Forum logs for 26 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation 'one point of view is that usg should have all ur bits' [00:00]
mircea_popescu "we must pull together" is the age old statist refrain. [00:00]
decimation things are getting better comrades [00:00]
mircea_popescu sure, we'll pull together : come swear fealty to me. bring me your daughters, let me name the head of each usg agency [00:00]
mircea_popescu then we'll pull together just fine. [00:00]
mircea_popescu obv, not exactly what's being contemplated with the "pull together" talk [00:01]
decimation "MR: I think we can work our way through this." [00:01]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: who would you name head of CIA? [00:01]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron [00:02]
danielpbarron ya? [00:02]
mircea_popescu sure, why not. [00:02]
asciilifeform l0l 'fantasy usg' [00:02]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ [00:02]
mircea_popescu "pull together" usg. [00:02]
danielpbarron oh i thought you were asking if i was here; didn't realize i just got nominated to run the .. CIA!? [00:02]
mircea_popescu sure. have fun. [00:03]
danielpbarron i will not spare the whip. [00:04]
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mircea_popescu britni's back. [00:13]
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asciilifeform but who molested her [00:15]
mircea_popescu [00:15]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 week 4 days ago ... ( ) [00:16]
mircea_popescu "i don't remember seeing before the parts i don't like seeing today" [00:16]
* asciilifeform missed the gigantic 'no' bets after september's series [00:17]
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thestringpuller lol bitbet is loading real slow today [00:18]
mircea_popescu in other news, [00:18]
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asciilifeform !up decimation [00:18]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l!!! [00:19]
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TheNewDeal ;;bids 216.9 [00:20]
gribble Bitstamp | There are currently 4213.9171 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 952292.397478 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0219 seconds [00:20]
trinque mircea_popescu: nice jurassic park poster [00:22]
cazalla trinque, lulz i just thought that [00:22]
cazalla "oh, jurassic park" [00:22]
cazalla is the other one the little mermaid? [00:23]
mircea_popescu lol [00:23]
decimation asciilifeform: < teaching the statistics 'controversy' [00:32]
assbot Psychology Journal Bans Significance Testing « Science-Based Medicine ... ( ) [00:32]
decimation 'nobody understands what p-values mean so let's ban them' [00:32]
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asciilifeform lulzies [00:33]
asciilifeform who the fuck even cares what these clowns do now. [00:33]
asciilifeform let them stand on head, crap in own mouth [00:33]
decimation surprisingly when left to their own devices they choose... more clownishness [00:33]
decimation related: < The data revealed that just a quarter of all universities account for 71 to 86 percent of all tenure-track faculty in the U.S. and Canada in these three fields. Just 18 elite universities produce half of all computer science professors, 16 schools produce half of all business [00:35]
decimation professors, and eight schools account for half of all history professors. [00:35]
assbot University hiring: If you didn't get your Ph.D. at an elite university, good luck finding an academic job. ... ( ) [00:35]
decimation < heh. apparently programmers in the new york 'profit' about $16k per year [00:41]
assbot Cost of Living vs Salary – Best Cities for Software Developers and Engineers | Tyler Geonetta ... ( ) [00:42]
decimation with that, good night [00:42]
asciilifeform probably skewed by handful of 'quants' [00:42]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: i just learned the gasenwagen was invented by the russians [00:45]
asciilifeform according to one version, there was a ru wagen in the '30s [00:45]
thestringpuller The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried. [00:46]
asciilifeform iirc ^ was a bit of a 'ufo', based on hearsay [00:46]
thestringpuller The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried. [00:48]
thestringpuller OOPS [00:48]
thestringpuller "A converted 24-seat bus, the execution van keeps the appearance of a normal police van on the outside with no markings indicating its purpose. The rear of the vehicle houses a windowless chamber where the execution takes place. Several cameras are present and feed closed-circuit televisions in the front of the van; a recording can be made if desired. The bed itself slides out of the wall under its own power, on which the convi [00:49]
asciilifeform ^ chinese injection bus [00:49]
* danielpbarron didn't realize the wagon itself did the gassing [00:49]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: in the german variant [00:49]
danielpbarron i thought it was like the trains that took people to the camps [00:49]
* thestringpuller wonders when US will have their version. [00:50]
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mircea_popescu >> [01:24]
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punkman trinque, last time that happened I threw bucket of water on the loudest ass [07:53]
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trinque mircea_popescu: hello there. [07:54]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( ) [07:54]
mircea_popescu cazalla you know there's a word for this, among people who shovel this particular sort of elephant shit for a living (mostly, clinical psychiatrist) [07:54]
mircea_popescu not sure what it is in english, tho im sure it must exist. perhaps something like "shamanistic narrative". [07:55]
mircea_popescu basically, the story the 13 yo mutters to herself under her breath to replace unwelcome reality. [07:55]
mircea_popescu trinque hey. wassat ? [07:55]
trinque some deedin [07:55]
mircea_popescu o cool! [07:56]
mircea_popescu website ? [07:56]
trinque finishing the upload guy [07:56]
trinque is where it will be shortly [07:56]
mircea_popescu coolness. [07:56]
mircea_popescu brb writing some about when i was young. [07:56]
trinque this experience will have me lobbying harder for sqlite in the foundation's client in the future [07:57]
trinque mircea_popescu: k [07:57]
* BingoBoingo thinks key/value store in "bitcoind -base" prolly fine fancier databases prolly belong in "bitcoind -bchainindexer" when the functionality gets atomized, but take opinion here with hefty pile of salt [07:59]
trinque BingoBoingo: it's worth thinking about for a long time, for sure [08:00]
trinque though if the goal is a perfect client, I think a real database offers helpful tools [08:01]
trinque perfect meaning the data is *never* munged [08:02]
trinque getting utxos, right? that's left-join-where-null between the outputs table and the inputs table [08:07]
trinque seems like what you want is something where you can express the logic of bitcoin clearly, look at it, and say yup, that is bitcoin [08:08]
punkman sqlite would be an order of magnitude more reliable than bdb/leveldb [08:11]
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mircea_popescu digging through trilema (fuck it, i can't find an article hot damn) i found a 2011 pick-up guide. [09:02]
assbot Cum ne imprietenim heterosexual pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [09:02]
mircea_popescu it's pretty great. [09:02]
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danielpbarron height=229694 vs height=193386 [09:09]
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jurov no actually it is: [09:14]
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trinque << there be deeds [09:44]
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trinque at least test ones [09:44]
trinque everything works; tomorrow I'll go over the thing looking for derps, then park it in here for actual use [09:45]
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mats "The combined effect of those separation costs and the hit from the strong dollar will almost halve HP's free cash flow this fiscal year to about $3.5 billion to $4 billion, down from three months ago when it forecast $6.5 billion to $7 billion." [09:58]
mats yowch [09:59]
thestringpuller they still make a good printer [10:04]
thestringpuller jurov: i can't get to that page. "page not available" [10:05]
thestringpuller !up nubbins` hello there good sir [10:05]
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nubbins` ty [10:06]
nubbins` assbot otp down [10:06]
nubbins` hp may make a good printer, but epson makes a better one [10:06]
nubbins` for that matter, Brother laser machines are pretty sweet too [10:06]
kakobrekla !rate assbot 1 test [10:10]
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kakobrekla works here ? [10:11]
kakobrekla anyone cant see that url ? [10:11]
trinque kakobrekla: works [10:13]
jurov damn i meant this thestringpuller [10:29]
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jurov and says "Bad request, could not find the requested OTP." [10:30]
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danielpbarron it expired, probably [10:33]
danielpbarron it worked for me 25 minutes ago [10:34]
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chetty [11:08]
assbot Why the modern world is bad for your brain | Science | The Guardian ... ( ) [11:08]
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lobbes "Now more people have mobile phones than have toilets. This has created an implicit expectation that you should be able to reach someone when it is convenient for you, regardless of whether it is convenient for them. This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say, “I’m sorry, I can’t talk now, I’m in a meeting.” Just a decade or two ago, those same people would h [11:51]
lobbes ave let a landline on their desk go unanswered during a meeting, so different were the expectations for reachability." << Heh, I've seen people do this.. still strikes me as rude [11:51]
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pete_dushenski thx bb! [12:05]
pete_dushenski scoopbot -fetch [12:05]
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pete_dushenski “a politician who stays poor is poor at politics.” -hank gonzalez, mexican politician [12:09]
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pete_dushenski scoopbot -fetch [12:13]
fluffypony "a poor person who stays poor is poor at money." - fluffy pony, equine [12:14]
pete_dushenski "network effects anyone?! Early adopters are important people because ADOPTION!" << twitter dood derping at me about pgp adoption [12:14]
pete_dushenski "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al. [12:14]
pete_dushenski fluffypony lol [12:14]
fluffypony we should put pgp in the blockchain [12:15]
fluffypony GPGChain [12:15]
fluffypony powered by GPGCoin [12:15]
pete_dushenski if only this were still 2013, y'know we might have a shot at fleecing some kids with that [12:17]
lobbes hell, you probably still can on scamcointalk [12:17]
fluffypony lol [12:18]
pete_dushenski i would be... impressed if that were still so [12:18]
fluffypony [12:18]
assbot V for Varoufakis | NEO MAGAZIN ROYALE mit Jan Böhmermann - ZDFneo - YouTube ... ( ) [12:18]
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pete_dushenski scoopbot: and don't come back until you sort out your differences with contravex! [12:27]
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nubbins` re: phones and expectations [12:31]
nubbins` there's a really, really easy solution to this [12:31]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: still can't get scoopbot to announce contravex articles? [12:32]
nubbins` turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off. [12:32]
nubbins` suddenly, it doesn't run your life anymore [12:32]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller still. [12:32]
PeterL I figured out that python doesn't seem to like some of contravex's titles [12:32]
pete_dushenski nubbins` lol i thought you were talking about the tracking device part for a sec [12:32]
nubbins` heh nah [12:32]
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assbot Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | ... ( ) [12:33]
nubbins` nothing says "i'm an annoying piece of shit" than an audible call/text noise [12:33]
chetty turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.// most people just cant do that, already addicted [12:33]
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PeterL but scoopbot was not looking at the titles, so I am kinda at a loss as to why it doesn't like contravex [12:33]
