Forum logs for 23 Jul 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

thickasthieves	"The federal judge that presided over my case is not an African-American. She is a nigger."	[00:00]
thickasthieves	"Dude, they called you elfin, when you are very clearly a satyr." lol	[00:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00081327 = 5.7742 BTC [-]	[00:04]
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thickasthieves	http://coinbrief.net/debunking-kipochi-mpesa-bitcoin-kenya/	[00:14]
assbot	Debunking Kipochi, Mpesa & Bitcoin in East Africa - CoinBrief	[00:14]
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BingoBoingo	!up princessnell	[00:15]
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fluffypony	hah hah	[00:17]
fluffypony	fucking idiots	[00:17]
thickasthieves	<+mike_c> and seattle just drizzles at you every day of the year. /// so i will fly there and settle this once and for all!	[00:17]
mike_c	now is actually the time to go. it actually only rains nine months a year. summers are beautiful.	[00:18]
thickasthieves	well shit itll be a month before i go, but i want teh rainz	[00:20]
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thickasthieves	my wife wants to look at trees n stuff though, so i guess good weather is for the best	[00:21]
mike_c	well, the only rainforest in america is right there, so you could both have your wish	[00:22]
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thickasthieves	good log?	[00:36]
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BingoBoingo	http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431	[00:38]
assbot	The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Hate Frameworks	[00:38]
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danielpbarron	thickasthieves, meh sorta; I linked to the log in my rating for him	[00:46]
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jurov	danielpbarron: owner of mpex is unsafe to do business with, he does things like put surprising terms in the fine print of his contracts and then gloats about how you deserved to get ripped off and what a moron you are when you get caught out.	[00:52]
jurov	last sentence before kick	[00:52]
mike_c	hm. "suprising" to whom?	[00:53]
BingoBoingo	Mircea generally writes on the interwebs so you can always zoom his text to any size you like	[00:55]
danielpbarron	good thing the devs have their chat rooms to lord over; they don't really control much of anything else	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	;;rate danielpbarron Religious thinker, Meat dealer	[00:55]
gribble	Error: 'Religious' is not a valid integer.	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	;;rate danielpbarron 3 Religious thinker, Meat dealer	[00:56]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 2 to 3.	[00:56]
danielpbarron	wow a 3; i feel special now	[00:56]
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BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Well, you rate people well and did indeed deliver ~20 million meat	[00:58]
danielpbarron	the -otc crowd says I don't know how to rate	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Well, that's why the most important part of reading a WoT is asking a rater about their ratings	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	Bitcore, BitPay’s open-source javascript bitcoin library, now uses Fedor Indutny‘s highly optimized cryptography in the browser, which leads to significant speed improvements and an improved user experience for applications built with Bitcore. << Shit's prolly being optimized out	[01:01]
BingoBoingo	http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/07/22/bitcore-3000-is-three-times-faster-for-bitcoin-on-the-web.html	[01:01]
assbot	Bitcore 3000 is Three Times Faster for Bitcoin on the Web \| The BitPay Blog	[01:01]
jurov	lose yer coins 3x faster!!!	[01:01]
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mircea_popescu	12 inches is a foot? 3' a yard? wtf is going on here?	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	^ my fav exercise is, "calculate the pound weight of a cubic mile of water"	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	(a cubic km of water weighs 1trn kgs, of course)	[01:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2014/07/20/well-find-a-new-earth-within-20-years/ << ya but will it be legal.	[01:12]
assbot	Well find a new earth within 20 years \| Around the World with Ken Ham	[01:12]
danielpbarron	ken ham is a false teacher that leads many to hell	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	A Black Hat spokeswoman told Reuters that the talk had been canceled at the request of lawyers for Carnegie-Mellon University, where the speakers work as researchers. <<< this is why scientists of today are in no sense the scientists of 1914, and even less the scientists of 1814.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	the notion that the current crop has any sort of moral or ethical weight is quite perilous.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/OJChRcu.gif << whoa that shit's cool!	[01:16]
thickasthieves	must be some kinda camera mount	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	;;rated gmaxwell	[01:22]
gribble	You rated user gmaxwell on Sun Apr 8 12:54:19 2012, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: hypocritical idiot..	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	wow, i was right two years ago.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	anyway, what specific gloating is this in reference to ?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	tell wikipedia boi i said citation needed.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	i gloat over fat fucks being predictably stupid, not over the deck being stacked against them.	[01:23]
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thickasthieves	"Another benefit to Tacocoin is its active community. Tacocoin was started on reddit, with the sole intent of having fun. The coin has no premine, and steady growth, because our community values trust and fun, not getting rich quick."	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	><	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	if it were about eating cunt i could see the angle.	[01:27]
fluffypony	http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/22/britain-just-decriminalised-online-game-piracy/	[01:27]
assbot	Britain just decriminalised online game piracy \| VG247	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	but this entire "doge got killed for beign stupid so we're going to do it once again because we really are that dumb" thing...	[01:27]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well in that article space isn't important, because aliens go to hell	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	"Starting in 2015, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken." doh.	[01:28]
thickasthieves	alrighty	[01:29]
thickasthieves	do they even go after people in US anymore?	[01:29]
thickasthieves	there was that 5 strikes thing or whatever but i never heard of anyone losing their web access	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	bout the same yeah.	[01:30]
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thickasthieves	"I am a fan of making volume obsolete as an indicator" ~bitcoin trader	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431 << as usual, joel gets it exactly right. this is why i hate - not frameworks - but java. and all the other hipster languages ran by children with delusions of skills and importance they don't actually have.	[01:31]
assbot	The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Hate Frameworks	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	wikipedia being a fine example.	[01:31]
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asciilifeform	camera mount with beer glass << if you stayed awake in 'intro to differential equations,' -- you can build this.	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	the visual effect tho.	[01:39]
asciilifeform	carnegie mellon << 'Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfecti	[01:40]
asciilifeform	on and painted with meticulous care.' (mr mold)	[01:40]
BingoBoingo	Lol ethereum is selling their own altcoin nao, https://www.ethereum.org/	[01:40]
assbot	ethereum	[01:40]
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BingoBoingo	"People interested in acquiring ether to build and distribute decentralized applications, or to pay for their usage, are able to do so in the Genesis Sale using bitcoin, thereby locking-in their supply at a known price. This sale will help us fund the continued development of the software platform, scheduled for release in the winter of 2014/2015." << Preorder on a BFL window. Thing could waterialize winter 2014 or winter 2015	[01:44]
thickasthieves	like anyone will give a shit by then	[01:45]
Pierre_Rochard	BingoBoingo: my favorite part “This document is not a solicitation for investment and does not pertain in any way to an offering of securities in any jurisdiction.”	[01:45]
thickasthieves	because we say so!	[01:45]
Pierre_Rochard	wonder if they’ll respond like mircea_popescu did when the SEC comes knocking…	[01:45]
BingoBoingo	Pierre_Rochard: Even though by simply the way things are they seems to like BFL be actually selling equity rather than product.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hardly an argument pro carnegie melon, that.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard too many people want to appear mp without putting in the work to actually be mp, nor fronting the risk etc.	[01:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not an argument 'pro', merely statement of fact. accept funding from bureaucrats - then eat shit when they command. elementary.	[01:47]
thickasthieves	who actually wants these smart contracts anyway? i dont get who ethereum is providing for	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	how about not accept funding for bureaucrats because there's no funds in bureaucrat hands ?	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	then we can do science. and actual art.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	and all the social media feminists can spend their time writing things on tits.	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	If ethereum manages to ship this winter I doubt it's market cap will survive at a size greater than ATC's through April next year	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	if anyone wants to enter an etereum short lemme know.	[01:48]
thickasthieves	you're betting on ethereum?!	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	you can buy ethereum coins for half what they charge, deliverable jan 15th 2015.	[01:49]
thickasthieves	heh	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	i guess i can make a 3 month future too, if enough demand.	[01:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well atm during their pre-sale they price their coins off of a timer, with 1 BTC buying less coins as the timer increments. Haven't seen the details.	[01:50]
thickasthieves	itd at least be a fun way to piss them off and fuck up their ipo a bit	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves sure.	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo fuck them, whatever they ask for is too much.	[01:51]
thickasthieves	lol why does their home page give away desktop backgrounds? wtf	[01:51]
thickasthieves	"Turing complete contracts on a blockchain."	[01:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course. K sale ends in roughly 41-42 days, in just under two weeks their offering goes from 2000 per BTC to 1970 per BTC (fucking hippies)	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand traffix, thickasthieves	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo where is this advertised ?	[01:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Their home page.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	how did this work again lessee	[01:53]
thickasthieves	"Ethereum Genesis Sale" they call it	[01:53]
thickasthieves	awesome	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" for 1 BTC.	[01:53]
gribble	Error: 'for' is not a valid price input.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" 1 BTC.	[01:53]
gribble	Order id 21133 created.	[01:53]
thickasthieves	"WARNING: DO NOT PURCHASE ETH IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT IN DEALING WITH	[01:53]
thickasthieves	CRYPTOGRAPHIC TOKENS AND BLOCKCHAIN-BASED SOFTWARE SYSTEMS"	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	Whole site is a js turd	[01:53]
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mircea_popescu	;;view 21133	[01:53]
thickasthieves	wow	[01:53]
gribble	#21133 Tue Jul 22 18:53:45 2014 mircea_popescu SELL 5000.0 ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014 @ 1 BTC. (None)	[01:54]
thickasthieves	my soul hurts now	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" 1 BTC "Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch."	[01:54]
gribble	Order id 21134 created.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	;;view 21134	[01:54]
gribble	#21134 Tue Jul 22 18:54:18 2014 mircea_popescu SELL 5000.0 ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014 @ 1 BTC (Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch.)	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo or whoever has a reddit acct : put that loglink in ?	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	aw shit bad date.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2015" 1 BTC "Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch."	[01:54]
gribble	Order id 21135 created.	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	that one.	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	K, In the better purchases department http://t.co/rFyjQ2GNsu	[01:55]
assbot	Sexy Saffron's Clips	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	;;remove 21134	[01:55]
gribble	Order 21134 removed.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	;;remove 21133	[01:55]
gribble	Order 21133 removed.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	!up DoctorBTC	[01:57]
-assbot-	You voiced DoctorBTC for 30 minutes.	[01:57]
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mircea_popescu	;;view 21131	[01:57]
gribble	#21131 Tue Jul 22 18:01:45 2014 DoctorBTC SELL 1.0 OTC Handholding @ 0.1 BTC (I'll gently guide you through registering and authing with gribble)	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	^ nice idea that.	[01:57]
DoctorBTC	lol	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot DoctorBTC	[01:57]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask DoctorBTC!~DoctorBTC@unaffiliated/doctorbtc. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DoctorBTC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=DoctorBTC \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DoctorBTC \| Rated since: Tue Apr 30 19:24:50 2013	[01:57]
DoctorBTC	logs get all filled up watching people explain...	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	it's needed here like weekly or so.	[01:57]
BingoBoingo	http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2bfwaw/mircea_popescu_offers_a_short_of_etherium_coins/	[01:57]
assbot	Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015 : CryptoCurrency	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo so now, elementary economic theory : if one actually WANTS ethereum coins, they'll buy from me.	[01:59]
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mircea_popescu	watch how nobody does, and then watch the ethereum people lie about how they sold however many.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	because yes, totally, this happens.	[01:59]
thickasthieves	reddit deleted my link to your ethereum thing	[01:59]
thickasthieves	mine said "Eccentric European Eviscerates Ethereum's Ether "	[01:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You forget the mp eats babies crowd and "momentum traders" who want to flip the thing right away	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yes, i am forgetting the idiots.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	supposedly there's "investors" involved in these crummy shits.	[02:00]
thickasthieves	i guess mods got me on speed dial or sumth	[02:00]
thickasthieves	:(	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves maybe too many e's.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	stop dropping the Es man	[02:00]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I like to think of them as Patrons of the Derps	[02:00]
thickasthieves	art is ded	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2behuy/doge_just_got_dumped/ << "Cryptsy data from http://doge.yottabyte.nu/ shows that we are down to 138MIL TOTAL Buy order.	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	If you simply look at the chart of buy vs sell orders, it can be intuitive to say that some whale decided to cash out.	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	Now, what do we do about this?	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	Once more, as a reminder, we need to create a reason for people to want to buy in into Dogecoin, and for whales to hold their stash.	[02:02]
assbot	Doge just got dumped. : dogecoin	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	Posting memes and jokes won't do. We have the community, and we have the social media reach. What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post."	[02:02]
assbot	doge.yottabyte.nu - dogecoin value charts btc/doge	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	^ Last victim	[02:02]
