Forum logs for 22 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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felipelalli	I just wrote an article about my short experience in Qntra.net / #bitcoin-assets https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/qntra-net-a-toca-do-coelho/	[00:24]
assbot	Qntra.net: a toca do coelho \| Yeppuda Productions ... ( http://bit.ly/1zxLfIz )	[00:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up benjamindees	[00:38]
-assbot-	You voiced benjamindees for 30 minutes.	[00:38]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/21/yes-i-was-a-racist-and-im-mentally-ill-shanley-kane-in-shocking-social-media-meltdown/	[00:38]
assbot	'Yes, I was a racist' admits Shanley Kane - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiN3Fi )	[00:38]
kakobrekla	translated as "gang of noise" lol	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/2Y9D905 << is this like... woodcollector, the "ceo" version ? ?	[00:39]
assbot	dpaste: 2Y9D905 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiNmjp )	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	ceocollector	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol.	[00:40]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015/01/isc-biowar-kr-cn.pdf (scan) << usg use of bioweapons in kr war. detailed study.	[00:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JiNWOi )	[00:41]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: But means signal to noise. I assume Mike Hearn forked Google Translate too.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:42]
kakobrekla	i like the gang of noise.	[00:42]
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decimation	lulzy gavin conversation	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i don't get it. why are we thinking some ex-gf of some failed gofundme capitalist is famous or something ?	[00:43]
felipelalli	"gang of noise" makes any sense in English?	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	let her grow an ass like kim, make pics and come back.	[00:44]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: She's the one who said something to the effect of Linux community needing to grow the balls to expel Linus or some shit.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	and nobody cared.	[00:45]
kakobrekla	felipelalli well its a decent description of things. the name and the article. most people even fail to assemble that.	[00:45]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo was out all night	[00:45]
nubbins`	didja see where he called a guy a fag?	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Like a cigarette?	[00:45]
nubbins`	like a homosexual male	[00:45]
felipelalli	kakobrekla: Not sure if it is a compliment, but thank you!	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, like ChangeTip she too recieved venture capital for a blog.	[00:46]
kakobrekla	if it does not contain "fuck you" its a compliment.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Don't higher compliments on this channel normally contain "fuck you"?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	wenture capital for a BLOG ?!?!	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Indeed.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	what exactly, to pay the blogspot hosting bill ?	[00:47]
kakobrekla	yes but those are different fucks.	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: To pay the, worked for a cloud bullshit company, violated the non-compete, and needed merit washed.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	these fucking imbecile children of their imbecile mothers already. oh, college is too hard for you ? let's change the admission criteria! you wanna start a business but you're as dumb as fuckinmg rocks ? that's ok, start a blog instead. you wanna be a hacker too ? fine, fine, just edit some pronouns in other people's githubs.	[00:48]
felipelalli	kakobrekla: lol.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	i have no fucking idea why anyone'd put up with it for five minutes.	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And this is why I never got the appeal of 4chan except as distilled in retrospectives though Encyclopedia Dramatica	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	i thought ed mostly did lj	[00:49]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Only at the start. Deviating so far from LJ is why it had a hardfork crisis the coredevs lost.	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The founding of the funded blawg http://blog.ameliagreenhall.com/post/what-it-was-like-to-co-found-model-view-culture-with-shanley-kane	[00:50]
assbot	Amelia Greenhall — What it was like to co-found Model View Culture with Shanley Kane ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiQCeA )	[00:50]
mats	a lol.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	ah	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	i thought the "coredevs" left because the guy grew up and the girl grew fat	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	well, she was always fat, but, whatever.	[00:51]
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BingoBoingo	The girl was always fat, and weev was in jail. Girl fatlogiced a family and worksafe site then shuttered ED. The id didn't like that.	[00:51]
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nubbins`	"everyone else is a goat the same age and gender as me"	[00:52]
nubbins`	mp i think that is actually burned into my brain now	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	anyway, so this entire "abuse", "racism" whatever libertard bullshit / paralegal paralogistic construction is finally reaching that necessary point in its evolution where it mostly consumes itself.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah well...	[00:53]
decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986212 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986214 << did 'distinction' strike anyone else as rather arbitrary?	[00:53]
assbot	Logged on 21-01-2015 18:11:24; gavinandresen: a soft fork means miners must upgrade, or their blocks will be rejected.	[00:53]
assbot	Logged on 21-01-2015 18:11:39; gavinandresen: a hard fork means everybody running a full node must upgrade, or they will be on a different chain	[00:53]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: This is why it is better to be a Ram than a goat. Sure, techinally you are sheep, but who can oppose you when you are angry? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1fUzkqwbQ	[00:53]
assbot	Angry Ram takes on a 6 ton digger - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JiRqQP )	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	decimation how you mean ?	[00:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: for something consuming itself, it's astonishingly alive and kicking.	[00:54]
decimation	To my way of thinking, either the protocol is broken or it isn't	[00:55]
decimation	whether they want to create it or not, there is a spec	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	decimation contrary to what superficially is being claimed, bitcoin really consists of two consensuses.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	one is the consensus that allows for new blocks to be mined.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	the other is the consensus that allows for transactions to be accepted as valid.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's more of a forest fire, and will burn until there is nothing to burn.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	these two have a lot of overlap, of course.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	or until someone puts it out.	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Ourobourus eating itself as of this year. New in the public discussions of that crowd	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i disagree, myself.	[00:56]
decimation	Labeling one consensus as 'hard' and another as 'soft' doesn't seem to be a good use of language	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	a fire affects everything, related or not. this is more like cancer : it affects the victim, but not the chasir he sits on or the op fucking them in the ass.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation that is happenstance, arriving from the very haphazard manner in which abstraction works out of the group of power rangers	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	they don't proceed from an in depth understanding of the thing, but merely by and by, as experience allows.	[00:57]
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mircea_popescu	this worm's progress made them use those words because apparently one is more of a bitch than the other.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	!s the camel has two humps	[00:57]
assbot	5 results for 'the camel has two humps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+camel+has+two+humps	[00:57]
decimation	yes, that much is obvious: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#985357	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so basically, im saying "this certain part of the us is now so infested, the cancer is mostly eating other cancer"	[00:58]
assbot	Logged on 21-01-2015 02:59:39; Luke-Jr: I think the db_config patch may explain why it works, but could be potentially inadequate for the current consensus rules	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	decimation Luke-Jr generally pretends that things he doesn't like don't actually exist. this is the case in pretty much every line he utters, crafted to support his particular mental issues.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	in this case, he conveniently neglects the point that there is no such thing as CURRENT consensus, in any way distinct from trhe actual consensus	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	as verified by a 5.x node	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	decimation Luke-Jr generally pretends that things he doesn't like don't actually exist. this is the case in pretty much every line he utters, crafted to support his particular mental issues. << Things like Popes	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	now, he'd like for it to be the case, obviously, because that'd imply that the "Work" the power rangers have been doing for the past year is worth more than zero, which is a proposition he holds dear for obvious reasons.	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	In much the same way he'd like a miner on a bench at BFL to have been a miner on his testing bench	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	right.	[01:01]
decimation	to be fair, he did express some level of interest in the foundation project. perhaps he knows what is really true in his hindbrain	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i suppose it comes as one of those "nobody could have predicted" things to these people that the entire pile of crap they've been amassing over the years can and for that matter likely will simply be thrown out and forgotten.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	a naive stance, but then again neckbeards aren't exactly known for worldliness.	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Probably to an extent. Luke-Jr has a rather sort of logical structure organizing his schtick which seems self consistent while entirely problematic.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	"So his mom cut him off from wiping his ass for him when he turned 18 and now he thinks the ladies owe him blowjobs. I hope bitcoin collapses just to fuck this guy."	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	apparently reddit really likes me, in unrelated news.	[01:04]
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BingoBoingo	lol	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Where was this?	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam/comments/2rzhvq/bitcoin_thought_leader_takes_a_moment_to/cnmwalf << something that apparently exists.	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[01:07]
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decimation	asciilifeform: did you use libusb-0.1 or -1.0 to develop cardano? or are you just using the kernel mass storage driver?	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6783079&cid=48872369	[01:18]
assbot	Silk Road 2.0 Deputy Arrested - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0xzUa )	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	apparently some people get it.	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	The tragedy is I have an assload of modpoints atm, but can't spend them on this thread because I had to highlight the link sniping.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi what all that is, but it sounds funny.	[01:21]
BingoBoingo	http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6783079&cid=48872465	[01:22]
assbot	Silk Road 2.0 Deputy Arrested - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0y3tF )	[01:22]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Basically slashdot has "votes" but they get allotted at unpredicatable time intervals and expire.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	uh	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	so the only way spamming it works is statistically ? gee.	[01:23]
BingoBoingo	Pretty much.	[01:23]
BingoBoingo	Pretty sure that contributed to our good /. run with pankkake	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	what was that again ?	[01:24]
