Forum logs for 21 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[06:21]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[06:21]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[06:21]
decimation	heh yeah it wouldn't be hard to build	[06:21]
decimation	I wouldn't mind if it were battery-powered	[06:21]
Vexual	powdercoated steel	[06:22]
Bugpowder	mircea_popescu is back!	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	heya.	[06:22]
Vexual	hey mircea	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	what disaster happened ?	[06:22]
Bugpowder	I have taken the gospel and spread fear in the hearts of men	[06:22]
Bugpowder	#mtgox chat has been muted indefinitely	[06:22]
decimation	ozbot is apparently dead	[06:22]
Vexual	the dude from gox is fat and im on my third bottle of whisky	[06:22]
Bugpowder	channel	[06:22]
Bugpowder	not chat	[06:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4428 @ 0.00087031 = 3.8537 BTC [+]	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	mike_c that looks less dumbfoundingly no fucking way-ish. i ordered some data extracted i'll have something in a little	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	once i get to that email or w/e.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder all hail.	[06:23]
Bugpowder	I watched the pie video two more times and I just can't imagine Tux being evil. So much passion for pie.	[06:23]
Bugpowder	Maybe I am seduced by the french language	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	maybe you're seduced by fatties.	[06:24]
Vexual	i know kaluah when i see it	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	what, srsly, passionate people can't lie ? what's this.	[06:24]
decimation	is that guy still camping outside of mtgox's building in tokyo?	[06:24]
mike_c	less dumbfoundingly stupid? :D assets is so affirming	[06:24]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio_	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	mike_c check yo privilege man.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	at least you're here.	[06:24]
mike_c	hehe. just teasing.	[06:25]
Vexual	theyre moving to paris so they an toss insolent brits into the river	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	decimation whay wouldn't he, you know ?	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	i mean, he'd be camping somewhere else if not there, not like he has a house or anything.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	middle class folks looking through the press always imagine that the protesters are you know, like them. house and two cars.	[06:26]
Vexual	nor coin with witch to pay for a roof	[06:26]
decimation	there are probably many actual bums who would be happy to protest for a few coins	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	how do you think obama clinched the elections ?	[06:26]
decimation	Karpales should be arrested by the UN for being a fat fuck	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	#occupy-bumstreet	[06:27]
decimation	busin' bums from the 'hood	[06:27]
Vexual	dont ill have another hernia	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	Vexual i hear Hernia's pretty hawt.	[06:27]
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Vexual	seriously, don't make me laugh too much or ill have to pay some faggot surgeon tho render me unconcious and tke a knife to my nether regions	[06:29]
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decimation	mircea, I liked your nigger story on trilema, but I was confused about the link on your second footnote - do you mean Yarvin's article posted Sep 2013?	[06:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 257 @ 0.00303966 = 0.7812 BTC [+] {2}	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	decimation yes, i do.	[06:30]
decimation	okay that makes sense then	[06:31]
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mircea_popescu	a rare day when what you thought mp meant is what mp actually meant.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	lets celebrate!	[06:31]
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decimation	heh. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mr. Yarvin reads your blog	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	it wouldn't hurt him if he did.	[06:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1819 BTC [-]	[06:32]
decimation	his early stuff was good, especially on the structure of power in the us and economics	[06:32]
decimation	low SNR though	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	anyway, kids about his age in romania used to do this all the time.	[06:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 935 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1871 BTC [-]	[06:33]
decimation	skim stuff from idea makers?	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	i know the general opinion is that omg copying is bad or w/e, but i don't hold it. any painter worth a shit was made by copying the old masters in his own hand. it's how you become a good writer, rewrite fucking hemingway	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	or whover you like.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	decimation the idea isn't to "skim stuff" and try to pass it as your own. the idea is this :	[06:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3050 @ 0.00020108 = 0.6133 BTC [+] {2}	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	suppose a guy who is older than you, and better than you, and smarter and more connected and cultivated and powerful than you has a number of slaves, among which this absolutely breathtakingly stunning young lady.	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	now, stealing her and trying to get her dressed is the best exercise a young boy could possibly attempt.	[06:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07000003 = 1.05 BTC [-]	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	because, turns out, keeping teh girl content is not exactly trivial. it seemed trivial back when the other guy was doing it, but it is not in fact trivial.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	this is much better than derping about "privilege"	[06:35]
Vexual	rum diaries?	[06:35]
decimation	yeah, being a good master (husband, employer, etc) is hardass thankless work	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	it's not thankless.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	i get thanked on hands and knees on regular basis.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	this is how socialism starts : by encouraging the slaves to not be expressively thankful.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	it all proceeds from there.	[06:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00305 = 0.2318 BTC [+]	[06:37]
decimation	This is how the us has become ungovernable	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	quite possibly.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	i mean, take the notion of censorship. you consider it unbearable to be told to shut the fuck up, keep your bitching to yourself and disperse right now. but... you DO keep your thanking to yourself as a matter of course, as if it's ordained from on high.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	not like you go to the boss and say, hey, it just dawned on me, you're so much smarter than me. thank you for taking the time to be my boss.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	and if anyone else does, whay! THAT ASSHOLE! THAT BROWNNOSE.	[06:38]
Vexual	i vote 2	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	well... in this context censorship is merely the enforcing of the obligation of coherence.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	suddenly you have a society in which censorship is not at all absurd, but quite logically sound and flowing from what the people do.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	this sucks.	[06:39]
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mircea_popescu	(and obviously i mean nothing personal by "you")	[06:39]
B007	the boss is not always smarter	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	so then tell him.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	obviously he's not always smarter.	[06:40]
Vexual	same as ungovernable	[06:41]
B007	but what if you want to keep the job	[06:41]
Vexual	its not a thing	[06:41]
decimation	so the boss has a right to ensure the slaves are in order	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	you don't want to keep the job where he a) isn't smarter and b) can't cope.	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	decimation more like, it's your duty to live in a sane world.	[06:41]
decimation	in the case where you are in an insane job situation, for example, it would be your duty to leave	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	indeed it would.	[06:42]
decimation	so the position of master cannot be granted by fiat	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	B007 of interest re the boss being smarter always or not, see the mp 50-50 rule, too.	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	decimation yes it can. be your fiat.	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	and it should be, because just like with the poker table : if you live with no masters it just means you're an idiot.	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	s/be your/by your/	[06:45]
Vexual	thats some heavy fucking popescuism	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	yeah, only about 3k years old.	[06:46]
Vexual	i was just gonna say i feel like i should be sitting by a campfire 10k yrs ago	[06:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 980 @ 0.0002 = 0.196 BTC [-]	[06:47]
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B007	:%s/be your/by your/g	[06:49]
Duffer1	i'm at a total loss, what could possible prevent me from uploading images to imgur or photobucket or tinypic..	[06:49]
decimation	it is my experience that there is always someone greater	[06:49]
Duffer1	possibly*	[06:49]
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B007	Duffer1: whats wrong?	[06:49]
