Forum logs for 20 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: on another note: "Pussy Riot members attacked with whips by Cossack militia in Sochi" << bwahaha [02:50]
mircea_popescu mod6 yup :D [02:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this "theme of the century" bs is greatly loved by libertards, because it pretty much works like global warming. [02:52]
mircea_popescu there's very little data, and the data that is unwarrantly overrepresents what they like (ie, their own eco chambers) and fails to represent or misrepresents what actually happened. [02:52]
mircea_popescu o look, the "i didn't know i was on private" bs made it to here. [02:54]
mircea_popescu about five years ago an affiliate manager came up with the brilliant idea of doing two email blasts instead of one, because the first "had some mistakes" that "were corrected" [02:54]
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mircea_popescu it became fashionable because affiliate marketing is a very fashion driven industry, occupation, and so for about a year no email blast could ever be sent by anyone that was "correct". [02:55]
ThickAsThieves i never met an affiliate marketer i liked [02:56]
ThickAsThieves both web and irl types [02:57]
ThickAsThieves cue mp "That's how I got rich!" [02:57]
mircea_popescu nah not rly. [02:57]
mircea_popescu i did meet some i liked, [02:58]
mircea_popescu but what do you know, they were all women. [02:58]
mircea_popescu generally the affiliate marketing guy is a combo of sleazy car salesman and otaku fatso. [02:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.00391760 BTC to 18`616 shares, 59110 satoshi per share [02:59]
mircea_popescu cads: I think they want to see what a $1000 3d printer can do << by paying 700 for an itam ? wouldn't it be easier to just add 300 and check the printer at home ? [03:00]
ThickAsThieves surely not easier [03:00]
ThickAsThieves it's the easy that theyre paying for [03:01]
mircea_popescu i never paid 700k for a consome just to see waht a 1mn restaurant can do, i'll tell you that :D [03:01]
ThickAsThieves lol [03:01]
ThickAsThieves very fair comparison [03:01]
mircea_popescu totally. [03:01]
ThickAsThieves i stand erected [03:01]
mircea_popescu haha [03:01]
cads I mean, these guys currently... fly a guy overseas to look at a part. [03:02]
mircea_popescu cads i get it, i get it, burning through all that vc money is a fucking tough job. [03:02]
mircea_popescu hey cads, you had a blog did you ? [03:02]
cads nope, I was playing with one for some of my math stuff but I never published anything worth reading [03:04]
cads I keep wanting to get back to blogging [03:04]
mircea_popescu so then, here's your big thing : make a post introducing social justice as if it were set theory. [03:05]
ThickAsThieves WhatsApp had one investor, at $8m in 2011 [03:05]
cads hehe, I do love moral calculus. [03:05]
ThickAsThieves coke and whores for the whole team! [03:05]
mircea_popescu i'll argue the shit out of you, if nothing else then so anon retards have a model of how it works. [03:05]
mircea_popescu and maybe, who knows, understand actual generosity, [03:05]
mircea_popescu as opposed to their contemptible slimy thing. [03:05]
mircea_popescu the20year2: In a life or death situation i'm sure they don't care too much << did this guy just argue with a bunch of people about using the rifle as a club ? [03:06]
ThickAsThieves uh oh ""In terms of value creation, this is the biggest on record," re: WhatsApp [03:06]
ThickAsThieves what about teh buttcoinz? [03:06]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves see ? all the forum signs of greatness. [03:06]
mircea_popescu it's too easy for us. we are incredibly fucking powerful, just for having been here and seen it first hand. [03:07]
benkay ;;market [03:07]
gribble Error: "market" is not a valid command. [03:07]
benkay ;;ticker [03:07]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 627.85, Best ask: 628.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 627.85, 24 hour volume: 10920.95006922, 24 hour low: 617.0, 24 hour high: 636.0, 24 hour vwap: 626.88346818 [03:07]
ThickAsThieves how on gods bloody earth is a chat app worth $19b [03:07]
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ThickAsThieves especially one i never heard of [03:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves in exactly the same way it's a good idea for businesses to ask for "affordable housing" instead of tax rebates. [03:08]
mircea_popescu you have to have a special worm in your head, like tequilla. [03:08]
ThickAsThieves that's 19 Instagrams [03:09]
ThickAsThieves well maybe not anymore [03:09]
moiety mew all, how goes? [03:09]
ThickAsThieves probly lik 87 Instagrams now [03:09]
mircea_popescu pew moiety. just fine. [03:09]
cads ThickAsThieves: so.. whatapp? [03:09]
mircea_popescu which one is instagram ? [03:09]
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mircea_popescu tumblr is different right ? [03:10]
ThickAsThieves the photo filters [03:10]
moiety look at my feet through a weird filter = instagram [03:10]
mircea_popescu aok [03:10]
Apocalyptic ^ [03:10]
mircea_popescu definitelly worth 19 billion DOLLARS. [03:10]
cads mircea_popescu: instragram is photography for hipsters and hiphop kids [03:10]
mircea_popescu not likely worth five bitcoin, but 19 bn dollars...well... [03:10]
ThickAsThieves they basically put photobooths in an app and called it a day [03:10]
moiety tumblr = heres pics of everything in a back-to-front blog setup [03:10]
cads tumblr is miniblogging [03:10]
mircea_popescu i think that's where ozbot gets all those bad pictures of naked teenagers. [03:11]
moiety lol! [03:11]
ThickAsThieves .bait [03:11]
ozbot [03:11]
mircea_popescu cads so do we got a deal or are you too loath to commit ? [03:11]
ThickAsThieves :) [03:11]
mircea_popescu lmao the prostitution rests. [03:11]
ThickAsThieves perfect compliment to my erected joke! if only we planned [03:12]
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mircea_popescu pankkake you shall have a more detailed answer in a second. [03:12]
mircea_popescu o nm you already had it [03:12]
cads mircea_popescu: I'm not sure where I'd start to be honest [03:12]
moiety lolol talking of prostitution [03:12]
mircea_popescu you too ? [03:12]
mircea_popescu dude what's with you people, seriously. you believe in this, right ? [03:13]
mircea_popescu it's no shame, people believe all sorts of weird shit. [03:13]
cads I do want to do a mathematical treatise of some austrian school economics [03:13]
mircea_popescu but how can you go through your day not understanding what you believe in ? [03:13]
mircea_popescu i mean even the flat earth folks can EXPLAIN it to you if you ask. [03:13]
ThickAsThieves the earth is flat, it just appears spherical [03:14]
moiety lol this girl tries upmarket selling herself on a forum basically. you should see who replied [03:14]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves do you know who was the biggest believer ? [03:14]
ThickAsThieves napolean? [03:14]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [03:14]
mircea_popescu o no. almost contemporary. [03:14]
mircea_popescu the kruger guy for whom the krugerrand is named. [03:14]
mircea_popescu staunch. [03:14]
wao-ender very loyal and commited [03:15]
wao-ender instersting [03:15]
benkay o/ moiety [03:15]
mircea_popescu i tend to ask people with gold coin collections (which obviously WILL include some) "but you don't think the earth is flat, too, do youi ?" [03:15]
mircea_popescu absolutely nobody to date knew the reference. [03:15]
wao-ender oh here is reference [03:16]
moiety o aye up benkay :) how's you? [03:16]
mircea_popescu wao-ender no i mean about paul kruger [03:16]
cads mircea_popescu: I dunno, maybe I could do a situation with agents that act under various ignorance or misinformation constraints. [03:17]
cads I'm trying to think of the simplest measure of the fairness of a situation. [03:18]
mircea_popescu cads don't be bullied into it, but just consider that a) you really can't go through life like this and b) you definitely can't write the austrian thing for this reason. [03:18]
mircea_popescu sooner or later it'll have to be well resolved. [03:18]
wao-ender oh, we believes in that war with England, right? [03:18]
ThickAsThieves i think i just found a havelock bug, i sent a deposit to two different security accounts using 1 tx, it only deposited one amount [03:18]
wao-ender that his army can resist? [03:18]
mircea_popescu wao-ender they did it just fine for a while. but yes the boors. [03:19]
ThickAsThieves no way to exploit such thing, but annoying... [03:19]
wao-ender interesting life story [03:19]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves reverse-malleability. [03:19]
wao-ender well, but kinda it's true [03:20]
mircea_popescu moiety oyu know that "please allow me to analyse your situation" post is about as old as the internet ? [03:20]
wao-ender all we have, is the Hope. [03:20]
wao-ender Hope for next day. [03:20]
mircea_popescu i distinctly remember readinf the exchange in the mid 90s, thinking "look how retarded the mericans actually are, they believe this crap is respondent" [03:21]
moiety of course not! I've been banished from proper internetting for years! I loved his response though, fresh to me. [03:21]
moiety aw i think i find something good and it just turns out ive beenunder my rock for a while again lol [03:21]
mircea_popescu if i recall the original actually had good new england grammar [03:21]
cads hmm, so the service boasts half a billion users [03:22]
mircea_popescu cads AND VIEWS! pls do not forget the views. [03:22]
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cads yes, the views, the views, gotta count the views... [03:23]
cads .... views.... [03:23]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:23]
moiety i also learned today that ABBA admitted they wore the outfits they did for tax deductions [03:24]
mircea_popescu ... abba ?! [03:24]
moiety yeah lol [03:24]
mircea_popescu just how young are you darlin' ? [03:24]
moiety 29 years, a lot younger worldly. fair? [03:25]
mircea_popescu hehe i'm just pestering you. [03:25]
mircea_popescu you see, bois are fully allowed to love mac clintock, but god forbid a woman mentions abba like she heard of it. [03:25]
mircea_popescu gotta keep the double standards. [03:25]
moiety ah i forget those, go wandering into all kinds of sentences unwittingly [03:26]
mircea_popescu diametric the other interepretation is, that as long as you price your goods in dollars you're fine, and as long as you accept someone';s offer of doobaloos for your items you're also fine, [03:27]
mircea_popescu but you're not allowed to open a shop on 5th avenue which lists all prices in bitcoin and doesn't take usd, [03:27]
mircea_popescu nor are you allowed to pull the "this is just as good as usd" liberty dollar scam. [03:27]
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mircea_popescu the way to skirt this, for fun and profit, is obviously to open the 5th avenue shop with prices prominently displayed in bitcoin and a tiny print usd value underneath, like "We also take this shit if you absolutely must" [03:29]
mircea_popescu which will likely get you sued and congress pass a law saying dollars have to be just as big as anything else on the tag!!1 [03:29]
cads Hey guys, are you familiar with the multi-armed bandit problem? [03:29]
moiety lolol [03:29]
mircea_popescu cads yes [03:29]
moiety i thought most bandits had multiple arms [03:30]
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ThickAsThieves Dancing Queen was the first cover song in my first punk band [03:30]
moiety please say its online somewhere ThickAsThieves ! [03:30]
ThickAsThieves nope [03:30]
ThickAsThieves sorry [03:30]
moiety aww [03:30]
mircea_popescu moiety it's a formulation of the explore/exploit dilemma [03:31]
cads moiety: A one armed bandit is a slot machine, while the multi-armed bandit problem considers the best play in a situation with multiple slot machines with uncertain odds. [03:31]
mircea_popescu like suppose you're naked outdoors circa 4500 bc, and very hungry. [03:31]
mircea_popescu you find a bush with berries. [03:31]
mircea_popescu how long do you spend grazing and when do you leave looking for more bushes ? [03:31]
moiety when you have collected them all from the first [03:31]
mircea_popescu yes well, it gets more complicated than that. [03:32]
moiety ik sorry i couldnt resist [03:32]
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mircea_popescu god forbid someone marries you. [03:32]
moiety i think we can all safely assume thats not going to happen [03:32]
mircea_popescu attn all present jpm bankers. the girl won't leave till she's bled you dry! [03:32]
moiety LOL [03:32]
mircea_popescu hehe [03:32]
moiety but..she bakes! [03:32]
mircea_popescu do you pole dance ? [03:33]
moiety i feel my art is restricted with equipment [03:33]
moiety no [03:33]
mircea_popescu supposedly it's great exercise. [03:33]
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moiety the actual pole spins itself doesn't it, its not as difficult as it looks [03:34]
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mircea_popescu it can be about as difficult or easy as you want to make it for yourself. [03:34]
benkay i think not. strippers can't handle rotational inertia. [03:34]
mircea_popescu benkay they actually have both versions. [03:34]
benkay o of course [03:35]
benkay but you know [03:35]
benkay somewhere there's a cutoff. [03:35]
benkay 5% [03:35]
benkay ? [03:35]
benkay 25? [03:35]
benkay 2%?* [03:35]
mircea_popescu the problem with fixed poles is that girls want to lube it up [03:35]
benkay matter of taste. [03:35]
mircea_popescu which then gets kind-of disgusting [03:35]
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benkay which is why they wipe it down with solvent between performances, non? [03:36]
mircea_popescu someplaces. [03:36]
mircea_popescu the problem with that is the solvent isn't so kind on the sensitive skin of the thigs [03:36]
benkay so let it evaporate [03:36]
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benkay disease transmission's it's own peculiar set of tastes too. [03:37]
moiety looking at wiki, i think it just depends on the venue [03:37]
mircea_popescu you generally need a bill of health to work anywhere. [03:37]
moiety chinese pole dancers use two [03:37]
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mircea_popescu re winkdex : myeah, we have a serious problem with indexes. [03:40]
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mircea_popescu lol @ reddit link [03:43]
mircea_popescu "ono, someone said mean things to me ON THE INTERWEBS! PLS CARE" [03:44]
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mircea_popescu and the shit got like 200 votes and comments and whatnot. which clearly shows the importance of social media voting. [03:45]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: multi-armed bandit: [03:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is old news; 2nd tournament is mostly done now, too [03:49]
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mircea_popescu basically the appeal of civ was exactly this [03:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: contest inspired by Axelrod's prisoner's dilemma tournament [03:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know this inspires me ? one could formalise the problem with strings. [03:50]
asciilifeform they sorta did. [03:50]
moiety thats just along the road from me! [03:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hear me out : [03:50]
mircea_popescu you define actual words in the dictionary as "good stuff", and each player gets a selection of poems to complete. words themselves are worth points, filled lines are worth more points, filled poems even more. [03:51]
mircea_popescu then you give everyone strings, and they can read one char at a time [03:51]
mircea_popescu for a cost. or skip the string, for a larger cost. [03:51]
BingoBoingo I just caution against the spring anchored portable poles unless you like driving drunk girls to the ER at odd hours of the morning because they flew into a wall. [03:51]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nttawwt. [03:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform obviously player can only eat a word if the whole word has been read. [03:52]
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asciilifeform this sound like fun, but the contest was a robot-writing one [03:53]
asciilifeform rather than between players directly [03:53]
asciilifeform the final reports are worth reading [03:53]
mircea_popescu yes yes [03:53]
mircea_popescu you have to write the scripts for this. [03:54]
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mircea_popescu i was just describing what your bot is supposed to do. [03:54]
mircea_popescu well not your your. one's. [03:54]
asciilifeform what's the goal? to reproduce the poem before the other players? [03:54]
mircea_popescu get most moneyz [03:54]
mircea_popescu the key here, of course, being that the strings are not all created equal [03:55]
asciilifeform 'read one character at a time' << from another player's slate? [03:55]
mircea_popescu each string has its own per-character entropy, from epsilon to 8-epsilon [03:55]
mircea_popescu no, the string is in the middle. [03:55]
mircea_popescu "all players get copies of the same strings" say. [03:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: might want to describe this for the simple (i.e. mathematically) [03:56]
mircea_popescu that'll be hard ;/ [03:56]
mircea_popescu ok but let me try. [03:56]
mircea_popescu the game board consists of an endless set of strings, which all start as natural language constructs and are "decayed" by bit flipping by an actual rng. [03:57]
mircea_popescu once the decay is complete the game board is ready. [03:57]
mircea_popescu any number of players can play. [03:57]
mircea_popescu each player gets the same copy of the same list of strings. at any point each player has the choice of either reading one more character from their current string or advance ot the next string. [03:58]
mircea_popescu each player has a pre-given "Table" consisting of a number of natural language poems. these are actual literature. [03:58]
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mircea_popescu whenever a player has read a natural language word (ie, from the dictionary) out of the string (exact match, no mixing of letters or anything scrabble-ish) he now has that word. [03:59]
mircea_popescu the word on itself is worth something. if the word is actually part of one of the player's poems on their table, it's worth more. [03:59]
mircea_popescu if the player completes a line or a poem, more bonuses. [03:59]
asciilifeform sounds like a variation on 'Erudit' [03:59]
mircea_popescu he wins with the highest score once all players have read all strings. [03:59]
mircea_popescu does it ? [04:00]
mircea_popescu cause that's what i was wanting, to see if this is original or i'm just ineptly stumbling on well known (to everyone else) history. [04:00]
asciilifeform and it's not clear, from this description, that the ideal strategy is any kind of problem [04:00]
asciilifeform s/erudit/scrabble [04:01]
mircea_popescu why is that ? [04:01]
asciilifeform well, consider a bot. he can contain whatever, so he has an embedded dictionary (for the natural language of the poems) [04:02]
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asciilifeform or, failing that, simply the set of necessary words (all words from his poem slate) [04:02]
mircea_popescu no problem. so ? [04:02]
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mircea_popescu it is a given the bot would contain the dictionaries, sure. [04:03]
asciilifeform if the current buffer at any time does not match the beginning of any useful word, switch. [04:03]
mircea_popescu uh. [04:03]
mircea_popescu so you switch on character 1 of all strings ? [04:03]
asciilifeform unless i'm missing something [04:03]
asciilifeform not all, but once 'x' becomes 'xy' and there is no 'xylophone' in the table... [04:03]
mircea_popescu seems to me a better strategy may be to stick with a not-so-entropic string [04:03]
mircea_popescu than to switch and perhaps get a very entropic string. [04:04]
asciilifeform illustrate? [04:04]
mircea_popescu even if the xy atm has no xylophone. [04:04]
mircea_popescu ok. string one : xygfredfoxjumpedoverstan [04:04]
mircea_popescu string two acadafabadabababbadaafa [04:04]
asciilifeform from whence do the strings come? [04:05]
mircea_popescu they all start as natural language constructs [04:05]
mircea_popescu and are fuzzed to different (and unknown to players) degrees [04:05]
mircea_popescu some are very badly fuzzed. some very slightly. some in between [04:05]
asciilifeform random selections from dictionary, then permuted a character at a time before start? [04:05]
asciilifeform and with varying degrees of noise? [04:06]
mircea_popescu random selections from the poems given out, [04:06]
mircea_popescu and then noised. [04:06]
mircea_popescu basically the player becomes an exercise to measure the fuzzer parameters [04:06]
mircea_popescu in a half-blind fashion. [04:06]
asciilifeform but noised to differing degrees, deliberately? [04:06]
mircea_popescu yeah. [04:06]
asciilifeform then strategy is clear, measure the noise. [04:06]
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mircea_popescu that in principle is clear, but it helps as much as "capture enemy pieces" helps in chess [04:07]
mircea_popescu i suspect. [04:07]
asciilifeform certainly. [04:07]
mircea_popescu because measuring the noise has a cost in itself. [04:07]
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mircea_popescu moreover, take our original two strings. [04:08]
mircea_popescu when do you measure the noise ? [04:08]
mircea_popescu xy is noisier than ac [04:08]
mircea_popescu sampling problems. [04:08]
mircea_popescu xyg way noisier than aca [04:08]
asciilifeform noise being 'frequency of substrings that contain no valid words,' perhaps. [04:09]
mircea_popescu 2nd still less noisy [04:09]
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benkay hey mircea_popescu where's the essay in which you explain why proles can't afford privacy? [04:09]
asciilifeform fuck, i've played this game! [04:10]
asciilifeform with genetic sequences. [04:10]
asciilifeform long story. [04:10]
mircea_popescu [04:10]
ozbot Anonimity : not for the poor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was going to say, basically this game is the game of fucking life. [04:10]
mircea_popescu every programmer ever has basically played this with compilers and errors and blabla. [04:10]
benkay thankee sir [04:10]
mircea_popescu every engineer idem. [04:10]
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asciilifeform i meant, literally this game. [04:11]
asciilifeform with homology modelling. [04:11]
mircea_popescu o wow srsly ? [04:11]
mircea_popescu is it named anything ? [04:11]
asciilifeform not afaik [04:11]
mircea_popescu hey. [04:12]
asciilifeform but an actual expert might know. (i was thrown into that line of work by accident.) [04:12]
mircea_popescu i guess ima clean it up and put it on the t. [04:12]
asciilifeform i also have a hunch that it is a variant of Knapsack Problem [04:12]
mircea_popescu it certainly is. [04:12]
mircea_popescu im just not sure it's reducible to i. [04:12]
mircea_popescu it* [04:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00494 = 0.1037 BTC [+] {2} [04:13]
asciilifeform incidentally [04:13]
asciilifeform consider this knapsack packer: [04:13]
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asciilifeform you want, from a set n1, n2, n3, ... nk, a subset such that sum(...) = S [04:14]
mircea_popescu blackjack ? [04:14]
asciilifeform that was just a simplified restatement of problem; [04:14]
asciilifeform now consider a source of light, of known polarization, shining into a tube [04:15]
asciilifeform on the other end of tube, a filter which passes only light polarized P degrees. [04:15]
asciilifeform in the pipe, slides containing each a matrix of regions of optically rotating substance (chiral whatever) [04:15]
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asciilifeform each region rotates the light by d1, d2, ... dk degrees. [04:16]
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mircea_popescu "make porn appear on the screen" [04:16]
asciilifeform endgame is an exercise for the alert reader. [04:16]
asciilifeform (incl. how to get the answer out.) [04:16]
asciilifeform (and how to attach 'weights' to n1, ... nk) [04:17]
mircea_popescu your reader needs to be mighty alert. [04:17]
asciilifeform result: machine solving knapsack problem in polynomial time. [04:17]
asciilifeform (source: my turdbook, circa '08) [04:17]
mircea_popescu i bet you the most that comes out of this is some new quantum effect. [04:18]
asciilifeform this is a strictly 1900s contraption. [04:18]
asciilifeform [04:18]
asciilifeform (basic principle due to herr pasteur) [04:19]
benkay see asciilifeform even MP thinks your readers gotta be super alert. [04:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's sans the chiral bits :) [04:19]
mircea_popescu you will end up with separation issues at the region boundries i bet. [04:20]
asciilifeform damnit, you want that i draw the whole picture, and then some bozo maps knapsack to the discrete logarithm problem [04:20]
asciilifeform and then we can go cry [04:20]
mircea_popescu derp, they never do. [04:20]
mircea_popescu i tell you, the most happening is "wow, look, likght does THAT too ?!" [04:20]
* asciilifeform waves to dr. evil reading this [04:20]
mircea_popescu recall the early highschool physics "and now the light makes spots, and now the light makes lines" [04:20]
