 308 winchester since early 1970s. why? brezhnev received a costly hunting rifle as a gift from usa. needed to feed it... [05:16]
BingoBoingo Would still like a Yugo SKS evwentually [05:16]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: phun phact. russia produced 308 winchester since early 1970s. why? brezhnev received a costly hunting rifle as a gift from usa. needed to feed it... << Similar with stalin and his 1911 [05:17]
asciilifeform afaik russia never mass-produced .45 [05:17]
asciilifeform as evidenced by the fact of lend-lease 'chicago typewriters' remaining mostly unused, languishing in warehouses to this day [05:18]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But Russia has crates of them intended for Thompson [05:18]
BingoBoingo Unless submerged bullets don't aged to poorly [05:18]
asciilifeform incidentally, [05:20]
asciilifeform [05:20]
decimation I wouldn't mind one of these: strikes me as well made and practical [05:20]
BingoBoingo Officer model 1911 and clones are still popular concealed carry pieces [05:20]
decimation I would get the 7.62x39 with a suppressor (after all the ATF paperwork) [05:22]
mircea_popescu mike_c remember ? [05:23]
assbot The Illustrated Guide to Law | Keeping the Laughter in Manslaughter [05:23]
mike_c lol, never saw that one [05:23]
BingoBoingo decimation> I would get the 7.62x39 with a suppressor (after all the ATF paperwork) << for delicate shit in missouri suppressors are a thing and most .22 lr semi autos have tons of accesories available [05:24]
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BingoBoingo << turning into ugly balkan or Israeli shit [05:26]
mircea_popescu mike_c >> tjat guy [05:26]
decimation my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork [05:26]
assbot The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:26]
decimation because you know someone wanting to keep from going deaf while shooting game needs to be regulated [05:27]
mike_c ah, i do remember that post [05:27]
mircea_popescu synergy : because of wol author of that cartoon can now get a little money. [05:29]
mircea_popescu i like it when my shit makes circles :D [05:30]
BingoBoingo my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork << Missouri to missouri lacks the hurdles [05:30]
decimation he had a practical use for it too: was out hunting, saw deer, didn't have time to apply hearing protection before getting off a shot (with 30-06), his ears rang for several hours [05:33]
BingoBoingo my office mate got a suppressor recently, took 9 months for ATF to approve paperwork << Walther P-22 or whatever no wait with a probably missouri residence [05:33]
BingoBoingo he had a practical use for it too: was out hunting, saw deer, didn't have time to apply hearing protection before getting off a shot (with 30-06), his ears rang for several hours << This is why supressors are UK legal [05:34]
decimation afaik they are legal and common throughout northern europe (where guns are legal) [05:34]
decimation what purpose does it serve to require people who shoot guns to deafen themselves? [05:35]
BingoBoingo what purpose does it serve to require people who shoot guns to deafen themselves? << Puritan baggage [05:37]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Mazing though that the two most killing calibers here are .22 lr and police 9mm and .38 [05:38]
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decimation killing humans? [05:40]
BingoBoingo decimation: What else do people keep stats for? [05:42]
BingoBoingo Groundhogs readily fall to a tack hammer [05:43]
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decimation .22 lr pistols have always been popular [05:44]
BingoBoingo Also .22 lr hollow points have just enough space for a bit of pleasantly colored phosphorous [05:44]
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decimation um, why would you want phosphorous in your round? [05:44]
BingoBoingo .22 lr pistols have always been popular << Problem is they don't cycle well on subsonic loads [05:44]
BingoBoingo um, why would you want phosphorous in your round? << fire [05:45]
decimation so you can burn someone from the inside after your hollow point smashes their organs? [05:45]
BingoBoingo um, why would you want phosphorous in your round? [05:46]
BingoBoingo decimation: WIth .22 lr not usually persons, groundhogs and other vermin [05:46]
decimation ah that makes more sense [05:47]
BingoBoingo Anyways normal .22 lr blunt lead cheap shit tens to ricohet in the skull after it penetrates [05:47]
BingoBoingo For small mamammals though that extra burn sves a shot or two [05:48]
BingoBoingo Big mammals you have to get them to accept they are dying... [05:49]
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DreadKnight mircea_popescu, seems you forgot to translate "Un blog de" into english [05:59]
mircea_popescu !up seakazoo [06:03]
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mircea_popescu DreadKnight eh, what's it gonna hurt. [06:03]
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DreadKnight oh well [06:07]
seakazoo thanks assbot [06:09]
mike_c ;;later tell fluffypony i gave that guy your handle, he may come ask you about the job [06:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:09]
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thestringpuller moiety: The nice thing about that pub is it is downhill. [06:24]
thestringpuller I get nice and drunk, then step on my board - and voila - gravity takes me home. [06:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8256 @ 0.0008217 = 6.784 BTC [-] [06:26]
DreadKnight I managed to bump into a parked car in a similar scenario [06:26]
thestringpuller DreadKnight: I live in the suburbs so there is either 1) speeding cars or 2) no cars [06:28]
btc111_ is MPEX still selling 5000:1 ether for march expiry? [06:28]
DreadKnight thestringpuller, I see; you said the pub has arcades? [06:29]
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mircea_popescu btc111_ yes. [06:32]
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mircea_popescu ;;refresh [06:33]
gribble Order refresh successful, 2 orders refreshed. [06:33]
mircea_popescu !up RooK314 [06:33]
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RooK314 xD [06:33]
RooK314 Well I finally get here and seakazoo leaves for the night [06:34]
btc111_ wahts the default risk on those contracts? [06:35]
btc111_ trying to model the default risk into my structured product [06:35]
mircea_popescu btc111_ the default risk is 0. [06:36]
mircea_popescu RooK314 who's he ? [06:36]
RooK314 She's a friend of mine. We are going to get her into some investments, not sure what yet [06:36]
mircea_popescu ah, cool. [06:36]
mircea_popescu ? [06:37]
assbot I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [06:37]
RooK314 That's a possibility. You have to talk to her lol [06:37]
Duffer1 bitcoin, keep them [06:37]
RooK314 I highly doubt anyone would want to see my tits [06:39]
mircea_popescu ;;google they really are buttcoins nao [06:39]