Duffer1	i get an error message whenever i try to upload a pic to imgur	[06:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00087322 = 33.7063 BTC [+] {5}	[06:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 709 @ 0.00292987 = 2.0773 BTC [-] {11}	[06:50]
Duffer1	not just imgur but any of those sites, regardless of browser	[06:50]
B007	what error	[06:50]
Vexual	decimation: i find that when i try to trade	[06:50]
Duffer1	unknown just says an error occured	[06:50]
B007	unreliable internet?	[06:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1939 @ 0.00082945 = 1.6083 BTC [-] {17}	[06:51]
dub	sniff dem packets	[06:51]
B007	ya	[06:51]
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Vexual	what are you uploading duffer?	[06:52]
Duffer1	pics of one of my boats for stringpuller	[06:52]
Vexual	one of your boats? how many do you have?	[06:53]
Duffer1	a few	[06:53]
Duffer1	they're models	[06:53]
Vexual	tiikoni.com/tis	[06:53]
dub	he got mad yachts	[06:54]
Vexual	are you watching black sails?	[06:56]
Vexual	as a prequal to treasure island it's disappointing	[06:56]
Duffer1	hey it worked http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd	[06:56]
Duffer1	how does that work first try but none of the others do.. fml	[06:56]
Vexual	ok now i feel jealousy, do yo u sell them?	[06:57]
Vexual	is taht real copper?	[06:57]
Duffer1	yea copper hull	[06:57]
Duffer1	there's no market for em, it's my hobby	[06:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00299999 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2}	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 the grandeur of javascript.	[06:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00299999 = 0.111 BTC [+]	[06:59]
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Duffer1	reinstall java maybe?	[07:01]
Vexual	delete java	[07:02]
B007	i like writing java exploits	[07:05]
B007	so much fun	[07:05]
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Vexual	are the spars painted plastic?	[07:07]
Duffer1	it's all wood and string and copper	[07:08]
Vexual	whats it worth?	[07:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08699999 = 0.174 BTC [+]	[07:08]
Vexual	those hooks should be lashed	[07:09]
Duffer1	;;later tell thestringpuller must be java problem http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d767b59 http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=57922df http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d41c734	[07:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:09]
Duffer1	lies what hooks?	[07:09]
Vexual	abaft the ratlines	[07:10]
Duffer1	you can get a finished one on ebay i'm sure dirt cheap	[07:10]
Vexual	not with a copper hull	[07:10]
Vexual	put aleanor gibbens on the deck and we'll talk coin	[07:12]
Duffer1	ha	[07:12]
Duffer1	i'm pretty sure the hooks are period correct	[07:12]
MisterE	when will we test 500 already?!?!	[07:12]
MisterE	today for sure	[07:13]
KRS-One	second hand word from ne0futur is that mtgox was hacked...anyone?	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	KRS-One that scammer is still talking in public ?	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	fascinating.	[07:16]
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MisterE	I doubt even the people in Gox know wtf is going on let alone outsiders	[07:19]
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KRS-One	Yes, supposedly. I got that info from someone else.	[07:21]
KRS-One	i just joined the chan where is talking #mtgox-chat	[07:21]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Z9AuT9g5k	[07:22]
KRS-One	http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mtgox-protest	[07:22]
KRS-One	live feed from mtgox hq	[07:22]
Vexual	fuck 13 k viewers	[07:23]
kakobrekla	lol that guy "we knew mtgox is idiots"	[07:23]
kakobrekla	then why the fuck did you have money there	[07:23]
Vexual	nneds more stippers	[07:23]
Vexual	can we get btc girls in tokyo?	[07:24]
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decimation	needs more bums too. I bet most bums in Japan are too polite to be much use here though	[07:25]
cazalla	even if they had my coins, i wouldn't sit out there all day	[07:25]
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Vexual	roastu ducku tabemashteka?	[07:25]
Vexual	me neither, id send an email	[07:26]
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Vexual	shall i traslate?	[07:26]
KRS-One	need moar young japanese hello kitty girls	[07:26]
KRS-One	.bait	[07:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]	[07:27]
Vexual	ozbot asleep	[07:27]
decimation	the irony of this whole affair is that while various us states are contemplating idiotic bitcoin regulation, actual bitcoin villians are scamming funds from us citizens	[07:28]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wa95CvhESQ	[07:29]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADo6wawOUFo	[07:33]
decimation	such poor editing	[07:34]
Vexual	its a lime stream	[07:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.485 = 3.395 BTC [+]	[07:35]
Vexual	hey its a mac, AusBitBank should go and steal it!	[07:35]
decimation	no I mean your japanese music videos	[07:35]
Vexual	yeah	[07:35]
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Vexual	lol	[07:35]
Vexual	sup AusBitBank?	[07:35]
AusBitBank	nothin much .. what am I stealing now ? reads backlog	[07:36]
Vexual	nothing i know of	[07:36]
Vexual	unless you're affiliated with gox these dyas? :)	[07:37]
AusBitBank	lol nah I cut ties with that trainwreck long ago	[07:37]
decimation	lol all the sad sacks whining on the ustream	[07:37]
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decimation	I sold my house and gave the proceeds to Karapales why oh why	[07:38]
Vexual	its all good in the neighbourhood mano	[07:39]
Vexual	i kinda wish i had an account	[07:40]
decimation	just so you can watch the trainwreck?	[07:40]
Vexual	yeah	[07:41]
Vexual	bitcoinity should aution gifspace	[07:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]	[07:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00086793 = 37.8417 BTC [-] {2}	[07:43]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM	[07:51]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcywAE1pTk	[07:53]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YbGN1BMSLc	[07:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.06200001 = 0.992 BTC [-] {2}	[08:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC	[08:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1024 = 0.3072 BTC [+] {2}	[08:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-]	[08:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]	[08:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00086861 = 4.9511 BTC [+]	[08:09]
Vexual	KRS-One that stream would be a lot more interesting with godzilla	[08:10]
Vexual	did they move to shibuya?	[08:12]
Vexual	can we get these guys on chan?	[08:13]
Vexual	ill buy em a pizza	[08:13]
Luke-Jr	>_< that SubsidyAlgo patch broke it	[08:13]
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Vexual	oh	[08:16]
Vexual	does dhl fly there?	[08:17]
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Vexual	what journalist?	[08:18]
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Duffer1	i keep checking log to see if you're talking to someone i have on ignore..	[08:22]
Vexual	me?	[08:22]
Duffer1	ya lol	[08:22]
Vexual	luke was ere, is he ignore?	[08:22]
Duffer1	nope	[08:23]
Vexual	im just talking to myself	[08:23]
Duffer1	<3	[08:23]
Vexual	>_<	[08:23]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quy2RhefKT0	[08:27]
Vexual	dhl!	[08:28]
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greenspan_fan	and the marketplace deliver: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/	[08:30]
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greenspan_fan	(don't know if anyone has already mentioned it)	[08:30]
Vexual	tre market	[08:31]
greenspan_fan	or, if you prefer, technical people looking to profit off of technical incompetence	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	required reading, as they say.	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	Luke-Jr say wut ?	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan yeah we had a lol yest.	[08:35]
greenspan_fan	idk if it's completely fungible; you can analyze the blockchain, right? and idk if there's a mixer that you can trust.	[08:36]
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kakobrekla	Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.	[08:37]
kakobrekla	You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com .	[08:37]
kakobrekla	ok so this is the new ban model	[08:37]
Vexual	you're always benned	[08:37]
kakobrekla	yeah well ill ban them back if they come here!!11	[08:37]
Vexual	excellent	[08:38]
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greenspan_fan	like I mean, once you have a certain amount of information about the users inferences between two addresses becomes much more accurate	[08:38]
greenspan_fan	what would you do if people started leaning on you for data on your customers?	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan nope, you can't "analyze" the blockchain,	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	you can just think you can.	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hardly worth the attention now are they.	[08:40]
Vexual	i lik ethis gox,bum, just trading	[08:40]
Vexual	stop asking feckin stoopid questiuns	[08:41]
kakobrekla	anyone with half a brain is not there.	[08:41]
Vexual	yeah well i dont have a pssport	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	hes just trying to get a bitcent or w/e it is.	[08:41]
Vexual	32ksterling	[08:42]
Vexual	oim fookin ruined!	[08:43]
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mircea_popescu	https://blog.blockchain.info/	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	check out the derpage seriously.	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	bluehost ?	[08:48]
Vexual	derpage be in the feed	[08:48]
Vexual	how much yen u lost? whoa i cant count	[08:49]
kakobrekla	but can you cunt?	[08:49]
Vexual	you dont even know kano :)(	[08:50]
Vexual	im surely feeling a fiddle coming on	[08:50]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0	[08:52]