thestringpuller nubbins`: i do this with texts. No vibration no sound. Have to put it on ring profile for them to make a noise. But usually you start to check messages when you feel like it rather than compulsively. [12:33]
pete_dushenski ^i'm even reduced to scooping for qntra now. [12:33]
thestringpuller chetty: information addiction is treatable tho [12:33]
nubbins` chetty most people don't *want* to [12:33]
chetty nubbins`, +++ [12:34]
pete_dushenski it's the lowest calorie addiciton going [12:34]
nubbins` they're secretly pleased every time their phone dings in the presence of others [12:34]
pete_dushenski you can't see your brain turning into a fat, slothful mess [12:34]
nubbins` thestringpuller the "down side" is that for the first few weeks, people get snarky with you [12:34]
nubbins` but after a few "yeah, i leave it on silent"s [12:34]
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nubbins` they adjust their expectations [12:35]
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pete_dushenski ty [12:35]
thestringpuller nubbins`: i find those who get snarky are the most addicted. [12:35]
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nubbins` "didn't you see my texts?!?!?!?! i texted you 8 times!!!!!" [12:36]
nubbins` y'know, just in case the first 7 "ding!!!!"s were missed [12:36]
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thestringpuller nubbins`: one symptom of information addiction is "forgets to callback". People who check their phone compulsively will see a text or missed call and make note in working memory to get back with the person. [12:36]
nubbins` and never do [12:36]
chetty <<< power out day before yesterday, discovered I forgot to charge my phone, for oh about 2 weeks :) [12:36]
nubbins` until they see em at the bar two weeks later [12:36]
nubbins` "oh, dude, right" [12:37]
nubbins` chetty :D [12:37]
mircea_popescu << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ? [12:37]
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thestringpuller nubbins`: yes. very similar to symptoms of ADHD. [12:37]
nubbins` we have no landline, so i try not to leave mine dead for more than a few hours at a time [12:37]
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nubbins` hola, pirate [12:38]
nubbins` soy nubbins [12:38]
chetty nubbins`, yeah got to admit I was a little annoyed with myself, no landline here either so no phone charged was kinda dumb [12:38]
mircea_popescu This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say << maybe what has really changed is the expectation re meetings. just a decade or two ago, people would have expected meetings to serve a rational purpose and end with a result. [12:39]
mircea_popescu neither is the case today, people just hang around. [12:39]
nubbins` (incidentally, why does all the milk in the organic section loudly proclaim "I'M MILK!" in spanish? [12:39]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski> "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al. << orphans seeking adoption. nothing wrong with the picture. [12:39]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: this is very precise. [12:39]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i recall at one office job, my boss' boss' boss was getting a promotion, and so called all 120 programmers into a boardroom, 30 at a time, to explain about his new responsibilities but nothing will change for the rest of us [12:39]
mircea_popescu right / [12:40]
nubbins` guy stole 120 hours on the company. a month's work. when an email woulda done [12:40]
nubbins` this is what meetings are [12:40]
mircea_popescu so why wouldn't you answer the phone. it's more like a boring highschool class than a meeting. [12:40]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: people just hang around << i find this is because people lack focus during the meeting. You stay on topic until someone mentions something off topic. "Blah blah blha pink floyd" "Oh you like pink floyd?" 30 minutes later you realize you're still talking about a 70's rock band and not about that thing you're supposed to be meeting about. [12:40]
mircea_popescu no he was being proactive and communicaty or whatchamacallit. [12:40]
nanotube NewLiberty nezZario nijotz nubbins` nullB [12:40]
nubbins` yeah [12:41]
nubbins` doing his due diligence on a go-forward basis [12:41]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller lack of focus lack of schmokus. it's because they're impotent. they know they're impotent. [12:41]
mircea_popescu what else to do ? [12:41]
nubbins` mind you, this was the head of IT [12:41]
nubbins` "how do i get my sound turned on?" head of IT [12:41]
* nubbins` shudders at memory [12:41]
nubbins` incidentally, last monday was my 2-year anniversary of retirement [12:42]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what else to do ? << learn to concentrate better instead of being a fucking child? [12:42]
nubbins` folks: "any regrets?" me: "not doing it sooner" [12:42]
PeterL get better co-workers? [12:42]
mircea_popescu nubbins` turned on as in, sexually ? [12:45]
nubbins` turned on, as in i wanna hear the angry birds smash the pigs [12:46]
nubbins` it was at this job that i realized just because you work as a computer programmer, doesn't mean you know even the basics of what computers are and how they work [12:47]
nubbins` "right-click and copy that" "what?" [12:48]
nubbins` "o.O" [12:48]
BingoBoingo [12:50]
assbot GPG Criticism Reaches New Low As Use Cases Expand | ... ( ) [12:50]
chetty being clueless about the actual tech is what gets you the promotion [12:50]
pete_dushenski nice write-up BingoBoingo ! [12:52]
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nubbins` chetty plenty of amoebas floating around in the upper levels [12:56]
pete_dushenski "The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service (Fiscal Service) today announced that, the government’s secure web based collection portal for payments to federal agencies, now offers both PayPal and Dwolla as payment options." << from a few days ago. [12:56]
nubbins` once an incompetent worker reaches a certain longevity, their dismissal is tacit admittance that they've been fooling everyone all along [12:56]
nubbins` so rather than facing "yep, we've let this dead weight collect a cheque for 15 years" [12:57]
pete_dushenski ^"please don't use cash for anything ever because only bad people use cash" [12:57]
nubbins` they just give 'em a different job in another department [12:57]
nubbins` which, if it didn't accompany a pay raise, would engender the same line of questioning as a dismissal [12:58]
mircea_popescu nubbins` pretty much has it. [12:58]
nubbins` eventually they learn their way around enough that latecomers can easily be fooled into thinking that the variety speak is representative of skill, not imitation [12:59]
nubbins` "who, alex? he's been here longer than i have! knows the place inside out!" [13:00]
nubbins` but all of alex's projects are always fucked up and late [13:00]
nubbins` usually due to "external factors" or "changing requirements" [13:00]
mircea_popescu the problem essentially is that specialist groups do need a variety talk, however "politeness" combined with that results into a lot of nooks and crannies where alex can hide. [13:01]
nubbins` absolutely [13:01]
mircea_popescu it's not coincidental that all successful specialist groups are irreverent. [13:01]
nubbins` when a large, once-profitable company suddenly goes belly-up or massively scales back, you can expect to find a high percentage of alexes on the payroll [13:01]
mircea_popescu you can also expect to find the last time someone made fart jokes publicly @ the expense of people present buried under at least a decade of history. [13:02]
nubbins` bahahahaha. [13:02]
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nubbins` incidentally, you could go on a meaty tangent about public employees right about here [13:05]
nubbins` i'm gonna abstain [13:05]
mircea_popescu lol wut ? abstinence only sex ed ? [13:06]
thestringpuller !up pete_dushenski [13:07]
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pete_dushenski ty! [13:07]
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pete_dushenski ;;ticker [13:09]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.89, Best ask: 236.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 236.99, 24 hour volume: 5556.79789999, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 239.31, 24 hour vwap: 236.80126748 [13:09]
nubbins` mp ok i'm gonna pull out, then [13:09]
nubbins` how bout that? [13:09]
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mircea_popescu !up ga [13:11]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` lol winner. [13:11]
nubbins` :D [13:11]
lobbes re: meetings << Even when they are on-topic, they are rarely organized. I've actually overheard someone in a phone meeting: "we're having a lack of communication about x, I think we should have a meeting on it" [13:13]
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[]bot Bet placed: 11 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before April 2015" Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 6(Y):94(N) by weight. Total bet: 36.4954 BTC. Current weight: 66,312. [13:20]
lobbes pete_dushenski: yeah, I received an email from Dwolla the other day about them partnering with usg.. made me happy I never did any transactions with them. [13:20]
pete_dushenski ya whatever happened to dwolla anyways ? [13:21]
pete_dushenski vis-a-vis bitcoin... [13:22]
lobbes good question [13:22]
pete_dushenski were they just a mt gox thing ? [13:22]
mike_c they were briefly the best way to get usd to mt gox, i don't think they've done anything since. [13:23]
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mircea_popescu the usdwolla thing is not news in any sense anyway. [13:26]
danielpbarron << if anyone wants to make an "adult" pogo, i have some instructions documented here [13:34]
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asciilifeform danielpbarron: neato. could use some asciiart [13:36]
danielpbarron what kind? you mean diagrams? or just a fancy header? [13:36]
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asciilifeform diagram [13:37]
danielpbarron hrm.. i'll see what i can come up with (warning, might be ugly!) [13:37]
danielpbarron in the meantime i reference .jpeg images of the most important things to see [13:37]
asciilifeform emacs 'artist-mode' helps [13:38]
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asciilifeform jurov: any idea why turdatron hiccupped the way it did? curious thing [13:39]
asciilifeform and yes, it seems to show now, [13:39]
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mircea_popescu When I say, "Read the source," I mean, read Satoshi. [13:41]
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mircea_popescu ahahaha epic, [13:41]
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asciilifeform waiwat [13:41]
danielpbarron I have never seen, let alone used, emacs [13:41]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: fortunately, should you wish to see emacs, there is no need to cross the equator and make your way through the jaguars to the ocelots [13:42]
danielpbarron :D [13:42]
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asciilifeform 'I've never sailed the Amazon, / And I've never reached Brazil; / But the Don and Magdelana, / They can go there when they will!' [13:44]
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assbot Check Out Stanton's Strange New Helmet | Fish Bytes ... ( ) [13:53]
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assbot The slaughtering of a bull. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [14:02]
pete_dushenski ^so much for my 'free health club membership' [14:03]
pete_dushenski dat waterfall played spoiler on my bullish cockiness [14:03]
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trinque +mircea_popescu | << there be deeds << cool. why are some repeated ? << test values; I published bundles with the same messages a few times while working
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00039696 = 22.4282 BTC [-] [14:06]
trinque I'll clear out what's currently uploaded when I have deedbot join [14:06]
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pete_dushenski danielpbarron nice work on the adult pogo guide! [14:07]
* pete_dushenski wonders if he'll ever be an adult by this measure [14:08]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Congrats on setting yourself up to meet "Artist Mode" [14:09]
pete_dushenski random lady on twitter: "Pete I had money taken out of my bitcoin wallet (block chain) on 2014-09-16 Can you tell me where to go for help?" [14:09]
