Forum logs for 21 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu cazalla but when you quote what the man says whle the man's puffing up his business, you are in fact publishing paid pr. [00:00]
mircea_popescu whether you get paid or not. [00:00]
cazalla but i should've mentioned the non existent vol kraken has [00:00]
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mod6 ah. yeah, recall some mil stuff he talked about. been a while. i liked his angle on things. [00:00]
mod6 and he was teh grammar nazi & had a love for beating trolls. [00:01]
mircea_popescu ;;rated vragnaroda [00:01]
gribble You rated user vragnaroda on Sat Sep 22 16:11:20 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: when he's a naxi who keeps corecteing ppls grammer 24/7. [00:01]
mircea_popescu that was an actual quote. [00:01]
mod6 haha. yup. :) [00:01]
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mircea_popescu cazalla anyway, you can mention the time they lost customer deposits, too, round it all up, since it's there. [00:02]
kakobrekla fuck the deposits nice logo [00:04]
cazalla when did that happen [00:04]
mircea_popescu cazalla few months ago, they had this embarassing moment when they sent the same deposit address to anyone asking for a deposit address for a day or two [00:04]
mircea_popescu ended up with ~100 btc in deposits they couldn't properly credit. [00:04]
kakobrekla hm i have a different recollection but could as well be wrong [00:05]
kakobrekla could be it was a separate incident. [00:06]
kakobrekla but anyway, if you need to 'balance' things, you can always link bash :) [00:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla how did yours go ? [00:07]
kakobrekla now that i started to think about it it - the more i think the less i recall [00:07]
mircea_popescu heh. [00:08]
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bounce all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything. << oh yes. there was this mass-everything criminal, showed up everywhere, who eventually turned out to be a sloppy worker in a dna swab factory [00:08]
kakobrekla honestly, they still have issues all the time [00:08]
kakobrekla hard to keep up whats the latest problem [00:08]
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pete_dushenski howdy! [00:09]
mircea_popescu hey p. [00:09]
kakobrekla also i am unable to find anything written re that incident [00:10]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu heya wd on that latest usgaving piece :) [00:11]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla mpoe-pr told kraken pr to quit over their trying to paper over that incident. [00:11]
mircea_popescu [00:12]
assbot [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG [00:12]
PinkPosixPXE Good, almost done, I had to jump in a work meeting to discuss the Bash Shellshock vuln, and repatching some systems.. But I gave BingoBoingo an update, and will be sending it off shortly. It's my first shot at this, so I hope it's not too egregious. [00:12]
pete_dushenski fwiw our ddos buddy hit contravex with 30mbit/s for a whopping 30 mins. [00:12]
cazalla mircea_popescu, the no vol i'll include but this missing 100 and same deposit address i can find nothing of [00:12]
PinkPosixPXE mircea_popescu: ^ [00:12]
mircea_popescu and it was 600ish bitcoin they admitted to [00:12]
mircea_popescu cazalla link above :p [00:12]
cazalla ty [00:13]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE ok ok [00:13]
mircea_popescu ;;unrate PinkPosixPXE [00:13]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for PinkPosixPXE. [00:13]
mircea_popescu don't go around trying to buy ratings, it's criminal. [00:13]
kakobrekla yes rings bells mircea_popescu . [00:13]
PinkPosixPXE Yea, that was my mistake, the joke was in poor taste, and I also misunderstood the ranking system a bit. Sorry about that. [00:13]
mircea_popescu poor taste never got anyone in trouble here. [00:14]
mircea_popescu but some things *are* sacred [00:14]
kakobrekla and natural balances of the assiverse were restored [00:14]
PinkPosixPXE I will openly admit I am still learning, and new, but will try to avoid putting my foot in my mouth too much :P. I've combed over all the wiki's for bt-otc and bt-assets, and am going through the 6 months of logs as I find time. [00:15]
mircea_popescu what do you do for a living anyway ? [00:15]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo daniel "speeks" ? i'm not the only one who noticed this... [00:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:15]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski did the 30mbps do anything ? [00:15]
PinkPosixPXE I'm one of the Senior Linux/Unix Admins for a publishing company. [00:16]
mircea_popescu a hey. good for you. [00:16]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Where I spell ungood this time? [00:16]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i'm told the site was down but it was while i was sleeping. it was back up when i awoke. [00:16]
pete_dushenski so not much to speek of... [00:17]
mircea_popescu lol [00:17]
PinkPosixPXE Thank you much, and thank you for the unrate, and clarifying the matter :). [00:17]
mircea_popescu PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. [00:17]
pete_dushenski [00:18]
assbot Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [00:18]
pete_dushenski ^cuz rip penguirker [00:18]
mircea_popescu ahahaha didja run off with the niquette piece ? [00:19]
pete_dushenski ...maybe [00:20]
pete_dushenski plus some money logs! [00:21]
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pete_dushenski [00:22]
assbot We won without trying : Bitcoin [00:22]
mircea_popescu good, stuff needs to breathe. [00:23]
pete_dushenski in through the nose, out through the mouth. [00:23]
mircea_popescu "All those haters that come in here with economic models and charts telling us it's impossible; all the hit pieces penned by pros like Krugman telling us to 'grow up' - none of them really quite grasp that there could possibly be a group of people who have the audacity to sit around their hallowed poker table without needing to win." [00:24]
mircea_popescu ahem. [00:24]
mircea_popescu "bitcoin won without the reddit doge derps trying" [00:24]
mircea_popescu .... right. so ? [00:24]
pete_dushenski so majick! [00:24]
mircea_popescu let's pretend like things are other things and stuff!1 [00:24]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo maybe this is qorth a qntra ? [00:25]
assbot JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon: Bitcoin Will “Try to Eat Our Lunch” | Cryptocurrency And Bitcoin News information on other digital currencies. [00:25]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu reddit is bitcoin and vice versa so bitcoin winning is because of derpage! [00:25]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: You want to give newswriting a try? It's fun. [00:26]
pete_dushenski i did for a few years with the car industry. [00:26]
mircea_popescu lol isn't he a tad late ? but yeah [00:26]
pete_dushenski i had fun with it too. [00:26]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski so write it up. [00:27]
pete_dushenski yes mlad [00:27]
pete_dushenski :) [00:27]
mircea_popescu lol [00:28]
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kakobrekla PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. < meh the only way you can do anything in this direction is to be another reseller [00:29]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla best i can tell, all someone needs to do is a) be a sysadmin and b) colocate a few boxes in a decent dc [00:29]
mircea_popescu then sell space. [00:29]
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kakobrekla adding another liability in the chain [00:30]
mircea_popescu a liability could be a responsibility. [00:30]
mircea_popescu if it's someone you trust then it's someone you trust. [00:30]
mod6 yea, we need The Crypt like in cryptonomicon [00:31]
mircea_popescu colocate in locked boxes, don't allow the dc or anyone else any sort of access to the boxes, kivm or whatever [00:31]
mircea_popescu thus creating a single point of failure. which people can evaluate for trust. [00:31]
kakobrekla btc people wont pay for premium host [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00074197 = 17.6589 BTC [+] {2} [00:31]
kakobrekla cheap dirtbags [00:31]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla listen, people like the amateur ddos guy will be helping with this. [00:31]
kakobrekla by ddosing? [00:32]
mircea_popescu consider yest, qntra was up but say bingo's blog was down. well ? what's he to do ? [00:32]
mircea_popescu and yeah he'd pay. [00:32]
mircea_popescu yep [00:32]
kakobrekla average blogger cant afford any but free hosting [00:34]
mircea_popescu blogger that can't afford any but free hosting should stfu and turn the fries. [00:34]
mircea_popescu the idea that poor people have something to say boggles. [00:34]
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kakobrekla dunno, with hosting providers having the margins same as the fees of bitcoin exchanges [00:36]
kakobrekla there isnt much space [00:36]
mircea_popescu !up dr_love [00:37]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla i specifically recall say asciilifeform asking for one. [00:37]
mircea_popescu it's rare that you get the customers asking for you, usually people have to create markets [00:37]
dr_love mircea_popescu: thanks. [00:37]
mircea_popescu sure. who're you ? [00:37]
kakobrekla how did bitvps do? [00:37]
dr_love is there any value in a provably fair bitcoin lottery? [00:38]
mircea_popescu great, up until rg went on a drinking binge or w/e it was he did [00:38]
mircea_popescu dr_love define lottery ? [00:38]
jurov kakobrekla bitvps went down in flames [00:38]
jurov and kicked its customers at first occassion [00:38]
kakobrekla classic problem of small providers [00:39]
dr_love mircea_popescu: when you need to buy a ticket to have a 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx chance to win the jackpot [00:39]
mircea_popescu in short i'd put bitvps down to poor management rather than poor fundamentals. [00:39]
mircea_popescu dr_love how is this different from a dice site ? [00:39]
kakobrekla when one customer will threaten all the seven you got [00:39]
BingoBoingo dr_love: I'd recommend picking a fiat lottery and starting a BitBet on its drawing [00:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla that's a flawed premise. collective security, baby. [00:40]
dr_love mircea_popescu: player's perception? the jackpot grows huge after a few rollovers [00:40]
kakobrekla like cloudflare! [00:40]
mircea_popescu dr_love so it's a dice meets gem site ? [00:40]
dr_love well yeah, I was just looking at, where 50% goes to shit [00:41]
assbot EuroMillions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [00:41]
dr_love a Bitcoin lottery could do much better than that [00:41]
mircea_popescu dr_love basically it's a marketing wrapper on top of a dice site. best work as a promoter then i guess. [00:41]
jurov mircea_popescu: how do you imagine economic model of such hosting? if we put everything onnto one basked and then one ddos burns $100/week of bandwidth, who'll pay? [00:42]
dr_love so you're saying all gambling is dice, it being the best way to put it out there? [00:42]
jurov *basket [00:42]
BingoBoingo dr_love: Write a bitbet "Between XX/YY/ZZZ and AA/BB/CCC the sum of the numbers drawn in a powerball drawing will be Divisible by 37" put 1 BTC on yes, wait for people to take the other side when they do the math. [00:42]
dr_love *the best, most efficient wrapper [00:42]
mircea_popescu jurov a) most dcs that are even half decent don't charge for ddos ; b) those that do rent you fixed pipe anyway [00:42]
kakobrekla 100$ a week should not be a number of importance [00:42]
mircea_popescu so i dun get the question. [00:42]
kakobrekla or you are doing it wrong [00:43]
mircea_popescu buy 10gpps, put a rack in there, forget it. [00:43]
dr_love BingoBoingo: that is interesting [00:43]
jurov so you'll gonna having customers that dwarf the $100 figure right from the start? [00:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14904 @ 0.00074128 = 11.048 BTC [-] [00:43]
BingoBoingo dr_love: BitBet only takes 1% and most people who bet there can math [00:43]
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jurov is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog? [00:44]
jurov *wanting to pay [00:44]
mircea_popescu jurov so if a business isn't insta-cash positive it shouldn't exist ? [00:44]
kakobrekla no, he didnt get ddosed & kicked out yet :) [00:44]
BingoBoingo jurov: Well... if he doesn't have any other way to spend BTC it might be their only way to avoid burial with him. [00:44]
mircea_popescu start with oh i dunno, 10k in venture capital [00:44]
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m4rCsi malaimo_ mariorz mats_cd03 MCM-Mike menahem_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ MobGod mod6 Mrstickball mthreat [00:46]
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mircea_popescu !up MCM-Mike [00:46]
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jurov i'm a dc noob... how much is such a pipe? [00:46]
BingoBoingo!communications-bunker-paris-mo/c1kkg << prototype for BTC datacenter? [00:47]
assbot Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties [00:47]
dr_love mircea_popescu: so dice is the cutting edge in gambling, you're saying [00:47]
mircea_popescu jurov depends a lot where and for how long you're getting it, really. [00:47]
BingoBoingo dr_love: Well dice is the prototype for all of the pure chance games [00:47]
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dr_love btw, why aren't you running JD already? [00:47]
mircea_popescu cuz dooglus is not answering emails ? [00:47]
PinkPosixPXE There are some BTC only vps providers out there that I've gleamed, but haven't dug in.. Would be interesting to look into, I've got all the experience needed, and a few others I know are vps sellers/resellers (not that I'd recommend many of them, heh.. but I just find their style a bit sloppy). [00:47]
dr_love fucker [00:47]
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dr_love what a waste :( [00:48]
mircea_popescu hey, his thing. [00:48]
PinkPosixPXE brb, gonna finish this novel up and send it to BingoBoingo. [00:48]
BingoBoingo Oh a long one! [00:48]
mircea_popescu jesus, qntra chick lit now. [00:48]
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assbot 10GBPS Unmetered Dedicated Servers Windows and Linux Cpanel PLESK WHM [00:49]
jurov $600/mo + [00:50]
PinkPosixPXE Well.. since it's my first, I figure you can at least cut and scrap what you don't like. But I wanted to include as much as I could, didn't realize it'd be so long, heh.. [00:50]
mircea_popescu jurov that's a reseller. [00:50]
jurov just ballparking [00:50]
mircea_popescu should be more or less in the $100 range that you were discussing. [00:50]
dr_love BingoBoingo: what's "exciting" in lotto is the huge, lifechanging jackpot. dice is much more real in that sense, so the conversion rate might just be bigger in lotto [00:51]
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mircea_popescu but very congested places it can run significantly more, and some (esp new) places may be giving it away free for a long commit [00:51]
mircea_popescu dr_love understand : either the player wins his own money (ie, risks 1 cent, may make 100 btc 1:10000 times) [00:51]
bounce "13 acres" parces size and "8200 sqft usable, underground space". seems like a rather small bunker for that plot of land. so essentially buying a farm with some stray concrete in the soil? [00:51]
bounce s/parces/parcel/ [00:51]
mircea_popescu or else he wins other's money. to get a jackpot large you need a bunch of idiots to play a bad odds gamre for a long time. [00:51]
mircea_popescu they may just as well play dice in that interval for better EV [00:51]
BingoBoingo bounce: Well more parcel for smaller bunker means more surface area for missiles to miss [00:52]
dr_love I do understand that, however people are perceiving it differently and positive EV tickets are a few jackpot rollovers away [00:52]
mircea_popescu bounce 8k sqft underground is a respectable wine cellar. [00:52]
mircea_popescu dr_love you can still run it like BingoBoingo suggested, for no extra cost, if you got the "people" in question [00:53]
bounce what was it used for, missiles? [00:53]
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BingoBoingo bounce: That one ATT long lines. [00:55]
BingoBoingo Another interesting candidate for DC use!storage-depot-ne-kansas/c1d1o [00:55]
assbot Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties [00:55]
BingoBoingo "Storage Depot" [00:56]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pretty much the only thing about a dc location is if it's on a ring or not. [00:56]
mircea_popescu is there one in kansas ? [00:56]
bounce that's positive, means presumably already optimised for sticking in racked gear, except probably not for the density and consequent heat required these days [00:57]
dr_love what if you fund it for it to be neutral EV from t0 with a little jackpot kickstarter fund on the side? you can surely make it back if you grab enough attention with the initial offering [00:57]
BingoBoingo That one seems to be by KC, so probably feasible to get fiber from a few different directions [00:57]
bounce might be more useful to shoot for two of those connected to each other, and stick some fibre in the connecting tubes. maybe check if there's still copper in there and sell it. [00:58]
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kakobrekla speaking of bunkers [00:59]
kakobrekla heh [00:59]
assbot CyberBunker DataCenters [00:59]
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mircea_popescu << seems west kansas should be ok [00:59]
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BingoBoingo!nike-indiana/c1aq8 << Missile Magazine to home conversion [01:00]
assbot Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties [01:00]
mircea_popescu dr_love hence the "gem website" reference. [01:00]
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bounce cb3rob and friends are complete nitwits, sadly. claim to've snagged the thing "with sovereignty" then allows a bunch of idiots to burn the place down with a meth lab and on top of that lets the (soi-disant foreign) authorities in. [01:01]
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mircea_popescu Once the SWAT team reached the bunker's blast doors, they 'knock' to announce their presence. It is unclear exactly what they say, as no sound is recorded from the surveillance system. CyberBunker is equipped with an advanced Intruder Detection System (IDS), however due to a testing drill the previous night the IDS system was accidentally left in the inactive mode. Two SWAT officers are seen to hit the blast door of th [01:02]
mircea_popescu e bunker with a battering ram. It must not have occurred to the officers that the blast doors were designed to withstand a 20 megaton nuclear explosion from close range. When the SWAT team realized that the door was not being opened for them, they throw flashbangs and take other actions to draw attention. The surveillance footage shows quite a lot of activity at this point. On the other side of the blast doors, no one [01:02]
mircea_popescu inside the bunker noticed anything unusual. The SWAT team did some further investigating, and appears to be making phone calls. Finally the SWAT team realized what occurred when City Hall attempted to breach the blast doors. Apparently recognizing that they had gone overboard on their raid, the SWAT team decided to go home. [01:02]
mircea_popescu aww. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu dat phonecall lol. like a chick stood up on a date, only lulzier. [01:03]
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bounce that is the upside to "forgetting" to turn on your "advanced surveillance system" on your cold war bunker. "what, swat tried to raid us? didn't notice" [01:03]
undata that is beautiful [01:03]
mircea_popescu "CyberBunker's lawyers later discovered that the police had indeed sent officers to the bunker for what they claimed was a “routine check” and that nothing out of the ordinary had taken place. When CyberBunker's lawyers suggested that the surveillance footage could be put online, the police department then quickly offered to pay to repair the damage caused to the fence. [01:04]
mircea_popescu After paying € 8088.- euros to CyberBunker, nothing further was heard from the SWAT team." [01:04]
mircea_popescu ahem. shitheads. [01:04]
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BingoBoingo !up dr_love [01:04]
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BingoBoingo !up Diablo-D3 [01:04]
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kakobrekla at least they admi it [01:04]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: that was proven to be completely false [01:04]
kakobrekla admit [01:04]
Diablo-D3 someone called their local cops [01:04]
Diablo-D3 it never happened [01:04]
kakobrekla yeah like cops will say "yeah we are such dorks" [01:05]
kakobrekla not saying its true story, just your argument is meh [01:05]
Diablo-D3 kakobrekla: they did a lot of research into it [01:05]
Diablo-D3 and theres zero proof it ever happened [01:05]
undata "It was ruled a suicide with 4 shots to the back of the head." [01:05]
kakobrekla reeshurrdurrch [01:05]
Diablo-D3 so cyberbunker is just another scam [01:06]
undata Diablo-D3: citation [01:06]
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mircea_popescu "they". who ? [01:06]
Diablo-D3 undata: well thats the problem [01:06]
Diablo-D3 undata: cyberbunker needs to cite that it actually happened [01:06]
Diablo-D3 and by their own admission, they wont post the video [01:06]
Diablo-D3 but its not because they were paid off by the police to hide it [01:07]
Diablo-D3 its because there isnt one [01:07]
