Forum logs for 21 Mar 2016
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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zdm | Hello | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | who might you be, zdm ? | [00:12] |
zdm | Just an internet stranger | [00:13] |
zdm | Been reading a lot of loper-os.org posts | [00:13] |
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BingoBoingo | https://archive.is/nSGUC | [00:51] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8701 @ 0.00041886 = 3.6445 BTC [-] | [02:46] |
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BingoBoingo | http://www.plateoftheday.com/food_blog/brownie.gif | [03:55] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiTJKY ) | [03:55] |
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punkman | http://www.polymagnet.com/polymagnets/ | [04:09] |
assbot | Polymagnets - Correlated Magnetics ... ( http://bit.ly/22xRQyf ) | [04:10] |
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hanbot | mod6 index idea could work, obvs hinges on whether i manage to organize something more precise/inclusive than a keyword grep'd put out. i'll look at it tomorrow/tues and report back. | [04:20] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00041707 = 11.6571 BTC [-] | [04:21] |
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deedbot- | [Qntra] Roger VERified Outlet Gets Into Ether Huffing - http://qntra.net/2016/03/roger-verified-outlet-gets-into-ether-huffing/ | [04:42] |
mircea_popescu | hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag |
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mircea_popescu | dunno that it'd fix anything per se, but perhaps give us the tools to better approach the problem ? dunno. | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | technically this exists already, actually, we could do tag-gossipd-cipher and then http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22tag-gossipd-cipher%22 | [04:50] |
assbot | 0 results for '"tag-gossipd-cipher"' - #bitcoin-assets search | [04:50] |
BingoBoingo | lol be praised http://qntra.net/2016/03/woe-getting-business-internet-a-challenge-in-heart-of-silicon-valley/#comment-49211 | [04:51] |
assbot | Woe: Getting Business Internet A Challenge In Heart Of Silicon Valley | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/22rwiGN ) | [04:51] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo i have traveled to africa. unless one means specially designated experimental lab (some towns in south africa etc), internet connection is poor. | [04:52] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: I cannot help the lulz that commenters bring, but I can appreciate them | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | tru. | [04:53] |
BingoBoingo | Also in the latest qntra the Union flag as ether rag is apparently a srs thing, except they call it the "American" flag | [04:57] |
BingoBoingo | fucking yankees | [04:57] |
BingoBoingo | ;;bc,stats | [04:59] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 403600 | Current Difficulty: 1.6549683511822635E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 405215 | Next Difficulty In: 1615 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [04:59] |
BingoBoingo | ;;nethash | [04:59] |
gribble | 1140007245.47 | [04:59] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market all | [04:59] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 407.04, vol: 2161.73180920 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 410.998, vol: 3253.80324 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 407.98, vol: 5531.21963537 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 400.01, vol: 2.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 412.206, vol: 22003.15730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.9, vol: 866.4854354 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 410.166468, vol: 10.65217551 | Volume-weighted last average: 410.956904542 | [04:59] |
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deedbot- | [Trilema] Slums of Beverly Hills - http://trilema.com/2016/slums-of-beverly-hills/ | [05:46] |
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BingoBoingo | gribble seems a bit under the weather today | [09:06] |
BingoBoingo | ;;goxlag | [09:06] |
gribble | Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command. | [09:06] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market all | [09:06] |
BingoBoingo | ;;bc,stats | [09:06] |
BingoBoingo | ;;nethash | [09:06] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 403624 | Current Difficulty: 1.6549683511822635E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 405215 | Next Difficulty In: 1591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [09:06] |
gribble | 1134139562.46 | [09:06] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 408.49, vol: 2712.98115715 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 411.373, vol: 4067.4134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 408.44, vol: 5606.41583417 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 400.01, vol: 2.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 413.89005, vol: 21416.36470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 408.807, vol: 949.43468092 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 410.885946, vol: 7.94305105 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) | [09:06] |
BingoBoingo | ;;more | [09:06] |
gribble | 412.154645761 | [09:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.NSA] 250000 @ 0.000085 = 21.25 BTC [-] | [09:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.NSA] 147392 @ 0.000085 = 12.5283 BTC [-] | [09:17] |
BingoBoingo | !t m s.nsa | [09:21] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0.000085 / 0.000085 / 0.000085 (454671 shares, 38.65 BTC), 7D: 0.000085 / 0.000085 / 0.000085 (454671 shares, 38.65 BTC), 30D: 0.000085 / 0.000085 / 0.000086 (457671 shares, 38.90 BTC) | [09:21] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437054 <<< logz!1111 >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2015#1336224 << the mega-thread re inqtel (cia-operated hedge fund) | [09:40] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 07:04:35; punkman: http://www.polymagnet.com/polymagnets/ | [09:40] |
assbot | Logged on 04-12-2015 04:06:08; asciilifeform: aaand this oddity, http://www.polymagnet.com | [09:40] |
* | BingoBoingo just figured the polymagnet thing was jsut the new "broken glass" | [09:50] |
BingoBoingo | But shittier | [09:50] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437059 << fixing the search so it actually behaves sanely (EQUIVALENT TO GREP) would be almost as useful | [09:50] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 07:43:11; mircea_popescu: hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag |
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asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: go buy and test, they are sold | [09:51] |
asciilifeform | a hundy or so gets you a dozen kinds iirc | [09:51] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 50000 @ 0.000209 = 10.45 BTC [-] | [10:05] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437065 << usaschwitz contains an africa : vast expanse of martian wasteland ~nobody gives half a shit about. it also contains a westerneurope: buncha decayed overcivilized folk with excess money that 'has to be harvested back from them or hyperinflation comes'. each of these prison zones gets abysmal net pipe for own reason. | [10:07] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 07:47:15; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i have traveled to africa. unless one means specially designated experimental lab (some towns in south africa etc), internet connection is poor. | [10:07] |
asciilifeform | i live in the 'harvester'; BingoBoingo, i think - mars. | [10:09] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437052 << no copro!111 l0l | [10:11] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 06:49:38; BingoBoingo: http://www.plateoftheday.com/food_blog/brownie.gif | [10:11] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: They are having a hard time hiding the recycling nowadays | [10:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00041764 = 1.7541 BTC [+] | [10:24] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: shouldn't debug.log be rotated? | [10:29] |
thestringpuller | my debug.log file is now 200 megs | [10:29] |
thestringpuller | manual process daily to rotate?!? | [10:29] |
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shinohai | mv debug.log logs/$(date -d "today" +"%Y%m%d%H%M").log | [10:34] |
thestringpuller | aha logrotate | [10:37] |
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shinohai | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ubuntubsd-first-release <<< I think I threw up a little when I read this. | [10:53] |
assbot | UbuntuBSD Brings Ubuntu Atop The FreeBSD Kernel - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj8A88 ) | [10:53] |
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shinohai | Marrying Ubuntu to anything makes me slightly queasy. | [11:23] |
BingoBoingo | !b 2 | [11:26] |
assbot | Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25N0KYV.txt ) | [11:26] |