gribble They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [06:39]
mircea_popescu weirder things have happened. [06:39]
btc111_ MP: 0 sounds like a bit of a stretch. im seriously interested in buying those contracts... do you have enough BTC to cover if ehter hits 200:1 ? [06:40]
Duffer1 hehe [06:40]
mircea_popescu yes. [06:41]
mircea_popescu 0 is not a bit of a stretch. the central bank is nominally 0 risk in any economic system. [06:42]
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btc111_ MP: who's the central bank here? [06:42]
mircea_popescu me. [06:42]
btc111_ MP: you have unlimited BTC to cover if ehter rises? [06:43]
mircea_popescu i have more btc than what eth can ever be worth, ever. [06:44]
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btc111_ hah. interesting statement. care to elaborate? im not trolling... don't you think the hype will push it higher when it launches? [06:46]
Duffer1 the question is whether or not it will still exist this time next year [06:47]
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mircea_popescu btc111_ you overvalue hype. this isn't fucking feminism, or some other internet thing where what people say matter. [06:47]
mircea_popescu people can hype all they want, i deflated the dogecoin hype just fine, what's so special about eth ? [06:47]
btc111_ MP: turing complete contracts [06:48]
Duffer1 lmao [06:49]
* mircea_popescu shrug. [06:49]
mircea_popescu ;;google why i nixed colored coins [06:49]
gribble Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog ...: ; OP_CHECKCOLORVERIFY: soft-fork for native color coin support ...: ; Mixed Associations Aged With Precise Mystique - mactaggart jewelry: [06:49]
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mircea_popescu have a stab at that first link there [06:50]
mircea_popescu very little changed since 2012 on the score. [06:50]
btc111_ MP: if ethereum hasn't launched by march, do the contracts expire worthless? [06:50]
mircea_popescu basically, yes. [06:51]
DreadKnight if dealing with bitcoins, do I have to bother with taxes? [06:51]
Duffer1 depends on jurisdiction and how legal you want to be [06:52]
btc111_ MP: ah, nevermind then -- i could see them being at least 6-8 months delayed [06:52]
DreadKnight good reply [06:52]
mircea_popescu DreadKnight that's something to ask your tax attorney not the internets. [06:52]
mircea_popescu the internets have no idea. [06:52]
btc111_ brb [06:52]
DreadKnight so no :D [06:52]
mircea_popescu btc111_ the notion that they have the discipline to maintain work on that thing after 9 months' delay six months from now is beyond ridiculous. [06:54]
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mircea_popescu the average lifespan for a blog is about 13 months, and that's an upper bound for dumbass internet kids and their projects. [06:55]
RooK314 ^ [06:55]
Duffer1 9 months delay + 5k? free btc.. [06:55]
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asciilifeform [07:37]
assbot Strict Liability pg 1 | The Illustrated Guide to Law [07:37]
mircea_popescu yeah. it's a good blog. [07:38]
asciilifeform good guide to what 'nation of laws' means in practice. [07:38]
mircea_popescu myeah [07:39]
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DreadKnight so how come big companies like Apple and such don't buy back all the shares? I can think of a few possible reasons but maybe I'm missing something important... [07:49]
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DreadKnight s/shares/stocks [07:56]
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DreadKnight well nvm, reading up a lot of articles on the subject [08:12]
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benkay // i have WoT citizenship. [09:42]
assbot The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:42]
mircea_popescu benkay lol rootless cosmopolitan is u. [09:44]
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benkay can't quite say what i am [09:45]
benkay no idea, really. [09:45]
benkay "optimizer of future degrees of freedom" is the closes i've come lately. [09:45]
benkay // my how time flies [09:45]
assbot The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:46]
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mircea_popescu yeah, comment count at 103k now, ayear later. [09:49]
benkay for those following along at home, the 1st comic in the hotlinked legal horrorshow: [09:54]
assbot 1 Introduction - "CRIME" - The Illustrated Guide to Law [09:54]
mircea_popescu you know the guy's site is linked above [09:57]
mircea_popescu cause wol is advertising on it [09:57]
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mircea_popescu << i used to play this 20 years ago [09:59]
assbot Formatters, Calculators, News and Forums - Utopia Temple [09:59]
benkay in derpy consulting companyville, a small and attention-draining project has been completed and discharged which is *awesome*, for both the money and the cognitive bandwidth. we've an agreement in principle with another client to take more of a technical project management role, handling more of the coordination of roadmap + code production and moving the product along while the ceo feller focuses on sales and other higher-level [10:01]
benkay concerns. [10:01]
benkay and another project is basically closed but we're still in the dance-around-and-grab-at-each-other's-nuts phase w/r/t actual working relationship and what has one [10:02]
mircea_popescu lo cool. [10:03]
benkay vision for next 2 years is to grab bigger and bigger slices of the pie, maybe using mobile as a wedge and demonstrating kickassery and then expanding scope to whatever can be had and paid for. [10:03]
benkay i'm starting to realize also that an engineering team that's blitting from one project to another is never going to be as effective as the same team focused on roadmap and cohesive set of business objectives. [10:05]
benkay which in retrospect, duh [10:05]
benkay subject only of stories that are not scams or threesomes [10:06]
benkay night all [10:06]
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mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:102784ed9af580efc28d133cf25dece916aab235975fb14bbf89303f [18:58]
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atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 613819.23 in 990 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -10.68 [18:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.67951300 BTC to 12`515 shares, 13420 satoshi per share [19:04]
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mircea_popescu << fan page schedular. [19:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02701639 = 0.5403 BTC [-] [19:21]
FabianB $traded [19:23]
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benkay amazing software [19:24]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:24]
kuzetsa mircea_popescu: what's with the spam tool? [19:24]
mircea_popescu kuzetsa it made me chuckle [19:24]
kuzetsa ah ok [19:24]
kuzetsa "spintax" ... sigh :( [19:24]