asciilifeform it's a brute-forcer for n-SAT, too [04:21]
asciilifeform because you can perform modular arithmetic using rotation [04:21]
asciilifeform idea is, some scattered light will take the correct path through the rotators [04:24]
asciilifeform if you can determine the path, you have answer. [04:25]
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mircea_popescu but you can't determine the path for very good reasons [04:27]
mircea_popescu known since about the 1900s [04:27]
asciilifeform not directly. [04:27]
mircea_popescu you won't be able to establish the path of light after you've measured its position [04:28]
mircea_popescu (tyhrough the rotation) [04:28]
asciilifeform no need. [04:28]
asciilifeform pull the rotator slides one by one [04:28]
asciilifeform and measure the error of the 'answer' [04:29]
mircea_popescu i tell you, this is a perpetuum lightmobile. [04:29]
mircea_popescu i'm a very theoretical physicist. i have no fucking idea of the formulas involved in physics, but i can tell you when you're wasting your time. [04:29]
asciilifeform i don't insist that this is a useful mechanism, that necessarily does 'the job'. only that 1) i never found any trace that it was proposed before 2) i cannot see a 'textbook' reason why it ought not to work [04:31]
lnovy (tldr, but...) conservation of energy? [04:32]
asciilifeform lnovy: please elaborate? [04:32]
lnovy sorry, off-topic problem, as i've said, tldr [04:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i for one certainly would like to see it built. [04:34]
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mircea_popescu lnovy nah, that was just a metaphor. [04:34]
lnovy mircea_popescu: :) [04:35]
asciilifeform incidentally, 'there are no new ideas', etc. and this is but a minor generalization of shamir's TWINKLE/TWIRL [04:35]
asciilifeform which i realized the next day. [04:35]
mircea_popescu not so minor. [04:35]
mircea_popescu it's actually pretty good sarcasm, re twinkle. [04:35]
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asciilifeform i only brought this up because armed bandits and knapsacks. [04:35]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [04:53]
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Duffer1 i wonder what KSR would extrapolate from blockchain tech [04:54]
mircea_popescu who ? [04:55]
Duffer1 kim stanley robinson [04:55]
benkay it was interesting to see the Accelerando guy take his stance on bitcoin being evil [04:55]
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Duffer1 charles stross [04:55]
benkay yeah, him. [04:55]
benkay when A. is basically all about what the world looks like after the hidebound states fall over [04:55]
benkay although in his vision it was the reputation system that cracked 'em open, not the breaking of the fiat bank. [04:56]
benkay makes sense, right? nerds want to have other nerds idolized by nerd-tokens. [04:56]
Duffer1 which is ironic since his latest book (which was frankly aweful) featured the cryptocurrency idea prominently [04:56]
mircea_popescu benkay tell you a secret : if all the people who had been up to this point claimed to be employed at or interested in bitcoin's business had recognised it and moved over, [04:56]
benkay not this power-concentrating pure money technology bullshit [04:56]
mircea_popescu i'd have been well fucking worried it's all a plant. [04:56]
asciilifeform stross, if i'm not mistaken, is the 'other kind' of writer [04:56]
mircea_popescu as it is, it's all fine. [04:56]
asciilifeform the kind with 'kolhozes on mars' [04:56]
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benkay ;;ud kolhozes [04:57]
gribble Google found nothing. [04:57]
mircea_popescu OF COURSE they would fight it tooth and nail. imagine someone invents a solution to all X problems tomorrow. [04:57]
mircea_popescu who do you think will fight it in the US ? those currently involved in X right ? [04:57]
asciilifeform ;;ud kolkhoz [04:57]
gribble | trending. hipster · neknominate · lumpatious · tittybong · poopsterbate · dtf · spectaphile · bae · yolo · pussy. categories. gaming · sports · food · sex · tv · film ... [04:57]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: kolkhoz [04:57]
benkay this is no secret to me, mircea_popescu [04:57]
asciilifeform bah. [04:57]
mircea_popescu i know :) [04:58]
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Duffer1 ;; tittybong [04:58]
gribble Error: "tittybong" is not a valid command. [04:58]
Duffer1 ;;ud tittybong [04:58]
gribble | tittybong. a place in Australia but also the act of the female appendage leaping from it's cotton, underwired prison. Can be used as an expression of pleasure...or  ... [04:58]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: tittybong [04:58]
benkay it's great right? [04:58]
benkay bitcoin stable for spring 2014 at 650 [04:58]
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benkay everyone thinks its crazy and or stupid [04:59]
benkay the ones who argue a) satoshi hoard and b) implementation-as-specification are right [04:59]
benkay but sadly also wrong [04:59]
benkay i have no idea how a) will resolve, but b) cannot stand. [04:59]
mircea_popescu < check out this shit. [05:00]
ozbot Bitcoin Beauties [05:00]
mircea_popescu "our project". wtf ? [05:00]
ThickAsThieves address starts with a 3? [05:00]
mircea_popescu ikr ? [05:01]
mircea_popescu fucking weirdest thing i've seen so far today. [05:01]
benkay they're excited about growth [05:01]
benkay my kinda babes. [05:01]
pankkake P2SH address [05:01]
mircea_popescu and i mean who wouldn't be. [05:01]
asciilifeform the '3' was a monkeywrench thrown by their monkey [05:01]
asciilifeform who resented being put to such a task. [05:01]
benkay "we appreciate your your support and stoke" [05:01]
ThickAsThieves lol [05:01]
ThickAsThieves there's something missing too [05:02]
ThickAsThieves beauty [05:02]
mircea_popescu well they're ok girls, whadda ya want. [05:02]
benkay great tits, too. [05:02]
mircea_popescu supposing of course the tiny shitty pictures aren't lifted. [05:02]
benkay [05:02]
ThickAsThieves i can see a shape of a nipple! [05:02]
* ThickAsThieves donates it all. [05:03]
benkay blew your wad, eh? [05:03]
pankkake girl pics for btc is something reddit is actually useful at [05:03]
moiety i go for hot chocolate and miss tits and bongs? ffs ping me next time [05:04]
mircea_popescu incidentally re p2sh : [05:04]
asciilifeform moiety: you also missed n-sat solver. [05:04]
mircea_popescu gavin put in code that made everyone downloading the latest versiion vote "yes" cause he wanted to see a yesz. [05:04]
mircea_popescu this got him exactly squat, showing about how important control of the new releases was [05:04]
mircea_popescu back in 2012. [05:04]
benkay whaaaaat [05:05]
asciilifeform p2sh ? [05:05]
pankkake well, pools don't really apt-get install bitcoin [05:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform some braindamaged extension of innate scripting capabilities [05:06]
mircea_popescu which was put together suspiciously quickly. [05:06]
pankkake but it allows to decentralize everything! [05:06]
asciilifeform bip-16 ? [05:06]
pankkake yes [05:06]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr was all against it iirc. [05:07]
mircea_popescu yeah [05:07]
pankkake see, you shouldn't hate Luke-Jr [05:07]
ThickAsThieves like against it with his crotch? [05:07]
mircea_popescu << lol. beleeted [05:07]
mircea_popescu then there was bip-17, an entire drama. [05:07]
asciilifeform [05:07]
benkay saw that [05:07]
asciilifeform ? [05:07]
benkay man if you delete shit [05:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+] [05:08]
benkay relevant to past business/coding exploits [05:08]
benkay u ams scam. [05:08]
moiety went looking for that asciilifeform lol [05:08]
benkay what was this forced voting thong? [05:08]
mircea_popescu it is pretty fucking stupid. [05:08]
ThickAsThieves are bitcoin software updates even going to be possible for much longer? [05:08]
mircea_popescu in his defense they "updated" the site like 5x in the interval, because you defo need moar logos and shit [05:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this is a sore spot power rangers would rather not go into. [05:08]
asciilifeform trying to figure out the point [05:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform look into bip-12 too while you're at it. [05:09]
moiety i still cant figure out the btcbeauties project apart from trying to hide the fat one [05:09]
ThickAsThieves she's just big-boned! [05:09]
moiety it's a trap! [05:10]
pankkake I like big boneds [05:10]
mircea_popescu me either, but i told em to drop by here. [05:10]
mircea_popescu maybe they do and then can explain. [05:10]
moiety i love how they went on location as probably too embarrassed to strip pff anywhere else [05:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.05329996 = 0.3198 BTC [-] {2} [05:11]
moiety lol i would love it if they did [05:11]
moiety drop by i mean [05:11]
mircea_popescu you ever been nude in public ? [05:11]
benkay don't they know the assettes only get off on public nudity? [05:11]
moiety let's define public. do you mean in view or just in a public place? [05:11]
mircea_popescu either way. [05:11]
moiety yes but not in view [05:11]
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mircea_popescu just establishing your credentials to bitch at them >D [05:11]
asciilifeform cursory reading of bip-12 suggests that it gives you a coin that sits on a magic addr, from whence it can, say, move to A1, A2, or A3 but nowhere else [05:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ono. it pulls up something from the stack. [05:12]
asciilifeform sure [05:12]
asciilifeform but i'm trying to enumerate the possible cases [05:12]
mircea_popescu it could do pretty much anything, such as never stop. [05:12]
mircea_popescu (turing complete) [05:12]
asciilifeform given that most of the opcodes in the classical client are commented out [05:12]
asciilifeform (or were, last i checked) [05:12]
asciilifeform as far as i can tell, pissing on this particular electric fence is strictly voluntary. [05:13]
mircea_popescu yup [05:13]
asciilifeform bip-12 appears to specify a max recursion depth of 2 [05:14]
mircea_popescu the argument isn't "o wow look btc is broken", the argument merely is "o hey, remember when gavin was a total asshat in 2012 ?" [05:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform admitting it is actually enforced. [05:14]
asciilifeform the devs stay on their ceremonial throne until the first bugocalypse. [05:15]
asciilifeform after that, they go somewhere else... [05:15]
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asciilifeform will be interesting to see what becomes of the empty throne. [05:16]
moiety how many bips are there? [05:16]
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asciilifeform moiety: [05:16]
moiety thank you asciilifeform [05:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-] [05:17]
asciilifeform wait a sec [05:17]
moiety jesus, lots [05:17]
asciilifeform bip-61 [05:17]
asciilifeform 'standard' and link -> 404 ?! [05:17]
asciilifeform nm [05:18]
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moiety sorry you guys hearts must sink when i come in [05:24]
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jayk i really hate commercials that have a doorbell [05:24]
jayk especially ones that sound exactly like mine [05:25]
benkay my heart sinks when truffles comes in. [05:25]
moiety lol i had a parrot that meowed and did the phone [05:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50004999 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {2} [05:26]
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bloctoc I apologize if it's already been discussed, but does anyone seen significance in mtgox stopping the drop today? [05:31]
benkay "stopping the drop"? [05:32]
benkay ;;ticker --market mtgox [05:32]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 262.345, Best ask: 264.695, Bid-ask spread: 2.35000, Last trade: 262.345, 24 hour volume: 33931.23630368, 24 hour low: 257.10001, 24 hour high: 298.0, 24 hour vwap: 265.3911 [05:32]
Duffer1 did they suspend trading or did the market stop selling? [05:32]
jcpham Winkdex! [05:33]
bloctoc if you look at 24 hour chart, there seems to be a willingness to buy at 261 [05:33]
bloctoc wondering if that's where mtgox needs the price to be to recapitalize. [05:33]
moiety this is how gox is protecting itself from closure. If they don't let anyone withdraw ever again, they can't ever really close [05:38]
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moiety (kidding) [05:38]
benkay not that good of a joke [05:40]
benkay too close to home [05:41]
benkay at least in their minds... [05:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00494 = 0.1927 BTC [+] [05:44]
mike_c 1) stop withdrawals. 2) use your 'unlimited account' to buy btc at 260. 3) use whatever you have left in the sofa cushions to process some withdrawals and restore some confidence 4) sell some of your cheap coins and use funds to process more withdrawals. 5) goto step 4. [05:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24814 @ 0.00086611 = 21.4917 BTC [+] {2} [05:47]
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Jere_Jones [05:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00086614 = 32.87 BTC [+] {2} [05:55]
benkay amen. [05:56]
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moiety i nabbed that [05:59]
mircea_popescu nice album art. [05:59]
mircea_popescu "A number of government lawyers involved in lawsuits over the NSA phone-records program believe federal-court rules on preserving evidence related to lawsuits require the agency to stop routinely destroying older phone records" [06:00]
mircea_popescu aka the "We must spy because you're sueing us about our spying" defense. [06:00]
mike_c [06:00]
ozbot Panacea Opens The Books - Btc Alpha [06:00]
mircea_popescu o hey. [06:01]
benkay well done mike_c [06:01]
mircea_popescu is this an exclusive ? [06:01]
mike_c you didn't even read it yet benkay! [06:01]
mike_c mircea_popescu: yup [06:01]
mircea_popescu so say so in the piece noob :D [06:01]
mike_c srsly. [06:01]
mike_c pr fail [06:01]
mircea_popescu next time. [06:01]
mircea_popescu i hereby summarize assets for all future times : [06:02]
benkay talking about the scoop, mike_c :0 [06:02]
mike_c oh :) [06:02]
mircea_popescu "hey guise! check out this neat thing i did" "x" "o fuck me". [06:02]
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mircea_popescu through its first five months of operations [06:03]
mircea_popescu s ? [06:03]
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mike_c August through january. i think that's 5 [06:03]
mircea_popescu but first five months of operation neh ? [06:04]
mike_c fuck [06:04]
mike_c that's 6 [06:04]
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pankkake great article [06:04]
mircea_popescu nice data. [06:04]
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moiety that's very nice mike_c :) [06:05]
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mike_c thanks. credit to kakobrekla for sending that along. very cool of him. [06:05]
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kakobrekla o very cool [06:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.003 = 0.324 BTC [+] [06:10]
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Apocalyptic nice article mike_c [06:10]
moiety there he is lol hi kakobrekla [06:10]
kakobrekla yes, here. hi! [06:11]
mike_c Apocalyptic: thanks. also, i believe awhile ago you mentioned you were interested in the income investments section, so check out it's version 1, but still some useful info i think. [06:11]
Apocalyptic just reading it now :) [06:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00482148 = 0.2604 BTC [-] {7} [06:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.48103001 = 4.3293 BTC [-] {2} [06:14]
benkay i think the assettes crashed your server, mike_c. [06:15]
benkay leastaways /income/ isn't serving anything for me. [06:15]
* benkay goes back to the ragel documentation [06:15]
mike_c browser? [06:15]
mike_c sry chan, i'll pm. [06:16]
benkay yeah it may be a browser thing [06:16]
benkay no man fuckit! debug in -assets! this is how we roll. [06:16]
mike_c ok! so what browser/os we working with here? [06:17]
benkay os x, firefox. [06:17]
mike_c oh, i don't support mac [06:17]
mike_c (kidding) [06:17]
benkay highchart js is the long-loading one. [06:17]
benkay and nevermind. [06:17]
mike_c loading? [06:18]
benkay nondeterministicwebbug. [06:18]
mike_c cool [06:18]
benkay mhm [06:18]
benkay "did you clear your cache?" [06:18]
benkay "did you restart your browser" [06:18]
benkay "did you restart your computer" [06:18]
mike_c you don't have to clear cache. i version my static files like a good webdev. [06:18]
benkay "are you running ie8?" [06:18]
moiety i was just reading the income page - nice page mike_c [06:18]
benkay lost an ie8 argument recently [06:19]
greenspan_fan what's an ie8 argument? [06:19]
mike_c thanks moiety. there is more to come on that page. [06:19]
mike_c should we support it. [06:19]
moiety bookmarked you! [06:19]
benkay that'd make you a better dev than most webbers. [06:19]
mike_c awesome [06:19]
benkay mike_c: you're still serving directly from highcharts. [06:19]
mike_c yes, that one i didn't want to bother serving locally. but i will probably change that b/c their server is down more than mine. [06:19]
benkay and i think it's a blocking call. [06:19]
mike_c ok, maybe i'll change it now. [06:20]
kakobrekla well since you are already taking complaints, in opera next witch already uses webkit, some charts get broked [06:20]
kakobrekla but i understand if you will not fix it [06:21]
mircea_popescu drama chick after performance : "how come people on stage never throw tomatoes @ the audience" [06:21]
kakobrekla i prolly wouldnt [06:21]
mike_c i already installed opera just for you kako. opera next is probably beyond your service contract. [06:21]
Apocalyptic who does use opera these days anyway [06:21]
benkay mike_c: did you see mircea_popescu's point a few days ago about the flipside of "you can raise it but you can't spend it"? [06:21]
kakobrekla LMAFO [06:21]
kakobrekla hats off mike_c [06:22]
Apocalyptic *except in somalia [06:22]
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mike_c benkay: recently? don't think so. i've been around for a couple discussions on the topic. [06:22]
Bugpowder Semi-rational mutagenesis [06:23]
benkay mike_c: the basic gist is that you can't spend it when btc price is going up 'cause derp, but then when you don't spend it in time you get a reaming from investors. [06:23]
benkay for failing to capitalize on high price. [06:23]
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mike_c hah, yeah, i read that. but that is a minor consideration against the order of magnitude changes when it goes up. [06:24]
Bugpowder mircea_popescu: I played that game quite a bit in grad school. [06:24]
Bugpowder For example [06:24]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder o hey so it has a name and everything ? [06:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out [06:25]
Bugpowder Well, it's not exactly the same game but similar enough [06:25]
Bugpowder You use degenerate PCR primers to evolve and screen fluorescent protein genes [06:25]
mircea_popescu shorter alphabet basicall ? [06:25]
Bugpowder trying to find an new one that matches [06:25]
Bugpowder well... 4 characters [06:25]
mircea_popescu shorter alphabet / longer verses. [06:25]
Bugpowder but you mutate base on the codons [06:26]
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Bugpowder so 3^3 'letters' [06:26]
mircea_popescu interesting [06:26]
Bugpowder since you need 3 to actually code an amino acid. [06:26]
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mircea_popescu but isn't it 3^4 then ? [06:26]
Bugpowder uhhh [06:27]
Bugpowder 4^3 [06:27]
Bugpowder yeah [06:27]
mircea_popescu right [06:27]
Bugpowder though some represent the same letter [06:27]
Bugpowder [06:27]
Bugpowder So you can specify ATGC [06:27]
mircea_popescu well cool! [06:27]
Bugpowder OR you can specify a blend of two, three or all four randomly assorted at that position [06:28]
Bugpowder Say you want to evolve a fluorescent protein to glow a different color [06:28]
Bugpowder you suspect that a few amino acids near the core chromophore will influence the color [06:28]
Bugpowder So you do a PCR reaction (make billions of copies of the DNA), but use primers that have these selective random patches at the points in the sequence you want to sample the variation space in [06:29]
moiety thats ace [06:30]
moiety why are oxford uni using comic sans [06:30]
Bugpowder your new gene sequence now has randomizations at those spots, as specified by your primer blend [06:30]
mircea_popescu right. [06:30]
Bugpowder then you mix the genes into a bunch of bacteria, and dilute the solution really far down, then spread it over many agar plates [06:31]
Bugpowder each bacteria that got one of the mutant genes in it will grow an independent colony [06:31]
Bugpowder hundreds or thousands on a plate [06:32]
Bugpowder and you can put them under a fluorescent light to see if you A) fucked the protein up or B) changed its color slightly. Take your best hits, sequence the gene to see what you've got, then repeat the process. [06:32]
Bugpowder This is how one gene, GFP, the green fluorescent protein [06:33]
Bugpowder Turned into many colors. [06:33]
Bugpowder Here is a painting of various color fluoresncet bacteria on a plate... created by this game... [06:34]
Bugpowder [06:34]
Bugpowder Most mutations kill the fluorescence (they don't match literate word, as a metaphor) [06:34]
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Bugpowder but a few work... Just need to find them.. by flipping 2-3 letters at a time [06:35]
Bugpowder Alternatively you can use error-prone PCR, which makes random mutations everywhere [06:35]
Bugpowder instead of targeted [06:36]
mircea_popescu ok that's pretty cool [06:36]
Bugpowder OR you can insert the gene into the hyper somatic recombination region of B cells (this is how antibody diversity is generated in your own immune system), and then let the B cells mutate the protein for you [06:37]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder did you obtain the painting by smear selected bacteria or by smearing uniform bacteria with particular mutagen ? [06:37]
Bugpowder Then you just sort millions of cells over and over again till you enrich the color you want. [06:37]
Bugpowder mircea_popescu: That was made by the former [06:37]
mircea_popescu aha [06:37]
Bugpowder different colors has already been evolved [06:38]
mircea_popescu i can't help but think you're pretty close to biofilm 3d printing. [06:38]
Bugpowder Then a friend made a pallete of different color bacteria and painted the plate with a dilute solution of them. Waited 48 hours and that was the impressive result [06:38]
Bugpowder (its under UV illumination) [06:38]
mircea_popescu which... you know, if galateea ever happens... [06:39]
moiety Bugpowder, may i please use this picture? [06:39]
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Bugpowder It's on wikipedia [06:39]
Bugpowder I think. [06:39]
moiety fab [06:39]
Bugpowder I think I put it there many years ago [06:40]
Bugpowder Yup [06:40]
Bugpowder [06:40]
ozbot Green fluorescent protein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:40]
moiety it is really cool, i started an album after the illustrating science challenge last year [06:40]
Bugpowder BTW this work won the 2008 Nobel prize. [06:40]
Bugpowder in Chemistry [06:40]
mircea_popescu pretty cool. [06:41]
moiety i need glofish in my life [06:41]
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moiety A Japanese-American Team created green-fluorescent cats as proof of concept to use them potentially as model organisms for diseases, particularly HIV.[42] I volunteer to look after them [06:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for your warez pleasure: [06:44]
mircea_popescu uh. [06:45]
mircea_popescu djvu ? [06:45]
Bugpowder downstream application... Total brain network activity imaging. [06:45]
Bugpowder [06:45]
ozbot Flashing fish brains filmed in action : Nature News & Comment [06:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'optical methods of signal processing.' v. d. svet. 1971 [06:45]
Bugpowder Works best in fish tho [06:45]
Bugpowder transparent [06:45]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: example, p. 69, optical 'correlator' [06:46]
Bugpowder Also [06:46]
Bugpowder [06:46]
ozbot Watching a mouse's brain think about running with GCaMP3 - YouTube [06:46]
asciilifeform pure gold [06:47]
mircea_popescu ah [06:47]
Bugpowder Need sleep. Laterzzz [06:47]
moiety thats incredible [06:47]
moiety cya Bugpowder thanks for le links! [06:48]
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mircea_popescu for a glimpse at my forum digests : [06:48]
Bugpowder I built the gene in the mouse video... the fish video is 2 more series of evolution better... [06:48]
mircea_popescu crypto-trade (neotrix's deal that used to be an altcoin marketplace, and [06:48]
mircea_popescu which i beat the shit out of when they decided to start letting people [06:48]
mircea_popescu list securities, and which has been fucking up massively since, and which [06:48]
mircea_popescu i've been back to say hey next time listen to me before you get into this [06:48]
mircea_popescu sorta mess) is jumping on board the "o no malleability is preventing us [06:48]
mircea_popescu from paying out" wagon [06:48]
mircea_popescu [06:48]
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greenspan_fan anyone seriously concerned about a price collapse if it turns out most exchanges were as incompetent as mt gox? [06:49]