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assbot | [35/100] "What is Bitcoin?" silkscreened posters [UPDATED DESIGN FOR 2016] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScXeSA ) | [11:36] |
mircea_popescu | actually ubuntu sounds like a pretty decent name for the chicks BingoBoingo links. | [11:42] |
shinohai | lol | [11:42] |
mircea_popescu | "way down deep in the middle of the jungle a hippo humped a manatee and spawned a scary daughter - i know, we'll call her ubuntu!" | [11:43] |
gribble | funkenstein was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 43 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: |
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gribble | The operation succeeded. | [11:44] |
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BingoBoingo | !up jjb1212 | [11:51] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.NSA] 42429 @ 0.000085 = 3.6065 BTC [-] | [11:54] |
asciilifeform | 'The inaugural release of UbuntuBSD is now available, which the developers have codenamed "Escape From SystemD", and pairs the Ubuntu userspace with the FreeBSD kernel. ' << l0l! | [11:58] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437115 << folks with a crapple box are in for a treat when viewing this link | [11:58] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 13:48:22; shinohai: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ubuntubsd-first-release <<< I think I threw up a little when I read this. | [11:58] |
asciilifeform | (pops up a spam with 'your browser is infected!111 call this toll free number!11 complete with faux 'bsod' with vague mac theme, etc) | [11:59] |
asciilifeform | ^ was 'malvertising', could not replicate for screenshot | [11:59] |
phf | http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2016/03/open-letter-devoted-party-members-urge-xis-resignation/ is shit going down in china? | [12:01] |
assbot | Loyal Party Members Urge Xi's Resignation - China Digital Times (CDT) ... ( http://bit.ly/1T45qXA ) | [12:01] |
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asciilifeform | phf: dirty emigre press | [12:03] |
BingoBoingo | lol http://qntra.net/2016/03/roger-verified-outlet-gets-into-ether-huffing/#comment-49226 | [12:03] |
assbot | Roger VERified Outlet Gets Into Ether Huffing | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sd01v1 ) | [12:03] |
BingoBoingo | https://archive.is/Cc4Gx WIN | [12:18] |
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* | asciilifeform learns that there is/was some linux distro called... Pidora. almost fell off his chair. | [12:21] |
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phf | rpi fedora, that's apropos naming right there | [12:23] |
asciilifeform | oughta be renamed to 'pedora' so that engl. speakerz might make sense of the true meaning!11 | [12:24] |
jurov | have you ever explained how this really relates to pederasty? | [12:40] |
jurov | ah, it's in the logs, the prison thing | [12:41] |
mod6 | <+mircea_popescu> hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag |
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trinque | pffflol, dat variety speak! | [12:46] |
trinque | I'm open to something like that; I've been doing a lot of work on deedbot lately | [12:46] |
trinque | the cl-irc rewrite is nearly done... among other things, it can now, you know, stay online! | [12:47] |
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davout | I lol'd at bitbet's first bet: https://bitbet.us/bet/1 | [13:12] |
assbot | BitBet - Usagi FTW :: 0.11 B (14%) on Yes, 0.68 B (86%) on No | closed 3 years 6 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHvHKw ) | [13:12] |
BingoBoingo | lol | [13:14] |
BingoBoingo | more innocent times | [13:14] |
BingoBoingo | When middled aged teacher (or whatever) who thought they were japanese teenage girls were the biggest threat model | [13:15] |
mod6 | trinque: nice! | [13:16] |
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asciilifeform | https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5875 << mega-wankatron | [13:21] |
assbot | BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 80.22 B (54%) on Yes, 68.59 B (46%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1pXwgVL ) | [13:21] |
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jurov | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11317378 asciilifeform apparently you're not censored there anymore? | [14:02] |
assbot | Vectored Signatures | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1pvFQi8 ) | [14:02] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437161 << mega-l0l! which one of you jokers posted. | [14:03] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 16:56:58; jurov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11317378 asciilifeform apparently you're not censored there anymore? | [14:03] |
jurov | i don't have acct there, not interested so much as to solve their impossible captchas | [14:04] |
asciilifeform | they didn't even ~have~ captchas last time i logged in... | [14:05] |
jurov | not login, registration | [14:05] |
asciilifeform | ah | [14:05] |
asciilifeform | at any rate, to nobody's great surprise, rubbish site has rubbish commentz, and even these - few | [14:07] |
asciilifeform | but what i'd like to know is why none of you lot commented. | [14:07] |
asciilifeform | other than mircea_popescu who actually bothered to lift one hand | [14:07] |
asciilifeform | the thing is about an actual problem, that oughta be dealt with imho. | [14:08] |
jurov | oh, i like the proposal, except that i'm always two minds about anything | [14:08] |
asciilifeform | let's hear the two+ minds ? | [14:08] |
jurov | i mean, i'd prolly need one signature with "pros" and anther one with "cons" | [14:08] |
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asciilifeform | jurov: i initially thought about doing just 1 bit, 'sig' and 'antisig' | [14:10] |
asciilifeform | then expanded to 2, then 4, then whole byte which may be pushing it | [14:10] |
asciilifeform | (i found it necessary to distinguish signing 'i wrote this' from 'i modified' from 'i found it as is') | [14:10] |
asciilifeform | the dimensions i ended up with are not accidental | [14:11] |
asciilifeform | but literally the minimum i could think of. | [14:11] |
jurov | yes, that's fine and neat. | [14:13] |
asciilifeform | well not really, i'm not satisfied with the result. | [14:13] |
asciilifeform | it is clunky. | [14:14] |
jurov | but whole idea leans in the direction of peer review, which must be some text, not collection of flags | [14:14] |
BingoBoingo | [14:14] | |
asciilifeform | smacks of the rfc4880 idiocy | [14:14] |
asciilifeform | i even thought about subservient keys of some kind, to express disapproval / 'i-found-it-as-it-no-endorsement', etc. | [14:15] |
asciilifeform | but this is even worse. | [14:15] |
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jurov | i can see the signature rather like S-expression with ID of the signed artifact, approve/disapprove/etc. bits which could be parsed and would have room for free text with any other nuances the signer wanted to add | [14:19] |
trinque | that trends towards either enumerate-all-the-feelings or simply a wad of freeform text | [14:20] |
trinque | I prefer the latter | [14:20] |
trinque | a descriptive comment can explain why I signed just fine | [14:20] |
jurov | no, i mean free text + some indexable bits | [14:20] |
trinque | right, I am contradicting you :) | [14:20] |
trinque | why index and machine-process what should be read and considered by a brain? | [14:21] |
jurov | for poor vtron to be able to distinguish signatures and antisignatures | [14:22] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [14:22] |
trinque | the argument has yet to be made that I'd rather have your anti-signature override my other wot member's signature, rather than your persuasion elsewhere having caused me to delete his signature | [14:23] |
trinque | from my seals dir | [14:24] |
trinque | reminds me of key revocation actually, in the bad way | [14:24] |
jurov | no, not override anything, such thing is up for you to decide | [14:24] |
jurov | vtron would just say to you that the antisig from your wot exists | [14:25] |
trinque | how does it not trend towards facebook "reactions" for vpatches ? | [14:25] |
jurov | that would be bad thing? | [14:26] |
asciilifeform | trinque: consider a scenario where i review, e.g., glibc | [14:27] |
jurov | and if your wot peer starts spamming with facebooky comments, just remove him | [14:27] |
asciilifeform | and decide that it is a work of evil | [14:27] |
asciilifeform | whose key will you remove? drepper's ? which we never ~had to begin with~ ! | [14:27] |
asciilifeform | right now i am stuck simply ~refusing to sign~ as a means of expressing disapproval | [14:27] |
asciilifeform | which is moronic | [14:27] |
trinque | I have an easier time seeing the benefit of a single bit of tarnish + description why | [14:28] |
trinque | I don't think all the reasons for "why do I hate" can be represented usefully as a machine-grokkable header | [14:28] |
asciilifeform | trinque: and what if not tarnish, but the simple-attest-without-approval ? | [14:28] |
trinque | sign + description | [14:29] |
asciilifeform | as in the given example with mircea_popescu and vintage bitcoin | [14:29] |