mircea_popescu (i made some comments about buying traffic yest, now im innundated with people pitching their various traffic generating offerings. some are lulzy) [19:24]
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DreadKnight yeah, a lot of shady people are using bots and such to sell their magic crapware [19:28]
DreadKnight facebook allows for scheduled posts anyway, pretty powerful stuff, considering most posts don't make it to your fans and you need to spam [19:29]
DreadKnight my fb wall is filled with cleavage, gj Mark. [19:32]
benkay !s f.derp [19:33]
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mircea_popescu cleavage ain't that bad. [19:33]
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DreadKnight everything has pros and cons though :) [19:34]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: cleavage ain't that bad. <- that's what Klye thought too :-P [19:35]
mircea_popescu lol how's that ? [19:39]
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fluffypony he thought cleavage was going to make him millions [19:40]
fluffypony :-P [19:40]
mircea_popescu lolk [19:40]
DreadKnight it worked pretty well with Riot and League of Legends, lots characters / skins having that in-game and there's also Nikasaur chick presenting the community fanart showcase on youtube channel [19:42]
DreadKnight that game is like tailored for underage wankers [19:43]
mircea_popescu what, old men don't like teat ? [19:44]
DreadKnight old men are more into the real thing [19:44]
mircea_popescu ya think ? [19:44]
benkay !mpif [19:44]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-] [19:45]
benkay !t m f.mpif [19:45]
assbot Stupid fucking white man. [19:45]
DreadKnight :D [19:45]
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benkay mpif below nav [19:45]
fluffypony lol assbot [19:46]
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FabianB $traded [19:51]
empyex FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE [19:51]
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FabianB $vwap f.mpif [19:53]
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[]bot Bet created: "Any US Player to win FIBA World Cup MVP" [19:54]
mircea_popescu benkay it just traded below nav briefly. [19:55]
[]bot Bet created: "Elizabeth Warren to run for US President" [19:56]
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[]bot Bet created: "Block 338,000 in 2014" [20:05]
[]bot Bet created: "Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September" [20:05]
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decimation lol over the butthurt re: amazon posting quartly loss: [20:12]
decimation Bezos insists on taking the long view. In his letter to shareholders last year, he responded to criticism about spending by saying investing in a "just-in-time fashion would be too clever by half." [20:12]
decimation [20:12]
assbot Far-reaching ambitions, no profits, worry Amazon investors - [20:12]
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mircea_popescu y saying investing in a "just-in-time fashion would be too clever by half." << guy's got a point. he shgould be here. [20:13]
decimation amazon benefits from being one of the few well-run companies in the us right now - this gives them the power to create their own frame [20:14]
benkay right, last trade vs. orders on books [20:14]
mircea_popescu actually tbh bezos may be the only guy in the derpeconomy of websites and whatnot that i actually like. [20:14]
decimation derps have no choice but to invest in amazon because they don't see any good alternatives [20:15]
decimation then they whine when quarterly payouts are not forthcoming [20:15]
decimation I like his attitude toward meetings wrt powerpoint - he went the full Ed Tufte: [20:18]
assbot Jeff Bezos PowerPoint prohibition | Philanthropy Daily [20:18]
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decimation Ed Tufte is a little crazy but his classes are worth taking. His position is that you present your ideas in the form of an essay or paper. Then you talk about the salient points and field questions. The projector is for showing information dense pictures, like the baseball stats page from a newspaper [20:20]
mircea_popescu << and we have a first nibble on the eth short. [20:20]
assbot dpaste: 3NJD512 [20:20]
mircea_popescu decimation omfg he's copied me. THEIF! [20:20]
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decimation lol maybe, he has a book about it: [20:22]
assbot Edward Tufte: Books - Essay: The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint [20:22]
decimation it's short, but has pretty pictures and is easy to understand for n00bs [20:22]
benkay [20:22]
assbot Original Warren Buffett Partnership Agreement Found Here | StockRip [20:22]
decimation he writes about how powerpoint contributed to retardation at nasa which lead to the shuttle's destruction [20:22]
mircea_popescu the problem is exactly what he states : pp makes it easier for the presenter, harder for the audience. this is not a tradeoff you want [20:23]
mircea_popescu unless, of course, you're trying to make everyone dumber. [20:23]
decimation which is generally the goal of most gov't meetings, gov't education, etc [20:24]
mircea_popescu right. then it becomes fashionable and before you know it the dumb broads in your household are giving pps to each other. and you can't do shit about it, because they're not your slaves, they're your "equal partners" [20:25]
mircea_popescu very fucking far that'll go, i'm sure. [20:25]
asciilifeform except that removing pp will not cure retardation. just as removing maggots will not resurrect corpse. [20:25]
mircea_popescu in fact : traditional views on sexuality impose monogamy as a standard because that's the only way to hide just how dumb and inept a commune actually is : by keeping it real small. [20:25]
mircea_popescu try a family of a coupla dozen wives that are all "equal partners" and see. [20:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it will, yes. it will resurect the not-yet-corpses and make the rest obvious. [20:26]
Duffer1 mircea_popescu "..and that ETH trades on a reputable exchange" has "reputable" been defined? [20:26]
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mircea_popescu "just get rid of her if she's annoying" leads directly to "and get rid of any slaves that can't cope with no pp or complain enough" [20:26]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 basically, it has to actually work. [20:27]
Duffer1 i see [20:27]
mircea_popescu obviously i'll be buying some once it comes out. if shit happens like on icbit , where your bids are simply ignored while it "sells" to lower bids... then it's not reputable. [20:27]
* asciilifeform just learned that this exists [20:28]
decimation asciilifeform you mean Eth? [20:28]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform welcome to the world of a different set of idiocy. [20:28]
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mircea_popescu !up bertani [20:28]
