Forum logs for 26 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-] [00:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 227 @ 0.0044 = 0.9988 BTC [+] {2} [00:02]
fluffypony benkay: always late for everything except for every meal? [00:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0044 = 0.308 BTC [+] [00:04]
benkay ;;ticker [00:05]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 463.5, Best ask: 466.17, Bid-ask spread: 2.67000, Last trade: 466.17, 24 hour volume: 32390.83705859, 24 hour low: 438.05, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 465.483723915 [00:05]
benkay dag. [00:05]
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kakobrekla !jd [00:09]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 16476 BTC profit, 36.1k BTC invested, 1100.33 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered [00:09]
kakobrekla !jd mpif [00:09]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24467048 BTC [00:09]
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mircea_popescu ha! [00:09]
mircea_popescu splendeed [00:09]
mircea_popescu btw, you have one for panacea too ? :D [00:10]
mircea_popescu could be !mpif, spits out jd, panacea :D [00:10]
kakobrekla i dun think i can do that there because of the fee structure [00:10]
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mircea_popescu oh [00:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC [00:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.00737639 = 0.1549 BTC [-] {2} [00:11]
mircea_popescu but i mean... at any point you must somehow know the maximum im allowed to withdraw [00:11]
mircea_popescu like i go... pls to pay me back 100 btc. you say well... you ain't got 100 btc. how do you know i don't ? [00:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07117736 = 0.7118 BTC [+] {2} [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0044 = 0.2068 BTC [+] {3} [00:12]
kakobrekla like we discussed, the accounting is done at the end of the month [00:12]
kakobrekla at that point withdrawals are done [00:12]
mircea_popescu ah yeah. a fixed figure for 1 month isnt too useful [00:12]
mircea_popescu aite! [00:12]
kakobrekla theres 2 things [00:12]
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kakobrekla - you can see the trades so you can estimate something from that [00:13]
mircea_popescu maybe add the trades in chan ? [00:13]
mircea_popescu iirc they weren't very numerous [00:13]
kakobrekla i think its 5 this month [00:13]
mircea_popescu so add them to assbot feed. [00:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+] [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+] [00:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC [00:17]
benkay what's the endgame for counterparty look like? [00:22]
benkay it's not a classic GLBSE in the sense that someone's going to shut it down. theoretically anyone can walk the 'exchange' at any time and discover the assets available for trade. [00:22]
benkay i guess the real question is 'is there an endgame for distributed exchanges'? [00:23]
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jurov to fall into obscurity? [00:25]
benkay if exponential decay counts as endgame. [00:25]
jurov provided that the codebase is solid, which us pretty strong assumption [00:25]
benkay but they can't even fall into obscurity - noobs are still going to show up and want some return. [00:25]
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benkay i guess i'm assuming someone does a 'distributed' 'exchange' adequately at some point in the future. [00:26]
jurov on the other end of scale, planetary bubble? [00:26]
benkay ugh [00:27]
jurov fortunately no contemporary distributed systems can support 10e9 shareholders [00:27]
benkay do not want [00:27]
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jurov actually, if p2p trading system that can truly do that gets invented, i think it's inevitable [00:29]
benkay global bubble? [00:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00095013 = 7.031 BTC [+] {2} [00:30]
jurov yes [00:30]
mircea_popescu benkay the endgame for it is now [00:30]
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mircea_popescu this is it. same as ripples. [00:30]
Naphex mircea_popescu, ever seen the thick of it / in the loop? Alistar Cambell loved it ;] [00:31]
danielpbarron if counterparty does take off, I have some choice asset names squatted [00:32]
mircea_popescu ^ [00:32]
jurov mircea_popescu: how? if it doesn't have a website that can be shut down and is decently resistant to double spends? [00:32]
mircea_popescu just one of the many problems with "distributed" shits [00:32]
jurov (the latter remains to be seen) [00:32]
mircea_popescu jurov exactly the way myspace went. servers no purpose, has no utility. its entire lifetime is its endgame [00:33]
benkay mircea_popescu: those problems won't stop people from using it to sell seekyoorities [00:33]
mircea_popescu nothing's stopping people from using myspace to organise major concerts, [00:34]
mircea_popescu nothing stopped yahoo from recruiting their ceo on linkedin [00:34]
mircea_popescu etc. [00:34]
mircea_popescu soft constraints. [00:34]
benkay "major" "ceo" are orders of magnitude beyond the scope of btc scams. [00:35]
kakobrekla i deleted my linkedin a couple of days ago [00:35]
mircea_popescu benkay the purpose of a stock exchange is major and ceo. [00:35]
benkay kakobrekla: hipster! [00:35]
kakobrekla is that what they do now? [00:35]
benkay mircea_popescu: the purpose of a scam exchange is no accountability and access to pennies from paupers [00:35]
mircea_popescu yea ok. [00:36]
mircea_popescu like the purpose of myspace/linkedin etc is advertising and "user data" [00:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.03281792 = 0.9845 BTC [+] {8} [00:36]
benkay is it? [00:37]
fluffypony I don't think the tech is fundamentally flawed, I think there's a lot of good stuff and good ideas underlying it all...I just think that anything like that is only really going to be useful in 20+ years when the current banking/regulation systems are significantly different from today [00:37]
fluffypony when accountability can be controlled programmatically instead of enforced by the po-po [00:37]
benkay i thought facebook/myspace were "VC Gems" [00:37]
mike_c <+fluffypony> when accountability can be controlled programmatically << that hurt my brain. [00:38]
mircea_popescu fluffypony the fundamental flaw is the naive expectation for tech to work by intself and in of itself. [00:38]
mircea_popescu this is the nonsense at work here, a sort of tech worship. [00:38]
fluffypony benkay: so what you're saying is counterparty is the next "Red Hot Penny Stocks"? [00:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.03409809 = 0.9888 BTC [+] {8} [00:38]
mike_c no, that's haveloc [00:38]
mike_c counterparty is the next nothing. [00:38]
mircea_popescu that's a great blog name [00:39]
mircea_popescu TNN. The Next Nothing. [00:39]
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mircea_popescu covering Republican finances since 2014 [00:39]
benkay fluffypony: if i can't list a thing on mpex, i haven't made a good enough thing. there isn't another exchange out there that i'd sully my thing by listing on. [00:39]
kanzure does deleting your linkedin account actually work? [00:40]
benkay the taint coming from 2 sources: [00:40]
mircea_popescu kanzure yes. before you deleted it, you can delete it. [00:40]
benkay a) provenance of exchange. [00:40]
mircea_popescu after you deleted it, you can no longer delete it anymore. [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00094953 = 6.077 BTC [-] [00:40]
kanzure mircea_popescu: does it remove your address book etc? or does your data still contribute to their spam machine. [00:40]
benkay b) the 'security' 'peers' on the alternative exchange. [00:40]
mircea_popescu as i said :D [00:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-] [00:42]
mircea_popescu benkay our bitlordity's black, cold heart is warmed by your sentiments. [00:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.0044 = 0.9944 BTC [+] [00:43]
fluffypony mike_c: I think interesting things are coming from "trustless" systems when trust becomes a product of data instead of a product of human decision making. For instance, imagine a designer works with a client who specs their project out. When the designer has completed it and delivered it, intelligent software is able to analyse his design and determine within a reasonable amount of probability that it matches the client's agreement both [00:43]
fluffypony functionally and from a design perspective. The *software* signs off on the transaction with no input needed from the client. [00:43]
benkay let me know the conversion rate of mp heart-degrees to btc, eh? [00:43]
mircea_popescu "when trust becomes a product of data instead of a product of human decision making." << srsly, this is nonsense fluffy [00:44]
benkay fluffypony: i've yet to figure out how to build a DAC i can't rob. [00:44]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: well it's already somewhat possible to have automated escrow with multisif [00:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC [-] {2} [00:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] [00:44]
fluffypony *multisig [00:44]
mircea_popescu run me through it. [00:44]
fluffypony ok so a 2 of 3 multisig transaction to purchase an MP3 - funds are now out your wallet and requires two sigs to release to the supplier [00:45]
mircea_popescu so i buy some shit from you. i send it to an addy where you have a sig and i have a sig and we must both sign for you to get paid ? [00:46]
fluffypony an automated system is able to verify the validity of the download link and that the checksum on the download matches the expected checksum of that song [00:46]
fluffypony and so merchant + automated system = 2 sigs [00:46]
mircea_popescu i'd never use it. [00:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-] [00:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.0044 = 0.9944 BTC [+] [00:46]
benkay gotta trust automated system to not get haxxed [00:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0712 = 0.2136 BTC [+] [00:46]
benkay oops [00:46]
mircea_popescu "expected checksum" wtf nonsense is that [00:47]
fluffypony I'm thumbsucking here, I'm not a distributed systems expert [00:47]
fluffypony s/checksum/hash [00:47]
fluffypony but look at a decentralised data store like Tahoe-LAFS, for instance [00:48]
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benkay distributed systems as a term of art in the industry (as i'd expect you to know, fluffypony) does not refer to these blockchain applications [00:48]
mircea_popescu yeah, this is exactly the problem we're discussing. you don't understand the subject, but you do have convictions as to what works and how, and what the future will bring. [00:48]
mircea_popescu this is religion, nothing else. [00:48]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: absolutely, I have faith the Grand Designers will come up with Cool Shit (tm) [00:48]
mircea_popescu yes well. [00:48]
jurov having ability to check specs automatically will result in unemployed designer, will be easier just to machine evolve something that fits the spec [00:49]
mircea_popescu where are your submerged cities and flying cars ? [00:49]
mircea_popescu jurov has it. the entire thing is a restatement of the perpetuum mobile, [00:49]
mircea_popescu in flashy new terminology. [00:49]
benkay lol machine evolved designs [00:49]
benkay not a terribly bad idea [00:49]
mircea_popescu a sort more palatable to the modern religious mind, which as you stated, works on the " Grand Designers will come up with Cool Shit" faith [00:49]
benkay "here are 20 seeds! pick five." [00:50]
benkay machine thinks for an hour [00:50]
benkay "here are 40 'ideas'! pick 10" [00:50]
benkay machine thinks for another hour [00:50]
mircea_popescu "go to buy shoes. come back three hours later with a half cup made out of tin foil and something that looks like a mouse with no buttons" [00:50]
benkay "here are your five options! send btc to 1MACHINETHINKER and pick one package for downloading!" [00:50]
benkay point is only to outcompete the fiverr crowd [00:51]
benkay not the handmade leather shoe crowd [00:51]
mircea_popescu i was thinking, this is kind-of how plenty of women do shopping today anywya [00:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00094953 = 2.3263 BTC [-] [00:51]
mircea_popescu give her $100 to buy fishnet stockings, watch her come back with a purse and batteries. [00:52]
benkay hah [00:52]
mircea_popescu anyway, this constant tendency to abstract people out of life is a sickness by now. [00:54]
mircea_popescu law without people degenerates into the us sort of national-socialism. [00:54]
mircea_popescu sex without people is masturbation. finance without people is also known as crisis. [00:55]
mircea_popescu on it goes. you gotta have people in the loop or it ain't a thing. [00:55]
mircea_popescu we'd be better off allowing violence, from the schoolyard all the way to the workplace, than having this diffuse "everyone hates everyone" sort of poison floating about. [00:56]
benkay i'd be satisfied if we allowed sex in america [00:56]
benkay allowed it to be a part of life, you know? [00:56]
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benkay i go out, i meet a chick as part of my gadding about the local scene. she's an acceptably well-practiced and hardworking programmer. i like her, we fuck. i can't hire her now basically. [00:57]
benkay wtf is this nonsense [00:57]
mircea_popescu why cant you hire her ? [00:57]
benkay bringing insane risk down onto the company. [00:58]
mircea_popescu eh, have topless day, what. [00:58]
benkay hostile work environment [00:58]
benkay "i don't feel comfortable being topless at work." [00:58]
benkay don charnley has some hack for this [00:59]
mircea_popescu so work somewhere else. [00:59]
benkay except then the Labor Department steps in. [00:59]
mircea_popescu ~somewhere else~ [00:59]
asciilifeform benkay: atlas, suitcase, airplane. [00:59]
benkay "we see that you're making your employees uncomfortable. please pay us your entire profits for the past ten years." [00:59]
benkay asciilifeform: working on it. [00:59]
benkay mircea_popescu: working on it. [01:00]
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mircea_popescu funny story : at one particular workplace we actually had topless day. buncha young people, the guys thought it was great. [01:00]
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mircea_popescu six weeks later we no longer had topless day [01:00]
mircea_popescu the guys thought it puts too much power in the hands of womenz and it basiclaly sucks and is opressive. [01:00]
asciilifeform me in 5yr. sitting in gasenwagen with benkay and ThickAsThieves: 'so, let's chat about how we worked on it. while the motor revvs.' [01:00]
benkay shit we only have 5 years? [01:00]
mircea_popescu the settlement included guys having to always split the drinks tab among themselves. [01:00]
