Forum logs for 23 Jul 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
thickasthieves "The federal judge that presided over my case is not an African-American. She is a nigger." [00:00]
thickasthieves "Dude, they called you elfin, when you are very clearly a satyr." lol [00:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00081327 = 5.7742 BTC [-] [00:04]
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thickasthieves [00:14]
assbot Debunking Kipochi, Mpesa & Bitcoin in East Africa - CoinBrief [00:14]
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fluffypony hah hah [00:17]
fluffypony fucking idiots [00:17]
thickasthieves <+mike_c> and seattle just drizzles at you every day of the year. /// so i will fly there and settle this once and for all! [00:17]
mike_c now is actually the time to go. it actually only rains nine months a year. summers are beautiful. [00:18]
thickasthieves well shit itll be a month before i go, but i want teh rainz [00:20]
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thickasthieves my wife wants to look at trees n stuff though, so i guess good weather is for the best [00:21]
mike_c well, the only rainforest in america is right there, so you could both have your wish [00:22]
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thickasthieves good log? [00:36]
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assbot The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Hate Frameworks [00:38]
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danielpbarron thickasthieves, meh sorta; I linked to the log in my rating for him [00:46]
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jurov danielpbarron: owner of mpex is unsafe to do business with, he does things like put surprising terms in the fine print of his contracts and then gloats about how you deserved to get ripped off and what a moron you are when you get caught out. [00:52]
jurov last sentence before kick [00:52]
mike_c hm. "suprising" to whom? [00:53]
BingoBoingo Mircea generally writes on the interwebs so you can always zoom his text to any size you like [00:55]
danielpbarron good thing the devs have their chat rooms to lord over; they don't really control much of anything else [00:55]
BingoBoingo ;;rate danielpbarron Religious thinker, Meat dealer [00:55]
gribble Error: 'Religious' is not a valid integer. [00:55]
BingoBoingo ;;rate danielpbarron 3 Religious thinker, Meat dealer [00:56]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 2 to 3. [00:56]
danielpbarron wow a 3; i feel special now [00:56]
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BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well, you rate people well and did indeed deliver ~20 million meat [00:58]
danielpbarron the -otc crowd says I don't know how to rate [00:58]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well, that's why the most important part of reading a WoT is asking a rater about their ratings [01:00]
BingoBoingo Bitcore, BitPay’s open-source javascript bitcoin library, now uses Fedor Indutny‘s highly optimized cryptography in the browser, which leads to significant speed improvements and an improved user experience for applications built with Bitcore. << Shit's prolly being optimized out [01:01]
BingoBoingo [01:01]
assbot Bitcore 3000 is Three Times Faster for Bitcoin on the Web | The BitPay Blog [01:01]
jurov lose yer coins 3x faster!!! [01:01]
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mircea_popescu 12 inches is a foot? 3' a yard? wtf is going on here? [01:07]
mircea_popescu ^ my fav exercise is, "calculate the pound weight of a cubic mile of water" [01:08]
mircea_popescu (a cubic km of water weighs 1trn kgs, of course) [01:08]
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mircea_popescu << ya but will it be legal. [01:12]
assbot Well find a new earth within 20 years | Around the World with Ken Ham [01:12]
danielpbarron ken ham is a false teacher that leads many to hell [01:13]
mircea_popescu A Black Hat spokeswoman told Reuters that the talk had been canceled at the request of lawyers for Carnegie-Mellon University, where the speakers work as researchers. <<< this is why scientists of today are in no sense the scientists of 1914, and even less the scientists of 1814. [01:14]
mircea_popescu the notion that the current crop has any sort of moral or ethical weight is quite perilous. [01:15]
mircea_popescu << whoa that shit's cool! [01:16]
thickasthieves must be some kinda camera mount [01:20]
mircea_popescu ;;rated gmaxwell [01:22]
gribble You rated user gmaxwell on Sun Apr 8 12:54:19 2012, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: hypocritical idiot.. [01:22]
mircea_popescu wow, i was right two years ago. [01:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, what specific gloating is this in reference to ? [01:23]
mircea_popescu tell wikipedia boi i said citation needed. [01:23]
mircea_popescu i gloat over fat fucks being predictably stupid, not over the deck being stacked against them. [01:23]
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thickasthieves "Another benefit to Tacocoin is its active community. Tacocoin was started on reddit, with the sole intent of having fun. The coin has no premine, and steady growth, because our community values trust and fun, not getting rich quick." [01:26]
mircea_popescu >< [01:27]
mircea_popescu if it were about eating cunt i could see the angle. [01:27]
fluffypony [01:27]
assbot Britain just decriminalised online game piracy | VG247 [01:27]
mircea_popescu but this entire "doge got killed for beign stupid so we're going to do it once again because we really are that dumb" thing... [01:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well in that article space isn't important, because aliens go to hell [01:28]
mircea_popescu "Starting in 2015, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken." doh. [01:28]
thickasthieves alrighty [01:29]
thickasthieves do they even go after people in US anymore? [01:29]
thickasthieves there was that 5 strikes thing or whatever but i never heard of anyone losing their web access [01:30]
mircea_popescu bout the same yeah. [01:30]
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thickasthieves "I am a fan of making volume obsolete as an indicator" ~bitcoin trader [01:30]
mircea_popescu << as usual, joel gets it exactly right. this is why i hate - not frameworks - but java. and all the other hipster languages ran by children with delusions of skills and importance they don't actually have. [01:31]
assbot The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Hate Frameworks [01:31]
mircea_popescu wikipedia being a fine example. [01:31]
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asciilifeform camera mount with beer glass << if you stayed awake in 'intro to differential equations,' -- you can build this. [01:38]
mircea_popescu the visual effect tho. [01:39]
asciilifeform carnegie mellon << 'Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfecti [01:40]
asciilifeform on and painted with meticulous care.' (mr mold) [01:40]
BingoBoingo Lol ethereum is selling their own altcoin nao, [01:40]
assbot ethereum [01:40]
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BingoBoingo "People interested in acquiring ether to build and distribute decentralized applications, or to pay for their usage, are able to do so in the Genesis Sale using bitcoin, thereby locking-in their supply at a known price. This sale will help us fund the continued development of the software platform, scheduled for release in the winter of 2014/2015." << Preorder on a BFL window. Thing could waterialize winter 2014 or winter 2015 [01:44]
thickasthieves like anyone will give a shit by then [01:45]
Pierre_Rochard BingoBoingo: my favorite part “This document is not a solicitation for investment and does not pertain in any way to an offering of securities in any jurisdiction.” [01:45]
thickasthieves because we say so! [01:45]
Pierre_Rochard wonder if they’ll respond like mircea_popescu did when the SEC comes knocking… [01:45]
BingoBoingo Pierre_Rochard: Even though by simply the way things are they seems to like BFL be actually selling equity rather than product. [01:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hardly an argument pro carnegie melon, that. [01:46]
mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard too many people want to appear mp without putting in the work to actually be mp, nor fronting the risk etc. [01:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not an argument 'pro', merely statement of fact. accept funding from bureaucrats - then eat shit when they command. elementary. [01:47]
thickasthieves who actually wants these smart contracts anyway? i dont get who ethereum is providing for [01:47]
mircea_popescu how about not accept funding for bureaucrats because there's no funds in bureaucrat hands ? [01:47]
mircea_popescu then we can do science. and actual art. [01:48]
mircea_popescu and all the social media feminists can spend their time writing things on tits. [01:48]
BingoBoingo If ethereum manages to ship this winter I doubt it's market cap will survive at a size greater than ATC's through April next year [01:48]
mircea_popescu if anyone wants to enter an etereum short lemme know. [01:48]
thickasthieves you're betting on ethereum?! [01:49]
mircea_popescu you can buy ethereum coins for half what they charge, deliverable jan 15th 2015. [01:49]
thickasthieves heh [01:49]
mircea_popescu i guess i can make a 3 month future too, if enough demand. [01:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well atm during their pre-sale they price their coins off of a timer, with 1 BTC buying less coins as the timer increments. Haven't seen the details. [01:50]
thickasthieves itd at least be a fun way to piss them off and fuck up their ipo a bit [01:50]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves sure. [01:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo fuck them, whatever they ask for is too much. [01:51]
thickasthieves lol why does their home page give away desktop backgrounds? wtf [01:51]
thickasthieves "Turing complete contracts on a blockchain." [01:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course. K sale ends in roughly 41-42 days, in just under two weeks their offering goes from 2000 per BTC to 1970 per BTC (fucking hippies) [01:52]
mircea_popescu you don't understand traffix, thickasthieves [01:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo where is this advertised ? [01:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Their home page. [01:53]
mircea_popescu how did this work again lessee [01:53]
thickasthieves "Ethereum Genesis Sale" they call it [01:53]
thickasthieves awesome [01:53]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" for 1 BTC. [01:53]
gribble Error: 'for' is not a valid price input. [01:53]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" 1 BTC. [01:53]
gribble Order id 21133 created. [01:53]
BingoBoingo Whole site is a js turd [01:53]
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mircea_popescu ;;view 21133 [01:53]
thickasthieves wow [01:53]
gribble #21133 Tue Jul 22 18:53:45 2014 mircea_popescu SELL 5000.0 ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014 @ 1 BTC. (None) [01:54]
thickasthieves my soul hurts now [01:54]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014" 1 BTC "Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch." [01:54]
gribble Order id 21134 created. [01:54]
mircea_popescu ;;view 21134 [01:54]
gribble #21134 Tue Jul 22 18:54:18 2014 mircea_popescu SELL 5000.0 ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2014 @ 1 BTC (Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch.) [01:54]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo or whoever has a reddit acct : put that loglink in ? [01:54]
mircea_popescu aw shit bad date. [01:54]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 5000 "ethereum coins deliverable March 15th, 2015" 1 BTC "Up to 1k BTC's worth accepted. Get in touch." [01:54]
gribble Order id 21135 created. [01:54]
mircea_popescu that one. [01:55]
BingoBoingo K, In the better purchases department [01:55]
assbot Sexy Saffron's Clips [01:55]
mircea_popescu ;;remove 21134 [01:55]
gribble Order 21134 removed. [01:55]
mircea_popescu ;;remove 21133 [01:55]
gribble Order 21133 removed. [01:55]
mircea_popescu !up DoctorBTC [01:57]
-assbot- You voiced DoctorBTC for 30 minutes. [01:57]
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mircea_popescu ;;view 21131 [01:57]
gribble #21131 Tue Jul 22 18:01:45 2014 DoctorBTC SELL 1.0 OTC Handholding @ 0.1 BTC (I'll gently guide you through registering and authing with gribble) [01:57]
mircea_popescu ^ nice idea that. [01:57]
DoctorBTC lol [01:57]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot DoctorBTC [01:57]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask DoctorBTC!~DoctorBTC@unaffiliated/doctorbtc. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DoctorBTC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Apr 30 19:24:50 2013 [01:57]
DoctorBTC logs get all filled up watching people explain... [01:57]
mircea_popescu it's needed here like weekly or so. [01:57]
BingoBoingo [01:57]
assbot Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015 : CryptoCurrency [01:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so now, elementary economic theory : if one actually WANTS ethereum coins, they'll buy from me. [01:59]
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mircea_popescu watch how nobody does, and then watch the ethereum people lie about how they sold however many. [01:59]
mircea_popescu because yes, totally, this happens. [01:59]
thickasthieves reddit deleted my link to your ethereum thing [01:59]
thickasthieves mine said "Eccentric European Eviscerates Ethereum's Ether " [01:59]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You forget the mp eats babies crowd and "momentum traders" who want to flip the thing right away [01:59]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yes, i am forgetting the idiots. [02:00]
mircea_popescu supposedly there's "investors" involved in these crummy shits. [02:00]
thickasthieves i guess mods got me on speed dial or sumth [02:00]
thickasthieves :( [02:00]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves maybe too many e's. [02:00]
mircea_popescu stop dropping the Es man [02:00]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I like to think of them as Patrons of the Derps [02:00]
thickasthieves art is ded [02:02]
BingoBoingo << "Cryptsy data from shows that we are down to 138MIL TOTAL Buy order. [02:02]
BingoBoingo If you simply look at the chart of buy vs sell orders, it can be intuitive to say that some whale decided to cash out. [02:02]
BingoBoingo Now, what do we do about this? [02:02]
BingoBoingo Once more, as a reminder, we need to create a reason for people to want to buy in into Dogecoin, and for whales to hold their stash. [02:02]
assbot Doge just got dumped. : dogecoin [02:02]
BingoBoingo Posting memes and jokes won't do. We have the community, and we have the social media reach. What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post." [02:02]
assbot - dogecoin value charts btc/doge [02:02]
BingoBoingo ^ Last victim [02:02]
thickasthieves lol [02:03]
thickasthieves "What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post." full circle [02:03]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:05]
BingoBoingo << Tales from the Bagholder's social club [02:05]
assbot Altcoins That Are Currently In Community Takeover [02:05]
