Forum logs for 21 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[11:33]
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mircea_popescu	goood morning everyone!	[11:34]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell bitcoinpete When you asked about a line betting operation did the tweet I offered convey enough info?	[11:34]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Morning	[11:34]
BingoBoingo	How was the conference?	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	pretty great!	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	gonna put some pix up once i go through my mail and stuff	[11:35]
BingoBoingo	Nice.	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	how was the chan meanwhile ?	[11:36]
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BingoBoingo	Slow	[11:36]
BingoBoingo	I ended up travelling just a little bit this weekend.	[11:36]
Diablo-D3	[04:31:43] I no longer have nickel cadmium batteries	[11:36]
Diablo-D3	[04:32:16] I'd like to no longer have LI-ION batteries	[11:36]
Diablo-D3	eventually we wont	[11:36]
Diablo-D3	graphene supercaps	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	o look who's here. didja find france alright davout ?	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 afaik graphene is still a ways off.	[11:37]
BingoBoingo	Diablo-D3: Actually I am hoping for a revival and enhancement of Silver-Zinc batteries	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	did that byrne kid ever manage to find his way here ?	[11:38]
BingoBoingo	?	[11:38]
BingoBoingo	The logs are sparse the past couple days, so I doubt many newcomers...	[11:39]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: in the next five years, graphene supercaps will become a commercial reality	[11:39]
Diablo-D3	they already have semi-functioning prototypes	[11:40]
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Diablo-D3	their big problem right now is that they're so energy dense, they're hard to handle	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 i bet you that i won't be able to buy a graphene supercap battery at a convenience store in 2019.	[11:40]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: well, no, you wouldnt	[11:40]
Diablo-D3	that'd be nonsensical	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	...	[11:41]
BingoBoingo	If they were there I dunno that I would want to buy them	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	well whatever, radioshack	[11:41]
Diablo-D3	that'd be like buying a li-ion battery at a store	[11:41]
Diablo-D3	you dont	[11:41]
Diablo-D3	you need the safety mechanism so you dont kill yourself	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	some sort of consumer accessible outlet	[11:41]
Diablo-D3	Im surprised, btw, alkalines are even made anymore	[11:41]
Diablo-D3	they're old hat	[11:41]
BingoBoingo	... Usually I buy lithium batteries at the store, Li-ion, LI-polymer and otherwise	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	^	[11:42]
Diablo-D3	I put lithiums in anything that a regchargable is inappropriate for	[11:42]
Diablo-D3	like, devices that stay continuously powered more than 2 years, or go outside, or are clocks, etc	[11:42]
BingoBoingo	I have yet to see a Lithium 364 button cell	[11:42]
fluffypony	alkalines are still available here - just yesterday I had to buy some AAs and got to choose between alkalines, lithiums, and nimh rechargeables	[11:42]
Diablo-D3	I use lsd nimhs in all.... two devices that need batteries	[11:43]
Diablo-D3	well, that arent clocks or continuous long term shit	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform needed some batteries for his demo yest, i had the maitre d' scare up some batteries, he came back with two alkalines	[11:43]
Diablo-D3	my harmony remote, and my ti-89	[11:43]
Diablo-D3	thats _it_	[11:43]
Diablo-D3	I have nothing that uses batteries anymore	[11:44]
Diablo-D3	the two clocks and the temp sensors use lithiums for obvious reasons	[11:44]
BingoBoingo	I own more watches than other battery powered devices, but of the ones that don't operate on mechanical energy, solver oxide cells are the most prevalent.	[11:45]
bounce	what, no automatics?	[11:45]
Diablo-D3	bounce: nope	[11:46]
BingoBoingo	bounce: Automatics use mechanical energy	[11:46]
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BingoBoingo	The rotor winds the spring	[11:46]
bounce	right. what was the electrical equivalent, 'kinetic' or something?	[11:46]
fluffypony	davout: bonjour	[11:46]
fluffypony	bounce: yeah, Seiko had "kinetic"	[11:46]
fluffypony	Citizen has solar	[11:47]
BingoBoingo	bounce: Kinetic is the seiko term, other manufacterers use different names because trademarks. That is for electrical charging by those means though.	[11:47]
BingoBoingo	Seiko still makes proper mechanical automatic movements though.	[11:48]
bounce	kid in school had a solar, very sparse design. just even matte background for the face, which also was the solar panel only you'd not notice.	[11:48]
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fluffypony	bounce: I have 3 Citizen solars	[11:49]
fluffypony	lemme take photo	[11:49]
BingoBoingo	The sun's overrated. I'd kind of prefer an all tritium powered watch	[11:49]
bounce	used to have a... citizen? automatic. need fixing though, in the end it was off by half an hour a day. should've gotten it fixed while still in warranty. silly me.	[11:50]
BingoBoingo	Oh http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/	[11:50]
BingoBoingo	bounce: It really depends on the particular watch whether it is worth saving or not.	[11:51]
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mircea_popescu	quartzes rarely are.	[11:52]