greenspan_fan	I was hoping for a link with more fiddle	[08:53]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xmg0uVsPpk	[08:54]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Congratulations on defending the slander of your soul from the indignity of being allowed on Bitcointalk	[08:55]
kakobrekla	thank you!	[08:56]
kakobrekla	i would drink some voda and instant coffee to toast if i had some	[08:56]
kakobrekla	vodka	[08:56]
benkay	amazing concontion	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	got potatoes ?	[08:57]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[08:57]
benkay	cuntcocktion	[08:57]
kakobrekla	i got potatoes, i love potatoes, i dont hav etime	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	so if you don't have time, have a potato.	[08:59]
benkay	potahto	[08:59]
Vexual	no more whisky no more gin	[08:59]
Vexual	its vodka dribbling down my svchin	[09:00]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g&feature=kp	[09:00]
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kakobrekla	raw potato will make my time even shorter	[09:00]
benkay	this is disappointing: https://blockchain.info/address/13iGD7nu6kXTtPS9DxKhY4gJdgchvdXJFH	[09:00]
Duffer1	?	[09:01]
kakobrekla	is that gox cold storage?	[09:01]
Duffer1	ha	[09:01]
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benkay	http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	This exceptionally cold and snowy winter has shown that government climate scientists were dead wrong when it came to predicting just how cold this winter would be, while the 197-year old Farmers’ Almanac predicted this winter would be “bitterly cold”.	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	moar farmer's almanac.	[09:04]
benkay	i'm going to go ahead and guess they're both kinda just stochastically wrong	[09:05]
greenspan_fan	stochastically? climate science makes bad predictions due to overfitting	[09:05]
greenspan_fan	"With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk" -- Abraham Lincoln	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	actually i'm with greenspan_fan here.	[09:06]
benkay	wrong with a beautifully normal distribution on some wrongness axis	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	they overfit to all hell, which is the bane of noobs and politicos in science.	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	and finance.	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	and everything.	[09:06]
Vexual	i agree check your barometer and your atns	[09:07]
benkay	not really buying that an almanac is more accurate	[09:07]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[09:08]
greenspan_fan	if climate change worries you, looking at the reports they don't really publicize that some places stand to benefit	[09:08]
greenspan_fan	I'd take it more seriously if all the people involved were buying up russian and canadian farmland	[09:08]
benkay	eh not terribly worried about the downside. i know it's pretty bad.	[09:08]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan meta fitting :)	[09:08]
Duffer1	kansas needs shoreline	[09:08]
Vexual	why no aussie greenspan_fan?	[09:08]
benkay	gotta drain the tundra, greenspan_fan.	[09:09]
benkay	it's not simply farmable as is.	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	benkay minable.	[09:09]
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greenspan_fan	Vexual: ozone depletion, so you get (more) cancer w/ your tan? I haven't looked at it in years though	[09:09]
Vexual	china is buying our arable land like theres no tommorrow	[09:09]
jurov	benkay you need water, not just soil	[09:10]
benkay	mircea_popescu i was going to bring up water table problems but just freeze a berm around your mining works el oh el oh el	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	im not a geologist employed by a venture fund trying to buy siberian lands, so what do i care about the water table et all.	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	obviously some places will be better and others worse, but we're discussing the birdseye view here	[09:11]
benkay	nm	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	it'll drain somewhere. you don't really want to buy the riverbed, i guess, but if you disperse your ownership you gotta average out ok.	[09:12]
benkay	i don't really expect accuracy on predictions of the behavior of a really complex multidimensional set of oscillators and dampers (see: planetary processes of weather etc) with totally unknown coupling from a set of modelers whose heads gotta be up they asses much less a book from a ways back	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	benkay the book is better, strictly because it doesn't have the tools to overfit with.	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with the concept of overfitting ?	[09:13]
greenspan_fan	well, the book looks at far less data, and perhaps those parameters are better selected	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan nah, they simply don't know math. that's their saving grace.	[09:13]
Vexual	overfitting is imaining where the diamonds are without sighting them?	[09:13]
benkay	intimately. i did a spot of modeling when building a wafer host for a wager probing mfgr.	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	benkay ok so then.	[09:14]
greenspan_fan	I'm doing some modelling too, but it's mostly catalogue work for sears	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	not knowing you can do complex poly fitting means you'll just draw a line through the datapoints	[09:14]
benkay	okay out of curiosity, on what bases were the authors of this almanac predicting?	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	rather than end up with some crazy.	[09:14]
greenspan_fan	I think it's just cyclical trends?	[09:14]
benkay	fully granted	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	benkay hearsay.	[09:14]
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mircea_popescu	i think you underestimate the majorly powerful computer natural language is.	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	you perhaps imagine mankind hasn't been using computers before the numeric machines. this would be false.	[09:15]
benkay	hah i do?	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, why im proposing it.	[09:15]
benkay	i operate from the basis that we're just chemical machines.	[09:16]
greenspan_fan	additionally, all the fancy numerical methods we use are older than the farmer's almanac, or close to	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	a ok then. well that'd be overfitting for our needs.	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	let's say that we are chemical machines which fit a very primitive lua.	[09:16]
benkay	cognition, layered abstractions.	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	much like bitcoin is running on supercomputers but basically oding some very primitive scripting.	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	you with me ?	[09:16]
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benkay	yeah yeah	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	so a bunch of derps cca 1700 who are desperately aware of farming, cause their life depends on it	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	will make and diffuse observations, which is not so unlike asciilifeform's light problem solver yest.	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	eventually they compute something	[09:17]
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mircea_popescu	and that something is the farmer's almanac.	[09:17]
greenspan_fan	it's kind of like feature discovery in AI	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	it's not either very good or very fixable (or actionable, scientifically)	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	but it IS a better fit than the modern climate science.	[09:18]
greenspan_fan	you quantify something (albeit abstractly, like "cold winter" or "windy previous season" or whatever)	[09:18]
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mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan that's the beauty of natural language vs math.	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	"cold winter" IS a quantification in that sense.	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	it just doesn't have a numeric value	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	it has a lingustic value.	[09:19]
benkay	oh man but this system has a horrible problem	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	it does yes	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	a number of them.	[09:19]
greenspan_fan	hence abstractly; then you can form causal relationships between your observations	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan yeah we're pretty much in agreement.	[09:19]
benkay	which is that most people have just totally fucked substrates for running these operations	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	benkay errors diverge.	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	that's why it takles 197 fucking years to even compute anything usable.	[09:20]
greenspan_fan	additionally, people reinforce their belief on correct predictions and the people who are bad at thinking in terms of a-->b tend to starve vs. write almanacks	[09:20]
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mircea_popescu	and a whole slew of things such as group selection, and marginalisation, etc	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	all flow from trying to keep the machine as sharp as possible.	[09:21]
greenspan_fan	what is cool is that there's all these (possibly apocryphal) stories about how, say, the inuit have 47 different words for snow	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	that's why the scapegoat is NOT a "horrible crime" in a 1700s culture, but quite fucking required, sane and reasonable.	[09:21]
greenspan_fan	why would you need so many words? because these are the features that you use to interpret your environment, and sometimes survival means knowing light, wet snow from permafrost	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan boas' idea is widely disputed.	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't use it raw like that.	[09:22]
