Forum logs for 25 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

fluffypony	oh he's on freenode already	[00:01]
fluffypony	[22:59:59] nextime signed on at 21 April 2014 at 10:35:57 PM SAST and has been idle for 39 minutes, 43 seconds	[00:01]
fluffypony	I've pinged him	[00:01]
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mike_c	that video is impressive (to me). i couldn't do that.	[00:02]
fluffypony	mike_c: I don't have the steady hands	[00:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695839 = 0.2088 BTC [-]	[00:03]
asciilifeform	mike_c: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/new.png	[00:03]
asciilifeform	mike_c: hand. messy. but worked	[00:03]
asciilifeform	this isn't how it's normally done, though, one applies paste and reflows.	[00:04]
mike_c	his does look a little neater :) but results are what counts.	[00:04]
asciilifeform	('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.)	[00:04]
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Naphex	gn o/	[00:07]
fluffypony	night Naphex	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell heysteve https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459438537163538432 cuz i gotta do all the work around here	[00:08]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	!up Sorcier_FXK	[00:09]
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davout	mircea_popescu: how would it make any sense for aqoba to take us as client and somehow make up some lie about mastercard being anti-bitcoin?	[00:09]
Sorcier_FXK	thx	[00:09]
davout	the guys made money from custom debit cards	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	((testing footnotes plugin!)) << fail	[00:10]
ThickAsThieves	i left it in just for you	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	davout you ever were a client of anyone else before ?	[00:11]
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davout	please, do explain your reasoning	[00:12]
fluffypony	http://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/2014/01/xty1s-phteven-funny.jpg	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. << what's it yet ?	[00:13]
mike_c	next diff change suggest 2 THs	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	all good.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	what your provider claim, on its own, is not worth two shits.	[00:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06955678 = 0.2087 BTC [-]	[00:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury)	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if Me llamo Sara y me apasiona la tecnología shows up, voice her and treat her nice. ima go fuck around.	[00:20]
davout	mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do	[00:20]
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fluffypony	!up nextime	[00:21]
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fluffypony	asciilifeform, meet nextime	[00:21]
fluffypony	nextime meet asciilifeform	[00:21]
nextime	hi all	[00:21]
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thestringpuller	;;gettrust nextime	[00:23]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nextime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nextime \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nextime \| Rated since: never	[00:23]
thestringpuller	lol	[00:23]
nextime	yeah! o/ i'm virgin :D	[00:24]
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asciilifeform	!up nextime	[00:25]
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nextime	asciilifeform can we talk here in public or you prefer in query?	[00:27]
asciilifeform	nextime: only here.	[00:27]
nextime	asciilifeform : ok, as you prefer	[00:27]
asciilifeform	nextime: what would you like to know?	[00:27]
asciilifeform	nextime: do take the trouble to read the published material first.	[00:27]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: this is the guy re: the PCB stuffing	[00:27]
fluffypony	sorry should've clarified that	[00:27]
asciilifeform	fluffypony, nextime - ok	[00:28]
nextime	asciilifeform : fluffypony say me you are searching for pcb builder that is low cost, right?	[00:28]
asciilifeform	nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers.	[00:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06953299 = 0.2781 BTC [-] {3}	[00:28]
asciilifeform	nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works	[00:29]
nextime	ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab )	[00:29]
asciilifeform	nextime: i should probably specify that pcb is to be sent in (we already have a good working relationship with a pcb maker)	[00:30]
nextime	asciilifeform : not an issue at all	[00:31]
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nextime	asciilifeform : so, maybe you can just drop me an email with specifications and part list, so i can give you a quotation for assembly both in turnkey and kitted?	[00:32]
asciilifeform	nextime: let's try this. approx. quote for ~200 smt part count, smallest = 0805, one side.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	nextime: 50 units.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	nextime: kitted (we mail in parts and pcb)	[00:33]
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asciilifeform	i'd like a ballpark figure, incl. NRE.	[00:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095456 = 7.541 BTC [-]	[00:33]
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nextime	asciilifeform : how many unique parts?	[00:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1712 @ 0.00007514 = 0.1286 BTC [-]	[00:35]
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asciilifeform	nextime: ~40.	[00:36]
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nextime	on 50 pieces we are ~ at 20$ each	[00:37]
asciilifeform	no tooling fee?	[00:37]
asciilifeform	and what would be the turnaround time?	[00:37]
nextime	for 20$ in a week, tooling fee if we will have a continued relationship isn't an issue	[00:38]
asciilifeform	nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it.	[00:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 794 @ 0.0001296 = 0.1029 BTC [-]	[00:38]
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nextime	asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches	[00:40]
nextime	:)	[00:40]
asciilifeform	nextime: i'd really appreciate a ballpark estimate.	[00:40]
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nextime	asciilifeform : for tooling? as i say, nothing. We usually choose to absorb this cost hoping to get fidelity, as is a little cost in real.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	ok now we're cooking.	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06954 = 0.1391 BTC [+]	[00:43]
asciilifeform	unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled?	[00:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06981505 = 0.3491 BTC [+] {2}	[00:45]
nextime	for through-hole parts we work by hands actually ( we are a small company as i say )	[00:45]
asciilifeform	ok	[00:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8453 @ 0.00095537 = 8.0757 BTC [+] {2}	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00452378 = 0.2488 BTC [-] {3}	[00:46]
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asciilifeform	nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer)	[00:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.00838979 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6}	[00:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.009 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}	[00:50]
nextime	asciilifeform : if you give me an email i will send you as soon as tomorrow ( is holyday tomorrow in italy, but i'm a stakanovist and i will be in laboratory ) i will send you a pdf with all specifications of our requirements	[00:51]
nextime	( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually )	[00:52]
jborkl_	ma che vuoi?	[00:53]
jborkl_	only Italian I know	[00:54]
nextime	rotfl	[00:54]
nextime	jborkl_ : a little bit better than my english :)	[00:55]
jborkl_	I have a Swiss friend here who teaches me a little time to time	[00:56]
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fluffypony	!up nextime	[00:56]
assbot	Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.	[00:56]
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nextime	jborkl_ : so, let me say that in italy we usually say "che cazzo vuoi?" instead of "ma che vuoi?", a little bit more rude, but more common	[00:57]
jborkl_	ma che stai diciendo	[00:58]
nextime	"dicendo"	[00:58]
asciilifeform	nextime: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ea.png	[00:58]
jborkl_	oops	[00:58]
asciilifeform	nextime: please use pgp (my wot key)	[00:58]
nextime	asciilifeform: ok, i will	[00:58]
asciilifeform	nextime: thx	[00:58]
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jborkl_	I will make sure to use that on him :) thx	[00:59]
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nextime	jborkl_: so, let's get more rude again: use "che cazzo dici?" instead of "ma che stai dicendo?"	[01:00]
nextime	:D	[01:00]
jborkl_	excellent	[01:00]
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jborkl_	we went and saw motogp and he was yelling when Rossi got cut off in Italin- pretty funny to ear	[01:01]
jborkl_	hear	[01:01]
nextime	lol, i can imagine what you mean :) Italian speakers on motogp and motor sports in general are... uhmmm... "funny"? :)	[01:02]
jborkl_	I can't understand anything, but you know when they are pissed off	[01:03]
nextime	ok, anyway, i must go back to my daddy role now, asciilifeform i will send you infos tomorrow ( as italy time ) after lunch when i will be in my laboratory	[01:05]
nextime	ciao!	[01:05]
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ThickAsThieves	What was the website for SatoshiJack again?	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	he told me ATC is working now	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	but went away	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	before i could respond	[01:14]
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fluffypony	http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_PUTIN_INTERNET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT	[01:18]
fluffypony	"President Vladimir Putin on Thursday called the Internet a CIA project"	[01:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00095959 = 6.4772 BTC [+] {2}	[01:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06809901 = 0.5448 BTC [+]	[01:28]
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ThickAsThieves	;;rate hanbot 2 Every rose has its thorn	[01:31]
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kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583258.0	[01:35]
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mircea_popescu	stakanovist hahaha	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	;;rate nextime 1 is a stahanovist!	[01:35]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell nextime get in the wot eh.	[01:36]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony srsly dood, get teh noobs to wot.	[01:36]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I will :)	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/	[01:37]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: that's actually quite interesting	[01:37]
kakobrekla	is it? i havent followed the link	[01:37]
fluffypony	they've been around for a year or so	[01:37]
fluffypony	and it's not free to list	[01:37]
fluffypony	let me see if I can find an article	[01:37]
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fluffypony	here: http://www.wamda.com/2013/06/a-global-startup-stock-exchange-platform-just-launched-is-it-a-good-bet-for-arab-startups	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	only Italian I know << what, no rottinculo, no disgraziati, no nothing ?	[01:38]
fluffypony	costs about $5 500 for a company to list	[01:38]
fluffypony	and there are several stages including due dilligence	[01:38]
fluffypony	I'm not sure if them adding Bitcoin as a funding option will draw much interest from the BTC community tho	[01:38]
kakobrekla	ah they do fiat scams instead?	[01:39]
moiety	i just did this stupid quiz thing and i kid you not http://i.imgur.com/yqI6Qr2.png	[01:39]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: spot on	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves satoshijack.com no ?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	"I wanted to share this new exciting news with you all. The Startup Stock Exchange (SSX) is now the first investment platform through which Bitcoins can be used to invest in companies!"	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	brilliant. he forgot biggest	[01:41]
kakobrekla	and best.	[01:41]
fluffypony	and AMAZING!	[01:41]
fluffypony	awwww :(	[01:41]
fluffypony	assbot: amazing?	[01:42]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	moiety want a pea ?	[01:42]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, when i see all these exciting news "we" teams, all i can think is	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/a842f850681fd26dd0d873c9053a2c3a/tumblr_n3snyhqT6y1qdlh1io1_400.gif	[01:43]
moiety	a pea?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	well what do tiny turles eat	[01:45]
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BingoBoingo	Pizza?	[01:45]
kakobrekla	this one is quite awsum too	[01:45]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0	[01:45]
kakobrekla	still fresh	[01:45]
moiety	amd strawberries!	[01:45]
moiety	and*	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	kako lemme show you a magic :	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=583262.0	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	"Why is your opportunity unique?	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange."	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	fuckwit.	[01:46]
kakobrekla	the readability of the .ly is worse :	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	so far we can't be bothered to do our research	[01:46]
Apocalyptic	wasn't nefario's exchange in UK ?	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	exactamundo	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit aka strateman aka bitcoin consultancy, intersangro etc	[01:47]
Apocalyptic	wait, how is phantomcircuit involved in this ?	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	who do you think wrote that famed script that emailed the entire userbase the emails of the entire userbase ?	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	and where was this happening ?	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit did it, on the previous first best & largest uk exchange.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	cca 2011	[01:49]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: "The remainder will be kept in reserves to pay for monthly costs, such as the data center." - they have an entire data center to pay for, yo	[01:49]
Apocalyptic	I see	[01:49]
kakobrekla	i also love this part:	[01:50]
kakobrekla	>What about the casino?	[01:50]
kakobrekla	Multibet.io is a work in progress, but is another source of income for our company. You will also receive profits from this.	[01:50]
kakobrekla	--	[01:50]
fluffypony	of cors	[01:50]
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mircea_popescu	why is .io so popular with bitcoin scams & retarded noobs ?	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	do they allow anon regs or some shit ?	[01:50]
Apocalyptic	kako, reads to me like we'll be doing all sorts of shits, because another income	[01:50]
kakobrekla	its short and still free	[01:51]
kakobrekla	free as in not taken, not not costing any $	[01:51]
asciilifeform	occurred to me that you can usually tell at a glance which people experience a twinge of physical pain when spending someone else's money, and which ones don't.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	'gotta pay for... data center'	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "And that's pretty much the thing in a nutshell." "Generally..." "Basically..." dude you sound moonstruck.	[01:51]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe that is the public impression I want to deliver. I mean I let herbi think I was a bot for a good while.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	maybe it is.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	poor herbi, he had a good idea but not so good carry through	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	mebbe next time.	[01:53]
kakobrekla	Apocalyptic what do you mean 'we' ?	[01:53]
Apocalyptic	kako, the "we" of their post obviously	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	overheard in my room "I broke my lip on your cock!"	[01:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: better than the other way around.	[01:55]
kakobrekla	ah ok then, i thought i signed something that was not aware of for a sec	[01:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'Мы Америку догнали. По надоям молока, А по мясу мы отстали: Хуй сломался у быка.'	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:59]
asciilifeform	(hruschev era. naturally)	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	"And a couple days later I became MP's ATC trader."	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo dude, at the time you were atc trading already for a day or two	[02:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1445 @ 0.00095722 = 1.3832 BTC [-]	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: At the time I battled herbi I was trading my own ATC	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	usure ?	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	Fairly sure. Herbi was trading your ATC.	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	Then he lost it.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	nah he never got atc from me.	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	Oh.	[02:02]
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BingoBoingo	Well, the herbi stuff was over the 13th and 14th. It wasn't until later I became your trader (but not much later)	[02:03]
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asciilifeform	'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.'	[02:07]
asciilifeform	(translation mine)	[02:07]
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mircea_popescu	Feb 14 03:12:12 the herbi argument you quote \| Feb 15 10:41:31 pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	so right you are.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	"we caught up with the us on milk ; we're behind on meat, our bull's cock [is] broke"	[02:08]
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asciilifeform	well sure, but i like rhyming transl.	[02:09]
asciilifeform	you lot are free to volunteer better one.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	you call at last / alas a rhyme ?	[02:10]
asciilifeform	bah.	[02:10]
asciilifeform	to criticise is to volunteer.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't even have noticed it's trying to be had you not said so :D	[02:10]
asciilifeform	lol	[02:10]
artifexd	Regarding SatoshiJack, https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/8980-multi-crypto-multiplayer-blackjack-html5/ says that the site is http://satoshijack.com/ or http://just-blackjack.com/	[02:11]
artifexd	Both of which are currently down.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	let's try this one	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell satoshijack sites down ?	[02:11]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	'Полюбила я Хрущева, / Вышла замуж за него. / Оказалось, вместо хуя / Кукуруза у него.'	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha него ftw.	[02:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095444 = 6.6162 BTC [-] {2}	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	i fell for hruschev and married him / turned out his cock was a cobb	[02:12]
asciilifeform	aye, but anybody can do that.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	pfff	[02:12]
asciilifeform	incidentally, this art form is curiously absent in the anglo world.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	kukuruza, btw, is almost as lulzy as lenina	[02:13]
asciilifeform	where's the obama version.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	There was once a great storm / Which moved the White House to the desert of Sahara	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	A bedouin lost in the desert stumbled on the lawn / Obama assured him that if he likes his water,	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	He can have his water.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	lel	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	want the kicker ?	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	"but it doesn't rhyme" "white rhyme, suka"	[02:14]
asciilifeform	lolz	[02:15]
asciilifeform	just had the thought, nobody else in this ch. likes languages ?	[02:18]
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phf	fell in love with mr. krushchev / but the marrige was a flop / on our wedding night discovered / that his penis was a cobb	[02:18]
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mircea_popescu	phf hey pretty good	[02:19]
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phf	that's preserving the original derevensky rhythm :)	[02:20]
ThickAsThieves	what's a cobb?	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	o btw, to note down the 2nd kicker in my thing, for they who do not speak russki :	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	suka does not stand for sucker, but for bitch.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	;;google corn cobb	[02:21]
gribble	Corncob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Corn on the cob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; How To Boil Corn On The Cob - What's Cooking America:	[02:21]
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asciilifeform	thought everybody knew that at this point	[02:21]
ThickAsThieves	well i assumed corn cob	[02:21]
ThickAsThieves	but wasnt sure	[02:21]
ThickAsThieves	cuz two b's	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no but the symmetry see ? white/white for liberals/normal ppl, mirrored in the suka/suka for english/russian	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	also! what's seven days without a pun make one ?	[02:22]
ThickAsThieves	weak	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[02:22]
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mircea_popescu	seven days w/o a pun make one week	[02:23]
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mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-assets-and-language-abuse	[02:23]
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ThickAsThieves	already have my first wordpress problem... fml	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	comment isnt showing after being approved	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	does he need to confirm his account or sumth?	[02:24]
asciilifeform	'Нам хотели запретить / По этой улице ходить. / Стены каменны пробьем - / По этой улице пройдем. / А вы, запретители, / хуя не хотите ли?'	[02:25]
asciilifeform	(re: bans on btc, etc)	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the one on the recent comments ?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	maybe you're set not to display trackbacksa	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that makes no sense.	[02:26]
ThickAsThieves	ah it may be a trackback, not a regular comment	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	so built a wall along street to restrict walking...	[02:26]
asciilifeform	nah	[02:26]
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BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Prolly a trackback from my post	[02:28]
asciilifeform	loosely: 'they a ban for us decreed / for to keep us from this street / we shall move aside stone blocks / on this street we'll take our walks'	[02:28]
ThickAsThieves	yep	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	"This suggests focusing on robustness, as opposed to prediction, because the system works against rational expectations, especially those consensus ideas that come out of large bureaucracies. After all, what better sufficient statistic for a mimic to exploit than some well-known regulatory bullet point that supposedly ensures trivial risk? Recessions are not going away; they are endogenous because zero mimicry is not a	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	n equilibrium among insects, reptiles, or humans. Expect more unexpected recessions, just not real soon, and not in subprime housing."	[02:28]
asciilifeform	last stanza exercise for alert reader	[02:28]
ThickAsThieves	i'm a noob i guess	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	this fucking article explains both why ycombinator is such a shitpile	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	and why the majority of "actors" in "business" hate my and my model	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	i'm exactly the opposite of a bureaucracy, fucking impredictible by design	[02:29]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: See, before the quoted interaction with herbi there would have been zero or less reason to propose I be your altcoin trader, whereas herbi had been pimping his 1337 quant skills and fx hobby.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	i see.	[02:30]
thestringpuller	damn dark souls II is out...	[02:30]
thestringpuller	i haven't even beaten dark souls yet	[02:31]