mircea_popescu it could be, sure. [01:07]
mircea_popescu or it could not be. so far, word against word. [01:07]
Diablo-D3 people were even offering money for proof [01:08]
Diablo-D3 nothing ever came up [01:08]
mircea_popescu "people" "money", meh. [01:08]
Diablo-D3 this was big news a few years back [01:08]
undata Diablo-D3: yeah, I want citations in both directions [01:08]
Diablo-D3 undata: well, Im not going to cite something that long ago [01:08]
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Diablo-D3 I dont think the scam is still operating [01:08]
mircea_popescu so basically you had nothing to say ? [01:08]
undata Diablo-D3: you're claiming "scam" hence citation or gtfo [01:09]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: I already said it [01:09]
Diablo-D3 it was debunked. [01:09]
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mircea_popescu except it wasn't. [01:09]
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Diablo-D3 no proof it ever happened, they refused to provide it [01:09]
Diablo-D3 so it never happened [01:09]
mircea_popescu right. [01:09]
mircea_popescu good enough. [01:09]
mircea_popescu in other news, [01:10]
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mircea_popescu ahhh. hey, am i the only strega fan here ? [01:12]
mircea_popescu ;;google liquore strega [01:12]
gribble Strega (liqueur) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Liquore Strega Herbal Liqueur Profile and Cocktail Recipes - Cocktails: ; Liquore Strega : Strega Alberti Benevento S.p.A.: [01:12]
dr_love mircea_popescu: is it off topic if I ask you what do you think of jarmusch, the filmmaker? any fav movies? [01:12]
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mircea_popescu dr_love nothing's offtopic anyway. kakobrekla's favourite film director. [01:12]
kakobrekla certainly one of the fav yes. [01:13]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla who else ? [01:13]
dr_love I'm just starting to discover him, watched the limits of control recently [01:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema coffee and cigarettes [01:14]
gribble Coffee Talk Table of Contents - Columbia Evangelical Seminary: ; UI Critical Thinking Handbook: Chapter Seven -- Theory: ; Topic tags for the tutor2u Economics blog: [01:14]
mircea_popescu hm [01:14]
kakobrekla nothing out of the ordinary list. kubrick and such. [01:14]
kakobrekla and from 'local' ones, kustarica [01:15]
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mircea_popescu anyway, i thought i had written about coffee and ciggs. seems not ?! [01:18]
dr_love you should [01:19]
kakobrekla dr_love : from him dead man and the limits of control [01:19]
kakobrekla dead men being lulzy as fuck [01:19]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla o you didn't like coffee and ciggs ? [01:20]
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kakobrekla i dont recall if i watched it? [01:20]
dr_love kakobrekla, what about only lovers left alive [01:20]
kakobrekla i havent seen it [01:21]
kakobrekla seems a new thing [01:21]
kakobrekla limits of control is a metaphysical art movie. [01:21]
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morgan-freeman_ hey guys, did you see this epic use of bitcoin? [01:23]
dr_love kakobrekla: ye, I like the way his movies aren't intended as message films. it's more like art, really [01:23]
morgan-freeman_ i am literally laughing my shit off [01:23]
kakobrekla morgan-freeman_ now you only need to ship it. [01:24]
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morgan-freeman_ to shit it and ship it [01:24]
kakobrekla dr_love myea sort of. one more than others naturally. [01:24]
mircea_popescu morgan-freeman_ let me guess, you can mail shit to people ? [01:25]
kakobrekla correct [01:25]
mircea_popescu new way to stegano, i guess. [01:26]
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morgan-freeman_ well, I don't know but there is only a horse manure as a choice.. once I saw an elephant shit on one site, but no bitcoins [01:26]
bounce why are you spamming this in as many channels as you can? [01:26]
mircea_popescu yeah, morgan-freeman_ is this your site ? [01:26]
dr_love what do you guys listen to? [01:27]
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mircea_popescu << send krugman one lb, i'll pay you once he gets it. [01:27]
assbot Paul Krugman's house (Bing Maps) - Virtual Globetrotting [01:27]
kakobrekla >At the end of a tree-lined driveway in the small Dutch town of Goes sits a hulking gray bunker, a communications center built by the Dutch military in 1955. Its 60 rooms are mostly bare save for a few relics, including a cinderblock-size phone and a giant board that used to record nuclear attack alert levels across Europe. There’s no sign of the high-tech nerve center depicted on the CyberBunker website: no racks of supersecur [01:28]
kakobrekla e servers; no underground swimming pool. No Sven Olaf Kamphuis either. [01:28]
kakobrekla lol [01:29]
kakobrekla apparently a legit company bought this fake company bunker. [01:29]
kakobrekla legit hosting company [01:29]
kakobrekla dunno [01:29]
mircea_popescu haha link ? [01:29]
kakobrekla all is weird [01:29]
morgan-freeman_ bounce: I don't spam! my friends told me to put it on #bitcoin-assets and #bitcoin-otc - I've never seen these two channels so I tried [01:29]
kakobrekla [01:29]
assbot CyberBunker: Hacking as Performance Art - Businessweek [01:29]
bounce who're these friends of yours? [01:29]
kakobrekla “It was all Photoshop,” says Guido Blaauw, general manager of the bunker’s current tenant, a company called Bunkerinfra Datacenters, which plans to turn the site into a data facility for corporate and government clients. The building was full of junk when Bunkerinfra started renovations two years ago. “It took us three months to clean it out,” Blaauw says. Kamphuis lived there for a few years in the early 2000s, sub [01:29]
kakobrekla letting a room from its owner at that time. According to Blaauw, Kamphuis seized on the image of the bunker as a marketing tool to attract Russian and Chinese clients who wanted a secure place to host their websites. “It’s time to put an end to the fairy tale,” Blaauw says. [01:29]
mircea_popescu o hey. [01:30]
morgan-freeman_ bounce: just my friends :-) but I suppose some of their friends created the website [01:31]
bounce that isn't really an answer. [01:31]
morgan-freeman_ bounce: or they saw it today on [01:31]
undata :-) One weird trick to mail shit to your friends! Must see! [01:31]
BingoBoingo morgan-freeman_: How is your shit better than the shit I can by by the truckload at the farm down the road for a few dollars a ton? [01:32]
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dr_love I know a few people who I look up to, who have bad taste in art. I always wondered if there's a correlation of some sort [01:33]
kakobrekla bing'o'shit express? [01:33]
mircea_popescu dr_love some pretty girls are terrible lays, too. [01:33]
mircea_popescu just how the world works. [01:33]
mircea_popescu lol bing'o'shit express now that sounds like business. [01:33]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Well if you are mailing shit why get clean clinically presentd shit from the Internet while there's piles of shit Dairy farms are selling which has been stewing all summer. [01:34]
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kakobrekla hmm [01:35]
kakobrekla for more effect you could just modify a 'jokerbox' to 'shitbox' [01:35]
kakobrekla illustration not necessary. [01:36]
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mircea_popescu !up dr_love [01:39]
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dr_love means it works the other way too? retards can show appreciation for good art? [01:41]
mircea_popescu sure. [01:41]
mircea_popescu dogs loive music all the time, too. [01:41]
dr_love or shit artists can create good art, from time to time [01:42]
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dr_love illustrious example: [01:43]
assbot GEORGE MICHAEL Spinning the wheel - YouTube [01:43]
dr_love sorry, [01:45]
assbot George Michael - Spinning The Wheel - YouTube [01:45]
fluffypony I'm 14 and what is this [01:47]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.8359 BTC. Current weight: 64,561. [01:47]
bounce oh. you went over to the dark side too then? [01:49]
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asciilifeform jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog << machine is wanted for - currently home to 'phuctor.' i've an astonishingly vast quantity of donated pubkeys - job that wants real, vs. virtual, cpu to crunch (and plentiful memory) [01:56]
asciilifeform bunker << if against usg - grave. marauders - sure, so long as you have independent air, water, fuel, food supplies. [01:56]
asciilifeform if you're a very special customer, they'll pump in sarin/vx. [01:57]
bounce what sort of cpu do you need? would gpu do? [01:57]
asciilifeform these were never designed to withstand physical attack by men (vs nuke) [01:57]
asciilifeform bounce: no [01:57]
asciilifeform my father, as a private in soviet army, was trained, like many others, to take out 'silo' type missile installations with ordinary grenade. (how? jam the door by propping small explosive, e.g., grenade, under one rail. tricky bit is to get to the damn thing, across an ocean and under guard...) [01:58]
asciilifeform but hypothetical enemy in our modern scenario has no problem getting to the door. [01:59]
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cazalla "blah blah new australian exchange is where investors, traders and everyday people come to buy and sell Bitcoin." today's vol 21 btc [02:02]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat operating inside? [02:03]
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kakobrekla isnt cutting the net pipe the first and the last thing ? [02:04]
BingoBoingo ^ that [02:04]
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BingoBoingo But who knows? maybe drilling netpipe to china will be feasible eventually [02:05]
kakobrekla even if you have a netpipe straight down its sill easy to undercut it [02:08]
kakobrekla : [02:08]
BingoBoingo Yeah [02:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla through earth pipe will never happen [02:09]
BingoBoingo It might [02:09]
mircea_popescu mantle movements and besides, it's where lava comes from [02:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it provably won;t, no. [02:09]
kakobrekla shutthefuckup in this metaphysical conversation [02:09]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No one said it would last [02:10]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo my first qntra is ready for your consideration: [02:10]
assbot Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" - [02:10]
BingoBoingo Just needs to work long enough to pass "hello Wor[melts]" kind of like reverse moon probe [02:10]
mircea_popescu o hecy check that out, 7 pieces today so far ? [02:11]
pete_dushenski what a team! [02:11]
mircea_popescu im pretty impressed yeah [02:12]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo hopefully you have footnotes plug-in that accepts double brackets ? [02:12]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Who doesn't [02:12]
mircea_popescu lol standards are a thinb [02:12]
pete_dushenski lol there's a square bracket one too yknow [02:12]
pete_dushenski i don't use it but it exists [02:13]
pete_dushenski and i kept the contravex links to a single one ;) [02:13]
Apocalyptic in other news [02:14]
mircea_popescu "I am Ratna, 47 years, still having good figure, which is a result of satisfying fucking with different people during last 15 year. In my first 32 year I took only one cock in my cunt whereas in next 15 year I must have taken at least 3000 cocks in my body. This all because of my only son." [02:14]
mircea_popescu logic. [02:14]
pete_dushenski yup. no conflating variables there. [02:14]
mircea_popescu all these planes keep crashing in russia ... [02:15]
kakobrekla but its been like days since the last one [02:15]
mircea_popescu ah right. nm, my bad. [02:15]
pete_dushenski still safer than russian cars too so that maxim holds [02:15]
kakobrekla he ends with 'im sure we will be getting in more details as we get them.' [02:17]
kakobrekla righto [02:17]
BingoBoingo << pete_dushenski [02:20]
assbot Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" | [02:20]
kakobrekla >his new Lords < extra space [02:20]
pete_dushenski [02:21]
assbot My first piece for /qntra: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" [02:21]
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pete_dushenski my goodness we're an efficient bunch [02:22]
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pete_dushenski have a wonderful evening b-a! [02:25]
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kakobrekla ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: [02:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:26]
kakobrekla eh [02:26]
kakobrekla ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: [02:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:26]
assbot Y Combinator: The American Idol of Venture Capital | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [02:26]
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mircea_popescu lol kako teh pentester [02:56]
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ben_vulpes does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage? [03:15]
cazalla [03:17]
assbot Independent Reserve Becomes Australia's Latest Bitcoin Exchange | [03:17]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes etc. [03:19]
assbot Page not found - [03:19]
mircea_popescu eh ?! [03:19]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [03:19]
ben_vulpes all i have is the github repo [03:20]
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mircea_popescu !up TheKingOfCPU [03:20]
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TheKingOfCPU hi [03:20]
TheKingOfCPU hi everyone [03:21]
TheKingOfCPU =) [03:21]
mircea_popescu ello. [03:21]
ben_vulpes salad [03:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes << there [03:22]
mircea_popescu etc [03:22]
ben_vulpes ya got it [03:23]
mike_c should the news have as much of a slant as a blog post? [03:24]
mike_c or, to rephrase. a news article shouldn't have as much of a slant as a blog post. [03:24]
ben_vulpes "news" is all slant [03:24]
mike_c all communication has a slant. a news article should strive to have less than a blogger. [03:25]
cazalla mike_c which article [03:25]
mike_c i don't mean to poop on pete, but his is the one i just read. [03:26]
cazalla it is listed under commentary [03:26]
mike_c ok, that is good. but that is also news i would like to have. [03:26]
mircea_popescu mike_c be specific ? [03:27]
mike_c generally the editorial that is slanted is not the only source of news on the topic. [03:27]
mircea_popescu (i've not read it) [03:27]
mike_c " the world's largest banks gathered together to hold hands and sing kumbaya in the hope that Bitcoin would be gentle" [03:27]
TheKingOfCPU is maynous an instrument? [03:28]
mike_c nothing wrong with this in a commentary, but I would also like to be able to read the un-slanted version. [03:28]
mircea_popescu yeah hardly news this. [03:28]
TheKingOfCPU is maynous an instrument? [03:28]
kakobrekla should be pythra instead qntra [03:28]
mircea_popescu !down TheKingOfCPU [03:28]
cazalla mike_c, which pete linked to but it's a commentary and as news alone, i don't think anyone cares what someone said regarding bitcoin so it could only be commentary on qntra [03:28]
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mircea_popescu cazalla no but he has a point, what kumbaya. [03:29]
BingoBoingo I hit publish on Pete's piece, in the Commentary category not the news category. [03:33]
cazalla usurper! [03:34]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:34]
BingoBoingo My bad [03:34]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know ther's really no diff the site makes. if commentary went to a special page you had to click for then i see it [03:34]
mircea_popescu but as is, it's all the same thing, aka news. [03:35]
cazalla this independent reserve mob are on irc apparently, just wrong network and channel [03:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat << if the universe favoured defenders of castles, rather than attackers, bitcoin would not be necessary [03:35]
asciilifeform the 'martian bank' could be a literal martian bank. [03:35]
mircea_popescu anyway, guy's prose is rather florid, but there IS a news bit in there. [03:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well what protected the Wasp's bag? [03:36]
mircea_popescu cazalla where ? [03:36]
BingoBoingo Why can't a datacenter be protected similarly? [03:36]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: until destroyed - obscurity [03:36]
cazalla #ir but i've invited them here [03:36]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And maybe people learn not to visit datacenters uninvited... [03:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cut pipe from safe distance. [03:37]
BingoBoingo Safe distance is a mystery though... [03:37]
mircea_popescu cazalla good idea. [03:38]
asciilifeform a datacenter that can't be diddled from a safe distance is also called 'a nuclear power' [03:38]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nothing I said contradicts that conclusion. At $900k/BTC a lot of things become possibilities [03:39]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:41]
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BingoBoingo !b 2 [03:45]
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mircea_popescu dude varnish is sweet. [03:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu re-varnishing transformers again? [03:53]
mircea_popescu nono, varnish the web cache [03:53]
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mircea_popescu [03:54]
assbot Varnish Software [03:54]
asciilifeform varnish - lives on transformers. [03:54]
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ben_vulpes varnish is okay [03:56]
ben_vulpes so: isStandard() - this is not related to blockchain and transaction processing rules, correct? [03:57]
ben_vulpes no it's totally in the transaction processing rules [03:58]
ben_vulpes if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork [03:58]
ben_vulpes if an 0.9 *node*... [03:58]
asciilifeform [03:59]
assbot Google to nix piracy sites in search rank - Computer Business Review [03:59]
danielpbarron what is it with people pronouncing '0' as 'oh'? [04:00]
ben_vulpes syllabic efficiency [04:00]
danielpbarron "an zero" sounds strange [04:00]
ben_vulpes wouldn't it be "a zero"? [04:00]
ben_vulpes ah hue [04:01]
ben_vulpes i'm retarded, it's fine [04:01]
danielpbarron well no; not if you pronounce it "an oh point nine" [04:01]
ben_vulpes i'd probably say "oh nine", but i should write "a 0.9..." [04:02]
ben_vulpes and i never say the decimal [04:02]
ben_vulpes "oh nine three" [04:02]
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danielpbarron "zero point nine point three" [04:03]
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ben_vulpes i'm sure it matters to someone [04:04]
bounce ``In August 2012 we first announced that we would downrank sites for which we received a large number of valid DMCA notices.'' -- they get flooded with bot-generated "DMCA notices". what do they do to make sure they're "valid"? looking at youtube, not that much. [04:07]
asciilifeform 'heighten the contradictions' [04:09]
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mircea_popescu if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork << yep [04:12]
mircea_popescu and an incurable one, at that. [04:12]
mircea_popescu this was the mechanism of the previous hard fork : .8 miners included tx rejected by the network, moved on a different chain. [04:13]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, that's Adam Tepper from that new aussie exchange [04:15]
mircea_popescu is this the thing with the bitfury buys ? [04:15]
cazalla no, that's digitalBTC [04:15]
mircea_popescu ah independent reserve, kay. [04:16]
AdamIR http://www.independentreserve is our site. [04:16]
AdamIR Thanks for the invitation and introduction cazalla. [04:16]
AdamIR rather. [04:16]
assbot Independent Reserve - The Bitcoin Market [04:16]
mircea_popescu AdamIR get in the wot. actually why aren';t you in there already ? [04:16]
undata [04:19]
assbot Officials warn 500 million financial records hacked [04:19]
undata << "Our government and our businesses are in a daily fight against hackers," Pawlenty said. "It's getting increasingly concerning, and it needs to be met with action by Congress." >> [04:19]
undata oh good, more legislation [04:19]
AdamIR mircea_popescu - I joined #bitcoin-otc. Will have a look in more detail later, thanks. [04:19]
mircea_popescu cazalla i imagine these should really be all massed into one weekly post or something. X, Y and Z opened. K L and M closed." [04:19]
asciilifeform microshit still not razed and employees not publicly impaled, news at 11. [04:19]
mircea_popescu maybe even have a dead pool [04:19]
kakobrekla AdamIR you dont want to be there. [04:20]
undata asciilifeform: they're going to make hacking even more illegal; you'll see! [04:20]
mircea_popescu oh good, more legislation << asciilifeform has it. "everyone ever worked for microsoft, one year in prison per year worked, plus one year in prison per 100k in salary ever received. sentences over 20 years commuted to death." [04:20]
AdamIR kakobrekla - just having a look what it's all about. [04:20]
mircea_popescu everyone OTHER than ms has a year to either discontinue their business or fix it. [04:20]
mircea_popescu check out the sudden security everywhere [04:20]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, that's an idea, i like to cover them just so i know if/when they close i have something to refer back to if they change their story at that point [04:21]
