Forum logs for 21 Feb 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [06:21] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading | [06:21] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 | [06:21] |
decimation | heh yeah it wouldn't be hard to build | [06:21] |
decimation | I wouldn't mind if it were battery-powered | [06:21] |
Vexual | powdercoated steel | [06:22] |
Bugpowder | mircea_popescu is back! | [06:22] |
mircea_popescu | heya. | [06:22] |
Vexual | hey mircea | [06:22] |
mircea_popescu | what disaster happened ? | [06:22] |
Bugpowder | I have taken the gospel and spread fear in the hearts of men | [06:22] |
Bugpowder | #mtgox chat has been muted indefinitely | [06:22] |
decimation | ozbot is apparently dead | [06:22] |
Vexual | the dude from gox is fat and im on my third bottle of whisky | [06:22] |
Bugpowder | channel | [06:22] |
Bugpowder | not chat | [06:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4428 @ 0.00087031 = 3.8537 BTC [+] | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c that looks less dumbfoundingly no fucking way-ish. i ordered some data extracted i'll have something in a little | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | once i get to that email or w/e. | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder all hail. | [06:23] |
Bugpowder | I watched the pie video two more times and I just can't imagine Tux being evil. So much passion for pie. | [06:23] |
Bugpowder | Maybe I am seduced by the french language | [06:24] |
mircea_popescu | maybe you're seduced by fatties. | [06:24] |
Vexual | i know kaluah when i see it | [06:24] |
mircea_popescu | what, srsly, passionate people can't lie ? what's this. | [06:24] |
decimation | is that guy still camping outside of mtgox's building in tokyo? | [06:24] |
mike_c | less dumbfoundingly stupid? :D assets is so affirming | [06:24] |
midnightmagic | mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio_ | [06:24] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c check yo privilege man. | [06:24] |
mircea_popescu | at least you're here. | [06:24] |
mike_c | hehe. just teasing. | [06:25] |
Vexual | theyre moving to paris so they an toss insolent brits into the river | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | decimation whay wouldn't he, you know ? | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, he'd be camping somewhere else if not there, not like he has a house or anything. | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | middle class folks looking through the press always imagine that the protesters are you know, like them. house and two cars. | [06:26] |
Vexual | nor coin with witch to pay for a roof | [06:26] |
decimation | there are probably many actual bums who would be happy to protest for a few coins | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | right ? | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | how do you think obama clinched the elections ? | [06:26] |
decimation | Karpales should be arrested by the UN for being a fat fuck | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | #occupy-bumstreet | [06:27] |
decimation | busin' bums from the 'hood | [06:27] |
Vexual | dont ill have another hernia | [06:27] |
mircea_popescu | Vexual i hear Hernia's pretty hawt. | [06:27] |
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Vexual | seriously, don't make me laugh too much or ill have to pay some faggot surgeon tho render me unconcious and tke a knife to my nether regions | [06:29] |
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decimation | mircea, I liked your nigger story on trilema, but I was confused about the link on your second footnote - do you mean Yarvin's article posted Sep 2013? | [06:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 257 @ 0.00303966 = 0.7812 BTC [+] {2} | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | decimation yes, i do. | [06:30] |
decimation | okay that makes sense then | [06:31] |
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mircea_popescu | a rare day when what you thought mp meant is what mp actually meant. | [06:31] |
mircea_popescu | lets celebrate! | [06:31] |
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decimation | heh. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mr. Yarvin reads your blog | [06:31] |
mircea_popescu | it wouldn't hurt him if he did. | [06:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1819 BTC [-] | [06:32] |
decimation | his early stuff was good, especially on the structure of power in the us and economics | [06:32] |
decimation | low SNR though | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, kids about his age in romania used to do this all the time. | [06:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 935 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1871 BTC [-] | [06:33] |
decimation | skim stuff from idea makers? | [06:33] |
mircea_popescu | i know the general opinion is that omg copying is bad or w/e, but i don't hold it. any painter worth a shit was made by copying the old masters in his own hand. it's how you become a good writer, rewrite fucking hemingway | [06:33] |
mircea_popescu | or whover you like. | [06:33] |
mircea_popescu | decimation the idea isn't to "skim stuff" and try to pass it as your own. the idea is this : | [06:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3050 @ 0.00020108 = 0.6133 BTC [+] {2} | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | suppose a guy who is older than you, and better than you, and smarter and more connected and cultivated and powerful than you has a number of slaves, among which this absolutely breathtakingly stunning young lady. | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | now, stealing her and trying to get her dressed is the best exercise a young boy could possibly attempt. | [06:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07000003 = 1.05 BTC [-] | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | because, turns out, keeping teh girl content is not exactly trivial. it seemed trivial back when the other guy was doing it, but it is not in fact trivial. | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | this is much better than derping about "privilege" | [06:35] |
Vexual | rum diaries? | [06:35] |
decimation | yeah, being a good master (husband, employer, etc) is hardass thankless work | [06:35] |
mircea_popescu | it's not thankless. | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | i get thanked on hands and knees on regular basis. | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | this is how socialism starts : by encouraging the slaves to not be expressively thankful. | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | it all proceeds from there. | [06:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00305 = 0.2318 BTC [+] | [06:37] |
decimation | This is how the us has become ungovernable | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | quite possibly. | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, take the notion of censorship. you consider it unbearable to be told to shut the fuck up, keep your bitching to yourself and disperse right now. but... you DO keep your thanking to yourself as a matter of course, as if it's ordained from on high. | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | not like you go to the boss and say, hey, it just dawned on me, you're so much smarter than me. thank you for taking the time to be my boss. | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | and if anyone else does, whay! THAT ASSHOLE! THAT BROWNNOSE. | [06:38] |
Vexual | i vote 2 | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | well... in this context censorship is merely the enforcing of the obligation of coherence. | [06:39] |
mircea_popescu | suddenly you have a society in which censorship is not at all absurd, but quite logically sound and flowing from what the people do. | [06:39] |
mircea_popescu | this sucks. | [06:39] |
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mircea_popescu | (and obviously i mean nothing personal by "you") | [06:39] |
B007 | the boss is not always smarter | [06:40] |
mircea_popescu | so then tell him. | [06:40] |
mircea_popescu | obviously he's not always smarter. | [06:40] |
Vexual | same as ungovernable | [06:41] |
B007 | but what if you want to keep the job | [06:41] |
Vexual | its not a thing | [06:41] |
decimation | so the boss has a right to ensure the slaves are in order | [06:41] |
mircea_popescu | you don't want to keep the job where he a) isn't smarter and b) can't cope. | [06:41] |
mircea_popescu | decimation more like, it's your duty to live in a sane world. | [06:41] |
decimation | in the case where you are in an insane job situation, for example, it would be your duty to leave | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | indeed it would. | [06:42] |
decimation | so the position of master cannot be granted by fiat | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | B007 of interest re the boss being smarter always or not, see the mp 50-50 rule, too. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | decimation yes it can. be your fiat. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | and it should be, because just like with the poker table : if you live with no masters it just means you're an idiot. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | s/be your/by your/ | [06:45] |
Vexual | thats some heavy fucking popescuism | [06:46] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, only about 3k years old. | [06:46] |
Vexual | i was just gonna say i feel like i should be sitting by a campfire 10k yrs ago | [06:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 980 @ 0.0002 = 0.196 BTC [-] | [06:47] |
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B007 | :%s/be your/by your/g | [06:49] |
Duffer1 | i'm at a total loss, what could possible prevent me from uploading images to imgur or photobucket or tinypic.. | [06:49] |
decimation | it is my experience that there is always someone greater | [06:49] |
Duffer1 | possibly* | [06:49] |
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B007 | Duffer1: whats wrong? | [06:49] |
Duffer1 | i get an error message whenever i try to upload a pic to imgur | [06:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00087322 = 33.7063 BTC [+] {5} | [06:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 709 @ 0.00292987 = 2.0773 BTC [-] {11} | [06:50] |
Duffer1 | not just imgur but any of those sites, regardless of browser | [06:50] |
B007 | what error | [06:50] |
Vexual | decimation: i find that when i try to trade | [06:50] |
Duffer1 | unknown just says an error occured | [06:50] |
B007 | unreliable internet? | [06:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1939 @ 0.00082945 = 1.6083 BTC [-] {17} | [06:51] |