trinque | "This is what it claims to be, and that is all I say about it." -- mp | [14:29] |
asciilifeform | my argument is that there is a handful of EXTREMELY common situations re: signing that DON'T resolve to 'i approve of this' | [14:30] |
asciilifeform | and that they are divisible into equivalence classes. | [14:30] |
trinque | perhaps; that's my first stab at a reaction | [14:30] |
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asciilifeform | and the point is not to excuse folks from the duty of writing comments | [14:30] |
asciilifeform | but to make sure that certain situations are impossible | [14:31] |
asciilifeform | i.e. of a vtron being confused by an enemy digging up ancient signed material. | [14:31] |
asciilifeform | and likewise to make 'collect the words of great dead sage into coherent whole' a more workable proposition. | [14:31] |
trinque | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321452 << obligatory thread | [14:34] |
assbot | Logged on 10-11-2015 22:25:29; mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn't "ours", no x's history isn't "ours". let them uphold it or le | [14:34] |
trinque | I see the benefit of "this seal is just a messenger" | [14:34] |
asciilifeform | trinque: you are reminding me of the thread where i refused to solve the problem v solves initially | [14:34] |
asciilifeform | because 'fuck you, collect patches and check sigs and determine order YOURSELF!111' | [14:34] |
asciilifeform | 'reactor rodz!1111' | [14:35] |
asciilifeform | but like it or not, we have right now a situation where folks are ~not signing patches. | [14:35] |
asciilifeform | i can only speak for myself re: why | [14:35] |
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asciilifeform | but imho i outlined a major reason. | [14:35] |
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asciilifeform | it was EMINENTLY possible to build trb pre-v. | [14:36] |
asciilifeform | yet various clever folks had trouble, e.g., mircea_popescu, hanbot | [14:36] |
asciilifeform | likewise it is possible to sign other folks' patches today. yet not so many of us are doing it. | [14:36] |
asciilifeform | and the all-or-nothing factor, i think, is part of it. | [14:37] |
asciilifeform | i, for instance, can't bring myself to sign anything from polarbeard. | [14:37] |
asciilifeform | nor do i have the stomach to sign v-genesis of ancient stuff, i struggled with the decision of whether to sign tinyscheme | [14:37] |
asciilifeform | because i DO NOT ENDORSE IT WHOLESALE | [14:38] |
asciilifeform | but there was no way to express this vtronically. | [14:38] |
asciilifeform | and this BLOWS. | [14:38] |
asciilifeform | http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected << see, for example. | [14:41] |
assbot | asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjoIXu ) | [14:41] |
asciilifeform | this patch has 'all signers: mircea_popescu trinque asciilifeform mod6' | [14:41] |
asciilifeform | NOBODY ELSE bothered ?! | [14:41] |
asciilifeform | not ben_vulpes, even ? | [14:42] |
asciilifeform | and this is a patch without which trb is ~dead in the water~ | [14:42] |
asciilifeform | so what should i conclude, that no one bothered to read ? to sign ? or that folks had reservations? which is it. | [14:42] |
asciilifeform | nobody, i should add, really oughta be signing unless he is ~sure~. but sure OF WHAT??? | [14:44] |
asciilifeform | signing presently conveys ONE BIT of info, and it means... mysql | [14:44] |
mod6 | <+asciilifeform> this patch has 'all signers: mircea_popescu trinque asciilifeform mod6' << i'll note that this signatures you're referencing are strictly for genesis.vpatch | [14:48] |
jurov | i consider whole trb thing as something that demands my full attention, and there's always something more urgent to do... | [14:48] |
jurov | maybe i should have been reading and signing patches instead of doing the mempool abortion | [14:48] |
mod6 | further, all other vpatches are signed by me and me and you. there are some you haven't signed either. | [14:49] |
mod6 | jurov: your mempool work was important. reading the vpatches and the ml and the SoBA is important too -- and iirc doesn't take that long to get through most of them at this point | [14:49] |
asciilifeform | mod6: definitely there are some i did not sign, i listed one earlier | [14:50] |
asciilifeform | and i'm not trying to be an arse to folks re: signing, but would like to know some of the ~reasons~ things aren't getting signed | [14:50] |
asciilifeform | i listed a big one for me. | [14:50] |
mod6 | yup ok | [14:50] |
trinque | sure, for me it's "I cannot yet swear an oath to this" and could instead say "I have been running deedbot atop this successfully for x months" | [14:51] |
asciilifeform | i still don't see why we can't have machine-distinguishability of 'i swear this is as i found it 5 years ago' vs 'i read and understood this' vs 'i wrote this and swear with my life that it will not fail' | [14:54] |
trinque | I can see the pragmatism of it | [14:54] |
asciilifeform | does anyone recall mircea_popescu's original push re: signing code ? | [14:55] |
asciilifeform | there was this notion that folks might read old stuff and sign a subset | [14:55] |
asciilifeform | well, the implicit 'i swear with my life to this' - leaves me reluctant to sign anything i did not write 100% of | [14:56] |
asciilifeform | and a pretty big chunk of my efforts in reading ~questionable crud~, which i do a great deal of, is wasted | [14:56] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: i've been waiting for the "what does a signature convey" conversation to sign anything. | [14:56] |
asciilifeform | in the sense that it leaves no serious perma-record. | [14:56] |
asciilifeform | see there we have it. | [14:56] |
ben_vulpes | right now, i expect to sign something half-baked that then crashes on some dirigible and gets me excommunicated | [14:57] |
ben_vulpes | there is, so far, no "this sucks, but it introduces no new lies" bit. | [14:57] |
asciilifeform | so this makes 2 of us. | [14:58] |
thestringpuller | can signatures have numerical notation like GPG trustdb? | [15:01] |
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asciilifeform | thestringpuller: scalar is mega-inadequate. | [15:02] |
asciilifeform | i rejected this idea immediately. | [15:02] |
thestringpuller | it needs to be discrete? | [15:02] |
asciilifeform | no, there is more than one dimension. | [15:03] |
thestringpuller | so what else is there? linear? parabolic? | [15:04] |
ben_vulpes | i was even uncomfortable signing the genesis vpatch. what does that even mean -- "this is actually some variant of satoshi's hairball"? | [15:05] |
ben_vulpes | "this bitcoinates - i do swear"? | [15:05] |
asciilifeform | see there we go | [15:05] |
asciilifeform | i signed it, but it had a distinct feel of falling on a necessary grenade | [15:05] |
ben_vulpes | "this may contain pernicious hdd-wrecking nasties i'm unaware of, but is the closest thing to a bitcoinator i know of"? | [15:05] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: didja read my modest proposal thing ? | [15:06] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: thoughts ? | [15:06] |
ben_vulpes | i did. | [15:06] |
ben_vulpes | still thinking. | [15:07] |
ben_vulpes | it hints at ameliorating my concerns. | [15:07] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437279 << quaternionic. | [15:12] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 17:59:11; thestringpuller: so what else is there? linear? parabolic? | [15:12] |
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thestringpuller | "In mathematical field of representation theory, a quaternionic representation is a representation on a complex vector space V with an invariant quaternionic structure" | [16:33] |
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jurov | thestringpuller: "complex vector space" sounds like fitting description of human attitude toward the matter being signed | [16:35] |
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jurov | btw, i have misread first mention of it as "vectored thrust" and imagined "wow S.NSA is finally onto ICBMs. Or space program?" | [16:39] |
asciilifeform | l0l | [16:41] |
mircea_popescu | jurov> and if your wot peer starts spamming with facebooky comments, just remove him << it's not so simple, really. it's not a sudden and visible thing, just slow slide towards shitworld where you wake up one day and wonder wtf happened. much like irl marriages. | [16:42] |
jurov | and sometimes it happens suddenly, like https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SWSqP8WFOdQ/Vu68Q-o05wI/AAAAAAAAJu0/rMYkpDTWpGk/w441-h221-no/rabbit%2Bpop.gif | [16:43] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1UJwZ8z ) | [16:43] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [16:43] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes> right now, i expect to sign something half-baked that then crashes on some dirigible and gets me excommunicated << this is a very cogent point ; and i feel rather the same way. | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | haha win | [16:46] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: imho single-bit scalar pgp is rather like car with sole control being a gas pedal. | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | i imagine that's a rabbit with a whiplash sore penis huh | [16:46] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: i invite you to comment on my post, possibly suggest a cleaner solution to the problem ? | [16:48] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: because there is a very real problem. | [16:48] |
