Forum logs for 24 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
BingoBoingo I wonder who all is getting tapped for S.MPIF [00:00]
mircea_popescu well you're one. [00:00]
BingoBoingo Of course. [00:01]
BingoBoingo The hangover suggested it would be a good idea [00:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0683931 = 0.342 BTC [+] [00:06]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: don't forget to hydrate [00:07]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: The hangover's over [00:07]
fluffypony good to hear :) [00:08]
BingoBoingo I wouldn't be where I am today without the ability to swiftly dispatch a hangover [00:08]
mircea_popescu ;;ident kakobrekla [00:08]
gribble Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None [00:08]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: likewise...I just find myself way too unproductive for the first ~4 hours after waking up if I'm hanging like a little bitch [00:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00095197 = 30.8438 BTC [-] {3} [00:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.0618981 = 5.5708 BTC [-] {9} [00:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0678 = 0.339 BTC [+] [00:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00482011 = 0.376 BTC [+] [00:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00518408 = 0.1244 BTC [+] {2} [00:23]
mircea_popescu << butthurt [00:26]
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Naphex gn o/ [00:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Still no reply from srgexpert [00:28]
mircea_popescu whossat again ? [00:28]
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BingoBoingo [00:30]
ozbot The Patrick Harnett saga continues pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:30]
BingoBoingo ? [00:31]
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mircea_popescu ah [00:37]
fluffypony [00:38]
ozbot Startups Anonymous: Things founders say to investors that are complete BS | PandoDaily [00:38]
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fluffypony “My cofounder turned down a job at Google to focus on our company.” Translation: He applied for an internship a while back and it fell through. [00:43]
fluffypony can we file that with the "world class mathematicians" involved in every cryptocurrency-related project? [00:43]
mircea_popescu im looking for the world class submarines. [00:46]
mircea_popescu > typhoon class. [00:46]
asciilifeform lol [00:46]
fluffypony lol [00:46]
asciilifeform miningboot? [00:47]
benkay miningboot! [00:48]
asciilifeform i could easily live in one, and not notice. [00:48]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform are you this Arlyn Culwick fellow and trolling me ? [00:50]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: plz sort creditsout noa [00:53]
fluffypony *credits out [00:54]
bounce you more or less missed a chance to snag a few subs for essentially free down in the crimea [00:55]
fluffypony asciilifeform: [00:56]
bounce I'd buy into that. [00:56]
mircea_popescu flushed. [00:57]
fluffypony thank you kindly [00:57]
mircea_popescu lol [00:58]
mircea_popescu nice pic [00:58]
mircea_popescu so do they fight the impedance or what ? [00:59]
fluffypony hah hah [00:59]
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bounce fighting the current, technically [01:02]
bounce dissipating the power [01:03]
mircea_popescu lol [01:05]
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bounce so what is the resistance and what the impedance of... the local beach? [01:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31262 @ 0.00095093 = 29.728 BTC [-] [01:15]
mircea_popescu khersonus not bad. [01:22]
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mircea_popescu benkay can you explain this to me ? [01:25]
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bounce you need to speka lisp-a to understand-a [01:27]
mircea_popescu aokl [01:27]
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mircea_popescu !up davide [01:27]
mircea_popescu "Additionally, algorithms from the NSA are considered a sort of alien technology: they come from a superior race with no explanations." [01:27]
assbot Voicing davide for 30 minutes. [01:27]
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mircea_popescu gotta love how schneier sticks these psy-ops little turds in everything he writes. [01:28]
bounce though the real question is, is that a /signed/ tag? [01:28]
mircea_popescu yo, bruce, wakeup call : the nsa is about as fucktartded as you are. srsly. [01:28]
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bounce actually, no. they employ a fsckton of mathematicians and they know everything that's in the open plus an unspecified amount we don't know about. best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research [01:29]
mircea_popescu bounce nonsense. [01:30]
bounce you can see how that works in, say, DES, where the NSA suggested stuff that turned out to be resistant to a type of attack not known publically at the time DES was finalised [01:30]
mircea_popescu if spending money solved problems the phoenician empire'd still be a thing. [01:31]
mircea_popescu nobody is denying a lot of smart people work for the nsa. [01:31]
mircea_popescu heck, a lot of smart people worked for microsoft, and alcatel, and whatever other pointless dinosaur. adobe. [01:31]
mircea_popescu that does not make ADOBE smart. at all. [01:31]
mircea_popescu for all the brilliant russians living in the 70s, the ussr was dumb as rocks. [01:32]
bounce yeah, but we're not talking NSA as a whole. we're talking the stuff that comes out of there in the form of algorithms [01:32]
mircea_popescu it's not clear why this reclassification'd be useful to your position. [01:33]
Apocalyptic "best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research" that may have been accurate a few years ago [01:33]
Apocalyptic i don't believe it's the case nowadays [01:33]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic it was perhaps accurate in the 90s. [01:33]
Apocalyptic sounds reasonable [01:33]
mircea_popescu as the things stand right now, they never had an internal bitcoin, [01:33]
mircea_popescu and we wiped their heartbleed. [01:33]
mircea_popescu and while we know what they don't know, they don't know what we know. [01:34]
mircea_popescu which... you know. [01:34]
Apocalyptic a possible explanation may be that cryptography as a field wasn't that broad in academia back then [01:34]
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bounce still, they know what we know plus a bunch we don't know much about. we don't know how big it is, we don't know what it does. for that reason you have to be careful with their "gifts". that's the point he's making. [01:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1927 @ 0.0001357 = 0.2615 BTC [+] {3} [01:36]
fluffypony bed time, bye [01:36]
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dexX7 good night [01:36]
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mircea_popescu still, they know what we know plus a bunch << this is strictly false. [01:37]
bounce show how. [01:38]
mircea_popescu because you imagine perfect knowledge ("everyone publishes everything they know and everyone reads it all") to get your result [01:38]
mircea_popescu this is not at all how teh community works. [01:38]
mircea_popescu anyway. i know what he's pretending he's trying to say, but that ain't at all what he;s saying. what he's saying is "resistence is futile", that's the message, and it's a ridiculous. [01:39]
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bounce that's not how I read it [01:39]
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mircea_popescu now without offense, let me just propose to you as a theory that it's possible you'd not know how you read it. in the same sense advertising works. [01:40]
bounce wouldn't surprise me if the NSA has everyone with a little crypto knowledge on watchlists just to see the privately-circulating papers [01:40]
mircea_popescu sure. [01:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00509 = 0.2291 BTC [-] [01:43]
bounce I think you're reaching with that line of reasoning. I know how I read it and I disagree with how you read it. I will allow that a-priori notions on either side (or both) might have something to do with the interpretation. [01:46]
mircea_popescu well that's as far as it can possibly go huh [01:46]
bounce you might ask him which he ment, and why. :-) [01:46]
mircea_popescu i might as well ask obama if he really meant i can keep my insurance. [01:47]
bounce c'mon, cook up a nice 20 questions to finnagle the truth out of oracle schneier [01:48]
mircea_popescu he'd be insulted [01:48]
bounce and you care about that, how? o_O? [01:49]
mircea_popescu that's the trick with "being insulted" : it affords plausible deniability to they who don't want to have the truth extracted. [01:49]
mircea_popescu well i don't care, but he'd stop answering. [01:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00095066 = 35.6973 BTC [-] {3} [01:50]
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mircea_popescu anyway, re your "you're reaching" comment, i told a story at teh conference that should prolly be on the record. [01:51]
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mircea_popescu so, as kids, one party game was to whistle into an old, low baud modem. they were slow enough that it was still sort-of feasible. the game was, who gets the modem going for longer thinking it's got a sane modem on the other end [01:51]
mircea_popescu (trivial to observe when it noticed you're human because of the very distinctive "error pls to start over" tone" [01:52]
mircea_popescu i believe that's really the model for all communication. [01:52]
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bounce doing a little survey among cryptographers of name with how and at what size they assess the NSA's knowledge advandage, if any, might be interesting. doing it every couple years maybe even moreso. [01:54]
bounce I don't think all communication is quite that lopsided, to be honest. [01:55]
mircea_popescu ils ne se servent de la pensée que pour autoriser leurs injustices, et emploient les paroles que pour déguiser leurs pensées [01:56]
mircea_popescu bounce how do you mean lopsided ? [01:56]
bounce then again, much of it isn't quite so very good either. [01:57]
mircea_popescu what i meant was strictly this, that your particular response matched what i may have accepted as proof that you indeed may know how you read it. [01:57]
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bounce possibly. :-) [01:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00095123 = 27.3003 BTC [+] {2} [02:01]
bounce lopsided isn't really the word. somehow a better word eludes me for the moment. [02:02]
mircea_popescu "Error getting file: -1: Unspecified error" [02:04]
mircea_popescu for the love of the error god ;/ [02:05]
bounce context? wild guess says using fn return instead of errno like it should've been used [02:07]
mircea_popescu old proprietary camera. [02:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095161 = 10.8484 BTC [+] [02:10]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Culwick wtf what? [02:17]
mircea_popescu this dude arguing metaphysics with me [02:17]
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asciilifeform nein, i'm still trying to wake up from me beautiful dreamz. [02:18]
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asciilifeform 'Had it been a dream? It was still worth it! ... Now he had to think about his own survival. With the aid of his wrist geiger he found a deactivated lane through the rubble. He’d better get back to the shelter before dark, before the rats came out. If he didn’t hurry he’d miss the evening potato ration.' [02:19]
asciilifeform (robert sheckley's 'store of the worlds' - [02:20]
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asciilifeform re: nsa crypto: [02:23]
asciilifeform [02:23]
ozbot Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. [02:23]
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asciilifeform (musings on the 'smart nsa' hypothesis, i know) [02:23]
asciilifeform exercise in 'intelligence with open sources' [02:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999999 BTC [+] [02:25]
asciilifeform more seriously, virtually nothing re: cryptology from the era preceding modern computing is worth terribly much. [02:25]
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mircea_popescu so on the very good news front, i've already lined up 4 managers for s.mpif, whole shebang nominally worth a little north of 170 btc atm. [02:25]
asciilifeform the americans really fucked themselves. 'why bother being strong, let's make everyone weak.' they somehow kept most of the planet using rotor (!) crypto machines through the '70s! [02:27]
asciilifeform ;;google CryptoAG [02:27]
gribble Crypto AG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Schneier on Security: NSA Backdoors in Crypto AG Ciphering ...: ; Crypto AG: [02:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform funny you should mention crypto ag [02:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00095284 = 14.8881 BTC [+] [02:28]
mircea_popescu because...well... they use the mpex shareholding model. [02:28]
mircea_popescu apparently this is possible in fiat just fine. whodda thunk it. [02:28]
asciilifeform phun phact. cryptoag still exists! and used by diplomats, etc. how to explain? only theory i can think of is that folks deliberately buy into the crapola - as a gesture of doggy submission to usa [02:28]
asciilifeform this is possible in fiat just fine << various 'impossibles' are quite possible when they must. [02:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06792804 = 0.4755 BTC [+] {3} [02:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06869835 = 0.5496 BTC [+] {2} [02:30]
mircea_popescu right. what's "impossible" is just admitting mp has the power to make the impossible quite possible. [02:30]
mike_c mircea_popescu: will piffy managers and projects be announced? [02:30]
mircea_popescu mike_c of course. [02:30]
mircea_popescu prolly tomorrow, actually. [02:31]
mike_c follow up question: is BingoBoingo all 4 managers? ;) [02:31]
mircea_popescu nope. just 1. [02:31]
asciilifeform the power to make the impossible quite possible << Führerprinzip, the elixir of shit getting done. [02:31]
mircea_popescu mike_c actually i'll bet you a certain pizza you won't be able to guess all 4. [02:33]
mike_c hmm [02:33]
mircea_popescu you get a list as long as you wish, provided you publish it by tomorrow. [02:33]
mike_c i hate to turn down action, but feels like a tough wager. there are a lot of people i don't know. [02:34]
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mircea_popescu im known for my tough wagers and an almost fanatical devotion to the poke. [02:34]
mircea_popescu ;;rated mike_c [02:37]
gribble You rated user mike_c on Tue Mar 25 20:15:55 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: blogger, dev. [02:37]
jurov soooo... should i stay up to add S.MPIF to coinbr or it can wait? [02:37]
mircea_popescu jurov can wait, the contract'll be up at a sane time, but in a few days. [02:37]
mircea_popescu and trading will open after anyway [02:37]
jurov gut [02:37]
BingoBoingo I'm kind of curious what other markets S.MPIF is going to venture into [02:38]
mircea_popescu i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4. [02:38]
mircea_popescu same deal. [02:38]