thickasthieves	lol	[02:03]
thickasthieves	"What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post." full circle	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[02:05]
BingoBoingo	http://altcoinherald.com/altcoins-currently-community-takeovers/ << Tales from the Bagholder's social club	[02:05]
assbot	Altcoins That Are Currently In Community Takeover	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	"we have the community, it just so happens to be a community of worthless retards. o noes!"	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	must suck, you know, to be one of these fucktards, earnestly believing that everyone's equal and groups are great,	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	finding yourself confronted with the sad reality that people aren't equal and groups suck.	[02:07]
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thickasthieves	they wont notice	[02:07]
thickasthieves	just need a better group	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	course they won't notice. anything to avoid that ego wound. but still...	[02:08]
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mircea_popescu	!up Adohgg	[02:11]
-assbot-	You voiced Adohgg for 30 minutes.	[02:11]
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mircea_popescu	how much you gettin' paid ?	[02:11]
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BingoBoingo	%d	[02:16]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 665597.03 in 1508 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -3.14	[02:16]
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BingoBoingo	OMG ATC network is running nearly even!!!	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	well mike_c wanted stabilisation so i guess mike_c gets stabilisation.	[02:17]
BingoBoingo	;;8ball how much does a petahash of mining hardware sell for anyways	[02:17]
gribble	The outlook is good.	[02:17]
mike_c	;;calc 687*7	[02:18]
gribble	4809	[02:18]
mike_c	5 th/s, not bad	[02:18]
mike_c	and yes, when mike_c wants something.. it happens :D	[02:18]
*	mike_c wants all the coinz	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	;;sell 1000000 "Doge coins deliverable 3 or 6 months" 3 BTC "Or less, negotiable by volume and interval. Looking to carry a few billion."	[02:19]
gribble	Order id 21136 created.	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	meh not enough zeros.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	jesus the dog coin is worthless.	[02:22]
BingoBoingo	;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins "Altcoin the sha-256 coin mentioned http://therealaltcoin.org/" 175 "satoshis per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained"	[02:23]
gribble	Error: 'Altcoin' is not a valid price input.	[02:23]
assbot	Page not found \| The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again	[02:23]
BingoBoingo	;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins, the sha-256 coin mentioned http://therealaltcoin.org/" 175 satoshis "per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained"	[02:23]
gribble	Order id 21137 created.	[02:23]
assbot	Page not found \| The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again	[02:23]
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mircea_popescu	thickasthieves BingoBoingo's reddit seems to stick, maybe you're shadowbanned ?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	one too many trilema links i nthere.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	!up FoOdies	[02:25]
-assbot-	You voiced FoOdies for 30 minutes.	[02:25]
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cazalla	;;getrust BingoBoingo	[02:25]
gribble	Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.	[02:25]
cazalla	;;gettrust BingoBoingo	[02:25]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user cazalla to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cazalla&dest=BingoBoingo \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo \| Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013	[02:25]
FoOdies	multumesc	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	yw	[02:25]
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thickasthieves	selling 1000000 ATC for 100btc	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	https://medium.com/matter/the-martyrdom-of-weev-9e72da8a133d << this is kinda weird bullshit. as far as mah sources tell me, weev is fundamentally a guy of strange habits and little computing capcity who just had the guts to publish material some other guy actually produced. he is in any sense a front, not a hacker.	[02:30]
assbot	How We All Got Trolled Matter Medium	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves sellout! we're building this great community with memes and whatnot and all you wanna do is sell out for btc ?!?!?!	[02:31]
cazalla	;;rate BingoBoingo 1 small ATC trade for BTC	[02:31]
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BingoBoingo	;;rate cazalla 1 Bunny slayer	[02:32]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I think the applicable term to describe weev is "fall guy" or "meat shield"	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	"shield of thorns"	[02:33]
BingoBoingo	Crown of Thrones	[02:34]
thickasthieves	i'm selling out for the community	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	!b 1	[02:35]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/32EM6CF.txt )	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	ahah epic retort.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eT8Ip5mpZ0 << check out the awkwardness lmao.	[02:36]
assbot	Frank Zappa Interview (MTV, 1984) - YouTube	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	worst interviewer ever.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	bitstein re your hoarders article, you familiar with the power/fetish of power exchange and all that jazz ?	[02:37]
bitstein	I don't think so.	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	ah well then.	[02:41]
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Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: any reading suggestions on that subject?	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/	[02:42]
assbot	The battlefield of the future pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:42]
FoOdies	I can't believe I took 10 minutes of my precious life to read about some mentally retarded homophobic racist conspiracy nutjob hacker	[02:42]
BigBitz	Cancelled until 2015.	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	a fine excerpt is in there. ballas does a great job of doing the psychiatric basics of it	[02:42]
FoOdies	thanks obama ( mircea_popescu )	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise you want saussure and levi strauss	[02:42]
Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: thanks	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	FoOdies arguably the life of one who's never heard of weev isn't that precious.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz what is ?	[02:43]
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FoOdies	arguably	[02:44]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu: BattleField Hardline. I was just making a funny.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	but anyway. culture is much like ash in the ashtray : the leftovers of all your nights wasted reading stupid shit.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	o lol.	[02:44]
FoOdies	why would I need to read about other retards' mishaps when I have a first have experience with fbi+mi5+sri	[02:44]
FoOdies	hand*	[02:45]
FoOdies	first hand*	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	people who have sex read porn, why not.	[02:45]
BigBitz	wait. what.	[02:46]
BigBitz	'read' porn.	[02:46]
FoOdies	true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn	[02:46]
FoOdies	watch	[02:46]
FoOdies	read	[02:46]
FoOdies	you know what he meant	[02:46]
bitstein	mircea_popescu: Oh yes! I need to re-read it, but that was a great TLP article.	[02:46]
BigBitz	with mircea_popescu you never /really/ know what he meant.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz im in touch with my feminine side, you chauvinist pigglet.	[02:46]
belcher	benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz BingoBoingo bitcoinhtx bitstein Blazedout419 blg bounce	[02:46]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu please.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	bitstein basically the idea is that a whole generation of mutton has been raised to abhor actual power, and to readily insist it must be traded in for power tokens.	[02:47]
FoOdies	the cells of the central arrest near casa poporului are very enlightening you know	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme,	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	and this is why a lot of other things.	[02:47]
BingoBoingo	true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn << if only you knew what a hassel these things are to set up...	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	shit	[02:48]
FoOdies	god damn it don't I know it	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	;;google literotica.com interrecial intersex interspecies orgy	[02:48]
gribble	Smashwords – About Nick Foxx, author of 'Tush (The Whole Tale ...:	[02:48]
FoOdies	and the mess you have to clean up afterwards	[02:48]
bitstein	<+mircea_popescu> this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme, << you mean the idea that merchants matter?	[02:49]
BingoBoingo	FoOdies: Mess is why you go to the Goat's house	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	bitstein well the idea that in order for bitcoin to have value, it must be traded out of your hand.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	ie, they're firm in the notion that nothing in their hand can be of value. a sort of reverse-midas mentality.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	shitheads convinced everything in their hands turns to shit	[02:49]
FoOdies	not when you're the host	[02:49]
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CoalPowerGorilla	coingenuity copumpkin Corey Cory cowloon	[02:49]
CoalPowerGorilla	coingenuity copumpkin Corey Cory cowloon	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	!up cowloon	[02:49]
-assbot-	You voiced cowloon for 30 minutes.	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	bitstein it's not just money, either. consider my earlier quoted piece about how "you can't police other people's oppression".	[02:50]
bitstein	Pierre_Rochard has referred to Bitcoin as an example of Coase theorem. Bitcoin can be allocated however... it will fall out of the hands of the stupid.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	and it's really universal. i was out one night here, and a bum (there's tons of bums in buenos aires, they have matresses in the street and whatnot) started howling. like 3 am.	[02:50]
FoOdies	mircea_popescu the day bitcoin is no longer paired against fiat is the day bitcoin has reached it's purpose	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	a passerby was like "shut up!" all aggro.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	find the us guy that wil tell a bum what to do, how to speak and so on.	[02:51]
FoOdies	until then it's just an unregulated trading asset	[02:51]
FoOdies	imho	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	"o, could never do that". well ? why not ? whoi's to tell the bums how to behave ? who's to tell children what to do, when and how ?	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	Marketing opportunity >> http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/170-foot-ketchup-bottle-sale-illinois-24665481	[02:51]
assbot	170-Foot Ketchup Bottle for Sale in Illinois - ABC News	[02:51]
FoOdies	I like this place, it's all kinds of weird	[02:52]
FoOdies	can I have perma voice ?	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	nah, you should too shilly.	[02:52]
FoOdies	I'll consider a shpaga when I meet you	[02:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 429 @ 0.00273 = 1.1712 BTC [-] {2}	[02:52]
FoOdies	notice the usage of when	[02:52]
FoOdies	the firm usage	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	permanence is illusory anyway.	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	Pretty sure that catsup bottle can be dressed up as an MPEx dildo	[02:53]
bitstein	Somewhat related, I'm working on an article about how merchants are just scammers trying to swindle you out of your bitcoins.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it being ill, they'll prolly shoot someone with it.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	bitstein perhaps going a little too far.	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Other side of the state. A few hundred miles from Chiraq	[02:54]
bitstein	Yes, that's the hyperbolic summary.	[02:54]
bitstein	I'll pass on a draft later on. I have school in the way right now.	[02:55]
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BingoBoingo	!up FoOdies	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	;;view 21114	[02:57]
gribble	#21114 Sun Jul 20 00:20:35 2014 BTCminers SELL 1.0 Spin Wheel – wheel Script for any crypto coin + Installing @ 0.1 BTC (Escrow Accepted)	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves feel like running whatever that is ?	[02:57]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/07/17/brenda_ann_kenneally_documents_life_below_the_poverty_line_in_troy_york.html	[02:58]
assbot	Brenda Ann Kenneally documents life below the poverty line in Troy, York in her documentary project, Upstate Girls.	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	^ lulzy photos	[02:58]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/behold/2014/06/Troy/lawrence_2007.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg <<< i bet this filename was created on a windows.win.windows.xp.windows system	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	OMG spot the DOgecoiner	[03:04]
BingoBoingo	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsJWVHlCAAIRvsj.jpg:large	[03:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/behold/2014/06/Troy/Robert%20Stocklas_2013.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg << check out the punctured oil heater with a jimmy rigged power connection.	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	this guy could be a 2012 bitcoin miner.	[03:06]
BingoBoingo	"I would encourage you to finish before the majority of your committee members retire. (seriously.)" << Roflmao, I know a between one and two hand full of countable fingers of these people.	[03:08]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.horseradishfestival.net/ << Event that happens in the shadow of the Catsup Bottle/Dildo water tower	[03:10]
assbot	International Horseradish Festival, Collinsville, IL. First weekend in June	[03:10]
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BingoBoingo	Actual contest that happened http://www.collinsvillerec.com/pdffiles/14_IHF_BloodyMaryContestApp.pdf	[03:12]
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mircea_popescu	wait. that boy actually is... a girl http://www.upstategirls.org/images/Jodie/jodie_2500px-003.jpg ?!	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, very merkley??? looking shit, except minus either the talent or the interest	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	( the real deal http://www.threequestionmarks.com/blog/blog.html )	[03:22]
assbot	merkley???: I May Not Be God, But at Least I'm Real.	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	roflcopter	[03:26]
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bitstein	Ethereum has raised nearly $800k in about 2 hours: https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2	[03:39]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2	[03:39]
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mircea_popescu	lol so people bought >1k btc worth of ethereum at 2k each btc , instead of buying 1k btc worth of ethereum at 5k each btc ?	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	does this sound credible to you in any sense ?	[03:40]
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bitstein	Well I'm amazed by any purchase of Ethereum, so...	[03:41]
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mircea_popescu	why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ?	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	o wait, they're all sent off the same software which simply substracts the same mining fee from the txn ?	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	funny how that'd be the case.	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	Wait, there's a wallet thing that does that?	[03:44]
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mike_c	isn't ethereum a wallet or something?	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Well, so far it is a nothing	[03:45]
mike_c	also, it's possible they didn't know about the better offer yet.	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	Then it will pretend to be a something before becoming a nothing again	[03:45]
mike_c	da fuck am i thinking of? mycelium, etherwhoizt. what the fuck is that node-less wallet thingy?	[03:46]
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mike_c	jurov is a big fan. unless i dreamt all this.	[03:47]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Electrum?	[03:47]
mike_c	yes	[03:47]
mike_c	these names.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	mike_c right, because nobody with any btc reads the logs, or reddit, or twitter.	[03:47]