mod6 | <+asciilifeform> well, the implicit 'i swear with my life to this' - leaves me reluctant to sign anything i did not write 100% of << and who's to say, even if you wrote everything at one layer, that something doesn't fuck you in the butt from a layer below? we don't have computers. never did. | [16:49] |
asciilifeform | mod6: separate issue. | [16:50] |
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mod6 | but "i swear this werks!!", then someone runs your shit and it ~should~ work, but doesn't because of unforseen hardware, or configuration or cosmic rays. | [16:50] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 that is the crux of the problem. there is no such thing as separatability in software anyway. | [16:50] |
asciilifeform | ~this~ being specifically the this that you wrote. | [16:50] |
mod6 | nothing is certain. | [16:51] |
asciilifeform | ~this~ aspect is separable. | [16:51] |
mod6 | we're all just rolling the dice. | [16:51] |
asciilifeform | 'why wash hands? patients will die anyway' | [16:51] |
asciilifeform | nonsense. | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, the issue of "it's kernel's fault" "no dude is program's fault" requires very complex analysis most people are unable to engage in, and in any case unable to finance even if they could somehow engage in it | [16:51] |
mod6 | hey hey | [16:51] |
mod6 | it doesn't mean that it's still not probablistic. | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | basically giving the day to the usual obamas with simple ideas and an insistence to repeat their nonsense. | [16:52] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: since when do we 'most people' | [16:52] |
mod6 | 99.9995% of time it works. except for when it doesnt. | [16:52] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform since you caqn't stop talking to them. | [16:52] |
asciilifeform | l0l! | [16:52] |
mircea_popescu | now plox to let me be. | [16:52] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 in any case, the idea of responsibility in software is a lot more difficult to implement than previously hoped. | [16:52] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: eh i didn't wake you up, did i | [16:52] |
mod6 | mircea_popescu: well, indeed. i mean, i can "swear and affirm" that my code won't fail you, but really, I can't be certain one way or another. too many variables. | [16:53] |
mircea_popescu | and, importantly, if it WERE to fail, how would we resolve the problem if it is or it isn't your fault. | [16:54] |
asciilifeform | imho the concept of taking responsibility for ~the material you wrote~ is not a difficult one | [16:54] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, sure, not a difficult one for as long as one lives on imaginary half mil a year and theorizes away. in practice, it will not be seen, nor has it. | [16:54] |
mod6 | mircea_popescu: formally, a group would have to be constructed to investigate and analyze failures and place blame where beyond required -- if it can be proved beyond any doubt. | [16:55] |
mircea_popescu | and it is cheaper for this group to put forth an ideology than to do any actual investigative work | [16:55] |
mod6 | for sure | [16:55] |
mircea_popescu | much like it is cheaper for universities to universities than to actually teach anyone anything | [16:55] |
mod6 | hhaha | [16:55] |
mod6 | yes | [16:55] |
asciilifeform | no shit | [16:55] |
mircea_popescu | and moreover, even with the best of intentions, the defense of the group is expensive and arduous, and everyone's got better shit to do. | [16:56] |
mod6 | we're just at this moment in history where everything sucks., | [16:56] |
mod6 | we have no computers, we have almost no sound money, everything is faux. | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | like in that film with the guy who keeps waking up in the same place. | [16:56] |
asciilifeform | we are, however, overrun with vermin, and this opens up astonishing perspectives in pesticidal work | [16:57] |
mod6 | until we have computers, and i mean "have computers" in the sense that alf would be happy to say he has a "comptuer", whatever that means. | [16:57] |
mod6 | we can't have real true responsibiltiy of code ownership. | [16:57] |
asciilifeform | mod6: last week i finally built... a computer. | [16:57] |
asciilifeform | it runs on a 6502 ! | [16:57] |
mod6 | no way | [16:57] |
mod6 | no fucking way | [16:57] |
asciilifeform | you will prolly not want one. | [16:57] |
asciilifeform | promise. | [16:57] |
mod6 | i may want one! | [16:58] |
mod6 | is it deterministic?! | [16:58] |
mod6 | turing complete? | [16:58] |
asciilifeform | yes. | [16:58] |
asciilifeform | but you already have, chances are, a 6502 micro somewhere in the cellar. | [16:58] |
mod6 | well, maybe alf is farther along on this journey than anyone had thought. and maybe "sucks" is only very temporary. | [16:58] |
mircea_popescu | maybe. | [16:59] |
mod6 | but until we all have shit that doesn't suck... we're kinda just waiting until it doens't suck. in the context of blame and "i don't have to /hope/ this thing works, I know mod6 said it does, ergo, it works." | [16:59] |
asciilifeform | mod6: it is a parachute, in case certain things happen. | [16:59] |
mod6 | is the 6502 those cocaine looking packages you got? | [16:59] |
asciilifeform | mod6: that was support chipset, and a buncha z80 | [16:59] |
mod6 | ah. thats right. | [17:00] |
asciilifeform | (largely 74xxx logic, and buncha srams, eproms) | [17:00] |
mod6 | anyway, sorry for the rant. but it is not lost on me how hosed up "computer land" is these days. | [17:00] |
mod6 | its like a house in malibu, built on stilts, on the side of a hill that mud slides after .25" of rain. | [17:01] |
asciilifeform | mod6: which is why islands of sanity are ~everything~. | [17:01] |
mod6 | worse probably. | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | the one problematic part is that stilts or no stilts, the product is actually very well adapted to the market it serves. | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | not like the actual malibu dwellers are coerced to live in the vinyl sidings abominations. meeting of the minds. | [17:03] |
asciilifeform | real-airplane is largely wasted on aborigines, aha | [17:03] |
mod6 | haha. | [17:11] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437332 << troika will decide!111 | [17:11] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 19:48:46; mircea_popescu: and, importantly, if it WERE to fail, how would we resolve the problem if it is or it isn't your fault. | [17:11] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437334 << the distance from workable theory to cold iron here is quite short, and eminently bridgeable. if we had the usable theory. which is a problem i was taking a stab at. | [17:14] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 19:49:37; mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, not a difficult one for as long as one lives on imaginary half mil a year and theorizes away. in practice, it will not be seen, nor has it. | [17:14] |
asciilifeform | i keep getting the feeling that we only half-solved vtronics | [17:15] |
asciilifeform | in the same sense that, e.g., edison, half-solved electric grid distribution | [17:15] |
asciilifeform | now i could be wrong, entirely, and this-is-as-solved-as-it-gets | [17:15] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437337 << the way i see it, the 'punishment' aspect of vtronics is secondary. the main thing is that ACTUAL PEOPLE, i.e. folks willing to ~take responsibility for their actions~, could find and recognize each other. | [17:20] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 19:50:15; mircea_popescu: and it is cheaper for this group to put forth an ideology than to do any actual investigative work | [17:20] |
mod6 | maybe having different keys (key certifing "i read this" [eyes] / "I wrote this" [hands] / ... etc.) is an analog for the polyphase system that replaced it. | [17:20] |
asciilifeform | mod6: multitudes of keys are iffy | [17:20] |
mod6 | and you sign your vtron keys with your one regular key? i dunno. | [17:20] |
asciilifeform | i actually considered this, in the beginning. | [17:21] |
asciilifeform | 'subkeys' suck donkey ballz. | [17:22] |
mod6 | <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437337 << the way i see it, the 'punishment' aspect of vtronics is secondary. the main thing is that ACTUAL PEOPLE, i.e. folks willing to ~take responsibility for their actions~, could find and recognize each other. << i think so too. but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. | [17:22] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 19:50:15; mircea_popescu: and it is cheaper for this group to put forth an ideology than to do any actual investigative work | [17:22] |