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decimation My favorite thing about it are the random code snippets that are supposed to demonstrate how awesome it is, but in fact demonstrate that it's crazy [20:28]
mircea_popescu decimation if this gets funded ima allow interested buyers to take positions. either directly or via bitbet. [20:29]
asciilifeform they have code? [20:29]
decimation kind of I guess [20:30]
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assbot ethereum [20:30]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform according to their own claims, they got > 5k btc deposited by people looking to get a total 10mn of the shits. [20:30]
mircea_popescu seths. [20:30]
decimation I guess it's one of these turing-complete contract bitcoin wanna-bes - I haven't seen any serious analysis of the codebase yet [20:32]
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* asciilifeform read their original paper, thought it could lead to something vaguely interesting - until the premined turdcoin came out... [20:32]
mircea_popescu no wait, that must be diff. this one's not out yet. [20:32]
asciilifeform hm [20:32]
Duffer1 speaking of.. i haven't heard any ripple news in a while.. [20:32]
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decimation ascii re:premined - monkey can't let go of banana in trap... [20:33]
danielpbarron << long but kinda funny read about yet another scam [20:34]
asciilifeform [20:34]
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decimation quite. To be fair, satoshi still has his hand on the banana [20:35]
decimation but that kind of opportunity only comes around once a century or two [20:35]
mircea_popescu quite. To be fair, satoshi still has his hand on the banana << i don't see it. [20:36]
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assbot BBC Sport - Argentina FA fined 20,000 for Falklands banner display [20:37]
decimation mircea, are you saying satoshi's horde doesn't exist? [20:37]
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fluffypony [20:38]
assbot The Coins Source Trust Index [20:38]
fluffypony lol [20:38]
mircea_popescu decimation yeah. [20:38]
decimation is there a published analysis of the early blockchain? [20:40]
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mircea_popescu lots. [20:41]
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assbot 17 Year Old Girl Struck by Lightning While Masturbating | Stop Masturbation Now [20:45]
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assbot Log In - The New York Times [20:45]
mircea_popescu ahahah [20:46]
decimation << this guy estimate's satoshi's fortune at 1M btc, [20:47]
assbot The Well Deserved Fortune of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin creator, Visionary and Genius | Bitslog [20:47]
mircea_popescu << this chick;'s like 30 [20:47]
decimation that's alot but not enough to shake the foundations of bitcoin [20:47]
mircea_popescu decimation i am aware. it's not "his" estimation. there's been this thing pushed around since 2011ish, a meme equivalent to "who really is satoshi" [20:48]
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decimation ah, you discussed last year [20:49]
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mircea_popescu decimation it's just... you know. pretty much everyone i know who's been mining in 2010 has actually lost the majority of bitcoin they ever mined. irrespective if they still mine or not. [20:51]
mircea_popescu and besides, artforz is likely a much larger holder than satoshi himself. IF he had any sense. [20:51]
mircea_popescu which judging by his disappearance, he prolly did have. [20:51]
decimation this guy has more detail [20:52]
assbot Chain Archaeology - Answers from the early blockchain [20:52]
decimation yeah I agree, I had mined in 2010 and lost much of it unfortunately [20:52]
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mircea_popescu so, yeah. people like to dream. one dream they like to dream is that they'll be the sherlock that'll discover "the real satoshi". another dream they like to dream is the vicarious wealth of amillionbtc. [20:58]
mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with this any more than there's anything wrong with watching animated pony cartoons. [20:58]
mircea_popescu when one starts pretendling like reality, going to school in their pony suit and mixing fiction in power points... well... that's actually unhealty. [20:58]
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mircea_popescu i don't get what that coinsource thing is supposed to be. [21:02]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: tru story. << lel. [21:09]
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mircea_popescu if only they had a smidgeon of business sense to start back in 2013 by coming here, they'd have actually had a future. [21:09]
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decimation << follow up on chetty's post [21:13]
assbot In the Balance : Hispanic Population's Share of Wealth Likely to Increase by 2025 [21:13]
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decimation The U.S.'s Hispanic population was about 50.5 million in 2010, representing 16.3 percent of the total population (Table 1).1 According to the Federal Reserve's Survey of Consumer Finances and its Financial Accounts of the United States, Hispanic families had about ... about 2.2 percent of total wealth ... In summary, we project the Hispanic share of total wealth to increase from 2.2 percent in 2010 to either 2.6 percent or 3.2 [21:14]
decimation percent of the economy's total wealth by 2025 [21:14]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as some jews are hispanic, im sure it will increase. [21:14]
decimation even their "model" predicts no movement, but the press release predictably says: [21:15]
assbot Wealth Share of Hispanic Population May Triple by 2025 | St. Louis Fed On the Economy [21:15]
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mircea_popescu this is such idiocy. rich people are rich people. they're not "hispanic", they're rich. [21:20]
mircea_popescu there's exactly zilch that the "share of wealtyh of the hispanic population" means. [21:20]
penguirker New blog post: [21:21]
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mircea_popescu this entire situation is reminiscent of someone trying to "enhance" abstinence-only sexed by reports about how "women's orgasms per capita set to increase this year" [21:21]
mircea_popescu people who're not fucking aren't going to be interested, unless, of course, they're retarded. [21:22]
decimation just as rich folk could give a tinker's damn what some poor mexican thinks about how things ought to be [21:22]
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assbot Decadence Is Not Physical « Isegoria [21:23]
decimation "Decadence is a moral and spiritual disease, resulting from too long a period of wealth and power, producing cynicism, decline of religion, pessimism and frivolity. The citizens of such a nation will no longer make an effort to save themselves, because they are not convinced that anything in life is worth saving." [21:23]