mircea_popescu not really. [06:50]
Chris_Sabian dont think that is possible [06:50]
mircea_popescu people thought silk road is fundamental to bitcoin value. it closed, no ill effects recorded. [06:50]
greenspan_fan there were ill effects, but it was kinda priced in at that point [06:50]
mircea_popescu people imagine exchanges are fundamental to bitcoin price. they'll close, no ill effects to be recorded. [06:50]
Chris_Sabian save the drop in price from 135-88-120 [06:50]
asciilifeform (for anyone unfamiliar with 'djvu', it's an old but irreplaceable format specifically for warez scans. wavelet-compressed images. no turing-complete vector rendering as in pdf.) [06:50]
greenspan_fan people immediately bought on the dip [06:50]
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greenspan_fan the concern is that speculation is pretty fundamental to current price and exchanges facilitate that [06:52]
mircea_popescu speculation of the sort and type that the exchanges enable and reddit/forum/.etc support is about as fundamental to bitcoin as druggies were. [06:52]
Chris_Sabian look the last 2 steep rises, april and nov-dec. the price shot up then peaked and dropped to ~1/2 value [06:53]
Chris_Sabian it stayed that way for several months [06:53]
greenspan_fan it kinda depends if it's past the point where adoption is widespread enough to sustain an economy w/o needing easy conversion between fiat and btc [06:54]
asciilifeform perhaps if the public exchanges perish, people will be cured of the habit of treating 'btc price in X' as a scalar. [06:54]
benkay dat fuzzy probability zone [06:54]
benkay "how much does a bitcoin cost?" [06:54]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan "adoption" means something strictly different from pageviews [06:54]
mircea_popescu bitcoin's adoption among people worth six digits or less is irrelevant. [06:54]
benkay "how good is your WOT?" [06:54]
Chris_Sabian [06:54]
ozbot CoinMap [06:54]
asciilifeform what does cocaine cost. or, for that matter, aluminum. [06:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and perhaps we'll be fucking rid of all the forum investors. [06:55]
mircea_popescu im all for it. [06:55]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu worth how? I have less than 100 000 btc, for example [06:55]
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mircea_popescu greenspan_fan dollah i meant. [06:55]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is like, you know, reactionary, conservative, evil, sane. you're either rich or smart or invisible. [06:57]
asciilifeform the answer here, i suspect, depends on whether you like the taste of bullocks. [06:57]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform more like cats. [06:57]
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mircea_popescu bullocks would be ok, but the "six digits or less" is equal to saying in that other context "60 kgs or over" [06:58]
greenspan_fan but it's also pretty experimental, is the thing [06:58]
mircea_popescu so is atc. [06:58]
greenspan_fan there's a few things like mathematical breakthroughs re: hash functions or serious bugs in the client that could tank the price [06:59]
mircea_popescu definitely. [06:59]
mircea_popescu serious bugs not so much, really. [06:59]
greenspan_fan (or, if you prefer, value) and it's hard to account for those [07:00]
mircea_popescu hash function can be a huge problem. [07:00]
mircea_popescu this incidentally is why bitcoin addresses are encoded so layeredly. [07:00]
mircea_popescu even if you somehow bash one hash function in, you still don't really have enough yet [07:00]
mircea_popescu and stuff will have to be emergency-migrated. [07:00]
greenspan_fan if you're able to break SHA-256 you'd end up w/ a majority of the hashing power if you were smart [07:01]
greenspan_fan then couldn't you block the migration? [07:01]
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chetty [07:01]
mircea_popescu not practically. [07:01]
mircea_popescu if your crack is not known, then maybe for a while you can benefit from it. [07:01]
mircea_popescu if it IS known however the code will just be patched to take it out, and people will move on the new system for cause [07:02]
mircea_popescu and you can do whatever you want on the old chain. [07:02]
greenspan_fan but how do you coordinate moving to the new system? and what if that takes too long? [07:02]
mircea_popescu it takes all of five minutes [07:02]
mircea_popescu "hi guise, here is problem, here is patch, pls install so and so" [07:03]
greenspan_fan I think you're underestimating how hard it would be to patch [07:03]
mircea_popescu or maybe you overestimate. [07:03]
mircea_popescu what's the thinking ? [07:03]
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mircea_popescu (your q was as to coordinate moving, not as to patching, mind) [07:04]
greenspan_fan well look at transaction malleability; doesn't seem like a huge problem, but it hasn't been fixed yet [07:04]
mircea_popescu well ? [07:04]
Apocalyptic it's not an issue [07:04]
mircea_popescu when you say sha was breached you're not describing some nitnoy thing nobody cares about. [07:04]
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greenspan_fan well yeah, but there comes a point when subverting btc is the most profitable use of a breakthrough, hence the first thing it'd be used for [07:05]
mircea_popescu so ? [07:05]
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greenspan_fan in the interim between breach, patch being devised and patch being promulgated, you'd have zero activity [07:06]
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mircea_popescu so you would. [07:06]
greenspan_fan and that doesn't constitute a huge problem? [07:07]
Duffer1 that assumes a patch hasn't already been made [07:07]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan not really. bitcoin is not visa. [07:07]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu as you say, not a problem for reasonably wealthy individuals, but it means that if you don't already have a lot of fiat currency, you can't rely on bitcoin [07:08]
Duffer1 software changes, it'd be annoying sure and the media shitfest will be epic, but neither of those things matter [07:08]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan not sure if you ever read ? [07:08]
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greenspan_fan one sec, finding a new proxy... [07:08]
mircea_popescu and no, you should not rely on bitcoin. this has been explicitly stated since day one. bitcoin is not here for you to rely on. [07:08]
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benkay greenspan_fan: you don't need credits for comments. [07:10]
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KRS-One .bait [07:11]
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greenspan_fan OK, so the contention is that things that are faster to process (such as cash or credit) are expected to allow for retail level/immediate transaction, while btc is more of a long term store of value, right? [07:15]
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mircea_popescu well, more of a long term slower moving thing yeah [07:16]
mircea_popescu let's do some napkin calculations here. [07:16]
greenspan_fan brb, all I have is paper [07:17]
mircea_popescu built-in ccp delay on a payment, ~1 second. built in btc delay on a payment, ~10 minutes. [07:17]
mircea_popescu tolerable ccp service outage, ~one day, from experience so far. [07:17]
mircea_popescu thus therefore, tolerable btc outage should be something like 2 years. [07:17]
greenspan_fan absent some other similar currency overtaking it due to the delay [07:18]
mircea_popescu obviously presuming liniarty and so on and so forth, but just for the sake of it. [07:18]
greenspan_fan which is the case for the short term [07:18]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan well presumably whatever suspends btc suspends all btc-likes [07:18]
mircea_popescu otherwise btc is just borkt and needs fixing [07:18]
asciilifeform time to digest a meal: ~6 hours. does that mean that one should be able to go without meal for ~72 yrs? [07:19]
benkay not that this actually prevents anyone from exchanging btc, provided they're sufficiently trusty [07:19]
benkay "here - take this pre-signed transaction" [07:19]
mircea_popescu benkay actually, no trust needed. [07:19]
benkay now, you're dependent on the technical ability of your counterparty to track and not double-spend. [07:19]
mircea_popescu "here, take this pre-signed tx, put it in your block" [07:19]
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mircea_popescu i mean, we can do blockchain propagation and mining via email ffs. [07:20]
mircea_popescu this was actually tested back in the old days of mpoe, works just fine. [07:20]
benkay well what does it mean for bitcoin to be stopped!? [07:20]
mircea_popescu ikr? [07:20]
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asciilifeform is there a scenario with 'paper & pencil btc' that does not reduce to simply 'Hawala' ? [07:21]
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benkay i'm going back to figuring out how to represent a 32-bit int in ragel on java. [07:21]
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mircea_popescu fucking java. [07:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if one takes a conceptual hawala rather than any particular historical implementation, no. [07:21]
benkay you can say that again. [07:21]
benkay "stench of the cube farm" [07:21]
mircea_popescu course this is more of a case of hawala reduces to bitcoin [07:21]
greenspan_fan Well, given the above, I expect that btc is just a placeholder for something that will have numerous quantitative technical improvements. [07:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> time to digest a meal: ~6 hours. does that mean that one should be able to go without meal for ~72 yrs << yes, if they were a payment processor. [07:22]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan so did satoshi. [07:23]
mircea_popescu reality does not care what we expect, turns out. [07:23]
benkay i expect a new whore at the door [07:23]
greenspan_fan how does one calculate EV in whores? [07:23]
asciilifeform to go back to the 'peasant never saw a gold coin' scenario. a peasant, correct. how about a shipyard? [07:23]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan not clear, but er is the clap. [07:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform go on ? [07:24]
asciilifeform idea being, gold was never purely a long-term store [07:24]
greenspan_fan at some point, you need to be able to exchange for things to have value [07:25]
benkay but the "you" here can vary, and does not include pizzas [07:25]
asciilifeform one can picture a degenerate case - e.g. hydrogen bomb [07:25]
benkay more like "o now i have credit for a billion pizzas at this local bitcoin brokerage" [07:26]
greenspan_fan wouldn't the degenerate case be a strangelet? [07:26]
asciilifeform in the sense of the ultimate 'trading sardine' [07:27]
asciilifeform (strongly negative 'use value') [07:27]
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asciilifeform trying to think of items which act as store of value in some useful sense without really being spendable [07:28]
asciilifeform and whether the phrase 'store of value' even makes sense here. [07:29]
greenspan_fan perhaps things that would fall under the category of intellectual property? [07:29]
benkay it's arguably only contextual in a world in which nobody can really ant their hard work away. [07:30]
greenspan_fan I can't spend "knowing how to make an engine", but knowing that I can do that (and having the plans/information to do so) stores value [07:30]
benkay or rather it's astronomically difficult to do so. [07:30]
asciilifeform we can talk about 'storing energy' and come to rational conclusions about physically-real things (e.g. organisms.) and then we can talk about storing 'value', and end up with pseudo-scientific strange... [07:31]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan this seems to me a completely unwarranted generalisation that actrually breaks logic. [07:31]
mircea_popescu no, it does not "store value" any more than "empathy" as used by the libertard is either human or virtuous. [07:32]
asciilifeform 'value' is phlogiston. [07:32]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu you're right, it does seem to beg the question... [07:32]
greenspan_fan trying to define why something is valuable is hard enough without also restricting the ability to spend it [07:33]
mircea_popescu not that there's anything wrong with trying anything and everything on the beast. [07:33]
mircea_popescu roughly we're in the situation of "dragon moved in hillside next to village" [07:33]
mircea_popescu threowing a virgin that way once or twice is sensible. [07:33]
asciilifeform to complete the picture, 'dragon' turns out to be a peculiarly-shaped active volcano. [07:34]
mircea_popescu no it's a dragon [07:35]
mircea_popescu you're just looking at its zit. [07:35]
asciilifeform precisely that. [07:35]
mircea_popescu idea being, gold was never purely a long-term store <<< this will need fleshing out. [07:36]
mircea_popescu seems to me it was purely a long term store. [07:36]
mircea_popescu people short-term stored in silver. [07:36]
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chetty storing value is actually a bet isn't it? That there will be a future to use it in. [07:38]
mircea_popescu that's no sort of bet. [07:38]
mircea_popescu if there's no future you've not lost anything. [07:38]
greenspan_fan opportunity cost, assuming you could store elsewhere, which you can [07:39]
chetty yeah you have, the use today of whatever you stored [07:39]
greenspan_fan btc will continue to be valuable because it has previously been valuable and there's the expectation that, over some acceptable time period, you can exchange it [07:40]
greenspan_fan the uncertainty comes from the second part, because it's a new protocol and it's difficult to predict what might impact your ability to exchange it [07:41]
greenspan_fan the things I'm thinking of are either flaws in the protocol, flaws in the software, concerted regulation or an attack via a sufficiently powerful adversary [07:42]
asciilifeform the common factor between btc and gold, etc. is (no surprise to anyone, i hope) - behaviour as a closed (i.e. conserved) system, and easily verified as such [07:43]
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greenspan_fan how much would it cost to get enough hashing power to wreck the network? how long would you have to disrupt the network before it becomes far less valuable? [07:44]
asciilifeform recommended reading: the different ways in which self-proclaimed alchemists were treated in various times and places. [07:44]
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mircea_popescu greenspan_fan it's not strictly a matter of cost. [07:44]
mircea_popescu people are currently desperate to buy stuff to wreck the network with [07:45]
mircea_popescu noone's selling. [07:45]
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mircea_popescu the computational cost of the network has been calculated, on trilema, it was scary back then. it's way worse now. [07:45]
asciilifeform this is predicated on the assumption of brute force, though. [07:45]
mircea_popescu [07:46]
ozbot Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce [07:46]
mircea_popescu article in question. [07:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well sure. [07:46]
greenspan_fan as an example, if you were paypal, could you afford to design, build, and power enough asics to wreck the network? [07:46]
mircea_popescu look throguh the math there, do your own calculations. [07:47]
BingoBoingo Depends on who finds the shortcut. If someone manages to math in a way that a GPU hashes like an army of buttfuries, they may just quietly collect coins. coins. [07:47]
mircea_popescu then someone emulates quantum computers in a zx80 emulator emularted within a gpu card and bam [07:48]
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mircea_popescu ahahaha von-schlep [07:49]
asciilifeform any one of you folks who wants to actually give this a go, scroll up the log to find the n-sat solver... haha [07:50]
asciilifeform '...the first woodpecker would destroy civilization' - but he can't be arsed. [07:50]
greenspan_fan it's a question of economics-- is subverting a cryptocurrency worth more to you than profiting from it? [07:51]
asciilifeform 'some just wanna watch it burn' [07:51]
greenspan_fan "if you want a picture of the future, it's us collecting a 3% transaction fee... forever" [07:52]
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mircea_popescu << new eulora release. [07:55]
mircea_popescu includes source. davout pankkake [07:55]
mircea_popescu and i forget who else was asking me about it. [07:55]
mircea_popescu it also includes basic crafting and skill training and harvesting and recipes and stuff. [07:56]
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mod6 cool! [07:56]
greenspan_fan what is it? [07:56]
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chetty greenspan_fan, eulora, mmorpg [07:58]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: can you quickly say, what is the largest number of legal moves possible for one chess player, in any position? [07:59]
BingoBoingo I cannot. [08:00]
asciilifeform (i can easily estimate an upper bound, using 'ah he has 16 queens') [08:00]
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asciilifeform idly wondering about a 'provably fair' blockchain chess-for-coin [08:00]
asciilifeform as i fall asleep [08:01]
BingoBoingo Sure, but tightening that upper bound gets messy. Even 16 queens block each other, restricting movement. [08:01]
asciilifeform sure [08:01]
asciilifeform my 1st thought was 'referee has canonical enumerator for legal moves. player moves by encoding integer M' [08:02]
asciilifeform 'first player who cannot M > 0 lost' [08:03]
asciilifeform but then, repeated-move stalemates [08:03]
asciilifeform and the like [08:03]
BingoBoingo That could work. [08:04]
asciilifeform (for completeness of picture, first player who moves with M' > M (illegal) also lost. clearly.) [08:04]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan [08:04]
asciilifeform if the bip-whatever voodoo mentioned earlier actually gets baked into the blockchain, one could conceivably play this game [08:04]
asciilifeform without a referee [08:05]
BingoBoingo Then there's the part where M=0 stalemates exist. [08:05]
asciilifeform (the pot would automagically move to the winner) [08:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no because each game could only be played once ? [08:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: moves would be carried out by sending to an addr generated for the purpose [08:06]
mircea_popescu uh [08:06]
asciilifeform low bits of sum <-> move [08:06]
asciilifeform winner keeps the total [08:07]
asciilifeform of course, this is foolish, because we've the angels but not the pin-head. [08:07]
asciilifeform unless i'm missing something. [08:07]
BingoBoingo Well, it would require all four low digits. [08:10]
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asciilifeform sure, for a low stake game, the moves are the pot. [08:10]
asciilifeform you could play this right now, sans voodoo, and it would look quite like the 'provably fair' dice widgets [08:11]
asciilifeform (someone is driving the payouts, but you can trivially verify, having only the blockchain, that he never did anything other than the Right Thing) [08:12]
asciilifeform hell, no fancy encodings needed, just stuff normal algebraic notation in [08:12]
BingoBoingo Right. [08:12]
moiety yay a new way i could lose? [08:12]
asciilifeform (12 bits) [08:13]
asciilifeform this is so trivial, that if it does not already exist, it is purely from lack of interest in the game [08:14]
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asciilifeform is worth considering even if you don't like to play for coin. encourages slow games... [08:16]
BingoBoingo Sure. [08:16]
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mircea_popescu [08:29]
ozbot Twitter / krtek_net: Mtgox is sorting orders, waiiting ... [08:29]
mircea_popescu lmao check out this shit. [08:29]
mircea_popescu who was asking about "interveaving" ? [08:30]
benkay intervaging [08:31]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bloctoc there is oyur answer : it stopped dropping because they've stopped executing orders under X value. [08:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:32]
mircea_popescu if you put an order to sell they'll just delay it until someone bids enough. [08:32]
benkay thereby guaranteeing a rapid dissolution of fractional reserve? [08:33]
benkay "oops! guess we ran out." [08:34]
BingoBoingo I'm impressed it took them this long. [08:35]
mircea_popescu benkay all it seems it'd do would be cut down volume [08:35]
mircea_popescu i suppose maybe maintain the appearance of things working in the eyes of complete noobs for an extra... hours ? coupla days ? [08:36]
benkay is there a bitbet on capitulation? [08:36]
mircea_popescu not afaik [08:36]
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mircea_popescu << [08:40]
ozbot S.MG - Eulora v0.0.4 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [08:40]
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moiety people are so ridiculous. they say she makes a lucky escape.... [09:04]
moiety she's fucking feeding them! [09:04]
BingoBoingo If it can happen to Jimmy Carter. [09:05]
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moiety lol! i didn't know about this "incident" [09:09]
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moiety was not disappointed! lol wiki has a pic of the rabbit "swimming away from the President" ffs lol [09:10]
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BingoBoingo Bunnies make the perfect sleeper agents [09:16]
moiety i thought it was hilarious when they accused the downing street cat of being a spy [09:19]
moiety it had been missing and turned up one day randomly where it shouldn't have been, so they got all suspicious of it lol [09:20]
*jurov* PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :i see. so you want 5488 eur delivered? [09:20]
BingoBoingo Well the sufficiently paranoid could assume a bug was sewn into the cat. [09:23]
moiety yep exactly what they thought [09:24]
moiety [09:24]
ozbot Is George Osborne's Cat Freya A Chinese Spy? [09:24]
moiety she had been gone 3 years [09:24]
moiety poor cat [09:25]
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mircea_popescu all this derpage re @wesuck or whatever that thing's called reads to me a lot like "o hey we here at dead-fiat-ventures wish to make a last stand against this evil bitcoin empire" [09:28]
mircea_popescu "we still work! look! please! care!" [09:29]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The gawker rag Valleyway (the one with hedgec0k) has been running some lulzy bitcoin stuff you should probably have one of the girls archive. [09:31]
mircea_popescu nah, that's one of those venues which gets blacklisted in integrum. [09:32]
mircea_popescu makes little difference what anyone working for gawker actually said, having worked for it is enough. [09:32]
mircea_popescu maybe fleshbot being an exception or w/e. [09:33]
BingoBoingo I could see Deadspin surviving with Fleshbot. [09:34]
mircea_popescu fun fact : back in 2008 (ie, as the crisis hit) denton suspended their bonus package. [09:34]
mircea_popescu 133 people were sharing about 50k a month in bonuses [09:34]
mircea_popescu rationale being "nobody gives a shit about pageviews" [09:35]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 50000 / 133 / 650 [09:35]
gribble 0.578368999422 [09:35]
mircea_popescu half a bitcoin a month on average. how's that for a bonus. [09:35]
BingoBoingo A half a Bitcoin is pretty sweet. The equivalent in shitbucks not so much. [09:36]
mircea_popescu but hey, you know. cocksuckers making enough to pay for either their own coffee or their own sugar opine on matters. [09:37]
greenspan_fan I wonder if the opining actually shapes matters, like, at all? [09:38]
greenspan_fan because the self-perception of influence is part of the compensation [09:38]
BingoBoingo Eh, at least Gawker has some elements like Fleshbot that could survive. Huffington post and Buzzfeed though, lack even that. [09:38]
greenspan_fan I think you underestimate how easy a content aggregator is to run [09:39]
greenspan_fan if all your "employees" work for free, then everything else is profit [09:39]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan the self-perception of importance is pretty much the whole of the compensation. [09:39]
mircea_popescu the influence however, is exactly zero. [09:40]
greenspan_fan I worked at one point for a place that was getting into social media, but once you're out of that sort of giddy milieu it just doesn't seem like it's much of a priority [09:41]
mircea_popescu i mean sure, steal and distribute warez, get qt pissed off. [09:41]
mircea_popescu but in that sense piratebay eats their cookie. [09:41]
BingoBoingo I think we should replace this "content aggregating" with pankakke's brilliant term "assass" [09:41]
greenspan_fan ass as a service? [09:41]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [09:41]
BingoBoingo Of course. [09:41]
greenspan_fan amazing idea: netflix for prostitution [09:42]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [09:42]
BingoBoingo The original assass contains interesting things. The lesser assasses AOL it up. [09:42]
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greenspan_fan I already have a tagline: the world's newest profession [09:43]
greenspan_fan is y combinator taking applications? [09:44]