BingoBoingo	but for story selection everything goes through the annoited editors anyway which is why some altcoin got two stories on consecutive days.	[01:24]
BingoBoingo	what was that again ? << That time my personal blog was featured on /. thrice with no resistance.	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	aha	[01:25]
BingoBoingo	And featured thrice in 4 months	[01:26]
BingoBoingo	The first time was exactly one year ago +/- 5 days	[01:26]
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BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7nsb/i_grew_a_neckbeard_reading_this_bitcoin/cnwoeat	[01:42]
assbot	ButterNubber comments on I grew a neckbeard reading this "Bitcoin Declaration of Sovereignity" (note: Link doesn't go to the actual Bitcoin Foundation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0ArAA )	[01:42]
ben_vulpes	oh, reddit discovered the fundation?	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	you're famous nao.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	dun fuck it up.	[01:43]
ben_vulpes	i'm still waiting for robert viragh to call my mother and tell her i hang out with nasty people on the internets	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	why your mother specifically?	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	because that's what he threatened to do!	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	lolwut	[01:44]
ben_vulpes	not even kidding	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	i guess hungarians have jew-close relationships with their mothers /	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	no wonder highest suicide rate in teh werld.	[01:45]
ben_vulpes	want to hear something else lispily amusing?	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	ok ?	[01:45]
ben_vulpes	stumpwm (a cl window manager) handles multiple monitors better than OS X.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	i wasn't thinking os x is particularly good at any task.	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	"just works" is dead. has been for like 3 revisions now, but the rest of the world is finally waking up to it.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	humor comes from contradictiyon	[01:46]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Ever play with plan9 or its forks/distros?	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	"Table 'bitcoin.smf_boards' doesn't exist"	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: nah, it was great for the adobe suite	[01:46]
decimation	usg's failure to properly implement fire department radio encryption (not that it is needed) could have killed people http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/New-Radio-Encryption-May-Have-Stymied-Communication-in-Metro-Incident-289075111.html	[01:46]
assbot	New Radio Encryption May Have Stymied Communication in Metro Incident, Sources Say \| NBC4 Washington ... ( http://bit.ly/1t0B3pO )	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	basically purpose built for them	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	did tardstalk just move over the new design ?	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	the one a guy in sf made for $500k	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: not i, no.	[01:46]
ben_vulpes	my next operating system dabblings are going to be in bsds and gentoo	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ^ scoop for you	[01:47]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: If they did, they haven't done it well	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	bitcointalk died ?	[01:47]
decimation	ben_vulpes: re: osx << it's been going downhill ever since 10.6	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	thanks god that italian dude did the cached version eh.	[01:47]
mats	all this gloom about forest fires makes me nervous, i am a mere vassal of USG with insufficient rocket fuel	[01:47]
ben_vulpes	decimation, yeah, that's the one.	[01:48]
ben_vulpes	i've yet to eat 10.10.	[01:48]
ben_vulpes	my time will come, i'm sure	[01:48]
decimation	I've been cursed with supporting osx at the office to some degree	[01:48]
decimation	ever try to make it actually work with nfs reliably?	[01:48]
ben_vulpes	their proprietary spreadsheet program will only save documents compatible with the version of itself that runs on 10.10	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	anyone remember who was the bitcointa.lk sysadmin ? i recall he was here.	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	c something or other	[01:49]
*	punkman wonders if bitcointalk will break all the old links after upgrade	[01:49]
decimation	mats: in the case of the link above, people died waiting for 'rescue' after a metro train became 'stuck' near some kind of fire	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	cedivad ty.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	;;seen cedivad	[01:49]
gribble	cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 50 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that.	[01:49]
cardigm	CheckDavid chetty chiral coderwill copumpkin CoraCrisT Cory CryptoGoon Crypton CryptOprah	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell cedivad hey, now that bitcointalk.org is gone, could a full dump of bitcointa.lk be had for archival purposes ?	[01:50]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:50]
ben_vulpes	;;rate gavinandresen -5 has already broken bitcoin innumerable times and would like to continue.	[01:51]
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ben_vulpes	;;rate gavinandresen -5 has already broken bitcoin several times and would like to continue.	[01:51]
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ben_vulpes	!rate gavinandresen -5 has already broken bitcoin several times and would like to continue.	[01:52]
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mircea_popescu	anywya, ima be off now, all teh people wanting to pretend like you are talking in b-a but not really, you got at least six hours.	[01:53]
ben_vulpes	zing	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	scoopbot: fetch	[01:53]
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mircea_popescu	!rated sturles	[14:09]
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mircea_popescu	!rate sturles 4 I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.	[14:11]
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kakobrekla	actually, here is the thing. if you just !rate over existing rating, the old date should stay. if you !unrate and !rate, it will put up a new one.	[14:11]
kakobrekla	idk if gribble works that way but iirc i made that call here	[14:12]
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kakobrekla	!gettrust mircea_popescu sturles	[14:12]
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Apocalyptic	gribble just overwrites the rating date everytime	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you mean the date ? yes i know.	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	but wasn't the case pre january.	[14:13]
kakobrekla	[note] => I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.	[14:13]
kakobrekla	[since] => 29-Oct-2011	[14:13]
kakobrekla	date remains.	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[14:13]
kakobrekla	just thought date is worth something and shouldnt be destroyed	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	yup. good call.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	the fact that !unrate !rate cycle wipes it, but simple !rate update doesn't is actually the best of both worlds.	[14:15]
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mircea_popescu	decimation: punkman: that's 2-3 billion signups <<< and yet, in spite of that claim (probably unsubstantiated, as all of these, but certainly more defensible in VC terms than anyone else's), g+ isn't worht anything.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	if there's a better example as to why the "grow big fast" so-called strategy doiesn't work, here it is. google's own g+ is not worth naything in spite of 3bn users.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	that watsapp no users claimed as however many seemed to be worth something when fb paid for them is no support of the theory. that g+ isn't worth anything IS counterproof.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	because that's how proof works : that you didn't break into any houses all through the day of the 29th doesn't help you in court. that you did on the 25th, sinks you.	[14:22]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: well santa clause is allowed to BNE on the 25th me thoughts	[14:24]
thestringpuller	claus*	[14:24]
thestringpuller	maybe the entire point of G+ is to prove Facebook isn't worth anything?	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	nah, he only enters.	[14:25]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yes, actually, in a backwards sort of way it's exactly that. google can't afford to have zuck pretend like oh, "we're better than google". so if he tries they can go "heh, we're fb plus other things".	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	strategy.	[14:25]
thestringpuller	if that strategy succeeds, the bubble that is facebook maybe unprecedented upon collapse.	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	all bubbles are really the same size.	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	their nominal monetary value is not important.	[14:27]
thestringpuller	this is good point, the idiots will be left holding the bag.	[14:27]
thestringpuller	as is always the case	[14:27]
thestringpuller	look at cnet d00d	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	moreover, there's a maximal value of a bubble, when it pops. this is driven by the headcount and so forth, nothing else.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	albania's bubble was like, 9x% of maximum. russia's a few years earlier, more like 60%ish. romania's a good 80%	[14:28]
punkman	http://venturebeat.com/2015/01/21/man-sold-facebook-ipo-shares-gets-46-months-in-the-federal-slammer/	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	and on and on.	[14:28]
assbot	Man 'sold' Facebook IPO shares, gets 46 months in the federal slammer \| VentureBeat \| Business \| by Daniel Terdiman ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj3xge )	[14:28]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: in a sense bubles have asymptotes?	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[14:29]
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mircea_popescu	not "in a sense". in all senses.	[14:29]
thestringpuller	just making sure I understand the concept.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	bubbles are built not out of money but out of dreams, hopes and assorted verbiage. which is why money is such an approximative approach to attack them.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	queue newton's despair.	[14:30]
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mircea_popescu	in principle, some pacific islanders with their six acres of unarable land and fifty coconuts can make a bubble just as well as new york can.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	and when it pops, it will be JUST AS destructive to economy & society, according to how close to the absolute maximum it got.	[14:31]
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thestringpuller	yea. not many people are going to "front" the pacific islanders dreams with drugs, sex and rock & roll in the same way US-ians do with Sillycon Valley	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	so you think.	[14:32]
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mircea_popescu	but in fact, sex, drugs and rock and roll are a permanence in human history.	[14:32]
thestringpuller	or at least I look at a bubble as someone fronting someone something	[14:32]
thestringpuller	be it ferarri's, hookers, blow, etc.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah. but the something in question chiefly is "social and economic preeminence"	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	it's not anything concrete.	[14:33]
thestringpuller	it can be "something" concrete like say a house.	[14:33]
thestringpuller	bought with vc money that will never be repaid	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	only if the something concrete like say a house is also something abstract like the meaning of a house.	[14:33]
thestringpuller	given to a business that burns it all in the form of salaries	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	bubbles are built out of signifiers not out of significates.	[14:34]
thestringpuller	Could you elaborate a bit?	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	these are terms of art, you go read up on language theoree :)	[14:34]
thestringpuller	i iz bad @ wordz	[14:34]
thestringpuller	thiz is why I liten to hip hop	[14:35]
thestringpuller	i understand "Get money", but "build wealth" not so much.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	http://www.revue-texto.net/Saussure/Saussure.html << can start with old man s.	[14:36]
assbot	Saussure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj4O77 )	[14:36]
thestringpuller	oooh. it's in french.	[14:36]
thestringpuller	<3	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	ironically, in spite of pierce's much more factually sensible theory, somehow saussure's seems more useful in practice.	[14:37]
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scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/drones-revolutionize-cross-border-drug-shipment/	[14:44]