dub | sniff dem packets | [06:51] |
B007 | ya | [06:51] |
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Vexual | what are you uploading duffer? | [06:52] |
Duffer1 | pics of one of my boats for stringpuller | [06:52] |
Vexual | one of your boats? how many do you have? | [06:53] |
Duffer1 | a few | [06:53] |
Duffer1 | they're models | [06:53] |
Vexual | tiikoni.com/tis | [06:53] |
dub | he got mad yachts | [06:54] |
Vexual | are you watching black sails? | [06:56] |
Vexual | as a prequal to treasure island it's disappointing | [06:56] |
Duffer1 | hey it worked http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd | [06:56] |
Duffer1 | how does that work first try but none of the others do.. fml | [06:56] |
Vexual | ok now i feel jealousy, do yo u sell them? | [06:57] |
Vexual | is taht real copper? | [06:57] |
Duffer1 | yea copper hull | [06:57] |
Duffer1 | there's no market for em, it's my hobby | [06:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00299999 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2} | [06:58] |
mircea_popescu | Duffer1 the grandeur of javascript. | [06:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00299999 = 0.111 BTC [+] | [06:59] |
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Duffer1 | reinstall java maybe? | [07:01] |
Vexual | delete java | [07:02] |
B007 | i like writing java exploits | [07:05] |
B007 | so much fun | [07:05] |
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Vexual | are the spars painted plastic? | [07:07] |
Duffer1 | it's all wood and string and copper | [07:08] |
Vexual | whats it worth? | [07:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08699999 = 0.174 BTC [+] | [07:08] |
Vexual | those hooks should be lashed | [07:09] |
Duffer1 | ;;later tell thestringpuller must be java problem http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d767b59 http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=57922df http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d41c734 | [07:09] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [07:09] |
Duffer1 | lies what hooks? | [07:09] |
Vexual | abaft the ratlines | [07:10] |
Duffer1 | you can get a finished one on ebay i'm sure dirt cheap | [07:10] |
Vexual | not with a copper hull | [07:10] |
Vexual | put aleanor gibbens on the deck and we'll talk coin | [07:12] |
Duffer1 | ha | [07:12] |
Duffer1 | i'm pretty sure the hooks are period correct | [07:12] |
MisterE | when will we test 500 already?!?! | [07:12] |
MisterE | today for sure | [07:13] |
KRS-One | second hand word from ne0futur is that mtgox was hacked...anyone? | [07:13] |
mircea_popescu | KRS-One that scammer is still talking in public ? | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | fascinating. | [07:16] |
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MisterE | I doubt even the people in Gox know wtf is going on let alone outsiders | [07:19] |
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KRS-One | Yes, supposedly. I got that info from someone else. | [07:21] |
KRS-One | i just joined the chan where is talking #mtgox-chat | [07:21] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Z9AuT9g5k | [07:22] |
KRS-One | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mtgox-protest | [07:22] |
KRS-One | live feed from mtgox hq | [07:22] |
Vexual | fuck 13 k viewers | [07:23] |
kakobrekla | lol that guy "we knew mtgox is idiots" | [07:23] |
kakobrekla | then why the fuck did you have money there | [07:23] |
Vexual | nneds more stippers | [07:23] |
Vexual | can we get btc girls in tokyo? | [07:24] |
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decimation | needs more bums too. I bet most bums in Japan are too polite to be much use here though | [07:25] |
cazalla | even if they had my coins, i wouldn't sit out there all day | [07:25] |
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Vexual | roastu ducku tabemashteka? | [07:25] |
Vexual | me neither, id send an email | [07:26] |
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Vexual | shall i traslate? | [07:26] |
KRS-One | need moar young japanese hello kitty girls | [07:26] |
KRS-One | .bait | [07:27] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] | [07:27] |
Vexual | ozbot asleep | [07:27] |
decimation | the irony of this whole affair is that while various us states are contemplating idiotic bitcoin regulation, actual bitcoin villians are scamming funds from us citizens | [07:28] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wa95CvhESQ | [07:29] |
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Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADo6wawOUFo | [07:33] |
decimation | such poor editing | [07:34] |
Vexual | its a lime stream | [07:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.485 = 3.395 BTC [+] | [07:35] |
Vexual | hey its a mac, AusBitBank should go and steal it! | [07:35] |
decimation | no I mean your japanese music videos | [07:35] |
Vexual | yeah | [07:35] |
* | AusBitBank wakes up | [07:35] |
Vexual | lol | [07:35] |
Vexual | sup AusBitBank? | [07:35] |
AusBitBank | nothin much .. what am I stealing now ? *reads backlog* | [07:36] |
Vexual | nothing i know of | [07:36] |
Vexual | unless you're affiliated with gox these dyas? :) | [07:37] |
AusBitBank | lol nah I cut ties with that trainwreck long ago | [07:37] |
decimation | lol all the sad sacks whining on the ustream | [07:37] |
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decimation | I sold my house and gave the proceeds to Karapales why oh why | [07:38] |
Vexual | its all good in the neighbourhood mano | [07:39] |
Vexual | i kinda wish i had an account | [07:40] |
decimation | just so you can watch the trainwreck? | [07:40] |
Vexual | yeah | [07:41] |
Vexual | bitcoinity should aution gifspace | [07:41] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] | [07:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00086793 = 37.8417 BTC [-] {2} | [07:43] |
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Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM | [07:51] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcywAE1pTk | [07:53] |
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Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YbGN1BMSLc | [07:59] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.06200001 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2} | [08:04] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC | [08:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1024 = 0.3072 BTC [+] {2} | [08:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-] | [08:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] | [08:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00086861 = 4.9511 BTC [+] | [08:09] |
Vexual | KRS-One that stream would be a lot more interesting with godzilla | [08:10] |
Vexual | did they move to shibuya? | [08:12] |
Vexual | can we get these guys on chan? | [08:13] |
Vexual | ill buy em a pizza | [08:13] |
Luke-Jr | >_< that SubsidyAlgo patch broke it | [08:13] |
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Vexual | oh | [08:16] |
Vexual | does dhl fly there? | [08:17] |
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Vexual | what journalist? | [08:18] |
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Duffer1 | i keep checking log to see if you're talking to someone i have on ignore.. | [08:22] |
Vexual | me? | [08:22] |
Duffer1 | ya lol | [08:22] |
Vexual | luke was ere, is he ignore? | [08:22] |
Duffer1 | nope | [08:23] |
Vexual | im just talking to myself | [08:23] |
Duffer1 | <3 | [08:23] |
Vexual | >_< | [08:23] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quy2RhefKT0 | [08:27] |
Vexual | dhl! | [08:28] |
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greenspan_fan | and the marketplace deliver: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/ | [08:30] |
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greenspan_fan | (don't know if anyone has already mentioned it) | [08:30] |
Vexual | tre market | [08:31] |
greenspan_fan | or, if you prefer, technical people looking to profit off of technical incompetence | [08:32] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ | [08:33] |
mircea_popescu | required reading, as they say. | [08:33] |
mircea_popescu | Luke-Jr say wut ? | [08:35] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan yeah we had a lol yest. | [08:35] |
greenspan_fan | idk if it's completely fungible; you can analyze the blockchain, right? and idk if there's a mixer that you can trust. | [08:36] |
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kakobrekla | Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum. | [08:37] |
kakobrekla | You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com . | [08:37] |
kakobrekla | ok so this is the new ban model | [08:37] |
Vexual | you're always benned | [08:37] |
kakobrekla | yeah well ill ban them back if they come here!!11 | [08:37] |
Vexual | excellent | [08:38] |
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greenspan_fan | like I mean, once you have a certain amount of information about the users inferences between two addresses becomes much more accurate | [08:38] |
greenspan_fan | what would you do if people started leaning on you for data on your customers? | [08:39] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan nope, you can't "analyze" the blockchain, | [08:39] |
mircea_popescu | you can just think you can. | [08:40] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla hardly worth the attention now are they. | [08:40] |
Vexual | i lik ethis gox,bum, just trading | [08:40] |
Vexual | stop asking feckin stoopid questiuns | [08:41] |
kakobrekla | anyone with half a brain is not there. | [08:41] |
Vexual | yeah well i dont have a pssport | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | hes just trying to get a bitcent or w/e it is. | [08:41] |
Vexual | 32ksterling | [08:42] |
Vexual | oim fookin ruined! | [08:43] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00087296 = 8.6702 BTC [+] | [08:47] |
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mircea_popescu | https://blog.blockchain.info/ | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | check out the derpage seriously. | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | bluehost ? | [08:48] |
Vexual | derpage be in the feed | [08:48] |
Vexual | how much yen u lost? whoa i cant count | [08:49] |
kakobrekla | but can you cunt? | [08:49] |
Vexual | you dont even know kano :)( | [08:50] |
Vexual | im surely feeling a fiddle coming on | [08:50] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0 | [08:52] |
greenspan_fan | I was hoping for a link with more fiddle | [08:53] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xmg0uVsPpk | [08:54] |
BingoBoingo | kakobrekla: Congratulations on defending the slander of your soul from the indignity of being allowed on Bitcointalk | [08:55] |