BingoBoingo	Ah. Electrum wallet (split into online and offline components like armory) plus one's own electrum server actually doesn't seem like a bad wallet solution atm	[03:48]
mike_c	well, are you proposing that there is no longer significant # of btc in the hands of idiots?	[03:48]
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mike_c	i didn't think we were there yet.	[03:49]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: yeah, it didn't seem completely retarded. i had attached some of that feeling to this ethereum thingy. didn't realize it was just a complete nothing.	[03:50]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Yeah, a big problem in this space is still sound/look a like names.	[03:50]
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BingoBoingo	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kn6VXOVa--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/zo17x0u9io1fppluzmmk.jpg	[03:59]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c in this case, the only significant amount of btc is in the hands of the idiots trying to fraudulently prop an ipo scam visible from the moon, in some sort of misplaced delusion of legal immunity.	[04:10]
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benkay	mircea_popescu: d'you recall what gmaxwell's all butthurt about?	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	Well, it was just last week the link dropped here of an aspiring HYIP scammer who lost a whole BTC to malware he though would let him cheat a pasted together gambling site.	[04:16]
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BingoBoingo	benkay: Porn. gmaxwell hates pr0ns	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	getting publicly humiliated ? the usaul thing.	[04:16]
benkay	just wondering what fine print he failed to read.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo a whole btc. not a succession of 5.997 2.997 etc etc.	[04:16]
benkay	having failed to read my fair share of fine print in the past.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	benkay o, i don't imagine his recent derpage has any substance to it, merely him trying his best at crafting effectual calumny.	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, the dispute is preserved here : http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/	[04:17]
assbot	The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, this whole ether huffing thing smells just like the mastercoin "sell coin now" and then "release anything eventually"	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	obviously the fact that time has meanwhile proven my points doesn't in any sense help.	[04:18]
BingoBoingo	;;rate gmaxwell -1 Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant	[04:19]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user gmaxwell has been recorded.	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	What was Hearn's nick?	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, this isn't in any sense a dispute pitting flaming social justice warriors and other braindamaged kids trying to make the world "liberal" a la copumpkin against cold hard reality.	[04:19]
copumpkin	lol	[04:20]
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mircea_popescu	this is a dispute where a consumate gofer (ie, gmaxwell) is trying to veer their naivity into some sort of political relevance for himself, gets called out and then stomped out.	[04:20]
benkay	BingoBoingo: is this ether coin a btc fork or...	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	much like the life of andreas derpopowhatever, except two years earlier	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Pre-sold instead of pre-mined	[04:20]
benkay	BingoBoingo: still no software then i gather	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	which shouldn't be surprising : anyone can be a very ambitious failed painter or w/e mediocrity.	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Not that they've released. Apparently the presale ether goes in their genesis block	[04:21]
bitstein	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6llaZefJDc	[04:22]
assbot	The Producers -- Hitler...there was a painter - YouTube	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	What was Hearn's nick? << i don't recall he ever managing to figure out the gpg arcana. i imagine he'll first have to implement a google code version, that doesn't work.	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ah, I though I'd give him the "UnsavoryGarnish, Vegetable" ninjashogun and gmaxwell earned	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	But if he didn't submit himself to civilization	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	...	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	I guess that people will have to read other places that he is suspected of being the lead USG plant	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	not the sort of thing that really needs to be read by too many people anyway.	[04:24]
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mircea_popescu	benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork.	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	it's going to do great things in novel ways just as soon as someone does it.	[04:25]
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mircea_popescu	copumpkin lol, lol, but how about you go count female heads in otc and here ? just for lulz.	[04:26]
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copumpkin	busy eating some hand grasp bread I just made	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	i never had that thing. what the hell is it	[04:27]
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benkay	benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork. // vaporware fork XD	[04:28]
nubbins`	what's hand grasp bread	[04:28]
benkay	at least urbit had code in the wild, has ether achieved that yet?	[04:28]
copumpkin	fluffy chinese bread: http://www.beifangmeishi.com/file/upload/201306/25/16-43-04-45-36.jpg	[04:28]
copumpkin	dlicious	[04:28]
copumpkin	om nom nom	[04:28]
nubbins`	oh yum	[04:28]
nubbins`	is that wheat-based?	[04:28]
benkay	nubbins`: hit the lawyer turn off the gym, facebook up?	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	look slike an exploded strudel.	[04:29]
copumpkin	mine isnt as beautiful as that one	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	benkay well it's a spoonlet then , not quite a fork	[04:29]
copumpkin	yeah wheat	[04:29]
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nubbins`	benkay i know all the verbs you just used	[04:29]
nubbins`	i'm trying to see if i can make a business case for buying one of these cd duplication machines	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` lawyer is a noun. get it ? A NOUN. you don't want it to sue you.,	[04:31]
benkay	the spoon is a lie	[04:31]
nubbins`	with the little robot arms	[04:31]
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BingoBoingo	Fuck it, Imma walk over to the county fair and grab some chikin livers to go with this vodka	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	how much do they cost ?	[04:31]
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BingoBoingo	(reconstituted vodka)	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo grab a chick'n while at it.	[04:31]
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copumpkin	nubbins`: wtf is a cd	[04:32]
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nubbins`	i know right	[04:32]
nubbins`	that's in the "cons" list	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	!up Ginux	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	!up gilgameshugga	[04:32]
nubbins`	but they're fuckin cheap. like under 3btc	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	ok, how many cds did you burn last year ?	[04:32]
copumpkin	hell, I can't even remember the last time I handled physical media	[04:33]
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dub	http://www.chinesefoodsblog.com/node/125	[04:33]
copumpkin	that's cause nobody else wants them either	[04:33]
assbot	Chopped green onion hand grasp bread \| Chinesefood	[04:33]
nubbins`	reason i'm wondering is we got a job producing cd jackets etc for a band, and we're printing on the discs	[04:33]
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copumpkin	dub: yup	[04:33]
dub	complete wiht engrish++	[04:33]
nubbins`	started humming about actually duplicating them too	[04:33]
dub	this is my new favorite blog	[04:33]
benkay	Somewhat related, I'm working on an article about how merchants are just scammers trying to swindle you out of your bitcoins. // i'm starting to like you	[04:33]
copumpkin	delicious	[04:33]
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copumpkin	so much good chinese food never leaves china	[04:33]
copumpkin	it's a pity people only eat general tsao and such	[04:33]
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dub	duck you	[04:34]
dub	um	[04:34]
dub	fuck you	[04:34]
copumpkin	:(	[04:34]
-assbot-	You voiced Ginux for 30 minutes.	[04:34]
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-assbot-	You voiced gilgameshugga for 30 minutes.	[04:34]
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midnightmagic	you just have to know a chinese person. I got some great stuff smuggled out. :-D	[04:34]
dub	i want chinee food now	[04:34]
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copumpkin	chinese lamb sticks are the best	[04:35]
copumpkin	ma po doufu	[04:35]
copumpkin	mm	[04:35]
copumpkin	in fact, anything with szechuan peppercorns	[04:35]
dub	theres a place up the road that does that bread and og dumplings	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	i never got into chinese. sushi i like, indian lamb i like, but chinese... hm. what's it even for.	[04:35]
copumpkin	amazing ingredient	[04:35]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:35]
midnightmagic	tingly numby-ness.	[04:35]
copumpkin	>_>	[04:35]
dub	but im too hungover to drive	[04:36]
copumpkin	mmm	[04:36]
midnightmagic	nom nom nom	[04:36]
copumpkin	yup	[04:36]
dub	yeah numbing heat	[04:36]
dub	good shit	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	ironically, the sechuan pepper i actually like	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	usually put it on... pfeffersteak	[04:36]
copumpkin	that's cause it's an amazing ingredient	[04:37]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:37]
copumpkin	<_<	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah, proly the best pepper.	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	either that or green	[04:37]
midnightmagic	there are some weird salts that are hand-mined and prepared in china too. They highlight one in a show called "Taste of China".	[04:37]
dub	goddamit	[04:37]
copumpkin	yup	[04:37]
midnightmagic	amazing weird flavours.	[04:37]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:37]
midnightmagic	lol	[04:37]
copumpkin	lol	[04:37]
dub	im gonna have to man up and put some pants on	[04:38]
copumpkin	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:38]
copumpkin	hmm	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic it's not "salt scraped off forced labouring prisoners sweat" or something is it	[04:38]
copumpkin	aMazing pepper	[04:38]
dub	mircea_popescu: just the balls	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	chinese men have balls ?!	[04:38]
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midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: lol no, but its extraction is hugely labour-intensive.. same as lots of things in our world that have disappeared because nobody's willing or able to go to the effort anymore	[04:38]
dub	hey now, no need for racis	[04:39]
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mircea_popescu	dub is racis the enemy of ratrans ?	[04:39]
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mircea_popescu	midnightmagic but i mean... salt is salt, right ? it forms deposits, acertain way. why labour intensive ?	[04:39]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: pure salt is. The impurities give it the weird extra flavours. I mean some I'm not cool with. There's this weird black salt that has a lot of sulphur in it.	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	sulphur is supposedly good for you, somehow.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters.	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	I'm back, mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo grab a chick'n while at it. << How does that saying go... "Don't shit where you eat"	[04:41]
dub	Put to wok,add a spoon oil,cook until two side become yellow.OK!	[04:42]
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mircea_popescu	dub is that wok or work ?	[04:42]
dub	if yan can cook then so can you	[04:42]
midnightmagic	my mistake the show is called "A Bite Of China" but damned if I can find the episode now :)	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	honestly, i'd be kinda loath to take bites out of china.	[04:43]
kakobrekla	they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters. < been to such place, saturnia in italy.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	kinda big.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla there's one in romania and i think somewhere in serbia ? or maybe it was albania	[04:43]
midnightmagic	There's a spot near me where the hotsprngs have naturally-occurring lithium in them.	[04:44]
midnightmagic	it's horrible literally being unable to move faster than a walk after sitting in those waters too long	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	wow	[04:44]
dub	is that good for you?	[04:45]
midnightmagic	i didn't know until afterwards that the water was contaminated. they sell it as a health spa.	[04:45]
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mircea_popescu	"experience being old for a day!"	[04:45]
midnightmagic	"what the fuck is wrong with me" sluggish zombie-movement	[04:45]
kakobrekla	Mataruška Banja? Havent been but need to check it out sometime.	[04:45]
midnightmagic	yah	[04:45]
dub	they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	dub: Not just then, low dose lithium can work well for a person when their brain is just running a little hot.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ya sound about right	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	dub> they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis << Also they don't really give lithium much for psychosis anymore which is a shame considering how well it works...	[04:48]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming.	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	we're trying to build a great future here and you gotta throw simple element wrenches into the windows	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming. << I'm fighting marketing. Just because pharma doesn't want to compete with Tesla's 1337 battery factory doesn't mean that there are better uses for those salts than motor carriages and iBortions.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	psychoactive lithium is not complex enough. progress is complexity, to oppose complexification is to be antisocial and terrorist.	[04:52]
*	BingoBoingo finds it interesting that in a few years on patent Atypical Antipsychotics will dry up, and the next pivot isn't apparent on the horizon yet.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo seeing how well the current stuff works, they can just patent borax glass and give that to people.	[04:53]
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BingoBoingo	Come on, there's nothing more complex than the cascade of mystery meat that happens when lithium displaces sodium in the gap and raises action potential	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	but that's complexity in the wrong place.	[04:54]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, The Last Psychiatrist had all of those wonderfully illustrative Seroquel articles about complexity in the right places, but... Tis off pattent nao	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	TLP's rum fountain analogy in those articles is probably the best popular science writing this century so far.	[04:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00081519 = 18.4233 BTC [+] {3}	[04:58]
nubbins`	nice middle-of-the-line cd duplicator is maybe $1500	[04:58]
nubbins`	realistically could charge about 50 cents for the duplication of one cd	[04:58]
nubbins`	which means 3k cds duplicated before i can stop worrying about breaking the thing	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you never answered as to how many you made	[04:59]
nubbins`	for customers? zero	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Look used on Ebay already.	[04:59]
nubbins`	just happened to be making some cd cases for a band and they wanted discs printed, idly wondering if we'd want to duplicate em too	[05:00]
nubbins`	probably not	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` ok, how many do you figure you'll make and on what basis do you so figure ?	[05:00]
kakobrekla	tell em if he orders 3k.	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla's idea goes a long way towards that. "3k, cause they're prepaid"	[05:00]
nubbins`	it's hard to say because a lot of bands are doing vinyl or download cards these days instead of cds. ballpark guess, might get 1000 cds duped over the next year	[05:01]
mike_c	and exponential decrease every year after	[05:01]
mike_c	it's like a miner!	[05:01]
nubbins`	well, there's that too	[05:01]
kakobrekla	at this point - might be more $ to be in the floppy biz.	[05:02]