BingoBoingo	bounce: Even in the worst case you want to keep them stored well in case everyone else with them decides they aren't worth saving and you end up with something rate	[11:52]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I have yet to actually see a quartz automatic outisde of a few questionable seiko examples	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean ?	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	;;google quartz clock	[11:54]
gribble	Quartz clock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; HowStuffWorks "How Quartz Watches Work": ; Quartz Time Only Clock Movements \| Klockit:	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	that thing ?	[11:54]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Seiko has a mechanical powered quartz regulated movement they call "Spring Drive"	[11:54]
BingoBoingo	Seiko also has a mechanically recharged all electric quarts they call kinetic	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	oh oh. yeah some swiss makers actually tried using quartz oscialltors as an error limiter at some point	[11:54]
BingoBoingo	The couple I've seen inherited the worst parts of quartz and mechanical movements.	[11:56]
fluffypony	bounce: http://i.imgur.com/ppkGOKj.jpg	[11:56]
fluffypony	you wouldn't be able to tell any of those are solar panels at a glance	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[11:56]
BingoBoingo	ANd the only I've known of were all made by Japs	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	perhaps resolvable, but i think people just gave up	[11:57]
BingoBoingo	Probably. It is hard to compete with a CR 2032 at anything.	[11:57]
BingoBoingo	I'd like to see more accutron like tuning fork movements though.	[11:58]
BingoBoingo	mechanicaly charged mass regulated would be nearly perfect.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	judging by the excellent results electrostatic speakers show it's a wonder they've not tried that yet actually.	[11:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00099729 = 9.4743 BTC [-] {2}	[11:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It probably goes back to flawed fiat assumptions about costs.	[11:59]
BingoBoingo	I have yet to see anything as beautiful as the original accutron movements.	[12:00]
BingoBoingo	The few I've worked on take 357 batteries though, and that is a lot of silver for a year and a half of function.	[12:01]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: http://www.watchalyzer.com/wp-content/gallery/bulova-accutron/bulova-accutron-214-movement.jpg	[12:03]
fluffypony	I love the exposed resistor	[12:03]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: That is literally the most boring part of the thing.	[12:04]
bounce	wonder how they do white solar panels.	[12:04]
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bounce	on IIRC my watch is a casio instead. hm. doesn't really matter.	[12:04]
fluffypony	bounce: no clue, it's quite impressive that they make it look like a regular watch face	[12:05]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Those two sections wrapped in wire are a tuning fork.	[12:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00099253 = 15.3842 BTC [-] {3}	[12:06]
BingoBoingo	The tuning fork both keeps time and moves the hands	[12:06]
fluffypony	nice	[12:07]
fluffypony	are the batteries hard to come by?	[12:07]
BingoBoingo	Quartz coming later keeps time better, but only keeps time.	[12:07]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Here batteries are easy to find, standard 357s	[12:07]
BingoBoingo	Just, don't try the other kind of 357	[12:07]
fluffypony	they're not badly priced in decent condition	[12:10]
BingoBoingo	Well, decent doesn't say too much... How many people alive can make them sing (I actually, literally mean sing)	[12:12]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: sing by striking the tuning fork?	[12:12]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Not striking, resonating. That's what the coils of copper wire do. It's a fucking watch, not a rail gun.	[12:13]
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fluffypony	although a pocket rail gun would be amazing	[12:13]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[12:13]
fluffypony	a:-P	[12:14]
BingoBoingo	A silver oxide cell would offer the worst possible discharge curve for that purpose though.	[12:15]
BingoBoingo	!up Diablo-D3	[12:15]
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Diablo-D3	thx	[12:15]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: I know people rip on Wikipedia in this chan, but it wouldn't be the worst place to start in understanding how 1950's tech works	[12:16]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: cool will give it a squizzle	[12:17]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Did I ever mention how your presence makes me miss truffles?	[12:20]
fluffypony	hah hah	[12:20]
fluffypony	no you haven't	[12:20]
BingoBoingo	That wasn't an endorsement...	[12:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00099848 = 2.8956 BTC [+]	[12:21]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: this is interesting - http://www.ablogtowatch.com/top-ten-technically-important-watches-from-1950/	[12:23]
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fluffypony	"The movement was, however, used in spacecraft instrument clocks and other time-keeping mechanisms, partly also because NASA was still unsure how gravity would affect mechanical movements."	[12:24]
BingoBoingo	It is amazing how personal timekeeping hasn't had any advancements since 1970, much like how you still seem fluffypony to be the sort that would borrow bitcoin for cheap polyester couches.	[12:25]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[12:25]