kakobrekla | thank you! | [08:56] |
kakobrekla | i would drink some voda and instant coffee to toast if i had some | [08:56] |
kakobrekla | vodka | [08:56] |
benkay | amazing concontion | [08:57] |
mircea_popescu | got potatoes ? | [08:57] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [08:57] |
benkay | cuntcocktion | [08:57] |
kakobrekla | i got potatoes, i love potatoes, i dont hav etime | [08:58] |
mircea_popescu | so if you don't have time, have a potato. | [08:59] |
benkay | potahto | [08:59] |
Vexual | no more whisky no more gin | [08:59] |
Vexual | its vodka dribbling down my svchin | [09:00] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g&feature=kp | [09:00] |
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kakobrekla | raw potato will make my time even shorter | [09:00] |
benkay | this is disappointing: https://blockchain.info/address/13iGD7nu6kXTtPS9DxKhY4gJdgchvdXJFH | [09:00] |
Duffer1 | ? | [09:01] |
kakobrekla | is that gox cold storage? | [09:01] |
Duffer1 | ha | [09:01] |
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benkay | http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/ | [09:04] |
mircea_popescu | This exceptionally cold and snowy winter has shown that government climate scientists were dead wrong when it came to predicting just how cold this winter would be, while the 197-year old Farmers’ Almanac predicted this winter would be “bitterly cold”. | [09:04] |
mircea_popescu | moar farmer's almanac. | [09:04] |
benkay | i'm going to go ahead and guess they're both kinda just stochastically wrong | [09:05] |
greenspan_fan | stochastically? climate science makes bad predictions due to overfitting | [09:05] |
greenspan_fan | "With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk" -- Abraham Lincoln | [09:06] |
mircea_popescu | actually i'm with greenspan_fan here. | [09:06] |
benkay | wrong with a beautifully normal distribution on some wrongness axis | [09:06] |
mircea_popescu | they overfit to all hell, which is the bane of noobs and politicos in science. | [09:06] |
mircea_popescu | and finance. | [09:06] |
mircea_popescu | and everything. | [09:06] |
Vexual | i agree check your barometer and your atns | [09:07] |
benkay | not really buying that an almanac is more accurate | [09:07] |
mircea_popescu | why not ? | [09:08] |
greenspan_fan | if climate change worries you, looking at the reports they don't really publicize that some places stand to benefit | [09:08] |
greenspan_fan | I'd take it more seriously if all the people involved were buying up russian and canadian farmland | [09:08] |
benkay | eh not terribly worried about the downside. i know it's pretty bad. | [09:08] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan meta fitting :) | [09:08] |
Duffer1 | kansas needs shoreline | [09:08] |
Vexual | why no aussie greenspan_fan? | [09:08] |
benkay | gotta drain the tundra, greenspan_fan. | [09:09] |
benkay | it's not simply farmable as is. | [09:09] |
mircea_popescu | benkay minable. | [09:09] |
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greenspan_fan | Vexual: ozone depletion, so you get (more) cancer w/ your tan? I haven't looked at it in years though | [09:09] |
Vexual | china is buying our arable land like theres no tommorrow | [09:09] |
jurov | benkay you need water, not just soil | [09:10] |
benkay | mircea_popescu i was going to bring up water table problems but just freeze a berm around your mining works el oh el oh el | [09:10] |
mircea_popescu | im not a geologist employed by a venture fund trying to buy siberian lands, so what do i care about the water table et all. | [09:11] |
mircea_popescu | obviously some places will be better and others worse, but we're discussing the birdseye view here | [09:11] |
benkay | nm | [09:11] |
mircea_popescu | it'll drain somewhere. you don't really want to buy the riverbed, i guess, but if you disperse your ownership you gotta average out ok. | [09:12] |
benkay | i don't really expect accuracy on predictions of the behavior of a really complex multidimensional set of oscillators and dampers (see: planetary processes of weather etc) with totally unknown coupling from a set of modelers whose heads gotta be up they asses much less a book from a ways back | [09:12] |
mircea_popescu | benkay the book is better, strictly because it doesn't have the tools to overfit with. | [09:13] |
mircea_popescu | you familiar with the concept of overfitting ? | [09:13] |
greenspan_fan | well, the book looks at far less data, and perhaps those parameters are better selected | [09:13] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan nah, they simply don't know math. that's their saving grace. | [09:13] |
Vexual | overfitting is imaining where the diamonds are without sighting them? | [09:13] |
benkay | intimately. i did a spot of modeling when building a wafer host for a wager probing mfgr. | [09:13] |
mircea_popescu | benkay ok so then. | [09:14] |
greenspan_fan | I'm doing some modelling too, but it's mostly catalogue work for sears | [09:14] |
mircea_popescu | not knowing you can do complex poly fitting means you'll just draw a line through the datapoints | [09:14] |
benkay | okay out of curiosity, on what bases were the authors of this almanac predicting? | [09:14] |
mircea_popescu | rather than end up with some crazy. | [09:14] |
greenspan_fan | I think it's just cyclical trends? | [09:14] |
benkay | fully granted | [09:14] |
mircea_popescu | benkay hearsay. | [09:14] |
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mircea_popescu | i think you underestimate the majorly powerful computer natural language is. | [09:15] |
mircea_popescu | you perhaps imagine mankind hasn't been using computers before the numeric machines. this would be false. | [09:15] |
benkay | hah i do? | [09:15] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno, why im proposing it. | [09:15] |
benkay | i operate from the basis that we're just chemical machines. | [09:16] |
greenspan_fan | additionally, all the fancy numerical methods we use are older than the farmer's almanac, or close to | [09:16] |
mircea_popescu | a ok then. well that'd be overfitting for our needs. | [09:16] |
mircea_popescu | let's say that we are chemical machines which fit a very primitive lua. | [09:16] |
benkay | cognition, layered abstractions. | [09:16] |
mircea_popescu | much like bitcoin is running on supercomputers but basically oding some very primitive scripting. | [09:16] |
mircea_popescu | you with me ? | [09:16] |
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benkay | yeah yeah | [09:17] |
mircea_popescu | so a bunch of derps cca 1700 who are desperately aware of farming, cause their life depends on it | [09:17] |
mircea_popescu | will make and diffuse observations, which is not so unlike asciilifeform's light problem solver yest. | [09:17] |
mircea_popescu | eventually they compute something | [09:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00226762 = 1.0204 BTC [+] | [09:17] |
mircea_popescu | and that something is the farmer's almanac. | [09:17] |
greenspan_fan | it's kind of like feature discovery in AI | [09:18] |
mircea_popescu | it's not either very good or very fixable (or actionable, scientifically) | [09:18] |
mircea_popescu | but it IS a better fit than the modern climate science. | [09:18] |
greenspan_fan | you quantify something (albeit abstractly, like "cold winter" or "windy previous season" or whatever) | [09:18] |
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mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan that's the beauty of natural language vs math. | [09:18] |
mircea_popescu | "cold winter" IS a quantification in that sense. | [09:18] |
mircea_popescu | it just doesn't have a numeric value | [09:19] |
mircea_popescu | it has a lingustic value. | [09:19] |
benkay | oh man but this system has a horrible problem | [09:19] |
mircea_popescu | it does yes | [09:19] |
mircea_popescu | a number of them. | [09:19] |
greenspan_fan | hence abstractly; then you can form causal relationships between your observations | [09:19] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan yeah we're pretty much in agreement. | [09:19] |
benkay | which is that most people have just totally fucked substrates for running these operations | [09:19] |
mircea_popescu | benkay errors diverge. | [09:19] |
mircea_popescu | that's why it takles 197 fucking years to even compute anything usable. | [09:20] |
greenspan_fan | additionally, people reinforce their belief on correct predictions and the people who are bad at thinking in terms of a-->b tend to starve vs. write almanacks | [09:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00087605 = 10.0746 BTC [+] {2} | [09:20] |
mircea_popescu | and a whole slew of things such as group selection, and marginalisation, etc | [09:21] |
mircea_popescu | all flow from trying to keep the machine as sharp as possible. | [09:21] |
greenspan_fan | what is cool is that there's all these (possibly apocryphal) stories about how, say, the inuit have 47 different words for snow | [09:21] |
mircea_popescu | that's why the scapegoat is NOT a "horrible crime" in a 1700s culture, but quite fucking required, sane and reasonable. | [09:21] |
greenspan_fan | why would you need so many words? because these are the features that you use to interpret your environment, and sometimes survival means knowing light, wet snow from permafrost | [09:22] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan boas' idea is widely disputed. | [09:22] |
mircea_popescu | i wouldn't use it raw like that. | [09:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07001 = 1.0502 BTC [+] | [09:23] |
benkay | there being a relationship between abstraction power of words and the number of maintained in brain on mental horsepower. | [09:24] |
benkay | some optimization point on the curve, etc | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | benkay the original argument against teaching the plebs to write. | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | still valid to this day. | [09:24] |
benkay | hah i get it fills their brains with ideas they can't handle | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | the original argument against moving away from latin service in church. "what and lose all that abstraction power ?!?!" | [09:24] |
benkay | they'll go crazy! | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | benkay no. "it will take more than they can carry to teach them what we mean by all the words" | [09:25] |
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mircea_popescu | "they'll fuck up the values of our variables and break all the code" | [09:25] |
benkay | does latin have significant abstraction power? | [09:25] |
benkay | also what are your favorite languages? | [09:25] |