mircea_popescu "we have the community, it just so happens to be a community of worthless retards. o noes!" [02:06]
mircea_popescu must suck, you know, to be one of these fucktards, earnestly believing that everyone's equal and groups are great, [02:06]
mircea_popescu finding yourself confronted with the sad reality that people aren't equal and groups suck. [02:07]
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thickasthieves they wont notice [02:07]
thickasthieves just need a better group [02:07]
mircea_popescu course they won't notice. anything to avoid that ego wound. but still... [02:08]
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mircea_popescu !up Adohgg [02:11]
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mircea_popescu how much you gettin' paid ? [02:11]
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BingoBoingo %d [02:16]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 665597.03 in 1508 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -3.14 [02:16]
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BingoBoingo OMG ATC network is running nearly even!!! [02:17]
mircea_popescu well mike_c wanted stabilisation so i guess mike_c gets stabilisation. [02:17]
BingoBoingo ;;8ball how much does a petahash of mining hardware sell for anyways [02:17]
gribble The outlook is good. [02:17]
mike_c ;;calc 687*7 [02:18]
gribble 4809 [02:18]
mike_c 5 th/s, not bad [02:18]
mike_c and yes, when mike_c wants something.. it happens :D [02:18]
* mike_c wants all the coinz [02:19]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000000 "Doge coins deliverable 3 or 6 months" 3 BTC "Or less, negotiable by volume and interval. Looking to carry a few billion." [02:19]
gribble Order id 21136 created. [02:19]
mircea_popescu meh not enough zeros. [02:22]
mircea_popescu jesus the dog coin is worthless. [02:22]
BingoBoingo ;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins "Altcoin the sha-256 coin mentioned" 175 "satoshis per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained" [02:23]
gribble Error: 'Altcoin' is not a valid price input. [02:23]
assbot Page not found | The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again [02:23]
BingoBoingo ;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins, the sha-256 coin mentioned" 175 satoshis "per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained" [02:23]
gribble Order id 21137 created. [02:23]
assbot Page not found | The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again [02:23]
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mircea_popescu thickasthieves BingoBoingo's reddit seems to stick, maybe you're shadowbanned ? [02:25]
mircea_popescu one too many trilema links i nthere. [02:25]
mircea_popescu !up FoOdies [02:25]
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cazalla ;;getrust BingoBoingo [02:25]
gribble Error: "getrust" is not a valid command. [02:25]
cazalla ;;gettrust BingoBoingo [02:25]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user cazalla to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013 [02:25]
FoOdies multumesc [02:25]
mircea_popescu yw [02:25]
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BingoBoingo !up DoctorBTC [02:28]
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thickasthieves selling 1000000 ATC for 100btc [02:30]
mircea_popescu << this is kinda weird bullshit. as far as mah sources tell me, weev is fundamentally a guy of strange habits and little computing capcity who just had the guts to publish material some other guy actually produced. he is in any sense a front, not a hacker. [02:30]
assbot How We All Got Trolled Matter Medium [02:30]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves sellout! we're building this great community with memes and whatnot and all you wanna do is sell out for btc ?!?!?! [02:31]
cazalla ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 small ATC trade for BTC [02:31]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded. [02:31]
BingoBoingo ;;rate cazalla 1 Bunny slayer [02:32]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded. [02:32]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think the applicable term to describe weev is "fall guy" or "meat shield" [02:33]
mircea_popescu "shield of thorns" [02:33]
BingoBoingo Crown of Thrones [02:34]
thickasthieves i'm selling out for the community [02:35]
mircea_popescu !b 1 [02:35]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [02:35]
mircea_popescu ahah epic retort. [02:35]
mircea_popescu << check out the awkwardness lmao. [02:36]
assbot Frank Zappa Interview (MTV, 1984) - YouTube [02:36]
mircea_popescu worst interviewer ever. [02:36]
mircea_popescu bitstein re your hoarders article, you familiar with the power/fetish of power exchange and all that jazz ? [02:37]
bitstein I don't think so. [02:39]
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mircea_popescu ah well then. [02:41]
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Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: any reading suggestions on that subject? [02:42]
mircea_popescu [02:42]
assbot The battlefield of the future pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:42]
FoOdies I can't believe I took 10 minutes of my precious life to read about some mentally retarded homophobic racist conspiracy nutjob hacker [02:42]
BigBitz Cancelled until 2015. [02:42]
mircea_popescu a fine excerpt is in there. ballas does a great job of doing the psychiatric basics of it [02:42]
FoOdies thanks obama ( mircea_popescu ) [02:42]
mircea_popescu but otherwise you want saussure and levi strauss [02:42]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: thanks [02:43]
mircea_popescu FoOdies arguably the life of one who's never heard of weev isn't that precious. [02:43]
mircea_popescu BigBitz what is ? [02:43]
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FoOdies arguably [02:44]
BigBitz mircea_popescu: BattleField Hardline. I was just making a funny. [02:44]
mircea_popescu but anyway. culture is much like ash in the ashtray : the leftovers of all your nights wasted reading stupid shit. [02:44]
mircea_popescu o lol. [02:44]
FoOdies why would I need to read about other retards' mishaps when I have a first have experience with fbi+mi5+sri [02:44]
FoOdies hand* [02:45]
FoOdies first hand* [02:45]
mircea_popescu people who have sex read porn, why not. [02:45]
BigBitz wait. what. [02:46]
BigBitz 'read' porn. [02:46]
FoOdies true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn [02:46]
FoOdies watch [02:46]
FoOdies read [02:46]
FoOdies you know what he meant [02:46]
bitstein mircea_popescu: Oh yes! I need to re-read it, but that was a great TLP article. [02:46]
BigBitz with mircea_popescu you never /really/ know what he meant. [02:46]
mircea_popescu BigBitz im in touch with my feminine side, you chauvinist pigglet. [02:46]
belcher benkay bettyclamp bgupta BigBitz BingoBoingo bitcoinhtx bitstein Blazedout419 blg bounce [02:46]
BigBitz mircea_popescu please. [02:46]
mircea_popescu bitstein basically the idea is that a whole generation of mutton has been raised to abhor actual power, and to readily insist it must be traded in for power tokens. [02:47]
FoOdies the cells of the central arrest near casa poporului are very enlightening you know [02:47]
mircea_popescu this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme, [02:47]
mircea_popescu and this is why a lot of other things. [02:47]
BingoBoingo true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn << if only you knew what a hassel these things are to set up... [02:48]
BingoBoingo shit [02:48]
FoOdies god damn it don't I know it [02:48]
mircea_popescu ;;google interrecial intersex interspecies orgy [02:48]
gribble Smashwords – About Nick Foxx, author of 'Tush (The Whole Tale ...: [02:48]
FoOdies and the mess you have to clean up afterwards [02:48]
bitstein <+mircea_popescu> this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme, << you mean the idea that merchants matter? [02:49]
BingoBoingo FoOdies: Mess is why you go to the Goat's house [02:49]
mircea_popescu bitstein well the idea that in order for bitcoin to have value, it must be traded out of your hand. [02:49]
mircea_popescu ie, they're firm in the notion that nothing in their hand can be of value. a sort of reverse-midas mentality. [02:49]
mircea_popescu shitheads convinced everything in their hands turns to shit [02:49]
FoOdies not when you're the host [02:49]
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CoalPowerGorilla coingenuity copumpkin Corey Cory cowloon [02:49]
CoalPowerGorilla coingenuity copumpkin Corey Cory cowloon [02:49]
mircea_popescu !up cowloon [02:49]
-assbot- You voiced cowloon for 30 minutes. [02:50]
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mircea_popescu bitstein it's not just money, either. consider my earlier quoted piece about how "you can't police other people's oppression". [02:50]
bitstein Pierre_Rochard has referred to Bitcoin as an example of Coase theorem. Bitcoin can be allocated however... it will fall out of the hands of the stupid. [02:50]
mircea_popescu and it's really universal. i was out one night here, and a bum (there's tons of bums in buenos aires, they have matresses in the street and whatnot) started howling. like 3 am. [02:50]
FoOdies mircea_popescu the day bitcoin is no longer paired against fiat is the day bitcoin has reached it's purpose [02:51]
mircea_popescu a passerby was like "shut up!" all aggro. [02:51]
mircea_popescu find the us guy that wil tell a bum what to do, how to speak and so on. [02:51]
FoOdies until then it's just an unregulated trading asset [02:51]
FoOdies imho [02:51]
mircea_popescu "o, could never do that". well ? why not ? whoi's to tell the bums how to behave ? who's to tell children what to do, when and how ? [02:51]
BingoBoingo Marketing opportunity >> [02:51]
assbot 170-Foot Ketchup Bottle for Sale in Illinois - ABC News [02:51]
FoOdies I like this place, it's all kinds of weird [02:52]
FoOdies can I have perma voice ? [02:52]
mircea_popescu nah, you should too shilly. [02:52]
FoOdies I'll consider a shpaga when I meet you [02:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 429 @ 0.00273 = 1.1712 BTC [-] {2} [02:52]
FoOdies notice the usage of when [02:52]
FoOdies the firm usage [02:53]
mircea_popescu permanence is illusory anyway. [02:53]
BingoBoingo Pretty sure that catsup bottle can be dressed up as an MPEx dildo [02:53]
bitstein Somewhat related, I'm working on an article about how merchants are just scammers trying to swindle you out of your bitcoins. [02:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it being ill, they'll prolly shoot someone with it. [02:53]
mircea_popescu bitstein perhaps going a little too far. [02:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Other side of the state. A few hundred miles from Chiraq [02:54]
bitstein Yes, that's the hyperbolic summary. [02:54]
bitstein I'll pass on a draft later on. I have school in the way right now. [02:55]
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BingoBoingo !up FoOdies [02:57]
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mircea_popescu ;;view 21114 [02:57]
gribble #21114 Sun Jul 20 00:20:35 2014 BTCminers SELL 1.0 Spin Wheel – wheel Script for any crypto coin + Installing @ 0.1 BTC (Escrow Accepted) [02:57]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves feel like running whatever that is ? [02:57]
BingoBoingo [02:58]
assbot Brenda Ann Kenneally documents life below the poverty line in Troy, York in her documentary project, Upstate Girls. [02:58]
BingoBoingo ^ lulzy photos [02:58]
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mircea_popescu <<< i bet this filename was created on a system [03:03]
BingoBoingo OMG spot the DOgecoiner [03:04]
BingoBoingo [03:05]
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mircea_popescu << check out the punctured oil heater with a jimmy rigged power connection. [03:06]
mircea_popescu this guy could be a 2012 bitcoin miner. [03:06]
BingoBoingo "I would encourage you to finish before the majority of your committee members retire. (seriously.)" << Roflmao, I know a between one and two hand full of countable fingers of these people. [03:08]
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BingoBoingo << Event that happens in the shadow of the Catsup Bottle/Dildo water tower [03:10]
assbot International Horseradish Festival, Collinsville, IL. First weekend in June [03:10]
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BingoBoingo Actual contest that happened [03:12]
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mircea_popescu wait. that boy actually is... a girl ?! [03:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, very merkley??? looking shit, except minus either the talent or the interest [03:22]
mircea_popescu ( the real deal ) [03:22]
assbot merkley???: I May Not Be God, But at Least I'm Real. [03:22]
BingoBoingo roflcopter [03:26]
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bitstein Ethereum has raised nearly $800k in about 2 hours: [03:39]
assbot Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 [03:39]
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mircea_popescu lol so people bought >1k btc worth of ethereum at 2k each btc , instead of buying 1k btc worth of ethereum at 5k each btc ? [03:40]
mircea_popescu does this sound credible to you in any sense ? [03:40]
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bitstein Well I'm amazed by any purchase of Ethereum, so... [03:41]
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mircea_popescu why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ? [03:43]
mircea_popescu o wait, they're all sent off the same software which simply substracts the same mining fee from the txn ? [03:43]
mircea_popescu funny how that'd be the case. [03:44]
BingoBoingo Wait, there's a wallet thing that does that? [03:44]
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mike_c isn't ethereum a wallet or something? [03:44]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Well, so far it is a nothing [03:45]
mike_c also, it's possible they didn't know about the better offer yet. [03:45]
BingoBoingo Then it will pretend to be a something before becoming a nothing again [03:45]
mike_c da fuck am i thinking of? mycelium, etherwhoizt. what the fuck is that node-less wallet thingy? [03:46]
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mike_c jurov is a big fan. unless i dreamt all this. [03:47]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Electrum? [03:47]
mike_c yes [03:47]
mike_c these names. [03:47]
mircea_popescu mike_c right, because nobody with any btc reads the logs, or reddit, or twitter. [03:47]
BingoBoingo Ah. Electrum wallet (split into online and offline components like armory) plus one's own electrum server actually doesn't seem like a bad wallet solution atm [03:48]
mike_c well, are you proposing that there is no longer significant # of btc in the hands of idiots? [03:48]
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mike_c i didn't think we were there yet. [03:49]
mike_c BingoBoingo: yeah, it didn't seem completely retarded. i had attached some of that feeling to this ethereum thingy. didn't realize it was just a complete nothing. [03:50]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Yeah, a big problem in this space is still sound/look a like names. [03:50]
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mircea_popescu mike_c in this case, the only significant amount of btc is in the hands of the idiots trying to fraudulently prop an ipo scam visible from the moon, in some sort of misplaced delusion of legal immunity. [04:10]