* asciilifeform optimist [01:01]
benkay how so too much power in the hands of the girls? [01:02]
asciilifeform benkay: 'radiation damage' [01:02]
mircea_popescu benkay well after the first coupla hours of awkward, the chicks loved it, cause apparently it's more comfortable. [01:02]
mircea_popescu the guys ended up spending all their time being awkward. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu it was quite the show tbh [01:03]
benkay [01:04]
Naphex [01:07]
benkay now that's punishment! [01:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.06998434 = 1.3297 BTC [-] {4} [01:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06987327 = 0.1397 BTC [-] [01:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [-] [01:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10757 @ 0.00094538 = 10.1695 BTC [-] {2} [01:32]
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cazalla that towel is clearly australian made [01:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709999 = 0.142 BTC [+] [01:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00094645 = 3.2179 BTC [+] [01:44]
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Naphex gn [01:47]
fluffypony also here [01:49]
fluffypony night Naphex [01:49]
Naphex gn fluff` :D [01:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7007 @ 0.00094645 = 6.6318 BTC [+] [01:54]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell satoshijack cool [08:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:18]
mircea_popescu apparently this is a thing [08:19]
ozbot Name of the Year [08:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+] [08:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [-] [08:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [08:42]
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mircea_popescu for a quick laugh : [09:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00021217 = 0.1061 BTC [-] {2} [09:24]
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cgcardona_ mircea_popescu: regarding—first I'd seen it but I don't frequent the site. crazy stuff [09:30]
cgcardona_ so ass backwards the way the US acts about online gambling [09:30]
cgcardona_ like we're still on the mayflower [09:31]
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mircea_popescu cgcardona_ funny cause i had just written an article about exactly this [09:31]
mircea_popescu [09:31]
ozbot An inventory of a prison pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:31]
cgcardona_ wow i didn't realize you made the berkshire bet [09:34]
cgcardona_ bitbet is kakobrekla's site yea? [09:35]
cgcardona_ now part of MPex? (Still putting pieces together) [09:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60386 @ 0.00095079 = 57.4144 BTC [+] {4} [09:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31416 @ 0.00095354 = 29.9564 BTC [+] [09:38]
mircea_popescu so start with the primary sources neh ? [09:40]
ozbot S.BBET last 357@0.00055999 [09:40]
cgcardona_ ah yes i see. how very cool. that site blew my mind the first time I saw it. [09:41]
mircea_popescu it;s not bad. [09:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla regularly gets cookies for it. [09:41]
cgcardona_ ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Creator of and creator of #bitcoin-assets [09:41]
mircea_popescu i eat them. [09:41]
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cgcardona_ haha I bet you do :) [09:42]
cgcardona_ ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 cookie eating bitlord [09:42]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay` "I rapidly came to understand that the space compromised of people working on Bitcoin" you mean comprised ? [10:13]
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fluffypony thestringpuller: just read your Airbnb thing, they sound truly retarded [10:20]
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mircea_popescu between the "you gotta break your lease to use our site" and the "you can't talk to your customers as per our rules", the whole thing should be illegal. [10:22]
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fluffypony I agree [10:23]
mircea_popescu that the SEC is not probing it simply speaks of how the SEC is more of an instrument of private interest than any sort of justice. [10:23]
fluffypony I'd hate to have random people I don't know and have never spoken to staying in my house whilst I'm not there [10:23]
fluffypony :/ [10:23]
mircea_popescu who the fuck heard of this, "build an alleged business on explicitly and directly requiring people to break the law, require them to not talk about it and then list on the nyse" [10:24]
mircea_popescu if ycombinator is allowed to do this, why aren't the crime families ? [10:24]
fluffypony thestringpuller: also I don't know if you know this, but BBVA (Spanish bank who bought are pro-Bitcoin, so maybe there will be some interesting integration sometime [10:24]
fluffypony lol [10:24]
mircea_popescu fluffypony how about you sublet half a duplex to some schmuck [10:24]
mircea_popescu which results in 3829 people staying there over 3 years. [10:24]
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fluffypony I'm pretty sure I'd need to get some sort of special license for that in parts of the world [10:25]
fluffypony especially in the US [10:25]
fluffypony aren't there hospitality licenses/requirements? [10:25]
mircea_popescu yes. including the parts of the world where airbnb domiciles. [10:25]
mircea_popescu somehow it's not been shutdown yet tho. [10:25]
mircea_popescu meanwhile charlie shrem is in jail etc. [10:25]
fluffypony landlords need to step up and start nailing tenants who use Airbnb [10:26]
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mircea_popescu no. the sec needs to step up and have the shit delisted, [10:26]
mircea_popescu and the ny da needs to step up and slap charges on everyone involved. [10:26]
mircea_popescu the founders, the angels, the board members, the vcs that signed sheets. [10:26]
fluffypony agreed [10:26]
HeySteve I had an idea to improve security of f2f trades: beforehand buyer signs a contract stating his receiving address. if the buyer gets the coins but doesn't pay (as per security cam), theft is on record [10:27]
mircea_popescu want a fiat stock exchange as clean as mpex, gotta put in as much work as mpex does. [10:27]
mircea_popescu HeySteve what security cam is this ? [10:27]
HeySteve wherever they might choose to meet that has Big Brother around [10:28]
mircea_popescu how do you get access to the recording ? [10:28]
HeySteve I've read an account of where it was done, I think LocalBitcoins got involved. was either a bank or coffee shop [10:28]
mircea_popescu yes well there's a difference between a bank and a coffee shop. [10:29]
mircea_popescu the difference'd be that while the bank cam can be used in court, random joe blow does not get a copy [10:29]
mircea_popescu wheras the converse is true of a coffee shop [10:29]
HeySteve ah well then it's just a matter of finding a bitcoin-friendly bank that loves helping the public :D [10:30]
mircea_popescu that's akin to the matter of finding a girl that menstruates pearls. [10:30]
HeySteve heh [10:30]
HeySteve well, any recording where cash is clearly handed over will have some value as evidence, the contract being the evidence of bitcoin transferral [10:31]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay` "Quixotic damn mission. There are years of fraudulent insanity buried in that forum, and after two weeks of cataloging the madness had to take the project out back and shoot it in the head for fear I'd come down with whatever disease is infecting the brains of those who seek to throw their hard-won bitcoins at unknown entities across the internet. " << that then makes two for you eh ? [10:31]
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mircea_popescu HeySteve sure, if you find people willing to post videos on themselves on your blog, you may have something. [10:32]
danielpbarron the cam helps the scammer [10:33]
HeySteve I'm thinking in Bitcoin-trendy places like Kreuzberg that shops accepting BTC would provide this service [10:33]
danielpbarron the point of the contract is to prevent the scammer from pretending no deal was supposed to take place [10:33]
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danielpbarron since the camera footage would show one guy type on his phone and the other leave with the money he entered with [10:34]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron i don't exactly follow ? [10:34]
danielpbarron or in the case I heard about: the headphones with which he entered [10:34]
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mircea_popescu !jd mpif [10:36]
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danielpbarron there was a real case where a guy said he wanted to sell his headphones for BTC; they met in a place that had a camera; the footage showed one guy type on his phone, and the other guy left with his headphones [10:36]
mircea_popescu fluffypony << broken ? [10:36]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron so how was the scammer helped ? [10:36]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: requires JavaScript, it's for the hipsters :-P [10:36]
mircea_popescu oic [10:36]
danielpbarron if the BTC guy tried to grab the headphones, it would look as if HE were the theif [10:37]
danielpbarron thief* [10:37]
mircea_popescu i saw a - i was all omg wtf i got robbed overnight! [10:37]
fluffypony LOL [10:37]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron oh i see. yep, you got a solid point there. [10:37]
fluffypony the JS just ends up loading and replacing the contents of the div with the value from here: [10:38]
danielpbarron and this really happened; so anyway, HeySteve had the good idea to get the cash guy to sign a GPG contract specifying his receiving address, before the face-to-face meeting [10:38]
HeySteve I wonder if it'd be worth developing a service for this, to make GPG contracts easier for casuals [10:39]
danielpbarron that way, the BTC guy can prove that fraud has taken place if the other guy tries to walk away after the transaction is broadcast [10:39]
fluffypony localbitcoins could integrate a quick and easy mutual GPG-signed contract [10:39]
HeySteve nothing stops LocalBTC taking the idea though [10:39]
mircea_popescu fluffypony it could. verify that the contracts are signed. [10:39]
fluffypony HeySteve: the act of signing still requires a modicum of technical ability [10:39]
fluffypony although there are nice UIs nowadays [10:40]
fluffypony you'll still end up with people losing their privkeys [10:40]
danielpbarron yeh it's not gonna happen [10:40]
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mircea_popescu HeySteve actually a site like that, WebContract or w/e, where you simply put up html forms for people to ul their contracts and you verify them [10:40]
mircea_popescu that may well end up a big thing [10:40]
mircea_popescu make it a social media site centered around contract making [10:40]
fluffypony yeah, doesn't have to be GPG necessarily [10:40]
HeySteve yeah, maybe some on-site videos with excitable cartoon animals would help with the GPG stuff [10:40]
mircea_popescu indeed. [10:40]
danielpbarron in my experience, localbitcoin users do not have the patience to wait for 1 confirmation, let alone learn what GPG is [10:40]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron so fuck them. users gotta be trained. [10:41]
mircea_popescu like any other dog. [10:41]
danielpbarron i agree [10:41]
mircea_popescu if it were up to the users, they wouldn't have the patience for the hambuger order either [10:41]
danielpbarron probably best not to even use that site [10:41]
mircea_popescu it's not. [10:41]
HeySteve the thing is, a LBTC sellers who got or are worried about being scammed in F2F would want it if it existed [10:41]
HeySteve could offer buyer a discount if they jump through the hoops [10:42]
danielpbarron gpg social media [10:42]
mircea_popescu HeySteve cheaper than two guys with shotguns to back you up and a new pair of spatz every time some twennysomething spaz tries to be smart. [10:42]
danielpbarron i like the sound of that [10:42]
danielpbarron is that something keybase is working towards? [10:42]
HeySteve lol [10:43]
danielpbarron (i know they want your private key, but you can use their service without giving it to them) [10:44]
fluffypony I don't get [10:44]
fluffypony what is it supposed to be? [10:44]
mircea_popescu you can verify sigs with the pubkey, you don;'t need the private [10:44]
HeySteve hell maybe I'll just blog this idea and see what happens [10:44]
danielpbarron fluffypony: it's kinda along these lines except without posting the contracts [10:44]
fluffypony so why do they need your privkey? [10:45]
fluffypony not need, want [10:45]
danielpbarron it lets you make a social media style profile in which you can link other profiles by posting GPG signed proof messages [10:45]
fluffypony oic [10:45]
fluffypony [10:45]
ozbot Search results for 'spagni' [10:45]
fluffypony there [10:45]
fluffypony keybase [10:45]
fluffypony :-P [10:45]
danielpbarron you can upload your priv key to them and use a password for future signings [10:45]
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danielpbarron that's not the same at all [10:47]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation so what, fags were kulaks at some point. they ceased to be exactly because they started pushing that sort of thing. [10:47]
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danielpbarron keybase has you tweet from your twitter account, a special message containing a hash of a GPG signed statement of association [10:47]
fluffypony ok so they can "verify" your Twitter/Github/whatever is really you [10:48]
danielpbarron which you could do yourself, but keybase is like a yellow pages of these associations [10:48]
fluffypony but that they can do with just the pubkey...? [10:48]
danielpbarron yeah they don't need the priv key [10:48]
fluffypony jar [10:48]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic: << all the people who aren't in Bitcoin finance but would like to be, so rather than join #bitcoin-assets prefer to pretend like they matter instead. [10:49]
danielpbarron it's all done in your browser but it's still not safe since you have to trust the script served up isn't malicious [10:49]
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danielpbarron that's all only if you do it through the site, you can do the actual signing yourself without giving the site any private info [10:50]
danielpbarron that site is very pretty on my iPhone; this makes me distrust it [10:51]
fluffypony lol [10:51]
fluffypony responsive layouts aren't untrustworthy [10:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves << that's a huge thing, documenting all the memes. milk, and first, best and greatest and whoa nelly, tons of them [10:51]
fluffypony that's just CSS media queries [10:51]
danielpbarron i'm half kidding [10:51]