asciilifeform smpif sounds neat but too big for me puny brain. [02:39]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually it's devilishly simple. you'll see after a few monthly reports. [02:39]
asciilifeform arbitrobots? [02:40]
mircea_popescu nop. [02:40]
mircea_popescu no robots. unlike the alex chick i'm an ACTUAL luddite. i use people. [02:40]
mike_c buying houses in ohio? [02:40]
mircea_popescu nop. [02:40]
kakobrekla mike_c in argentina [02:40]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I prefer meat bot to describe my role in this [02:40]
mircea_popescu no, there's no real estate at all. [02:41]
mike_c lol. argentina house flipping! [02:41]
mircea_popescu this makes it fair for BingoBoingo, seeing how mike_c also knew 1. [02:41]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no shame in this. atm i'm doing things chinese robogirls won't do [02:41]
mircea_popescu ^ [02:41]
* mircea_popescu is known for turning people into robots. [02:41]
mircea_popescu sieg hail. [02:41]
mircea_popescu also, [02:42]
asciilifeform 'i am bender, please insert girder.' ('futurama') [02:42]
asciilifeform shame that arbitrobots appear to be a dead field. the modus operandi of mine, for instance, was to root out and autorape other bots. [02:44]
mircea_popescu lol [02:44]
asciilifeform never bothered to make it airworthy, though, so it's a boring tale. [02:45]
asciilifeform it was, at one point (laugh, sure) intended to play on... gox. [02:46]
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asciilifeform i lost interest in the project >1yr ago, when i realized that i won't be selling so much as 1 btc while i live here. [02:48]
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benkay amen [02:49]
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mircea_popescu not a bad policy. [02:49]
asciilifeform people still say 'martian' [02:50]
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asciilifeform glad the chicoms happily take bezollars. (for now.) [02:52]
asciilifeform or i'd have to etch boards again, like when student. [02:53]
asciilifeform (and eat wildlife) [02:53]
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kakobrekla local companies? [02:59]
BingoBoingo Much of the best food is wildlife [02:59]
kakobrekla i have two low-mid series pcb manufacturers in 5km radius [02:59]
mircea_popescu sooo! [02:59]
mircea_popescu this is the highest linecount since forever [03:00]
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mircea_popescu 2.) fluffypony 1247 3.) assbot 1211 << africans and their long peens. [03:01]
BingoBoingo Imma have to guess the S.MPIF markets are BTC/USD, BTC/Typhoon submarines, BTC/Uranium, and BTC/Human Souls [03:01]
asciilifeform,CqpmXCx,p2ExGTe,qAcmmpX,SJ3lCpM,avlxgmG,dr2NHfE,3yeBuFm [03:02]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [03:02]
mike_c hm, there has got to be an arbitrage loop on btc/usd/human souls [03:02]
mircea_popescu Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth. [03:02]
mircea_popescu [03:03]
ozbot Fallout 2 Intro (1998) - YouTube [03:03]
asciilifeform 'the man who loved the faioli' ! [03:03]
asciilifeform [03:03]
asciilifeform (or maybe not. but i was damn sure that was in there) [03:03]
BingoBoingo "From 1985 to 1989 Williamson worked at Nicolet Instruments in Madison, Wisconsin where he was the primary author on two digital hearing aid patents." [03:06]
BingoBoingo [03:06]
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BingoBoingo [03:12]
ozbot amniotic sac | Flickr - Photo Sharing [03:12]
asciilifeform earlier link was steam plant in Timis. [03:13]
BingoBoingo Ah, cool [03:13]
asciilifeform 0400 hour, monday [03:13]
asciilifeform hieronymous bosch apparently lives there. [03:13]
BingoBoingo Amazing how in the US Steam plants are generally just a University thing and yet every on campus steam plant I've seen has been as boring as shit. [03:14]
asciilifeform on account of boschlessness. [03:14]
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asciilifeform re: Faioli << recommended to all aficionados of pet manticores. [03:18]
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asciilifeform [03:19]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [03:19]
asciilifeform ^ sherlock holmes. [03:19]
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benkay lysergic precursors are strictly controlled, whaddaya expect? [03:19]
asciilifeform let them control carbon. [03:20]
asciilifeform [03:22]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [03:22]
asciilifeform ^ femei [03:22]
asciilifeform (clicked? admit, lustful buggers) [03:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00095286 = 5.1693 BTC [+] {2} [03:23]
mircea_popescu well i hadn't, but if you insist [03:23]
asciilifeform lol [03:23]
mircea_popescu lol [03:23]
mircea_popescu was that the abandoned urinal ? [03:23]
asciilifeform menstrual. [03:23]
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mircea_popescu here's the story of the blessings of lobbyism [03:24]
mircea_popescu romania had, in all cities, proper urinals built all over town. the whole shebang, with running water. [03:24]
mircea_popescu dumbass firm started importing the 2mc bullshits, with chemical "processing" [03:24]
mircea_popescu and got kickback-based contracts to "supply" the city. [03:24]
mircea_popescu as a result, all the proper urinals are nao destroyed. [03:25]
asciilifeform ugh [03:25]
mircea_popescu because well.... they can't compete, because they solve a problem rather than grooming it with dysfunctional non-solutions, and so have nothing to kick back. [03:25]
asciilifeform classic [03:25]
asciilifeform [03:25]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [03:25]
asciilifeform ^ femei, for real [03:25]
mircea_popescu now... explain to me again how teh nsa is 5 years ahead of my penis. [03:25]
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benkay to further our discussion of economies: [03:26]
kakobrekla o looky [03:26]
kakobrekla davout asciilifeform [03:26]
kakobrekla [03:26]
kakobrekla also mike_c and whoever else [03:27]
mike_c fuck, there goes my evening. [03:27]
asciilifeform defunct ? [03:27]
kakobrekla works here [03:28]
asciilifeform ehehe, flash [03:28]
mircea_popescu "In an expansion investors are constantly looking for better places to invest their capital, while entrepreneurs are always overconfident, hoping to get capital to fund their restless ambition. Sometimes, the investors (dupes) think a certain set of key characteristics are sufficient statistics of a quality investment because historically they were. Mimic entrepreneurs seize upon these key characteristics that will all [03:29]
mircea_popescu ow them to garner funds from the duped investors. " [03:29]
benkay Once the number of mimics is sufficiently high, their valueless enterprises become too conspicuous and they no longer pass off as legitimate investments. [03:29]
mircea_popescu benkay a good theory which requires dupes to have a functioning ganglion. [03:29]
benkay (quotes, etc) [03:29]
mircea_popescu they... don't, mostly. [03:29]
asciilifeform [03:29]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [03:29]
benkay no but they have shitloads of cash [03:30]
asciilifeform ^ statute to the unknown lamer [03:30]
asciilifeform *statue [03:30]
mircea_popescu Your browser is not compatible with this site. Sorry :( << kakobrekla wtf bs! [03:30]
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kakobrekla anyway it involved different kind of brain power than the 2048 [03:30]
kakobrekla much less actual thinking [03:30]
kakobrekla mp you know just scammin around [03:31]
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kakobrekla anyway i just thought it was rele-tarded enough to post. [03:32]
mircea_popescu "AllAdvantage was a website that paid members to surf the Net. It paid to acquire these users, and supposedly leveraged its members’ eyeballs into advertizing dollars. At the initial fundraiser internet capitalist Frank Quattrone, who helped fund Cisco and many other legitimate successful concerns, and President Clinton both paid tribute to AllAdvantage" [03:32]
mircea_popescu muy true [03:32]
mircea_popescu i wish the falk joined hiar. [03:32]
benkay "For example, subsequent to the 1990 Commercial Real Estate debacle, defaults in this asset class were well below average across the board for the subsequent decade. In the aftermath of that crisis, newly issued Commercial Real Estate Asset Backed securities did very well, because everyone was especially cognizant of the risk factors involved. A similar thing happened in railroads after the Penn Central railroad defaulted in the early [03:32]
benkay 1970s. Fooled once, investors were not fooled again in that specific way, making the key risky asset characteristic of the latest recession a metric of safety going forward." [03:32]
asciilifeform [03:32]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [03:32]
asciilifeform ^ this is posted for a reason [03:32]
benkay if only the forum knew its own history. [03:33]
asciilifeform and not simply because this toilet is bigger than my living room [03:33]
mircea_popescu sadly blog is pretty much abandoned [03:33]
asciilifeform me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna [03:33]
asciilifeform in '45. [03:33]
asciilifeform he went 'fuck, this place has 2 shitters' [03:33]
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kakobrekla lol [03:34]
asciilifeform and of course deposited in the smaller one [03:34]
mircea_popescu bidets are great. can't keep young women w/o em [03:34]
asciilifeform commander made him clean it out. with matchsticks. [03:34]
asciilifeform i've never seen one in person previously. [03:34]
asciilifeform but at least i knew grandfather's fate. [03:35]
mircea_popescu but see, suppose you wanna eat her out. what do you do ? full shower ? sink acrobatics ? [03:35]
asciilifeform lolmatic [03:35]
benkay plenty of material left. [03:36]
asciilifeform we all wanna have 'timisoara problems' [03:36]
asciilifeform vs. finding a deactivated path through the rubble with wrist geiger... [03:37]
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asciilifeform (other grandpa, field hospital, not sure he ever saw bidet until died) [03:42]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 [11:07]
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fluffypony moiety: top o' the mornin' [11:07]
moiety morning! [11:08]
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mircea_popescu heya! [11:08]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: morning [11:08]
moiety how are you guys today? [11:09]
moiety i don't feel fully awake [11:09]
fluffypony also feeling a little bushed [11:09]
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fluffypony need a third espresso [11:09]
wywialm hello moiety, hello mircea_popescu [11:09]
mircea_popescu you people and teh coffee habit. [11:10]
mircea_popescu o hey, wywialm didja read my fundamental thing on economics ? [11:10]
wywialm yes, i did, i'm in the process of responding [11:11]
wywialm it may take a day or so, unfortunately [11:12]
fluffypony [11:13]
ozbot Court refuses trial by combat - Telegraph [11:13]
wywialm would you like to discuss it in the channel or read my opinion in the comments? [11:13]
mircea_popescu wywialm no rush! [11:13]
mircea_popescu comments better. [11:13]
wywialm sure [11:13]
mircea_popescu the channel is difficult to sort for all but the most advanced of wizards [11:14]
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Naphex morning [11:14]
moiety I'm now imagining you in full wizard get up when in here [11:15]
moiety [11:15]
ozbot RAF fighter jets intercept Russian bombers off coast of Scotland | UK news | [11:15]
wywialm good morning, Naphex [11:15]
mircea_popescu A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a £25 fine for a minor motoring offence. [11:15]
mircea_popescu Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation. He said it would have been a "reasonable" way to settle the matter. [11:15]
mircea_popescu nice. [11:15]
moiety i don't think they were planning dropping off manuls [11:15]
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mircea_popescu they were probably planning to show the raf it sucks. [11:16]
moiety probably. the base mentioned, Leuchars, is closing too [11:17]
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moiety what happened with the max keiser fight night thing [11:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00095074 = 8.5975 BTC [-] {2} [11:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, i don;t think the SOPS appreciate the seriousness of the problem. once people are actually willing to fight anyone you fucking name, to the death, your days are quite numbered. [11:24]
mircea_popescu etc, [11:24]
ozbot The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [11:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06778263 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2} [11:25]
Naphex ;;ident [11:26]
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mircea_popescu Naphex cool. [11:37]
mircea_popescu Naphex email. [11:41]
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mircea_popescu !up CheckDavid [11:50]
assbot Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes. [11:50]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid [11:50]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014 [11:50]
CheckDavid How does it work here now mircea_popescu ? [11:51]
fluffypony CheckDavid: [11:51]
mircea_popescu ^ [11:52]
CheckDavid Why not on the topic? [11:52]
mircea_popescu possibly because we prefer people ask [11:53]
mircea_popescu otherwise because it was never considered [11:53]
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CheckDavid I see. [11:53]
CheckDavid Glad I asked then. [11:53]
CheckDavid I have 0 trust :( [11:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00095232 = 3.714 BTC [-] [11:54]
mircea_popescu you gotta get in the trustlist of someone assbot trusts [11:54]
CheckDavid I am not doing much business in here or even trading a single satoshi around [11:56]
CheckDavid So I don't know much ways on how to do that with begging [11:56]
CheckDavid Without [11:57]
mircea_popescu the idea is that if you don't trade you prolly don't need voice. [11:57]
mircea_popescu < that's the philosophy involved. [11:57]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [11:57]
CheckDavid Actually I'm doing business [11:58]
fluffypony CheckDavid: go do some trades in -otc then? always good to have some historical ratings on the WoT [11:58]
CheckDavid I will ask around for that [11:58]
fluffypony there ya go :) [11:59]
CheckDavid Such a hassle to authenticate with gribble on a mobile device [11:59]
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mircea_popescu CheckDavid if you're doing business, then you're definitely doing business with someone here at some point, or with someone they know. [11:59]
mircea_popescu a 1 isn't so hard to get historically. [11:59]
CheckDavid I see. I will get it [12:00]
mircea_popescu i suspect the reason why good crypto is a hassle on smartphones is exactly what one'd expect. [12:00]
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CheckDavid How do you map a reason to an expectation? [12:01]
CheckDavid Your English is too advanced for me [12:02]
CheckDavid lol [12:02]
mircea_popescu ie, that it's not accidental, but deliberate, as part of a broader govt sponsored industry agreement to keep mobiles weak cryptographically [12:02]
fluffypony goes back to the NSA convo from yesterday [12:02]
CheckDavid Oh. NSA kinda stuff then rifht,? [12:03]
CheckDavid I see [12:03]
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mircea_popescu as teh observation goes, all nsa successes to date are social engineering, not mathematical. [12:04]