fluffypony	why on earth would I borrow money to buy a couch?	[12:26]
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Diablo-D3	lol	[12:27]
fluffypony	bounce: 1972, first solar watch - http://70swatchesgallery.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/synchronar/	[12:29]
fluffypony	actually looks kinda awesome	[12:29]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/	[12:34]
ozbot	Ca tot… s-a tras tot s-a fumat tot s-a baut tot cum e peste tot ? La fel ca peste tot. pe Trilema	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	conference pix etc.	[12:34]
fluffypony	looks like fun - rumour has it next year will be in Argentina?	[12:36]
fluffypony	then South Africa 2016, we can have a Halvening Party and I'll arrange a safari	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	and we halven the lion population ?	[12:38]
fluffypony	that can be arranged, like all things, for a price :-P	[12:39]
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mircea_popescu	Adam Penenberg is such an idiot. o herp, please help along with the grandiose effort of making usg snooping more user-acceptable.	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 why me ?!	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	bounce "the odd dos-only application that's critical to the business and irreplacable" << this should be ridiculous but isn't. most "tools" of today aren't actally as good as the tools of the 90s.	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	bounce:	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	on that note, often manufacturers explicitly forbid to install updates and servicepacks since it might well break the app. << since heartbleed i'm going to forbid any upgrades as part of the contract in all cases, always and forever.	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	from what i hear i'm by no means of a minority oppinion (even if i no longer to that sort of thing on any sort of scale)	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell cgcardona lol is it the first best largest wot ?	[13:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6549 @ 0.0009935 = 6.5064 BTC [-] {2}	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	;;rate jurov 5 Years of promises kept.	[13:09]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 4 to 5.	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	;;rate wao 1 Sold me a large bitcoin.	[13:10]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wao has been recorded.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	;;rate thickasthieves 3 Vegetarian.	[13:11]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thickasthieves has changed from 1 to 3.	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	http://www.fastcompany.com/3029119/most-innovative-companies/tencent-the-secretive-chinese-tech-giant-that-can-rival-facebook-a	[13:16]
ozbot	Tencent: The Secretive, Chinese Tech Giant That Can Rival Facebook and Amazon \| Fast Company \| Busin	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	le derp.	[13:16]
fluffypony	the CEO's name is Pony?	[13:18]
fluffypony	I like him already.	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: in which /r/Bitcoin can't decide whether to spend its ten cents on supersizing the coke or the fries. it's really unfair anyway because if they supersize one they should get the other for free. << FTFY	[13:18]
fluffypony	touché	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	lol coinet srsly ? ALL THESE THINGS nobody ever heard of being the biggest ever in their obscure corner onoes!	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	;;seen mike_c	[13:22]
gribble	mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: plus hard work is its own reward	[13:22]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: that was a typo, was meant to be coinbet	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	i think i typoed it	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, was reading the article. pretty lulzy	[13:23]
fluffypony	I did too in the log	[13:23]
fluffypony	yeah	[13:23]
fluffypony	the scary thing is that they DID get a shitton of media coverage	[13:23]
fluffypony	and gamblers (of all people) trust some random site with no track record	[13:24]
fluffypony	domain registered in fucking December, we're now in April, they barely lasted 4 months of scamming	[13:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0009913 = 3.9652 BTC [-]	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	the way this shit works is, fucktard of the ilk of that byrne fellow figures he knows shit, gets some investors together, anywhere between a few 10s of k's to maybe a million,	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	then blows the whole wad on advertising and freerolls.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	then discovers his ROI is about 3 to 5%	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	then decides to scam the few legit customers he has to return a 1/5 to 1/3 equity to his invesotrs, and story ends there.	[13:27]
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fluffypony	messed up	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/458187310480494593	[13:28]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @ryancharleston Stop being ...	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	a fine example, that idiot.	[13:28]