HeySteve it's the iphone itself which is the real risk [10:52]
HeySteve those things are backdoored to hell [10:52]
danielpbarron yeh, not happy with it overall [10:53]
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fluffypony I love my iPhone. but then again, I primarily use it as a phone. I do a bit of browsing and play games and have a bunch of apps of various utility, but I don't use it for anything I would consider sensitive [10:55]
fluffypony the whole "don't eat where you poop" thing [10:55]
danielpbarron i don't even like mine for the non-sensitive things; it just sucks all-around [10:56]
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fluffypony meh, I'm the wrong person for this debate, I'd still use a 3310 if it had more games than Snake [10:57]
danielpbarron is that the nokia brick? I used that thing until it wouldn't charge anymore [10:58]
fluffypony lol [10:58]
HeySteve I'm still using a nokia brick :) [10:58]
danielpbarron i only got an iPhone because it's "free" if you're already on contract [10:58]
danielpbarron i kept using it even when the 3 key wouldn't work [10:59]
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thestringpuller oh look people in other continents [11:04]
fluffypony Africa reprezent [11:05]
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mircea_popescu [11:05]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: cc ... [11:05]
mircea_popescu anyone want to make bets as to who shows up first ? [11:06]
fluffypony jerbrightcove hasn't tweeted since 2013 [11:08]
fluffypony so not him [11:08]
fluffypony I'm guessing Karl Grayh [11:09]
fluffypony *Gray [11:09]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu I'm always surprised at how well educated you are on Hollywood. [11:11]
thestringpuller I guess I shouldn't be at this point. [11:11]
mircea_popescu i'm an educated young man, what. [11:12]
thestringpuller It's a great analogy you use between Bitcoin finance and Hollywood. [11:13]
mircea_popescu fluffypony my bet's on neville. [11:13]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller kinda proud of it myself :p [11:14]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "Much like .nobody knows how to make movies. was generally true in Hollywood, .nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses. is generally true in Bitcoin." << I wish designers weren't as "uppity" these days. It's surprising that a designer straight out of school thinks they know how to "change the world" better than their predecessors who have been doing it for decades, yet these baby designers ha [11:22]
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thestringpuller lel [11:27]
Apocalyptic lmao [11:27]
fluffypony heh [11:27]
fluffypony this dude's 10 year old sister got her first phone, some of these are priceless: [11:27]
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mircea_popescu lol [11:29]
fluffypony the pretty simile is my favourite [11:30]
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mircea_popescu heh, just had a business idea. rent garages in first home neighbourhoods, buy crap for the people doing pond shops, abandoned storage container auctions, police confiscation auctions etc [11:46]
mircea_popescu hold perpetual garage sales at "discounted" prices. [11:46]
mircea_popescu a pepper mill that retails for $25 at Bed Bath & Beyond could be yours for 35 cents and moved on to a 28yo fuckwit that just bought a diamond ring and a mortgage for the low low price of $5. [11:47]
mircea_popescu perfect fambly business, your gf could keep a network of friendly garage owners to rent from, your other gf could spend all her time doing one garage a day for five days a week, you can handle the buying and logistics. [11:48]
mircea_popescu probably beats prostitution, especially if your two gfs are ugly. [11:49]
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jurov wut? [11:54]
mircea_popescu jurov garage sales. you know ? [11:59]
punkman do you have those in .ro? [12:00]
punkman seems like a US thing to me [12:01]
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jurov ah that i get it. need coffee [12:01]
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Naphex garage sales! [12:29]
Naphex morning [12:30]
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thestringpuller hahaha wow [12:34]
thestringpuller i really can't believe i came back from smoking and read that [12:34]
jurov here it works in exactly opposite manner [12:36]
jurov gypsies drive around and annoy everyone with recorded messages: [12:36]
punkman they do free garbage removal here, pick up old washing machines or whatever for scrap [12:37]
jurov Citizens! We buy old watches, pictures, scrap metal. Citizens, please make yourself heard! [12:37]
thestringpuller Citizens? [12:37]
thestringpuller curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ? [12:38]
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jurov he spent several years there [12:42]
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cazalla mircea_popescu: $5? tell him's dreamin' [13:00]
cazalla aussie classic heh [13:01]
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fluffypony has anyone been following the Bytecoin/CryptoNote thing? [13:29]
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fluffypony [13:30]
fluffypony;all [13:30]
ozbot [BCN] Uncovering CryptoNote technology and Bytecoin BCN FAQ [13:30]
fluffypony apparently it's been around since April 2012 (according to the genesis block) [13:31]
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fluffypony but Tor only [13:31]
fluffypony and everyone just woke up to its existence [13:31]
fluffypony "everyone" by some definition of everyone [13:31]
HeySteve hmm interesting [13:33]
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fluffypony [13:34]
fluffypony white paper [13:34]
fluffypony uses ring signatures [13:35]
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mircea_popescu punkman they dun exist in .ro no [13:51]
Vexual hi mircea [13:51]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller> curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ? << i lived there, remember ? i live with us born chicks, too. [13:51]
mircea_popescu fluffypony apparently, only you [13:52]
fluffypony :-P [13:52]
mircea_popescu o look at that, Vexual is back ? [13:53]
mircea_popescu how was rehab! [13:53]
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mircea_popescu Q: What is CryptoNote technology? [13:53]
mircea_popescu A: "An open-source technology and concepts for the cryptocurrencies of the future" as stated on the website. Also, CN developers state it clearly that they are not a coin itself, but rather a technological concept that allows creation of new cryptocurrencies. [13:53]
mircea_popescu sometimes i wonder what people think words mean. [13:54]
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Vexual :) okay. how was your party? [13:54]
mircea_popescu not bad! airbnb kept us 1 hour on hold [13:54]
Vexual conference [13:54]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony anyway, invite the rias guy over [13:58]
fluffypony rias? [13:59]
mircea_popescu ya [13:59]
fluffypony oh the dude that did that thread [13:59]
fluffypony [12:59:30] Rias signed on at 08 April 2014 at 12:27:14 PM SAST and has been idle for 1 week, 7 hours, 22 minutes, 48 seconds [14:00]
fluffypony he just compiled the info [14:00]
fluffypony "This whole story is quite strange and is getting stranger and stranger with each new fact about this cryptonote and bytecoin-bcn. I've started this topic to summarize all information that we have today. I feel like the best solution is faq with proof-links." [14:00]
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Vexual whats cryptonaot? ive got 2 months or reading to do [14:00]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla can assbot invite rias plox [14:01]
fluffypony I message'd him [14:01]
mircea_popescu a ty [14:01]
mircea_popescu "We propose a new memory-bound algorithm for the proof-of-work pricing function. It relies on random access to a slow memory and emphasizes latency dependence. As opposed to scrypt every [14:01]
mircea_popescu new block (64 bytes in length) depends on all the previous blocks. As a result a hypothetical “memory-saver” should increase his calculation speed exponentially." [14:01]
mircea_popescu this seems unsound. [14:02]
fluffypony similar to scrypt-n, with that the n-factor is based on the previous block [14:02]
mircea_popescu yeah. this'll never work. [14:02]
Vexual how many sha 256 computers are there? [14:03]
fluffypony [14:04]
mircea_popescu what;s a sha 256 computer ? [14:04]
fluffypony Vexual: you mean SHA-256 ASICs [14:04]
fluffypony ? [14:04]
Vexual is stuff with names like dragon you get off aliexpress [14:04]
Vexual whats altcoin diff? [14:04]
fluffypony AliExpress is a nice way to overpay for something and spend 3 months waiting for it [14:05]
mircea_popescu fluffypony apparently you weren't the only one looking at this, and apparently we don't think very much of it. [14:05]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I just heard about it today [14:05]
mircea_popescu Vexual apparently it exploded after conf [14:05]
fluffypony so I don't know enough to form an opinion yet [14:06]
Vexual were you making it rain altcoin? [14:07]
mircea_popescu nop [14:07]
mircea_popescu hum, did take off altcoin ?! [14:08]
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fluffypony nope [14:09]
fluffypony [14:09]
mircea_popescu a there it is. Vexual Difficulty 129,782.79 next 354,280.61 [14:09]
Vexual thats a big jump [14:10]
mircea_popescu iirc it was dropping towards 50k in march [14:10]
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Vexual that makes me feel good about unspent 3xx blox [14:11]
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mircea_popescu Vexual yeah it's quite unlike the typical scamcoin [14:12]
mircea_popescu its diff graph hasn't become monotonous yet. [14:12]
mircea_popescu 29571 block [14:13]
Vexual [14:13]
ozbot Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube [14:13]
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Vexual ty [14:15]
mircea_popescu Dogecoin 1.6 Download ~ MANDATORY Update [14:16]
mircea_popescu lol @ these idiots. mandatory eh ? no i mean MANDATORY [14:16]
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peterl hi all [14:19]
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mircea_popescu heya [14:21]
punkman I bought a 1TH mining contract to get some ATC, but seems like the guy screwed me [14:23]
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punkman paypal chargeback! [14:23]
mircea_popescu ew [14:24]
fluffypony punkman: where'd you rent? [14:24]
punkman some random guy on ebay [14:24]
mircea_popescu wait, you paid, how'd he chargeback you [14:24]
punkman I will chargeback him [14:24]
mircea_popescu a a [14:24]
punkman because it's been like a month [14:24]
fluffypony ah ok [14:25]
mircea_popescu did he at least entertain you periodically with stories ? [14:25]
punkman nah [14:26]
cazalla indians are good that way, their relatives are always in hospital [14:26]
fluffypony moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears [14:26]
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mircea_popescu a cookieoff! [14:28]
mircea_popescu fluffypony what does she do btw ? homemaking ? [14:28]
fluffypony lol no, she'd rather die [14:29]
mircea_popescu awww [14:29]
fluffypony she runs two of the business units in the group - and [14:29]
mircea_popescu o hey. [14:29]
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ozbot The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) [14:30]
mircea_popescu basically everything the mises circle releases paints them more like pretentious ignoramuses. [14:31]
mircea_popescu leaving aside for a second their complete inability TO FUCKING QUOTE. [14:32]
fluffypony what is the mises circle? investor group? [14:32]
mircea_popescu fluffypony nah, some academia derps who'd like to you know, matter. [14:32]
fluffypony lol [14:32]
mircea_popescu roughly the equivalent of the vc circuit making "bitcoin finance" cons and "bitcoin foundations" and whatnot. [14:32]
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mircea_popescu The Mises Circle was founded in January 2012 by Michael Goldstein, George McHugh, and Jose Niño, to provide a forum for scholarship in the Austrian economic tradition at the University of Texas at Austin. [14:33]
mircea_popescu basically a student newspaper. [14:33]
fluffypony LOL [14:34]
mircea_popescu [14:34]
pankkake I fail to see what's wrong with the article [14:35]
pankkake though it's only obvious things [14:35]
pankkake obvious isn't exactly obvious for altcoiners [14:36]
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mircea_popescu pankkake the notion that altcoins "will die", for instance. [14:37]
mircea_popescu it's not unlike to german heer derping about how tanks will make infantry obsolete. [14:37]
mircea_popescu that can't happen. a tank needs cover. [14:37]
pankkake they'll be increasingly less relevant, not more [14:38]
mircea_popescu their relevancy will wax and wane with government activity. [14:38]
pankkake what does that even mean? [14:39]
mircea_popescu the more govts derp, the more relevant they become. the less govts derp, the more they seem to fade. [14:39]
mircea_popescu anyway, basically that entire article is a poor rewrite of trilema material, by people who aren't quite smart enough or informed enough to be doing it. [14:41]
mircea_popescu cheifly, [14:41]
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peterl simple thermodynamics: altcoins exist, so some non-zero value must be in them. [14:43]
pankkake [14:44]
fluffypony pankkake: well what if a government outlaws Bitcoin but doesn't mention other cryptocurrencies? or they suddenly start locking people up because they can identify them, and then stuff like this Bytecoin thing with its ring signatures suddenly become appealing to people? [14:44]
pankkake what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks [14:45]
fluffypony ok so [14:45]
pankkake I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today [14:45]
fluffypony people are also stupid - I've had an argument with a friend in Cape Town who was considering accepting crypto at his store [14:45]
fluffypony physical store [14:45]
fluffypony and he goes "I'm going to accept Litecoin because it confirms faster, I don't want to keep customers waiting for Bitcoin confirmations" [14:45]
pankkake please… [14:45]
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fluffypony exactly [14:46]
fluffypony lol [14:46]
mircea_popescu what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks << no, i was discussing in general. [14:46]
mircea_popescu ltc is not a simple fork [14:46]
mircea_popescu if people want do discuss "simple forks of bitcoin" they're well advised to make their title read "simple forks of bitcoin" [14:47]
fluffypony lol - so apparently now everyone's a government plant - [14:49]
