Forum logs for 22 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu thickasthieves apparently assbot had a little trouble coming back. [00:01]
cazalla morning, no hang over today and sun is shining [00:01]
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mircea_popescu [00:01]
assbot Bob Marley Sun Is Shining - YouTube [00:01]
thickasthieves does U mean something otherwise? [00:01]
kakobrekla unknown [00:01]
thickasthieves ah [00:01]
bounce apparently this "liberals" vs. "conservatives" thing has ameritardia thoroughly paralysed. [00:06]
mircea_popescu what is it even supposed to be anyway ? [00:08]
thickasthieves an excuse to do nothing but argue about doing nothing [00:08]
bounce oh hey, isn't that nice. instead of some js that'll popup a "[tweet] [fb]" thingy every time you select a bit of text, this here bunch has convenient prefab tweets with url and approved text that you but have to click on to tweet. [00:08]
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mircea_popescu im sure it's all the win in social media. [00:09]
undata bounce: regarding repub/dem... anyone with a shred of intelligence has seen through it; however, those two parties have too much control over the election process to change anything [00:09]
bounce railroading, the new driver of discourse [00:10]
mircea_popescu bounce you realise what excellent seo this all is. [00:10]
mircea_popescu like, if you were google, right ? wouldn't you be fucking impressed to see the same text from 50 profiles all the damned time ? [00:10]
bounce with complete identical text and everything. bit-for-bit copies. [00:10]
mircea_popescu "i know, let's pay bob from Consultancy DerpAces LLC a million funbux so he can write an AI expert system that'll generate the text our readers would have put out! Save them the trouble!" [00:11]
bounce I'm like, "anybody click on that?" but [like] is a rather popular button too, no matter where you find the little fucker [00:11]
mircea_popescu tbh one of the things i like most about qntra is that there's no god damned "social media integration" [00:12]
bounce obxref cowclicker, but webscale. [00:12]
* bounce has a bunch of that blocked in hosts, but they keep coming up with new SMRTness [00:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I assume people are perfectly capable of transporting urls to social media on their own. [00:13]
mircea_popescu bounce i just don't run js. does a lot. [00:13]
bounce ``The Pew Research Centeru2019s Journalism Project, founded in 1997 as the Project for Excellence in Journalism, seeks to assess the state of news and information in a changing society.'' -- that prefab tweet thing brought to you by these guys. party on! excellent! [00:14]
bounce must be an american shop. no sense of irony. [00:14]
mircea_popescu well they got this fake "irony" which is mostly badly done sarcasm [00:15]
mircea_popescu (ie, the lowest form of wit) [00:15]
bounce 1615 L Street, NW, Suite 700, washington, dc. there you go. [00:15]
thickasthieves omg this arguing for bits and ubits conversation makes me wanna line reddites and punch them one by one [00:15]
thickasthieves line up [00:15]
mircea_popescu bits and ubits ? [00:16]
bounce the kind of irony you get from that song [00:16]
Apocalyptic the name that should be given to 10^-8 BTC [00:16]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves you should watch Inside Llewyn Davis btw [00:16]
thickasthieves like the denomination [00:16]
thickasthieves ive seen it [00:16]
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mircea_popescu it's a cohen brothers film about the fate of the 1950s redditards. [00:16]
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mircea_popescu it's quite accurate, very scalable, a pleasure. [00:16]
kakobrekla test [00:16]
kakobrekla !b 1 [00:16]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic lmao the collection of nobodies are going to rename the satoshi ? [00:16]
thickasthieves the saddest part of the movie is nothing ever happens [00:17]
Apocalyptic it does seem they are trying at least [00:17]
mircea_popescu here's an idea, how about we have a poll in fucking uganda about what the us dollar should be called. [00:17]
mircea_popescu it's gonna be the ng'pula from now on. [00:17]
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mircea_popescu thickasthieves o you saw it ? [00:17]
BingoBoingo << Mobile Gaming [00:17]
assbot A Clash Of Clans Addiction Nearly Sank The Royals' Season [00:17]
bounce n!pula then please. no pansy ' shit [00:17]
mircea_popescu it's not sad, it's great. that's exactly it. nothing ever happens. [00:17]
thickasthieves yeah, i like the actor, and the premise [00:18]
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thickasthieves but felt a little wanting at the end [00:18]
thickasthieves i guess thats the point [00:18]
mircea_popescu i think the actor's an idiot that can't either act or sing, but that's okay : for one thing, so is timberlake. for the other : that's exactly the part. [00:18]
mircea_popescu like bridget fonda in jackie brown [00:18]
mircea_popescu that's exactly her job in life, being fucked in the ass for bubblegum and then shot in the stomach and left to bleed in a parking lot. [00:19]
thickasthieves lol alrighty then! [00:19]
thickasthieves yknow i felt the same way about jackie brown [00:19]
thickasthieves but i was a totally different person when i last watched it [00:19]
mircea_popescu that bridget fonda bitchlet fucking ruined city hall. [00:19]
mircea_popescu i'd have paid money to have the script altered so she gets run over by a bus. [00:20]
thickasthieves [00:26]
assbot Tech Tuesday - BitCoin - YouTube [00:26]
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thickasthieves includes chix saying bitcoin [00:26]
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mircea_popescu !up Buzhang [00:27]
-assbot- You voiced Buzhang for 30 minutes. [00:27]
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Buzhang hey! [00:27]
mircea_popescu ello [00:27]
thickasthieves [00:29]
assbot tecnologia - economia-digitale Corriere della Sera [00:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00073587 = 7.5795 BTC [-] [00:30]
[]bot Bet placed: 1.05424999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,397. [00:32]
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thickasthieves this MIT price prediction paper is such a cocktease [00:36]
Buzhang what is bitcoin [00:36]
thickasthieves it basically says more modelling would be requried to learn anything meaningful [00:37]
Azelphur Buzhang: it's a series of tubes. [00:37]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves mit paper "we need more money" news at [00:37]
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Buzhang !s kim kardashian [00:39]
assbot 14 results for 'kim kardashian' : [00:39]
thickasthieves !s kardassian [00:40]
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jurov mircea_popescu: even if second satoshi came and enable doing it safely, would you yourself lend your machines to the cloud for $0.01/hour (currently going price)? [00:40]
Buzhang !s * [00:40]
assbot Error - : [00:40]
Buzhang !s a [00:40]
assbot 103062 results for 'a' : [00:40]
kakobrekla !down Buzhang [00:40]
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cazalla [00:41]
assbot I'm Gavin Andresen And Welcome To Jackass | [00:41]
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Apocalyptic jurov, h [00:41]
Apocalyptic *what specs for this price ? [00:41]
jurov Apocalyptic doesn't matter. even if the machine may be beefy, it is unpredictably intermittent [00:42]
mircea_popescu jurov a) how is 0.01 an hour the current going price ? b) motherboard 50bux, cpu 100 bux, memory 50 bux, hdd 50 bux. don't need a monitor. [00:42]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.01 * 24 * 365 / 300 [00:43]
gribble 0.292 [00:43]
mircea_popescu seems a 29% yearly return is not the worst fate. [00:43]
jurov you forgot electricity :) [00:43]
mircea_popescu well yea, $0 is the currently going price for that [00:43]
mircea_popescu if we're making up numbers, why not/. [00:44]
Apocalyptic also to nitpick the prices you listed add up to $250n not $300 :) [00:44]
kakobrekla 4 [00:44]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic i felt generous. [00:44]
jurov and it's ballpark figure for spot instances, why would our price be vastly different? [00:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22118 @ 0.00073583 = 16.2751 BTC [-] {2} [00:44]
mircea_popescu jurov if you mean spot instances such as amazon or w/e, a) those come with riders and b) try and get a dedicated ip say. [00:45]
jurov a) is better and cheaper solved by distribution of $maxint mass produced boxen than relying on users to diy [00:46]
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mircea_popescu but this aside : yes if this existed i'd be using it pretty much exclusively [00:47]
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mircea_popescu much like i eat in restaurants or at home, no matter what mcdonalds charges [00:47]
mircea_popescu i have nfi even what it is they want for their crap. [00:47]
jurov imo whole idea would work better as customized electric heaters [00:47]
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jurov where you can control the whole machine [00:47]
mircea_popescu jurov you're missing the key point of it, which is, no government gets a say in what code runs. [00:47]
mircea_popescu this is something amazon can never provide. [00:47]
BingoBoingo %p [00:47]
atcbot >> No data returned from << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4830.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s [00:48]
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jurov waitwait... and how do you prevent govt being one of highest bidders? [00:49]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,351. [00:49]
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mircea_popescu << check it out, they managed to break the urls. [00:50]
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BingoBoingo %d [00:50]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 829656.26 in 1402 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 76.69 [00:50]
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cazalla Qntra has surpassed 100 posts btw [00:51]
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mircea_popescu yay. [00:51]
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jurov what can be done right now, maybe, platform for exchanging machines between DCs? [00:52]
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jurov as in, you can host spares for other services and vice versa to be switched quickly in case of ddos? [00:53]
jurov or peer-to-peer operated CDN? [00:53]
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jurov there is existent software for this, just some business mastermind to monetize it [00:54]
mike_c <+mircea_popescu> << check it out, they managed to break the urls. << bitbet has a broken url [00:54]
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mike_c there are
tags in the href
mircea_popescu oh. [00:55]
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jurov sup assbot? [00:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00073689 = 4.7161 BTC [+] [00:57]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.8359 BTC. Current weight: 62,167. [00:58]
kakobrekla jurov [00:59]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2014 20:59:10; *: kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot [00:59]
jurov and brain stays the same? [00:59]
kakobrekla ye [00:59]
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kakobrekla lol ok [01:16]
pete_dushenski << szabo [01:18]
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kakobrekla now only to cut the head off and we are done [01:19]
mod6 at least ur defibulator works [01:19]
kakobrekla :) [01:19]
kakobrekla also installed pacemaker [01:19]
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pete_dushenski "by breeding draft horses that ran on cultivated, nutrient-dense fodder, [Europe saw] substantially lowered transportation costs. This allowed the value of northwestern Europe's bulk transportation networks to radically increase and made it very nearly as inevitable that that region would be the pioneers of the industrial revolution." [01:20]
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BingoBoingo [01:20]
mod6 haha hopefully minus jvm [01:20]
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jurov u can make everyone else wet nao [01:33]
assbot Air umbrella by Air umbrella — Kickstarter [01:33]
jurov also, hair :/ [01:35]
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ben_vulpes code review, please: [01:41]
assbot anonymous's paste: 92123 [01:41]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes 0.5.3! [01:42]
ben_vulpes yup. [01:42]
pete_dushenski ilike. [01:43]
Apocalyptic regarding: "20 sed -i '/USE_UPNP:=0/d' ./makefile.unix", why not USE_UPNP:=- ? [01:44]
ben_vulpes rips out UPNP support. [01:44]
jurov ;;later tell othernubs` just make one big scroll. turing machine needs turing tape! [01:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:44]
Apocalyptic exactly, you want it ? [01:44]
ben_vulpes do I? [01:44]
ben_vulpes Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there. [01:46]
jurov disablewallet=1 would not work with 0.5.3 [01:46]
Apocalyptic well if you don't I don't see the point in the '0', [01:46]
Apocalyptic there is not [01:46]
ben_vulpes oh oh [01:46]
Apocalyptic but then just replace the '0' with a hyphen [01:46]
jurov also rpcpassword is required [01:47]
Apocalyptic nukes it straight away (and yes there actually is (or was) 3 levels for that var in the makefile, 1,0 and - ) [01:47]
cazalla that poker BRO breakout scam has raised 36.33 btc so far, they must be disappointed [01:47]
kakobrekla !s poker BRO [01:48]
assbot 1 results for 'poker BRO' : [01:48]
ben_vulpes Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1 [01:48]
cazalla !s brocoin [01:48]
assbot 0 results for 'brocoin' : [01:48]
ben_vulpes i want to compile without it. period. full stop. [01:48]
cazalla !s qntra poker [01:48]
assbot 0 results for 'qntra poker' : [01:48]
kakobrekla lol no luck cazalla ? [01:48]
cazalla i posted about it : [01:48]
jurov ben_vulpes: just read the makefile and try whatever sticks. i remmeber having to, too [01:48]
ben_vulpes well it builds quite happily. [01:49]
Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, aha, so i guess i mistook the hyphen for the empty char [01:49]
Apocalyptic anyway use "USE_UPNP=" to build without it [01:49]
ben_vulpes later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3 [01:49]
ben_vulpes so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? [01:49]
cazalla [01:50]
cazalla they give each person a different address to send btc for their bro, surprised they didn't pump up the numbers to make it look more popular than it is [01:50]
assbot Breakout Gaming Release BRO Coin Details | [01:50]
Apocalyptic so i'm not imagining it at least, heh [01:50]
Apocalyptic so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? // that i do not know, not a bash specialist [01:50]
kakobrekla ben_vulpes i assume theres a default value ? [01:50]
kakobrekla grep it [01:51]
ben_vulpes in the makefile? [01:51]
kakobrekla where theres any config? [01:51]
ben_vulpes i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen. [01:52]
mike_c ben_vulpes: i know in later version i had to explicitly set it blank [01:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26626 @ 0.00073574 = 19.5898 BTC [-] {3} [01:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00073689 = 23.6542 BTC [+] [02:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00074008 = 16.1337 BTC [+] {4} [02:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00073564 = 20.9657 BTC [-] {3} [02:27]
cazalla [02:29]
assbot KnCMiner To Cease Retail Sales, Sick Of Problematic Customers | [02:29]
TheNewDeal knc the new bfl? [02:29]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: But with moar Ikea furniture [02:30]
TheNewDeal or is that just too much of a stretch [02:30]
TheNewDeal oOo [02:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67478 @ 0.00073531 = 49.6172 BTC [-] {2} [02:34]
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TheNewDeal mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform? [02:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00073528 = 14.0438 BTC [-] [02:42]
pete_dushenski << the latest. [02:42]
assbot Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [02:42]
pete_dushenski jeff garzik made me do it. with a little nudge from Pierre_Rochard [02:43]
ben_vulpes updated with a blank assignation for UPNP: [02:47]
assbot anonymous's paste: 92126 [02:47]
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pete_dushenski << man those silberts crack me up. [02:56]
assbot The /yBitcoin fall guide has arrived! /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash [02:56]
pete_dushenski anyways, i'm out. cheers! [02:56]
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ben_vulpes later pete [02:57]
Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, "libqrencode-dev" is really needed for bitcoind 0.5.3 ? [02:58]
ben_vulpes oooh [02:58]
ben_vulpes no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6 [02:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12612 @ 0.00074036 = 9.3374 BTC [+] {2} [02:58]
ben_vulpes all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well [02:59]
ben_vulpes but baby steps [02:59]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: You need to get crypto functions from somewhere [02:59]
Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, otherwise it seems pretty reasonable [03:00]
ben_vulpes libqrencode-dev purged [03:00]
ben_vulpes build passes [03:00]
ben_vulpes well [03:01]
ben_vulpes compiler poops [03:01]
ben_vulpes no idea what's in the turd. [03:01]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Valgrind? [03:02]
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jurov ben_vulpes: paste it? [03:05]
ben_vulpes oh sorry, too much brevity. [03:05]
ben_vulpes the compiler poops a binary onto disk. [03:05]
jurov lol [03:05]
ben_vulpes i have no idea what's actually *in* the thing. [03:06]
Apocalyptic poops a binary onto disk without anything on stdout or stderr ? [03:07]
Apocalyptic what compiler is this [03:07]
ben_vulpes no, it makes sensible output. [03:07]
jurov make can be set up to be silent [03:07]
ben_vulpes i can paste for you. [03:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0007406 = 18.8112 BTC [+] {2} [03:07]
jurov i dont understand. it's not ./bitcoind but something other? [03:08]
Apocalyptic make can be set up to be silent // sure, everthing can be [03:08]
ben_vulpes no it's fine absolutely fine everything is fine [03:08]
ben_vulpes (as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be) [03:08]
jurov oh you drama queen [03:08]
Apocalyptic heh [03:08]
ben_vulpes jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently? [03:10]
ben_vulpes -f-stack-protector? [03:10]
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jurov oh that makes gcc to place a canary on the stack and crash if it's overwritten [03:11]
jurov *makes gcc to generate code to... [03:11]
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ben_vulpes ah k [03:11]
Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, have you read the HARDENING section in the makefile ? I think there is one from 0.6.2, not sure before [03:12]
ben_vulpes kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov [03:12]
ben_vulpes HARDENING=fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector [03:13]
ben_vulpes xCXXFLAGS=....$(HARDENING) [03:13]
jurov mkay [03:13]
jurov In gcc 4.9, the new option -fstack-protector-strong is supported. [03:14]
jurov but you should be fine [03:14]