mircea_popescu | in the sense that at the time french didn't exist latin had been used continuously by millions for millenia | [09:25] |
mircea_popescu | yes it did. | [09:26] |
greenspan_fan | english, lisp, then latin in my case | [09:26] |
mircea_popescu | greek, latin and romanian. | [09:26] |
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greenspan_fan | vulgus vult decepi, ergo decepitur | [09:26] |
benkay | what's your ranking of them by power of expression? | [09:27] |
mircea_popescu | there's no such power of expression function that can be discussed over the set. | [09:27] |
benkay | sure and all programming languages are turing equivalent so why bother | [09:27] |
greenspan_fan | I'd put english, then lisp, then latin, but that's probably by order of familiarity | [09:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087697 = 5.6126 BTC [+] | [09:28] |
mircea_popescu | benkay if you care of some inkiling of why greek is the mother of them all, maybe http://trilema.com/2009/etimologia-democratiei/ | [09:28] |
greenspan_fan | I'm kinda skeptical that you can trace lisp back to greek | [09:28] |
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mircea_popescu | you can trace thought back to greek | [09:28] |
mircea_popescu | lisp, not so much. | [09:28] |
greenspan_fan | I can't even find a keyboard that has the greek alphabet in it | [09:29] |
mircea_popescu | no space cadet where you live ? | [09:29] |
greenspan_fan | have you read Jaynes' "The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind"? it's kinda on point in that regard | [09:29] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [09:29] |
greenspan_fan | and no, so all my variables are "alpha" or "epsilon", which is frankly depressing | [09:30] |
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benkay | mircea_popescu: what did you think of the Jaynes book? | [09:30] |
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mircea_popescu | i thought it was okay. | [09:30] |
greenspan_fan | it's more something that you read about for the ideas, rather than because it's a complete and fleshed out theory | [09:31] |
benkay | on an entirely unrelated topic | [09:32] |
benkay | this waffling about the legality of bitcoin by places thailand etc are just going to delay its recognition as a thing by the big institutions | [09:33] |
benkay | which is great | [09:33] |
mircea_popescu | it's really indiferent. | [09:33] |
greenspan_fan | more time to perfect the algorithm vs. faster adoption? | [09:34] |
mircea_popescu | take the great plague. what difference does the church pronouncement against a great plague, or for it, or about it | [09:34] |
mircea_popescu | make to the plague itself ? | [09:34] |
greenspan_fan | if you tell all the churchgoers to stay indoors it might make a difference | [09:34] |
mircea_popescu | did it ? | [09:34] |
mircea_popescu | plagues run to completion. they know. | [09:35] |
greenspan_fan | haha | [09:35] |
greenspan_fan | and sometimes, the people it forces to stay indoors invent calculus | [09:35] |
greenspan_fan | or something. I forget. | [09:35] |
mircea_popescu | sure. lawsky will probably invent a whole new way of fucking women in your office | [09:36] |
mircea_popescu | owing to his very bizzare low table. | [09:36] |
greenspan_fan | googled it, was not disappointed | [09:36] |
mircea_popescu | one thing that always shocked me about soviet aparatchicks was how horribly bad their suits were. | [09:37] |
mircea_popescu | today what shocks me about the soviet aparatchicks is how horribly uncomfortable their stuff is. | [09:37] |
jurov | benkay, define recognition | [09:37] |
benkay | "harder, please" | [09:38] |
jurov | they will try to ban it? tax it? how? | [09:38] |
mircea_popescu | jurov you going to go for a "what they think they see is not what is there thus no recognition could have taken place" ? | [09:38] |
mircea_popescu | lol harder please | [09:38] |
mircea_popescu | you know you'd have made a great harem girl benkay ? | [09:38] |
jurov | yes, i'm interested wha exactly benkay thinks he sees | [09:39] |
benkay | i'm working on training my first! | [09:39] |
benkay | i dunno | [09:39] |
benkay | i'm stoned | [09:39] |
mircea_popescu | don't break anything. | [09:39] |
benkay | it's late | [09:39] |
benkay | hands off the servers i promise | [09:39] |
greenspan_fan | what's bizarre to me is how everyone in that AMA was pretty much begging for regulation | [09:41] |
mircea_popescu | they'd also made decent harem girls. | [09:41] |
mircea_popescu | most do. | [09:41] |
greenspan_fan | but it's this unquestioning faith that the best policy is to always shoehorn everything into whatever the prevailing paradigm was | [09:42] |
benkay | eventually the bag bursts | [09:42] |
mircea_popescu | seems a reasonable approach really. | [09:42] |
mircea_popescu | woman goes picking berries. | [09:43] |
mircea_popescu | if she finds a new type of berries, you really expect her to run home and come back with a new type of berry bag ? | [09:43] |
greenspan_fan | it's more like, if you went picking berries and wandered upon a mcdonalds | [09:43] |
mircea_popescu | even so. | [09:44] |
greenspan_fan | yes, you can store cheeseburgers in the same bag, but you could also just use the drivethru | [09:44] |
mircea_popescu | but you don't have a drivethrough in your country. | [09:44] |
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greenspan_fan | (before the analogies diverge too much) the problem is is that it completely misses the point about how there's now a fundamentally different way of acquiring food | [09:45] |
Vexual | ;;ud dillybag | [09:45] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dilly%20Bag | Dec 15, 2010 ... Dilly Bag. Apparel such as a satchel or handbag carried by escorts and strippers that are used to contain a variety of accessories used in their ... | [09:45] |
mircea_popescu | obviously it misses the point. | [09:45] |
benkay | thanks vex | [09:45] |
mircea_popescu | why'd you expect her not to miss the point ? | [09:45] |
greenspan_fan | because that is a universe I would like to live in | [09:46] |
benkay | hey Vexual hit me with some old dub | [09:46] |
Vexual | how old ar eyou? | [09:46] |
benkay | hahaha | [09:46] |
benkay | from before 1970 plz | [09:46] |
benkay | 50's if you got it, if it exists | [09:46] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan so then act that way don't expect that way :D | [09:46] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYPOghwtEr4 | [09:47] |
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benkay | lovely thankee | [09:47] |
Vexual | too big a jump | [09:47] |
benkay | it's grand | [09:48] |
greenspan_fan | mircea_popescu it's not something that you can do just on your own, though | [09:48] |
mircea_popescu | not missing the point is not something you can do on your own ? | [09:49] |
mircea_popescu | then what do you want from her. | [09:49] |
greenspan_fan | if there's a big enough push, the government can/will step in, regulate everything they can regulate and exterminate everything else | [09:49] |
greenspan_fan | it's a marginal risk w/r/t bitcoin, but jeez, one wishes everyone could just get w/ the program w/o all these false steps | [09:50] |
mircea_popescu | what are you talking about even. | [09:51] |
greenspan_fan | for example that fawning AMA | [09:52] |
greenspan_fan | he (and his suspiciously low desk) aren't on your side. They might not be against you, but it's still not a great idea to do your best to hand over control to the first guy with a title and incipient back problems who comes along | [09:53] |
mircea_popescu | they aren't ?! | [09:53] |
mircea_popescu | wait, reddit hands something over ? | [09:53] |
greenspan_fan | well, not really | [09:53] |
greenspan_fan | as you point out those people are typically sub 0.1 btc holders | [09:54] |
mircea_popescu | dude five minutes ago we were in perfect agreement on complex math stuff, now i have no idea even what you're on about. | [09:54] |
mircea_popescu | how can things change so. | [09:54] |
greenspan_fan | local inflection point, maybe? | [09:54] |
mircea_popescu | must be someting. | [09:54] |
mircea_popescu | but i mean, from what axioms you proceed ? | [09:54] |
mircea_popescu | i can't identify a shared one even. | [09:54] |
greenspan_fan | A1: The government has, at varying levels of cost, options to subvert/ruin the valuable aspects of bitcoin | [09:55] |
Vexual | bullshit | [09:56] |
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greenspan_fan | A2: the government responds to popular will, to some degree | [09:56] |
greenspan_fan | A3: The folks on reddit constitute a reasonable sample of the voting public, from which "popular will" is derived | [09:57] |
mircea_popescu | a1 and a2 aren't true tho. | [09:57] |
mircea_popescu | but write out the whole list it/ll be helpful | [09:57] |
Vexual | bc was invented for government fail, not to solve it | [09:57] |
greenspan_fan | doing so, since I went to the trouble of using colons and everything | [09:57] |
greenspan_fan | P1 (A2, A3): The support on reddit indicates there's some popular demand for government regulation of bitcoin | [09:58] |
benkay | another vex another | [09:58] |
mircea_popescu | wait, aren't you missing a a4 ? | [09:59] |
Vexual | where do we go from here? | [09:59] |
greenspan_fan | P2 (P1, A1): There's a good chance of government regulation/interference occuring, which, depending on the effort involved, could lead to subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin | [10:00] |
chetty_ | reddit twerps count as popular demand? now I know I fell down the rabbit hole | [10:00] |
mircea_popescu | chetty_ myeah. | [10:00] |
benkay | something with some soul | [10:00] |
jurov | subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin << what should i imagine here? | [10:01] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan your axiomatic system is incomplete. the redditards live off the govt dole. since the govt can not create value out of thin air, you're missing an a4 | [10:01] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbP4JBf8To | [10:01] |
mircea_popescu | describing the people the govt actually extracts value from to give to a3. | [10:01] |
benkay | amazing vexual! | [10:02] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [10:02] |
greenspan_fan | I don't even really know how the us economy functions, but it does, after a fashion | [10:02] |
greenspan_fan | so I think it's fair to say that it has some ability to execute on A1 | [10:02] |
greenspan_fan | consider that part of the "dole", in the form of pandering | [10:03] |