fluffypony "Danny = British gubmint. Ukyo = US gubmint. Mark = French gubmint." [14:50]
fluffypony "Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint" [14:50]
mircea_popescu romania has a gubmint ?! [14:50]
fluffypony apparently [14:51]
fluffypony and you're their plant [14:51]
fluffypony to manipulatez the cryptoz [14:51]
fluffypony clearly I'm the South African gubmint plant [14:51]
mircea_popescu hey, i guess romania wins then. [14:51]
mircea_popescu Even beyond these political and economic incentives, there is a process of cultural dekulakization: look no further than the young poor Whites who now call each other “nigga”. [14:52]
mircea_popescu i do confess this always strikes me as quite amusing. [14:52]
mircea_popescu i figure someone somewhere is definitely rubbing one off to the sound of white chattel going "ma nigga!" [14:53]
fluffypony I can see Justin Timberlake doing that [14:53]
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mircea_popescu did pankkake ragequit !? [14:55]
fluffypony yes [14:55]
mircea_popescu but...why [14:56]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: "[13:45:19] <+pankkake> I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today" [15:01]
fluffypony that's why [15:01]
mircea_popescu uh [15:01]
mircea_popescu dude that wasn't so much of a try. [15:01]
kakobrekla such hate. [15:02]
mircea_popescu well if anyone wants to pick it up... [15:03]
fluffypony ya know, maybe altcoins will eventually be like those in-store reward credits you get [15:04]
fluffypony more of a branding thing than anything else, with the advantage that they can be re-sold more easily than store credit [15:04]
mircea_popescu definitely will be some like that. [15:05]
fluffypony what are your thoughts on altcoins, mircea_popescu? [15:05]
thestringpuller pls deposit 1000 trilema credits for answer [15:06]
mircea_popescu lol [15:07]
fluffypony thestringpuller: Credits: 49985. [15:07]
fluffypony I have enough to cover it [15:07]
mircea_popescu wasn't i defending litecoin earlier on the grounds that it's good to have ? [15:07]
mircea_popescu i don't like obvious scams, a la doge / aurora / keisercoin / what have you [15:07]
mircea_popescu otherwise altcoins are a strategic imperative. [15:07]
fluffypony yeah [15:07]
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peterl now that TAT is out of MPIF, who is going to be the spread manager? [15:15]
HeySteve bobby lee has been proposed for "election" to bitcoin foundation board [15:16]
HeySteve [15:16]
peterl who's bobby lee? [15:16]
HeySteve god they're still going on about redlisting [15:16]
HeySteve head of BTC China [15:16]
fluffypony peterl: from BTC-China [15:17]
mircea_popescu peterl jurov, was announced yest [15:19]
mircea_popescu wasn't btc banned in china ? [15:19]
peterl several times [15:19]
mircea_popescu it's beyond me what the chinese are doing buying this crap [15:19]
mircea_popescu even if it is pretty cheap. [15:19]
bounce somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch [15:20]
mircea_popescu afaik bobby lee is a comedian, but anyway. [15:20]
bounce well, there's the government, and there's getting things done. the chinese appear to be quite used to the former getting in the way of the latter. [15:21]
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HeySteve on the plus side it's make things more international, the foundation being very US-centric is a common criticism [15:23]
HeySteve *it'd [15:23]
mircea_popescu bounce i put an order in. [15:24]
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kakobrekla morning lolz [15:31]
kakobrekla [15:31]
ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] [15:31]
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HeySteve “Bitcoin protocol is like an app store and Bitcoin is an app. Right now developers like us are pioneering new financial tools and utilities that are going to be added to the 'app store' – financial services like escrow and contracts.” [15:51]
HeySteve wow plz gief 1st escrow service ever [15:51]
HeySteve dunno if anyone heard of these comtracks either? [15:52]
HeySteve [15:52]
ozbot Newnote Financial: pioneering crypto-currency transactions as online currencies set to change the fa [15:52]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: pffft, financials, who needs them! [16:00]
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fluffypony HeySteve: "6 or 7 terahashes" - so like two ASICs? [16:01]
fluffypony why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that? [16:01]
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kakobrekla i dunno if you have been following the thread, but so far he spent more time typing out "im sorry theres no financial will do them asap" than it would took to actually make them [16:01]
fluffypony kakobrekla: lol [16:02]
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mircea_popescu bounce ask and ye shall receive : [16:05]
mircea_popescu [16:05]
ozbot Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [16:05]
HeySteve nice, now we need the t-shirt [16:05]
mircea_popescu HeySteve no way, moar innovative first ever etc ? [16:06]
kakobrekla t shirt should say "the first, the biggest, the best." nubbins` go! [16:06]
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HeySteve I think I'm just noticing too many Bitcoin people talk like Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley. CryptoAIDS, etc. [16:07]
kakobrekla ;;google gavin belson [16:07]
gribble Gavin Belson: Bio l Silicon Valley l HBO - ; 'Silicon Valley' review: Definitely a start-up to watch | ; Mike Judge's Uncanny Silicon Valley | TechCrunch: (1 more message) [16:07]
kakobrekla what is this even [16:08]
HeySteve it's a TV show about a startup in silicon valley [16:09]
HeySteve it's not very funny but has its moments. reddit was shouting to the moon because bitcoin was mentioned in last episode [16:09]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu:×90.png is brokened [16:10]
fluffypony so is the 468x60 [16:11]
kakobrekla that banner is hurting eyes [16:11]
HeySteve <+fluffypony> why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that? <-another syngeristic enterprise they're incorporating to save children from cancer is growing pot for SR 2.0 under lights in the basement. just my guess [16:13]
fluffypony smart [16:13]
fluffypony drukz+bitcoinz all in one investment "vehicle" [16:13]
HeySteve well mind you they're in canada [16:13]
fluffypony CannaBit 2.0 [16:13]
HeySteve some places that's legal there, so who knows [16:13]
kakobrekla take t his and change "Platinum" to "Anti" or something [16:14]
mircea_popescu and now, for the actual article i was writing : [16:14]
mircea_popescu you gotta see this movie. [16:14]
mircea_popescu fluffypony looking into ty [16:14]
kakobrekla that i would put on [16:14]
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HeySteve "Platiscam" [16:14]
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mircea_popescu -468×60.png [16:17]
mircea_popescu ffs. [16:17]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony pls to check nao ? [16:18]
fluffypony ok [16:18]
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fluffypony she's alive! [16:19]
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mircea_popescu which is your blog again ? [16:19]
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mircea_popescu i think it's still broked [16:21]
fluffypony [16:22]
fluffypony works [16:22]
fluffypony [16:22]
fluffypony works as well [16:22]
moiety aftermewn :D [16:22]
fluffypony moiety of the cookie factory! [16:22]
moiety moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears << win! how did they go? what kind did she make and has she ever tried shortbread? also can i just say whats wrong with homemaking? D: i don't feel like this would be bad if I were producing things around the house/garden and i could try and make things online. [16:22]
moiety o there you are [16:22]
moiety lol [16:23]
fluffypony moiety: she made choc chip cookies [16:23]
fluffypony I ate one before it cooled, so it was crumbly [16:23]
fluffypony but delicious [16:23]
jurov remind me to the banner my ex-boss has put on the building [16:23]
mircea_popescu << added you to teh list [16:23]
ozbot People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [16:23]
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jurov "This project was not funded by Europen Union" [16:24]
moiety [...]The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) << aw fuck, don't make me go into magic gathering cards now, i just made this thing work. [16:24]
mircea_popescu jurov lol [16:24]
mircea_popescu moiety you made what work! [16:24]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: cool tks [16:24]
moiety fluffypony: well most baked things are better just out of the oven, i have another pic! one sec [16:25]
mircea_popescu if pankkake isn't too pissed off maybe he also adds you to the assimilation [16:25]
HeySteve mircea_popescu, I have an article coming up you can add also [16:25]
moiety mircea_popescu: well apart from the derpage, the doge site is ticking over (sorry for the expletive :P) [16:25]
mircea_popescu HeySteve link it [16:26]
HeySteve mentions #bitcoin-assets and has some quotes here about that f2f thing [16:26]
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moiety Brownies!!! Warm right after bakerage! [16:26]
HeySteve I will, just waiting on publishing queue [16:26]
mircea_popescu HeySteve the list is you know, of bitcoin/personal blogs maintained by the locals [16:26]
SatoshiJack We have made some good progress over the week -- we are now up with atc -- and doing manual processing for withdraws for now. [16:26]
mircea_popescu moiety you got any atc / [16:27]
mircea_popescu ? [16:27]
moiety no i just passed out the website link a lot when people were looking for something [16:27]
moiety i dont have any alts at all for personal use [16:27]
mircea_popescu hm. [16:27]
moiety for why? [16:28]
mircea_popescu for i have a deal for you! you go gamble on that site, if you win we split the gains. [16:28]
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mircea_popescu SatoshiJack mind crediting her 10k atc ? i'll reimburse you when either pankkake or BingoBoingo get online. [16:29]
HeySteve mircea_popescu ok it's not my personal blog, there's other people there too [16:29]
moiety oh its atc? i thought it was alts in general [16:29]
HeySteve but it's always about bitcoin stuff [16:29]
SatoshiJack no prob... there is free play as well --- give me an atc addy and I'll loan anyone 5K to play right now :) [16:29]
moiety im hideously unlucky, i'm not risking losing anything for you! [16:29]
mircea_popescu moiety hit it baby. [16:29]
SatoshiJack loan = give in this place [16:29]
fluffypony [16:30]
mircea_popescu fluffypony add it as a comment ? [16:30]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: will do, just making a couple of other dimensions [16:30]
jurov SatoshiJack: 1HgZrzrURJkGCQGeY23NzXGRRALdT9qfeX [16:32]
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moiety who wrote this thing? [16:32]
moiety Dogecoin is the highest form of satire. << lolol [16:34]
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moiety what site is this we are talking about re atc anyways [16:38]
mircea_popescu [16:38]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino. [16:39]
Apocalyptic o. [16:39]
mircea_popescu if you're still maintaining that thread or w/e [16:39]
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HeySteve do you guys think it's useful to have a special wallet that automatically divides payments up into apportioned shares to a bunch of wallets it sends on to? [16:45]
mircea_popescu useful for what ? [16:46]
HeySteve I don't know, maybe donations or payments depending how the co. is set up [16:47]
mircea_popescu well if you don't know what for, it can't possibly be useful [16:49]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in the us, Engineer = 1900 Can build a bridge ; 1960 Can assemble computer from parts ; 1995 Knows how to compile kernel ; 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery [16:50]
moiety urgh QTs do not like me... ever [16:50]
mircea_popescu davout [16:51]
HeySteve ok let's say people have a pre-existing arrangement to divide all BTC income. instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it, it goes to this service (which hopefully we don't need to trust) [16:51]
fluffypony you missed a 2000 Learns to make animated GIFs for his Geocities homepage [16:51]
mircea_popescu << apparently people break up in spring. [16:51]
mircea_popescu hence "spring break" [16:52]
fluffypony lol - [16:52]
Azelphur !up CheckDavid [16:52]
assbot Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes. [16:52]
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fluffypony HeySteve: multi-sig is the solution to that problem [16:53]
Apocalyptic how is it the solution ? [16:53]
fluffypony Apocalyptic: if it's being distributed among 5 people then make it a 5 of 5 wallet [16:53]
fluffypony or 4 of 5 if you're worried someone might die [16:54]
Apocalyptic i think this is not the model he wants to achieve [16:54]
mircea_popescu i can;t imagine a situation where the splitting of the coin is the point of failure. [16:54]
Apocalyptic without additionnal details we can only speculate, but it seems to me he wants to divide it so that each party can use their coins [16:54]
Apocalyptic irrespective of what the other do (or rather do not) sign [16:55]
jurov HeySteve: mining pools do it since forever, no? [16:55]
Apocalyptic " instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it," [16:56]
Apocalyptic except p2pool, the pool operator is trusted jurov afaik [16:56]
HeySteve jurov do you know how they do it? I'm guessing it's a bit of clever code but not necessarily something the regular user could use [16:56]
HeySteve I will know more when the guy publishes it [16:56]
jurov it depends what is the income from [16:57]
HeySteve don't have much more detail at this point [16:57]
HeySteve if the service is trustworthy, it could lower busywork for the treasurer of projects for eg. [16:58]
CheckDavid How does one become trusted by assbot ? [17:00]
CheckDavid Like. Directly? [17:00]
CheckDavid Is it controlled by the creator? [17:01]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid there's no clear process as of yet. why ? [17:01]
CheckDavid Pure curiosity [17:01]
fluffypony CheckDavid: [17:01]
fluffypony you can !up yourself if you're in assbot's L2 trust [17:02]
CheckDavid I know [17:02]
moiety lol "spring clean" breakups. probably bitter chicks that got nothing on valentines day. [17:02]
jurov he asks how to get into direct trust with assbot [17:02]
fluffypony CheckDavid: ah ok sorry, thought that's what you were alluding to [17:02]
CheckDavid :) [17:03]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid prolly there's going to be a panel o nthe next conference where we sit down and see if anyone needs to be added/removed. [17:03]
CheckDavid I see. [17:03]
mircea_popescu moiety nothing like no nookie or like no cookie ? [17:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [-] [17:05]