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mircea_popescu	http://antilop.cc/sr/img/mrmike_tips_tricks.png << this is a pretty decent indication of what "drivinbg adoption" means.	[14:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1t0ESLD )	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	having people who aren't really intellectually capable to handle email involved in bitcoin ? why ? "because they're people too" ? no, they're not people too. they're cattle too.	[14:49]
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mircea_popescu	and this only speaks to whitey, people who have somehow fallen through the cracks of a lentghy history of literacy.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	driving adoption in africa and central asia, god help you.	[14:49]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/22/central-banks-have-no-more-control-over-their-economies-than-gnats-have-over-elephants/	[14:53]
assbot	Central banks have no more control over their economies than gnats have over elephants. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj6Q72 )	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	well... if not yet then soon enough.	[14:54]
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chetty	so on this mornings glenn beck show he went on at some length about how people would be turning to bitcoin as a way to protect idenity from all the hacking, he has big audience ..and he didnt say anything that was actually stuipd, for a change	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	does he have recordings online ?	[14:56]
punkman	mircea_popescu: driving adoption in africa and central asia, god help you. < imagining asian version of tips from husband now, scary	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	punkman right ? it's just... dude we did so very much to fuck up africa already	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	now this, too ?	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	can't they just get a break ?	[14:56]
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BingoBoingo	chetty: Lizard Hitler doesn't need him to say anything stupid on Bitcoin. Other people will tell his audience stupid things and reasonable things abot Bitcoin might seem sstupid to other uninitiated people via naive association with him.	[14:56]
chetty	yes the blaze radio posts podcasts of all their shows	[14:56]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo wasn't this the guy that did a lot of gold and guns advertising, and pretty much sounds like a b-a alumni ?	[14:57]
chetty	yeah if he could get off the god wagon he would make a lot of sense actually	[14:57]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: To an extent. His relationship with particular gold vendors though apes Keiser's relationship with Aurora coin though. The "pay premium for particular coins" sort of scam	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeah it smelled funny that bit but i never really looked into it.	[14:58]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: "collectible" gold coins instead of... "Fuck you this is gold" scam.	[14:59]
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mircea_popescu	chetty ironically ppl like danielpbarron are doing fine. i dunno that one's religious belief is an impediment. course this may really be a religion vs theology thing.	[14:59]
chetty	well in fairness collectible gold is what FDR didnt get	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	chetty yeah but in fdr's time the situation was, weak govenrment and strong population. today it's exactly the opposite.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	kinda like trying to guess what parts will stay dry after a flood. hard job.	[15:01]
chetty	indeed, but the floods a comin for sure	[15:01]
davout	https://twitter.com/OtaK_/status/558321238230462464 <<< this replace-pronouns twitter butthurt flow seems to be attracting a whole new level of stupid	[15:01]
assbot	It’s really smart as a business owner to go around publicly harassing people /davoutplantaire http://t.co/3MvaixKHb5	[15:02]
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mircea_popescu	davout you know, here's the thing with twitter : back when i had an account, i kept thinking all sorts of in retrospect bizarre nonsensical, fatlogic-y rationalisations for why i'm spending time there.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	once they decided i killed poor anton (god rest his stupid, scammy soul), i discovered... whoa.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	this is really stupid central and wtf am i doing there!	[15:05]
pete_dushenski	lmao	[15:05]
davout	yeah, i hear you	[15:05]
kakobrekla	looks like bitcointalk to me	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	habit is this insane thing.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla pretty much.	[15:05]
Pierre_Rochard	^ I sense I’m on that path too	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	now, in honesty, there WAS a time, in 2010, when pretty much all the good tail in romania was there.	[15:05]
kakobrekla	well, davout is the mod there..	[15:05]
Pierre_Rochard	like any bad habit, you hit rock bottom at some point and rethink tings	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	and so it worked as a good heuristic.	[15:05]
pete_dushenski	maybe we should have "#b-a divorces twitter day"	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	but a) it doesn't work in english and b) it doesn't work this decade.	[15:06]
undata	I mostly follow people from here, not so bad	[15:06]
davout	kakobrekla: i got some other french dude mod, so i can just pop in there from time to time and nuke the occasional noobie	[15:06]
kakobrekla	so a no-show job basically	[15:06]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: I'm prolly going to be stuck there because of this media startup and a need to follow RSS for dummies	[15:06]
davout	kakobrekla: yeah, i should b	[15:07]
davout	i should make a bot that moderates randomly so i get paid from the forum chest until they notice XD	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[15:07]
kakobrekla	wait you get paid per action ?	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla see ? SEE what you missed out on ?	[15:08]
kakobrekla	:(	[15:08]
kakobrekla	meanwhile eurusd 1.137	[15:09]
kakobrekla	that 2015 parity bet (which i did not make) in bitbet queue is gonna get stale	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo if you want advice, the best advice is, use curl to pull up a shiotton of feeds, create a script that greps it by keywords with weight, create another that searches for rare words, and sort the whole thing in that order.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	then just go through the list.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	no "social media" needed.	[15:10]
undata	quick update before I dive into bezzeland biz, I bought deedbot.org for deed bundles, and the thing's two cron jobs and some code cleanup from being ready	[15:10]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sure, but that way there's less yelling at people.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	undata cool!	[15:10]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo fine, no divorce day then!	[15:11]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: No, the rest of you can divorce if you want.	[15:11]
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pete_dushenski	sniff, it wouldn't be the same...	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	you folks ever did teh divorce emo-scam ?	[15:12]
chetty	http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150122/lt--argentina-prosecutor_killed-af1cdb5d41.html	[15:13]
assbot	My Way News - Argentina president says prosecutor death was not suicide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj9ABA )	[15:13]
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mircea_popescu	o.O	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	wait. Cristina ?!	[15:13]
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mircea_popescu	!gettrust jankoxp	[15:15]
assbot	jankoxp is not registered in WoT.	[15:15]
pete_dushenski	and here i was thinking that cristina ordered the thing	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking the same think, an' even said some pretty hard words about teh woman	[15:16]
pete_dushenski	her's is a convenient reaction, perhaps	[15:17]
pete_dushenski	take the words out of everyone's mouth	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	or deprs who have a lot more to lose than her moving on their own accord.	[15:17]
pete_dushenski	i wouldn't think that the argentinian powers that be would move entirely independently from cristina	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	depends. she's old.	[15:20]
pete_dushenski	but she's in the top office	[15:20]
pete_dushenski	she didn't trip, fall, and land there quite by accident	[15:20]
pete_dushenski	she must have support from somewhere. she must.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	yea, actually, she did.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	her husband put her in so he can come back, then died.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	the exact definition of "by accident"	[15:21]
pete_dushenski	a i c	[15:21]
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davout	lol	[15:21]
pete_dushenski	but she's remained there for 8 years...	[15:22]
pete_dushenski	so she must still be pumping the right tires	[15:22]
pete_dushenski	or she'd have been out on her ass within the first year	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand how oficialismo works.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	as long as they didn't find her in bed with a live girl or a dead boy...	[15:23]
pete_dushenski	ha	[15:23]
pete_dushenski	oficialismo is a south american thing or just argentina ?	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	complicated, but in this particular nuance argentina.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	venezuela has it's own thing.	[15:24]
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Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0o3TwZ6iE8	[15:27]
assbot	Platteland (1995) -- Roger Ballen - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cjcs1n )	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony ^ ?	[15:28]
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fluffypony	lol	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	sorry, you're my expert on the ground in sa, which interests me.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	you're stuck with random pings	[15:29]
fluffypony	reporting live from the heart ^z^z^z^z leafy coastal suburbs of South Africa!	[15:29]
ben_vulpes	http://bubblear.com/224-accusation-unrest-last-nights-nisman-protest/ << mircea_popescu, for contrast to your claims re nisman silence	[15:30]
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ben_vulpes	(bubblear known derps, but nevertheless)	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:30]
davout	fluffypony: afrikaans sounds so weird to a dutch speaker	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes well they're cloudfired so i can'tsee it. what's the claim in summary ?	[15:31]
davout	zo raar joh	[15:31]
fluffypony	davout: I can imagine - Dutch sounds bizarre to my ears	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	davout the mugs look so weird to a mug-ologist!	[15:31]
fluffypony	!up rdymac	[15:32]
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davout	to a dutch person, an afrikaner sounds somewhat like a drunk belgian	[15:32]
fluffypony	hah hah	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	valoon ?	[15:33]
rdymac	Thx	[15:33]
davout	nee, een vlaams	[15:33]
fluffypony	to a South African, Dutch people sound pretentious...but after beer #3 nobody cares and we're all the best of friends	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	een vlaams lol	[15:33]
davout	lol	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	pleesee loongeer vowweels	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	because we live in hillcoutntry, and it's one to the hill and in the fog.	[15:34]
davout	you know what they say about men with big feet?	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	can't hear each ootheer	[15:34]
Naphex	http://www.rogerballen.com/platteland/ - those snaps	[15:34]
assbot	Platteland \| Roger Ballen Photography ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjdJ8q )	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	no, but i know what they do to girls with big butts.	[15:34]
davout	:D	[15:35]
fluffypony	actually the one thing that irritates me about Afrikaans is the double-negative, as in "ek het dit nie gesien nie" (literally: I have it not seen not)	[15:35]
fluffypony	like isn't one negative enough?	[15:35]
rdymac	The case of Nisman is obviously a really bad way to shut that guy	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	no, it's not./	[15:36]
ben_vulpes	cloudfuxxed	[15:36]
chetty	yeah but it spreads fear and shuts up more people	[15:36]
davout	fluffypony: but it sounds like the second negative doesn't actually count, amirite?	[15:36]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: more or less that "there were peepul!"	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	chetty i somewhat doubt that was the plan.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i didn't see it. obviously i don't keep the entire city under surveillance.	[15:36]