nubbins`	you can also get dupe towers, with one master drive and say 5 burners	[05:02]
nubbins`	they're only around $700	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	horrible business purchase, moving on.	[05:02]
nubbins`	not quite as hands-off tho	[05:02]
nubbins`	lel, agreed	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` , hey, it's what you originally asked.	[05:02]
nubbins`	this is a silkscreen printing studio, not a cd dupe centre	[05:02]
nubbins`	just looking for a fresh perspective, glad to see we're all in agreement 8)	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: How many Cd's do they need duped?	[05:03]
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nubbins`	this particular job, only 200	[05:03]
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nubbins`	i'd say at this point, more stuff is being released on cassette here than cd	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` this is like, groupthink. no fresh perspectives allowed here.	[05:04]
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nubbins`	heh	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` but srsly, if you can get a vynil press you can sell to all the hippies	[05:04]
nubbins`	mp, that's its own craft	[05:05]
kakobrekla	that shit costs serial monies.	[05:05]
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nubbins`	almost every vinyl pressing house in canada outsources to this one factory in czech	[05:05]
mike_c	really? shipping is worth it?	[05:05]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c easy to fuck up	[05:05]
nubbins`	they do direct-to-metal digital masters with this crazy machine	[05:05]
nubbins`	supposed to be a one-of-a-kind setup	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	it probably is.	[05:06]
nubbins`	name an a-list band, their vinyl is pressed there	[05:06]
mike_c	interesting.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	the last existing top hat factory was destroyed in a family dispute coupla decades ago	[05:06]
nubbins`	jeez	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	most of the good old shit is one of a kind setups	[05:06]
BingoBoingo	Nubbins 2k cd minimum order I could set up cd production with artisinal hand labeling ~ 8.7 BTC and handle the remaining on a print on demand basis. 6 week turn around for the first batch.	[05:06]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo i don't think many bands here would be into a 2k minimum ;(	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo there exist no indie bands which can afford a 10 btc expenditure on life saving surgery	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	let alone cds	[05:07]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu you forget, this is canada	[05:07]
nubbins`	sweet sweet grant money	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` anyway, the only way to do this is, make the whole studio, force-sign the bands, work them like slaves.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	not VERY profitable, but a lot of fun.	[05:08]
nubbins`	heh	[05:08]
nubbins`	maybe i'll just stick to printing	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well I figured I'd throw a quote out there just in case some "band" has parents with more coin than sense	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo those kids go for mbas, new cars and bumps off teenage asscracks.	[05:08]
nubbins`	one of our regular customers was awarded a $10k grant last year to record an album	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	not shitty "music"	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` wow socialist utopia. was the album actually made ?	[05:09]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a copy somewhere	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	or did it work pretty much like kickstarter	[05:09]
nubbins`	it was their third album, first one paid for by someone else	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: The 2k minimum is to avoid the situation where they buy exactly the number of cd's they have friends to pester and need pod cd's twice a month for a decade.	[05:09]
nubbins`	that's the thing about grants, you get blacklisted if you don't produce (a) your work and (b) your receipts	[05:10]
nubbins`	and nobody wants to get blacklisted, 'cause ain't nobody but the government giving out free money	[05:10]
mike_c	"free"	[05:10]
nubbins`	hey, free enough	[05:11]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I've had classmates with "farm money" talk their parents into covering their Film School, Mary Jane prescription, and subsequent X-mas DUI's. Weirder things happen in fiat land.	[05:11]
mike_c	not so free for the people they took it from	[05:11]
nubbins`	mike_c, our benevolent overlords see it fit that we should be entertained with fresh music	[05:11]
nubbins`	and so we gladly oblige, purse in hand	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression.	[05:11]
mike_c	hey, it's better than how our gov't spends its money..	[05:12]
nubbins`	i mean, really, it's not the band that gets the $10k	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	im not sure if shitty contemporary bands should be given 10k in grants to derp quietly in a corner at their craft or just be medicated worth 10k for possesion.	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	so far neither strat seems to work any	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	canada hasn't had a good musician since cohen visited and the us...	[05:13]
nubbins`	it's everyone they hire to do shit for them that they used to have to do themselves	[05:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 419 @ 0.0014122 = 0.5917 BTC [-] {6}	[05:13]
nubbins`	wat	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` too lazy to list the us problemz.	[05:13]
mike_c	wait, was that a meta-insult?	[05:14]
justusranvier	mircea_popescu: What happens if by next March 15th, the Ethereum network isn't sufficiently functional for you to be able to deliver Ethers to the people who take you up on your offer?	[05:14]
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mike_c	"i'm too drunk to list irish problems"	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier amusingly, in that case the contract'd be void.	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, it'd be an explicit clause limiting such cases, obv.	[05:15]
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mircea_popescu	in any case, one generally buys a future if they expect the thing to work well, not to fail.	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	if you buy a future and the thing fails there's many ways to put it, but they all boil down to "you're screwed".	[05:20]
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justusranvier	They might have value as collector's items 30 years from now.	[05:21]
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mircea_popescu	all sorts of mights, obviously.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	the aliens might land five minutes later and declare that anyone can have super hot alien blowjobs for a eth each	[05:23]
BingoBoingo	!b 7	[05:23]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But then the aliens burn in hell for coming from the wrong earth	[05:24]
justusranvier	"Vintage Ether units. Mint condition - never used."	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	i happen to be party to the first and oldest actually executed short, incidentally. you ever saw it ?	[05:25]
BingoBoingo	I wonder if ethereum ethers will suffer from the problem classical ether does where explosive peroxide crystals form.	[05:25]
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BingoBoingo	Also, fuck tractor pulls	[05:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3471532818_a05495e39d_o.jpg decent tits on those legs.	[05:39]
mthreat	anti-gravity	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	they do wonderful things with plastics now	[05:41]
mthreat	did someone already post this here? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bg93d/heres_why_i_love_bitcoin_very_nsfw_version/	[05:42]
assbot	Here's Why I Love Bitcoin! [Very NSFW Version] ;) : Bitcoin	[05:42]
mthreat	appears to be from sexy saffron	[05:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.00274866 = 1.9241 BTC [+]	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	five holes, asciilifeform	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	or was it six.	[05:43]
asciilifeform	damn what'd i miss.	[05:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.00697642 = 1.0465 BTC [+] {5}	[05:47]
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decimation	asciilifeform were you tired of breathing laser-combustion byproducts?	[05:50]
asciilifeform	decimation: aye	[05:50]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: lithium pharma << as i recall, the therapeutic envelope is so narrow as to be practically absent - e.g. slow poison	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Therapeutic envelope is indeed very narrow. 0.4 to 1.2, toxic depending on the patient starts at 0.8 to 1.4	[05:53]
decimation	asciilifeform if you aren't making stencils with laser cutter, what are you making? custom circuit-board etchings?	[05:54]
BingoBoingo	But, on the plus side interactions with other drugs are minimal	[05:54]
asciilifeform	decimation: mechanicals for paste laydown apparatus.	[05:54]
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decimation	neato, robots building robots	[05:54]
decimation	I wouldn't mind building something like this one day: http://www.vtwilson.net/telescope.html (complete with russian military satellite observatory)	[05:56]
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BingoBoingo	Seriously though, calling these things competing in the tractor pull "tractors" is an insult to the idea of useful machinery.	[05:58]
asciilifeform	;;buy 1 "Auger valve for high-viscosity fluid dispenser, any manufacturer." at 1 BTC	[05:59]
gribble	Order id 21143 created.	[05:59]
decimation	lithium & warfarin are famous for narrow theraputic index	[05:59]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: Warfarin is a bit different. Warfarin has an antidote.	[06:00]
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mircea_popescu	btw, since i've been reading my old romanian bitcoin articles, landed on some gems. anyone remembers vladimir's asic ?	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-a-public-company-will-build-a-huge-bitcoin-mining-operation-asic.49333/page-15	[06:03]
assbot	[ANN] A public company will build a huge Bitcoin Mining Operation (ASIC). \| Page 15 \| Bitcointa.lk	[06:03]
decimation	asciilifeform don't you need to refigerate solder paste?	[06:04]
decimation	refridgerate	[06:04]
asciilifeform	decimation: yes. or, alternatively, use it up quickly.	[06:04]
asciilifeform	it doesn't keep.	[06:04]
decimation	I guess if you do a batch at a time you use it up	[06:04]
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asciilifeform	even refrigerated, the balls settle.	[06:05]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: OMG comments http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2bfwaw/mircea_popescu_offers_a_short_of_etherium_coins/	[06:05]
assbot	Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015 : CryptoCurrency	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	"If this ASIC mambo jumbo goes forward then I think BTC is as "good" as PayPal or the Bank of England." (forum communitard, 2012).	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i saw some on tat's link too	[06:06]
decimation	http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-sale-Auto-Glue-Dispenser-Solder-Paste-Liquid-Controller-Dropper-YDL-983A-Dispensing-system/757892187.html	[06:06]
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assbot	220V Auto Glue Dispenser Solder Paste Liquid Controller Dropper YDL 983A Dispensing system-in Other Machinery from Industry & Business on Aliexpress.com	[06:06]
decimation	why not air dispenser?	[06:07]
asciilifeform	decimation: i own almost exactly that one	[06:07]
asciilifeform	they're crap, fundamentally	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah	[06:07]
decimation	too much variance in the dispensed amount?	[06:08]
asciilifeform	decimation: two reasons: air is a terrible working fluid (compressible!) making for very poor repeatability;	[06:08]
asciilifeform	decimation: likewise, major problem with 'drool' (actual term of art!)	[06:08]
decimation	yeah, plus when it runs out it will spatter I suspect	[06:08]
asciilifeform	decimation: that is, apparatus continues to shit after pressure is relieved	[06:08]
decimation	yeah you almost want to push it out with water or something, except that would dilute the flux	[06:09]
asciilifeform	air-fart syringe apparatus works for what it was built for - chinese slave gurlz dispensing glue.	[06:09]
decimation	generally in that application you don't care about drool or spillage	[06:10]
asciilifeform	state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw.	[06:10]
decimation	x turns of screw gives repeatable amount?	[06:10]
asciilifeform	turned with a stepper motor.	[06:10]
asciilifeform	correct.	[06:10]
decimation	plus no drool because it acts as a valve	[06:11]
decimation	interesting.	[06:11]
asciilifeform	aye.	[06:11]
BingoBoingo	http://www.theonion.com/articles/mans-anxiety-not-about-to-let-depression-muscle-in,36504/	[06:12]
assbot	Mans Anxiety Not About To Let Depression Muscle In On Turf \| The Onion - America's Finest News Source	[06:12]
decimation	you would need a tiny auger screw though?	[06:12]
asciilifeform	yes. and the cavity it turns in can have no more than a very small gap between the auger and walls.	[06:13]
decimation	http://www.evilmadscientist.com/2013/solder-paste/	[06:13]
assbot	Basics: Up Close and Personal with Solder Paste \| Evil Mad Scientist Laboratories	[06:13]
asciilifeform	these normally cost their weight in diamonds new.	[06:13]
decimation	"This is ?type 3? solder, which allows solder balls of up to 45 ?m in size, where 99% of those particles are below 38 ?m. "	[06:13]
decimation	that's a pretty small gap to close off	[06:13]
decimation	45 micrometer ball size	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	County fair week has to be the worst week, why does a sled need 8 gallons of engine displacement to pull another sled full of weights?	[06:15]
asciilifeform	decimation: i use only Sn/Bi alloy, 138C. as described on mircea_popescu's site.	[06:16]
asciilifeform	25-45 micron ball variance.	[06:16]
asciilifeform	it is reasonably inexpensive and reflows beautifully on an electric hob.	[06:18]
kakobrekla	its basically a tiny meat grinder.	[06:19]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla has it.	[06:19]
*	asciilifeform now wonders if said paste conducts well enough to be propelled in 'MHD' pump.	[06:20]
dub	my wood pellet burner ingests its food with an auger	[06:21]
asciilifeform	dub: cutting edge ancient greek tech.	[06:22]
asciilifeform	http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Fluids/Archimedes_Screw/Archimedes_Screw.html	[06:23]
assbot	Archimede's Screw	[06:23]
asciilifeform	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes'_screw#mediaviewer/File:Archimedes-screw_one-screw-threads_with-ball_3D-view_animated_small.gif	[06:23]
assbot	Archimedes' screw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:23]
dub	its a bit buggy with the pellets, thinks its jammed and refuses to start around half the time	[06:23]
asciilifeform	(for victims of american school)	[06:23]
dub	smart way to isolate fuel store from the hot bit	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	dub how large are the pellets ?	[06:25]
dub	5 by 10mm cylinders	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	prolly needs a tune-upo, the screw	[06:28]
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dub	yeah, dust caked around the sensor oslt	[06:29]
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dub	theres an appendage on the front of it that runs through middle of the screw which you pull out and wiggle to get it going again	[06:30]
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dub	it would be a problem if I used the automation bits but its not annoying enough to start pulling it apart	[06:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22327 @ 0.00081115 = 18.1105 BTC [-] {4}	[06:34]
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BingoBoingo	!up shesek	[06:42]
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shesek	hey BingoBoingo	[06:42]
BingoBoingo	hello shesek	[06:42]
shesek	I actually have no idea what this channel is for - I saw it mentioned on Reddit and joined in	[06:42]
shesek	the website doesn't really say much, either	[06:43]
BingoBoingo	shesek: Well, this channel is kind of like the pipefitter's lounge, but for serious bitcoiners instead of pipefitters.	[06:44]
BingoBoingo	Not necessarily serious in general mind you. Just serious in Bitcoin.	[06:45]
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Pierre_Rochard	shesek: a good introduction is here http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/	[06:47]
assbot	Bitcoin Is Great, But It Won’t Fix Our Monkey Brains \| The mlaut	[06:47]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: It looks like you've worked quite a bit on Electrum. Familiar at all with documentation for the server component?	[06:47]
*	asciilifeform discovered an interesting, (though probably not new) scam.	[06:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00080277 = 26.0097 BTC [-] {4}	[06:57]