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moiety lol probably for some. the christmas one is true, my ex would disappear for weeks over christmas and birthdays so he didnt have to get me anything [17:05]
kakobrekla basically it works on bribes atm. [17:06]
mircea_popescu moiety wow. [17:06]
mircea_popescu omg kakobrekla selling dignities [17:06]
kakobrekla church said is ok. [17:06]
mircea_popescu you know that means we eat you right ? [17:07]
kakobrekla you know im not going to the next conf right ? [17:07]
mircea_popescu aw come on! [17:07]
mircea_popescu eleventy [17:07]
asciilifeform kakobrekla needs amphibious car [17:08]
mircea_popescu lol [17:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla what if you die before you see the sexy midgets of patagonia ? [17:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 1900 Can build a bridge... 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery << lolll! [17:09]
CheckDavid So if someone has l2 trust relative to assbot [17:10]
CheckDavid And adds someone to their trust list [17:10]
CheckDavid That someone is l3 ? [17:10]
mircea_popescu so i think i've reached a new low. i'm starving but too lazy to either make anything or order someone to make something or order a car to go to eat out or any other alternative. [17:10]
mircea_popescu i guess i lose weight. [17:10]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid yes [17:10]
peterl CheckDavid: yes, but only up to l2 can voice themself [17:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu Gödelian diet [17:11]
jurov inb4 mircea_popescu orders soylent [17:11]
fluffypony I like NotLambChop [17:11]
CheckDavid So only those who have l1 can afford l2 trust to someone [17:11]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid yes [17:11]
CheckDavid :o [17:11]
jadne jborkl_ jespern Jezzz jMyles joecool joesmoe JoshG julles jurov justusranvier [17:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform is it ? srsly ? jurov nah, i could have boobmilk but meh. too sweet. [17:11]
peterl mircea_popescu: it is times like these you should have raw-edible foods on hand [17:12]
mircea_popescu i do [17:12]
mircea_popescu too lazy to fucking chew [17:12]
moiety mircea_popescu: do we have to get you a usb toaster? [17:12]
mircea_popescu i have almonds walnuts hazels bananas oranges apples and etfc. [17:13]
jurov moiety how'd that help with chewing? [17:13]
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moiety i just read that bit [17:13]
moiety usb blender? [17:13]
mircea_popescu i also have various cakes, and milk [17:13]
mircea_popescu i can't be bothered to drink milk. i think maybe the issue is, i've been overfeeding myself [17:13]
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peterl you need some IV nutrients? [17:14]
mircea_popescu i'll just ride it out, see what happens. [17:14]
moiety i get like that when ive been grazing too much. don't get up the want for an actual meal [17:14]
mircea_popescu wait, you're an actual cow ?! [17:14]
moiety moooo :D [17:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: over here we have these special foods for people too lazy to eat (or, nominally, athletes) - little bars made of a substance resembling cat food [17:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have a stack of hand made pralines, those count ? [17:15]
asciilifeform nah pralines are tasty [17:15]
mircea_popescu [17:16]
asciilifeform lol [17:18]
fluffypony over hear when I'm too lazy to eat I pour myself a beer [17:18]
fluffypony it's like a loaf of bread [17:18]
fluffypony but without chewing [17:18]
moiety dude my eyes D; [17:18]
peterl only if it is good beer [17:18]
mircea_popescu moiety what, she's got great teats. [17:18]
moiety guiness is like a meal. i can't handle it [17:19]
moiety she has udders mircea_popescu [17:19]
fluffypony moiety: that's what makes it so perfect :) [17:19]
kakobrekla kakobrekla needs amphibious car <- is this some weird rehash of golf cart joke ? [17:19]
moiety fluffypony: half a pint and i feel like i have drunk bricks [17:19]
mircea_popescu Age: 23, Height: 5ft 5in (165 cm), Weight: 317 lbs. [17:19]
mircea_popescu this must be a misprint [17:19]
moiety you get a funny moustache though :{D [17:20]
fluffypony moiety: as long as you don't shit bricks it's fine [17:20]
kakobrekla ;;google midgets of patagonia [17:20]
gribble Patagonia Rock Climbing Ambassador Kate Rutherford: ; Translation of midget in German - Vocabulix: ; Patagonia Snow: Built for the Deepest Days - YouTube: [17:20]
moiety no but makes me look a bit pregnant which doesn't go down so well in a drinking situation fluffypony XD [17:21]
fluffypony lol [17:21]
asciilifeform moiety should go to next meetup, pet colocolos [17:21]
kakobrekla those dont seem to famous mircea_popescu . [17:22]
asciilifeform then convince mp to go kazahstan next year - pet manul [17:22]
kakobrekla too* [17:22]
moiety totally tastes heavy too .. just urgh. craft ipa's ftw! [17:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla the... moderately famous midgets of patagonia ? [17:22]
moiety re conf : i was so jealous of your pics! looked fun D; [17:22]
kakobrekla asciilifeform id take the nuke sub ride if you come around making one. [17:23]
mircea_popescu anyway, you ever did a black woman ? how about a creole woman ? how about etc. [17:23]
mircea_popescu gotta live to shit on each continent, i say. [17:23]
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mircea_popescu i did europe, africa and asia so far... north and i guess central america. [17:23]
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* moiety version - live to pet a native cat on each continent* [17:24]
kakobrekla i dunno, the next continent i would hope would be on another planet [17:24]
kakobrekla i visit* [17:24]
moiety kakobrekla: have you applied to mars one? [17:24]
kakobrekla put it together. [17:24]
asciilifeform hard to pet native cat in... australia [17:24]
kakobrekla moiety lets have the waters tested first. [17:25]
mircea_popescu ;;google australia native kitten [17:25]
gribble Feral cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Great Australian Cat Dilemma - Messybeast: ; Cats and Wildlife - Good Cat SA: [17:25]
moiety i'd take a domestic that's lived all its life there asciilifeform [17:25]
jurov antarctica? [17:25]
moiety now wait .. i think there is something there jurov [17:25]
jurov but i guess moiety'll gladly accept a penguin instead [17:25]
moiety i may be thinking of a fox but hang on [17:26]
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moiety and yes, entirely true jurov [17:26]
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asciilifeform ;;google true penguin [17:26]
gribble Nine Insane (But True) Penguin Facts | Animal-Free Entertainment ...: ; Pierre the Penguin: A True Story: Jean Marzollo, Laura Regan ...: ; Explorer returns to emperor penguin colony in search of a true count: (1 more message) [17:26]
asciilifeform ;;google true penguin extinct [17:26]
gribble True Penguins Are All Extinct - KnowledgeNuts: ; Pikas, Polar Bears, Penguins Go Extinct | Real Science: ; Are penguins extinct - Wiki Answers: [17:26]
kakobrekla yeah well 99% or so of all species ever existed are gone [17:27]
moiety yeahhh imma have to make do with a small fox in antarctica the cats that have been there were only visiting [17:28]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: sub << [17:29]
kakobrekla is he gonna bill him for wrong parking or what [17:30]
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asciilifeform [17:30]
ozbot Sleepy walrus on a Russian submarine - Us Vs Th3m [17:31]
asciilifeform 'comrade walrus is ready for Captain’s table' [17:31]
asciilifeform sub's gonna need wheels, so we can pick up mp [17:31]
mircea_popescu fuck you, i'm a dragon. [17:32]
mircea_popescu i fly. [17:32]
asciilifeform lol, then we've got our ride. [17:32]
kakobrekla i thought the lions always wins [17:32]
mircea_popescu a manticore is kinda like a lion-dragon [17:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18496 @ 0.00094668 = 17.5098 BTC [-] [17:39]
asciilifeform what's an old uboat cost, anyway. [17:40]
mircea_popescu ;;google alibaba old uboat [17:40]
gribble Poznań - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Popular U Boat Xxi | Aliexpress: ; Used Kayak, Used Kayak Products, Used Kayak ... - [17:41]
asciilifeform fund with miners (seawater cooling) [17:41]
mircea_popescu diesel elec is expensive. [17:41]
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* asciilifeform wonders if there ever lived a boy who didn't want uboat [17:43]
fluffypony that's not bad, $28 - [17:43]
asciilifeform well, post-1920 [17:43]
fluffypony :-P [17:43]
* jurov wonders abut range on batteries [17:44]
fluffypony I remember making a TNG Enterprise paper model [17:44]
fluffypony was so messy [17:44]
asciilifeform incidentally, interesting historical figure, largely unknown in english world - captain marinesko. [17:45]
peterl use nuclear powered sumarine to power miners? [17:45]
asciilifeform peterl: i suggested this once. free electric, cooling. [17:45]
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jurov they quote $200-300mil [17:46]
asciilifeform jurov: about same cost as a three-story office in palo alto. [17:47]
jurov or on cyprus lol...maybe danny bought one [17:47]
moiety fuck you, i'm a dragon. << lol please bash this [17:47]
kakobrekla moiety , time to learn how to bash [17:48]
moiety i did before! i wasnt accepted D; [17:48]
kakobrekla blame it on the mods [17:48]
Apocalyptic he means blame it on kako [17:49]
jurov there are other mods [17:49]
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kakobrekla kakobrekla ircing lcc is no loger liable for any past or present action or involved in the moderation of this project in any way. it is fully in withing the rigts of kakobrekla ircing lcc to blame it on the mods. [17:49]
mircea_popescu haha [17:50]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [17:50]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( [17:50]
Apocalyptic there are other mods // I know [17:50]
moiety ok im pending [17:50]
moiety damn, the way you did it is a bit easier [17:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform is he that romanian dude that sunk a german ship ? [17:52]
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bounce ukrainian with a romanian sailor for a dad [17:53]
HeySteve lol is this where the Crimea bet comes from? [17:54]
fluffypony [17:54]
ozbot How China Sinks Bitcoin - South Park Style - Imgur [17:54]
mircea_popescu bounce romanian with an ukrainian mother ? [17:54]
bounce ``His father had fled to Russia after beating an officer'' -- such karma [17:55]
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bounce born there, so, depends on the various laws involved [17:56]
mircea_popescu odessa is this russian town the romanians kept invading. [17:57]
fluffypony and also a place in Texas [17:57]
bounce filthy texan name stealers [17:58]
fluffypony I only know that from watching Heroes [17:58]
mircea_popescu (the russians got it from the ottomans, and before that i dont recall, prolly tatars) [17:58]
mircea_popescu before that greek, of course. [17:58]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino. /// i sullied my boots and updated the forum [18:03]
bounce -- lots of drama [18:03]
ozbot Alexander Marinesko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [18:03]
ThickAsThieves however seems to be down for some ungodly reason [18:03]
HeySteve [18:04]
ozbot We will nationalise oceans - EFF - Politics | IOL News | [18:04]
ThickAsThieves the whole website is an html file, so this should be interesting... [18:04]
mircea_popescu the electronic frontier foundation ?! [18:05]
jurov ThickAsThieves: how much did you pay for hosting? [18:05]
bounce "economic freedom fighters", proposing to "mine" the oceans and free them from fish! [18:05]
HeySteve our intellectual aristocracy in full roar [18:06]
ThickAsThieves jurov i dunno, i think it's a namecheap package [18:06]
mircea_popescu “If we nationalise it, then the people on the ground will benefit, not capitalists. These big companies come to Cape Town and they fish as much as they want and then when a normal or poor person goes to do the same, they are given a quota. [18:06]
mircea_popescu how true is that ? [18:06]
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bounce so true, totally. because, capitalists are like, companies and shit. [18:06]
mircea_popescu “They take a few thousand people, then they eat on our behalf, then they are telling us we are OK.” [18:07]
mircea_popescu bounce well if it's true then the quotas have to go. [18:07]
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bounce I'm reminded of that "computers are racist" thing [18:07]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: all of their claims are gross exaggerations or outrightly false, but that's politics for you [18:09]
bounce those quota are there so the next generation will still be able to fish. if they don't work, make'em work, not speed up the fish' extinction a bit. [18:09]
fluffypony thankfully they don't have a phenomenally big following, mostly disgruntled ex-ANC Youth League guys [18:10]
bounce so I'd say that the problem looks like corruption and that's got to go. but if you can't even name the problem accurately, then you're spouting nonsense. [18:10]
mircea_popescu bounce just take the quotas away, permit fishing only for people. [18:10]
mircea_popescu solves the problem, cause you can't fucking extinguish fisheries with a line [18:10]
mircea_popescu but you can feed yourself. [18:10]
mircea_popescu generally speaking, disallowing corporations from owning certain classes of goods is the way to go. currently persons may not own guns, various substances, etc. [18:11]
mircea_popescu this is silly. it should work the other way around : no corporation may own real estate or any foodstuffs [18:12]
mircea_popescu suddenly you don't need zoning laws anymore. [18:12]
moiety ThickAsThieves: do i have to make my own config file for atc? im not an alt person at all [18:12]
bounce it'd be a neat idea if it worked. but now we have a million fishermen fishing for delivery to bigger companies. oversight goes down, quality of fish goes down, loss goes up, total fishing goes up [18:12]
ThickAsThieves ok site works now [18:12]
ThickAsThieves dunno what was up [18:12]
ThickAsThieves i just logged in [18:12]
ThickAsThieves :/ [18:12]
mircea_popescu bounce there's no corp that may take delivery of fish. [18:12]
ThickAsThieves moiety you'll probably wanna use a pool [18:13]
ThickAsThieves there are two i know of [18:13]
moiety i just want to qt to sync [18:13]
bounce "corporation" also includes the lone fisherman incorporating his boat for tax and financing reasons. you'd also have to amend tax codes and whatnot. [18:13]
ThickAsThieves oh you need a node then [18:13]
ThickAsThieves we have a channel #altcoin [18:14]
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mircea_popescu bounce sure. no tax on either these classes. [18:14]