pete_dushenski me: "Help? What help? This is Bitcoin." [14:09]
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mike_c pete_dushenski: kudos for posting the follow up on that :) [14:12]
mike_c I was wondering how that ended up. [14:12]
* BingoBoingo was expecting it last month, Waterfall wasn't as strong as my gut feared. [14:13]
mike_c omg that dilbert cartoon :D where's my favorite TA when i need him [14:14]
mike_c ;;seen thickasthieves [14:14]
gribble thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 53 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: but you da boss [14:14]
mike_c "you should buy a stock whenver the chart looks like a squirrel sitting on a clown's shoulder" [14:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00039696 = 11.0029 BTC [-] [14:15]
pete_dushenski mike_c lol my pleasure :D [14:18]
pete_dushenski dilbert's been on a roll with this pointy-haired investment advice series [14:19]
mats [14:23]
assbot Wealth Destroyers | George Monbiot ... ( ) [14:23]
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pete_dushenski where have i seen monbiot's name before ? [14:25]
pete_dushenski !s monbiot [14:25]
assbot 0 results for 'monbiot' : [14:25]
mats do you read the guardian often? [14:25]
mats [14:26]
assbot With this attack on community energy the 'big six' win out over big society | George Monbiot | Environment | The Guardian ... ( ) [14:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70900 @ 0.00039653 = 28.114 BTC [-] {2} [14:26]
mats another good one [14:27]
assbot The welfare dependants the government loves? Rich landowners | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian ... ( ) [14:27]
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thestringpuller so i'm on an All Hands call for the marketing department [14:30]
thestringpuller if I was plaiyng the "take a shot when buzzword is used" drinking game [14:30]
thestringpuller i'd be drunk by now [14:30]
fluffypony cloud! [14:31]
lobbes 'x as a service' [14:31]
mircea_popescu that cap agricultural benefits thing is uniquely misguided. [14:32]
mircea_popescu "rich" does not mean what the poor imagine it means. the notion of running a farm on 26k subsidies a year... heh. [14:33]
mircea_popescu here's the thing : just because inflation has made every pauper think he holds money doesn't change the fact that a farmer today is worth a hundred million just by simply maintaining equality with a farmer of relatively the same social importance back in 1615. [14:34]
BingoBoingo Or they've surrendered in some cases to being a form of sharecropper. Depends on what and where they farm as well as how daddy ran the business [14:36]
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mircea_popescu james smith's farm fed five hundred people in 1615. these aren't "500 out of the total pop of 5mn" for the same reason discussed in the thread about "average life expectancy" [14:36]
mircea_popescu most of those 5mn picked rags in london. [14:36]
mircea_popescu keeping the same *proportions* that farm's easily running deficits of millions today, for the reasons explained in [14:37]
assbot The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:37]
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mircea_popescu if the chem lobby seriously wants to strangle the pretty farm girl, that's one thing. but framing that discussion in terms of "rich" is about as helpful as proposing beer is better than wine because it bubbles. [14:38]
asciilifeform << obligatory [14:39]
assbot Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life --- (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube ... ( ) [14:39]
BingoBoingo << Headquarts is large steel and glass building many miles from any place charitably labeled a "town" One farmer many sharecroppers [14:41]
assbot Who We Are - The Maschhoffs ... ( ) [14:41]
assbot The Maschhoffs buys 2 Indiana pig farms - St. Louis Business Journal ... ( ) [14:41]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform -watch stoned << lol! [14:42]
thestringpuller ;;goog in which you become corn [14:45]
gribble Error: "goog" is not a valid command. [14:45]
thestringpuller ;;google in which you become corn [14:45]
gribble Wikileaks - MCLXII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; How to enter Failville pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Wikileaks - MCCLVII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [14:45]
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chetty As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. [14:49]
asciilifeform chetty: link ? [14:49]
chetty [14:51]
assbot Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle | ... ( ) [14:51]
BingoBoingo Oh, now I'm syncing blocks from when I started sync'ing [14:52]
BingoBoingo [14:52]
assbot ATF Aims to Ban Popular AR-15 Ammo — The Patriot Post ... ( ) [14:52]
BingoBoingo "Comments period" ends March 16th [14:52]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: can't find the article which talks about kids in US being analagous to growing corn [14:54]
thestringpuller circa 2013 [14:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00039299 = 9.8248 BTC [-] [14:54]
asciilifeform 'There is just one set of rules that are effective and widely deployed: those that enforce the destruction of the natural world. Buried in the cross-compliance regulations is a measure called GAEC 12. This insists that, to receive their money, farmers must prevent "unwanted vegetation" from growing on their land. (The rest of us call it wildlife habitat.) Even if their land is producing nothing, they must cut, graze or spray i [14:54]
asciilifeform t with herbicides to get their money. Unlike soil erosion, compaction and pollution, breaches of this rule are easy to detect and enforce: if the inspectors see trees returning to the land, the subsidy can be cut off altogether.' [14:54]
BingoBoingo "But M855 has well-documented shortcomings against soft targets (see Somalia, Iraq, etc.) The other common loading, M193, is more effective against soft targets. So the side effect of this ruling would be that more AR-15 owners would buy rounds that are more effective in the typical domestic shooting. The only people this rule change protects is the government, whose varmints wear Kevlar." [14:54]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: [14:58]
assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 18:26:21; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap [14:58]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller [14:58]
assbot In which you become grain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:58]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Seems to be much like that [14:58]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious' [14:58]
thestringpuller grain not corn. thanks mircea_popescu [14:58]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is possible, with current tech, to recycle shells in jungle conditions, but not to produce them, or primers, or bullet adequate for modern rifle [14:59]
BingoBoingo "Reloading" cases fine, powders common... engineered primers and bullets far less so [15:00]
mircea_popescu the "3d printed" guns were obviously going to push towards regulation of bullets. [15:00]
mircea_popescu all these kids hoping that some sort of magical "tech" is going to get them into the girl's panties were very poorly parented. apparently nobody told them any of the numerous genie stories. [15:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for some odd reason, the plumping shop 'guns' popular since '50s - didn't [15:01]
mircea_popescu "you don't refine your query, numbnuts. you BECOME the genie." [15:01]
BingoBoingo More mundane calibers (revolvers, mundane stuff) cast lead bullets are still fine [15:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not if you want to cause actual damage [15:01]
mircea_popescu where's that matasareanu article... [15:02]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: may as well suggest arbalest [15:02]
mircea_popescu [15:02]
asciilifeform ^ works quite well against unadorned kevlar, one might add [15:02]
assbot Strategii in lupta antisociala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [15:02]
mircea_popescu i suppose i should translate this huh.. [15:02]
BingoBoingo Just Kalash and stoner rifle require "cleaner" bullets. [15:02]
mircea_popescu brb translating [15:03]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: anything that semi/auto cycles needs modern shell, to ~.1mm tolerance or so [15:03]
asciilifeform that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money) [15:03]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Right. Also with Stoner rifle, Gas fouling is a problem with unplated bullets. [15:04]
BingoBoingo that or 'caseless' strange (never, afaik, really perfected, despite ocean of money) << Olin Brass can has lobbyist too [15:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: gas fouling << don't build rifles that 'shit where they eat' - problem solved [15:04]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: as far as i understand, usg's refusal to adopt the correct solution, the gas piston, was pure nationalistic lunacy and little else [15:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, guy who came up with USG's currrent rifle prototype did so during time when USia discovered the wonders of hallucinogenics [15:06]
thestringpuller ^- that was a good time [15:07]
BingoBoingo Eugene Stoner was probably a stoner, if not occasional enthusiast of more interesting chemicals back then [15:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not based on ww2 'garand' ? [15:07]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not the M-16 Based on "AR-10" M1 Garand inspired M-14 (still in limited recycled use) [15:08]
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BingoBoingo Maybe Garand might have had something to do with the mouth shitting trend though. [15:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i've always wondered why internal mechanicals (trigger mechanisms, bolt, receiver) aren't chromium plated as modern (post '44 or so) barrels are [15:11]
BingoBoingo "Wear Item" [15:12]
jurov hi asciilifeform, if you still want dedi server for bitcoins, around ~$50 , we can do hetzner [15:12]
asciilifeform and barrel isn't ?! [15:12]
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BingoBoingo Of course it is too. Just hard to pay contractor for parts that don't deplete frequently enough. [15:13]
asciilifeform jurov: neat. i'll consider it [15:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but there is almost certainly a sound physical reason, because same was true on ru side [15:13]
asciilifeform i simply don't happen to know what it is [15:13]
jurov i need to know what is the priority, CPU or RAM or SSD is a must? [15:13]
asciilifeform jurov: cpu, then ram, then disk (not necessarily ssd, but at least mirrored mechanical) [15:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That is a point [15:16]
asciilifeform 'you need to go fuck yourself in the arsehole with a nice red hot iron dildo. I think that ought to improve your minuscule intellect.' -- from today's fan mail [15:21]
kakobrekla hetzner takes bitcoin ? [15:21]
jurov kakobrekla: no I take it [15:21]
kakobrekla if you are converting there are cheaper options than hetzner [15:22]
jurov even cheaper than their auction? [15:22]
kakobrekla yup [15:22]
kakobrekla example; [15:22]
assbot Dedibox® Classic 2015 - ... ( ) [15:22]
kakobrekla although cheapest ssd option , hetzner might be better [15:24]
kakobrekla here is another cheap dedi [15:24]
assbot BSNServers - Bargain dedicated servers and hosting - Dedicated Servers in Europe ... ( ) [15:24]
asciilifeform thing is, the requirements are somewhat peculiar (minimal bandwidth, max cpu/ram, minimal disk) [15:25]
kakobrekla you want ssd ? [15:25]
asciilifeform not necessarily [15:25]
asciilifeform phuctor is 99% cpu-bound [15:25]
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kakobrekla ah i thought we were talking bitcoind sync test or some such [15:26]
kakobrekla anyway, i gave you the links, your call entirely [15:26]
asciilifeform ty kakobrekla, jurov [15:26]
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asciilifeform i'll suggest it to mircea_popescu once s.nsa has revenue [15:27]
kakobrekla hm [15:27]
asciilifeform (presently phuctor is paid for by yours truly, pro bono) [15:27]
kakobrekla if you have a really lightweight worker client i can give you some cores [15:27]
asciilifeform because usd is a renewable resource [15:28]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: i want the whole thing on one box because i haven't the time or inclination to play sysadmin [15:28]