thestringpuller	da fuq did the time go?	[02:31]
ThickAsThieves	to GTA?	[02:31]
thestringpuller	dark souls came out in 2011	[02:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52312269 = 3.6619 BTC [-] {5}	[02:31]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Up to then there had never really been any solid indication of this chan that I might have some potential for trading prowess, at least not until I took herbi's house, car, wife, and dingo	[02:32]
BingoBoingo	Making two profits in the process	[02:32]
ThickAsThieves	such modesty and grace	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	lol yeah. poor dingo.	[02:32]
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BingoBoingo	herbi at the time lsot what was all of his declared BTC	[02:34]
BingoBoingo	One of my favorite parts of the thing was the spread ran roughly from 400 satoshis to 100 satoshis, and he though settling around 100 satoshis would be a bad thing. Low and behold since x-bt opened 100-200 satoshis has been the norm.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it wasn't ever a very high amt or anything.	[02:35]
BingoBoingo	No it wasn't	[02:35]
BingoBoingo	But at million dollar BTC, that's a new Dodge challenger with racing stripes he lost.	[02:36]
thestringpuller	;;later tell mod6 young jeezy july 12th Detroit...	[02:36]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[02:37]
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mircea_popescu	that'd be the case if there existed no spot. as it is, he lost 50 bux or w/e the spot was	[02:38]
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BingoBoingo	Sure. But if we value the BTC on the benkay principle that it is never worth parting with, it holds. Now with the sinking Patrick Harnet only cost 500 BTC or $2500, sure. This continutes to the mysticism surrounding BTC prices.	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	At the time herbi mess up there still kind of was a reliable-ish spot.	[02:40]
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phf	asciilifeform: they wanted to forbid / walking down this street. / we'll smash the concrete walls / we'll march down the block / you, forbaders, / suck a cock!	[02:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00470994 = 0.5181 BTC [+] {2}	[02:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00471 = 0.5134 BTC [+]	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	"really have the intellectual ability to indentify"	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	nevermind	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	no	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	its wrong	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[02:52]
mike_c	trilema feature request: why do i have to go to secret page to login? having the cookie form on the 'fee' page would be nice.	[02:53]
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midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	mike_c aite.	[02:54]
mike_c	i'm trying to make more friends today by nitpicking everyone's work.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	what, you do this with others, too ?	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL	[02:55]
mike_c	i tried on kako before.	[02:55]
mike_c	he told me to piss off	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	kako is not user friendly like i am	[02:55]
kakobrekla	:	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what's wrong ?	[02:57]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla is plenty user friendly. He just isn't luser friendly.	[02:57]
BingoBoingo	Like the Cardano.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	slander.	[02:58]
ThickAsThieves	indentify	[02:58]
ThickAsThieves	unless you are making up words	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	Well, of course kakobrekla manufacters the best slander. It works so good it makes itself right.	[02:59]
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BingoBoingo	!t h cog	[02:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13004 @ 0.00095193 = 12.3789 BTC [-] {5}	[02:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00497602 / 0.00763533 / 0.01098941 (455 shares, 3.47407316 BTC), 7D: 0.00413010 / 0.00731819 / 0.01098941 (1171 shares, 8.56960097 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01165576 / 0.08800000 (3024 shares, 35.24702191 BTC)	[02:59]
ThickAsThieves	mp did you see preston's retort? it's like a text version of the baby-with-mirror gif http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/	[03:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06835246 = 0.3418 BTC [+]	[03:00]
ThickAsThieves	TLDR = No u!	[03:00]
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kakobrekla	bb dude have you read that thread, jesus fuck.	[03:01]
ThickAsThieves	the preston dude is offensively oblivious	[03:01]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no, is it any good ?	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you now get a link off "cookie". good enuff ?	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: The part where they finally liquidate after a bunch of "no u" back and forth between Gar and Goat	[03:03]
mike_c	ah, yes. good enuff.	[03:03]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves heh wd.	[03:03]
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kakobrekla	im not even sure what they are doing	[03:06]
kakobrekla	its like monthy python on drugs	[03:06]
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kakobrekla	and real.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	!b 3	[03:06]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1795538/plain/)	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	the stones from the earth have spoken through the kako	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	bashed 102 quotes with 4440 votes < this is like.. not bad is it.	[03:08]
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kakobrekla	srs, look at this, must be preserved;	[03:09]
kakobrekla	--	[03:09]
kakobrekla	Quote from: Garr255 on April 21, 2014, 10:30:18 PM	[03:09]
kakobrekla	Cognitive Mining LLC is no longer liable for any past or present action or involved in the management of this project in any way. It is fully within the rights of Cognitive Mining LLC to find a new operator and resign.	[03:09]
kakobrekla	--	[03:09]
kakobrekla	what is this even	[03:09]
BingoBoingo	No one knows except the people who shouldn't	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	it looks like they're announcing a new bitcoin credit card	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	imo	[03:10]
kakobrekla	lol	[03:10]
artifexd	;;rate hanbot 1 vital part of my education	[03:12]
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ThickAsThieves	yknow this auth shit frustrates when paired with a crash	[03:20]
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Duffer1	a ~20min grace would be nice	[03:23]
Duffer1	if possible	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	It already has a 2-3 minute grace	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/18/the_future_of_war_25_you_better_be_ready_to_fight_like_its_a_pre_electronic_age	[03:29]
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BingoBoingo	jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579498.0	[03:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06963114 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2}	[03:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00094851 = 11.4295 BTC [-]	[03:53]
BingoBoingo	http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/23/bitcoin-needs-a-new-logo/	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	!up vcorem	[03:55]
assbot	Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.	[03:55]
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BingoBoingo	Preston has so much derp http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/22/the-ballad-of-doug-the-dao-part-1-time-to-stop-thinking-like-an-engineer/	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	"The U.S. Air Force, for example, no longer trains navigators in celestial sightings,"	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	holy shit.	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, but... sounds right based of whisperings.	[04:00]
BingoBoingo	The ground pounders seem to still be getting well versed in the arts of map and compass, but for the rest...	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	this reads to me like "the us cook force no longer trains sauce chefs in flour-and-oil saucing"	[04:02]
BingoBoingo	Then there's the accident by which a fuel tanker and crew were lost because control systems failed. The crew was done in though by a lack of parachutes which had been recently removed.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	well what the fuck then	[04:02]
mike_c	this preston jackass strikes me as a rebirth of dr foreskin. not worth even getting riled up over, and yet he manages to get under my skin with his herp derp.	[04:04]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[04:04]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 496.2, Best ask: 496.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 496.41, 24 hour volume: 8131.92029418, 24 hour low: 480.0, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.566399614	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	mike_c do you like zappa ?	[04:05]
mike_c	i don't really know him	[04:05]
BingoBoingo	Well the US defense posture goes back to the comments here where the challenges of an actual invasion of the US are discussed in terms of some areas having too many hillbillies to hold for an invader http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHa0_W8PD8 that's the song.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	ow fuck. no, wrong one. this is it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQQOhwL7nkM	[04:07]
mike_c	i was getting into disco boy :) i like it.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	Don't know much about dancin' that's why I got this song	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	One of my legs is shorter than the other 'n both my feet's too long	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	'Course now right along with 'em I got no natural rhythm	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	But I go dancin' every night hopin' one day I might get it right	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	I hear that beat; I jump outa my seat but I can't compete, cause I'm a dancin' fool, I'm a dancin' fool	[04:08]
BingoBoingo	The greatest problem with the movie Red Dawn is that no sane invader of the US would spend more effort than necessary to hold the Rockie Mountains than that necessary to cripple command structures there.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	When they see me comin' they all step aside	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	They has a fit while I commit my social suicide,	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i don't imagine anyone would be invading the us.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	just you know, sink all its cruisers and impose a massive war reparations programme.	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In the next 100 to 500 year someone might want to use Kansas as their own breadbasket.	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	just tax the locals.	[04:10]
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BingoBoingo	See this is the genius of Putin in Crimea and the enablement of US golden toilets all rolled into one.	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	Putin could have crimea and Eastern Ukraine because the people already favor Russia.	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmAqdKJCUAAHdzf.jpg << dat michelle ass.	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	However if 1000 hillbillies with rifles oppose their own government over cows...	[04:12]
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BingoBoingo	What luck do the Chinese have	[04:12]
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BingoBoingo	The same thing that gives Putin his good fortune enables America's golden toilets thus.	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	The entire world is Italy.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2845a << re this, kakobrekla or anyone with the data ready, what's the average duration for bitbet bets ?	[04:18]
jurov	BingoBoingo they don't necessarily favor Russia, they know well who Putin is	[04:18]
jurov	but they will be made to favor it any way necessary	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Well, no one is offered a perfectly selection of choices.	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	What enables or prohibits aggression for territory, is not tanks fighter jets, or nukes but the williness or lack thereof to accept certain kinds or sources of governance.	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	let me interject something related i was just happening to read. a bit of a paste :	[04:21]
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mircea_popescu	This stickiness of the Semitic languages supports a speculation: by the 7th Century there had to be many pockets in the Western Mediterranean of Punic-Canaanite speakers, about a thousand years after the fall of Carthage. Falling under Roman rule did not turn the population into Latin speakers (only for scholarly purposes, say Saint Augustine of Hyppo; we have much evidence of diglossia in the Levant, of the use of a l	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	anguage at home and for oral communication that is different from the language of writing, and doing so for 1000 years). And there had to be plenty of Semitic language speakers; just follow placenames from Carthage to Ramatuelle in France near Saint Tropez (ramat el means hill of God in both Canaanite and Hebrew). Even Marseilles seems to come from Marsa, port in Canaanite (and not from Massilia the Roman name since th	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	e Romans did not make names, but transcribed them). I estimate that the third of the coastal villages spoke Semitic dialects. The modus of the Phoenicians was network, hence a system of trade links built on trust (you send merchandise to a relative who pays you back; you needed a certain amount of trust before the letter of credit). The region is large: it extends all the way to Mogador on the Atlantic coast.	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	This explains the mystery of the effortless Arab invasion of the Southern and Western Mediterranean, all the way to Spain (and, less advertised, the Portuguese Algarve). They had to be welcomed by the local population along the coast. Canaanite and Arabic are easily mutually comprehensible (the distance between Semitic languages is very short, a corrollary of the stability thanks to the triplet of consonnants). And it	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	is wasy for a Punic speaker to progressively become an Arabic speaker, since he already knows 80-90% of the vocabulary.	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	This also gives some credibility to the thesis that was popping up in the 19th century that the North African Jews had a Phoenician origin (or that the difference between Canaanite and Jew before the rabbinical period was not very pronounced for p	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	( http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm, taleb's article)	[04:22]
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mircea_popescu	so BingoBoingo, war may simply be that : dating.	[04:27]
kakobrekla	85 days	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	who are the hillbillies going to support ? bigus dickus, the roman bureaucrat ?	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course it is. Diplomacy is also dating. Governance is a different thing though. Marriage.	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	jesus, the local nut ?	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	Usually the local nut.	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	putin the redbeard, the norwegian rapist cum invader ?	[04:28]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ty!	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	do you also sleep ?	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/zPGb4STRfKw << bigus dickus	[04:29]
BingoBoingo	The hill billies always support the local nut, or the regional nut they can identify with	[04:29]
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kakobrekla	90 if you include the time from closing to resolution	[04:32]
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kakobrekla	;;ud sleep	[04:32]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sleep \| You have been awake for 18 hours and are now viewing this useless definition of sleep. You are very tired and your brain is not functioning at its ...	[04:32]
kakobrekla	srsly someone planted that there eh	[04:32]
kakobrekla	next time ill rather google.	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	The wife is called Incontientia	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	incontinentia buttocks	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	Lol phrasing	[04:34]
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BingoBoingo	.bait	[04:35]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20810638,00.html	[04:36]
ozbot	Justin Bieber Detained by Customs at Los Angeles Airport - Crime & Courts, Justin Bieber : People.co	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	shot ruined by panties srsly.	[04:37]
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random_cat	wut benkay	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, in other news, elmo acquitted http://gawker.com/ex-elmo-voice-actor-kevin-clash-cleared-of-sexual-abuse-1567240733	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	im sure the practicak difference between acquittal and conviction is less than the difference between his life pre and post that nonsense.	[04:40]
BingoBoingo	For sure	[04:40]
BingoBoingo	In still continued news http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/us/colorado-marijuana-fourth-graders/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29	[04:40]
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BingoBoingo	Also a case of If you can You must http://gawker.com/school-agrees-to-stop-pumping-kids-full-of-mountain-dew-1567173577	[04:45]
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mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/04/20/ryanryans-31565/images/full/03.jpg	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	check out that awful titjob	[05:05]
ThickAsThieves	0O	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	That's like liver and stomach boobs. Missed the chest by quite a bit	[05:10]
BingoBoingo	Chicago http://deadspin.com/the-cubs-400-pound-wrigley-cake-is-sitting-in-a-dumpste-1567177257	[05:11]
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ThickAsThieves	nonsensical derpitude	[05:13]
BingoBoingo	Also the left hand path http://regressing.deadspin.com/can-you-predict-if-your-kid-will-throw-left-handed-1552111458/+kylenw	[05:13]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Whatever, you aren't getting any of my insider info.	[05:13]
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ThickAsThieves	"he researchers indeed discovered that left-handedness, like schizophrenia, was highly associated with being conceived in May or June " yknow this has always been my theory of how zodiac traits were started	[05:15]
BingoBoingo	I also swear deadspin might be the only Gawker enterprise worth saving.	[05:16]
ThickAsThieves	seasonal effects on mother, child, and the people influencing the child	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	Eh, I'm right handed but left eye dominant. Sometimes I'm clumsy, but that is usually just distilled rather than beyond the grave spirits at work.	[05:17]
ThickAsThieves	also in my own experience many of the crazies i met that are also smart are left-handed	[05:17]
cazalla	BingoBoingo: interesting article - my son is 14 weeks ATM, is favouring his left hand when grabbing for things yet no left handers in my family although my father is schizophrenic as was my grandfather and my uncle	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Well, teach him to throw a baseball and save his economic future.	[05:18]
ThickAsThieves	my brother favored his left hand but my dad basically "corrected" him out of it	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	speaking of may and june, check this shit out :	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2849	[05:19]
ozbot	BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	the may-june-july hole	[05:19]
Duffer1	in case anyone has some scorn they need to let out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.0	[05:19]
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Duffer1	Adeally	[05:19]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: didn't Obama already mention it last year albeit off the cuff remark questioning he needed to worry about it or not	[05:20]
ThickAsThieves	do those stats also conveniently map to bubbles?	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: What I gather is that SEO spammers can't spec interesting bets	[05:20]
cazalla	if*	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves maybe. was there a bubble last summer ?	[05:20]
ThickAsThieves	april	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	No, last summer was a slump	[05:20]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it's an indicator!	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	$100-80 until the rally to the millenial value	[05:21]
ThickAsThieves	correlation = causation!	[05:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: The discussion usually centers around “politeness“, because the mimics don’t really have the intellectual ability to identify, nor the ethical fiber to enunciate the real problem << reminds me:	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	i think low bet submissions being topical is enough to change the tide	[05:22]
asciilifeform	paging herr naggum!	[05:22]
asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243007932071437@naggum.no.html	[05:22]
ozbot	Re: Bohr's way - Naggum cll archive	[05:22]
asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244958379944187@naggum.no.html	[05:22]
ozbot	Re: Difference between LISP and C++ - Naggum cll archive	[05:22]
asciilifeform	(ignore the thread titles, these were strictly psychiatric ruminations, nothing to do with programming computer)	[05:22]
ThickAsThieves	ascii thats good stuff	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	"It has been my experience that it is strongly related to competence, but	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	competence is related to some method of measurement of your success at	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	what you try to do. If you work in a field where you cannot distinguish	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	between good or bad, where everything is someone's "personal opinion" and	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	nobody has any right answers, that just /has/ to be destructive for your	[05:23]
ThickAsThieves	self-confidence. "	[05:23]
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ThickAsThieves	basically my epitaph in marketing industry	[05:23]
cazalla	http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/wolff/2013/10/27/ceos-are-often-clueless-about-technology/3182203/ so Obama aware of Bitcoin in October of last year, wonder if that increases odds of meeting bet criteria	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	The most exciting treatise on politics Gawker has ever hosted http://deadspin.com/pine-tar-should-be-fully-legal-and-baseball-is-still-f-1567100538	[05:24]
ThickAsThieves	"The reason we didn't like it was because it was so 'in your face.' If he had been a little more discreet with it nothing would have ever been said."	[05:26]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	Truth	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	Everything is legal so long as you wait until the contest is over to flaunt it	[05:27]
ThickAsThieves	even the commenters that think they get it don't	[05:27]
ThickAsThieves	"Totally agree that it should be legal. In the mean time, Pineda really just needs to get better at this. I mean, he should realize that he is being watched after the last incident, there has to be a better place to put pine tar than on your neck. Just learn to cheat better."	[05:27]
ThickAsThieves	everyone talking about how he should have cheated	[05:28]
ThickAsThieves	not whether	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	I mean the writer cam to the wrong conclusion. It should still stay "banned" but discretion is the first step towards sophistication.	[05:28]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo, ThickAsThieves, other players of baseball - is the tar considered a cheat because it gives actual advantage? or merely not part of the regulation game?	[05:29]
ThickAsThieves	assimilate or eliminate is my motto	[05:29]
ThickAsThieves	if elimination is not possible,	[05:29]
ThickAsThieves	assimilation is mandatory	[05:29]
ThickAsThieves	as in, they obv cant totally stop people from using it	[05:30]