mircea_popescu AdamIRAway ok, so when you say last mover advantage/having studied what others did worng, what specifically do you mean ? [04:21]
asciilifeform 'One Romanian hacker was lured to Boston by Secret Service Special Agent Matt O'Neill, who used the Internet to pose as a woman and invite the cybercriminal on a trip to the USA to enjoy gambling and romance. "He was quite surprised that I was the one meeting him when he arrived," said O'Neill, who worked on the case for months.' << lol, is anyone actually this stupid? even sp4mz0rs? [04:21]
mircea_popescu cazalla yeah, i feel you. but should really be one paragraph at best. just the details. [04:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. [04:22]
AdamIRAway mircea_popescu... there's a number of things we do right, particularly compared with others in the Australia-Pacific region. [04:22]
mircea_popescu AdamIRAway the idea was for specificity. [04:23]
AdamIRAway Yes... typing... [04:23]
mircea_popescu no rush. [04:23]
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AdamIRAway I realise some other exchanges do some of these things, but some of the ways I think that Independent Reserve is ahead of a lot of our competition is... [04:23]
AdamIRAway 1. Rather than rely on a technology/IT focused team (which is my own background), we brought onboard a lot of the executive team and investors with FX Markets, Investment Banking and Finance background, which I think has helped in many of the decisions we have made, and connections that we have made, and gives better overall balance and credibility to what we do. [04:25]
mircea_popescu sure, go can't hurt. [04:26]
AdamIRAway 2. Rather than launch something quickly, we developed an enterprise level trading system over a period of twelve months and followed best practice in software development to develop a platform that we believe is secure, robust and stable. My own background as well as that of our CTO is in enterprise software development, and previously worked for many financial institutions in Australia. [04:26]
AdamIRAway 3. We have a very rich API. I realise other exchanges have this also, but not so in Australia. [04:27]
mircea_popescu what ever came of MMADX incidentally ? [04:27]
AdamIRAway 4. Most people, particularly Australians (but other nationalities also), can verify themselves online within minutes, usually without having to submit any identification documents. In some cases we can't automatically verify that, we can still verify manually. [04:27]
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AdamIRAway 5. Australians can make BPAY Deposits (it's an Australian thing), but we convert this to USD at around 2.5 % better than most banks will. International clients can do a SWIFT transfer direct into our USD account. The other Australian exchange trades AUD/XBT, but we chose USD to provide greater liquidity. [04:29]
mircea_popescu << [04:29]
assbot Australian Company to Automate Multi-Trillion Dollar Debt Market MMADX | [04:29]
mircea_popescu seems to have been "going to" in 2012 and then suddenly dissapeared. [04:29]
mircea_popescu is this a reuse of that platform ? [04:29]
AdamIRAway 6. I think we are the only Bitcoin exchange in the world that is audited by one of the major auditing firms - PricewaterhouseCoopers [04:29]
mike_c PWC, the bitcoin experts! :) [04:30]
gabriel_laddel "to develop a platform that *we believe* is secure, robust and stable..." [04:30]
gabriel_laddel [emphasis mine] [04:30]
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AdamIRAway 7. And again, this only applies to Australians. Because we are an open market exchange (not a brokerage), we are not obligated to charge 10 % GST on transactions, like other brokerages in the region do. [04:30]
decimation AdamIRAway: you realize you basically saying "we are awesome at kyc/aml" [04:30]
mircea_popescu decimation well, generally, "at interfacing with austrialian banks" [04:31]
AdamIRAway decimation... it's important to take KYC/AML seriously, in order for us to work with banks. We do our best to make it as painless as possible for our clients, if we can. [04:31]
asciilifeform obligatory: [04:32]
mircea_popescu "MMADX hopes to turn profitable in 2015. According to the presentation, its projected earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2016 and 2017 are A$23.2 million and A$34.2 million, respectively. At that time, or before, the company could undertake an initial public offering, the presentation states." [04:32]
mircea_popescu so it never actually listed, best i can discern. did it close down ? [04:32]
decimation AdamIRAway: are you going to be transparent to your customers w.r.t. actual daily balances? [04:32]
decimation or is that only for pwc? [04:32]
asciilifeform 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all [04:32]
asciilifeform of their profits are being used to pay executive salaries this will have to be built at extremely low cost. Deficiencies in the softwrae will enable vast numbers of Americans to download Bambi for free, their ISPs will be forced to rat them out, and they will all get to see Martha's Stewart's cell in West Virginia first hand...' (greenspun. ) [04:32]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » 2005 » March » 08 [04:32]
mircea_popescu cazalla if you have a clue how to go through the aussie corp register, it's company code: 34149069910 [04:33]
AdamIRAway gabriel_laddel... my emphasis was on *secure, robust and scalable* ;) [04:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, didja know that what actually broke the chicago mob was their ill advised attempt to muscle hollywood into shape ? [04:33]
BingoBoingo AdamIRAway: Does you exchange handle shoebox in the mail full of paper money transactions? [04:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: unsurprising [04:34]
decimation people who tell the masses how to think and vote tend to maintain their position [04:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: probably not, but your postman does! [04:34]
gabriel_laddel AdamIRAway: I see. [04:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: he'll be happy to pay his grocery bill with them. [04:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: propaganda ministry wins over ordinary mob [04:35]
AdamIRAway decimation... Pwc will be auditing our finances, and we will make their report available. We are looking to engage them to audit our XBT reserves as well shortly. We aren't currently transparent day-to-day regarding our reserves/balances, but it is obviously something we will be looking to do shortly after our launch. [04:35]
cazalla mircea_popescu, Cancelled from 28 Feb 2014 [04:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But in future world a shoebox full a benjies buys what? A single tomatoe? [04:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: a few minutes of fire in potbelly stove [04:36]
decimation AdamIRAway: that pretty much sounds to me something like "we plan to float bitcoin and hope we don't get screwed" [04:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, since michael go doesn't seem on the menu, how did you get Admiral Markets's very own Lasanka Perera ? or what exactly is the arrangement there ? [04:37]
AdamIRAway decimation... I'm not sure how you interpreted my statement to reach that viewpoint. We take both our USD and XBT reserves very seriously, and will be looking to provide cryptograhic proof of our Bitcoin reserves shortly. [04:38]
AdamIRAway Lasanka Perera is a friend of mine, and co-founder of Independent Reserve. [04:39]
cazalla mircea_popescu, [04:39]
assbot Australian Company MONEY MARKET AND DEBT EXCHANGE PTY. LTD. ACN 149 069 910 - [04:39]
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mircea_popescu AdamIRAway any comment on how MMDX got deregistered ? [04:40]
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AdamIRAway mircea_popescu - no sorry, can you give me some more context? [04:41]
mircea_popescu yes. the context is like so : an old time forex broker with a kind-of mlm-y past that used to do metals and everything got together with a guy that had a company that was going to trade debt advertised then suddenly disappeared. they hired a coupla software dudes (you and the Przelozny) and a very clueless legal chick with no practice. in this context, i'm trying to figure out exactly how did said debt trading platform [04:43]
mircea_popescu company get closed down. [04:43]
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mircea_popescu now my thinking is that you couldn't have spent very long making a dedicated platform, seeing how this just happened this year, so you're either reusing one or the other. i somehow doubt it's admiral's platform, so prolly im guessing mmdx's ? [04:44]
mircea_popescu !up AdamIRAway [04:44]
-assbot- You voiced AdamIRAway for 30 minutes. [04:44]
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AdamIRAway mircea_popescu... I think you have the wrong idea about several points. [04:45]
mircea_popescu well that's good, that's what you're here for after all. [04:46]
BingoBoingo Eric S Raymond builds a computer >> [04:46]
assbot Spending the “Help Stamp Out CVS In Your Lifetime” fund [04:46]
AdamIRAway First of all, I'm not involved in any waay with MMDX - I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned it. [04:46]
mircea_popescu but you did some research on your partners or no ? [04:46]
AdamIRAway Secondly, we aren't using any software from Admiral Markets or MMDX, not a single line of code, I don't know what systems they've used previously. Our systems have been developed in-house over the past 15 months. [04:46]
asciilifeform eric raymond << obligatory: [04:47]
assbot Everybody loves Eric Raymond [04:47]
mircea_popescu so this thing has existed for the past 15 months ?! [04:47]
asciilifeform [04:47]
assbot Everybody loves Eric Raymond » GPL sucker punch [04:47]
asciilifeform ^ [04:47]
AdamIRAway Thirdly. Nobody hired a "couple of software dudes and a clueless legal chick", as you described... [04:47]
AdamIRAway Myself, along with Adrian Przelozny are the majority shareholders of Independent Reserve. [04:48]
mircea_popescu o, it goes the other way ? [04:48]
mircea_popescu interesting. [04:48]
mircea_popescu ok so basically you and the prezelozny fellow made this thing and reached out for some consultancy work from finance and legal peeps ? [04:49]
AdamIRAway Our Compliance Specialist has a lot of experience in compliance obviously, and through her we have engaged Baker & McKenzie for specialised legal advice as required. [04:49]
* RagnarDanneskjol wonders how long this infomercial for indy reserve will go on (also do they have shiraz blend?).. changes channel [04:49]
AdamIRAway RagnarDanneskjol... I was invited here, and asked questions. [04:49]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol it's the trade gazette, what do you want. ppl gotta be able to answer. [04:49]
RagnarDanneskjol ok cool [04:50]
mircea_popescu AdamIRAway dun worry about it. [04:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nao I have more to read [04:50]
AdamIRAway Sorry they haven't been to your liking, I will be happy to leave if it's not welcome. [04:50]
RagnarDanneskjol dont mind me - sounded more like advert than adderessing relevant Qs [04:50]
mircea_popescu AdamIRAway anyway, i think i get the basic idea. it's not bad or anything. get in the wot so bitcoin people have a direct point of contact and other than that, time will tell. [04:51]
asciilifeform [04:52]
assbot Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Eric buys an Ipod [04:52]
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BingoBoingo I remember his printer rant [05:00]
AdamIRAway mircea_popescu... I've just been trying to get some context regarding what you were saying before... I thought you were referring to something Lasanka had been involved with... [05:00]
AdamIRAway Adrian Przelozny, Lasanka Perera and myself were the co-founders of Independent Reserve. [05:01]
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AdamIR2 I realise now you were talking about Michael Go, and his involvement with MMADX several years ago. I don't know the details of his involvement with that, but it is not connected with Independent Reserve. [05:04]
AdamIR2 On that note... I need to go back and so some work. Thanks for your questions. [05:04]
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ben_vulpes was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? [05:09]
asciilifeform 'directly' ? [05:11]
decimation wasn't it always in a Berkeley db? [05:11]
ben_vulpes as opposed to BDB [05:11]
decimation like, as a flat text file or something? [05:12]
* ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business. [05:12]
ben_vulpes decimation: i imagined something like that, yeah. [05:12]
decimation I doubt it, that would be crazy [05:12]
decimation the code is out there for reading though, I suppose [05:12]
ben_vulpes still working through the changelog [05:13]
asciilifeform [05:13]
decimation asciilifeform: is that the 'satoshi' original turd? [05:13]
asciilifeform << possibly [05:14]
assbot v0.1 [05:14]
* asciilifeform did not check the signature [05:14]
BingoBoingo [05:15]
assbot Intel Subsidiary Fined for Crypto Export | [05:15]
decimation hashs check the website, fwiw [05:15]
mircea_popescu was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? << yes. [05:16]
mircea_popescu but that was long, long ago. [05:16]
mircea_popescu I doubt it, that would be crazy << o yeah ? THE WALLET FILE WAS UNENCRYPTED. [05:17]
mircea_popescu FOR TWO YEARS. [05:17]
decimation hehe good point [05:17]
mircea_popescu do not even get me started. they're using qt for fucks sake. [05:17]
asciilifeform incidentally, [05:17]
asciilifeform ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC [05:17]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book. [05:17]
mircea_popescu satoshi is like costanza when it comes to implementation. pretty much every choice he has made, be it something to eat, something to wear, has been wrong. [05:18]
asciilifeform ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC [05:18]
gribble Order id 21595 created. [05:18]
decimation that bitcoin-0.1 turd definitely depends on db_cxx.h, which seems to be bdb, but that isn't a full answer [05:18]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell nubbins` ^ that something you can do ? [05:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:18]
asciilifeform human skin cover optional. [05:19]
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mircea_popescu decimation im pretty certain it had flatfiles early on. [05:19]
decimation asciilifeform: lol @ your esr cartoon [05:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not in 0.1... [05:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps in satoshi's head? [05:21]
asciilifeform srsly what is this, anybody can grab the ancient source [05:22]
mircea_popescu so you're saying i have hallucinated this ?! [05:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: looks like it. [05:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you remember yourself, when telling the tale of why you didn't port it to msdos [05:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no working bdb [05:23]
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asciilifeform if not for the db crapolade, mine would be running on bare iron even now. [05:25]
asciilifeform (can't speak for other folks) [05:25]
decimation transactions are definitely stored in a Db * object, which appears to be the bdb C++ interface [05:25]
* mircea_popescu throws hands [05:25]
mircea_popescu who the fuck knows. i coulda sworn. [05:25]
asciilifeform at any rate, i would genuinely like that book. if someone wishes to make it happen. [05:27]
asciilifeform and chances are i'm not the only one. [05:27]
decimation asciilifeform: me too [05:27]
asciilifeform i'd pay quadruple for an intelligently-commented 'Lions Book'-style item [05:27]
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decimation printing out your own shit is annoying [05:27]
asciilifeform but not sure if anyone is qualified to produce this [05:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform decimation i think it quite likely that once nubsy gets on you'll get your book. [05:28]
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asciilifeform happy days. [05:28]
decimation yeah he's a printin' guy [05:28]
decimation The 'independent reserve' guys claim to use gpg signed email for customer support [05:29]
decimation asciilifeform: did you see that the new emacs has a web-browser mode builtin? [05:30]
asciilifeform decimation: did for ages ? [05:30]
decimation really? I thought one had to download from the crazy lisp package repo [05:32]
* asciilifeform confesses to being rather uninterested in ugly-as-sin www browsing [05:32]
asciilifeform and similarly stallmanesque exercises [05:32]
asciilifeform the sooner 'browser' dies as a paradigm, the better: [05:33]
decimation asciilifeform: it seems like a good idea on the surface, but in practice 90% of the web will be broken [05:33]
asciilifeform obligatory: [05:33]
assbot Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. [05:33]
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decimation asciilifeform: yeah it's true that the 'vision' of downloading and executing arbitrary code is exactly what the world needs [05:35]
mircea_popescu decimation no it had a web browser for a long time [05:35]
asciilifeform decimation: everybody seems shocked at that one [05:35]
asciilifeform decimation: but 'surgeon' and 'maniac' are different items, though each cuts you open while you sleep. [05:35]
decimation exactly. And everyone has been told since they were little that execution is dangerous - which is on c-machines [05:36]
asciilifeform decimation: in a same computing environment, nothing about 'downloading and executing arbitrary code' is frightening. [05:36]
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undata asciilifeform: regarding the format wars post, I've fantasized about choosing to build for the canvas tag and forgetting the rest of the browser entirely [05:37]
decimation asciilifeform: did you see that IBM had to pay $1.5 bn to get rid of their chip business? [05:37]
asciilifeform lol yes [05:37]
undata just streaming commands to some canvas wrapper via a websocket [05:37]
asciilifeform decimation: thing is, this is not like you or i paying a junkman $100 to be rid of an ancient car [05:37]
decimation asciilifeform: it makes one sad. "why keep banging head against wall, and digging bigger ditch? why not try something really different" [05:37]
asciilifeform decimation: it's laundry / merit-washing. we simply don't know the details. [05:37]
gabriel_laddel!msg/comp.lang.lisp/V7yiSIfLEis/sIhFE4M5yk4J [05:38]
assbot Google Groups [05:38]
gabriel_laddel ^ related [05:38]
decimation yeah I agree. how can a factory that can produce chips which rival intel's lithography 'lose money'? [05:38]
decimation either they are really really bad at making chips, or they are really really bad at choosing what to stamp out [05:38]
asciilifeform or leverage shenanigans [05:39]
asciilifeform that only the gods know the bottom of [05:39]
asciilifeform or nsa contract lineup fell through this year [05:39]
asciilifeform or, or, or. [05:39]
decimation you mean 'friendly' money from usg [05:39]
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decimation I strongly suspect that spending more money on nsa is going to be politically untenable for the near future [05:40]
decimation it will be amusing to see who 'starves' [05:40]
asciilifeform as if they needed money. [05:40]
asciilifeform the future of u.s. taxation and criminal justice is probably the model of the 'traffic camera.' [05:42]
asciilifeform see, e.g., orlov: [05:42]
asciilifeform 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences wi [05:42]
asciilifeform ll be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because fun [05:42]
asciilifeform ctional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.' [05:42]
asciilifeform ^ [05:42]
assbot ClubOrlov: Business as usual [05:42]
decimation everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types [05:42]
asciilifeform that'd be dept. of state. [05:43]
decimation yeah them too [05:43]
gabriel_laddel wrong link above. apparently I recorded it by hand. I couldn't find the quote I had intended to post by googling, so here it is: from Emacs. [05:44]
assbot I started to reply at length to the many misstatements in your message. I don - [05:44]
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asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: yes, i linked to this on many occasions [05:44]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: wish i could remember where, though [05:45]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: google groups is rotting :/ [05:46]
asciilifeform for years. [05:46]
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decimation gabriel_laddel: yeah, emacs likes to claim 'self-documenting' but I find the quality of documentation to be pretty poor [05:47]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: << original [05:47]
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gabriel_laddel decimation: It's by far the best I've found on UNIX. I've no LispM experiences and so can only imagine. [05:47]
gabriel_laddel thank you [05:48]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: (linked from ancient post of mine - ) [05:48]
assbot Loper OS » The Performance of Lisp, or Why Bean Counters Need Bigger Bags of Beans [05:48]
decimation I remember when google took over the old usenet archives, thought they would make them useful rather than let them rot [05:48]
asciilifeform they did. briefly. [05:48]
asciilifeform 'dejanews' was a cesspool of pestilential spamvertising, the early 'google groups' was a breath of fresh air [05:49]