mircea_popescu even if bounce would like us to believe they;'re smart, the record is actulaly that they're devious instead. [12:04]
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chetty doesn't gubermint and devious mean the same thing? [12:05]
CheckDavid Who needs to be smart when you can fool a genius? [12:05]
CheckDavid Lol [12:05]
mircea_popescu [12:05]
ozbot Unique Ax Uses Physics to Make Wood Chopping Smarter, Not Harder | [12:05]
mircea_popescu check this shit out [12:05]
mircea_popescu that's the best looking fucking axe i've ever seen [12:06]
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CheckDavid mircea_popescu: bunch of coolness in there [12:10]
mircea_popescu :p [12:10]
CheckDavid I was sent a proposal to represent a business in acquiring projects for them on a commission based rewards schedule. [12:11]
CheckDavid It's startup in the it industry [12:11]
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davout mircea_popescu: i recall visiting some old farm, and being shown tools that looked rudimentary, but were in fact perfectly balances as to minimize the strain on the farmer [12:12]
CheckDavid But confused me is how the commissions are based on the profit, and not on the sales volume or revenue [12:12]
davout s/balances/balanced/ [12:12]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid hm ? [12:12]
mircea_popescu davout indeed. [12:12]
CheckDavid mircea_popescu: the proposed commissions on the draft are based on profit [12:13]
CheckDavid Like. X% of the profit generated from my sale [12:13]
CheckDavid I have never seen this [12:13]
punkman that axe looks like it might be awkward when chopping horizontally [12:14]
chetty sounds like a bad deal CheckDavid , company can just spend whatever of ads and exec salaries and you get squat [12:15]
CheckDavid I know chetty . that's why I found it weird [12:15]
CheckDavid Dissimulating profits is a pretty straightforward process [12:16]
fluffypony CheckDavid: based on gross profit or net profit? [12:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo [12:16]
CheckDavid It just says profit in the draft [12:17]
mircea_popescu punkman definitely. seems vertical. [12:17]
CheckDavid But it's just a draft [12:17]
fluffypony I mean, I can understand if there's a fixed CoS and they're calling (CoS - Sales) "profit" [12:17]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid i dunno what this is about ?! [12:17]
CheckDavid mircea_popescu: just a contract for sales rep that sets commissions to be based on profit instead of sales volume [12:18]
CheckDavid I was just wondering if this is normal [12:18]
CheckDavid Because I have never seen this kind of arrangement before [12:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00095239 = 9.1906 BTC [+] [12:19]
mircea_popescu well... profit and sales volume correlate [12:20]
mircea_popescu so i guess it's just an arbitrary different comission % [12:20]
mircea_popescu item sells for 10k, profit is 1k, make 1% of net sales or 10% of net profit, same deal, you make 100 bux per item [12:20]
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mircea_popescu !up CheckDavid [12:20]
fluffypony CheckDavid: there is actually some precedent - I have a very good friend who moved here from Sweden to sell industrial cleaning equipment/supplies. he knows the cost of the product, and dependent on the size of the sale he can offer a discount to the client. his comm is based on the "profit" in that it's (sales - cost of sales), so he won't offer a discount on small sales but might determine it worthwhile reducing his comm on a larger sale [12:20]
assbot Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes. [12:20]
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mircea_popescu yeah it's kinda how large deals work. industrial equipment is a perfect example. [12:22]
mircea_popescu rarely used in consumer/retail [12:22]
mircea_popescu anywya, if you're working for a start-up you want either equity or a salary. [12:23]
CheckDavid mircea_popescu: yes. But it's for IT contracts. All contracts are different and have different details [12:23]
mircea_popescu in NO case do you work for a startup on a comission basis wtf is this, the land of where they get shit for free ? [12:23]
CheckDavid I see fluffypony . actually make sense [12:24]
CheckDavid mircea_popescu: really? I don't see why not [12:24]
CheckDavid It's sales after all [12:24]
mircea_popescu nope. [12:24]
mircea_popescu it's building their equity. either they pay for it or you get a share of it. [12:25]
CheckDavid I see. [12:25]
CheckDavid Well. [12:25]
CheckDavid The contacts I generate are supposed to generate life time commissions [12:25]
mircea_popescu so this is why you get equity [12:26]
mircea_popescu so that they DO generate lifetime comissions. [12:26]
CheckDavid Interesting point [12:26]
fluffypony yeah [12:26]
mircea_popescu people either mean what they say or they lie to you. [12:26]
mircea_popescu always very easy to find out which. just, need a little experience in business. [12:26]
fluffypony otherwise after a year or two the company can "fold" and reopen to service all the old clients, cutting you out the loop [12:27]
mircea_popescu "can". heh. [12:27]
CheckDavid I see. [12:27]
CheckDavid Though I was thinking about starting collaboration in a more informal manner. [12:27]
mircea_popescu informal only works if you're either part of the core or part of a group that can squish them. [12:28]
fluffypony there was a rental agency that had this awesome comm structure - find a tenant and you get half of their management fee for the lifetime of the tenant (they charge ~10% of the rent as a management fee) [12:28]
mircea_popescu that's why founderds deals work informally, and VCs deals not so much. [12:28]
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CheckDavid I see. [12:28]
CheckDavid I am sure that works for you. [12:28]
CheckDavid But maybe I'm not in your position [12:29]
CheckDavid A position of experience and financial success [12:29]
fluffypony they exploded, dominated the scene as everyone referred their friends and all the home owners wanted tenants through them [12:29]
fluffypony fast forward 2 years and they "go bankrupt" and this new crowd that registered a business like a month ago "buys" all their existing contracts and databases and everything for $100 or something stupid [12:29]
CheckDavid For lack of better words [12:29]
mircea_popescu fluffypony happens all the damned time. i know like... two lawyers that ever successfully litigated the sort of shit [12:29]
mircea_popescu one of them's smoking hot too. [12:29]
fluffypony someone eventually connects that the new company is owned by the other guy's brother-in-law...cue shitstorm of epic proportions, but they got away with it because laws. [12:30]
CheckDavid I see [12:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1002 @ 0.00095239 = 0.9543 BTC [+] [12:32]
CheckDavid I gotta hustle though [12:32]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid jus' sayin'. in the end you do what you gotta do, but always better if you know the score than if you don't. [12:32]
CheckDavid The score? Isnt that only known in the end of the game? [12:33]
CheckDavid I thought you were still telling me the rules of the game. [12:33]
CheckDavid Haha. My total lack of knowledge of these expressions. [12:33]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah, but I think the legal framework in the EU in general is more mature...ZA law is Dutch-Roman with some British influence, but there's lots of stuff that has only come about more recently (eg. modern regulation of securities only happened with the Securities Services Act of 2004) [12:34]
mircea_popescu anyone seen gloria ? [12:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, it's a great film. [12:38]
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mircea_popescu !up toddf [12:40]
assbot Voicing toddf for 30 minutes. [12:40]
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mircea_popescu !up LeMarkz [12:40]
assbot Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes. [12:40]
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mircea_popescu [12:41]
ozbot Gloria [12:41]
mircea_popescu "Fuck! He don't know the score. He sees a dame like you and a guy like me. He don't know." [12:41]
mircea_popescu said by a 6 yo puerto rican kid on the lam to a 50 yo retired blonde prostitute. [12:41]
toddf so am i in a void or is any news or chatter about just nonexistent? ;-) [12:42]
mircea_popescu ;;google picostocks [12:42]
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toddf ok so even here, chatter about picostocks is .. dated [12:44]
jurov orly [12:45]
ozbot Chase Bank Slams the Door on More Porn Stars - [12:45]
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mircea_popescu toddf it's a scam. forget about it already, move on. [12:46]
toddf mircea_popescu: picostocks + cointerra sure [12:47]
toddf I've put some money in, and have already returned my investment plus, keeps on truckin, so .. 100th at least seems not to be a scam to me [12:47]
toddf there are clearly bot based traders present, but how is that new vs other exchanges [12:47]
mircea_popescu [12:48]
ozbot [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] | [12:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06778368 = 0.3389 BTC [+] [12:48]
mircea_popescu this is a poor argument. if you read the logs you'll see you're by no means singular in making that error. [12:48]
toddf yes I've followed the thread, same content as on [12:49]
mircea_popescu yeah, it's the forum of record [12:49]
toddf so "I made money, just curious to talk to others who are also there" is a bad argument? [12:49]
cazalla toddf: shamefur dispray [12:49]
mircea_popescu (keeps everything, including the posts mods try to hide) [12:49]
mircea_popescu toddf it is, yes. [12:50]
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mircea_popescu it's an exact restatement of "driving faster than i can handle the car while drunk is safe, because i got home alright" [12:50]
mircea_popescu you will get fucked one day, and that day you will lose more than all your aggregate gains. [12:50]
mircea_popescu ask jurov, ask bugpowder, ask duffer ask what, dozens of people. [12:51]
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mircea_popescu every single pirate investor "made money". until they didn't. [12:51]
toddf hmm, guess I'll focus on refining my trading bot [12:51]
mircea_popescu rithm is not voiced, so he can't say anything about thatg :D [12:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06779999 = 0.339 BTC [+] [12:53]
toddf if ppl not voiced wanna privchat me about picostocks fine. so .. I'll ensure I have net positive out and consinder continued income non reliable .. *shrug*. [12:53]
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jurov [12:55]
jurov blockchain bombardment from orbit [12:55]
toddf yeah, that was interesting news when i first read about it [12:55]
toddf akin to broadcasting usenet news from orbit [12:55]
toddf wonder when someone will skip the expense and simply start broadcasting bitcoin blocks via usenet .. which then can come to you .. from orbit .. [12:56]
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toddf 'course not the nifty easy receiver mobile device and all that but hey, multiple paths mean more resiliancy right? [12:57]
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mircea_popescu jurov twas here yest :D [13:18]
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Naphex rainy day [13:43]
Naphex ;/ [13:43]
jurov hm, that's like 1000 lines ago [13:44]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen ThickAsThieves [13:58]
gribble ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: fukn ponzi [13:58]
mircea_popescu ;;seen dooglus [13:59]
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ThickAsThieves good morn [14:20]
ThickAsThieves so the neo software guys responded, you'll like this [14:22]
Anduck neo as? [14:22]
fluffypony Neo&Bee [14:22]
Anduck what he responded? [14:22]
ThickAsThieves read the logs [14:22]
fluffypony the (former) software devs are still figuring things out [14:22]
Anduck ThickAsThieves: no [14:22]
fluffypony and ThickAsThieves asked them to come here and chat to us [14:22]
Anduck will they come? [14:23]
Anduck is there a good summary of that whole neo bee casE? [14:23]
ThickAsThieves ... [14:23]
fluffypony let's find out...back to you in the studio, ThickAsThieves [14:23]
Anduck sorry [14:23]
Anduck they give + to people with no news knowledge [14:23]
Anduck x [14:23]
Anduck D [14:23]
fluffypony Anduck: [14:23]
ThickAsThieves ;;gettrust anduck [14:23]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012 [14:23]
fluffypony goot starting point [14:23]
fluffypony *good [14:23]
Anduck ok [14:24]
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Anduck !up only [14:24]
assbot Voicing only for 30 minutes. [14:24]
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Anduck buwahhahahahw [14:24]
ThickAsThieves anduck. what i am referring to has absolutely nothing to do with revelations about what happened to make Neo fall [14:25]
Anduck alright [14:25]
ThickAsThieves for the most part, that situation is now up to Danny and the authorities [14:25]
ThickAsThieves "HI John, [14:26]
ThickAsThieves thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps. [14:26]
ThickAsThieves We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes. [14:26]
ThickAsThieves We registered on and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. [14:26]
ThickAsThieves Thanks much! [14:26]
ThickAsThieves Michalis" [14:26]
fluffypony l [14:26]
fluffypony o [14:26]
fluffypony l [14:26]
Anduck btw [14:26]
Anduck tldr neo bee CEO ran with coins, all others are innocent? [14:26]
ThickAsThieves you could really benefit from understanding the world around you in its true form [14:27]
ThickAsThieves rather than converting everything into a summary [14:27]
Anduck true [14:27]
Anduck but i am leaving in 2 mins [14:27]
Anduck no time to read big papers [14:27]
ThickAsThieves it can wait [14:27]
Anduck true [14:27]
ThickAsThieves [14:28]
ozbot Andy Warhol's Amiga computer art found 30 years later | The Verge [14:28]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you have a mpex acct right ? [14:29]
ThickAsThieves yes [14:29]
Anduck lol [14:29]
mircea_popescu ok i got a business proposition for you [14:29]
ThickAsThieves shoot [14:29]
ThickAsThieves did you know that Amiga pixels were rectangles, not squares [14:30]
mircea_popescu it goes like this : the s.mpif is going to be reporting its assets monthly. meanwhile it will probably trade. there should be a mechanism to buy/sell shares to ensure the market stays liquid and more or less alligned to net value. so what i want to do is : [14:30]
mircea_popescu ima make you a s.mpif manager, give you 50 BTC , your job is to try and make a profit trading s.mpif of mpex. [14:30]
mircea_popescu you get a 10% cut of the results, report your trades monthly. [14:30]
mircea_popescu this is also good because it gives some anchor to the fund [14:31]
mircea_popescu (it's roughjly the equivalent of a normal ib liquidity clause) [14:31]
ThickAsThieves i will have some questions, probly in private [14:31]
ThickAsThieves been awake 10min also [14:31]
mircea_popescu take your time. [14:31]
ThickAsThieves thanks [14:31]
mircea_popescu kinda planning to announce the management rooster today, you'd be the 5th. [14:31]
Anduck what is mpif? [14:32]
Anduck mircea popescus investment fund i assume [14:32]