fluffypony	davout: yeah, and if you forget it then suddenly the sentence no longer "makes sense"	[15:36]
ben_vulpes	http://www.bubblear.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/03plaza.jpg << the wide shot isn't even terrifically convincing.	[15:36]
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rdymac	It was not a suicide. The truth will be known way after, when it doesn't affect anymore the president	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	but you'd expect i'd see it. or at any rate i do.	[15:36]
davout	fluffypony: LOL	[15:36]
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mircea_popescu	davout the negative doesn't actually cunt, you're right. yes means anal.	[15:37]
davout	mircea_popescu: you're such a mean harassing and hateful individual, also privilege	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	no means yes. no but no means no.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	understand rape culture.	[15:38]
fluffypony	I thought davout was the mean harassing person for all the gavinharassing in that IRC log?	[15:38]
davout	i have a lot to learn	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	gavinherring is not a woman.	[15:38]
fluffypony	the reddits were all "OMG GAVIN HAS THE PATIENCE OF A GOD. HE IS TRULY A SAINT."	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	tho he possibly crosdressed in the past	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	seeing how satoshi may well have been	[15:38]
davout	fluffypony: no today i was the leave-the-pronoun-switcher-alone bullying individual	[15:38]
fluffypony	oh yes	[15:39]
fluffypony	ont he twitterz	[15:39]
ben_vulpes	davout: leave britney alone	[15:39]
fluffypony	you know the redditards are going to get you murdered off twitter	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	no that's not murder.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	only when he does it.	[15:39]
fluffypony	especially on a day like today when Bitcointalk is down	[15:39]
fluffypony	they have nothing better to do	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	davout who are you going to twitterkill btw ?	[15:39]
fluffypony	I vote for Roger Ver	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	dude can't he pick his own ?	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	davout : TRIGGER WARNING!!!	[15:40]
davout	then comes along this random neckbeard, pretend-cto, that would totally penetrate my security, if only he had some time	[15:40]
fluffypony	no! he must be decentralised and let us vote!	[15:40]
davout	i dunno, i already did aanontop once or twice	[15:40]
davout	now i'm blocked, gotta find another one	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	wait, tardstalk is STILL down ?	[15:41]
davout	mircea_popescu: not enough donations it appears	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i will bet you that this is in no way upgrade related. has that smell of panic resulting from legal process.	[15:42]
kakobrekla	how long has it been? not much?	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla qntra reported it yest.	[15:42]
kakobrekla	a	[15:42]
davout	they said it was hdd failure	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	lol ?!	[15:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Post is updated this morning to include their claim of hdd failure	[15:42]
jurov	you know, some hdds escaped... will take at least days till they catch all of them	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	and here i thought hotswappable arrays are common practice.	[15:43]
Naphex	jurov: well i'll telly ou, that if you don't have spare hdd's	[15:43]
davout	their HDDs were victim of their own success	[15:43]
Naphex	good luck finding compatible spares in less then 5 days	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	Naphex you know the marquardt idiot is sitting on like 5mn worth of donations / revenues ?	[15:43]
davout	or maybe it's their bank that's placing arbitrary access limits on their HDDs	[15:43]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: yeah, i've heard. which makes it way worsse	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	the plague of bitcoin : it empowered all sorts of people who, well... aren't really up to the task.	[15:44]
Naphex	not having spare hdd's available for your server, will make you rage so hard, while you call all the available suppliers	[15:44]
Naphex	ofcourse they won't have any available, especially for your raid	[15:44]
fluffypony	oh wow	[15:45]
fluffypony	I've just read the Twitter "thread"	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	Naphex the dcs that work with noobs generally (if well managed) do two things : only use a few specific types, and keep a supply on hand.	[15:45]
fluffypony	HE FORESAW THE VALUE COLLAPSE	[15:45]
fluffypony	he truly is the prophet of this generation	[15:45]
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mircea_popescu	yeah, except "price collapse" != "value collapse".	[15:45]
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Naphex	mircea_popescu: doubt anyone was monitoring those servers. HDD's give quite a few warnings before blowing up. Especially in raid setups	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	they may.	[15:46]
Naphex	red/yellow lights would be blinking	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	i have seen cases where they do not./	[15:46]
Naphex	prolly, but i'd rate that very rare events	[15:46]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#988045 << the trick is to kick it before you hit rock bottom, otherwise you keep saying, "oh, i haven't found the bottom yet, better seek onwards"	[15:46]
assbot	Logged on 22-01-2015 18:01:40; Pierre_Rochard: like any bad habit, you hit rock bottom at some point and rethink tings	[15:46]
fluffypony	it still boggles my mind that with all the donation money he can't afford to pay a part-time sysadmin to get them setup properly	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	Naphex very rare indeed.	[15:47]
fluffypony	it would take maybe a day to move that backend over to a Galera cluster	[15:47]
Naphex	i've had full hardware hosted and running for 6+ years. dozens of hdd's switched and replaced. maybe 1 complete raid failure on HP Proliants	[15:47]
fluffypony	how does he not understand points-of-failure?	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	Naphex i recently passed the 1k physical hdds lifetime award. and seen it exactly once.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony because he is a 24 yo derp exactly like any 24 yo derp you could get by sending a naked 23 yo hottie parading down the street.	[15:48]
Naphex	sounds right	[15:48]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: was using HP Proliants for a while, had one that the whole 8x raid array just barked, as soon as i replaced 1 hdd, the other would fail	[15:48]
Naphex	had to replace the whole array	[15:48]
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adlai	re bct downtime... "is your hdd running? BETTER GO CATCH IT!"	[15:49]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: theymos is 24? Fuck I'm getting old.	[15:49]
adlai	hey that makes me feel young again! o/	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller something like that, 23, 24	[15:49]
fluffypony	maybe he's related to usagi.	[15:50]
thestringpuller	^- lol	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	nah, usagi is mentally ill.	[15:50]
Naphex	maybe he used SSD's without the controller having TRIM support :))	[15:50]
Naphex	thats a new hipster way to blow up your stuff	[15:51]
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fluffypony	lol	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	"Scientists have found that the 'cowgirl' position is responsible for half of all penile fractures during sexual intercourse"	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	this needed discovering.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	wtf was it covered in ?	[15:53]
fluffypony	vigorous research	[15:54]
thestringpuller	huehue	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[15:54]
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mircea_popescu	https://safeorscam.com/karma << so is that pgp key block on the bottom of the page broken universally, or just MacGPG2 v2.0.17 decided to fork gnupg and not tell anyone ?	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	!up STRML	[16:01]
-assbot-	You voiced STRML for 30 minutes.	[16:01]
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STRML	Thanks Mircea	[16:01]
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STRML	Wanted to chime in, that key is working in gpgtools 1.5b2	[16:02]
STRML	there were some pretty serious bugs in some of the earlier 2.0.x versions, perhaps that is the issue	[16:02]
STRML	i'm on macgpg2 2.0.26	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. ius the very helpful error i get.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	anyone with an actual (nix) gnupg care to check ?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/02d08070c291858320a1a4bc2719f279/tumblr_ng3vf2SjqH1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg << payment for your effort!	[16:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CjhA5n )	[16:04]
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fluffypony	gpg: key 29D9246A: public key "Operation Atlas " imported	[16:06]
fluffypony	gpg: Total number processed: 1	[16:06]
fluffypony	gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1)	[16:06]
fluffypony	works fine here	[16:06]
STRML	mircea_popescu: working in linux mint as well, although I get a message about an invalid armor header	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	hm	[16:07]
STRML	gpg: invalid armor header:	[16:07]
STRML	gpg: key 29D9246A: public key "Operation Atlas " imported	[16:07]
STRML	gpg: Total number processed: 1	[16:07]
STRML	gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1)	[16:07]
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fluffypony	STRML: that's because it's interpreting the as a line break	[16:07]
fluffypony	I think anyway	[16:07]
fluffypony	gpg: invalid armor header: mQINBE8wSNoBEAC3Bg08G6qZVa62svL60QktAWqWByK6MYaMc6MQOAQYXC3WxFtM	[16:07]
STRML	ah could be.	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	ah yeah, it works on stock ggp	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	an since there's two of you, http://36.media.tumblr.com/508f2365dc83e5147af096c30e0bd912/tumblr_ng3tnb7XDz1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[16:15]
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kakobrekla	hmm	[16:17]
kakobrekla	i been there i think.	[16:17]
kakobrekla	just the timing was off apparently.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	lol tis barcelona	[16:18]
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STRML	I guess I live in the wrong city	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/cfdfa563eb6ea4cbda85e0ce24b74776/tumblr_ng3sl8lacM1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg << this is what asciilifeform missed out on :D	[16:19]
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mod6	dang	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/c88fee11721145ae9fdb55d14a3e4d16/tumblr_ng3qxdgkxe1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg there you go mod6, moar outsdoor like, for you.	[16:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CjkRSc )	[16:21]
mod6	:D tyvm	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/973de9a76c1d60f52173199e053d9e25/tumblr_ng3qs8sdhy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg me, i'm more of a city type.	[16:22]
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mod6	now, there's a stress-free job. go around taking photos of those girls.	[16:30]
mod6	every day is a great day! lol	[16:31]
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mircea_popescu	you know, it actually is pretty shitty a job ?	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't pay that much, you have to travel a lot, and what you don't see is that most hourlong shots take like 4 or 5, because constant interruptions.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	the one guy i knew that was best at it used to be a war photoreporter before.	[16:34]
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mod6	huh.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[16:36]
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mod6	well, i guess i can imagine.	[16:39]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	stuff like "desolder the 512mb card, replace with 128gb card" and "get kernel so and so in there" would be all fine.	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	if bitcoin nodes would cost something like 50 bucks and 6 hours' time off a computer-aware kid, that'd help immensely	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	because practically everyone has 4 hole router at home of which 2-3 holes are used. so get that plugged into the 4th and there we go, node problem fixed.	[16:41]
kakobrekla	i use all the holes	[16:42]
mod6	same	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	jesus	[16:42]
mod6	:D	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	you know if you use all the holes it means you got poor management	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	because there should be more holes being provisioned.	[16:44]
kakobrekla	very efficient	[16:44]
fluffypony	who even uses the holes, I use teh wifiez	[16:44]
fluffypony	wireless ALL of the things!	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	I USE ALL THE TANGENTS	[16:45]