ThickAsThieves	therefore allow them to use it	[05:30]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Tar for pitchers is considered a forbiden necessity. For batters it is completely acceptable.	[05:30]
BingoBoingo	Also http://deadspin.com/does-your-favorite-team-suck-at-keeping-an-efficient-pa-1567366582	[05:30]
asciilifeform	elaborate on the 'forbidden necessity'	[05:30]
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asciilifeform	similar to, say, steroids?	[05:30]
ThickAsThieves	basically people are superstitious that picthers can do magical things when using tar	[05:31]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It's use is necessary to master the craft, but exposing it is a faux pas.	[05:31]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Different from steroids in that the results are more quantifiable.	[05:31]
ThickAsThieves	pitchers argue its only to prevent totally losing the ball into ttghe crowd	[05:31]
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ThickAsThieves	the answer is probly in the middle	[05:32]
ThickAsThieves	baseball is very traditional though	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	Steroids do little in baseball beyond decreasing the time to recover from injury and maybe adding a bit of power. Doctoring a ball though is nearly essential for a pitcher to excel.	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	Basically there are reasons it is mostly aging hitters taking steroids, but every pitcher is doctoring the ball.	[05:33]
ThickAsThieves	has anyone done useful research about pitching with tar?	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	(This sidesteps the part where all of the good batters have ADHD diagnoses because amphetamines are the best performance enhancer for a batter)	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Not for your budget.	[05:35]
ThickAsThieves	?	[05:35]
ThickAsThieves	my budget?	[05:35]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what kind of diagnoses do, e.g. marathon runners get? anemia?	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Yes. Marathoners get anemia. Hockey players get various autoimmune diagnoses.	[05:36]
BingoBoingo	To justify constant anti-inflammatory drugs	[05:36]
asciilifeform	lol	[05:36]
asciilifeform	what disease should one contract as, say, chess player ?	[05:36]
BingoBoingo	That probably would be ADHD again.	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	And is the reason many high level players don't want to see olympic chess.	[05:37]
asciilifeform	i thought this was because FIDE wanted to ban coffee	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	That too.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	the se;f confidence thing sounds just like greenspun's problem	[05:37]
asciilifeform	(who'll play after this!?)	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	But the distinction between leaded and unleaded coffee isn't caffinated vs. decaf.	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	cazalla well, if he had or hadn't, still has to be in bet interval. wasn't like a "first time" or anything	[05:38]
asciilifeform	leaded coffee!	[05:38]
ThickAsThieves	lol forumite says to me "What would it possibly take for you to remove the negative trust you left me?"	[05:38]
BingoBoingo	It was rumored that in baseball clubhouses leaded vs. unleaded was how they refered to amphetamine spiked coffee	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what does tar do ?	[05:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It affects grip and the aerodynamics of the ball.	[05:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And this is baseball so there are nearly as many balls spent in the game as outs.	[05:40]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: amphetamine isn't magic. see:	[05:40]
asciilifeform	http://yarchive.net/med/nootropics.html	[05:40]
ozbot	Nootropics ("smart drugs") (Steven B. Harris, M.D.)	[05:40]
asciilifeform	mandatory reading for the 'better living through chemistry' aficionados.	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	this is what, tar like on their hands ? like oil ?	[05:40]
asciilifeform	tldr - engineering tradeoffs of self-medication	[05:40]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Pine tar. So the sticky stuff pine leaks basically. Batters use it to not throw the bat into the crowd. Pitchers use it to add precision to the point they release the ball.	[05:42]
ThickAsThieves	it's sticky	[05:42]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Those exist indeed.	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	oic	[05:42]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: analogous to flying jet on 'afterburner'	[05:42]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Or rocket with boosters. The sauce only provides benefits for so long.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	afterburners are a pain in most situations tho. much less precision	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	Well afterburners is amphetamine. Pine tar is whatever makes a plane more responsive, engineered instability or whatever	[05:44]
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mircea_popescu	amusingly, i think pine tar is... amphetamine	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	funny how that wraps.	[05:45]
asciilifeform	i can hardly think of pine tar without tasting in my head that crap the greeks drink.	[05:45]
BingoBoingo	Well, it is not an incredibly simple mapping.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo but the one thing that makes the plane "more responsive" is spiking the pilot.	[05:47]
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BingoBoingo	Of course. It is better though if both the pilot and plane are spiked.	[05:47]
asciilifeform	one can easily think of the design boundaries here (spiked fellow in ww1 sopwith, vs 'clean' one in modern jet)	[05:48]
asciilifeform	basic boojum here is, however, 'first ecstacy, then laundry'	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	Pine tar is spiking the plane (The F-16, a wily old pitcher) amphetamine is spiking the pilot (B-2 crews, Barry Bonds)	[05:48]
asciilifeform	as described by steve harris	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	lol	[05:49]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Your link on nootropics reminds me of why the alcohol/caffine combination is my prefered and only regular combination from that toolset.	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	"If you /are/ the majority and I am in the minority, how could you possibly believe that I have not already and many years ago figured out exactly how you guys work? If you had the brain to do it, this would be a grave insult, but you do not think ahead. You do in fact not think at all, because the things you say can only be uttered by a mind closed shut long ago."	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	lelz	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	The only big error with the link is that nicotine is not cholinergic at all	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	Nicotine is nicotinic	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	Works on its own subset of the acetycholine responsive system while ignoring others.	[05:54]
asciilifeform	;;google nicotinic acetylcholine receptor	[05:54]
gribble	Nicotinic acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Nicotinic agonist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[05:54]
asciilifeform	pediwikia will have to suffice for now	[05:55]
BingoBoingo	And the literature reveals nicotine excites some, but not all cholinergic receptors.	[05:55]
asciilifeform	sure	[05:55]
*	asciilifeform flashbacks to old day job	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	no he has a point, calling it cholinergic is a ridiculous approximation.	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	might as well call busses "avionic"	[05:56]
asciilifeform	lul	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	well... they're kinda similar.	[05:56]
asciilifeform	the little plane that goes to timis. from germany is astoundingly bus-like.	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	Well, think of dopamine (which the pharmacologically illerterate posit fuels all addiction)	[05:57]
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BingoBoingo	There are different dopamine agonists and antagonists that don't all hit the same types of dopamine receptors	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	dude i love this chan. i shall now write yet another great trilema article on the basis of shit i ran into here.	[05:58]
BingoBoingo	And of the major addictive drugs of abuse only cocaine and amphetamines hit any type of dopamine receptor primarily	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either	[05:59]
asciilifeform	one of the things i used to do is model action of oximes (as an antidote to anticholinergics)	[05:59]
BingoBoingo	If dopamine for its own sake was the desired effect, junkies would skip heroin and just eat L-DOPA and broadbreans	[05:59]
asciilifeform	and this always gave me sad thoughts about how a very similar mechanism could probably be used to zap 'tolerance' to, e.g. caffeine	[05:59]
asciilifeform	but It Would Be Wrong (TM)	[06:00]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: And I sat through literally 2/3rds of the PharmD curiculumn, half of it twice. But as a TA so I get no credit for having done such a thing.	[06:00]
asciilifeform	eat L-DOPA and broadbreans << nope. kinetics are 90% of the fun	[06:00]
asciilifeform	as you probably know.	[06:00]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Kinetics are huge.	[06:01]
asciilifeform	consider why cocainistas snort, inject - never eat	[06:01]
BingoBoingo	Poor first pass metabolism	[06:01]
BingoBoingo	isn't economical to eat.	[06:01]
BingoBoingo	With L-Dopa the Blood Brain Barrier plays a role, but convulsions play a bigger one	[06:02]
BingoBoingo	Nicotine is the perfect model of an addictive drug because tremendous excess is tolerated by the peripheral neurons, but its absence after tolerance raises holy fucking hell.	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	holy fucking hell my foot.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	it raises the most minor of inconveniences conceivable.	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In the accultured. As opposed to the occasional	[06:04]
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mircea_popescu	people just conveniently pretend like their experiences matter out of all proportion.	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	Sure.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	do an experiment where you get shocked at a modest 48 volts at random intervals on average 8 times a second.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	for you know, nine weeks.	[06:05]
BingoBoingo	Imma prolly miss the shocks.	[06:05]
asciilifeform	you can buy a convenient instrument for this.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	in your teeth.	[06:05]
asciilifeform	at dog shops	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	now that's an inconvenience. not fucking nicotine deprivation.	[06:05]
asciilifeform	teeth? what'd you have? the fabled 'radio amalgam' ?	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	just sayin'.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	get a special bed rigged where you get pricked with a pin. all the time. somewhere.	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	Well, you have to consider what receptor is involved at the intersection of skeletal muscle and the neuro	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	or forget that even. just a sm	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	simple programme of... load crates 16 hours a day. every day.	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	or dig ditches or w/e.	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	Now we're getting to common ground	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	after six weeks of that, the choice is never smoke again and never have to crate it up again	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	or both.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	suddenly the hot fucking hell is like...	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	16 hours of lifting arbitrary things about nicotine cessation for the habituated	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	arbitrary things over 30lbs	[06:09]
BingoBoingo	Over 15lbs even, if we are going arbitrary and 16 hours, 5-15 lbs, The unpredictability of load has value.	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	30 to 60.	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	good enough	[06:10]
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BingoBoingo	Keep in mind my experiences prolly don't map onto to many others. I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors most people have in the general population)	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i'm kinda up to here with the smoking addiction thing. i've been smoking since ~16. that's two decades ago. i still smoke, i average a pack a month. prolly less these days. it takes all the willpower of a tomato as far as i can tell, it's never bothered me.	[06:12]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors << where'd you misplace them?	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bad divorce.	[06:12]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:12]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Back when 23andme made medical declarations I spit in a tube. Apparently I am part A-Rab	[06:13]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[06:13]
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BingoBoingo	I guess because the gene was TAQ something or other	[06:14]
asciilifeform	my first guess was MPTP.	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	Nah	[06:14]
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asciilifeform	;;google Barry Kidston MPTP	[06:15]
gribble	MPTP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Opiophilia: The Frozen Addicts: A Cautionary Tale: ; Heroin, MPTP, and the key to Parkinson's Disease - Everything2.com:	[06:15]
BingoBoingo	I'm familiar with MPTP induced parkinsons from reading.	[06:15]
asciilifeform	better than from practice!	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	Parkinsons is more a D-1 and D-3 thing though.	[06:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [+] {2}	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	I have an admitedly odd neurology. I throw a baseball right handed but have to shoot the rifle left handed.	[06:17]
BingoBoingo	My left eye tremendously overpowers the right, but my right hand tremendously has dexterity over the left.	[06:19]
BingoBoingo	In practice this works great for watching porn because different halves of my brain can be watching porn vs. jacking me off, a perfect stranger	[06:21]
asciilifeform	wetware DMA ?	[06:22]
BingoBoingo	More like SCSI.	[06:22]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:22]
BingoBoingo	Terminators and all	[06:22]
asciilifeform	this has potential for good sf story mindfuck	[06:22]
asciilifeform	folks in the Dark Future of Hello Kitty (TM) splitting their brain, so they can literally (in their head) fuck themselves.	[06:23]
BingoBoingo	I also throw a bowling ball with alternating hands given situations favorable to one side or the other's strengths	[06:23]
BingoBoingo	The only people IRL on OL with similar issues were notorious epileptics so I guess being more functional than that is a plus.	[06:24]
BingoBoingo	For all I actually know maybe I am more addicted to menthol than nicotine	[06:25]
asciilifeform	shouldn't be hard to find out which, no?	[06:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.512005 = 1.024 BTC [-] {2}	[06:26]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Especially hard since 23andme conceded medicine to MObama	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	The beautiful thing is this doesn't much matter.	[06:27]
asciilifeform	i meant, by taking only one and see what happens	[06:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 481 @ 0.00444549 = 2.1383 BTC [-] {14}	[06:28]
BingoBoingo	There are some practical restrictions. Like my preference for menthol cigarettes.	[06:28]
BingoBoingo	Next thing you know I will forsake N.W.A. for Sheryl Crow	[06:29]
BingoBoingo	Also I can't threaten incapacitating my self that much lest BTC/AtC goes to hell	[06:30]
asciilifeform	where's it now?	[06:31]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future.	[06:32]
BingoBoingo	Between 100 and 200 satoshis	[06:33]
asciilifeform	i now confess that i missed what was herbi and wife	[06:33]
asciilifeform	some bozo invested his fortune in atc ?!?	[06:33]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The conversation is attached to here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/	[06:33]
BingoBoingo	He invested little. It seemed to be a small portion of his anything.	[06:34]
asciilifeform	so how'd this constitute a zapping of future?	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	You were at points in the conversation.	[06:34]
asciilifeform	lol i was wasnt i	[06:34]
asciilifeform	prob. on autopilot	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	Read on, you saw it the first time.	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	He sought to seed microstructures, but every order he entered was like my betting green in roulette and hitting.	[06:35]
asciilifeform	lel	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future. << dude srsly.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	suppose you actually do something like that one day.	[06:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	what are you going to say, "herp", because you already used the proper expression in april 2014 ?	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	gotta save yourself some cake.	[06:37]
asciilifeform	'dynamic range'	[06:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0325 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {2}	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly. Cake comes and goes. I might hammer out consistent gains, but probably never again over a bid-ask pread of 4 times	[06:38]
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BingoBoingo	(spread so deep it lost a consanant)	[06:38]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i re-read that thing. maybe it'd make sense to me with strong drink.	[06:41]
asciilifeform	as it is i'm tuned to wrong frequency, perhaps	[06:41]
benkay	;;later tell decimation i did indeed and would be pleased to help you do the same although i'm sure you can figure it out	[06:41]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well I mentioned this in another post, but it goes back to baseball. Who carries half of a ptcher's success and why?	[06:42]
*	asciilifeform reviews piece on baseball in '93 issue of 'наука и жизнь'	[06:43]
*	asciilifeform lives in usa since '92 and needs to do this	[06:43]
BingoBoingo	Normally the answer is the catcher calling pitches, as a great catcher is a slightly better source of entropy than the batter	[06:44]
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BingoBoingo	This exists as an exact why for bitches loving Yadier Molina.	[06:45]
BingoBoingo	Though on the same team and Albert Pujols becoming a legend first, this is the exact machanism that made Pujols fungible with Carlos Beltran et al. while Molina was and is irreplaceable.	[06:46]
asciilifeform	anyone here other than BingoBoingo - gets this?	[06:47]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo works as scholar of sport? a referee?	[06:48]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Consider the game of chess vs. the game of artillery.	[06:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]	[06:48]
BingoBoingo	In chess there is a tremendous advantage to anticipating lines your opponent might try to put forth.	[06:49]
BingoBoingo	Where as in artillery the goal is to hit the target first.	[06:49]
asciilifeform	vs where?	[06:49]
BingoBoingo	Well, a pitcher to get an out either has to throw three strikes or get the hitter to put the ball in a location favorable to one of their fielders.	[06:50]
BingoBoingo	Multiple attempts are a necessity	[06:50]
BingoBoingo	No less than three.	[06:50]
BingoBoingo	Vs. artillery where the opponent merely needs to hit you once	[06:51]
asciilifeform	perhaps in msdos game 'scorched earth', where each side gets one cannon.	[06:51]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Actually I am thinking the Apple II version, but yes, that artillery game	[06:52]
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benkay	and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either << wot ch2 omission smarted	[06:53]
BingoBoingo	Otherwise we could suppose infinite shitty alternate artillery games where one side produces a grunt who climbs a hill and stabs the cannon to death.	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	benkay hm ?	[06:53]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'paratrooper'	[06:54]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: lol.	[06:54]
asciilifeform	http://image.dosgamesarchive.com/screenshots/paratrooper.gif	[06:54]
benkay	mircea_popescu: dun think i got any credit for popping the recent sybils.	[06:54]
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mircea_popescu	no credit for you!	[06:55]
benkay	used to it	[06:55]
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benkay	's why i'm in mgmt these days	[06:55]
benkay	(marginally)	[06:55]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Reminds me of a conundrum. Every US Infantry officer gets the chance at ranger school after graduation, but many officers deployed to ostentiably infantry assignments will not be infantry officers.	[06:55]
BingoBoingo	Afghanistan fucks all empires	[06:58]
BingoBoingo	Because Italy	[06:58]
BingoBoingo	By Italy I mean classic Italy, anyone born more than two barns from you and your goats is a foreigner	[06:59]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: If you want a shortcut to understanding baseball the 2011 world series game six and 2012 StL vs. Washington NLDS game five paired with the 2013 NLCS makes a nice summary of the entire contemporary game	[07:04]
BingoBoingo	Narrative: Innexplicable offense, still moar inexplicable offense, dissapointement by regression to the mean.	[07:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00094742 = 13.0744 BTC [+] {3}	[07:07]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Am I representing 'Murican infatuation with baseball fairly?	[07:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03201 = 0.3201 BTC [-]	[07:08]
BingoBoingo	Poor assbot, the BTC-TC collapse has kept it so quiet	[07:11]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[07:12]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 469.95, Best ask: 469.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 469.96, 24 hour volume: 13964.55874092, 24 hour low: 469.96, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 487.558581229	[07:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0703 = 0.3515 BTC [+]	[07:12]
ThickAsThieves	the sky, it's at my feet!	[07:12]
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benkay	BingoBoingo: couldn't say i'm a rebel cascadian hiding in the hills	[07:13]
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benkay	BingoBoingo: were we to lay out diamonds we'd get insta-zapped by drones	[07:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0704 = 0.1408 BTC [+]	[07:14]
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benkay	so uh amazon	[07:16]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Well befor I realized my mammal vexation was an actual mouse what remedies did I Spz?	[07:17]
benkay	oh wizards of high finance and running companies - what the fuck is up with amazon?	[07:17]
benkay	pardon, BingoBoingo ?	[07:17]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Amazon burns all the capital, because growth.	[07:17]
benkay	it can't be that simple	[07:17]
BingoBoingo	benkay: May be a couple logs ago	[07:17]
benkay	BingoBoingo: moisin, do i recall?	[07:18]
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BingoBoingo	benkay: Mosin was one option, some sks variant was another with the particular variant left in the air, so long as it wasn't chinese	[07:18]
benkay	rifles vs drones?	[07:19]
BingoBoingo	Nah, vs. "mice"	[07:19]
BingoBoingo	Shoe took care of "mice" which was an actual mouse	[07:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0075 = 0.1425 BTC [+]	[07:20]
BingoBoingo	Bitch to scrape off of the floor, but... learning	[07:20]
benkay	BingoBoingo: is amazon burning the capital? the party line is that they're reinvesting it.	[07:21]
benkay	i haven't looked at the actual books but i'm imagining that each spend on one side is balanced by an acquisition on the other. maybe just of engineering time, but w/e.	[07:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0715 = 0.286 BTC [+]	[07:22]
BingoBoingo	benkay: As best as I can tell with Amazon is that they have done nothing other than reinvest in their history. Like the Poker Player who doubled down 21 times in row and won.	[07:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0321 = 0.321 BTC [+]	[07:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.50897936 = 12.2155 BTC [-] {8}	[07:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.0009493 = 22.8781 BTC [+] {3}	[07:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0715 = 0.3575 BTC [+]	[07:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.071999 = 2.016 BTC [+]	[07:44]