chetty I wonder, does the poor Mexican give a tinkers damn either? [21:23]
decimation not really, because he thinks he is rich compared to his cousins back home [21:23]
mircea_popescu Daniel: "We believe that we can build a better future. We believe that we can enable all to participate in a revolution of collective ownership, something that will radically shift the nature of human society." wtf; are they socialists? <<< lulzy danielpbarron [21:23]
danielpbarron i know, right? i was cracking up reading it [21:24]
mircea_popescu decimation it only indirectly results from a too long period of wealth and power. i know, for i've been wealthy and powerful my entire life. the trick is to not buy into comfort. that's the direct causation : once people become comfortable and think "i'm too wealthy and powerful to be here fucking with a wrench inside this engine on the side of a road". [21:24]
mircea_popescu pretty soon it's "we're too cool for our children to be killed off like the worthless shitbags they are" [21:25]
mircea_popescu and from there on... anyone with a wrench can wrench a deal out of you. [21:25]
decimation for some of them, they could be making more money not fixing things and hiring a guy [21:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: usually this happens to folks born 'into' money [21:25]
decimation but that's a pretty restrcted set [21:25]
mircea_popescu decimation the problem is exactly there : a roman citizen is required to be part of the army, even if he could serve the republic "better" elsewhere. [21:26]
mircea_popescu the point is specifically to be able to serve everywhere, so to speak, [21:26]
mircea_popescu because the relative value of things can't really be fixed. [21:26]
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mircea_popescu chetty likely not. [21:26]
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mircea_popescu decimation but you see the signs of decadence much closer to home : the moment people start shying away from calling someone a cunt in the street, because o noes, we're civilised now. that's it. [21:27]
mircea_popescu compare the father with the son in cat on a hot tin roof. that's it. [21:27]
mircea_popescu what, big daddy doesn't know what bum love is ? yes he does. [21:27]
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mircea_popescu he may not be talking too much or too loudly about it because of that shithead ida, and her unwanted, unwelcome and damaging "love", but otherwise... [21:28]
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decimation in other words each household needs to keep its own shit in order [21:31]
asciilifeform << mega-lol. 'surrender card.' [21:33]
asciilifeform (what's that? this - [21:35]
decimation ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus? [21:38]
asciilifeform decimation: this is SOP in usa [21:38]
asciilifeform decimation: which is why, with the possible exception of folks who can cough up astoundingly large ransom, falling into the hands of u.s. 'justice' system should be thought of as equivalent to ending up in a gestapo dungeon. [21:40]
decimation speaking of which, whatever happened to that guy who was convicted of possessing silver coins? [21:41]
asciilifeform possessing? or selling [21:42]
asciilifeform that was von NotHaus [21:42]
asciilifeform ^ [21:42]
assbot ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism [21:42]
decimation yeah him, did they actually sentance him [21:43]
decimation [21:44]
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mircea_popescu ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus? << the principle is that "the people" can charge you with w/o the shit they want. [21:44]
mircea_popescu the exact equivalent of jury nullification [21:44]
mircea_popescu grand jury enactication. [21:44]
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decimation yeah that's scary [21:47]
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mircea_popescu decimation well if it wants to be a republic, it gotta be a republic. [21:47]
asciilifeform this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms. [21:48]
mircea_popescu "Unless you have been through this, with much of it kept secret to protect means and methods of investigation and prosecution, prepare for an exciting first time on the actual hot seat, not on TV or online where hypnotic disinfo rules and seduces the unwary to believe tickling the comsec tiger's tail is fantasic rep building." <<< heh. [21:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do you perceive the difference being, between military and legal ? [21:49]
asciilifeform when at war, your perspective on what happens if you fall into enemy hands isn't 'know the magic incantations that will force them to let me go' [21:49]
mircea_popescu no, it's the "know the magic incantation that'll make them rue the day they messed with me so close" [21:49]
asciilifeform the magic incantation in that case is adequate fire support [21:50]
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mircea_popescu not strictly. [21:50]
mircea_popescu try capturing chtulhu. hey everyone! free insanity today, and all get seconds! [21:50]
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asciilifeform when (imho undeservedly) famous social engineer k. mitnick was captured, the jailers actually believed he was a chtulhu [21:51]
asciilifeform he was, famously, denied the traditional 'last phone call' [21:51]
mircea_popescu lol [21:51]
asciilifeform for fear of magic words! [21:51]
decimation he has magic hacking powers, give him the a. ames treatment! [21:52]
asciilifeform or, to quite relevant film, 'what good is a phone call mr. andersen, if you have no mouth...' [21:52]
mircea_popescu if only it were that easy. [21:53]
mircea_popescu i mean obviously, the king's ministers, no matter how cornered, will attempt to put forth the theory of how dominant their kingdom actually is. [21:53]
thestringpuller lol it is that easy [21:53]
mircea_popescu this has some trouble getting past things such as you know, that wikileaks guy. [21:53]
mircea_popescu if the kingdom actually worked like teh king's ministers propose it does, i wouldn't be looking into the yard of the king's minister's wife at the car of the guy the minister doesn't know she fucks [21:54]
mircea_popescu sort of thing. [21:54]
jurov so if ascii gets jailed for jaywalking, we shall expect another national guard gathering? [21:55]
asciilifeform lol [21:55]
asciilifeform my understanding is, the most one can hope for, if you aren't chtulhu, assanger, mircea_popescu - when the wagen comes, is to die with honour, without implicating other partizans [21:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform or you could blog about it. [21:56]
* asciilifeform should practice blogging while hanging upside down with gag [21:56]
mircea_popescu well now... here's the thing... you can't be talking while you're not able to talk, right ? [21:57]
mircea_popescu and if you are able to talk, who's going to be able to control what you say, and to whom ? [21:57]