mircea_popescu Anduck tsk tsk not reading teh logs are we [14:32]
fluffypony Anduck: [14:32]
Anduck i never read logs if i am not hilighted [14:32]
ThickAsThieves well, quit leaning on us to fill in your brain holes! [14:32]
fluffypony kakobrekla: can you make assbot ping Anduck every day at a random time? :-P [14:32]
mircea_popescu !down Anduck [14:32]
assbot mircea_popescu, you can't do that to Anduck. [14:32]
mircea_popescu tsk. [14:32]
Anduck mircea_popescu: haha [14:33]
Anduck off i go [14:33]
Anduck -< [14:33]
mircea_popescu you get the point. [14:33]
davout <<< lmao [14:34]
ozbot MagicalTux? [14:34]
ThickAsThieves mp you see my quoted email from Neo software guys? [14:34]
ThickAsThieves it's like a dream [14:35]
mircea_popescu i didnt get to lulz yet, still working on you know, actual things :D [14:35]
ThickAsThieves word [14:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0009556 = 2.2457 BTC [+] [14:36]
fluffypony davout:;u=2134 [14:36]
fluffypony "No one will ever beat this guy's record." [14:36]
fluffypony lawl [14:36]
davout ;;gettrust MagicalTux [14:37]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -7 via 6 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010 [14:37]
davout ;;rate MagicalTux -10 [14:38]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded. [14:38]
davout ;;rate mtgox -10 [14:38]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mtgox has been recorded. [14:38]
davout now back to more productive endeavours [14:38]
mircea_popescu ;;rated magicaltux [14:39]
gribble You have not yet rated user magicaltux [14:39]
mircea_popescu heh. [14:39]
mircea_popescu ;;rate magicaltux -1 Overly large fuckwit. [14:39]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user magicaltux has been recorded. [14:39]
davout ;;rated jgarzik [14:39]
gribble You have not yet rated user jgarzik [14:39]
davout ;;gettrust jgarzik [14:39]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:30 2010 [14:39]
ThickAsThieves ;;rate MagicalTux -10 took all my lulz away [14:39]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [14:39]
fluffypony lol - "If gox is solvent I'll buy you a Frappucino" [14:39]
ThickAsThieves weird [14:39]
ThickAsThieves i never logged out [14:39]
ThickAsThieves gribble blinked? [14:39]
ThickAsThieves i still haz voice tho [14:40]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: was offline for a bit [14:40]
ThickAsThieves hax [14:40]
davout ;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites [14:40]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user jgarzik has been recorded. [14:40]
davout ;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites, dat bounty [14:40]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jgarzik has changed from 3 to 3. [14:40]
davout ;;gettrust ladybytes [14:40]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user ladybytes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [14:40]
mircea_popescu Al Gore asserted that it’s crucial for global philanthropists to impose “fertility management” on Africa. [14:40]
mircea_popescu if you like your big penis you can keep your big penis. [14:41]
asciilifeform snippetysnip [14:42]
davout ;;rate justmoon 1 met IRL, nice guy [14:43]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justmoon has been recorded. [14:43]
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fluffypony looking at the new TLDs that are available...I can get [14:43]
fluffypony lawl [14:43]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: is still available [14:44]
mircea_popescu i couldn't care less tbh [14:44]
davout ;;rate molecular 1 met IRL, nice guy [14:45]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user molecular has been recorded. [14:45]
ThickAsThieves ceo is a domain tld? [14:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00095222 = 9.3318 BTC [-] {2} [14:46]
asciilifeform do we get a '.wtf' ? [14:46]
ThickAsThieves or .dotdot [14:46]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yerp [14:48]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: you can get [14:49]
fluffypony .enterprises is also available [14:49]
ozbot -.- [14:49]
ozbot -.- [14:49]
ozbot earn currently unavailable [14:49]
fluffypony ozbot: I think I confused you [14:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.52695644 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {5} [14:50]
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fluffypony wealth consultant? [14:50]
jurov in practice just salesman of "life insurance" [14:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-] [14:51]
fluffypony ah ok [14:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04150006 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3} [14:52]
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mircea_popescu blutjunge.verführerinnen ftw [14:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.031988 = 0.128 BTC [-] [14:53]
mircea_popescu jurov i love how english berating and german beratung are cognates. [14:53]
asciilifeform lol! [14:53]
mircea_popescu consultancy, in the germanz view, is "omfg you are so stupid i can not even believe how stupid you are" [14:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04111429 = 0.2878 BTC [-] {2} [14:56]
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thestringpuller kakobrekla: what kind of bot is assbot? [15:04]
ThickAsThieves a kind one [15:04]
thestringpuller >:( unlike ThickAsThieves [15:04]
asciilifeform 'tis a machine that threads arses. thought this was clear. [15:05]
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mircea_popescu supybot i thought [15:08]
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asciilifeform [15:09]
ozbot #tex2html_wrap430# [15:09]
asciilifeform ^ promised this to people at the conference [15:09]
kakobrekla its not supy [15:10]
kakobrekla i made it so its not anything [15:10]
kakobrekla it was coded way before -assets tbh, then repurchased [15:11]
kakobrekla eh [15:11]
kakobrekla autofail [15:11]
kakobrekla repurposed [15:11]
kakobrekla interestingly it tries to fix the correct word. [15:12]
asciilifeform phun phact. you can't buy a XC6216 now - for love or money. [15:12]
kakobrekla anyway im off for a couple of hrs. later [15:12]
asciilifeform (XC6216 was the one and only known fpga where random wiring was guaranteed -never- to release the magic smoke.) [15:13]
asciilifeform it was also the only xilinx chip with 100% documented internals. [15:15]
mircea_popescu << updated, lots of stuff. including teh managers/pcs etc. [15:18]
ozbot The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [15:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00095439 = 0.44 BTC [+] [15:18]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: crew man #5 (TaT) sort of reminds me of my first exposure to MPEx. [15:24]
mircea_popescu how so ? [15:25]
asciilifeform well, it was 'here, try to make profit, do what you like' [15:25]
mircea_popescu hehe [15:25]
asciilifeform 'here's a chaingun, kid, have fun' [15:25]
mircea_popescu it's how you treat kids you'd like to see grow up into people. [15:26]
asciilifeform i assume all five fronts are manually-driven, like soviet nuke subs ? [15:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00095197 = 3.6651 BTC [-] [15:28]
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chetty [15:31]
asciilifeform chetty: lol, mein Führer is permitted near a robot ?! [15:32]
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davout mircea_popescu: mazeltov for S.MPIF ! [15:33]
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chetty asciilifeform, he is bowing to it [15:35]
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asciilifeform chetty: good time for a tragic 'bug', i'd say. [15:36]
chetty awww [15:36]
mircea_popescu davout :D [15:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, which is why they have their own managers [15:37]
asciilifeform in his place, i'd avoid standing next to programmable hydraulics. [15:38]
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jurov did obama try google car yet? [15:39]
chetty asciilifeform, nah he has best insurance policy - its called Biden [15:39]
asciilifeform lol [15:39]
asciilifeform [15:40]
mircea_popescu benkay sure. a lot of excellent application for homomorphisms in crypto, many of them empowered/exposed by bitcoin [15:40]
mircea_popescu and the subsequent developments in finance. [15:40]
asciilifeform homomorph? what'd i miss in the log? [15:41]
asciilifeform damn [15:41]
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asciilifeform benkay: "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control << this is an entire science. see, for instance, Pascal Paillier's boojum. [15:43]
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mircea_popescu whoa [15:46]
mircea_popescu apparently i'm huge in china [15:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00455081 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {3} [15:47]
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mircea_popescu <<< funny how fucking wrong he were :D [15:53]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [15:53]
mircea_popescu i mean... not a single correct one at all. 0. zilch. nada. [15:53]
mircea_popescu "i will take my prize in atc" the man says. [15:54]
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asciilifeform now toast to the five sappers. may they never err. [15:55]
mircea_popescu centanni [15:56]
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Naphex woot. new servers got here :D [15:58]
Naphex time to do some benchs [15:58]
Naphex 2xE5-2640v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 8x256GB(SAM/SSD) - LSI9271-8i 2RU :D [15:59]
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fluffypony nice [16:00]
asciilifeform ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? [16:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:01]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: how bout a toast to true capitalism? [16:01]
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Naphex 2xE5-2620v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 2x600GB(ST/SAS) - LSi9260-4i 1RU [16:02]
Naphex for the smallies [16:02]
Naphex :D [16:02]
mircea_popescu chetty [16:04]
Naphex haha [16:05]
mircea_popescu [16:06]
mircea_popescu this dude [16:06]
mircea_popescu why is he not in the wot is what i wanna know. clearly he's seeking the approval of the people that make the world turn [16:06]
Naphex - i loled hard :)) [16:07]
ozbot You got goxed - Gfycat [16:07]
mircea_popescu hey, DRKP or KDPR or DERP or wtf it's called secret services : drop the man a memo wtf. [16:07]
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fluffypony ;;rate kimjongun 1 our glorious leader [16:08]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [16:08]
fluffypony :( [16:08]
asciilifeform if the kid can sign up for 'warcraft', why not wot ? [16:09]
mircea_popescu cause the idjits at his ss ain't doin' their job. [16:10]
mircea_popescu you hear me ? put down the white powder and get to work, pancakefaces! [16:10]
fluffypony pankkakefaces? [16:10]
mircea_popescu well they're not french [16:10]
mircea_popescu "1 in 7 crimes committed in New York City now involves an Apple product being stolen." [16:11]
mircea_popescu APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG [16:11]
davout betar ban ny [16:17]
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HeySteve looks like some gox coins went into maidsafe [16:19]
HeySteve [16:19]
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HeySteve how you guys all doing today? [16:20]
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fluffypony well, it it's good enough for Karpeles, it's good enough for me [16:27]
* fluffypony invests all his ATC in MaidSafe [16:28]
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Luke-Jr [13:11:59] APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG <-- please! [16:29]
asciilifeform s/banned/mandatory [16:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00095084 = 3.2329 BTC [-] [16:31]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded. [16:36]
fluffypony Naphex: opinion on Voxility srl? [16:36]
chetty [16:36]
ozbot Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 033601 (2013) - Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced [16:36]
asciilifeform chetty: next thing we know, we're using delay-line storage again. [16:37]
asciilifeform and it's 1958 again. [16:37]
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chetty asciilifeform, sometimes I think that would be an improvement [16:39]
Naphex fluffypony: never used them. but i'n genereal i wouldn't run bitcoin services on anything else then dedicated owned servers :P [16:39]
fluffypony Naphex: I'm not, just a friend using them for his ownCloud data (1gbps colocated box) [16:40]
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asciilifeform ;;rate hanbot 1 had the honour of meeting this user in person. [16:41]
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Naphex i'm not a fan of the cloud [16:42]
Naphex i still prefer having my own serves(bought hardware), coloc'd at industrial datacenters [16:42]
Naphex where you get an account manager that you know [16:42]
Naphex :P [16:42]
fluffypony Naphex: - it's just a FOSS implementation of a Google Drive/DropBox style service, so you have to host your own server to run it [16:43]
asciilifeform that's like building a replica of public toilet in your house. [16:43]
asciilifeform sure, you can... but why [16:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [16:44]
fluffypony asciilifeform: if you're a company that doesn't want to trust your data to DropBox for sensitivity reasons, but still need to have similar functionality, it's great [16:44]
fluffypony not talking about über-paranoid data, but spreadsheets and docs and the like [16:44]
asciilifeform if you're inside friendly walls, even 'nfs' ought to suffice [16:46]
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Naphex off home. later [16:46]
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fluffypony asciilifeform: agreed, but this is for contractors and staff scattered all over the place; all ownCloud comm is over an https api [16:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [16:48]
fluffypony the dude looking at the MaidSafe investments: "I've traced back the BTC Guild admin too. There're big guys involved in this scam." [16:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12581 @ 0.00095187 = 11.9755 BTC [+] [16:51]
fluffypony ;;later tell bitcoinpete oh look, surprise surprise, stolen mtgox coins have been invested in MaidSafe - [16:51]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:51]
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HeySteve this rickety tincan s'effrican internet can go to the devil [16:53]
HeySteve learnt to tolerate most of it the time but writing breaking news is not the time for this crap [16:53]
fluffypony HeySteve: run a bouncer off a VPS or something, then you won't miss anything [16:54]
fluffypony HeySteve: MTN's fibre-to-the-home stuff is coming later this year [16:54]
HeySteve well there's the log, but it's that I'm trying to verify the story by searching about the blockchain and forum [16:54]
fluffypony should be a lot more stable than DSL [16:54]
HeySteve fluffypony, yeah just heard, praise jebus [16:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095084 = 3.0427 BTC [-] [16:55]
bounce pfft. some adsl is perfectly stable. [16:55]
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fluffypony bounce: depends on your distance to the MSAN here [16:56]
fluffypony most of our phone lines are still on wooden poles [16:56]