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kakobrekla	ascii has a tanget router	[16:45]
kakobrekla	prolly two.	[16:45]
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kakobrekla	missed this somehow http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2015/01/andreessen-horowitz-invests-in-stack-exchange/?cb=1	[17:30]
assbot	Andreessen Horowitz Invests in Stack Exchange « Blog – Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3JiHD )	[17:30]
fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/gQSDSOS.jpg	[17:30]
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danielpbarron	"People emailed me saying she is not a dog so i googled llama and she is a llama, and I am keeping her because she already likes me and my house."	[17:33]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ... if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on 'how to turn commercially available router into btc full node' << the gadget i mentioned earlier, plus process, only need a larger - 64G+ - usb drive, to make this go. but i did not publish instructions, because did not think anyone wanted this.	[17:50]
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davout	mircea_popescu: lol tis barcelona <<< the one with the mcdonalds flag is totally amsterdam	[17:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3399 @ 0.00049223 = 1.6731 BTC [-]	[18:16]
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nubbins`	asciilifeform total cost?	[18:19]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: What did woodcoddler do to Bitcointalk?	[18:21]
nubbins`	i think u.s. customs ordered them to take it offline	[18:21]
nubbins`	because of the illegal wood importation	[18:21]
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nubbins`	wts silkscreened butterfly labs dildos	[18:26]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: You know what would be an interesting twist of the laser carved scam?	[18:29]
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thestringpuller	!up felipelalli	[18:30]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I'm thinking you set up the normal carved while you wait booth at the mall or carnival or whatever with your laser, but you plug in a joystick and a trackball to make it seem like you are piloting the laser manually.	[18:31]
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nubbins`	heheh	[18:31]
nubbins`	semi-automatic	[18:31]
BingoBoingo	Seriously	[18:32]
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BingoBoingo	Dude could call himself a master laserworker to get his margins back up	[18:32]
jurov	;;lasers	[18:32]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[18:32]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/kari_paul/status/558351397503393793	[18:33]
assbot	Ulbricht's college buddy just testified that Ulbricht told him in November 2011 he had already sold Silk Road to someone else.	[18:33]
BingoBoingo	;;kittenlaser	[18:33]
gribble	Error: "kittenlaser" is not a valid command.	[18:33]
BingoBoingo	;;kittenlasers	[18:33]
gribble	Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.	[18:33]
BingoBoingo	;;kittens	[18:34]
gribble	ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ .･( meow! )	[18:34]
BingoBoingo	;;laserkittens	[18:34]
gribble	ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew	[18:34]
midnightmagic	ehh.. the testimoney of a friend. what's that worth	[18:35]
BingoBoingo	probably some quanta of doubt	[18:36]
BingoBoingo	Convicting should be hard	[18:36]
danielpbarron	doesn't that testimony hurt him further? "he told me he stopped murdering in 2011"	[18:37]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: His lawyer's hand was already force into admitting he started it and was the bag holder. Right now the fight is to shave off charges and years in jail while setting up traps to get it overturned on appeal.	[18:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ideal candidate for an instant pocket-sized ~100 usd (largely cost of eeprom) node - miniature 'nas' devices. there are at least half a dozen manufacturers. not hard to do.	[18:41]
kakobrekla	or like hp microserver	[18:42]
jurov	dunno all these are only meagerly equipped with memory	[18:43]
jurov	was main reason why i went with miniitx	[18:43]
kakobrekla	16gig for the microserver	[18:43]
jurov	with full 8G ram	[18:43]
kakobrekla	prolly 100$ second hand, 200 or so new.	[18:44]
jurov	hp microserver with 16gigs for $100-200? where?	[18:44]
kakobrekla	was just stating max	[18:44]
kakobrekla	by default they come with 4 or 8 i think	[18:45]
kakobrekla	anyway i have one in my kitchen.	[18:45]
jurov	oh btw don't they have remote management like iLO? i'm not so superstitious like asciilifeform, but do avoid that, too	[18:48]
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kakobrekla	that backdoor is sold separately	[18:49]
asciilifeform	imho, no to x86, no to fans, and ought to keep cost minimal.	[18:49]
kakobrekla	but yes for reliability. even if rpi wold be strong enough (hey he didnt say no to arm, though he prolly ment it) it wouldnt cut as the thing is fragile.	[18:52]
jurov	i was under impression all have ilo nowadays	[18:52]
kakobrekla	idk mebbe the new models	[18:52]
asciilifeform	'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks.	[18:56]
kakobrekla	yes i know its terrible	[18:56]
kakobrekla	prolly most chicom nas is same	[18:57]
kakobrekla	btw those ARM servers that got in france, more than qualified to run this	[18:58]
danielpbarron	https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19133/bitcoin-truly-decentralized-yes-important/#comment-1811838579	[19:01]
assbot	Is Bitcoin Truly Decentralized? Yes – and Here Is Why It's Important – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4uQVl )	[19:01]
thestringpuller	can qntra just kill bitcoin magazine already?	[19:03]
jurov	another murderous rage victim?	[19:04]
jurov	let's decentralize our mind itself! i heard THC or LSD can be used	[19:05]
danielpbarron	voorhees pretending MPEx doesn't exist	[19:06]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/kidnappers-demand-ransom-be-paid-with-bitcoin/	[19:10]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: To be fair his settlement bars him from Bitcoin securities for a while	[19:10]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: those ARM servers that got in france, more than qualified to run this << what do they cost? iirc mircea was asking for a dirt-cheap gadget	[19:13]
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kakobrekla	cant be bought afaik hehe	[19:13]
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davout	danielpbarron: "voorhees pretending MPEx doesn't exist" <<< how is he doing that?	[19:16]
danielpbarron	his opening argument is about how coinbase is the premire bitcoin service	[19:17]
davout	ah	[19:20]
danielpbarron	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbR6iQ62v9k << live troll box!	[19:20]
assbot	The YouTube Interview with President Obama - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4zJOi )	[19:20]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: i was sorta assuming that mircea was posing the problem of whether a node could be optimized for 1) minimal cost 2) physical compactness in that order, perhaps to be airdropped behind enemy lines	[19:28]
kakobrekla	aha prolly yea	[19:28]
danielpbarron	wow, the topic of "cyber security" is being covered by someone named "GloZell," a youtuber famous for filling her bathtub with milk and cereal and swiming in it	[19:29]
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mircea_popescu	not bad.	[19:32]
asciilifeform	jurov: to pose the question of 'hardware diddlery' for a machine in one's kitchen, can be called superstition; to pose the same question re: xxx thousand physically identical bitcoin nodes airdropped over enemy country, is stark rationality.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/6dacbc6201bea84c969f0ea3b0b86d2f/tumblr_ng3pe9d8Sy1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg (also not bad)	[19:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Dfs2 )	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol who the fuck is badbitcoin.org	[19:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Some derp "scam spotting" service.	[19:40]
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mircea_popescu	yeah but i mean, who as in what person.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	"Declaration of Interest. We have investments in Paycoin (XPY) and in GAW. We invest in order to generate funds to continue running this site. We would not invest in anything we considered to be a Ponzi or Scam. We have exercised due diligence and believe this to be a trustworthy company and project. We also provide links to trusted 3rd party sites.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	January 2015"	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	ok nevermind.	[19:40]
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mircea_popescu	looked a lot like astroturf, turns out it is exactly astroturf.	[19:41]
davout	so many chumps, so little time	[19:41]
BingoBoingo	And astroturf is a phenomenon, not a who	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/830bd8bbae0d70d3020f2db089f7be92/tumblr_ng3p4sXH621s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[19:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Fqf5 )	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	davout so will you be able to take over if/when bitpay croaks ?	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	davout: thestringpuller: you're australian amirite? << no, he	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	's our token black guy. cazalla is the token ozian.	[19:45]
davout	yeah, he's a cowboy	[19:45]
davout	re bitpay i have no idea	[19:46]
kakobrekla	most 'merchants' be in merrica	[19:46]
davout	the way i see it the payment bzns is just as an extra pipe to bring volume to the exchange	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	well... payments.	[19:46]
davout	yep	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i ask specifically because i have a coupla derps im paying via bitpay currently.	[19:47]
BingoBoingo	!up cazalla	[19:47]
davout	kakobrekla: i can't america, because fatca	[19:47]
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kakobrekla	i kno	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	backup plans never hurt. once they go "well wtf we do nao, we don't want to lose your $xxxx" i just go "use this" and end of story.	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	this shit's fascinating. davout's article ? 2 comments. reddit pseudo-discussion of the topic ? >100 comments.	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	echo chamber be echotastic.	[19:49]
jurov	can't get karma from comments on davouts blog	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: i think i just blown my retard-o-meter << who's "kristo atlas" again ? not the actual atlas ?!	[19:50]
jurov	not bittips :)	[19:50]
jurov	*nor	[19:50]
kakobrekla	nfi	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	such weird.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	jurov: don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others << j knows.	[19:51]
kakobrekla	https://bitcoinpresscenter.org/presscontact/kristov-atlas	[19:51]
assbot	Kristov Atlas \| Bitcoin Press Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4HB28 )	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	but seriously : so the people too dumb to participate in the actual bitcoin discussion, here, eitehr because they can't get an irc client going or because they can't gpg or whatever, because their windows doesn't come with a "b-a button", sit somewhere and derp.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	good for em lol	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	BitcoinRole: "Entrepreneur, Writer" ? srsly ?	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	never heard of him.	[19:52]
kakobrekla	Kristov is the author of "Anonymous Bitcoin: How to Keep Your ฿ All to Yourself," available for sale at http://anonymousbitcoinbook.com.	[19:52]
assbot	Anonymous Bitcoin: How to Keep Your B All to Yourself – Anonymous Bitcoin Book	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	also never heard of it.	[19:53]
kakobrekla	just	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	somehow, we all manage, inexplicably.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	assbot: Bitcoin Forum Bitcointalk is Down due to Disk Failure - Data Lost << bs. he got served, panicked and deleted the data.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	methinks we see a jailed & pardoned marquardt show up here to "talk business" within the year.	[19:54]
kakobrekla	last few hrs only ?	[19:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ... i have a coupla derps im paying via bitpay << lol!! srsly ? in usa, no less?	[19:54]
kakobrekla	https://twitter.com/bitcointalk/status/558273534393217024	[19:55]
assbot	Data since Jan 21 21:44 UTC will not be automatically recovered, though if anything important was lost, I might be able to find it manually.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform at least some.	[19:55]
cazalla	bitcoinpresscenter.org was andreas derps response after he was denied a listing on some other bitcoin site from memory	[19:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mind-blowing	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hm. well... mebbe.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why ?	[19:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i guess no good reason.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	cazalla so basically this is the o'reilly flavour of astroturfed "bitcoin experts" ?	[19:56]