greenspan_fan | that really should be A4, to be honest; it's kinda weird how I thought that was pre-axiomatic... :( | [10:03] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell mike_c here's the actual data : since jan 1st mpoe bot has quoted 7192 times, for a total book exposure of 62930 minutes, = ~43.7 days (out of 51.4) so like 85%. of these in turn 7 (so like 90%) have been since the 14th, ie since the signal divergence. | [10:03] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [10:03] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan :p | [10:04] |
mircea_popescu | so now... the people whose livelihood depends on government do see it as on their side. it is. | [10:04] |
mircea_popescu | they also do expect it to continue making their lives possible, as it has in the past. | [10:04] |
mircea_popescu | now, on these reasonable expectations you posit that the government can somehow take the shine out of metal for their benefit ? | [10:04] |
mircea_popescu | the shine is to the metal, not separable. | [10:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24180 @ 0.00087717 = 21.21 BTC [+] {2} | [10:05] |
greenspan_fan | bitcoin's an idea, and to quote abraham lincoln once again, "there's nothing that can stop an idea whose time has come" | [10:05] |
greenspan_fan | but in the short term you can delay it, for sure | [10:05] |
mircea_popescu | more importantly : your average kid on reddit could not survive if i teleported him to a random place on earth. | [10:06] |
Vexual | tru dat | [10:06] |
mircea_popescu | of fucking course he expects what he expects neh ? | [10:06] |
mircea_popescu | but merely that of course he expects it is no ground to say of course it can be done. | [10:06] |
greenspan_fan | so I wish these people would just get with the program and not invite the apparatchiks (I think that's also the model of his desk? from ikea, maybe?) to mess things up | [10:06] |
mircea_popescu | of course children expect to be the kings of creation. so what of it ? | [10:07] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw | [10:07] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan but a) they're not inviting him anywhere, because wherever they are so is he already | [10:07] |
mircea_popescu | and b) what's he gonna fuck up ? reddit ? | [10:07] |
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greenspan_fan | I think we're mainly in disagreement w/r/t whether or not they'd be able to meaningfully intervene | [10:08] |
mircea_popescu | so model it. | [10:08] |
greenspan_fan | if I had the resources of the us govt, and I wanted to wreck bitcoin at all costs, I'd start w/ outlawing its use for payment, and impose penalties for anyone in my jurisdiction who has a bitcoin wallet | [10:09] |
mircea_popescu | you read the discussion re atc with asciilifeform ? | [10:10] |
greenspan_fan | no, can you link me? | [10:10] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#505460 | [10:10] |
greenspan_fan | then I'd move on to technical subversion, which might mean dedicating supercomputers to attack the blockchain, or just ddos/hack any of the major players | [10:11] |
mircea_popescu | you'd be perpetually too late. | [10:12] |
mircea_popescu | that is the problem. | [10:12] |
mircea_popescu | not that you couldn't have run, achilles, but that you neglected the turtle. | [10:12] |
jurov | greenspan_fan: there are much more cost effective options, and they are deployed right now | [10:12] |
jurov | this: http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm | [10:12] |
jurov | long but worthy. | [10:13] |
benkay | vexual that's crazy | [10:13] |
greenspan_fan | listening to it while my code compiles | [10:13] |
Vexual | toolong | [10:13] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bS-YnLf4s&list=PLB3AFACEE85B0C572 | [10:13] |
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greenspan_fan | mircea_popescu I think we're a year or two out before the hash rate reaches escape velocity | [10:14] |
mircea_popescu | really ? | [10:14] |
mircea_popescu | can you estimate current network hash in alu ops ? | [10:14] |
greenspan_fan | the bailout was like a trillion dollars | [10:15] |
mircea_popescu | you familiar with the concept of the bezzle ? | [10:15] |
greenspan_fan | yes, I am canadian after all :p | [10:15] |
greenspan_fan | for far less than a billion I could commission enough asics to make the network mine, for all intents and purposes | [10:16] |
mircea_popescu | ok so. they spent a trillion "Dollars", but those trillion dollars could not have bought a trillion one dollar ringdings | [10:16] |
mircea_popescu | no, you could not. | [10:16] |
mircea_popescu | you imagine infinite elasticity. this is false. | [10:16] |
mircea_popescu | the people who can make asics are ALREADY doing it, on their own account | [10:16] |
mircea_popescu | they don't need your billion. | [10:16] |
mircea_popescu | so what you got nao, pops ? | [10:16] |
mircea_popescu | keep your billion. | [10:17] |
greenspan_fan | thx, I need it for my rent anyways | [10:17] |
mircea_popescu | this is exactly the trap VCs in their own mind struggle with atm. | [10:17] |
mircea_popescu | "o, we got a billion" | [10:17] |
mircea_popescu | "well... enjoy shoving it in and out ?" | [10:17] |
mircea_popescu | their bitcoin being, of course, dollars, we couldn't, of course, care less. | [10:17] |
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greenspan_fan | as long as you spend it before the ponzi implodes you're in the clear, no? | [10:18] |
mircea_popescu | who you're going to spend it to ? | [10:18] |
mircea_popescu | you're desperate to spend it, and the people you need to do things aren't desperate to get it. | [10:18] |
jurov | greenspan_fan: you imagine tsmc can and will reject all orders for 2 month or so just cause usg drops a billion? | [10:18] |
greenspan_fan | the nsa, intel, whomever | [10:18] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan if the nsa, intel, whomever actually could hire more people | [10:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16528 @ 0.00087979 = 14.5412 BTC [+] {3} | [10:18] |
mircea_popescu | they'd hire some people who wouldn't be spilling their beans each year. | [10:19] |
greenspan_fan | if you model leaks as a poisson process, they're actually pretty air-tight | [10:19] |
greenspan_fan | plus, you're assuming that technical talent doesn't respond to things like patriotism | [10:19] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475162 << and see that too for better context. | [10:20] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan technical talent DOES respond to patriotism much more than to money. | [10:20] |
greenspan_fan | a few posters of rosie the solderer and voila, you've got your asics | [10:20] |
mircea_popescu | the problem is, their country is the serenissima, | [10:20] |
mircea_popescu | and your shitty empire trying to infiltrate it will pay through the teeth for no results at all. | [10:20] |
greenspan_fan | as a (possibly out of date) counter example, I could point to the manhattan project | [10:21] |
greenspan_fan | thousands of supremely bright, capable people, managed by the army, built an atomic bomb in like three years | [10:21] |
mircea_popescu | still with the manhattan project ? | [10:22] |
mircea_popescu | you know this was a majorly discussed topic recently hiar. | [10:22] |
mircea_popescu | do you ? | [10:22] |
mircea_popescu | anyway : back then the most serene republica veneta was the us. much in the sense of how back then the bitcoin of the world was the usd. | [10:23] |
jurov | greenspan_fan: anyway, what you suggest is *not* about building something, but the exact opposite | [10:23] |
mircea_popescu | thigns have changed. we have a real republic and a real bitcoin now, which leaves the us back among its peers. | [10:23] |
mircea_popescu | jurov here's the funny thing on top of it : if the us actually DID try to build something, like a superadvanced asic design ? we'd get it for free in the next leak bundle. | [10:24] |
mircea_popescu | and we'd use it better than them, so overal... thanks for the fishes. | [10:24] |
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greenspan_fan | I'm not saying this is likely, or even permanent | [10:28] |
greenspan_fan | just that my preference would be to avoid the struggle | [10:29] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [10:32] |
greenspan_fan | because I value my time | [10:34] |
mircea_popescu | but how else is your time to be spent ? | [10:34] |
mircea_popescu | "life is on the wire. everything else's just waiting." | [10:34] |
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Vexual | todays fish is trout a la creme | [10:36] |
greenspan_fan | I just don't really see an upside to tedious interference by lansky et. al. | [10:36] |
Vexual | enjoy your meal | [10:36] |
jurov | not seeing an upside is different thing than | [10:36] |
jurov | "subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin" | [10:36] |
greenspan_fan | by valuable aspects I meant things like consistent network performance, ease of exchange, ease of adoption | [10:38] |
mircea_popescu | uh. | [10:38] |
mircea_popescu | not only those aren't the valuable aspects of bitcoin | [10:38] |
mircea_popescu | but it doesn't even have them. | [10:38] |
greenspan_fan | (for some values of the above) | [10:38] |
mircea_popescu | "the valuable aspects of icecream : warmth" | [10:39] |
mircea_popescu | "for some values of warm" | [10:39] |
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greenspan_fan | best served at 250 kelvin | [10:39] |
greenspan_fan | there are others, but those are kind of baked in | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin has terrible overhead and it is without a doubt the klunkiest, most ineffectual way to transmit payments ever devised | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | i nthe history of mankind. | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | you think that's its main value ?! | [10:40] |
jurov | lol, like some fb derp wrote just hour ago that mtgox failure is "damaging bitcoin philosophy" | [10:40] |
greenspan_fan | haha | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | jurov clearly. | [10:40] |
jurov | i just replied what philosphy? stfu pls | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | oppressor. | [10:40] |
Vexual | satoshi designed it that gox might imrove the philosophy | [10:41] |
greenspan_fan | no, I think it's actually really elegant | [10:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06398999 = 0.256 BTC [+] {2} | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan sure, it is really elegant, but not for those reasons. | [10:41] |
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greenspan_fan | "get off my wall with your cis-decafe-non-mtgox privilege" | [10:42] |
Vexual | whats that when its a sentence? | [10:42] |
greenspan_fan | 10-to-life for hate crimes? | [10:42] |
Vexual | oh | [10:43] |
mircea_popescu | o look who's here. | [10:44] |