BingoBoingo	http://io9.com/wwii-propaganda-billboards-from-the-united-states-secre-1567145725	[07:46]
ozbot	WWII Propaganda Billboards From The United States' Secret Atomic City	[07:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.071999 = 0.216 BTC [+]	[07:47]
BingoBoingo	Mysteries I want in a blog post, Benkay, why did you ever stop trolling me after my return to -assets	[07:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071999 = 0.144 BTC [+]	[07:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0075 = 0.165 BTC [+]	[07:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00095061 = 0.9506 BTC [+]	[07:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00094761 = 12.9823 BTC [-] {2}	[07:55]
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benkay	;;rate decimation 1 a fellow, i reckon.	[08:06]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user decimation has been recorded.	[08:06]
benkay	BingoBoingo: what, you want me to perpetuate the mystery in a blog post or three? ;)	[08:06]
benkay	;;seen blackwhite	[08:06]
gribble	blackwhite was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, and 55 seconds ago: hola peeps	[08:06]
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decimation	Why thank you sir	[08:09]
benkay	BingoBoingo: a few reasons.	[08:09]
decimation	;;rate decimation 1 gave me a hand	[08:09]
gribble	Error: You cannot rate yourself.	[08:09]
decimation	;;rate benkay 1 gave me a hand	[08:09]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.	[08:09]
decimation	I missed ;)	[08:09]
benkay	misfire!	[08:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.500001 BTC [-]	[08:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00464986 = 0.4975 BTC [-] {3}	[08:10]
benkay	a) i don't actually troll.	[08:10]
benkay	b)	[08:10]
benkay	b) you've got stuff 'twixt your ears that'll spill more easily if we're on good terms than ill.	[08:10]
benkay	c) make friends not enemies?	[08:11]
benkay	that's the short of it, BingoBoingo	[08:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.500001 = 1.5 BTC [-]	[08:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00468173 = 0.1311 BTC [+] {3}	[08:13]
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decimation	http://www.profitconfidential.com/real-estate-market/dead-cat-bounce-housing-market/	[08:15]
ozbot	Dead-Cat Bounce Over for the Housing Market?	[08:15]
decimation	In the first quarter of 2014, mortgage originations at Citigroup Inc. (NYSE/C) declined 71% from the same period a year ago. The bank issued $5.2 billion in mortgages in the first quarter of 2014, compared to $8.3 billion in the previous quarter and $18.0 billion in the first quarter of 2013. (Source: Citigroup Inc. web site, last accessed April 14, 2014.)	[08:15]
decimation	but the "recovery" is great guys, just some snow, no problems here	[08:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.0009488 = 3.7003 BTC [+]	[08:16]
benkay	nice to have you back, decimation :)	[08:18]
benkay	i think it's time to go all cash, neh?	[08:19]
benkay	or at least balance hard in that direction.	[08:19]
decimation	re: amazon, I've heard it's a tough life working there. Look at the glassdoor reviews: they cheapskate on everything. Yeah, the salary is okay, but you better enjoy being on call	[08:19]
decimation	Well, of course cash sucks because no return, and inflation is biting at your heels	[08:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16060 @ 0.00095071 = 15.2684 BTC [+] {3}	[08:20]
decimation	I suspect a large crash would signal another leg up for bitcoin though	[08:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.0047091 = 0.3014 BTC [+] {2}	[08:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00094757 = 13.7871 BTC [-] {3}	[08:24]
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benkay	kinda hoping to get the tax situation dialed before btc legs up	[08:35]
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decimation	yeah you have to lock in those losses	[08:36]
benkay	asciilifeform: thanks for those naggum links.	[08:36]
benkay	decimation: ugh don't talk like that	[08:36]
benkay	decimation: if i burn all my bridges here, i'm moving up to seattle and working in the server mines for a year to reestablish my capital base.	[08:40]
decimation	heh well that's a plan I guess. It's honest work at least, keeping the internet goblins at bay	[08:42]
benkay	honest work	[08:43]
benkay	shipping finely spun plastic widgets that should never have been made to the herds who should never have been granted credit in the first place	[08:43]
benkay	honestly?	[08:43]
benkay	in one way or another i've been standing by and squirting grease on the thing since i was a bairn.	[08:44]
decimation	well, people "need" "their" "stuff"	[08:45]
benkay	i gotta decouple, man.	[08:46]
benkay	get out of this shithole somehow or make it tolerable until the us comes crashing down about my ears.	[08:46]
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decimation	http://time.com/2742/nearly-half-of-america-lives-paycheck-to-paycheck/	[08:49]
ozbot	Nearly Half of America Lives Paycheck-to-Paycheck - TIME	[08:49]
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decimation	The CFED calls these folks ?liquid asset poor,? and its report finds that 44% of Americans are living with less than $5,887 in savings for a family of four. The plight of these folks is compounded by the fact that the recession ravaged many Americans? credit scores to the point that now 56% percent of us have subprime credit.	[08:49]
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decimation	It's hard to see how amazon is going to keep exponential growth selling crap to indebted peasants	[08:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49001 BTC [-]	[08:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00434629 = 0.2173 BTC [-] {3}	[08:51]
Apocalyptic	amazon is not the only one with this business model	[08:52]
Apocalyptic	and far from it	[08:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.0009513 = 18.8357 BTC [+] {2}	[08:52]
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decimation	presuming that only %46 of Americans can qualify for a mortgage, it seems likely that a subset of that %46 will end up owning %100 of the homes	[08:55]
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decimation	;;later tell mircea_popescu how does the idea of the Punishment Gazette interact with the common law idea of corporate personhood? When you are wronged by an idiot employee, is it he who takes the hit on the WoT or his employer?	[08:59]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:59]
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mircea_popescu	decimation depends on the reaction of the corporation. if they fire him, him. if they don't, both.	[09:00]
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decimation	This reaction being fully played for everyone in the WoT to judge, of course	[09:01]
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mircea_popescu	well yes.	[09:03]
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mircea_popescu	for instance recently : gigaom's atrociously mendacious coverage of bitcoin has put him on my blacklist.	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	he's a sort of max keiser, as far as i'm concerned.	[09:03]
decimation	one can see a business opportunity: summarize the gazette in a trustworthy manner, like a monk-scribe and not like a "journalist"	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	sure. it's one of the principal tasks mpoe-pr had	[09:04]
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decimation	;;rate hanbot 1 freely published timely advice which triggered my exit from btct.co	[09:10]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.	[09:10]
decimation	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 publishes mentally stimulating content	[09:11]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.	[09:11]
decimation	and with that g'night	[09:12]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-scum/ here, that is what you made me do.	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	ten thousand fucking words.	[09:14]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[13:59]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu	[13:59]
fluffypony	you missed MrWDunne by 6 seconds	[13:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00094289 = 4.3844 BTC [-]	[14:00]
punkman	you can make another one for fiddy cents	[14:00]
fluffypony	Banka de Fluffy has a certain ring to it	[14:01]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony who is mrwdunne ?	[14:04]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: the guy that's starting a UK exchange because there "isn't one"	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	awww	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	well, maybe next time someone starts a uk exchange.	[14:05]
HeySteve	anyone familiar with SingleHop hosting?	[14:07]
HeySteve	"This week, SingleHop engineers noticed an increase in the number of customers reporting compromised servers. As we investigated these reports, we were able to identify a common malicious software program installed on many of the compromised servers. The malware is specifically designed to siphon the server’s computing power into mining bitcoins. This has been a growing trend throughout	[14:09]
HeySteve	the web lately, with malware attacks of this nature being reported by customers of AWS and the Iowa State University."	[14:09]
fluffypony	that just points to shitty sysadmins; if they're not monitoring load what are they doing?	[14:09]
HeySteve	call of duty and bong hits? who knows. but would monitoring load prevent this sort of thing occurring in the first place?	[14:12]
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fluffypony	not entirely, but any sysadmin worth his salt needs to know when to scale	[14:13]
fluffypony	and you do that by consistently monitoring resource utilisation over time	[14:13]
HeySteve	well I have no idea if they caught this early or late	[14:13]
HeySteve	but they've taken action, cleaned it apparently	[14:14]
HeySteve	I'm more interested in the malware and where the coins are going, I wonder if they preserved a specimen (sort of thing)	[14:14]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: The entire world is Italy. <- true words	[14:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00094625 = 4.4266 BTC [+]	[14:18]
HeySteve	they hint it's related to heartbleed, NRPE or Ebury, not that I'd heard of the other 2	[14:18]
fluffypony	ebury is an rk	[14:20]
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fluffypony	can you search the WoT for a specific gpg key id?	[14:27]
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random_cat	mircea_popescue: here on http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR is apparently invalid	[14:29]
random_cat	mircea_popescu, even	[14:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0708 = 0.2124 BTC [-]	[14:35]
jurov	davout ^	[14:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.50000001 = 5 BTC [-]	[14:37]
random_cat	signed documets and stale urls: yum	[14:42]
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jurov	davout will surely fix it	[14:43]
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fluffypony	bitcoinpete: morning	[15:16]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: howdy!	[15:16]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: saw that article about the mt gox coins flowing into maidsafe. that thing is more crooked than a chicago politician	[15:17]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: and if you go to http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php you should be able to just search the page for a key	[15:18]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete: yep, but then some bright spark traced some coins back to BTC Guild and accused Eulethria of being complicit	[15:18]
wywialm	hello, bitcoinpete	[15:18]
fluffypony	without thinking that maybe someone mined some coins in the pool, withdrew them, and then used them	[15:18]
fluffypony	because obviously all coins just appear out of thin air	[15:19]
bitcoinpete	magic coins are magic!	[15:19]
bitcoinpete	wywialm: ahoy :)	[15:20]
fluffypony	needless to say, eulethria was pissed	[15:20]
fluffypony	was/is	[15:20]
bitcoinpete	fair enough	[15:20]
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bitcoinpete	so ltb head adam levine tried writing about maidsafe for techcrunch and they pulled his article cuz it had a tip widget	[15:21]
bitcoinpete	so he republished it on his website: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/maidsafe-wildly-successful-crypto-crowdsale-debacle/	[15:21]
fluffypony	lawl	[15:22]
fluffypony	did they think it defeated journalistic integrity?	[15:22]
bitcoinpete	that's exactly it	[15:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1499 @ 0.0001291 = 0.1935 BTC [+] {2}	[15:23]
bitcoinpete	kid is pissing me off pretending he knows shit though, quotes like "Life is about variables, monetary fundamentals is entirely about variables." abound	[15:23]
cazalla	how'd he sneak that widget in	[15:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5395 @ 0.00006412 = 0.3459 BTC [-] {9}	[15:24]
bitcoinpete	"The MAIDSAFE project specifically and these types of crowdsales broadly have a great future ahead, but it’s a bit like launching a boat – careful thought, diligent planning and rigorous construction must all come together or the whole thing sinks." <	[15:25]
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fluffypony	someone needs to tell MaidSafe and this "Dark Market" crap that they're reinventing the wheel; Tahoe-LAFS over I2P already has a web client and is a distributed data store etc.	[15:25]
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cazalla	bitcoinpete: so you won't be accepting ltbcoin for your writings?	[15:25]
bitcoinpete	cazalla: good question. obviously not very subtly or else tc wouldn't have published and retracted	[15:26]
bitcoinpete	cazalla: oh goodness	[15:26]
cazalla	maybe the editor just copy/pasta'd without proofreading	[15:26]
bitcoinpete	levine is also doing this humint.is thing. he's the "cvo"	[15:26]
bitcoinpete	"We help brands create digital	[15:26]
bitcoinpete	currencies to make good.	[15:26]
bitcoinpete	We are Humint."	[15:26]
fluffypony	oh god	[15:27]
fluffypony	CVO as in Chief Visionary Officer?	[15:27]
davout	random_cat jurov it's fixed, thank you for reporting	[15:27]
davout	;;rate random_cat 1 reads the fine print	[15:27]
thestringpuller	;;google Chief Visionary Officer	[15:27]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user random_cat has been recorded.	[15:27]
gribble	Chief visionary officer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What is CVO (chief visionary officer)? - Definition from WhatIs.com: ; Chief Visionary Officer \| The Black Man Can Institute:	[15:27]
thestringpuller	;;google define Chief Visionary Officer	[15:27]
gribble	Chief visionary officer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Chief executive officer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What is CVO (chief visionary officer)? - Definition from WhatIs.com:	[15:27]
bitcoinpete	;;google cvo	[15:28]
gribble	CVO: Summary for Cenveo Inc- Yahoo! Finance: ; Cascades Volcano Observatory: ; CVO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[15:28]
bitcoinpete	mmm vulcans...	[15:28]
thestringpuller	ratings for finding bugs	[15:29]
thestringpuller	lol davout where do you live in France?	[15:29]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: new idea for a Bug Bounty program?	[15:29]
thestringpuller	(trying to estimate shipping for cookies)	[15:29]
davout	thestringpuller: ~paris	[15:30]
davout	thestringpuller: reading fine print is a good thing, why not rate it as such? :D	[15:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00469993 = 0.282 BTC [+] {3}	[15:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00094353 = 5.9914 BTC [-]	[15:37]
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jurov	if random_cat really did read fine print, he'd ask you straight, not mirceau popescue	[15:41]
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davout	brb, gonna slap myself with wet pussies	[15:43]
davout	!up Luke-Jr	[15:43]
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random_cat	good choice	[15:43]
fluffypony	drowning cats again?	[15:43]
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ThickAsThieves	so much log	[15:45]
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random_cat	blame the wet pussies	[15:46]
davout	random_cat: wet pussies are the consequence of so much log, not the other way around	[15:46]
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random_cat	i think that depends upon where one's nose is	[15:47]
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bitcoinpete	http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/3332609/Banking-and-Capital-Markets-Emerging-Markets/Chinas-Rate-Liberalization-Stakes-Who-Wins-Who-Loses.html?ArticleId=3332609&single=true#.U1kNLuaSyXQ	[15:49]
bitcoinpete	http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/3332458/Asset-Management-Macro/Is-China-Really-Prepared-to-Shift-to-Market-Driven-Interest-Rates.html?ArticleId=3332458&rel=nofollow&single=true#.U1kEB-aSyXQ	[15:49]
ozbot	Is China Really Prepared to Shift to Market-Driven Interest Rates? \| Institutional Investor	[15:49]
random_cat	not at all	[15:50]
bitcoinpete	"Worry about skin in the game, not inequality."	[15:57]
bitcoinpete	taleb's on a roll right now	[15:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1469 @ 0.00094559 = 1.3891 BTC [+]	[15:58]
HeySteve	yeah Eleuthria contacted me, glad I was vague and didn't make any accusations of involvement there	[16:01]
HeySteve	re: <+fluffypony> needless to say, eulethria was pissed	[16:02]
fluffypony	yeah for real	[16:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094843 = 3.7937 BTC [+]	[16:06]
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punkman	http://cryptome.org/jya/digicrash.htm	[16:10]
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fluffypony	danielpbarron: my sincere condolances	[16:26]
danielpbarron	heh	[16:26]
fluffypony	I have both my left and my right hands still attached	[16:26]
Naphex	http://www.fentonreport.com/bitcoin/why-the-savegox-plan-is-very-important-to-the-bitcoin-ecosystem	[16:27]
ozbot	Why the SaveGox Plan is Very Important to the Bitcoin Ecosystem \| FENTON REPORT	[16:27]
Naphex	or just let gox diee	[16:27]
fluffypony	he has a point though - if the 200k coins they magically "found" form part of the assets sold off to pay creditors, customers will proportionally get less as they have to share with other creditors	[16:29]
fluffypony	I'm just glad I never kept coins on there	[16:30]
*	danielpbarron too	[16:30]
Naphex	https://i.imgur.com/CDR0owC.png load times post frontend optimizations :D	[16:31]
fluffypony	nice	[16:31]
fluffypony	did you reduce page size as well?	[16:32]
Naphex	nah	[16:32]
Naphex	mostly cacheing tuning	[16:33]
Naphex	and removing some bugdowns	[16:34]
fluffypony	cool nice	[16:34]
fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/xmnlXIW.jpg	[16:34]
Naphex	lol	[16:35]
Blazedout419	guys can China get out and stay out..	[16:38]
Blazedout419	So bored with the China bans already	[16:39]
Naphex	they banned btc again?:)	[16:39]
fluffypony	!up MrWDunne	[16:40]
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MrWDunne	Yes, they are banning btc again	[16:40]
MrWDunne	Essentially leaves China to use Cash only, not sure if they will be willing to use that	[16:40]
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Naphex	well, i missed the whole news	[16:41]
Naphex	so.. hooray!	[16:41]
fluffypony	lawl	[16:42]
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pankkake	I'm surprised things like mtgox bankruptancy were considered "bad" for bitcoin price	[16:43]
pankkake	after all, you realize there are now less bitcoins than previously thought	[16:43]
MrWDunne	No	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	dont blame china for US selling bitcoins	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[16:44]
fluffypony	Naphex: that graph on the front page, it's not possible to zoom in right? wanted to see if you guys saw a dip from the China thing as well	[16:44]
MrWDunne	Pankkake Same amount of bitcoins. Just in fewer people's hands	[16:44]
MrWDunne	Starbucks apparently holds a large amount of BTC	[16:44]
Naphex	fluffypony: there is a slider down, you squeeze it	[16:44]
pankkake	well no, fractionnal reserves means more bitcoins than there are	[16:44]
Naphex	will switch it with a good graph pretty soon, the data plant should be ready by monday	[16:45]
fluffypony	OH, didn't see that	[16:45]
Naphex	and we'll replace it with proper OHLC-V data & candlesticks	[16:45]
fluffypony	neat	[16:45]
Naphex	brb, heading home. done with the office	[16:46]
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asciilifeform	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/52-year-old-french-banker-jumps-her-death-paris-after-questioning-her-superiors	[16:46]
ozbot	52 Year-Old French Banker Jumps To Her Death In Paris (After Questioning Her Superiors) \| Zero Hedge	[16:46]
Naphex	and its raining :\|	[16:46]
MrWDunne	pankkake: They didn't just disappear. They just moved to somewhere other than the owners hands	[16:47]
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pankkake	but that was a while ago. so those bitcoins were already out, priced. yet people were still seing pretty numbers of bitcoins that were not there	[16:48]
MrWDunne	The problem is we don't know when they left, so its hard to price in.	[16:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49953258 BTC [-]	[16:48]
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pankkake	right	[16:49]
MrWDunne	It does mean for a while there were more bitcoins in circulation than actually existed. But when did it all start?	[16:49]
fluffypony	pankkake: you'll love this - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579498.0	[16:50]
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fluffypony	raed the 2nd post	[16:51]
fluffypony	*read	[16:51]
pankkake	yeah I saw it :)	[16:51]
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MrWDunne	Owch, good job by them	[16:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00094843 = 1.802 BTC [+]	[17:04]
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Naphex	fluffypony: prolly more interesting, RON vs BTCHotWallet https://i.imgur.com/ZvdQiSl.png	[17:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1100 @ 0.0001291 = 0.142 BTC [+]	[17:17]
fluffypony	clicks	[17:17]
fluffypony	interesting	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	"On the business front, Android fans are more apt to show a strong interest in Evernote (16.65X), LinkedIn (6.90X), venture capital (5.44X), and corporate finance (3.85X). The only business topics to feature prominently for iOS fans are TechCrunch (13.55X) and Bitcoin (7.93X)."	[17:18]
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bitcoinpete	"#blackcoin is temporarily down but because of excellent community support we're working super hard to get it up again. ETA 2 hours." << ummm	[17:18]
mod6	so this looks weird:	[17:19]
mod6	$depth s.mpoe	[17:19]
mpexbot	mod6: S.MPOE Bids: ['15250 @ 0.00094828', '2256 @ 0.00094717', '4878 @ 0.00094541', '9100 @ 0.00094403', '4358 @ 0.00094297']	[17:19]
mpexbot	mod6: Asks: ['12204 @ 0.00094843', '18446744073709523111 @ 0.0009494', '10350 @ 0.00094958', '11050 @ 0.0009503', '3779 @ 0.0009512']	[17:19]
mod6	'18446744073709523111 @ 0.0009494'	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	eek	[17:20]
bitcoinpete	holy	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	mircea_popescu ^^^	[17:20]
mod6	it's happened before, was quickly fixed.	[17:20]
kakobrekla	broken again	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	http://pando.com/2014/04/23/startups-anonymous-things-founders-say-to-investors-that-are-complete-bs/	[17:20]
ozbot	Startups Anonymous: Things founders say to investors that are complete BS \| PandoDaily	[17:20]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: sounds like maidsafe and bitgo all wrapped into one	[17:21]
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ThickAsThieves	!up MichalisBTC	[17:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0718 = 0.1436 BTC [+]	[17:23]
bitcoinpete	"US bank credit money supply growing at about $45bn/month currently, well offsetting the +-$7bn/month QE slowdown. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TOTBKCR" << bueno!	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	MichalisBTC is the bitcoin software guy I mentioned	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	from the ashes of Neo	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	benkay you around?	[17:24]
MichalisBTC	hehe yes indeed	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	MichalisBTC do you have a link for details on your plan?	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	or maybe share the website?	[17:25]
MichalisBTC	sure check it out, this is just to showcase projects cryptosysinc.com	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	my own goal is for you guys to put him through the wringer so as to temper (snuff?) his plans as appropriate	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	i am not particularly experienced or understanding of what he wants to offer	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	other than specialized bitcoin software for businesses	[17:26]