ThickAsThieves and pankakke is better at support than me, i'll look at my config though [18:14]
ThickAsThieves Nodes:,,, [18:14]
moiety ty! [18:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00094636 = 16.8925 BTC [-] {2} [18:14]
ThickAsThieves ty! [18:14]
bounce interesting though experiment, but it has rather far-reaching implications. no corp can take delivery of fish? that's no fish exports, no fish in the supermarkets, no fish in restaurants, and so on. [18:16]
mircea_popescu bounce unless it's a person run restaurant. [18:17]
bounce so now the cook and the maitre'd are no longer working for the same boss [18:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, from what i understand, the problem there specifically is that people are stupid, and western style corps are pwning them [18:17]
mircea_popescu restricting access to essentials would allow a softer transition. [18:17]
mircea_popescu ie, they don't have or want or could support a proper restaurant [18:17]
bounce but this is cape town, where western style business has been around for how long? [18:18]
mircea_popescu they just try to get enough food on the table. [18:18]
mircea_popescu you mean around among whites ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu afaik (and i have no clue, so don't be shy in disabusing me of false notions) it never happened among black people. [18:18]
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bounce this is something for fluffypony to eludiate, I think. whites have been out and about there for a while, true enough. [18:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, the general point im proceeding from is that their problem is corporatism, and how it outcompetes their own dumb heads. the solution of pushing things further up the chain, through nationalisation (giving it to the state, the largest corp of them all) is exactly wrong [18:19]
mircea_popescu should go the other way [18:19]
* fluffypony reads up [18:19]
bounce that I'll agree with. but that's politics, and we already more or less established that the politics of there are a bit fscked up [18:20]
fluffypony tbh there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape Town [18:20]
fluffypony they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little tug boats [18:20]
mircea_popescu fluffypony but how much of the caught fish is caught by their little tug boats, as a % ? [18:21]
mircea_popescu more than say about 15% ? [18:21]
fluffypony and you can go to the harbour in the morning where their wives sell the fish the husbands caught [18:21]
decimation re: corps owning guns :: in the US there is a well-known loophole around the background check laws - if the "owners" are both officers of a "corporation", no transfer papers are needed, and the corp owns the gun [18:22]
fluffypony there are a number of fishing communities like that [18:22]
decimation Therefore in the US corporations are priviledged to share guns as they see fit, people are not [18:22]
bounce so assign the gun to an llc and pass that around instead? [18:22]
mircea_popescu decimation exactly my point. [18:23]
mircea_popescu bounce most rich people with a large gun stash and tax attorney have a gun llc [18:23]
fluffypony sorry internet died [18:23]
fluffypony well they fish a lot less than the corporates, for sure, but in the many times I went to the harbour to buy fish I never had any of them complain to me about restrictions or limits [18:23]
decimation or a trust [18:23]
ThickAsThieves Casino link added to, thread updated as well! [18:23]
mircea_popescu decimation yeah that gets into various local details. same principle tho. [18:23]
bounce "rent a gun", where you rent (officership in) "gun #n llc" and get the gun as a perquisite [18:24]
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mircea_popescu that doesn't work afaik [18:24]
decimation in fact, perfectly reasonable things like suppressors and silencers MUST be shared this way, because non-licensed people cannot trade them at all [18:24]
decimation so, you and your son want to plink with .22 but don't want to blow out ears: must form gun corp [18:25]
mircea_popescu fluffypony so whyd they be complaining to you, or what'd that do. [18:25]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: you become friends with them [18:25]
fluffypony you deal with the same people, haggle over price, talk about the best way to cook the fish [18:25]
fluffypony they seem reasonably content [18:25]
mircea_popescu i get the concept [18:26]
bounce might ask them what they think about this "eff" bunch and their position [18:26]
fluffypony the root of the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back to the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6 [18:26]
mircea_popescu but still " I never had any of them complain" is a weak counter [18:26]
fluffypony like you get taught reading, writing, a bit of geography and history, and enough maths to add stuff up [18:26]
mircea_popescu fluffypony well that's what i said. they get outcompeted. cause stupid. [18:26]
bounce it still smells like cheap populism to me, but there could be a bigger point buried under the poor rhetoric [18:26]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: it goes further though [18:26]
fluffypony because the government's "solution" post-1994 to the white management class [18:27]
fluffypony was to enforce BEE rules [18:27]
mircea_popescu no idea what bee is [18:27]
fluffypony Black Economic Empowerment [18:27]
fluffypony affirmative action [18:27]
mircea_popescu you mean that nut that took over rhodesia ? [18:27]
fluffypony so companies hired and promoted black management who were NOT equipped to managed, who were NOT educated [18:27]
bounce how's the schooling situation now then? [18:28]
fluffypony for instance, in the late 90s the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and tiling business [18:28]
mircea_popescu yeah yeah. nobody seriously considers the shit they did "post colonialism" makes any sense. [18:28]
fluffypony government threatened to drop his contracts because he wasn't BEE compliant [18:28]
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fluffypony he took his gardener on as a business partner [18:28]
fluffypony and gave him 51% of the company to sign some documents [18:28]
fluffypony gardener gets a nice salary [18:29]
fluffypony but fast forward a few years and the gardener realises he has a controlling interest [18:29]
fluffypony and wants to "manage" and get more money [18:29]
fluffypony which leads to the company imploding, obviously [18:29]
decimation what's the difference between these bee rules and the local mafia demanding payment to not ruin your business? [18:29]
mircea_popescu this is so ridiculous. the same principle displayed at work in disgrace, the malkovich film [18:29]
fluffypony decimation: nothing - which is why they've been heavily criticised over the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid" [18:30]
fluffypony which is what it's done [18:30]
mircea_popescu decimation that the mafia works in a white majority, trying to make ends meet for a legitimately opressed minority [18:30]
fluffypony black fat cats sitting at the top of the food chain through no effort or hard work or brilliance [18:30]
decimation well, because all the white liberals worldwide thought that if you just gave blacks the whip hand everything would work out [18:30]
mircea_popescu whereas the bee stuff works in a black majority, trying to redistribute the revenue of the whites more towards the majority [18:30]
decimation instead of creating apocolypse now [18:30]
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fluffypony and the thing is, BEE doesn't empower the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone to university and are willing and able to work hard [18:31]
fluffypony it just creates a sense of entitlement among the lazy [18:31]
decimation yeah the blacks willing to make something themselves are probably the most screwed [18:31]
mircea_popescu basically it tries for a saudi arabia [18:31]
decimation just like in the US [18:31]
mircea_popescu except instead of oil... it's suckers. [18:31]
fluffypony also, because of BEE there were a TON of educated white guys from the late 90s till like 2010 who left South Africa because they couldn't get a job [18:32]
mircea_popescu the model is unsurprisingly pushed by the us, seeing how sa was their only ally for a long time. [18:32]
fluffypony I'm talking like doctors and programmers and lawyers and chartered accountants and stuff [18:32]
decimation absolutely. SA is now living the American dream [18:32]
fluffypony so then you have a brain-drain situation [18:32]
fluffypony where they go "oh shit we have too few doctors" [18:32]
decimation just like Rhodesia, Congo, etc [18:32]
decimation Liberia was the old American dream [18:33]
fluffypony and they solve that by handing out education grants and pushing the wrong candidates through a medical degree [18:33]
mircea_popescu fluffypony as you describe it, the only business i'd consider running in south africa would be something like kidnapping young women to be transported for sex work or somesuch. [18:33]
mircea_popescu basically... they've got africa back to 1700. [18:33]
fluffypony so government healthcare just gets progressively worse [18:33]
fluffypony lol [18:33]
decimation they would probably go willingly if you paid their visa and airfare to somewhere civilized [18:33]
mircea_popescu decimation no, because they're too stupid to figure it out. [18:33]
mircea_popescu gotta buy them from the tribe chieftain. [18:34]
decimation true; those with that gumption are already gone [18:34]
mircea_popescu easier, faster, less gab. [18:34]
fluffypony it's gotten better - the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received the same education as whites since the mid 1990s when Model C schools became the norm [18:34]
mircea_popescu the only reason this isn't happening right now is that, of course, a nude teenager is not worth money, generally speaking. [18:34]
fluffypony (mixed black/white/coloured etc.) [18:34]
fluffypony so I think the over-correction is normalising [18:35]
mircea_popescu fluffypony well so maybe in another... 20-30 years ? things even out [18:35]
fluffypony and we're actually starting to see expats slowly move back into the country [18:35]
fluffypony yeah pretty much, 20-30 years and things will even out a lot [18:35]
fluffypony assuming they don't fuck it all up in the interim [18:35]
mircea_popescu you ever seen disgrace, btw ? the movie. [18:36]
fluffypony yes - the book is also excellent [18:36]
mircea_popescu how accurate would you say the backdrop is ? [18:38]
fluffypony pretty accurate - the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on) [18:40]
bounce heh. you should like a saudi arabia of suckers. high quality chumpatron at state level. [18:40]
decimation re: black fat cats in SA: [18:41]
bounce farmers typically kept dogs (or geese) for alarm bells [18:41]
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decimation my favorite SA movie: Zulu [18:41]
fluffypony bounce: yep, but when you've got 20 guys who are poverty-stricken, desperate, and armed...well... [18:42]
fluffypony by the time the police arrive it's all over [18:42]
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bounce hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge. how hard is it to actually start a farm (first small, then decent-sized) legally? [18:44]
fluffypony bounce: the government has been pushing HARD in that space [18:45]
fluffypony what they're doing is buying arable land from farmers [18:45]
fluffypony at more than it's worth (so the farmers don't get screwed) [18:45]
fluffypony then they portion it up [18:46]
fluffypony and give it to small farmers that have already demonstrated they can farm sustainably, at least for themselves [18:46]
fluffypony and they give them a ton of education on farm management etc. [18:46]
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fluffypony plus a lot of the supermarket chains are getting into that whole "support the small farmer" thing and buying from those guys [18:46]
fluffypony the problem is that a lot of the poor in urban areas just beg at robots [18:48]
fluffypony sorry traffic lights, we call them robots [18:48]
fluffypony or they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done [18:48]
mircea_popescu hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge <<< it's not the knowledge. it's the attitude. [18:48]
mircea_popescu look at all the fuckwits starting "bitcoin businesses", a la danny [18:49]
fluffypony and because they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything that takes actual effort? [18:49]
mircea_popescu they think they know shit, is the problem, and they don't see why they should put inb the hard work of reading the logs for a year. [18:49]
mircea_popescu exactly. [18:49]
decimation well, and their government doesn't exactly work hard to dibuse them of the notion that they need to depend on them for handouts [18:50]
mircea_popescu and if you do what romania did with the displaced farm youth / urban poor youth [18:50]
mircea_popescu ie, send them to work camps [18:50]
mircea_popescu it'll look a little nazi in sa. [18:50]
fluffypony decimation: yes - politicians *PROMISED* them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when they don't get it they complain that the politicians are going back on their promise [18:51]
kakobrekla logs arent the magic cure [18:51]
mircea_popescu i bet you they are. [18:51]
fluffypony and to be fair, I understand why they promised those things - they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and the politicians wanted to correct that [18:51]
mircea_popescu i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid. [18:51]
kakobrekla xapo. [18:51]
kakobrekla now pay up [18:51]
fluffypony lawl xapo [18:52]
mircea_popescu in fact, no WC in the world would be as close. [18:52]
mircea_popescu ooops i mean vc. [18:52]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla how does xapo disprove anything ? [18:52]
kakobrekla im pretty sure i dont have to explain it. [18:52]
mircea_popescu is your thesis that wences has been reading the logs or what ? [18:53]
kakobrekla more or less [18:53]
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kakobrekla befre he left ofc [18:54]
mircea_popescu ;;seen wences [18:54]
gribble wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: mircea, are you here? [18:54]
mircea_popescu 1 year ago this chan was not 1 year old. [18:54]
mircea_popescu he was here for a little bit, but it was weeks really iirc. [18:54]
kakobrekla so you are saying like one should read the new testament and not the old :D [18:55]
bounce "gaining IQ by reading", huh. magic! [18:55]
mircea_popescu all this aside : the guy made lemon and sold it out. then is making xapo [18:55]
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mircea_popescu this does not compare to your average bitcoin stupid in any sense. [18:55]