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ben_vulpes 1 warning, but i think it's fine: [03:16]
assbot anonymous's paste: 92127 [03:16]
* ben_vulpes doesn't actually know c - the horror! [03:16]
jurov ah, nothig that could not be fixed by rm -rf / [03:21]
ben_vulpes rm -rf / solves all problems [03:21]
ben_vulpes look ma, problems? [03:21]
joecool i like rm -fr / [03:21]
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jurov "french cleaning" [03:21]
BingoBoingo i++ solves problems too... [03:21]
ben_vulpes ;;ud french cleaning [03:22]
gribble | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe". [03:22]
ben_vulpes pwahahaha [03:22]
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ben_vulpes can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet? [03:45]
jurov what is the "first coinbase"? [03:46]
ben_vulpes block zero [03:46]
ben_vulpes [03:47]
assbot Block 0 - Bitcoin Block Explorer [03:47]
ben_vulpes jan 3rd, 2009 [03:47]
ben_vulpes puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi [03:47]
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ben_vulpes say please and thank you [03:52]
cazalla [03:52]
assbot U.S. accidentally delivered weapons to the Islamic State by airdrop, militants say - The Washington Post [03:52]
KayTheFlower yay [03:52]
KayTheFlower ben_vulpes, thank you [03:52]
jurov ;;blocks [03:52]
gribble 326384 [03:52]
jurov ;;calc 326384/365/24/6 [03:53]
gribble 6.2097412481 [03:53]
ben_vulpes what d'you have for us, KayTheFlower? [03:53]
KayTheFlower idk [03:53]
jurov sixth year you heretic! [03:53]
jurov year has now 52560 blocks [03:53]
TheNewDeal asciilifeform how old are ye, if it's ok to ask? [03:54]
ben_vulpes ;;calc 2014 - 2009 [03:54]
gribble 5 [03:54]
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jurov ben_vulpes is weak in the faith [03:54]
Apocalyptic ben_vulpes, yeah, but you start at year 1 [03:54]
ben_vulpes "the first year" [03:55]
ben_vulpes year 0 [03:55]
ben_vulpes i don't think these are exclusive [03:55]
ben_vulpes gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now [03:56]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:56]
ben_vulpes foomazingh [03:56]
ben_vulpes fooamazingh [03:56]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:56]
ben_vulpes fooamazingh [03:56]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:56]
Apocalyptic they are not indeed [03:56]
ben_vulpes assbot must run on lisp machines [03:57]
ben_vulpes unhackable [03:57]
jurov 1 is the penultimate number [03:57]
Apocalyptic but it flaws your logic as has been demonstrated [03:57]
ben_vulpes ah jesus what happened to my maths [03:57]
jurov weak fith, as i said [03:58]
jurov *faith [03:58]
jurov repent! [03:58]
ben_vulpes i plead the fith [03:58]
BingoBoingo [03:59]
assbot Tweets over #TwitterTorLockout op Twitter. [03:59]
jurov [04:00]
assbot PORTFOLIO.HU | Hungary to impose Internet levy in 2015, tax plans show [04:00]
jurov about half euro/GB [04:01]
jurov such progressive [04:01]
Apocalyptic heh [04:01]
kakobrekla yea, is not so bad here in somalia [04:02]
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jurov the Internet tax is estimated to generate HUF 20 bn for the budget [04:04]
jurov ;;calc 20000000000/150 [04:04]
gribble 133333333.333 [04:04]
jurov 133 exabytes? [04:05]
Apocalyptic Orban is expecting the blocksize increase ofc [04:06]
kakobrekla log is back up and now works on a 30sec delay [04:06]
jurov to prevent naked boob sightings? [04:06]
kakobrekla its a different box [04:07]
kakobrekla also mirror coming possibly tomorrow [04:07]
BingoBoingo Beautiful [04:08]
kakobrekla or day after, ill be sorta away tomorro [04:08]
ben_vulpes oop kakobrekla making product mistakes [04:09]
ben_vulpes features [04:09]
ben_vulpes deadlines [04:09]
ben_vulpes commitments [04:09]
kakobrekla lol [04:09]
jurov kako ist the 0th bestest [04:09]
ben_vulpes no fith [04:09]
BingoBoingo condiments [04:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00074064 = 5.2585 BTC [+] [04:13]
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assbot Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze) [04:25]
decimation kakobrekla: where in somalia do you live? the mog? [04:25]
kakobrekla its actually slovenia. i write somalia so mp doesnt get confused. [04:26]
decimation lol [04:27]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: ~31 [04:28]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: why [04:28]
TheNewDeal just curious, was reading loper.os from 2009 and I'm trying to get an idea of author age [04:29]
jurov did you guess? [04:29]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: what was your guess? [04:30]
TheNewDeal ahhh I hadn't formatted a guess! [04:30]
TheNewDeal should have questioned before revealing the answer [04:30]
asciilifeform lol [04:30]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: asciilifeform is old enought to come to his Loper position out of actual bitterness rather than n00b kid delusion, but still young enough to hope he has the decades to realize them. [04:30]
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BingoBoingo My initial guess placed asciilifeform in his later 30's [04:30]
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asciilifeform i've had folks write in who guess 50s or even more. [04:31]
BingoBoingo I saw them in your comments [04:31]
jurov over two decades of such bitterness? hard to imagine [04:32]
decimation asciilifeform: you were probably born about 30 years late [04:32]
TheNewDeal I wouldnt have been suprised if you said 50 [04:32]
RagnarDanneskjol I'd bet 42-45 [04:32]
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ben_vulpes lol [04:33]
ben_vulpes guessing after the reveal [04:33]
ben_vulpes what is this, late bettor hour? [04:33]
RagnarDanneskjol ahh I missed it [04:33]
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asciilifeform i think someone even asked before [04:33]
kakobrekla RagnarDanneskjol no refund. [04:33]
RagnarDanneskjol ha [04:33]
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jurov hi othernubs` [04:35]
jurov got my torah suggestion? [04:36]
othernubs` asciilifeform, you want to include qt source code or leave it out? [04:36]
BingoBoingo !up reggiesells [04:36]
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othernubs` jurov, nod [04:36]
asciilifeform othernubs`: out [04:36]
mircea_popescu kay the flower ?! [04:36]
asciilifeform othernubs`: wait 0.6 is qt already [04:36]
BingoBoingo Wait, there's two nubs nao? [04:36]
asciilifeform ? [04:36]
jurov so, openssl stays in :DDDD [04:36]
othernubs` is there an easy way you can tag which files you'd like? [04:37]
asciilifeform mebbe we ought to do 0.1 ? [04:37]
othernubs` asciilifeform, there's a /src/qt/ anyway [04:37]
asciilifeform when exactly did the worthwhile patches end... [04:37]
* asciilifeform digs through notes [04:37]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe I recall wrong but I think the switch from wx widgets to Qt happened ~0.3.X-ish [04:37]
othernubs` [04:37]
kakobrekla if its for masturbation only, then prolly 0.1 is a better call [04:38]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: depends [04:38]
decimation it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it [04:38]
asciilifeform decimation: i think mircea_popescu does? [04:38]
kakobrekla decimation 'hardfork' != 'hard print' :) [04:39]
decimation does he? is there a repo? [04:39]
decimation heh [04:39]
* asciilifeform doesn't recall seeing it, possibly he never bothered publishing [04:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ? [04:39]
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ben_vulpes decimation: why 0.6? [04:44]
decimation ben_vulpes: I donno, I haven't looked into that in detail [04:44]
decimation I guess we want a version without idiotic patches [04:45]
asciilifeform which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes? [04:45]
* ben_vulpes digs through notes as well [04:45]
decimation that's a good question, and should be answerable. Don't the clients identify with a string? [04:45]
othernubs` asciilifeform, looks like /src/qt has been there since late september 2011 [04:46]
decimation it's not in 0.1 [04:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The earliest is going to probably be 0.4 or late 0.3.x series [04:47]
othernubs` 0.4.0 does not have qt, 0.5.0 does [04:48]
BingoBoingo patches to the bdb conf because... Hearn sucks [04:48]
othernubs` it was merged just before 0.4.1 [04:48]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to share your 0.6 patch set for the paper codex? [04:48]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:48]
ben_vulpes my 0.5.3 node hasn't barfed yet [04:48]
BingoBoingo othernubs`: qt not necessary to interact with majority of nodes [04:48]
othernubs` no, course not [04:48]
* asciilifeform never once in his life used the qt ver [04:49]
othernubs` you can build either bitcoin-qt or bitcoind with the same codebase [04:49]
othernubs` there's instructions for both [04:50]
othernubs` (see bitcoin-0.x.x/INSTALL) [04:50]
asciilifeform i'd sorta like all the gui-isms snipped [04:51]
* asciilifeform would do it himself but lazy, hence the impetus for the whole proposal [04:51]
decimation I like how the old releases are marked 'obsolete' [04:51]
othernubs` heh yeah [04:52]
ben_vulpes they're running out of levers to drive adoption otherwise [04:52]
othernubs` not deprecated ;p [04:52]
othernubs` OBSOLETE [04:52]
decimation which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated [04:52]
asciilifeform 'axe-time, sword-time, coming closer...' [04:53]
othernubs` 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer [04:54]
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decimation right but what percent of miners? [04:55]
decimation weighted by hash [04:55]
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decimation !up paxtoncamaro91 [04:55]
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decimation !up ukyo [04:56]
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decimation !up username0 [04:56]
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TheNewDeal ukyo [04:56]
asciilifeform [04:56]
assbot ClubOrlov: How to start a war and lose an empire [04:56]
othernubs` decimation, no idea [04:56]
asciilifeform '...Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much.' [04:56]
mod6 ben_vulpes: thanks for putting that script together. [04:56]
othernubs` you tell me! [04:56]
TheNewDeal like the bitfunder ukyo? [04:56]
ben_vulpes decimation: how would one ever know? [04:56]
ben_vulpes mod6: glad you like it! [04:56]
mod6 when it's ready are you gonna put it up on github or some place? [04:57]
decimation nothing other than voluntary disclosure I guess [04:57]
ben_vulpes what, is my personal site not adequate? [04:57]
ben_vulpes it's not meant for curl2sudo broheims [04:57]
mod6 it's fine im sure. i'll look for the link. just saw the paste from before. [04:57]
ben_vulpes hehe [04:57]
ben_vulpes yeah, take a look [04:57]
ben_vulpes i'd love your code review as well sir [04:57]
othernubs` decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats [04:58]
mod6 ok np. i'll take a look [04:58]
ben_vulpes i think its sanely factored. far more so than pankakke's obfuscated bash competition entry. [04:58]
BingoBoingo 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer << Occasional 0.8.x node may be considered polite in allowing certain SPV clients connectivity. [04:58]
othernubs` ah, heh. [04:59]
ben_vulpes occasional 0.5.3 node may advertise itself as 0.9 for reasons of camoflauge [04:59]
BingoBoingo othernubs`> decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats << Pool ops rarely run "stock" parts [04:59]
othernubs` ben_vulpes, but to what end [04:59]
ben_vulpes why so as to not get whacked [04:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074064 = 12.8131 BTC [+] [04:59]
ben_vulpes nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say [04:59]
asciilifeform now if only someone of actual consequence were willing to share what he actually uses... [05:00]
decimation X-Rob: you are a miner right? what client do you run? [05:01]
decimation " The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. " lol orlov [05:03]
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decimation don't tell me orlov is a 'truther' [05:03]
BingoBoingo [05:03]
assbot The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Norpocalypse [05:04]
BingoBoingo decimation: Well in the 80's Bin Laden was a CIA asset [05:04]
* asciilifeform doesn't buy even half of mr. bush & co.'s fairy tale either. [05:04]
othernubs` asciilifeform, you want the JSON code or no? i'd deem it crufty unless you particularly want it [05:06]
asciilifeform snipsnip. [05:06]
asciilifeform make sure result builds. [05:06]
othernubs` makefiles? [05:06]
asciilifeform yes [05:06]
decimation lol syntax highlight the m4 [05:06]
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asciilifeform result must not only build but actually function [05:06]
asciilifeform (e.g. multi-dest sends) [05:07]
mircea_popescu and now to logs. [05:07]
BingoBoingo othernubs`: What are your printing specs on this looking like? [05:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22525 @ 0.00073982 = 16.6644 BTC [-] [05:07]
mod6 any reason for deb 6 and not the latest? [05:08]
othernubs` BingoBoingo, i'm a few days away from even attempting to answer that [05:08]
BingoBoingo othernubs`: Mostly I'm just wondering about the sort of paper you are printing on. [05:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00073912 = 10.8281 BTC [-] [05:08]
ben_vulpes << ahahahaha [05:09]
assbot istib/helm-aws GitHub [05:09]
othernubs` probably Cougar 65lb white [05:09]
ben_vulpes now that just goes too goddamn far i tell you [05:09]
asciilifeform ideally this should be precisely the kind of paper found in the 1st edition of kernighan & ritchie's 'c'. [05:09]
ben_vulpes configuring instances by hand is not allowed, emacs or no [05:09]
othernubs` depends on final page count [05:09]
asciilifeform 1978. [05:09]
othernubs` asciilifeform, /src/test/* ? [05:09]
asciilifeform nope [05:10]
asciilifeform just the pieces necessary for function. [05:10]
othernubs` barest bones, IOW [05:10]
asciilifeform barest that can walk. [05:10]
othernubs` 50MB windows install [05:10]
asciilifeform lol, was it really? [05:10]
othernubs` lel jk [05:11]
decimation 65 pound paper is pretty heavy isn't it? [05:11]
othernubs` ah, i can only test osx compile [05:11]
othernubs` decimation, it's not bad for large sheets. thinner paper rips [05:11]
asciilifeform k&r paper. [05:12]
decimation yeah I could see that [05:12]
asciilifeform glossy, indestructible. [05:12]
othernubs` right now i'm thinking like folio size, that may change [05:12]
othernubs` k&r paper, hm [05:12]
asciilifeform fixed font only, if that needed saying [05:12]
othernubs` natch [05:12]
mod6 ben_vulpes: <+mod6> any reason for deb 6 and not the latest? [05:13]
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othernubs` you have a preference for thicker or thinner? [05:13]
othernubs` say terminal vs courier new [05:13]
ben_vulpes mod6: it's what was in production during that 0.5.3 release [05:13]
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mod6 ah. ok. [05:14]
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othernubs` asciilifeform, the library's closed, care to stab a guess at the paper weight in k&r? [05:14]
mod6 im gonna build up a vm of this and give your script a try: debian-6.0.10-amd64-CD-1.iso [05:15]
joecool i have a copy of that around, is there a way to test? [05:15]
* othernubs` shrugs helplessly [05:15]
ben_vulpes mod6: i'd be thrilled if you'd test it for me. i've been testing it against an amazon image, but more eyes etc etc etc [05:16]
ben_vulpes pull the latest from if you'd be so kind [05:16]
othernubs` you have any other paper of known make to compare it to? [05:16]
mod6 yup, found it over here: [05:17]
assbot Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze) [05:17]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform? << i have no idea. he said no. one of the guys he lists as associates was involved with it. [05:17]
TheNewDeal Gotcha, was curious why the connection was established [05:17]
mod6 so far, looks ok. im nazi about some spacing, but it looks functional ;) [05:17]
mod6 let you know more when I know more. [05:18]
* BingoBoingo thinks archival paper, /me thinks something like [05:18]
decimation ben_vulpes: that's a helpful blog (your summary of major changes) [05:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00073526 = 14.0802 BTC [-] {2} [05:19]
othernubs` Cougar is acid-free archival quality ;) [05:19]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal well it;s in the log, but anyway, guy goes "we're doing x with a b c and d". since b worked on x' 5 years ago and x' went nowhere after initial enthusiasm, a reasonable probing. [05:19]
mircea_popescu decimation innit. [05:19]
BingoBoingo glossy, indestructible. << long term problem with glossy paper is it tends to flake.. Not just ink, but white surface... [05:19]
TheNewDeal I am catching up the logs, which is why I brought it up [05:19]
mircea_popescu yeah maybe a good idea to use low acid paper [05:20]
decimation my good bible is printed on very thin but weirdly strong paper. thin paper is nice, in the sense that it tends to lie flat [05:20]
mircea_popescu decimation cotton paper. expensive. [05:21]
othernubs` BingoBoingo, asciilifeform the paper i've got in mind is almost precisely double the weight of standard white bond paper, acid-free, archival quality, semi-gloss finish, 98 brightness [05:21]
mod6 i can't believe that pinwheel said he was still gonna hard-fork in the AMA (thx for readers digest qntra) even after this: | I suspect that he reads trilema too. lollerskates. [05:21]
assbot USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:21]
decimation yeah it wasn't cheap [05:21]
othernubs` decimation, mircea_popescu bibles are like fine cigarette papers, made from rice [05:22]
mircea_popescu nah, it's cotton/linen [05:22]
mircea_popescu ;;google india paper [05:22]
gribble India paper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What is India Paper and How is it Used? - Desktop Publishing: ; India Paper: [05:22]
othernubs` brb [05:22]
BingoBoingo othernubs`: Ah [05:22]
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mircea_popescu mod6 the funny thign is that it'll fail, and he'll still bitch and pretend like he's involved in bitcoin [05:23]
mircea_popescu even after that [05:23]
mircea_popescu i mean, not like either him or hearn quit after the previous failed fork debacle. [05:23]
mircea_popescu and, exactly like described in the quoted thing, idiots and imbeciles on reddit will congratulate him for "having saved" bitcoin. [05:23]
mircea_popescu weird world, the us. [05:23]
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ben_vulpes mod6: let me know what style inputs you have [05:24]
mod6 yea! remember that?! he was all "NO ONE SEND ANY COINZ!!!111 ROLL BACK!" [05:24]
othernubs` india paper, how bout that!! [05:24]
TheNewDeal ping Ukyo [05:25]
ben_vulpes mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works" [05:25]
othernubs` anyway, OOTQ for this [05:25]
mircea_popescu othernubs` i was also briefly in publishing. [05:25]
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mod6 ben_vulpes: in the sense that "this looks like it works" :} [05:25]
othernubs` mircea_popescu, so you're spilling your seekrit code fork or what?! [05:26]
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mircea_popescu wait wut ? [05:26]
BingoBoingo !up moldysnizz [05:26]
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othernubs` check your ;;later tells [05:26]
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decimation it also has nice smith-sewn double binding with soft leather [05:26]
mircea_popescu oh. no, i've not published a bitcoin fork. [05:26]
othernubs` not yet [05:27]