MichalisBTC	we are working on a new project, it's Blockchain as a Service. It's a friendly RESTful API that allows creating bitcoin apps...to put it in single sentence. with a lot of automations and event type notifications.	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	I met the Cryptosys guys last year, we broke bread, Danny proceeded to fuck them in the ass, etc	[17:27]
MichalisBTC	ass still hurts...	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	maybe we can talk about this Hearn as your technical advisor thing	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	why him? and what is he actually doing for you?	[17:29]
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MichalisBTC	Yes, we approached Mike because all our previous work was on bitcoinJ. BitcoinJ was designed to be a mobile client rather a backend server.However, the tools of the library are helpful and because we code in Java we decided to give it a shot. We broke it appart and used what was good for our purposes but as some point we wanted advise on how to proceed, so we thought to pass our plans	[17:32]
MichalisBTC	through the Man himself.	[17:32]
MichalisBTC	Really nice guy btw. We had a one hour skype video call and went over our designs. A few days ago we asked him if we appoint him as our advisor for the funding process and he was kind enough to accept.	[17:33]
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ThickAsThieves	my own personal observations of Hearn are mixed	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	he's obviously sharo	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	sharp	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	intelligent	[17:33]
Naphex	high scale services on spv?:(	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	but he takes some questionable positions on things	[17:34]
fluffypony	so is he a technical advisor in terms of checking your architecture and designs, or is he an advisor to the funding process/business proposal?	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	so i wouldnt rely on him for anything strategic or conceptual	[17:34]
MichalisBTC	technical advisor, our talks are strictly technical	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	Naphex care to dumb down your comment for me?	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	<+Naphex> high scale services on spv?:(	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	whats spv?	[17:35]
MichalisBTC	The space we are entering with "Blockchain as a Service" is kind of competing with blockchain.info, some features overlap. his advise on that was that indeed we need more of these type of SaaS to help the eco-system...	[17:35]
Naphex	ThickAsThieves: as in thin client, in bitcoinj	[17:36]
Naphex	https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Thin_Client_Security	[17:36]
Naphex	simple payment verification	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	was does this sadden you? weak security?	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	ah so clients that arent nodes	[17:37]
bitcoinpete	like multibit	[17:37]
ThickAsThieves	Michalis have you seen blockr.io ?	[17:37]
Naphex	any MITM will own the SPV's	[17:37]
MichalisBTC	no i haven't let me see	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	kakobrekla knows the blockr people	[17:38]
MichalisBTC	yes, similar to this	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	so, i'm not clear how making thin clients and acting like blockchain.info will make you money	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	do you have a full business plan?	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	or just the website content	[17:39]
Naphex	too me it just looks like products spinned off bitcoinj	[17:39]
MichalisBTC	well we are not making thin clients. Our customers will be those requesting software services. not the end users.	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	could you give a case of an ideal client?	[17:40]
MichalisBTC	i guess there are a number of ways to do this, we went with Java and bitcoinJ was of great help.	[17:40]
Naphex	MichalisBTC: so the clearing engine keeps the wallets, provides restful apis to the other products right?	[17:41]
Naphex	ThickAsThieves: run a full-node cluster, and get whatever data you need from there. use full nodes for payments, and multi-sig cold wallets for storage	[17:41]
MichalisBTC	FX companies that need to offer bitcoin clearing without us being in control of their bitcoin. Anyone who wishes to built a bitcoin app. We do the heavy lifting for them.	[17:42]
MichalisBTC	We will be also offering notifications (sms/email/callbacks) in realtime	[17:42]
Naphex	"	[17:43]
Naphex	The built in API allows to perform the following functions:	[17:43]
Naphex	A. Send bitcoins from master, customer, hot wallets.	[17:43]
Naphex	B. Get balance updates for any existing wallet under the control of the system.	[17:43]
Naphex	C. Create new customer wallet.	[17:43]
Naphex	D. Create hot wallets.	[17:43]
Naphex	E. Process large amount requests.	[17:43]
Naphex	"	[17:43]
Naphex	MichalisBTC: what does the secure architecture entail? what other security systems are in place, besides the GRE tunnel	[17:44]
Naphex	and locked down internet	[17:44]
Naphex	can i clean you out if i get access to the gre?	[17:44]
Naphex	All the private keys and wallet files are immediately backed up to multiple physical locations via encrypted tunnels. The keys and files are stored in an encrypted format on database which reside on encrypted partition file systems. Thus eliminating the possibility of stealing keys, even if hard drives from backup locations are stolen.	[17:45]
Naphex	where are the encryption keys kept?	[17:45]
MichalisBTC	We are not holding any funds for "Blockchain as a Service" and the only input in the system is the bitcoin netowork.	[17:45]
Naphex	MichalisBTC: bitcoin network, as in SPV BitcoinJ	[17:45]
Naphex	not a full verifying node yes?	[17:46]
MichalisBTC	However, on other implementation, where we did host wallets, we had clear separation of non critical servers with distributed security. And at the back end everything was separated with APIs.	[17:46]
Naphex	MichalisBTC: did the API's require signing? like HMAC?	[17:46]
MichalisBTC	also, on the complete from end we used custom proxies.	[17:46]
MichalisBTC	*front end	[17:47]
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MichalisBTC	for blockchain as a service we plan to use oauth, so yes	[17:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50579145 BTC [+]	[17:48]
punkman	MichalisBTC: why "as a service"? why not license the software that provices the convenient API for the blockchain?	[17:49]
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fluffypony	^^	[17:49]
punkman	*provides	[17:50]
fluffypony	less reputational risk as well, let the customer take ownership of their screw ups	[17:50]
MichalisBTC	we could license it, the main feature are the notifications. Business is to charge for the notifications, integration and support. Mainly because we will deal with businesses.	[17:50]
MichalisBTC	We are in Cyprus, low corporate tax attracts a lot of FX companies, who wish now to integrate bitcoin. Some list it already as CFDs, but they cannot clear bitcoin. We do the hard work for them, they are in control of the wallets. We are just the passthrough, offering a service.	[17:51]
MichalisBTC	fluffypony: yes, indeed	[17:52]
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Naphex	MichalisBTC: what is the hard work in clearing bitcoin?	[17:52]
punkman	what is "clearing bitcoin"?	[17:53]
Naphex	punkman: ok payment, at 3 confirmations. send clearence	[17:53]
Naphex	'here is your money, its good'	[17:53]
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Naphex	!up MichalisBTC	[17:54]
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Naphex	the weak point beeing any DDoS	[17:55]
Naphex	completly shutting down you're clearing node	[17:55]
Naphex	as we see every day with blockchain	[17:55]
Naphex	getting ddos'ed and cloudflare shutting down the API's	[17:55]
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gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None	[17:56]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 454.09, Best ask: 455.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.81000, Last trade: 454.09, 24 hour volume: 31575.48797401, 24 hour low: 438.05, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 467.11276242	[17:56]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00094255 / 0.00095081 / 0.00095978 (639879 shares, 608.41 BTC), 7D: 0.00094255 / 0.00097499 / 0.00101 (5908739 shares, 5,760.96 BTC), 30D: 0.00092844 / 0.00096165 / 0.00101 (21700966 shares, 20,868.83 BTC)	[17:56]
thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[17:56]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094843 BTC [+]	[17:56]
MichalisBTC	with our security design for the perimeter the worst thing that can happen to one of our satellite nodes is go out of service. But with a DDoS they cannot penetrate further than that.	[17:57]
MichalisBTC	but yes point being that the mid-tier business ie fx, don't have to worry about it. We do	[17:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 6 @ 0.14 = 0.84 BTC	[17:58]
Naphex	yeah but when ddos hits, and their customers can't deposit / withdraw, support phones and emails start burning	[17:58]
Naphex	why hasn't anyone implemented clearing notifications in BitcoinD Core ;o	[17:58]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust MichalisBTC	[17:58]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user MichalisBTC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=MichalisBTC \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MichalisBTC \| Rated since: never	[17:58]
thestringpuller	gtfo	[17:59]
thestringpuller	lol	[17:59]
Naphex	;;later tell Naphex fork BitcoinD, and implement clearing notifications via JSON-RPC	[17:59]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:59]
MichalisBTC	Naphex: yes, our nodes will not be publicly available. :) no notification in core	[17:59]
artifexd	Naphex: GRE tunnel? Wassat?	[18:01]
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Naphex	artifexd: VPN	[18:02]
artifexd	Why did you make the distinction? What's the difference?	[18:02]
artifexd	Nevermind. Found the rfc	[18:03]
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ThickAsThieves	MichalisBTC I'd recommend registering your name with nickserv, then signing up for the Bitcoin Web of Trust. These are some of the verification methods we live by and a great way to build your rep while establishing an identity.	[18:08]
MichalisBTC	Oks thx	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	people here can help with any aspects you are unclear on	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	it's a slow time of day here, so the more you're around the more you can float your questions and answer them	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	trust isnt built quickly in these parts	[18:10]
MichalisBTC	sure, and I also I would like to get more feedback on the project, give out more info	[18:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00435 = 0.261 BTC [-] {2}	[18:11]
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MichalisBTC	thanks for the intro! catch you later	[18:12]
Naphex	MichalisBTC: go core!:D	[18:12]
Naphex	:]	[18:12]
MichalisBTC	thanks much	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	so http://www.bitangels.co is still a thing huh	[18:12]
fluffypony	I would trust Naphex with my infrastructure	[18:12]
fluffypony	;;rate Naphex 1 knows his shiznat regarding infrastructure, architecture, and deployment. is probably a better developer than me to boot.	[18:13]
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Naphex	thq fluffypony	[18:13]
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fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: when are we starting BitDevils?	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	you have my attention :)	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	all we need is some handsome pictures of everyone in a suit or bitcoin t-shirt	[18:15]
fluffypony	yes	[18:15]
fluffypony	and we'll call it a "consulting service" for startups	[18:15]
fluffypony	where we play devils advocate to the ideas	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	no no	[18:16]
fluffypony	to help them refine it	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	incubator	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	the Devil's Nest	[18:16]
fluffypony	BitDevils - The Startup Womb	[18:16]
kakobrekla	sounds like s cheerleaders team	[18:17]
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ThickAsThieves	well yeah	[18:18]
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mrwdunne	Thank you jurov	[18:20]
mrwdunne	Anyhow, does anyone have any new questions re exchange?	[18:22]
Naphex	mrwdunne: will you have liquidity at launch?	[18:23]
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mrwdunne	Naphex: yes, we are selling in stages, at each stage we will sell the shares for more. Whatever we have left we will use to provide liquidity. However I think we will see a flood of people from the UK when we launch. Especially as the bank transfers are instant	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	you think youll get a flood of people on a new exchange?	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	how	[18:25]
mrwdunne	First in the UK to have access to UK banking. Immediate advantages to competitors	[18:26]
mrwdunne	(UK banking has free and instant transfers)	[18:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04233333 = 0.127 BTC [+] {3}	[18:27]
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mrwdunne	*immediate advantages over competitors	[18:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07179111 = 1.2922 BTC [+] {2}	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	mrwdunne srsly, it's not the first in any sense, forget about that angle.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	all it does is telegraph noobishness.	[18:28]
mrwdunne	mircea_popescu Which other ones are still running?	[18:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07198 = 1.0797 BTC [+]	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	so are you going to make the first roman empire, too ?	[18:29]
mrwdunne	True, first might be the wrong word. Regardless it is the only	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	why use either as a quality?	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	first, only, all bullshit	[18:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07198237 = 0.5759 BTC [+] {2}	[18:30]
mrwdunne	Only is not at all bullshit, although yes first is the wrong word	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	well only what?	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	being the only human on island doesnt make you valuable	[18:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00094843 = 3.3195 BTC [+]	[18:31]
mrwdunne	Only exchange with access to the UK banking network. That does make you valuable	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	mrwdunne only also telegraphs noobishness. you're too new in this game to know, but nothing is valuable in any market unless and until it has ocmpetitors.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	noob founders try to pitch onlyness to vcs all the time, innocent of the plain obvious fact that it's a disqualifier.	[18:32]
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mrwdunne	mircea_popescu I have read through your posts on bitcointalk already. You pitch that if someone is competent and the idea has potential that is what matters. I am the only person who has managed to get the account	[18:33]
mrwdunne	That is why no one else has done it	[18:33]
ThickAsThieves	i think you missed the points	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	mrwdunne i never posted on btctalk.	[18:33]
fluffypony	mrwdunne: every entrepreneur pitching a business says that their product is a special and unique snowflake the likes of which have not been seen from the beginning of time until now, no nor shall be seen again...that's not a compelling reason for customers to move en-masse to your exchange	[18:34]
mrwdunne	Offering free, instant bank transfers however is a reason to move en-masse. Being the only may not directly be the selling point, however that is a very valid advantage	[18:35]
mrwdunne	And mircea_popescu, sorry, I assumed this was you; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0	[18:35]
ThickAsThieves	i'll tell you, bank transfer fees are of little concern to notable buyers	[18:36]
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mircea_popescu	ever clicked on her signature ?	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	so i save $20	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	big deal	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	that doesnt erase that you are new	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	and of unknown reputation	[18:36]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves I agree, to significant buyers it is not an issue. However it is a significant advantage to significant amounts of smaller buyers.	[18:36]
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mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves reputation is something that can be earned	[18:37]
ThickAsThieves	have you earned it?	[18:37]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves No, not yet	[18:37]
ThickAsThieves	what makes a UK exchange ideal over an EU one?	[18:38]
ThickAsThieves	like why is yours better than say https://bitcoin-central.net/	[18:38]
kakobrekla	FCA :D	[18:38]
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mrwdunne	Free, instant bank transfers. Perfect regulatory environment for an exchange as there are no AML/KYC requirements.	[18:38]
mrwdunne	kakobrekla Yes, to a degree	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	Perfect regulatory environment for an exchange as there are no AML/KYC requirements.?	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	mrwdunne dude seriously. you've been running this for what, six weeks ?	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	none you acknowledge, or none that exist?	[18:39]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves None that exist	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	a perfect chair that's not been sat into is no sort of advantage. those things will count in five years.	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	so i can money launder at will in the UK?	[18:39]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves no you cannot. There are just no reporting requirements	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	fuck, even nefario had a "perfect" regulatory environment for an exchange	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	he said so, to people, at his lolconference	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	two weeks before obscurely shutting down.	[18:40]
mrwdunne	Nefario was a scammer, essentially	[18:40]
ThickAsThieves	whats the distinction, how does AML exist if it doesnt exist?	[18:40]
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mircea_popescu	mrwdunne he was an idiot, just like you are.	[18:40]
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Naphex	mrwdunne: before i got splitted, i asked what is your defense against bank fraud considering 'instant' bank transfers?	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	unlike you, he didn't have the benefit of -assets existing.	[18:41]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves it does not exist for bitcoin exchanges in the UK, according to the FCA. We have no legal obligation to collect identification (we will be, but not for small buyers)	[18:41]
fluffypony	lawl - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584283.0 - "Private message me if interested. Include in your message a personalized (custom) messaged signed from an address with at least $100,000 USD worth of bitcoins contained to prove qualification."	[18:41]
Naphex	as in hacked bank accounts, or clients wanting reversals because they inputed by mistake too many 0's	[18:41]
ThickAsThieves	you are not just a bitcoin exchange though	[18:41]
ThickAsThieves	you process cash too	[18:41]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves remarkably I have actually spoken with the FCA about this, as opposed to just reading their manuals.	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	did they provide anything in writing for you?	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	some kind of exemption or such?	[18:42]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves I have it in writing that they do not, and have no intention to regulate any bitcoin exchange	[18:43]
mrwdunne	Not an exemption	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	care to share?	[18:43]
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mrwdunne	This is already public knowledge, however I confirmed it with them. Hell I think coindesk did an article on it	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	so show me	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	i'm a noob	[18:44]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-regulation-uk/	[18:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.502 BTC [-]	[18:44]
mrwdunne	(That is not our private correspondence with them however)	[18:45]
ThickAsThieves	this is some bumfuck logic no? "However the FCA has not offered any constructive guidance or comment on the regulation of digital currencies. In fact, the FCA has gone as far as stating it does not regulate digital currencies and has no intention of doing so. The result is that bitcoin businesses in the UK are not obliged to register with or be authorised by the FCA."	[18:45]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves Sorry, I don't know what you mean by bumfuck logic	[18:46]
jurov	mrwdunne: but you are not bitcoin-only business	[18:46]
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mrwdunne	jurov We got further confirmation from them behind closed doors	[18:46]
jurov	you'll be holding your customer's pounds	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	the text specifies crypto itself	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	not the buying or selling of it for fiat	[18:47]
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mrwdunne	The article specifies crypto itself. We are not basing our compliance on an article	[18:47]
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ThickAsThieves	look at it from a real world view	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	can people launder money through your business?	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	50.02315578 << jd finally fixed itself!	[18:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07199807 = 0.72 BTC [+] {4}	[18:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001291 = 0.1291 BTC [-]	[18:47]
ThickAsThieves	(launder fiat, specifically)	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	pankkake btw, explain pif to me ?	[18:49]
mrwdunne	ThickAsThieves No, we will be complying with the KYC/AML laws regardless.	[18:49]
pankkake	it's just not investing	[18:49]
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jurov	recently there was this type of scam around: A buys from B something, B gives to A his exchange E's bank account	[18:49]
jurov	A then sends fiat to E, B exchanges them for bitcoins and vanishes without giving A anything	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	a just hold teh coins ?	[18:49]
jurov	A asks his bank to reverse payment.. what will you (E) do?	[18:50]
pankkake	yes :)	[18:50]
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mircea_popescu	lol cool.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	jurov recently in the sense of... since 2000 :)	[18:50]
mrwdunne	Jurov There are ways of ensuring deposits are not reversed.	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	panbankke	[18:50]
Naphex	jurov, asked that too.. even hacked bank accounts	[18:50]
ThickAsThieves	bankkake	[18:50]
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mircea_popescu	Naphex last numbers i've seen, about 85bn try to move through triangular transfers a year worldwide.	[18:51]
pankkake	I wonder what a bankkake would be…	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	about half manage to.	[18:51]
fluffypony	bank-bake	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	sperm bank obv	[18:51]
Naphex	!up mircea_popescu	[18:51]
assbot	Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.	[18:51]
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pankkake	nice	[18:51]
Naphex	!up mrwdunne	[18:51]
assbot	Voicing mrwdunne for 30 minutes.	[18:51]
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mrwdunne	Thank you Naphex	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	!down mircea_popescu	[18:52]
assbot	ThickAsThieves, you can't do that to mircea_popescu.	[18:52]
mike_c	!up mike_c	[18:52]
assbot	Really, mike_c?	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	but what CAN i do to mircea_popescu?	[18:52]
mike_c	ooh, assbot got brains now.	[18:52]
mike_c	!up ThickAsThieves	[18:52]
assbot	Voicing ThickAsThieves without time-limit.	[18:52]