mircea_popescu sure. [09:44]
greenspan_fan I think it would be worthwhile to apply w/ that idea, like a startup version of the sokal affair [09:45]
BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: To my knowledge they process applications in batches. Kind of like the Army except without the filtering to keep bona fide retards out of camp. [09:45]
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mircea_popescu all you have to do is convincingly suck up. [09:50]
mircea_popescu go identify who the guys involved are, send girls to fuck each of them, [09:50]
mircea_popescu then get the girls together for the public pitch [09:50]
mircea_popescu you're in. [09:50]
mircea_popescu play the "womenz in tech" angle for maximum butthurt later on. [09:51]
chetty womenz in tech is an angle?? [09:52]
greenspan_fan hopefully an acute one, HA HA HA HA HA [09:52]
BingoBoingo In the People [09:52]
mircea_popescu for these schmucks it's nothing but an angle. [09:52]
BingoBoingo 's Republic of California it is [09:52]
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greenspan_fan is it really? or is that just something that everyone pretends to value because the alternative is constant broadsides from the SJ crowd? [09:54]
chetty does any real person care what the SJ crowd does/says? [09:55]
greenspan_fan maybe? I honestly can't tell [09:55]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan well, it's like in any socialist state : some people go along because they hope to get something from it, [09:55]
mircea_popescu most just nod it off. [09:55]
mircea_popescu there are entire career paths financed on the public dole which consist of nothing but pretending like the crap matters, [09:56]
mircea_popescu and so... you know, economic recovery. we've hired more people to do nothing, go us. [09:56]
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BingoBoingo Well, a lot of roads I have little occasion look much more impressive than they used to. Doesn't offer much utility though. [10:03]
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greenspan_fan any recommendations for bulk image viewers for OS X? [10:22]
greenspan_fan I have an absurd number of graphs in assorted subdirectories... [10:22]
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cazalla that gox bet is looking good now [10:55]
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BingoBoingo cazalla: Which one? link plox [11:04]
cazalla [11:05]
BingoBoingo cazalla: It actually looked better days ago when I pointed it out to KRS-One [11:06]
cazalla would've been a nice no 11 months ago [11:07]
cazalla guessing it'll still resolve as yes [11:08]
BingoBoingo Well, if Gox keeps their order matching shennanigans up [11:08]
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mircea_popescu [11:17]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @Falkvinge @kLee1977 I'll bet ... [11:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i can't find people to take these easy bets with [11:17]
BingoBoingo Things like gox fucking with order matching though need to be considered in these bets. Anticipating SatoshiDice would probably not be listed on MPEx for the full length of 2013 make pushed me to put a whole BTC on S.BBet being worth more back in February. [11:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, you have been seasoned as a strategic consultant. [11:18]
BingoBoingo Thinking decades instead of hours. [11:18]
BingoBoingo Whatsapp is too Myspace to have value. WhatsApp embraces customers too poor for actual tools. [11:20]
BingoBoingo Kinda like Microsoft. [11:20]
BingoBoingo DE however, when fiat fails has a lot of copper and fiber. [11:22]
B007 Microsoft? I don't think you know what you're talking about [11:22]
BingoBoingo B007: How little do consumers have to pay for WIndows? [11:23]
B007 So? Microsoft sells to corporations [11:23]
BingoBoingo Generally Windows is bundled with a consumer machine and consumers accept that to not learn better things. [11:23]
B007 true [11:24]
BingoBoingo The entire microsoft ecosystem from Basic in the 70's to nao is that doing better things is more expensive in terms of time to learn the right ways. [11:24]
B007 but I don't think you can compare Microsoft to WhatsApp [11:25]
BingoBoingo Now that WIndows is so entrenched with lusers over decades, they have been able to force a sorporate ecosystem, because learning is bad Mkay. [11:25]
BingoBoingo B007: What is the problematic point? [11:25]
BingoBoingo This fake messaging network business whatsapp is in isn't too different from the fake software development tools business Microsoft started with [11:26]
B007 Microsoft is vastly different from a messageing app [11:27]
BingoBoingo It wasn't at its inception. This is the old "Fake it until you make it" 30k millionaire shit. [11:27]
B007 yeah [11:28]
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BingoBoingo The thing is there just aren't opportunites to do this anymore really. [11:29]
B007 sure there are [11:29]
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B007 you are in the wrong business son [11:30]
BingoBoingo Maybe, but I'm not in the wrong business that Facebook and Whatsapp are [11:31]
B007 advertising? [11:32]
BingoBoingo B007: Deception. THey are in the deception business. [11:32]
B007 hshs [11:32]
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BingoBoingo [11:37]
ozbot Math Models Predicted Global Uprisings - Slashdot [11:37]
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mircea_popescu what was the lowest consumer license for windoze, like 50 bux ? [11:49]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: For OEMs I hink I've read it goes down to at least $25 [11:50]
mircea_popescu nominally [11:50]
mircea_popescu prolly goes down to 25 by going up to 90 [11:51]
BingoBoingo Well, MS's money comes largely from WIndows volume and selling Office and Visual studio. [11:51]
BingoBoingo MS's priority for WIndows has to be keeping the number of Windows installs up to keep selling Office and Visual Studios. [11:53]
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chetty I really fail to understand why anyone would still be using windows [11:54]
BingoBoingo chetty: Inertia and aversion to learning I imagine. [11:55]
mircea_popescu "it just works" [11:55]
mircea_popescu no wait, that's the other one. [11:55]
BingoBoingo The other one hasn't just worked since version 7.5.1 [11:56]
BingoBoingo Windows seems more to just be a fear of any other name. Call it pudding and they will ignore it is shit. [11:57]
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mircea_popescu goatse.os [11:58]
mircea_popescu i have a new formula for computing the market value of bitcoin [11:59]
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mircea_popescu number of articles published discussing bitcoin / number of sensible things said. [11:59]
mircea_popescu it works for all currencies pretty much. [12:00]
mircea_popescu when bitcoin gets close to about pi it's time to sell. [12:00]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: So atm RSS beats herbi? [12:06]
mircea_popescu how's that ? [12:06]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It give you articles published on bitcoin. Reading gives you the sensible things. Then math. [12:07]
mircea_popescu i read very little and understand even less. [12:08]
BingoBoingo Isn't that what the girls are for? [12:09]
mircea_popescu i was talking to a friend earlier and i said "tis hard being a woman". she retorted "yeah, not only our brains don't work but tits and asses both droop with time too!" [12:11]
mircea_popescu it's hard all around my brothar. hard times. [12:11]
MisterE MS got teh Enterprise [12:13]
MisterE and thats what matters [12:13]
mircea_popescu actually it [12:13]
BingoBoingo MisterE: for some definitions of enterprise. [12:13]
mircea_popescu s been making huge gains on webhosting. [12:13]
MisterE when you're stacking Benjis [12:13]
MisterE ^ [12:14]
MisterE hate to say it but Azure was good before the upgrade now I hear no complaints [12:14]
MisterE coz I root for the to fail heh [12:14]
BingoBoingo Is Microsoft actually making gains or are the finally moving Hotmail off of FreeBSD [12:14]
mircea_popescu seems a combination of really shitty hosting and people running servers on their home broadband [12:15]
BingoBoingo Well all of those spam sites need to point .info and .pw domains somewhere. [12:16]
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Namworld [12:21]
Namworld Exclusive news [12:21]
Namworld Before it's posted officially. [12:21]
Namworld They should change their pdf naming standard. [12:21]
mircea_popescu jajaja [12:22]
mircea_popescu well done [12:22]
mircea_popescu Namworld ty, i dumped it on twitter :D [12:23]
Namworld It's posted now it seems on gox. [12:24]
Namworld Well that was quick. [12:24]
mircea_popescu lol [12:26]
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wao-ender :D [12:28]
Namworld This announcement is as stupid as the previous one. Who would have thought. [12:30]
BingoBoingo GoxBTC is headed to the CORE!!! [12:30]
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Namworld Protesters were a security threat? [12:30]
BingoBoingo Namworld: They didn't want to let Mark hug out the scam accusations [12:31]
mircea_popescu such a roflmao thing [12:32]
mircea_popescu mtgox turns out to be about as good as bfl. [12:32]
BingoBoingo Well... Most people took 18 months to abandon BFL. Gox went, what... a whole 24 months before getting called out? [12:33]
Namworld Or worse [12:33]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin Foundation businesses! FTW! [12:34]
Namworld They aren't done yet proving themselves. [12:34]
Namworld They could become the best worst. [12:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.488 BTC [+] [12:36]
mircea_popescu this is true. [12:36]
BingoBoingo I'm still leaving the offer out there if Goldman or JPM wants to try outrunning YCombinator that I tucked in my footnotes [12:38]
mircea_popescu the problem you run into is this : they do not wish to actually matter in the world that is, they wish to instead live in a world they'd prefer. [12:39]
mircea_popescu that you can't do for them, nobody can, and so until they learn to submit you;re not going to have business there. [12:39]
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mircea_popescu there is a lot of competition in being the best worst. [12:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10208 = 0.5104 BTC [+] {3} [12:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00086434 = 11.0636 BTC [-] [12:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I watched La Terra Trema. JP Morgan will have to find a wholesaler sometime. [12:43]
mircea_popescu hehe what did you thinkl ? [12:43]
BingoBoingo It ended how the Merchant of Venice should have. [12:44]
mircea_popescu hehe [12:44]
BingoBoingo Had to watch it twice since I understand spoken Spanish survivably but Italian not so much. [12:45]
ThickAsThieves i might win! [12:48]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Which side you take, this could be thrilling [12:48]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker --market mtgox [12:48]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 150.0, Best ask: 153.216, Bid-ask spread: 3.21600, Last trade: 150.0, 24 hour volume: 67216.83064744, 24 hour low: 134.09756, 24 hour high: 276.24152, 24 hour vwap: 201.18216 [12:48]
ThickAsThieves i'm on No [12:48]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: You realize the bet it for that particular day and not before. [12:49]
ThickAsThieves i know [12:49]
ThickAsThieves but they are dead [12:49]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: They were on a ventilator 9 months. Most sane courts would have unplugged the vegetable. [12:50]
ThickAsThieves "In addition to the technical issue, this week we have experienced some [12:51]
ThickAsThieves security problems, and as a result we had to relocate MtGox to our previous office building [12:51]
ThickAsThieves in Shibuya (details can be found here The move, [12:51]
ThickAsThieves combined with some other security and technical challenges, pushed back our progress." [12:51]
ThickAsThieves lol! [12:51]
ThickAsThieves "As much as we didn’t want to only provide an “update on an update”, this is the current [12:51]
ThickAsThieves status. We are committed to solving this issue and will provide more information as soon [12:51]
ThickAsThieves as possible to keep everyone in the loop." [12:51]
ThickAsThieves " [12:51]
ThickAsThieves We are very sorry for the delays and deeply appreciate your kind understanding and [12:51]
ThickAsThieves continuous support." [12:51]
ThickAsThieves yay! [12:51]
ThickAsThieves sorry i'm delirious from randomly waking up too early cuz i had feeling itd be crashing [12:51]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: I'm only one timezone over and haven't slept yet. [12:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00465587 = 0.3725 BTC [-] {6} [12:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48809999 = 1.9524 BTC [+] {2} [12:53]
ThickAsThieves time for bitbets on mark's freedom [12:54]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it must have subtitles neh ? [12:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Subtitles would have blocked too much misery from my eyes. [12:55]
mircea_popescu this is true [12:55]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [12:55]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 597.0, Best ask: 599.58, Bid-ask spread: 2.58000, Last trade: 600.0, 24 hour volume: 22132.64616219, 24 hour low: 590.0, 24 hour high: 636.0, 24 hour vwap: 615.145591973 [12:55]
mircea_popescu you know visconti had amateurs shoot the whole thing ? [12:55]
mircea_popescu those people actually lived in those houses, [12:56]
mircea_popescu if not exactly under the medieval conditions described. [12:56]
ThickAsThieves omg how do i get cash into gox someone should arb that /s [12:56]
BingoBoingo Yeah. Between viewings one and two I did the paper reading. [12:56]
mircea_popescu but when the girl is barefoot on the dirt floor, that's her own dirt floor she's barefood on. [12:56]
BingoBoingo barefood sounds much sexier than that scene. [12:56]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile check out gabridome [12:57]
BingoBoingo Fuck, I dunno who that is. [12:58]
davout jurov: didn't he allow that earlier already? [12:58]
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BingoBoingo davout: You still interested in that chess tournament? [13:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo [13:00]
mircea_popescu that's back in 2013. [13:00]
mircea_popescu epic ;;ticker results. [13:01]
BingoBoingo That is nearly when I made my first appearance. [13:01]
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cazalla ThickAsThieves: you may! [13:01]
davout BingoBoingo: are you guys done with the first one ? [13:02]
ThickAsThieves hehe #mtgox is muted [13:02]
BingoBoingo davout: We were coming to an inevitable tiebreaker problem so we added Apocalyptic an six player could help reduce ties still further. [13:03]
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BingoBoingo Caveat is the kicker I supposed for this months long tournament is expiring on the 28th, because obligations can not be kept open forever. [13:03]
davout BingoBoingo: ok, with pleasure! I can't play right now tho [13:03]
BingoBoingo davout: Neither can I. [13:04]
mircea_popescu [13:04]
mircea_popescu on the left vs the right, the effects of the deterioration of public schooling. [13:04]
mircea_popescu fucktards don't even know what words mean these days. [13:04]
mircea_popescu accepting credit cards is a skill. exponential, logarithmic, this year alone or whatever else. it's all a soup. [13:05]
mircea_popescu fucking embarrassment these kids. [13:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: We covered dictionaries in primary school that I remember. [13:05]
mircea_popescu i'm sure they covered "issues" in primary school. [13:06]
BingoBoingo Sure. We covered tornadoes, fire, and earthquakes in that order [13:06]
mircea_popescu "WhatsApp founder Jan Koum signs deal with FB at social services office where he used to get food stamps. " [13:07]
mircea_popescu can this be more doge ? [13:07]
BingoBoingo No, this is total Doge. [13:07]
mircea_popescu "Facebook is now buying out anything that 14 year olds might use for billions of dollars. Good thing they're using stock and not real money." [13:07]
mircea_popescu at least i got some sane people in my feed. [13:07]
BingoBoingo A great troll campaign would be Corgis against Doge. [13:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Thing is only 3 billion in that acquisition was stock [13:08]
mircea_popescu i didn't actually dig into it. [13:08]
ThickAsThieves who is john galt? [13:08]
mircea_popescu fictional character. [13:09]
mircea_popescu hm, pussy riot is actually a punk band ?! [13:09]
mircea_popescu in what fucking sense ? i thought they were pop. [13:09]
BingoBoingo Always just been a punk band. [13:09]
BingoBoingo Russia is still catching up to the 70's [13:10]
ThickAsThieves and a harem of active-ists [13:10]
BingoBoingo Next thing you will tell me Russian discos are closing in favor of night clubs [13:10]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is it punk [13:10]
BingoBoingo And then they've reached the 80's [13:10]
davout BingoBoingo: wasn't it the opposite, only 3bn in cash? [13:11]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, [13:11]
mircea_popescu [13:11]
ozbot Viking apocalypse: End of the world predicted to happen on Saturday (but don't cancel your weekend [13:11]
ThickAsThieves it's punk cuz they can only make music with their thumbs [13:11]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Horses and beedles. [13:11]
BingoBoingo *needles [13:11]
mircea_popescu Virgin Mary, Mother of God, put Putin away Рut Putin away, put Putin away [13:12]
mircea_popescu Black robe, golden epaulettes All parishioners crawl to bow The phantom of liberty is in heaven Gay-pride sent to Siberia in chains [13:12]
mircea_popescu [13:12]
mircea_popescu The head of the KGB, their chief saint, Leads protesters to prison under escort In order not to offend His Holiness Women must give birth and love [13:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo does this sound like punk to you ? [13:12]
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BingoBoingo davout: I might have to read again, because vodka. Shame you can't play chess nao. [13:12]
ThickAsThieves [13:12]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [13:12]
mircea_popescu Virgin Mary, Mother of God, become a feminist [13:12]
mircea_popescu Become a feminist, become a feminist [13:12]
mircea_popescu this is not punk lol. this is lib-pop. [13:12]
davout BingoBoingo: i'm pondering whether i should play myself or let my little brother play against you [13:12]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sounds more metal. [13:13]
mircea_popescu metal. women. what ? [13:13]
BingoBoingo davout: Honestly it is prolly more about timing [13:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nothing is more metal than a miscarriage stage show. [13:13]
davout BingoBoingo: no, my lil bro would probably beat me to a pulp [13:13]
mircea_popescu get out, pussy is not metal. [13:13]
davout BingoBoingo: what timezone are you in? [13:14]
davout US West? [13:14]
BingoBoingo davout: If we go on those criteria I could prolly hire a jew, but I am GMT -6 [13:14]
davout east i meant [13:14]
BingoBoingo Equivalent of US central [13:14]
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BingoBoingo davout: I have to warn you though that I have lost to Namworld (though truffles beat Namworld) [13:15]
davout what do you use to keep track of the board's state ? [13:16]
BingoBoingo davout: Algrbraic notation. [13:16]
BingoBoingo Post moves in channel [13:16]
davout to keep track of, not to communicate [13:16]
davout as in, i don't have an actual board at hand to do this [13:17]
BingoBoingo Oh, I set up a board on the floor next to my desk [13:17]
davout haha [13:17]
davout ok [13:17]
BingoBoingo Other people use web tools [13:17]
davout we're getting there [13:17]
davout jurov: no [13:17]
davout where is it? [13:18]
mircea_popescu The $19 billion deal -- $12 billion in stock, $4 billion in cash and $3 billion in restricted shares [13:18]
mircea_popescu so there we go. [13:18]
davout jurov: because i haven't put in the time yet to re-enable their API [13:19]
davout i tried to push the job on pankkake [13:19]
davout lolwut [13:20]
mircea_popescu davout fb buying snapchat. [13:21]
mircea_popescu oops i mean webchat [13:21]
mircea_popescu uh. [13:21]
mircea_popescu something. [13:21]
davout jurov: lemme have a look [13:21]
BingoBoingo Eh, ATC should have stayed Openex only is so dead [13:22]
BingoBoingo Nearly all orders are mine. [13:22]
ThickAsThieves it never left [13:22]
ThickAsThieves trade both [13:22]
ThickAsThieves if you dare [13:22]
davout jurov: yo. i still want to know what's up [13:22]
mircea_popescu needs better advertising [13:23]
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davout prolly outta BTC [13:23]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Maybe I am doing both. x-bt killed Openex volume and orders [13:23]
ThickAsThieves Hope we got something new on monday atleast. [13:23]
ThickAsThieves poor goxer [13:23]
davout jurov: oic, my bot's algo is not very evolved yet, and won't place orders if it results in executions [13:24]
davout jurov: i'll widen my spread [13:24]
davout i don't have time to work on it right now, but that's something i'll have to fix [13:25]
mircea_popescu davout that seems exactly countrary to marketmaking. [13:25]
ThickAsThieves marketcockteasing [13:26]
davout mircea_popescu: isn't that more arbitrage? [13:26]
mircea_popescu well no, marketmaker means exactly you blow out the book on a regular basis if it doesn't conform. [13:26]
davout the basic reason to this iirc is that executions that are immediate don't appear in stats [13:26]
mircea_popescu not placing orders thatd result in executions is exactly anti-mm behaviour [13:27]
mircea_popescu basically the book is ruling you. [13:27]
mircea_popescu you're supposed to rule the book [13:27]
davout not arguing that, i need some more work to work around the mpex api weirdnesses [13:28]
davout also, given the current market conditions i'm pretty ok with widening the spread anyway [13:29]
davout or i guess, instead of tracking order by order i can track aggregates [13:30]
davout ok imma lunch :-D [13:30]
mircea_popescu what weirdness is that!11 [13:32]
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ThickAsThieves "Congress could remove federal funding from academic institutions that decide to boycott Israel." [13:35]
ThickAsThieves alrighty [13:35]
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mircea_popescu "Facebook's purchase price values each Whatsapp user at $40. Whatsapp users pay zero dollars and are not shown ads." [13:42]
mircea_popescu ook. [13:42]
punkman1 they pay $0.99 per year, after the first year [13:43]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many actually are a year old. [13:43]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Most whatsapp users I know are South Asian, so few I imagine [13:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06700633 = 1.1391 BTC [-] {5} [13:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46000002 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2} [13:47]
mircea_popescu from what i see here most of their userbase is eu. they got little azn if anything. [13:48]
BingoBoingo I thought a quarter of their userbase was split between India, Indonesia, and the Phillipines. [13:49]
BingoBoingo Also, lulz [13:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54947 @ 0.00086128 = 47.3248 BTC [-] [13:59]
BingoBoingo So... Ukraine and Thailand are getting still worse. Will any camwhores live through next week? [14:04]
BingoBoingo Also I am very disappointed in Micon for letting himself drop far enough to address this. [14:05]
ThickAsThieves "Chevron offers free pizza to make up for deadly fracking explosion" [14:07]
random_cat pizza include 10^8 year old anchovies [14:08]
ThickAsThieves in "oil" [14:09]
BingoBoingo Oh I finally found an episode of Bar Rescue with a Lie, because I am 'Murica's premier expert on Karaoke [14:09]
ThickAsThieves latest version [14:13]
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BingoBoingo I'm just kinda shocked by how little Micon moves me nao. [14:14]
BingoBoingo Last year I was accepting of the March madness pool that was just me and him. [14:16]
BingoBoingo This year though going to Seals with Clubs and getting bot robbed and facing a ponzi, it is hard to back an accusation because Micon does to. [14:17]
ThickAsThieves was that ever a reason to? [14:19]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you got botproof ? [14:23]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Micon used to be quite the scam early warning system/ [14:23]
mircea_popescu or more like bothunch [14:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: bothunch [14:23]
mircea_popescu bothunch and the naked bot lunch [14:23]
BingoBoingo The bothunch is supported by the wasteland that used to be rich cash games on seals. [14:24]
davout mircea_popescu: iirc the stat doesn't tell you about executions for orders that never hit the book [14:24]
BingoBoingo It has only been 9 months since I've been ther. [14:24]
mircea_popescu davout you know how the tracking thing works ? [14:24]
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davout mircea_popescu: yeah you linked that previously to me [14:25]
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Bugpowder Giddyup [14:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00083746 = 0.8375 BTC [+] {4} [14:25]