mircea_popescu decimation> everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types <<< only in places which are bored of living. [05:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tired of living - 'жить надоело', heh [05:51]
mircea_popescu myeah. [05:51]
mircea_popescu they didn't have enough sense to make a wot. [05:52]
mircea_popescu no wot, no forum/ [05:52]
decimation [05:53]
assbot Articles: What the Byzantines Can Teach Us about Our National Security [05:53]
asciilifeform classic [05:53]
asciilifeform also the book is neato. [05:54]
* asciilifeform likes luttwak [05:54]
decimation "The Byzantines had good spies, but no intelligence bureaucracy at all. Officials involved in the management of espionage performed these functions along with other duties. They never had a bureaucratic hierarchy of intelligence and never thought to create one. " [05:54]
decimation yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints [05:55]
decimation asciilifeform: you might enjoy [05:58]
assbot Conversations with History - Edward N. Luttwak - YouTube [05:58]
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mircea_popescu yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints << lol good one. [06:01]
mircea_popescu here's the thing tho : they do. [06:01]
mircea_popescu just, not a bureaucracy. they need management tho. [06:01]
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decimation well, it's certainly the case that someone needs to have the 'big picture' in mind and issue instructions, I would think [06:03]
asciilifeform generally there are no 'hobbyist spies' - they're called 'armchair generals' or something alike. [06:04]
decimation asciilifeform: I suspect 'armchair general' describes 90% of usg [06:05]
mircea_popescu nah, i'll tell you what describes 90% of usg. [06:06]
mircea_popescu << this. [06:06]
mircea_popescu you see this picture ? look well at it, for it's what it looks like. sad, tired, incredibly lonely middle age white guy [06:06]
mircea_popescu in a hell of his making. [06:06]
decimation pandering the masses must drain the soul [06:07]
mircea_popescu clearly in the last place he'd ever be : his own life. [06:08]
asciilifeform 'This time of year, this part of Massachusetts is overrun by stampedes of shiny late-model SUVs with New York and New Jersey license plates. They are driven by various subspecies of the middle-aged well-to-do American Office Ogre—the lawyer, the doctor, the dentist, the banker, the lobbyist and the corporate businessman—the people who are attempting to run off with all the loot. The majestic scenery is somew [06:08]
asciilifeform hat spoiled by these surly, scowling, raspy-voiced ogres and their flabby, overmedicated wives with voices like an unoiled hinge. When not aimlessly driving around, they sit in upscale restaurants, toying with their food and gossiping menacingly. They have long forgotten what it means to be happy and carefree, and their labored attempts at feigning enjoyment are painful to watch. You can be sure that the sight o [06:08]
asciilifeform f poor but happy people makes them quite livid.' [06:08]
asciilifeform ^ [06:08]
assbot ClubOrlov: August 2010 [06:08]
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decimation asciilifeform: this is probably one reason why usg policy is generally to crush the poor and happy [06:13]
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mircea_popescu "Many people spent a big chunk of their lives investing in this dream and it didn't pan out quite as we wish." [06:15]
mircea_popescu no shortage of sad. [06:15]
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undata [06:18]
assbot We Called It America - NOFX - YouTube [06:19]
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mircea_popescu !up gibson [06:20]
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undata where to move, if we're ash heap bound [06:21]
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asciilifeform alpha centauri. [06:22]
asciilifeform if you can afford it. [06:22]
mircea_popescu argentina works. [06:22]
asciilifeform just the same as alpha centauri to me. [06:22]
mircea_popescu no, the chicks are way better. [06:22]
asciilifeform lol [06:22]
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decimation << "All of the white people who joined Indian tribes loved it and refused to go back to white civilization. All the Indians who joined white civilization hated it and did everything they could to go back to their previous tribal lives." [06:24]
assbot Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz - Book Review: Empire of the Summer Moon [06:24]
undata mircea_popescu: what makes you like Argentina? Things like wealth taxes don't convey a sense of respect for private property, though I can see how that'd be irrelevant to BTC wealth [06:25]
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asciilifeform decimation: i distinctly remember reading this earlier. [06:31]
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asciilifeform linked, almost certainly, from here. [06:31]
asciilifeform (or was it mircea_popescu ?) [06:31]
mircea_popescu undata da fuck do i care about their taxes. [06:32]
mircea_popescu but i like everything. i suppose i should spell it out huh. [06:33]
undata mircea_popescu: if you want; it wont be actionable for me for years [06:33]
asciilifeform ;;later tell nubbins` [06:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:35]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2014 02:15:37; asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC [06:35]
thestringpuller what kind of binding? [06:36]
asciilifeform ^ this is not merely a printer's job; i can abide neither haphazardly broken lines nor miniscule print. [06:36]
cazalla [06:36]
assbot MooPay Scam Leads to Possible Bitstamp Blacklists | [06:36]
asciilifeform what kind of binding << lay-flat only. [06:38]
asciilifeform absolutely no perforator or 3-ring. [06:38]
asciilifeform could do those myself. [06:38]
decimation asciilifeform: as in soft leather cover? [06:38]
asciilifeform paper ok [06:39]
asciilifeform think 'o'reilly' books [06:39]
thestringpuller no leather bound LOTR style? [06:40]
thestringpuller why not wizard spellbook style [06:40]
asciilifeform if someone wants to do this for no more than 1 btc, sure. [06:40]
asciilifeform i specified - minimum. [06:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28376 @ 0.00074074 = 21.0192 BTC [+] {2} [06:40]
thestringpuller 1 btc may go a long way in the future ;) [06:40]
asciilifeform eh. [06:40]
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thestringpuller ;;calc 206000/390 [06:53]
gribble 528.205128205 [06:53]
thestringpuller ;;calc 206000 / 315 [06:53]
mircea_popescu undata there you go. [06:53]
gribble 653.968253968 [06:53]
assbot MP, what do you like about Argentina ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [06:53]
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undata mircea_popescu: thanks for the write-up [07:02]
thestringpuller PinkPosixPXE: nice article on qntra :D [07:05]
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BingoBoingo Hello kncminer_is_a_sc [07:10]
kncminer_is_a_sc KNCMINER IS A SCAM! 5 month late house burning hardware is Useless now, useless. Refund me you gotterdammerung scammers! [07:10]
mircea_popescu kncminer_is_a_sc no shit lmao [07:10]
kncminer_is_a_sc Damn you KNC!!!! DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HEELLLLLL!!!! [07:10]
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ben_vulpes "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right? [07:11]
mircea_popescu kind of ? [07:11]
ben_vulpes i'm trying to think of sensible use cases [07:11]
ben_vulpes but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses" [07:12]
mircea_popescu << [07:12]
assbot Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:12]
ben_vulpes ya there we go [07:13]
mircea_popescu yeah nice piece pixie. [07:14]
mircea_popescu undata yer welcome. [07:14]
mircea_popescu "He then tried to pay with PayPal, and we unsuspended the machines. About 6 hours later the payments were disputed with PayPal as unauthorized and we then suspended again." << wow, carding too ?! [07:17]
mircea_popescu perfect pretext for bitstamp to steal even more coins. [07:17]
mircea_popescu just in case it's not obvious already, keeping any balances on bitstamp or sending any bitcoin to bitstamp is beyond retarded. [07:18]
mircea_popescu try to not do that so you don't ned up like the 62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip. retard. [07:19]
mircea_popescu and speaking of knc, check out what i found : [07:20]
assbot Swedish ASIC miner company [07:20]
ThickAsThieves [07:21]
assbot Manifesto Vows to Give Consumers Control of Digital Identities [07:21]
ThickAsThieves nice pic [07:21]
mircea_popescu i dun get it. [07:21]
mircea_popescu how do consumers not have such control ? or ? [07:21]
ThickAsThieves it's a woman lookin like she shit her pants, from Ripple, saying, [07:22]
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ThickAsThieves "Innovation isnt inherently incompatible with regulation" [07:22]
mircea_popescu course it isn't. [07:22]
mircea_popescu the usg however, IS inherently incompatible with regulation. [07:23]
mircea_popescu because we're making the rules, not the fucking other way around, what is this. [07:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3305 @ 0.00074123 = 2.4498 BTC [+] [07:23]
ThickAsThieves do we each get to make a rule? [07:23]
mircea_popescu sure. and enforce it, too. [07:24]
ThickAsThieves scam [07:24]
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mircea_popescu better scam than sorry. [07:24]
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mircea_popescu ripple's problem is more like "we enabled some scammers stealing a buncha coins" tho. [07:25]
decimation one can see why they would need to convince usg why they are very good little slaves [07:25]
mircea_popescu right ? [07:26]
mircea_popescu already convicted otherwise. better be useful. [07:26]
decimation since usg is a dim and neglectful master, they get away with it [07:26]
mircea_popescu it's funny that the us lost the "innovation" war back in 2013, and then lost the finance war. no smart kids, no rich kids, [07:26]
mircea_popescu its only hope now rests with the felons. [07:26]
mircea_popescu who knows, perhaps it has enough criminals that they become a significant minority in the new world, giving it some claim. [07:27]
mircea_popescu sad. [07:27]
decimation the us has plenty of high iq people, it's just that in general their efforts are misdirected into idiocy [07:27]
mircea_popescu so what's that do for me ? [07:27]
ThickAsThieves ripple is basically grasping for, Bitcoin for Banks, All the tech, none of the darkwebmunny [07:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah, it and all the 500 other derps. [07:28]
undata decimation: or they get so depressed they barely function [07:28]
mircea_popescu "we have yet another version of bitcoin without bitcoin, choose us, because this works!!11" [07:28]
ThickAsThieves Bonus Undocumented Feature: Print Bitcoins! [07:29]
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decimation this is a peculiar habit in the us: trying to find a 'technical' solution for a very human problem [07:29]
mircea_popescu like dildos ? [07:29]
decimation heh [07:30]
mircea_popescu but it props the economy! :D [07:30]
mircea_popescu undata is that experience speaking ? [07:30]
ThickAsThieves conserve energy! [07:30]
undata mircea_popescu: I've seen it happen to friends brighter than I am. [07:32]
undata as for me, I keep myself moving hoping to strike at the thing myself someday [07:33]
undata but I've yet to make a pile, so that comes first [07:33]
mircea_popescu ic [07:33]
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asciilifeform not one in ten thousand shall leave the mines. [07:38]
asciilifeform that's sorta how it works. [07:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno, but i dun believe so. [07:38]
mircea_popescu pretty much everyone leaves the mines. part of why "big government" is so lulzy. [07:38]
mircea_popescu i mean... how many east germans joined west germany ? ... all of em ? [07:39]
asciilifeform 'leave the mines' - live as idle gentleman scholar. [07:39]
asciilifeform a la taleb [07:39]
mircea_popescu a [07:39]
mircea_popescu we were talkin of different things [07:39]
* asciilifeform sees arbeit macht frei as arbeit macht frei under whatever flag, equally odious [07:40]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he did say 'I've yet to make a pile' - suggestive of the usual lament of folks who despair of ever buying their freedom [07:43]
asciilifeform (esp. while young enough to make something constructive of it) [07:44]
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undata eh, I'll get there [07:45]
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PinkPosixPXE Thanks thestringpuller and mircea_popescu :) [07:48]
BingoBoingo %p [08:06]
atcbot >> No data returned from << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 857.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.56 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [08:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00073959 = 4.1417 BTC [-] [08:19]
ben_vulpes regarding recent history of bitcoin: [08:19]
assbot A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 [08:19]
ben_vulpes good night! [08:20]
cazalla qntra down [08:21]
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mircea_popescu The takeaway: next to nothing has been done to bring the Bitcoin project forwards since 0.5.3 (the duplicate TXID rules). << pretty much [08:21]
mircea_popescu ;;isup [08:22]
gribble is down [08:22]
mircea_popescu wtf is this. [08:22]
thestringpuller ~_~ [08:24]
thestringpuller it had good uptime too [08:24]
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RagnarDanneskjol !s is down [08:26]
assbot 898 results for 'is down' : [08:26]
mircea_popescu cazalla kernel panic, brb. [08:26]
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mircea_popescu ;;isup [08:35]
gribble is up [08:35]
mircea_popescu there we go. [08:35]
cazalla and here i thought ddosser was back [08:36]
mircea_popescu cazalla nah, was an update that wedged. [08:37]
mircea_popescu should be fine. [08:37]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes anyway, good article. [08:38]
mircea_popescu finally someone did the work so now when i say .8 and ulterior stuff is pure braindamage i have what to link to. [08:38]
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BingoBoingo Nao ben_vulpes can't take his blog down anymoar [08:40]
mircea_popescu srsly. [08:41]
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mircea_popescu From Gavin's own notes: "…accomodate higher transaction volume, and to measure what percentage of hashing power simply goes along with defaults." >> ben_vulpes if you recall the horror in his eyes back then... [09:28]
mircea_popescu needless to say, the "measurements" didn't come out like the pencildicks'd have liked them [09:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00073909 = 9.3125 BTC [-] [09:32]
skylytez_ thank you. i would like to be in the wot [09:32]
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thestringpuller ;;google bitcoin-otc web of trust gpg guide [09:33]
gribble #bitcoin-otc web of trust: ; #bitcoin-otc: ; Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: [09:33]
mircea_popescu ^ [09:34]
skylytez_ correct but to get a rating from one of the 29 people requires asking, if my reading of MP's blog over the past year is correct [09:34]
mircea_popescu asking doesn't work, if today's logs are any testament. [09:36]
mircea_popescu instead, do something. [09:36]
mircea_popescu there's stuff that needs doing coming up here on a regular basis, jump on something within your skillset when it happens. [09:36]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, what is your skillset ? [09:36]
skylytez_ getting honey from bees [09:37]
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mircea_popescu ;;ident skylytez_ [09:37]
gribble Nick 'skylytez_', with hostmask 'skylytez_!180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is not identified. [09:37]
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mircea_popescu are you the chick that was previously here, [09:38]
skylytez_ yes [09:38]
thestringpuller yay more chicks [09:38]
joecool hrm [09:38]
mircea_popescu maryjane ? [09:38]
joecool ;;rated mircea_popescu [09:38]
gribble You rated user mircea_popescu on Tue Mar 11 16:14:24 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems legit. [09:38]
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skylytez_ no [09:38]
mircea_popescu wow, two beekeepers ? [09:38]
joecool oh i keep bees too [09:39]
mircea_popescu anwyay, make a wot id, that's the first step. [09:39]
mircea_popescu who knew, this was more like #beez than anything [09:39]
thestringpuller stealth games are hard as fuck [09:39]
thestringpuller you actually have to think [09:39]
skylytez_ okay. More homework. Thank you (joecool bees are cool!) I will do things as my skillset improves. [09:40]
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thestringpuller ^ an interesting one [09:40]
mircea_popescu this is a very shitty cult, it occurs to me. too much variety [09:40]
thestringpuller we're in a cult? [09:41]
thestringpuller i don't remember drinking any koolaid or punch [09:41]
mircea_popescu i read it somewhere. [09:41]
undata topple empire when? [09:43]
RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu this is a very shitty cult, it occurs to me. too much variety< [09:43]
RagnarDanneskjol thestringpuller we're in a cult?<< of course it is.. in the purest sense of the word [09:43]
mircea_popescu undata who knows these things... [09:44]
mircea_popescu empires generally self-topple tho [09:44]
mircea_popescu works sorta like seducing girls. [09:44]
mircea_popescu ;;ud bofl [09:45]
gribble | BOFL. Bubbling on the Floor Laughing. A less exaggerated version of ROFL - Rolling on the floor laughing. It's more of a chuckle version to that. Last night was a ... [09:45]
RagnarDanneskjol huh - I thought it was barfing [09:46]
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mircea_popescu soo, i would like to share an idea with the group, then people who have worked with this type of thing liek jurov or whoever else can tell me what they think. [14:51]
kakobrekla hello mircea and welcome to the group [14:52]
kakobrekla everyone say hello [14:52]
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mircea_popescu basically, i'd like an installable package that creates a vm and runs code for a third party. everyone running it should be able to set a cost per metric (cpu cycles, ram usage, bandwidth, whatever) and a value per metric (idem), then the package talks to all the other packages installed so that every operation is run on that system with the lowest price. [14:53]
mircea_popescu obviously not everything is atomizable enough for this. nevertheless, basically it'd be a better tor + better torrent app + everything else. [14:54]
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mircea_popescu extra points if a) it's provably impossible to crash/hijack a kernel running it from outside and b) it's provably impossible to establish to whom any operation belongs in the group. [14:55]
chetty uh I think the ancient ibm machines did this [14:55]
mircea_popescu chetty yes, they did. [14:55]
mircea_popescu but now that we have bitcoin, and the internet, it's actually feasible at a much better scale. [14:55]
mircea_popescu or so my business mind seems to think [14:55]
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chetty well these days power consumption seems more relevant than the other stuffs, except maybe % of pay to sysadmins [14:56]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: now listen, get lost once again imma beat you. <<< waitwut ?! [14:59]
xinxi who can tell me whether it is cold in Orlando? [15:00]
mircea_popescu ;;google temperature orlando florida [15:00]
gribble 10 Day Weather Forecast for Orlando - ; Monthly Weather Averages and Records for Orlando, FL: ; Orlando Weather - AccuWeather Forecast for FL 32801: [15:00]
xinxi seems a nice place. [15:03]
mircea_popescu meh, kinda wet. [15:03]
xinxi it should be better than singapore. [15:05]
bounce what did ibm do? also what is the scope of this "vm" thing, a complete OS image, or more an execution environment like jvm? [15:05]
xinxi I can hardly breathe when i first came to sg. [15:05]
mircea_popescu bounce as long as something useful works i'm happy. can be extended later. [15:05]
mircea_popescu honestly i'm happy for an alpha if all it does is remote page fetching, a la [15:06]
bounce fbsd has per-user cpu accounting, dunno if linux has that. can build on top of that I suppose. [15:06]
mircea_popescu xinxi nobody is born in singapore huh. [15:06]
mircea_popescu bounce im pretty sure it does have something similar. [15:07]
mircea_popescu anyway, ideally this would be for a popular distro. ubuntu, gentoo, something. [15:07]
bounce the talking between is going to be a bit of a bitch; rpc has been tried in many kinds and it never works quite right [15:07]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu i was talking to assbot [15:07]
mircea_popescu bounce maybe the rpc model is no good then. [15:08]
mircea_popescu maybe make it a queue rather than a rpc thing. [15:08]
bounce though qnx and possibly plan9 have kinda nice ipc, fit for clustering. so did vms, IIRC [15:08]
mircea_popescu (as in, the distributed network keeps a distributed queue of what's to do, picks from there) [15:09]
bounce there's a number of message passing queue packages around, but you'd have to settle on one [15:09]
mircea_popescu myeah. [15:09]
bounce there's also a number of clustering and misc management packages, cloud whatnots [15:09]
mircea_popescu right. [15:09]
mircea_popescu this would be a pretty sweet spot for ACTUAL innovation, as opposed to the usual "hi guise i made a new webwallet/scamcoin/exchange" blabla. [15:10]