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benkay mircea_popescu: d'you recall what gmaxwell's all butthurt about? [04:15]
BingoBoingo Well, it was just last week the link dropped here of an aspiring HYIP scammer who lost a whole BTC to malware he though would let him cheat a pasted together gambling site. [04:16]
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BingoBoingo benkay: Porn. gmaxwell hates pr0ns [04:16]
mircea_popescu getting publicly humiliated ? the usaul thing. [04:16]
benkay just wondering what fine print he failed to read. [04:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo a whole btc. not a succession of 5.997 2.997 etc etc. [04:16]
benkay having failed to read my fair share of fine print in the past. [04:16]
mircea_popescu benkay o, i don't imagine his recent derpage has any substance to it, merely him trying his best at crafting effectual calumny. [04:17]
mircea_popescu otherwise, the dispute is preserved here : [04:17]
assbot The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, this whole ether huffing thing smells just like the mastercoin "sell coin now" and then "release anything eventually" [04:17]
mircea_popescu obviously the fact that time has meanwhile proven my points doesn't in any sense help. [04:18]
BingoBoingo ;;rate gmaxwell -1 Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant [04:19]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user gmaxwell has been recorded. [04:19]
BingoBoingo What was Hearn's nick? [04:19]
mircea_popescu but anyway, this isn't in any sense a dispute pitting flaming social justice warriors and other braindamaged kids trying to make the world "liberal" a la copumpkin against cold hard reality. [04:19]
copumpkin lol [04:20]
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mircea_popescu this is a dispute where a consumate gofer (ie, gmaxwell) is trying to veer their naivity into some sort of political relevance for himself, gets called out and then stomped out. [04:20]
benkay BingoBoingo: is this ether coin a btc fork or... [04:20]
mircea_popescu much like the life of andreas derpopowhatever, except two years earlier [04:20]
BingoBoingo benkay: Pre-sold instead of pre-mined [04:20]
benkay BingoBoingo: still no software then i gather [04:20]
mircea_popescu which shouldn't be surprising : anyone can be a very ambitious failed painter or w/e mediocrity. [04:20]
BingoBoingo benkay: Not that they've released. Apparently the presale ether goes in their genesis block [04:21]
bitstein [04:22]
assbot The Producers -- Hitler...there was a painter - YouTube [04:22]
mircea_popescu What was Hearn's nick? << i don't recall he ever managing to figure out the gpg arcana. i imagine he'll first have to implement a google code version, that doesn't work. [04:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ah, I though I'd give him the "UnsavoryGarnish, Vegetable" ninjashogun and gmaxwell earned [04:23]
BingoBoingo But if he didn't submit himself to civilization [04:23]
BingoBoingo ... [04:23]
BingoBoingo I guess that people will have to read other places that he is suspected of being the lead USG plant [04:24]
mircea_popescu not the sort of thing that really needs to be read by too many people anyway. [04:24]
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mircea_popescu benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork. [04:25]
mircea_popescu it's going to do great things in novel ways just as soon as someone does it. [04:25]
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mircea_popescu copumpkin lol, lol, but how about you go count female heads in otc and here ? just for lulz. [04:26]
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copumpkin busy eating some hand grasp bread I just made [04:26]
mircea_popescu i never had that thing. what the hell is it [04:27]
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benkay benkay well so far it's really an urbit fork. // vaporware fork XD [04:28]
nubbins` what's hand grasp bread [04:28]
benkay at least urbit had code in the wild, has ether achieved that yet? [04:28]
copumpkin fluffy chinese bread: [04:28]
copumpkin dlicious [04:28]
copumpkin om nom nom [04:28]
nubbins` oh yum [04:28]
nubbins` is that wheat-based? [04:28]
benkay nubbins`: hit the lawyer turn off the gym, facebook up? [04:28]
mircea_popescu look slike an exploded strudel. [04:29]
copumpkin mine isnt as beautiful as that one [04:29]
mircea_popescu benkay well it's a spoonlet then , not quite a fork [04:29]
copumpkin yeah wheat [04:29]
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nubbins` benkay i know all the verbs you just used [04:29]
nubbins` i'm trying to see if i can make a business case for buying one of these cd duplication machines [04:31]
mircea_popescu nubbins` lawyer is a noun. get it ? A NOUN. you don't want it to sue you., [04:31]
benkay the spoon is a lie [04:31]
nubbins` with the little robot arms [04:31]
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BingoBoingo Fuck it, Imma walk over to the county fair and grab some chikin livers to go with this vodka [04:31]
mircea_popescu how much do they cost ? [04:31]
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BingoBoingo (reconstituted vodka) [04:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo grab a chick'n while at it. [04:31]
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copumpkin nubbins`: wtf is a cd [04:32]
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nubbins` i know right [04:32]
nubbins` that's in the "cons" list [04:32]
mircea_popescu !up Ginux [04:32]
mircea_popescu !up gilgameshugga [04:32]
nubbins` but they're fuckin cheap. like under 3btc [04:32]
mircea_popescu ok, how many cds did you burn last year ? [04:32]
copumpkin hell, I can't even remember the last time I handled physical media [04:33]
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dub [04:33]
copumpkin that's cause nobody else wants them either [04:33]
assbot Chopped green onion hand grasp bread | Chinesefood [04:33]
nubbins` reason i'm wondering is we got a job producing cd jackets etc for a band, and we're printing on the discs [04:33]
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copumpkin dub: yup [04:33]
dub complete wiht engrish++ [04:33]
nubbins` started humming about actually duplicating them too [04:33]
dub this is my new favorite blog [04:33]
benkay Somewhat related, I'm working on an article about how merchants are just scammers trying to swindle you out of your bitcoins. // i'm starting to like you [04:33]
copumpkin delicious [04:33]
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copumpkin so much good chinese food never leaves china [04:33]
copumpkin it's a pity people only eat general tsao and such [04:33]
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dub duck you [04:34]
dub um [04:34]
dub fuck you [04:34]
copumpkin :( [04:34]
-assbot- You voiced Ginux for 30 minutes. [04:34]
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midnightmagic you just have to know a chinese person. I got some great stuff smuggled out. :-D [04:34]
dub i want chinee food now [04:34]
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copumpkin chinese lamb sticks are the best [04:35]
copumpkin ma po doufu [04:35]
copumpkin mm [04:35]
copumpkin in fact, anything with szechuan peppercorns [04:35]
dub theres a place up the road that does that bread and og dumplings [04:35]
mircea_popescu i never got into chinese. sushi i like, indian lamb i like, but chinese... hm. what's it even for. [04:35]
copumpkin amazing ingredient [04:35]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:35]
midnightmagic tingly numby-ness. [04:35]
copumpkin >_> [04:35]
dub but im too hungover to drive [04:36]
copumpkin mmm [04:36]
midnightmagic nom nom nom [04:36]
copumpkin yup [04:36]
dub yeah numbing heat [04:36]
dub good shit [04:36]
mircea_popescu ironically, the sechuan pepper i actually like [04:36]
mircea_popescu usually put it on... pfeffersteak [04:36]
copumpkin that's cause it's an amazing ingredient [04:37]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:37]
copumpkin <_< [04:37]
mircea_popescu yeah, proly the best pepper. [04:37]
mircea_popescu either that or green [04:37]
midnightmagic there are some weird salts that are hand-mined and prepared in china too. They highlight one in a show called "Taste of China". [04:37]
dub goddamit [04:37]
copumpkin yup [04:37]
midnightmagic *amazing* weird flavours. [04:37]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:37]
midnightmagic lol [04:37]
copumpkin lol [04:37]
dub im gonna have to man up and put some pants on [04:38]
copumpkin AMAZING COMPANY! [04:38]
copumpkin hmm [04:38]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic it's not "salt scraped off forced labouring prisoners sweat" or something is it [04:38]
copumpkin aMazing pepper [04:38]
dub mircea_popescu: just the balls [04:38]
mircea_popescu chinese men have balls ?! [04:38]
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midnightmagic mircea_popescu: lol no, but its extraction is hugely labour-intensive.. same as lots of things in our world that have disappeared because nobody's willing or able to go to the effort anymore [04:38]
dub hey now, no need for racis [04:39]
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mircea_popescu dub is racis the enemy of ratrans ? [04:39]
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mircea_popescu midnightmagic but i mean... salt is salt, right ? it forms deposits, acertain way. why labour intensive ? [04:39]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: pure salt is. The impurities give it the weird extra flavours. I mean some I'm not cool with. There's this weird black salt that has a lot of sulphur in it. [04:40]
mircea_popescu sulphur is supposedly good for you, somehow. [04:41]
mircea_popescu they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters. [04:41]
BingoBoingo I'm back, mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo grab a chick'n while at it. << How does that saying go... "Don't shit where you eat" [04:41]
dub Put to wok,add a spoon oil,cook until two side become yellow.OK! [04:42]
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mircea_popescu dub is that wok or work ? [04:42]
dub if yan can cook then so can you [04:42]
midnightmagic my mistake the show is called "A Bite Of China" but damned if I can find the episode now :) [04:43]
mircea_popescu honestly, i'd be kinda loath to take bites out of china. [04:43]
kakobrekla they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters. < been to such place, saturnia in italy. [04:43]
mircea_popescu kinda big. [04:43]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla there's one in romania and i think somewhere in serbia ? or maybe it was albania [04:43]
midnightmagic There's a spot near me where the hotsprngs have naturally-occurring lithium in them. [04:44]
midnightmagic it's horrible literally being unable to move faster than a walk after sitting in those waters too long [04:44]
mircea_popescu wow [04:44]
dub is that good for you? [04:45]
midnightmagic i didn't know until afterwards that the water was contaminated. they sell it as a health spa. [04:45]
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mircea_popescu "experience being old for a day!" [04:45]
midnightmagic "what the fuck is wrong with me" *sluggish zombie-movement* [04:45]
kakobrekla Mataruška Banja? Havent been but need to check it out sometime. [04:45]
midnightmagic yah [04:45]
dub they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis [04:45]
BingoBoingo dub: Not just then, low dose lithium can work well for a person when their brain is just running a little hot. [04:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ya sound about right [04:46]
BingoBoingo dub> they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis << Also they don't really give lithium much for psychosis anymore which is a shame considering how well it works... [04:48]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming. [04:50]
mircea_popescu we're trying to build a great future here and you gotta throw simple element wrenches into the windows [04:50]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming. << I'm fighting marketing. Just because pharma doesn't want to compete with Tesla's 1337 battery factory doesn't mean that there are better uses for those salts than motor carriages and iBortions. [04:52]
mircea_popescu psychoactive lithium is not complex enough. progress is complexity, to oppose complexification is to be antisocial and terrorist. [04:52]
* BingoBoingo finds it interesting that in a few years on patent Atypical Antipsychotics will dry up, and the next pivot isn't apparent on the horizon yet. [04:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo seeing how well the current stuff works, they can just patent borax glass and give that to people. [04:53]
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BingoBoingo Come on, there's nothing more complex than the cascade of mystery meat that happens when lithium displaces sodium in the gap and raises action potential [04:54]
mircea_popescu but that's complexity in the wrong place. [04:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, The Last Psychiatrist had all of those wonderfully illustrative Seroquel articles about complexity in the right places, but... Tis off pattent nao [04:55]
BingoBoingo TLP's rum fountain analogy in those articles is probably the best popular science writing this century so far. [04:57]
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nubbins` nice middle-of-the-line cd duplicator is maybe $1500 [04:58]
nubbins` realistically could charge about 50 cents for the duplication of one cd [04:58]
nubbins` which means 3k cds duplicated before i can stop worrying about breaking the thing [04:58]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you never answered as to how many you made [04:59]
nubbins` for customers? zero [04:59]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Look used on Ebay already. [04:59]
nubbins` just happened to be making some cd cases for a band and they wanted discs printed, idly wondering if we'd want to duplicate em too [05:00]
nubbins` probably not [05:00]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ok, how many do you figure you'll make and on what basis do you so figure ? [05:00]
kakobrekla tell em if he orders 3k. [05:00]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla's idea goes a long way towards that. "3k, cause they're prepaid" [05:00]
nubbins` it's hard to say because a lot of bands are doing vinyl or download cards these days instead of cds. ballpark guess, might get 1000 cds duped over the next year [05:01]
mike_c and exponential decrease every year after [05:01]
mike_c it's like a miner! [05:01]
nubbins` well, there's that too [05:01]
kakobrekla at this point - might be more $ to be in the floppy biz. [05:02]
nubbins` you can also get dupe towers, with one master drive and say 5 burners [05:02]
nubbins` they're only around $700 [05:02]
mircea_popescu horrible business purchase, moving on. [05:02]
nubbins` not quite as hands-off tho [05:02]
nubbins` lel, agreed [05:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` , hey, it's what you originally asked. [05:02]
nubbins` this is a silkscreen printing studio, not a cd dupe centre [05:02]
nubbins` just looking for a fresh perspective, glad to see we're all in agreement 8) [05:03]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: How many Cd's do they need duped? [05:03]
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nubbins` this particular job, only 200 [05:03]