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mike_c	!down ThickAsThieves	[18:52]
assbot	mike_c, you can't do that to ThickAsThieves.	[18:52]
mike_c	!kissmyass assbot	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	if tat were a girl it should say "munch munch munch"	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	mike_c here's the website for the software guys http://cryptosysinc.com/ (the printout i shared in Timis)	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	he was here earlier and will likely be back to hang out	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	hopefully wotted up and such	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	ciil	[18:54]
mike_c	site needs moar css	[18:54]
asciilifeform	java ?!	[18:54]
Naphex	java is good	[18:54]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: ikr	[18:55]
Naphex	a good tool :]	[18:55]
fluffypony	Naphex: a sledgehammer is an amazing tool, but you try cutting a medium-rare steak with it	[18:55]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:55]
mike_c	ThickAsThieves: it looks like they are in no way biting off too much ;)	[18:55]
Naphex	fluffypony: ofc same with everything :]	[18:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]	[18:56]
Naphex	but java gets you lots of bonuses early, when working on anything mid-size	[18:56]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony well if you flail it around fast enough you could generate enough plasma to cut a steak...	[18:56]
Naphex	speeds up development, keeps it tidy	[18:56]
fluffypony	hah hah	[18:56]
Naphex	you can JNI plug and do some C to make it faster	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	so what is this publicly traded corp you c'd for ?	[18:56]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: the Altech Group	[18:57]
fluffypony	http://www.altech.com	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	decimation: but the "recovery" is great guys, just some snow, no problems here << in fairness, they were overissuing	[18:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4819 @ 0.00094843 = 4.5705 BTC [+]	[18:58]
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mircea_popescu	hm. ATNP is atlantis	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	where is this listed, sa se ?	[18:58]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: JSE (Johannesburg Stock Exchange), which is our equivalent of the NYSE	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	JSE:ATNP allied ?	[18:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.59776300 BTC to 7`210 shares, 36030 satoshi per share	[19:00]
asciilifeform	looks like they make cable boxes.	[19:00]
fluffypony	ah - http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2013/08/21/altech-delists-from-jse-after-buyout-by-parent-altron	[19:00]
fluffypony	delisted now	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 61.04601580 BTC to 80`674 shares, 75670 satoshi per share	[19:01]
fluffypony	worst two years of my life, so much discord and backstabbing and dick-measuring among their management	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	seem to be on an acquisition spree now, and pumping per share earnings	[19:02]
fluffypony	they're always on an acquisition spree	[19:02]
fluffypony	they got lucky early on with a couple of smart acquisitions	[19:02]
fluffypony	which then funded every acquisition	[19:02]
fluffypony	so then they buy stupidly, and if a company gets folded into your division/company you're fucked trying to integrate staff that don't want to be there	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	so what's your name again ?	[19:03]
fluffypony	especially management staff that are defunct	[19:03]
fluffypony	Riccardo Spagni	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	nice to meet you.	[19:06]
fluffypony	:)	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0719999 = 0.144 BTC [+]	[19:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0719999 = 0.648 BTC [+]	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.070803 = 3.8942 BTC [-] {3}	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	lol family concern of the venters, 1k p/e	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	what sort of lolcompany is this	[19:14]
fluffypony	it's ridiculous, daddy is smart and started a company, and then basically gave his sons companies and shitloads of money	[19:14]
fluffypony	Altech is successful in spite of its CEO, not because of it	[19:15]
fluffypony	!voice mrstickball	[19:15]
fluffypony	!up mrstickball	[19:15]
assbot	Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.	[19:15]
fluffypony	that thing	[19:15]
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Blazedout419	sup mrstickball	[19:16]
Blazedout419	that is a good thing	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	so who replaced you ?	[19:16]
assbot	Insufficient rights, mrstickball, !up yourself on PM first.	[19:18]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: no clue, I left just before they folded Swistech into ISIS (Oct 2012), so whoever ended up managing that process would have been my replacement	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07066246 = 0.9186 BTC [-] {4}	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this added an obscure foreign lolcorp for my shortlist	[19:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03251 = 0.2601 BTC [+]	[19:20]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: shortlist of companies never to deal with or invest in? coz that's where they should be on:-P	[19:20]
Blazedout419	;;gettrust mrstickball	[19:20]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xhdulznzsjnbbbyc. Trust relationship from user Blazedout419 to user mrstickball: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Blazedout419&dest=mrstickball \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball \| Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013	[19:20]
mrwdunne	Is that the online store? The one that valued themselves at several million?	[19:20]
Blazedout419	I woud think you can !up your self?	[19:20]
mrwdunne	mrstickball It seemed like an interesting idea. But not worth close to that much	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony no, just to keep short positions in	[19:21]
fluffypony	ah ok	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	once mr w croaks that thing's gone.	[19:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0706 = 0.5648 BTC [-]	[19:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00094897 = 8.1611 BTC [+] {3}	[19:24]
assbot	Voicing mrwdunne for 30 minutes.	[19:25]
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mrwdunne	Thank you mrstick	[19:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}	[19:25]
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fluffypony	who is this minerpart cat?	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	unclear.	[19:27]
mrwdunne	No one who seems very significant at this point in time	[19:27]
jurov	!up chetty	[19:28]
assbot	Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.	[19:28]
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mrwdunne	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=148712 Reputation isn't very good	[19:29]
ozbot	Login	[19:29]
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mrwdunne	And mrstickball yes you can	[19:29]
mrwdunne	*yes I can	[19:29]
numerisTrade	hello	[19:29]
numerisTrade	do you have any experience with ititch.com (or can recommend any other bitcoin domain registrar)?	[19:29]
mrwdunne	namecheap.com is excellent numeristrade	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	or at least used to be. i dunno anyone used it itches thingee, so you get to be the first.	[19:30]
artifexd	When will trading of s.mpif begin?	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	prolly next week	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	the idea being that it'll have its first report before the 5th, and that'll allow a nav, and then it can trade.	[19:31]
artifexd	ty	[19:31]
numerisTrade	mircea_popescu, is there any domain registrar you can recommend? What is wrong with namecheap.com?	[19:31]
mike_c	piffy nav is ~250 btc?	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	they were really great, but recently did a dumbass websiute redesign breaking everything. i bitched about it, they fixed some things, what can i say. nothing good endures	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/ < the long version if you care.	[19:33]
ozbot	Namecheap goes off the deep end. Anyone know a decent domain registrar ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mir	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	mike_c should be about 200ish on start yes.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	numerisTrade anyway, definitely a better bet than godaddy, which is unequivocally atrocious. maybe enom if you have a direct contract with them.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	decimation: re: amazon, I've heard it's a tough life working there << but it's a large corp. of course they'd be managing the fuck out of all cost, neh ? afaik google is pretty much the only giant still trying to play the startup, otherwise even apple is bezos-ing it away.	[19:36]
bounce	http://mises.org/daily/2542 seems to say that the whole "unenforeable contracts" thing isn't that new	[19:36]
ozbot	The Enterprise of Customary Law - Bruce L. Benson - Mises Daily	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	The verdict is in, unless i'm ready to move to Romania, and/or MPEx blocks US customers, and/or I register as a broker/dealer with SEC, I must decline the MPIF mgr position due to legal concerns. Even then, it'd take a combination of those to have any remote chance of safety. :(	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	forward soviet!	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	i need to gtfo usg	[19:37]
numerisTrade	thank you, mircea_popescu, for link and help	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	:(	[19:37]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: move to South Africa	[19:37]
bounce	well, then gtfo usg	[19:38]
fluffypony	we basically have no laws of real worth, and those that could possible get in your way seem to disappear at the wiff of money	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	as an interesting aside, my lawyer, a former US Attorney, has expressed interest in coming here tp pick your brain MP	[19:38]
fluffypony	(not quite that bad, but it's a little wild-westish)	[19:38]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: get on the fscking plane.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves am i to charge him retainer ? :D	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	i told him "on YOUR time, not mine!"	[19:39]
bounce	isn't there a private jet thing for this sort of situation yet?	[19:39]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: optionally - on the boat.	[19:40]
bounce	slow boat out of america	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	who's the guy that crossed pacific in a barrel ?	[19:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07111 = 0.2133 BTC [+]	[19:40]
bounce	great opportunity to catch up with the reading. is a bit swamped	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	Super Mario?	[19:41]
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bounce	can't trust a thing that guy claims, he's clearly on shroomz	[19:41]
asciilifeform	my puny brain boggles at folks who can afford to rocket out and still don't	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	so anyone have any great leads on jobs in animal conservation in non-US countries?	[19:41]
bounce	"self preservation" ought to count gdr	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony should be able to hook you up	[19:42]
BingoBoingo	http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/25/1227204/hp-server-killer-firmware-update-on-the-loose	[19:42]
ozbot	HP Server Killer Firmware Update On the Loose - Slashdot	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	his blondy looks like she's doing lots of animal conservationing :D	[19:42]
fluffypony	lol	[19:42]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: yes, she can come here and look after our dogs, we have 6 of them	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:42]
fluffypony	seriously tho, there are a bunch of programs	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	more like saving rhinos and okapi	[19:42]
fluffypony	but they're pretty stupid because you pay them to be a volunteer worker	[19:43]
fluffypony	which seems insane	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	she actually works for one that runs the Okapi Conservation Project	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	except no way am i moving to the COngo	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck not ?	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	butt rape?	[19:43]
bounce	probably more effective to start a militia/hire a bunch of trigger happy goons/whatever and do some "long pig hunting" on poachers	[19:43]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: the Congo's a tough haul for a white guy	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	he's not white.	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	white enough	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	worse, i'm portuguese	[19:43]
Naphex	bbl	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	he's just shy. these are not the same :D	[19:43]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: anyone not tall, dark, and French speaking is white to them ;)	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	we raped africa plenty	[19:44]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves be a man, take the wife to the congo.	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	teh peer pressure in thizs place!	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	worst that can happen is you end up dead. which will happen anyway.	[19:45]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: in all seriousness, there are a number of really good programs out here that are always looking for help - I think I linked to these guys the other day, but in case not: http://www.jukani.co.za	[19:45]
asciilifeform	'coward dies a thousand deaths, brave man - one'	[19:45]
ThickAsThieves	luck can separate the brave from the fools	[19:45]
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mrwdunne	I think people prefer to live for longer though. Definitely go and do some charity in Africa though - its a great experience	[19:45]
moiety	mew	[19:46]
bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: hail!	[19:46]
ThickAsThieves	but yknow i will bring up visiting Africa	[19:46]
ThickAsThieves	does S Africa have MLAT with US?	[19:46]
moiety	so anyone have any great leads on jobs in animal conservation in non-US countries? << manuls obviously	[19:46]
fluffypony	mlat?	[19:46]
fluffypony	oh googled	[19:46]
bounce	depends on what you think is "charity". plenty of the oh-so-selfless white influence hasn't done the continent a bit of good	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you don't bring it up. you go home and say "woman, we're leaving for the congo. pack stockings and tank tops, and read up on slim's guide to cook for bogart"	[19:47]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/124466.pdf	[19:47]
fluffypony	so it would seem	[19:47]
ThickAsThieves	these USGs be so insidious	[19:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07031794 = 0.7032 BTC [-]	[19:47]
ThickAsThieves	mp, to say as much would be to decide whether divorce is the answer	[19:48]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: stay in usa - and perhaps we'll meet in our common gasenwagen.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves women have this endless capacity to pleasantly surprise.	[19:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711095 = 0.1422 BTC [+] {2}	[19:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00094958 = 2.9437 BTC [+]	[19:48]
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moiety	finally, someone noticed!	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	i knew it all along kitten.	[19:49]
fluffypony	looks like there's mutual extradition in place, but that they've refused to extradite before for a guy that could possibly have received the death penalty	[19:49]
fluffypony	"This infringed Mohamed's rights to human dignity, to life, and not to be punished in a cruel, inhuman or degrading manner. The Constitutional Court concluded that the handing over of Mohamed to the US government was unlawful"	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony i wonder how much that cost.	[19:49]
fluffypony	lol	[19:50]
mrwdunne	What charges were they extraditing him on?	[19:50]
asciilifeform	russia doesn't extradite (anybody) but you might have other problems (Have Problems (TM)) there.	[19:50]
fluffypony	"Mohamed, a Tanzanian national, fled to South Africa after his involvement in the 1998 bombing of the US embassy in Dar-es-Salaam."	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	so they have an agreement, which they can't use to extradite terrorists ?	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	whoa how very fart reaching.	[19:51]
fluffypony	pretty much	[19:51]
mrwdunne	US doesn't have a very good track record when it comes to human rights and terrorism. Their judgement was probably the correct one	[19:51]
moiety	mircea_popescu: totally forgot i was due you cookies http://i.imgur.com/rswbqJI.jpg	[19:51]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: before you move setup a fake murder in the US, and then if they try extradite you you can just claim that the death penalty is a possibility	[19:51]
fluffypony	problem solved	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	ahahah bears.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony you are clearly well qualified to give legal advice :D	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	thats some fucked up legal system	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	incentive to terrorize	[19:52]
moiety	:D yeah i havent found a manul cutter yet -- epic job for a 3D printer i reckon	[19:52]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: clearly :-P	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	now who was i owing cookies to ? benkay ? kakobrekla ?	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	mike ain't getting one, he's rotund as it is.	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	davout	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i don't trust davout. his girl only rated him a 3.	[19:53]
ThickAsThieves	mike aint rotund, he just has a jolly face	[19:53]
kakobrekla	not that id get any, but i dont like cookies :(	[19:53]
moiety	you'll be needing more then http://i.imgur.com/jKKEEjY.jpg these are actually shortbread mid-sugaring	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla well we're all out of tits.	[19:53]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: ianal, but is owning foreign stock actually banned in usa?	[19:53]
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mircea_popescu	!up quantyfikator	[19:53]
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kakobrekla	asciilifeform arent you getting out?	[19:53]
ThickAsThieves	asciilifeform, no thats not the issue	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	but	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	you are obligated to report any foreign account with more than $10k	[19:54]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: i'd -like- to get out. that's quite different from actually escaping.	[19:54]
chetty	you can run but cannot hide	[19:54]
moiety	kakobrekla: i'll make savoury ones for you	[19:55]
benkay	mircea_popescu: i already got my cookie. but it was a different cookie.	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	ascii with your brains and my tongue we could surive easily in any place	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	thats sounds dirty	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:55]
asciilifeform	chetty: reminiscent of traditional american saying: 'don't run from a sniper, you'll just die tired'	[19:55]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform working on it or only wishing ?	[19:55]
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mircea_popescu	benkay nookie == cookie ?	[19:56]
moiety	vagina == cookie	[19:56]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: you saw some of the work. so decide for yourself.	[19:56]
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mike_c	rotund! perhaps, but i am also strong like bull. all you scrawny europeans couldn't bench press a girl.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i could benchpress any girl i;d care to fuck.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	i know this, because... guess.	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	you fuck only men?	[19:57]
mike_c	that's like short guys saying they don't like tall women. very self serving.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	mike_c that's my middle name, m self serving p.	[19:57]
benkay	what's the middle name in a four name name? lol	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:59]
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mircea_popescu	!up chetty	[19:59]
assbot	Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.	[19:59]
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chetty	ty	[19:59]
benkay	http://letstalkbitcoin.com/maidsafe-wildly-successful-crypto-crowdsale-debacle/ << scammers accept mastercoin and bitcoin hoping mastercoin's too derpy for people to use, end up getting all msc go 'no no no you see we actually want your btc'	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	i quote, " well you be glad to hear we're finally back to active programing on eulora - but right now need to hit the store for weekend supplies of milk and coffee - back in a bit"	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	figure you folks prolly care too!	[19:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07031794 = 0.7735 BTC [-] {2}	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	benkay lmao	[20:00]
asciilifeform	squadron of coffee to program converters?	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07 = 1.26 BTC [-] {3}	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	“I think it’s a really interesting area," Cook said. "We have almost 800 million iTunes accounts and the majority of those have credit cards behind them. We already have people using Touch ID to buy things across our store, so it’s an area of interest to us. And it’s an area where nobody has figured it out yet.	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	"I realize that there are some companies playing in it, but you still have a wallet in your back pocket and I do too which probably means it hasn’t been figured out just yet.” ~Tim Cook	[20:01]
benkay	why weren't they converting coffee to program in the first place, mircea_popescu ?	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	milk is probably for enticing manuls or something	[20:01]
asciilifeform	in argentina, there is 'pampas cat' instead	[20:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19769 @ 0.00094804 = 18.7418 BTC [-]	[20:02]
asciilifeform	very similar-looking beast	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there is, but moiety will never get to know.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	;;google pampas cat	[20:02]
gribble	Pampas cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Pampas Cat Facts - Big Cat Rescue: ; Pampas cat videos, photos and facts - Leopardus colocolo \| ARKive:	[20:02]
asciilifeform	moiety could also escape, meet pampas cat.	[20:02]
benkay	taleb's on a roll right now << link?	[20:02]
moiety	i like them too! they have stripy legs!	[20:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.0001291 = 1.1619 BTC [-]	[20:03]
moiety	this is actually what got me thinking on expanding to a felinae site	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	ima pay 1 btc to taleb and 1 btc to whoever gets him to come here.	[20:03]
asciilifeform	;;google colocolo cat	[20:03]
gribble	Colocolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Pampas cat videos, photos and facts - Leopardus colocolo \| ARKive: ; Leopardus colocolo (Chilean Pampa Cat, Pampas Cat):	[20:03]
bitcoinpete	benkay: same as the one posted the last few times in here: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm	[20:03]
benkay	bitcoinpete: that's the footnotes to FBR?	[20:04]
benkay	(those're)	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	also in s.mpif news : juraj whom you know as jurov has accepted to take over pc #5.	[20:04]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: un défi!	[20:05]
moiety	do you get crazy [wild]cat ladies? if so, i need a tshirt	[20:05]
bitcoinpete	benkay: the notebook is like his blog, a running tally	[20:05]
benkay	;;later tell ThickAsThieves may i help you, sir?	[20:05]
ThickAsThieves	grats jurov	[20:05]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:05]
benkay	;;later tell ThickAsThieves ah i see you wanted me to talk to MichalisBTC?	[20:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	he'll be back probly	[20:06]