kakobrekla mhm [15:28]
jurov these other offers have considerable slower cpu than can be auctioned in hetzner at same price [15:28]
kakobrekla eh? [15:28]
kakobrekla for 30 eur you get shit [15:29]
kakobrekla on hetzner [15:29]
jurov Intel Core i7-3770 is shit? [15:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89924 @ 0.00040552 = 36.466 BTC [+] [15:29]
kakobrekla that is 31! [15:30]
asciilifeform lol [15:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52162 @ 0.00040808 = 21.2863 BTC [+] [15:30]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm guessing that fan didn't see your extant writings on the topic? Or perhaps wasn't a spamateur and had? [15:32]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: another butthurt 'clojure' user [15:32]
BingoBoingo Ah, so still spamateur [15:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107182 @ 0.00039266 = 42.0861 BTC [-] {2} [15:35]
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jurov asciilifeform: so either that i7-3770 or Xeon E3-1245V2 with ECC RAM for 7 euros more [15:40]
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asciilifeform jurov: neato. hopefully this will still exist by the time it is needed [15:41]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'clojure' << lol how'd you get that level of hatred up? [15:42]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ancient post still magnet for emotional crud [15:43]
ben_vulpes dang. [15:43]
jurov asciilifeform i was thinking you want to move phuctor sooner but ok :) [15:43]
asciilifeform jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense for s.nsa until revenue >0, and can't picture mircea_popescu liking the idea much either [15:45]
jurov it's not very large, but i understand [15:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103353 @ 0.00039096 = 40.4069 BTC [-] {3} [15:46]
asciilifeform jurov: unless i misunderstand, it is potentially unbound - tied to eu exchange rate [15:46]
jurov that yes, but can be subject to agreement. [15:47]
mircea_popescu [15:47]
mircea_popescu here we go. [15:47]
assbot Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [15:47]
mircea_popescu -- from today's fan mail << what was that for lol [15:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ancient post, [15:49]
assbot Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( ) [15:49]
asciilifeform continues to stimulate the easily-stimulated, etc [15:49]
mircea_popescu jurov: can't recommend a large, recurring btc expense << fiddy bux isn't large yo. [15:50]
asciilifeform see above [15:50]
mircea_popescu so if it goes to shit it gets cancelled i guess. [15:50]
asciilifeform aha see but my fiddy-us doesn't have to be cancelled [15:50]
mircea_popescu << this guy's fucking hot, srsly now. [15:52]
assbot The Crazy World of Feminist Theater - YouTube ... ( ) [15:52]
jurov dunno, not my type [15:53]
asciilifeform 'If the police doesn't show up, off you go to your business. If the police does show up, butcher the civillians.' << already sop, palestine, etc. - just minus the bank part [15:53]
mircea_popescu everywhere where people are winning. [15:54]
asciilifeform (suicide bomber doesn't need money. at least, not especially much of it.) [15:54]
ben_vulpes "who am i with my white cis-gendered privilege to pass judgement on such a masterpiece?" [15:54]
mircea_popescu jurov more for me. [15:55]
jurov :) [15:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in usa, bank happily hands robber a bag of money with small mine inside [15:56]
asciilifeform this is sop for a generation now [15:56]
mircea_popescu luckily it comes with meatshield. [15:56]
asciilifeform for some reason hardly any ever bother to defuse the mine, even though its design is published quite openly in the patent (yes) [15:56]
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asciilifeform other observation, of course, is that $maxint in stolen cash doesn't really deprive the bank of anything - more is printed, delivered next day [15:58]
ben_vulpes "FDIC Insurance" [15:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i doubt they bother with the paperwork [15:58]
asciilifeform or public notices [15:59]
asciilifeform it just... happens [15:59]
asciilifeform recall mircea_popescu's article re: the petadollars' worth of precious paper that got 'thermonuked' in the new york flood ? [15:59]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Aha! You aren't so anti-drug after all!!! [16:00]
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asciilifeform who noticed it? [16:00]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski [16:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:15]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'reop' proggy appears to use usgoogle's crypto turdlib [16:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, I offered the caveat of redone entirely. [16:18]
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asciilifeform incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ? [16:19]
asciilifeform ( ) [16:19]
assbot kmackay/micro-ecc · GitHub ... ( ) [16:19]
thestringpuller is surgical even possible? [16:19]
asciilifeform or does it also have to wait until i'm cloned ten times and can finally do everything [16:19]
thestringpuller this is more of a frankentstein operation [16:19]
BingoBoingo as far as user interface and "armored text block" goes, looks about right reop looks about right. Just needs to dump the part where done in go and depends on external google library [16:20]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: 1) it does the basic maths 2) brief enough to be humanly readable with some effort [16:20]
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BingoBoingo Suffice to say reop is still a toy, but one that apes proper function better than moxenslit's toy [16:21]
asciilifeform other than that, i cannot comment on the quality [16:21]
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asciilifeform (was speaking here of 'micro-ecc') [16:21]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: the process of removing openssl from bitcoind seems like that operation Tony Stark underwent. [16:21]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: i'm cloned ten times << Do you think you'd work well, with yourself? Hopefully it's not like that Dexter's Lab episode. [16:22]
asciilifeform nope [16:22]
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asciilifeform put'em on separate continents. [16:22]
asciilifeform << ends up ~half again as long if you snip out the ifdefs for unreasonably small (8, 16-bit) machines [16:26]
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asciilifeform do any of you feel up to the task of ada-izing this ? [16:26]
asciilifeform until this happens, we're playing 'underhanded c contest' [16:26]
BingoBoingo put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software. [16:27]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: we're talking about the classical fictional clones, naturally, rather than the boring younger twin brother kind [16:27]
BingoBoingo Ah [16:27]
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mats asciilifeform: i may be able to wrangle some time on a cluster if you're interested in doing a batch job [16:30]
mats would be a good stop-gap until jurov gets going [16:31]
asciilifeform mats: i am specifically not interested in shuttling crud back & forth [16:31]
asciilifeform have plenty of cpu here at home [16:31]
asciilifeform but want to push button and forget again. [16:31]
mats ok [16:31]
punkman asciilifeform: I wonder how much extra code we'll need to make microecc (or whatever else) parse/verify all the different crap already in blockchain [16:33]
mats [16:34]
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asciilifeform punkman: that is clearly part of the puzzle [16:34]
punkman I'd be interested in learning Ada (or other language), but damn that's some gnarly syntax [16:35]
* BingoBoingo has build against LibreSSL 2.0 syncing, 9 days of history left, no wedge blocks [16:36]
asciilifeform punkman: get the 'rationale' book. every piece of 'gnarl' is justified, and the justification reads like your local fire code - every line is likely there because of a corpse [16:36]
punkman I don't think we have fire code :P [16:37]
punkman asciilifeform: should I be looking at ada 2012 flavour? [16:40]
asciilifeform punkman: 2005 or better yet 95 [16:40]
asciilifeform none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build [16:40]
asciilifeform (they require the runtime libs) [16:40]
asciilifeform while the original 1983 standard had warts that were fixed in 95 [16:41]
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punkman handy table [16:48]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: because of a corpse << reminds me of this tv show Venture Bros. First episode this henchman named Speedy was brutally killed by super body guard (Brock Samson). So in subsequent episodes the veteran henchman are like "So, lemme tell you about a story about a henchman named Speedy." [16:54]
thestringpuller "All fun and games until someone dies?" or something like that. [16:55]
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asciilifeform << ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al [17:23]
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ben_vulpes you're running some interesting experiments, asciilifeform. [17:25]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: that was about 10 minutes' work, and if you notice - didn't lead to a usable result [17:26]
asciilifeform but posted it in case somebody takes an interest in the concept [17:26]
* ben_vulpes read, noticed. [17:26]
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BingoBoingo Nailgun 'Suicides' are getting more ambitious [17:36]
assbot Missouri Auditor and governor candidate Tom Schweich has died : News ... ( ) [17:36]
BingoBoingo "His death was confirmed by his office early Thursday afternoon, just hours after Schweich had requested an interview with reporters for the Post-Dispatch and the Associated Press at his Clayton home later in the day." [17:36]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: [17:38]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:16; asciilifeform: at this point, quite a few people will not believe, e.g., the camps, even when they end up inside. [17:38]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon. [17:38]
asciilifeform quite a few folks who ought to know better make monkey noises when i/anyone speak of 'shadow state' and lizardhitler [17:38]
asciilifeform what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ? [17:39]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: consider writing up for qntra ? [17:41]
chetty what, i wonder, goes through their heads when the nailgun fires and their gut is stapled to their chair ?// they still dont believe [17:41]
BingoBoingo I'm considering it. [17:41]
BingoBoingo Schweich was notorious for breaking up all kinds of small bezzels in his first terms as State Auditor, announced candidacy for governor a few weeks ago, would have probably won. Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence. [17:43]
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mike_c ? that doesn't say nailgun [17:43]
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asciilifeform mike_c: the actual type of small arm used is unimportant [17:43]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Once again escalation [17:44]
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mike_c well, sort of unimportant. it is stylish when they actually use a nailgun [17:44]
asciilifeform mike_c: 'nailgun' in this context is the proverbial 'convenient suicide' of someone who 'needed to have problems' [17:44]
asciilifeform that is, someone who created problems for usg [17:44]
asciilifeform and wouldn't turn asset when asked nicely [17:44]
asciilifeform (or, alternatively, needed to be taken off the gameboard in an unusual hurry) [17:45]
BingoBoingo Schweich had actually in past careers been a well labeled and prominent "asset" of things [17:45]
asciilifeform because, possibly, found to have been planning some action to which there is no convenient, clean usg response. [17:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the most 'instructive' deaths are usually reserved for 'former assets' [17:46]
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punkman asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern? [17:47]
asciilifeform punkman: the distinction is meaningless [17:47]