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* BingoBoingo would like to see more books made of Tyvek and similar [05:27]
mircea_popescu the future's not ours to tell... [05:27]
mod6 the only fork should be rolling back to pre-powerranger derpitude. too bad about atc tho. [05:27]
othernubs` well, if a mysterious manuscript shows up here... [05:28]
othernubs` mod6, 0.3.19 is last "satoshi code" [05:28]
mod6 yeah, that was pre-DBD tho iirc. [05:28]
mod6 bah *BDB [05:28]
mircea_popescu lol @the silbert thing and generally bitpay's derpage. seriously, they think they're going to compete with us as a closed source usg-agent ? [05:29]
mircea_popescu jesus the things hard drugs do to people. [05:29]
othernubs` BingoBoingo, tyvek is possible with our setup, but golden-toilet-y [05:29]
BingoBoingo othernubs`: Just think of all of that longetivity though... [05:30]
othernubs` pro inks on acid-free paper lasts quite a while too [05:30]
BingoBoingo braille punched out of teflon seems super from a machine readable perspective too. [05:30]
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othernubs` tyvek would be great if you're installing it in an outdoor park [05:30]
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mod6 <+ben_vulpes> mod6: let me know what style inputs you have << once tested, will do! [05:31]
ben_vulpes functional inputs vastly more important though [05:31]
mod6 it's trivial. you'll lul [05:31]
joecool othernubs`: could you do a building wrap with it? [05:31]
BingoBoingo othernubs`: Well.. you gotta think centuries instead of decades [05:32]
mircea_popescu omfg hussling the nubbin! [05:32]
othernubs` BingoBoingo, almost sounds like you're footing the bill :) [05:32]
BingoBoingo othernubs`: Well if you get this set up I may eventually want a copy. [05:33]
mod6 me too [05:33]
mod6 plzkthx [05:33]
mod6 can you make one out of stone? [05:33]
* mod6 laughs [05:33]
mircea_popescu gribble: | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe". <<< actually, there's a special cannula procedure for this [05:34]
assbot Urban Dictionary: pipe cleaning [05:34]
ben_vulpes hussling? is this some odd mix of hassling and hustling? [05:34]
mircea_popescu ;;google Karman cannula [05:35]
gribble Karman cannula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Karman's cannula and vacuum aspirator in gynecological practice.: ; Flexible Karman Cannulae - HPSRx: [05:35]
othernubs` so if we're going with 0.6.0, i'm gonna need to know what's required and what's not for a minimum build [05:35]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no, it's the hustling of hussies. [05:35]
othernubs` if anyone's interested in being immortalized in the thank-yous, let me know [05:35]
mircea_popescu othernubs` sure, how's that go ? [05:36]
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ben_vulpes yeah i'll take free credit for no work [05:36]
othernubs` heh [05:37]
mircea_popescu I READ THE LOG!!! [05:37]
mircea_popescu hater. [05:37]
othernubs` no free lunch [05:37]
mircea_popescu othernubs` well ? [05:37]
othernubs` i want a list of files req'd to build a minimal working install [05:37]
othernubs` all the news that's fit to print and none that's not [05:38]
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mircea_popescu lmao @ hungary [05:39]
mircea_popescu everything thinks it's a country now. [05:39]
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asciilifeform othernubs`: see ubiquitous 'lions book' that we're imitating: [05:40]
asciilifeform othernubs`: can we lift font there? [05:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00073673 = 18.8603 BTC [+] {2} [05:41]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour? <<< asciilifeform will keep his bet now. [05:42]
othernubs` asciilifeform, yeah, no prob [05:42]
mircea_popescu decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it << quite. [05:43]
mircea_popescu and actually, i AM looking for binary maintainers for gentoo/debian(ubuntu)/windoze/etc for a bunch of code [05:43]
mircea_popescu namely, eulora, btc, there';s a lot of work to do, and it's paid. [05:43]
mircea_popescu so how about someone hit me up on it. [05:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pipe << popular in usa in certain circles, in the '70s, i'm told [05:44]
mircea_popescu after all, if usgavin wants a fork, he can have a fork, what's the big deal. [05:44]
mircea_popescu decimation: does he? is there a repo? << there's no repo. [05:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes? << last hard fork was to .4, so technically anything. but i'd say a .6 something'd be the best choice. [05:45]
mircea_popescu decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated << no. the name is bitcoin. [05:46]
mircea_popescu usgavin can make usbitcoin, or they can have gavin & mike's extra special bitcoin-identical flavouring "i can't believe it's not blockchain" [05:47]
decimation heh yeah that's legit. [05:47]
mircea_popescu but the notion that .9 is "bitcoin" is laughable on its face. [05:47]
decimation over time the distros will be convinced [05:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00074018 = 18.8746 BTC [+] {2} [05:47]
mircea_popescu what's next, bitcoin foundation is not a scam parasitizing this space but an actual representative ? [05:47]
othernubs` if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3 [05:47]
mircea_popescu there's not enough lsd in the world... [05:47]
mircea_popescu and if anyone wants to start a .6 mine, i'll chip in. [05:48]
mircea_popescu decimation: rightbut what percent of miners? << better q, what % of coinbase :p [05:49]
decimation heh [05:49]
othernubs` asciilifeform, v6.pdf appears to be using straight-up courier bold for code [05:49]
mircea_popescu you know, just like, "what % of gas station are selling the new gas ?" "dunno, but what % of cars use it ?" [05:50]
othernubs` we'll need to put a color name on this [05:50]
othernubs` the ____ book [05:50]
TheNewDeal mircea_popescu: there's not enough lsd in the world... << agreed [05:50]
asciilifeform !s triple power over the forces of hell [05:51]
assbot 1 results for 'triple power over the forces of hell' : [05:51]
mircea_popescu The Pink-Violet Book of Bitcoin ? [05:51]
othernubs` the blurple book [05:51]
mircea_popescu ahahhaha [05:51]
asciilifeform vomit book? [05:51]
othernubs` compact disc took most of the basic colors [05:51]
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mircea_popescu The True Book of Bitcoin [05:52]
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Apocalyptic if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3 // funny thing is, last commit on 0.6.3 is Jun 19, 2012 [05:52]
BingoBoingo compact disc took most of the basic colors << Oreilly and pick an animal [05:52]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin's Book of Jesus ? [05:52]
asciilifeform koraktor! [05:52]
othernubs` Apocalyptic, is that indeed funny? [05:52]
asciilifeform [05:53]
assbot Koraktor Wikipedia [05:53]
decimation theres the rainbow series from nsa [05:53]
BingoBoingo #21599 || publio || SELL 1.0 ATC @ 1000 Satoshi || None << Interesting [05:53]
Apocalyptic othernubs`, nevermind, was gonna compare to the last commit on 0.6.2 which somehow showed me to be in 2011 [05:53]
Apocalyptic which is nonsense [05:53]
othernubs` grey book sounds serious enough and is underutilized [05:53]
othernubs` but then the cover has to be grey [05:54]
Apocalyptic I guess 0.6.3 should be ok [05:54]
othernubs` it seems to be mostly mac bugfixes [05:54]
othernubs` okay, informal name and cover art decided [05:56]
othernubs` the rest should come together quickly [05:56]
othernubs` anyone got that file list yet? [05:56]
* asciilifeform surprised how much interest from folks who aren't him [05:56]
mircea_popescu it's 3 in the morning and the log is 500 lines ya buncha chatterboxes. [05:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're among friends. [05:56]
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othernubs` ^ [05:56]
mircea_popescu also, nubs had decent success with the posters iirc [05:56]
othernubs` yep, the forums would eat this book [05:57]
mircea_popescu which reminds me, The20YearIRCloud any renters yet ? [05:57]
asciilifeform who else, i wonder, wishes for one of these [05:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he's prollly going to sell a hundred, you kidding ? [05:57]
asciilifeform lol! [05:57]
asciilifeform noway [05:57]
mircea_popescu my bet is you'll end up with a free book and beer. [05:57]
* asciilifeform foretastes beer [05:57]
othernubs` are there any useful BIPs we're missing out on? [05:58]
mircea_popescu save it for the 2nd edition. [05:58]
mircea_popescu ;;ident othernubs` [05:58]
gribble Nick 'othernubs`', with hostmask 'othernubs`!', is identified as user 'othernubs`', with GPG key id F961A901022D2AFB, key fingerprint 66839483B86EB0955618740DF961A901022D2AFB, and bitcoin address None [05:58]
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mircea_popescu ugh. [05:59]
mircea_popescu what happened there again ? [05:59]
asciilifeform where'd they put nubbins` ? [05:59]
othernubs` heh [05:59]
othernubs` can't go copying keys between machines [05:59]
othernubs` ;;gettrust nubbins` othernubs` [05:59]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask othernubs`! Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014 [05:59]
TheNewDeal can you atleast give yourself a goddamn rating? [05:59]
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mircea_popescu aok [05:59]
mircea_popescu !up dtr [05:59]
Apocalyptic btw mircea, just had a chance to read the usgavin trilema piece, it's stunning [05:59]
-assbot- You voiced dtr for 30 minutes. [05:59]
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dtr hello [05:59]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic you know i got that from a number of ppl ? incl mpoe-pr [06:00]
mircea_popescu "gave me goosebumps it's so plainly vivid" she said [06:00]
Apocalyptic I saw her comment :) [06:00]
mircea_popescu dtr hi. who are you ? [06:00]
Apocalyptic oh that I didn't know [06:00]
othernubs` TheNewDeal, how do you think ive had +v all day ;D [06:00]
dtr i'm me, who are you [06:00]
TheNewDeal k, now give me one! [06:00]
mircea_popescu !down dtr [06:01]
mircea_popescu mkay. [06:01]
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-dtr- saw someone mention this chan on twitter.. that's it [06:01]
othernubs` so before i fully dive in here, is it worth asking what's the most recent acceptable version? [06:01]
mircea_popescu kinda what ben_vulpes' been working on neh ? [06:02]
othernubs` you'd be sad if you paid 1btc for a book that's got a shitty bug, or that's 1 release behind a major improvement [06:02]
othernubs` ben_vulpes, speaketh [06:02]
mircea_popescu the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine. [06:02]
mircea_popescu and a pencil can fix it. [06:02]
othernubs` [06:02]
assbot Bitcoin Core version history [06:02]
mircea_popescu anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? [06:03]
asciilifeform each of us, i suspect, has his own use for book. [06:03]
BingoBoingo the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine. << Wait, then what was the purpose again? [06:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo crack heads ? [06:03]
othernubs` 0.6.3 seems to be the winner [06:03]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: don't confuse this item with phil z's pgp book [06:03]
mircea_popescu ;;google and he smithen them with the holy bible [06:03]
gribble Chuck Smith :: The Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Part ... - Blue Letter Bible: ; Prophecies in the Bible about Joseph Smith - Ensign Jan. 1989 ...: ; Book of Mormon. A Scripture Testament of Jesus Christ | (1 more message) [06:03]
mod6 ben_vulpes's thing is gonna install 0.5.3 [06:03]
mod6 so maybe that version should be bumped up in there, unless I'm missing something. [06:03]
mircea_popescu or that. [06:04]
TheNewDeal RagnarDanneskjol how long back do these Azelphur logs go? [06:05]
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mircea_popescu im pretty sure he was here in the first days. [06:05]
othernubs` 0.6.0 initial network synchronization is 5x faster than 0.5.3 ;) [06:06]
asciilifeform wasn't irc sync phased out then ? [06:06]
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decimation "irc peer scanning disabled" in 0.6.0 [06:07]
othernubs` ^ [06:07]
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decimation according to Mr. Vulpes [06:07]
othernubs` and .org [06:08]
mircea_popescu it wasn't terribly useful by then. [06:08]
mircea_popescu it was crucial originally, to ensure against an at the time unknown nsa. [06:08]
othernubs` brb fresh air [06:08]
mircea_popescu meanwhile it proved worthlessly inept, so whatevs. [06:08]
asciilifeform unknown!? lolechelon [06:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform back in 2010 ? yeah. [06:09]
mircea_popescu nobody really knew if they're any good or not. [06:09]
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decimation sigh bitcoin uses boost [06:13]
asciilifeform didn't know this? [06:13]
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mircea_popescu "At that time the stakes weren't very high yet. There was much noise around a fellow named Magnitsky, a corporate lawyer-crook who got caught and died in pretrial custody. He had been holding items for some bigger Western crooks, who were, of course, never apprehended. The Americans chose to treat this as a human rights violation and responded with the so-called “Magnitsky Act” which sanctioned certain Russian indi [06:13]
mircea_popescu viduals who were labeled as human rights violators. Russian legislators responded with the “Dima Yakovlev Bill,” named after a Russian orphan adopted by Americans who killed him by leaving him in a locked car for nine hours. This bill banned American orphan-killing fiends from adopting any more Russian orphans. It all amounted to a silly bit of melodrama." [06:13]
mircea_popescu this guy is so fucking nuts. [06:13]
mircea_popescu seriously, that's what happened there ? o.O [06:13]
asciilifeform the public face of what happened [06:14]
asciilifeform more or less as described. [06:14]
mircea_popescu guy made some allegations of theft, fraud and embezzelment, died in custody without having been charged, a week before the one year (seriously ?!?!?!) term he could be held without trial. [06:15]
asciilifeform had problems. [06:15]
mircea_popescu reading orlov is like reading j. fest v2.0 [06:15]
asciilifeform ;;google ideas are soldiers [06:17]
gribble Care Packages For Soldiers: A Guide On What To Send: ; CARE PACKAGE IDEAS | Gathering 4 Soldiers: ; Carepackages for our Soldier on Pinterest: [06:17]
asciilifeform fail. [06:17]
mircea_popescu lmao [06:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform were you looking for "The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form." ? :D [06:17]
mircea_popescu that sounds about right. [06:17]
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asciilifeform aha [06:18]
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mircea_popescu seems the way current bureaucracies are interpreting the "ideas are soldiers" thing is very pedestrian seo : "narratives are soldiers" [06:19]
mircea_popescu well... narratives aren't soldiers, narratives are whores. substantially different. [06:20]
undata I hear a basket of american-flag cookies cures PTSD. [06:21]
mircea_popescu There were even some threats to cut Russia off from the SWIFT system, which would have made it quite difficult to transfer funds between Russia and the West, but what these threats did instead was to give Russia the impetus to introduce its own RUSSWIFT system, which will include even Iran, neutralizing future American efforts at imposing financial restrictions. [06:21]
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mircea_popescu this, by the way, is factual, and incalculably fucking stupid. [06:21]
asciilifeform undata: with or without wagner/cyanide ? [06:21]
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undata asciilifeform: no no, a kid rock album and beer. [06:21]
decimation mircea_popescu: stupid on whose part? [06:21]
undata how unamerican [06:21]
othernubs` asciilifeform, include INSTALL, README, doc/*, locale/*? [06:21]
asciilifeform zapzapzap [06:21]
mircea_popescu decimation the us. it literally killed aml bs. [06:21]
asciilifeform anyone care to see the turdlets in? [06:22]
othernubs` COPYING is required, and i'd suggest including doc/build-*.txt [06:22]
mircea_popescu i can now leisurely transfer moneyz from washington to tehran, just hop it off swift into russwift via the national network in any of two dozen different sattelite states. [06:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even plausible that usg permitted this to avoid hastening axe-time, sword-time, bitcoin-time [06:24]
othernubs` actually i may include doc/* as an addendum, it's only a few single pages [06:24]
asciilifeform crapolade - in, aye, as appendices [06:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah well, anything's plausible, but unforced mistakes are still stupid. [06:24]
decimation european banks hate aml because of the shit they have to go through for us clients [06:24]
mircea_popescu just, you know, us bureaucrats do not manage to comprehend they're nobody and need to stfu when actual people are talking. [06:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.00073744 = 9.2895 BTC [-] [06:25]
asciilifeform organisms with simple nervous systems, they are; while on the correct side of the tinted glass, will continue to think they are 'someone.' [06:25]
mircea_popescu there is no correct side of tinted glass. [06:26]
mircea_popescu once there's tinted glass, the war was lost. [06:26]
decimation somehow ever since the late 70's and early 80's when the aml stuff was made law, usg has gotten used to the idea that it can just make transacting money illegal as it wills [06:26]
asciilifeform correct side, conventionally, is the one with the chixxors & coke, rather than fleas and reddit [06:27]
BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/p2sdfkdazwigmabfmrzr.gif [06:27]
mircea_popescu decimation nothing's as readily persuasive as a mistake. [06:27]
decimation the problem is that it kinda worked for the backwater Caribbean drug runners it was intended to hurt [06:29]
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decimation but in 1980 usg was a net trade creditor to the world [06:31]
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mircea_popescu you recall chinese products in 1980 ? [06:32]
decimation they were shit, plastic gimmicks [06:32]
mircea_popescu so then. [06:32]
mircea_popescu yes, 1980 was before "everyone goes to college" and before "we'll outsource" and before all the rest of the crap. [06:32]
decimation now the us runs a net trade deficit of >500$bn per year [06:32]
mircea_popescu you mean 900 [06:32]
mircea_popescu or was 900 the fiscal deficit [06:33]
decimation [06:33]
assbot Foreign trade of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:33]
mike_c BingoBoingo: whoa. that looks disastrous at first [06:33]
mircea_popescu yeah, 900bn is the us budget shortfall [06:33]
decimation right, and of course these are only 'cashflow' numbers, not debt on the books [06:34]
undata 17.8 trillion total debt [06:35]
decimation depending on how you count there are about $100-$250 trillion in outstanding liabilities [06:35]
assbot U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time [06:35]
mircea_popescu "You'd think that Obama has already overplayed his hand, and should behave accordingly. His popularity at home is roughly the inverse of Putin's, which is to say, Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much. He can't get anything at all done, no matter how pointless or futile, and his efforts to date, at home and abroad, have been pretty much a disaster. So what does this social worker turned national masco [06:35]