fluffypony	hah hah	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	"You asked a serious article ? A real investigation ? Here I am here I am!"	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	"Their common ? They both worked at Orange / France Telecom , the first from 2007 to 2011, the second from 2005 to 2011 . They are logically met through this company that pushes people into suicide."	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	ole!	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	"Out of nowhere like a UFO website beegcoin edited by BEEG CORPORATION LIMITED, registered in London and created by young French to be, I think, a huge slap to the ego -centric bitcoin.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	ok this shit's pretty good.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell thickasthieves http://gigaom.com/2014/01/19/on-free-speech-and-blogging-the-first-amendment-applies-to-everyone-not-just-journalists/	[13:30]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony:	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona_: just told that to my wife (she's vegetarian), now she's walking around doing her Plants vs. Zombies impersonation << this woman sounds like she needs a daily vlog.	[13:31]
fluffypony	hah hah	[13:31]
fluffypony	only if we can monetise it	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	what do you care, she's going around doing "grainzzzz" anyway.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	do that for a year, audience builts, then she can prolly start her own eyeliner line	[13:33]
fluffypony	lol	[13:33]
fluffypony	I'll suggest it:)	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, make every woman in south africa wear uncomfortable bras just fore the hell of it	[13:33]
bounce	"journalists not so speshul". funny how that needs a court to tell them journos.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[13:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22086 @ 0.0009913 = 21.8939 BTC [-]	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	artifexd: Put that ink in your printer and make a super sekrit paper wallet. << plain white wallpaper with floral designs that morphs into japanese girls and octopuses once you shine a black light in the dark.	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov: mircea will certainly come soon, maybe after a lil fuck << my fucks are not little.	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	experientia docet.	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: dammit. << that's right rainscamboy! and now it's fucking sunny, chicks be tanning nude in my yard.	[13:39]
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mircea_popescu	jurov: Apocalyptic: imagine world directors talking about important topics whole days wrapped in clouds of smoke << this is shockingly true, i think we smoked a small dog's weight of tobacco	[13:40]
fluffypony	experientia docet? I thought we were against that? :-P	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: I love foosball << davout is fucking criminal at that thing. he beat everyone, single against teams, everything.	[13:41]
fluffypony	docendo discitur, on the other hand...	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	no, fucking is exempt	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	o which reminds me! if any of the esteemed VIPs can repeat either of my two little latin fables, there's a prize!	[13:42]
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mircea_popescu	!up keonne	[13:45]
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mircea_popescu	who was asking about china's political influence a few days ago ? here it is :	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Edourdoo/status/458160399964061696	[13:46]
ozbot	Twitter / Edourdoo: Obama unlikely to win over ...	[13:46]
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bounce	one of things with investor/state extortion thingies in it, innit?	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	bounce hm ?	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#625895	[13:48]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	thats the reference.	[13:48]
bounce	ayup, it does.	[13:49]
bounce	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement	[13:50]
ozbot	Investor-state dispute settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	aha yea	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3: the bot should just be set to autovoice me < nope.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	you should have long by now learned that you're not really worth two shits as you are, and until and unless you change to be more useful.	[13:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0009913 = 9.2191 BTC [-]	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	whoa done with three days' logs! a hero is me.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	ty dear ppls for not having made it TOO difficult >D	[13:59]
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FabianB	Tencent's CEO: "In America, when you bring an idea to market you usually have several months before competition pops up, allowing you to capture significant market share. In China, you can have hundreds of competitors within the first hours of going live. Ideas are not important in China--execution is."	[17:30]
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mircea_popescu	i heard that before	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	"Marketers have created a profile for young urban millennial males with money to burn, but it's hard to believe this creature exists"	[17:35]
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mircea_popescu	justusranvier can i pay you to get off that accursed blogspot thing ?	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	and also pankkake http://bitcoinism.blogspot.ro/2013/12/lex-cryptographia.html b-a material ?	[17:40]