BingoBoingo Pretense of credibility was likely established with "negative campaign ad" run beginning yesterday by local kook who presented no credible chance at winning the office [17:47]
asciilifeform punkman: much of what i call usg consists, on paper, of 'private' concerns [17:48]
asciilifeform e.g. microsoft [17:48]
asciilifeform incidentally, lies are much cheaper than bullets [17:54]
asciilifeform unless you know that schmuck personally, don't blithely assume that he died in his house (conveniently pictured in article) or that his wife is still alive, etc [17:54]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: assume that he died << you mean like faking his death? [17:55]
thestringpuller as it stands this is probably best way to disappear completely without actual death. [17:56]
asciilifeform for all we know, he's sitting on an anthill right now somewhere at 'the farm' (look it up), writhing on camera for showing to future 'candidates' [17:56]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Nah, the in his house part [17:56]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: nope [17:56]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: oh you're saying they staged his death and now he's prisoner until actual death? [17:57]
asciilifeform again no. [17:57]
asciilifeform or rather, not necessarily [17:57]
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asciilifeform merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley [17:58]
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BingoBoingo !up gabriel_laddel [17:58]
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gabriel_laddel Thanks. [17:58]
assbot Daniel Kahn & The Painted Bird - Rats - YouTube ... ( ) [17:58]
asciilifeform ^ aha the 'inner emigration' folks [18:00]
gabriel_laddel The very same. Lovely music, this. [18:00]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out. [18:00]
asciilifeform ^ or. [18:01]
thestringpuller what do you know about iptables? [18:01]
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PeterL BingoBoingo: article mentions he was on the phone just before shot was heard, perhaps agent was explaining how he would find those things tomorrow unless [18:02]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Why not just use pf [18:03]
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thestringpuller PeterL: this is why there are no patriots anymore. [18:03]
thestringpuller How can you be a patriot if your own country will back stab you? [18:03]
gabriel_laddel ;; site: "America isn't a people" [18:04]
gribble Error: "site:" is not a valid command. [18:04]
gabriel_laddel ;; google site: "America isn't a people" [18:04]
gribble The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: [18:04]
asciilifeform what's a german patriot in '45. [18:04]
gabriel_laddel eh, not what I wanted, and I don't care to find the article. In any case, what is 'your country' anyway? [18:05]
PeterL asciilifeform: the ones trying to assasinate Hitler? [18:05]
thestringpuller gabriel_laddel: this is a good country. in a world where a country betrays their soldiers, what do those soldiers do? [18:06]
gabriel_laddel die [18:06]
thestringpuller this is a good point* [18:06]
gabriel_laddel !s ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on [18:06]
assbot 0 results for 'ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on' : [18:06]
asciilifeform << obligatory [18:07]
assbot Time Travel Hitler Photo by drmabuse06 | Photobucket ... ( ) [18:07]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: You want the hotel article [18:07]
gabriel_laddel !s [18:07]
assbot Logged on 21-08-2014 03:24:30; asciilifeform: most russians in chechnya, pre-collapse, weren't instinctively afraid of their neighbours either. [18:07]
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gabriel_laddel "time travel hitler" lolol [18:08]
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nubbins` hi [18:09]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: I was looking for an article with photos from MP touring the US where he comments something to effect of "the US is fucked, it is a collection of people who have nothing in common". In any case, the hotel article should suffice. [18:10]
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mats << wayland, mir, not competition? [18:10]
assbot Logged on 09-02-2015 20:23:01; asciilifeform: x sucks and no competition [18:10]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Fire in Alabama [18:11]
asciilifeform mats: nope [18:11]
asciilifeform mats: for one thing, it it can't be piped over ip, it isn't a substitute for x [18:11]
asciilifeform i don't care what the fuck else it does. [18:11]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time [18:11]
asciilifeform and fuck the 'desktop unix!!111!!!111' people with red hot dildo. [18:11]
asciilifeform i -use- the functionality they don't see a purpose for. [18:12]
nubbins` cheap/colorful paper, super intense colors, very bold graphics [18:12]
asciilifeform and so do other thinking folks. [18:12]
nubbins` all about the utter failings/piece-of-shittedness of the phoundation [18:12]
nubbins` offer it as "mystery poster" for the cost of s&h [18:13]
PeterL asciilifeform: which functionality are they trying to remove? [18:13]
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nubbins` lucky recipient opens tube, out falls a half dozen cheap posters he can keep/paste/sell/give away [18:13]
asciilifeform PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp [18:13]
asciilifeform in favour of either nothing or winblows-style whole-display 'remote desktop' bullshit [18:14]
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asciilifeform i actually know of no exception to this [18:14]
asciilifeform if anyone does, please link. [18:14]
nubbins` well. either mapping the phailings of the phoundation (someone with knowledge of recent "vote" should chime in here) or the virtues of the .foundation [18:15]
asciilifeform fact is, i can run a graphical proggy on machine at other side of my house, or other side of the planet, and have the output - regardless of where in my display devices i shove it - look -exactly- the same as if it were local [18:15]
asciilifeform on x11 [18:15]
asciilifeform and nowhere else. [18:15]
asciilifeform and what's more, because bitmaps aren't much flowing over the wire, it'll be usably fast. [18:16]
asciilifeform how this strikes anyone as an optional frill, is beyond me [18:16]
asciilifeform but count me 100% in favour of mircea_popescu's proposal to get these idiots off computers and preferably - eventually - off the electric grid likewise. [18:17]
asciilifeform because they don't belong living with people. [18:17]
asciilifeform not that x11 has no warts [18:17]
asciilifeform but afaik, none of the extant 'alternatives' is an actual alternative. [18:18]
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asciilifeform ^ neato [18:20]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: [18:21]
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assbot Missouri State Auditor Dies of Gunshot Wound | ... ( ) [18:23]
mircea_popescu "BitGo is the only company in the industry we trust to secure our hot wallet. The integration was very straightforward, and now I can sleep better at night knowing that my customers' holdings are secured with BitGo." [18:23]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cache original article! [18:23]
mircea_popescu it'd have been a lot more helpful if instead of empty boasts and declarative statements they just explained the math. [18:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: before it's gone. [18:23]
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mircea_popescu how exactly is the api working ? gpg ? [18:23]
thestringpuller PeterL: scoopbot malfunction. [18:23]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: no some toy crypto [18:23]
PeterL yeah, I see, working on it, bleh [18:23]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: [18:24]
thestringpuller don't open unless you want to take your IQ down a bit [18:25]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo New Reno: Accepted. [18:25]
BingoBoingo Oic [18:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Saved [18:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i meant, save & mirrorlink [18:25]
thestringpuller "Almost all BitGo API interfaces require authentication. This begins with a username/password at the Login Endpoint and requires 2-factor authentication via Authy or your mobile phone (set up via the BitGo website)." [18:25]
asciilifeform statically link! [18:26]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Working on the second part [18:26]
mircea_popescu ffs, i can sleep safer at night knowing that usagi v2.0 is offering derpsurance. [18:26]
mircea_popescu << too risky., [18:26]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 19:15:09; asciilifeform: incidentally, is somebody here interested in attempting a surgical replacement of 'openssl' in bitcoind 0.5.3 with 'micro-ecc' ? [18:26]
mircea_popescu it's worth doing on a test network just to count subtle bugs. [18:26]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not 'testnet' but deterministic sync from single node (neither on public net) [18:27]
asciilifeform if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct. [18:28]
mircea_popescu not so. [18:28]
asciilifeform (if you're waiting for someone to mathematically prove equivalence, you'll be waiting a long time) [18:28]
thestringpuller << srsly enc/dec via Javascript in browser?!?!? [18:28]
thestringpuller or node.js?!? [18:28]
mircea_popescu you're stuck with that. how do you think the original fork happened. [18:28]
asciilifeform stuck with what ? [18:29]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: are you talking about the berkleydb thing? [18:29]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Original block 168000 fork no one knew about [18:33]
asciilifeform fact is, 'hey hey ho ho' openssl 'has got to go' [18:35]
asciilifeform one way or other. [18:35]
asciilifeform fully algorithmic statement of bitcoin cannot have 'and a turd goes here' [18:35]
asciilifeform it should ask for only a tcp stack and a place to park bytes in some nonvolatile way [18:36]
punkman even openssl can't confirm all it's own signatures [18:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform stuck with math proven equivalence. [18:37]
mircea_popescu well, no, but the openssl code as-was. [18:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: somebody would have to cough up a mathematicized model of 'c' and stdlib + rest of the spittoon [18:38]
asciilifeform don't expect it to happen this side of the next millenium [18:38]
mircea_popescu the problem with the "if it valdiates the previous chain is good enough" approach is its very pure gavinderpitude. [18:39]
mircea_popescu ie, "we imagine ourselves the owners of a distributed project" [18:39]
asciilifeform certainly can't consist just of that [18:39]
asciilifeform you need mathematical proof [18:39]
asciilifeform but of internal consistency [18:39]
asciilifeform rather than bug-for-bug equivalence to the turd [18:39]
PeterL what happens if we remove a bug and it no longer syncs? [18:40]
asciilifeform PeterL: depends what kind of bug [18:40]
asciilifeform if it was an exploitable bug, old chain is a dead man walking [18:40]
asciilifeform if non exploitable, then 'it ain't a bug, it's a feature' [18:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd suggest, in characteristic crackpottery, to have the two ecdsa modules operate in tandem. [18:41]
asciilifeform in separate address spaces. [18:41]
asciilifeform until such a day as folks with 'skin in game' no longer think it necessary. [18:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Story updated with turdory cached [18:41]
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punkman BingoBoingo: .zip link is wrong [18:42]
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BingoBoingo punkman: fxd nao [18:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform righjt, kinda what i meant by runninmg it on testnet to see [18:43]
nubbins` 1/5th of what of vodka [18:43]
nubbins` and what is the unit you're about to use in real units [18:43]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: 1/5th is its own unit of measure for packaged liquor [18:44]
nubbins` okay, but... [18:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i meant actual tandem, as in 'every sig ever checked/generated from both interfaces, and all the world's bells will surely ring if the answer ever differs' [18:44]
nubbins` vol*5 = ? [18:44]