bounce so you could perchance, dunno, take popular opencloud and throw docker at it and have most of what you want [15:10]
mircea_popescu make an actual bitcoin-dedicated, user portable cloud system [15:10]
bounce oh, add amoeba to the list of OSes [15:10]
bounce probably need to look at how much work/research/building you're prepared to spend and how much COTS-cruft you're willing to endure [15:11]
chetty so what you are saying is a blockchain work queue? [15:11]
xinxi maybe you can try openstack, I use it for my lab. [15:11]
RagnarDanneskjol yes this^ [15:12]
mircea_popescu chetty essentially. it'd practically work as "mine with your computer, for arbitrary workloads and paid 100% out of tx fees" as it were [15:12]
chetty hmm like the seti project [15:13]
bounce can even go with the el cheapo route; spin up cloud instances across cloud providers based on spot pricing, though you'd need to bridge to fiat for that [15:13]
mircea_popescu or that protein folding thing, yes. [15:13]
mircea_popescu bounce i dun want that. fuck them. [15:13]
bounce oh, look at various "grid" things, moreso than "cloud" [15:13]
mircea_popescu the idea is to let people do this at home, say while they sleep. [15:13]
bounce but forked and bitcoin added? [15:14]
assbot BOINC [15:14]
mircea_popescu maybe. [15:15]
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bounce or not even forked, maybe just a bitcoin-enabled job manager on top, dunno how that works [15:16]
RagnarDanneskjol [15:17]
assbot [FEEDBACK REQUEST] Bitcoin cloud services | [15:17]
kakobrekla a) it's provably impossible to crash/hijack a kernel running it from outside < is that even possible to prove [15:18]
kakobrekla if it would be, we wouldnt have such holes. [15:18]
xinxi ;;later tel Vexual ai is more general. an expert system is one way for implementing ai and only used for very limited domains. [15:18]
gribble Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. [15:18]
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mircea_popescu bounce yes, i agree the tech is just about there. all this project needs is a serious head dev. [15:18]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla bonus points are bonus points. [15:18]
xinxi ;;later tell Vexual ai is more general. an expert system is one way for implementing ai and only used for very limited domains. [15:19]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:19]
RagnarDanneskjol mp - i can find him in 48 hours. what's the comp range? [15:19]
* bounce thinks there's room for a revamp of OS design, but that's long-term and sky-is-the-limit thinking [15:19]
kakobrekla i was hoping there was more to the answer :) [15:19]
bounce there a specific goal to this, like mining bitcoin, or more general? [15:21]
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mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol about the same torvalds got in 1991. [15:21]
mircea_popescu i can name his ftp directory for him. [15:21]
RagnarDanneskjol ha k [15:21]
mircea_popescu bounce the goal is to obtain an uninterruptible computing platform. [15:22]
bounce general computing then [15:22]
mircea_popescu as in, confront the government with a manicheian choice : either stop ALL the internet, or none of it. [15:22]
mircea_popescu just like bitcoin has removed fine grained control, and tey're stuck to decide whether they stop it all or they stop none of it. [15:22]
bounce things like openmosix can do that at the process level, within the cluster [15:23]
mircea_popescu child porn, money laundering and so on. [15:23]
kakobrekla at first i only hated people. now that i recognize that computers have been lying to me my whole life im starting to dislike them too. [15:23]
mircea_popescu bounce so then all that's needed is a bitcoin merge into that ? [15:23]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla soon the imaginary friends will start fucking the imaginary girlfriends and there's going to be nothing left! [15:23]
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punkman kakobrekla: what happens to assbot anyway, does it crash? [15:23]
bounce various users would be sharing the same cluster, so containerisation would be a bit poor [15:24]
bounce AIUI anyway, haven't worked with any of those packages [15:24]
mircea_popescu ;;ud aiui [15:24]
gribble | Apple touch icon Download the Free App! 1. AIUI. As I Understand It (slang, Usenet, IRC). AIUI, the n00b did not RTFM! by Ivo van der Elzen June 10, 2005. 18 2. [15:24]
kakobrekla punkman something tripped do ddos mitigation : null routing ip [15:25]
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kakobrekla you fall in a box for 3hrs [15:25]
Vexual thanks xinxi i know the difference [15:25]
xinxi Vexual - you are welcome [15:25]
kakobrekla this happened yesterday and today [15:25]
bounce for large-scale thingification that user separation is going to be important. and then there's the requirements of disk space and such. eg if you stick that all in a convenient image file you need to ship the entire thing around if you're trying to migrate to a different box [15:26]
kakobrekla and im pissed. [15:26]
bounce orrr you need a separate storage service, but then you need reliable and fast networking, as commonly found in datacentres optimised for this sort of thing, but much less so on the general 'net [15:26]
mircea_popescu bounce maybe better to define some allowed operations. create a language for this. [15:27]
xinxi i am more interested in the economic side of the “unstoppable computing platform”. who is going to support that? should the users pay to use like electricity? [15:27]
mircea_popescu xinxi obviously you'd pay to use it. [15:27]
Vexual a judicairy? [15:27]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu yeah, nothing left but to wait for the scythe. [15:27]
bounce so, there's lots of approaches, but also a multitude of problems and only specific solutions [15:27]
xinxi technically, that’s possible. [15:28]
bounce "possible" does not preclude "a right pain to make work" :-) [15:28]
Vexual you always pay [15:28]
xinxi all people work in a giant clustet. interesting idea. [15:28]
mircea_popescu bounce it would definitely be a right pain to make work, however, [15:29]
mircea_popescu it's the correct sort of pain [15:29]
mircea_popescu as opposed to the other, incorrect sort of pain. [15:29]
bounce again AIUI the thing with boinc-usable workloads is that they chop up the data in small bits and parcel them out as work units; not all problems are amendable to this model [15:29]
xinxi what are the benefits? [15:29]
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davout ohai [15:29]
mircea_popescu i imagine most people would want to get/post webpages as a workload model, and then do math as a close 2nd. [15:30]
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mircea_popescu hai davout ! [15:30]
xinxi it’s unstoppable and always available? [15:30]
mircea_popescu file distribution may be a distant 3rd or a total blowout of the other two, depending on things and logics. [15:30]
davout mircea_popescu: "bounce maybe better to define some allowed operations. create a language for this." <<< with all operations being hard to perform but easy to check you'll probably end up with something quite limited [15:30]
mircea_popescu davout sex is also quite limited, and quite enjoyable. [15:30]
bounce we pretty much have that; the serving side requires a little more thought, though. can peruse, say, the heroku system architecture [15:30]
mircea_popescu xinxi well yeah, it'd be always available i guess. [15:31]
davout you'll end up creating a massive distributed computer that's really really good at bruteforcing hash functions :-) [15:31]
mircea_popescu doubt it'll work out that way [15:31]
mircea_popescu the reason is purely economical : if that worked bitcoin mining'd have made it a thing [15:32]
bounce bitcoin mining does exactly that, but in its own specific way [15:33]
davout that's what i was saying [15:33]
bounce well, the abstraction and access levels are different in this idea [15:33]
davout i'm wondering how you'll manage the billing part when the requesting party wants to check what he's paying for [15:34]
bounce the interface isn't the blockchain, but more generally usable. presumably. [15:34]
davout i'm paying you to compute 2+2 [15:34]
davout you tell me it's 4 and that I owe you 1 BTC [15:34]
mircea_popescu davout a wot i think [15:34]
davout ok, so it's trust based [15:34]
mircea_popescu machines will need keys and reputation will have to be checked [15:34]
bounce you'd end up having to pay multiple people to do the thing so you can cross-check [15:34]
mircea_popescu ok, so it's trust based << well yeah i see no other way. [15:35]
davout bounce: that would work too [15:35]
xinxi maybe we can build a giant bayesian network on that to automatically discover a way for the ultimate AI and bootstrap the technology singularity. [15:35]
mircea_popescu you'd end up having to pay multiple people to do the thing so you can cross-check << not necessarily a drawback, this. plus it gives a tor-y sort of immunity. [15:35]
mircea_popescu so let's have both. redundancy and reputation. [15:35]
bounce this is how google's recaptchas work actually. in essence they're unpaid checks on their OCR input [15:35]
mircea_popescu yup [15:35]
mircea_popescu which is why that 4chan attack was so lulzy. [15:36]
davout if it's wot-based, it's kind of tying the scalability of that system with the scalability of the wot [15:36]
mircea_popescu the wot is more scalable than cunt. [15:36]
xinxi have you ever used twister? [15:36]
Vexual the boared game? [15:37]
xinxi p2p twitter [15:37]
mircea_popescu nope. [15:38]
xinxi i have top 500 companies’ ids on twister. [15:41]
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Vexual good point [15:41]
mircea_popescu you tell me it's 4 and that I owe you 1 BTC <<< nah the way this'd work is that you'd advertise you're paying up to 10 satoshi for a math operation ; i accept you send the thing i send the result you pay. [15:41]
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mircea_popescu or alternatively im paying 62 satoshi for a http request, you accept i send the url you send the page etc. [15:42]
RagnarDanneskjol i only halfway paid attention to the maidsafe thing. this sounds like that; i'm sure i missed something [15:43]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol i didn't pay any attention, nor will i, because well, they're not in wot. [15:44]
mircea_popescu might as well not exist. [15:44]
xinxi if twister works, it’s possible to copy that scheme and change all existing services to purely decentralized versions as well. [15:44]
RagnarDanneskjol good point! [15:44]
mircea_popescu xinxi maybe, but see above. [15:44]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol seems a distributed storage scheme. [15:45]
RagnarDanneskjol yea - running on lamecoin [15:45]
dub xinxi: the beauty of that is now, much like namecoin nobody will ever use twister [15:45]
mircea_popescu yeah lamecoins are a kiss of death for a project. [15:45]
xinxi yeah, usability may be an issue. but the technology is quite interesting. [15:46]
mircea_popescu ;;google [15:46]
gribble No matches found. [15:46]
mircea_popescu << fucking idiot, srsly. lrn 2 scriptkiddie, kiddies! [15:47]
assbot [Tue Oct 21 05:42:37 2014] [error] [client] client denied by serve - [15:47]
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bounce something to throw a fail2ban at [15:49]
mircea_popescu im kinda running this as half-honeypot half-service [15:49]
mircea_popescu the earlier "ddos" proved very productive for me. [15:50]
bounce how so? [15:50]
bounce in theory you'd throw an abuse complaint to the IP block admin, though this one'll probably only speak chinese and thus ignore non-chinese complaints [15:51]
mircea_popescu bounce << here's a start. [15:52]
mircea_popescu i'd give you a link to the log discussing another approach, but the log site is down! [15:53]
mircea_popescu anyway it was something like, "here's a list of ips part of a botnet, which means you know they've been hijacked, which means feel free to take them over and use them, and if you're careful you can always blame the original hijacker" [15:54]
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bounce oh right. so you're now sitting on a botnet-crawled copy of teh intarwebz to start your own google with, no? [15:55]
mircea_popescu except i dun feel like starting my own google. the premise is borkt. [15:55]
bounce they make reasonable monies though [15:55]
mircea_popescu i dun wanna make moneys in stupid ways. [15:56]
bounce huh. principles. there's a surprise. *gdr* [15:56]
mircea_popescu bounce i wouldn't go as far. suppose you're playing a broken game, like whatever shit some franchise owner paid three dumbasses to code over a weekend. [15:57]
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mircea_popescu now, you COULD spend your time in the cave of idiocy, killing rats for a "profit", because hey, it's a profit. [15:57]
mircea_popescu i'd rather have fun with my game than make the counter go up. [15:57]
bounce alright [15:58]
mircea_popescu or, as i used to tell my retarded romanian friends (causality, not mere coincidence), idiots make money whichever way they can. normal people make money whichever way they want. [15:58]
chetty but making the counter go up is the fun ... just spoils it if it feels like cheating somehow [15:58]
mircea_popescu no, it spoils it if it DOESNT feel like cheating. [15:59]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this concept of yours - it's really an idea that virtually every thinking man who's ever dealt with computing - had. not unlike bitcoin. [15:59]
mircea_popescu i don't think i know of any worse downer on any achievement possible than the knowledge or implication that i actually earned it. [15:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure. [15:59]
mircea_popescu im not an innovator, im a manager. [15:59]
mircea_popescu im not saying "hey this is new", i'm saying "hey, isn't it time yet ?" [15:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, it's time. but - [16:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you need new computers. [16:00]
Vexual new words [16:00]
mircea_popescu and a new penis! [16:00]
Vexual satoshi business [16:00]
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mircea_popescu sorry stan. unless that new penis is coming out of this old penis somehow, that new penis ain't happening. [16:00]
mircea_popescu natura non facit saltus. [16:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well, it must come out of old penis in the sense that we all have old ones, can use to spray out new. [16:01]
mircea_popescu aite, i;m all for it. [16:01]
* asciilifeform does not produce electronics with bag of ore and needle [16:01]
* Vexual does [16:01]
mircea_popescu lol [16:02]
mircea_popescu ;;ud gdr [16:02]
gribble | The German Democratic Republic (GDR), or simply East Germany as it was commonly known, was a communist state that existed from 1949 to 1990 in the ... [16:02]
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mircea_popescu hm. bounce is not only teachning me old irc terms, but is also too advanced for ud [16:03]
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Vexual ;;ud urbit [16:05]
gribble Google found nothing. [16:05]
asciilifeform lol [16:05]
mircea_popescu that was cold. [16:06]
mats_cd03 ;;ticker [16:10]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 388.43, Best ask: 388.45, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 388.43, 24 hour volume: 6927.00803736, 24 hour low: 378.01, 24 hour high: 388.45, 24 hour vwap: 383.469987687 [16:10]
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Vexual xinxi will be back with ubrbit stip poker [16:11]
punkman no meat [16:11]
mircea_popescu the stuff Vexual remembers... [16:11]
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Vexual it comes in flashes [16:12]
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mircea_popescu !up eizodo [16:12]
mircea_popescu aww assbot! [16:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i do so love when thinking folks arrive at this problem - because it is the 'pons asinorum' of existing technological fundaments sucking irredeemably. [16:13]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know rite ? [16:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is not necessarily good news. [16:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who said good news. [16:14]
mircea_popescu see here's the strategic problem involved : if this can be made to work on the c machine, and then a s machine can be made which runs it more efficiently, this practically guarantees a future of s machines, much to the baddie's haples dismay. [16:14]
* asciilifeform is optimist, thinks that when the ants rise, perhaps they'll build proper computers... [16:14]
mircea_popescu IF however this can not be made to work on the c machine, that alone is sufficient pressure to keep the s machine unmade forever. [16:14]
mircea_popescu so it really pretty much all hinges on this point. [16:15]
mircea_popescu without it, there will never be an s machine. [16:15]
mircea_popescu i am not kidding, either, it's actually what it is. /me has spent a bunch of cpu time on this matter, it's well considered. [16:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in principle, as you know, anything can be made to 'work' through brute mathematical strength (emulation). the real problem is impedance mismatch - everyone who doesn't like the 1,000+-fold loss of efficiency will run off and go 'closer to metal', eschewing the 's' [16:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is what originally happened with, e.g., common lisp [16:16]
mircea_popescu i dun think you take my meaning. [16:16]
Vexual [16:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do explain. my meaning here is quite simple - you can emulate anything you wish on your current inexpensive machine - but if the object differs sufficiently from said machine, at some point you end up with a ruinously inefficient apparatus [16:18]
mircea_popescu if this = if the proposed shared computing thing. [16:18]
asciilifeform e.g., if you were to emulate 'setun' (ru. trinary cpu) in software (yes, exists) [16:18]
mats_cd03 ;;google "s machine" and "c machine" [16:19]
gribble C & S Machine Company | Home: ; Capabilities - C & S Machine Company: [16:19]
mats_cd03 ;;next [16:19]
gribble See latest update from Onefixt here: [16:19]
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asciilifeform mats_cd03: 'c machine' is the only one you might turn up [16:19]
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mats_cd03 dunno how twitter ended up in that query... [16:20]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 we've been calling the x86 the "c machine" for some reason. [16:20]
mircea_popescu s stands for stan. [16:20]
asciilifeform the original 'c machine' was the pdp. [16:20]
mats_cd03 [16:21]
mircea_popescu " has been transferred from Yahoo to Automattic. We look forward to beefing up and refreshing the service. More news to follow." [16:22]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is this supposed to mean ? [16:22]
mircea_popescu yahoo owns automattic ? [16:22]
Vexual 6 months = beef [16:23]
Vexual theyr're lost in the desert [16:24]
mats_cd03 lots of yahoo influence in automattic [16:24]
mircea_popescu seems so. [16:24]
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mats_cd03 previous CEO toni schneider was at yahoo before mullenweg [16:24]
mircea_popescu no fucking wonder eh. [16:24]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: log dead? [16:25]
mats_cd03 [16:27]
mats_cd03 i very much doubt there's ever going to be a korean reunification [16:27]
asciilifeform 'reunification' - sk codespeak for conquest and anal rape of nk [16:27]
mats_cd03 who would agree to have their economy overwhelmed by beggars? [16:28]
asciilifeform s/sk/kr [16:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what';s to rape ? [16:28]
Vexual i agree, they have "let's not run outta rice" policies in place [16:28]
mircea_popescu those people are really at the bottom. [16:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they weren't always at the bottom. almost until late '70s - more industrialized than south. [16:28]
mats_cd03 even the dummies proposing conquest of nk know its unworkable [16:28]
mircea_popescu but they ARE now. [16:28]
mats_cd03 seoul - raped in fifteen mins. [16:28]
asciilifeform they are now, and conquest would be final headshot in half a century of clobbering. [16:29]
mircea_popescu well, gotta do the headshot. [16:29]
asciilifeform rarely winner hurries to do the headshot. [16:29]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 seoul would prolly enjoy it. [16:29]
asciilifeform usually, if he's uncertain, suspects victim might get up. [16:29]
mats_cd03 dprk's gotta collapse under its own weight. [16:29]
asciilifeform south k is usg's 'unsinkable carrier,' and as such, i should like to see the fine folks of nk trash it as thoroughly as they could. [16:30]
mircea_popescu uh [16:30]
Vexual badman [16:30]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as sk is technologically advanced when compared to the primitive us... this carrier theory fails to impress. [16:31]
asciilifeform in all seriousness, nk is an important and non-renewable resource on planet 3 - a kind of 'nature preserve' where nothing smelling even vaguely of usg - not even 'big mac' - is permitted [16:32]
Vexual i feel that [16:32]
asciilifeform this is one of the reasons for the vitriol. [16:32]
Vexual its the general conesensus [16:33]
asciilifeform 'see, these bastards won't allow micky-d?! result - concentration camps!' [16:33]
mircea_popescu you know, keeping idiocy away at the cost of bigger idiocy is not any sort of deal. [16:33]
Vexual ill just leave then [16:33]
mircea_popescu lol [16:33]