jurov	let's call them honey badgers	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	*: danielpbarron seriously doubts it will be on freenode in 20 years, or if there will even be a freenode << as far as freenode is concenred, i am agreed. however, b-a is 4ever!	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	jurov i dun recall, what's that reference ?	[19:57]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/group-proposes-bitcoin-wallet-privacy-ratings-criteria/	[19:57]
jurov	mircea_popescu: animals on book covers	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	oh oh	[19:58]
jurov	http://www.wired.com/2013/12/bitcoin_honey/ and this ofs	[19:58]
assbot	How Bitcoin Became the Honey Badger of Money \| WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Jqfu )	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/3e42f03b97fba1bd5302e2aea3abff40/tumblr_ng3ntwviXL1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[19:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y4JwnF )	[19:59]
jurov	i'm havin'it	[19:59]
jurov	or what was the mcd's slogan?	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	wow, conversion ?	[19:59]
jurov	jk	[20:00]
davout	LOL	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	maybe you're straight-curious :D	[20:00]
davout	lmao	[20:00]
jurov	yes, i'm curious :)	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: if a tree falls in the woods, and nobody important was there to write about it, did it make a sound? << yes. after the beep, hear the sound it made.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	beep	[20:01]
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ben_vulpes	heyo terrists	[20:01]
ben_vulpes	no i'm not waking up late	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	lobbes: I'm glad I discovered this place, man. Otherwise I would have been led off the cliff a long time ago << yer welcome.	[20:02]
cazalla	jurov, lovin' it although they changed it to lovin' beats hatin' apparently http://blogs.wsj.com/cmo/2014/10/27/mcdonalds-preps-new-ad-push-trip-to-super-bowl-sources/	[20:02]
assbot	McDonald’s Preps New Ad Push & Trip To Super Bowl -Sources - CMO Today - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4KekG )	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes tell the sluts if they do this to you again i will hunt them down.	[20:02]
ben_vulpes	i can just imagine them frolicking squealing naked through the woods	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov pls to look in bash mod queue ?	[20:03]
ben_vulpes	"popescu is coming! popescu is coming!"	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/a87c218093b4f352dce407fb63ff5f8b/tumblr_ng3nof8hHo1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg close enough	[20:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y4KwIq )	[20:03]
ben_vulpes	"IN YOUR ENDO, HOOOOORES"	[20:03]
jurov	there are only 3 items in the bash q	[20:03]
jurov	kako taketh away	[20:03]
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mircea_popescu	hoary whores!	[20:04]
jurov	approved	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others << my murderous rage reservoir is depleted	[20:05]
kakobrekla	yeah	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	i'm cut all the way over to gleeful wanton murder today	[20:05]
kakobrekla	i would just take the last line of the last bash	[20:05]
kakobrekla	errything else trash	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	"HTML? SUUURE! IMMA BILL YOU LIKE AN HOUR FOR THAT! ON CALL? SURE! THAT'S LIKE 3 HOURS EASY PEASY!	[20:05]
jurov	you said you're depleted?	[20:06]
ben_vulpes	that's not rage	[20:06]
ben_vulpes	that's glee	[20:06]
ben_vulpes	but all caps glee	[20:06]
jurov	kk	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes had an overflow in his rage buffer	[20:07]
ben_vulpes	it's like one of those "so bad its good" things but it's more like "so pissed at computers i've now got ptsd and 'shall we over the trenches for fun tonight fellas?'"	[20:07]
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ben_vulpes	!up yhwh_	[20:08]
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ben_vulpes	got tablets?	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	mthreat http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921642/Group-Jewish-backpackers-tortured-hours-Argentinian-hostel-locals-chanted-trying-Patagonia.html << you ever heard of this !?	[20:11]
assbot	Jewish backpackers tortured for hours in Argentinian hostel by locals \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4MsAC )	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	one week it's the imaginary tampon shortage, the next week it's the roasted jews...	[20:12]
ben_vulpes	[] https://twitter.com/OtaK_/status/558321238230462464 <<< this replace-pronouns twitter butthurt flow seems to be attracting a whole new level of stupid << i don't get the 140 character	[20:16]
assbot	It’s really smart as a business owner to go around publicly harassing people /davoutplantaire http://t.co/3MvaixKHb5	[20:16]
ben_vulpes	thing	[20:16]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: It's stuck that way because SMS messages.	[20:17]
danielpbarron	ben_vulpes, twitter started as an SMS service, and tweets were limited to what could be sent via text	[20:17]
ben_vulpes	...	[20:18]
ben_vulpes	no i get the history and the technology, asshats.	[20:18]
BingoBoingo	Ah.	[20:18]
kakobrekla	sms is 160 chars	[20:18]
danielpbarron	20 chars for username	[20:18]
ben_vulpes	fucking sms.	[20:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00049027 = 18.3361 BTC [-] {2}	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	SMS is a scam anyway	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1762050-violento-ataque-antisemita-en-un-hostel-de-lago-puelo-en-chubut << this one apparently actually happened	[20:22]
assbot	Violento ataque antisemita en un hostel de Lago Puelo, en Chubut - 22.01.2015 - lanacion.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4OKje )	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/23b089cf4e2a31310c74322cfc25a1ed/tumblr_ng3lecDThG1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[20:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y4QoBi )	[20:29]
undata	http://blogs.blackberry.com/2015/01/blackberry-net-neutrality/ << bb having been beaten to a pulp, demands the state level the playing field	[20:30]
assbot	Net Neutrality: No on Reclassification, Yes on Adding Content & App Providers \| Inside BlackBerry ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4QF7i )	[20:30]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/anjiecast/status/558403460056772608	[20:31]
assbot	Sophistication of SOTU addresses has steadily dropped over time http://t.co/FUvzoUJLSf /hashtag/democracy?src=hash HT /Outsideness http://t.co/2dQgGpo4dB	[20:31]
BingoBoingo	undata: Wait until they demand the new reference bitcoin client and gossipd build on windows	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	demands are cheap.	[20:32]
undata	BingoBoingo: alarms going off... "hurry undata... achieve escape velocity!"	[20:32]
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ben_vulpes	http://www.mercenarytrader.com/2015/01/baby-got-black-swan/	[20:33]
assbot	Baby Got Black (Swan) \| Mercenary Trader ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Rmxq )	[20:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00049947 = 9.8396 BTC [+]	[20:34]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#988309 << asciilifeform pls to put very detailed, complete instructions on your blog, plus pictures! this is really very nice and good.	[20:55]
assbot	Logged on 22-01-2015 20:46:00; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on 'how to turn commercially available router into btc full node' << the gadget i mentioned earlier, plus process, only need a larger - 64G+ - usb drive, to make this go. but i did not publish instructions, because did not think anyone wanted this.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	davout: the one with the mcdonalds flag is totally amsterdam << shit you're right	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	diff shot in barcelona.	[20:56]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: hadn't seen that article... but lots of ex-germans in them there parts of patagonia	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic: ehh.. the testimoney of a friend. what's that worth << sworn testimony is sworn testimony. unless the witness gets impeached, it's worth as much as an employee's testimony	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	(which is every single agent guy)	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	mthreat apparently it actually happened.	[20:57]
BingoBoingo	O.o http://thebulletin.org/multimedia/it-3-minutes-midnight	[20:59]
assbot	It is 3 minutes to midnight \| Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4XaqB )	[20:59]
BingoBoingo	http://thebulletin.org/press-release/press-release-it-now-3-minutes-midnight7950	[20:59]
assbot	Press release: It is now 3 minutes to midnight \| Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Xg1v )	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: imho, no to x86, no to fans, and ought to keep cost minimal. << yes.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	maybe i'm not all together, but... what the fuck does stackexchange need 40mn for ?	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	i mean, i like spolsky and errything. but...	[21:04]
nubbins`	https://twitter.com/bitcointalk	[21:09]
nubbins`	someone with a twatter account ask thermos to manually restore the woodcollector scamzor thread	[21:09]
assbot	BitcoinTalk (@bitcointalk) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Ziig )	[21:09]
davout	nubbins`: i'll just post that in #bitcointalk-staff	[21:09]
nubbins`	o	[21:09]
nubbins`	tell him no sweat if all the nubbins rep threads don't get restored ;D	[21:09]
davout	hah, w/e not much ppl there, and no gribble, so no ;;later tell	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	gribble works globally!	[21:10]
nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxefyn	[21:10]
assbot	TheWoodCollector comments on Anybody know why bitcointalk is down? ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4ZJJo )	[21:11]
davout	mircea_popescu: how will it know theymos is around if doesn't hang out in a chan where gribble also idles?	[21:11]
nubbins`	"I dont have a youtube account. Well, didnt have a youtube account. With new accounts you can only upload 10 minute videos i just found out. My DSLR camcorder records 20 minutes of video at a time."	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	davout ah there is that.	[21:11]
davout	and afaik thermos isn't that big of an irc guy	[21:12]
davout	nubbins`: just make a fake expert woodcarver competitor account, you'll probably get a whole extra load of lulz out of it	[21:12]
davout	when it comes back	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[21:13]
Apocalyptic	davout, I've seen him idling in #bitcoin recently	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	why!	[21:13]
nubbins`	my dslr will take a minimum of 20 minutes of video at a time	[21:13]
nubbins`	lelelel	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	"I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS FROM MY OWN MIND, I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT I USED STOCK IMAGES ON SOME OF THE PIECES. that is not a crime, i own the rights to them. 70% of your metal coins on the forum have stock image elements on them. Better start a dozen more witch hunts."	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	handcarved stock image!	[21:13]
davout	a screencap of a stock picture is OC!1 genius!	[21:14]
*	mircea_popescu goes to starred restaurant, orders happy meal. they put one together by hand. me is gratified.	[21:14]
davout	lol	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	"you know you could have had duck a la reine for the same money ?"	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	"what's money."	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/9cebc0d25b6527f339ca7a05bc59a012/tumblr_ng3je7D9CM1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[21:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y50Eto )	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	"agricultrice francaise"	[21:16]
davout	et ce n'est pas le champ que ca me donne envie de labourer...	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	<:D	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	(it's not labour, it's to plow. false friend :D)	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	while in english women go into labour, in french men labour to send them there.	[21:20]
davout	semantically the french "labourer" is a subset of "to labour"	[21:21]
davout	as in "one particular kind of work"	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	:p	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	davout actually the best continuation of the laser handcarving drama would be if the guy turns out to be a midget chinese woman that does it with her nails.	[21:23]
davout	that stock photographers stole from?	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	lol no, actually copies stock photos for no discernible reason.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	just you know, pure absurdism.	[21:25]
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davout	i can taste the absurd	[21:26]