nubbins` oh, a gallon. [18:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nice move linking the local site. should be standing policy : all news is local news, always eschew the aggregators, from reuters to gawker, in favour of the source. [18:44]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: 750 ml, so 5 of those would be a gallon if liters were quarts [18:44]
mircea_popescu << imagine the thing go wrong and alf becoming four alfettes. [18:45]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 19:22:44; BingoBoingo: put'em on separate continents. << Hard part is not cloning the hardware. It is cloning the history and software. [18:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, was local enough news that I knew local source [18:45]
mircea_popescu all vying for supremacy and the hand in marriage of the one true alf [18:46]
mircea_popescu ww3 and a decentscifi premise right there. [18:46]
nubbins` BingoBoingo we call this size bottle a "twenty-sixer" [18:46]
asciilifeform l0lz [18:46]
nubbins` on account of it being 750mL in volume [18:46]
jurov ;;ticker [18:47]
danielpbarron "I just drank of fifth of vodka; dare me to drive?" --Eminem [18:47]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 236.57, Best ask: 236.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 236.89, 24 hour volume: 5325.74561124, 24 hour low: 234.01, 24 hour high: 238.55, 24 hour vwap: 236.609743047 [18:47]
nubbins` "oh god, please let me die beneath her fists" -- nick cave [18:47]
nubbins` ;p [18:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit [18:48]
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asciilifeform (aramaic, greek, latin, vulgar tongues... coexisting uneasily) [18:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ecdsa << this is gonna go just like the christian scriptural translations thing, isnnit << Yes, and no curves can have identifiers which are too stand out, especially if they are useful at all [18:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is actually the reason why my first suggestion was to merely rip out the relevant parts of openssl (pick a version) so as the build ends up - 1) self-contained 2) bitwise identical binary [18:50]
asciilifeform rip out and roll in, that is [18:50]
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nubbins` asciilifeform: ...rubes misquoting poor translations as literal truths... [18:51]
asciilifeform bitwise-identical doesn't need a mathematician to prove... just a copy of 'diff' [18:51]
nubbins` hm [18:51]
PeterL asciilifeform: sort of making a static fork of the library with only the parts used by bitcoind? [18:52]
asciilifeform PeterL: right [18:52]
BingoBoingo 5 days of history left to sync [18:52]
asciilifeform nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation [18:52]
asciilifeform see his article re: how 'no one alive has the authority to create a fork, deliberate or otherwise' (don't have link handy) [18:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> nubbins`: mircea_popescu takes a 'sapper errs once' attitude to bitcoin compatibility, for reasons which should need no explanation << Kinda why my -qt OpenBSD experiment is vaguely described in blog post. If I hit a grendade do not want others suffering same one [18:53]
BingoBoingo Also my porting effort consisted on delete, ctrl-c, and ctrl-v and watching compiler errors [18:54]
nubbins` heh [18:55]
nubbins` we call this "test driven development" [18:55]
BingoBoingo Well, I also read the previous porting efforts [18:55]
asciilifeform the thing is, eventually this 0.5.3 thing is going to have to, like or not, -add- vs merely remove [18:55]
asciilifeform if only to fix obvious and intolerable flaws like the orphans leak [18:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite substantially the same thing yes [18:56]
nubbins` BingoBoingo, cazalla much work involved in collating a list -- say 10-20 items -- of the phoundation's biggest boondoggles/fuckups/skeletons/whatever? [18:56]
nubbins` things that shine the light, as it were [18:56]
nubbins` i feel like one of you guys would be in the know [18:56]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Why don't you give it a whirl [18:56]
mircea_popescu nubbins` sounds like a fine way to begin your qntra career. [18:57]
punkman some useful scripts for archiving links and Firefox URL history in particular [18:57]
assbot Archiving URLs - ... ( ) [18:57]
nubbins` it's actually a fine way to dig in on this poster project, but i don't have the time or the inclination to dig through years of phoundation phollies [18:58]
* BingoBoingo doesn't run a firefox with a concept of "history" [18:58]
asciilifeform with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen [18:58]
thestringpuller danielpbarron listens to eminem?!? [18:58]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Thing of it as argueing against a laser dude [18:58]
nubbins` heh. [18:58]
thestringpuller my name is... [18:58]
asciilifeform evidently, no one has the time or inclination [18:58]
nubbins` asciilifeform no kidding [18:59]
asciilifeform (rather -and-) [18:59]
nubbins` i've got the time and inclination to illustrate and print the things [18:59]
BingoBoingo with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen << "Numbers Station" [18:59]
nubbins` so if someone's looking for a chance to make it matter, maybe earn yourself some trust (i'm looking at you, everyone without +v), this might be an opportunity [19:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no, actual technical discussion [19:00]
asciilifeform or better yet, code [19:00]
asciilifeform or at the very least review the backport [19:00]
asciilifeform ( ) [19:01]
assbot ... ( ) [19:01]
danielpbarron thestringpuller> danielpbarron listens to eminem?!? << I used to; my mom once lectured me on how terrible it was -- she now loves the guy and can sing along to most of his songs (very strange to behold) [19:02]
* nubbins` pictures own mother softly singing "you don't want to fuck with shady, 'cause shady will fucking kill you" while wiping countertops [19:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform will take time. [19:05]
danielpbarron that's not even bad; he says way worse things [19:05]
mircea_popescu dun rush things, foundation snipped thing isn't even stable yet. [19:05]
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punkman I'm waiting for that x86 static build recipe, or was it posted somewhere already? [19:06]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Then last night panicked phone calls and forever silence. << i don't get these people. nismann (argentine da, shot by state because threatening to put president in jail) was the same way : spent his crucial night before the great day ALONE ?!?!?! [19:07]
asciilifeform punkman: mod6 posted iirc [19:07]
mircea_popescu dude, that's not what you do. what you do is, you go to the biggest restaurant in town and start buying people drinks and lunches. [19:07]
mircea_popescu you spend a year's salary on throwing the biggest party ever. [19:07]
mircea_popescu but no, geeks gotta geek out. [19:07]
nubbins` "after a night of partying, nismann was found dead, apparently having choked to death on his own vomit" [19:08]
* BingoBoingo planning to find OBSD rentaboxen in the 1-3 month timeline to play with build and sync of foundation thing. [19:08]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what thing. the one that leaks memory? why waste -any- time on it? [19:08]
mircea_popescu yeah right. [19:09]
asciilifeform not that backport should be used as is! but why piss away time on a turd ? [19:09]
mircea_popescu nobody forces you to drink. [19:09]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The orphanage burning version, see if stable. [19:09]
asciilifeform also waste [19:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu nope but everybody encourages you to [19:09]
asciilifeform must -understand- code and write sane version [19:09]
* nubbins` searches for list of famous people dead by alcohol poisoning [19:09]
BingoBoingo See what fuckery happens on different *nixen document [19:09]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah well if you're about to take down the president but can't resist a little social pressure... [19:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i'm not saying he says "fuck it, 20th shot in a row", i'm saying he wakes up dead with a mouth fulla foam instead of a bullet in his head or w/e [19:10]
nubbins` or is he gonna pull an all-nighter? 8) [19:10]
kakobrekla [19:11]
assbot BBC News - How do you catch a drone? ... ( ) [19:11]
mircea_popescu nubbins` in public ? [19:11]
nubbins` whoosh [19:12]
nubbins` he's sleeping in the restaurant now? [19:12]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> nubbins` in public ? << Plenty of people in a bar have been slipped mickeys [19:12]
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mircea_popescu ehh, it's relaxing. [19:15]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: gotta love how 'force everyone to buy crippleware' is listed as an 'option' [19:15]
kakobrekla mhm [19:16]
mircea_popescu punkman: asciilifeform: but why shadowstate and not private concern? <<< a shadow state is by definition a private concern. [19:16]
asciilifeform ^ [19:16]
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* asciilifeform accustomed to perverse usg use of word 'private' rather than the dictionary meaning [19:16]
mircea_popescu << quite. [19:17]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 20:54:13; asciilifeform: merely suggesting that an official statement from usg has the same credibility as the testimony of a habitual mugger who's been in and out of jails since he was 8 y.o., given upon apprehension at 4am in an alley [19:17]
BingoBoingo must -understand- code and write sane version << My limit for the forseeable future is maybe spot errors. [19:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform as in, "private svejk" ? [19:17]
asciilifeform as in 'microshit is private industry' [19:17]
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BingoBoingo Back to srs commentary on news... Schweich had primary and general election in the bag >> [19:20]
assbot Schweich sent an open letter encouraging gubernatorial run - The Missouri Times ... ( ) [19:20]
BingoBoingo In spite of being emaciated birdnose guy [19:21]
danielpbarron i got accused of being "tea party" for tweeting qntra article re: ^ [19:21]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell gabriel_laddel ? [19:21]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:21]
assbot Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:22]
danielpbarron the guy shut up really fast when i asked for his real name with the hashtag #FeelingLitigious [19:22]
mircea_popescu << dude i'd so totally blog all that :D [19:22]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 20:56:41; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: alternate explanation, he came home to a spread of kiddie porn and toilet tank cocaine tagged with a note stating there was a "kinder" way out. [19:22]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: His one primary opponent as of yesterday was marginal "christian 1st" tea party kook of marginal interest [19:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: qntra is the news. We maintain credibility by putting that shit in the log now to link later. 5 months old... still toddling [19:23]
asciilifeform 'and then he came home to find his family packed into a gasenwagen, and himself on a train to auschwitz, where he caught typhus in a week.' 'dude i'd so totally blog all that' [19:23]
BingoBoingo Also there is a prominent prolly unrelated missouri politician name... [19:24]
BingoBoingo ;;google peter kinder [19:24]
gribble Peter Kinder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Home | Missouri Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder Official Web Site: ; Peter Kinder (@PeterKinder) | Twitter: [19:24]
asciilifeform obligatory >> [19:24]
assbot xkcd: Canada ... ( ) [19:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yup. [19:25]
mircea_popescu i've never had typhus. have you ? [19:25]
asciilifeform haven't gotten around to it yet [19:25]
asciilifeform 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto [19:26]
BingoBoingo !s doormouse [19:26]
assbot 5 results for 'doormouse' : [19:26]
mircea_popescu tbh, i kinda look forward to being forcibly relieved of all sortsa responsibilities. [19:26]
asciilifeform lol wut [19:27]
asciilifeform 'For the fact is that being inside a whale is a very comfortable, cosy, homelike thought. The historical Jonah, if he can be so called, was glad enough to escape, but in imagination, in day-dream, countless people have envied him. It is, of course, quite obvious why. The whale's belly is simply a womb big enough for an adult. There you are, in the dark, cushioned space that exactly fits you, with yards of blubber between yours [19:28]