bitcoinpete	jurov: indeed, best of luck!	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	but the website link is there	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	"44% of Americans are living with less than $5,887 in savings for a family of four" << fun fact ? most romanians own more than that.	[20:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12201 @ 0.00094552 = 11.5363 BTC [-] {3}	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	so, i stopped by the doc today had my blood pressure measured. anyone care to guess ?	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	(as a bonus hint, before retiring a good decade ago, i was doing something like 240/160)	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	lol j	[20:17]
fluffypony	;;later tell davout just in case you have't seen this - http://www.pfhub.com/report-revenue-from-bitcoin-must-be-declared-to-french-authorities-602/	[20:17]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:17]
BingoBoingo	135/90	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	dude the sa crew is actually doing a splendid job raping teh tardtalk forums	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo 130/90, you take the cake.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve: this place is becoming a real Dragon's Den, I'm thinking of writing something to that effect << by all means. maybe get nubbins to draw us all as pony dragons.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	;;seen nubbins	[20:20]
gribble	I have not seen nubbins.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	;;seen nubbins`	[20:20]
gribble	nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 18 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: you will need it if you don't want to have to download a client and python every time you boot	[20:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00094751 = 4.5007 BTC [+]	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	omfg our untalented drawer / sausage maker guy is gone! WHERE!	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	Fell into sausage grinder with nailgun?	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	come back nubsy we need ourselves drawn as flying dragon princesses	[20:20]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: which SA crew?	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony not sa as in south africa, sa as in something awful	[20:21]
fluffypony	oh lol	[20:21]
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mircea_popescu	which admittedly is an easy enough mistake to make.	[20:21]
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mircea_popescu	!up veeminer	[20:23]
assbot	Voicing veeminer for 30 minutes.	[20:23]
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ThickAsThieves	Java updates are a scam: yes/no	[20:24]
BingoBoingo	yes	[20:24]
fluffypony	yes	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	seems they are just veiled ads	[20:25]
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ThickAsThieves	and/or reports to the mothership	[20:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16563 @ 0.00094834 = 15.7074 BTC [+] {2}	[20:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+]	[20:25]
fluffypony	I hate having to even have Java installed, but SuperMicro's IPMI requires it for remote console	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony REFLASH IT	[20:26]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: is there a non-Java IPMI bios available for their boards?	[20:26]
fluffypony	coz that shit irks me more than NameCheap's new design	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	nothing os afaik	[20:28]
fluffypony	leu sigh	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	they use what, vnc ?	[20:29]
fluffypony	I have nfi	[20:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0711097 = 0.4978 BTC [-] {3}	[20:29]
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fluffypony	"The underlying protocol seems to be VNC, but with a different authentication scheme, making standard VNC clients useless. (Also it appears to be an OEM version of ATENs KVM/VNC stuff.)"	[20:29]
jurov	just use openjdk	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	what the hell useless. have your wizard rewrite the auth scheme	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	bs auth in-house giga scheme anyway, prolly more broken than a 50yo whore.	[20:31]
fluffypony	jurov: yeah I may just do that	[20:31]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I think there are tons of undiscovered issues with all this non-standard IPMI shit, I'm waiting for something major to hit any time soon	[20:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.508535 = 1.0171 BTC [+]	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	kinda why you have to have homebrew	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	for these sorts of shit.	[20:32]
fluffypony	yerp	[20:33]
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veeminer	mircea_popescu: what?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	going through the londerfull log of this mrwdune dood. did he at least have the sense to locate in Guernsey ?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	!up heretostay	[20:35]
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mircea_popescu	veeminer sorry, what what ?	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	in the butt	[20:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51199997 BTC [+]	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: how your software will handle large volumes << that's the funniest thing i read today.	[20:37]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: well the point being that he has to have some more details on the proposal other than "money plz, will spend on sekuriteez and kode"	[20:38]
fluffypony	"and data center"	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	no i know, but ...	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	you know.	[20:39]
BingoBoingo	http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/which-states-hate-themselves-the-most-1567602325/+reubenfb	[20:39]
fluffypony	I know	[20:39]
ozbot	Which States Hate Themselves The Most?	[20:39]
fluffypony	he could probably do it in PHP for the volume he's going to get	[20:39]
fluffypony	:-P	[20:39]
jurov	;;bc,tslb	[20:40]
gribble	Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command.	[20:40]
jurov	;;tslb	[20:40]
gribble	Time since last block: 38 minutes and 40 seconds	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo did they leave out ny or am i blind	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	41%	[20:41]
BingoBoingo	Blind, New York was a 41%	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	Montana and Alaska at 77%	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	aok	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	Illinois at 19%	[20:42]
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ThickAsThieves	they just miss Obama	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	lol counterparty.co srsly ? "pls to trade your bitcoinz for very valuable xcp"	[20:46]
BingoBoingo	Chicago dragging down the good middle of nowhere we have	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	https://forums.counterparty.co/index.php/topic,289.msg2078	[20:47]
ozbot	4/23 - URGENT COUNTERWALLET.CO SECURITY NOTICE	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	What Happened	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	Due in part to this process, we have been notified of a security bug in bitcoinjs-lib (the bitcoin javascript library counterwallet uses) that was internally disclosed to us by the bitcoinjs-lib team yesterday evening. We worked with them on applying a fix, which was made live late last night and this security notice was drafted pending confirmation from the team. However it appears the bug has already been exploited i	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	n the wild to take BTC.	[20:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50200001 = 1.004 BTC [-]	[20:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 227 @ 0.0044 = 0.9988 BTC [-] {3}	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	somehow i seem to have missed this ? did bitcoinjs announce something ?	[20:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50200001 BTC [-]	[20:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 113 @ 0.0044 = 0.4972 BTC [-]	[20:48]
fluffypony	LOL	[20:48]
fluffypony	what a fail	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	wait, there's more.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	"After scoring a major grant awarded by the Bitcoin Foundation, Coinpunk’s beta version is finally available. The project, which is being developed by the veteran startup founder Kyle Drake, intends to build the first fully open-source, self-hosted do-it-yourself Bitcoin wallet service that you can run on your own server."	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	"To reward the work of the developers, Drake is “offering three bounties of 0.20 BTC each for anyone that finds and fixes (via pull request) any bugs/code issues that potentially cause wallet data loss, a major security bug in the Coinpunk wallet code (coinpunk/models/wallet.js), bitcoinjs-lib, or in the random number generation code”."	[20:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6041 @ 0.00094962 = 5.7367 BTC [+]	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	the... wait for it... the random number generation code.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	can i get a cup of coffee now ?	[20:50]
fluffypony	oh I saw that - it's a web wallet that you host yourself, because that seems like a great idea	[20:50]
fluffypony	because statistically speaking people know how to secure shitty/cheap VPS instances	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	Now selling random numbers, .01 btc each!	[20:50]
jurov	it's a "wiggle mouse here" kind?	[20:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50200001 BTC [-]	[20:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.0044 = 0.4928 BTC [-] {3}	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, anyone heard of this major bitcoinjs-lib hole ?	[20:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.0044 = 0.3124 BTC [-] {3}	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	(incidentally, the rng of the java thing is particularly atrocious. piuk (blockchaininfo) made some fixes on a fork)	[20:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.502 = 1.004 BTC [-]	[20:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 327 @ 0.0044 = 1.4388 BTC [-] {4}	[20:53]
jurov	;;tslb	[20:54]
gribble	Time since last block: 53 minutes and 9 seconds	[20:54]
jurov	zactly when i need it	[20:55]
asciilifeform	jurov: re: bots - consider some simple examples, you can probably think of	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	record	[20:55]
jurov	i did think of, and made countermeasures when i ran mine	[20:55]
jurov	but did not try to actively exploit	[20:56]
asciilifeform	jurov: e.g. if you can figure out that mr. whale runs bot with 'stop loss' at $x/btc, you can estimate resulting price move, effect on other such machines	[20:56]
asciilifeform	no rocket surgery, this	[20:56]
jurov	okay	[20:57]
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asciilifeform	jurov: at the time i simply itched to write 'something with ai' that 'could money'	[20:58]
Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0USm3AilHiU - good tune to start your fridays ;]	[20:59]
ozbot	ZHU - Moves Like Ms. Jackson (Outkast Cover) - YouTube	[20:59]
moiety	coz that shit irks me more than NameCheap's new design << dude, glad it's not just me. i seriously thought i'd gone to the wrong place for a second	[21:01]
kakobrekla	did you try it live ascii?	[21:01]
Blazedout419	ebay	[21:01]
Blazedout419	woops wrong windows	[21:01]
fluffypony	moiety: their old interface wasn't pretty, but I'm buying a domain...I wouldn't mind an ncurses interface if it worked well	[21:02]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: tried it on recorded data stream from 'btc-e'. 'won' on some segments, lost on others. then mp gave me a demo account on mpex, where bots do no good, and i lost interest	[21:02]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: if you actually find this interesting, i can say more	[21:02]
asciilifeform	i sort of assumed that everybody here had tried their hand at such things personally	[21:03]
moiety	fluffypony: it now looks like a hipster site of some sort	[21:03]
kakobrekla	yes continiue	[21:03]
moiety	fluffypony: oh and i dont mind what the site is like, as long as it isn't godaddy tbf	[21:03]
fluffypony	moiety: yeah, until you need to manage a domain, then you have the old interface iframe'd in to the Hipster Header	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	^	[21:04]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: i concluded that one could actually do an interesting 'predator bot' if it has a heavy bag of coin to 'shake around' and cause (however small) price moves on demand.	[21:04]
kakobrekla	well i did have some robots on btcusd back in the day but prolly nothing as sophisticated as you	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony really they backed off over twitter threats and general discontent	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	you should have seen the original version	[21:04]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: perhaps i'll test this hypothesis one day. right after my nuke sub, etc.	[21:04]
moiety	i actually have hosting with namecheap D:	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform trader experience is that any strategy that starts with "if you had a lot of money" is a loser.	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	^	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	this is counter-intuitive perhaps, but quite true	[21:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i believe it. notice i've no truck with any such thing at present.	[21:05]
fluffypony	moiety: I have a VPS with them that runs an Electrum server, and then all my international (non-.co.za) domains are with them	[21:05]
asciilifeform	don't recall how it came up.	[21:05]
kakobrekla	well with inifinite moneey theres no issue for sure	[21:05]
fluffypony	except for a handful of domain hacks for TLDs they don't offer	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	yeah. the master model of the preoblem is "cornering X market", such as the 5 i think to date attempts on silver/gold	[21:05]
asciilifeform	the point wasn't to merely 'with enough money' but specific target - dumb bots	[21:05]
moiety	when they opened up a uk data centre, they gave too good a deal. what i dont like is the hoops you have to jump through to get ssh access fluffypony	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	the copper pair and so forth	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	it NEVER works. it always seems like it just might.	[21:06]
fluffypony	moiety: is that for shared hosting or a VPS?	[21:06]
asciilifeform	i don't for a minute imagine it'd work against humans	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no but that's always what it is, "dumb x". the mkt isnt dumb	[21:06]
moiety	just shared, im not in anyway ready for vps type affairs fluffypony XD im just getting to grips with ssh!	[21:06]
asciilifeform	i originally had the thought when noticing a proliferation of particularly dumb bots running on gox etc	[21:06]
fluffypony	ah ok ok :)	[21:06]
asciilifeform	many, with published source	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform from a mathematical standpoint : the most important quality of markets is that you can't isolate participants.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	a very sorry sight, all of them	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	but yeah i remember that bs.	[21:07]
moiety	believe me when i have anything worth showing i'll be begging you all to take a tour :D (just be dont make me cry if im super proud!)	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	this was how mtgox managed to lose daytrading.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	in some particular cases (online poker table) you can in fact isolate the idiots (at least, long enough to squeeze juice)	[21:07]
asciilifeform	the idea was to engineer such a case	[21:07]
asciilifeform	but this is boring story.	[21:08]
kakobrekla	its impossible for me to do buy/sell bot on btc, im stuck in bull mode since ever, so my only game was straight forward arb	[21:08]
asciilifeform	i only tell it because i was foolish enough to mention it once here, and then kako asked 'how did it end'	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	anyone remember https://blockchain.info/address/1HKywxiL4JziqXrzLKhmB6a74ma6kxbSDj btw ?	[21:08]
kakobrekla	yeah blame it on kako	[21:09]
asciilifeform	lol	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla means "that's who she blamed" in slovenlyan right ?	[21:09]
kakobrekla	thats who she slandered	[21:09]
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kakobrekla	whats that addy ?	[21:10]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: the Android Java RNG hack	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla remember the android hole last year ?	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	aye.	[21:10]
kakobrekla	the random() return 4; ?	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49907271 BTC [-]	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03154 = 0.1577 BTC [-] {2}	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0075 = 3 BTC [+]	[21:12]
kakobrekla	the damage is rather small	[21:12]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla: aye, and duplicate signature nonces, and the obvious consequences	[21:12]
kakobrekla	myea	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	MrWDunne: Also the actual business plan is a 25 page PDF << i like this part best so far.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	re: IPMI: lol let's put a piece of remote-controlled strange on the system bus.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	gonna be great.	[21:13]
kakobrekla	i parsed it as "25 kg PDF" for some reason	[21:14]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: yeah I know, but it's better than our dedicated box at a DC here where I have to log a fault and they send an engineer out to press enter on the keyboard because it's stuck at the grub screen	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	is it better for the pdf to be heavy or long ?	[21:14]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: i'm one of those weirdos who likes to print docs (mainly chip datashits) and has encountered 25kg pdfs.	[21:14]
kakobrekla	:D	[21:15]
fluffypony	I think it's important for PDFs to have images that haven't been compressed or resampled, because you really want that small logo at the top left to be a 2.5mb PNG	[21:15]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: an ordinary 'ip kvm' solves this	[21:15]
asciilifeform	the people pushing crap like ipmi have other motivations.	[21:15]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: agreed	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmFYGWkCMAE8CK6.jpg	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	russians caged like animals. art project.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	fucking losers these kids. if i were 20 and doing a lulzy project like that, the russki'd be naked.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	lel	[21:17]
asciilifeform	'djvu' is better format for scans, anyway	[21:17]
asciilifeform	1/20th the size & rendering time	[21:17]
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asciilifeform	a little like the diff. between 'mp3' and 'wav'	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	so romania has a large lawyer's forum, where pretty much everyone that's not fucktarded in the profession has an account. think fuckedcompany, except for lawyers.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	http://www.avocatnet.ro/content/forum%7CdisplayTopicPage/topicID_423694/Vanzare-papagal-pentru-o-partida-de-sex-Cum-recuperez-pasarea.html	[21:19]
ozbot	Vanzare papagal pentru o partida de sex Cum recuperez pasarea? Pagina 1 - Forum, Avocatnet.ro	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	people ask for free advice all the time. some of the shit's pretty weird.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	this guy threw a party, asked a girl to sleep with him, she said she'll do it if he's "generous"	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	except, she wants no money, he wants is macaw	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	so he gives it to her.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	then, the next day, guy realises that the bird costs 2500 euro and besides, he had it since it was a chick and htey had a special relationship	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	so... can he sue ? should he report her for prostitution ? is there some fruits of the poisonous tree doctrine ?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	hilarity ensues.	[21:21]
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asciilifeform	sounds more like 'enjo kosai' than prostitution	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	he's got nothing there, nobody ever granted a cause for anything but the most outrageous streetwalking.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	prostitution is , in the romanian legal tradition, a part of the creating a public disturbance/being a bum area.	[21:23]
asciilifeform	in english world, 'soliciting'	[21:24]
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mircea_popescu	"soliciting while being poor, unpleasant and unattractive, in a loud and obnoxious manner"	[21:24]
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asciilifeform	how else could it work.	[21:25]
asciilifeform	'... for if it prospers, none dare call it treason' etc	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	i guyess	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, the us is no longer sane, so one feels bound to insist.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	wait this was in us?	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	no no but you are :D	[21:27]
asciilifeform	lol	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	btw, anyone here with a lot of insurance experience or connections ?	[21:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00094962 = 6.4574 BTC [+]	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/17407-nra-to-push-national-reciprocity-for-concealed-carry-permit-holders?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter	[21:34]
ozbot	NRA to push national reciprocity for concealed carry permit holders \| United Liberty \| Free Market -	[21:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this has been an 'any day now' thing forever.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	hey, if fags can be married everywhere regardless whether they married, why shouldn't rednecks carry wherever they go.	[21:34]
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mircea_popescu	the strat is sound, that's how you push it.	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01963/breast_1963596a.jpg	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	http://pagesix.com/2014/04/24/warren-buffet-ordered-dairy-queen-a-coke-at-four-seasons/	[21:36]
ozbot	Warren Buffet ordered Dairy Queen, a coke at Four Seasons \| Page Six	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	i swear to god i'd have kicked him out.	[21:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.0009503 = 1.3304 BTC [+]	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves looks like the right tit for the job.	[21:36]
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ThickAsThieves	"Sharon Spink is used to turning heads when she breastfeeds her daughter in public." lol	[21:37]
asciilifeform	'buffet drinks the same coke as the beggar drinks' - literally true	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	sharon spink soulds like a super villain name	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	her power could be... i dunno, snatch.	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	buffet resorts to shilling, another sign it's over	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	The ketchup on my kobe better be Heinz!	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves prolly just codgery.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	Meanwhile, “pretty young things swarmed Warren as soon he walked through the doors, asking to have photos taken with him,” said one observer. “He graciously did it. A few people asked him to open his wallet in the picture. Oddly enough, he did this too.” According to the onlooker, Buffett had “just a few dollars in his wallet.” The source added, “He’s more popular than the Dalai Lama!”	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	jesus these people.	[21:40]
kakobrekla	whats wrong with coke, its got sugar, caffeine and co2, all the bad shit you can have in one bottle	[21:40]
kakobrekla	the poison of choice	[21:40]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: what in actual...eugh...	[21:40]
fluffypony	remind me never to click on breast.jpg links from TAT	[21:41]
kakobrekla	i dun get the hate	[21:41]
kakobrekla	maybe because ima beggar .	[21:42]
ThickAsThieves	lil girl was thirsty, dont judge	[21:42]
jurov	be glad WB did not order frappucino	[21:44]
fluffypony	jurov: thus secretly revealing himself to be Karpeles' father?	[21:44]
fluffypony	s/father/grandfather	[21:44]