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nubbins` i'd say at this point, more stuff is being released on cassette here than cd [05:04]
mircea_popescu nubbins` this is like, groupthink. no fresh perspectives allowed here. [05:04]
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nubbins` heh [05:04]
mircea_popescu nubbins` but srsly, if you can get a vynil press you can sell to all the hippies [05:04]
nubbins` mp, that's its own craft [05:05]
kakobrekla that shit costs serial monies. [05:05]
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nubbins` almost every vinyl pressing house in canada outsources to this one factory in czech [05:05]
mike_c really? shipping is worth it? [05:05]
* nubbins` nods [05:05]
mircea_popescu mike_c easy to fuck up [05:05]
nubbins` they do direct-to-metal digital masters with this crazy machine [05:05]
nubbins` supposed to be a one-of-a-kind setup [05:06]
mircea_popescu it probably is. [05:06]
nubbins` name an a-list band, their vinyl is pressed there [05:06]
mike_c interesting. [05:06]
mircea_popescu the last existing top hat factory was destroyed in a family dispute coupla decades ago [05:06]
nubbins` jeez [05:06]
mircea_popescu most of the good old shit is one of a kind setups [05:06]
BingoBoingo Nubbins 2k cd minimum order I could set up cd production with artisinal hand labeling ~ 8.7 BTC and handle the remaining on a print on demand basis. 6 week turn around for the first batch. [05:06]
nubbins` BingoBoingo i don't think many bands here would be into a 2k minimum ;( [05:07]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo there exist no indie bands which can afford a 10 btc expenditure on life saving surgery [05:07]
mircea_popescu let alone cds [05:07]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu you forget, this is canada [05:07]
nubbins` sweet sweet grant money [05:07]
mircea_popescu nubbins` anyway, the only way to do this is, make the whole studio, force-sign the bands, work them like slaves. [05:08]
mircea_popescu not VERY profitable, but a lot of fun. [05:08]
nubbins` heh [05:08]
nubbins` maybe i'll just stick to printing [05:08]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well I figured I'd throw a quote out there just in case some "band" has parents with more coin than sense [05:08]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo those kids go for mbas, new cars and bumps off teenage asscracks. [05:08]
nubbins` one of our regular customers was awarded a $10k grant last year to record an album [05:08]
mircea_popescu not shitty "music" [05:08]
mircea_popescu nubbins` wow socialist utopia. was the album actually made ? [05:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a copy somewhere [05:09]
mircea_popescu or did it work pretty much like kickstarter [05:09]
nubbins` it was their third album, first one paid for by someone else [05:09]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: The 2k minimum is to avoid the situation where they buy exactly the number of cd's they have friends to pester and need pod cd's twice a month for a decade. [05:09]
nubbins` that's the thing about grants, you get blacklisted if you don't produce (a) your work and (b) your receipts [05:10]
nubbins` and nobody wants to get blacklisted, 'cause ain't nobody but the government giving out free money [05:10]
mike_c "free" [05:10]
nubbins` hey, free enough [05:11]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've had classmates with "farm money" talk their parents into covering their Film School, Mary Jane prescription, and subsequent X-mas DUI's. Weirder things happen in fiat land. [05:11]
mike_c not so free for the people they took it from [05:11]
nubbins` mike_c, our benevolent overlords see it fit that we should be entertained with fresh music [05:11]
nubbins` and so we gladly oblige, purse in hand [05:11]
mircea_popescu mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. [05:11]
mike_c hey, it's better than how our gov't spends its money.. [05:12]
nubbins` i mean, really, it's not the band that gets the $10k [05:12]
mircea_popescu im not sure if shitty contemporary bands should be given 10k in grants to derp quietly in a corner at their craft or just be medicated worth 10k for possesion. [05:12]
mircea_popescu so far neither strat seems to work any [05:12]
mircea_popescu canada hasn't had a good musician since cohen visited and the us... [05:13]
nubbins` it's everyone they hire to do shit for them that they used to have to do themselves [05:13]
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nubbins` wat [05:13]
mircea_popescu nubbins` too lazy to list the us problemz. [05:13]
mike_c wait, was that a meta-insult? [05:14]
justusranvier mircea_popescu: What happens if by next March 15th, the Ethereum network isn't sufficiently functional for you to be able to deliver Ethers to the people who take you up on your offer? [05:14]
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mike_c "i'm too drunk to list irish problems" [05:14]
mircea_popescu justusranvier amusingly, in that case the contract'd be void. [05:15]
mircea_popescu but anyway, it'd be an explicit clause limiting such cases, obv. [05:15]
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mircea_popescu in any case, one generally buys a future if they expect the thing to work well, not to fail. [05:19]
mircea_popescu if you buy a future and the thing fails there's many ways to put it, but they all boil down to "you're screwed". [05:20]
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justusranvier They might have value as collector's items 30 years from now. [05:21]
* dub haz chinese food [05:21]
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mircea_popescu all sorts of mights, obviously. [05:23]
mircea_popescu the aliens might land five minutes later and declare that anyone can have super hot alien blowjobs for a eth each [05:23]
BingoBoingo !b 7 [05:23]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But then the aliens burn in hell for coming from the wrong earth [05:24]
justusranvier "Vintage Ether units. Mint condition - never used." [05:24]
mircea_popescu i happen to be party to the first and oldest actually executed short, incidentally. you ever saw it ? [05:25]
BingoBoingo I wonder if ethereum ethers will suffer from the problem classical ether does where explosive peroxide crystals form. [05:25]
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BingoBoingo Also, fuck tractor pulls [05:39]
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mircea_popescu decent tits on those legs. [05:39]
mthreat anti-gravity [05:40]
mircea_popescu they do wonderful things with plastics now [05:41]
mthreat did someone already post this here? [05:42]
assbot Here's Why I Love Bitcoin! [Very NSFW Version] ;) : Bitcoin [05:42]
mthreat appears to be from sexy saffron [05:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.00274866 = 1.9241 BTC [+] [05:42]
mircea_popescu five holes, asciilifeform [05:43]
mircea_popescu or was it six. [05:43]
asciilifeform damn what'd i miss. [05:43]
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* asciilifeform now back to actual work [05:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.00697642 = 1.0465 BTC [+] {5} [05:47]
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decimation asciilifeform were you tired of breathing laser-combustion byproducts? [05:50]
asciilifeform decimation: aye [05:50]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lithium pharma << as i recall, the therapeutic envelope is so narrow as to be practically absent - e.g. slow poison [05:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Therapeutic envelope is indeed very narrow. 0.4 to 1.2, toxic depending on the patient starts at 0.8 to 1.4 [05:53]
decimation asciilifeform if you aren't making stencils with laser cutter, what are you making? custom circuit-board etchings? [05:54]
BingoBoingo But, on the plus side interactions with other drugs are minimal [05:54]
asciilifeform decimation: mechanicals for paste laydown apparatus. [05:54]
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decimation neato, robots building robots [05:54]
decimation I wouldn't mind building something like this one day: (complete with russian military satellite observatory) [05:56]
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BingoBoingo Seriously though, calling these things competing in the tractor pull "tractors" is an insult to the idea of useful machinery. [05:58]
asciilifeform ;;buy 1 "Auger valve for high-viscosity fluid dispenser, any manufacturer." at 1 BTC [05:59]
gribble Order id 21143 created. [05:59]
decimation lithium & warfarin are famous for narrow theraputic index [05:59]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Warfarin is a bit different. Warfarin has an antidote. [06:00]
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mircea_popescu btw, since i've been reading my old romanian bitcoin articles, landed on some gems. anyone remembers vladimir's asic ? [06:03]
mircea_popescu [06:03]
assbot [ANN] A public company will build a huge Bitcoin Mining Operation (ASIC). | Page 15 | [06:03]
decimation asciilifeform don't you need to refigerate solder paste? [06:04]
decimation refridgerate [06:04]
asciilifeform decimation: yes. or, alternatively, use it up quickly. [06:04]
asciilifeform it doesn't keep. [06:04]
decimation I guess if you do a batch at a time you use it up [06:04]
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asciilifeform even refrigerated, the balls settle. [06:05]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: OMG comments [06:05]
assbot Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015 : CryptoCurrency [06:05]
mircea_popescu "If this ASIC mambo jumbo goes forward then I think BTC is as "good" as PayPal or the Bank of England." (forum communitard, 2012). [06:05]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i saw some on tat's link too [06:06]
decimation [06:06]
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assbot 220V Auto Glue Dispenser Solder Paste Liquid Controller Dropper YDL 983A Dispensing system-in Other Machinery from Industry & Business on [06:06]
decimation why not air dispenser? [06:07]
asciilifeform decimation: i own almost exactly that one [06:07]
asciilifeform they're crap, fundamentally [06:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah [06:07]
decimation too much variance in the dispensed amount? [06:08]
asciilifeform decimation: two reasons: air is a terrible working fluid (compressible!) making for very poor repeatability; [06:08]
asciilifeform decimation: likewise, major problem with 'drool' (actual term of art!) [06:08]
decimation yeah, plus when it runs out it will spatter I suspect [06:08]
asciilifeform decimation: that is, apparatus continues to shit after pressure is relieved [06:08]
decimation yeah you almost want to push it out with water or something, except that would dilute the flux [06:09]
asciilifeform air-fart syringe apparatus works for what it was built for - chinese slave gurlz dispensing glue. [06:09]
decimation generally in that application you don't care about drool or spillage [06:10]
asciilifeform state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw. [06:10]
decimation x turns of screw gives repeatable amount? [06:10]
asciilifeform turned with a stepper motor. [06:10]
asciilifeform correct. [06:10]
decimation plus no drool because it acts as a valve [06:11]
decimation interesting. [06:11]
asciilifeform aye. [06:11]
BingoBoingo,36504/ [06:12]
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decimation you would need a tiny auger screw though? [06:12]
asciilifeform yes. and the cavity it turns in can have no more than a very small gap between the auger and walls. [06:13]
decimation [06:13]
assbot Basics: Up Close and Personal with Solder Paste | Evil Mad Scientist Laboratories [06:13]
asciilifeform these normally cost their weight in diamonds new. [06:13]
decimation "This is ?type 3? solder, which allows solder balls of up to 45 ?m in size, where 99% of those particles are below 38 ?m. " [06:13]
decimation that's a pretty small gap to close off [06:13]
decimation 45 micrometer ball size [06:14]
BingoBoingo County fair week has to be the worst week, why does a sled need 8 gallons of engine displacement to pull another sled full of weights? [06:15]
asciilifeform decimation: i use only Sn/Bi alloy, 138C. as described on mircea_popescu's site. [06:16]
asciilifeform 25-45 micron ball variance. [06:16]
asciilifeform it is reasonably inexpensive and reflows beautifully on an electric hob. [06:18]
kakobrekla its basically a tiny meat grinder. [06:19]
asciilifeform kakobrekla has it. [06:19]
* asciilifeform now wonders if said paste conducts well enough to be propelled in 'MHD' pump. [06:20]
dub my wood pellet burner ingests its food with an auger [06:21]
asciilifeform dub: cutting edge ancient greek tech. [06:22]
asciilifeform [06:23]
assbot Archimede's Screw [06:23]
asciilifeform'_screw#mediaviewer/File:Archimedes-screw_one-screw-threads_with-ball_3D-view_animated_small.gif [06:23]
assbot Archimedes' screw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:23]
dub its a bit buggy with the pellets, thinks its jammed and refuses to start around half the time [06:23]
asciilifeform (for victims of american school) [06:23]
dub smart way to isolate fuel store from the hot bit [06:24]
mircea_popescu dub how large are the pellets ? [06:25]
dub 5 by 10mm cylinders [06:26]
mircea_popescu prolly needs a tune-upo, the screw [06:28]
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dub yeah, dust caked around the sensor oslt [06:29]
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dub theres an appendage on the front of it that runs through middle of the screw which you pull out and wiggle to get it going again [06:30]
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dub it would be a problem if I used the automation bits but its not annoying enough to start pulling it apart [06:32]
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BingoBoingo !up shesek [06:42]
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shesek hey BingoBoingo [06:42]
BingoBoingo hello shesek [06:42]
shesek I actually have no idea what this channel is for - I saw it mentioned on Reddit and joined in [06:42]
shesek the website doesn't really say much, either [06:43]
BingoBoingo shesek: Well, this channel is kind of like the pipefitter's lounge, but for serious bitcoiners instead of pipefitters. [06:44]
BingoBoingo Not necessarily serious in general mind you. Just serious in Bitcoin. [06:45]
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Pierre_Rochard shesek: a good introduction is here [06:47]
assbot Bitcoin Is Great, But It Won’t Fix Our Monkey Brains | The mlaut [06:47]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: It looks like you've worked quite a bit on Electrum. Familiar at all with documentation for the server component? [06:47]
* asciilifeform discovered an interesting, (though probably not new) scam. [06:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00080277 = 26.0097 BTC [-] {4} [06:57]
Rassah I think "our monkey brains" are largely influenced by societal norms, and bitcoin will "hack" some of those norms just as other technologies and science discoveries have... [06:58]
asciilifeform one can buy 'sim cards' intended for industrial applications - alarms, sensors, etc. where you feed it once a quarter, and the balance is spent when making/receiving calls or sms [06:58]
asciilifeform i have one such. and now i know how the vendor scams [06:59]