jurov hm.. i guess when patent trolls come for cardano, there are better ways than seppuku [21:57]
mircea_popescu perhaps you need your computers, perhaps you need access to a certain server, who's to know. [21:57]
jurov ? [21:57]
mircea_popescu this isn't nearly as cut and dried a matter as the usg likes to pretend (forced mistake, it has no alternative than to so pretend). [21:58]
mircea_popescu exactly the same problems that limit the mob limit the government, and can be used identically. [21:58]
decimation for instance they haven't managed to jail this von nothaus guy yet [21:59]
decimation [22:00]
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asciilifeform wait, he's outside of a jail ?! [22:00]
decimation apparently he was convicted but never sentanced [22:00]
asciilifeform yeah, but where's he now [22:00]
asciilifeform walking the globe without a gps collar ? [22:01]
decimation well according to this interview in miami on 1 feb 2014 [22:01]
decimation I suspect he has no passport [22:01]
asciilifeform so there we go. he's in 'большая зона' (the big jail.) [22:02]
asciilifeform (soviet term, in contrast to the 'little jail' - a jail in the usual sense; the big one - ussr.) [22:02]
decimation "we are coming up to march 2014, so I've been waiting 3 years to be sentenced, this is most unusual. Usually in a federal case you are incarcerated within 60 days after being found guilty." [22:03]
decimation usg must be scared of something [22:03]
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asciilifeform in cases like his, it is traditional for the inquisitor to make a series of offers to lighten punishment substantially in exchange for agent recruitment [22:04]
asciilifeform (aka turning stoolie) [22:04]
asciilifeform we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet [22:04]
asciilifeform so i don't see 'scared' - only 'patient.' [22:05]
asciilifeform if nothaus is cut loose, we should expect him to turn up eventually in the role of a karpeles or brock pierce. [22:06]
decimation well I tend to agree with your point about recruitment, but it's not clear to me what he is going to be recruited to do exactly. [22:07]
decimation an enterprising defense team would have him start another altcoin for the purpose of turning against it [22:08]
asciilifeform we'll know what it is once inquisitor makes up his mind, and nothaus surrenders [22:08]
decimation why didn't folks attempt to leave the "big jail" during ussr times? [22:09]
asciilifeform they certainly did. [22:09]
decimation seems like that would be the thing to do [22:09]
asciilifeform many of the same issues facing folks who want to leave usa. [22:09]
asciilifeform (a trip requires a destination) [22:09]
decimation I guess it's hard to escape with family intact [22:09]
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asciilifeform back to the treatment of nothaus - this was SOP for dissident types, at least post-stalin. you land, not in a jail cell, but a comfortable 'hotel room', where no one hangs you upside down, no! - but well-dressed, educated fellows have little chats with you over good coffee - to make you 'see reason.' [22:14]
thestringpuller decimation: that's very depressing :( [22:14]
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asciilifeform if you 'see reason' - you're a free man. get to keep doing what you were doing. except with a little microphone listening, or the like. [22:15]
mircea_popescu we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet << something like that. [22:15]
mircea_popescu I guess it's hard to escape with family intact << people with families have no business escaping. [22:16]
mircea_popescu their job is to work the soil and make babies. [22:16]
asciilifeform this is why a man with a profession that puts him in range of escape was required to have family. [22:16]
mircea_popescu quite. [22:16]
asciilifeform e.g. diplomats, military attaches, competitive athletes [22:17]
thestringpuller what if you don't want to make babies? [22:17]
decimation yes, their fate is to stand and take whatever comes I suppose [22:17]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: then you don't get posted abroad. [22:17]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller then eiher it's not a family, you're being forced to or you will be forced to. [22:17]
asciilifeform incidentally, pretty much none of the above were sent abroad with actual wives, children [22:18]
asciilifeform they'd get theatrical ones [22:18]
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decimation spies, presumably [22:18]
asciilifeform as diplomat, your 'wife' might actually be someone whose only job is to shoot you in the head if you start to 'turn.' [22:18]
thestringpuller sounds like huxley's world would make that a moot issue (humans bred in tanks) [22:18]
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thestringpuller it also seems being an orphan is more beneficial in that regard too... [22:19]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller well tbh, i dun see why i'd have wanted to leave huxley's world. just hang out with the boss guy down at the bar. [22:20]
asciilifeform note that the analogy is not exact. the american equivalent of a soviet job with travel privileges would be, say, the right to own significant foreign (or theoretically liquid enough to become foreign) assets [22:20]
asciilifeform as this enables escape [22:20]
decimation << like these guys [22:21]
assbot Galt's Gulch Chile - To your freedoms [22:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what, like bitcoin ? [22:21]
decimation you can own, you just have to confess to usg you have them [22:21]
asciilifeform decimation: honeypot [22:21]
asciilifeform like 'citadel' [22:21]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: couldn't one in america escape through...non traditional means? [22:22]
thestringpuller i'm implying illegal passports. [22:22]
mircea_popescu << kid found a romanian btc atm, wants to know why some derp did it and not i. well.. i'm lazy. [22:22]
assbot Big numbers, random numbers and who’s got your number ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:22]
mircea_popescu but i follow the link. huge title "Bitcoin will be partially or totally controlled". ie, by some govt. [22:22]
mircea_popescu herp. [22:22]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: you probably heard that many 'gulag' facilities were not guarded at all. [22:22]
asciilifeform the snow, bears, starvation - do the guarding. [22:22]
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aabtc aegis agamemnon23 Anduck Anon29486307 anthor Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur [22:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform people's own dumb heads do the guarding. [22:23]
mircea_popescu nothing to stop one from walking to mexico right now [22:23]
mircea_popescu oh, but... THE BEARS [22:23]
mircea_popescu and lions and tigers - oh my! [22:23]