greenspan_fan | mircea_popescu as a means of exchange, all those things are valuable though, and most easily attacked | [10:44] |
mircea_popescu | greenspan_fan you have any kids ? | [10:44] |
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greenspan_fan | mircea_popescu nope, why? | [10:45] |
davout | bitcoin. stahp. | [10:45] |
mircea_popescu | well, most parents have this experience. whereby angry 5 yo threatens to hold his breath to death. | [10:45] |
mircea_popescu | first timers get really panicked about it. | [10:46] |
mircea_popescu | sane people couldn't care less. when kid's had enough holding his breath he'll give up on it. | [10:46] |
Vexual | how long has facebook been a thing? | [10:49] |
mircea_popescu | ~5 years. | [10:50] |
greenspan_fan | since 2005 or so, I think | [10:50] |
greenspan_fan | Feb 4, 2004 | [10:51] |
greenspan_fan | jesus | [10:51] |
mircea_popescu | when it was started != when it was a thing | [10:51] |
Vexual | i wonder how many humans it has created | [10:52] |
greenspan_fan | I am going to say, at least 500 million | [10:52] |
greenspan_fan | most of those were immediately pre-ipo | [10:53] |
Vexual | i mean random dads | [10:53] |
Vexual | it aint 500m | [10:54] |
greenspan_fan | I wonder if they've modelled that internally? | [10:54] |
greenspan_fan | I was thinking more "users" to inflate their statistics | [10:54] |
mircea_popescu | was geared towards college kids originally, so prolly plenty. | [10:56] |
Vexual | either way its prolly closer to 500m than 0 in a sense | [10:56] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGAtHc_e_0 | [11:04] |
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Vexual | no more factories, but heres a tablet app | [11:04] |
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KRS-One | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDYGlDV4ldo | [11:07] |
mircea_popescu | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Women_working_at_Douglas_Aircraft.jpg | [11:09] |
mircea_popescu | gotta love 1940s jean cut. | [11:09] |
Vexual | worldpop was smaller then mircea, it's all skinny jeans now | [11:11] |
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mircea_popescu | skinny jeans are okay, but not really for everyone. | [11:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16724 @ 0.00088092 = 14.7325 BTC [+] {3} | [11:12] |
Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH6ZRJlTsDY | [11:16] |
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Vexual | i ypothesise that you can't put too many ants into a colony, something normal will happen | [11:16] |
Vexual | hormones and all | [11:17] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00469998 = 0.1457 BTC [+] {2} | [11:22] |
Vexual | just liek these gox protesters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4S4NpdJug | [11:23] |
KRS-One | That was a kind of famous picture mircea_popescu | [11:24] |
Vexual | whats that? | [11:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1794 @ 0.00087916 = 1.5772 BTC [-] | [11:24] |
Vexual | riviting aircarft? | [11:25] |
KRS-One | yes | [11:25] |
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Vexual | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA | [11:26] |
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Vexual | hey bugpowder, do yo uthink you can sell fireants with double testosterone to the ethical standards comitte? | [11:35] |
mircea_popescu | yeah it was. | [11:36] |
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Duffer1 | has there been any b-a discussion of kurzweil or singularity? | [11:43] |
Duffer1 | or trilema? | [11:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 207 @ 0.0021795 = 0.4512 BTC [-] | [11:48] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 789 @ 0.00018902 = 0.1491 BTC [-] {3} | [11:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.0021795 = 0.9808 BTC [-] | [11:50] |
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mircea_popescu | on trilema some. | [11:58] |
Duffer1 | i have been unable to locate such | [11:59] |
mircea_popescu | soo ukraine just defaulted ? | [12:00] |
jurov | where? | [12:00] |
mircea_popescu | word around the campfire. | [12:02] |
mircea_popescu | there's a coupla bn in 2015 notes that are being written off. | [12:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 650 @ 0.00018 = 0.117 BTC [-] {3} | [12:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00017504 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {6} | [12:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 916 @ 0.000175 = 0.1603 BTC [-] | [12:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1172 @ 0.00017002 = 0.1993 BTC [-] {5} | [12:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087916 = 2.7254 BTC [-] | [12:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [-] | [12:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+] | [12:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5381 @ 0.00088144 = 4.743 BTC [+] | [12:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00469994 = 0.4935 BTC [-] {4} | [12:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017 = 0.17 BTC [-] {4} | [12:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+] | [12:24] |
mircea_popescu | jurov re blinding : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKp67SrSLlM | [12:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8145 @ 0.0008759 = 7.1342 BTC [-] {2} | [12:33] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07000005 = 1.47 BTC [-] {2} | [12:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0047 = 0.2397 BTC [+] | [12:54] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [12:56] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.0, Best ask: 575.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 576.99, 24 hour volume: 39740.40054212, 24 hour low: 530.01, 24 hour high: 604.5, 24 hour vwap: 571.791472504 | [12:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0047 = 0.423 BTC [+] | [13:00] |
Mallstromm | ;;market sell 40000 | [13:01] |
gribble | Bitstamp | A market order to sell 40000 bitcoins right now would net 13173637.7416 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 329.3409 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0292 seconds | [13:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00088516 = 11.5956 BTC [+] {2} | [13:01] |
BingoBoingo | ;;lasers | [13:10] |
gribble | ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* | [13:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48100101 = 1.924 BTC [-] | [13:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481001 BTC [-] | [13:26] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.48015143 = 3.3611 BTC [-] {2} | [13:37] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00087782 = 11.8453 BTC [-] {2} | [13:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3056 @ 0.00087576 = 2.6763 BTC [-] | [13:52] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2553 @ 0.00087712 = 2.2393 BTC [+] | [14:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1631 @ 0.00087524 = 1.4275 BTC [-] | [14:21] |
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ThickAsThieves | http://bitnode.io provides public & private p2pool nodes. 0% fee on public nodes. private nodes on inquiry. private nodes and altcoin nodes coming soon | [14:33] |
KRS-One | He should just send the 5000 euros to me, at least I'll send him an autographed nudic pic back for his troubles. | [14:34] |
KRS-One | ;;seen ozbot | [14:34] |
gribble | ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: |
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KRS-One | why | [14:34] |
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ThickAsThieves | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHVWegNfQl0#t=54 | [15:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4783 @ 0.00087278 = 4.1745 BTC [-] | [15:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-] | [15:07] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0029 = 1.45 BTC [-] {2} | [15:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2} | [15:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00087204 = 0.872 BTC [-] | [15:20] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14189 @ 0.00087398 = 12.4009 BTC [+] {2} | [15:32] |
ThickAsThieves | ticks are so nasty | [15:33] |
ThickAsThieves | gmaxwell: wumpus: yea, I understand they had timed automatic reissues... :( this was also something I didn't know prior to monday before last and is one of the other reasons my "they couldn't have lost much!" position softened to "I have no freeking clue." | [15:36] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;later tell bugpowder http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2014#521580 | [15:38] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [15:38] |
ThickAsThieves | from: http://pastebin.com/DaSph9uT | [15:39] |
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Mallstromm | ThickAsThieves : old news | [15:42] |
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ThickAsThieves | old news in this chan? | [15:46] |
ThickAsThieves | if so sry | [15:46] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-] | [15:47] |
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davout | http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/ | [15:50] |
davout | where is ozbot? | [15:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10706 @ 0.00087537 = 9.3717 BTC [+] {2} | [15:55] |
random_cat | .bait | [15:56] |
jurov | davout so what do you use? | [15:56] |
davout | jurov: i'm used to ozbot fetching the <title>, doesn't really matter :-) | [15:57] |
jurov | no i mean instead fo cloudflare | [15:57] |
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davout | jurov: nothing | [16:03] |
davout | i'll have to eventually figure something out | [16:03] |
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davout | last time i got DDoS'd i set up a different IP, and sent it to customers that asked for it | [16:04] |
davout | i think an e-mail MPEX-like API would be good | [16:04] |
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davout | i don't have a definitive answer | [16:05] |
davout | maybe i'll end up using them if i can make sure nothing sensitive goes thru | [16:05] |
davout | imma replace bitcoin addresses displayed on the website by gpg-signed e-mail receipts for example | [16:06] |
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jurov | you can show gpg signed output in browser, too | [16:07] |
jurov | pity there isn't a plugin that can verify it, tho | [16:07] |
jurov | triyng to develop it would prolly be best way to let nsa goons to identify themselves :D | [16:08] |
jurov | https://webpg.org/?view=downloads#ext-firefox hmmm but there is something | [16:09] |