asciilifeform the device receives sms spam. [06:59]
asciilifeform despite the number never seeing the light of day anywhere [06:59]
asciilifeform could be 'wardialer,' of course. [06:59]
asciilifeform or - their actual business model. [06:59]
BingoBoingo Rassah: Actual brain hacking is much harder than it first sppears [07:00]
asciilifeform interesting how business model where strangers can reach in and take money from your pocket can carry on. [07:04]
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asciilifeform (how? captive audience. who wants to pay a fat monthly fee for a remote sensor? so you're stuck with these.) [07:05]
BingoBoingo At least with the prepaid model if the carrier pisses you of, the shredder is a viable solution to device difficulties [07:06]
nubbins` so in the wedding planning world, a "save the date" card is a thing [07:06]
dub was wondering wtf you are on about until I noticed you said you pay to recieve traffic (wtf?) [07:06]
kakobrekla you pay for incoming sms ? [07:06]
nubbins` it's like an invitation, but subtly different [07:06]
dub never seen that one [07:06]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but where do you flee? they're all identical. [07:06]
nubbins` it's sort of like a pre-announcement [07:06]
nubbins` to use a btc analogy [07:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not for the privacy part, for the billing tyranny [07:06]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: in usa, afaik all prepaid 'sim' vendors charge for both directions [07:07]
dub thats fucked [07:07]
kakobrekla retarded is what it is. [07:07]
BingoBoingo They do indeed charge both ways, but it is still at least half the price of actual service. [07:07]
BingoBoingo Often cheaper than [Insert President] Phone plans [07:08]
dub it'd be cheaper for me to buy a burner with sim included than just sim [07:08]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: less than 1/10 the price of the cheapest 'actual' service. but, given that spammers exist, the cost is non-deterministic [07:08]
asciilifeform which is annoying in the extreme. [07:08]
dub still only $20-30 with some credit included [07:08]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm starting to get curious. Do you really get that many SMS spammers? [07:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: enough to be annoyed [07:10]
kakobrekla ascii your service provder is selling out to spammers ? tried switching to another ? [07:10]
asciilifeform my new hypothesis is that all cellular carriers that market to 'almost never uses account' folks make their dough on spam. [07:10]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: tried a number of carriers for this application. noticed this pattern. [07:11]
dub now that I think about it, I once bought an LTE modem with sim and $50 credit for $50 [07:11]
BingoBoingo Last SMS spam I got was 3 phone numbers ago [07:11]
asciilifeform dub: what's it cost per year? [07:11]
dub nothing, no contract [07:11]
asciilifeform dub: no, per year of actually being reachable [07:12]
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dub uh its 3Gb for $50 [07:13]
asciilifeform dub: we're talking about an unattended telemetry gizmo [07:13]
dub right, it wouldnt cost [07:14]
asciilifeform dub: vendor? [07:14]
dub dubistani specific one [07:14]
asciilifeform dub: every carrier i know of save the ones described above deduct $positive_integer per $time_period [07:15]
dub theres a sim in mrs dubs ipad that hasnt had credit on it since.. whenever ipad2 dropped 3+ years? still registers on the network fine [07:16]
asciilifeform dub: is this a formal arrangement, or a fortuitous accident? (e.g. 'comcast' once gave me ~2 years of service gratis. by virtue of sheer ineptness.) [07:17]
dub its standard product [07:17]
asciilifeform device-locked? [07:18]
dub no, its a burner sim [07:18]
kakobrekla from the ghetto streets. [07:18]
asciilifeform if anyone knows of equivalent in usa, speak up. [07:18]
kakobrekla isnt dub in usa? [07:18]
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dub lolno [07:19]
kakobrekla a ok [07:19]
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dub im banned from usa in fact :) [07:19]
dub not that I would want to go back [07:19]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If you want pure cell phone and SMS service Carlos Slim's Tracphone is the cheapest option [07:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they sell non-devicelocked sim ? [07:20]
BingoBoingo Next cheapest and my current option is AT&T go phone [07:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Their sims are very device locked [07:20]
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kuzetsa huh [07:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and both carriers you mentioned charge $posint / mo. [07:20]
kakobrekla dub yurop? [07:20]
kuzetsa I guess assbot shares the same database as gribble, neat [07:20]
asciilifeform we're talking about a gadget that powers up and sends a single 'sms' every blue moon. [07:21]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But device cost is low and every similar device must be treated as a turd anyways [07:21]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: For asciilifeform> we're talking about a gadget that powers up and sends a single 'sms' every blue moon. << You can pay $ int every year. [07:21]
BingoBoingo Less than ideal, but... [07:21]
dub kakobrekla: neg [07:22]
BingoBoingo For the cost of keeping a phone alive on the network I dunno of anything cheaper than Tracfone in the US [07:22]
dub satphones have prepay options iirc [07:24]
dub cost probably negates benefit, and you'd need sky [07:26]
cazalla re: salt, what is it with chinks and magic salt, had missus bff coming around with himalayan salt trying to scam me under the guise of it being great for baby [07:26]
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dub idk, I recall a theory that abnormally high iodine levels in the japanese contributes to their well above average longevity [07:28]
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dub (most western table salt has iodine removed) [07:29]
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cazalla they add it to salt, bread etc etc here [07:30]
cazalla actually, bread is folic acid, yet these women don't have babies [07:30]
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dub along with all manner of soy poisons and cow extracts [07:31]
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dub ;;google cows in the bread [07:32]
gribble Grain Overload/ Acidosis - LEA-White Farms Registered Highland ...: ; Processed Bread - Feeds Marketing: ; List of cattle breeds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [07:32]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Every living thing of note uses folate [07:35]
BingoBoingo About as close as Bio gets to having a level 0 standard [07:35]
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mircea_popescu the device receives sms spam. << yup [07:36]
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cazalla i won't pretend to know much about it other than what i said, law states they must add it to bread here, marketed to help the fetus yet women aren't falling pregnant, sounds more like a marketing pitch - here's a donut with folate, any excuse to buy it [07:37]
dub like fluoride, its all about reptillian seeding [07:38]
mircea_popescu not that I would want to go back << omg #bitcoin-extradition [07:38]
nubbins` <+dub> (most western table salt has iodine removed) [07:39]
nubbins` wat [07:39]
nubbins` you can buy non-iodized salt? [07:39]
mircea_popescu idk, I recall a theory that abnormally high iodine levels in the japanese contributes to their well above average longevity << fukushima makes sense nao. [07:39]
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dub funnily some time in teh 90's as I recall they started not taking it out and advertising as iodized [07:40]
trasyhhh151 command for change nick is /msg NickServ nick name? [07:40]
trasyhhh151 struggling here [07:41]
dub no /nick newnick [07:41]
nubbins` incidentally, if anyone's interested, this is what a "save the date" looks like: [07:42]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [07:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6586 @ 0.000802 = 5.282 BTC [-] [07:42]
dub I have a similarly gatsby themed one on my fridge [07:44]
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nubbins` deco is the new deco [07:45]
nubbins` is yours a real invite or a pre-invite? [07:46]
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dub this is an invite but i've had pre-invites before [07:47]
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BingoBoingo [07:47]
nubbins` strange thing, hey [07:47]
dub not uncommon here but I don't really get it [07:49]
dub if you know when, why not skip straight to the invite proper [07:49]
nubbins` I KNOW RIGHT [07:50]
nubbins` these people [07:50]
nubbins` i struggle to understand living a life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination of your aspirations [07:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5089 @ 0.00080051 = 4.0738 BTC [-] [07:51]
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nubbins` i mean, y'know, wedding invitations for sale [07:52]
nubbins` but [07:52]
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nubbins` srsly [07:52]
dub been to a couple of weddings involving several thousand dollars worth of international travel and accom for the guests, one of those had a save-the-date (STD?) [07:52]
nubbins` heh [07:52]
dub since such things are frequently cheapest booked earliest [07:52]
asciilifeform life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination << next: seppuku parties. save the date! [07:53]
nubbins` oddly enough, this job came to us via a trendy downtown ad agency [07:53]
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nubbins` asciilifeform please join steve and kristy as they ritually disembowel themselves! transportation to and from event provided [07:53]
asciilifeform nubbins`: does kristy get an 'apple corer' ? [07:54]
dub asciilifeform: expense of travel may be offset by reduced attendees, one couple claimed to have saved considerably [07:54]
nubbins` it was the only thing on the gift registry that i felt comfortable buying [07:54]
dub he is one of 14 kids [07:54]
dub sorry, his mother is [07:55]
dub upshot, 90% of his family couldnt make it [07:55]
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asciilifeform only thing on the gift registry that i felt comfortable buying << lol, i suggested it as the actual instrument of sepukku [08:00]
benkay mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. // hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? [08:04]
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benkay nubbins`: is there an auto insurance monopoly in your corner of the great untamed communist north? [08:04]
TheNewDeal tell us more benkay [08:04]
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benkay icbc [08:05]
benkay it's a monopoly [08:05]
benkay service sucks [08:05]
benkay what else do you want? [08:05]
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TheNewDeal how did they become a monopoly [08:05]
nubbins` benkay, nope [08:05]
TheNewDeal it's just like the game - no one cares about the ending, it's how you get there [08:05]
benkay pediwiki: "By law, any vehicle registered and driven or parked on public streets in British Columbia must purchase ICBC's basic insurance package from an independent broker. " [08:06]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell danielpbarron Checking out my KoL inventory... What sorts of uncommon things might you be interested in pricing... [08:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:06]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, there are so many items.. if you could get a screenshot or something.. [08:07]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well, time trappings, the whole outfit. [08:08]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, you might be better off selling it in the mall; I'm not really interested in buying stuff for BTC, if that's what you meant [08:09]
danielpbarron with the time trappings, the key is to use a wand to transform them into whatever item is selling for the most [08:10]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well, meat or BTC. I'd rather keep the trio together. TIme limited content and all that. [08:10]
dub KoL? [08:11]
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danielpbarron 20:43:11 <+mircea_popescu> why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ? << if it's anything like the counterparty burn for xcp, the software puts a limit on 1 BTC per burn, and their reason was to make it harder for whales to burn a huge amount too easily (to make it "more fair" for the little guys) [08:13]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, if you're getting back into playing, the time set is a nice thing to have; it's one of the most efficient ways to get extra adventures per day [08:14]
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danielpbarron you can get more efficient by ditching the hat and pants for other stuff, but the sword is the best hand held item for that purpose (i think) [08:14]
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BingoBoingo danielpbarron: It was indeed a nice pull from storage, but... Everything in this world is negotiable... And the set together has an added bonus [08:15]
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danielpbarron right, what i mean is, you can exceed that bonus with other gear, but we're talking about a difference of a few adventures per day [08:16]
benkay asciilifeform: regarding pumps, would a peristaltic work? [08:16]
benkay ;;gettrust assbot Rassah [08:16]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Rassah!~quassel@2601:a:f80:551:beae:c5ff:fe45:db9e. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jun 3 23:49:22 2011 [08:16]
asciilifeform [08:17]
assbot Tetris music on Stepper Motors! - YouTube [08:17]
benkay ;;gettrust kuzetsa [08:19]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user benkay to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012 [08:19]
benkay ;;gettrust assbot kuzetsa [08:19]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012 [08:19]
benkay kuzetsa: uses gribbles db, actually. if you've got a +1 from someone in assbot's wot, you can self-up as you've discovered. [08:20]
benkay light coupling, wot wot [08:20]
benkay if you know when, why not skip straight to the invite proper // this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight [08:23]
benkay i struggle to understand living a life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination of your aspirations // that's why they demand consummation immediately afterwards, to keep the void filled [08:23]
asciilifeform benkay: i considered peristaltic. turns out, others have tried - they end up 'burping' [08:23]
asciilifeform benkay: which is a shame, because old medical pumps are a dime a dozen on 'ebay.' [08:24]
benkay 'burping'? [08:24]
benkay asciilifeform: 'burping'? [08:24]
asciilifeform benkay: smallest 'quantum' of pumpage ends up being rather large. [08:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.0131 = 0.5109 BTC [+] [08:25]
benkay ah, makes sense. [08:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20591 @ 0.00080065 = 16.4862 BTC [+] [08:27]
asciilifeform << more for aficionados [08:30]
assbot Canon in D major - in stepper motor - YouTube [08:30]