bounce but! no big macs! [16:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is not any sort of deal << much of what looks like idiocy of nk is reaction to a state of vicious siege by the 'international komyooniti' [16:34]
Vexual komyooniti? [16:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform let's put the matter in sexual terms, which are easier to think of. so, suppose we're 13, and for whatever reason we don't like girls. your solution is to get rid of everything "girl like" such as the holes in tp rolls, as inconvenient as that may be in the end. my solution is to let them come by even - fancy that, girls! - provided they know they have to strip naked in the garage, go everywhere on all fo [16:35]
mircea_popescu urs and do the cleanning. [16:35]
bounce anyway, soonish the sandpit currently in spring might be empty again. there, your resource renewed. [16:35]
mircea_popescu now which seems more sensible an approach ? [16:35]
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mircea_popescu isolation from the inferior is not a sane policy. enslavement of the inferior is the sane policy. [16:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: idea here is, it may be that the micky-d-permitted world is corrupted beyond reformattability, so to speak. then nk will be the folks who keep the fire going. [16:36]
mircea_popescu isn't this a bit too close to magical thinking ? [16:37]
mircea_popescu i mean, holes in tp rolls won't make you gay. [16:37]
asciilifeform it's a wild hypothesis, yes [16:37]
mircea_popescu kay. [16:37]
asciilifeform not insisting that we actually need nk for anything [16:37]
asciilifeform just that the hatred of it by usg et. al. is rooted in something quite real. [16:37]
mircea_popescu sure. [16:37]
asciilifeform it's the last remaining 'pepsi.' [16:37]
mircea_popescu but this isn't art, we're not interested in authentic feeling. productivity is a concern. [16:38]
asciilifeform was quite productive compared to kr until blockades of '70s - which continue even now [16:38]
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mircea_popescu well sure, and in that sense c machines are quite productive when compared to lisp machines [16:38]
mircea_popescu except for all the errors and problems. [16:38]
mircea_popescu o.O [16:38]
asciilifeform nk was a high-volume exporter of very fine machine tools, for example [16:38]
kakobrekla kakobrekla: log dead? [16:38]
kakobrekla well this is hilarious. [16:38]
mircea_popescu they lost the tech race. [16:39]
Vexual and freebase colde medecine [16:39]
asciilifeform which country would not 'lose the tech race' if all were forbidden by 'international comyoonity' to buy virtually anything from it? [16:39]
mircea_popescu a good one ? [16:39]
asciilifeform or to ship virtually anything (save food) there? [16:39]
mircea_popescu la serenissima, for instance ? [16:39]
asciilifeform only works because no geography to it. [16:40]
mircea_popescu lmao [16:40]
mircea_popescu it makes exactly NO difference why it works [16:40]
kakobrekla [16:40]
mircea_popescu or why it doesn't work. this ain't a game kids play , that can be ammended to "make it fair" [16:40]
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Vexual oshit [16:41]
asciilifeform diaspora wins in this way against 'country', ancient observation really [16:41]
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bounce isn't that what the wto does? [16:41]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla : i see your lulz and raise you my lulz. [16:41]
kakobrekla yeah yeah but here charting is broked [16:42]
Vexual you dont get extra credit for borked chartes [16:42]
mats_cd03 70gb/s? [16:42]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 yeah, because mullenweg's poetry is never used for attacks over 2gbps [16:43]
mircea_popescu he knows. [16:43]
mats_cd03 damn, nigga [16:43]
asciilifeform !s mullenweg [16:43]
asciilifeform aha no arsebot [16:43]
mircea_popescu !s 550 gpbs [16:43]
asciilifeform lol [16:43]
mircea_popescu it's in the logs. [16:43]
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asciilifeform aha mullenweg is a flondor. [16:44]
punkman that's 70gb/day not sec [16:44]
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Vexual There was movement at the station, for the word had passed around [16:45]
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Vexual That the cold from old regret had got away [16:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you're quite right that a corpse won't get up even if everyone laments how 'unfairly' it was turned into a corpse. but i'm not convinced that nk is a corpse. [16:46]
Vexual no it's poorly managed [16:46]
asciilifeform for one thing, even the most miserable beggar in nk is homo sapiens and not homo redditicus [16:47]
asciilifeform what a reserve! [16:47]
mats_cd03 [16:47]
* assbot gives voice to undata [16:48]
assbot manual voicing fuck yea. [16:48]
asciilifeform no one in nk, afaik, has partaken of recycled food; [16:48]
asciilifeform select elite is permitted net access [16:48]
Vexual you lived in soviet union, it's probabbly similar [16:49]
asciilifeform Vexual: lol! [16:49]
assbot so is everyone ok with 'we just lose logs and keep assbot when ddos' ? [16:49]
RagnarDanneskjol no [16:49]
assbot alright then, ill decouple. [16:49]
Vexual just you have to hide internet nad crank lab as well as cow [16:49]
assbot too late! [16:50]
mircea_popescu punkman shh! runing my good lulz! [16:50]
mats_cd03 70gb/s would be quite a feat to resist [16:50]
mircea_popescu (but yes, i was cheating, it never came even close) [16:50]
assbot scam [16:50]
mircea_popescu !down assbot [16:50]
mircea_popescu supress all the evidences! [16:50]
assbot it already in the logs [16:51]
assbot o wait. [16:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what'd take to convince you ? [16:51]
Vexual what fucking evidence? [16:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: convince of what [16:51]
* asciilifeform is still waking up [16:51]
* mircea_popescu takes advantage of the move to buttsex a now empty kakobrekla. [16:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nk corpse. [16:52]
assbot lol [16:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha [16:52]
Vexual how do you know he's empty? [16:52]
mircea_popescu Vexual contents moved into assbot [16:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a corpse if when usg et al are in ruins, doesn't get up. [16:52]
Vexual well well [16:52]
assbot whut? [16:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nonsense. it's a corpse because have you seen their "largest building on earth" thingee ? [16:53]
Vexual consider yourself represend assbot [16:53]
mircea_popescu a country's a corpse when its achievements are hollow. [16:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: everyone's seen that one [16:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we had these in ru. and not entirely corpse. [16:53]
mircea_popescu "entirely" corspe ? there's no ru. you had them in cccp. which, yes, corpse. [16:53]
mircea_popescu and not because of the muricans, either. [16:53]
asciilifeform usg does behave as if the corpse still twitched [16:54]
mircea_popescu so it would. [16:54]
mircea_popescu chicks behave as if the penis is still erect throughout the day. [16:54]
asciilifeform lol [16:54]
chetty usg just wishes the corpse would twitch so they have a 'qualified' boogeyman [16:56]
undata the US govt still uses the anti-russian shtick from time to time (especially since the Ukraine situation) but has segued to using "radical islam" much more frequently [16:56]
mircea_popescu for one thing, even the most miserable beggar in nk is homo sapiens and not homo redditicus << this, in particular, i have no time for. seriously, everyone ? like who, like these cumdumpsters ? [16:57]
mircea_popescu yeah, they totally look not like reddit. o.O [16:57]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: those? they're at work. [16:59]
chetty to be fair those are not the poorest beggars [16:59]
mircea_popescu yes, they are. they just don't realise it. [17:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've never once worked a job that didn't feature this scene. [17:00]
mircea_popescu just like your average redditard [17:00]
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mircea_popescu leah whatever her name is, with a mortgage and a diploma. [17:00]
Vexual leah bitxoin? [17:00]
chetty MP harem prolly not that much different :P [17:00]
mircea_popescu quite different. [17:00]
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Vexual !up mike_c [17:03]
asciilifeform the reason i say 'they're at work' and that it is no reddit, is that a reddit is fundamentally a voluntary act [17:03]
mircea_popescu so is their "work" [17:03]
asciilifeform no one is marched grimly to the reddit [17:03]
asciilifeform so they can eat. [17:03]
mircea_popescu reddit is the workplace of the failed young adult, unemployable and "educated" [17:03]
mircea_popescu o yes they are. [17:03]
undata self-immolation is always an option. [17:03]
asciilifeform undata: if you can find the petrol! [17:03]
asciilifeform yes they are << curious, how? [17:04]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform undata siphon from parents' car! [17:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform same exact way stan. [17:04]
mircea_popescu "other people" [17:04]
mircea_popescu l'enfer, c'est l'autres. [17:05]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: talk to a medic in usa. these folks have a similarly dim concept of how to seppuku as of, e.g., how to program a computer [17:05]
* asciilifeform always saw reddit as an ordinary vice, like opium [17:05]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform suicide is similarly taboo up north [17:06]
asciilifeform one might take to opium from despair, or because you smoked it for the last 5 years and zapped your endorphins - but, required? [17:07]
Vexual perhaps [17:07]
pete_dushenski the city here is paying $2m for a cage to prevent people from jumping off the highest bridge... and cutting funding to the suicide hotline [17:07]
pete_dushenski such bezzle [17:07]
Vexual bullshit [17:07]
undata depends in my view on whether the "masses" essentially *need* leadership, or whether they can reasonably be expected to fend for themselves. [17:07]
undata asciilifeform: ^ [17:08]
pete_dushenski undata you read ? [17:08]
asciilifeform in what way is some perverse ceremony the king compels you to take part in, a 'reddit' ? [17:08]
undata pete_dushenski: no, but I will [17:08]
Vexual how'd you like sydney pete? [17:08]
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pete_dushenski Vexual patience... i'm still a ways away! [17:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform imo it's the new workplace. [17:09]
Vexual oh i thought you'd been there and done that [17:09]
asciilifeform new workplace << how's that? [17:10]
asciilifeform no pay [17:10]
mircea_popescu depends in my view on whether the "masses" essentially *need* leadership, or whether they can reasonably be expected to fend for themselves. << being owned is a fundamental human need. [17:10]
mircea_popescu tho polite psychologists call it "the need to belong" [17:10]
pete_dushenski heya mike_c. good point on the qntra blog. if i take another stab at it, i'll definitely tone down the blogger in me. [17:10]
undata mircea_popescu: then I'd say the peasants are gathered where they're easy to find; someone should see to them. [17:10]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the man who knows how to cook two different kinds of things is a better cook. [17:10]
mircea_popescu undata except many peasants, few someones. or in other word, ars longa, vita brevis, cock's only up a few minutes a day. [17:11]
mike_c pete_dushenski: cool, looking forward to it. [17:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the kIDing ? [17:11]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu agreed. [17:11]
undata mircea_popescu: haha, surely the internet provides something of a cock... amplifier? [17:11]
asciilifeform the folks on reddit 12h/day, presumably are fed somehow, and would remain fed if they decided to study mathematics instead [17:12]
mircea_popescu undata does not, no. [17:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not so. [17:12]
mircea_popescu you presume this "decision" object that's undefined. [17:12]
asciilifeform (on that day, i will propel myself into orbit using the monkeys that will fly from my arse, but that's beside the point) [17:12]
mircea_popescu no pay << i didn't fucking say "payplace" did i. [17:14]
asciilifeform lol! [17:14]
mircea_popescu well ? :) [17:14]
asciilifeform then yes, open-air prison [17:14]
mircea_popescu best korea! [17:14]
asciilifeform amazing korea. [17:14]
mircea_popescu amazing ass, bot! [17:14]
Vexual the border i swell defined [17:15]
Vexual one cannot stroll across [17:15]
asciilifeform incidentally, i was always curious why no bezzlatron lord (e.g. mark z) ever thought of opening a reddit which -does- pay the prisoners a subsistence wage [17:15]
asciilifeform that one would end up mandatory. [17:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i had this. fain, it was called, romanian digg. [17:16]
Vexual one in ten probably has some understanding of the permeability [17:16]
asciilifeform aha that thing [17:16]
mircea_popescu it's how romania made 90% of all bitcoin it ever made, back in 2012. [17:16]
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chetty the most workable prisons are the ones where the prisoners don't even see the bars [17:17]
othernubs` Vexual> the border i swell defined <<< i swell, defined! [17:17]
Vexual othernubs`: my tyypos are all accidental i swear [17:17]
othernubs` is wear! [17:17]
Vexual thats contrite [17:19]
othernubs` chetty does devil's island fall under this category? :D [17:19]
mircea_popescu othernubs` hey, you got all the orders about making a book ? [17:19]
othernubs` mp prolly havent seen any ;;notes, been getting this OLPC box set up and haven't authed as nubbins` in a few days [17:20]
othernubs` ;;notes nubbins` [17:22]
gribble Sent 12 hours and 3 minutes ago: ^ that something you can do ? and Sent 10 hours and 47 minutes ago: [17:22]
Vexual ;;gettrust othernubs` [17:22]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask othernubs`! Trust relationship from user muXne to user othernubs`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014 [17:22]
mircea_popescu lol none of which works i guess [17:22]
chetty chetty does devil's island fall under this category?//nope, the bars(water) can be observed [17:22]
othernubs` shit, newfoundland is a prison in that case ;p [17:23]
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othernubs` none of which works :) [17:26]
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mircea_popescu othernubs` gimme a sec here [17:27]
mircea_popescu << othernubs` and i think someone else wanted a copy but i forget who [17:28]
mircea_popescu btw if anyone cares : Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή. [17:29]
othernubs` oh fun [17:29]
othernubs` definitely do-able, sounds like a bitta work [17:30]
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othernubs` how many lines of code, anyone know offhand? [17:30]
mircea_popescu it's about 1.5mb or so [17:31]
mats_cd03 asciilifeform: what did you need a server for? i have access to a beefy cluster if you want to run a job. [17:32]
chanserv op #bitcoin-assets [17:32]
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Vexual shits getting all irc [17:33]
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* othernubs` thinks [17:34]
othernubs` yeah, gimme a week or so [17:35]
* Vexual scoffs [17:35]
mircea_popescu othernubs` the actual link was... also in the log lol. [17:35]
mircea_popescu to the code i mean [17:35]
Adlai othernubs`: [17:35]
othernubs` ah :D [17:35]
mircea_popescu shit you only realise wtf how much better #b-a is than a normal chan once the specific stuff hickups [17:35]
mircea_popescu im like... o, rly, irc w/o logs ? wut ? [17:35]
Vexual why 0.6? [17:36]
Adlai tl;dr: 210k lines of actual code, another ~160k lines of assorted crap [17:36]
mircea_popescu problem is... 210k lines would come to what, 3000 pages ? [17:37]
mircea_popescu course as a special printing job you could print on sideways paper. [17:38]
Vexual mircea_popescu: you're rinstating bait from 8chan? ho wwill you explain the semanitcs? [17:38]
mircea_popescu im not doin' anything [17:38]
Vexual 8 means sonething else in japan [17:39]
Vexual its magical tux when he slumps [17:40]
othernubs` well the real problem is long lines that need to be broken [17:41]
othernubs` this shit is hard to read [17:41]
mats_cd03 print on legal size! [17:42]
Vexual foolscap [17:42]
othernubs` fuck that, print on ledger [17:42]
othernubs` foolscap is for paper airplanes [17:42]
mircea_popescu print on individually cut papr for each line [17:42]
mircea_popescu then let user accidentally drop the pile. [17:42]
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mircea_popescu bitcoin improvements. [17:43]
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othernubs` not bad [17:43]
* mircea_popescu gives voice to thickasthieves [17:43]
othernubs` confetti [17:43]
rithm can it self distruct after reading too? [17:43]
thickasthieves ;;ticker [17:44]
thickasthieves bitstamp is down [17:44]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [17:44]
thickasthieves maybe it's our ddos friend [17:45]
pete_dushenski othernubs` some binding ideas for ye: [17:45]
mats_cd03 ;;isup [17:45]
gribble is up [17:45]
Vexual im not sure if ive mentioned it before but mr talebs' invite was clturally innapropriate [17:47]
pete_dushenski Vexual levantines no like sexy time? [17:48]
thickasthieves well if he didnt like the invite, he wouldnt like it here either [17:50]
othernubs` asciilifeform, srsly tho, 1btc? :0 [17:50]
thickasthieves so maybe it was perfect [17:50]
othernubs` pete_dushenski, i should prolly wait til i'm at an actual computer before i click that link [17:50]
othernubs` this machine slows dangerously when stressed ;p [17:51]
Vexual whaddaya got an ipad clitring? [17:51]
othernubs` heh [17:51]
othernubs` olpc xo-1 [17:52]
Vexual oh nice [17:52]
othernubs` its like a tenth of an ipad [17:52]
asciilifeform othernubs`: willing to consider even 2 - but product has to be genuinely nice. [17:52]
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othernubs` asciilifeform, i do indeed make genuinely nice things [17:52]
Vexual motions the same [17:52]
asciilifeform othernubs`: lay-flat? [17:52]
asciilifeform colour print? [17:53]
asciilifeform no mutilated cpp syntax (e.g. lines broken in places such that a compiler would balk were they re-entered in that form) ? [17:53]
Vexual dy na mo [17:53]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: server << for [17:53]
othernubs` i was a programmer by trade for 5 years, i know how to display code in a sensible fashion :) [17:54]
xanthyos [17:54]
pete_dushenski yay! dow is soaring again! [17:55]
pete_dushenski thanks be to aapl pay! [17:55]
othernubs` tell ya what, if you put half a btc down, i'll dive in. if it ends up not working out for practical reasons, i'll refund ya [17:55]
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asciilifeform Adlai, nubbins`: the xml crap can be burned, and in the printing job can only be done by a fellow who understands that not all of the tarball is useful [17:55]
kakobrekla a compiler would balk were they re-entered in that form) ? < ocr purpose? [17:56]
Vexual [17:56]
pete_dushenski xanthyos lol! [17:56]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: nah, i just want the 'fried ice' of text that is at least 4mm tall but no - under any circumstances - extra brain effort to reassemble lines. [17:57]
othernubs` if it ends up being made, and being something others want, i'll even give ya 10% of net profits [17:57]
pete_dushenski Vexual nb. [17:57]
othernubs` ;;google diverse capable proud [17:58]
gribble Diverse. Capable. Proud. This is Today's RNC - :60 - YouTube: ; Diverse. Capable. Proud. This is Today's RNC - :15 - YouTube: ; Diverse. Capable. Proud. This is Today's RNC - :30 - YouTube: [17:58]
othernubs` ^ watch 1st link [17:58]
othernubs` ;;google rnc tourism video [17:58]
gribble RNC Tourism Video - YouTube: ; AROUND CLEVELAND: RNC finds out what Clevelanders already ...: ; Ad 2 TB AdCast: Branding Tampa Bay (RNC) - YouTube: [17:58]
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asciilifeform othernubs`: crank out a pgp-signed proclamation with addr for deposit [17:59]
othernubs` ^ then that 1st link [17:59]
othernubs` asciilifeform, sec [17:59]
asciilifeform othernubs`: i'll see to it when i come back from where i'm about to go. [17:59]
pete_dushenski othernubs` such snowmobile! [17:59]
othernubs` :o [17:59]
othernubs` such attack dog, so riot gear [17:59]
pete_dushenski cazalla BingoBoingo [18:01]
pete_dushenski ^dat bezzlesplosion [18:01]
Vexual ratuken [18:01]
Vexual now theres a two way enjoy [18:02]
Vexual [18:03]
pete_dushenski heh time to print more food stamps >> [18:03]
pete_dushenski "Third-quarter earnings fell a worse-than-expected 30%. McDonald's reported a profit of $1.07 billion, or $1.09 a share, vs. $1.52 billion, or $1.52 a share, a year earlier" [18:04]
Vexual ratuken shits all over alibaba [18:05]
* Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." [18:05]
Vexual let me count the ways [18:06]
Adlai too much lurking in #b-a makes Adlai a lysdexic yob [18:06]
pete_dushenski Adlai what is this, 2016? [18:06]
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Adlai Is It 2016 Yet? [18:06]
Vexual approaching [18:07]
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Vexual don't wiah away time [18:08]
Vexual *wish [18:09]
pete_dushenski othernubs` asciilifeform if this car owner's manual is selling for 10 btc (which it is), 1-2 btc seems perfectly reasonable for this custom code book [18:09]