jurov | if it is sound project, maybe everyone at #assets can push it for their projects | [16:13] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+] | [16:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06362249 = 0.2545 BTC [+] {2} | [16:16] |
ThickAsThieves | interesting | [16:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06399999 = 0.128 BTC [+] | [16:17] |
davout | jurov: the problem with showing the GPG data in browser is that said data would be generated asynchronously | [16:19] |
jurov | you need to generate deposit addy asynchronously? | [16:20] |
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davout | the GPG-signature and address generation can't happen on the web facing servers | [16:23] |
davout | that protects you against a compromised server too | [16:24] |
davout | because if you work from the assumption that no frontend/app server will ever be compromised you're in for a world of pain | [16:24] |
davout | the best way to design security is IMHO to consider that you're already compromised, at least to some extent | [16:25] |
jurov | it can still happen elsewhere | [16:26] |
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jurov | asynchronicity by itself will not help you against frontend compromise | [16:28] |
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davout | asynchronicity is merely a consequence of "the frontend doesn't know shit about where the sensitive server is" | [16:32] |
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jurov | i don't think it's absolutely necessary consequence | [16:42] |
jurov | it's sufficient if the sensitive server has minimal interface exposed to frontend and does not implicitly trust it | [16:42] |
jurov | it cen even be behind proxies like mpex does and still can be pretty responsive | [16:42] |
jurov | but what i want to discuss, if we all can force users to install gpg browser plugin | [16:45] |
asciilifeform | gpg running automatically in a browser (or elsewhere) is questionable wisdom. | [16:45] |
jurov | and use it to auth to the service and verify sensitive data it got back | [16:45] |
jurov | i don't believe anything more is achievable while providing srvice to chumps | [16:46] |
asciilifeform | verify, ok. sign/decrypt without human trigger pull - no thanks | [16:46] |
jurov | they can then easily migrate to using cardano | [16:46] |
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asciilifeform | jurov: one of the reasons why cardano is that the host machine does not automatically know that a cryptographic widget, as such, is plugged in. | [16:47] |
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asciilifeform | only the human knows | [16:48] |
asciilifeform | a dedicated piece of soft for talking to cardano defeats this purpose. | [16:48] |
asciilifeform | and creates an easy target | [16:48] |
jurov | all that is actually needed is to have ability to save to file/load from file | [16:50] |
asciilifeform | yes | [16:50] |
asciilifeform | but consider the question of whether an attacker can automatically determine that cardano is present and in use. | [16:51] |
asciilifeform | if you have any dedicated software component on the pc end (e.g. browser plugin), it is a target. | [16:51] |
asciilifeform | if, on the other hand, you merely move files onto and out of a usb drive... | [16:51] |
davout | asciilifeform: how is 'put file on usb device, check for encrypted file magically appearing' not possible ?? | [16:51] |
asciilifeform | davout: because it doesn't appear until the trigger is pulled | [16:52] |
davout | aaah | [16:52] |
davout | smart | [16:52] |
davout | automation is overrated | [16:52] |
asciilifeform | soviet nuke subs, it is said, have manually-cranked reactor controls. | [16:52] |
davout | well then the attack becomes more complex | [16:53] |
davout | think its still feasible tho | [16:53] |
davout | put file on usb dev | [16:53] |
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davout | wait | [16:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07147981 = 0.5004 BTC [+] {3} | [16:53] |
davout | if at some point encrypted copy appears, user pulled the trigger | [16:53] |
asciilifeform | not that a human, driving a pwned machine remotely, will remain permanently unaware that the victim owns a cardano | [16:53] |
davout | however the attack is easily detectable in taht case | [16:53] |
davout | yeah | [16:53] |
asciilifeform | but an automatic diddler is faced with a considerably-harder problem. | [16:54] |
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davout | true | [16:54] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07147989 = 0.2144 BTC [+] | [16:54] |
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jurov | how would cardano be hidden from someone watching my desktop? | [16:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07147999 = 0.7863 BTC [+] {2} | [16:55] |
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asciilifeform | jurov: once again, a human watching, if he has a brain, may eventually figure it out | [16:55] |
asciilifeform | but, unlike the case of a dedicated app, there is no simple mechanical test. | [16:55] |
MisterE | http://winkdex.com/#/ | [16:56] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00087097 = 12.1291 BTC [-] {3} | [16:58] |
jurov | but i did not mean the gpg plugin to ask cardano to encrypt/sign automatically | [17:00] |
asciilifeform | jurov: ideally, there would be nothing on the pc that suggests ownership of a cardano. | [17:01] |
asciilifeform | at all. | [17:01] |
jurov | then you want completely sterile machine that's booted every time from image, anyway | [17:03] |
asciilifeform | jurov: for some applications, this makes sense. | [17:03] |
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davout | IBM was right, it's better manually | [17:12] |
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kakobrekla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrxPuk0JefA | [17:16] |
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mike_c | mircea_popescu: i don't know what the discrepency is, but my logs disagree with that. Like I am seeing that Jan. 25th and Jan. 28th were basically down all day and I just got stock bid/asks from the market depth feed. who knows. i'll look for bugs in my poller sometime. | [17:20] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00087004 = 4.1762 BTC [-] {2} | [17:21] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0714 = 0.1428 BTC [-] | [17:24] |
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davout | kakobrekla: haha incredible | [17:34] |
davout | (i'm so fucking scared now to say the ama zing word) | [17:34] |
davout | i can't believe it's not some sort of clever gopro ad | [17:35] |
pankkake | amazing | [17:35] |
davout | nooooooo | [17:35] |
davout | oh wait, it is a clever go pro ad | [17:35] |
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Jere_Jones | http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ | [17:38] |
Jere_Jones | Damn, that was hard to find. | [17:38] |
davout | ;;google cardano snsa | [17:39] |
gribble | S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: |
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Jere_Jones | Yeah. I didn't know the snsa part. :) | [17:40] |
davout | :-) | [17:43] |
Jere_Jones | Now maybe I can re-read the earlier discussion and it will make more sense. | [17:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086986 = 4.6538 BTC [-] | [17:47] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000175 = 0.175 BTC [-] {2} | [17:54] |
davout | kakobrekla: where's the bitbet on mtgox's solvency ? | [17:58] |
pankkake | http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/ | [17:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2} | [18:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101005 = 0.202 BTC [+] {2} | [18:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2} | [18:00] |
davout | ty | [18:00] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] | [18:13] |
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diametric | http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ | [18:21] |
diametric | thats gonna sting | [18:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087213 = 3.8723 BTC [+] | [18:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00087105 = 9.3638 BTC [-] | [18:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00299997 = 0.171 BTC [+] | [18:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299998 = 0.12 BTC [+] | [18:30] |
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the20year2 | The contract was accepted completely on the 2 houses on 1 lot :) | [18:37] |
BingoBoingo | Sweet, Serena Williams lost, so I made money. | [18:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.95323557 BTC to 2`431 shares, 80347 satoshi per share | [18:59] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00087219 = 7.7625 BTC [+] {3} | [19:01] |
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TomServo | .d | [19:03] |
TomServo | Oh yeah. No ozzy. | [19:03] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] | [19:09] |
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benkay | mornin | [19:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.020002 = 0.2 BTC [-] {4} | [19:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07148 = 0.2144 BTC [+] | [19:27] |
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asciilifeform | from btce russian trollbox: '[gox] will end up like soviet gensec: after prolonged illness, perished unexpectedly...' | [19:43] |
pankkake | can russians still use btc-e? | [19:44] |
pankkake | or any exchange | [19:45] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.090005 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3} | [19:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087093 = 1.7419 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2} | [19:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00087029 = 7.441 BTC [-] {2} | [20:01] |
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benkay | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1b9iyl/my_friend_foolishly_let_me_ssh_into_his_account/c95chhf | [20:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00449094 = 0.1886 BTC [-] {3} | [20:10] |
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nubbins` | tourette hooker neighbour is locked out of house | [20:19] |
nubbins` | idly considering calling police to report break-in in progress | [20:19] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [20:22] |
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ThickAsThieves | what is it with women not saying what theu mean all the time | [20:22] |
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benkay | do it nubbins` | [20:29] |
ThickAsThieves | "i was going to ask you to write a check for the floor guy, but he's leaving now" "ok, but he's here now, i can write a check now, right?" "he's leaving now" "so write a check for him now?" "yes, that's what i said." | [20:30] |