dub prefer [08:35]
assbot We are the champions - YouTube [08:35]
asciilifeform lol [08:36]
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nubbins` [08:56]
assbot Rachmaninov Prelude in g minor - Op. 23 No. 5 - Gilels - YouTube [08:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.16 = 5.6 BTC [-] [08:57]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Ah, I see the time set declined in value as well due to competitive alternatives existing nao [08:58]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, yeah; the petrified time item is worth a lot more now since it's impossible to reverse the conversion [08:59]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well, it was always worth more than any part, but... Back in the say the set used to be a 100+ million meat sort of deal [09:00]
BingoBoingo Fuck, BTC would have been a better investment [09:00]
danielpbarron my hemp backpack lost a lot of value when they implemented the back inventory slot and released an official mr. store style backback :< [09:00]
danielpbarron went from nearly 100 million meat down to 30 something million now [09:01]
nubbins` i uh [09:01]
nubbins` oh, you're talking about a game [09:01]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: On the plus side ignoring the thing for 6+ years means there's new content nao at least [09:01]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Didn't you get the memo that BTC is money for games? [09:02]
nubbins` i thought btc was the game [09:03]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: BTC is the game that binds all other games [09:03]
nubbins` you're saying these things are MONEY?! [09:03]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Nah, I'm saying games are connected by games nao. [09:04]
BingoBoingo Games all the way down. [09:04]
nubbins` right, right [09:04]
danielpbarron i sent Jick a message for him to answer on his podcast, telling him he should accept BTC for Mr. A's; he shot it down and mostly focused on the "tone" i used [09:04]
danielpbarron then I started trying to buy/sell meat for BTC in the game's official chat; got a message from Multi Czar telling me i'd get my account disabled if i continued.. [09:05]
danielpbarron even though their terms of use don't explicitly forbid buying/selling meat [09:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.16 = 2.4 BTC [-] [09:06]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well, think more like mircea_popescu and what he did with Eve. You can trade shares of 1BTC corp for S.MPOE shares. Maybe start a 1BTMeat clan? [09:07]
danielpbarron i've got the counterparty thing; i think that is far enough removed from the act of buying/selling meat [09:08]
danielpbarron and I don't promote it in-game [09:08]
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danielpbarron most users of KoL are pretty hostile to BTC anyway; there is a very strong socialist bent in there [09:09]
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mircea_popescu hey moiety! [16:30]
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mircea_popescu dub: this is an invite but i've had pre-invites before << wtf is this invite to invite, ask to ask, meta bullshit anyway ? [16:56]
mircea_popescu do they send out "mr schmukersson will impulsively fuck mrs schmukersson thursday, august 15th around 7:12 pm, your presence is kindly solicited" spam too ? [16:57]
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mircea_popescu bah im fucking late to the party [16:58]
mircea_popescu yo peoples! YOU SHOULD HAVE SAVED MY DATE! [16:58]
pankkake uh, I got some altcoins to 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E [16:59]
pankkake someone made a mistake? [16:59]
Pierre_Rochard ;;rate princessnell 1 Rays fan [16:59]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user princessnell has been recorded. [16:59]
mircea_popescu benkay: hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? << kinda why i was so lulzed out at the entire "icbc is in pink sheets" nyse debacle. [16:59]
mircea_popescu that thing's probably worth more than the whole us atm. [16:59]
mircea_popescu ;;rated princessnell [16:59]
gribble You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 00:45:23 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: She's smart.. [16:59]
mircea_popescu aok [17:00]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: << if it's anything like the counterparty burn for xcp << supposedly this is not a burn, they intend to spend it. [17:01]
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mircea_popescu benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight. [17:02]
chetty [17:04]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: i sent Jick a message for him to answer on his podcast, telling him he should accept BTC for Mr. A's; he shot it down and mostly focused on the "tone" i used << incredible the gall of these fuckwits. [17:04]
assbot GPG Contracts | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute [17:04]
mircea_popescu here's nobody doing nothing, and he has like... opinions on bitcoin and issues with tone and whatnot ? [17:04]
mircea_popescu we need a bigger jail. [17:04]
mircea_popescu chetty yeah, the guys asked for permission to republish [17:05]
chetty benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.// yeah you get adults [17:06]
mircea_popescu Naphex so how was vacation ? new gf ? [17:06]
mircea_popescu chetty not you. women. [17:06]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: "- We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development." << funny they didn't reserve it before the fucking thing started. [17:07]
mircea_popescu translation : "that asshole mp is putting pressure on our liquidity providers (what, you didn't think we OWNED the btc we're presenting as having been invested by third parties ?!) and so we won't be able to keep the charade up without recirculating some capital. sorry!" [17:08]
ThickAsThieves [17:08]
pankkake hence [17:08]
assbot BTC is like a drug : Bitcoin [17:08]
assbot Im crying with joy over here, my toes are curling in untold glee, I have little doubt that I shall live to see this, all of it. : Buttcoin [17:08]
pankkake eh [17:09]
assbot Bitcoin taps into efficiencies in the camwhore market : Buttcoin [17:09]
mircea_popescu pankkake hehehe "btc did it [17:09]
mircea_popescu "Dear lord this is absolutely fucking grade-A insane. I had to read that first paragraph 4 times just because I just couldn't believe somebody would ever intentionally write something so convoluted. And it doesn't improve as the paper continues. In all seriousness, this reads almost exactly like the deranged manifestos that are left behind by school shooters, that is the vibe I get from whatever the fuck you want to ca [17:11]
mircea_popescu ll this" [17:11]
mircea_popescu i suppose the word he's looking for is "terrorism" [17:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there you go. it was not stalin's fault. the people wanted, nay, the people needed it. all of it. [17:12]
mike_c sometimes this channel is a sausage fest. save the date's are very reasonable. you don't have all the details figured out, but you know the day and don't want people to book something else. [17:13]
mircea_popescu "A verbose and condescending essay written by a child who has never encountered true malice or been hungry in his whole life." << o, "you've never been hungry thus what you have to say is unimportant". because yeah, that's true value : to find out from the frequently hungry how they dun it! [17:13]
pankkake > I work in the adult comic industry and we sometimes publish furry comics (anthropomorphic people) and we frequently get taking down by banks and payment processors for distributing "bestiality." [17:13]
mircea_popescu mike_c how do you know the date if you don';t have other things (presumably, the girl ?) figured out ? [17:13]
pankkake oh god, furries coming to bitcoin [17:14]
mircea_popescu afaik it goes like this : pick a girl, pick a date, party. [17:14]
mike_c hahaha. [17:14]
mircea_popescu pankkake no that's quite old. [17:14]
Pierre_Rochard chetty: please let us know if you have any other candidates for republication [17:14]
mike_c no. 1) pick a girl. 2) she picks the date [17:14]
mike_c 3) she starts planning for 6 months [17:14]
mircea_popescu mike_c you're not picking a girl then. [17:14]
mike_c 4) party [17:14]
mike_c hm, that is a point [17:15]
mike_c who would want to marry a girl? [17:15]
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mircea_popescu ask around :D [17:15]
mike_c full-grown woman is enough to manage. [17:15]
mircea_popescu why'd you marry a full grown woman ? [17:16]
ThickAsThieves my brother got surprise-eloped last week [17:16]
mircea_popescu they ran out of friendship cards in your town ? [17:16]
mike_c mircea_popescu: tax benefits. [17:17]
mircea_popescu trying to fix a problem with the town through marriage is not unlike trying to fix poor reception by holding the antenna in certain ways or a malfunctioning computer by running the tap nearby. [17:18]
chetty chetty: please let us know if you have any other candidates for republication// trilema is a gold mine [17:18]
mircea_popescu davout: was the new mpex key advertised anywhere ? << in faq and linked here. [17:19]
mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard the SA reddit subsection thinks you suck nao. [17:19]
davout mircea_popescu: yea, saw the link here but i was missing the signature bit [17:19]
mircea_popescu it's signed itself (there's a link to the pgp sks infrastructure with my signature on it) [17:19]
mircea_popescu a nm jurov said so. sorry, im parsing the logs rather than compiling them. [17:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how about this btw ? when confronted with the logs, i naturally settled on parsing rather than compiling. is this because im stupid or is this beause parsing is better ? [17:20]
benkay low investment upfront for middling-to-poor performance. [17:21]
benkay ;) [17:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you might have been thinking of 'interpret' [17:22]
Pierre_Rochard chetty: it is, I’ve been reading through as much as I can to see which articles are especially crypto/econ/bitcoin centered like GPG Contracts (and obvs to learn & think) [17:22]
mircea_popescu i go through it one ;line at a time and comment. sometimes this results in redundancy [17:22]
asciilifeform i suspect that most of us do this. [17:22]
ThickAsThieves cuz we wish we were there [17:23]
ThickAsThieves so we pretend [17:24]
ThickAsThieves and no one minds [17:24]
benkay wait ethsuisse? waht is this? [17:24]
ThickAsThieves its the dev team [17:24]
asciilifeform ;;later tell moiety shame that modern pc includes no addressable stepper motor. but if you own, e.g. a scanner, you can still play this beautiful music... [17:24]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:24]
kakobrekla or a floppy [17:25]
asciilifeform ;;later tell moiety a true maestro will play, say, j.s. bach, correctly! that is, gigantic lift motors for the low octaves, little floppy drive head drivers for the highest. [17:26]
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mircea_popescu so we pretend << srsly. [17:26]
asciilifeform ;;later tell moiety further example, if you liked - [17:27]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:27]
assbot CNC machine playing tetris and still alive - YouTube [17:27]
mthreat asciilifeform: the first IBM PC had some kind of relay, you could access it with the BASIC instruction "MOTOR ON" or "MOTOR OFF". If you turned it on and off in a loop, it was a buzzer. [17:27]
asciilifeform mthreat: the floppy. [17:27]
kakobrekla is this thing on? [17:27]
cazalla pankkake, that address is what BingoBoingo gave me to send ATC [17:28]
mthreat asciilifeform: I don't remember, maybe, but it sounded like a relay... [17:28]
benkay hi kakobrekla [17:28]
pankkake well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p [17:28]
kakobrekla a ok works . hi benkay . [17:28]
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mircea_popescu pankkake: mainstream media prepping the general public for inflation << precisely. [17:29]
mthreat asciilifeform: cassette drive motor possibly [17:29]
mircea_popescu nothing lulzier than watching teh propaganda machine trying to spin utter failure into being chic, hip, and what these blasted youngsters want. [17:30]
mircea_popescu well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO [17:30]
pankkake unfortunately there's no easy way to remove an address from bitcoin-qt [17:31]
pankkake and armory has a "swipe" feature, too [17:31]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron appears to be parlaying it up << the sign of a smart girl. you only need give a little push. [17:31]
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nubbins` where i come from, you're not cool unless your money is worth less today than it was yesterday [17:32]
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mthreat nubbins`: that's a lot of places [17:33]
mthreat starbucks raised their prices in Buenos Aires again yesterday. Since December 2013, the coffee I get has gone from 30 to 44 pesos [17:34]
mircea_popescu mthreat why do you drink starbucks tho ? [17:34]
fluffypony Pheeva put a TV ad out, it's actually kinda decent: [17:35]
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assbot Pheeva - Plus - Gyft - Troll TV Ad - YouTube [17:35]
mthreat mircea_popescu: because i don't know good vs. bad coffee probably, and it's the 2nd closest after Cafe Martinez (probably worse) [17:35]
princessnell Pierre_Rochard maybe and for posterity [17:35]
assbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:35]
assbot The politics of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:35]
assbot Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:35]
mircea_popescu mthreat i've never paid more than about 25 or so for coffee myself, and never had a bad cup yet. [17:36]
princessnell Pierre_Rochard rota case study (i <3 law and econ) and and [17:36]
assbot The MPEx Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:36]
mircea_popescu had some pretty good, not much of a coffee drinker myself, but i mean... they prolly import their shit. [17:36]
assbot Case I - Wences vs MPEx, Breach of fiduciary duty pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:36]
assbot ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:36]
cazalla i wouldn't use pheeva on account the dev is fat albert [17:36]
pankkake [17:37]
assbot The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:37]
pankkake [17:37]
assbot The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:37]
mthreat mircea_popescu: I get the "venti" (20oz) size [17:37]
princessnell Pierre_Rochard also probably WoT lit [17:37]
assbot Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it defends itself. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:37]
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Pierre_Rochard princessnell: thanks! mircea_popescu: permission to republish? In general longer/older/timeless articles go to the literature section, shorter/newer/“current events” go to the Memory Pool. [17:38]
nubbins` mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks [17:38]
nubbins` you may be surprised to learn that coffee has a taste [17:38]
cazalla hipster baristas up in here [17:39]
nubbins` crikey mate, you have hipsters down under? [17:39]
cazalla i live in the capital of hipsters, feminists, greenies in australia : [17:40]
nubbins` knowing what i know about you, this must drive you to the brink of suicide each day [17:40]