mod6 | I think if people can make punishment first, they will. cause no == yes && yes == anal. | [17:22] |
mod6 | who's to say what is anything | [17:23] |
mod6 | Welcome nihlistic Monday | [17:23] |
asciilifeform | whole point of the instrument is to ~make it possible for there to be such a thing as a Who~ | [17:24] |
asciilifeform | just as running water strongly enables, but does not guarantee, hygiene | [17:24] |
asciilifeform | folks still gotta take the time to wash. | [17:24] |
mod6 | without quality random numbers, we can't have certifiable cryptographic identities. | [17:24] |
mod6 | who's to say anyone is anyone when P & Q are fingerfucked by the NSA or other spooks. | [17:25] |
asciilifeform | !s the man who was thursday | [17:26] |
assbot | 8 results for 'the man who was thursday' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=the+man+who+was+thursday | [17:26] |
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asciilifeform | am i the only one here right now who isn't sitting in a dark room with a bottle of vodka and loaded nagant ? | [17:26] |
mod6 | im no | [17:28] |
mod6 | t | [17:28] |
mod6 | anyway, that looks like an interesting novel. | [17:28] |
davout | asciilifeform: with tmsr~ spanning a few timezones, there's bound to always be someone with an open bottle | [17:29] |
mod6 | But my good man, a serious cornerstone / building block to sanity and in the direction of "workable" computer will come when your work is complete and I can get quality random numbers. | [17:29] |
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mod6 | other than some otp | [17:30] |
asciilifeform | mod6: what do you mean 'some otp' | [17:30] |
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pete_dushenski | !s stuck node | [17:31] |
assbot | 22 results for 'stuck node' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stuck+node | [17:31] |
asciilifeform | mod6: and i probably ought to point out that 'quality random' was baked long ago, ben_vulpes actually took a sample unit home after c3... | [17:31] |
mod6 | one guy! | [17:31] |
mod6 | ook anyway, one time pad - i can create with dice no? | [17:31] |
mod6 | now i gotta dig something up on trilema. thought there was an article? | [17:31] |
pete_dushenski | http://dpaste.com/1PHC5RR.txt << my last 1000 lines of debug.log on my own stuck node, if anyone's interested | [17:31] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1U2gm93 ) | [17:31] |
asciilifeform | mod6: debiasing dice is a bitch | [17:32] |
pete_dushenski | it's jammed twice in the last week now. | [17:32] |
asciilifeform | pete_dushenski: how long has it been ? | [17:33] |
mod6 | asciilifeform: hm. im misremembering something. eitherway, outside of well, anywhere really, i can't think of a single place in the known universe where the nsa can't diddle your shit. | [17:33] |
pete_dushenski | asciilifeform: the most recent jam was at 403`396 | [17:33] |
asciilifeform | mod6: i am comfortable in the supposition that nsa cannot yet travel backwards in time. | [17:33] |
asciilifeform | nor perform 'esp' | [17:34] |
mod6 | we've got a lot of stuff to fabricate and create. | [17:34] |
asciilifeform | mod6: until then - to excavate. | [17:35] |
mod6 | ya. this hardware scares the bahjeesus out of me. | [17:35] |
asciilifeform | megatonnes of perfectly-good 1980s lsi lying around. | [17:35] |
mod6 | i want like some 1971 vac shit. | [17:35] |
mod6 | i think i need to start doing all of my computing with paper and pencil, in a room with no doors, no windows or lights. | [17:39] |
pete_dushenski | asciilifeform: the weirder thing is that the stuck node is on the physical box i have, not either of the two vpses i have. and all are running 99997k or 99996k. | [17:39] |
asciilifeform | mod6: l0l | [17:39] |
asciilifeform | mod6: and if you were thinking of vax, 1st one was sold in, iirc, '77 | [17:39] |
mod6 | ah,. yeah vax. i was kidding anyway. | [17:40] |
mod6 | i should look at some 80's hardware and see if I can spin up a rig. | [17:40] |
asciilifeform | mod6: i started with this. | [17:40] |
asciilifeform | mod6: prolly ought to share my observations here. | [17:40] |
asciilifeform | ~actual, whole~ '80s micro is a good toy and learning instrument, but poor foundation for a battlefield system. | [17:41] |
mod6 | ah. hrm. | [17:41] |
asciilifeform | largely because - while they were indeed built on top of some excellent 8-bit cpu, most of which can still be had - | [17:41] |
asciilifeform | they also contained various custom i/o, that is gnarly, of heavy incidental complexity, and - importantly - cannot be had in new production | [17:44] |
asciilifeform | and is not even in all cases 100% documented, so will be difficult to re-create. | [17:44] |
asciilifeform | in other instances, there are anachronisms that create wholly unnecessary problems, e.g., tape and extinct disk systems | [17:44] |
asciilifeform | whereas thing really oughta take modern 'flash' | [17:44] |
mod6 | Hmm. | [17:45] |
mod6 | pete_dushenski: i didn't see anything crazy in there. runnign with -connect or -addnode? | [17:45] |
mod6 | so i/o drivers need to be written by hand alf? | [17:46] |
asciilifeform | mod6: 'drivers' is not really a meaningful concept on a 64k box | [17:46] |
mod6 | heheh | [17:46] |
asciilifeform | this, i must add, is not an official s.nsa project of any kind. but it is there on my desk with a dozen other items of 'parachute' variety | [17:47] |
asciilifeform | i once decided to determine the simplest box that could be assembled from readily-available (preferebly, sov-block) components, that could GENERATE and OPERATE a reasonable onetimepad. | [17:47] |
asciilifeform | and carry out certain other operations | [17:48] |
mod6 | is it crazy to think that said chip you're talking about be re-constructed on a fpga, perhaps many of them on one fpga? | [17:48] |
asciilifeform | (e.g., lamport signature; burn & verify eproms; etc) | [17:48] |
pete_dushenski | mod6: -connect | [17:48] |
asciilifeform | mod6: you could fit 500 of them on a cheap fpga. but you will be using an AMERICAN FPGA | [17:48] |
pete_dushenski | mod6: to two of the b-a nodes and one of my own | [17:48] |
asciilifeform | y'know, the ones with 0 docs | [17:48] |
mod6 | once fully sync'd pete_dushenski, make a back up your your block chain, and then use -addnode | [17:49] |
pete_dushenski | mod6: will do :] | [17:49] |
mod6 | -connect is great for getting blocks from a trusted node, but you're only connected to just that node. so if there is some sort of blocking issue... you might get starved. | [17:49] |
mod6 | asciilifeform: do any worthwhile FPGAs' with open docs exist at any price? | [17:50] |
asciilifeform | mod6: nope. | [17:50] |
mod6 | you've been over this a hundred times im sure. | [17:50] |
mod6 | sorry. | [17:50] |
mod6 | goddamnit. we need some sane hardware and quality random numbers. | [17:50] |
phf | asciilifeform: but what i'd like to know is why none of you lot commented. << i'm not groking how that's supposed to work with gpg signatures | [17:51] |
mod6 | we'll get there. | [17:51] |
mod6 | phf: well, other than saying "interesting" and "cool", i couldn't figure out how to do that either. unless we create a vtron signature style in 'g' or is it 'p'? i cant recall.. cause how will someones vtron be able to pull the bit string out to know how to categorize someones seal? | [17:52] |
mod6 | this is all implementation and theory. | [17:53] |
asciilifeform | if i'm gonna depend on an antique, i'd rather take one that was made in qty 500,000,000 in 11 countries. than 10,000 in usa-only. | [17:53] |
mod6 | I like the idea though. We just don't have the tools yet. | [17:53] |
asciilifeform | phf: it isn't | [17:53] |
asciilifeform | though i considered, brifly, hijacking the high bits of the timestamp 32b field for it | [17:54] |
asciilifeform | (but decided that this was retarded) | [17:54] |
asciilifeform | *briefly | [17:54] |
mod6 | asciilifeform: if the various bits for hands/eyes/heart/brain are not to be in anyway invovled with a signature, any thoughts on how we pass these around with the signature? | [17:54] |
asciilifeform | mod6: this was deliberately not specified | [17:54] |
mod6 | oh, i see. | [17:54] |
asciilifeform | there is no clean way to do it with classical gpg | [17:54] |
mod6 | gotcha | [17:54] |
mod6 | right | [17:54] |
mod6 | but since you're writing one... you could wrap that in there perhaps? | [17:55] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [17:55] |
mod6 | werd. | [17:55] |
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asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437473 << a CORRECT approach and literally 1 line of sed is worth 10,000 hours of misguided toolmaking. | [18:00] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 20:48:01; mod6: I like the idea though. We just don't have the tools yet. | [18:00] |
asciilifeform | think, e.g., 'vdiff'. | [18:00] |
davout | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437476 <<< why's that retarded? kindof the first thing i thought about when reading your piece | [18:01] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 20:48:53; asciilifeform: (but decided that this was retarded) | [18:01] |
asciilifeform | davout: because it breaks things. | [18:01] |
asciilifeform | and, importantly, ~fails~ to break things that oughta break | [18:01] |