mircea_popescu t decide to do?" <<< ahahaah epic. [06:35]
undata and they have a fiddly definition of what counts as debt [06:35]
mircea_popescu dude, trust the enemy to give true to life portraits, it always works. [06:35]
mircea_popescu decimation nah, there's practically infinity outstanding. [06:36]
decimation right, like liberia saving to buy whatsapp [06:36]
mircea_popescu this for a number of reasons, chief among which : the reported figures doesn't and hasn't for decades included all sorts of figures. [06:36]
undata [06:36]
assbot You Think The Deficit Is Bad? Federal Unfunded Liabilities Exceed $127 Trillion - Forbes [06:36]
mircea_popescu more importantly : if the various cds, swaps and futures unwind, that's a notional .5 to 100 quadrillion dollars gone [06:36]
decimation all of which are implicitly on usg's books, because too big to fail [06:37]
mircea_popescu exactly. [06:37]
asciilifeform at certain point, there is a phase change, and the debt is repayable only in: meat. [06:37]
mircea_popescu so quantifying it is pointless. it's never getting paid anyway. [06:37]
mircea_popescu like trying to evaluate the weight of the stone around a man's neck who's chained to the castle wall. [06:37]
mircea_popescu well, there's the castle, and the rock upon which it rests, and the province in which the rock lies... [06:37]
asciilifeform this is precisely what i mean when i say that one thing or another costs $maxint [06:38]
asciilifeform meaning, rigorously, that for all valid machine ints i, i <= $maxint [06:38]
asciilifeform 'Full fathom five thy father lies; of his bones are coral made; those are pearls that were his eyes...' [06:40]
* undata looks at the 11 dollar bill on his desk from the IRS [06:42]
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undata yeah... that'll help [06:42]
mircea_popescu "For example, it is known that after the end of World War II America's military planners were thinking of launching a nuclear strike against the USSR, and the only thing that held them back was the fact that they didn't have enough bombs, meaning that Russia would have taken over all of Europe before the effects of the nuclear strikes could have deterred them from doing so (Russia had no nuclear weapons at the time, bu [06:42]
mircea_popescu t lots of conventional forces right in the heart of Europe)." [06:42]
asciilifeform donate btc for ze war effort! [06:42]
mircea_popescu this is total bs lol. [06:42]
mircea_popescu patton wanted to keep going. nobody else did. [06:43]
decimation so did most of the captured germans [06:43]
asciilifeform dulles [06:43]
mod6 ben_vulpes: [06:44]
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undata mod6: you need more sources in your sources.list [06:45]
mircea_popescu the Federal Reserve is fresh out of magic bullets and faces a choice between crashing the stock market and crashing the bond market. << this is exactly correct by the way. [06:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can tell me anything you wish, but he IS a kgb puppet. there's just no way he could have figured this one on his own. [06:46]
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mod6 perhaps the script should throw a line in /etc/apt/sources.list [06:46]
mircea_popescu it's correct, but too valuable for him. he was given notes. [06:46]
undata mod6: [06:47]
assbot Debian Sources List Generator [06:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no need for muppetry, i get same notes from ru armchair generals [06:47]
undata mod6: nah that wouldn't be general across distros [06:47]
mircea_popescu anyway, anyone want to bet on whether the stock or the bond market will take it in the ass ? thatr's the major debate in washnington atm. stocks are basically the young libtards, bonds the old ones. [06:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but i have about the same amount of use for the information as a chimp does for pentium [06:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anything can be obtained from "the internet". obviously. knowing what to obtain however... [06:48]
asciilifeform gotta speak languages. [06:48]
asciilifeform at minumum! [06:48]
asciilifeform *min [06:48]
mircea_popescu even so. [06:48]
mircea_popescu he doesn't have the specific knowledge ot discern. [06:48]
asciilifeform the folks in his wot - do. [06:49]
TheNewDeal << check it out, they managed to break the urls. <<< happened a month earlier as well, no one bitched [06:49]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December :: 2.03 B (10%) on Yes, 17.33 B (90%) on No | closed 3 hours 46 minutes ago [06:49]
assbot BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 3 days 3 hours ago [06:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, fwiw, i'm convinced, he's gotta be. [06:49]
asciilifeform also if i recall he did a tour of duty in u.s. finance derpatronics industry [06:49]
asciilifeform and has contacts there. [06:49]
mircea_popescu as plausible as all that may be... [06:49]
asciilifeform if mr o is shilling, he's an uncommonly frugal and ascetic shill. [06:50]
mircea_popescu w. joyce was not particularly luxurious for that matter. [06:52]
decimation mircea_popescu: it strikes me that if rates are hiked both stocks and bonds would take a hit [06:52]
mircea_popescu decimation nah, they still have the ability to choose one. [06:53]
decimation well, I guess the law of bankruptcy handed down from the ancients is that debt is senior to equity [06:53]
mircea_popescu it's not a matter of bankruptcy anyway. so debt is senior to equity, facebook implodes leaving a 60 bn hole, what's going to be sold ? watsapp ? [06:54]
decimation heh yeah [06:55]
decimation and google space [06:55]
mircea_popescu five bux, which is a gross estimate of its actual net worth, won't make a difference. [06:55]
mircea_popescu no, the solution is purely monetary. [06:55]
decimation to paraphrase mr. yarvin, every asset must pass through the bitcoin-hole [06:56]
mod6 [06:56]
assbot dpaste: 00YBNXZ [06:56]
mircea_popescu Financially, Russia's position is so solid that even the three Western credit ratings agencies don't have the gall to downgrade Russia's rating, sanctions notwithstanding. This is a country that is aggressively paying down its foreign debt, is running a record-high budget surplus, has a positive balance of payments, is piling up physical gold reserves, and not a month goes by that it doesn't sign a major international [06:56]
mircea_popescu trade deal (that circumvents the US dollar). In comparison, the US is a dead man walking: unless it can continue rolling over trillions of dollars in short-term debt every month at record-low interest rates, it won't be able to pay the interest on its debt or its bills. [06:56]
mircea_popescu this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse. [06:56]
mircea_popescu which is actually the major bargaining chip with the eu, not stupid produce import bans [06:56]
mircea_popescu half a point could be enough. [06:57]
decimation yeah it was the sane move. russia has a sad economy but enormous natural reserves, they should price their money like kuwait [06:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074064 = 7.5545 BTC [+] {2} [06:57]
mircea_popescu it's not THAT sad, not anymore. [06:57]
mircea_popescu russia moved from 1990 to 2010 about as much as china moved from 1980 to 2005. [06:58]
decimation for awhile they were under Portugal [06:58]
mircea_popescu see, these things happen but don't last. [06:58]
mircea_popescu romania was for a while on par with somalia. [06:58]
mircea_popescu but romania is white people, and somalia is black people. [06:58]
kakobrekla nah [06:58]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla not that somalia, the other somalia. [06:59]
kakobrekla a. [06:59]
Apocalyptic heh [06:59]
decimation lol. yeah according to idiowiki they are about #8 [07:00]
assbot List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [07:00]
mircea_popescu this is no figure of speech either. in 1992ish, plenty of romanians working for the state made ~1.20 dollars a day [07:00]
decimation russia has lots of white people and lots of resources, asians too [07:01]
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ben_vulpes ben_vulpes, speaketh << nothing strictly necessary post 0.5.3 [07:07]
asciilifeform 1.20 dollars a day << ehehehe - no. not comparable figure with usa 1.20/diem. ro didn't have to pay rent, had no ruinous tax, cheap non-synthetic food even in the depths of collapse [07:08]
asciilifeform no mandatory cars to maintain [07:08]
ben_vulpes although let's be clear, i was just browsing the release notes. if there were breaking changes merged in since then, this'd be a lulzy way to surface them. [07:08]
asciilifeform no confiscatory 'health care' ripoff [07:08]
asciilifeform i could go on. [07:08]
ben_vulpes anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3 [07:08]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: let's put another way, lowest version you would be willing to use for daily life. [07:09]
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TheNewDeal 0.6.3 is? [07:10]
ben_vulpes i'm transitioning backwards asciilifeform [07:10]
ben_vulpes i still depend on the qt client. need to come up with a workflow that works for the 0.5.3 client. [07:11]
ben_vulpes but i don't see any roadblocks at this time. [07:11]
asciilifeform i never really grasped what the gui was for [07:11]
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asciilifeform even winblows user could handily pop the dos shell and 'bitcoind sendtoaddress .....' [07:12]
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ben_vulpes well, consider all the things i've been unlearning [07:12]
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ben_vulpes you: grew up on lisp machine lore [07:12]
asciilifeform nah [07:13]
asciilifeform dug it up after uni [07:13]
asciilifeform not even during. [07:13]
ben_vulpes i: solved quadratics by hand because programming solvers was taught to me to be cheating [07:13]
* asciilifeform also solved quadratics by hand because programming is a cheat [07:13]
ben_vulpes constraint problems, too? [07:13]
asciilifeform ruler, pencil [07:14]
asciilifeform not so odd. [07:14]
ben_vulpes not at all [07:14]
ben_vulpes but when you're taught that the right solution to all problems is to do it by hand, with the tools handed one by authority, unlearning that is hard [07:15]
ben_vulpes ergo, qt. at first, at least. [07:15]
asciilifeform this seems like a bind until you realize that what is taught now is 'solve with unicorn tears, milked out of your arse' [07:15]
mod6 ben_vulpes: so the main issue was the deps so far. i went to the deb site and it gave me some to add to the sources.list, but didn't seem to help. i can try something different tomorrow if you have suggestions. [07:15]
ben_vulpes mod6: which deps? [07:16]
othernubs` so we'll split the difference between 0.5.3 and 0.6.3, go with 0.5.8 [07:16]
othernubs` ;p [07:17]
mod6 it's in the pastes. [07:17]
ben_vulpes aok [07:17]
* asciilifeform still puzzled that mircea_popescu won't pick a favourite here [07:17]
asciilifeform what's in his patches anyway. [07:17]
asciilifeform death ray plugin support? [07:18]
othernubs` maybe we start with defining what's in current that we don't want [07:18]
asciilifeform next we become great sculptors. we buy a mountain of marble, and decide what's in there that we don't want. [07:18]
ben_vulpes molding bullets... [07:19]
othernubs` heh [07:20]
ben_vulpes qt gets cut [07:20]
othernubs` well, bv says 0.5.3 is minimum that will work [07:20]
ben_vulpes wallet retardation gets cut or reimplemented non retardedly [07:21]
asciilifeform no cuts without which won't fly. [07:21]
asciilifeform picture it's being sent to the past, for your ascension to godhood [07:22]
othernubs` publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job [07:22]
ben_vulpes oh sorry [07:22]
ben_vulpes nubbins i was just opining [07:22]
ben_vulpes ! [07:22]
ben_vulpes also also also also [07:22]
ben_vulpes getting command line functionality on os x has been a headache every time i tried it [07:23]
ben_vulpes another reason this damn platform's doomed [07:23]
asciilifeform wat. [07:23]
asciilifeform i thought it had normal posix [07:23]
othernubs` ^ [07:23]
* asciilifeform owns one of these, treats it as a mildly retarded linux box with defective wm [07:23]
* asciilifeform blows dust off mac [07:24]
* ben_vulpes tries it again [07:24]
* asciilifeform begins to wonder if this escapade will end with him maintaining in some dark cloister, for food and water [07:25]
othernubs` install yr updates [07:26]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what release are you targeting? [07:26]
asciilifeform that was the whole enigma [07:26]
othernubs` that's the question [07:26]
ben_vulpes i'm going for 0.5.3 [07:26]
asciilifeform somebody mentioned slow sync [07:26]
othernubs` let's use 0.9 [07:27]
ben_vulpes slow sync, myriad crapolade [07:27]
asciilifeform i was originally gonna ask for 0.1 [07:27]
* ben_vulpes digs spare hdd out of closet for aux blockchain [07:27]
othernubs` let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce [07:27]
mircea_popescu anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3 << ok, so 5.4 [07:28]
mircea_popescu 5.3* [07:28]
othernubs` isanyone [07:29]
othernubs` anyone able to express succinctly yet accurately why current release isn't okay? [07:29]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: care to drop even a small hint of what you're using? gizmo of own authorship? it isn't like you keep it hotwalleted, anyway [07:29]
Apocalyptic othernubs`, you're seriously suggesting using the "current" release ? [07:30]
othernubs` he creates raw tx using node.js script and sends to network via broadcast [07:30]
asciilifeform using soviet mk-61 calculator. [07:30]
mircea_popescu publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job <<< nubsy has antennae, and they're tuned for danger! [07:30]
Apocalyptic what's the issue with 0.5.3 ? [07:30]
othernubs` Apocalyptic, i'm attempting to guide the conversation towards stating what is and isn't desired in the codebase [07:30]
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asciilifeform othernubs`: picture if you were sending the damn thing back in time, to blaise p. for implementation on a gigantic Pascaline, or herr babbage, etc [07:31]
othernubs` ostensibly later versions have more bugfixes and improvements but also more cruft and potentially introduced attack vectors [07:31]
mircea_popescu othernubs` you'll never get there. but anyway : 0.6.3 most recent acceptable ; 0.5.3 i guess, earliest acceptable. [07:32]
mircea_popescu pick among these according to which bias (early, late) you want [07:32]
* asciilifeform always imagined that a pascaline ought really to be something akin to a guillotine [07:32]
asciilifeform pick among << smallest! [07:32]
asciilifeform easy. [07:32]
mircea_popescu then .5.3 [07:32]
mircea_popescu also easy. [07:32]
mircea_popescu how the fuck it is code never shrinks ? [07:32]
asciilifeform mine does. [07:33]
othernubs` feature spook [07:33]
asciilifeform and herr dr moldbuggr claims that he does [07:33]
asciilifeform ;;google kelvin versioning [07:33]
gribble Moron Lab: January 2010: ; wintersmith-kelvin - npm: ; Software Installation & System Requirements | Kelvin TOP-SET ...: [07:33]
asciilifeform that. [07:33]
mod6 so .6.3 fixes this: [07:33]
assbot CVE -CVE-2012-3789 [07:33]
othernubs` .7 prob fixes something else serious [07:33]
asciilifeform lol they assign cve for unknown gotcha through unknown mechanism!!? [07:34]
mircea_popescu 0.5.6rc3 works [07:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform remember this suspicion for later. [07:34]
asciilifeform 'the doctor saved the patient's ear, but did pluck out his eye i fear' [07:34]
mod6 ascii: lol i guess so [07:34]
othernubs` " and 0.6.x before 0.6.3rc1" [07:34]
othernubs` so 0.6.3 affected [07:35]
othernubs` wait, no. [07:35]
Apocalyptic it's the other way around heh [07:35]
mod6 also .6.2 fixes some portability issues apparently (FreeBSD): [07:35]
assbot Bitcoin-Qt version 0.6.2 released [07:35]
Apocalyptic that isn't critical imo [07:35]
mod6 just putting it out there. [07:35]
asciilifeform this thing won't need bdb crapolade where it's going. [07:36]
asciilifeform but all the semantics of original must be preserved, to begin. [07:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and check out the cve link for details, going straight to an unmaintained dump page. [07:36]
mircea_popescu pretty funny behaviour huh. [07:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: typical, actually [07:36]
mircea_popescu no idea who/what it's supposed to help [07:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: incidentally, you probably know who 'mitre' is a shill for. [07:37]
mircea_popescu no idea. [07:37]
asciilifeform ahahaha [07:37]
asciilifeform 'nonprofit' that's 99% dhs, dod, nsa by weight [07:37]
mircea_popescu MITRE Partners with University System of Maryland to Operate New Cybersecurity R&D Center for the National Institute of Standards and Technology ? [07:37]
asciilifeform right here in town, yes [07:38]
mircea_popescu hey, more power to 'em. [07:38]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski << tell garzik i said they missed the boat. [07:39]
assbot The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:39]
mircea_popescu a billion short a year late ? heh. [07:40]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu lol will do. i remember that article well. [07:40]
pete_dushenski please to leave comment perhaps? [07:40]
mircea_popescu a quarter bn in 2014 ? seriously ? all into shit ? [07:40]
mircea_popescu he's gotta be kidding. [07:40]
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mircea_popescu my twitter's dead and i don't feel like social media anyway [07:41]
pete_dushenski i meant on the blog.. but i see where you're going. i'll drop him a twit. [07:41]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what in place of bdb? [07:42]
mircea_popescu seems kinda redundant/spammy. next time. [07:42]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: now is not the time, i actually suggested the project not imagining it would be picked up so quickly [07:42]
pete_dushenski mmok. [07:42]
asciilifeform i kinda want this for 6-9 mo. from now [07:43]
ben_vulpes i ain't picking up shit [07:43]
ben_vulpes just curious [07:43]
asciilifeform othernubs` picked up [07:43]
ben_vulpes ah. [07:43]
othernubs` ball, meet rotational displacement [07:45]
artifexd how the fuck it is code never shrinks ? << Code does shrink sometimes. But not due to concentration on features or bugs. If it happens, it happens because the developer grows and improves. One of my favorite days was deleting 60k lines of code that I had written and replacing it with 100 lines. Simpler. Faster. Easier to understand. [07:47]
mircea_popescu !s 50 mn [07:47]
assbot 3 results for '50 mn' : [07:47]
undata artifexd: it takes willingness to admit one's own stupidity [07:47]
asciilifeform code shrinks when a great fire is lit and all things that are vile and repugnant to the righteous are consumed in the flames. [07:47]
asciilifeform as it screams, its sins are expurgated [07:48]
asciilifeform !s best machine is no machine [07:49]
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asciilifeform 'the tastiest fish in all the seas is called kolbasa [sausage]' -- my grandfather [07:50]
othernubs` i have a turkey kolbasa in the fridge [07:52]
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ben_vulpes i am considering bisecting the codebase for building on os x [08:00]
ben_vulpes i also think that building on os x is a bad idea [08:00]