decimation yeah I suspect walking to mexico is easier than the reverse [22:23]
thestringpuller there is a lot to stop you walking from mexico back into the states tho... [22:23]
asciilifeform nothing to stop the zek from walking into the permafrost, either [22:23]
decimation one would need iron balls to do it I guess [22:24]
mircea_popescu EcoChav: these girls are going to be using SWARM to raise funds: << [22:24]
assbot California Kale Collective SWARM - YouTube [22:24]
mircea_popescu i propose a new highschool charter. it teaches kids nothing, but smacks them every time they use "going to" [22:24]
asciilifeform for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here [22:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but arbeit macht frei! [22:25]
asciilifeform lol [22:25]
thestringpuller i recently heard of a city in siberia that utilizes more energy to keep the city warm and operate than it would if people just commuted 100's of miles to operate the factories there... [22:25]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: norilsk ? [22:26]
thestringpuller Yes! [22:26]
thestringpuller that's the one [22:26]
thestringpuller lol [22:26]
thestringpuller usually never gets above 70 [22:27]
thestringpuller F [22:27]
asciilifeform - ? [22:27]
thestringpuller oh during the yeart [22:27]
thestringpuller like in july the highest it'll get is like in the 10's to 20's C [22:28]
decimation ascii have you seen "Happy People: a year in the taiga"? [22:28]
asciilifeform nope [22:28]
decimation this guy Werner Herzon tours the River Yenisei and finds people who live off the land [22:28]
decimation they would have walked out of the gulag without a second thought [22:29]
decimation s/Herzon/Herzog [22:29]
thestringpuller Herzog is one kinda character... [22:29]
thestringpuller He makes some of the best documentaries though. [22:29]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what, like bitcoin ? << ameri-zek could escape if he had 10^7 usd or 10^4 bitcoin, say. but he won't ever see either, 'like his own ears without a mirror.' [22:36]
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asciilifeform now, if you're willing to live like a feral dog, it isn't even necessary to leave the country. i recall, a few years ago, an article about one fellow who lived in a dugout in a u.s. national park. for ~30 years. he was caught by pure chance. [22:38]
asciilifeform tourist noticed a puff of smoke coming from a tree stump. [22:38]
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asciilifeform (it was his chimney. disguised partizan-style.) [22:39]
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asciilifeform if tourist hadn't strayed miles from the road, if wind had been stronger - the dugout would be there still, with its inhabitant. [22:39]
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decimation that's long enough to claim adverse possession in many states [22:40]
asciilifeform not on federal land [22:40]
asciilifeform and, in many (most?) states, adverse possession is virtually impossible to pull off (title holder must be aware of the squatter and do nothing for xx years) [22:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform 10k btc ? foreals ? [22:41]
asciilifeform see dugout man above [22:41]
asciilifeform he needed 0 btc [22:41]
mircea_popescu the point is to live like a feral dog AND leave the country. [22:41]
asciilifeform but paid with other things [22:41]
mircea_popescu you gotta break the circle of "is necessary" [22:42]
mircea_popescu that's what the dam is built out of. convenience. [22:42]
mircea_popescu inconvenience yourself and you'll be free, but otherwise, you're predictable, and in being predictable you'll be a tool. [22:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: elaborate? [22:42]
mircea_popescu on which part ? [22:42]
decimation yeah that's what most of the "early retirement" folks advocate. if you can live on $20k per year you can retire now if you have any assets to speak of [22:43]
asciilifeform decimation: the 20k still have to come from somewhere. [22:43]
asciilifeform if they come from my being a stonemason in mexico city, as far as i can tell i'm then already in a jail [22:43]
mircea_popescu decimation most of humanity lives on less than ten bux a week. [22:43]
mircea_popescu that's... 500 a year [22:43]
decimation they can even pay to have their kids escape to the great 'el norte' [22:44]
mircea_popescu somehow. [22:44]
mircea_popescu not all do, notice. [22:44]
asciilifeform the other thing mexicans, eskimos, whoever, anyone but homo americanus have is - tribe. [22:44]
asciilifeform strength in numbers [22:44]
asciilifeform lone ant - dies [22:45]
asciilifeform anthill lives. [22:45]
mircea_popescu lone and dies happy. [22:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.185 = 0.925 BTC [+] [22:45]
decimation the eastern metropolis is especially bad on this count. high population density but everyone is alone [22:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: let's say you were on the other side of the wire. my side. and you could escape, if you turned on that 'dulap' and gave up... cock&balls. [22:46]
asciilifeform now, is that life? [22:46]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i tend to break things. [22:47]
mircea_popescu there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people. [22:47]
asciilifeform i recently went to a zoo, where they had cheetahs. one cheetah was a little different from the others. every time i see him, he's clearly preoccupied with looking for a hole in the fence. [22:48]
asciilifeform if he were a russian 'zek', he'd have a red stripe in his id papers. [22:48]
asciilifeform 'побегушник' [22:48]
mircea_popescu which ironically makes the entire "terrorist" thing quite appropriate, except, i wouldn't shot them for the show (which is what terrorism implies, that you kill people for no reason than to impress other people). i'd do it because their continued existence is incompatible with mine. [22:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform did i ever tell you about the two pellicans ? [22:48]
asciilifeform ? [22:49]
decimation which is exactly the attitude that the us used to have back in the pioneer days [22:49]
decimation before they were won by the English... [22:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform my only lingering regret from my days in costa rica is that one day i've visited a bird reserve. a large geodome sorta thing with a lot of birds in it. [22:49]
mircea_popescu among which two pelicans. which had figured where the door was, and what a door is. and were angling together to perhaps scare a dumbass tourist and manage to get out. [22:50]
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mircea_popescu i have no idea why i didn't just take the birds across. [22:50]
asciilifeform lol! [22:50]
asciilifeform are they any good - to eat? [22:51]