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mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/TrZeKFXs << is this fud ?	[21:45]
ozbot	"About a week ago some colleagues and I discovered a set of x509 certificates wh - Pastebin.com	[21:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00094933 = 4.3669 BTC [-] {2}	[21:45]
BingoBoingo	Hmmm... Who has windows?	[21:46]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: I have an XP VM I can fire up	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	i don't have samples.	[21:46]
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asciilifeform	'nsakey'	[21:46]
fluffypony	oh XP is negative	[21:47]
fluffypony	nm	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	i have some windows systems, but none are fresh	[21:47]
asciilifeform	first catch loch ness monster, then consider how to skin & stuff her.	[21:48]
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ThickAsThieves	so ive had solar power for 3 days now, they come to collect check for install and say, hey yknow you should shut this off, because the new meter isnt installed by power co, it's actually making the count go up not down	[21:51]
ThickAsThieves	so basically i'm gonna be billed for like 400kw of power i gave to elec co	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	wait you made 400kw in 3 days ?!	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	where the fuck do you live, the pentagon ?	[21:52]
ThickAsThieves	340m i just checked it	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	340kwh	[21:53]
asciilifeform	let me guess, heat pump.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	wtf.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 340 / 3 / 24	[21:53]
gribble	4.72222222222	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	5kW installed ?	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	we have 38 units on the roof	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	10k system	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	hey... more power to you.	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	he says itll perform closer to 9	[21:53]
ThickAsThieves	per mo	[21:54]
jurov	i'd not use 24 hours in solar panel calculations	[21:54]
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ThickAsThieves	no one would	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	moonlight!	[21:54]
ThickAsThieves	oh you did	[21:54]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:54]
asciilifeform	nah he's got an antipodal cable & 2nd set.	[21:55]
fluffypony	lol	[21:55]
fluffypony	that's how he gets news about China first?	[21:55]
fluffypony	best tin can phone ever	[21:56]
ThickAsThieves	guess how much the sys cost	[21:56]
ThickAsThieves	including hybrid water heater (not solar)	[21:56]
ThickAsThieves	$14k	[21:56]
ThickAsThieves	thank you obama	[21:56]
asciilifeform	gov.-subsidized, ah	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	lmao the derpage.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	http://3w.blogidol.ro/2014/04/dmca-takedownvali-petcu-aka-zoso.html	[21:56]
ozbot	DMCA takedown–Vali Petcu aka Zoso \| Blog Idol ro	[21:57]
fluffypony	wow, ThickAsThieves we'd pay $37k-ish for that here	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	tl;dr : blogger butthurt over blogger.com having deleted some pix off his blog. turns out... he had stolen them from some guy who had stolen them from trilema	[21:57]
ThickAsThieves	yeah it's $44k before rebates and shit	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves pretty sweet deal. i'd drop 15k on a 10kW solar system.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	how much roof you got ? do they use all or just half ?	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	half	[21:58]
fluffypony	likewise, in a heartbeat	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	i was like i want more panelz!	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	what surface ?	[21:58]
moiety	that blogger is ridiculous btw	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	?	[21:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: betcha you could buy a soviet rtg pod for <$10k	[21:58]
ThickAsThieves	facing east and south	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what surface is your roof	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	like, in sq fett	[21:59]
ThickAsThieves	no idea	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	zese marketing ppls.	[21:59]
ThickAsThieves	house is like 2700 sq ft if you incl garage	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	you live there! a ok so like 5k	[21:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.0009503 = 8.3626 BTC [+]	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	pretty sweet.	[22:00]
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mircea_popescu	they got a similar system here but it dopesn't cover 2/3 of the cost, more like 1/3, and the red tape is beyond obnoxious.	[22:00]
ThickAsThieves	the install co handled all red tape	[22:01]
ThickAsThieves	it's some kinda lottery thing	[22:01]
ThickAsThieves	where they have to bombard th computer system when lottery goes live	[22:01]
ThickAsThieves	we were like 8th on waiting list, which is basically a shoe-in	[22:01]
kakobrekla	actually a 50kw solar plat that i know of comes online with just over 50w on a clear night	[22:02]
kakobrekla	also moon.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	:D	[22:03]
dooglus	https://just-dice.com/mpif tells you the current S.MPIF JD investment size	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	dooglus ah now that's some sweet coding	[22:03]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: probably more from light pollution (city lights reflected down)	[22:03]
kakobrekla	no no asci its from the moonž	[22:03]
kakobrekla	-ž	[22:03]
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ThickAsThieves	dat jf mpif manager has great performance	[22:05]
ThickAsThieves	jd*	[22:06]
ThickAsThieves	give him a raise	[22:06]
fluffypony	dooglus: moiety would love if that had a responsive hipster layout with lots of CSS and jQuery	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	dooglus now if only cloudflare didn't redirect me to root	[22:06]
ThickAsThieves	install a button that let;s you up the font size too	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	50.23890514 so wait omfg, this is up... 0.4% ?	[22:07]
Duffer1	ctrl + mousewheel TaT	[22:07]
ThickAsThieves	tis a jok	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	we haven't even started yet o.O	[22:07]
Duffer1	oh	[22:07]
ThickAsThieves	that's 146%/year!	[22:07]
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ThickAsThieves	buy buy buy	[22:07]
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kakobrekla	i thought this was gonna be a competition.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	;;calc ((0.23890514/50)+1)**365	[22:08]
gribble	5.69651294191	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	469% even	[22:08]
jurov	much extrapolate	[22:09]
jurov	wow	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/23/Why-my-daughter-doesn-t-recycle-an-economics-professor-s-letter-to-his-child-s-teacher	[22:09]
ozbot	'Why my daughter doesn't recycle': an economics professor's letter to his child's teacher	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	jurov CLEARLY ITS A GOLF CLUB PATTERN	[22:09]
mike_c	yes.. and if cloudflare didn't prevent me from getting it through code. gotta love cloudflare.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	dooglus do you have assbot ip whitelisted ?	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	mebbe kakobrekla adds it to !jd command	[22:10]
mike_c	similarly https://just-dice.com/wagered.txt is not accessible from scripts.	[22:10]
mike_c	which is annoying for people trying to automatically genrate statistics to report on such things :)	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:11]
Naphex	cloudflare sucks	[22:11]
Naphex	why are people still using it	[22:11]
kakobrekla	assbot is whitelisted for the general stats, i dont know if that coveres the new link	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	dooglus mike_c runs http://www.btcalpha.com/ prolly want to be on his good side :p	[22:11]
mike_c	he is, as he was very helpful when i was writing up the original post on JD. but easier access to stats would be nice.	[22:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.0009503 = 0.8078 BTC [+]	[22:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095057 = 3.5646 BTC [+] {2}	[22:14]
Naphex	hey mike_c can we add BTCXChange on btcalpha?:p	[22:15]
mike_c	well, it's more geared towards btc investments. not sure what I would put up.	[22:17]
Naphex	ah	[22:17]
mike_c	although i am sure you will get a mention/link when i cover s.mpif	[22:17]
kakobrekla	so you gonna do real time coverage of mpif mike_c ?	[22:17]
jurov	mrstickball: rentalstarter?	[22:18]
mike_c	kakobrekla: interesting idea.	[22:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0719029 = 0.1438 BTC [+]	[22:19]
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mircea_popescu	i would say these are exciting times.	[22:19]
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Naphex	dunno about that	[22:20]
Naphex	i'm pretty bored	[22:20]
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moiety	are there still forumites 3D printing things for btc?	[22:21]
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jurov	moiety 3dtlac.com (not forumites, but gave me nifty btc keyfob)	[22:23]
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moiety	oooo thanks very much jurov!	[22:24]
moiety	oh i like their rainbowness too	[22:24]
danielpbarron	I lost funds in that counterparty bug; nice to see that they are offering reembursements now.. gonna have to follow those steps i guess	[22:25]
danielpbarron	I told them about it at least a week ago; took them until now to officially admit it was a problem on their end?	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	how much did you lose, how did you find the problem etc ?	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	and they seem to be claiming it was a problem with bitcoinj which i find somewhat dubious	[22:28]
danielpbarron	about 0.3 BTC (not that much)	[22:30]
danielpbarron	I was one of the first users of their web wallet	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6252 @ 0.00094837 = 5.9292 BTC [-]	[22:31]
danielpbarron	I found out after I had finished moving all my assets to their new web wallet, went to eat breakfast, come back to see my BTC has been moved	[22:31]
danielpbarron	I started the asset MEAT on the counterparty exchange, which until very recently was the only asset traded on there	[22:32]
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jurov	!up joecool	[22:33]
assbot	Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.	[22:33]
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danielpbarron	but I stopped using it ever since that bug happened, and also because everyone in here advised me to leave	[22:33]
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thestringpuller	that's because counter party will likely become GLBSE	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	"My impression is that the feel-good guys are incompetent and stupid and need others to be nice to them because if other people were fair and just to them, they would suffer tremendously, and therefore defend other incompetent and stupid people because they can identify with the sloppy bastards, but not with those who actually do their job well and have that as their primary motive and their reason both for asking ques	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	tions and providing answers to problems from others who also want to do their job well and who find their enjoyment in their capacity to do just that."	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	gnarly phrase competition winner.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	norwegians ftw.	[22:41]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: who said that?	[22:41]
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mircea_popescu	noggin	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	i mean naggum	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	wait.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	ibsen.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	there we go :D	[22:42]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243007932071437@naggum.no.html	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform's link	[22:42]
asciilifeform	i like digging out unexploded shells from great flamewors of teh past	[22:43]
asciilifeform	but i'm a weirdo	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	norse flamewhores	[22:44]
asciilifeform	pulled by housecat chariot.	[22:44]
thestringpuller	Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.	[22:45]
thestringpuller	that's a good quote	[22:45]
asciilifeform	speaking of, if anybody wants a 'compact' dead lang, - old norse	[22:45]
asciilifeform	http://norse.ulver.com/dct/zoega/	[22:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00094541 = 16.5447 BTC [-] {3}	[22:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	!up belcher	[22:49]
assbot	Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.	[22:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0713 = 0.2852 BTC [-]	[22:50]
asciilifeform	for anyone fond of naggumisms (whether to cheer or vivisect,) here's more -	[22:52]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165	[22:52]
ozbot	Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum	[22:52]
asciilifeform	(yeah posted here before, ages ago)	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--E7j7p4lU--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/jkgwlgpzwrgbycvi3u85.jpg	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	is woman holding geiger counter ?	[22:53]
mike_c	i think that's an ipod	[22:53]
asciilifeform	'rio' mp3 player.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	damned 1940s hipster time travelers	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	;;google radio portabil ric	[22:54]
kakobrekla	portable ladies mirror	[22:54]
asciilifeform	http://www.minidisc.org/RioPlay.gif	[22:54]
gribble	Portable AM/FM Radios \| eBay: ; RBR-4 — Standards for the Operation of Radio Stations in the ...: ; RIC-7 — Basic Qualification Question Bank for Amateur Radio ...:	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--I7BrG8aK--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/nsrieshcfpe5judn5k1r.jpg	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	Buy.More.Bonds.	[22:55]
BingoBoingo	Great Justice	[22:55]
BingoBoingo	http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/24/world/asia/japan-whaling/index.html?sr=tw042514whalehunting330pstorylink	[22:55]
ozbot	Japanese whaling to continue despite court ruling - CNN.com	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	this'd be apretty cool advertising ploy for s.mpif	[22:55]
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TomServo	no loafing!	[22:57]
asciilifeform	now for the pepsi:	[22:57]
asciilifeform	http://www.bestads.lt/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/SovietPropaganda6.jpg	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	the funniest one is the KEEP CLOTHI	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	what was it, on or off ?	[22:58]
asciilifeform	http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Original-Soviet-Poster-1963-Factory-Industrial-Very-Rare-Russian-Propaganda-/00/s/NzAwWDcwMA==/z/eyYAAOxyUrZSrLJv/$_58.JPG	[22:58]
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asciilifeform	'here great machines must sit forgot / because the idler wants to nod...'	[23:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.vox.com/2014/4/25/5653390/chipotle-s-calorie-labels-are-a-lie	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	calories ? 10 to 900	[23:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07182 = 0.1436 BTC [+]	[23:06]
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benkay	someone's visiting the chipotles at the tail of the upgrade cycle	[23:07]
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benkay	any reasonably high-traffic chipotle publishes numbers for individual items, eg guac, sour cream, cheese, various salsas, the different meats...	[23:07]
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benkay	plus also lets ignore that the base measure is +/- 20% iirc, cuz what's research anyways when you're chasing provocative headlines.	[23:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1999 @ 0.0002289 = 0.4576 BTC [+] {3}	[23:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: did you ever encounter the tale of 'подвиг радиста' as schoolboy?	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	mnop	[23:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	benkay o hey, im a total noob when it comes to all these topics	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol "dreaming of kansas" ?	[23:10]
asciilifeform	mrstickball: fellow who pinched a broken wire with his teeth, died in the correct position	[23:10]
asciilifeform	one of those soviet legends that 'everybody knew'	[23:10]
asciilifeform	if modern sysop monkeys had myths & legends, they'd pick up this one	[23:11]
Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQm5BnhTBEQ now guys in the desert, they get bored hardcore ;o	[23:11]
ozbot	Saudi's Again Changing Wheels/Tyres while driving - YouTube	[23:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00095136 = 21.691 BTC [+] {4}	[23:12]
asciilifeform	field telephone.	[23:12]
danielpbarron	he kept the current flowing, even in death	[23:13]
asciilifeform	that's the legend anyway	[23:13]
asciilifeform	interestingly, подвиг doesn't translate to eng.	[23:14]
benkay	naphex why are both front and rear wheels stationary?	[23:14]
Naphex	differential probably	[23:15]
benkay	they'd still be spinning though, right? diff only has an effect when turning.	[23:15]
benkay	unless it's some crazy e-diff? and they've hacked it to say 'don't spin up wheel'?	[23:16]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/VG85ul7 < this is pretty close to the final draft	[23:16]
Naphex	nah i it's the same on my audi/quattro	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ahaha	[23:16]
Naphex	if wheel doesn't do contact it doesn't spin	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	the bearded dragon lighther	[23:17]
nubbins`	now imagine two of those straddling a shield with some leafwork on top/bottom	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	do i get a heart butt tattoo ?	[23:17]
Naphex	probably the diff or systems like ASR/ESP, not really sure.	[23:17]
nubbins`	men would go to war under such a banner!	[23:17]
nubbins`	i think that might be from the ol' heart-shaped-sticker-in-the-tanning-booth trick, but i'm not sure	[23:18]
Naphex	ASR only operates in conjunction with the Electronic Accelerator (E gas) and uses components of the Anti-lock Brake System (ABS). If one wheel suddenly begins to rotate faster than the others (slip), ASR intervenes in the engine management system and reduces power until the wheel stops spinning.	[23:18]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/1vmEJij	[23:19]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[23:19]
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nubbins`	http://imgur.com/pOhMaAm	[23:19]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[23:19]
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mircea_popescu	muy hipster!	[23:21]
asciilifeform	lol, google's best transl. of 'подвиг' is... 'exploit.'	[23:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00023001 = 0.115 BTC [-]	[23:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03252 = 0.2276 BTC [+]	[23:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8108 @ 0.00095174 = 7.7167 BTC [+] {2}	[23:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	http://imgur.com/a/OKLDf	[23:36]
ozbot	Balconies are for the Birds - Imgur	[23:36]
jurov	asciilifeform: isn't подвиг heroic deed?	[23:37]
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nubbins`	:D	[23:37]
jurov	asciilifeform, also i think you assume there was more cultural exchange between ussr and its colonies than there actually was	[23:38]
fluffypony	here	[23:38]
fluffypony	for the hipsters	[23:38]
fluffypony	http://spagni.net/jdmpif/	[23:38]
jurov	iirc, it was actually discouraged because it would create conternation on both sides	[23:38]
jurov	*consternation	[23:38]
fluffypony	mike_c: I figured out how to scrape through CloudFlare, if you need me to make the jd mpif number available for you or explain how to walk past cloudflare	[23:39]
fluffypony	complete PITA	[23:39]
Naphex	http://oglaf.com/illusionist/	[23:39]
ozbot	the Illusionist	[23:39]
Naphex	there's a lesson there	[23:39]
mike_c	yeah.. i've seen PITA ways with scraping the cloudflare response, grabbing the JS shit and posting some form or something.	[23:39]
mike_c	all of which breaks when cloudflare tweaks their page	[23:40]
fluffypony	oh	[23:40]
mike_c	i didn't feel like participating in the arms race	[23:40]
fluffypony	no, this is unbreakable	[23:40]
mike_c	oh? do tell.	[23:40]
fluffypony	lemme pastebin	[23:40]
fluffypony	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=v0Zscx9Q	[23:41]
fluffypony	phantomjs script	[23:41]
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fluffypony	just /usr/bin/phantomjs that script	[23:42]
fluffypony	it loads the page, lets the js/meta-redir/whatever they add execute for 10 seconds	[23:42]
fluffypony	and then dumps the page down	[23:42]
fluffypony	you end up with: 50.24414705	[23:42]
fluffypony	so you still have to strip tags	[23:42]
fluffypony	but it'll work for all changes except a captcha, and you can run it every 10s	[23:43]
mike_c	ah. i thought about doing something like that with selenium. i haven't tried phantomjs.	[23:43]
mike_c	thanks	[23:43]
jurov	mike_c: guess i'll need to feed you marketmaker bot's trades, yo?	[23:43]
mike_c	i don't know if i'll go that route though. i hate web scraping.	[23:43]
fluffypony	selenium is nice, phantomjs is headless	[23:43]
kakobrekla	just get whitelisted	[23:43]
mike_c	jurov: yeah, that would cool. if you provide it I will ingest it	[23:43]
fluffypony	I hate having to have a UI on a server, lol	[23:44]
kakobrekla	jurov you will be mm on mpif ?	[23:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07000335 = 0.28 BTC [-] {3}	[23:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12916 @ 0.0009455 = 12.2121 BTC [-] {3}	[23:44]
mike_c	whitelist what, IP address? api keys would be nicer.	[23:44]
jurov	kako yes, TAT declined, so mp asked me	[23:44]
kakobrekla	cool	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20080 @ 0.00094464 = 18.9684 BTC [-] {3}	[23:45]
kakobrekla	mike_c yes ip	[23:46]
kakobrekla	or i can proxy it for you	[23:47]
mike_c	i like that idea	[23:47]
kakobrekla	dammit.	[23:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00094403 = 6.1362 BTC [-]	[23:47]
kakobrekla	:D	[23:47]
mike_c	hah	[23:47]
mike_c	IP whitelists are just PITA for everyone. api keys are so much easier..	[23:48]
fluffypony	yeah except CloudFlare doesn't support anything like that	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	Naphex http://trilema.com/2013/the-strange-case-of-the-delusionist-and-later-stories/	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07170659 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}	[23:49]
bounce	oh, while I know next to nothing of trading, I have a possible mm candidate: moriarty, the one of spamming come to ##econometrics (in)fame	[23:50]
benkay	hey hanbot is 'hanbot' an acceptable way to refer to you now that you're not stalking the forums as 'MPOE-PR'?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust moriarty	[23:51]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moriarty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moriarty \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moriarty \| Rated since: never	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	you gotta be kidding me.	[23:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5000001 BTC [+]	[23:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00439988 = 0.22 BTC [-]	[23:51]
bounce	your due diligence is going to be a bit of a whale, yes	[23:52]
mike_c	fluffypony: surely you can have URL patterns that don't get cloudflared? if not, stats.just-dice.com would work.	[23:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.0044 = 0.2772 BTC [+]	[23:52]
jurov	+ CDN worth its name	[23:53]
fluffypony	mike_c: I don't know if you can exclude it in CF's PageRules, never bothered checking, but you can have a subdomain (CNAME / A record) and just turn CF protection off for it	[23:53]
fluffypony	which is what most do - www. and @ is protected, api. is not	[23:53]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: :D	[23:53]
fluffypony	(and api normally lives on separate hardware so the site stays up in the event of a DDoS on the API layer)	[23:53]
jurov	i suggest just using normal CDN	[23:54]
jurov	for it	[23:54]
Naphex	or just set up your own proxy/load balancer/cleaner	[23:54]
Naphex	cloudflare just setup varnish	[23:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 440 @ 0.0044 = 1.936 BTC [+]	[23:55]
Naphex	i got like ~100GB/s DDoS protection from the datacenter, after they cut upstream	[23:56]
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benkay	late for dinner it is, then.	[23:59]
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