trinque | asciilifeform: can you make yours give proper exit codes pls? :) | [18:01] |
asciilifeform | trinque: waiwut | [18:01] |
trinque | I was horrified to discover yesterday that gpg does not exit nonzero when a sig doesn't verify | [18:01] |
asciilifeform | trinque: l0l! srsly? which gpg?! | [18:01] |
trinque | it craps an error message, yes, but otherwise exit 0 | [18:02] |
trinque | 1.4.19 over here | [18:02] |
davout | asciilifeform: specifically? | [18:02] |
asciilifeform | and anyway why are you relying on the exit code ? | [18:02] |
trinque | I'm not; just saw it while rewriting deedbot | [18:02] |
asciilifeform | davout: if using format of classic gpg, there is no way to uniquely specify 'this is vtronically signed' | [18:03] |
asciilifeform | so you will never know if sig is made by old or new. | [18:03] |
phf | trinque: because gpg --verify is not intended to be used in batch process, if you're doing verification specifically should be using gpgv, which also expects env (keys in dbs specifically) to be in a certain state | [18:03] |
asciilifeform | afaik using any reserved bits (algo field) will nuke ordinary gpg. | [18:03] |
trinque | http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2004-August/023141.html << rationale | [18:04] |
assbot | gpg --verify exit status ... ( http://bit.ly/1UzkL3g ) | [18:04] |
davout | asciilifeform: hardfork is indeed cleaner aha | [18:04] |
davout | trinque: my 1.4.19 outputs 0 for correct sig, 1 for incorrect sig, 2 for unsigned data | [18:05] |
trinque | davout: hm seems I might've been wrong | [18:08] |
* | trinque fiddles moar | [18:08] |
asciilifeform | trinque: motherfucking KEYRINGS arrggh | [18:09] |
trinque | hm yeah, dunno how I was getting exit 0; might've been a case of having used inferior-shell wrong earlier | [18:10] |
asciilifeform | phf: one of the big reasons gpg is a turd is the 'keys in dbs' idiocy | [18:14] |
asciilifeform | FUCK hidden state | [18:14] |
asciilifeform | state is what the motherfucking file system is for | [18:14] |
asciilifeform | when it cannot be avoided | [18:14] |
asciilifeform | and if it doesn't come in explicitly and deliberately through the command line or stdio, it doesn't belong in the input. | [18:15] |
asciilifeform | FUCK every pissant proggy getting to have its own miniature version of the microshit winblowz 'registry'. | [18:15] |
asciilifeform | if i wanted registry, i would fucking run winblowz. | [18:15] |
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mod6 | 'keyring' is alf's pavlovian trigger | [18:18] |
asciilifeform | actually the bell and the food dish are my pavlovian trigger. | [18:18] |
mod6 | haha, what you hear the bell and you mentally think 'food' and you see food dish and think 'bell' ? | [18:19] |
asciilifeform | aha! | [18:19] |
trinque | as long as the filesystem in question lets me find things rapidly by searching over metadata, I will happily give up my black boxes of such | [18:20] |
asciilifeform | neighbour trained the cats to come out of hiding when she bangs on the dish | [18:20] |
phf | main reason gpg is turd, because was written for dos and frozen into spec that way. provided functionally is composite and doesn't "do one thing well". instead of freeform key annotation has explicit "name, email, comment" fields, instead of easy way to spawn many keys, has a convoluted key hierarchy, etc. | [18:20] |
* | trinque mumbles about befs with bottle of booze in hand | [18:20] |
asciilifeform | phf: you can always tell the smell of microshit | [18:21] |
asciilifeform | and yes, ultimately it is why it has own idiotronic db | [18:21] |
asciilifeform | because it 'had to' exist on idiot os with 8char filenames | [18:21] |
asciilifeform | there are reasons why my first act re trb was to exterminate all compatibility with microshit | [18:22] |
asciilifeform | because it merely being A THING is pernicious. | [18:22] |
mod6 | GnuPG-~1 | [18:23] |
mod6 | stab | [18:23] |
asciilifeform | you can't 'live and let live' with microshit. | [18:23] |
asciilifeform | it will entumour you. | [18:23] |
phf | i have love/hate relationship with dos | [18:23] |
asciilifeform | phf: i think we all do | [18:23] |
mod6 | where does the love come in? | [18:24] |
asciilifeform | mod6: mircea_popescu had a good article, iirc, on this. it was the last gasp of the 'my computer is mine and i know how it works' era. | [18:24] |
asciilifeform | this, and also most of the games ever made that imho were worth playing, were on it. | [18:24] |
asciilifeform | i will have a dos box until i die. | [18:24] |
mod6 | ah. | [18:24] |
asciilifeform | and i don't think i will live long enough to fully exhaust the excellent gamez. | [18:25] |
asciilifeform | dos pc was also the absolute pinnacle of the make-own-hardware era | [18:25] |
asciilifeform | whereas go and try make a pci-e card. | [18:25] |
phf | mod6: low cognitive load, for a significant payoff. great games, enough useful software to solve all day to day problems, a handful of dev environments (including emacs, gcc, clisp besides native Turbo * stuff) to solve any possible problems that might come up | [18:25] |
asciilifeform | eh dos emacs sucked arse | [18:26] |
asciilifeform | serious devs used turboc, or, in the very end days, watcom. | [18:26] |
asciilifeform | (watcom rocked absolutely) | [18:26] |
phf | i don't mean Emacs, but dos emacs is enough for the "i have text, i need to shape text into new text" tasks | [18:27] |
asciilifeform | sure. | [18:27] |
asciilifeform | i used norton commander's editor for 99% of things. | [18:27] |
phf | so did i, but i mean this for the hypothetical, "move back to dos and fuck y'all" retreat :] | [18:28] |
* | MobGod is now known as Mob | [18:29] |
phf | like if forced i could spend rest of life with a dos machine, can't say the same for os x 10.10, but that of course assumes that i somehow don't ever have to work, and in fact live in a "concent" for the rest of life | [18:30] |
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asciilifeform | phf: this is pretty much my entire ambition in life | [18:30] |
asciilifeform | i.e. to get to where i can just have the dos box. | [18:30] |
mod6 | let's rewrite everything in asm and scheme | [18:31] |
* | mod6 runs | [18:31] |
asciilifeform | (in proper 'concent', 'syndevs' not permitted!111 gotta write in ink, on paper from paper treez!) | [18:31] |
mats | is this a slav thing, 'concent', 'syndevs'? | [18:36] |
phf | i assume we're pre-second sack (or first for that matter) | [18:36] |
mod6 | speaking of which... if we were still going to use scheme, long-term, i'd probably re-write my vtron in scheme -- if for no other reason, to learn it. | [18:36] |
mod6 | but I think I might take a stab at writting it in ada so I can learn that with a proper example instead. | [18:37] |
mod6 | i dunno, maybe. need something useful to fuck around with to learn that stuff. | [18:37] |
mod6 | then maybe will be able to pitch in for adacoin | [18:37] |
phf | mats: we're doing silly http://www.amazon.com/dp/006147410X references | [18:38] |
assbot | Anathem: Neal Stephenson: 9780061474101: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1pvYoyN ) | [18:38] |
mats | ok | [18:38] |
asciilifeform | mega-b000k | [18:42] |
trinque | mod6: incidentally, list-o-megab00ks would be a great use case for that !tag thing | [18:48] |
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ben_vulpes | what, people don't maintain their own list of books as suggested by the individuals in chan? | [20:07] |
ben_vulpes | what is this automating of the mental reactor rods!? | [20:07] |
ben_vulpes | stay limber in your head and effective at your keyboard, and do everything manually why not | [20:08] |
trinque | uh, no. | [20:10] |
trinque | I want lists of things. I am not a damned secretary | [20:11] |
* | ben_vulpes hands trinque a pineapple and broomstick | [20:11] |
phf | i usually fail to come back to lists, but i think i've read most things recommended on b-a, the frequency is actually low enough that you can put things in a pile and catch up pretty fast | [20:12] |
* | trinque puts pineapple on the end of broomstick, makes weapon | [20:12] |
ben_vulpes | nono | [20:13] |
ben_vulpes | for sitting | [20:13] |
mod6 | trinque: yeah for sure. | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 << i think so too. but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. << there is no possible division between "punishment" no matter how defined and trust in any reasonable sense. either what you say matters, in which case the world rapidly evolves towards "too hard for peoeple, who just want to..." or what you say doesn't matter, in which case the world rapidly evolves towards welfare state. it is what in math | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | ematics is known as a pole. attempts to create a netherworld between the sharply divergent f(x) and f(x+e) is what i've recently discovered - through the usual stepping on research process - to be a landmine. | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | in a different restatement, people "willing to take responsibility for their actions" only has an imaginary part, and no real part ; for the necessary reason that responsibility can not be defined coherently in the real space. | [20:16] |