mircea_popescu bounce it's a fact. there's 30 to 35 iq points buried in there. [18:55]
kakobrekla myea arite [18:56]
bounce anyway, the "hypothetically speaking" was there to say I wanted to know whether there were any real obstacles for those willing -- that many aren't willing we already know. [18:56]
mircea_popescu [18:56]
bounce (don't be too smart reading this magic text, you might go off the scale!) [18:56]
* fluffypony ponders [18:56]
mircea_popescu bounce it just tapers out [18:56]
bounce that thing with the land giveaway, worked well enough for those in the program then? [18:57]
fluffypony bounce: yes, there have been some instances of burn-out where the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot to do anything else [18:57]
mircea_popescu epic [18:57]
fluffypony but generally speaking it's working ok [18:57]
fluffypony but those guys that want to work hard are the minority [18:58]
mircea_popescu your words shock me. [18:58]
fluffypony I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone to want to work hard in the Land of Handouts [18:59]
mircea_popescu in my experience it's usually the women that want to work hard [18:59]
mircea_popescu with the men wanting to talk loudly. [19:00]
fluffypony very true [19:00]
bounce to the point that it's /not done/ among certain kinds of "socialists" to mention handouts-a-go-go doesn't always work (the /ruling/ kind of socialists, often enough *sigh*) [19:00]
fluffypony lots of families where the wife is a maid, and the husband does nothing [19:00]
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mircea_popescu this is historically and geographically stable, too. i have writings from 1880s romania describing the exact same problem [19:03]
ThickAsThieves <+bounce> somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch /// check out my new footer logo! [19:04]
fluffypony lol [19:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+] [19:08]
bounce :) [19:10]
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fluffypony benkay: werd [19:10]
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decimation re: democracy encouraging laziness: " [19:12]
decimation In response to the question of whether the current government has the consent of the governed, only 22 percent of likely voters say ?yes.? The partisan divide is marked; Democrats split evenly, but only 8 percent of Republicans say yes. These are scary numbers, particularly when one considers that many of the ?no consent? Democrats are probably on the left, denying the legitimacy of a government that does not do more for them. [19:12]
benkay what's that, fluffypony ? [19:13]
fluffypony benkay: it's like word but with an e [19:14]
fluffypony :-P [19:14]
benkay i'm entirely competent with the slang, fluffypony, it's the meaning and significance that's escaping me. [19:15]
benkay ;;later tell mircea_popescu of course i meant comprised thank you [19:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:15]
fluffypony benkay: seemed more fun than saying hi :) [19:16]
benkay that man reads far too closely [19:16]
ThickAsThieves i saw it too, but i was on my tablet hald asleep so didnt warn you ;) [19:17]
ThickAsThieves half* [19:17]
jurov you sleep on your tablet? [19:19]
kakobrekla its actually a book [19:20]
jurov yes i saw..not very good pillow either [19:20]
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benkay ;;later tell mircea_popescu that then makes two for you eh ? << i've only outright killed the one. [19:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:20]
kakobrekla meh, nothing to read on the forum [19:21]
ThickAsThieves i broke the book cover btw [19:21]
ThickAsThieves dropped it off a chair and now a piece chipped off [19:21]
kakobrekla im out of excuses not to do work nao [19:21]
kakobrekla yes ascii i already read your blog on monday. the whole. [19:22]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves leave a sauce ion the trilema article too ? [19:27]
ThickAsThieves ah what now? [19:28]
mircea_popescu [19:28]
ozbot Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:28]
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ThickAsThieves ah [19:29]
mircea_popescu put a link to your banner in comment section [19:29]
mircea_popescu open source hatebanner resoruce. [19:29]
ThickAsThieves done [19:29]
mircea_popescu why ty. [19:30]
ThickAsThieves no ty [19:30]
ThickAsThieves yknow reading your slave article made me realize i was a bit depressed over the matter [19:31]
ThickAsThieves not your fault [19:31]
ThickAsThieves just sayin [19:31]
mircea_popescu i make it my job to bother people exactly in this manner. [19:31]
mircea_popescu if you can live with it you can, if not you'll do something about it, but in no case can it be that you just... never knew. [19:32]
thestringpuller oh nice anti-bitcoin foundation [19:32]
ThickAsThieves it's a big problem [19:32]
ThickAsThieves not just something that can be resolved in a moment [19:33]
mircea_popescu clearly. [19:33]
mircea_popescu and for most people... Too Big To Solve. [19:33]
ThickAsThieves well that's just it, it's like deciding to get a sex change or some shit [19:34]
mircea_popescu an apt analogy huh. [19:34]
mircea_popescu yeah, it is. [19:34]
ThickAsThieves yep exactly like it on so many levels [19:34]
thestringpuller except moving from your home doesn't you know isn't irreversible [19:35]
thestringpuller -doesn't* [19:35]
ThickAsThieves well you can split hairs [19:35]
ThickAsThieves but it really is upheaval, expense, it affects everyone you care about [19:36]
ThickAsThieves etc [19:36]
decimation the time away from home is irretrievable [19:36]
ThickAsThieves and if you do it right, it is not reversible [19:36]
thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: you got kids [19:36]
thestringpuller ?* [19:36]
ThickAsThieves not yet [19:37]
ThickAsThieves also a factor though [19:37]
thestringpuller then how deep can your roots really go? [19:37]
thestringpuller also why not spread seeds everywhere [19:37]
thestringpuller own property international... [19:37]
ThickAsThieves well i have a wife, and we each have families [19:37]
decimation USG is not a fan of international property ownership [19:38]
ThickAsThieves we have properties, businesses, careers [19:38]
ThickAsThieves fuck, even have cats is an issue [19:38]
ThickAsThieves having [19:38]
decimation [19:38]
thestringpuller "Perhaps if this had happened 10 years earlier." [19:38]
ozbot IRS Reminds Those with Foreign Assets of U.S. Tax Obligations [19:38]
thestringpuller I what this sounds like. [19:38]
thestringpuller Is* [19:38]
decimation corporations can be international though; that's cool [19:39]
ThickAsThieves if i were single i'd be leaving already, sure [19:39]
bounce man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit. [19:39]
ThickAsThieves that was 8 years ago [19:39]
ThickAsThieves so sure [19:39]
ThickAsThieves but 8 years ago i had nothing [19:39]
ThickAsThieves a Jeep and a dream [19:39]
ThickAsThieves 8 years ago i had already just left my home state [19:40]
ThickAsThieves 10* [19:40]
fluffypony bounce: I'm waiting to see one in the wild ;) [19:41]
ThickAsThieves lol i didnt even see the BTC Foundation article [19:43]
thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: so you when does TaTI go international? [19:43]
ThickAsThieves those are some horrible banners indeed! [19:43]
thestringpuller damn I can't type today [19:43]
ThickAsThieves thestringpuller, what you seem to have missed, [19:43]
ThickAsThieves is that TATI does not and cannot exist [19:43]
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fluffypony oh tomorrow is Freedom Day here (celebrates the abolishment of Apartheid), here's a fun read on what made Apartheid crazy - [19:44]
thestringpuller Just because something does not and cannot exist, does not mean that it doesn't need to exist. [19:44]
thestringpuller You are merely a NOC agent in Bitcoin's war on fiat. [19:44]
ThickAsThieves your logic escapes me a bit, but i guess i get the gist [19:45]
thestringpuller It's akin to being a spy in war time no? You technically can't exist, as a spy, thus you parade around like a normal individual. [19:47]
thestringpuller Your mission is necessary despite whether or not it is officially condoned... [19:48]
ThickAsThieves i think youve abstracted all application out of the topic [19:48]
fluffypony "The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on the Afrikaner. Whether they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.” [19:49]
fluffypony - PW Botha, then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981 [19:49]
thestringpuller how so? [19:50]
HeySteve fluffypony, I think this freedom / unfreedom thing is a false dichotomy. it's more like there are degrees of freedom and the balance shifted [19:50]
fluffypony HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day" to commemorate the shifting of governmental power is a tradition all over the world - the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg. [19:52]
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HeySteve fluffypony, sure, there's a difference here though in that the ANC tries to keep debate focused on these kinds of liberation narratives to justify its rule [19:56]
HeySteve it wasn't total unfreedom previously, that would imply slavery [19:56]
fluffypony HeySteve: <- I think that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom that it would not be untoward to say that the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom to certain groups [20:00]
fluffypony as you said - freedom is not absolute, but there are enough extremes on both sides that they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994 [20:01]
bounce and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe [20:02]
HeySteve ok certainly pass laws and other stuff was very restrictive. but in the context of electoral politics, this strikes me a bit like Democrats winning in USA then instituting National Freedom from Bush Day [20:02]
HeySteve it's not the same as the country becoming independent, it's a holiday about the victory of one faction over another which is used to bolster support for the current ruling party [20:03]
fluffypony sure, everything can be politicised or used to achieve politically motivated ends [20:03]
HeySteve yeah. I would like to see Service Delivery Day instead is all :P [20:04]
fluffypony lol [20:04]
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HeySteve here's that F2F contract thing I mentioned earlier: [20:13]
mircea_popescu man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit. << aww! [20:14]
HeySteve I mention bitcoin-assets in there as a good place to test ideas and such [20:15]
mircea_popescu jewish speaking ? he means idish or hebrew ? [20:15]
bounce "jewish", you heard the man [20:16]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't think he knew the difference [20:16]
mircea_popescu and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe <<< this was a) never false and b) not currently true. [20:16]
bounce previously it was educated yet stupid white men doing stupid things. now, well, undereducated black people doing stupid things? [20:17]
fluffypony bounce: spot on [20:17]
mircea_popescu fundnation lol. [20:18]
mircea_popescu moar like fudge-ation [20:19]
mircea_popescu "Before the 1950s, this legislation largely applied to African men, and attempts to apply it to women in the 1910s and 1950s were met with significant protests. " [20:19]
mircea_popescu i think this is actually quite brilliant. make it illegal to have a mob[ile vulgus] [20:20]
bounce before 1914 you could travel all of europe without much of any papers. now, you can be locally born and raised yet get thrown in alien detention for not carrying papers. I'd say it's currently true. [20:20]
mircea_popescu co [20:20]
mircea_popescu communist romania had similar regulations. you couldn't just herpy-derp settle in town cause you felt like it. [20:20]
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mircea_popescu bounce that's not factually true. [20:20]
mircea_popescu before 1914 when? [20:21]
bounce it's happened [20:21]
mircea_popescu before 1914 ie in the middle ages you could only travel if you were a journeyman, or in the service of a noble. [20:21]
mircea_popescu period. [20:21]
mircea_popescu before 1914 ie, after 1800, you could travel if you had a passeport. [20:21]
mircea_popescu somewhat laxer, but still. [20:21]
mircea_popescu otherwise, papers were always to be produced on demand, ever since la terreur. [20:22]
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mircea_popescu !up jcorgan [20:24]
assbot Voicing jcorgan for 30 minutes. [20:24]
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mircea_popescu soo is doing this spamblogs thing [20:28]
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ThickAsThieves [20:30]
ThickAsThieves "If the crazy ride and popularity of Bitcoin makes you cackle like a mad-scientist, this is the place for you. " [20:31]
ThickAsThieves Preferred Qualifications [20:31]
ThickAsThieves Experience with web development (e.g. HTML, CSS, JS, jQuery, AJAX) [20:31]
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ThickAsThieves :) [20:31]
mircea_popescu [20:31]
fluffypony "Unlike some of those other "currencies" out there, we are backed up by and have access to the customer trust and fortitude of the world's largest online retailer. " [20:32]
fluffypony well gee, Amazon, way to alienate some of your target demo [20:32]
ThickAsThieves "We are excited by the challenging problems we face building a brand new concept of money and we are always thinking about how to redefine the way people think about the cheddar." [20:33]
ThickAsThieves or, "We're feeling kinda fucked here, help!" [20:33]
mircea_popescu "650+ Search engine unique traffics by Google/Facebook/Twitter/Youtube/... for $1" [20:33]
mircea_popescu some guy on twitter, " The amount of web traffic that is driven to those site links are the equivalent of Gold to these companies. In a digital world SEO is king. On top of this, the CoinDesk price index is what the foundation uses to charge it’s members and is generally accepted as the price by mainstream media." [20:34]
mircea_popescu yeah, totally. traffic is king. [20:34]
ThickAsThieves lol [20:34]
mircea_popescu << i got 90 hits from this page past 24 hours. [20:34]
mircea_popescu no link to trilema anywhere. [20:34]
mircea_popescu very king. [20:34]
mircea_popescu << same deal. [20:35]
ozbot Castiga Bitcoin fara sa cumperi aparatura fara sa folosesti calculatorul [20:35]
ThickAsThieves it has that nice SEO speak too [20:35]
ThickAsThieves "About Mining for Bitcoin without equipment" [20:35]
mircea_popescu ayup. [20:35]
mircea_popescu < check that out [20:36]
ozbot Test Payday Loans Online to the Most Effective Approach to Borrow Dollars [20:36]
mircea_popescu somehow it sent 36 clicks to trilema. how ? [20:36]
mircea_popescu "buy traffic, set X domain as referer, hope noob webmaster actually links it somewhere" [20:36]