ben_vulpes this is where docker starts coming in handy: instead of burning many hours on chasing down platform and architecture details to get the thing to work on os x, i'm leaning towards just running 0.5.3 in a VM. [08:01]
ben_vulpes 0.5.6rc3 works << enhanced sync speed? [08:02]
mircea_popescu doubt it. [08:02]
mircea_popescu but you don't want it to sync anyway, just feed it a preindexed chain. [08:03]
asciilifeform preindexed by what? [08:06]
ben_vulpes $ cp ~/.bitcoin ~/.bitcoin-test && ./ancient-bitcoind -datadir ~/.bitcoin-test ? [08:06]
ben_vulpes surely it's not that easy [08:06]
asciilifeform gotta sync [08:07]
asciilifeform picture it being sent to earth of the recent past, that had all but bitcoin. [08:07]
ben_vulpes your book, sure. [08:07]
TheNewDeal cant you download a torrent? [08:07]
asciilifeform torrent produced by what? [08:08]
asciilifeform and does it result in a new torrent, modified? [08:08]
TheNewDeal I've just seen up to block 315k on tpb, but wasn't sure what the file format was [08:08]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you got no pre-hearn blockchain ? [08:08]
asciilifeform what's with this pecular preoccupation with strange half-bitcoins [08:08]
ben_vulpes no sir [08:09]
ben_vulpes check my arrival date in -assets [08:09]
mircea_popescu am i the only one ?! [08:09]
ben_vulpes quite likely. [08:09]
asciilifeform pre-hearn - what date [08:09]
mircea_popescu o.O [08:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pre 7 [08:09]
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asciilifeform i've one going since 2011 [08:10]
asciilifeform for whatever it's worth [08:10]
mircea_popescu about 30gb it's worth lol [08:10]
* asciilifeform thought blockchain was one for all of us, 'like victory' [08:10]
mircea_popescu it is, substantially, but it's indexed differently for the latecomers. [08:11]
asciilifeform any semantics not preserved ? [08:12]
mircea_popescu well, bdb stuff. [08:12]
mircea_popescu and i imagine they probably did all the shitting they can [08:12]
mircea_popescu how do you make a torrent anyway ? [08:12]
ben_vulpes << mthreat wouldja be so kind as to expand how far back the search goes? [08:14]
assbot Error - [08:14]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i suppose "first otc rating" would be better way to go about it no ? [08:15]
ben_vulpes hm [08:15]
ben_vulpes well, first words in -assets as proxy for initial blockchain dl [08:15]
asciilifeform eh, i suspect that many of us had one long before other [08:16]
othernubs` well, i'm gonna sleep on it [08:16]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes anyway, i'll pass you a signed tarball tomorrow ? [08:16]
othernubs` nite [08:16]
mircea_popescu or what are your goals here. [08:16]
* ben_vulpes thinks [08:17]
ben_vulpes none that can't wait for the morrow [08:18]
mircea_popescu the ideal way would be for you to let the thing sync naturally [08:18]
ben_vulpes i agree, yeah. [08:18]
mircea_popescu it'll take a few weeks, but what's the rush, and this way you get an authenti ccopy. [08:18]
ben_vulpes mhm precisely. [08:18]
ben_vulpes i'm not concerned about the speed nearly as much as i am the thing working correctly with the network. [08:18]
mircea_popescu so then nm, let it buzz. [08:19]
ben_vulpes although if you'd be willing to share your tarball and a version number against which i could build that might show some interesting things on a block-by-block diffing [08:19]
mircea_popescu there is one caveat, specifically, that you must make a file named DB_CONFIG that contains a set_lg_dir database set_lk_max_locks 500000 [08:19]
mircea_popescu or else it'll die once it reaches end of 2013 [08:20]
mircea_popescu im not running stock, and what would it show ? [08:20]
mircea_popescu the client doesn't keep "blocks" exactly, it's messier [08:20]
ben_vulpes right. [08:20]
ben_vulpes so every blockchain could be a snowflake. [08:20]
mircea_popescu notrly, cause we know what's in the zero block [08:21]
mircea_popescu but every actual blockchain download is a snowflake [08:21]
ben_vulpes i'm thinking in terms of bits on disk [08:21]
mircea_popescu you can't mix and match blkxxxx from one install with another's. [08:21]
ben_vulpes but if you supply the entire datadir, you can boot one install with another's blockchain? [08:22]
ben_vulpes provided set_lk_max_locks type configs are in place? [08:22]
mircea_popescu yup. [08:23]
ben_vulpes hm. [08:23]
mircea_popescu the whole set of xxxx's and blkindex.dat [08:23]
ben_vulpes this has been educational indeed. [08:23]
mircea_popescu course, you would be relying on the verification done by the op [08:23]
ben_vulpes mhm. [08:23]
mircea_popescu but i have bootstrapped new nodes in this way [08:23]
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mircea_popescu (it's actually the point of the torrent palliative back in the day) [08:23]
ben_vulpes should la serenissima publish a torrent? [08:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, to be perfectly fair : the bdb arrangement wasn't really tenable on the long haul. it had to be replaced with a better db. [08:24]
mircea_popescu the noobs aren't really capable of handling the sort of requirements to dld a full chain. [08:25]
mircea_popescu so that bitcoin split among a pro and a noob division is scarcely amazing. [08:26]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [08:26]
pete_dushenski << best twitter comment in response to "adding value to bitcoin" piece. i'm flattered! [08:29]
assbot So are you ready to add value to Bitcoin? [08:29]
pete_dushenski (i sound like a gangster-rapper in writing, apparently) [08:30]
mircea_popescu how's the anon onslaught ? you been made to repent yet ? [08:31]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i'll repent by updating my "how to run a node" article with ben_vulpes' final work :) [08:32]
ben_vulpes gangster-rapper [08:32]
pete_dushenski and there hasn't been any anonslaught for the latest piece. but it's only been a few hours. [08:33]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: a quarter bn in 2014 ? seriously ? all into shit ? << lol. tip of the derpberg. [08:36]
thestringpuller You didn't link the article on "the problem of too much money" [08:37]
thestringpuller ;;google the problem of too much money [08:37]
gribble The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation “problem” pe Trilema ...: ; Money, fucking and lying pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [08:37]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse. << their own rates? or just dump some us bonds and trigger us rate increase? [08:37]
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pete_dushenski thestringpuller i'm well familiar with that one. i linked several other trilemas to make my case. [08:38]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: if we were still on gold standard, China could just dump gold and cause a collapse [08:38]
thestringpuller seems pretty easy to do in the modern economy [08:38]
pete_dushenski but since we [08:39]
pete_dushenski 're not... [08:39]
pete_dushenski well, "we" [08:39]
thestringpuller bonds gold etc. [08:40]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: romania was for a while on par with somalia. << but romania got "aid" [08:40]
thestringpuller I forgot jgarzik was an advocate of GPG in the web browser. [08:41]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller so ya, dump bonds = us raises rates to compete with market awash in dumped bonds. [08:41]
thestringpuller Kinda...scary... [08:41]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller this is the value of having a blog ;) [08:42]
thestringpuller "This engineer sees additional PGP problems: (1) ancient C codebase, and (2) lack of a usable lib." [08:42]
thestringpuller Aren't those good things? [08:42]
thestringpuller ancient C codebase == software that is more hardened over time [08:43]
pete_dushenski to quote mp: [08:43]
assbot A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [08:43]
thestringpuller blogging is a muscle. probably why I write for qntra [08:43]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller good for la serenissima, bad for usderpcorps. [08:43]
thestringpuller "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock! [08:44]
pete_dushenski news is a different muscle, though still a muscle. [08:44]
pete_dushenski yes, yw. [08:44]
pete_dushenski meh "canadian" [08:45]
thestringpuller hmm. it's ashame all the power rangers are senile [08:45]
pete_dushenski mom was born in romania. dad's fam moved from ukraine barely a century ago. thus [08:46]
assbot Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [08:46]
thestringpuller Ah. oh yea I remember. [08:47]
thestringpuller Reminds me a lot of the theory of stateless armies. [08:47]
thestringpuller (more metal gear talk) [08:48]
thestringpuller of a theory* [08:48]
pete_dushenski mercs essentially. [08:48]
thestringpuller yessir [08:48]
thestringpuller so went to that kryptokit site [08:48]
pete_dushenski "will work for treasure" [08:48]
thestringpuller vitalik buterin is on the team? kinda figures "javascript in da browser" [08:49]
RagnarDanneskjol [08:49]
assbot Private security group Typhon assembles private navy to protect Indian Ocean shipping from Somali pirates | This is Money [08:49]
pete_dushenski RagnarDanneskjol heh [08:50]
RagnarDanneskjol I've recruited mercs for them - they're pretty badass [08:50]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller ya, everything vitalik and his co-derp anthony touch are utter nonsense. [08:50]
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thestringpuller On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore? [08:51]
thestringpuller "Mission Accomplished! We failed but succeeded!" [08:52]
pete_dushenski anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext. [08:52]
pete_dushenski this was after anthony tried calling me several times, leaving voicemails about how he "didn't know i felt that way about ethereum" and shit. [08:54]
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thestringpuller LOL [08:55]
thestringpuller "I don't know how to use GPG, so I'm gonna make my own." [08:55]
thestringpuller We saw how that worked out for usagi ~_~ [08:55]
thestringpuller (in reference to insurance) [08:55]
pete_dushenski and i said we're doing pgp or irc. but he'd "lost his key" so had to make another...with kryptokit! [08:55]
pete_dushenski interestingly, kryptokit keys are only 2,047 instead of 2,048 rsa keys. odd, no? [08:56]
thestringpuller old pete_dushenski will one day think like Jeezy, "Seen't it all" [08:56]
pete_dushenski lol [08:57]
pete_dushenski it feels like bitcoin is accelerating that process! [08:57]
pete_dushenski or maybe it's just b-a. [08:57]
ben_vulpes it's a forging of some kind. trial by fire. [08:57]
thestringpuller dude this is so bad [08:57]
thestringpuller GPG in the browser? [08:58]
* pete_dushenski not complaining. doesn't mind a grey or two. [08:58]
thestringpuller this is as bad as that [08:58]
thestringpuller not quite as bad as your private key isn't stored on some fuckers machine in his mom's basement [08:58]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes ow! it's hot in here! [08:58]
RagnarDanneskjol i use gpg in browser on airgapped device with wifi physically disabled.. b/c I actually understand java and can audit with my own eyes [08:59]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski> it feels like bitcoin is accelerating that process! [08:59]
thestringpuller ^ MP must say at least once a day, "i'm too old for this shit" [08:59]
pete_dushenski RagnarDanneskjol heh neat. [08:59]
ben_vulpes bawww really RagnarDanneskjol ? [08:59]
RagnarDanneskjol yup - i dum [08:59]
ben_vulpes you make the baby satoshi cry [08:59]
ben_vulpes that's a pretty funny self-indictment of javaland if you don't mind my saying so. [09:00]
RagnarDanneskjol yes yes [09:00]
ben_vulpes "i can read java and stuff, but can't handle cli programs" [09:00]
ben_vulpes nothing personal [09:00]
ben_vulpes 'cept for the rapier betwixt yer ribs [09:00]
ben_vulpes :P [09:00]
RagnarDanneskjol none taken - I know my security leaves much to be desired.. why I hired a fulltime tutor [09:01]
pete_dushenski en garde! [09:01]
pete_dushenski fulltime! like 40h/wk?? [09:01]
ben_vulpes full time you say [09:01]
ben_vulpes lol i wish i had that kind of budget [09:01]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes patience. [09:01]
RagnarDanneskjol well - he's not just a tutor - he's building stuff too - talkin bout Azlph [09:02]
thestringpuller ;;later tell mircea_popescu I'm glad you can still be young at heart re: [09:03]
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ben_vulpes << fuck yeah default wpengine template [10:02]
assbot | startups, sales and inspiration. [10:02]
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ben_vulpes fluffypony: now there's an interesting thing to put up someone's pooper [10:04]
fluffypony lol [10:04]
ben_vulpes looks like i could get it open in about a minute with a decent vise [10:05]
ben_vulpes plus a screwdriver. maybe. [10:05]
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ben_vulpes but you know [10:05]
ben_vulpes neat keyfob i guess [10:05]
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mircea_popescu Logged on 28-03-2014 00:41:08; ozbot: Researches find Android apps that covertly mine Dogecoin, one of them with more than a million downl << lol a million doge is what, ten cents ? [10:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2095 @ 0.00074128 = 1.553 BTC [+] [10:13]
ben_vulpes using their considerable expertise in implementing a just-in-time (JIT) compiled version of the Ethereum virtual machine and making computationally-complex contracts a reasonably affordable possibility [10:15]
ben_vulpes WHY [10:15]
ben_vulpes okay who did this to me [10:15]
ben_vulpes who nerdsniped me with the etherscam again [10:15]
ben_vulpes fuck you medium [10:15]
ben_vulpes you're shitbanned [10:15]
mircea_popescu ^ [10:15]
mircea_popescu medium is a turdy pos on the level of coindesk. [10:16]
ben_vulpes i [10:16]
ben_vulpes but [10:16]
ben_vulpes ether [10:16]
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ben_vulpes anyways, here, ether wallet lulz: [10:20]
assbot Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations [10:20]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no dude, it's a pos libtard venue astroturfing the shit out of the internet. [10:20]
mircea_popescu its signal is exactly zero. [10:20]
ben_vulpes well it's cost the future one night of my time. [10:20]
ben_vulpes i *was* being productive and booting historical versions of bitcoin to run locally. [10:21]
ben_vulpes but noooo [10:21]
ben_vulpes i had to get scamsniped AGAIN. [10:21]
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ben_vulpes taleb's really on to something with his noise suppression routine. [10:21]
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ben_vulpes how though to reconcile noise suppression with -asset logreading... [10:22]
ben_vulpes thoughts for bed. [10:22]
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gabriel_laddel ;; later tell nubbins I'm not familiar with the btc codebase, but is there any reason not to include diffs from 5.3 to n.m in the appendix? [10:27]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen pigeons [10:30]
gribble pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: so far that seems accurate [10:30]
thickasthieves <+othernubs`> let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce /// yknow a survey of large miners' and pools' sentiment on state of bitcoin dev, what versions they use, etc would be a great qntra article [10:30]
mircea_popescu hard to verify miners, easy to get a bunch of derps that love to talk. but yes, it would be. [10:31]
thestringpuller couldn't you just ask trustworthy miners like slush for the pool stats? [10:32]
thestringpuller or do people have their computers lie about the version of stuff they are running? [10:32]
mircea_popescu being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really. [10:33]
mircea_popescu plenty to be lost. [10:33]
mircea_popescu miners willing to talk about their mining are either lying or motivated by something larger than their mining. which could be their own honesty, of course, but could just as well invalidate the entire premise identifying them as miners. [10:34]
mircea_popescu cazalla mebbe [10:34]
assbot 'LulzSec leader Aush0k' found to be naughty boy not worthy of jail The Register [10:34]
mircea_popescu help irritate asciilifeform's ideas about "can do anything" [10:35]
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thickasthieves <+mircea_popescu> being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really. /// well, what if we picture the future 10 years out? are representatives of large hash more communicative? or is there 'political' position on bitcoin technicals more known? [10:37]
mircea_popescu it's never going to be open. [10:37]
thickasthieves there/their [10:37]
mircea_popescu why would people in power talk to the public ? [10:37]
mircea_popescu the public is welcome to either start mining or stfu. [10:38]
thickasthieves so you think itll all just be a total mystery forever [10:38]
mircea_popescu only for the public. [10:38]
thickasthieves yeah, investigation would be interesting [10:39]
mircea_popescu there will be the occasional reports from retired people, obviously. but otherwise, bitcoin mining ~==== fiat espionage. [10:39]
mircea_popescu or w/e, "secret services" [10:40]
thickasthieves i remember bitfury was very defensive when i asked how much manufactured mining power they represented [10:41]
mircea_popescu i suppose the other similar thing is the networking cabal. [10:42]
mircea_popescu people may exchange info as to how much switching happens and where and how, on a "need to operate network" basis. [10:42]
mircea_popescu but you're not getting a report. nor is congress. [10:42]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i remember hearing about this kid, nfi if he actually was part of lulzsec or not [10:42]
thestringpuller tactical espionage action [10:43]
mircea_popescu cazalla seems not really. but the aussie "secret service" twerps are the better target there. i dun think anyone can point out to ANYTHING they ever achieved, since ww2 onward. [10:43]
mircea_popescu not ever. and yet... [10:43]
cazalla nah, secret police here are ASIO not AFP [10:44]
mircea_popescu there's at least half a dozen of various derp groups, and they're all wasting oxygen & public moneyz. [10:45]
cazalla given i live here, i have nothing but praise for all gov departments, advance australia fair [10:46]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates. << you understand those aren't directly measured, but more like calculated after the fact ? it's normal variance, you're trying to guess how many times a coin is tossed by how many heads you see. well... [10:48]
mircea_popescu cazalla haha that's a point. [10:48]
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thickasthieves [10:48]
assbot Sweden's Military Calls Sub's Breach of Waters 'Fucked Up' [10:48]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: this suggests a novel attack vector: depress price strategically to drive miners out, <<< except miners don't go in and out with the price. the market is amortisation driven, they have the gear and have to use it, so they'll use it. [10:49]
mircea_popescu fx risk is handled like any fx risk (hedge and insure). [10:50]
mircea_popescu On Sunday, the Swedish media wound itself into a tizzy over a photograph of a man dressed in black wading into the water somewhere in the archipelago. The security services were dispatched to find the man, who turned out to be a pensioner named Ove, out doing some fishing. "I'm no spy, I'm a pensioner," he told Expressen. "You can tell that it's me [in the photo] by my straight jeans, and I usually have a backpack on." [10:53]