mircea_popescu aite, gotta do some meetings nao. bbl all. [17:41]
cazalla nubbins`, i'll out and see them do it first [17:42]
cazalla hold out* [17:42]
nubbins` that's my boy [17:43]
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kakobrekla GOOD MORNING EQUEX [17:43]
nubbins` "i live in a place with stylish young people, independent women, and those who care about our natural environment. it's a real drag." [17:44]
cazalla they are none of those things though [17:44]
nubbins` to you, sure [17:44]
cazalla if they cared about their environment, they'd at least grow veg and raise their own meat at bare minimum [17:45]
nubbins` just like you're not a reasonable adult worthy of dignity and respect... to them [17:45]
nubbins` :D [17:45]
nubbins` is that the bare minimum tho? [17:45]
cazalla if they were independent, they wouldn't need handouts while undertaking women's studies [17:45]
nubbins` raising your own meat? [17:45]
cazalla i think so [17:45]
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cazalla although if you asked any of them, they'd tell you i'm running rabbit auschwitz here [17:46]
nubbins` you know raising meat animals in the first place isn't particularly great for the environment [17:46]
nubbins` hm, china received $34m in foreign aid from canada in 2012 [17:47]
nubbins` [17:48]
assbot Canada's Foreign Aid spending around the world | CIDP | Canadian International Development Platform [17:48]
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rithm SFW noob video: [17:49]
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pankkake $56M to Russia [17:50]
ThickAsThieves NSFW you meant [17:50]
cazalla depends where you work eh [17:50]
ThickAsThieves well they didnt invent NSFW for sex workers [17:50]
mthreat !b 3 [17:51]
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nubbins` $65m to gaza & west bank [17:52]
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cazalla china and russia given aid, shows how little i know [17:54]
mike_c "So more economic growth (spurred on by more borrowing and spending) would help alleviate low wage growth" .. and i'm done. [17:55]
penguirker New blog post: [17:56]
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assbot Ivy League Schools Are Overrated. Send Your Kids Elsewhere. | New Republic [18:08]
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ThickAsThieves "Before he started college, he spent most of his time reading and writing short stories. Three years later, he’s painfully insecure, worrying about things my public-educated friends don’t give a second thought to, like the stigma of eating lunch alone and whether he’s “networking” enough. " [18:09]
pankkake “Return on investment”: that’s the phrase you often hear today when people talk about college. [18:11]
pankkake college graduates are bagholders [18:11]
benkay benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.// yeah you get adults // team effort, anyone? [18:13]
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penguirker New blog post: [18:14]
nubbins` the stigma of eating lunch alone [18:14]
nubbins` i tell ya, worlds you didn't know existed [18:14]
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benkay well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO // yeah, i'm also curious as to what's going on here [18:15]
benkay morning, bitcoinpete [18:15]
bitcoinpete howdy benkay [18:15]
benkay how was pottery? [18:15]
pankkake I gave the private key to MP at a time I wasn't sure I could even transfer the coins in a timely manner [18:15]
pankkake so the private key is now known to multiple people [18:16]
pankkake and in multiple bitcoin clients [18:16]
bitcoinpete benkay: my hands are still stained from the autumn leaves glaze [18:16]
pankkake (well, altcoin) [18:16]
benkay gotcha. [18:17]
benkay this rescanning the blockchain thing is a total bitch, isn't it? [18:17]
bitcoinpete benkay: but for it being my first time on the wheel in a close to 15 years, quite well :D [18:17]
benkay what, after all, is the point of a "database" if one's not going to actually organize data in a useful fashion within? [18:18]
benkay unfortunately there's no easy way to remove an address from bitcoin-qt // delete from wallet.dat? or is that not actually a text file? [18:19]
ThickAsThieves bitcoinpete, unless i need more coffee, mp isnt allowing people to short ETH, he's allowing them to long it [18:19]
pankkake it's a Berkeley DB file [18:19]
pankkake there are tools to edit it, though [18:19]
ThickAsThieves they get more ETH for their money now [18:19]
benkay what an unmitigated goddamned disaster. [18:20]
ThickAsThieves but MP doesnt buy it til later [18:20]
bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: they get more later [18:20]
ThickAsThieves some would have to lend ETH to short it [18:20]
bitcoinpete mp is selling eth [18:20]
ThickAsThieves who's lending? [18:20]
ThickAsThieves ETH [18:20]
bitcoinpete not me ;) [18:20]
ThickAsThieves hehe [18:20]
benkay Pierre_Rochard also probably WoT lit // woterotica [18:20]
ThickAsThieves so no way to short it [18:21]
benkay 'cept the classic popescuian naked short [18:21]
bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: [18:21]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [18:21]
bitcoinpete benkay: lol [18:22]
bitcoinpete pretty sure he has his ways [18:22]
ThickAsThieves ^o^ [18:22]
benkay 70% odds it's a naked short. [18:22]
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ThickAsThieves i still dont see how I get to short ETH by entering MP's future offer [18:23]
benkay mp's going short, and offering to sell the thing to anyone at a future date below what it's selling for now. [18:23]
ThickAsThieves right [18:23]
benkay if mp's going short, how can you go short by taking the other side of his trade? [18:23]
ThickAsThieves this is my point [18:24]
benkay who's claiming that he's offering a vehicle for others to short? [18:24]
pankkake I think that's incorrect too. it allows you to get a better price if you're long, or MAYBE short it as long as you think it's won't go as low as 2.5x less [18:24]
ThickAsThieves bitcoinpete says "Effectively, MP is allowing you to “short” ETH." [18:24]
bitcoinpete lol to the correction car! [18:25]
benkay oh, bitcoinpete does derivatives now? [18:25]
ThickAsThieves just making sure we stay on-message! [18:25]
pankkake wait, why the fuck are they callimg themselves ETH Suisse? I just remembered: [18:25]
assbot cole polytechnique fdrale de Zurich Wikipdia [18:25]
ThickAsThieves solidarity! [18:25]
ThickAsThieves for the motherland! [18:25]
benkay pankkake: "credit suisse" perhaps? [18:25]
ThickAsThieves or, i think bitcoinpete is cool so i dont want to see him have errors in his shit [18:26]
benkay -assets proofreading is best proofreading. [18:26]
benkay i am deploy from car [18:27]
bitcoinpete s/short/long [18:27]
benkay devops borat would approve [18:27]
bitcoinpete if that vernacular works... [18:27]
benkay it's almost like you use a real text editor too, bitcoinpete! [18:27]
bitcoinpete "to short" sounds so much better than "to long" [18:27]
benkay ;) [18:28]
bitcoinpete ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 drinks coffee, knows derivativespeak [18:28]
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benkay to go long [18:29]
benkay to take a long position [18:29]
benkay (in) [18:29]
ThickAsThieves i'd say you could almost short it if you bought real ETH, sold off-market for slight discount, then repurchased from MP, but you'd still be betting only on the availble spread, if price dropped below MP's offer, your short would be fukt ... even then they tell you cant do anyhting with the ETH til genblock is made... soooo [18:29]
bitcoinpete to golong [18:29]
ThickAsThieves he's basiclaly selling ETH at a discount [18:29]
ThickAsThieves cheapcoinz! [18:29]
bitcoinpete right! [18:29]
benkay ;;ticker [18:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 621.01, Best ask: 622.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.86000, Last trade: 622.87, 24 hour volume: 2729.87411553, 24 hour low: 618.0, 24 hour high: 624.99, 24 hour vwap: 621.168150006 [18:29]
benkay ThickAsThieves: scammor [18:30]
bitcoinpete the smart kids will be all over mp's offer [18:30]
ThickAsThieves haha [18:30]
ThickAsThieves soon [18:30]
benkay what's smart about buying ether? [18:30]
ThickAsThieves nothing [18:30]
benkay wine with shit in it is still just shitty wine [18:30]
pankkake price is tempting regardless [18:30]
bitcoinpete benkay: beats me, ask the *kids* buying the shit [18:31]
ThickAsThieves you could argue that the noob hypewagen is strong enough to carry ETH value above MP's offer [18:31]
mike_c but shitty wine at half price! [18:31]
bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: entirely possible [18:31]
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benkay i guess a hedge against ether going somewhere isn't such a bad idea, but it totally fails the good investments criteria. [18:32]
benkay starting with not actually existing. [18:32]
benkay it's just the whole "i missed btc, maybe this will make me rich" self delusion alllllllll over again. [18:32]
ThickAsThieves i think the best part about the offer is it's potential to disrupt the live offering [18:32]
pankkake if you look at similar coins, like nxt and ripple, they're still valued quite high [18:33]
benkay vb & co. imagine they're actually doing something, but they're just draining the wallets of latecomers [18:33]
ThickAsThieves i'd love for people to be buying from MP instead of the actual people [18:33]
princessnell i love that it reveals the exhuberance [18:33]
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benkay "quite high" sure, but are they going to go from .01 US per to 10k per? [18:34]
bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: they still need the patience tho [18:34]
bitcoinpete 8 months is 8 years for "i wanna rich nao" ppl [18:34]
pankkake benkay: not my point, my point is about taking MP's offer [18:34]
ThickAsThieves and it's an audience that hates mp, soooo, fat chance [18:34]
asciilifeform is everyone familiar with the proverbial 'money trap' ? [18:34]
ThickAsThieves maybe he can buy their love [18:34]
bitcoinpete asciilifeform: do tell [18:34]
asciilifeform container with, say, banana, and a hole big enough for the beast's hand, but not if it holds the bait [18:35]
ThickAsThieves isnt that a Tom hanks movie? [18:35]
bitcoinpete ThickAsThieves: maybe if they were camgirls [18:35]
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Pierre_Rochard ;;rate bitcoinpete 2 Amoraim of b-a [18:35]
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bitcoinpete hand in a cookie jar thing [18:35]
benkay pankkake: yeah, i know what you're saying. this discussion hearkens back to a thing a wise old man harps on about how if you can have the patience to see past the next 6 months to two years you can make trades the rest of the market won't consider because they want 17%/annum *now* [18:35]
ThickAsThieves Sexy Saffron better not tell reddit she's an mp employee [18:35]
asciilifeform monkey reaches in, grasps banana, refuses to let go, sits there. until hunter shows up. [18:35]
bitcoinpete Pierre_Rochard: why ty [18:35]
asciilifeform this is quite analogous to the altchain folks [18:35]
bitcoinpete asciilifeform: also how herschel tricked one of the channukah goblins. eggs in the jar iirc [18:36]
benkay bitcoinpete: yup. [18:36]
pigeons hey mircea_popescu I havent followed, but i saw you are selling eth foward contract or similar. I wanted to suggest putting something similar on mpex, i think that would do well [18:36]
asciilifeform if any of them took the trouble to write something interesting (e.g. system analogous to the original btc but of proper, rather than 'power ranger' quality) and resisted the temptation of premine shenanigans, etc. - but no. [18:37]
asciilifeform can't let go of banana. [18:37]
benkay asciilifeform: even if they could reimplement the thing from scratch, it still wouldn't touch btc proper. [18:37]
benkay and they can't "let go of banana" and write a real wallet, adding value to the ecosystem. [18:38]
pigeons oh dont tell me mpex is still down from weeks ago? [18:38]
kakobrekla power ranger has infinite hitpoints. [18:38]
benkay, pigeons [18:38]
pigeons thanks [18:38]
benkay .co works as well for me iirc [18:38]
pigeons go isnt working at the moment from my location at least [18:39]
pigeons co [18:39]
ThickAsThieves mpex.wallstreet [18:41]
bitcoinpete Nassim N. Taleb @nntaleb · 38m Up to 19thC, people in the Levant changed religion to stay in the land. Today they change land to keep religion. (Druzes⇒Maronites⇔Shiites) << sounds downright civilized [18:41]
asciilifeform benkay: point is not that a hypothetical altchain created by thinking people would displace traditional btc, but that it is theoretically possible to build something that's at least worth thinking about. [18:43]
bitcoinpete asciilifeform: but that'll never get teh community on board. teh views! [18:44]
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asciilifeform no shortage of possible experiments to choose from (e.g. Lamportian 67% theoretical maximum threshold (see 'byzantine generals') instead of 51; programmable work functions; a hundred other things) [18:45]
asciilifeform !s turingcoin [18:46]
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pankkake !s coincoin [18:46]
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asciilifeform but no. somehow altchain folks can only think of duplicating spam stock business model. [18:47]
benkay actual programmers being few and far between. [18:47]
chetty [18:47]
assbot Islamic State Says Mannequins Must Wear Veils [18:47]
benkay maul? [18:50]
bitcoinpete [18:51]
assbot BPS Research Digest: What the textbooks don't tell you - one of psychology's most famous experiments was seriously flawed [18:51]
benkay actual programmers being few and far between. // not to imply anything about myself, ofc just a derpy webapp guy [18:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.0142 = 0.8094 BTC [+] [18:56]
chetty [18:57]
assbot BPS Research Digest: A self-fulfilling fallacy? [18:57]
bitcoinpete ;;nethash [18:59]
gribble 129685563.491 [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81503056 BTC to 12`514 shares, 14504 satoshi per share [18:59]
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bitcoinpete "SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks: Plan Would Allow Money Funds to Temporarily Block Investors from Withdrawing Money in Times of Stress" [19:01]
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benkay hohoho yes link please, bitcoinpete [19:01]
bitcoinpete [19:01]
assbot SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks - WSJ [19:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 23.66675304 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2058 satoshi per share [19:01]
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trixisowned neh [19:02]
trixisowned just wanted to lol @ together [19:03]
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bitcoinpete trixisowned: myeah. almost passed mastercoin exodus thing of 4740.6200979 BTC [19:05]
benkay so. sad. [19:05]
danielpbarron [19:06]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr [19:06]
danielpbarron 2`130.83749757 BTC burned [19:06]
benkay "The vote ends more than five years of struggle over how to address structural vulnerabilities in the funds that encourage investors to bolt at the first sign of trouble." LTCM anyone? [19:08]