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benkay	there being a relationship between abstraction power of words and the number of maintained in brain on mental horsepower.	[09:24]
benkay	some optimization point on the curve, etc	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	benkay the original argument against teaching the plebs to write.	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	still valid to this day.	[09:24]
benkay	hah i get it fills their brains with ideas they can't handle	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	the original argument against moving away from latin service in church. "what and lose all that abstraction power ?!?!"	[09:24]
benkay	they'll go crazy!	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	benkay no. "it will take more than they can carry to teach them what we mean by all the words"	[09:25]
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mircea_popescu	"they'll fuck up the values of our variables and break all the code"	[09:25]
benkay	does latin have significant abstraction power?	[09:25]
benkay	also what are your favorite languages?	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	in the sense that at the time french didn't exist latin had been used continuously by millions for millenia	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	yes it did.	[09:26]
greenspan_fan	english, lisp, then latin in my case	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	greek, latin and romanian.	[09:26]
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greenspan_fan	vulgus vult decepi, ergo decepitur	[09:26]
benkay	what's your ranking of them by power of expression?	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	there's no such power of expression function that can be discussed over the set.	[09:27]
benkay	sure and all programming languages are turing equivalent so why bother	[09:27]
greenspan_fan	I'd put english, then lisp, then latin, but that's probably by order of familiarity	[09:27]
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mircea_popescu	benkay if you care of some inkiling of why greek is the mother of them all, maybe http://trilema.com/2009/etimologia-democratiei/	[09:28]
greenspan_fan	I'm kinda skeptical that you can trace lisp back to greek	[09:28]
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mircea_popescu	you can trace thought back to greek	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	lisp, not so much.	[09:28]
greenspan_fan	I can't even find a keyboard that has the greek alphabet in it	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	no space cadet where you live ?	[09:29]
greenspan_fan	have you read Jaynes' "The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind"? it's kinda on point in that regard	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[09:29]
greenspan_fan	and no, so all my variables are "alpha" or "epsilon", which is frankly depressing	[09:30]
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benkay	mircea_popescu: what did you think of the Jaynes book?	[09:30]
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mircea_popescu	i thought it was okay.	[09:30]
greenspan_fan	it's more something that you read about for the ideas, rather than because it's a complete and fleshed out theory	[09:31]
benkay	on an entirely unrelated topic	[09:32]
benkay	this waffling about the legality of bitcoin by places thailand etc are just going to delay its recognition as a thing by the big institutions	[09:33]
benkay	which is great	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	it's really indiferent.	[09:33]
greenspan_fan	more time to perfect the algorithm vs. faster adoption?	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	take the great plague. what difference does the church pronouncement against a great plague, or for it, or about it	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	make to the plague itself ?	[09:34]
greenspan_fan	if you tell all the churchgoers to stay indoors it might make a difference	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	did it ?	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	plagues run to completion. they know.	[09:35]
greenspan_fan	haha	[09:35]
greenspan_fan	and sometimes, the people it forces to stay indoors invent calculus	[09:35]
greenspan_fan	or something. I forget.	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	sure. lawsky will probably invent a whole new way of fucking women in your office	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	owing to his very bizzare low table.	[09:36]
greenspan_fan	googled it, was not disappointed	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	one thing that always shocked me about soviet aparatchicks was how horribly bad their suits were.	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	today what shocks me about the soviet aparatchicks is how horribly uncomfortable their stuff is.	[09:37]
jurov	benkay, define recognition	[09:37]
benkay	"harder, please"	[09:38]
jurov	they will try to ban it? tax it? how?	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	jurov you going to go for a "what they think they see is not what is there thus no recognition could have taken place" ?	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	lol harder please	[09:38]
mircea_popescu	you know you'd have made a great harem girl benkay ?	[09:38]
jurov	yes, i'm interested wha exactly benkay thinks he sees	[09:39]
benkay	i'm working on training my first!	[09:39]
benkay	i dunno	[09:39]
benkay	i'm stoned	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	don't break anything.	[09:39]
benkay	it's late	[09:39]
benkay	hands off the servers i promise	[09:39]
greenspan_fan	what's bizarre to me is how everyone in that AMA was pretty much begging for regulation	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	they'd also made decent harem girls.	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	most do.	[09:41]
greenspan_fan	but it's this unquestioning faith that the best policy is to always shoehorn everything into whatever the prevailing paradigm was	[09:42]
benkay	eventually the bag bursts	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	seems a reasonable approach really.	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	woman goes picking berries.	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	if she finds a new type of berries, you really expect her to run home and come back with a new type of berry bag ?	[09:43]
greenspan_fan	it's more like, if you went picking berries and wandered upon a mcdonalds	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[09:44]
greenspan_fan	yes, you can store cheeseburgers in the same bag, but you could also just use the drivethru	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	but you don't have a drivethrough in your country.	[09:44]
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greenspan_fan	(before the analogies diverge too much) the problem is is that it completely misses the point about how there's now a fundamentally different way of acquiring food	[09:45]
Vexual	;;ud dillybag	[09:45]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dilly%20Bag \| Dec 15, 2010 ... Dilly Bag. Apparel such as a satchel or handbag carried by escorts and strippers that are used to contain a variety of accessories used in their ...	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	obviously it misses the point.	[09:45]
benkay	thanks vex	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	why'd you expect her not to miss the point ?	[09:45]
greenspan_fan	because that is a universe I would like to live in	[09:46]
benkay	hey Vexual hit me with some old dub	[09:46]
Vexual	how old ar eyou?	[09:46]
benkay	hahaha	[09:46]
benkay	from before 1970 plz	[09:46]
benkay	50's if you got it, if it exists	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan so then act that way don't expect that way :D	[09:46]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYPOghwtEr4	[09:47]
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benkay	lovely thankee	[09:47]
Vexual	too big a jump	[09:47]
benkay	it's grand	[09:48]
greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu it's not something that you can do just on your own, though	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	not missing the point is not something you can do on your own ?	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	then what do you want from her.	[09:49]
greenspan_fan	if there's a big enough push, the government can/will step in, regulate everything they can regulate and exterminate everything else	[09:49]
greenspan_fan	it's a marginal risk w/r/t bitcoin, but jeez, one wishes everyone could just get w/ the program w/o all these false steps	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	what are you talking about even.	[09:51]
greenspan_fan	for example that fawning AMA	[09:52]
greenspan_fan	he (and his suspiciously low desk) aren't on your side. They might not be against you, but it's still not a great idea to do your best to hand over control to the first guy with a title and incipient back problems who comes along	[09:53]
mircea_popescu	they aren't ?!	[09:53]
mircea_popescu	wait, reddit hands something over ?	[09:53]
greenspan_fan	well, not really	[09:53]
greenspan_fan	as you point out those people are typically sub 0.1 btc holders	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	dude five minutes ago we were in perfect agreement on complex math stuff, now i have no idea even what you're on about.	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	how can things change so.	[09:54]
greenspan_fan	local inflection point, maybe?	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	must be someting.	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	but i mean, from what axioms you proceed ?	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	i can't identify a shared one even.	[09:54]
greenspan_fan	A1: The government has, at varying levels of cost, options to subvert/ruin the valuable aspects of bitcoin	[09:55]
Vexual	bullshit	[09:56]
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greenspan_fan	A2: the government responds to popular will, to some degree	[09:56]