asciilifeform elf and reality, able to keep up an attitude of the completest indifference, no matter what happens. A storm that would sink all the battleships in the world would hardly reach you as an echo. Even the whale's own movements would probably be imperceptible to you. He might be wallowing among the surface waves or shooting down into the blackness of the middle seas (a mile deep, according to Herman Melville), but you would never [19:28]
asciilifeform notice the difference. Short of being dead, it is the final, unsurpassable stage of irresponsibility.' (orwell's whale) [19:28]
asciilifeform ^ that ? [19:28]
BingoBoingo !s mazes [19:29]
assbot 2 results for 'mazes' : [19:29]
BingoBoingo << The most alive I've felt recently was during a maintenance hallucination [19:30]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 09:30:13; BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies [19:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00044186 = 36.0337 BTC [+] [19:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah. more like nostalgia for an earlier, simpler, matasareanu-er time. [19:31]
asciilifeform ^ [19:31]
* asciilifeform would happily sign under that [19:31]
thestringpuller if you poop in your dreams you poop for real [19:31]
nubbins` ^ [19:31]
asciilifeform what's a maintenance hallucination anyway ? [19:33]
BingoBoingo Let's stop calling them dreams, tht word has been abused to death. Children "dream" of world peace. Real men have maintenance hallucinations [19:33]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: REM sleep, particularly memorable bouts thereof [19:33]
asciilifeform ru and other sane langs have separate words for the 'dreams of world peace' and the kind you have asleep [19:34]
asciilifeform learn one. [19:34]
asciilifeform problem phixed. [19:34]
asciilifeform (TM) [19:34]
BingoBoingo !b 7 [19:34]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform has it. [19:34]
mircea_popescu the actual us hitler (the nigger, whatever his name was, king something, the million brown MEN march on the capitol guy)'s thing is hilarious translated in romanian. [19:35]
mircea_popescu "am un vis". well... so go to bed then ? [19:35]
BingoBoingo lol, mlk jr/rev/doc [19:36]
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mircea_popescu << like how ? [19:40]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 21:07:24; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe a poster campaign with a bit of cheekiness this time [19:40]
nubbins` well, the last one was sort of a "look at this neat thing" approach [19:41]
nubbins` next one: "look at these people doing it wrong" [19:41]
mircea_popescu about 300 years worth of experience with printing show that negative pamphlets only work in dictatorships. [19:42]
mircea_popescu unless it's "look at stalin sucking cock" it ain't worth printing. [19:42]
nubbins` heh. [19:42]
nubbins` yeah, fair [19:42]
mircea_popescu the penthouse interview with the faloon prostitute a fine example. [19:42]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: but diss records work all the time. that's why biggie and tupac iz ded. [19:43]
nubbins` thestringpuller he has a point [19:43]
nubbins` for that matter, you do as well [19:43]
nubbins` anyway, just thinkin out loud [19:44]
thestringpuller it's like that episode fo the boondocks where they make a diss record about grandpa [19:44]
* BingoBoingo offers Jan 2015 through Feb 12th 2015 all kind of OOM kills, none since [19:44]
thestringpuller then all of a sudden people start beating up old people cause the song is dope [19:44]
* BingoBoingo crosses fingers [19:44]
nubbins` well anyway, that leftover money from the old posters is still sitting around [19:45]
thestringpuller one kid says, "I like to beat up old people cause the song said it was cool to do." << i guess this also related to eminem controversies of the late 90's [19:45]
nubbins` be nice to make use of it, for .foundation propaganda or otherwise [19:45]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` leftover moneyz ? [19:47]
nubbins` nod. idea was to pay rubes in big cities to print out cheap copies of same poster and paste em up [19:48]
nubbins` after an exhaustive search, i found precisely one dude who said his nephew would do it [19:48]
nubbins` and it was such a shit job i don't even know if i should describe it [19:48]
nubbins` anyway, there's just over a bitcoin and a half there [19:49]
nubbins` mildly (but only mildly) surprising that people will suck pennies out of a btc faucet all day, but literally walking around with a roll of packing tape is too much work for $15/hr [19:53]
mircea_popescu i paid for this ?! [19:53]
* nubbins` nods [19:53]
nubbins` well, no. [19:54]
nubbins` you paid for the 50 for what's his name [19:54]
nubbins` then i printed another 50 to sell to forum rubes, with the express intention of the profit being used in this manner [19:54]
mircea_popescu a, i was starting to think my accounting's as tight as the dod's. [19:54]
mircea_popescu << for that tight, prison look. [19:54]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [20:02]
gribble Current Blocks: 345307 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46800172847.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.24804 [20:02]
BingoBoingo Awfully close to no change [20:03]
BingoBoingo lol >> [20:07]
assbot L(λ)THW [20:07]
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BingoBoingo So when it comes to Schweich... Biggest bezzel controversy in MO right now is whether or not to build a new NFL stadium. Imma be pissed if that ends up having done him in. [20:42]
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BingoBoingo My client has sync'd up to the point of no return, not enough blocks left to trigger an OOM kill [20:43]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [21:00]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.7, vol: 5485.67443858 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.002, vol: 6212.04634 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 236.92, vol: 18689.46373519 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.510392, vol: 85401.94810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 239.63507, vol: 22.7135206 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 237.265875, vol: 51.29906919 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.291054119 [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00043686 = 28.527 BTC [+] {2} [21:07]
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mircea_popescu wd bb [21:12]
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cazalla love reading a trilema where i know of the incident being discussed before it is named, heh [21:13]
cazalla always figured those two guys watched heat a couple dozen times [21:14]
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mircea_popescu haha ya think ? [21:18]
mircea_popescu this was 90s, might have been pre heat even [21:18]
thestringpuller cazalla: like when he says to stop buying bitcoins while a buying frenzy happens? [21:19]
thestringpuller but people still do it anyways. [21:20]
cazalla mircea_popescu, heat came out in 95', hollywood shootout was two years later [21:20]
mircea_popescu ah k [21:21]
mircea_popescu dude it's been 20 years. [21:21]
cazalla and yet news of that attempted bank heist stuck with me since i first of it back then [21:21]
cazalla heard* [21:22]
BingoBoingo So... /. just shitted up their UI [21:24]
BingoBoingo Instead of promoting their beta to production they gave the shitty beta.slashdot rounded corners and are pretending it is still "classic" [21:24]
mircea_popescu sigh. [21:25]
BingoBoingo That, also is a contender for pushing Schweick over the edge [21:26]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, on second thought.. wikipedia suggests they hit their first armoured car back in 93 so perhaps it is heat which copied them [21:31]
BingoBoingo [21:33]
assbot The Only Constant is Change - Slashdot ... ( ) [21:33]
asciilifeform << for anyone who gives a fuck re: gsm [21:33]
assbot Your Cellphone Is A Tracking Device That Relays Your Conversations In Plaintext | ... ( ) [21:33]
BingoBoingo "I'm trying to come up with an apt description of how disappointing this "classic" redesign is and all I and all I can say is this morning everything was fine. Now it looks like some GNAA trolls mashed up the worst aspects of "classic" with the beta no one wanted." [21:33]
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BingoBoingo Only unambiguous good news of the day, the NFL's war on runningbacks is tilting towards and NFL loss nao [21:37]
assbot Adrian Peterson suspension overturned by federal judge. ... ( ) [21:37]
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BingoBoingo Also... Gawker is so late on this story... compare and 2 weeks for squaker to catch up [21:39]
assbot Do Not Use TurboTax This Tax Season ... ( ) [21:39]
assbot TurboTax Stops Filing State Tax Returns Due To Massive Fraud | ... ( ) [21:39]
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BingoBoingo Megalol, snowdenites as new "NRA" [21:57]
assbot Edward Snowden Citizenfour: The former contractor sparked a movement that’s winning the surveillance argument. ... ( ) [21:57]
BingoBoingo !up Asenath [21:57]
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BingoBoingo Hello Asenath welcome to #b-a [21:57]
Asenath Thank you, I've been reading along for many weeks [21:58]
BingoBoingo Cool, any specific-ish questions? [21:59]
Asenath I could embarass myself by asking something pedestrian. [21:59]
BingoBoingo Nah, that's how you learn what to read [22:00]
BingoBoingo Then you read and ask question 2 [22:00]
Asenath Instead I think I will keep my own counsel for now and save the questions for when I gad dig in deep. [22:00]
Asenath Yes, one invariably leads to another [22:01]
BingoBoingo Asenath: Well on freenode you prolly want to pick up a cloak to avoid mystery DoS bot. [22:01]
BingoBoingo Just go to #freenode and ask for a cloak [22:01]
Asenath One thing I would like to learn more about is the building of the nodes. [22:01]
thestringpuller Asenath: [22:03]
Asenath Thanks for that [22:03]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: documented everything perfectly. [22:03]
thestringpuller you can reach him here or by twitter if you have any questions [22:03]
BingoBoingo Asenath: Good to ask here though in case your question is novel if asked here on the record the solution can help others [22:04]
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danielpbarron Asenath, you mean the pogo? or just nodes in general? [22:17]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: post it to the listserv [22:22]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: ideally these things ought to be there [22:22]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << mega-lol re: terrorist-creation [22:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Piece if it appears would be tomorrow at the earliest. Drinking to numb my body to the snow shoveling ahead of it tonight. [22:26]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: have you considered leaving that snow where it is ? [22:26]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: spoken like a true recluse... [22:27]
asciilifeform hey it wurks for me [22:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Can't do that if I want to collect monopoly money from the neighbors. [22:27]
* BingoBoingo is a cash busines [22:27]
asciilifeform aha [22:27]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo is also a certified hustler [22:27]
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asciilifeform that indictment is riotously funny [22:28]
asciilifeform usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock [22:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Summers I cut grass, parties I cut ass, and winter I shovel snow. All of the time though my records are an incoherent mess [22:29]
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BingoBoingo Fuck, this indictment is longer and lulzier than nearly all the darkmarket ones [22:30]
asciilifeform it's pretty standard in that the 'dangerous terrorists' are just as obviously one or two notches above the iq level where one needs institutional care [22:31]
asciilifeform as in most such cases [22:31]
BingoBoingo So any asperging turrorists of the Islamist pursuasion "" is a honeypot [22:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Just like the Padilla fellow and his buckets [22:32]