davout i just need to go from understanding how it works to implementing it [14:25]
Bugpowder Anyone selling goxbux??? I hear they are having a 75% off sale [14:25]
davout i didn't say it wasn't possible, i said it was handled in a way that qualifies as "a little weird" in my system [14:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043542 = 0.4354 BTC [+] {10} [14:26]
mircea_popescu davout i can see that yeah [14:26]
mircea_popescu jus' checking. [14:26]
Lasseter Lee- Lethe libbelol licnep lil_data_ lippoper ll lnostdal lnovy LorenzoMoney1 Luke-Jr lysobit [14:26]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder maybe lnovy ? [14:26]
davout mircea_popescu: so to sum it all up you get a track ID from the synchronous response message [14:26]
BingoBoingo Wait, is lnovy Dashe's IRC handle? [14:27]
davout so if it isn't in your next stat you conclude it executed [14:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019798 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2} [14:27]
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BingoBoingo davout: That or niggers.config [14:27]
davout BingoBoingo: lolwut [14:27]
KRS-One haha [14:27]
mircea_popescu davout no. you get a track id in all executed orders. if it matches the hash of an order of yours then that hit the book and disappeared. if it doesn't then your order was on the book and got hit by someone else. [14:27]
KRS-One There have been times irl I wish I had that config file. [14:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo whose ? [14:28]
BingoBoingo lno *-* WTF is that Dash? [14:28]
BingoBoingo Micon though lacks the trust I offered him a year ago. [14:29]
mircea_popescu i have no idea what you are sayin [14:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Anil Dash. I'm trying to imagine his IRC nicks [14:29]
davout mircea_popescu: imma look into that [14:29]
davout BingoBoingo: you're drunk aren't you [14:30]
BingoBoingo davout: Credibly though. [14:30]
mircea_popescu [14:30]
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davout i can see drunk people. when i'm not high. [14:30]
mircea_popescu lol [14:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC [14:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00044503 = 0.2225 BTC [+] {6} [14:31]
BingoBoingo Fuck that map. Drunk chicago is a negative. Shit should be carried to Ohio and dumped in the shit river. [14:31]
ThickAsThieves Mark's cat is named Tibane, like the gox co [14:32]
ozbot Tibane's new house (first attempt) - YouTube [14:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.0008518 = 0.8518 BTC [+] {4} [14:32]
Bugpowder [14:32]
ozbot Google’s Buying All the Robots… | DataFox [14:32]
Bugpowder THat's a lot of acquisitions [14:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019981 = 0.3996 BTC [+] {6} [14:34]
mircea_popescu google has probably the world's best buyouts department. [14:34]
mircea_popescu like, historically. [14:34]
BingoBoingo Prolly [14:34]
BingoBoingo Not mere historically though. [14:35]
ThickAsThieves they are building ed-209 i guess [14:35]
BingoBoingo Like. DOD regulations are the only pseudo obstacle kind of success. [14:35]
Bugpowder This is all it took for MtGox to fold. [14:36]
davout omfg, karpeles makes an apple pie on a porn movie sound track [14:36]
davout [14:36]
Bugpowder Compare to Kiev [14:36]
KRS-One haha never saw that one [14:36]
Bugpowder Mark's sword was less powerful than expected [14:36]
davout the music [14:36]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder you got your timeline mixed up there. [14:36]
KRS-One is he czech? [14:36]
mircea_popescu why do people keep doing this re mtgox, event x at t, event y at t+k, o look, y is all it took for x. [14:37]
KRS-One french [14:37]
Bugpowder That was a happier time for Tux... The pie had not been eaten [14:38]
davout i kinda feel sorry for him [14:38]
mircea_popescu sure, fat stupid guy caught in a position that wasn';t for him. it's understandable. [14:39]
KRS-One for being one of those nerdy fat kids who wears black all the time, thinks he is a genius and believes he is better than everyone else? [14:39]
mircea_popescu we had this mildly retarded chick in highschool, her parents kept pushing her to "achieve". [14:39]
Bugpowder It does seem that he knows how to bake a nice pie [14:39]
mircea_popescu she spent about 16 hours doing homework each day. [14:39]
davout Bugpowder: he's french how would he not [14:40]
mircea_popescu eventually ended up an assitant uni teacher. generations of freshmen mocked her bitterly. [14:40]
KRS-One a misguided soul [14:40]
mircea_popescu never got married, never progressed past assistant position, just... [14:40]
mircea_popescu just suffered, basically. [14:40]
mircea_popescu sad fate. [14:40]
BingoBoingo I had fun fucking mildly retarded (in my estimation) girl who was the a star forward on the HS soccer team. [14:40]
davout sad [14:41]
KRS-One BingoBoingo: retard fucker [14:41]
mircea_popescu coulda been a grocery clerk or a florist or a shoe store saleswoman and been just fine. [14:41]
mircea_popescu but no, "gotta achieve". [14:41]
BingoBoingo She could suck a dick great [14:41]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone ever offered. [14:41]
KRS-One BingoBoingo: oh..well then. [14:41]
BingoBoingo KRS-One: Prolly just stupid [14:41]
mircea_popescu but one time she was walking backwards and ran into a pole [14:41]
BingoBoingo Could suck a great dick though [14:41]
mircea_popescu so she turned around and apologized [14:42]
davout mircea_popescu: florist sounds good! [14:42]
KRS-One BingoBoingo: that matters more. [14:42]
mircea_popescu which was the lol for a month. [14:42]
KRS-One omg mircea_popescu LOL [14:42]
mircea_popescu i think your average guy would rather have been caught in bed with a small boy than with her. [14:42]
KRS-One hahahhaa omg you got me laughing [14:42]
KRS-One i need.. [14:43]
KRS-One .bait [14:43]
mircea_popescu KRS-One stop laughing at tards, have you no conscience ? [14:43]
ozbot [14:43]
KRS-One nope [14:43]
mircea_popescu a well. [14:43]
KRS-One nah i do have a conscience..its just okay to laugh at life. [14:43]
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mircea_popescu "Google may have missed skipped social, but they’re bringing together a lot of highly talented teams that are working on:" [14:45]
mircea_popescu strategically sound decision. [14:45]
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mircea_popescu social is worth just about squat. [14:45]
ThickAsThieves except they didnt skip social at all [14:46]
ThickAsThieves they just failed quickly [14:46]
BingoBoingo I still can't believe how disappointing a wee bit of education made Micon [14:46]
ThickAsThieves which is just as well [14:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves failed quickly, moved on, w/e. [14:46]
ThickAsThieves at least they didnt buy twitter or whatever [14:47]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: I dare you to browse Seals ring games [14:47]
BingoBoingo So dead. [14:47]
ThickAsThieves all energy emitted from Seals and its people has indicated for me to stay away since first contact [14:48]
mircea_popescu that bad eh ? [14:48]
BingoBoingo They (Micon) rightly called BFL out as a scam [14:48]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Deader than you imagine [14:48]
mircea_popescu is poker dead generally or they just stoopid ? [14:49]
ThickAsThieves any property worth scooping up in the ashes? [14:49]
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BingoBoingo Poker is definitely injured [14:49]
BingoBoingo The thing I lost to last night could not have been a human player though. [14:50]
ThickAsThieves "Google reportedly offered $10 billion for WhatsApp" [14:50]
ThickAsThieves bahwell [14:50]
mircea_popescu reportedly by whom ? [14:50]
ThickAsThieves Furtune [14:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: By liver sense [14:50]
ThickAsThieves [14:51]
ozbot Google offered to buy WhatsApp for $10 billion - Fortune Tech [14:51]
BingoBoingo 11 Months ago I was the only person willing to bet 1 BTC agaisnt Micon on NCAA tournament brackets [14:51]
BingoBoingo That was a stupid decision/ [14:51]
ThickAsThieves "Two separate sources have told me that's how much Google (GOOG) offered to purchase WhatsApp. The bid did not come with promise of a board seat, unlike the Facebook agreement." [14:51]
ThickAsThieves his mom and his cat [14:51]
ThickAsThieves her* [14:52]
ThickAsThieves "Jessi Hempel is a New York-based technology writer for Fortune. She has written extensively about digital media, online advertising and social networking. " [14:52]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves right, two sources have told nobody in particular that things diversely may have been etc. [14:52]
BingoBoingo Maybe this is crazy, but a Google board seat is worth more than Facebook board seats [14:53]
Bugpowder This guy seems to have a better idea for what is going on with WhatsApp. [14:54]
ThickAsThieves as in it's more costly for Google to have one more idiot in the ranks than not [14:54]
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mircea_popescu lol [14:54]
mircea_popescu hey guise, have you heard about jpm rebranding ? [14:54]
ThickAsThieves only that you mentioned it [14:54]
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mircea_popescu they're gonna be PopCorn [14:55]
mircea_popescu "just turn the heat on and they jump" [14:55]
ThickAsThieves "An airy delight!" [14:55]
mircea_popescu "I can't believe it's not CDOs" [14:55]
nicknode lol [14:55]
ThickAsThieves "Buttered up and consumed!" [14:56]
mircea_popescu "Once you swap, you can't stop" [14:56]
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BingoBoingo JPM has exactly one way to rebrand [14:56]
ThickAsThieves "See if you catch one in the mouth!" [14:56]
nicknode any news out of asicminer? [14:56]
mircea_popescu da fuck is fn4-586 [14:56]
mircea_popescu nicknode yeah they were bought out by facebook [14:57]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: A footnote. [14:57]
mircea_popescu 19bn. [14:57]
mircea_popescu a cool. [14:57]
nicknode nice, well then this was a good morning then lol [14:57]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The footnote I point at fiat olds and BTC newbs [14:57]
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mircea_popescu aha [14:58]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Even Pirates had their black flags which were the sign they were willing to offer quarter. [15:00]
BingoBoingo I have no use for the red flag and denial of quarter from reality. [15:00]
mircea_popescu fun fact : a roger was shakespeare era term for beggars with pretense of learning. [15:02]
mircea_popescu sort-of like forumites, basically. [15:03]
ThickAsThieves wife: "Facebook bought WhatsApp for $19b? Suckers, they could've downloaded it for free." [15:03]
BingoBoingo A true Ver. There is a population in the US that has an 18 to 36 month window to hedge their existence. [15:03]
davout ThickAsThieves: lol [15:08]
BingoBoingo Also, "Roger" was a shakespeare era term necessitated by the mere decades of seamanship the english would have to pass the dutch by at that time. [15:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves maybe they planned to use it for more than a year. [15:08]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Facebook wanted the people who couldn't afford facebook [15:09]
ThickAsThieves prediction: facebook starts buying dating sites [15:10]
mircea_popescu nah [15:12]
ThickAsThieves then? [15:12]
BingoBoingo I though t facebooks revenues came from people not getting laid [15:12]
mircea_popescu wasn't matt's gf all ranty against dating sites ? [15:12]
ThickAsThieves why these make too much sense? [15:12]
mircea_popescu "o snapchat allows teens to fuck all day long i don't care" ? [15:12]
nicknode not that much value in not getting laid [15:12]
ThickAsThieves who's matt anyway? [15:13]
ThickAsThieves mark? [15:13]
mircea_popescu nicknode in general the average male would prefer to not get laid and be bossed around than to get laid and have to boss the women around. [15:13]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves whoever hoodie-whats-his-face. zuckerberg [15:13]
ThickAsThieves word [15:13]
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ThickAsThieves bigtime silicon valley ceo's have very small wardrobes [15:14]
davout ThickAsThieves: yay, i can be a big time silicon valley ceo [15:14]
mircea_popescu no because nigeria [15:15]
ThickAsThieves you may choose black turtleneck, tshirt, hoodie, sneakers or 3-piece suit less tie and top button [15:15]
davout mircea_popescu: lol fuck you [15:15]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves if i were the [ex] yahoo ceo i'd show up for work in a black and white apron [15:15]
ThickAsThieves cuz ur colorblind? [15:15]
BingoBoingo I am still wrapping my head around Seals was full last year, but it was still just me versus Micon in March Madness [15:15]
davout no cause his place is dirty [15:16]
mircea_popescu CAUSE I WOULD BE A WOMAN [15:16]
ThickAsThieves you mean that blonde chick? [15:16]
ThickAsThieves she got fired? [15:16]
mircea_popescu well im covering my bets. [15:16]
mircea_popescu maybe she was meanwhile who;s to know [15:16]
ThickAsThieves the world conspires with you [15:16]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Hitting mircea for his general ly compromised sight would be like criticizing me for my hearing. [15:17]
mircea_popescu someone should make a line of business go-go suits and shear body stockings for women in the boardroom [15:17]
ThickAsThieves i dunno, being colorblind cant be that bad [15:17]
BingoBoingo I dunno how it can't be. I mean in the pussy you get to see the actual pink. [15:18]
ThickAsThieves i have constant tinnitus and i'm ok [15:18]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude, my sight is fine. i can shoot sparrows half mile away. it's just i don't see most useless colors. [15:18]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You let the color blind thing out a while ago but the half inch text very recently. We needed to force the answer. [15:19]
mircea_popescu the text thing is for confort tho. [15:19]
ThickAsThieves i assume half-inch is an exaggeration [15:20]
davout that's what she said [15:20]
* ThickAsThieves waits for a "that's what she said"... [15:20]
ThickAsThieves dangit! [15:20]
davout lmao [15:20]
mircea_popescu i can read most stuff people need loupes for with my naked eyes, but that doesn't mean i want to [15:20]
mircea_popescu on any sort of continued basis [15:20]
BingoBoingo Understandable mircea_popescu. I can barely stand test less dense than 8 pts offers on a screen (unless it is a spectaculary fail screen). [15:21]
MisterE when are we gonna test 500 already?!?! [15:23]
MisterE been waiting for days [15:23]
BingoBoingo MisterE: August? [15:23]
ThickAsThieves i'll tell you for 5btc [15:23]
MisterE this stability pisses me off [15:23]
mircea_popescu why ?! [15:23]
MisterE lol I like the swings [15:24]
ThickAsThieves cuz gemz [15:24]
BingoBoingo MisterE: I can sell you instability for the right price. [15:24]
MisterE like craps I guess you try to catch the streaks [15:24]
MisterE play a conservative game [15:24]
MisterE only pass/ don;t pass bets [15:24]
BingoBoingo MisterE: Conservative Game? Are you Rumsfeld in Fallujah? [15:24]
MisterE the place the taliban just took back? [15:25]
MisterE well not just [15:25]
BingoBoingo MisterE: Wrong brown people. [15:25]
ThickAsThieves MisterE, $500 will be tested in approx 7 days [15:26]
BingoBoingo Oh, I though this was MPEX 0.1 lots [15:26]
BingoBoingo $500/BTC has been whipped for quite a while [15:27]
ThickAsThieves whipped? [15:27]
nicknode ThickAsThieves: what is the relationship between you and havelock? i was under the impression you were more or less the same entity, but apparently not? trying to understand the TaT,havelock,asicminer thinigie posted about in the last day [15:27]
MisterE naah 500 is only a NY regulator's announcement away [15:27]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Yeah, like an antiquated piece of farm equiptment that can't even imagine challenging a tractor. [15:27]
MisterE wtf is up with Cox anywyas? [15:27]
MisterE Iwas away for a couple days [15:28]
BingoBoingo nicknode: ThickAsThieves is someone Havelock was fucking. [15:28]
BingoBoingo Nao ThickAsThieves has a spine [15:28]
BingoBoingo And he dun like to get fucked [15:28]
ThickAsThieves lol [15:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19612 @ 0.00086128 = 16.8914 BTC [-] [15:29]
ThickAsThieves that doesnt even work in the abstract [15:29]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Some things work better in the real than the abstract. [15:29]
ThickAsThieves nicknode, why would you think we're all the same thing? [15:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: what is the relationship between you and havelock? i was under the impression you were more or less the same entity, but apparently not? <<< see ? this is what you did. now pay for it. [15:30]
nicknode tarded lack of research, first impressions blah blag [15:30]
ThickAsThieves so research [15:30]
nicknode anyway, i kind of thought you were the guy operating havelock. apparently not. but what does the latest news mean? [15:30]
ThickAsThieves there's the plain above you, there's the parachute below you [15:30]
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BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Be afraid. This is moar research than most of your PT investors do. [15:31]
ThickAsThieves plane* [15:31]
ThickAsThieves derp [15:31]
KRS-One nicknode: you thought TaT was Havelock? wow [15:31]
ThickAsThieves that's a first [15:31]
mircea_popescu not afaik, no. [15:31]
nicknode well yeah. anyway, care to enlighten me as to the latest developments? [15:31]
ThickAsThieves still not as bad as emails i get asking me how to buy AM100 [15:31]
ThickAsThieves what more is needed to know than what was announced? [15:32]
mircea_popescu "First they came for the lawyers, and I didn't say anything because I am not a lawyer. Now everything is awesome." [15:32]
nicknode well since my confusion runs pretty thick with regards to the involved entities, i dont get what it means [15:32]
ThickAsThieves man you need to articulate [15:33]
ThickAsThieves i know you can do it [15:33]
nicknode you make a great impression [15:34]
ThickAsThieves it means Havelock is running the listed things I will used to have run [15:34]
nicknode ahh, confusion clearing slightly [15:34]
BingoBoingo Remember when Havelock ran only an S.DICE passthrough [15:34]
ThickAsThieves did you read all the words in the announcement? [15:34]
BingoBoingo Those days were the best lols [15:35]
ThickAsThieves mp, what's that lawyer quote from/for? [15:35]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Oh, it is just standard hebe talk [15:36]
nicknode it makes more sense now that I'm disabused for some preconceived notions yes. thank you :) [15:36]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves some twitter guy. you care who ? [15:36]
ThickAsThieves i found it, i just cant suss the context [15:36]
ThickAsThieves or meaning... [15:36]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, i remember. those were the days when investors didn't lose btc weekly. [15:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well it was that shot period between GLBSE's death and the emergence of the lessers. [15:37]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you know the "first they came for the tits, but i said nothing because i wasn't a tit, then they came for the cunt, but i said nothing for i wasn;'t a cunt, now i got nowhere to jack off" thing ? [15:38]
ThickAsThieves nope [15:38]
mircea_popescu jesus. [15:38]
BingoBoingo I remember the days when havelock was just TAT on steroids [15:38]
mircea_popescu what sort of a jew are you. [15:39]
ThickAsThieves dont call me that it's embarassing [15:39]
ThickAsThieves a catholic one [15:39]
mircea_popescu [15:39]
ozbot First they came ... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [15:39]
BingoBoingo Sweet, funnel cloud!!! How long will I have internet!!! [15:39]
ThickAsThieves i wish i was raised jewish, christ [15:40]
mircea_popescu sooo.... facebook being cut to ew and neutral across the board. [15:40]
BingoBoingo I love tornado weather [15:40]
MisterE where do I get the btc-e api key and secret? [15:41]
random_cat it's better served cold, bingoboingo [15:41]
MisterE oic profile [15:41]
ThickAsThieves shoulda bought okcupid [15:42]
ThickAsThieves hey i like this first they came thing and now i get it, thx [15:43]
BingoBoingo random_cat: Fuku, Imma be wearing this welt for a week nao. [15:43]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i'm shocked you never heard it before. it's really a meme. [15:44]
BingoBoingo Like a really old meme [15:44]
BingoBoingo Like I am trying to figure out if this is merely impact swelling or floating detached bone [15:45]
ThickAsThieves imagine what else i don't know [15:46]
ThickAsThieves :) [15:46]
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BingoBoingo For serious so many ice bitches on my lawn. [15:48]
ThickAsThieves [15:48]
ThickAsThieves must be verified to wd coins too now [15:48]
nicknode wow [15:49]
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davout because they'll be found to have covered it all up [16:00]
-NickServ- You failed to identify in time for the nickname mircea_popescu [16:00]
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Mallstromm davout: that would (partially) explain the absurd 100k x day limit on outgoing transactions? [16:01]
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davout Mallstromm: i think that the limit is bullshit [16:01]
Mallstromm I agree. There's no way you have such limits. [16:01]
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davout our bank already did bigger wires than that, for *one* wire [16:01]
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davout you know, not for all the days wire [16:02]
Mallstromm And if you have them, you just increase those limits depending on your volume [16:02]
BingoBoingo davout: Is there a good way to get fucktons of USD into yout exchange? [16:02]
Mallstromm davout: I know and I agree. If you have the money, you can move it. That's how it works and how banks make their money. [16:02]
davout BingoBoingo: first question is "can you register?" [16:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.16230094 = 4.0575 BTC [-] [16:02]
davout BingoBoingo: you're murrican right [16:02]
davout if so then you can't [16:03]
BingoBoingo davout: I dunno. [16:03]
Glotarolt He is IDIOT [16:03]
davout Mallstromm: exactly, they charge you, that's all [16:03]
Mallstromm yeah, being 'murrican kinda sucks. Such freedom, such wealth, such ass-rape :D [16:03]
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davout wow [16:03]
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Mallstromm Such NSA. Such guantanamo. Such ban on 'murricans on all BTC exchanges :D [16:04]
Mallstromm its really the land of the free [16:04]
davout Mallstromm: no, only a couple actually [16:04]
BingoBoingo davout: With lead time if necessary I can be dutch. [16:05]
Mallstromm davout: anyone willing to run a SERIOUS exchange will probably have to ban most american customers unless they can get MSB license in ALL States. That's kinda unpractical [16:05]
davout BingoBoingo: LOL [16:05]
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davout Mallstromm: that makes no sense, the concept of a MSB exists only in the US, for the purpose of doing business with americans [16:06]
BingoBoingo davout: It's true though from my understanding of EU law and ancestery. [16:06]
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davout BingoBoingo: even i couldn't get dual dutch citizenship [16:06]
random_cat south carolina does not require a msb [16:06]
davout and i'm fucking born there :) [16:06]
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Mallstromm davout: there's need to be a dual-citizenship treaty for that and not many countries have such treaties [16:07]
Mallstromm davout: the fact is that if you ban 'murricans you avoid a lot of hassle [16:07]
equex usa demands you give up one [16:07]
davout Mallstromm: france and the netherlands had this retarded kid [16:07]
davout and called it belgium [16:07]
equex the us one [16:08]
BingoBoingo davout: I guess either I won the grandpa lottery or the civil service there is too fucked to follow the law. [16:08]
Mallstromm davout Mallstromm: france and the netherlands had this retarded kid -> THAT MADE ME LOL :D [16:08]
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BingoBoingo davout: All the better. My ancestors are Flemish [16:09]
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Bugpowder Mallstromm: Why is an MSB license impractical. You are thinking that MtGox level dipshites are going to be running the serious exchanges from now on? Major VC money is moving into the space, and US people will have liquidity access within their brokerage account by EOY. [16:11]
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davout Bugpowder: what exactly do you call major VC money? [16:11]
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davout coinbase's 25m? [16:11]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker --market mtgox [16:11]
Mallstromm I don't see major VC money [16:11]
Mallstromm I see peanuts [16:11]
Bugpowder that's just a start [16:11]
Mallstromm a few VC's gambling with play money [16:11]
Mallstromm that's all [16:11]
kakobrekla >15:35 A new protester has joined and is not happy. [16:11]
kakobrekla omg this is hilarious [16:12]