greenspan_fan	A3: The folks on reddit constitute a reasonable sample of the voting public, from which "popular will" is derived	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	a1 and a2 aren't true tho.	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	but write out the whole list it/ll be helpful	[09:57]
Vexual	bc was invented for government fail, not to solve it	[09:57]
greenspan_fan	doing so, since I went to the trouble of using colons and everything	[09:57]
greenspan_fan	P1 (A2, A3): The support on reddit indicates there's some popular demand for government regulation of bitcoin	[09:58]
benkay	another vex another	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	wait, aren't you missing a a4 ?	[09:59]
Vexual	where do we go from here?	[09:59]
greenspan_fan	P2 (P1, A1): There's a good chance of government regulation/interference occuring, which, depending on the effort involved, could lead to subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin	[10:00]
chetty_	reddit twerps count as popular demand? now I know I fell down the rabbit hole	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	chetty_ myeah.	[10:00]
benkay	something with some soul	[10:00]
jurov	subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin << what should i imagine here?	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan your axiomatic system is incomplete. the redditards live off the govt dole. since the govt can not create value out of thin air, you're missing an a4	[10:01]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbP4JBf8To	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	describing the people the govt actually extracts value from to give to a3.	[10:01]
benkay	amazing vexual!	[10:02]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[10:02]
greenspan_fan	I don't even really know how the us economy functions, but it does, after a fashion	[10:02]
greenspan_fan	so I think it's fair to say that it has some ability to execute on A1	[10:02]
greenspan_fan	consider that part of the "dole", in the form of pandering	[10:03]
greenspan_fan	that really should be A4, to be honest; it's kinda weird how I thought that was pre-axiomatic... :(	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c here's the actual data : since jan 1st mpoe bot has quoted 7192 times, for a total book exposure of 62930 minutes, = ~43.7 days (out of 51.4) so like 85%. of these in turn 7 (so like 90%) have been since the 14th, ie since the signal divergence.	[10:03]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan :p	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	so now... the people whose livelihood depends on government do see it as on their side. it is.	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	they also do expect it to continue making their lives possible, as it has in the past.	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	now, on these reasonable expectations you posit that the government can somehow take the shine out of metal for their benefit ?	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	the shine is to the metal, not separable.	[10:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24180 @ 0.00087717 = 21.21 BTC [+] {2}	[10:05]
greenspan_fan	bitcoin's an idea, and to quote abraham lincoln once again, "there's nothing that can stop an idea whose time has come"	[10:05]
greenspan_fan	but in the short term you can delay it, for sure	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	more importantly : your average kid on reddit could not survive if i teleported him to a random place on earth.	[10:06]
Vexual	tru dat	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	of fucking course he expects what he expects neh ?	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	but merely that of course he expects it is no ground to say of course it can be done.	[10:06]
greenspan_fan	so I wish these people would just get with the program and not invite the apparatchiks (I think that's also the model of his desk? from ikea, maybe?) to mess things up	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	of course children expect to be the kings of creation. so what of it ?	[10:07]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan but a) they're not inviting him anywhere, because wherever they are so is he already	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	and b) what's he gonna fuck up ? reddit ?	[10:07]
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greenspan_fan	I think we're mainly in disagreement w/r/t whether or not they'd be able to meaningfully intervene	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	so model it.	[10:08]
greenspan_fan	if I had the resources of the us govt, and I wanted to wreck bitcoin at all costs, I'd start w/ outlawing its use for payment, and impose penalties for anyone in my jurisdiction who has a bitcoin wallet	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	you read the discussion re atc with asciilifeform ?	[10:10]
greenspan_fan	no, can you link me?	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#505460	[10:10]
greenspan_fan	then I'd move on to technical subversion, which might mean dedicating supercomputers to attack the blockchain, or just ddos/hack any of the major players	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	you'd be perpetually too late.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	that is the problem.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	not that you couldn't have run, achilles, but that you neglected the turtle.	[10:12]
jurov	greenspan_fan: there are much more cost effective options, and they are deployed right now	[10:12]
jurov	this: http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm	[10:12]
jurov	long but worthy.	[10:13]
benkay	vexual that's crazy	[10:13]
greenspan_fan	listening to it while my code compiles	[10:13]
Vexual	toolong	[10:13]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bS-YnLf4s&list=PLB3AFACEE85B0C572	[10:13]
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greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu I think we're a year or two out before the hash rate reaches escape velocity	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	really ?	[10:14]
mircea_popescu	can you estimate current network hash in alu ops ?	[10:14]
greenspan_fan	the bailout was like a trillion dollars	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with the concept of the bezzle ?	[10:15]
greenspan_fan	yes, I am canadian after all :p	[10:15]
greenspan_fan	for far less than a billion I could commission enough asics to make the network mine, for all intents and purposes	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	ok so. they spent a trillion "Dollars", but those trillion dollars could not have bought a trillion one dollar ringdings	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	no, you could not.	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	you imagine infinite elasticity. this is false.	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	the people who can make asics are ALREADY doing it, on their own account	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	they don't need your billion.	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	so what you got nao, pops ?	[10:16]
mircea_popescu	keep your billion.	[10:17]
greenspan_fan	thx, I need it for my rent anyways	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	this is exactly the trap VCs in their own mind struggle with atm.	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	"o, we got a billion"	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	"well... enjoy shoving it in and out ?"	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	their bitcoin being, of course, dollars, we couldn't, of course, care less.	[10:17]
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greenspan_fan	as long as you spend it before the ponzi implodes you're in the clear, no?	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	who you're going to spend it to ?	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	you're desperate to spend it, and the people you need to do things aren't desperate to get it.	[10:18]
jurov	greenspan_fan: you imagine tsmc can and will reject all orders for 2 month or so just cause usg drops a billion?	[10:18]
greenspan_fan	the nsa, intel, whomever	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan if the nsa, intel, whomever actually could hire more people	[10:18]
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mircea_popescu	they'd hire some people who wouldn't be spilling their beans each year.	[10:19]
greenspan_fan	if you model leaks as a poisson process, they're actually pretty air-tight	[10:19]
greenspan_fan	plus, you're assuming that technical talent doesn't respond to things like patriotism	[10:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475162 << and see that too for better context.	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan technical talent DOES respond to patriotism much more than to money.	[10:20]
greenspan_fan	a few posters of rosie the solderer and voila, you've got your asics	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	the problem is, their country is the serenissima,	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	and your shitty empire trying to infiltrate it will pay through the teeth for no results at all.	[10:20]
greenspan_fan	as a (possibly out of date) counter example, I could point to the manhattan project	[10:21]
greenspan_fan	thousands of supremely bright, capable people, managed by the army, built an atomic bomb in like three years	[10:21]
mircea_popescu	still with the manhattan project ?	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	you know this was a majorly discussed topic recently hiar.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	do you ?	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	anyway : back then the most serene republica veneta was the us. much in the sense of how back then the bitcoin of the world was the usd.	[10:23]