asciilifeform does it matter to which honeypot they go ? [22:32]
asciilifeform if imbeciles. [22:32]
asciilifeform allah forbid they find a -working- weapon, will shoot wrong end towards enemy, somebody'll have to clean up their guts [22:32]
BingoBoingo Seriously [22:33]
asciilifeform their 'plan', to the extent one could use that word here, appears to have been - to shoot police at random, and then collect their gear, which which to repeat same, ad infinitum [22:34]
asciilifeform every time i read a document like this (and they're all quite the same, as mircea_popescu observed all clinical material re: the criminally insane being much alike - or was that tlp?) [22:35]
BingoBoingo I think they both covered this [22:35]
asciilifeform i think of the folks who might have tried to go to the moon in balloons, or shooting selves out of cannons, in the past [22:36]
* BingoBoingo for the record would never injure Obama lest he deprive Obama the instruments Obama set against himself and his legacy [22:37]
asciilifeform and speaking of our hanging, where are the -thinking- terrorists ? [22:38]
asciilifeform i, for one, will be quite disappointed to hang on the same gallows as these disgraceful excuses for 'public enemy' [22:38]
BingoBoingo Waiting untile they can have a SLotin moment? [22:38]
BingoBoingo i.e. screwdriver can only stop one [22:39]
BingoBoingo The rest are prolly happy running all over Texarkana and the New California Republic [22:39]
asciilifeform those aren't 'terrorists' properly speaking [22:39]
asciilifeform but ordinary soldiers, of an army which doesn't officially exist [22:40]
asciilifeform speaking here of proper terrorists. [22:40]
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BingoBoingo I really don't know if you can have a "proper terroritst" without some mental retardation [22:41]
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asciilifeform sure you can. [22:41]
asciilifeform as described in mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' essay; [22:41]
asciilifeform or suvorov's 'spetsnaz'; [22:41]
asciilifeform or the novel 'stand on zanzibar'; [22:41]
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asciilifeform or 10,000 other places. [22:41]
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BingoBoingo I'm not sure a wasp is actually a terrorist... seems more like a drunk cursed with work [22:42]
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asciilifeform a 'terrorist' for the purpose of this line of thought is anyone who is on track to being imprisoned by usg under charge of 'terrorism.' [22:44]
BingoBoingo So unknowable until after the fact [22:44]
asciilifeform not wholly unknowable [22:44]
BingoBoingo The outer bounds are [22:45]
asciilifeform i.e., if you were a fly on the wall (fly that speaks uzbek) where the two cretins had their conversations, you might be able to guess [22:45]
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decimation asciilifeform: < apparently ru mil uses 'digital camo' now [22:45]
assbot Spetsnaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [22:45]
asciilifeform decimation: ru army copied even american boots not long ago [22:46]
asciilifeform !s wrappings [22:46]
assbot 1 results for 'wrappings' : [22:46]
asciilifeform hm [22:46]
asciilifeform !s leg wraps [22:46]
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BingoBoingo From my understanding of the inner bounds the hometown mayor recovering from a fall down the stairs and thoracic + cervical spine fractures is a likely turrorist candidate [22:46]
asciilifeform [22:47]
decimation !s foot wrap [22:47]
assbot Logged on 22-02-2015 18:57:48; asciilifeform: phun phact: degenerating ru army recently moved to socks! [22:47]
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asciilifeform ^ thread [22:47]
decimation aye. apparently they just wanna be like everyone else [22:47]
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decimation supposedly the 'digital camo' is 'more effective' than past camo [22:47]
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decimation re: chromium plating weapons parts < I suspect that usg would do it if it were actually cost effective [22:48]
decimation but the marginal benefit gained is probably not worth the cost of properly plating the weapon [22:48]
asciilifeform cost doesn't seem a likely reason, imho. iirc, crew-served machine guns don't have chromed mechanicals either [22:49]
asciilifeform mats? adlai? [22:49]
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mats lolno [22:50]
asciilifeform if i had to guess, i'd imagine Cr cold-welds on impact with self, or something like that [22:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Thinking on it the smaller parts like the trigger group have the wrong kind of friction? If the plating wears unevenly catastrophic failure comes sooner than with paint? [22:51]
decimation I wonder if it would flake? [22:51]
BingoBoingo decimation: Can flake to an extent [22:51]
adlai automated weaponry in the vulgar battalions is lubricated by the ash deposited from fired rounds [22:51]
BingoBoingo Cold welding may happen [22:51]
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mats exactly [22:52]
adlai "best practices" say that you don't want lots of this, but you need to continually fire for a long time without cleaning to get a jam from residue [22:52]
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BingoBoingo Might be that plating makes the underlying metal fail in a different way [22:53]
adlai (caveat: 'ime' encompasses only training and exercises, in all manner shitty physical conditions, but combat inevitably would be worse) [22:53]
BingoBoingo Could also be something as stupid as "Chromium there would be shiny" when spotted de sodomizing gun [22:54]
decimation the first "digital camo" was used by the waffen-ss [22:55]
assbot Flecktarnmuster (Flecktarn) - Camouflage Wiki ... ( ) [22:55]
BingoBoingo 19 blocks left [22:57]
BingoBoingo Also... Fedora is really turning to shit since people abandoned it [22:58]
assbot The Tremendous Features Of Fedora 22 - Phoronix ... ( ) [22:58]
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decimation BingoBoingo: lol python3 is now standard [23:02]
BingoBoingo decimation: Seriously [23:02]
decimation but it has a new version of gnome turdware! [23:03]
decimation heh and they are ditching yum [23:03]
BingoBoingo Seriously yum was the only tolerable part of my breif flirtation with SUSE [23:04]
decimation well apparently the yum author got hit by a bus or somethin [23:05]
BingoBoingo PLS send weird transactions that might accidentaly forkchain nao. [23:05]
decimation <"Perceived deficiencies of yum which DNF is intended to address include poor performance, high memory usage, and the slowness of its iterative dependency resolution." [23:05]
assbot DNF (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [23:05]
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asciilifeform meanwhile, in the world of sane folks, [23:08]
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asciilifeform 'Due to the well-known fact that all compilers have bugs, it is the conventional wisdom of the safety critical community to avoid assuming that the generated object code is automatically correct. For instance, the approach taken in the avionics standard DO-178B is one of Design, Review and Test [DO-178B]. As far as practical, the review and test activities are undertaken at the object code level. Indeed, if the reliability req [23:08]
asciilifeform uirements of Class 1 flight critical software (the most critical) are to be attained, every attempt must be made to detect errors induced by a compiler. This is expensive, but unavoidable given current technology. The pragma Reviewable applies to a partition so that the compiler can generate code to match special documentation thus permitting independent review of the object code. The following specific requirements apply...' [23:08]
asciilifeform ( ) [23:08]
assbot Hypertext Ada 95 Rationale - Part Three - Chapter H [23:08]
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asciilifeform ^ yes there are language primitives for helping to ease the pain of the fella who gets to read the disasm after you're done [23:09]
decimation asciilifeform: that's interesting [23:09]
mats dear god [23:09]
mats that sounds expensive [23:10]
decimation asciilifeform: it's an acknowledgement of the fact that you are living on an assembly machine [23:11]
asciilifeform mats: know what else is expensive ? [23:11]
asciilifeform 'boeing' that falls down [23:11]
asciilifeform or a bitcoinator that $insertcatastropicfailure [23:12]
* BingoBoingo struggling to make gnat hello worls [23:14]
BingoBoingo *world [23:14]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: gnatmake hello.adb [23:15]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll give it a try within 24 hours. [23:16]
asciilifeform with ada.text_io; [23:16]
asciilifeform use ada.text_io; [23:16]
asciilifeform procedure hello is [23:16]
asciilifeform begin [23:16]
asciilifeform put("Hello World"); [23:16]
asciilifeform end hello; [23:16]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: May have to play with ksh configs. Had to do so to make python REPL work. SBCL REPL worked right after pkg_add [23:17]
decimation there's a pretty good tutorial here [23:17]
assbot Ada Tutorial and Free Ada Compilers ... ( ) [23:17]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: don't expect a repl, ada is a classical compiled thing like c or fortran [23:17]
BingoBoingo !Up chatquack [23:18]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I understand that part [23:18]
BingoBoingo Fortran 95 did its compile on this gcc [23:18]
BingoBoingo 2 weeks ago when tested. [23:18]
BingoBoingo Installing/testing ada began today [23:19]
BingoBoingo Not finished yet [23:19]
* BingoBoingo working his way slowly though "C++ Today" his CSI 130+230 text to learn a language paradigm to reject [23:21]
asciilifeform the 'rationale' chapter on oop system is interesting in that it cites the 'common lisp', c++, 'eiffel', 'smalltalk' standards materials, and expects that you are familiar with them and can understand a summary of differences [23:21]
asciilifeform it is an immediate mindfuck to be confronted with a computing-related document written this way. [23:21]
asciilifeform not something i've experienced since working with steele's 'common lisp the language' [23:22]
* BingoBoingo needs to read MARC records were a stupid wast of a semester [23:23]
asciilifeform among the books i can picture on the shelves at the great library of 'meta-nsa' - this tome surely has its place [23:23]
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decimation [23:26]
assbot NSA Library -- United States -- National Security Agency ... ( ) [23:26]
* asciilifeform almost expected to see a catalogue [23:27]
BingoBoingo Such links never show a catalogue. [23:28]
asciilifeform << funnily enough. [23:29]
asciilifeform catalogue. [23:29]
assbot ... ( ) [23:29]
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asciilifeform (doubtfully would be posted without hitler's approval, so take with grain of salt) [23:29]
BingoBoingo << funnily enough. << Not MARC cannot write to tape, not a catalogue [23:30]
assbot ... ( ) [23:30]
decimation asciilifeform: have you ever read the 'rainbow books'? [23:32]
asciilifeform << crown jewels catalogue, purportedly, circa '03 [23:33]
assbot ... ( ) [23:33]
decimation [23:33]
assbot Rainbow Series and Related Documents ... ( ) [23:33]
asciilifeform decimation: well-known. but, personally never had occasion to. [23:33]
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asciilifeform and ^ answer to [23:35]
assbot Logged on 09-02-2015 20:57:01; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something. [23:35]
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nubbins` ty [23:37]
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decimation "LAWRENCE Look, Ali. Look! That's me. What colour is it? That's me! And there's nothing I can do about it. ALI A man can do whatever he wants, you said. LAWRENCE He can, but he can't want what he wants.This is the stuff [his flesh] that decides what he wants." [23:43]
asciilifeform incidentally,, [23:43]
asciilifeform [23:43]
assbot NSA choice ... ( ) [23:43]
BingoBoingo "A man chooses. A slave obeys." [23:45]
asciilifeform ^ unfortunately not actively updated [23:46]
asciilifeform (e.g. contains no detail re: 'pendleton' and 'piedmont', the directorates-of-what-shall-we-do-about-pgp cited in earlier 'crown jewels' list) [23:46]
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