fluffypony with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole [16:57]
HeySteve eh, was just on roof with pole trying to connect to WUG but trees seem to have firmly occluded signals [16:57]
HeySteve not my year for comms [16:58]
HeySteve sure I could've got thru that to someone with better net, despite their "T&Cs" [16:58]
HeySteve [17:00]
fluffypony HeySteve: you linked to which is russian [17:02]
HeySteve damn [17:03]
HeySteve thanks man [17:03]
HeySteve just saw it was in english [17:04]
asciilifeform the hell's 'maidsafe' [17:04]
asciilifeform defence against 'evil maid attack' ? [17:04]
davout mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? [17:04]
HeySteve I ain't 100% sure myself but basically decentralised interwebs [17:04]
HeySteve a bit like Freenet I think [17:04]
asciilifeform if like freenet, it needs coin why? [17:05]
HeySteve seemed nice from the PR I guess? then there was some associated bullshit with Mastercoin pay-ins to get MaidSafe coins - I didn't really follow the story tho [17:05]
HeySteve so it seems scammy and now Karpeles is jumping in to the scam pool [17:05]
HeySteve apparently [17:05]
davout ;;rate hanbot 1 delivered a fuckton of worthy smackdowns [17:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00470969 = 0.3485 BTC [+] {2} [17:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095084 = 4.2788 BTC [-] [17:08]
ThickAsThieves welcome hanbot! [17:08]
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fluffypony asciilifeform: it's basically exactly like Freenet except for some reason they "need" $3.5 mil to write the software and launch [17:10]
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HeySteve fluffypony where did you find that quote from the guy looking into Maidsafe? [17:12]
fluffypony HeySteve: on the thread [17:12]
fluffypony lemme find it [17:12]
fluffypony HeySteve: [17:12]
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asciilifeform ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! [17:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC [17:16]
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HeySteve thanks [17:17]
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jurov you're welcome. coinbr customer or? [17:25]
fluffypony jurov: [16:04:49] <+davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? [17:25]
asciilifeform yes [17:25]
jurov oh :) [17:25]
asciilifeform fluffypony: they "need" $3.5 mil << one could build a... submarine. for this [17:26]
bounce and then you have a submarine. then what? [17:26]
fluffypony asciilifeform: so going back to your bitcoin-undersea-nodes idea;) [17:26]
asciilifeform bounce: unterseeminer [17:26]
fluffypony ^^ [17:26]
asciilifeform just example. [17:27]
ThickAsThieves the pinodecchio would need to be located in places deemed unfishable [17:27]
jurov how would they broadcast? ultrasound? or they'll automatically seek and tap fiber? [17:27]
asciilifeform ;;google SOFAR [17:27]
gribble Sofar Sounds: ; SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Eminem - So Far (Lyrics On Screen) - YouTube: [17:27]
bounce maybe cheaper to get a 2nd hand sea platform or something [17:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00095187 = 8.8048 BTC [+] [17:27]
asciilifeform bounce: platform - psh. the whole point is to put them where nosy parkers can't get at them [17:28]
asciilifeform or, when they do, barometer triggers detonator [17:28]
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bounce parkers? but wouldn't a cold war bunker be cheaper then? [17:29]
asciilifeform bounce: not if you want 10,000 of them [17:29]
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fluffypony if anyone wants me to put them down as a CoinBr referral...first to give me their invitation code gets it [17:29]
asciilifeform consider the cost of sailing to just one precisely-specified coordinate pair in the deep sea [17:30]
bounce that's 3.5e11 dollahs. maybe a little on the spendy side. [17:30]
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bounce oh, 3.5e10, my bad. [17:31]
asciilifeform point was, if the only object is to put machines in physically-inaccessible places, rather than cover the planet with radio, the sea is a more appropriate place than orbit. [17:31]
bounce do you need mobility? access? [17:31]
asciilifeform no mobility [17:31]
asciilifeform no repair [17:31]
asciilifeform just ampoules of inconel alloy, straddling the thermocline. [17:32]
asciilifeform with some very simplish silicon inside. [17:32]
bounce then concrete caissons might be more appropriate. [17:32]
asciilifeform 1km down? [17:32]
asciilifeform lol [17:32]
bounce why not? just thicken them up a bit. perhaps fill with cooling liquid if pressure becomes a problem. no need for air inside. [17:33]
asciilifeform no need for caissons. plain anchors would suffice. [17:34]
ThickAsThieves fluffypony Q9gPSuUvYS [17:34]
fluffypony oh there we go [17:34]
fluffypony just in time [17:35]
bounce you're trying to play a numbers game. why the spendy alloys when something stupid like concrete would do? [17:35]
jurov saltwater breaks down concrete [17:35]
jurov or at least permeates [17:36]
jurov you'd like your payload dry, i suppose [17:36]
bounce plastic liner, perhaps mineral oil instead of air for a filler [17:39]
bounce entirely underwater appears to be less of a problem than half-submerged [17:40]
bounce [17:42]
ozbot Salt-water Concrete - Concrete Construction [17:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03249999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2} [17:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0435 = 0.261 BTC [+] {2} [17:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2} [17:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-] [17:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19659 @ 0.00095061 = 18.688 BTC [-] {4} [17:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24041 @ 0.00094938 = 22.824 BTC [-] {2} [17:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC [18:01]
fluffypony crumbs, so someone suggested returning the mtgox coins sent to MaidSafe to the sender - so Dan Larimer from BitShares says: "Sending them back to the thief? That makes no sense. They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief." [18:02]
fluffypony meanwhile there are 6 hops between the "mtgox" address and the ScamSafe address, any of which could be an exchange or a tumbler [18:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00095187 = 9.4702 BTC [+] [18:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00094924 = 13.3843 BTC [-] {2} [18:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032948 = 0.1977 BTC [+] [18:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] [18:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [-] [18:15]
mike_c kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) [18:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] [18:16]
ThickAsThieves i have additional request, a "scroll to bottom" button on the log [18:17]
ThickAsThieves mostly for mobile [18:18]
mike_c to avoid having to press the 'end' key? [18:18]
mike_c ah [18:18]
ThickAsThieves unless there is some magical stroke in android? [18:18]
mike_c not that i know of [18:18]
jurov yes, for tables it's nice too. i had to install some obscure threefinger dolphin plugin [18:18]
jurov for "scroll to end" [18:19]
mike_c and if you're in there, small bug report: weight_current is an int, but weight_end is a string. [18:28]
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ThickAsThieves apparently i know a guy that knows a guy here: [18:44]
ThickAsThieves well, [18:44]
ThickAsThieves [18:44]
ThickAsThieves seems the offer options [18:44]
ThickAsThieves they [18:44]
mike_c multi-tiered multi-firewall. sounds secure! [18:45]
ThickAsThieves ^0^ [18:46]
benkay jurov that porn star bank thing is just unreal [18:48]
ThickAsThieves [18:49]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves [18:51]
fluffypony those are the guys that are partnering with that "National Stock Exchange" crowd? [18:51]
fluffypony yes looks like they are [18:52]
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benkay mircea_popescu: regarding the emacs thing, it's just a bit of lisp to make working with gribble and assbot a little more pleasant. [18:53]
benkay ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? [18:58]
fluffypony [19:01]
benkay who is hanbot ? [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.55993150 BTC to 7`105 shares, 36030 satoshi per share [19:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00095187 = 1.1137 BTC [+] [19:02]
benkay hanbot, who are you? [19:02]
benkay ;;gettrust hanbot [19:02]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask hanbot!~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot. Trust relationship from user benkay to user hanbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Dec 11 14:42:14 2013 [19:02]
asciilifeform benkay: hanbot aka mpoepr [19:02]
jurov ThickAsThieves: did you publish the email somewhere? [19:03]
benkay was hoping. nice to have you. [19:03]
benkay ;;rate hanbot 1 [19:03]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [19:03]
benkay wat [19:03]
benkay is there an ident timeout? [19:03]
benkay ;;eauth benkay [19:04]
gribble Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e. Get your encrypted OTP from [19:04]
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benkay ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b6805062a69d88d6bbd941cb26ed5f37f08141da4d583b9f9ce7e73e [19:04]
gribble You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA [19:04]
ThickAsThieves <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? /// wow, good call [19:04]
benkay ;;rate hanbot 1 [19:04]
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benkay still curious about timeout [19:05]
ThickAsThieves yes jurov the latest email says: HI John, [19:05]
ThickAsThieves thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps. [19:05]
ThickAsThieves We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes. [19:05]
ThickAsThieves We registered on and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. [19:05]
ThickAsThieves Thanks much! [19:05]
ThickAsThieves Michalis [19:05]
benkay ;;unrate fluffypony [19:05]
gribble Error: You have not given this nick a rating previously. [19:05]
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gribble Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball. [19:05]
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benkay ;;unrate dignork [19:06]
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benkay ;;unrate TestingUnoDosTres [19:06]
gribble Error: The target nick does not exist in the database. [19:06]
benkay ;;unrate TestingUnoDosTre [19:07]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for TestingUnoDosTre. [19:07]
benkay mas bueno. [19:07]
ThickAsThieves jurov otherwise i'll leave it to them to present a more elaborate document of their plan [19:07]
fluffypony benkay: mass unrates? [19:08]
ThickAsThieves looks like rates he gave for +m purposes [19:09]
benkay with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << and i thought the romanian internet situation was dire. [19:09]
benkay fluffypony, ThickAsThieves i'm testing a scarcity hunch [19:10]
benkay i'll let you know how it goes in a decade. [19:10]
fluffypony benkay: when the wind blows that piece of wire hits a tree and our Internet drops [19:10]
asciilifeform benkay: the romanian internet situation was dire << don't know about the rest of Ro, but in Timis. there were fiber bundles as thick as a man's neck, everywhere. [19:10]
fluffypony and we have reboot the router to reconnect [19:10]
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ThickAsThieves "At ZeroBlock, we encourage all exchanges in the bitcoin community to adopt FIX protocol, if they haven’t already. " [19:11]
ThickAsThieves mpex better get with teh programz! [19:11]
ThickAsThieves [19:11]
ozbot Zeroblock Releases FIX API Spec for Bitcoin Trading | Blockchain Blog [19:11]
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benkay asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posted a picture a few months back of the amusing repair job done on the wire into his house/ [19:12]
asciilifeform i think it was a plant of his, rather than house [19:13]
dexX7 ;;later tell fluffypony re: " still have to approve tags based on the reference material" -> [19:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:13]
benkay house, plant. employees, slaves... [19:14]
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fluffypony dexX7: LOL [19:14]
fluffypony admittedly their approval process isn't much of a process [19:15]
fluffypony "ctrl+f...ok cool approve" [19:15]
benkay unless there is some magical stroke in android? << my android has some magical strokes, ThickAsThieves, but i'm not sharing :D [19:17]
dexX7 hehe yup, something like that [19:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25030 @ 0.0009517 = 23.8211 BTC [-] {2} [19:17]
dexX7 it's pretty much worthless related to verification, e.g. [19:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> s/banned/mandatory << interestingly enough, these two are practically the same thing. [19:19]
asciilifeform 'all which is not forbidden is compulsory' [19:19]
mircea_popescu Naphex where are you hosting, tesari's magical oradea dc ? [19:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 223 @ 0.00084219 = 0.1878 BTC {2} [19:21]
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Naphex mircea_popescu: gts telecom [19:24]
Naphex bucharest [19:24]
Naphex deficated locked down racks [19:24]
mircea_popescu with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << funny, that's how romania does optic fibre. [19:25]
Naphex highly recommend it [19:25]
benkay defecated racks?! [19:25]
benkay now with poop security. [19:25]
asciilifeform dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << exactly what i have here [19:26]
Naphex benkay: hehe sorry ben, using phone [19:26]
Naphex in bed and laizy :) [19:26]
benkay no apologies necessary. [19:26]
asciilifeform underground comms - expensive [19:26]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: FIX is quite an interesting, old (early 90's) protocol that is basically pipe-char separated key-values (key is always numeric and based on a predefined list), and you literally dump the ASCII over a TCP session [19:26]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: slides - [19:26]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? < aye [19:26]
Naphex fix sucks [19:27]
fluffypony asciilifeform: when we were still in Cape Town it had all been replaced with underground in our area, so it was dangly piece of wire straight into plastic trunking at the curb [19:27]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! <<< women aren't human! [19:27]
Naphex but i wrote a interface for it just in case :p [19:27]
mircea_popescu and then you have a submarine. then what? << then they could hold their breath ? :D [19:28]
fluffypony Naphex: it's significantly faster for HFT than a RESTful API :) [19:28]
Naphex for sure [19:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: martian? [19:28]
fluffypony Naphex: I'm impressed you're ready to support it, you should go tell Blockchain that you're the first in the world to do so :-P [19:29]
fluffypony Naphex: [19:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform venusian! [19:29]
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asciilifeform lol [19:29]
Naphex will deff integrate with rtbtc [19:30]
Naphex zeroblock [19:30]