jurov	greenspan_fan: anyway, what you suggest is not about building something, but the exact opposite	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	thigns have changed. we have a real republic and a real bitcoin now, which leaves the us back among its peers.	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	jurov here's the funny thing on top of it : if the us actually DID try to build something, like a superadvanced asic design ? we'd get it for free in the next leak bundle.	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	and we'd use it better than them, so overal... thanks for the fishes.	[10:24]
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greenspan_fan	I'm not saying this is likely, or even permanent	[10:28]
greenspan_fan	just that my preference would be to avoid the struggle	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[10:32]
greenspan_fan	because I value my time	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	but how else is your time to be spent ?	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	"life is on the wire. everything else's just waiting."	[10:34]
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Vexual	todays fish is trout a la creme	[10:36]
greenspan_fan	I just don't really see an upside to tedious interference by lansky et. al.	[10:36]
Vexual	enjoy your meal	[10:36]
jurov	not seeing an upside is different thing than	[10:36]
jurov	"subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin"	[10:36]
greenspan_fan	by valuable aspects I meant things like consistent network performance, ease of exchange, ease of adoption	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	not only those aren't the valuable aspects of bitcoin	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	but it doesn't even have them.	[10:38]
greenspan_fan	(for some values of the above)	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	"the valuable aspects of icecream : warmth"	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	"for some values of warm"	[10:39]
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greenspan_fan	best served at 250 kelvin	[10:39]
greenspan_fan	there are others, but those are kind of baked in	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin has terrible overhead and it is without a doubt the klunkiest, most ineffectual way to transmit payments ever devised	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	i nthe history of mankind.	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	you think that's its main value ?!	[10:40]
jurov	lol, like some fb derp wrote just hour ago that mtgox failure is "damaging bitcoin philosophy"	[10:40]
greenspan_fan	haha	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	jurov clearly.	[10:40]
jurov	i just replied what philosphy? stfu pls	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	oppressor.	[10:40]
Vexual	satoshi designed it that gox might imrove the philosophy	[10:41]
greenspan_fan	no, I think it's actually really elegant	[10:41]
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mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan sure, it is really elegant, but not for those reasons.	[10:41]
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greenspan_fan	"get off my wall with your cis-decafe-non-mtgox privilege"	[10:42]
Vexual	whats that when its a sentence?	[10:42]
greenspan_fan	10-to-life for hate crimes?	[10:42]
Vexual	oh	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	o look who's here.	[10:44]
greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu as a means of exchange, all those things are valuable though, and most easily attacked	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	greenspan_fan you have any kids ?	[10:44]
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greenspan_fan	mircea_popescu nope, why?	[10:45]
davout	bitcoin. stahp.	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	well, most parents have this experience. whereby angry 5 yo threatens to hold his breath to death.	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	first timers get really panicked about it.	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	sane people couldn't care less. when kid's had enough holding his breath he'll give up on it.	[10:46]
Vexual	how long has facebook been a thing?	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	~5 years.	[10:50]
greenspan_fan	since 2005 or so, I think	[10:50]
greenspan_fan	Feb 4, 2004	[10:51]
greenspan_fan	jesus	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	when it was started != when it was a thing	[10:51]
Vexual	i wonder how many humans it has created	[10:52]
greenspan_fan	I am going to say, at least 500 million	[10:52]
greenspan_fan	most of those were immediately pre-ipo	[10:53]
Vexual	i mean random dads	[10:53]
Vexual	it aint 500m	[10:54]
greenspan_fan	I wonder if they've modelled that internally?	[10:54]
greenspan_fan	I was thinking more "users" to inflate their statistics	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	was geared towards college kids originally, so prolly plenty.	[10:56]
Vexual	either way its prolly closer to 500m than 0 in a sense	[10:56]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGAtHc_e_0	[11:04]
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Vexual	no more factories, but heres a tablet app	[11:04]
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KRS-One	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDYGlDV4ldo	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Women_working_at_Douglas_Aircraft.jpg	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	gotta love 1940s jean cut.	[11:09]
Vexual	worldpop was smaller then mircea, it's all skinny jeans now	[11:11]
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mircea_popescu	skinny jeans are okay, but not really for everyone.	[11:12]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH6ZRJlTsDY	[11:16]
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Vexual	i ypothesise that you can't put too many ants into a colony, something normal will happen	[11:16]
Vexual	hormones and all	[11:17]
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Vexual	just liek these gox protesters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4S4NpdJug	[11:23]
KRS-One	That was a kind of famous picture mircea_popescu	[11:24]
Vexual	whats that?	[11:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1794 @ 0.00087916 = 1.5772 BTC [-]	[11:24]
Vexual	riviting aircarft?	[11:25]
KRS-One	yes	[11:25]
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Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA	[11:26]
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Vexual	hey bugpowder, do yo uthink you can sell fireants with double testosterone to the ethical standards comitte?	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	yeah it was.	[11:36]
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Duffer1	has there been any b-a discussion of kurzweil or singularity?	[11:43]
Duffer1	or trilema?	[11:44]
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mircea_popescu	on trilema some.	[11:58]
Duffer1	i have been unable to locate such	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	soo ukraine just defaulted ?	[12:00]
jurov	where?	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	word around the campfire.	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	there's a coupla bn in 2015 notes that are being written off.	[12:02]
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mircea_popescu	jurov re blinding : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKp67SrSLlM	[12:27]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[12:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 575.0, Best ask: 575.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 576.99, 24 hour volume: 39740.40054212, 24 hour low: 530.01, 24 hour high: 604.5, 24 hour vwap: 571.791472504	[12:56]
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Mallstromm	;;market sell 40000	[13:01]
gribble	Bitstamp \| A market order to sell 40000 bitcoins right now would net 13173637.7416 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 329.3409 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0292 seconds	[13:01]
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BingoBoingo	;;lasers	[13:10]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[13:10]
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KRS-One	I AM SENDING 5000 EUROS TO MTGOX LADIES AND GENTLEMEN	[14:33]
ThickAsThieves	http://bitnode.io provides public & private p2pool nodes. 0% fee on public nodes. private nodes on inquiry. private nodes and altcoin nodes coming soon	[14:33]
KRS-One	He should just send the 5000 euros to me, at least I'll send him an autographed nudic pic back for his troubles.	[14:34]
KRS-One	;;seen ozbot	[14:34]
gribble	ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties	[14:34]
KRS-One	why	[14:34]
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ThickAsThieves	ticks are so nasty	[15:33]
ThickAsThieves	gmaxwell: wumpus: yea, I understand they had timed automatic reissues... :( this was also something I didn't know prior to monday before last and is one of the other reasons my "they couldn't have lost much!" position softened to "I have no freeking clue."	[15:36]
ThickAsThieves	;;later tell bugpowder http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2014#521580	[15:38]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	from: http://pastebin.com/DaSph9uT	[15:39]
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Mallstromm	ThickAsThieves : old news	[15:42]
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ThickAsThieves	old news in this chan?	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	if so sry	[15:46]
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davout	http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/	[15:50]
davout	where is ozbot?	[15:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10706 @ 0.00087537 = 9.3717 BTC [+] {2}	[15:55]
random_cat	.bait	[15:56]
jurov	davout so what do you use?	[15:56]
davout	jurov: i'm used to ozbot fetching the <title>, doesn't really matter :-)	[15:57]
jurov	no i mean instead fo cloudflare	[15:57]
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davout	jurov: nothing	[16:03]
davout	i'll have to eventually figure something out	[16:03]
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davout	last time i got DDoS'd i set up a different IP, and sent it to customers that asked for it	[16:04]