BingoBoingo	I'm telling you the better version of this scam would be an artisan laser etching booth with a placebo joystick.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	that would be pretty cool too	[21:26]
BingoBoingo	"hand guided laser etching"	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	no magnifying glass or anything right ?	[21:27]
BingoBoingo	Of course not. It's a carnival barker's scam.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0052b5e9c40283fe9a86fa64ea0b7b8/tumblr_ng3fjklqmB1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg << that obnoxious moment when not only your younger sister has better boobage... but she outruns you, too.	[21:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y53bUr )	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	#girlhate	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	!up nijotz	[21:32]
-assbot-	You voiced nijotz for 30 minutes.	[21:32]
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nijotz	mircea_popescu: danke	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[21:34]
nijotz	I'll have to look into this web of trust rating	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	defo.	[21:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8847 @ 0.00050317 = 4.4515 BTC [+] {2}	[21:39]
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davout	that pronoun-gate keeps delivering	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:53]
davout	http://i.imgur.com/eAGlewn.png	[21:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1E7PeNR )	[21:54]
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BingoBoingo	My two favorite parts of speech to use "Fuck" as are pronoun and adverb. "Stupid fuck, stop fuckly jumping around like a fuck."	[21:56]
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davout	BingoBoingo: which makes me think of -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9KUaOlxpk	[21:58]
assbot	François Pérusse - Apprendre l'anglais - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiUuKZ )	[21:58]
davout	"Learn english"	[21:58]
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mircea_popescu	sooo... camembert pizza. who knew.	[22:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00049015 = 3.284 BTC [-]	[22:06]
davout	mircea_popescu: 60 million french people	[22:08]
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mircea_popescu	what can i tell ye.	[22:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcoin-finance-in-2014/ << i thought this was pretty great writing from mike_c	[22:09]
assbot	Bitcoin Finance in 2014 \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7Ru7J )	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	!up Foptork	[22:09]
-assbot-	You voiced Foptork for 30 minutes.	[22:09]
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mike_c	thank you!	[22:09]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8&cpage=1#comment-17069 << comments from folks who won't learn to read are annoying	[22:11]
assbot	Loper OS » Intro, Part II. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7ROmM )	[22:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: router... instructions << see this site: http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL >> the only modification is, take a larger usb flash drive, follow his gpart resize instructions.	[22:13]
assbot	FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite	[22:13]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: near the end of that page there is a script for cross-compile to mips on a larger machine (e.g. x86)	[22:13]
pete_dushenski	stan can it be true that you haven't written an article in 7 months ??	[22:14]
pete_dushenski	seems like you had a solid streak going	[22:14]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: it's true. largely on account of being very busy with actual work.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i generally don't write the kind of article that doesn't require at least a full day's concentration.	[22:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm not certain, however, that 'edgerouter' would be the optimal candidate for the mega-cheap node. the device itself is around 100 usd, and a decently large flash drive is yet again a quarter of that.	[22:15]
asciilifeform	what did we need these for again...?	[22:15]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform that effort definitely comes through!	[22:15]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: glad you enjoyed the articles. i actually have a new one in the works, but - no time presently to finish it.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	(it was to concern the usg dept. of firmware-diddlers)	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so that anyone can make one, and perhaps some of the redditards actually will.	[22:17]
pete_dushenski	ah well looking forward to it	[22:17]
nubbins`	"The battery just died in my camera, so i am taking a quick break"	[22:17]
nubbins`	-woodcollector	[22:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it would be quite simple to distribute a binary image that a monkey could pipe to usb flash and insert. for man, rather than monkey, one would prefer a 'thebitcoin.foundation'-style cookbook with signed configs/patches...	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	or a blogpost.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	anything.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	i just want a single item containing absolutely 100% everything that is needed, with no references.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	none of "go here and it's 95% good"	[22:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: do you have a favourite piece of hardware in mind? preferably one which you know to be readily available around the world.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	nope. i was trying to shoehorn into your recent research.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:20]
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mircea_popescu	since you did all that anyway	[22:20]
kakobrekla	hook it up to anonibox!	[22:21]
nubbins`	two raspberry pis for the cost of a $100 router :P	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	yeh a $100 router is a bit rich.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: go try set up a node (any version of bitcoind you like) on 'raspberry'.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` is the raspberry still on a queue ? or they worked itthrough yet ?	[22:21]
nubbins`	8)	[22:21]
undata	it will never sync	[22:21]
undata	the pi is teeerrible	[22:21]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: they used a defective i/o chip, which is abominably slow	[22:21]
nubbins`	mp they're freely available these days	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	aok	[22:22]
nubbins`	asciilifeform even the "B+" version?	[22:22]
nubbins`	http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/model-b-plus/	[22:22]
undata	if the tutorial included bootstrap.dat maybe, and even then would take a lifetime to catch up from there	[22:22]
assbot	Model B+ \| Raspberry Pi ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7TGw5 )	[22:22]
asciilifeform	even it.	[22:22]
pete_dushenski	mike_c your year-in-review just reminded me about just-dice...	[22:22]
pete_dushenski	i was thinking that someone in the wot needs to get a dice site going and i was going to see if j-d was in need of a new owner but it looks like it's still running?	[22:23]
mike_c	yeah. what a money spout that thing was. i miss it.	[22:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00048217 = 26.8569 BTC [-] {2}	[22:23]
mike_c	j-d now runs on fake-coin	[22:23]
pete_dushenski	now i wonder who's behind it	[22:23]
mike_c	b-a has a dice site, coinroll	[22:23]
mike_c	jurov runs it	[22:23]
pete_dushenski	a yes!	[22:23]
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pete_dushenski	jurov needs to promo better	[22:24]
nubbins`	how about a beaglebox	[22:24]
nubbins`	or w/e they're called	[22:24]
pete_dushenski	the man has services to provide!	[22:24]
nubbins`	beagle...bone?	[22:24]
undata	nubbins`: that's it	[22:24]
nubbins`	http://blog.timmattison.com/archives/2014/01/02/compiling-bitcoind-on-the-beaglebone-black/	[22:25]
assbot	Compiling Bitcoind on the BeagleBone Black - Tim Mattison ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiXBCz )	[22:25]
nubbins`	hm, i may try this	[22:25]
undata	wouldn't be bad to know the least amount of computer that could reasonably be expected to keep up with the blockchain for a worthwhile amount of time	[22:25]
nubbins`	straight-up, there's an opportunity to make money selling plug-n-play nodes	[22:25]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: i have 'openbsd' on one of these. also a little sluggish, though not as dreadful as 'raspberry'	[22:25]
undata	asciilifeform: what tinyputer do you use?	[22:25]
nubbins`	sluggish is okay, as long as it works	[22:26]
asciilifeform	undata: i have a number of them, for various experiments	[22:26]
undata	asciilifeform: any you consider that merit mention?	[22:26]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: imho, the best machine would be one which is readily available off the shelf with chassis, power supply, etc. and not require carpentry	[22:26]
asciilifeform	undata: they are all, as you would expect, rather threadbare.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	!up infobel	[22:27]
-assbot-	You voiced infobel for 30 minutes.	[22:27]
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mircea_popescu	yeah how's coinroll doing since j-d died ? jurov	[22:27]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: beaglebone black w/ custom-made btc-branded case, preloaded w/ software and ready to go. Slap it in a plastic clamshell, "babby's first bitcoin node"	[22:27]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, what high end alternative to beagleboard would you recommend, if there is one ?	[22:27]
nubbins`	walmart will be sellin em this time next year	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	straight-up, there's an opportunity to make money selling plug-n-play nodes << there is. i'd advertise it.	[22:28]
pete_dushenski	i wonder if jurov would sell coinroll ?	[22:28]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: depends, for what purpose	[22:28]
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nubbins`	i'd front some $$ to get it going as well	[22:28]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: if you like 'arm', there are a thousand boards to choose from.	[22:28]
nubbins`	package and market it right, you could make a tidy sum	[22:28]
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nubbins`	brb	[22:28]
mike_c	pete_dushenski: he's a partner, not sole proprietor.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	not require carpentry << replacing the soldered-in flash i can see, with the user's choice : 64, 128, we. but other than that, ideally nothing	[22:29]
pete_dushenski	a well til	[22:29]
pete_dushenski	mike_c you aren't the other partner are you?	[22:29]
mike_c	nope	[22:29]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, arm would do, for various experimenting purposes, just something similar in size and with quality components	[22:29]
mike_c	i want to say namworld, but not sure	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski iirc, namjies and i dun recall who else had it before	[22:30]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: cheapest means of getting a unit with arbitrarily expandable storage is to pick one with usb lines	[22:30]
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mircea_popescu	or that.	[22:30]
pete_dushenski	!gettrust namjies	[22:30]
assbot	namjies is not registered in WoT.	[22:30]
kakobrekla	namjies == namworld	[22:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 100000 @ 0.00009 = 9 BTC [-]	[22:31]
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pete_dushenski	that's a funny nickname then	[22:33]
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undata	http://beagleboard.org/black << cool that it has internal storage; it could ship with OS	[22:33]
assbot	BeagleBoard.org - black ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7VCVl )	[22:33]
undata	that plus some external storage	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	lawl #bitcoin-bra	[22:33]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: what would you say is minimal ram for a 0.5.3 node bringup ?	[22:34]
kakobrekla	youd want 1gig	[22:34]
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kakobrekla	maybe 500 if system has small footprint	[22:34]
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kakobrekla	o shit gotta /nick ben_vulpes first	[22:35]
asciilifeform	1g is probably not happening on 100 usd.	[22:35]
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mircea_popescu	i dun think so. 256mb will prolly do it, if slowly.	[22:36]
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kakobrekla	not in present chicken state but dont mind me what do i know	[22:37]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/la-republica-argelina-democratica-y-popular/	[22:37]
mod6	i've got a buddy running it on an aws micro with like 600Mb and it's working, but it runs itself out of ram like 1x per hour.	[22:37]
kakobrekla	^^	[22:37]
mod6	s/working/running	[22:37]
mod6	ive got a separate vm that has 1Gb of ram and it runs for about a 18-20 hours before it runs out of ram.	[22:37]
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nubbins`	heheh	[22:38]
nubbins`	well i mean	[22:38]
kakobrekla	recall the munin charts i posted	[22:38]