ThickAsThieves | pretty much all wife-to-husband communication | [20:30] |
mike_c | hah. i have had that exact conversation recently. | [20:33] |
* | benkay gives ThickAsThieves a katana. it is enchanted +5 specifically for cutting through female chatter. | [20:34] |
ThickAsThieves | it works in reverse too, like when you say something that's seems painfully clear, it gets interpreted as the much less likely but arguable possible version | [20:35] |
ThickAsThieves | arguably* | [20:35] |
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ThickAsThieves | "I don't want french fries." "Oh you already ate?" | [20:36] |
ThickAsThieves | and such | [20:36] |
ThickAsThieves | everything must mean something more, i guess | [20:38] |
benkay | if you let it | [20:38] |
benkay | "dear, the simplest interpretation is the one you're looking for." | [20:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [-] | [20:39] |
benkay | no, i just don't want any french fries. | [20:40] |
benkay | vigilance against being disposed of? | [20:41] |
ThickAsThieves | but are you hungry?! | [20:41] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [20:41] |
benkay | ;;calc 40*4/2 | [20:43] |
gribble | 80 | [20:43] |
benkay | 80 | [20:43] |
nubbins` | dealing with this client who runs a hot yoga studio | [20:44] |
nubbins` | she said she'd be by last night at 7:30 to pick up her order | [20:44] |
nubbins` | i waited til 9:45, unil "sorry i forgot!" | [20:44] |
nubbins` | today: "i'll pick them up at 2pm". 2:45: "i'll be there soon." 3:00: "can i pick them up at 4?" | [20:45] |
ThickAsThieves | "you can pick them up whenever i'm here" | [20:45] |
nubbins` | because hey, everyone is a robot but her and she's the only person whose time is valuable | [20:45] |
nubbins` | if she's not here by 4:00pm exactly, i am literally not answering the door when she arrives | [20:45] |
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ThickAsThieves | at some point i stopped allowing pickups | [20:46] |
nubbins` | nod | [20:46] |
ThickAsThieves | all prices included shipping costs | [20:46] |
ThickAsThieves | FREE shipping! | [20:46] |
nubbins` | heh | [20:46] |
nubbins` | she wanted organic racerback-style tank tops. such a thing does not exist. the closest we could find was tanks with 6.25% organic cotton | [20:47] |
nubbins` | so instead of getting regular cotton tanks shipped from the next province over, we order 6.25% organic tanks shipped from the exact opposide end of the continent | [20:47] |
nubbins` | because, y'know, eco-friendly | [20:47] |
nubbins` | idly considered buying regular cotton tank tops and sewing a 1" organic cotton seam on the bottom | [20:48] |
nubbins` | round it up to an even 10% organic | [20:48] |
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nubbins` | honestly, given the choice between being "eco-friendly" and giving the appearance of it while being the opposite | [20:49] |
nubbins` | people almost invariably choose the appearance | [20:49] |
ThickAsThieves | just rip all tags out always and imprint your own branding | [20:49] |
ThickAsThieves | builds customer "loyalty" | [20:49] |
nubbins` | have idly considered this, but sizing | [20:49] |
nubbins` | next thing you've got 4 screens, one for each size S-XL | [20:49] |
nubbins` | might do it anyway tho, we use these nice shirts now that have easy-tear tags | [20:50] |
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ThickAsThieves | is tagging legally required at all? | [20:51] |
ThickAsThieves | i suppose people have allergies? | [20:51] |
nubbins` | country of origin and care instructions are mandatory | [20:52] |
nubbins` | not sure about materials, but probably | [20:52] |
nubbins` | some brands have two tags: a brand tag and a care/materials tag | [20:52] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4360 @ 0.00087314 = 3.8069 BTC [+] | [21:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00087396 = 12.4102 BTC [+] | [21:12] |
kakobrekla | http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail_w530/public/slike/2014-02-21-napihovanje-temelji-juna%C5%A1kih-src-slovenskih-olimpijcev-24165.jpg?itok=I8pyq9aF | [21:15] |
kakobrekla | is true. | [21:16] |
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nubbins` | she showed up with SIX MINUTES to spare | [21:26] |
nubbins` | and of course she arrived in a smart car | [21:26] |
nubbins` | groan | [21:27] |
dub | is she fat? | [21:27] |
nubbins` | no, she runs a yoga studio | [21:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2827 @ 0.00087235 = 2.4661 BTC [-] {2} | [21:29] |
dub | both yoga instructors I've had were a bit chunky, havent done bikram though | [21:30] |
kakobrekla | did you do yoga or did you do the instructors? | [21:32] |
dub | the yoga | [21:32] |
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greenspan_fan | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/harvard-supercomputing-cluster-hijacked-to-produce-alt-cryptocurrency/ | [21:35] |
dub | i did an aerobics instructor if that helps | [21:35] |
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nubbins` | helps what? :D | [21:36] |
KRS-One | she must have had a nice bod | [21:38] |
KRS-One | ;;seen ozbot | [21:38] |
greenspan_fan | it's funny, because I was thinking of using a supercomputer to mine dogecoin, but decided not to because the idea was idiotic on many levels | [21:39] |
asciilifeform | botnet is cheaper | [21:39] |
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KRS-One | When the hell is he getting back here with my porn | [21:39] |
asciilifeform | and expandable. | [21:39] |
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greenspan_fan | but I don't have l33t hacker skillz | [21:39] |
KRS-One | all u have to do is write some gay malware | [21:40] |
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greenspan_fan | It's not for me. I've seen that movie w/ keanu reeves. I don't even know kung fu. | [21:40] |
asciilifeform | most crapnet artists have no l33t sk1llz | [21:40] |
asciilifeform | they just buy a ride from professional spammers | [21:41] |
greenspan_fan | enh. just doesn't seem like a good thing to get involved with | [21:41] |
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asciilifeform | neither is mooching cpu cycles from employer | [21:42] |
greenspan_fan | who said I'm employed? | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | well, from whoever | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | but if you're hijacking something, why not a supercomputer. 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb.' | [21:43] |
greenspan_fan | I think it would be a good story to tell in prison | [21:43] |
asciilifeform | 'whatcha in for? doge' | [21:43] |
greenspan_fan | "wow" | [21:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086936 = 9.7368 BTC [-] | [21:44] |
nubbins` | such time | [21:44] |
nubbins` | many soap | [21:44] |
asciilifeform | several places have massive fpga clusters, hijack those. | [21:46] |
asciilifeform | not intel crap | [21:46] |
nubbins` | fuck that, hijack a train | [21:46] |
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greenspan_fan | interestingly, you might be able to hijack a shipment of fpgas or asics, which would make for the nerdiest heist movie in history | [21:55] |
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twizt | eh | [21:56] |
AndrewWhatsUpppp | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tONLDwGK1Qc | [21:56] |
jborkl | Anyone want to buy Google Glass for BTC- I have not ordered them yet so you can pick out color style | [21:57] |
twizt | when u want something done u gotta do it urself -_- | [21:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00086936 = 2.8689 BTC [-] | [22:09] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48143704 = 1.4443 BTC [+] {3} | [22:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19770 @ 0.00086934 = 17.1869 BTC [-] {2} | [22:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [+] {2} | [22:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] | [22:28] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+] | [22:40] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0625 = 0.25 BTC [+] {4} | [22:49] |
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ThickAsThieves | http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/21/280730201/enterprising-girl-scout-sells-cookies-outside-marijuana-clinic?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook | [22:49] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086801 = 5.9893 BTC [-] {2} | [23:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00086795 = 5.0341 BTC [-] | [23:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC | [23:22] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08499999 = 0.85 BTC [-] {2} | [23:25] |
nubbins` | http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/teksavvy-ordered-to-id-alleged-movie-downloaders-1.2546477 | [23:30] |
nubbins` | "[Judge] Aalto ordered that before Voltage can send a letter to the alleged downloaders, it must return to court to get the wording of its communications cleared by a case management judge." | [23:31] |
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nubbins` | "In order to ensure there is no inappropriate language in any demand letter sent to the alleged infringers, the draft demand letter will be provided to the court for review," Aalto wrote. "Any correspondence sent by Voltage to any subscriber shall clearly state in bold type that no court has yet made a determination that such subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages." | [23:31] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07148 = 3.0736 BTC [+] | [23:34] |
ll_ | hopefully that will slow infringement trolling in .ca | [23:35] |
mike_c | paging eulora support. any suggestions on investigating seg fault on launch? http://pastebin.com/pr0rpyfp | [23:36] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2169 @ 0.00017301 = 0.3753 BTC [-] | [23:38] |
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mike_c | nubbins` did you ever get this thing building/running? | [23:46] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00086904 = 20.6397 BTC [+] {2} | [23:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC | [23:50] |
nubbins` | mike_c: haven't had much time to look at it the past few days. having some issues getting crystalspace up and running | [23:51] |
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nubbins` | did you examine the xml file listed? | [23:52] |
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mike_c | i did. a large config file for the updater. | [23:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086942 = 5.4773 BTC [+] {2} | [23:59] |
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