davout	i think an e-mail MPEX-like API would be good	[16:04]
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davout	i don't have a definitive answer	[16:05]
davout	maybe i'll end up using them if i can make sure nothing sensitive goes thru	[16:05]
davout	imma replace bitcoin addresses displayed on the website by gpg-signed e-mail receipts for example	[16:06]
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jurov	you can show gpg signed output in browser, too	[16:07]
jurov	pity there isn't a plugin that can verify it, tho	[16:07]
jurov	triyng to develop it would prolly be best way to let nsa goons to identify themselves :D	[16:08]
jurov	https://webpg.org/?view=downloads#ext-firefox hmmm but there is something	[16:09]
jurov	if it is sound project, maybe everyone at #assets can push it for their projects	[16:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06362249 = 0.2545 BTC [+] {2}	[16:16]
ThickAsThieves	interesting	[16:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06399999 = 0.128 BTC [+]	[16:17]
davout	jurov: the problem with showing the GPG data in browser is that said data would be generated asynchronously	[16:19]
jurov	you need to generate deposit addy asynchronously?	[16:20]
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davout	the GPG-signature and address generation can't happen on the web facing servers	[16:23]
davout	that protects you against a compromised server too	[16:24]
davout	because if you work from the assumption that no frontend/app server will ever be compromised you're in for a world of pain	[16:24]
davout	the best way to design security is IMHO to consider that you're already compromised, at least to some extent	[16:25]
jurov	it can still happen elsewhere	[16:26]
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jurov	asynchronicity by itself will not help you against frontend compromise	[16:28]
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davout	asynchronicity is merely a consequence of "the frontend doesn't know shit about where the sensitive server is"	[16:32]
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jurov	i don't think it's absolutely necessary consequence	[16:42]
jurov	it's sufficient if the sensitive server has minimal interface exposed to frontend and does not implicitly trust it	[16:42]
jurov	it cen even be behind proxies like mpex does and still can be pretty responsive	[16:42]
jurov	but what i want to discuss, if we all can force users to install gpg browser plugin	[16:45]
asciilifeform	gpg running automatically in a browser (or elsewhere) is questionable wisdom.	[16:45]
jurov	and use it to auth to the service and verify sensitive data it got back	[16:45]
jurov	i don't believe anything more is achievable while providing srvice to chumps	[16:46]
asciilifeform	verify, ok. sign/decrypt without human trigger pull - no thanks	[16:46]
jurov	they can then easily migrate to using cardano	[16:46]
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asciilifeform	jurov: one of the reasons why cardano is that the host machine does not automatically know that a cryptographic widget, as such, is plugged in.	[16:47]
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asciilifeform	only the human knows	[16:48]
asciilifeform	a dedicated piece of soft for talking to cardano defeats this purpose.	[16:48]
asciilifeform	and creates an easy target	[16:48]
jurov	all that is actually needed is to have ability to save to file/load from file	[16:50]
asciilifeform	yes	[16:50]
asciilifeform	but consider the question of whether an attacker can automatically determine that cardano is present and in use.	[16:51]
asciilifeform	if you have any dedicated software component on the pc end (e.g. browser plugin), it is a target.	[16:51]
asciilifeform	if, on the other hand, you merely move files onto and out of a usb drive...	[16:51]
davout	asciilifeform: how is 'put file on usb device, check for encrypted file magically appearing' not possible ??	[16:51]
asciilifeform	davout: because it doesn't appear until the trigger is pulled	[16:52]
davout	aaah	[16:52]
davout	smart	[16:52]
davout	automation is overrated	[16:52]
asciilifeform	soviet nuke subs, it is said, have manually-cranked reactor controls.	[16:52]
davout	well then the attack becomes more complex	[16:53]
davout	think its still feasible tho	[16:53]
davout	put file on usb dev	[16:53]
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davout	wait	[16:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07147981 = 0.5004 BTC [+] {3}	[16:53]
davout	if at some point encrypted copy appears, user pulled the trigger	[16:53]
asciilifeform	not that a human, driving a pwned machine remotely, will remain permanently unaware that the victim owns a cardano	[16:53]
davout	however the attack is easily detectable in taht case	[16:53]
davout	yeah	[16:53]
asciilifeform	but an automatic diddler is faced with a considerably-harder problem.	[16:54]
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davout	true	[16:54]
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jurov	how would cardano be hidden from someone watching my desktop?	[16:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07147999 = 0.7863 BTC [+] {2}	[16:55]
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asciilifeform	jurov: once again, a human watching, if he has a brain, may eventually figure it out	[16:55]
asciilifeform	but, unlike the case of a dedicated app, there is no simple mechanical test.	[16:55]
MisterE	http://winkdex.com/#/	[16:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00087097 = 12.1291 BTC [-] {3}	[16:58]
jurov	but i did not mean the gpg plugin to ask cardano to encrypt/sign automatically	[17:00]
asciilifeform	jurov: ideally, there would be nothing on the pc that suggests ownership of a cardano.	[17:01]
asciilifeform	at all.	[17:01]
jurov	then you want completely sterile machine that's booted every time from image, anyway	[17:03]
asciilifeform	jurov: for some applications, this makes sense.	[17:03]
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davout	IBM was right, it's better manually	[17:12]
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kakobrekla	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrxPuk0JefA	[17:16]
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mike_c	mircea_popescu: i don't know what the discrepency is, but my logs disagree with that. Like I am seeing that Jan. 25th and Jan. 28th were basically down all day and I just got stock bid/asks from the market depth feed. who knows. i'll look for bugs in my poller sometime.	[17:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0714 = 0.1428 BTC [-]	[17:24]
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davout	kakobrekla: haha incredible	[17:34]
davout	(i'm so fucking scared now to say the ama zing word)	[17:34]
davout	i can't believe it's not some sort of clever gopro ad	[17:35]
pankkake	amazing	[17:35]
davout	nooooooo	[17:35]
davout	oh wait, it is a clever go pro ad	[17:35]
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Jere_Jones	http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/	[17:38]
Jere_Jones	Damn, that was hard to find.	[17:38]
davout	;;google cardano snsa	[17:39]
gribble	S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[17:39]
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Jere_Jones	Yeah. I didn't know the snsa part. :)	[17:40]
davout	:-)	[17:43]
Jere_Jones	Now maybe I can re-read the earlier discussion and it will make more sense.	[17:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086986 = 4.6538 BTC [-]	[17:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000175 = 0.175 BTC [-] {2}	[17:54]
davout	kakobrekla: where's the bitbet on mtgox's solvency ?	[17:58]
pankkake	http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/	[17:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2}	[18:00]
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davout	ty	[18:00]
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diametric	http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/	[18:21]
diametric	thats gonna sting	[18:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00087105 = 9.3638 BTC [-]	[18:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00299997 = 0.171 BTC [+]	[18:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299998 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[18:30]
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the20year2	The contract was accepted completely on the 2 houses on 1 lot :)	[18:37]
BingoBoingo	Sweet, Serena Williams lost, so I made money.	[18:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.95323557 BTC to 2`431 shares, 80347 satoshi per share	[18:59]
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TomServo	.d	[19:03]
TomServo	Oh yeah. No ozzy.	[19:03]
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benkay	mornin	[19:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07148 = 0.2144 BTC [+]	[19:27]
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asciilifeform	from btce russian trollbox: '[gox] will end up like soviet gensec: after prolonged illness, perished unexpectedly...'	[19:43]
pankkake	can russians still use btc-e?	[19:44]
pankkake	or any exchange	[19:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087093 = 1.7419 BTC [-]	[19:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}	[19:55]
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benkay	http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1b9iyl/my_friend_foolishly_let_me_ssh_into_his_account/c95chhf	[20:08]
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nubbins`	tourette hooker neighbour is locked out of house	[20:19]
nubbins`	idly considering calling police to report break-in in progress	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:22]
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ThickAsThieves	what is it with women not saying what theu mean all the time	[20:22]
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benkay	do it nubbins`	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	"i was going to ask you to write a check for the floor guy, but he's leaving now" "ok, but he's here now, i can write a check now, right?" "he's leaving now" "so write a check for him now?" "yes, that's what i said."	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	pretty much all wife-to-husband communication	[20:30]