* | Mob is now known as MobGod | [20:17] |
shinohai | http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/21/technology/doj-apple-hearing/index.html dun, dun DUN | [20:23] |
assbot | DOJ may have found a way to hack into terrorist's iPhone - Mar. 21, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgnCIO ) | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | terrorists have iphones ? the weird world. | [20:24] |
ben_vulpes | in more finely-tuned news: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/J85_ge_17a_turbojet_engine.jpg | [20:36] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rgpq4D ) | [20:36] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.NSA] 195000 @ 0.00005012 = 9.7734 BTC [-] {2} | [20:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MG] 379000 @ 0.00009 = 34.11 BTC [-] {2} | [20:40] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437588 << waaaaiwut..?? did we uninvent wot now ? | [20:44] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 23:11:33; mircea_popescu: in a different restatement, people "willing to take responsibility for their actions" only has an imaginary part, and no real part ; for the necessary reason that responsibility can not be defined coherently in the real space. | [20:44] |
asciilifeform | what am i missing. | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | the wot is not related to this discussion. | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | FUCK every pissant proggy getting to have its own miniature version of the microshit winblowz 'registry'. << so true this. | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | it's stress syndrome already, lifeforms fully aware they live in shit. "i'ma make myself a house!" | [20:52] |
asciilifeform | i thought whole point of wot was to a) bare your chest to the knife and b) to even have a chest | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | wot is not supporting of a single notion of identity. what x signature is varies irreconcillably among the users, by design and deliberately. | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone. | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | the wot is eminently private and so deeply irreducible to public that it doesn't even matter it is publicly visible | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | a model mirrored in the itnended design of gossipd. | [20:56] |
asciilifeform | well signature comes with a mechanical algo for verification; everything beyond that is 'promise', rather than protocol | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [20:56] |
asciilifeform | but the thing about 'may as well not be visible' is dead on | [20:56] |
asciilifeform | who the fuck knows what so-and-so's ratings ~really~ meant, but him and his inner circle (if that) | [20:56] |
asciilifeform | which is why the gossip model of wot is the correct one, where there is no attempt at global/'canonical' state, but only a series of questions, which folks may choose to answer - or not - depending on who asks. | [20:57] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437595 << somebody's packin' for a trip to mars or what. | [20:59] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 23:35:26; assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 379000 @ 0.00009 = 34.11 BTC [-] {2} | [20:59] |
jurov | !t m s.nsa | [21:00] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0.00005 / 0.00007428 / 0.000085 (634821 shares, 47.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00005 / 0.00007517 / 0.000085 (692100 shares, 52.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00005 / 0.00007521 / 0.000086 (695100 shares, 52.28 BTC) | [21:00] |
jurov | ^ martians, too? | [21:01] |
asciilifeform | jurov: i meant, that somebody is selling megatonnes of various. | [21:01] |
asciilifeform | incl. it | [21:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00041827 = 2.1541 BTC [+] {2} | [21:02] |
jurov | yes, and withdrawing.. and i have to ping mircea_popescu again | [21:02] |
asciilifeform | l0l i thought jurov had already sold | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | aite. | [21:02] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437604 << this is ~exactly~ what i was aiming at with 'v algebra' thing, to see if it is possible to expand the 'real part' of signature. | [21:04] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 23:50:23; mircea_popescu: for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone. | [21:04] |
asciilifeform | i do not yet know if it is possible. | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | gynaeceum in any case. | [21:05] |
asciilifeform | so mircea_popescu is presently in the 'nothing to be gained from machine-readable encodings of signature meanings' school of thought ? | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | i am currently of the " ' technology won't be solving human problems ' has been deeply abused and is taking its pound of flesh" school of thought. | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | this i can see. | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | even with my amoeba eye. | [21:08] |
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phf | [21:19] | |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437589 << l0l, mcafee finally desoldered the nand for them? or one of the other 10,001 folks who offered. | [21:20] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 23:17:55; shinohai: http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/21/technology/doj-apple-hearing/index.html dun, dun DUN | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | phf there's no need to lean or anything ; but the fact remains that if you're unhappy with the way in which fights between toddlers and adults are coming out, giving the toddlers fancier rifles is not likely to do much. | [21:21] |
asciilifeform | (the real question is why usg would ever admit to it - whole point of the charade was to build precedent-setting verdict. i suppose this outcome became in doubt, and whole thing was brought to what is intended as a quiet burial ?) | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much the ~only way such an attempt ends up is into a f-35, sooner or later. | [21:22] |
hanbot | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437059 << that sounds like the most sane solution on tap for efficiency & accuracy both. and honestly...crawling back through the last coupla weeks' logs to study this i couldn't really be paid. much as i'd like to lend some time to folks actually doing good work, this place is reeking rotten already. | [21:24] |
assbot | Logged on 21-03-2016 07:43:11; mircea_popescu: hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag |
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asciilifeform | imho this is a spiffy idea. 'tagbot' ? | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | the all-permeating smell of the young male, eh ? supposedly the world is built on these, you know. | [21:25] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: on their corpses, not them as such | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | btw, let me introduce hanbot to you asciilifeform | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | i was of the notion you two had previously met. | [21:26] |
hanbot | mircea_popescu i'm really interested in 'em, dead or alive. | [21:26] |
asciilifeform | waiwut | [21:26] |
hanbot | *not | [21:26] |
asciilifeform | we met at c2 & 3 | [21:26] |
asciilifeform | and hanbot was my 1st contact here | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-03-2016#1426606 | [21:28] |
assbot | Logged on 08-03-2016 17:07:08; asciilifeform: anyway i do not know hanbot very well, cannot speak for hanbot. | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | i know hanbot, as she knows i, largely by works. | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | largely as i know mircea_popescu. | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | well it's good i said something then. anyway. | [21:29] |
phf | prometheus was appropriately punished for his infraction, but little good that did | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | as this stuff usually works, eh. | [21:29] |
* | asciilifeform finally grasps that mircea_popescu is going through the miserable l0gz | [21:30] |
hanbot | mircea_popescu you know that line gave me pause at the time, but i figured he was entertaining the noisebox so what do i know what he's answering to. all in all though, pretty odd. | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | no, i'm not. i noticed it then, and was deeply surprised she was even considering doing anything ; not surprised in the end result. | [21:31] |
asciilifeform | hanbot: to clarify, i meant that i cannot presume to speak for other people, esp. ones who i have not interacted with at great length | [21:31] |
asciilifeform | i.e. i might have a crude emulated mircea_popescu living in my head, but not a very well developed hanbot | [21:32] |
asciilifeform | btw my emulated micropopescu is stabbing me with a sharpened toothbrush. is this a correct spec behaviour ? | [21:32] |
hanbot | eh, don't worry about it asciilifeform | [21:32] |