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Bugpowder just keep thinking like the 2012-2013 paradigm will persist this year and next... [16:12]
davout Bugpowder: what's the 2012-2013 paradigm? [16:12]
ThickAsThieves that bitcoin is a nerdfadponziscam [16:13]
Bugpowder Shitty companies, shitty liquidity and nobody paying attention. [16:13]
BingoBoingo VC's gambling sounds right. [16:13]
Bugpowder That's what VCs do [16:13]
ThickAsThieves bug, what's your outlook for next ATH? [16:13]
Bugpowder $4000 [16:13]
Bugpowder next to [16:14]
ThickAsThieves timewise [16:14]
Bugpowder top [16:14]
Bugpowder EOY [16:14]
Bugpowder but that's just based on growth curves [16:14]
BingoBoingo If Goldman or JP Morgan wants to get in this sector I am their hebe. [16:14]
ThickAsThieves i had $3400 in July [16:14]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [16:21]
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mircea_popescu Mallstromm sooo... who are you ? [16:27]
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Mallstromm mircea_popescu: an ex-securitate agent now looking into illicit business [16:30]
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BingoBoingo Mallstromm: You ever have a clearance? [16:31]
mircea_popescu how clever. [16:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00086282 = 22.347 BTC [+] {2} [16:31]
Mallstromm :D [16:31]
mircea_popescu so typical twennysomething boi with too much too prove ? [16:32]
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BingoBoingo Mallstromm: Are you elligible for the TS/SCI job fairs? [16:32]
Mallstromm mircea_popescu: unfortunately not so young [16:32]
mircea_popescu well time cures all. [16:32]
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Mallstromm BingoBoingo: of course, my background is perfect to grant me a position in any three letter agency [16:33]
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BingoBoingo Mallstromm: Congrats. I passed that chance up and my brain grew into a need for lamotrigine. [16:34]
Mallstromm now just cooperating with SELEC ( [16:34]
mircea_popescu lmao why's the casa poporului there [16:35]
BingoBoingo lol [16:35]
mircea_popescu "BRUSSELS, January 21st, 2014", here's a picture of some building from romania. [16:36]
Mallstromm :D [16:36]
Mallstromm SELEC is run by the FBI (no joke). You know how amateurish these 'murricans guys are [16:36]
mircea_popescu cute. [16:37]
ozbot SELEC Web Site [16:37]
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Mallstromm well, you get paid in USD. :) [16:39]
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BingoBoingo Mallstromm: Who does? [16:40]
Mallstromm Selec workers [16:40]
mircea_popescu o this is the seci thing [16:41]
mircea_popescu jesus what's with the constant rebranding. [16:41]
Mallstromm yes, its the SECI thing [16:42]
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Mallstromm SECI is the old naming, SELEC is the new one [16:43]
mircea_popescu did it step in some paintcan or something ? [16:43]
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Mallstromm still the official proxy of US three-letter-agencies in Eastern Europe [16:43]
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mircea_popescu well cool. [16:44]
Mallstromm well, now we can stop joking :) sorry to interrupt you guys... But you was the one asking, Mircea [16:44]
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mircea_popescu so wait, you aren't an ex securitate agent with a job in teh ex seci now secl? [16:45]
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ThickAsThieves cointerra delivers [16:49]
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Mallstromm empty boxes? [16:49]
ThickAsThieves mtgoxes [16:50]
mircea_popescu hahaha [16:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07299999 = 1.241 BTC [+] {2} [16:50]
mircea_popescu haven't i seen those three fan things before ? [16:51]
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mircea_popescu Created 15 hours ago 5 views << wow. [16:51]
mircea_popescu nobody cares, srsly ? [16:52]
BingoBoingo Shit [16:52]
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ThickAsThieves i only found it incidentally [16:52]
ThickAsThieves Korbman posted it [16:53]
BingoBoingo ;;tslb [16:53]
gribble Time since last block: 20 minutes and 45 seconds [16:53]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [16:54]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 3786669022.0 based on data since last change | 3995924804.52 based on data for last three days [16:54]
ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [16:54]
gribble Current Blocks: 286894 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 1393 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3786669022.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.99634 [16:54]
BingoBoingo I have such a solid knot on my forehead. Fuck hail [16:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0008639 = 47.1257 BTC [+] {2} [16:56]
ThickAsThieves ouch [16:57]
ThickAsThieves maybe you are becoming a full bronie [16:57]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: I still have like two drinks left in this fifth. [16:58]
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ThickAsThieves i know i said it already, but i fukn love this fever-tree ginger beer as a mixer [16:59]
ThickAsThieves makes your lips burn with joy [16:59]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Right nao I'm doing 50/50 instant coffee and vodka [17:00]
Mallstromm ThichkAsThieves: wonderful. Did you try the moscow mule with it? Fever-tree ginger beet + lime + vodka [17:00]
ThickAsThieves i add grapefruit juice too [17:01]
Mallstromm I prefer the original "moscow mule" with only vodka and some drops of natural lime juice [17:01]
Mallstromm grapefruit juice is too 'murrican for my taste :D [17:01]
BingoBoingo Grapefruit is healthy except for that part where it inhibits all of the good liver enzymes. [17:02]
ThickAsThieves hehe, too grapefruity for most people's taste i bet [17:02]
ThickAsThieves my wife thinks i prefer the most gross stuff [17:02]
ThickAsThieves hops, ginger, etc [17:02]
BingoBoingo Grapefruit tastes good enough. [17:02]
mircea_popescu tampons ? [17:02]
BingoBoingo Grapre fruit just leaves you vulerable to every poison ever. [17:02]
Mallstromm ThickAsThieves: i hope she's just speaking about food/beverages and not other kind of philias [17:03]
ThickAsThieves so it gets you higher, big deal [17:03]
ThickAsThieves :) [17:03]
ThickAsThieves well i do also like twister japanese horror [17:03]
ThickAsThieves twisted* [17:03]
asciilifeform from the circus: [17:04]
kakobrekla wait, instant coffee and vodka in same cup?? [17:04]
kakobrekla i think id rather drink petrol [17:04]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Yeah, for justice [17:04]
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ThickAsThieves probly taste similar [17:04]
Mallstromm kakobrekla: i hope he was joking, that's beyong gross [17:04]
mircea_popescu i think id rather drink petrol << in moscow they do. [17:04]
kakobrekla i dunno, he does have balls. [17:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know what daily mail is right ? [17:05]
mircea_popescu sort-of like business insider with better creative writing. [17:05]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu and survive? [17:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: of course. [17:05]
mircea_popescu sure. they're survival champs. [17:05]
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asciilifeform i can't wait for the tabloids to 'nsa ufos!1!!' [17:06]
Mallstromm well, if they survive winter in Novosibirsk they can survive anything [17:06]
kakobrekla here, bomb. [17:06]
Mallstromm in fact i wouldn't know how to survive a winter in Novosibirsk without drinking petrol [17:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so is the guy in custody ? [17:06]
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BingoBoingo Fuck UFO's. Shit s boring. Fucking clouds attacked me today. [17:06]
asciilifeform [17:07]
ozbot Damascus man charged in death his 3-year-old adopted son - The Washington Post [17:07]
asciilifeform possibly. [17:07]
mircea_popescu "he is being held without bond." [17:08]
mircea_popescu they just added that lol. [17:08]
mircea_popescu no capital or anything. [17:08]
asciilifeform [17:08]
ozbot University of Maryland computer security breach exposes 300,000 records - The Washington Post [17:08]
asciilifeform haha and there's the tortoise [17:08]
BingoBoingo Fucking terps [17:08]
BingoBoingo Herp Turp [17:08]
asciilifeform notice the dirt? [17:08]
asciilifeform it's from the 'sacrifices.' [17:09]
BingoBoingo So... concussion first aid. Is sleep good or bad? [17:10]
BingoBoingo If the patient is plastered. [17:10]
mircea_popescu it's fine. [17:10]
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BingoBoingo Fuck spinny ice wind thingies. [17:11]
asciilifeform [17:11]
ozbot The University of Maryland :: A Public Research University Advancing our State and the World [17:11]
asciilifeform (mtgox style turdletter) [17:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.06300337 = 1.5751 BTC [-] {4} [17:12]
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Mallstromm LOOOOL Mircea, what about that picture on your Twitter account? The one in which you are wearing an open shirt, showing to the world your beautiful chest? [17:12]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Universities have done worse. When I was at Mizzou their research reactor had a security breach. [17:12]
Mallstromm :D [17:12]
Mallstromm [17:12]
ozbot Mircea Popescu (Mircea_Popescu) on Twitter [17:12]
Mallstromm its hilarious man [17:12]
mircea_popescu hallo yes i am mircea popescu. [17:12]
mircea_popescu wtf. [17:12]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Largest research reactor in the US [17:12]
BingoBoingo Mallstromm: WHat is wrong with a dude showing some chest if he gets the pussy? [17:13]
Mallstromm "if he gets the pussy" [17:14]
Mallstromm :D [17:14]
mircea_popescu srsly, topless guys are a big deal nao ? [17:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe he doesn't ask or tell? [17:14]
mircea_popescu i fucking live in this world where women go about nude in teh park. i guess it'd be an ivory... tower ? [17:14]
Mallstromm well, you know, in some parts of the world taking a walk in the center of a city in top-less is quite awkward [17:15]
mircea_popescu in and of itself, awkward ? [17:15]
mircea_popescu some stupid bitch could be awkward at it, sure. [17:15]
Mallstromm :D [17:15]
BingoBoingo Mallstromm: You don't look like Mark Karpales do you? [17:15]
mircea_popescu the point of training is that she's not awkward. [17:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1203 @ 0.00019706 = 0.2371 BTC [-] {5} [17:16]
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asciilifeform re: nsa chief: i wonder if the prosecutor knows that prosecutors 'could also have problems' [17:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'll bet yo uthat particular prosecutor does not care. [17:17]
asciilifeform that's more or less the whole interesting part of the picture. [17:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Interesting is Mizzou reactor breach merely needed a cab and not a prosecutor. [17:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ? [17:18]
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BingoBoingo So... I am fairly certain that in this channel I have made comments that limit the set of people who could be me to 1. But Meta-NSA is a myth. [17:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: worry after i'm impaled. [17:20]
BingoBoingo Fucking storm raid sirens again. [17:20]
mircea_popescu should we start a deadpool ? [17:21]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm just surprised the bore of an M16 is so small like a ruger plinking rifle. [17:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not like this is a national secret [17:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in most of the u.s. you can walk into a store and buy the damn thing and try it for yourself [17:21]
asciilifeform what's funny is that the ussr slavishly copied the 'tiny bullet' school of thought in '74 [17:22]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No, but... At least the Moissin-Nagant through the M-14 had the virtue of not being bored in squirrel caliber. [17:22]
asciilifeform they taught soldiers marksmanship in those days [17:23]
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BingoBoingo And engagement at distance. [17:23]
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asciilifeform the modern school of thought, i believe, is 'wound, don't kill, the enemy and tie up three men' [17:24]
asciilifeform (actual experts are invited to comment) [17:24]
mircea_popescu at least in guerilla warfare, definitely. [17:24]
BingoBoingo I'd believe that. [17:24]
Mats_cd03 556 is godly [17:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you ever read the old trilema article re the la bank robbers ? [17:25]
BingoBoingo Wierdest thing I've known is the Yugo SKS. Soviet bullet, Nato grenade launcher [17:25]
Mats_cd03 twice the combat load due yo half the weight of a 763 round [17:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the one with the armour? [17:25]
Mats_cd03 762 dat is [17:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the one observing that their strategy was correct, in that the pensions and hi of the cops they shot make it unworthwhile for the cops to show up next time. [17:26]
mircea_popescu (yeah, same one). [17:26]
asciilifeform they showed up on account of being biorobots. [17:27]
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mircea_popescu they still cost the taxpayer. [17:27]
asciilifeform ('meat puppets' in the english-speaking world?) [17:27]
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CiPi Apple has startet again to accept bitcoin apps, alot of markets accepting bitcoin...ATM`s open is USA with btc...why the price is not rising and is falling? [17:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The right armour beats the wrong bullets? [17:28]
BingoBoingo Like in North Hollywood? [17:28]
mircea_popescu [17:28]
ozbot Strategii in lupta antisociala pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:28]
mircea_popescu Strategia corecta, in sensul ca perfecta, este sa mergi si sa jefuiesti banca. Daca nu apare politia, foarte bine, mergi in treaba ta. Daca insa apare politia, macelaresti civilii. Si anume, pe toti. Fara ezitari, fara mila, cu toata atentia pentru optimizarea carnajului in sensul extensiunii. Doua-trei sute de persoane minim, intr-o zona cit de cit centrala (ca doara nu jefuiesti banci la periferie acuma). [17:28]
mircea_popescu Sigur, dupa aia cel mai probabil vei muri. Ei, si ? Conteaza mai putin asta, daca te gindesti ca a) de murit oricum mori si respectiv b) odata ce politistii stiu ca daca vin vor muri sute de civili iar daca stau acasa nu va muri nimeni ei nu mai au de fapt o alegere la dispozitie. Pur si simplu, nu le va da nimeni voie sa se apropie de locul jafului, ca trei sute de morti ori doua milioane bucata pe asigurari vine juma [17:28]
mircea_popescu ’ de miliard, iara tu nu poti fura mai mult de citeva milioane in cash, dat fiind ca n-ai cum ii duce. De fapt exact asa s-a ajuns si la regula ca-ti da bancherul oriciti bani si te lasa sa pleci, singura victorie a oamenilor antisociali in raport cu societatea din istoria moderna. [17:28]
Mats_cd03 what was that about pastebin [17:29]
mircea_popescu the correct strategy, which is to say the perfect strategy, is to go rob a bank. if no police shows up, good. if they do, butcher the civillians. which is to say, all ofthem. no mercy, no hesitation, optimize the carnage as to extension. [17:29]
mircea_popescu of course, you will likely die for it. so what ? hardly worth the menton this, if you think that a) you'll die anyway and b) once the police admin knows that sending the police means hundreds dead or wounded and if not sending the police means nothing they no longer have a choice. [17:30]
mircea_popescu pure and simple, they won't be even allowed to come near a place where someone's robbing a bank. because 300 hit at 3mn a piece is a billion, and nobody can afford to waste a billion to cover for whatever coupla million in bills you can possibly carry. [17:31]
mircea_popescu that's basically the principle there, works in all confrontations exactly the same. [17:31]
BingoBoingo Oh, robbing banks, the only way to do it wrong has to be carrying a sadwich, taking the money and walking briskly. [17:32]
mircea_popescu simple matter of cost optimisation, the well known weakness of the weak. [17:32]
mircea_popescu he who values his life has no future. [17:32]
BingoBoingo Funny story. After my allegedly disorderly conduct and old acquaintance from way back tried robbing a bank with a sandwhich. [17:33]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 3 lines man, cmon. [17:33]
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BingoBoingo His bank robbery case is resolved, my disroderly conduct misdemeanor is still pending [17:34]
BingoBoingo On those mispelling it seems like bedtime. [17:34]
mircea_popescu obviously they wanted his sandwich [17:34]
BingoBoingo Of course. [17:35]
BingoBoingo As luck would have it for him he went into lockup as I fronted the local paper. He told the people in his pad "I know that dude" [17:36]
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BingoBoingo No one messed with him, that he will talk about when he isn't hammered enough to bring out the trauma. [17:36]
BingoBoingo If only newspapers respected the sacred bounds of the word allegedly. [17:38]
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BingoBoingo Done right, that could have been a bigger 1-2 social media coup than Y-Combinator could have imagined. [17:39]
BingoBoingo I only have to assume Paul Graham doesn't know how to pay me. [17:39]
mircea_popescu you got a graham fixation or somfin' ? [17:40]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, but he makes it clear he is the money slut. I just turned 28. Going off of the lifespoans of most of my close relatives I've only got 22 years left at most. [17:41]
BingoBoingo I'm not giving up, so he is going to have to learn to pay the piper. [17:42]
mircea_popescu guy is what, 60 ? give him a break. [17:42]
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mircea_popescu you're like some chick indignant that rms won't wash for her. [17:43]
mircea_popescu "but i'm 28! and my tits are really nice!!1" [17:43]
BingoBoingo lol, fair enough. Maybe it is 'Murica, but in my ancestry lives past 50 years of age seem to be... rather uncommon. [17:45]
BingoBoingo I'll be back. Imma try to sleep while the storm raid sirens are STFU. [17:46]
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pankkake perhaps they didn't eat paleo [17:53]
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nubbins` hi [18:01]
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mircea_popescu hey [18:01]
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mike_c BingoBoingo: last sale was to me, so you don't have *all* the orders on x-bt :) [18:02]
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Mallstromm Withdrawals not working on Bitstamp [18:26]
Mallstromm [18:26]
Mallstromm sweet stuff [18:26]
kakobrekla THE COMPUTER SAYS NO [18:26]
Mallstromm [18:27]
ozbot Anyone else got bitstamp btc withdrawal problems? [18:27]
mike_c what an infuriating error message [18:27]
kakobrekla no dude [18:30]
kakobrekla "Bitstamp. How an exchange should be run. " [18:30]
kakobrekla DONT YA KNOW?! [18:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07002301 = 0.14 BTC [-] [18:31]
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mike_c best in the business. it's like being the best spammer or something. [18:31]
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kakobrekla lel [18:34]
nubbins` ** ATTENTION ** As per our terms of service, we only service Canadian Citizens. If you deposit BTC, you will **NOT** be able to withdraw them until you are level 1 Verified or higher. Failure to get level 1 verified or higher will result in the **FORFEITURE OF YOUR COINS**!!! [18:34]
nubbins` ^ cavirtex [18:34]
nubbins` as a canadian citizen, i eagerly await my servicing [18:34]
nubbins` my body is ready [18:35]
Bugpowder This is probably the first time Mark K has bitten off more than he could chew. [18:35]
mircea_popescu wait, forfeiture of coins ? [18:35]
mircea_popescu you mean people don't have the god given right to send bitcoin to any address for any purpose they themselves established ? [18:36]
kakobrekla he did that the first time he installed bitcoind Bugpowder [18:36]
nubbins` oh, they have the right [18:37]
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nubbins` they just don't have the right to get their coins returned to them [18:37]
Bugpowder Incoming Bitcoin that doesn't exactly match a quoted sum will be simply kept, reported as profits and distributed to MPEx shareholders. [18:37]
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kakobrekla yeah but we all know he is just crazy. [18:38]
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nubbins` hi [18:42]
nubbins` trying to build eulora, gonna grind up some beef soon [18:42]
Apocalyptic .d [18:42]
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dexX7_ woah x_X my test withdrawal from kraken to fidor bank via sepa did not even take one hour [18:53]
nubbins` :o [18:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [+] [18:57]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` a yes lemme know [18:59]
mircea_popescu dexX7_ wd. [18:59]
mircea_popescu sepa is normally like that. provided, you know, the exchange actually sends it. [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.90663431 BTC to 2`373 shares, 80347 satoshi per share [18:59]
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davout hey mjr_ [19:00]
jurov depends, sepa can arrive next day [19:00]
AndrewWhatsUpppp sepa is a month+ last i heard [19:01]
ThickAsThieves Spanish banking group BBVA acquires Simple for $117 million in cash [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] [19:03]
jurov AndrewWhatsUpppp that's mtgox exclusive feature [19:04]
AndrewWhatsUpppp haha [19:04]
AndrewWhatsUpppp true. realSEPA (lol) is 1-2 business days yes [19:04]
mircea_popescu AndrewWhatsUpppp congratulations on being bought out for 190 billion. [19:04]
AndrewWhatsUpppp especially if your whole country has adopted the IBAN standard [19:04]
TwinWinNerD If the bank actually sends out the SEPA it is there within hours. But banking... [19:05]
ThickAsThieves [19:05]
ozbot Doug Kass Doubles Down on Tesla Short - MoneyBeat - WSJ [19:05]
mircea_popescu that's not going to end well. [19:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0004458 = 0.2229 BTC [+] {4} [19:07]
Bugpowder Trading 101 - How to dollar-cost average a short: Don’t. [19:08]
mircea_popescu at least he's a qualified investor. [19:09]
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mike_c dollar-cost average is my second favorite "finance" term after head-and-shoulders. [19:13]
mircea_popescu i always wonder why it's not tit and elbow. [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 363 @ 0.0055 = 1.9965 BTC [19:15]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: not too crucial, but i don't think the new src actually does come with instructions [19:22]
mircea_popescu what's missing ? [19:23]
nubbins` instructions :D [19:23]
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mircea_popescu you're not helping me :p [19:24]
nubbins` haha. [19:24]
nubbins` your post mentioned something about the source including instructions for building the client [19:24]
mircea_popescu well yes. [19:24]
mircea_popescu jamfiles etc [19:24]
nubbins` ah, aha. yes, sure [19:25]
nubbins` i suppose that's a form of instruction [19:25]
nubbins` i was searching for a README or something [19:25]
mircea_popescu but you know, i dunno what you want/need unless you say [19:25]
mircea_popescu o [19:25]
nubbins` altho TBF if you can't figure out how to use jam, instructions are going to be of minimal help [19:25]
mircea_popescu theres an automake or somesuch script i think [19:25]
nubbins` nod [19:26]
nubbins` ran into the same issues as before, likely related to apple's bundling their own fork of LLVM [19:26]
mircea_popescu as in it won't make or won't compile at all ? [19:27]
ThickAsThieves lawsky AMA open for questions [19:27]
nubbins` lots of compile errors. i think i'm gonna try to install it via macports [19:28]
nubbins` need to do some more reading but IIRC macports lets you specify one of many versions of gcc [19:28]
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ThickAsThieves [19:34]
ThickAsThieves is that a fingerprint scanner on his kb? [19:35]
ThickAsThieves what shitty desk setup [19:36]
ThickAsThieves where do his legs go [19:36]
mircea_popescu why the fuck does he have a gamebox [19:36]
mircea_popescu or wtf lame console i don't even know is that ? [19:36]
ThickAsThieves supernintendo lawsky meme [19:36]
ThickAsThieves he's into it [19:37]
mircea_popescu jesus. [19:37]
mircea_popescu desk too low, that thing actually looks like he's moved into his master's house as a junior slavegirl and they didn't have a spare room so he got the closet. [19:37]
mircea_popescu at least he got a blue shirt so should be ok. [19:38]
mircea_popescu that's finance, right ? [19:39]
nubbins` confirmed, his knees don't go under that keyboard tray [19:39]
ThickAsThieves blue shirt red tie, horrible [19:39]
nubbins` his back must hurt all the time [19:39]
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ThickAsThieves and look how low his monitors are [19:39]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it's a power tie. it's what real high power business execs do. [19:39]