mircea_popescu how did that theory go... the ideal spy is an old guy with no social contacts ? [10:53]
bounce the sweedish sold off their sub hunting helos in 2008. bwahahahaha. [10:53]
mircea_popescu bounce sweden is kinda poor these days. [10:53]
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bounce am I supposed to pity the fools now? [10:55]
mircea_popescu they let norway split... [10:55]
mircea_popescu birts have more sense with scotland [10:55]
bounce norway is doing pretty well, last I heard [10:55]
mircea_popescu while reserves last. [10:57]
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ben_vulpes mod6: create an address and send coins to it? [19:12]
Apocalyptic it may be handy to generate a private key outside of the bitcoind mecanism [19:13]
Apocalyptic it you want to use it, gotta import it [19:13]
ben_vulpes mm. [19:13]
othernubs` all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide [19:14]
mod6 and what if you already have a private key that you'd like to import from cold storage? how would you send coins to new said address? [19:14]
othernubs` bridges between ottawa and gatineau all shut down [19:14]
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Apocalyptic wait they close bridges because of that ? [19:15]
mod6 in other news... i think i fixed my deps problem. [19:15]
mod6 :) [19:15]
ben_vulpes nice! care to share? [19:15]
mod6 so the debian source list generator thingy didn't put it in there that i need lines that tell me to go to just "squeeze" itself, not just "squeeze-updates" or w/e. will paste. [19:16]
jurov othernubs`: did you close the US border, to stop the terrorists? [19:16]
mod6 "Cloning into bitcoin ..." [19:16]
othernubs` it's the most open border in the world :/ [19:17]
mod6 "Checking out v0.5.3" [19:17]
mod6 looks like there might be an issue with that sed command tho [19:17]
PinkPosixPXE if you dpaste/pastebin it, I can assist. [19:18]
PinkPosixPXE ^with sed [19:18]
othernubs` so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching? [19:19]
othernubs` ;D [19:19]
mats_cd03 you made isis mad othernubs` [19:19]
mod6 awe shit. fuckin scrollback only set to 512 by default. gotta run this stuff again. one sec... working on it [19:19]
ben_vulpes it initially ended with :=0/d so as to rip the relevant line out. that'll still work. [19:19]
mats_cd03 time for canada to become part of the caliphate [19:19]
bounce wasn't forking the point of the whole thing? [19:21]
bounce a list of CVEs and other security problems in bitcoin would be useful [19:21]
bounce probably would need to take the full tree and look at the diffs, backport the useful stuff and leave the cruft [19:22]
mike_c polish the turd? [19:22]
bounce no, not quite [19:23]
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bounce the usg unfunded liabilities problem is mainly pensions, no? [19:24]
mod6 so keep in mind that a lot of these packages got pulled successfully the first time. this is the second running after i bumped up the scrollback limit on the term: [19:25]
mod6 [19:25]
assbot dpaste: 1EHBRNF [19:25]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes btw, if oyu're going to maintain this, change satoshi's warn key. [19:25]
mod6 Thanks PinkPosixPXE [19:26]
mircea_popescu so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching? << not long. [19:26]
mircea_popescu all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide << russians finally invading ? [19:27]
mike_c isn't somebody making a good alternative implementation? why take 0.5.3 as the b-a client. [19:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ISIS invading, hell of a thing to wake up to. [19:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c because gavin wants a fork [19:27]
mats_cd03 nice knowing you, canada [19:28]
mircea_popescu and in general, when little bitches are asking for a thrashing, it's a good idea to give them a thrasing. [19:28]
othernubs` ;;google globe footage captures shoot out in parliament building [19:28]
gribble euronews (in English) - YouTube: ; All comments on A Fresh Perspective On "Islamophobia" - YouTube: ; Toronto by Newsreel | culture | Torontoist: [19:28]
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othernubs` too recent i guess, [19:28]
mircea_popescu othernubs` << totally. [19:28]
assbot bridges between ottawa and gatineau all shut down - Google Search [19:28]
mircea_popescu all they got is "How to Be a Devils Fan In Ottawa -- 2014-15 Edition" and "Tune in TONIGHT for "MAKERS: Women in War"" [19:29]
mircea_popescu as if. [19:29]
othernubs` [19:30]
assbot Globe footage captures shooting in Parliament building - YouTube [19:30]
mircea_popescu o hey. [19:30]
mircea_popescu sooo.... why military bases then ? [19:30]
othernubs` first shot took down a canadian soldier at the nat'l war memorial [19:30]
mircea_popescu what's a "police sweep" [19:30]
Apocalyptic sooo.... why military bases then ? // didn't get that either [19:31]
mircea_popescu dude these schmucks are not trained or something ? [19:31]
mircea_popescu is THAT what you do when shots fired ? [19:31]
mthreat mircea_popescu: [19:31]
assbot Hack - Imgur [19:31]
bounce dunno. police pretending to be militaree is all the rage now. has been for a while. [19:31]
mircea_popescu mthreat ahahah win. [19:32]
mircea_popescu bounce even police tho. it's a basic fucking thing, what is this bullshit "i'ma lower my back in a crouch so as to reduce mobility and improve exposure" [19:32]
mircea_popescu for crying out loud. throwing like a girl, but for guns. [19:32]
thickasthieves [19:33]
assbot Globe footage captures shooting in Parliament building - YouTube [19:33]
mircea_popescu i suppose asking the brave&bold to crawl for two hundred yards is way too much huh. [19:33]
bounce not everybody has the guts to walk in rod straight with a campaign hat instead of a helmet and going "I love the smell of napalm in the morning", you know. [19:33]
othernubs` maybe i should submit a bitbet about the war measures act being enabled again [19:34]
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mircea_popescu bounce and whoever does won't have em for long, you know ? [19:37]
mircea_popescu othernubs` sounds legit. [19:37]
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mircea_popescu << the best part is where it says "pantalla tactil" and "together we work for you" [19:44]
bounce which is why they like their guns at the ready and their own profile minimised [19:45]
mircea_popescu seriously, that's not how it's done. these little bitches would get massacred if anyone seriously went at them. [19:45]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [19:46]
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bounce they're police wannabe soldiers, not actual combat vets [19:46]
mircea_popescu shocking video, anyway. [19:47]
bounce so why is this assad character so completely reviled, beyond resisting the arab spring thing? [19:47]
BingoBoingo [19:47]
assbot Latest Radio News, Talk Shows, Sports, Hosts, Personalities | [19:47]
mircea_popescu bounce he broke the us' back in the middle east. [19:47]
mircea_popescu remember that humiliating "chemical weapons" thing ? [19:47]
bounce not that that wouldn't have happened a bit later anyway, with the sharia-huggers [19:48]
mircea_popescu that was the first of since then numerous times putin shoved his cock in obama's butt. [19:48]
BingoBoingo bounce: He married a white girl is as far as I can tell. [19:48]
mircea_popescu he's not much more middleeastern-y-er than obam. [19:48]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore? << well it wasn't really making all that much. [19:51]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext. <<< ahahahh.this is like, what, built from the ground up with derpidity in mind ? [19:51]
mircea_popescu lmao. [19:51]
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bounce stupid s/w and clueless user. it's what you get when most of the userbase is clueless: the writers of mailclients will also be clueless. [19:55]
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mircea_popescu o so basically the idea is, client autodecrypted and then appended it to email history as per usual ? [19:57]
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mircea_popescu i suppose it's a good filter for the killfile. [19:58]
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bounce dunno what happened. any user-agent headers in the original? [19:58]
mircea_popescu good q. [19:59]
* bounce has way too much to read. *sigh* [19:59]
mircea_popescu "339,192 US rank. This site reaches over 858 monthly people" << holy shit, it's not fucking possible that 1k people reading you on a monthly basis puts you in the top 300k sites on the internets. [20:00]
bounce them 'merkins really can't keep their fingers out of anything and they manage to fsck up everywhere. not a new observation, but it hasn't ceased to be painfully true either. [20:01]
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mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo : didja see quantcast's "affinity index" ? 32.7x 26.2x 26.1x 20.8x 19.3x. made to own, that thing. [20:01]
BingoBoingo Yeah [20:02]
mircea_popescu $depth S.QNTR [20:03]
empyex mircea_popescu: Want a bash? Or use a valid MPSIC! [20:03]
bounce mind the "us" part. that's only some large fraction of 310M people. there's at least as many people online in china, and europe again, and so on. [20:03]
mircea_popescu bounce but 1k ? it's like... anything is seen by a thousand people in a month. [20:03]
mircea_popescu it's thirty a day for crissakes [20:03]
bounce you got the same numbers but for, just for comparison? [20:04]
bounce though that'd be the wrong thing to compare with. the other 'bitcoin'-news services would be better to compare with [20:05]
mod6 ok ben_vulpes: works! [20:06]
assbot dpaste: 3RHJW3S [20:06]
mircea_popescu anyway, i was saying earlier i love varnish ? pre varnish, 89,441 pages, 207,229 hits. post varnish ? 58,692 pages 58,707 hits. saved 100k hits or so. [20:06]
mircea_popescu bounce nah, qntra is the only thing on quantcast. [20:06]
mircea_popescu i am serious, there's just no way to run a web server w/o it. [20:07]
mod6 there was 2 very minor changes to your sed command in there that PinkPosixPXE helped me with. needs to be: sed -i 's/USE_UPNP:=0/USE_UPNP=/1' [20:07]
mod6 I'll paste the entire thing, just a sec. [20:08]
BingoBoingo << Looky [20:09]
mod6 ;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 Helped me out testing ben_vulpes install script. [20:09]
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PinkPosixPXE Thanks! :) [20:10]
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jurov << putin already saving oil companies from pension funds? happens rather quickly [20:11]
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mod6 ben_vulpes: [20:12]
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mircea_popescu mod6 ben_vulpes would you two be interested in cochairing an ACTUAL bitcoin foundation ? dedicated to ~actually~ maintaining the bitcoin core etc ? [20:12]
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mod6 it'd be an honor, Sir. [20:14]
mircea_popescu draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate [20:15]
mircea_popescu prolly not teh only one. [20:15]
jurov what about Chief Scientist and 5 econ muppets positions? [20:15]
mircea_popescu jurov none of that, i'm thinking more of, have two co-chairs, then when one wants to go out they vote unanimously to add a third, and after 6 months the retiring one can leave. [20:15]
mircea_popescu stable indefinitely like that. [20:16]
jurov i see. deaths are to be announced 6 moths prior, too. [20:16]
thickasthieves i had same idea this morning actually [20:16]
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mircea_popescu thickasthieves good for you :) [20:16]
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TheNewDeal Ooo can I be fundraising chair? [20:16]
TheNewDeal I'll pledge a donation :D [20:16]
mircea_popescu jurov well, ideally people on death's door aren't in the chair position. [20:17]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal i dun thyink so. you see, it's by doing shit. [20:17]
TheNewDeal securing finances is just part of the mo? [20:17]
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mircea_popescu notrly. [20:17]
mircea_popescu i think that'd be the other one. [20:17]
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jurov ok srs. mod6 is a C++ programmer? or do you have any? [20:18]
TheNewDeal ooo the scamcoin foundation? [20:18]
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thickasthieves should also require signed, narrated gpg for all distributions of funds [20:18]
mircea_popescu they can hire/work with whoever the fuck they want. [20:18]
thickasthieves run it totally transparently [20:18]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves absolutely. [20:18]
mod6 i've done a fair amount of C++ in the past. a lot more C though, I must admit. [20:18]
mircea_popescu hire people like eulora hires people, on gpg contract. [20:18]
mats_cd03 this sounds like something i want to be involved in [20:19]
mircea_popescu cool! [20:19]
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bounce mod6: what'd you work on? [20:20]
jurov where do you accept patches? i have one pending (for multiple walletsw) [20:20]
jurov it's against 0.8, tho [20:20]
mircea_popescu well once they actually get the charter signerd i suppose there's going to be a geethoob [20:20]
jurov and i was told the code was refactored quite [20:21]
bounce they're starting to bitch about browser versions [20:21]
mircea_popescu jurov not unfixable, that. [20:21]
mircea_popescu how, they ? [20:21]
mircea_popescu who* [20:21]
bounce perhaps not a good idea to rely on them. then again, hosting a git repo isn't exactly difficult. [20:21]
jurov bluematt iirc [20:21]
mod6 bounce: noting in C++ that i can point to right this minute in OS space. Mostly C stuff is out there... my freebsd port I created is in C. [20:22]
jurov what about boost? [20:22]
mircea_popescu ah git. well u dunno man, that's why there's foundation chairs. sort this shit out. [20:22]
bounce what'd you port then? [20:23]
mod6 oh a million years ago i created a port called 'destroy' [20:24]
mod6 but been a freebsd guy for a long time, helped out on a lot of various things. [20:24]
mod6 in user & kern [20:24]
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* mod6 fbsd since 4.2, obsd since 2.6 [20:26]
bounce freebsd 4 best freebsd [20:27]
mod6 ^ [20:27]
thestringpuller you don't know if you're on death's door if you get assinated [20:28]
thestringpuller assassinated* [20:28]
thestringpuller wow [20:29]
bounce twice the ass [20:29]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller yeah, okay, if anyone gets ass-assinated we'll ad-hoc it k ? [20:31]
mircea_popescu no point in having pre-compiled code in case of exceptions. pre-compiled is for non exceptional stuff. [20:31]
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bounce do we have sources on us vs ru jet fighter quality other than herr orlov? [20:39]
mircea_popescu me ? [20:39]
bounce how'd that go? o_O [20:39]
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mircea_popescu tis in the logs, i wonder how it's keyed [20:40]
mircea_popescu !s sukhoi [20:40]
assbot 1 results for 'sukhoi' : [20:40]
mircea_popescu a there we go. cool! [20:41]
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othernubs` mircea_popescu> draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate <<< me too [20:42]
othernubs` a single distro shames us all [20:42]
mircea_popescu especially a shitty one run in circles through featuritis swamp by idiots [20:43]
othernubs` SatoshiCore: don't run with the chumps [20:44]
mircea_popescu cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past. [20:44]
mircea_popescu othernubs` there's really no cause to fork the name too. let the gavin-mike-dorkteam run into obscurity and that's that. [20:45]
bounce ;;seen mistere [20:45]
gribble mistere was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 27 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: Deer Hunter was masterpiece [20:45]
othernubs` yeah fair enough [20:45]
mircea_popescu this is bitcoin. that some other derps are calling their derpage bitcoin too... well who cares. [20:45]
othernubs` shit, drop the core and just call it Bitcoin. [20:45]
mircea_popescu the us congress calls itself sovereign. anyone can call anything [20:45]
RagnarDanneskjol spkg of name *motion to rename 'ACTUAL bitcoin foundation' to homebrew bitcoin club [20:46]
othernubs` aye [20:46]
mircea_popescu ;;ud spkg [20:46]
gribble Google found nothing. [20:46]
RagnarDanneskjol speaking [20:46]
mircea_popescu hardly. it'd be the bitcoin foundation. because it's what it is. [20:46]
mircea_popescu some other scamthing notwithstanding. [20:46]
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* jurov regs [20:49]
mircea_popescu too ? [20:50]
RagnarDanneskjol ugh [20:50]
jurov taken [20:50]
othernubs` heh [20:50]
mircea_popescu which is my fucking point. this "name and logo" approach to "ideas" is for the birds. [20:50]
mircea_popescu what the fuck does it need a website for even. [20:51]
jurov it'll just be project on github? [20:51]
BingoBoingo [20:51]
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mircea_popescu if they even decide to use github [20:51]
othernubs` mod6 ben_vulpes put this book thing to rest once and for all; merge useful changes from 0.6.3 into 0.5.3 and call that your baseline [20:52]
othernubs` we'll publish the goddamn thing [20:52]
othernubs` sanity prevails [20:52]
jurov will be hosted on an obscure ipv6 addy :DDD [20:52]
mircea_popescu othernubs` "Bitcoin, the definitive edition" ? [20:52]
mircea_popescu jurov can be [20:52]
mircea_popescu or whatevs. [20:52]
othernubs` Bitcoin v6 [20:53]
othernubs` canadian forces warning personnel not to wear their uniforms off-base?! [20:54]
othernubs` what madness is this [20:54]
jurov is regged to some "Matthew Campbell","Bryan Thomas Campbell Foundation", Scottsdale, US [20:54]
othernubs` soldier gets shot, solution is for all other soldiers to get naked [20:54]
othernubs` jurov, the basdard [20:55]
Apocalyptic that's a weird announcement to make... [20:55]
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othernubs` truly bizarre [20:55]
mod6 <+othernubs`> mod6 ben_vulpes put this book thing to rest once and for all; merge useful changes from 0.6.3 into 0.5.3 and call that your baseline << agreed. [20:55]
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othernubs` i'd recommend the next few minor releases merge as many non-crufty fixes from core as possible, but that's just one man's opinion [20:59]
othernubs` copy the cream, chuck the crap [20:59]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [21:03]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 385.41, Best ask: 386.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 385.26, 24 hour volume: 8718.21347780, 24 hour low: 380.0, 24 hour high: 389.39, 24 hour vwap: 384.929848633 [21:03]
asciilifeform maintain << i will, sure. if someone actually wants this. [21:04]
asciilifeform mainly because this involves virtually no work. [21:05]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [21:05]
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othernubs` heh [21:05]
othernubs` asciilifeform, you okay with yr manuscript elucidating the forthcoming Real Bitcoin 0.6? [21:06]
jurov heh..wait till they break boost compat [21:06]
asciilifeform my manuscript, lol!? [21:06]
bounce how much boost is in there anyway? [21:06]
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othernubs` ;D [21:06]
asciilifeform i'll breathe on it and bless it, promise. [21:07]
othernubs` calling it a book seems to boorish at this point [21:07]
othernubs` *too [21:07]
othernubs` these rubber keys.. [21:07]
othernubs` can't wait to see the charter [21:08]