phf | there was a blog in the early days of medium, that was basically snippets from irc conversations. my impression was that the display software was gradually hacked into turning out increasingly cleaner posts through various in-channel annotations, like ;tag, ;post, etc. there was significant amount of editorializing though. so someone was responsible, at the end of the thread, to turn it into a post. we kind of have that adhoc, and md | [21:36] |
phf | does it the most, but we could help or outright automate the process through annotations | [21:36] |
phf | *mp | [21:37] |
phf | i periodically try and remember its name to plunder for ideas, but failing so far.. | [21:37] |
trinque | I'm nearly done with my deedbot- rewrite; I could add this as well. deed the list of tags per $interval or something | [21:38] |
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trinque | phf: took your example and wrote a CLOS thing for pluggable services. | [21:39] |
phf | nice :) | [21:40] |
trinque | new deedbot currently lurks in #deedbutt-test | [21:40] |
trinque | guy even knows how to ghost his nick | [21:41] |
asciilifeform | trinque: mighty spiffy | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: and yes i am an arse! with no social graces! but my aspiration is that when i finally go to the woodchipper, folks will remember the pile of dead nazis, and not how i was arse. | [21:44] |
trinque | asciilifeform: perhaps usg's threat is they will shame Apple in public unless they privately bend over more obediently | [21:45] |
phf | "i don't speak for hanbot for hanbot has a tongue." | [21:45] |
asciilifeform | phf ^ has it. | [21:46] |
asciilifeform | trinque: how does a finger muppet 'privately' do anything to another finger muppet on the same glove ? | [21:46] |
asciilifeform | phf: you may have been thinking of bash.org ? | [21:47] |
trinque | perhaps usg asked something drastic enough apple is concerned | [21:47] |
asciilifeform | trinque: nowhere in what crapple sells is there to be found anything posing so much as a temporary annoyance to hitler. | [21:48] |
asciilifeform | (ditto google et al) | [21:48] |
trinque | absent that I have to assume sheer incoherence on the part of hitler | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | trinque: no incoherence, i can remove the motherfucking nand ~here~ in this godforsaken hovel | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | and so can 10,000,001 other folks | [21:49] |
trinque | incoherent that they ever made a public fight of it | [21:49] |
trinque | given that. | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | trinque: idea was to play stupid & set judicial precedent in favour of arbitrary do-what-we-say orders | [21:50] |
phf | asciilifeform: nah, was actual blog, i started reading it when it had coherent topical posts, but studying their history, it started as snippets and gradually acquired features. like early posts were straight up logs, later names were stripped and only text from "posters" retained, etc. | [21:50] |
asciilifeform | trinque: and also to make some noise, and give the 'aspiring terrorists should buy crapple devices!' honeytrap a boost | [21:50] |
trinque | that I can see | [21:51] |
asciilifeform | phf: now this i have never seen, but would like to, if you turn it up again | [21:52] |
phf | asciilifeform: so i actually made an effort to go through my notes and found it immediately, http://2lmc.org/spool/. they nuked their entire log and just one static page remains, hmm | [21:56] |
assbot | 2lmc spool - recent spoolage ... ( http://bit.ly/1pYCIvP ) | [21:56] |
phf | but you can get general idea | [21:56] |
asciilifeform | aha! | [21:57] |
asciilifeform | very neat | [21:57] |
asciilifeform | i esp. like the footer. | [21:57] |
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phf | old school snark | [22:09] |
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asciilifeform | http://trilema.com/2013/me-aged-5 << got this in trilemarandom and it is mega-lulzy. now i want to find the cartoon! and watch. | [22:49] |
assbot | Me, aged 5 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MyxviX ) | [22:49] |
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mircea_popescu | trinque> guy even knows how to ghost his nick << nice stuff. | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i once met a young girl who thought she is no good with math. she was creative you see, and on her grave was to be inscribed a vintage purse rather than a badly unresolved equation. | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | she can integrate now, and it didn't even take that many whippings. | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | neato, where do i sign up! | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | i'd like the badly unresolved eq on mine tho | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | por favor. | [23:13] |
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asciilifeform | ;;later tell mod6 http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << you will find these useful, i did | [23:14] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [23:14] |
assbot | Ada Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTHkaB ) | [23:14] |
asciilifeform | !s vintage purse | [23:19] |
assbot | 2 results for 'vintage purse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vintage+purse | [23:19] |
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asciilifeform | it was definitely shorthand for something | [23:20] |
phf | asciilifeform: etsy as failed woman minimax, sort of the opposite of theorems | [23:22] |
asciilifeform | aha i found the thread | [23:23] |
asciilifeform | interestingly, if it were not for mircea_popescu , i would have never learned this | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | that planet is entirely invisible from my optics | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform> phf: you may have been thinking of bash.org ? << i don't think he is and i have a vague recollection of this from the very early 2000s that i also can't place | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | but if you asked me i'd have thought mine was romanian | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform> trinque: idea was to play stupid & set judicial precedent in favour of arbitrary do-what-we-say orders << i think trinque is much closer to the facts of the field. beast doth not know what it wants not merely for the provable impossibility of such a want, but mostly for absence of a want organ. | [23:29] |
asciilifeform | the latest twist suggests this. | [23:29] |
asciilifeform | i can see no possible ~logic~ for announcing 'someone opened it' and torpedoing own case | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform> now i want to find the cartoon! and watch. << http://documents.tips/documents/carte-balaica-si-bobocel.html | [23:32] |
assbot | Carte Balaica Si Bobocel - Documents ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgVjQG ) | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | it wasn't a cartoon. it was a "book of practical activities for making puppets and designing scenes". superadvanced art stuff for ro genius kids | [23:32] |
* | asciilifeform reads | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu's story re wanting the jewels reminds me of mine | [23:35] |
asciilifeform | i begged my elder brother to give me, somehow, some ~numbers~ | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | as in, physical | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | somehow the notion entered my head that this was possible | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | poor woman | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | o wait, your brother ? | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | he found some toy puzzle thing that nominally satisfied, but i knew it was a sham. | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | and i wouldn't listen to any explanation of how it couldn't be done. | [23:38] |
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mircea_popescu | pretty tall order. | [23:39] |
phf | give me here on a platter the head of john the baptist | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | that at least could be satisfied. even in 80s cold dark romania, proper jools could in principle be had. | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | but numbers ? | [23:41] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | much long ago, when chet was a young woman, with children like many here she tried to prepare herself, like many here try. so she had an answer all ready for the eventual inevitable moment her oldest was going to inquire why the sky is blue. | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | the child wanted to know "why sky". | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | aha! WHY?! | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | go, tell three year old that the sky isn't a thing, pristina rosa, all that. | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | in other crazy news, i just popped (ie, got a major loot) in eulora. 1+ bitcent's worth of brave man's nosehairs. | [23:45] |
mircea_popescu | like 60k of the things. | [23:45] |
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