ThickAsThieves hunch all day [19:39]
mircea_popescu if it's 2006. [19:39]
mircea_popescu i don't get these people with the top of monitor alligned to nostril arrangements. [19:39]
ThickAsThieves we're so lame [19:40]
nubbins` [19:40]
mircea_popescu here i am harranguing you people about letters too smal [19:40]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:40]
nubbins` blue shirt red tie [19:40]
ThickAsThieves is that gay will smith? [19:40]
mircea_popescu and meanwhile the ny bureaucracy is stuck nosedripping past the screen [19:40]
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ThickAsThieves anyone have any good questions for him? [19:41]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the shoes are the most worrisome. [19:41]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i want to know why is his desk so low. [19:41]
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mircea_popescu isn't he uncomfortable there ? [19:41]
nubbins` "shoes" [19:41]
nubbins` that's like calling a condom a pair of pants [19:42]
pLambert see, he never actually uses the computer, he has another desk to his right [19:43]
mircea_popescu sarcasm is the highest form of internetwit. [19:43]
mircea_popescu pLambert so your theory is basically scamcomputerdesk ? [19:43]
pLambert more that the computer is there for show [19:43]
mircea_popescu right. [19:44]
mircea_popescu ken lansky. [19:44]
ThickAsThieves aww i can only post every 8min [19:44]
ThickAsThieves lame [19:44]
mircea_popescu how 8 ?! [19:44]
ThickAsThieves or 10 or whatever [19:44]
mircea_popescu you gotta mine a reddit block ? [19:44]
ThickAsThieves "you are doing that too much. try again in 8 minutes." [19:44]
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ThickAsThieves i did ask "Would you agree that money laundering is now impossible to stop due to inter-cryptocurrency exchanges and a global market outside of the US?" [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07002201 = 0.4902 BTC [-] {3} [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.063 = 0.63 BTC [-] [19:45]
mircea_popescu such a pointless question. [19:45]
ThickAsThieves couldnt think of anything i actually wanted to know from him [19:46]
mircea_popescu ask some chick you met in a bar if she'd agree she's never going to get satisfactorily laid ever again in her life. [19:46]
ThickAsThieves well [19:46]
nubbins` 9/10 would say "i agree" [19:46]
ThickAsThieves it's more putting the topic on the table to see what he says [19:46]
nubbins` the other 1 in ten have heard of me [19:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves bad medium for that approach. i can afford it with noobs here cause they're stuck with me. amas tho... [19:47]
ThickAsThieves well the first reply shows it [19:47]
ThickAsThieves "there is no evidence that money-launderers , South American Drug Barrons or international terrorist have , of have any intention of EVER using Bitcoin ( The transaction logs on the blockchain will render them traceable ) So they will stick with the good old fashioned Dollar ( latest estimates is that there is over 1.5trillion Dollars involved world-wide ) any comments Ben ?" [19:48]
mircea_popescu tbh i kinda like the guy. i mean he looks uncomfortable as all hell and plenty clueless, [19:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02230888 = 0.1115 BTC [-] {4} [19:48]
mircea_popescu but otherwise i suspect he means well. [19:48]
ThickAsThieves i like him too [19:48]
ThickAsThieves i think he likes bitcoin much more than he'll let on [19:48]
mircea_popescu not much of a criterion, that. [19:49]
mircea_popescu so far bitcoin's been helped more by people that hated it [19:49]
mircea_popescu than by those loving it. [19:49]
Mats_cd03 i think its relatively easy to launder bitcoin [19:49]
ThickAsThieves well this is a guy that has an arsenal of red tape and idiocy at his disposal [19:49]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, do you know if i should be using a specific snapshot of crystalspace-2.1? [19:49]
Mats_cd03 certainly not trillions but i could see hundreds of millions being feasible [19:50]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 how exactly do you put the limit ? [19:50]
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mircea_popescu if i can launder a dime i can launder a quadrillion. [19:50]
Mats_cd03 i dont, its arbitrary [19:50]
nubbins` latest stable is 2.0, but ./configure checks for >= 2.1 [19:50]
mircea_popescu just rotate it. [19:50]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker --market mtgox [19:51]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 122.0, Best ask: 123.6, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 121.0, 24 hour volume: 85791.15253635, 24 hour low: 120.69, 24 hour high: 276.24152, 24 hour vwap: 178.66003 [19:51]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you know the thing is in the first bundle [19:52]
nubbins` aha! [19:52]
nubbins` ty [19:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [19:52]
mircea_popescu mp mp. [19:53]
ThickAsThieves lawsky: "I think new, careful regulations, especially related to preventing money laundering, will make banks more comfortable with Bitcoin-related activity over time." [19:53]
nubbins` mircea popescu magic points [19:53]
ThickAsThieves asnwering a diff q [19:53]
mircea_popescu my pleasure [19:53]
nubbins` i know ;( [19:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0625 = 0.125 BTC [-] [19:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07005 = 1.4711 BTC [+] {2} [19:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07000024 = 1.4 BTC [-] [19:57]
benkay mircea_popescu: method of currency my sides [19:58]
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benkay exponential growth; logarithmic leaps! [19:58]
mircea_popescu waitwut [19:59]
jcpham goxfail is an interesting dynamic to follow [20:00]
jcpham either masterful manipulation of throngs of users who expect insolvency [20:01]
jcpham i can't tell which yet [20:01]
nubbins` yeh, interesting times [20:01]
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Mats_cd03 time to buy more btc [20:02]
nubbins` people buy btc? [20:02]
jcpham very interesting to see if it stops and where [20:02]
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ThickAsThieves how is it masterful? [20:02]
ThickAsThieves things that are obvious are not genius or masterful [20:02]
jcpham i've always thought it was gox [20:02]
ThickAsThieves mostly just criminal in this case [20:02]
jcpham and it isn't obviously mtgox doing it is it? [20:03]
ThickAsThieves it is [20:03]
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jcpham proof because i just speculate it [20:03]
jcpham i always have though [20:03]
mircea_popescu that's ok, jcpham just has this insane british passion of arguing for the dead underdog. [20:03]
mircea_popescu it usually fucks him in the ass, but he keeps a stiff upper buttlip and limps on. [20:03]
jcpham unless you guys know of some specific citable proof that mtgox internally is doing this [20:04]
jcpham i still say masterful manipulation on mtgox's part for not being proven to do it yet [20:05]
jcpham txn volume alone [20:05]
mircea_popescu derp. [20:05]
ThickAsThieves occam was never one to smack proof over the head [20:05]
jcpham not the razor! [20:05]
mircea_popescu you know who else isn't proven to be "doing it" yet ? [20:05]
mircea_popescu gbbg or w/e it was called, that thing. [20:05]
mircea_popescu bggb [20:05]
mircea_popescu something. [20:06]
ThickAsThieves bel biv devoe? [20:06]
mircea_popescu some dumbass forum "security" [20:06]
mircea_popescu but when you're done with the derp and are actually ready to look the proof over, try for instance [20:07]
mircea_popescu i dunno how clearer than "we're only executing sell orders if they're over XXX arbitrary value" you can get. [20:07]
ThickAsThieves and this [20:08]
ThickAsThieves we know it wasnt Namworld selling all dem coins [20:09]
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nubbins` haha [20:10]
nubbins` nice graph [20:10]
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Bugpowder [20:11]
ozbot Apocalypse Now - Intro (HD) - YouTube [20:11]
mircea_popescu trilema is now using 3mB/s [20:11]
mircea_popescu what the fuck people ;/ [20:11]
nubbins` your popeuloraty is rising [20:12]
nubbins` (swidt?) [20:12]
mircea_popescu lol popehatness. [20:12]
mircea_popescu i gotta say, ancient wordpress is superbly solid software. [20:13]
mircea_popescu that's a modest server really spitting out all that shit. [20:13]
ThickAsThieves gox gonna break 100 [20:14]
Bugpowder yep [20:14]
Mallstromm double digits here we come [20:14]
Bugpowder makes no sense to me [20:14]
Bugpowder you aren't getting your dollars out either [20:15]
ThickAsThieves you assume it [20:15]
Bugpowder why not have 5x the value [20:15]
ThickAsThieves s not mostly gox [20:15]
nubbins` lelling at the goxbtc-for-realbtc trade in -otc these days [20:15]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder might as well enjoy the trading. [20:15]
mircea_popescu nubbins` is it going well ? [20:15]
nubbins` we won't know until later [20:15]
nubbins` rather, it's going well, we're just not sure who it's going well for [20:15]
dexX7_ almost 3k traded today on, no idea how much went through -otc [20:16]
Bugpowder Any actual lawsuit shutdown payout will probably come up with a market valuation for the BTC and disburse assets accordingly [20:16]
ThickAsThieves in 2016 [20:16]
Bugpowder how can they not have the coins? [20:16]
Bugpowder really [20:16]
ThickAsThieves by then ATC will rule [20:16]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder lolsuit. remember they still owe the bitcoinica btc ? [20:16]
ThickAsThieves really? [20:16]
Bugpowder a hot wallet might have been scooped [20:16]
uglux how much? [20:16]
Bugpowder but not the cold storage [20:16]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder it's all gone. [20:17]
mircea_popescu that's what the "malleability" bs was all about. [20:17]
ThickAsThieves bug they were sending coins more than once [20:17]
mircea_popescu they emptied whatever was left and that's that. [20:17]
Bugpowder not from a cold wallet [20:17]
ThickAsThieves the loss can be as large as their derp [20:17]
mircea_popescu uglux 20k, something. [20:17]
Bugpowder what was the last wallet address they signed from? [20:17]
Mats_cd03 they prob emptied a cold wallet or five before they knee about the bug [20:17]
nubbins` it's a wonder that a gang of weeaboos hasn't violently assaulted karplelelel yet [20:17]
Mats_cd03 knew* [20:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02000264 = 0.12 BTC [-] [20:18]
ThickAsThieves seriously, at this point i wanna beat him down just because [20:18]
kakobrekla the gang is almost doubling every day [20:18]
kakobrekla now at 3 people. [20:18]
ThickAsThieves lo [20:18]
mircea_popescu lol [20:18]
Mats_cd03 hit him with your keyboard [20:18]
mircea_popescu a GANG of weaboos ? this reminds me of the old mp skit about the evil grannies. [20:18]
ThickAsThieves it's a protest bubble! [20:18]
ThickAsThieves "Many bitcoin enthusiasts think that the widespread adoption of some form of cryptocurrency is an inevitability and that unfriendly governments such as China and Russia will ultimately be powerless to stop it. Do you share this view?" [20:19]
ThickAsThieves Lawsky: Hard to put the genie back in the bottle. I can't predict the future but Bitcoin is certainly a new powerful technology that holds a lot of promise for the future if we can mitigate some of the potential negatives like money laundering. [20:20]
nubbins` yeah, i guess it's a bit of a reach that weeaboos could organize in meatspace [20:20]
benkay Mats_cd03: re: cleaning coins: [20:20]
pankkake but bitbets are public [20:21]
benkay mircea_popescu: referring to your link ibm/bitcoin poster and the failure of education [20:21]
benkay u no ams see "private bitbet" pankkake?! [20:21]
mircea_popescu that link was such sad fail. [20:21]
pankkake certes [20:22]
Mallstromm bitbet "war chest" [20:22]
Mallstromm LOL [20:22]
Mallstromm maybe they were referring to Mircea's "milky-white chest" [20:22]
ThickAsThieves but the coins arent even cleaned [20:22]
ThickAsThieves they are just sent back to you, no? [20:22]
ThickAsThieves lol 4600 coins bid at 110.00 [20:23]
dignork ThickAsThieves, coins might be different, but bitbet is useless for hiding, bet wins are returned to the same address, or the one mentioned in initial transfer, so it's easy track [20:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know how Мичурин died btw ? [20:24]
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benkay ThickAsThieves: you can check with mircea_popescu and kakobrekla but i believe you'll be getting older coins than you put int. [20:24]
mircea_popescu dignork how do you reason ? [20:24]
benkay dignork: bet wins are returned to the address of your choice - get it right. [20:24]
ThickAsThieves dignork you can specify a new payout address [20:24]
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Mallstromm lol, only $2M on Gox's order book :D :D :D [20:25]
dignork ThickAsThieves: yes, you can, but return address is posted in the betting transaction [20:25]
ThickAsThieves now if BitBet itself also needs to clean coins, i could see this working out [20:25]
ThickAsThieves :) [20:25]
ThickAsThieves not on private bets [20:26]
uglux gox is a fucking casino now: [20:26]
ThickAsThieves dignork ^ [20:26]
mircea_popescu dignork so what if the address is posted ? [20:26]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if gox will go to single digits [20:26]
mircea_popescu lol it'd be epic if they actually put a dice system in. [20:26]
dignork mircea_popescu, for proper tumbling return address should be passed out of band, reading about private bets now [20:26]
mircea_popescu i do not follow your logic. so address is published. so ? [20:27]
benkay american banks fading in relevance: [20:28]
mircea_popescu chec it out, 1% of snapchat or w/e it was. [20:28]
benkay mircea_popescu dignork: even so, private bets hold addresses...private, keeping third parties from bridging through scraping bitbet [20:29]
kakobrekla omg lolz [20:29]
Bugpowder just-dice is much better for mixing [20:30]
mircea_popescu don't they do the sdice include inputs in outputs ? [20:30]
Bugpowder was better. I'm not sure actually, haven't been following along lately. [20:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] [20:31]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol they do payouts once a day ? suicide. [20:31]
mircea_popescu how many days are there. [20:31]
kakobrekla i dunno just got the link from bug :> [20:31]
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nubbins` lovely responsive design there [20:32]
kakobrekla kinda broked neh? [20:33]
mircea_popescu Morgan Housel @TMFHousel Critics: Mark Zuckerberg understands the value of social networks better than you do. That's why he's Mark Zuckerberg and you're a critic. [20:34]
mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @TMFHousel @EddyElfenbein Thank you Mr. Candide. Pangloss is calling, run along now. [20:34]
nubbins` [20:34]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [20:34]
nubbins` masterful [20:34]
mircea_popescu i'm pasting this here because i'd like at least one person to get it. [20:34]
mircea_popescu and i don't see it happening on twitter... [20:34]
mircea_popescu nubbins` at least it's not titstrap. [20:35]
benkay HAW [20:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00292 = 0.3854 BTC [-] [20:38]
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mircea_popescu [20:39]
ozbot BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014 [20:39]
mircea_popescu holy shit this will burn. [20:39]
mircea_popescu 3:45 atm. ppl gonna make out like bandits. [20:40]
benkay mhm [20:40]
benkay weight's working correctly on that one too. [20:40]
ThickAsThieves i got .1 at 3169 weight, not great, but not bad [20:41]
ThickAsThieves bitbet has .07 at 99999 weight [20:41]
ThickAsThieves hehe [20:41]
mircea_popescu ya bitbet will make what, 1 btc there ? [20:41]
ThickAsThieves yep [20:42]
mircea_popescu course it could just as well go to 3983409583409853098 on the 1st [20:42]
ThickAsThieves indeed [20:43]
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ThickAsThieves kinda surprised bitstamp price is hanging in there [20:44]
ThickAsThieves 575 atm [20:44]
mircea_popescu check out 1994 : [20:45]
mircea_popescu GEORGE: Really? (Jerry shakes his head) Maybe this will become like a cool thing, living with your parents. [20:45]
mircea_popescu JERRY: (sarcastically) Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way. [20:45]
mircea_popescu today is 2014, and needless to say... [20:45]
nubbins` a cool thing [20:46]
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ThickAsThieves this AMA blows [20:50]
ThickAsThieves first one i've ever followed live [20:51]
ThickAsThieves basically it's meaningless words with "but money laundering" weaved in [20:51]
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benkay sounds like typical usg propaganda [20:54]
Bugpowder I stopped the terrorists and created 2.5 million jobs with my bit license [20:54]
Bugpowder Lawsky's stump speech for NY gov 2016 [20:54]
ThickAsThieves is pot legal in NY yet? he can add that to his agenda [20:56]
Bugpowder [20:56]
ozbot Marketplace Payments Startup Balanced Partners With Coinbase And Adds Bitcoin Support | TechCrunch [20:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50996 BTC [-] [20:57]
mircea_popescu he's not running for governor. [20:58]
ThickAsThieves mayor? [20:59]
mircea_popescu i wonder if this ends up in a coinlab-esque trial. [20:59]
mircea_popescu nah they have a commie kid for mayor, he'll stick till the town sinks. [20:59]
Bugpowder ok 2020 USPrez [21:00]
mircea_popescu i think he may be trying for a job in the actual institutions [21:00]
mircea_popescu sec, whatever. [21:00]
ThickAsThieves except he'll just end up cryptolord, cuz no one else will wanna be it [21:01]
mircea_popescu ;;google lansky new york [21:03]
gribble Lansky's Old World Deli - CLOSED - Upper West Side - New York ...: ; Lansky's New York | American, Pasta, Breakfast | Order Online | 235 ...: ; West Side Rag » LANSKY'S DELI CLOSES: [21:03]
benkay cryptolord of NYC [21:03]
benkay i don't want it. [21:03]
mircea_popescu check that out, a closed deli outranks him in ny. [21:03]
benkay and i *like* the place. [21:03]
mircea_popescu i tell you i dun see governor. [21:03]
Bugpowder LAWSKY [21:03]
benkay ;;google lawsky new york [21:03]
gribble Benjamin M. Lawsky - Department of Financial Services - New York ...: ; Benjamin Lawsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ben Lawsky (BenLawsky) on Twitter: [21:03]
mircea_popescu o silly me. [21:04]
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mircea_popescu young guy, anwyay. too soon to say where he ends up. [21:06]
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benkay us young guys - too young to get shitloads of dollars into btc at the right time, doomed to toil for the cryptolords forever. [21:08]
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mircea_popescu the wonders of deflationary currencies. [21:08]
benkay check your privilege, mircea_popescu [21:09]
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pLambert so, when MtGox goes away in a day or two, will the price on the other exchanges go back up to 1000? [21:11]
nubbins` in a day or two, heh [21:11]
nubbins` willing to put some money behind that? [21:11]
pLambert nah, I dont like to bet on idiots [21:12]
benkay but those are the best bets! [21:12]
dignork mircea_popescu, sorry I had to jump offline for a bit, back to the using bitbet as a tumbler, private bets do provide this function, but is not accessible over tor and does not work over https... [21:16]
nubbins` no https! [21:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97375 @ 0.00086765 = 84.4874 BTC [+] {6} [21:18]
Bugpowder Gox is solvent [21:18]
asciilifeform no, gox is solute. [21:18]
Bugpowder we need a new bitbet [21:18]
mircea_popescu dignork why isn't it accessible over tor ?! [21:18]
dignork mircea_popescu: I meant it does not implement hidden service, or at least I couldn't find the interface [21:19]
asciilifeform bitbet is perfectly accessible over tor. but exits can easily substitute in magic addrs instead of the supplied ones. [21:19]
mircea_popescu it doesn't as an onion, no, if that's what you meant [21:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02000263 = 0.26 BTC [-] {2} [21:20]
dignork mircea_popescu: yep, I meant onion addr, the point is to encrypt the traffic, not identity of the player [21:20]
mircea_popescu what's https help anyway ? [21:20]
mircea_popescu i don't think you [21:20]
nubbins` ^ [21:20]
mircea_popescu 're proceeding with a clear understanding of what you wish to achieve [21:20]
mircea_popescu but moreover are trying to do a particular dance. [21:20]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as this is true, and you wish to do "x-tumbler-dance" obviously bitbet won't be a good solution for oyu. [21:21]
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pLambert use bitbet as tumbler: put in small bet on winning side, put in large (to be laundered) bet on the losing side. Voila, instead of having stolen bitcoins you now have gambling winnings. [21:22]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder solvent in the sense of sniffing glue ? [21:22]
nubbins` "i am the solvent" [21:23]
dignork mircea_popescu: I don't care if it's called tumbler, the idea is that person A sends funds to person B in untraceable way. Placing bet over public channel is not so untraceable. [21:24]
mircea_popescu take a bet with a:b odds. place bet A on a going to A', bet B on b going to B'. [21:25]
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mircea_popescu either A or B is "dirtly", the rest are clean. [21:25]
mircea_popescu you are now completely separated. [21:25]
Mallstromm really? [21:26]
dignork mircea_popescu: assuming it's a private bet, placed over clear channel, it's trivially linked [21:26]
Mallstromm are you guys still discussing about the retarded "bitbet as a tumbler" issue? [21:26]
nubbins` but the guy monitoring his non-https traffic is observing him placing these bets [21:27]
Mallstromm like 5 hours later? [21:27]
nubbins` Mallstromm, they took a break [21:27]
nubbins` are you harping on people for having a conversation? [21:27]
nubbins` ;p [21:27]
mircea_popescu dignork maybe trivially doesn't mean what you think it means. [21:27]
dignork if it's a public bet, you're risking odds change [21:27]
mircea_popescu so use small sums. [21:27]
mircea_popescu Mallstromm did you want to contribute something ? [21:27]
Mallstromm yep [21:27]
Mallstromm if you want to tumble your coins, just send them to and follow the procedure [21:28]
nubbins` but i don't trust bitcoinfog [21:28]
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mircea_popescu who is bitcoinfog ? [21:28]
Mallstromm what it's sure is that sending the "tainted" coins from address A to receive them back to address A is just retarded. [21:28]
mircea_popescu How the service works [21:28]
mircea_popescu You register an account on our website [21:28]
mircea_popescu are you retarded ? [21:28]
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Apocalyptic i'm pretty sure they are selectively scamming [21:28]
dignork mircea_popescu: i do not mean script kiddie intercepting plaintext http traffic to bitbet, I mean trivial for law enforcement for example [21:29]
Mallstromm mircea: just a little [21:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101 = 0.202 BTC [-] {2} [21:29]
mircea_popescu dignork doing what dood ? [21:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] [21:29]
mircea_popescu so you lost some money on a bet, and some people won it. [21:29]
mircea_popescu now what. [21:29]
Mallstromm dignork: well, if LE is sniffing your traffic that means they are physically VERY CLOSE to you... Thus you have much bigger problems [21:29]
dignork Mallstromm, I assume LE sniffing bitbet traffic [21:30]
Mallstromm dignork: I've used bitcoinfog many times. It works just fine. They've been in business for more than a year now. It's as safe as it gets. Just do not send hundreds of coins but a few dozens at a time [21:30]
MisterE hah, people are selling off interest in their coins locked up in Cox [21:30]
nubbins` "as safe as it gets" [21:30]
asciilifeform dignork, Mallstromm: if you're using tor, children are sniffing your traffic [21:30]
nubbins` get out [21:30]
asciilifeform and laughing. [21:30]
MisterE sounds like CDF to me [21:30]
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mircea_popescu Mallstromm may i point out that the firm guarantees of nobody are worth nothing ? [21:31]
mircea_popescu get in the wot, come back in a year, i might care. probably i won't, but anywya. [21:31]
nubbins` maybe i'm just being obtuse, but i'm not sure where the confusion is here [21:31]
MisterE but in person [21:31]
MisterE buy* [21:31]
MisterE only tru anon [21:31]
dignork asciilifeform, sure, exit nodes are sniffing, or at least could, so it's a working assumption [21:31]
Mallstromm sure, exit nodes are sniffing my encrypted traffic [21:32]
Mallstromm good for them [21:32]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i'd tell you but i'm trying being polite ot the noobs. [21:32]
asciilifeform sniffing and, if they wish, changing. [21:32]
Mallstromm I'm sure not logging on my personal POP3, non-SSL email account through Tor [21:32]
Mallstromm :D [21:32]
asciilifeform what part of s/bitbetaddr/magicaddr is difficult to understand [21:32]