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ThickAsThieves weird, i'd say it was hidden by CSS or someshit, but it aint [20:37]
mircea_popescu etc. [20:37]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I also checked the source [20:37]
mircea_popescu one of the advantages of trilema : i'm on everyone's spamlist. cause i write about games, about movies, about whores, about money... food, you name it [20:37]
fluffypony I think it's as mircea_popescu suggests - fake traffic with fake referrers [20:37]
mircea_popescu those 3 links above claim 14 clicks each. who's right here ? with 15 [20:38]
mircea_popescu god it must suck. [20:38]
ThickAsThieves lol [20:38]
mircea_popescu [20:38]
ThickAsThieves notic eno comments allowed on the preston retort [20:38]
mircea_popescu [20:38]
ThickAsThieves last word is his! [20:39]
mircea_popescu check that shit out. it redirects to a ... cloudflare protected domain [20:39]
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mircea_popescu someone "bought" "traffic", got ddosed, got cloudflare. [20:39]
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mircea_popescu [20:39]
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mircea_popescu ok i gotta stop. but anyway, the idea stands. [20:40]
ThickAsThieves yeah now you just added all dem links to the log site [20:40]
ThickAsThieves such SEO [20:40]
mircea_popescu meh [20:41]
ThickAsThieves mp, in case yer interested [20:41]
ThickAsThieves your favorite game composer has a youtube [20:41]
ThickAsThieves dude shreds on piano [20:41]
mircea_popescu not sure he's my favourite, im too ignorant to know [20:41]
mircea_popescu but he sure rocks [20:42]
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ThickAsThieves [20:42]
ozbot Witajcie Poland Chris Smith's impossible dream of getting me into musical and muscle shape! - YouTu [20:42]
ThickAsThieves him working out and piano training at once [20:42]
mircea_popescu Colloquially, passes were often called the dompas, literally meaning the "dumb pass." [20:45]
mircea_popescu well... that's exactly what they were neh [20:45]
fluffypony you guys have seen the Reebok and Nike thing, hey? [20:45]
mircea_popescu 5. “Jan Smuts airport, in common with the Union’s other ports of land, sea and air, will soon amend its apartheid applications. The words ‘European’ and ‘non-European’ will be replaced by the words ‘Whites’ and ‘Non-Whites’ over appropriate doors and entrances. The reason is that foreigners, particularly Americans, confuse the issue — and the exit — by tending to use doors that seem to distin [20:48]
mircea_popescu guish them from people who originate from Europe.” — Cape Times, 19 [20:48]
mircea_popescu those pesky muricans ruining perfectly reasonable nonsense! [20:48]
fluffypony ikr [20:48]
mircea_popescu 7. “Coloured girls can now work as usherettes in white cinemas — provided they do not look at the screen, Mr John Redman, general manager of Kinekor’s theatre division, told me this week. [20:49]
decimation Re: US slavery: "At present, the federal government allocates about 25 percent of GDP and states/cities spend another 16 percent. According to some estimates, about 15 percent is controlled by the regulatory system, but this is probably low because it does not reflect the non-regulatory legal system. The conclusion is that at least 60 percent of the nation?s GDP is controlled by governments, and that does not even count the amount of economic [20:49]
decimation activity that is suppressed because of special interest pressure." (from my link above) [20:49]
mircea_popescu aww. i was rooting for "provided they remain on their knees, mouth open, left hand around lips [20:49]
fluffypony lol [20:49]
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mircea_popescu decimation i'd be surprised if 10% of us gdp is independent atm. it'd be mostly things like that cattle rancher guy. [20:50]
mircea_popescu ‘When we show a film which our non-white girls are not allowed to see, they usher patrons with a torch and watch the floor,’ he said. ‘We discussed the matter with the Department of Labour and I raised this point with them. As a precautionary measure — since non-whites are not allowed to see some films restricted to whites only — we decided that they should not look at the screen.” [20:50]
mircea_popescu wtf filmns were those i wonder ? [20:50]
mircea_popescu Sunday Express, 1971 [20:50]
fluffypony no clue [20:51]
mircea_popescu like what, felini's satyricon ? [20:51]
mircea_popescu hot summer in the city and assorted sexploitation/blacksploitation flicks ? [20:52]
mircea_popescu the mack lol. [20:52]
fluffypony lol [20:52]
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mircea_popescu “I never imagined that power would remain forever with the Matanzimas. It’s just that we were the only two with university degrees.” [20:53]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:53]
mircea_popescu “At least I’ll be able to kiss Desdemona without leaving a smudge.” — Actor John Kani, the first black man to play Othello in Shakespeare’s play in South Africa [20:54]
mircea_popescu ahahaha ok this one's great. [20:54]
mircea_popescu “[An] SABC records committee members, Mr Roelf Jacobs, denied the SABC ‘banned’ songs. ‘We just don’t play them,’ he said.” [20:54]
mircea_popescu “People have the silly idea that there must be freedom of the press and no repression. They don’t realise that ideas are also a source of evil.” [20:55]
decimation of course ideas are a source of evil [20:55]
decimation the trouble is that any bureaucraticly crafted policy to suppress them will likely fail [20:56]
mircea_popescu ideas are a source of evil in the sense pie is a source of evil. [20:56]
mircea_popescu the supreme source of all evil is the cunt. [20:56]
decimation or the germ cells? [20:56]
mircea_popescu well this is enough history reading for an evening. ima go beat my slaves and smoke a pipe. [20:57]
decimation lol [20:57]
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jurov HeySteve, in the article, can you link to actual log line? [21:28]
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benkay xdotcomm_ is back? [21:30]
benkay goodness. [21:30]
xdotcomm_ benkay: yes! [21:30]
xdotcomm_ did u miss me? [21:30]
xdotcomm_ and my socks? [21:30]
benkay mnope. [21:30]
HeySteve jurov, I don't know how to link to the line, just the date [21:31]
xdotcomm_ be honest ... i know you did [21:31]
xdotcomm_ you miss the sock puppet show [21:31]
HeySteve if I can link to a line that's better [21:31]
jurov HeySteve: #linenumber, when you click in the time, you'll get it [21:31]
HeySteve ok thx I will try [21:31]
jurov the time in the start of every line [21:31]
HeySteve ah ha [21:32]
HeySteve right I updated it [21:33]
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artifexd ThickAsThieves: Thanks for the kind words on your blog. Much appreciated. [21:56]
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fluffypony [22:38]
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moiety lolol fluffypony [22:55]
moiety amyone seen this? [22:55]
moiety anyone* [22:55]
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fluffypony !up prestonbanks [23:10]
assbot Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes. [23:10]
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fluffypony sup prestonbanks [23:10]
prestonbanks sup fluffypony [23:11]
prestonbanks just read bitcoinpete's blog [23:11]
fluffypony two glasses of wine down, nom [23:12]
prestonbanks now im here [23:12]
fluffypony oic [23:12]
fluffypony which article? [23:12]
prestonbanks a lot of them [23:13]
prestonbanks going from one reference to the next [23:13]
benkay prestonbanks of fincen? [23:13]
fluffypony !seen bitcoinpete [23:14]
prestonbanks nope [23:14]
fluffypony ;;seen bitcoinpete [23:14]
gribble bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: jurov: indeed, best of luck! [23:14]
fluffypony guess bitcoinpete is weekend-ing [23:14]
prestonbanks how does he dare [23:14]
fluffypony OH - preston BYRNE is the other dude [23:14]
fluffypony lawlz [23:14]
fluffypony I thought you were he [23:15]
prestonbanks is that why i got voice so quickly? [23:15]
prestonbanks haha [23:15]
fluffypony pretty much [23:15]
fluffypony I got excited [23:15]
kakobrekla and !down .. [23:15]
prestonbanks finders keepers [23:16]
fluffypony prestonbanks: it'll only last for another 25 mins anyway [23:16]
prestonbanks ah ok [23:16]
prestonbanks well i actually planned to follow bitcoinpete's advice [23:16]
fluffypony about not investing in MaidSafe? [23:16]
fluffypony :-P [23:16]
prestonbanks "shutting up and learning until you have something intelligent to say" [23:16]
fluffypony good advice [23:17]
kakobrekla and get in the wot [23:17]
prestonbanks avoiding maidsafe like the plague [23:17]
fluffypony ^^ [23:17]
fluffypony do you know how to register your nick? [23:17]
prestonbanks i heard the letstalkbitcoin interview of maidsafe [23:17]
kakobrekla ltb is shit. [23:17]
prestonbanks i will follow the instructions in the subject line to register my nick [23:18]
prestonbanks thx fluffy [23:18]
fluffypony prestonbanks: /msg nickserv register password email [23:18]
fluffypony and then when you connect in future /msg nickserv identify password [23:18]
prestonbanks ok [23:18]
fluffypony in terms of the WoT [23:18]
kakobrekla registering nick != registering in the wot [23:18]
fluffypony start here: [23:18]
ThickAsThieves prestonbanks are you the guy with the blog that quoted MPEx's stance on the SEC? [23:18]
fluffypony but you can only register in the WoT after registering your nick [23:18]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: no, I made the same mistake [23:18]
ThickAsThieves poo [23:19]
fluffypony I got super excited [23:19]
kakobrekla im not sure thats required [23:19]
prestonbanks i opened pandora's box without knowing [23:19]
fluffypony kakobrekla: afaik it is, gribble doesn't allow eregister or bcregister without a registered nick [23:19]
benkay getting into the wot properly is a daylong exercise if you're not a regular gpg user to begin with [23:19]
ThickAsThieves no suh [23:20]
ThickAsThieves i learned in like 15min [23:20]
benkay backed up your master key? [23:20]
prestonbanks i should probably consider a different nick [23:20]
benkay made revocation certs? [23:20]
prestonbanks in case the fincen guy wants in [23:20]
benkay ThickAsThieves: ^^ [23:20]
fluffypony lawl [23:20]
benkay tested your restoration process? [23:20]
ThickAsThieves ah no, i just mean getting it all to work [23:21]
ThickAsThieves if you wanna get in wot and get permavoice in here it isnt hard [23:21]
ThickAsThieves that leaves out nickserv auth reg too... [23:21]
benkay i'm saying setting up the gpg toolchain is a daylong exercise for new gpg users. [23:21]
prestonbanks tomorrow is a sunday [23:21]
prestonbanks so it should be doable [23:22]
benkay and setting up the toolchain should be preceeded by reading the manual, but who reads manuls these days anyways [23:22]
kakobrekla the notion of days is all wrong. [23:22]
benkay (fuckers bite, i hear) [23:22]
fluffypony kakobrekla: I like the structure it gives, but that's just me [23:22]
prestonbanks i hate those foldable manuals that are as big as a roadmap [23:24]
fluffypony kakobrekla: just checked, and you're 100% right - I'd misread an earlier issue with someone trying to ;;bcauth and gribble complaining about them not being registered, I thought they were trying to ;;bcregister [23:25]
* kakobrekla is right even when he is wrong, the usual. [23:26]
fluffypony of cors [23:26]
prestonbanks all guys talking now are regulars around here? [23:27]
fluffypony or in assbot's Level 2 trust [23:27]
fluffypony which is the only requirement [23:28]
prestonbanks cool [23:28]
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prestonbanks i'm sure i'll pick up on the inside jokes over time [23:28]
fluffypony prestonbanks: benkay has a blog post on the model: [23:29]
prestonbanks thx [23:29]
prestonbanks i'll get to it tonight and tomorrow [23:29]
prestonbanks now enjoying my remaining minutes of voice [23:30]
prestonbanks weeeeeee [23:30]
kakobrekla !down prestonbanks [23:30]
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Duffer1 :P [23:30]
Duffer1 !up prestonbanks [23:30]
assbot Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes. [23:30]
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prestonbanks doh! [23:31]
prestonbanks had that coming [23:31]
prestonbanks thx duffer [23:31]
Duffer1 :P [23:31]
prestonbanks kakobrekla is the mean guy of the group [23:31]
prestonbanks duly noted [23:31]
Duffer1 nah just people messin with you [23:32]
kakobrekla no, i was serious. [23:32]
kakobrekla !down prestonbanks [23:32]
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kakobrekla go read up [23:32]
fluffypony prestonbanks: your time will come, don't forget to register your nick and get in the WoT, cheers! [23:32]
Duffer1 also [23:33]
mod6 huh, didn't know about that page. [23:34]
fluffypony mod6: much easier than pushing everyone's RSS feed into a reader [23:34]
kakobrekla mod6 its in the topic you know [23:35]
kakobrekla also on home of [23:35]
fluffypony kakobrekla: nobody reads the chan topic, apparently [23:36]
kakobrekla ;;topic [23:36]
gribble || || || [23:36]
kakobrekla fixd. [23:36]
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mod6 kakobrekla: ah! [23:40]
* mod6 wonders how he never looked that up [23:40]
mod6 i guess i just read a lot of these blogs directly. kindof a nice digest tho. [23:41]
* moiety read manuls, realised it was a typo *disappoint* [23:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03447 = 0.2413 BTC [+] {2} [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0412 = 0.2884 BTC [-] {2} [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2} [23:49]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: g'day [23:53]
ThickAsThieves Open for corrections and omissions [23:54]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: You too [23:55]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: One of my favorite parts of bitcoin is the mystery surrounding the distinction between NCOs and officers of Bitcoin [23:56]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I'm EXTREMELY opinionated about that, and I fully agree with your conclusions [23:56]
ThickAsThieves cool! [23:57]
ThickAsThieves i dont write much, and as i read my writing it feels very "What I Did Last Summer", so I'm also open to constructive criticisms [23:58]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: there's a shitload of account software that can't handle more than 2 decimal places, and when you have idiot data captures manually capturing BTC transactions because the company is too cheap to pay a developer for an hour's worth of work, bad stuff happens...that same accounting software has no problem differentiating the US Dollar from the Zimbabwean Dollar and the Japanese Yen, despite their integer values being orders of [23:58]
fluffypony magnitude different, so the argument is sound [23:58]
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