Rassah	I think "our monkey brains" are largely influenced by societal norms, and bitcoin will "hack" some of those norms just as other technologies and science discoveries have...	[06:58]
asciilifeform	one can buy 'sim cards' intended for industrial applications - alarms, sensors, etc. where you feed it once a quarter, and the balance is spent when making/receiving calls or sms	[06:58]
asciilifeform	i have one such. and now i know how the vendor scams	[06:59]
asciilifeform	the device receives sms spam.	[06:59]
asciilifeform	despite the number never seeing the light of day anywhere	[06:59]
asciilifeform	could be 'wardialer,' of course.	[06:59]
asciilifeform	or - their actual business model.	[06:59]
BingoBoingo	Rassah: Actual brain hacking is much harder than it first sppears	[07:00]
asciilifeform	interesting how business model where strangers can reach in and take money from your pocket can carry on.	[07:04]
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asciilifeform	(how? captive audience. who wants to pay a fat monthly fee for a remote sensor? so you're stuck with these.)	[07:05]
BingoBoingo	At least with the prepaid model if the carrier pisses you of, the shredder is a viable solution to device difficulties	[07:06]
nubbins`	so in the wedding planning world, a "save the date" card is a thing	[07:06]
dub	was wondering wtf you are on about until I noticed you said you pay to recieve traffic (wtf?)	[07:06]
kakobrekla	you pay for incoming sms ?	[07:06]
nubbins`	it's like an invitation, but subtly different	[07:06]
dub	never seen that one	[07:06]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: but where do you flee? they're all identical.	[07:06]
nubbins`	it's sort of like a pre-announcement	[07:06]
nubbins`	to use a btc analogy	[07:06]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Not for the privacy part, for the billing tyranny	[07:06]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: in usa, afaik all prepaid 'sim' vendors charge for both directions	[07:07]
dub	thats fucked	[07:07]
kakobrekla	retarded is what it is.	[07:07]
BingoBoingo	They do indeed charge both ways, but it is still at least half the price of actual service.	[07:07]
BingoBoingo	Often cheaper than [Insert President] Phone plans	[07:08]
dub	it'd be cheaper for me to buy a burner with sim included than just sim	[07:08]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: less than 1/10 the price of the cheapest 'actual' service. but, given that spammers exist, the cost is non-deterministic	[07:08]
asciilifeform	which is annoying in the extreme.	[07:08]
dub	still only $20-30 with some credit included	[07:08]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I'm starting to get curious. Do you really get that many SMS spammers?	[07:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: enough to be annoyed	[07:10]
kakobrekla	ascii your service provder is selling out to spammers ? tried switching to another ?	[07:10]
asciilifeform	my new hypothesis is that all cellular carriers that market to 'almost never uses account' folks make their dough on spam.	[07:10]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla: tried a number of carriers for this application. noticed this pattern.	[07:11]
dub	now that I think about it, I once bought an LTE modem with sim and $50 credit for $50	[07:11]
BingoBoingo	Last SMS spam I got was 3 phone numbers ago	[07:11]
asciilifeform	dub: what's it cost per year?	[07:11]
dub	nothing, no contract	[07:11]
asciilifeform	dub: no, per year of actually being reachable	[07:12]
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dub	uh its 3Gb for $50	[07:13]
asciilifeform	dub: we're talking about an unattended telemetry gizmo	[07:13]
dub	right, it wouldnt cost	[07:14]
asciilifeform	dub: vendor?	[07:14]
dub	dubistani specific one	[07:14]
asciilifeform	dub: every carrier i know of save the ones described above deduct $positive_integer per $time_period	[07:15]
dub	theres a sim in mrs dubs ipad that hasnt had credit on it since.. whenever ipad2 dropped 3+ years? still registers on the network fine	[07:16]
asciilifeform	dub: is this a formal arrangement, or a fortuitous accident? (e.g. 'comcast' once gave me ~2 years of service gratis. by virtue of sheer ineptness.)	[07:17]
dub	its standard product	[07:17]
asciilifeform	device-locked?	[07:18]
dub	no, its a burner sim	[07:18]
kakobrekla	from the ghetto streets.	[07:18]
asciilifeform	if anyone knows of equivalent in usa, speak up.	[07:18]
kakobrekla	isnt dub in usa?	[07:18]
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dub	lolno	[07:19]
kakobrekla	a ok	[07:19]
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dub	im banned from usa in fact :)	[07:19]
dub	not that I would want to go back	[07:19]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: If you want pure cell phone and SMS service Carlos Slim's Tracphone is the cheapest option	[07:19]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: they sell non-devicelocked sim ?	[07:20]
BingoBoingo	Next cheapest and my current option is AT&T go phone	[07:20]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Their sims are very device locked	[07:20]
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kuzetsa	huh	[07:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: and both carriers you mentioned charge $posint / mo.	[07:20]
kakobrekla	dub yurop?	[07:20]
kuzetsa	I guess assbot shares the same database as gribble, neat	[07:20]
asciilifeform	we're talking about a gadget that powers up and sends a single 'sms' every blue moon.	[07:21]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: But device cost is low and every similar device must be treated as a turd anyways	[07:21]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: For asciilifeform> we're talking about a gadget that powers up and sends a single 'sms' every blue moon. << You can pay $ int every year.	[07:21]
BingoBoingo	Less than ideal, but...	[07:21]
dub	kakobrekla: neg	[07:22]
BingoBoingo	For the cost of keeping a phone alive on the network I dunno of anything cheaper than Tracfone in the US	[07:22]
dub	satphones have prepay options iirc	[07:24]
dub	cost probably negates benefit, and you'd need sky	[07:26]
cazalla	re: salt, what is it with chinks and magic salt, had missus bff coming around with himalayan salt trying to scam me under the guise of it being great for baby	[07:26]
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dub	idk, I recall a theory that abnormally high iodine levels in the japanese contributes to their well above average longevity	[07:28]
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dub	(most western table salt has iodine removed)	[07:29]
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cazalla	they add it to salt, bread etc etc here	[07:30]
cazalla	actually, bread is folic acid, yet these women don't have babies	[07:30]
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dub	along with all manner of soy poisons and cow extracts	[07:31]
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dub	;;google cows in the bread	[07:32]
gribble	Grain Overload/ Acidosis - LEA-White Farms Registered Highland ...: ; Processed Bread - Feeds Marketing: ; List of cattle breeds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[07:32]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Every living thing of note uses folate	[07:35]
BingoBoingo	About as close as Bio gets to having a level 0 standard	[07:35]
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mircea_popescu	the device receives sms spam. << yup	[07:36]
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cazalla	i won't pretend to know much about it other than what i said, law states they must add it to bread here, marketed to help the fetus yet women aren't falling pregnant, sounds more like a marketing pitch - here's a donut with folate, any excuse to buy it	[07:37]
dub	like fluoride, its all about reptillian seeding	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	not that I would want to go back << omg #bitcoin-extradition	[07:38]
nubbins`	<+dub> (most western table salt has iodine removed)	[07:39]
nubbins`	wat	[07:39]
nubbins`	you can buy non-iodized salt?	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	idk, I recall a theory that abnormally high iodine levels in the japanese contributes to their well above average longevity << fukushima makes sense nao.	[07:39]
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dub	funnily some time in teh 90's as I recall they started not taking it out and advertising as iodized	[07:40]
trasyhhh151	command for change nick is /msg NickServ nick name?	[07:40]
trasyhhh151	struggling here	[07:41]
dub	no /nick newnick	[07:41]
nubbins`	incidentally, if anyone's interested, this is what a "save the date" looks like: http://imgur.com/KxD5W0m	[07:42]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[07:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6586 @ 0.000802 = 5.282 BTC [-]	[07:42]
dub	I have a similarly gatsby themed one on my fridge	[07:44]
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nubbins`	deco is the new deco	[07:45]
nubbins`	is yours a real invite or a pre-invite?	[07:46]
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dub	this is an invite but i've had pre-invites before	[07:47]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.kingdomofloathing.com/desc_item.php?whichitem=888987269	[07:47]
nubbins`	strange thing, hey	[07:47]
dub	not uncommon here but I don't really get it	[07:49]
dub	if you know when, why not skip straight to the invite proper	[07:49]
nubbins`	I KNOW RIGHT	[07:50]
nubbins`	these people	[07:50]
nubbins`	i struggle to understand living a life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination of your aspirations	[07:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5089 @ 0.00080051 = 4.0738 BTC [-]	[07:51]
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nubbins`	i mean, y'know, wedding invitations for sale	[07:52]
nubbins`	but	[07:52]
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nubbins`	srsly	[07:52]
dub	been to a couple of weddings involving several thousand dollars worth of international travel and accom for the guests, one of those had a save-the-date (STD?)	[07:52]
nubbins`	heh	[07:52]
dub	since such things are frequently cheapest booked earliest	[07:52]
asciilifeform	life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination << next: seppuku parties. save the date!	[07:53]
nubbins`	oddly enough, this job came to us via a trendy downtown ad agency	[07:53]
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nubbins`	asciilifeform please join steve and kristy as they ritually disembowel themselves! transportation to and from event provided	[07:53]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: does kristy get an 'apple corer' ?	[07:54]
dub	asciilifeform: expense of travel may be offset by reduced attendees, one couple claimed to have saved considerably	[07:54]
nubbins`	it was the only thing on the gift registry that i felt comfortable buying	[07:54]
dub	he is one of 14 kids	[07:54]
dub	sorry, his mother is	[07:55]
dub	upshot, 90% of his family couldnt make it	[07:55]
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asciilifeform	only thing on the gift registry that i felt comfortable buying << lol, i suggested it as the actual instrument of sepukku	[08:00]
benkay	mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. // hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC?	[08:04]
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benkay	nubbins`: is there an auto insurance monopoly in your corner of the great untamed communist north?	[08:04]
TheNewDeal	tell us more benkay	[08:04]
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benkay	icbc	[08:05]
benkay	it's a monopoly	[08:05]
benkay	service sucks	[08:05]
benkay	what else do you want?	[08:05]
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TheNewDeal	how did they become a monopoly	[08:05]
nubbins`	benkay, nope	[08:05]
TheNewDeal	it's just like the game - no one cares about the ending, it's how you get there	[08:05]
benkay	pediwiki: "By law, any vehicle registered and driven or parked on public streets in British Columbia must purchase ICBC's basic insurance package from an independent broker. "	[08:06]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell danielpbarron Checking out my KoL inventory... What sorts of uncommon things might you be interested in pricing...	[08:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:06]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, there are so many items.. if you could get a screenshot or something..	[08:07]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Well, time trappings, the whole outfit.	[08:08]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, you might be better off selling it in the mall; I'm not really interested in buying stuff for BTC, if that's what you meant	[08:09]
danielpbarron	with the time trappings, the key is to use a wand to transform them into whatever item is selling for the most	[08:10]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Well, meat or BTC. I'd rather keep the trio together. TIme limited content and all that.	[08:10]
dub	KoL?	[08:11]
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danielpbarron	20:43:11 <+mircea_popescu> why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ? << if it's anything like the counterparty burn for xcp, the software puts a limit on 1 BTC per burn, and their reason was to make it harder for whales to burn a huge amount too easily (to make it "more fair" for the little guys)	[08:13]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, if you're getting back into playing, the time set is a nice thing to have; it's one of the most efficient ways to get extra adventures per day	[08:14]
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danielpbarron	you can get more efficient by ditching the hat and pants for other stuff, but the sword is the best hand held item for that purpose (i think)	[08:14]
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BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: It was indeed a nice pull from storage, but... Everything in this world is negotiable... And the set together has an added bonus	[08:15]
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danielpbarron	right, what i mean is, you can exceed that bonus with other gear, but we're talking about a difference of a few adventures per day	[08:16]
benkay	asciilifeform: regarding pumps, would a peristaltic work?	[08:16]
benkay	;;gettrust assbot Rassah	[08:16]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Rassah!~quassel@2601:a:f80:551:beae:c5ff:fe45:db9e. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Rassah \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rassah \| Rated since: Fri Jun 3 23:49:22 2011	[08:16]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7KIcwAn0FU	[08:17]
assbot	Tetris music on Stepper Motors! - YouTube	[08:17]
benkay	;;gettrust kuzetsa	[08:19]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user benkay to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=kuzetsa \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa \| Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012	[08:19]
benkay	;;gettrust assbot kuzetsa	[08:19]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kuzetsa \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa \| Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012	[08:19]
benkay	kuzetsa: uses gribbles db, actually. if you've got a +1 from someone in assbot's wot, you can self-up as you've discovered.	[08:20]
benkay	light coupling, wot wot	[08:20]
benkay	if you know when, why not skip straight to the invite proper // this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight	[08:23]
benkay	i struggle to understand living a life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination of your aspirations // that's why they demand consummation immediately afterwards, to keep the void filled	[08:23]
asciilifeform	benkay: i considered peristaltic. turns out, others have tried - they end up 'burping'	[08:23]
asciilifeform	benkay: which is a shame, because old medical pumps are a dime a dozen on 'ebay.'	[08:24]
benkay	'burping'?	[08:24]
benkay	asciilifeform: 'burping'?	[08:24]
asciilifeform	benkay: smallest 'quantum' of pumpage ends up being rather large.	[08:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.0131 = 0.5109 BTC [+]	[08:25]
benkay	ah, makes sense.	[08:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20591 @ 0.00080065 = 16.4862 BTC [+]	[08:27]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3aNpJTwwmc << more for aficionados	[08:30]
assbot	Canon in D major - in stepper motor - YouTube	[08:30]
dub	prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aArSn4IhHI	[08:35]
assbot	We are the champions - YouTube	[08:35]
asciilifeform	lol	[08:36]
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nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9idfQVkqKyw	[08:56]
assbot	Rachmaninov Prelude in g minor - Op. 23 No. 5 - Gilels - YouTube	[08:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.16 = 5.6 BTC [-]	[08:57]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Ah, I see the time set declined in value as well due to competitive alternatives existing nao	[08:58]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, yeah; the petrified time item is worth a lot more now since it's impossible to reverse the conversion	[08:59]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Well, it was always worth more than any part, but... Back in the say the set used to be a 100+ million meat sort of deal	[09:00]