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ThickAsThieves SEC Seeks To Install Ponzi Throttle [19:12]
ThickAsThieves "Financial Stability Oversight Council, have said such redemption restrictions could spur, rather than curb, investor stampedes." indeed [19:14]
benkay ThickAsThieves: [19:15]
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ThickAsThieves "Under the plan, fund boards would have the discretion to impose redemption fees of up to 2%, or to temporarily halt redemptions altogether, if their weekly pool of cash or cash like assets drops below the agency's required ratio of 30%" [19:16]
ThickAsThieves your investments, now 70% off! [19:17]
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ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [19:19]
gribble Current Blocks: 312136 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18789848431.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.38432 [19:19]
mike_c is going to get fixed ever? or is it just dead. [19:21]
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ThickAsThieves it's now [19:22]
ThickAsThieves and some other one [19:22]
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mike_c ok. so .co isn't coming back [19:22]
ThickAsThieves that i dont know [19:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.01425 = 0.6983 BTC [-] [19:25]
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bitcoinpete benkay: mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. // hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? << i think only bc is socialist enough to do this [19:32]
bitcoinpete bc wants to be like california and shit [19:32]
bitcoinpete with their own little movie industry and everything [19:33]
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bitcoinpete time to catch up on weird al... [19:34]
lobbes the problem I have with weird al nowadays is that I don't even know the songs he is parodying anymore [19:36]
bitcoinpete lobbes: sounds more like your problem than his ;) [19:38]
bitcoinpete << nice little stab at dogederps [19:38]
nubbins` how's it compare to rates in the rest of canada? [19:39]
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bitcoinpete nubbins`: not too sure [19:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 407 @ 0.00277422 = 1.1291 BTC [+] {7} [19:46]
danielpbarron bitcoinpete, hahah same here [19:47]
danielpbarron weird al was the first artist I ever bought a cd for; I heard his parodies before the originals [19:47]
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danielpbarron so i guess.. not same here.... heh [19:48]
danielpbarron oh, lobbes said that; whoops [19:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 341 @ 0.00284852 = 0.9713 BTC [+] {6} [19:54]
pankkake $proxies [19:54]
empyex pankkake: Proxies: MPEx-Status: 1060 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [19:54]
benkay $mpexlag [19:55]
empyex benkay: 561 milliseconds [19:55]
pankkake !search goxlag [19:56]
assbot 138 results for 'goxlag' : [19:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 527 @ 0.00285959 = 1.507 BTC [-] {4} [20:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.0028841 = 0.721 BTC [+] {6} [20:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.140384 = 7.0192 BTC [-] {2} [20:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1403 = 0.8418 BTC [-] [20:19]
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benkay [20:21]
assbot Open Name System [20:21]
danielpbarron neato; is this a Namecoin killer? [20:22]
benkay can't say yet need moar read [20:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.13374999 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2} [20:24]
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bitcoinpete [20:26]
assbot Sense: Know More. Sleep Better. by Hello — Kickstarter [20:26]
bitcoinpete "The app tells you how well you slept, or didn't, by giving you a unique Sleep Score each night. You can begin to correlate interruptions in your sleep to external conditions and disturbances. You can play back key sound disturbances via the app to say “Ah, the garbage truck broke my sleep cycle at 3am. I didn’t even realize that.” [20:27]
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bitcoinpete $99 and it's yours. delivery estimated in november 2014 [20:28]
asciilifeform bitcoinpete: already done, ages ago, by various vendors ('zeo' - now defunct - had a fairly good machine.) [20:28]
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bitcoinpete nao with apps! [20:29]
bitcoinpete [20:30]
assbot Battle of the Zzzs: How Zeo's Sleep Monitors Stack Up - Forbes [20:30]
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asciilifeform the funny part is that wearing the electrodes utterly destroyed my sleep quality. and, on the other hand, the variants without electrodes ('actigraph' gadgets) are junk - they can only distinguish 'REM' from other phases of sleep, but nothing more. [20:33]
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danielpbarron bitcoinpete, i already have a free app that does that sort of thing.. ended up deleting it because too many apps [20:37]
bitcoinpete ya i once used one too [20:38]
danielpbarron it figures it out based on your movements as you sleep [20:38]
bitcoinpete but it only worked on my old spring mattress [20:38]
bitcoinpete foam soaks up all the vibrations [20:38]
danielpbarron i used it with success on a sofa [20:38]
bitcoinpete and by vibrations i mean tossing and turning [20:39]
bitcoinpete danielpbarron: ya i could see that [20:39]
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asciilifeform reminds me of a legend (forgot where i heard it, perhaps even here.) [20:43]
asciilifeform one fellow, (said to have lived in romania) built piezos into his bed legs [20:43]
asciilifeform and logged pressure [20:43]
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asciilifeform one day he went on a long journey, and when came back, discovered that max(weight) > him + wife. [20:44]
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asciilifeform whether he stayed awake in school math and had the sense to look at the actual waveform (perhaps wife was fond of jumping on the bed?) before divorcing, i do not know. [20:46]
bitcoinpete lol [20:47]
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bitcoinpete sorta like othello with the handkerchief [20:48]
bitcoinpete she had to be cheatin! [20:48]
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bitcoinpete "But for those who missed out on getting in on Bitcoin early, Ethereum's launch represents something of another chance." [20:54]
bitcoinpete << says it all [20:54]
assbot Ethereum Launches Ether - Business Insider [20:54]
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benkay I WAS JUST SAYING THIS [20:54]
pankkake and I said it before you all, about all altcoins :) [20:55]
benkay cept i guess "there will never be another {silicon,internet,bitcoin}" doesn't push views [20:57]
bitcoinpete and it's only fair if everyone gets rich! [20:57]
mike_c we are all above average drivers. [20:58]
bitcoinpete with above average cocks [20:58]
mike_c except the irish [20:58]
bitcoinpete pretty sure the irish have below average everything [20:58]
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bitcoinpete but what do i know [20:59]
bitcoinpete well i know that this is hirarious: "Big Trend Capital Investment (HASH): We are engaged as a distributor of mining products and a novel mining service. We primarily service retail customers through storefronts such as Amazon, EBay, and our own eStore at" [20:59]
bitcoinpete [20:59]
pankkake never another silicon? [20:59]
assbot Havelock Investments [20:59]
bitcoinpete dat ipo [21:00]
bitcoinpete and i'm off. later! [21:00]
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pankkake but indeed, there will never be another internet. especially with ipv6 [21:01]
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benkay i mean the kind of sociocultural upheaval that accompanied silicon and then the internet, and will eventually fall out of bitcoin, pankkake [21:04]
benkay centralization of markets resulting in companies like ebay [21:04]
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benkay danielpbarron: the little reading i've done suggests that it's not a namecoin killer, as that'd require...studying existing solutions and then doing it better. i've yet to find much support fot eh notion that the folks involved have done any research at all yet. [21:07]
benkay "As of yet, no work has been done on adding support for blockchain domains to ONS and the ONS command line tools." [21:07]
pankkake ugh, it's [21:11]
pankkake they just do the same, but less, and worse [21:11]
thestringpuller naemcoin is kinda cool tho [21:11]
pankkake and they're really misleading users [21:11]
thestringpuller = facebook with gpg [21:12]
thestringpuller didn't this already go down with ? [21:12]
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benkay keybase wanted your 'encrypted' private keys. [21:20]
asciilifeform self-service gasenwagen. wave of the future. amazing! technology. [21:20]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:20]
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benkay man the derp brigade is out in force today [21:38]
benkay [21:38]
assbot ProveTrust [21:38]
benkay "play good with others" lost art of grammar [21:39]
pankkake because no one can fake a facebook account [21:40]
benkay quite the deep learners [21:40]
pankkake and confusing trust (what businesses want) and identity verification (what the tax man wants) [21:41]
pankkake omg, sometimes reddit delivers [21:42]
assbot over 18? [21:42]
benkay countdown to sub termination: 10... [21:43]
pankkake [21:44]
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asciilifeform benkay: sham-wots are as inevitable as shamchains. [21:45]
asciilifeform they taste great together. like der fuhrer's walther and cyanide capsule. [21:45]
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thestringpuller benkay: i like how many companies are appearing that can just be subverted with the WoT. [22:29]
benkay i don't. it's a phenomenal waste of human capital. [22:30]
thestringpuller just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards. [22:32]
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midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I found that labour-intensive salt cooking reference I mentioned the other day: [22:37]
assbot A bite of China English subtitles EP1 The Gift of the Nature - YouTube [22:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9407 @ 0.00005999 = 0.5643 BTC [+] {2} [22:42]
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benkay just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards. // biodiesel [22:48]
fluffypony mircea_popescu could be the largest æthereum holder with ease, yo - [22:58]
assbot [RFC] thereum: a turing-complete coin distributed as per bitcoin's blockchain [22:58]
thestringpuller so Ethereum tx script's are turing complete? [23:00]
thestringpuller that sounds slightly dangerous on some levels... [23:00]
fluffypony yes - this is æthereum tho [23:01]
thestringpuller ~_~ @_@ <.<;; I don't know and have no opinion. [23:01]
fluffypony which, from what I understand, is a fork that lets you just pick up the æthereum equivalent of your BTC balance [23:01]
thestringpuller except that Taaki is not a "bitcoin legend" >:( [23:01]
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mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard:mircea_popescu: permission to republish? << well, no. an article is one thing, but wholesale copying of trilema serves little purpose. put up an adnotated article list if you want, that seems to serve your purpose better, or if not do commentary on the individual articles [23:39]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks << talking to ex-us-mil guy, "i'll tell you what starbucks is. back in the force, they'd make these largish tanks of coffee at the crack of down, keep them on reheat, throw them out at night. starbucks is pretty much like a drink out of that tank right before it getting thrown out. which is why they put all the cream and crap into it : gotta try and mas [23:41]
mircea_popescu k the badly burnt coffee" [23:41]
mircea_popescu nubbins`:"i live in a place with stylish young people, independent women, and those who care about our natural environment. it's a real drag." << i can see it. [23:42]
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chetty [23:45]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: understood, we’ll go the annotated article list route [23:45]
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mircea_popescu chetty for the record, the peso was trading 12.2 - 12.7 yesterday [23:47]
mircea_popescu so their graphs are the usual crap. [23:47]
mircea_popescu also it never touched 12.x in march, talking out of ass these ppls. [23:48]
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chetty yeah well people talk street price kinda need a street :P [23:48]
mthreat chetty, mircea_popescu I got 12.2 pesos per USD 2 hours ago [23:50]
mircea_popescu mthreat exactly. [23:50]
mthreat to pay for bad coffee [23:50]
mircea_popescu mthreat actually i see it's 12.3x atm. [23:51]
chetty mthreat, seriously stay out of chatbucks, will rot your gut [23:51]
mthreat ya, i usually get under the top "blue rate", but my cueva hasn't given me fake money [23:51]
mircea_popescu pankkake: and in multiple bitcoin clients << i never bothered to get a client myself so there's that. [23:51]
mircea_popescu mthreat i've not yet had a fake bill either. [23:52]
mircea_popescu in about... i dunno, a bagful or so. [23:52]
mthreat mircea_popescu maybe the cost of production is > than the value heh [23:52]
mircea_popescu money here's a real joke, largest bill ~$8 [23:52]
chetty I am thinking fake bills are a myth [23:52]
mircea_popescu mthreat they're printing like crazy for sure, tho. usually i get ~40% new bills, but the last few buys i got 80-100% new bills. [23:52]
mthreat sounds like the US :) [23:53]
mircea_popescu chetty just, cheaper for the govt to print em than for the independent crooks [23:53]
mircea_popescu so they drive them out of biz. [23:53]
mircea_popescu benkay: or is that not actually a text file? << hasn't been a texrfile for all of two years. [23:54]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: [23:55]
mircea_popescu so no way to short it << im shorting it. [23:55]
BingoBoingo [23:55]
BingoBoingo [23:55]
assbot Reptilians: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [23:55]
mircea_popescu it does allow you to go into a technical short, by buying the future and selling your spot, if you hold any. [23:56]
mircea_popescu but this is a point of finesse [23:56]
mircea_popescu (basically it ensures that no institutionals will be holding eth today for the purpose of satysfying a mid or long term goal, is all) [23:57]
BingoBoingo %t [23:57]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 239 Last Price: 239 24h-Vol: 114k High: 239 Low: 210 VWAP: 222 [23:57]
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assbot Uncover Obamacare | 11 of 12 Undercover Federal Agents Find It Incredibly Easy to Defraud ObamaCare [23:57]
BingoBoingo %ob [23:57]
atcbot 18k@242 47k@240 2k@239 | 140k@210 200k@202 45k@201 [23:57]
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assbot 5 reasons the Bitcoin Bowl is good for Tampa Bay's tech scene - Tampa Bay Business Journal [23:58]
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BingoBoingo ^ Note BitPay isn't in Tampa Bay [23:59]
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