mike_c	hah. i have had that exact conversation recently.	[20:33]
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ThickAsThieves	it works in reverse too, like when you say something that's seems painfully clear, it gets interpreted as the much less likely but arguable possible version	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	arguably*	[20:35]
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ThickAsThieves	"I don't want french fries." "Oh you already ate?"	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	and such	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	everything must mean something more, i guess	[20:38]
benkay	if you let it	[20:38]
benkay	"dear, the simplest interpretation is the one you're looking for."	[20:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [-]	[20:39]
benkay	no, i just don't want any french fries.	[20:40]
benkay	vigilance against being disposed of?	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	but are you hungry?!	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[20:41]
benkay	;;calc 40*4/2	[20:43]
gribble	80	[20:43]
benkay	80	[20:43]
nubbins`	dealing with this client who runs a hot yoga studio	[20:44]
nubbins`	she said she'd be by last night at 7:30 to pick up her order	[20:44]
nubbins`	i waited til 9:45, unil "sorry i forgot!"	[20:44]
nubbins`	today: "i'll pick them up at 2pm". 2:45: "i'll be there soon." 3:00: "can i pick them up at 4?"	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	"you can pick them up whenever i'm here"	[20:45]
nubbins`	because hey, everyone is a robot but her and she's the only person whose time is valuable	[20:45]
nubbins`	if she's not here by 4:00pm exactly, i am literally not answering the door when she arrives	[20:45]
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ThickAsThieves	at some point i stopped allowing pickups	[20:46]
nubbins`	nod	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	all prices included shipping costs	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	FREE shipping!	[20:46]
nubbins`	heh	[20:46]
nubbins`	she wanted organic racerback-style tank tops. such a thing does not exist. the closest we could find was tanks with 6.25% organic cotton	[20:47]
nubbins`	so instead of getting regular cotton tanks shipped from the next province over, we order 6.25% organic tanks shipped from the exact opposide end of the continent	[20:47]
nubbins`	because, y'know, eco-friendly	[20:47]
nubbins`	idly considered buying regular cotton tank tops and sewing a 1" organic cotton seam on the bottom	[20:48]
nubbins`	round it up to an even 10% organic	[20:48]
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nubbins`	honestly, given the choice between being "eco-friendly" and giving the appearance of it while being the opposite	[20:49]
nubbins`	people almost invariably choose the appearance	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	just rip all tags out always and imprint your own branding	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	builds customer "loyalty"	[20:49]
nubbins`	have idly considered this, but sizing	[20:49]
nubbins`	next thing you've got 4 screens, one for each size S-XL	[20:49]
nubbins`	might do it anyway tho, we use these nice shirts now that have easy-tear tags	[20:50]
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ThickAsThieves	is tagging legally required at all?	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose people have allergies?	[20:51]
nubbins`	country of origin and care instructions are mandatory	[20:52]
nubbins`	not sure about materials, but probably	[20:52]
nubbins`	some brands have two tags: a brand tag and a care/materials tag	[20:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4360 @ 0.00087314 = 3.8069 BTC [+]	[21:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00087396 = 12.4102 BTC [+]	[21:12]
kakobrekla	http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail_w530/public/slike/2014-02-21-napihovanje-temelji-juna%C5%A1kih-src-slovenskih-olimpijcev-24165.jpg?itok=I8pyq9aF	[21:15]
kakobrekla	is true.	[21:16]
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nubbins`	she showed up with SIX MINUTES to spare	[21:26]
nubbins`	and of course she arrived in a smart car	[21:26]
nubbins`	groan	[21:27]
dub	is she fat?	[21:27]
nubbins`	no, she runs a yoga studio	[21:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2827 @ 0.00087235 = 2.4661 BTC [-] {2}	[21:29]
dub	both yoga instructors I've had were a bit chunky, havent done bikram though	[21:30]
kakobrekla	did you do yoga or did you do the instructors?	[21:32]
dub	the yoga	[21:32]
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greenspan_fan	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/harvard-supercomputing-cluster-hijacked-to-produce-alt-cryptocurrency/	[21:35]
dub	i did an aerobics instructor if that helps	[21:35]
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nubbins`	helps what? :D	[21:36]
KRS-One	she must have had a nice bod	[21:38]
KRS-One	;;seen ozbot	[21:38]
greenspan_fan	it's funny, because I was thinking of using a supercomputer to mine dogecoin, but decided not to because the idea was idiotic on many levels	[21:39]
asciilifeform	botnet is cheaper	[21:39]
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KRS-One	When the hell is he getting back here with my porn	[21:39]
asciilifeform	and expandable.	[21:39]
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greenspan_fan	but I don't have l33t hacker skillz	[21:39]
KRS-One	all u have to do is write some gay malware	[21:40]
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greenspan_fan	It's not for me. I've seen that movie w/ keanu reeves. I don't even know kung fu.	[21:40]
asciilifeform	most crapnet artists have no l33t sk1llz	[21:40]
asciilifeform	they just buy a ride from professional spammers	[21:41]
greenspan_fan	enh. just doesn't seem like a good thing to get involved with	[21:41]
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asciilifeform	neither is mooching cpu cycles from employer	[21:42]
greenspan_fan	who said I'm employed?	[21:42]
asciilifeform	well, from whoever	[21:42]
asciilifeform	but if you're hijacking something, why not a supercomputer. 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb.'	[21:43]
greenspan_fan	I think it would be a good story to tell in prison	[21:43]
asciilifeform	'whatcha in for? doge'	[21:43]
greenspan_fan	"wow"	[21:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086936 = 9.7368 BTC [-]	[21:44]
nubbins`	such time	[21:44]
nubbins`	many soap	[21:44]
asciilifeform	several places have massive fpga clusters, hijack those.	[21:46]
asciilifeform	not intel crap	[21:46]
nubbins`	fuck that, hijack a train	[21:46]
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greenspan_fan	interestingly, you might be able to hijack a shipment of fpgas or asics, which would make for the nerdiest heist movie in history	[21:55]
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twizt	eh	[21:56]
AndrewWhatsUpppp	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tONLDwGK1Qc	[21:56]
jborkl	Anyone want to buy Google Glass for BTC- I have not ordered them yet so you can pick out color style	[21:57]
twizt	when u want something done u gotta do it urself -_-	[21:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00086936 = 2.8689 BTC [-]	[22:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48143704 = 1.4443 BTC [+] {3}	[22:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19770 @ 0.00086934 = 17.1869 BTC [-] {2}	[22:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [+] {2}	[22:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+]	[22:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0625 = 0.25 BTC [+] {4}	[22:49]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/21/280730201/enterprising-girl-scout-sells-cookies-outside-marijuana-clinic?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook	[22:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086801 = 5.9893 BTC [-] {2}	[23:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC	[23:22]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/teksavvy-ordered-to-id-alleged-movie-downloaders-1.2546477	[23:30]
nubbins`	"[Judge] Aalto ordered that before Voltage can send a letter to the alleged downloaders, it must return to court to get the wording of its communications cleared by a case management judge."	[23:31]
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nubbins`	"In order to ensure there is no inappropriate language in any demand letter sent to the alleged infringers, the draft demand letter will be provided to the court for review," Aalto wrote. "Any correspondence sent by Voltage to any subscriber shall clearly state in bold type that no court has yet made a determination that such subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages."	[23:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07148 = 3.0736 BTC [+]	[23:34]
ll_	hopefully that will slow infringement trolling in .ca	[23:35]
mike_c	paging eulora support. any suggestions on investigating seg fault on launch? http://pastebin.com/pr0rpyfp	[23:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2169 @ 0.00017301 = 0.3753 BTC [-]	[23:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1024 = 0.2048 BTC [+] {2}	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1024 BTC [+]	[23:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]	[23:42]
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mike_c	nubbins` did you ever get this thing building/running?	[23:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00086904 = 20.6397 BTC [+] {2}	[23:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC	[23:50]
nubbins`	mike_c: haven't had much time to look at it the past few days. having some issues getting crystalspace up and running	[23:51]
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nubbins`	did you examine the xml file listed?	[23:52]
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mike_c	i did. a large config file for the updater.	[23:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086942 = 5.4773 BTC [+] {2}	[23:59]

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