BingoBoingo	Fuck, BTC would have been a better investment	[09:00]
danielpbarron	my hemp backpack lost a lot of value when they implemented the back inventory slot and released an official mr. store style backback :<	[09:00]
danielpbarron	went from nearly 100 million meat down to 30 something million now	[09:01]
nubbins`	i uh	[09:01]
nubbins`	oh, you're talking about a game	[09:01]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: On the plus side ignoring the thing for 6+ years means there's new content nao at least	[09:01]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Didn't you get the memo that BTC is money for games?	[09:02]
nubbins`	i thought btc was the game	[09:03]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: BTC is the game that binds all other games	[09:03]
nubbins`	you're saying these things are MONEY?!	[09:03]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Nah, I'm saying games are connected by games nao.	[09:04]
BingoBoingo	Games all the way down.	[09:04]
nubbins`	right, right	[09:04]
danielpbarron	i sent Jick a message for him to answer on his podcast, telling him he should accept BTC for Mr. A's; he shot it down and mostly focused on the "tone" i used	[09:04]
danielpbarron	then I started trying to buy/sell meat for BTC in the game's official chat; got a message from Multi Czar telling me i'd get my account disabled if i continued..	[09:05]
danielpbarron	even though their terms of use don't explicitly forbid buying/selling meat	[09:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.16 = 2.4 BTC [-]	[09:06]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Well, think more like mircea_popescu and what he did with Eve. You can trade shares of 1BTC corp for S.MPOE shares. Maybe start a 1BTMeat clan?	[09:07]
danielpbarron	i've got the counterparty thing; i think that is far enough removed from the act of buying/selling meat	[09:08]
danielpbarron	and I don't promote it in-game	[09:08]
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danielpbarron	most users of KoL are pretty hostile to BTC anyway; there is a very strong socialist bent in there	[09:09]
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mircea_popescu	hey moiety!	[16:30]
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mircea_popescu	dub: this is an invite but i've had pre-invites before << wtf is this invite to invite, ask to ask, meta bullshit anyway ?	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	do they send out "mr schmukersson will impulsively fuck mrs schmukersson thursday, august 15th around 7:12 pm, your presence is kindly solicited" spam too ?	[16:57]
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mircea_popescu	bah im fucking late to the party	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	yo peoples! YOU SHOULD HAVE SAVED MY DATE!	[16:58]
pankkake	uh, I got some altcoins to 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E	[16:59]
pankkake	someone made a mistake?	[16:59]
Pierre_Rochard	;;rate princessnell 1 Rays fan	[16:59]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user princessnell has been recorded.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	benkay: hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? << kinda why i was so lulzed out at the entire "icbc is in pink sheets" nyse debacle.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	that thing's probably worth more than the whole us atm.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	;;rated princessnell	[16:59]
gribble	You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 00:45:23 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: She's smart..	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	aok	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: << if it's anything like the counterparty burn for xcp << supposedly this is not a burn, they intend to spend it.	[17:01]
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mircea_popescu	benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.	[17:02]
chetty	http://nakamotoinstitute.org/gpg-contracts/	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: i sent Jick a message for him to answer on his podcast, telling him he should accept BTC for Mr. A's; he shot it down and mostly focused on the "tone" i used << incredible the gall of these fuckwits.	[17:04]
assbot	GPG Contracts \| Satoshi Nakamoto Institute	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	here's nobody doing nothing, and he has like... opinions on bitcoin and issues with tone and whatnot ?	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	we need a bigger jail.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	chetty yeah, the guys asked for permission to republish	[17:05]
chetty	benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.// yeah you get adults	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	Naphex so how was vacation ? new gf ?	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	chetty not you. women.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: "- We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development." << funny they didn't reserve it before the fucking thing started.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	translation : "that asshole mp is putting pressure on our liquidity providers (what, you didn't think we OWNED the btc we're presenting as having been invested by third parties ?!) and so we won't be able to keep the charade up without recirculating some capital. sorry!"	[17:08]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bhknd/btc_is_like_a_drug/	[17:08]
pankkake	hence http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bge40/im_crying_with_joy_over_here_my_toes_are_curling/	[17:08]
assbot	BTC is like a drug : Bitcoin	[17:08]
assbot	Im crying with joy over here, my toes are curling in untold glee, I have little doubt that I shall live to see this, all of it. : Buttcoin	[17:08]
pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bhf59/bitcoin_taps_into_efficiencies_in_the_camwhore/ eh	[17:09]
assbot	Bitcoin taps into efficiencies in the camwhore market : Buttcoin	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	pankkake hehehe "btc did it	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	"Dear lord this is absolutely fucking grade-A insane. I had to read that first paragraph 4 times just because I just couldn't believe somebody would ever intentionally write something so convoluted. And it doesn't improve as the paper continues. In all seriousness, this reads almost exactly like the deranged manifestos that are left behind by school shooters, that is the vibe I get from whatever the fuck you want to ca	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	ll this"	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the word he's looking for is "terrorism"	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there you go. it was not stalin's fault. the people wanted, nay, the people needed it. all of it.	[17:12]
mike_c	sometimes this channel is a sausage fest. save the date's are very reasonable. you don't have all the details figured out, but you know the day and don't want people to book something else.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	"A verbose and condescending essay written by a child who has never encountered true malice or been hungry in his whole life." << o, "you've never been hungry thus what you have to say is unimportant". because yeah, that's true value : to find out from the frequently hungry how they dun it!	[17:13]
pankkake	> I work in the adult comic industry and we sometimes publish furry comics (anthropomorphic people) and we frequently get taking down by banks and payment processors for distributing "bestiality."	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	mike_c how do you know the date if you don';t have other things (presumably, the girl ?) figured out ?	[17:13]
pankkake	oh god, furries coming to bitcoin	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	afaik it goes like this : pick a girl, pick a date, party.	[17:14]
mike_c	hahaha.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	pankkake no that's quite old.	[17:14]
Pierre_Rochard	chetty: please let us know if you have any other candidates for republication	[17:14]
mike_c	no. 1) pick a girl. 2) she picks the date	[17:14]
mike_c	3) she starts planning for 6 months	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you're not picking a girl then.	[17:14]
mike_c	4) party	[17:14]
mike_c	hm, that is a point	[17:15]
mike_c	who would want to marry a girl?	[17:15]
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mircea_popescu	ask around :D	[17:15]
mike_c	full-grown woman is enough to manage.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	why'd you marry a full grown woman ?	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	my brother got surprise-eloped last week	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	they ran out of friendship cards in your town ?	[17:16]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: tax benefits.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	trying to fix a problem with the town through marriage is not unlike trying to fix poor reception by holding the antenna in certain ways or a malfunctioning computer by running the tap nearby.	[17:18]
chetty	chetty: please let us know if you have any other candidates for republication// trilema is a gold mine	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	davout: was the new mpex key advertised anywhere ? << in faq and linked here.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard the SA reddit subsection thinks you suck nao.	[17:19]
davout	mircea_popescu: yea, saw the link here but i was missing the signature bit	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	it's signed itself (there's a link to the pgp sks infrastructure with my signature on it)	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	a nm jurov said so. sorry, im parsing the logs rather than compiling them.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how about this btw ? when confronted with the logs, i naturally settled on parsing rather than compiling. is this because im stupid or is this beause parsing is better ?	[17:20]
benkay	low investment upfront for middling-to-poor performance.	[17:21]
benkay	;)	[17:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you might have been thinking of 'interpret'	[17:22]
Pierre_Rochard	chetty: it is, I’ve been reading through as much as I can to see which articles are especially crypto/econ/bitcoin centered like GPG Contracts (and obvs to learn & think)	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	i go through it one ;line at a time and comment. sometimes this results in redundancy	[17:22]
asciilifeform	i suspect that most of us do this.	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	cuz we wish we were there	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	so we pretend	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	and no one minds	[17:24]
benkay	wait ethsuisse? waht is this?	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	its the dev team	[17:24]
asciilifeform	;;later tell moiety shame that modern pc includes no addressable stepper motor. but if you own, e.g. a scanner, you can still play this beautiful music...	[17:24]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:24]
kakobrekla	or a floppy	[17:25]
asciilifeform	;;later tell moiety a true maestro will play, say, j.s. bach, correctly! that is, gigantic lift motors for the low octaves, little floppy drive head drivers for the highest.	[17:26]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	so we pretend << srsly.	[17:26]
asciilifeform	;;later tell moiety further example, if you liked - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2UmkfixRH8	[17:27]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:27]
assbot	CNC machine playing tetris and still alive - YouTube	[17:27]
mthreat	asciilifeform: the first IBM PC had some kind of relay, you could access it with the BASIC instruction "MOTOR ON" or "MOTOR OFF". If you turned it on and off in a loop, it was a buzzer.	[17:27]
asciilifeform	mthreat: the floppy.	[17:27]
kakobrekla	is this thing on?	[17:27]
cazalla	pankkake, that address is what BingoBoingo gave me to send ATC	[17:28]
mthreat	asciilifeform: I don't remember, maybe, but it sounded like a relay...	[17:28]
benkay	hi kakobrekla	[17:28]
pankkake	well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p	[17:28]
kakobrekla	a ok works . hi benkay .	[17:28]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake: mainstream media prepping the general public for inflation << precisely.	[17:29]
mthreat	asciilifeform: cassette drive motor possibly	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	nothing lulzier than watching teh propaganda machine trying to spin utter failure into being chic, hip, and what these blasted youngsters want.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO	[17:30]
pankkake	unfortunately there's no easy way to remove an address from bitcoin-qt	[17:31]
pankkake	and armory has a "swipe" feature, too	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron appears to be parlaying it up << the sign of a smart girl. you only need give a little push.	[17:31]
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nubbins`	where i come from, you're not cool unless your money is worth less today than it was yesterday	[17:32]
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mthreat	nubbins`: that's a lot of places	[17:33]
mthreat	starbucks raised their prices in Buenos Aires again yesterday. Since December 2013, the coffee I get has gone from 30 to 44 pesos	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	mthreat why do you drink starbucks tho ?	[17:34]
fluffypony	Pheeva put a TV ad out, it's actually kinda decent:	[17:35]
*	fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW3fM95L7RU&feature=youtu.be	[17:35]
assbot	Pheeva - Plus - Gyft - Troll TV Ad - YouTube	[17:35]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: because i don't know good vs. bad coffee probably, and it's the 2nd closest after Cafe Martinez (probably worse)	[17:35]
princessnell	Pierre_Rochard maybe http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ and http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ for posterity http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/	[17:35]
assbot	A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:35]
assbot	The politics of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:35]
assbot	Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	mthreat i've never paid more than about 25 or so for coffee myself, and never had a bad cup yet.	[17:36]
princessnell	Pierre_Rochard rota case study (i <3 law and econ) http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ and http://trilema.com/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/ and http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/	[17:36]
assbot	The MPEx Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	had some pretty good, not much of a coffee drinker myself, but i mean... they prolly import their shit.	[17:36]
assbot	Case I - Wences vs MPEx, Breach of fiduciary duty pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:36]
assbot	ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:36]
cazalla	i wouldn't use pheeva on account the dev is fat albert	[17:36]
pankkake	http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/	[17:37]
assbot	The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:37]
pankkake	http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/	[17:37]
assbot	The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:37]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: I get the "venti" (20oz) size	[17:37]
princessnell	Pierre_Rochard also probably WoT lit http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/	[17:37]
assbot	Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it defends itself. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:37]
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Pierre_Rochard	princessnell: thanks! mircea_popescu: permission to republish? In general longer/older/timeless articles go to the literature section, shorter/newer/“current events” go to the Memory Pool.	[17:38]
nubbins`	mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks	[17:38]
nubbins`	you may be surprised to learn that coffee has a taste	[17:38]
cazalla	hipster baristas up in here	[17:39]
nubbins`	crikey mate, you have hipsters down under?	[17:39]
cazalla	i live in the capital of hipsters, feminists, greenies in australia :	[17:40]
nubbins`	knowing what i know about you, this must drive you to the brink of suicide each day	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	aite, gotta do some meetings nao. bbl all.	[17:41]
cazalla	nubbins`, i'll out and see them do it first	[17:42]
cazalla	hold out*	[17:42]
nubbins`	that's my boy	[17:43]
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kakobrekla	!up equex	[17:43]
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kakobrekla	GOOD MORNING EQUEX	[17:43]
nubbins`	"i live in a place with stylish young people, independent women, and those who care about our natural environment. it's a real drag."	[17:44]
cazalla	they are none of those things though	[17:44]
nubbins`	to you, sure	[17:44]
cazalla	if they cared about their environment, they'd at least grow veg and raise their own meat at bare minimum	[17:45]
nubbins`	just like you're not a reasonable adult worthy of dignity and respect... to them	[17:45]
nubbins`	:D	[17:45]
nubbins`	is that the bare minimum tho?	[17:45]