nubbins`	the amount of ram isn't really the issue	[22:38]
mod6	my aws vm has like 2gb of ram and it runs out between 24 - 48 hours	[22:38]
nubbins`	the inexorable consumption thereof is the issue	[22:38]
mod6	yes.	[22:38]
undata	hah, I had munin on a micro and it'd help take down the instance	[22:39]
nubbins`	so maybe not design the device around the memory leak	[22:39]
undata	pile up on itself when the previous cron hadn't finished munging graphs	[22:39]
nubbins`	so it runs out once an hour? unplug it	[22:39]
kakobrekla	lol undata	[22:39]
nubbins`	fuck, kill and restart bitcoind on a timer	[22:40]
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nubbins`	:P	[22:40]
kakobrekla	nubbins` thats what i did.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	ugh	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	when i said "it'll run" i meant smething like that.	[22:40]
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nubbins`	then eventually when the real bitcoin core fixes the current memory leaks	[22:40]
nubbins`	your handy pocket node is already there	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah, like, once mod6 does it.	[22:40]
nubbins`	HEH	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	not before. power fuckers had ~5 years to do it.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	did jack.	[22:41]
nubbins`	that's what i meant	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	!up infobel	[22:41]
-assbot-	You voiced infobel for 30 minutes.	[22:41]
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nubbins`	real = .foundation	[22:41]
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infobel	tnx Popescu	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	sure. who're you ?	[22:41]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu> did jack. < no leak in newer version, so they actually fixed it	[22:41]
nubbins`	!up mats	[22:42]
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mats	ur da best	[22:42]
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nubbins`	kakobrekla let's see the diffs :D	[22:42]
mats	re: router discussion, seems to me the obv solution is an OpenWrt 'package'	[22:42]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla which one ?	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	mats prolly something like that.	[22:42]
kakobrekla	afaik 0.7 has bug 0.8 does not have bug	[22:42]
kakobrekla	this is from memory	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	no wai, .8 still leaks.	[22:42]
mod6	a few days ago, I had been looking mapOrphanBlocks as a possible reason that it runs itself out of ram as this structure goes unchecked in size in v0.5.3 -- when I was at ~180,000 blocks, these are the stats that I had built up so far:	[22:42]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/365FMDC	[22:43]
assbot	dpaste: 365FMDC ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7X1ex )	[22:43]
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mod6	yeah, i've read on place that they have this leakyness -- crashing problem all the way up to .9	[22:43]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu i cant run .7 for more than a day on system x, runs .8 endlessly	[22:43]
mod6	*places	[22:43]
kakobrekla	.8x where x i dont recall atm	[22:43]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu your article's title had me hoping for a deeper explanation into 'oficialismo' ...	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski lol. im no local expert, i onlybeen here like a year.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla a the x may be it.	[22:44]
infobel	any thoughts on Trezor anybody?	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	!s trezor	[22:44]
assbot	127 results for 'trezor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trezor	[22:44]
PeterL	pete_dushenski I tried to put in a fix to scoopbot, he should respond to your blog now, let me know the next time you post something	[22:44]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu ok mister, you've got one more year!	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	3 years.	[22:45]
mod6	well, i could be wrong. i just saw a thing where they were telling some guy running a way forward version that he should add more swap or some such nonsense. but yeah... so it's been in there for a while.	[22:45]
pete_dushenski	PeterL wunderbar! danke!	[22:45]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu 3 more or 3 total ?	[22:45]
PeterL	well, thank me once it works ;)	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski tba	[22:45]
asciilifeform	http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d2.htm << x86. but passively cooled, supports fast storage, ~100 usd.	[22:45]
assbot	PC Engines alix2d2 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XvRV )	[22:45]
pete_dushenski	PeterL lol ok	[22:45]
asciilifeform	http://www.pcengines.ch/alix3d2.htm << smaller version of same.	[22:46]
assbot	PC Engines alix3d2 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XE7W )	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/61a537228bbfbd79aed85abac6cb524d/tumblr_ng39r5zhn41s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[22:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XD3I )	[22:46]
mod6	awesome pics today :)	[22:46]
mats	jurov:it's more about acquiring useful muscle memory bits << kung fu is not a system of fighting, its a system of thought. you must outthink your opponent, whatever form he takes... because some of them will be more than just men.	[22:46]
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mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/98205cc2e0379b675c31617e77233033/tumblr_ng38y4I2Li1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg there you go mod6	[22:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1E7Y3Hx )	[22:48]
mod6	=)	[22:49]
infobel	almost legal? :)	[22:50]
undata	infobel confirmed for cop	[22:50]
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mircea_popescu	cop a feel ?	[22:50]
asciilifeform	http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/easyacc/wizard8800?s[]=mips << almost the idea, imho, physical embodiment for a node; but the hero who can stuff node into 32m is not yet born	[22:50]
infobel	:))	[22:50]
assbot	EasyAcc Wi-Stor Wizard 4in1 wireless storage 8800 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7YnG9 )	[22:50]
asciilifeform	*ideal	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how hard is to field-upgrade these rams ?	[22:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: depends whether the address lines are all brought out on the pcb	[22:51]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: often, they are not.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	can we look at easyacc schematix ?	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	lol that was long lasted	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	PeterL what's killing it ? dja know ?	[22:52]
PeterL	oh, that was me restarting it again, be back up in a sec	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	ah	[22:53]
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asciilifeform	'wistor' schematics << chinese have not posted them, it seems, in the usual places. yet.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0908a7376263961cd2a22f33c2544c1/tumblr_ng35mjck061s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[22:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj0PpJ )	[22:54]
asciilifeform	it also appears to be out of production. but i distinctly recall seeing similar gadgets advertised.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	meh, oop is no good for us	[22:55]
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asciilifeform	http://www.openstora.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page	[22:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: there's a guide for booting 'edgerouter lite' with gentoo https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3	[22:55]
asciilifeform	^ ~35 usd	[22:55]
assbot	OpenStora ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj0ZgN )	[22:56]
assbot	MIPS/ERLite-3 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj104m )	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	sounds much better	[22:56]
asciilifeform	decimation: yes, saw. flaky in may ways.	[22:56]
decimation	yeah, 'only works' with certain usb drives, and only certain kernels	[22:56]
asciilifeform	the 'verbatim' appears to be available in massive qty. 802.11+gb eth.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	128M ram.	[22:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00087646 = 2.1912 BTC [-] {18}	[22:57]
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ben_vulpes	how'd i get almost 800 lines behind in one day!?	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	chewing tits is my bet.	[23:00]
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thestringpuller	lol	[23:04]
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asciilifeform	http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/kingston/mlw221 << interesting	[23:04]
assbot	Kingston Mobilelite Wireless MLW221 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E80yt9 )	[23:04]
asciilifeform	http://wiki.openwrt.org/_detail/media/mlw221-02.jpg?id=toh%3Akingston%3Amlw221 << instead of shielding the wireless card, as traditional...	[23:04]
assbot	media:mlw221-02.jpg [OpenWrt Wiki]	[23:04]
asciilifeform	~50 usd.	[23:05]
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asciilifeform	!up mats	[23:12]
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Apocalyptic	mircea, re http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ , great piece	[23:17]
assbot	Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj38sL )	[23:17]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu, anyone else still awake: 'pogoplug' - 256MB ram; ~25 usd.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	gigabit ethernet.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	128mb version, 15 usd.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	quite certainly parachutable behind enemy lines.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	!s liberator pistol	[23:28]
assbot	0 results for 'liberator pistol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=liberator+pistol	[23:28]
asciilifeform	was certain we spoke of it at one point	[23:29]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, out of these thousands boards to chose from, know any that features a Cortex-A57 CPU ?	[23:29]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: can't say from memory alone, i'm not an arm aficionado	[23:29]
Apocalyptic	alright, from what I got so far the ODROID-U2 looks decent, with a Cortex-A9 though	[23:30]
asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: what are you building ?	[23:30]
jurov	lolwut coinroll	[23:31]
jurov	pete_dushenski: it does kinda have pimp..er..affiliate program now	[23:31]
jurov	negotiate with namworld	[23:31]
Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, nothing in particular, just want to play with a board having a powerful CPU	[23:32]
pete_dushenski	jurov intriguing...	[23:32]
jurov	btw what about odroid? or it's turd?	[23:32]
pete_dushenski	;;seen namworld	[23:32]
gribble	namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: That's 888poker	[23:32]
asciilifeform	'pogoplug' may actually be the cheapest linux box presently sold.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	turns out.	[23:33]
kakobrekla	sez 50$ a year	[23:33]
asciilifeform	a year if you buy their idiot chumpcloud thing	[23:33]
asciilifeform	so far, as i understand, the hardware is a loss-leader.	[23:33]
kakobrekla	you have other source?	[23:33]
asciilifeform	hence it is exactly what we want.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	let the morons pay.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: one can buy the gadget without subscribing to the idiocy	[23:34]
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kakobrekla	weird	[23:34]
jurov	it's faster than rpi?	[23:34]
asciilifeform	jurov: not certain, as i've not tested it. but rpi had an uncommonly slow usb controller.	[23:35]
jurov	rumor has it that it has even slower i/o	[23:35]
asciilifeform	http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2110	[23:36]
assbot	Arch Linux ARM • View topic - Pogoplug Series 4 - Hardware CPU / Memory RAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj50BT )	[23:36]
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asciilifeform	they have sata jacks as well.	[23:36]
jurov	but..128 ram?	[23:36]
asciilifeform	anyone who can scavenge a laptop drive, can use.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	128m promises to be tight, to say the least, with current 0.5.3.x	[23:37]
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asciilifeform	the older 'pogoplug' actually shipped with 256m.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	for, iirc, the same cost.	[23:38]
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jurov	amazon sells them between $20-$60 depending on version	[23:40]
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asciilifeform	jurov: their 'p22' appears to ship with 256m. ~25 usd.	[23:42]
asciilifeform	again, i have not tried these machines.	[23:42]
asciilifeform	jurov, ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - if one of you presently has a 0.5.3.x in a vm, try running under hard constraint of 128 or 256m. see when croaks.	[23:44]
mod6	i'll put it on the list here...	[23:54]

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