mircea_popescu i guess a lot of foreign military officers wondered why they've not simply shot hitler at any point in the 30s, just walk up to him and boom. [22:51]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform im sure they couldn't have survived in ther wild, but i dun see why that should matter. [22:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i recall at least two who wrote just this [22:51]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform im sure the reason is exactly like the discussion re the altcoin [22:51]
mircea_popescu by the time you realise you should have it's too late. [22:51]
asciilifeform naturally. [22:51]
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mircea_popescu there's actually an oglaf on the topic, too [22:52]
mircea_popescu [22:56]
asciilifeform lol, i recall this one. [22:56]
mircea_popescu guy shooting hitler would necessarily live in an alt-universe where shooting hitler's death is not justified by hitler being hitler, and so on. [22:57]
mircea_popescu this is a major reason to not punish murder, imo. [22:57]
mircea_popescu maybe the murderer had a point. [22:57]
mircea_popescu certainly murder of political figures is always justified on the face. they were, after all, political figures. [22:57]
decimation I suppose that's the point of jury nullification [22:57]
mircea_popescu yeah but it mixes the people in there. what'd the people know. [22:58]
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mircea_popescu 1930s german jury'd have not nulified hitler murder. [22:58]
decimation well, in the village the people would know, not in the city [22:59]
mircea_popescu this is such nonsense. [22:59]
mircea_popescu vilage people are actualy a lot dumber than city people. they just have much fewer avenues to display their inanity. [22:59]
mircea_popescu it's a case of 0.5 / 0.25 appearing larger than 1/1 [22:59]
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mircea_popescu hey danielpbarron, what do you do for a living ? [23:07]
danielpbarron I have a seasonal warehouse job [23:07]
mircea_popescu do you wanna get paid to derp on the interwebs ? [23:07]
danielpbarron maybe [23:07]
mircea_popescu do tell ? [23:08]
danielpbarron yeah; sounds very interesting [23:08]
mircea_popescu okay, what i want you to do is create a bunch of handles in various forums (i'll tell you which) and participate in the discussion. [23:09]
mircea_popescu don't spam, make sense, bring in the various good points we know about the world doesn't, bitcoin, b-a, bitbet, mpex, etc. [23:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00079762 = 1.4357 BTC [-] [23:09]
danielpbarron so just tell the truth? [23:10]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [23:10]
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mircea_popescu i don't pay people to lie, they do that on their own & for free. [23:10]
danielpbarron what are the terms? how much money; how frequently? [23:11]
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mircea_popescu you can spend the rest of your days doing it for all i care, 24/7. you're to report each weekend and i'll pay you mondays. [23:12]
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danielpbarron which forums? [23:14]
mircea_popescu start with, and lessee... [23:15]
mircea_popescu that should keep you busy for a day or two. [23:15]
mircea_popescu and more generally, if anyone's currently wasting a lot of time derping online and would like to make a job of it... say so. [23:17]
asciilifeform !? [23:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a lot you don't know : [23:18]
mircea_popescu :) [23:18]
asciilifeform certainly is [23:18]
mircea_popescu that thing's massive, about the size of a bodybuilder. [23:19]
benkay mircea_popescu: DERPs are backstopped to the sum of BTC brought in by sales of DERP shares, is that correct? [23:19]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron if there's religious interest forums you know that i don't / other stuff you're already doing feel free to throw that into the mix. [23:19]
mircea_popescu benkay nah. [23:20]
benkay backstopped by your reputation and promise to pay? [23:20]
mircea_popescu they're backstopped by f.derp's assets. [23:20]
benkay so all of the D series is backstopped by all of f.derp [23:21]
mircea_popescu yeah. [23:21]
mircea_popescu basically if each individual issue goes up 2x in btc, then it's just about wiped. [23:21]
mircea_popescu if one issue goes up 100x in usd and btc goes up 10x and there's 10 issues, then it's just about wiped. [23:22]
mircea_popescu etc [23:22]
benkay gotcha thanks [23:22]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen duffer1 [23:24]
gribble duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: speaking of.. i haven't heard any ripple news in a while.. [23:24]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell duffer1 [23:25]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:25]
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jurov what, F.DERP is/will be actual asset? [23:25]
mircea_popescu jurov yes. [23:25]
mircea_popescu so one can take either end. this was discussed in teh logs!!1 [23:25]
thestringpuller we short using normal methods? (asking you to borrow shares on margin?) [23:26]
thestringpuller ^ mircea_popescu [23:26]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller short what ? [23:26]
thestringpuller DERPS [23:27]
mircea_popescu you short the derps globally by buying f.derp. or i guess individually by borrowing them from someone that bough them [23:27]
jurov i try to read everything but my subconscious tends to skip it :( [23:27]
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jurov it is apparently interested in politics and cultural anthropology [23:27]
benkay i like the finance stuff [23:27]
thestringpuller okay makes sense thanks mircea_popescu [23:27]
benkay can't be arsed with scamwatch [23:27]
mircea_popescu benkay kinda why division of labour is unavoidable. [23:28]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: specialization is for insects [23:29]
mircea_popescu yeah well. [23:29]
chetty ever notice how much big apt buildings look like beehives? [23:30]
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mircea_popescu lol good for you. [23:35]
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chetty for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here// walking over the border to Mexico is actually pretty easy [23:42]
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assbot Girl Dreams – Legacy Control [23:43]
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assbot Nedroid Picture Diary [23:45]
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DreadKnight really fun comic that legacy-control one [23:47]
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mircea_popescu o you know it ? [23:47]
DreadKnight now I do; bookmarked [23:49]
mircea_popescu :p [23:49]
DreadKnight need to recall what comics I used to follow besides xkcd [23:50]
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DreadKnight (newest one is lame though) [23:53]
assbot Cyanide & Happiness #3629 - [23:53]
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