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pete_dushenski ;;rate cazalla 1 news anchor at [18:15]
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pete_dushenski ;;rate BingoBoingo 2 news anchor, blogger, spinozan. [18:16]
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pete_dushenski ;;rate nubbins` 2 canuckistani, printer of fine things. [18:17]
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othernubs` d'aww [18:17]
pete_dushenski othernubs` twas overdue ;) [18:18]
pete_dushenski ;;rate asciilifeform 2 loper, maker, the go-to for infosec. [18:19]
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pete_dushenski i think that's all the catching up for now. [18:20]
Vexual you've lied to me [18:20]
pete_dushenski [18:22]
pete_dushenski << because what's mpex anyways? [18:23]
othernubs` ;;later tell asciilifeform [18:23]
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othernubs` separared into chapters! oh my. [18:24]
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othernubs` might be a fun lil project, we'll see [18:25]
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kakobrekla jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee [18:29]
bounce othernubs`, asciilifeform: how many actual code (C, C++, etc.) lines exceed 80 characters? [18:30]
thickasthieves [18:31]
assbot Google launches support for Security Key, a simpler kind of two-factor authentication | The Verge [18:31]
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mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo << and somehow in spite of all these "investement" nobody is buying the shorts pretty much. [18:38]
mircea_popescu such strange money. [18:38]
mircea_popescu * Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." << da fuck would bitbet do with 15mn. [18:39]
bounce spend it on hookers and blow [18:39]
Adlai s/spend/invest/ [18:39]
bounce then it's "no touching the merchandise" [18:40]
kakobrekla new css [18:40]
kakobrekla shady logo [18:40]
kakobrekla and a KYC team [18:41]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell asciilifeform <<< i like this shit. [18:41]
kakobrekla over wifi. [18:42]
mircea_popescu you two are doing it right. [18:42]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla "know your cunt" ? [18:42]
kakobrekla know your chump doh [18:42]
mircea_popescu oh sorry [18:43]
mircea_popescu On 15 June 1961, two months before the construction of the Berlin Wall started, First Secretary of the Socialist Unity Party and Staatsrat chairman Walter Ulbricht stated in an international press conference, "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!" <<< nobody has any intention to fuck up bitcoin o.O [18:43]
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RagnarDanneskjol ha [18:48]
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pete_dushenski ok, ima give this qntra news thing another hack. [18:58]
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xinxi who is running qntra news? [18:59]
pete_dushenski xinxi that'd be mircea_popescu cazalla and BingoBoingo [18:59]
xinxi i see [19:00]
mircea_popescu xinxi oyu know, someone to do chinese coverage would be very valuable. [19:00]
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xinxi yeah, I can help [19:02]
xinxi but as far as i know, there are already a few news site about bitcoin in china. [19:02]
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bounce in english? [19:03]
othernubs` kakobrekla> jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee << cost of doing business ;) [19:03]
bounce also, check what sets qntra apart [19:03]
mircea_popescu xinxi the idea is to read and summarize chinese news in english [19:03]
othernubs` mircea_popescu> you two are doing it right. << if its worth doing... [19:03]
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xinxi mircea_popescu - that may be a good idea. [19:04]
mircea_popescu so get on it! [19:04]
xinxi is it free? [19:04]
xinxi for people to publish news? [19:05]
mircea_popescu < read that. you get shares. [19:05]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu your two cents on which would make a better qntra article: or [19:05]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski neither, bs pr crapolade. [19:05]
mircea_popescu pr isn't news. [19:05]
pete_dushenski the foundation one is kinda funny because they're announcing "the consideration of a committee" [19:06]
pete_dushenski but ya [19:06]
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mircea_popescu so if it's funny have a lol at it on blog. not news. [19:06]
pete_dushenski [19:06]
pete_dushenski ^happening now [19:07]
chetty at the bitcoin!!! good enough for a lol [19:07]
othernubs` heh [19:07]
pete_dushenski [–]gavinandresen[S] 32 points 38 minutes ago Bugs in "Bitcoin" ? "Bitcoin" isn't software, it is a protocol, so that's like asking "what do you think about bugs in HTTP?" [19:08]
bounce because http is like perfect and stuff. no bugs there. ever. nosiree. [19:08]
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asciilifeform <<< [19:10]
othernubs` consider your hand heartily shaken! [19:11]
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othernubs` shame deedbot is down [19:11]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly. [19:11]
pete_dushenski [–]gavinandresen[S] 26 points an hour ago Biggest misconception: That Bitcoin will Topple Governments and the Powerful. Governments will do what they always do -- they will adapt (well, the worst ones will fail, causing misery and suffering; maybe Bitcoin will speed that up a little, and mitigate the misery a little). [19:13]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there. [19:14]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu granted :) [19:15]
RagnarDanneskjol deedbot is actually up - in here under different nick - just the server it lives on failed security audit [19:15]
kakobrekla wait what? [19:16]
RagnarDanneskjol yea [19:16]
RagnarDanneskjol punkman's ver is getting very close too [19:16]
kakobrekla punkmans deedbot runs on one of my droplets [19:16]
kakobrekla a you speak of the carcas [19:16]
RagnarDanneskjol talkin bout the old one [19:16]
pete_dushenski hey logs are back... just missing 5-16h [19:16]
kakobrekla what you are looking at atm is unlive version of logs [19:17]
mircea_popescu unlive, you mean dead ? [19:18]
kakobrekla its not dead, just not live [19:18]
mircea_popescu dead logs, by jim kakoosh [19:18]
RagnarDanneskjol is there a zip/torrent of all logs avail somewhere? [19:18]
kakobrekla i can make a zip [19:18]
asciilifeform << for those who missed... [19:19]
RagnarDanneskjol would be most grateful for it [19:19]
bounce ``I'd rather not speculate in an open forum about the best ways to screw with Bitcoin.'' (Perish_In_a_Fire) -- aww. [19:19]
asciilifeform ^ last 2000 ln. [19:19]
mircea_popescu what, our security lies in obscurity now ? [19:19]
ben_vulpes it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist. [19:20]
mircea_popescu so "governments" will prevail, as fucking if there can even be such a thing as a government other than bitcoin ; and bitcoin gotta hide its misshapen form in the dark. [19:20]
mircea_popescu i totally wish to read more idiocy from this gavin puppet. [19:20]
kakobrekla asciilifeform saves the day [19:20]
kakobrekla literally. [19:20]
mircea_popescu lmao [19:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it exists, it's just not been made. [19:21]
kakobrekla anyway RagnarDanneskjol what do you want in the zip? csv? sql? a puddle? daily files? [19:23]
* Adlai is quite curious to see what happens if/when changes such as a the blocksize hardfork get pushed to the reference implementation [19:24]
mircea_popescu this is sort-of like wanting to see what happens if/when the soviets finally decide to cross fulda ? [19:25]
Adlai "some people just wanna see the world burn" ^_^ [19:26]
mircea_popescu i'm all for it, the level of either cluelessness or desperation such a move entails is promising. [19:27]
Adlai such a drastic change would definitely cast this issue (and others) into the limelight, until now it's been confined to a few IRC channels and blog posts [19:28]
bounce with enough hashrate on 0.6 (or whichever, maintained etc.) and staying there, hardforks are bound to fizzle. could try and talk to large pool operators. [19:29]
Adlai as much as the timecube's four days revolve around the WoT, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who have heard about the hardfork proposal haven't heard any competing argument against it [19:29]
mats_cd03 so? [19:29]
mats_cd03 the only opinion that matters is that of miners. [19:29]
mats_cd03 and... they won't let themselves get shit on. [19:29]
Adlai miners are people too, and people don't always make the best decisions. even if they act rationally, they might not be aware of all the information about an issue. [19:30]
mats_cd03 uh... [19:31]
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chetty You've long been a proponent of the "Bitcoin is an experiment" line of thinking. While that is technically true, so is "Gravity is just a theory". What needs to happen for you to switch from "Bitcoin is an experiment" to "Bitcoin is established"? [19:32]
chetty permalink [19:32]
chetty [–]gavinandresen[S] 38 points an hour ago [19:32]
chetty We need regulatory clarity, ease of use, and no-single-point-of-failure security. [19:32]
chetty I think we're very close on all of those things. [19:32]
RagnarDanneskjol kakobrekla - sorry nevermind -apparently Azelphur has everything logged since the beginning of time. I can throw it up somewhere for whoevers wants it [19:33]
Adlai gavin on the hardfork: [19:33]
assbot gavinandresen comments on I'm Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation. Ask me anything! [19:33]
mircea_popescu Adlai the "most people" argument is pretty much nil. [19:33]
mircea_popescu most bitcoin reads mp way before it remembers who the fuck this gavin schmuck is. [19:33]
mircea_popescu because money doesn't think all that much of code monkeys. and definitely isn't going to start taking their ideas of how to manage things seriously. [19:34]
Adlai how closely coupled are "most bitcoin" and "most hashrate"? [19:34]
mircea_popescu it hasn't happened yet, in 100 years of computing. [19:34]
mircea_popescu most hashrate is a secondary factor here. [19:34]
mircea_popescu yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision. [19:35]
diametric maybe i'm mistaken but doesn't the white paper basically state a hard fork will be required in the future to address scalability? [19:35]
mircea_popescu their failure was signalled to them within minutes, and they obeyed that signal in an hour. [19:35]
mircea_popescu bitcoin will work no different. [19:35]
othernubs` ah, i forgot you can disable the backlight on this thing [19:36]
othernubs` outdoor irc, here i cum [19:37]
mircea_popescu diametric among a bevy of similar nonsense. [19:37]
Apocalyptic yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision. // btw that was pretty impressive [19:40]
mircea_popescu after a fashion. [19:40]
kakobrekla RagnarDanneskjol if you can put them in order i can include them online (before the log starts) [19:40]
Adlai it'd be a little funny if all the devs agreed to the hardfork, got a working patch together, then went miner by miner and couldn't get a single one to agree to switch [19:40]
RagnarDanneskjol ok [19:41]
mircea_popescu they'd just be a iota more ridiculously pointless than they are today [19:41]
mircea_popescu which in the grand scheme of things isn't really much at all. they've already fucked the goat in the public market long ago [19:41]
mircea_popescu eating some earthworms or w/e isn't really doing much anymore. [19:41]
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mircea_popescu %d [19:48]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 829946.86 in 1463 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 76.75 [19:48]
mircea_popescu heh. [19:48]
xanthyos apparently canada is adding plastic content to its fiat paper to make it less rippable. the fiat may not be backed, but reinforced paper will fool the masses [19:50]
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thestringpuller %tslb [19:50]
atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#46921): 0 hour(s), 5 minutes [19:50]
xanthyos and it has a picture of the queen on it, so that's worth something. [19:51]
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othernubs` xanthyos, 100% polymer notes for a while now [19:54]
othernubs` they're neat, i'll sell ya one [19:55]
mircea_popescu dude this "father of invention" flic is the most god awful pandering piece of shit [19:55]
mircea_popescu it'd almost work as a parody of the redditard generation, except spacey is playing it full straight. [19:55]
mircea_popescu he should be fucking flogged for this one. [19:55]
othernubs` it's rare to see a paper banknote nowadays [19:55]
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thestringpuller there is another nubs? [19:56]
othernubs` <-- [19:56]
thestringpuller thee nubs? [19:56]
thestringpuller or different? [19:56]
othernubs` one and the same [19:56]
xanthyos i guess i'd buy one just for the thrill of getting something in the mail [19:57]
othernubs` can't go sharing private gpg keys between boxes [19:57]
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othernubs` xanthyos, postage is about $2 to usa, what denomination you want? [19:57]
othernubs` 5/10/20/50/100 [19:57]
xanthyos the lowest [19:58]
xanthyos nevermind i dont' need this [19:58]
xanthyos it's silly [19:58]
xanthyos but thanks for the offer [19:58]
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othernubs` haha [19:58]
othernubs` :D [19:58]
othernubs` pictures sort-of do them justice [19:58]
othernubs` altho the clear panel is way cooler in person [19:58]
mircea_popescu lol failed impulse buy. oh #b-a whay are you such a mall! [19:58]
othernubs` haha inorite [19:59]
othernubs` he prolly realized his local bank stocks CAD [19:59]
mircea_popescu !up Pierre_Rochard [19:59]
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xanthyos i'm not a collector [19:59]
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mircea_popescu no, he prolly realised that he doesn't need it or want to use it and it'll just gather dust [19:59]
mircea_popescu !up manamex [20:00]
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othernubs` yeah, prolly ;/ [20:01]
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pakaloloz Good Morning. [20:02]
othernubs` hi [20:02]
othernubs` welcome, even! [20:02]
thestringpuller Pierre_Rochard haven't seen you in awhile [20:02]
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pakaloloz so BTCJAM aka BTCSCAM announced... "We are happy to announce that we have added bank account & credit card verification!" [20:04]
pakaloloz How scary.... [20:04]
Adlai so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". coincidence? i think not! [20:04]
pakaloloz I do think this may be as DPB says "#badforbitcoin" [20:05]
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Adlai although admittedly i've spent a grand total of about fifteen seconds trying [20:06]
Pierre_Rochard thestringpuller: work for the employer and my own projects. I have been reading the logs [20:09]
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kakobrekla so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". < you be in wrong channels [20:10]
mircea_popescu Adlai there's not that much in a name. [20:10]
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fluffypony [20:23]
fluffypony want. [20:23]
assbot We rode a $10,000 hoverboard, and you can too [20:23]
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xanthyos hoverboards don't work on water. not unless you have power. [20:26]
asciilifeform 'theoretically raise a building off of its foundation during an earthquake, essentially rendering the natural disaster's tremors harmless' << newton's laws crying from neglect [20:27]
asciilifeform the leper's bell of retarded sc4mz0rz - a flagrant and malignant disregard for elementary physics [20:28]
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xanthyos but if the ground unit vibrated so too would its magnetic field and thus the building [20:29]
xanthyos though it would absorb shock [20:30]
asciilifeform why should it absorb shock? [20:30]
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asciilifeform not that an electromagnetic shock absorber is impossible - it exists, and has for years - but no magic here. [20:31]
asciilifeform and magnetically-floated item is not resting on 'nothing at all', yes. [20:31]
xanthyos well there would have to be magnets in the ground to create the field for the building to be repulsed from in the event of an earthquake [20:31]
asciilifeform i have a very special, very deep loathing for 'kickstart' sc4mz0rs. especially of this particular species. [20:32]
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Apocalyptic asciilifeform, to be fair it's not the newton's law that is neglected here, but the fact that you won't get a magnetic field even close to be powerfull enough to support that weight [20:32]
asciilifeform nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. [20:33]
mike_c on kickstarter those guys are selling a hover board for $450 that.. doesn't hover. [20:34]
xanthyos that propagated vibration would be less than the vibration the building would experience without the field gap between it and the ground magnets [20:34]
Apocalyptic "and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object." that's assuming a magnetic field of constant power, right ? [20:34]
asciilifeform they are selling 'hope, chance,' chope, hange. [20:35]
xanthyos unless they were "smartmagnets" that could generate the inverse wave to the vibration to cancel it out in the same way that some car radios use microphones to cancel out road noise [20:36]
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xanthyos of course, a hacker could then simulate an earthquake on that building to the same extent of magnitude that the smartmagnets were designed to resist against [20:37]
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asciilifeform say ground moves 20cm down and then 30cm back up, earthquake. or fell into a ditch. cancel that. [20:37]
pete_dushenski lol these contravex commenters are getting angrier and angrier: [20:37]
assbot Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [20:37]
xanthyos oh if the ground level changes that much there's no way a magnetic field could hold it consistently [20:37]
xanthyos project fail. [20:37]
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xanthyos also the bouncing of the building would put equal force on the ground and magnetically try to push away the ground structure even more [20:38]
thestringpuller wow that's insane [20:39]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: your commentors intellect is slowly deteriorating [20:39]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller too popular mebbe [20:39]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i would seriously like to see someone - anyone - try to argue intelligently against 'software does not fail.' as presented in the essay. [20:39]
pete_dushenski mr. "aaa" sorta kinda lamely tried. [20:40]
pete_dushenski ended up just pointing out that the software i was advocating for wasn't perfect. [20:40]
asciilifeform intelligently. [20:40]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform myeah [20:40]
pete_dushenski well, i'll keep sifting through the spam and letcha know [20:41]
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asciilifeform but it did not 'fail' - when anyone, anywhere, says 'this software failed' - they are suggesting that it once worked. and that the object that once worked, and then wotrked no longer, consists of the closed system of 'this software.' which is horseshit. [20:41]
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othernubs` like it sprained a knee or something and can't parse your bits properly anymore because of it [20:42]
asciilifeform yes, apparently. [20:43]
othernubs` as well gesture to one's flaccid penis and declare "my pool cue has failed" [20:43]
asciilifeform thing is, these poor sods actually believe that they live in a universe where 'software can fail.' as if it were a physical object. [20:44]
asciilifeform and therefore needs to be 'maintained' lest it 'break.' [20:44]
othernubs` imagine living in a world where logic can fail [20:45]
kakobrekla well it does [20:45]
kakobrekla all the time [20:45]
asciilifeform !s break mathematics [20:46]
assbot 1 results for 'break mathematics' : [20:46]
bounce bit of a definition question. where others say "oh it seemed to work but it doesn't know, must've failed", said essayist says "it may have seemed to work but it was already failing, only invisibly so and nobody knew about it" [20:46]
kakobrekla logic as human concept fails all the time [20:46]
thestringpuller nanotube: are there json-like feeds of WoT data from gribble? Or must we use the sqlite db dumps? [20:47]
othernubs` come across a broken clock at the right moment and it won't seem broken for almost a minute! [20:47]
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asciilifeform the whole crock of shit, the culture of tolerating bugs, relies on this notion, that it is 'impossible to write perfect code' [20:47]
othernubs` kakobrekla, as a human concept :D [20:47]
othernubs` what doesn't?! [20:47]
kakobrekla yeah as it stands now, it is impossible [20:48]
xanthyos [20:48]
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bounce [20:49]
assbot The Haunted Door - The Daily WTF [20:49]
kakobrekla !s drop keyboard [20:49]
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othernubs` i guess the leap is in identifying capital-l Logic as a thing which does not simply fail under such benign circumstances [20:49]
asciilifeform !s flashlight crash [20:50]
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othernubs` like theory vs theory [20:50]
kakobrekla O_o [20:50]