mircea_popescu i think you misunderstand the entire maidsafe thing. they just saw the bitbet treatment of late bets and are trying to implement something a) bigger and b) community-positive. [19:30]
mircea_popescu missing the point that it's small and community-negative FOR FUCKING REASONS [19:31]
mircea_popescu because that's what the would-be smart idiots not in here do : they misinterpret and misread my designs. [19:31]
mircea_popescu rather luciferic. [19:31]
fluffypony I don't understand...maidsafe's trying to do a bitbet? [19:32]
mircea_popescu the entire " They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, ~or used for development of maidsafe~..." thing [19:32]
fluffypony oh Danny boy's quote, tks, have context nao [19:33]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves> <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers << lol i actually said EXACTLY that. [19:33]
ThickAsThieves so maidsafe wants to moderate what color money itll accept now? [19:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00095176 = 4.4181 BTC [+] [19:33]
mircea_popescu We registered on and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. << this can't possibly go any other way than lulz [19:34]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: yerz...hence this post: [19:34]
ThickAsThieves cuz taking on celebrity bitcoin advisers has worked so well so far [19:34]
ThickAsThieves your blog is pretty [19:35]
mircea_popescu mpex better get with teh programz! << who's zeroblock is more the q. [19:35]
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Naphex mircea_popescu: former rtbtc [19:35]
mircea_popescu !up dooglus [19:35]
assbot Voicing dooglus for 30 minutes. [19:35]
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mircea_popescu dooglus you know how to up yourself ? [19:36]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: tks, it's jekyll, which generates static html from markdown basically, and uses this jekyll theme: [19:36]
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mircea_popescu deficated locked down racks << only way to go, wd. [19:36]
mircea_popescu fix sucks << fix sucks in the sense the old volga car sucks. [19:37]
mircea_popescu it WAS a great beast. no longer very useful other than an old codger who once ruled his slice of the world, [19:37]
mircea_popescu to learn from. [19:37]
Naphex thq thq [19:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9285 @ 0.00095453 = 8.8628 BTC [+] {2} [19:37]
Naphex severs rock too, should carry lots [19:38]
mircea_popescu !up efalken [19:38]
assbot Voicing efalken for 30 minutes. [19:38]
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mircea_popescu Hello! [19:38]
ThickAsThieves if anyone is feeling like a cringe: [19:39]
mircea_popescu everyone : efalken is the guy who wrote the piece about mimics we read earlier [19:39]
ThickAsThieves efalken has seen the forums yet? :) [19:40]
mircea_popescu lol. i'm trying to argue this angle where bitcoin is for intelligent life forms. [19:40]
fluffypony REIMAGINE EVERYTHING [19:40]
* fluffypony reimagines sex and buy BitShares [19:40]
mircea_popescu ;;us thq [19:41]
gribble Error: "us" is not a valid command. [19:41]
mircea_popescu ;;ud thq [19:41]
gribble | Jun 24, 2007 ... THQ. abreviation for "team hit and quit" one guy dates a girl, fucks her, dumps her , and then his friend does the same. Me and my best friend ... [19:41]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: THQ [19:41]
mircea_popescu Naphex srsly ? [19:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.0009564 = 15.3407 BTC [+] {3} [19:42]
Naphex Naphex: seriously what?:o [19:42]
Naphex damn phone, sec let me move [19:42]
mircea_popescu phones are so useful :D [19:43]
benkay mircea_popescu: you starve me of my due credit oh bitlord [19:43]
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benkay welcome efalken [19:43]
mircea_popescu benkay what'd i do ? [19:43]
benkay i suppose anyone can stitch the falken links together [19:44]
mircea_popescu meanwhile from the sad news department, what'll be the jd s.mpif investment stands at 49.99508744 [19:44]
benkay BUT I CRAVE APPROVAL [19:44]
mircea_popescu we're already in the red ;/ [19:44]
mircea_popescu benkay wait wait be explicit [19:44]
jurov should have invested in coinroll [19:45]
asciilifeform since i've been living under a rock, i gotta ask - is jd just sd with new fuel rods? [19:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's sd done by a better guy, with a better model. [19:45]
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benkay mircea_popescu: i believe i brought the mimicry post to everyone's attention. [19:45]
benkay but anyways. [19:45]
mircea_popescu benkay so you did! [19:46]
mircea_popescu if anyone proposes we devoice you i'll make sure to mention it, how about that ? :D [19:46]
benkay whatever irrelevant. the joke was actually about whiny young americans. [19:46]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: take the 0.00491256 difference out of my Trilema credits [19:46]
fluffypony :-P [19:46]
mircea_popescu i'll be all like, "naw man, who;s gonna bring us the good mimes anymoar" [19:46]
benkay har if i'm up for devoicing the sybils've won and i better skeedaddle anyways. [19:47]
mircea_popescu interesting how that works. [19:47]
mircea_popescu efalken to speak you type in the lower bar and hit enter [19:47]
jurov !up mjr_ [19:48]
assbot Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes. [19:48]
* assbot gives voice to mjr_ [19:48]
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mircea_popescu !up tris [19:48]
assbot Voicing tris for 30 minutes. [19:48]
* assbot gives voice to tris [19:48]
fluffypony tris: every time I see your host I think you're from Etherium and have come to convince me to "invest" [19:48]
ThickAsThieves that would be lovely [19:49]
mircea_popescu isn't it ethereum ? [19:49]
ThickAsThieves vitalik should come for a visit [19:49]
mircea_popescu so tell him. [19:49]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: ah yes, I can never remember [19:49]
mircea_popescu the nefarious influence of mp : ThickAsThieves wants to ask me q's in private, ends up making a new blog to publish the results on. [19:51]
mircea_popescu basically... i'm the denudificator. [19:51]
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asciilifeform verführer ? [19:52]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. [19:52]
mircea_popescu isn't that a demon ? [19:53]
asciilifeform 'seducer' (leader-astray) [19:53]
asciilifeform you taught us the word today [19:53]
mircea_popescu zersetzungszelle verführer! [19:54]
benkay ;;seen randomcat [19:54]
gribble I have not seen randomcat. [19:54]
benkay ;;seen random_cat [19:54]
gribble random_cat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: next year? [19:54]
benkay !up random_cat_ [19:54]
assbot Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes. [19:54]
* assbot gives voice to random_cat_ [19:54]
benkay hey random_cat_ [19:54]
benkay lol 3 pings. ideally that'll get someone's attention. [19:54]
mircea_popescu !jd [19:55]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 16297 BTC profit, 35.9k BTC invested, 1092.27 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered [19:55]
asciilifeform where's tat's blog ? [19:55]
mircea_popescu cooking. [19:56]
Naphex mircea_popescu: q, if user wants to change gpg key. req gpgauth. if lost only real-life iding process will recover [19:56]
Naphex sounds right? [19:56]
Naphex IDing [19:56]
mircea_popescu it's how nanotube runs the wot. [19:56]
mircea_popescu probably should include proeminent warnings to ppls. [19:56]
asciilifeform wait he forgives lost keys ?!?!? [19:56]
jurov < naphex [19:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you beg him. [19:56]
mircea_popescu and he knows you. [19:56]
mircea_popescu maybe. [19:56]
jurov oh he meant wot [19:57]
Naphex thx jurov [19:57]
asciilifeform lost key, lost soul [19:57]
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Naphex there are clients who go and wait by the atmi [19:58]
Naphex after selling their btc [19:59]
Naphex without hitting withdraw. then they call mad [19:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06778 = 0.2711 BTC [-] [19:59]
mircea_popescu lmao [19:59]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't touch the romanian derpage, myself. [19:59]
Naphex or others who just fill the deposit form [19:59]
Naphex and wait for us to withdraw money from their account [20:00]
Naphex :) [20:00]
mircea_popescu should just ship these fellows over to obama [20:00]
mircea_popescu i miss old style prisoner exchange things. "give me these guys that belong to us, you can have these twerps that'll prolly fit there better" [20:01]
mircea_popescu then one rainy night in berlin... [20:01]
asciilifeform Glienicke Brücke [20:02]
Naphex :)) [20:02]
asciilifeform unrelated: [20:02]
asciilifeform [20:02]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [20:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ^ what are these [20:03]
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asciilifeform zaporozhets? [20:03]
Naphex that a lada? :p [20:03]
mircea_popescu mnah. [20:03]
mircea_popescu that's a dacia 1310 [20:03]
mircea_popescu engine (2 cycle) is in the... back. [20:03]
asciilifeform [20:04]
mircea_popescu wait wrong [20:04]
mircea_popescu dacia 1100 [20:04]
asciilifeform (zaporozhets. my folks had one. very similar looking) [20:04]
mircea_popescu (bulgarrenault 8) [20:04]
mircea_popescu << 1950s advert. [20:05]
ozbot RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube [20:05]
Naphex la start! [20:05]
ozbot RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube [20:05]
Naphex omg [20:05]
Naphex :(( [20:05]
Naphex MD still talks like that:] [20:06]
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mircea_popescu 5/hour. bath paint. [20:06]
mircea_popescu 46cp, [20:06]
mircea_popescu Naphex md ? [20:07]
Naphex moldova [20:07]
mircea_popescu a [20:07]
* assbot gives voice to dooglus [20:08]
asciilifeform speaking of such ads, [20:08]
asciilifeform [20:08]
ozbot Tatra 603 ad - YouTube [20:08]
dooglus hi guys [20:08]
jurov welcome dooglus [20:08]
mircea_popescu hey dooglus [20:08]
jurov ;;ident dooglus [20:08]
gribble Nick 'dooglus', with hostmask 'dooglus!~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus', is identified as user 'dooglus', with GPG key id 4BE6A010492A358E, key fingerprint 258EAE7C26B1F2EBCFA180C04BE6A010492A358E, and bitcoin address 1Doog7asLrYah3yeUppBVj8nUYnFkmXm2N [20:08]
dooglus I noticed you had voiced me for 30 minutes about 31 minutes after it happened [20:09]
mircea_popescu lol [20:09]
mircea_popescu anyway, you id with gribble, you pm assbot !up and you're good. [20:09]
dooglus assbot ignores 'help' - but google told me about !up [20:09]
dooglus well, I did all that - or I wouldn't be talking now [20:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help [20:09]
mircea_popescu dooglus hehe yeah [20:10]
benkay would it be a terrible idea to allow people to request voice in chan via pm once every so many minutes? [20:10]
benkay via pm to assbot [20:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw what's the tatra truck thing ? god i loved those [20:11]
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asciilifeform ? [20:11]
mircea_popescu benkay like, once every half hour someone (anyone) can pm assbot "!plz" and assbot will dump in chan "Anyone wanna !up X?" [20:11]
asciilifeform still in business, it seems [20:12]
dooglus would it be useful if I made the S.MPIF Just-Dice account balance visible to the public? [20:12]
mircea_popescu dooglus it can't hurt anything. you know which it is ? [20:12]
dooglus I've no idea [20:12]
mircea_popescu sec [20:12]
benkay mircea_popescu: that's exactly it. [20:13]
mircea_popescu 700458 [20:13]
dooglus thanks [20:13]
mircea_popescu holy shit you've had a ton of new accts huh [20:13]
mircea_popescu this can't be legitimate, you got spammed ? [20:13]
mike_c now we can watch and see if that account is betting with pif money too :) [20:13]
mircea_popescu lol i don't see how it could, but yeah [20:13]
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mike_c jd creates a new account whenever someone not-cookied visits JD [20:14]
* mircea_popescu ponders whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money :D [20:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6468 @ 0.00094923 = 6.1396 BTC [-] [20:14]
Duffer1 mp ask nokawa he might be interested :P [20:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform was a particular type of them. ro military used them extensively. [20:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00094923 = 4.6408 BTC [-] [20:15]
mircea_popescu Tatra 813 turns out. [20:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: worked on them? [20:16]
mircea_popescu me ? no, i was like 5. [20:16]
asciilifeform lol [20:16]
mircea_popescu but they were awesome. [20:16]
mircea_popescu and bs, you could never find models. only models of these other shitty trucks [20:16]
mircea_popescu it scarred my childhood i tell you. [20:16]
mircea_popescu 8x8 drive, that thing. [20:17]
asciilifeform could run on kerosene! neat [20:17]
mircea_popescu it ran on toluene, [20:17]
mircea_popescu or whatever else. [20:17]
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mircea_popescu !up justusranvier [20:19]
assbot Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes. [20:19]
* assbot gives voice to justusranvier [20:19]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot justusranvier [20:19]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user justusranvier: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Feb 11 19:56:55 2013 [20:19]
mircea_popescu aok [20:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52141571 = 1.5642 BTC [-] {3} [20:21]
benkay [20:24]
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mircea_popescu ozbot pls to tell me wtf link is cause otherwise i just ignore them ty. [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.0001306 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {5} [20:25]
asciilifeform benkay: no prizes for guessing what mega-subsidy like this does to the price. [20:25]
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asciilifeform imagine if, rather than this, student loan were secured by... disassembly for organs [20:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the us has a serious problem with the absnece of an evil empire. [20:27]
ThickAsThieves blog is in progress, need to wait for domain to propagate and some other bs [20:27]
mircea_popescu they couldn't be secured by organ harvesting, but they could be secured by sale to evil empire of fuckland [20:27]
mircea_popescu where one lives on a boat in a 2x3 space, separated by a hanging sheet from all the other prostitutes [20:28]
asciilifeform what does fuckland do with the male idiots? [20:28]
asciilifeform butugychag? [20:28]
benkay cage matches. [20:28]
mircea_popescu either that or... idem. apparently people pay to fuck males, too. [20:28]
benkay o ya [20:28]
benkay wait really? [20:28]
asciilifeform niche product. [20:28]
asciilifeform (literally...) [20:28]
benkay i thought the homo scene was all about dat promiscuity. [20:29]
mircea_popescu here's a fun bit of the history of racism in europe : [20:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [+] [20:29]
mircea_popescu gypsies always have lived as nomads. most of the ancient roman empire is inhabited by sedentary farmer types. the differences are quite marked, and children are wired to react negatively to difference. [20:30]