cazalla	if they were independent, they wouldn't need handouts while undertaking women's studies	[17:45]
nubbins`	raising your own meat?	[17:45]
cazalla	i think so	[17:45]
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cazalla	although if you asked any of them, they'd tell you i'm running rabbit auschwitz here	[17:46]
nubbins`	you know raising meat animals in the first place isn't particularly great for the environment	[17:46]
nubbins`	hm, china received $34m in foreign aid from canada in 2012	[17:47]
nubbins`	http://cidpnsi.ca/blog/portfolio/canadas-foreign-aid/	[17:48]
assbot	Canada's Foreign Aid spending around the world \| CIDP \| Canadian International Development Platform	[17:48]
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rithm	SFW noob video: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=95714897	[17:49]
assbot	401 Authorization Required	[17:49]
pankkake	$56M to Russia	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	NSFW you meant	[17:50]
cazalla	depends where you work eh	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	well they didnt invent NSFW for sex workers	[17:50]
mthreat	!b 3	[17:51]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XHYV25.txt )	[17:51]
nubbins`	$65m to gaza & west bank	[17:52]
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cazalla	china and russia given aid, shows how little i know	[17:54]
mike_c	"So more economic growth (spurred on by more borrowing and spending) would help alleviate low wage growth" .. and i'm done.	[17:55]
penguirker	New blog post: http://fr.anco.is/2014/07/23/x-eur-july-23rd-2014-statement/	[17:56]
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rithm	seemed safe to me	[18:04]
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chetty	http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118747/ivy-league-schools-are-overrated-send-your-kids-elsewhere	[18:07]
assbot	Ivy League Schools Are Overrated. Send Your Kids Elsewhere. \| New Republic	[18:08]
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ThickAsThieves	"Before he started college, he spent most of his time reading and writing short stories. Three years later, he’s painfully insecure, worrying about things my public-educated friends don’t give a second thought to, like the stigma of eating lunch alone and whether he’s “networking” enough. "	[18:09]
pankkake	“Return on investment”: that’s the phrase you often hear today when people talk about college.	[18:11]
pankkake	college graduates are bagholders	[18:11]
benkay	benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.// yeah you get adults // team effort, anyone?	[18:13]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/	[18:14]
nubbins`	the stigma of eating lunch alone	[18:14]
nubbins`	i tell ya, worlds you didn't know existed	[18:14]
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benkay	well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO // yeah, i'm also curious as to what's going on here	[18:15]
benkay	morning, bitcoinpete	[18:15]
bitcoinpete	howdy benkay	[18:15]
benkay	how was pottery?	[18:15]
pankkake	I gave the private key to MP at a time I wasn't sure I could even transfer the coins in a timely manner	[18:15]
pankkake	so the private key is now known to multiple people	[18:16]
pankkake	and in multiple bitcoin clients	[18:16]
bitcoinpete	benkay: my hands are still stained from the autumn leaves glaze	[18:16]
pankkake	(well, altcoin)	[18:16]
benkay	gotcha.	[18:17]
benkay	this rescanning the blockchain thing is a total bitch, isn't it?	[18:17]
bitcoinpete	benkay: but for it being my first time on the wheel in a close to 15 years, quite well :D	[18:17]
benkay	what, after all, is the point of a "database" if one's not going to actually organize data in a useful fashion within?	[18:18]
benkay	unfortunately there's no easy way to remove an address from bitcoin-qt // delete from wallet.dat? or is that not actually a text file?	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoinpete, unless i need more coffee, mp isnt allowing people to short ETH, he's allowing them to long it	[18:19]
pankkake	it's a Berkeley DB file	[18:19]
pankkake	there are tools to edit it, though	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	they get more ETH for their money now	[18:19]
benkay	what an unmitigated goddamned disaster.	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	but MP doesnt buy it til later	[18:20]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: they get more later	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	some would have to lend ETH to short it	[18:20]
bitcoinpete	mp is selling eth	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	who's lending?	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	ETH	[18:20]
bitcoinpete	not me ;)	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:20]
benkay	Pierre_Rochard also probably WoT lit // woterotica	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	so no way to short it	[18:21]
benkay	'cept the classic popescuian naked short	[18:21]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2014#764462	[18:21]
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bitcoinpete	benkay: lol	[18:22]
bitcoinpete	pretty sure he has his ways	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	^o^	[18:22]
benkay	70% odds it's a naked short.	[18:22]
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ThickAsThieves	i still dont see how I get to short ETH by entering MP's future offer	[18:23]
benkay	mp's going short, and offering to sell the thing to anyone at a future date below what it's selling for now.	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	right	[18:23]
benkay	if mp's going short, how can you go short by taking the other side of his trade?	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	this is my point	[18:24]
benkay	who's claiming that he's offering a vehicle for others to short?	[18:24]
pankkake	I think that's incorrect too. it allows you to get a better price if you're long, or MAYBE short it as long as you think it's won't go as low as 2.5x less	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoinpete says "Effectively, MP is allowing you to “short” ETH."	[18:24]
bitcoinpete	lol to the correction car!	[18:25]
benkay	oh, bitcoinpete does derivatives now?	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	just making sure we stay on-message!	[18:25]
pankkake	wait, why the fuck are they callimg themselves ETH Suisse? I just remembered: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_polytechnique_f%C3%A9d%C3%A9rale_de_Zurich	[18:25]
assbot	cole polytechnique fdrale de Zurich Wikipdia	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	solidarity!	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	for the motherland!	[18:25]
benkay	pankkake: "credit suisse" perhaps?	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	or, i think bitcoinpete is cool so i dont want to see him have errors in his shit	[18:26]
benkay	-assets proofreading is best proofreading.	[18:26]
benkay	i am deploy from car	[18:27]
bitcoinpete	s/short/long	[18:27]
benkay	devops borat would approve	[18:27]
bitcoinpete	if that vernacular works...	[18:27]
benkay	it's almost like you use a real text editor too, bitcoinpete!	[18:27]
bitcoinpete	"to short" sounds so much better than "to long"	[18:27]
benkay	;)	[18:28]
bitcoinpete	;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 drinks coffee, knows derivativespeak	[18:28]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.	[18:28]
benkay	to go long	[18:29]
benkay	to take a long position	[18:29]
benkay	(in)	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	i'd say you could almost short it if you bought real ETH, sold off-market for slight discount, then repurchased from MP, but you'd still be betting only on the availble spread, if price dropped below MP's offer, your short would be fukt ... even then they tell you cant do anyhting with the ETH til genblock is made... soooo	[18:29]
bitcoinpete	to golong	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	he's basiclaly selling ETH at a discount	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	cheapcoinz!	[18:29]
bitcoinpete	right!	[18:29]
benkay	;;ticker	[18:29]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 621.01, Best ask: 622.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.86000, Last trade: 622.87, 24 hour volume: 2729.87411553, 24 hour low: 618.0, 24 hour high: 624.99, 24 hour vwap: 621.168150006	[18:29]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: scammor	[18:30]
bitcoinpete	the smart kids will be all over mp's offer	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	haha	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	soon	[18:30]
benkay	what's smart about buying ether?	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	nothing	[18:30]
benkay	wine with shit in it is still just shitty wine	[18:30]
pankkake	price is tempting regardless	[18:30]
bitcoinpete	benkay: beats me, ask the kids buying the shit	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	you could argue that the noob hypewagen is strong enough to carry ETH value above MP's offer	[18:31]
mike_c	but shitty wine at half price!	[18:31]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: entirely possible	[18:31]
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benkay	i guess a hedge against ether going somewhere isn't such a bad idea, but it totally fails the good investments criteria.	[18:32]
benkay	starting with not actually existing.	[18:32]
benkay	it's just the whole "i missed btc, maybe this will make me rich" self delusion alllllllll over again.	[18:32]
ThickAsThieves	i think the best part about the offer is it's potential to disrupt the live offering	[18:32]
pankkake	if you look at similar coins, like nxt and ripple, they're still valued quite high	[18:33]
benkay	vb & co. imagine they're actually doing something, but they're just draining the wallets of latecomers	[18:33]
ThickAsThieves	i'd love for people to be buying from MP instead of the actual people	[18:33]
princessnell	i love that it reveals the exhuberance	[18:33]
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pankkake	!up stormlight	[18:34]
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benkay	"quite high" sure, but are they going to go from .01 US per to 10k per?	[18:34]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: they still need the patience tho	[18:34]
bitcoinpete	8 months is 8 years for "i wanna rich nao" ppl	[18:34]
pankkake	benkay: not my point, my point is about taking MP's offer	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	and it's an audience that hates mp, soooo, fat chance	[18:34]
asciilifeform	is everyone familiar with the proverbial 'money trap' ?	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	maybe he can buy their love	[18:34]
bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: do tell	[18:34]
asciilifeform	container with, say, banana, and a hole big enough for the beast's hand, but not if it holds the bait	[18:35]
ThickAsThieves	isnt that a Tom hanks movie?	[18:35]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: maybe if they were camgirls	[18:35]
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Pierre_Rochard	;;rate bitcoinpete 2 Amoraim of b-a	[18:35]
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bitcoinpete	hand in a cookie jar thing	[18:35]
benkay	pankkake: yeah, i know what you're saying. this discussion hearkens back to a thing a wise old man harps on about how if you can have the patience to see past the next 6 months to two years you can make trades the rest of the market won't consider because they want 17%/annum now	[18:35]
ThickAsThieves	Sexy Saffron better not tell reddit she's an mp employee	[18:35]
asciilifeform	monkey reaches in, grasps banana, refuses to let go, sits there. until hunter shows up.	[18:35]
bitcoinpete	Pierre_Rochard: why ty	[18:35]
asciilifeform	this is quite analogous to the altchain folks	[18:35]
bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: also how herschel tricked one of the channukah goblins. eggs in the jar iirc	[18:36]
benkay	bitcoinpete: yup.	[18:36]
pigeons	hey mircea_popescu I havent followed, but i saw you are selling eth foward contract or similar. I wanted to suggest putting something similar on mpex, i think that would do well	[18:36]
asciilifeform	if any of them took the trouble to write something interesting (e.g. system analogous to the original btc but of proper, rather than 'power ranger' quality) and resisted the temptation of premine shenanigans, etc. - but no.	[18:37]
asciilifeform	can't let go of banana.	[18:37]
benkay	asciilifeform: even if they could reimplement the thing from scratch, it still wouldn't touch btc proper.	[18:37]
benkay	and they can't "let go of banana" and write a real wallet, adding value to the ecosystem.	[18:38]
pigeons	oh dont tell me mpex is still down from weeks ago?	[18:38]
kakobrekla	power ranger has infinite hitpoints.	[18:38]
benkay	mpex.ws, pigeons	[18:38]
pigeons	thanks	[18:38]
benkay	.co works as well for me iirc	[18:38]
pigeons	go isnt working at the moment from my location at least	[18:39]
pigeons	co	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	mpex.wallstreet	[18:41]
bitcoinpete	Nassim N. Taleb @nntaleb · 38m Up to 19thC, people in the Levant changed religion to stay in the land. Today they change land to keep religion. (Druzes⇒Maronites⇔Shiites) << sounds downright civilized	[18:41]
asciilifeform	benkay: point is not that a hypothetical altchain created by thinking people would displace traditional btc, but that it is theoretically possible to build something that's at least worth thinking about.	[18:43]
bitcoinpete	asciilifeform: but that'll never get teh community on board. teh views!	[18:44]
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asciilifeform	no shortage of possible experiments to choose from (e.g. Lamportian 67% theoretical maximum threshold (see 'byzantine generals') instead of 51; programmable work functions; a hundred other things)	[18:45]
asciilifeform	!s turingcoin	[18:46]
assbot	2 results for 'turingcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=turingcoin	[18:46]
asciilifeform	!s slavecoin	[18:46]
assbot	22 results for 'slavecoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=slavecoin	[18:46]
pankkake	!s coincoin	[18:46]
assbot	1 results for 'coincoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coincoin	[18:46]
asciilifeform	but no. somehow altchain folks can only think of duplicating spam stock business model.	[18:47]
benkay	actual programmers being few and far between.	[18:47]
chetty	http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/22/Islamic-State-Says-Mannequins-in-Maul-Must-Wear-Veils	[18:47]
assbot	Islamic State Says Mannequins Must Wear Veils	[18:47]
benkay	maul?	[18:50]
bitcoinpete	http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.ca/2014/07/what-textbooks-dont-tell-you-one-of.html	[18:51]
assbot	BPS Research Digest: What the textbooks don't tell you - one of psychology's most famous experiments was seriously flawed	[18:51]
benkay	actual programmers being few and far between. // not to imply anything about myself, ofc just a derpy webapp guy	[18:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.0142 = 0.8094 BTC [+]	[18:56]
chetty	http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.ca/2014/04/a-self-fulfilling-fallacy.html#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=53cfda39a97adc45&at_ab=per-3&at_pos=0&at_tot=1	[18:57]
assbot	BPS Research Digest: A self-fulfilling fallacy?	[18:57]
bitcoinpete	;;nethash	[18:59]
gribble	129685563.491	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81503056 BTC to 12`514 shares, 14504 satoshi per share	[18:59]
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bitcoinpete	"SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks: Plan Would Allow Money Funds to Temporarily Block Investors from Withdrawing Money in Times of Stress"	[19:01]
assbot	trixisowned +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[19:01]
benkay	hohoho yes link please, bitcoinpete	[19:01]
bitcoinpete	http://online.wsj.com/articles/sec-to-vote-on-final-money-market-mutual-fund-rules-1406124323	[19:01]
assbot	SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks - WSJ	[19:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 23.66675304 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2058 satoshi per share	[19:01]
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kakobrekla	!up trixisowned	[19:02]
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trixisowned	neh	[19:02]
trixisowned	just wanted to lol @ https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 together	[19:03]
assbot	Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2	[19:03]
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bitcoinpete	trixisowned: myeah. almost passed mastercoin exodus thing of 4740.6200979 BTC	[19:05]
benkay	so. sad.	[19:05]
danielpbarron	https://blockchain.info/address/1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr	[19:06]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr	[19:06]
danielpbarron	2`130.83749757 BTC burned	[19:06]
benkay	"The vote ends more than five years of struggle over how to address structural vulnerabilities in the funds that encourage investors to bolt at the first sign of trouble." LTCM anyone?	[19:08]
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ThickAsThieves	SEC Seeks To Install Ponzi Throttle	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	"Financial Stability Oversight Council, have said such redemption restrictions could spur, rather than curb, investor stampedes." indeed	[19:14]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/alc0nzy/media/IPD_VOLVO_C30_NOS_TANKS.jpg.html	[19:15]