othernubs` Theory, even [20:50]
othernubs` well it's just a theeery hyuk [20:50]
* bounce sells software blessings for bitcoin [20:51]
othernubs` it's not 'just' a goddamn theory! [20:51]
othernubs` bounce me too ;D [20:52]
* bounce tolerates no competition and smites othernubs` [20:53]
asciilifeform log bot dead? [20:54]
kakobrekla decoupled [20:54]
kakobrekla it will get synced [20:55]
asciilifeform looks like it [20:55]
kakobrekla we are being logged fyi. [20:55]
othernubs` the walls have eyes [21:01]
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asciilifeform what other organs do the walls have ? [21:02]
undata asciilifeform: depends on whether there's a hole cut [21:02]
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ben_vulpes gawdamn [21:31]
gabriel_laddel thestringpuller: where are you finding those dumps? I ended up writing a scraper... [21:31]
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jurov asciilifeform: is it possible to say for software, like for bridges "it must not have more than X life-threatening bugs, hence so much $$$ is needed"? [21:35]
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nanotube thestringpuller: there is partial json api coverage. see the [json] links on website. [21:37]
asciilifeform jurov: need the basics first. i.e. - total, godlike control over the entirety of the machine by the designer (hw & sw both) to even consider this. [21:37]
jurov that needs godlike mind, no? [21:38]
asciilifeform jurov: and, if you think you can afford this for c/cpp code of any substantial complexity, you've a mistaken concept of 'this' [21:38]
jurov pls calm down. nowhere i mentioned C [21:39]
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jurov so i take it your answer it is not possible, unless the designer is a wizard and pours his blood into the project [21:40]
asciilifeform jurov: more or less, yes [21:41]
jurov from it directly implies that for mere mortals,assertion "all software has bugs" is correct. [21:41]
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bounce you can look at the cost of very low bug count software. like rocket steering stuff, the airbus fly-by-wire stuff, or even the full authority software control stuff in the osprey [21:42]
asciilifeform bounce: the 'rocket-grade' stuff is largely a scam. but even if we assume that it does what is advertised (ship bug-free) - a titanic boondoggle, like accounting using roman numerals. [21:43]
bounce *shrug* if you're asking for actual current cost, looking at what the industry does works, even if it is fundamentally flawed. [21:44]
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asciilifeform bounce: in what way does it make sense to ask for the current cost of something that is not, in fact, available? [21:45]
bounce how is it not available? [21:46]
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asciilifeform bounce: because if something doesn't fit in one head, for anyone to claim that it is 'bug free' is a brazen lie, given that he could not possibly understand the object to the necessary extent. [21:48]
bounce the quest wasn't for "bug free" but for "low bug count", and that's available... for a price. [21:49]
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asciilifeform 'bug count' ?!?!? in what universe is this concept useful? just one bug, let's say, but it's 'heartbleed.' superior to ten non-exploitable crash conditions? [21:50]
asciilifeform code is either correct, for all possible inputs, or it is not. [21:50]
bounce who cares how useful the concept is? the question was what it was. [21:50]
bounce I mean, really now, we get where you're coming from and for all I know you're right; but that doesn't change that we don't have the ideal world and that people are making do with the needlessly-less-than-ideal one. [21:51]
bounce you can perfectly well look at what they do there and what pricetag results. [21:51]
asciilifeform what i was trying to say is that the 'proven code' folks are sc4mz0rz, rather than people genuinely trying to solve an unsolvable problem in cruel world, etc [21:54]
bounce or perhaps don quichottes, or whatever. [21:55]
* bounce is aware that model checking is strictly harder than NP-complete, yes [21:55]
asciilifeform no - sc4mz0rz. folks who charge a king's ransom to carry out something they know is impossible - are scamming. [21:56]
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bounce hm. wasn't aware that the guys writing ariane s/w and the like claimed to serve "proven" s/w, just very carefully vetted stuff. hence "low bug count", not "bug free". [21:57]
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othernubs` bug-free is a bold statement [22:08]
bounce it's akin to "100% security". obvious unobtanium. [22:09]
othernubs` ;;google 100% security [22:09]
gribble English - MPEx: [22:09]
mike_c function (bug) { print "this is a feature!" } [22:09]
mircea_popescu nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. << [22:09]
mircea_popescu for some reason kids going through bad school get this idea that a magnetic field is a sort of couch cushion [22:09]
mircea_popescu this is not factual. [22:09]
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mike_c i went through a decent school, and i have the idea that magnetic fields are magic. [22:10]
bounce noo, they're magnetic [22:11]
mike_c [22:11]
mircea_popescu mr. "aaa" sorta kinda lamely tried. << he had some merit, not sure why all the posturing tho. [22:11]
mircea_popescu you wanna posture, get a name. aaa's don't get to, wtf is this. [22:11]
mircea_popescu mike_c they are in fact magic, that part is not wrong. [22:12]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong to come out of school with the idea that magnetism = magic. that's pretty much an accurate discussion of the current scientific understanding of the topic. [22:13]
mircea_popescu it is however mistaken to come out with the idea that magnetism = benevolent magic, or = your id. it's neither. [22:13]
bounce ``The Byzantines used Christianity to convert and create allies. We create allies through conversion to our democracy and the ideals of our Constitution.'' << behold, american religion [22:13]
mircea_popescu "everything you write about so lightly is infinitely more complex?" << lol the "infinitely complex" libtard trick [22:14]
asciilifeform one could imagine a universe with 'benevolent magic', but we don't live there. [22:14]
mircea_popescu o look, there's a 20 yo junior rabbi in the house. lmao. [22:14]
mircea_popescu bounce it works splendidly too. [22:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google ludovico dandolo [22:15]
gribble Andrea Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Francesco Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Giovanni Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [22:15]
othernubs` speaking of unobtainium, these metallic inks are getting us a bunch of jobs lately. offset printers can suck it [22:15]
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mircea_popescu visited the man's grave, too. he was the first and the thickest cock to rape byzantium. [22:15]
mircea_popescu you know, like obama, the us ally, was the first and perhaps the thickest cock to rape washington. [22:15]
bounce wouldn't benevolence require some sort of intelligence or something? [22:15]
mircea_popescu bounce yes, it is begging the question. [22:15]
mircea_popescu obviously nothing in nature can be "benevolent" seeing how human agency is an ulterior layer. [22:16]
mircea_popescu it's like asking for an "app aware" tcp/ip implementation. [22:16]
mircea_popescu othernubs` i tell you, i love my gold ink cards. [22:16]
bounce inasmuch as that humanity is part of nature, though picturing itself above it. [22:16]
mircea_popescu bounce no, inasmuch as fist though your skull moves the matter of your skull around in one way, but MEANS in a number of different arbitrary ways [22:17]
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bounce this doesn't compute. take your hand outta my brains and try again? [22:17]
othernubs` mircea_popescu, latest job is biz cards and letterheads w/ gold ink for a boutique hotel [22:18]
mircea_popescu bounce i dunno how. [22:18]
mircea_popescu let's try it this way. suppose there's a cathedral tower with a clock. [22:19]
mircea_popescu what's the time ? [22:19]
othernubs` depends how far away the tower is [22:19]
mircea_popescu othernubs` o, you want fist in skull too ? [22:20]
othernubs` HEH [22:20]
othernubs` tell me i'm wrong ;) [22:20]
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mircea_popescu you're not wrong or right, we're not there yet. just waiting for bounce to pick a time. [22:20]
othernubs` do it, bounce! [22:21]
bounce well, try this on first: "tcp/ip" generally refers to the whole stack. supposing you really ment IP (layer 3, conventionally), then "app aware" (with app: layer 7) would be a bit of a layer violation. [22:22]
mircea_popescu bounce exactly my point. [22:22]
mircea_popescu "benevolence" as an objective quality is a layer violation. [22:22]
bounce I ment that layer 7 still needs the lower layers to function, it doesn't float in air [22:22]
mircea_popescu no, it doesn't need them "to function", because it functioning is not a layer 7 thing. [22:23]
undata well and even among apps, "benevolence" could be defined differently [22:23]
mircea_popescu undata awareness, not benevolence. map correctly! [22:23]
undata that's a much harder term to define. [22:24]
bounce what is benevolence, really? apparently we can have malicious packets and software, but benevolent ones? [22:24]
bounce er, tcp doesn't do crap without ip to transport it. the layers do build on each other [22:25]
Adlai malefactors gonna malefact but packets just pack [22:25]
chetty isnt the difference between malicious and benevolent and mattr of viewpoint? [22:25]
mircea_popescu bounce that is just a manner of speaking. [22:25]
mircea_popescu they're obviously not malicious in and of themselves. [22:26]
Adlai well there is a missing object. malice and benevolence don't exist in a vacuum, they have to be directed at something [22:26]
mircea_popescu just, the fucktards that write about things they don;'t understand, when they're not busy husslking pete in his comment section, [22:26]
bounce it does include a value judgement. so it'd require a judging facility [22:26]
mircea_popescu misuse the words. [22:26]
mircea_popescu bounce it's irrelevant what it "does" at the level where ip is defined, see ? [22:26]
mircea_popescu stop mixing utility into ideality, that's not how thinking works. [22:27]
bounce "zomg rude!" -- some new guy with no clue of the local rules. << appears to be an american thing? [22:27]
mircea_popescu makes no difference "what use is the sun to us", that's an ontological point not an ethical one. [22:27]
bounce so there's no ethics to archimedes' mirrors? [22:28]
mircea_popescu none. [22:28]
mircea_popescu othernubs`> imagine living in a world where logic can fail <<< that's life in a "social sciences" universe. [22:28]
mircea_popescu their logic fails all the god damned time, mostly because it's not logic, self-supported, it's dreamweaving [22:29]
mircea_popescu and dreamweaving MUST be constantly maintained. [22:29]
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bounce warzones typically are unhinging because there's no rhyme or reason to the happenings. [22:30]
mircea_popescu << this is incidentally great reading on the topic, albeit in languages. [22:30]
assbot Inchipuiti-va pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:30]
bounce (thus we conclude that wars are applied social science) [22:30]
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mircea_popescu not rly. [22:30]
bounce Y U NO LIEK my logic? [22:31]
mircea_popescu warzones are "unhinging" because the complexity of "society" is a function of the mean distance between individual and his own death [22:31]
mircea_popescu if that is reduced significantly, the need for some forms goes away. [22:31]
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mircea_popescu that's why the classical, 19th century murican has the reputation of being uncouth and direct and undecourous in europe [22:31]
mircea_popescu cuz he got to see his own death on average a lot closer than the average yurpean [22:31]
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bounce I'd say the predictability is the more valued property there [22:31]
mircea_popescu how so ? [22:32]
bounce if everybody lives to, say, 30, then dies without fail, it's a fact of life [22:32]
mircea_popescu you ever been in a warzone ? [22:33]
chetty bounce, ever see 'Logan's Run' ? [22:33]
bounce no, and I'd like to keep it that way, TYVM [22:33]
mircea_popescu but it's nonsense. who the fuck thinks about "the future" lol. people in a warzone think about cunt, and maybe good cognac. [22:33]
bounce haven't seen it, roughly know the plot. probably should take the time sometime. [22:33]
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chetty people died at 30 ... [22:33]
mircea_popescu to think about "your career" you gotta be so far away from a warzone your head'd be spinning [22:33]
thestringpuller ;;google keep their heads spinnin [22:34]
gribble Dr. Dre - Keep Their Heads Ringin' - YouTube: ; Why Figure Skaters Don't Seem Dizzy After Spinning: ; THE READY SET LYRICS - Spinnin' - A-Z Lyrics: [22:34]
thestringpuller ah ringin' [22:34]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: where are you finding those dumps? I ended up writing a scraper... << twas in the chan like n times, but : [22:36]
undata it's interesting that one could ask himself whether it's ethical to establish the conditions necessary for ethical reasoning, but only under the necessary conditions... [22:37]
mircea_popescu wait, wut ?! [22:37]
mircea_popescu one can ask no ethical questions about ontos. [22:38]
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mircea_popescu you can ask, "is it ethical to kill this man", you can not ask "is it ethical for this man to have been killed." obviously, he's dead, so nevermind. [22:38]
undata right, ethics concerns action [22:38]
mircea_popescu and confusing "was it ethical for this man to be kiled at he point in the past when he was" with "is it" is so fuckin dumb [22:38]
undata I was proceeding from the point about war [22:39]
mircea_popescu it automatically paints one as an intellectual failure of the english speaking school of idiocy. [22:39]
mircea_popescu anyway. there's no ethical violation in the dead being dead, no matter how they got to be there, nor in the raped to be dripping cum, nor in any other thing that is. they're fine as they are ; being trumps fretting. [22:40]
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undata or, the present is all there is [22:41]
mircea_popescu something like that. [22:41]
mircea_popescu depends where you're going with it. [22:41]
undata talking about what's ethical in the present is hard to generalize [22:44]
undata that's what I was referring to above re: apps [22:44]
undata depends on what your goals are, and why, and why, and why [22:45]
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undata modern neuroscience makes that "you" itself harder to define by the day [22:47]
BingoBoingo Fuck, is nothing newsworthy ever going to drop today? [22:48]
thestringpuller hahaha [22:49]
BingoBoingo I mean there's the Gavin Q/A, people recycling yesterday's news, and... is anything else happening? [22:50]
undata BingoBoingo: need moar ebola to get off or something? ha [22:50]
bounce start a bitcoin enterprise or something. then you can report on it yourself. [22:51]
thestringpuller [22:51]
assbot MIT computer scientists can predict the price of Bitcoin | MIT News [22:51]
bounce got any A series VC? [22:51]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Other oulets reported that already. I remember thickasthieves making fun of them. [22:51]
thestringpuller thats all i got [22:52]
Adlai wonderful headline inflation there [22:52]
thestringpuller mit is lame [22:53]
bounce what's this "digital identity framework", other than a couple highfalutin' bullet points? [22:54]
bounce ``OMS is a trusted compute platform for developing and deploying secure cloud applications to collect, compute on and share personal data.'' -- apparently in the end it all hinges on "trust us, we have this centralised framework being trustworthy and shit"... again. [22:55]
jurov mircea_popescu ...runs code for a third party...<< this is same problem as DRM, i.e. you meed to prevent hardware owner to mucking out with third party code [22:56]
mike_c BingoBoingo: here's your headline: "Army Research Office funds bitcoin price research" [22:56]
jurov and it isn't solved at all for such general purpose case [22:57]
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bounce it apparently start with openid. huh. [22:58]
BingoBoingo mike_c: Good one [22:58]
bounce s/start/&s/ [22:58]
mike_c from (retarded) mit paper: "This work was supported in part by NSF grants CMMI=1335155 and CNS-1161964, and by Army Research Office MURI Award W911NF-11-1-0036. [22:58]
bounce if you dig a little deeper, see if you can't find the list of NSF grant numbers known to originate at the NSA [22:59]
BingoBoingo Interesting [22:59]
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BingoBoingo [23:34]
BingoBoingo ^ mike_c [23:34]
mike_c hehe [23:34]
BingoBoingo Any obvious errors? [23:35]
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undata BingoBoingo: maybe they'll use their mood-manipulation research to get people to buy coin [23:36]
BingoBoingo Maybe? [23:36]
Apocalyptic for some reason kids going through bad school get this idea that a magnetic field is a sort of couch cushion // of course it's not, and nobody is contesting that. It just can made to have that sort of behaviour [23:36]
BingoBoingo [23:36]
bounce you auto-post to reddit? [23:38]
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BingoBoingo bounce: No, manul post, that way it isn't spamming [23:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00073592 = 25.61 BTC [+] {2} [23:40]
BingoBoingo Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites [23:41]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [23:41]
Apocalyptic nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. // this is true but of no help to the argument, since if you can predict the amplitude/frequency of the "earthquake", you can impose the same variations on the intensity of the current generating your magnetic field [23:42]
bounce that means you'd be amplifying the whole thing [23:42]
Apocalyptic hence making the object go up or down relatively to the magnetic support, nullifying the eartquake (again all this in theory) [23:43]
Apocalyptic well bounce for the sake of the argument let's take the magnetic field generated by a simple solenoid [23:43]
Apocalyptic its strength is linear in I [23:43]
Apocalyptic what is this "whole thing" you consider ? [23:44]
bounce sure you can build a magnetic dampener; things with antiphase and enough room to move and things [23:44]
Apocalyptic afaik that was the topic yes [23:44]
bounce that doesn't mean that a big large fixed magnetic field will magically cushion any and all vibration, which I understand was the point [23:44]
Apocalyptic bounce, never I have seen the word "fixed" [23:45]
bounce it was pretty much implied [23:45]
bounce "here, magnetic field. problem solved." -- nooo, not quite [23:45]
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mircea_popescu // of course it's not, and nobody is contesting that. It just can made to have that sort of behaviour << that depends. [23:48]
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mircea_popescu Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites << Male 195 Female 9 shit's funny. [23:50]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, quantcast also seems to think thestringpuller is invisible [23:51]
mircea_popescu its strength is linear in I << think about it. your field, want it or not, is a field. A field. [23:51]
mircea_popescu the movement of the underlying terrain, like it or not, is not uniform. [23:51]
mircea_popescu what are you going to do with one bick cock when confronted with ten thousand tiny microscopic cunts ? [23:52]
mircea_popescu it dun go. [23:52]
mircea_popescu you're gonna hope it averages out, but in practical reality you will have constructed a magnetic building toppler. [23:52]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, yeah, I assumed a simple, uniform, vertical translation as the movement [23:52]
mircea_popescu well ? [23:52]
mircea_popescu you can do the actual math involved, see the probability of your building ending up on the larger surface at the end of it all. [23:53]
Apocalyptic cause this all is "in theory" [23:53]
mircea_popescu it's mostly a function of its height and perimeter. [23:53]
mircea_popescu but it's not really a theory, more like a daydreaming, see ? [23:53]
mircea_popescu cause it doesn't properly account for the world, just for what the theorizer'd like. [23:53]
Apocalyptic indeed it does [23:54]
mircea_popescu which is how good theories are started, of course [23:54]
mircea_popescu but not what they actually are. [23:54]
Apocalyptic I was just merely showing a theoretical model where it does work [23:54]
mircea_popescu yeah i guess for a spherical vacuum earthquake it may help. [23:54]
BingoBoingo [23:55]
assbot Political Polarization & Media Habits | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project [23:55]
mircea_popescu who puts a dot in the url. [23:56]
bounce they're like, the next hot thing [23:56]
mircea_popescu is this some sort of new media, fuck up people's grepping ? [23:56]
BingoBoingo Awful people [23:56]
bounce used to be commas in urls were a thing [23:57]
mircea_popescu at least those aren't special chars in regex [23:57]
thickasthieves <@assbot> [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-] ------ what's a [U]? [23:57]
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