mircea_popescu consequently, for centuries, the ultimate parental threat was, "i'ma give you to the gypsy man, who comes by with a sack to collect bad kids" [20:30]
Naphex thats taboo now though! [20:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095533 = 12.4671 BTC [+] {3} [20:30]
mircea_popescu in typical eeuropean quaintness, your average gypsy worker guy with a sack would generously play the part, for the benefit of any mom needing it [20:30]
mircea_popescu sort-of like spontaneous adult complicity. [20:30]
asciilifeform the mega-lol being, that these folks would literally rather steal anything else [20:31]
mircea_popescu yup [20:31]
mircea_popescu esp the mother. [20:31]
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mircea_popescu !up zedong [20:31]
assbot Voicing zedong for 30 minutes. [20:31]
* assbot gives voice to zedong [20:31]
asciilifeform even selling the female lusers, that'd be a serious haircut [20:32]
mircea_popescu (my braindead use of "racism" ethnically reflects merely the confused use of the term by the people most likely to use it, i disclaim any other implication) [20:32]
asciilifeform considering what they'd be worth on international market [20:32]
asciilifeform not exactly 'FDA Grade A' [20:33]
mircea_popescu there's an international market for badly brought up western females ? [20:33]
asciilifeform gotta be [20:33]
asciilifeform even pig shit can be sold [20:33]
mircea_popescu maybe if someone's looking for exclamation point counting services. [20:33]
dooglus "whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money" -- probably a little for vanity's sake, and more if it has a negative investment profit [20:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52145683 BTC [+] [20:34]
dooglus (accounts with negative profit pay no commission until the loss is recouped) [20:35]
mircea_popescu dooglus i believe the vanity value is actually an indirect measure of jd worth [20:35]
asciilifeform you can use 'vi' instead of 'emacs' if you were to buy a parenthesis-counting slavegurl ? [20:35]
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Naphex dooglus: ever tought about putting out an API? I've heard of guys who'd want to put JustDice in a Romanian Gabling Machine :) [20:36]
mircea_popescu he has an api im pretty sure [20:37]
Naphex the ones the put in 'birts', what are they called mircea_popescu ? [20:37]
Naphex pacanelele [20:37]
Naphex :) [20:37]
mircea_popescu Naphex whoa srsly ? how'd it work tho ? [20:37]
asciilifeform this is good point, dice gizmos ought to be physically present, blinkenlighs, bells, in boozing houses. [20:37]
Naphex mircea_popescu: probably with btc from the bar, and house buys btc back. [20:38]
Naphex atleast thats how i heard it proposed [20:38]
mircea_popescu getting the bar to grok btc processing tho... [20:39]
mircea_popescu Naphex you should build an api to support his api to make it easy for bars. [20:39]
mircea_popescu offer guaranteed values for a week, say. [20:39]
Naphex btcxchange-rpc api should support mostly anything. but i'm swamped [20:40]
Naphex working on the btc payments gateway [20:40]
asciilifeform adding booze to diceatrons - this'd be like lithium deuteride booster for nuke. [20:40]
asciilifeform just what doctor ordered. [20:40]
Naphex so they can start advertising to online stores [20:40]
mircea_popescu dooglus you been putting any work into getting a physical machine ? [20:41]
Naphex physical machine wouldn't be hard at all [20:41]
mircea_popescu things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. [20:42]
Naphex mircea_popescu: [20:42]
benkay things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. << this again and again [20:43]
mircea_popescu definitely something to do there tho. [20:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2369 @ 0.00095245 = 2.2564 BTC [-] [20:49]
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BingoBoingo ;;rate hanbot 3 Only Functional part of Bitcointalk [20:50]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user hanbot has been recorded. [20:50]
mircea_popescu "and if thy functional part offends thee, cut it out!" [20:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00471 = 0.1978 BTC [+] [20:51]
kakobrekla hello. [20:54]
kakobrekla so many messages. [20:54]
mircea_popescu high amount of phone messages ? [20:55]
kakobrekla kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help < "!help" works ?? [20:55]
mircea_popescu !help [20:55]
assbot List of commands: [20:55]
assbot !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) [20:55]
assbot !up (desc: sending it on chan will give voice for 30 minutes) [20:55]
kakobrekla kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < hmm ?? [20:55]
assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} [20:55]
assbot !last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} [20:55]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [20:55]
mircea_popescu shit. [20:55]
assbot !rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} [20:55]
assbot !exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} [20:55]
assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from [20:55]
assbot !bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b} [20:55]
assbot !quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} [20:55]
ThickAsThieves !exchanges [20:55]
mircea_popescu (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) | (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given you're identified with gribble and in assbot's L2 WoT) [20:56]
mircea_popescu ? [20:56]
kakobrekla kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) < hm maybe but that is basic algebra, i try not to pass things that one can easily calc [20:56]
mircea_popescu not to pass things that one can easily calc << that's the correct design imo. [20:56]
kakobrekla ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag. < jurov must be jelly [20:56]
kakobrekla ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? < afaik one of them still do, i can check. [20:57]
mike_c fair enough. [20:57]
benkay [20:59]
mircea_popescu butt.butt [21:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00095778 = 16.5217 BTC [+] {3} [21:02]
kakobrekla kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < ah, the "ü" thing. dunno, ill see what can i do about that. [21:02]
BingoBoingo [21:03]
ozbot Notorious Troll Says He Will Create Trolly Hedge Fund Called "TRO LLC" [21:03]
BingoBoingo Rabit replies in the comments [21:04]
BingoBoingo *rabite [21:04]
kakobrekla >> Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer, the infamous hacker and troll, [21:07]
kakobrekla who ?? [21:07]
mircea_popescu the at&t guy [21:08]
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kakobrekla ah [21:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC [21:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4538 @ 0.00013015 = 0.5906 BTC [-] {7} [21:12]
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jborkl_ nice, very nice [21:13]
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jborkl_ Almost done integrating a blockexplorer to my site- just waiting on the blockchain to dl [21:14]
mircea_popescu what's it called ? [21:14]
mircea_popescu [21:15]
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mircea_popescu moiety [21:16]
moiety lololololol "dafuq?!" [21:17]
jborkl_ it is going to be on for now I guess- I could always put it on [21:17]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if we get someone trustworthy doing mining at some point << the way i understand it, mining is -EV unless you own a semiconductor plant. [21:19]
asciilifeform or at least have a share in one [21:19]
jborkl_ 99,999 blocks to go- [21:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.043999 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2} [21:21]
ThickAsThieves [21:22]
Naphex ThickAsThieves: i think they just have a multi-account system, issue a mastercard, give USD, take BTC [21:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-] [21:24]
mircea_popescu [21:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6241 BTC [-] [21:25]
Naphex "Casares explained that Xapo added the product due to demand from current customers who have wanted a way to spend the roughly 10% of their funds (on average) they keep in the company’s hot wallets. The remainder is stored securely in cold storage." [21:28]
mircea_popescu [21:28]
moiety would probably get further with that lil dude than most customer services people mircea_popescu [21:28]
Naphex so.. customer stores btc, credit 10% of btc value to corporate issued mastercard, use spends it. hold the btc [21:28]
Naphex i think thats mostly it:o [21:28]
mircea_popescu ;;seen wences [21:29]
gribble wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: mircea, are you here? [21:29]
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Naphex the roughly, and average chitchat, is if bitcoin values moves, you might have less then that 10% of the value on the card. until it readjusts [21:30]
Naphex nice move, doable. mastercard might have a field day though :D [21:31]
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mircea_popescu ok this shit's too cute : [21:31]
moiety i just made an entirely unnatural noise, not gonna lie [21:32]
mircea_popescu you QUEEFED because of my tiny turtle pix ? [21:32]
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moiety right into a jar (thinking ahead) [21:32]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:32]
mircea_popescu "i have the special QueefCaptu underwears! only 19'95 at selected retailers" [21:33]
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moiety bahahaha "surprisingly comfortable too" [21:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095626 = 3.06 BTC [+] [21:34]
moiety or 0.0561 BTC* [21:36]
mircea_popescu [21:37]
moiety i wonder how long 1QUEEFS would take to generate.... [21:37]
mircea_popescu 5 letters. not so bad. [21:37]
moiety aw i doubt i have any caps in the house to recreate that last one, damnit [21:38]
BingoBoingo If all caps is a must it will take longe rthough [21:38]
moiety 1Queefs? [21:38]
moiety i think allcaps looks better [21:38]
fluffypony it was on the 24th day of April [21:41]
fluffypony in the year of 2014 [21:41]
fluffypony that mircea_popescu declared #bitcoin-assets become /r/awww [21:41]
fluffypony and thus it was [21:41]
mircea_popescu RAW! [21:41]
moiety queefs are aww? [21:41]
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moiety [21:42]
mircea_popescu did you know seals can get hickups ? [21:42]
moiety actually a video [21:42]
mircea_popescu << proof. [21:42]
moiety jesus, pretty violent hiccups too! [21:42]
ThickAsThieves [21:42]
Naphex BingoBoingo: hey, if you have any suggestions, annoiances or any feedback regarding usage of btcxchange, shoot any time. :D [21:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00095535 = 2.7705 BTC [-] [21:44]
BingoBoingo Naphex: I can't think of any atm [21:44]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: [21:46]
fluffypony turtle approval is at an all time high [21:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6193 BTC [-] [21:49]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: [21:49]
fluffypony "This story was updated at 9:52am PT to reflect the fact that Xapo does not have a formal relationship with MasterCard, but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank. This is contrary to earlier claims made by Xapo to Gigaom both in person and in writing that Xapo would issue a MasterCard-branded debit card. A MasterCard representative confirmed that it has no relationship with Xapo." [21:49]
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fluffypony I don't have a submarine, but I hope to have one through a military contractor...I can haz press coverage nao? [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06968754 = 1.0453 BTC [+] {2} [21:51]
mircea_popescu they ate the swrawberry for a week afterwards [21:51]
mircea_popescu " but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank" [21:51]
mircea_popescu so bitcoin. [21:51]
ThickAsThieves sigh [21:52]
bounce huh, there's actually a(t least one) shipyard in cuba [21:52]
ThickAsThieves that makes them like the 11th co to claim a btc credit card [21:52]
ThickAsThieves all bs [21:52]
ThickAsThieves so this DarkMarket thing [21:53]
ThickAsThieves can the gov make it illegal to run the app? [21:53]
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bounce didn't germany already outlaw the likes of nmap? [21:54]
ThickAsThieves it seems each user is a host of the network [21:54]
ThickAsThieves A user downloads the DarkMarket software, which runs as a daemon in the background of the user’s operating system, allowing them to connect to the DarkMarket network through any browser. The DarkMarket daemon incorporates a library of commands for peer-to-peer networking known as ZeroMQ, which allows the user’s PC to become a node in a distributed network where every user can [21:54]
ThickAsThieves communicate directly with every other user. [21:54]
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ThickAsThieves [21:55]
ozbot Inside the ‘DarkMarket’ Prototype, a Silk Road the FBI Can Never Seize | Threat Level | WIRED [21:55]
bounce zeromq is a p2p thing now? [21:55]
fluffypony I actually have a BTC debit card from the now defunct [21:56]
fluffypony [21:56]
ozbot First prepaid card to exchange Bitcoins [21:56]
fluffypony ended up just being a tc debit card [21:56]
fluffypony and you have to wade through a French website to activate it [21:56]
fluffypony and then you used to be able to buy overpriced BTC from and they'd load it on your card in fiat [21:56]
fluffypony so stupid [21:57]
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HeySteve I see a reputation system as pretty critical to the success of something like dark markets [21:58]
HeySteve bitwasp too, where one can have ephemeral markets that come and go like a stream of soap bubble worlds [21:58]
HeySteve verifiable and community-rated identities across these markets is key to improving trade [21:59]
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HeySteve it's all very well to dodge the federales, but not if it will likely land you in the clutches of scammers [22:00]
ThickAsThieves are you daying DarkMarket doesnt have such system? [22:02]
ThickAsThieves saying* [22:02]
pankkake fluffypony: oh god, it's our friend dotcoin/bitcoinbourse … [22:02]
HeySteve ThickAsThieves: "At the moment, DarkMarket displays only a bare IP address for every user..." [22:03]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:03]
HeySteve there is linkage between nicks and public keys, but no mention of rating [22:03]
* fluffypony clicks [22:03]
ThickAsThieves i recall taaki's presentation including such [22:04]
ThickAsThieves or at least methods of conflict resolution [22:04]
ThickAsThieves if it is dark, wtf does show ip? [22:04]
fluffypony pankkake: LOL - I had no idea, no wonder their product was so shitty [22:04]
HeySteve ThickAsThieves, they haven't programmed that bit yet but they seem to expect someone will soon... [22:04]
HeySteve ThickAsThieves, you watched their presentation in Canada? [22:05]
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HeySteve ah wait my mistake, they do say they have a rep system [22:06]
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Naphex incoming split? [22:11]
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mircea_popescu The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? [22:18]
mircea_popescu onion or w/e it was called [22:19]
mircea_popescu !up France-bitcoin [22:19]
assbot Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes. [22:19]