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asciilifeform i refuse to build the winblows gui ver., though. [21:10]
asciilifeform (all others - sure, fuk, why not) [21:11]
mike_c charter ideas: 1) maintain a workable core with no shit in it. 2) specify bitcoin 3) write a new implementation because you can't polish a turd. [21:12]
othernubs` i don't think gui should be a priority, at all. [21:13]
mod6 these are good ideas mike_c. [21:13]
mod6 othernubs`: *nod* [21:13]
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othernubs` i'll donate 1btc specifically to guarantee no gui for 0.6-0.7 [21:14]
mod6 gotta make it work, before we make it pretty right [21:14]
othernubs` ^ [21:14]
bounce a workable api would be nice. the current js stuff is... er, open for improvement. [21:14]
othernubs` heh [21:14]
othernubs` bitcoinjs is actually not bad [21:15]
othernubs` but you're right [21:15]
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asciilifeform donate... to guarantee no gui << Deal!! pay to xxxxx.... [21:15]
othernubs` let others extend. i don't want gpg to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs [21:16]
bounce it's quite a lot useless if you're trying to build scripts with it, unless they're browser-based in some way [21:17]
othernubs` i don't want real bitcoin to come default w/ candy [21:17]
othernubs` bounce, node.js runtime [21:17]
asciilifeform and, naturally, replicable build setup (i'd suggest 'qemu' image. easy.) [21:17]
othernubs` open a bash prompt and type node wallet.js or w/e [21:18]
bounce yeah, that's the point. useless on the cli, where you'd throw awk at it instead. [21:18]
othernubs` !up omg_hax [21:18]
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asciilifeform no, that's braindamaged. qemu image - complete minimal bsd with all components, boots up (emulated) on any arch from any culture. [21:19]
jurov well.. seems like we need to draft a roadmap [21:19]
jurov and if without gui, then it should work fine on cygwin, no? [21:19]
jurov qemu has poor i/o perf [21:19]
asciilifeform forget maps - if someone actually wants this, no joke, i'll simply crap it out. just say where we'll keep it. [21:20]
bounce no usage, no manpage, unobvious naming. [21:20]
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asciilifeform poor i/o performance << not for using!! for building. [21:20]
bounce oh, and deceptive. recall that shop that relied on its "accounting" features, then found out the hard way they're useless for keeping track of accounts? [21:20]
bounce they got derided for that, but really, the feature shouldn't have been in there in the first place. that, or something that actually did what it said it'd do. [21:21]
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asciilifeform 'qemu' is simply a machine emulator (x86, mips, sparc, a few others) - we can use another if someone has a good reason to dislike qemu [21:22]
bounce how available is it? [21:22]
asciilifeform eveveryone please try to grasp why i suggest emulator. this gives a complete self-contained block of bits which reliably builds the apparatus. no external anything, ever. [21:23]
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The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: - I've passed out a few, not to all tenants though due to the baby being born on last rent cycle [21:23]
asciilifeform available << gpl2 [21:23]
bounce the problem with that is that the emulator itself should be widely available too. [21:23]
BingoBoingo qemu is available just about anywhere [21:24]
mircea_popescu can't wait to see the charter << me2 [21:24]
jurov i am fine with qemu... but... it builds and then what? [21:24]
jurov you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting? [21:24]
mircea_popescu othernubs`> i don't think gui should be a priority, at all. << prolly not. if they kill the qt branch it would be no loss anyway [21:24]
asciilifeform plus, a snapshot of ordinary x86 bsd install 'for qemu' could be booted on a physical machine. the suggested distribution mechanism is just a way to keep the thing reliably portable without having folks dependency-hunt. [21:24]
bounce the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake [21:25]
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mircea_popescu othernubs`> let others extend. i don't want gpg to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs << EXACTLY. do one thing, do it well. [21:25]
bounce probably should do multiple image formats for the time being though [21:25]
asciilifeform it builds and then what << damned if i know. then, folks who actually use bitcoin for something, can, presumably, use this one if they so wish [21:25]
mircea_popescu all this non-unix bs, "gotta make an application to join curl and awk EACH WAY THEY COULD BE JOINED". for fiddy billion "different" aps. [21:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the term you're looking for is 'non-orthogonality' - ancient lament on my site [21:26]
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bounce one thing that would be useful but is probably not that trivial to implement is a way to split keeping the chain and keeping the keys [21:27]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud o happy bday. [21:29]
ben_vulpes mod6, othernubs`: i'm behind on logs, but this is amenable. [21:29]
ben_vulpes ugh amenable [21:29]
ben_vulpes it's fine and great i mean to say [21:29]
The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: thanks, although you're a few weeks late :D [21:29]
othernubs` copacetic [21:30]
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jurov bounce this is nowallet=1 parameter since 0.9 [21:30]
mircea_popescu and if without gui, then it should work fine on cygwin, no? << probably. [21:30]
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asciilifeform so does someone actually want this for anything? and othernubs has a tree up for comment? [21:30]
mircea_popescu oh, and deceptive. recall that shop that relied on its "accounting" features, then found out the hard way they're useless for keeping track of accounts? << yeah and definitely must fix, but that'll be hard to do on the first pass. an excellent thing to do for first revision tho, take out "labels" implement accounts correctly (or merge coin control in, either way) [21:31]
bounce so how do the wallets relying on it then ascertain the validity of the chain that instance serves? [21:31]
mircea_popescu qemu is available just about anywhere << this is true. [21:31]
mircea_popescu you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting? << not like we can't keep an official copy for bootstrapping, or else people who have the patience can just make their own [21:31]
bounce it's still going to be a bitch for shops that're running, say, xen or vmware or whatnot. [21:31]
mircea_popescu the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake << also true. [21:32]
jurov you can run qemu under xen and whatnot fine [21:32]
mircea_popescu ^ [21:32]
bounce though boost is a right pain and bloody big. [21:32]
asciilifeform even contemplating basic auditability requires a 'capsule' that does not need to milk anything (save mains current) from the outside world, during build setup [21:32]
mircea_popescu which is another very valid 2nd step, audit the motherucker. [21:33]
asciilifeform hence emulator with expected 'gcc', known libs, etc [21:33]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it. [21:33]
othernubs` yeah, that's valid [21:33]
jurov how it is better as distributing signed binaries? [21:33]
othernubs` ^ also valid [21:33]
mircea_popescu true. [21:34]
asciilifeform how it is better as distributing signed binaries? << iron correspondence btween claimed source and claimed binaries. only one way to achieve this reliably - the one suggested above. [21:34]
othernubs` maybe it's fair to put the burden of the system's basic integrity on the user [21:34]
ben_vulpes i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? [21:35]
mircea_popescu and since we're doing this : asciilifeform the one thing you'd be most halpful with would be, look into the god damned rand code/crypto uses thereof. [21:35]
othernubs` boot up a vm! [21:35]
mircea_popescu there HAVE been cases where bitcoin used shitty entropy. [21:35]
asciilifeform vm << no vm. known emulated cpu for known state, always. [21:35]
jurov yes, you can make the qemu image available for reproducible builds, but dunno if to advertise as sop for everyone [21:35]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it. << okay :) [21:36]
mircea_popescu jurov b-a is not for everyone. [21:36]
ben_vulpes [21:36]
assbot X3J13 Charter [21:36]
asciilifeform qemu only for builders / paranoiacs. ordinary mortals can use the resulting binaries. [21:36]
mod6 <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat. [21:36]
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asciilifeform i'll happily take a weekend off to read the rng gibblets, once you lot draft a proclamation of Giving A Fuck [21:37]
othernubs` if you guys need assistance editing it, i may be of some help [21:38]
BingoBoingo I have a feeling the great use of Deedbot will be proclamations of giving a fuck. [21:38]
asciilifeform oh and yes, i'll crap out a qemu (or bochs - does anyone prefer bochs?) image. [21:38]
othernubs` highest grade i ever got in a math degree was 98% in a technical writing course ;0 [21:38]
jurov vakgrind can use either? [21:38]
jurov *valgrind [21:38]
mircea_popescu <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat. << you've read plenty of mpex contracts, good enough. keep it direct, plain and simp,le. [21:39]
othernubs` qemu sounds like a start [21:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hopefully that's done by fri. [21:39]
mike_c <+ben_vulpes> << this seems like a good, simple, plain example. [21:39]
asciilifeform valgrind << will run inside. it attaches to a process. if you want out-of-band (say, kernel diddling) both emulators present 'gdb' interface to the outside, stop cpu, play [21:39]
mircea_popescu certainly the cl is a good antecessor. [21:40]
bounce redo the whole thing in cl in a night already [21:41]
mod6 mircea_popescu: ok thanks, good point. [21:41]
mircea_popescu except it should be explicitly exclusive rather than inclusive. "We will NOT work with unqualified third parties, which is to say parties that have not satisfied their log reading and wot presence prequalifications." [21:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: care to upload a favourite and signed openbsd installer? then we roll tonight. [21:41]
mod6 we'll draft up something, probably have something for all to look at by end of tomorrow or friday? hope that's not too long. [21:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i rarely if at all run openbsd tho ? [21:41]
mircea_popescu mod6 if it's by friday it's perfect. [21:42]
mod6 ok. sounds good. we'll dig in. :) [21:42]
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mircea_popescu if lenin were alive today lenin would be begging us to let him in this chan. [21:42]
asciilifeform who has the bitcoind tree? othernubs? [21:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean the source tarballs ? [21:44]
asciilifeform deturdified src [21:45]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes prolly. [21:45]
mircea_popescu punkman yeah speaking of all this comotion, any chance we get the deedbot up by fri ? [21:45]
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mircea_popescu !up FabianB [21:45]
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asciilifeform redo the whole thing in cl in a night already << ask me again in peacetime [21:46]
* jurov just snatched . we'll see. [21:48]
bounce can throw a git repo at it for starters [21:48]
mircea_popescu can';t hurt. [21:49]
jurov just http for now? [21:49]
bounce why not [21:50]
mircea_popescu https is about as useful as tits on a boar. [21:50]
bounce though no, best put a ssh thingy for commit on it [21:50]
jurov yes, ssh i meant [21:50]
mircea_popescu gpg commits! [21:50]
mircea_popescu get everyone used to checking sigs. [21:51]
mircea_popescu nonw of this ssh bs [21:51]
mircea_popescu none* [21:51]
jurov via irc bots! bring the noize! [21:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i rarely if at all run openbsd tho << now we know, he has personal os and btc apparatus! with alien technology. [21:51]
bounce no idea how that works. you'd have to have git check against valid gpg sigs from blessed keys or something? [21:52]
asciilifeform gpg commits << yay! somebody Gets It [21:52]
mircea_popescu jurov might be a good idea via bots, so people can commit from here directly, but even w/o that : a contrib that is signed is signed permanently. [21:52]
mircea_popescu a contrib that is submitted via ssh WAS, maybe, perhaps, signed at some point. [21:52]
bounce no real point trying to go through bots when git can do it right away [21:52]
jurov i have to look into how signed commits are done [21:52]
mircea_popescu bounce only because people see it in the logs. [21:52]
mircea_popescu jurov it can just be wrapped in gpg --clearsign you know ? [21:52]
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bounce you can have git trigger a log whatnot and feed that to the other end of a bot [21:53]
mircea_popescu certainly. [21:53]
jurov mircea_popescu: but iirc it signs the diff, not just commit message [21:53]
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asciilifeform how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. [21:54]
punkman mircea_popescu: yeah should be up by friday [21:54]
mircea_popescu i have no idea, never looked that closely. [21:54]
mircea_popescu !up Plaxant [21:54]
BingoBoingo !up Plaxant [21:54]
-assbot- You voiced Plaxant for 30 minutes. [21:54]
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mircea_popescu too slow bingo [21:54]
mircea_popescu punkman ideal. [21:54]
BingoBoingo Yeah, I'm slowing in my old age [21:54]
mircea_popescu how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go. [21:54]
mircea_popescu we need to create that "have read" accounting scheme i was talking about weeks ago. [21:54]
mircea_popescu there's no other way to trust software. [21:54]
kakobrekla (while pretending you can run 'safe' sw) [21:55]
asciilifeform this is all quite trivial, so far (until someone starts insisting on actual work) [21:55]
mircea_popescu it's one thing to trust this rnd function because asciilifeform and 25 others signed on reading it. [21:55]
mircea_popescu it's another to trust it because asciilifeform commited it, and therefore perhaps read it, and it's open source so therefore "billions of eye pairs" [21:55]
asciilifeform !s eyes flies [21:56]
assbot 4 results for 'eyes flies' : [21:56]
kakobrekla meant doesnt mean shit [21:56]
kakobrekla meat* [21:56]
mircea_popescu depends how long it has in the sun [21:56]
kakobrekla anyway, some years at the future [21:57]
kakobrekla all will be same, just you will be pissed at other people [21:57]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla bitbet ? [21:57]
kakobrekla only goes 1year [21:57]
mircea_popescu so then say this again later we see ? :D [21:57]
kakobrekla anytime [21:57]
asciilifeform incidentally, reserving signature for 'i approve this message' is braindamaged. should sign with comments like 'this line is ok unless goldbach's conjecture is proven false, then yer phucked' etc. [21:57]
mircea_popescu ;;ident kakobrekla [21:57]
gribble Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is not identified. [21:57]
mircea_popescu ha! SCAEM [21:58]
kakobrekla sec [21:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform commenting the source code is never a bad idea. [21:58]
mircea_popescu commenting it to show when it won't work rather than "what you imagine it does" is even more useful. [21:59]
kakobrekla ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:29b32a6e9c213016f07aaf303a9adac1b91adf57541c8ff3d298f2fc [21:59]
gribble You are now authenticated for user kakobrekla with key 27AF75321F2489E8 [21:59]
mircea_popescu people need a lot more negativity in their life to be happy and productive and members of society. [21:59]
asciilifeform ^^^^ [21:59]
Plaxant mircea_popescu agree, if you have no negativity in your life you skate and just don't care about doing better. [22:00]
Plaxant it's like trying to eliminate stress, never going to happen. [22:00]
asciilifeform and why did this have to wait for crackpot to ask for a printed satoshi turd, i wonder. [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00073623 = 8.209 BTC [-] [22:00]
bounce I'd probably want a mailinglist to toss patches around, though [22:00]
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asciilifeform bounce: toss them around by carrier pigeon or catapult if you like. if they're signed, they're signed. [22:01]
kakobrekla yeah well i wonder why is anyone still connected to irc being all idealistic and shit [22:02]
[]bot Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" [22:02]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: why is anyone still connected to irc << priced pigeons lately? [22:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00073501 = 9.0039 BTC [-] {3} [22:04]
jurov i vote for patch delivery via ICBMs [22:05]
kakobrekla pigeons are more idealistic?! [22:05]
asciilifeform submarine. [22:05]
kakobrekla so, my point did not get across? [22:06]
asciilifeform ;;google RFC 1149 [22:06]
gribble RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian ...: ; IP over Avian Carriers (1149) - Wikipedia: ; RFC1149 avia - Internet FAQ Archives: [22:06]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform cause it's how things run in this life. [22:09]
mircea_popescu never underestimate the importance of crackpot demands. [22:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla didn't, no. you're too dry for this language :) [22:09]
thickasthieves "US will monitor travelers for three weeks when arriving from Ebola-stricken countries" it begins... [22:12]
bounce *nobody able to discern any change* [22:13]
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mircea_popescu !up bradedwards [22:14]
-assbot- You voiced bradedwards for 30 minutes. [22:14]
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kakobrekla ircing on a broken sw stack running on a broken hw stack [22:14]
kakobrekla weird some nuke doesnt go off when i do !up [22:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yet./ [22:15]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: lol. if all the hatemail i got, on this specific theme, were to be printed, it would be as tall as my leg. [22:16]
bradedwards Hey room, I was told about you all by a friend of mine Mitch Callahan. He showed me Qntra, and I like your approach. Less corporate news, more honest. Less polished, mroe of the harsh truths the community needs to hear. Just wanted to stop by and voice my appreciation and support [22:16]
asciilifeform 'you lamer, betcha own x86 boxes and like it, trololol' [22:16]
kakobrekla why 'hate' mail ? [22:16]
aabtc AdamIRAway Adlai aegis agamemnon23 AlexWkz altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur [22:16]
kakobrekla heh [22:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you got tall legs ? [22:16]
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punkman interesting [22:16]
mircea_popescu bradedwards that's nice. now get in the wot ? [22:16]
asciilifeform reasonably. [22:16]
assbot First post and an interesting observation about ECDSA [22:16]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh [22:16]
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[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" Odds: 96(Y):4(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,982. [22:17]
bradedwards the wot? [22:17]
kakobrekla its more of a 'truth' mail [22:17]
kakobrekla :D [22:17]
mircea_popescu 'you lamer, betcha own x86 boxes and like it, trololol' << pete got a bunch of that on his software doesn't fail recent thing too [22:17]