assbot	IPD_VOLVO_C30_NOS_TANKS.jpg Photo by alc0nzy \| Photobucket	[19:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.1411 = 1.2699 BTC [-]	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	"Under the plan, fund boards would have the discretion to impose redemption fees of up to 2%, or to temporarily halt redemptions altogether, if their weekly pool of cash or cash like assets drops below the agency's required ratio of 30%"	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	your investments, now 70% off!	[19:17]
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ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats	[19:19]
gribble	Current Blocks: 312136 \| Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 \| Next Difficulty In: 343 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 17 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 18789848431.7 \| Estimated Percent Change: 8.38432	[19:19]
mike_c	is mpex.co going to get fixed ever? or is it just dead.	[19:21]
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ThickAsThieves	it's mpex.ws now	[19:22]
ThickAsThieves	and some other one	[19:22]
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mike_c	ok. so .co isn't coming back	[19:22]
ThickAsThieves	that i dont know	[19:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.01425 = 0.6983 BTC [-]	[19:25]
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bitcoinpete	benkay: mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. // hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? << i think only bc is socialist enough to do this	[19:32]
bitcoinpete	bc wants to be like california and shit	[19:32]
bitcoinpete	with their own little movie industry and everything	[19:33]
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bitcoinpete	time to catch up on weird al...	[19:34]
lobbes	the problem I have with weird al nowadays is that I don't even know the songs he is parodying anymore	[19:36]
bitcoinpete	lobbes: sounds more like your problem than his ;)	[19:38]
bitcoinpete	http://vevo.ly/yRwiKB << nice little stab at dogederps	[19:38]
nubbins`	how's it compare to rates in the rest of canada?	[19:39]
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bitcoinpete	nubbins`: not too sure	[19:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 407 @ 0.00277422 = 1.1291 BTC [+] {7}	[19:46]
danielpbarron	bitcoinpete, hahah same here	[19:47]
danielpbarron	weird al was the first artist I ever bought a cd for; I heard his parodies before the originals	[19:47]
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danielpbarron	so i guess.. not same here.... heh	[19:48]
danielpbarron	oh, lobbes said that; whoops	[19:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 341 @ 0.00284852 = 0.9713 BTC [+] {6}	[19:54]
pankkake	$proxies	[19:54]
empyex	pankkake: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1060 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91	[19:54]
benkay	$mpexlag	[19:55]
empyex	benkay: 561 milliseconds	[19:55]
pankkake	!search goxlag	[19:56]
assbot	138 results for 'goxlag' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=goxlag	[19:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 527 @ 0.00285959 = 1.507 BTC [-] {4}	[20:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.0028841 = 0.721 BTC [+] {6}	[20:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.140384 = 7.0192 BTC [-] {2}	[20:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1403 = 0.8418 BTC [-]	[20:19]
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benkay	http://opennamesystem.org/	[20:21]
assbot	Open Name System	[20:21]
danielpbarron	neato; is this a Namecoin killer?	[20:22]
benkay	can't say yet need moar read	[20:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.13374999 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2}	[20:24]
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bitcoinpete	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hello/sense-know-more-sleep-better	[20:26]
assbot	Sense: Know More. Sleep Better. by Hello — Kickstarter	[20:26]
bitcoinpete	"The app tells you how well you slept, or didn't, by giving you a unique Sleep Score each night. You can begin to correlate interruptions in your sleep to external conditions and disturbances. You can play back key sound disturbances via the app to say “Ah, the garbage truck broke my sleep cycle at 3am. I didn’t even realize that.”	[20:27]
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bitcoinpete	$99 and it's yours. delivery estimated in november 2014	[20:28]
asciilifeform	bitcoinpete: already done, ages ago, by various vendors ('zeo' - now defunct - had a fairly good machine.)	[20:28]
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bitcoinpete	nao with apps!	[20:29]
bitcoinpete	http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicetruong/2012/02/24/battle-of-the-zzzs-how-zeos-sleep-monitors-stack-up/	[20:30]
assbot	Battle of the Zzzs: How Zeo's Sleep Monitors Stack Up - Forbes	[20:30]
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asciilifeform	the funny part is that wearing the electrodes utterly destroyed my sleep quality. and, on the other hand, the variants without electrodes ('actigraph' gadgets) are junk - they can only distinguish 'REM' from other phases of sleep, but nothing more.	[20:33]
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danielpbarron	bitcoinpete, i already have a free app that does that sort of thing.. ended up deleting it because too many apps	[20:37]
bitcoinpete	ya i once used one too	[20:38]
danielpbarron	it figures it out based on your movements as you sleep	[20:38]
bitcoinpete	but it only worked on my old spring mattress	[20:38]
bitcoinpete	foam soaks up all the vibrations	[20:38]
danielpbarron	i used it with success on a sofa	[20:38]
bitcoinpete	and by vibrations i mean tossing and turning	[20:39]
bitcoinpete	danielpbarron: ya i could see that	[20:39]
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asciilifeform	reminds me of a legend (forgot where i heard it, perhaps even here.)	[20:43]
asciilifeform	one fellow, (said to have lived in romania) built piezos into his bed legs	[20:43]
asciilifeform	and logged pressure	[20:43]
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asciilifeform	one day he went on a long journey, and when came back, discovered that max(weight) > him + wife.	[20:44]
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asciilifeform	whether he stayed awake in school math and had the sense to look at the actual waveform (perhaps wife was fond of jumping on the bed?) before divorcing, i do not know.	[20:46]
bitcoinpete	lol	[20:47]
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bitcoinpete	sorta like othello with the handkerchief	[20:48]
bitcoinpete	she had to be cheatin!	[20:48]
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bitcoinpete	"But for those who missed out on getting in on Bitcoin early, Ethereum's launch represents something of another chance."	[20:54]
bitcoinpete	http://www.businessinsider.com/ethereum-launches-ether-2014-7 << says it all	[20:54]
assbot	Ethereum Launches Ether - Business Insider	[20:54]
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benkay	I WAS JUST SAYING THIS	[20:54]
pankkake	and I said it before you all, about all altcoins :)	[20:55]
benkay	cept i guess "there will never be another {silicon,internet,bitcoin}" doesn't push views	[20:57]
bitcoinpete	and it's only fair if everyone gets rich!	[20:57]
mike_c	we are all above average drivers.	[20:58]
bitcoinpete	with above average cocks	[20:58]
mike_c	except the irish	[20:58]
bitcoinpete	pretty sure the irish have below average everything	[20:58]
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bitcoinpete	but what do i know	[20:59]
bitcoinpete	well i know that this is hirarious: "Big Trend Capital Investment (HASH): We are engaged as a distributor of mining products and a novel mining service. We primarily service retail customers through storefronts such as Amazon, EBay, and our own eStore at BuyAHash.com."	[20:59]
bitcoinpete	https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=HASH	[20:59]
pankkake	never another silicon?	[20:59]
assbot	Havelock Investments	[20:59]
bitcoinpete	dat ipo	[21:00]
bitcoinpete	and i'm off. later!	[21:00]
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pankkake	but indeed, there will never be another internet. especially with ipv6	[21:01]
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benkay	i mean the kind of sociocultural upheaval that accompanied silicon and then the internet, and will eventually fall out of bitcoin, pankkake	[21:04]
benkay	centralization of markets resulting in companies like ebay	[21:04]
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benkay	danielpbarron: the little reading i've done suggests that it's not a namecoin killer, as that'd require...studying existing solutions and then doing it better. i've yet to find much support fot eh notion that the folks involved have done any research at all yet.	[21:07]
benkay	"As of yet, no work has been done on adding support for blockchain domains to ONS and the ONS command line tools."	[21:07]
pankkake	ugh, it's onename.io	[21:11]
pankkake	they just do the same, but less, and worse	[21:11]
thestringpuller	naemcoin is kinda cool tho	[21:11]
pankkake	and they're really misleading users	[21:11]
thestringpuller	OneName.io = facebook with gpg	[21:12]
thestringpuller	didn't this already go down with keybase.io ?	[21:12]
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benkay	keybase wanted your 'encrypted' private keys.	[21:20]
asciilifeform	self-service gasenwagen. wave of the future. amazing! technology.	[21:20]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:20]
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benkay	man the derp brigade is out in force today	[21:38]
benkay	https://www.provetrust.com/	[21:38]
assbot	ProveTrust	[21:38]
benkay	"play good with others" lost art of grammar	[21:39]
pankkake	because no one can fake a facebook account	[21:40]
benkay	quite the deep learners	[21:40]
pankkake	and confusing trust (what businesses want) and identity verification (what the tax man wants)	[21:41]
pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/greatapes omg, sometimes reddit delivers	[21:42]
assbot	reddit.com: over 18?	[21:42]
benkay	countdown to sub termination: 10...	[21:43]
pankkake	https://i.imgur.com/bVojk6K.jpg	[21:44]
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asciilifeform	benkay: sham-wots are as inevitable as shamchains.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	they taste great together. like der fuhrer's walther and cyanide capsule.	[21:45]
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thestringpuller	benkay: i like how many companies are appearing that can just be subverted with the WoT.	[22:29]
benkay	i don't. it's a phenomenal waste of human capital.	[22:30]
thestringpuller	just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards.	[22:32]
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midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: I found that labour-intensive salt cooking reference I mentioned the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHNa9qdtlw#t=1096	[22:37]
assbot	A bite of China English subtitles EP1 The Gift of the Nature - YouTube	[22:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9407 @ 0.00005999 = 0.5643 BTC [+] {2}	[22:42]
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benkay	just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards. // biodiesel	[22:48]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu could be the largest æthereum holder with ease, yo - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563925.msg7991275#msg7991275	[22:58]
assbot	[RFC] thereum: a turing-complete coin distributed as per bitcoin's blockchain	[22:58]
thestringpuller	so Ethereum tx script's are turing complete?	[23:00]
thestringpuller	that sounds slightly dangerous on some levels...	[23:00]
fluffypony	yes - this is æthereum tho	[23:01]
thestringpuller	~_~ @_@ <.<;; I don't know and have no opinion.	[23:01]
fluffypony	which, from what I understand, is a fork that lets you just pick up the æthereum equivalent of your BTC balance	[23:01]
thestringpuller	except that Taaki is not a "bitcoin legend" >:(	[23:01]
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fluffypony	needs moar hero worships	[23:01]
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mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard:mircea_popescu: permission to republish? << well, no. an article is one thing, but wholesale copying of trilema serves little purpose. put up an adnotated article list if you want, that seems to serve your purpose better, or if not do commentary on the individual articles	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks << talking to ex-us-mil guy, "i'll tell you what starbucks is. back in the force, they'd make these largish tanks of coffee at the crack of down, keep them on reheat, throw them out at night. starbucks is pretty much like a drink out of that tank right before it getting thrown out. which is why they put all the cream and crap into it : gotta try and mas	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	k the badly burnt coffee"	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`:"i live in a place with stylish young people, independent women, and those who care about our natural environment. it's a real drag." << i can see it.	[23:42]
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chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/argentina-debt-mediation-goes-surreal-neither-side-turns-meeting-black-market-peso-t	[23:45]
Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: understood, we’ll go the annotated article list route	[23:45]
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mircea_popescu	chetty for the record, the peso was trading 12.2 - 12.7 yesterday	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	so their graphs are the usual crap.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	also it never touched 12.x in march, talking out of ass these ppls.	[23:48]
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chetty	yeah well people talk street price kinda need a street :P	[23:48]
mthreat	chetty, mircea_popescu I got 12.2 pesos per USD 2 hours ago	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	mthreat exactly.	[23:50]
mthreat	to pay for bad coffee	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	mthreat actually i see it's 12.3x atm.	[23:51]
chetty	mthreat, seriously stay out of chatbucks, will rot your gut	[23:51]
mthreat	ya, i usually get under the top "blue rate", but my cueva hasn't given me fake money	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: and in multiple bitcoin clients << i never bothered to get a client myself so there's that.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	mthreat i've not yet had a fake bill either.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	in about... i dunno, a bagful or so.	[23:52]
mthreat	mircea_popescu maybe the cost of production is > than the value heh	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	money here's a real joke, largest bill ~$8	[23:52]
chetty	I am thinking fake bills are a myth	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	mthreat they're printing like crazy for sure, tho. usually i get ~40% new bills, but the last few buys i got 80-100% new bills.	[23:52]
mthreat	sounds like the US :)	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	chetty just, cheaper for the govt to print em than for the independent crooks	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	so they drive them out of biz.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	benkay: or is that not actually a text file? << hasn't been a texrfile for all of two years.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves:	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	so no way to short it << im shorting it.	[23:55]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/492027099499462657	[23:55]
BingoBoingo	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=618163698&oldid=617800185	[23:55]
assbot	Reptilians: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	it does allow you to go into a technical short, by buying the future and selling your spot, if you hold any.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	but this is a point of finesse	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	(basically it ensures that no institutionals will be holding eth today for the purpose of satysfying a mid or long term goal, is all)	[23:57]
BingoBoingo	%t	[23:57]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 239 Last Price: 239 24h-Vol: 114k High: 239 Low: 210 VWAP: 222	[23:57]
chetty	http://uncoverobamacare.com/undercover-federal-agents-find-it-incredibly-easy-to-defraud-obamacare/	[23:57]
assbot	Uncover Obamacare \| 11 of 12 Undercover Federal Agents Find It Incredibly Easy to Defraud ObamaCare	[23:57]
BingoBoingo	%ob	[23:57]
atcbot	18k@242 47k@240 2k@239 \| 140k@210 200k@202 45k@201	[23:57]
BingoBoingo	http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/blog/morning-edition/2014/07/5-reasons-the-bitcoin-bowl-is-good-for-tampa-bays.html	[23:58]
assbot	5 reasons the Bitcoin Bowl is good for Tampa Bay's tech scene - Tampa Bay Business Journal	[23:58]
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BingoBoingo	^ Note BitPay isn't in Tampa Bay	[23:59]

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