nubbins` suppose person X's traffic is being sniffed. person X sets up a private bitbet, with input address A and payout address B. sniffer observes this. sniffer now knows that person X controls address B. [21:32]
nubbins` hold my hand here, someone [21:33]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` he knows no such thing. [21:33]
mircea_popescu i can use YOUR b. [21:33]
mircea_popescu i can use bitstamp's b [21:33]
mircea_popescu what now, joejobbing the bitcoin network because we're idiots and we think we can make statements about things we don;'t understand ? [21:34]
nubbins` okay, well, let's not get hung up on "know". fact remains that a direct connection has been made between A and B [21:35]
nubbins` by the sniffer [21:35]
nubbins` this is the essence of dignork's issue [21:35]
mircea_popescu where is this sniffer ? [21:35]
mircea_popescu bitbet side or user side ? [21:36]
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nubbins` who cares [21:36]
dignork mircea_popescu: bitbet side [21:36]
nubbins` both sides [21:36]
asciilifeform given that bitbet pumps out unsigned text, there are no sides here [21:36]
nubbins` suppose he's in a submarine in the middle of the atlantic [21:36]
mircea_popescu i still don't get it. [21:37]
asciilifeform the man in the middle can present arbitrary crap instead of what bitbet pumped out. [21:37]
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mircea_popescu so you ask for an address to bet, and insert an address to receive. [21:37]
mircea_popescu this now creates an association, you say ? [21:38]
asciilifeform (my observation was about plain theft, rather than de-anonymization) [21:38]
nubbins` i do say [21:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is a barb here. bitbet addresses are rather consecutive if you've noticed. [21:39]
asciilifeform so swap out the 'send winnings to' addr [21:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the person can trivially verify this. [21:40]
mircea_popescu send 1 bitcent first [21:40]
asciilifeform while, when bitbet replies, preserve the genuine addr (that user pasted) in the text. [21:40]
mircea_popescu that shows you on the site where it thinks btc is going out. [21:40]
mircea_popescu so you know, if you're worried, do it like that [21:41]
mircea_popescu and you might even catch the rabbit. [21:41]
asciilifeform anyone actually do this? [21:41]
mircea_popescu if they give a shit they can [21:41]
mircea_popescu if they do not they don't have to. [21:41]
mircea_popescu perfect security model. [21:41]
mircea_popescu at any rate this is why bitbet addresses work the way they do on this score. [21:41]
asciilifeform trivial exercise: pump bitcoin addrs through tor (exits), see what comes out on the other end. [21:41]
mircea_popescu surely. [21:42]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so now address A dirty is connected to A', clean [21:43]
mircea_popescu whereas B clean is connected to B; dirty. [21:43]
mircea_popescu a loses, b wins. problem solved. [21:43]
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dignork mircea_popescu: since bet is private, the bet itself is a link between A and B, the fact that bet was established over plaintext makes it not private in general. [21:45]
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mircea_popescu dignork i was discussing open bets. [21:45]
nubbins` i was discussing closed ones :( [21:45]
nubbins` anyway, B isn't clean, the sniffer just watched their suspect tell bitbet to pay out to B [21:46]
mircea_popescu i dunno where this "closed bets as tumblr" thing started, but it's not so clever. [21:46]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you're not paying attention here. [21:46]
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mircea_popescu < [21:46]
dignork mircea_popescu: open bets as tumbler are not usable, since the fee, which contains odds change, is unpredictable [21:47]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [21:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.01950488 = 0.4096 BTC [-] {5} [21:47]
mircea_popescu so pick bets that don't contain odds changes. [21:47]
dignork but they can be flatten on a series of bets, so ok, it can work [21:47]
nubbins` okay, so the person sniffing traffic just watched me provide two addresses, A' and B', to bitbet [21:47]
mircea_popescu why "you" ? [21:48]
nubbins` how is that clean? [21:48]
mircea_popescu it watched user x with a dirty A provide A' [21:48]
nubbins` why not me? anyone [21:48]
mircea_popescu and user y with clean B provide B' [21:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.01930035 = 1.4475 BTC [-] {7} [21:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.01910042 = 0.1146 BTC [-] [21:49]
nubbins` ...oh [21:49]
nubbins` i really wasn't paying attention [21:49]
mircea_popescu no, the word is d'oh. [21:49]
benkay but this thwarts the scammer's desire to launder all their money without having any to begin with. [21:49]
mircea_popescu anyway, this isn't so much an exercise in showing how great bitbet is for this purpose, but moreover on how trivial it is to use any properly designed service as a tumbler, [21:50]
nubbins` the omission of x vs y in the original statement threw me for a loop [21:50]
mircea_popescu and generally how retarded this "taint" bullshit is. [21:50]
mircea_popescu there's no taint in bitcoin. [21:50]
mircea_popescu thinking otherwise is right out of the book with the flat earth, the perpetuum mobile, the keynesian economics and so on and so forth. [21:51]
mircea_popescu mechanical rng, generally the states of sin. [21:51]
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mircea_popescu who the fuck in his right mind would imagine that a) tor actually serves your anonimity or b) in order to anonimize you create accounts is beyond me. [21:52]
mircea_popescu seriously, what is wrong with people. [21:52]
benkay fiat thinking takes some time to disloge [21:52]
Namworld create accounts? [21:53]
mircea_popescu i guess, but srsly... [21:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall your piece on professional cattle management industry? [21:53]
mircea_popescu Namworld some derpy service, whatever. [21:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i guess I HAVE TO RECALL IT [21:53]
mircea_popescu may i live to forget it. [21:53]
asciilifeform just as every NYT turd is guaranteed to mention 'mtgox, the premier exchange,...' whenever it runs a piece on btc [21:53]
asciilifeform it is just as mandatory to mention 'tor, anonymity...' [21:53]
mircea_popescu "tor, anonimity, accounts" [21:54]
mircea_popescu ;;google "partidul, ceausescu, romania" [21:54]
gribble Partidul Ceausescu Romania !.flv - YouTube: ; Partidul, Ceausescu, Romania - YouTube: ; Partidul Ceausescu Romania - YouTube: [21:54]
asciilifeform nobody cancelled herr goebbels, marketing genius [21:54]
dignork mircea_popescu: what's wrong with tor providing anonimity? I understand it's not absolute, but still better than nothing, and cheap. [21:54]
asciilifeform 'repeat lie' [21:54]
mircea_popescu dignork i think the answer is contained in your question. [21:54]
dignork mircea_popescu: even lame proxies/vpns provide SOME level of anonimity, the fact that they're obviously not absolute does not make them useless. [21:56]
mircea_popescu dignork listen here, if you're trying to not be caught cutting school, going to the bar across the street where kids cutting school go isn't your best bet. [21:56]
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asciilifeform the creation of the most humble lamer is still an improvement over a professionally-designed honeypot. [21:56]
mircea_popescu even if they have these funky hats that sort-of make you invisibly unrecognisable. [21:56]
asciilifeform if only because it creates no illusions [21:56]
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asciilifeform u.s. media is almost a magical oracle of what not do to [21:58]
asciilifeform if the puppetmasters were clever, they'd occasionally let something useful and intelligent be printed [21:58]
asciilifeform just to mask this fact [21:58]
mircea_popescu what, to be just like the soviets ? [21:58]
mircea_popescu some progress, please. [21:58]
asciilifeform haha [21:58]
dignork mircea_popescu: ok, you suggest that mere fact of using tor, singles you. Since Snowden-induced paranoia this might not be a case anymore. [21:59]
mircea_popescu [21:59]
ozbot Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:59]
mircea_popescu see there. [21:59]
asciilifeform the sheer naivete. do we have to draw a picture here? [21:59]
mircea_popescu Mallstromm i hope you're taking notes. [22:00]
asciilifeform how long does it take to write a perlturd that tells a planted box which other units in a cage are pumping tor? [22:00]
asciilifeform 10 minutes? [22:00]
asciilifeform then disks pulled, and the obvious endgame. [22:00]
davout why is there no "hitler has coins on gox" video yet [22:02]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone actually pulls disks anymore do they ? [22:02]
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mod6 davout: srsly. [22:02]
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davout i'm out, this internet sux [22:03]
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mircea_popescu see you in boxxy [22:03]
Apocalyptic " actually, I think right now the entire mtgox issue is pretty relevant to bitcoin as a whole" [22:03]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic tell him to read moar trilema and stfu ? [22:04]
Apocalyptic why on earth would that be relevant ? [22:04]
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dignork asciilifeform: pulled disk etc. This is a directed attack. I can imagine this picture, patyvans travels all over us,chaina,w/e and pull disks from all tor users. Srsly? [22:04]
Apocalyptic #bitcoin is turning reddit [22:04]
mircea_popescu a) you don't need all ; b) nobody actually pulls disks anymore. [22:05]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, probably wouldn't be able to appreciate what trilema has to offer [22:05]
mircea_popescu gotta give people a chance. [22:05]
dignork mircea_popescu: I read trilema, like your writing style and general mindset, it just doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you say [22:08]
mircea_popescu absolutely not. [22:08]
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Mallstromm sure, using Tor singles you out. But if you use it correctly that's all they know - that you are using Tor. [22:15]
Mallstromm Of course using Tor on Windoze or OS X is just retarded [22:15]
Mallstromm probably modern Windoze and OSX are pumping all the data of somebody using Tor on that systems [22:16]
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Mallstromm but on a custom linux distro is pretty safe. [22:16]
Mallstromm and now seriously: where is Vladimir? We need him to make a "hitler discover his coins are stuck on Gox". [22:17]
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jayk mtgox is really kicking themselves, now they relocated offices [22:19]
kakobrekla physical security mebbe [22:19]
kakobrekla protesters almost double daily dont ya know [22:19]
jayk with it being so low, once the exchanges resume, i wonder if people will cash out or just let it ride till it climbs back up [22:20]
jayk with mtgox, do they hold your coins? [22:20]
kakobrekla [22:20]
kakobrekla lmao [22:20]
kakobrekla [22:21]
kakobrekla i dunno whats with the middle guys face, the jacket cleary says "THE NORTH FACE" [22:22]
kakobrekla defeats the mask wearing purpose [22:22]
jayk lol [22:22]
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Mallstromm :D [22:24]
Mallstromm lol they seem 3 homeless [22:24]
kakobrekla they prolly are by now [22:24]
kakobrekla i dunno i just find the lappys funny on a protest [22:24]
kakobrekla "where is our money?" " oh well, imma gonna play some games now." [22:24]
mike_c they aren't playing games, they are day trading on gox [22:25]
kakobrekla is there a difference? [22:25]
lnovy graphics sucks at mtgox [22:25]
kakobrekla gotta preserve dat batter power [22:25]
lnovy but gameplay is awesome :) [22:25]
kakobrekla battery [22:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0627 = 0.1254 BTC [+] [22:27]
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ThickAsThieves ha lawsky replied to my ergonomic advice [22:33]
ThickAsThieves [22:33]
mircea_popescu did he tip you ? [22:34]
ThickAsThieves nope, but reddit says i can add it to my resume [22:35]
Bugpowder that part was funny [22:36]
Apocalyptic ^ [22:36]
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kakobrekla so, anything good inthere? [22:38]
ThickAsThieves nope [22:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.01910042 = 0.4011 BTC [-] [22:43]
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benkay !t h rent [22:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (516 shares, 2.83800000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5193 shares, 28.56150000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (34696 shares, 190.82800000 BTC) [22:44]
benkay rentalstarter seems to be in sales rate decay mode [22:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [+] [22:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2500 @ 0.00076 = 1.9 BTC [-] [22:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00086683 = 10.9221 BTC [-] [22:51]
TwinWinNerD What do you guys think is a fair pricing for GoxCoins right now? [22:53]
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kakobrekla davout was rite. [22:54]
davout wat [22:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087009 = 1.7402 BTC [+] [22:57]
ThickAsThieves 0.0 is fair price [22:57]
Namworld The only thing I regret is moving funds out of MtGox before the issues. [22:58]
ThickAsThieves thatll go away [22:58]
Namworld People are buying gox BTC for 40%-60% in BTC. [22:58]
Namworld ;;premium bitstamp mtgox [22:59]
Apocalyptic Namworld, much lower now [22:59]
davout kakobrekla: log isn't very informative [22:59]
Bugpowder Apocalyptic: NOPE [22:59]
Namworld I still see people offering 40% at a minimum. [22:59]
Bugpowder 0.5 BTC is the current bid [22:59]
Bugpowder [22:59]
Apocalyptic I saw a trade at 35% [22:59]
Namworld While we can buy BTC for 20% of price at other exchanges. [22:59]
Bugpowder it bounced [22:59]
kakobrekla davout i was agreeing on you re internet sucks after i saw TwinWinNerDs line. [23:00]
ThickAsThieves that book barely moves [23:00]
Bugpowder that dude that wired $50k in is gonna do well. [23:00]
davout kakobrekla: oic [23:00]
Bugpowder 450 coins for $50k sheet. [23:00]
davout BingoBoingo: chess? [23:00]
Bugpowder wish I had account. [23:01]
Apocalyptic Bugpowder, do you believe gox is solvent ? [23:01]
Bugpowder sure [23:01]
Bugpowder how they fuck could they get the cold wallets drained. It's not plausible [23:01]
ThickAsThieves so what's the prediction for the next gox announcement? [23:01]
Namworld Even if they aren't. You can sell those 450 goxBTC for 180 BTC or 100k+ [23:01]
kakobrekla buy all the coins then [23:01]
Bugpowder them being incompetent at rolling out a code fix and terrible at communication is. [23:01]
Bugpowder I have no account tho [23:02]
davout Bugpowder: you get the cold wallets drained by having your accounting fucked with. plain and simple [23:02]
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Bugpowder Doesn't pass the common sense test [23:03]
Namworld Either way, right now having fiat on gox allows to buy 2x the BTC you'd get at other exchanges. [23:03]
benkay ^^ [23:03]
kakobrekla its more like 5x [23:03]
Namworld By reselling your gox BTC [23:03]
davout Bugpowder: what do you mean the common sense test? [23:03]
benkay "BTC" [23:03]
Namworld I mean if you sell it for actual, guaranteed BTC [23:04]
Namworld x2 [23:04]
Namworld otherwise, x5 [23:04]
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kakobrekla davout i think he is trying to imply tux has one [23:04]
ThickAsThieves next theyll probly say authorities are investigating the malleability exploiters, so many funds and accounts are frozen until resolution [23:04]
ThickAsThieves dont worry your coins are safe [23:05]
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ThickAsThieves freenode has a cold [23:05]
Bugpowder The test where you are like... Hey my accounting says I need to pay out 100,000BTC from the wallet and oh hey we have been manually resending 100,000BTC in transactions... And oh hey people have been telling us for months that our specific implementation is vulnerable to a malleability attack... I wonder if something is funky [23:05]
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Bugpowder There were that many malled txns prior to 2/10 to begin with. Certainly not enough to drain the cold storage [23:06]
ThickAsThieves well if you are implying they noticed long ago, why did they not fix it? [23:06]
Bugpowder were NOT [23:06]
ThickAsThieves why did it escalate before being acknowledged [23:06]
Bugpowder I'm not implying [23:06]
kakobrekla its no point discussing, take your positions if you can, and wait it out [23:06]
Bugpowder It is a known fact that many devs told them their method was vulnerable [23:07]
mircea_popescu how they fuck could they get the cold wallets drained. It's not plausible << what exactly is not plausible about it ? [23:07]
Bugpowder At least according to aantop's latest podcast [23:07]
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ThickAsThieves There were that many malled txns prior to 2/10 to begin with. Certainly not enough to drain the cold storage ... source? [23:07]
ThickAsThieves i recall linking charts for at least a week or two before [23:07]
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ThickAsThieves showing escalating frozen wd's [23:08]
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Apocalyptic so do I [23:08]
Bugpowder yeah, that's all I saw too [23:08]
Apocalyptic Bugpowder, common sense would indicate you exactly otherwise [23:08]
Bugpowder I just don't think its plausible for them to be that stupid [23:08]
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Bugpowder but I guess the market thinks differently [23:08]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder wait, you are actually buying the "malleable tx" bs ?!~ [23:08]
Bugpowder I think they lost 10k BTC tops [23:09]
ThickAsThieves At least according to aantop's latest podcast /// what makes him reputable? [23:09]
mircea_popescu dude. [23:09]
Bugpowder for MtGox yes [23:09]
mircea_popescu THEY STOLE IT. [23:09]
mircea_popescu they did not lose anything. [23:09]
Bugpowder SR2 stole it [23:09]
mircea_popescu sigh. [23:09]
Apocalyptic Bugpowder seems like another sturles, mtgox diehard fan [23:09]
mircea_popescu looky : tux made the "malleable tx" [23:09]
mircea_popescu it's not any third party. [23:09]
ThickAsThieves Bugpowder why is an arbitrary amount like 10k reasonable, but not much more? [23:09]
Apocalyptic but I may be wrong [23:09]
ThickAsThieves pulling number out ass? [23:09]
mircea_popescu it's just the perfect smoke cover, because people suffer from some sort of very particular brain issue. [23:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48001001 BTC [-] [23:09]
Bugpowder If the hypothesis is that mtgox actively embezzled funds... Well that is a possibility. [23:10]
mircea_popescu sigh [23:10]
jborkl watcging the youtube video of the guy camping and confronting Karpeles, they stole it [23:10]
jborkl watching [23:10]
Bugpowder But that doesn't make sense. Police care about this shit now [23:10]
mircea_popescu o right. [23:10]
ThickAsThieves i assume gox committed every crime possible in regards to exploiting their system [23:10]
Bugpowder He will go to jail [23:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00460227 = 0.4786 BTC [-] {2} [23:10]
mircea_popescu this is a perfect argument. [23:10]
mircea_popescu a guy who has been runing fractional reserve since ~2011, and who has lied on paperwork submitted [23:11]
mircea_popescu was NOT going to jail before [23:11]
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jborkl and I read the report about the txn problems, someone did a blockchain analysis of the Push_whatever attack- the attack started 2 days after Gox got hit [23:11]
mircea_popescu and stealing the wallets is totally unreasonable, because he's going to jail. [23:11]
mircea_popescu you need a thinking hat. [23:11]
Bugpowder He is going to much more jail if he straight plundered it all. [23:11]
mircea_popescu derp. [23:11]
mircea_popescu he was going to jail anyway. [23:11]
ThickAsThieves to hell with him! [23:11]
mircea_popescu he didn't have the bitcoinica funds to pay back. [23:12]
jborkl That is the proof in the report, it showed there were no malformed txn even reported on the day Gox said [23:12]
jborkl let me find it [23:12]
Bugpowder show us the data please! [23:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48001 BTC [-] [23:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00460227 = 0.4602 BTC [-] {2} [23:12]
Namworld MtGox reeks of manipulation, purposeful fails and etc. [23:13]
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Namworld No problem stealing your own business under the eyes of authorities. Right in front of them. [23:13]
the20year2 New rentalstarter update - We have preliminary acceptance by seller on the 3 unit property. 3 units at $67k [23:13]
Namworld Done properly, no evidence. It's quite possible. [23:13]
mike_c MPOE market maker uptime since Jan 3: [23:14]
ThickAsThieves i bet it could be forensicly proven gox is manipulating [23:14]
Namworld At a minimum, they manipulate price for a profit. [23:14]
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mircea_popescu mike_c why the pikes ? [23:14]
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mike_c little blips of up/down time i guess. [23:15]
Namworld How? Mark can just claim he had to do all these haltings because of issues. [23:15]
ThickAsThieves mike_c, plot it against price [23:15]
mike_c price of what? [23:15]
ThickAsThieves the index it uses [23:15]
benkay actually plot it against implied vol [23:15]
mircea_popescu mike_c so either 0 or 1 ? [23:15]
Namworld How would one prove that's not the case? [23:15]
mike_c yah, 0 is down, 1 is up [23:15]
benkay IMPLIED VOL [23:15]
jborkl Those are not BTC being traded anyway, they are Gox coins until they prove they have the reserve to back it [23:16]
mircea_popescu no way tho, you mean it was down pretty much solid 8 to 10 jan ? [23:16]
ThickAsThieves namworld, by analyzing and auditing book behavior [23:16]
mike_c yeah, seem nuts? i can check data. [23:16]
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mircea_popescu it does seem nuts. [23:16]
mircea_popescu also definitely was quoting on the 1st of feb [23:17]
mike_c kk, disregard, i did some spot checking on downtimes but maybe not enough. i'll verify. [23:17]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio_ [23:18]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio_ [23:18]
Namworld TaT, how would that help? I didn't say manipulate through fake orders. Just through haltings, bad news, etc. [23:18]
mircea_popescu mike_c is this based on like 1 sampling/day ? [23:18]
mike_c polling every 2 minutes [23:18]
mircea_popescu so then why 1/0 ? [23:18]
mike_c the graph has a 2 minute resolution [23:18]
mircea_popescu from that graph it either was down an entire day or up an entire day or some shit [23:18]
mike_c no, not all the pikes are on tick marks [23:19]
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mircea_popescu mike_c it can't possibly have 2 min resolution seeing how you have what, 20 pixels in each day [23:19]
mircea_popescu and a day is longer than 40 minutes [23:19]
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ThickAsThieves namworld you lost me, i'll i'm saying is i bet if the right people spend the right amount of time looking at orders placed and filled, you'd see gox tzking everyone for a ride [23:19]
davout mircea_popescu: not for french civil servants [23:20]
mircea_popescu lol [23:20]
Namworld Perhaps [23:20]
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mike_c the data has a 2 minute resolution. the graph is obv. somewhat less, but it is taken from that data. [23:20]
mircea_popescu so then shouldn't i be seeing averaging ? [23:20]
mircea_popescu and consequently, values other than 1 and 0 ? [23:20]
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mike_c no, it's not bucketed. [23:21]
mike_c if you zoomed in on the graph (not the png), you would get to 2 minute resolution [23:21]
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mircea_popescu look, bucketed or not, this can't be that. [23:21]
mircea_popescu hm [23:21]
mike_c ok, first off, let me make sure the down/up is accurate in january. [23:21]
mike_c brb [23:21]
mircea_popescu i'm off for now, but we continue this tomorro. [23:22]
mike_c ok [23:22]
jborkl One puzzle is that Mt.Gox announced their difficulties on Feb 7, and then explained Feb 10 that they were stopping withdrawals due to a malleability attack. Since the OP_PUSHDATA2 attack didn't start until Feb 9, this attack can't be responsible for the Feb 7 problems. One possibility is there was a different type of malleability attack that affected Mt.Gox. It would be interesting to get the hash [23:22]
jborkl for one of the affected transactions from before Feb 7, to see what was going on. [23:22]
jborkl now let me find the data that was posted [23:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.05656291 = 1.3575 BTC [-] {6} [23:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12896 @ 0.00087011 = 11.2209 BTC [+] {2} [23:29]
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Bugpowder At first glance, this does not seem encouraging. [23:30]
Bugpowder [23:30]
ozbot Bitcoin Address 1LNWw6yCxkUmkhArb2Nf2MPw6vG7u5WG7q [23:30]
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