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mircea_popescu France-bitcoin srsly ? what a name. [22:19]
bounce why such hate? france AND bitcoin. what's not to love? [22:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00095843 = 1.8977 BTC [+] {2} [22:21]
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punkman The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? << no it looks like a piece of shit implemented on top of 0mq, which didn't even do security for the first few major versions [22:22]
France-bitcoin mircea_popescu, a blog name... [22:22]
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mircea_popescu punkman for the love of meh. why not just rebundle tor. [22:23]
mircea_popescu win-win wtf. [22:23]
fluffypony bounce: too many Frenchman in France, maybe that's his problem :-P [22:23]
mircea_popescu davout pankkake etc will be pleased to hear :D [22:24]
France-bitcoin yeah we know each other :) [22:24]
France-bitcoin i'm here because gribble does not integrate #bitcoin-fr mostly [22:25]
France-bitcoin we are working on that [22:25]
mircea_popescu o that's a thing ? [22:25]
bounce sheesh, even nickserv registered. such original nickname. [22:25]
pankkake France might end up with more tourists than French [22:25]
punkman mircea_popescu: they plan to add Tor but still, I don't think it's prudent to 0mq with random nodes [22:26]
France-bitcoin ah pankkake :) [22:26]
fluffypony pankkake: surely the French would never allow it! [22:26]
mircea_popescu punkman prolly not. [22:26]
mircea_popescu -BitBot- NB : le chan est loggé et les archives sont publiées à l'adresse suivante : [22:26]
mircea_popescu liek a supybot or what is it ? [22:27]
fluffypony "On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, despite the push for greater accountability through No Child Left Behind. What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence. American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from [22:27]
fluffypony any other country." [22:27]
fluffypony [22:27]
ozbot "Waiting for Superman": What it Means for You and Your Child | [22:27]
BingoBoingo [22:28]
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mircea_popescu lol they actually managed to get charles de gaulle seaworthy ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu !up VictorM [22:29]
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davout !up VictorM [22:29]
assbot Voice for VictorM extended to 30 minutes. [22:29]
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mircea_popescu ha-ha! [22:29]
davout yea, i've been talking for a couple of minutes before realizing i didn't voice myself >< [22:29]
davout so i was saying [22:29]
davout France-bitcoin: gribble is on #bitcoin-fr what are you talking about [22:30]
davout also that my apartment got broken into this afternoon, probably some french people... [22:30]
France-bitcoin gribble is giving a list of chan to be on to proceed [22:30]
bounce damage? [22:30]
France-bitcoin you could have asked on pv :) [22:30]
mircea_popescu davout he means it's not on the auth list. [22:30]
davout France-bitcoin mircea_popescu ahh i see [22:31]
mircea_popescu cause nanotube wanted to keep some sort of tabs on what chans you can auth from, which is sensible. [22:31]
France-bitcoin should add ours [22:31]
davout bounce: negligible, most of the hassle is the broken window and the time lost with the police [22:31]
davout mircea_popescu: how is it sensible? [22:31]
France-bitcoin that would avoid this kind of "stuff" [22:31]
davout France-bitcoin: if you're doing business you should probably hang around the "authable" chans anyway [22:32]
nanotube davout: i just added #bitcoin-fr to auth list, by bad_duck's request. so... there. [22:32]
mircea_popescu davout for one, there's peeps trying to scamhunt, they gotta idle in all chans that allow authing [22:32]
France-bitcoin well the welcoming party here is nice :) I should think about that yeah :) [22:32]
davout nanotube: thanks! [22:32]
mircea_popescu cause while scammers usually id in pm, they still gotta be in chan [22:33]
nanotube davout: np. keep an eye out for scammers. [22:33]
davout nanotube: will do [22:33]
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davout ;;rated nanotube [22:34]
gribble You have not yet rated user nanotube [22:34]
France-bitcoin we don't have any on our channel as far as i know... [22:34]
nanotube France-bitcoin: that's cool. we should all move there, then. :) [22:34]
davout ;;rate nanotube 1 kind sir [22:34]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nanotube has been recorded. [22:34]
nanotube ;;rate davout 1 old timer [22:35]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded. [22:35]
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France-bitcoin stop rubbing each other guys :) [22:41]
France-bitcoin now i just got to debug some strange stuff with gribble privately and I will leave you alone [22:42]
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fluffypony oooh la la [22:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+] [22:43]
davout France-bitcoin: publicly might be better if you're debugging gribble and if it's not too noisy :D [22:43]
HeySteve [22:43]
HeySteve good night all [22:43]
bounce isn't that what #gribble is for? [22:43]
fluffypony lol customers...ticket just got escalated to me: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world" - maybe I should reply and ask them what they're doing buying GPU mining frames [22:43]
France-bitcoin well i did need to connect here (or another chan on the list...) then do it privately which is what i'm talking about [22:44]
davout bounce: you got a point [22:44]
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davout the xapo story is interesting, wonder where it will go [22:46]
davout given that mastercard is pretty anti-bitcoin [22:46]
fluffypony davout: I met with one of the banks here last year August-ish about it [22:46]
fluffypony they have VISA and MasterCard prepaids [22:46]
fluffypony and they said that in general MC and VISA don't care what they issue [22:47]
fluffypony and that their auth systems on the back-end don't even have to be actual currency [22:47]
davout fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba [22:47]
fluffypony oic [22:47]
fluffypony couldn't you have gone with a VISA partner? [22:47]
bounce except they might at the drop of a hat decide that they don't like where some of their users send their money and stop doing it [22:48]
davout so, as soon as they actually hear about it they'll fuck the deal up [22:48]
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davout fluffypony: the psp we were working with was working with mastercard, custom cards are mostly mastercard's thing, not really visa's [22:49]
davout but in theory there's nothing that prevents visa from doing it [22:49]
davout i'm off, stomachs don't just fill themselves [22:49]
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fluffypony have fun - buon appetit [22:50]
davout !up France-bitcoin [22:50]
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davout fluffypony: merci! [22:50]
France-bitcoin thx davout, still taking care of the kids and the gribble thing is not finished yet... [22:51]
kakobrekla davout what is the story with xapo? [22:51]
davout kakobrekla: [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095875 = 3.5953 BTC [+] [22:52]
kakobrekla the log pft. ill remove it just so i dont have to read it. [22:52]
fluffypony kakobrekla: the GigaOm article is better because it contains an embarrassing update [22:52]
fluffypony [22:52]
ozbot Updated: A debit card for bitcoin: Xapo could solve the payment problem with help from banks — [22:52]
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kakobrekla they use bitstamp, fucking great. [22:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.51308395 BTC to 13`595 shares, 25841 satoshi per share [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.0335 = 1.943 BTC [+] [23:00]
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asciilifeform re: darkmarket: anything vaguely approaching this is (at least by thinking people) regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent' of honeypot [23:04]
asciilifeform and ought to be designed accordingly [23:04]
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ThickAsThieves alrighty here's the tat blog [23:05]
asciilifeform unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in. [23:05]
ThickAsThieves i'll surely be tweaking the style and widgets etc [23:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00095875 = 0.9588 BTC [+] [23:06]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun. [23:06]
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ThickAsThieves it's not a matter of lack of interest [23:07]
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kakobrekla the devils advocate? [23:09]
kakobrekla is this a new blog of yours? [23:09]
kakobrekla i gotta give it to you, you pick some strange names [23:10]
kakobrekla 'thieves', 'devil', ... are dem cute pirates coming too? :) [23:12]
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BingoBoingo I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose. [23:15]
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kakobrekla ascii, dunno if you got my [23:19]
kakobrekla pm, if im not on your whilelist i can paste here [23:19]
kakobrekla whitelist* [23:20]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: got it [23:22]
kakobrekla kk [23:23]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: no pricing info on site, unfortunately [23:23]
kakobrekla its not customary for such ops to do that here. [23:24]
kakobrekla you send in what you want and they spit out the number. [23:24]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: atm i'm looking for folks with reasonably cheap pcb stuffing for obscenely small quantities (<50) [23:25]
asciilifeform this may or may not exist. [23:25]
kakobrekla they do small runs [23:25]
asciilifeform in that industry, 'small' typically means less than 10,000 [23:25]
ThickAsThieves [16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is [23:26]
ThickAsThieves taking the other side [23:26]
kakobrekla they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used [23:26]
kakobrekla that is used for small diyers [23:26]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: for pcb fab only (where such is typical) or smt placement? [23:26]
kakobrekla pcb fab only [23:26]
asciilifeform i'm pretty happy with my current supplier for those [23:26]
asciilifeform doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb [23:27]
kakobrekla i wasnt saying that [23:27]
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kakobrekla just saying its not an issue to get it done [23:28]
kakobrekla even doing placement on a small run [23:28]
kakobrekla not 10k [23:29]
asciilifeform for pcb, my current supplier gives me, believe or not, 3 day turnaround, incl. airplane from cn to us [23:29]
kakobrekla but 100 boards [23:29]
asciilifeform ok that sounds promising [23:29]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: you know the owner personally? [23:29]
kakobrekla not the owner, a guy who works at the second link i gave you [23:30]
asciilifeform aha [23:30]
kakobrekla he might be co owner not sure [23:30]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I expected you as more of a Devil Wears Prada kinda guy :-P [23:30]
kakobrekla but whatever- [23:30]
ThickAsThieves not sure what that means, am i the bitch or the bitch? [23:31]
ThickAsThieves :) [23:31]
* assbot gives voice to joecool [23:34]
ThickAsThieves not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components [23:35]
mike_c did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. [23:36]
asciilifeform ;;gettrust Friedcat [23:36]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Friedcat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [23:36]
ThickAsThieves friedcat himself isnt exactly reliable, but he might have resources [23:37]
Naphex ;;ident [23:37]
gribble Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu [23:37]
ThickAsThieves i aint mining teh ATCs! [23:37]
asciilifeform when a fellow isn't reliable, hard to be sure how much because of his own head and how much because he relies on muppets. [23:37]
Naphex what is atc? [23:37]
fluffypony Naphex: teh only altcoin [23:38]
ThickAsThieves [23:38]
fluffypony [23:38]
Naphex sorry, don't follow alts [23:38]
ThickAsThieves thats the point! [23:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 250 @ 0.00762649 = 1.9066 BTC [-] {7} [23:38]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages [23:40]
ThickAsThieves i havent either [23:40]
ThickAsThieves but they just posted a big update this week [23:40]
ThickAsThieves jutarul posted it [23:41]
ThickAsThieves if ter interested [23:41]
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ThickAsThieves yer [23:41]
fluffypony ok will checksie [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009539 = 9.7298 BTC [-] {2} [23:41]
fluffypony find ./ -type f -name '*.py' | xargs sed -i '' 's/http:///https:///g' [23:45]
fluffypony wrong button [23:45]
asciilifeform given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated [23:45]
asciilifeform but i could be convinced otherwise, given new data [23:46]
ThickAsThieves yeah i wouldnt force it [23:46]
ThickAsThieves more like a, ifyerinapinch kinda thing [23:46]
asciilifeform no pinch [23:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06961251 = 0.1392 BTC [-] [23:47]
asciilifeform just keeping options open [23:47]
bounce apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? [23:47]
asciilifeform my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him. [23:47]
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Naphex ;;seen tcatm [23:50]
gribble I have not seen tcatm. [23:50]
fluffypony asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities [23:51]
asciilifeform fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them? [23:52]
fluffypony asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them [23:53]
fluffypony lemme pastebin it out the proposal [23:53]
fluffypony asciilifeform: [23:53]
fluffypony that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm [23:53]
asciilifeform fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run? [23:54]
fluffypony lemme grab my notes and I'll tell you [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095561 = 3.8224 BTC [+] [23:55]
fluffypony "For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces." [23:56]
fluffypony "easy also to prototipe, so i expect to have a "few prototipes" costs between 15/20$ each, and a production price no more than 10/12$ each for low batches ( ~ 100 pieces )" [23:56]
fluffypony (that was for the board that goes into the BeagleBone for the master unit) [23:56]
midnightmagic ooOoo [23:57]
fluffypony "For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches." [23:57]
kakobrekla you are 2 years late with this shit [23:57]
asciilifeform nobody's manually soldering a tqfp-64. [23:57]
asciilifeform (not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.) [23:58]
fluffypony asciilifeform: have you seen this - [23:58]
fluffypony :-P [23:58]
asciilifeform sure. [23:58]
mike_c [23:59]
asciilifeform once again, virtually anything can be done under a good microscope, with steady hands [23:59]
fluffypony anyway, I can get him to hop on here and you can have a chat to him and see [23:59]
asciilifeform it's simply that it's a bitch [23:59]
asciilifeform fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort [23:59]
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