mircea_popescu ;;google what the wot is, how it works and how to use it [22:17]
gribble How WOT ratings work | Help Center | WOT (Web of Trust): ; Why WOT works | WOT (Web of Trust): ; What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un ...: [22:17]
mircea_popescu ;;google first steps in bitcoin-assets [22:17]
gribble start [bitcoin assets wiki]: ; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: ; Bitcoin fund launches - Futures: [22:17]
mircea_popescu bradedwards ^ [22:17]
kakobrekla not the lamer part, but the x86. [22:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5432 @ 0.00073465 = 3.9906 BTC [-] [22:18]
asciilifeform we did talk about this. [22:19]
kakobrekla no need to rehash. [22:19]
asciilifeform !s bitsquatting [22:19]
assbot 5 results for 'bitsquatting' : [22:19]
kakobrekla ah that [22:20]
kakobrekla nvm [22:20]
asciilifeform ^ re: the evil addr thing [22:20]
asciilifeform re: x86 << remember the stories of downed pilots dining on insects? that. [22:21]
kakobrekla myea [22:21]
kakobrekla dunno when the dignity kicks in [22:22]
mircea_popescu if you ended up stranded on the island of ugly women, you WOULD fuck ugly women, until they had some less ugly daughters to fuck [22:22]
mircea_popescu incest selection! [22:22]
asciilifeform there we go. [22:22]
mircea_popescu then you'd make the two least ugly make out together, too. [22:22]
kakobrekla personal decision really. [22:22]
mircea_popescu which is kinda what we're doing here. [22:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no homo ? [22:23]
kakobrekla no homo. [22:23]
mircea_popescu nttawwi [22:23]
kakobrekla you can as well not fuck. [22:24]
kakobrekla and i mean anything. [22:24]
mircea_popescu right. but you are here. [22:24]
asciilifeform you can as well not fuck << the perelman solution, yes. [22:24]
kakobrekla yup [22:24]
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asciilifeform i personally know fine folks who've perelmanned. e.g., al schwartz. i miss them, but understand. [22:25]
kakobrekla i guess he has the dignity. [22:25]
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mircea_popescu [22:25]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla the dignity of virgins is a metaphysical subject. [22:25]
kakobrekla cool, i like meta. [22:26]
bounce tiger dogs. very chinese thing to do. [22:29]
kakobrekla only if they are eaten [22:29]
mircea_popescu assbot: NOT OK GOOGLE: Android images can conceal code The Register << steganography strikes again. hard as shit to filter. [22:29]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: <<< lol this is just about right. [22:30]
asciilifeform hard as shit to filter << rigorously provably impossible. [22:30]
asciilifeform in the general case. [22:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00073632 = 6.5532 BTC [+] {2} [22:31]
mircea_popescu well sure, but the general case is uncommon :D [22:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7492 @ 0.00073769 = 5.5268 BTC [+] [22:32]
asciilifeform obligatory: <<<< and grep for 'polyglot' [22:32]
assbot corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting [22:32]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: ikr [22:33]
bounce how do they manage to take a picture and end up feeding it to the package installer? o_O [22:33]
mircea_popescu because user friendly ? [22:34]
mircea_popescu pretty sure the paclkage manager handles pics on a routine basis [22:34]
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bounce then I'd say "user friendly" is the security vulnerability here [22:34]
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mircea_popescu well yes, idiot user is the vulnerability. [22:35]
bounce similarly with some of the vectors to use shell shock. how does a dns lookup request end up on the server being fed to a bash process, exactly? [22:35]
mircea_popescu that was biw. [22:36]
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mircea_popescu ;;ud biw [22:36]
gribble | Apr 28, 2012 ... biw. A common used phrase on the internet in the Netherlands. It means 'ben ik weer' - 'i'm back'. 'Biw, is er iets mis?' - 'Biw, is there something ... [22:36]
asciilifeform ultimately, looking for vulns in a system that doesn't fit in a head is rather like looking for particular health problems in a fresh corpse. [22:36]
mircea_popescu mno. "because it works" [22:36]
bounce "idiot user" is too easily said. the real problem is lack of education and devs going "oh we'll make the software SMRT so you don't have to think at all!" [22:37]
asciilifeform for idiot users - idiot vulns. for clever users - clever ones. to each - his own. [22:39]
mircea_popescu bounce you mayhap have a point. iirc this vuln was writing past the end tag and adding a 2nd spurious end tag. [22:40]
mircea_popescu could have been used to exploit say tar just as well. [22:40]
mircea_popescu so not really user's fault in any sense. bad parsers. [22:40]
mircea_popescu $depth S.QNTR [22:41]
empyex mircea_popescu: Want a bash? Or use a valid MPSIC! [22:41]
mircea_popescu $depth S.MPOE [22:41]
empyex mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Bids: 13705 @ 0.00073465 27750 @ 0.00073452 14087 @ 0.00073449 13975 @ 0.00073433 [22:41]
empyex mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Asks: 3774 @ 0.00073585 2768 @ 0.00073769 40436 @ 0.00074160 5200 @ 0.00074177 [22:41]
mircea_popescu FabianB any idea why it doesn't like qntr ? [22:42]
kakobrekla prolly nothing the the your feed [22:42]
kakobrekla -the [22:42]
kakobrekla wtf [22:42]
kakobrekla i cant even type [22:42]
mircea_popescu << it's there. [22:42]
kakobrekla !t m s.qntr [22:43]
kakobrekla emmm [22:43]
assbot Some are born to endless night. [22:43]
mircea_popescu well no tickers it never traded yt [22:43]
mod6 mpex seems down for me. [22:43]
mircea_popescu $proxies [22:43]
empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [22:43]
kakobrekla !t m s.mpoe [22:43]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073465 / 0.00073821 / 0.0007416 (1074379 shares, 793.12 BTC), 7D: 0.0007342 / 0.00073847 / 0.00074252 (7160396 shares, 5,287.81 BTC), 30D: 0.00073316 / 0.0007424 / 0.00075684 (26086000 shares, 19,366.28 BTC) [22:43]
mod6 lemme [22:44]
kakobrekla that werks [22:44]
empyex mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: (94 milliseconds), (446 milliseconds), (4839 milliseconds), (error), (error) [22:44]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yes becasuse s.mpoe traded. [22:44]
empyex mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [22:44]
mod6 huh [22:44]
BingoBoingo ;;isup [22:44]
gribble is up [22:44]
mod6 hmm. i can't get to any of 'em, maybe i r blocked [22:44]
kakobrekla yes i understand, i was just checking if there something wrong with the feed when mod6 mentioned 'down' [22:44]
mircea_popescu ;;isup [22:44]
jurov bz/biz up here [22:44]
gribble is up [22:44]
mircea_popescu mod6 possibly a dns isasue ? nobody;'s blocked. [22:45]
mircea_popescu pls to check for cache poisonings! [22:45]
mod6 hmm. ill see. [22:45]
mircea_popescu and let me know [22:45]
* assbot removes voice from bradedwards [22:45]
kakobrekla im listening to some french dude and can hardly assemble sentences at same time [22:45]
kakobrekla doesnt happen with englishmen [22:46]
mircea_popescu maybe he's a rapper ? [22:46]
bounce how about trying to assemble french sentences? [22:46]
kakobrekla takes too much brainpower to parse and decrypt frenchmen [22:46]
mircea_popescu lol [22:47]
mircea_popescu this is how they went from world empire to belgian suburb. [22:47]
diametric [22:48]
assbot Warren Buffett's Berkshire loses $2 billion in two days - Oct. 21, 2014 [22:48]
diametric lolz. [22:48]
mircea_popescu o noes ?! [22:48]
kakobrekla no link to bitbet? [22:49]
mircea_popescu llol [22:50]
mircea_popescu cnn is a libtard venue i read somewhere. [22:50]
mircea_popescu but i mean big fucking deal, when bitcoin went from 1200 to 600 i "lost" like a bn too. [22:51]
asciilifeform no link to bitbet << It Would Be Wrong! (TM) [22:51]
mircea_popescu But it's not all bad news for Berkshire. Investors are sticking with their icon. Berkshire stock climbed slightly on Monday and Tuesday, and is up more than 17% this year -- far outpacing the broader market. <<< consider this lulz. [22:52]
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mircea_popescu ko missed, tesco lost 50% yoy, ibm just paid a bn to gut itself. so now it's basically a real estate agent (as previously discussed, in these very logs, before the news hit) [22:52]
mircea_popescu yet the berkshire stock is... up. because logics. [22:52]
undata "sticking with their icon" captures it [22:53]
mircea_popescu so i guess we'll be... sticking it to them ? [22:53]
mircea_popescu with their iron ? [22:53]
mike_c berkshire isn't a holding company. [22:54]
mike_c or, an investment fund. [22:54]
mike_c couple stock holdings taking a hit isn't that big a deal [22:54]
mircea_popescu how isn't it a holding company ?! [22:55]
mike_c s/holding company/investment fund/ [22:55]
mircea_popescu ah [22:55]
mircea_popescu if it loses the usg bezzle lifeline (wf) it's gonna be "all" rather than "some" tho. [22:56]
mike_c your FUD won't win you that bitbet ;) [22:56]
mircea_popescu lolk [22:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00073459 = 7.0888 BTC [-] {2} [22:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, i wonder if his continued purchases as the stock market goes down indicate that the bonds will get axed or that he's out of the loop [22:58]
BingoBoingo ;;isup [22:59]
mike_c berkshire wells fargo holdings are currently worth $24B [22:59]
gribble is down [22:59]
mircea_popescu look at that, dow is only down 1.5% today [22:59]
mircea_popescu nowai again ?! [22:59]
BingoBoingo Again [23:00]
mike_c which represents 7% of brk.a market cap [23:00]
mike_c plus he would get good tax benefits if it went to 0 [23:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo there's a dns issue in progress. [23:00]
BingoBoingo Ah, ic [23:01]
mircea_popescu can you reach it via ip ? [23:01]
mike_c warren has a fortress. not easily assailable. [23:01]
mircea_popescu mike_c except if the dow continues doing 1-2 percents a day for the next three months. [23:01]
kakobrekla asciilifeform iirc you mentioned some skin irritation/allergies and the lack of those in ro? [23:02]
BingoBoingo IP Address - 149,233 other sites hosted on this server per [23:02]
mike_c last 3 months: dow -5%, brk +7% [23:02]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dns poisoned! [23:02]
BingoBoingo I dunno just quoting site that calls itself "domain tools" [23:02]
mircea_popescu nuts. [23:02]
BingoBoingo the may simply be a historical record [23:02]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: yes. i've a year-round allergy from 1993 or so to present time, with small break during trip to Ro [23:02]
kakobrekla at least now _we_ know the cause. [23:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo << that's how dns response should look [23:03]
assbot ;; QUESTION SECTION: ; ;; ANSWER SECTION: - [23:03]
gribble Error: "QUESTION" is not a valid command. [23:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo is localhost. [23:03]
BingoBoingo Website works [23:03]
mike_c *** can't find Server failed [23:04]
mircea_popescu there's some sort of dns attax at work. [23:04]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I know local host, but didn't point there at one point? [23:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not recently tho [23:04]
bounce SERVFAIL. oopsie. [23:04]
mircea_popescu da fuck. [23:04]
mircea_popescu well, until i hear any better this is neither malicious nor qntra/polimedia ns specific. [23:05]
mircea_popescu some dns infrastructure just caught fire and fell over it seems [23:05]
mike_c yeah, your nameservers [23:05]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_ [23:05]
mircea_popescu mike_c no, because they answer me. [23:05]
bounce you may have a local cache that hasn't timed out yet [23:06]
mircea_popescu hm. [23:06]
kakobrekla asciilifeform its x86. [23:06]
bounce what was that across-the-globe dns thingy again? [23:06]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: the cause << lol, berkshire? [23:07]
mike_c nslookup [23:07]
Apocalyptic bounce, ? [23:07]
assbot Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? [23:07]
mike_c Server failed [23:07]
kakobrekla asciilifeform x86, transmittable over irc [23:07]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: loltron. nah, we had an 'iskra' (8086 clone originally built for soviet tanks.) so no dice. [23:07]
kakobrekla well viruses and bacteria evolve. [23:08]
bounce yes, thanks. broken everywhere. [23:08]
mircea_popescu yeah it's broken. [23:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18492 @ 0.00073708 = 13.6301 BTC [+] {3} [23:15]
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mircea_popescu i dunno how the fuck i keep getting spam then, hesus. [23:24]
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cazalla qntra down eh [23:30]
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mircea_popescu cazalla some dns issue i dunno wtf it is but being workt on [23:30]
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asciilifeform does nubs have a deturdified bitcoind src? [23:32]
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jurov is there a consensus what should therealbitcoin host? only http git repo for now? [23:34]
kakobrekla host the real altcoin? [23:34]
kakobrekla i make a joke see [23:34]
bounce oh. ha ha. so, [x] laughed. next item. [23:35]
mike_c in short order it will be hosting the charter i assume. [23:35]
kakobrekla jurov is gonna get ddosed [23:35]
asciilifeform i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect. [23:36]
FabianB $depth S.QNTR [23:37]
empyex FabianB: [S.QNTR] Bids: 1000 @ 0.00014000 10000 @ 0.00013514 20000 @ 0.00012995 100000 @ 0.00009995 [23:37]
empyex FabianB: [S.QNTR] Asks: [23:37]
asciilifeform -- and that way the www site can be 100 percent static. [23:37]
FabianB mircea_popescu: ^^ fixed [23:38]
FabianB $mpexstatus [23:38]
empyex FabianB: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [23:38]
empyex FabianB: MPEx-Status: (706 milliseconds), (947 milliseconds), (error), (error), (error) [23:38]
empyex FabianB: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: ✗ [23:38]
jurov okay, so i'll go make s3 bucket for it. if someone throws terabytes/day on it and makes it expensive for me then we'll see what next [23:39]
kakobrekla depth up vwap down ?? [23:39]
kakobrekla well it doesnt need to be up at all times [23:40]
kakobrekla just that host doesnt kick you [23:40]
FabianB jurov: mircea_popescu: why is and different? [23:40]
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kakobrekla cause one is coinbr [23:41]
kakobrekla and the other is mpex [23:41]
kakobrekla :) [23:41]
jurov FabianB: mircea asked for it to be cached [23:41]
FabianB ic, so coinbr is older [23:41]
jurov so it is 5 mins or so. [23:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00073942 = 6.9505 BTC [+] [23:41]
FabianB jurov: but and look identical [23:42]
FabianB jurov: is vwap and depth mixed up? [23:42]
jurov obv they aren't cached/invalidated at the same time [23:42]
FabianB jurov: no, coinbr vwap.php shows mktdepth.php content [23:43]
jurov ahhh [23:43]
FabianB that's why mpexstatus shows vwap as being broken i think [23:43]
FabianB it only checks the health indicator line for the first proxy (fastest ping proxy), which above was coinbr proxy [23:44]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: ^^ fixed < ty! [23:44]
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mircea_popescu oh interesting huh [23:45]
asciilifeform i dare suggest a simple antisp4mz0r filter for mailing list - only messages signed from +v #b-a folks accepted. [23:45]
mircea_popescu what, just like deeds registrar ? [23:45]
kakobrekla bitbet - worst support ever! [23:45]
mircea_popescu so basically... deeds-based mail list ? [23:45]
asciilifeform aha. [23:46]
kakobrekla just like asciilifeform slaves in the us i must talk to strangers over email :( [23:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla at least you don;t have to moderate for child porn. [23:47]
kakobrekla yet [23:47]
kakobrekla i was assbot the other day [23:47]
kakobrekla recall that? [23:47]
mircea_popescu oh [23:47]
asciilifeform i should clarify, not literal +v, incl. 'up' folks. the magic 29 pubkeys. [23:48]
asciilifeform will work, fleanode or no fleanode [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00073942 = 3.845 BTC [+] [23:49]
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kakobrekla better than ignoring the sender would be making the sender unable to send in the first place. [23:50]
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mircea_popescu gotta start somewhere [23:52]
asciilifeform i confess that i rather like the mailing list idea. readily convertible to 'apocalyptic' shortwave radio... [23:53]
bounce shortwave radio mailing lists? o_O? [23:54]
* assbot gives voice to PeterL [23:54]
asciilifeform if you can get a signed gibblet in, by land, by sea, by pigeon - and signature is one of the chosen - message is in next broadcast. 'cheap and angry' - like 'mpex' et al. [23:54]
* bounce would like bitcoin address-signed mail. if you're going ahead with the signage requirement, lemme see if I can whip up a verifier for that. [23:55]
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cazalla mircea_popescu: cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past. <<< what a fucking cunt [23:55]
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Apocalyptic "bitcoin address-signed mail" // meh, what's wrong with gpg keys ? [23:55]
asciilifeform bad enough that btc uses ecdsa. i rather wish it were something that could be discouraged, rather than we were to depend yet more on it. [23:56]
BingoBoingo ^ this [23:56]
Apocalyptic ^ [23:56]
bounce the email signage is clunky. both kinds. all kinds, really. [23:56]
mircea_popescu ;;isup [23:56]
gribble is up [23:56]
bounce the ecdsa stuff is short enough to fit conveniently in a header or two [23:56]
mircea_popescu okay. i have nfi what happened there, but rolled new dns servers and all seems well ? [23:56]
mircea_popescu bounce what'd be the benefit ? [23:57]
asciilifeform bounce: re: short & convenient ecdsa keys << 'the easy cheese lives - in the mousetrap.' [23:57]
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nubbins` someone more familiar with github than I should probably set up the repository [23:58]
nubbins` just clone 0.5.3 into it for now and we can identify what gets chucked from there [23:58]
mircea_popescu wow the oiriginal nubbins! [23:58]
Apocalyptic nubbins`, I think jurov is on it [23:58]
mircea_popescu hey listen we had an impostor here for days [23:58]
bounce no ugly as fuck crap added to the body, basically. proper integration with email by using its facilities instead of reinventing them, clunkily. [23:58]
nubbins` mircea_popescu am i even better in person?! [23:58]
mircea_popescu it was like... let's string him along guyse [23:58]
nubbins` mp i hope you tricked him into thinking he was gonna print a bunch of stuff [23:59]
mircea_popescu bounce i was talking about "sign with bitcoin address" [23:59]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no, asciilifeform did that. [23:59]
mircea_popescu it was a riot, you shoulda seen [23:59]
nubbins` heh [23:59]
bounce and so was I [23:59]
nubbins` imagine! [23:59]
mircea_popescu bounce i do not use an "email client" that's gpg able [23:59]
BingoBoingo My worry with ECDSA for signing critical things is using the same keypair too many times increases the chances a bad k can enter the mix [23:59]
mircea_popescu nor do i think it's a half -good idea. [23:59]
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