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mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlvuyjFIEAA6mBb.jpg:large	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	uk men be insecure	[17:50]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: wrt making Sybil attacks harder, isn't there/couldn't there be a GPG-like system that uses a common private key for a single owner, but also hash some sort of easily identifiable GUID as part of the pubkey/signature to indicate which machine it is on? that way an attacker's work becomes slightly more complex, as they need to not only create profiles but have a fresh VM/install/whatever for them	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	how are fresh vms difficult ?	[17:53]
fluffypony	they're more difficult	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	they're more difficult for the wrong demographic.	[17:54]
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fluffypony	I suppose	[17:54]
fluffypony	have there been any identified Sybil attacks on the WoT?	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	all the time. i recall stomping one [\] spotted in like... 2012 ?	[17:55]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/report-ebola-suspected-in-europe-broken-through-all-containment-efforts_04202014	[17:57]
ozbot	Report: Ebola Suspected In Europe: "Broken Through All Containment Efforts"	[17:57]
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fluffypony	http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/reop	[17:59]
ozbot	reop - reasonable expectation of privacy	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	"reop is clearly influenced by signify (What can I say? I like my own designs.), but it’s not a clone." done reading there.	[18:02]
fluffypony	skip down to the GPG complaints at the bottom	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	"Holy shit! What kind of toy random number generator is GPG using? Never mind that the message is printed twice. Never mind that both messages flick by before I have half a chance to read them, let alone do anything to entropize my system. “Wiggle the mouse for moar entropies.” I wouldn’t trust a program that prints messages like this to protect my middle school slambook."	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	so guy is an imbecile.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	how's this different from the previous conclusion	[18:03]
fluffypony	yep	[18:04]
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mircea_popescu	!up exchange01	[18:06]
assbot	Voicing exchange01 for 30 minutes.	[18:06]
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fluffypony	"[00:20:08] <~spacenerf> lot of people made PGP'alikes using this shniz, most of which are difficult to deal with/possibly broken on some platforms etc"	[18:06]
fluffypony	that's it in a nutshell	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	here's to hoping that this is the first, biggest and largest exchange	[18:06]
exchange01	can i speak to you in private i am not familar with irc	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony the guy is derping about what "gpg does in 2014" forgetting to even mention what version he's using. because everything in his head was born this year, so obviously...	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	exchange01 you can just say here.	[18:08]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: agreed	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	to not even get in the advanced topics of how 50%+1 of crypto-related specs are broken by design anyway. what sort of argument is this, that package x is bad because it allows user to do something some rfc says should not be done ? blergh.	[18:09]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: but he likes it because it's "his design" and so therefore infallible	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	so who is this guy ? doing an ipo or anything ?	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	insufficiently beaten millenials.	[18:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0010003 = 5.8518 BTC [+] {2}	[18:11]
fluffypony	exchange01: crash course on IRC - you type the words, you press the enter, they come out on the screen	[18:12]
fluffypony	majik	[18:12]
exchange01	fluffypony thank you very much for this introduction, but i am wondering are you certified to say that ? :)	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:13]
exchange01	mircea_popescu are you receiving what im sending u using /msg ?	[18:14]
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fluffypony	exchange01: I have a BIRC from the University of the Internet-pre-1995	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo why is this byrne kid so fixated on the entire personal attack angle ? he told thickashtieves the same thing, yet how the heck would his being clueless a personal attack on me. wtf, i'm not his mother.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	exchange01 i don't hold private conversations with people i don't know. this is kinda the basis of private conversations : the parties must be acquainted.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	speak your business publicly, what is it ?	[18:15]
exchange01	yes	[18:15]
exchange01	its a small exchanger, we are thinking about making an IPO on havelocks	[18:15]
exchange01	and being listed, but I am looking for other options and I've been told about Mpex	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	what's small exchanger mean ?	[18:16]
exchange01	low volume	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	this is still exceedingly vague.	[18:16]
exchange01	I know, well, i am wondering if you guys have any suggestions as you know finding financing for that kind of business is impossible	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	well i dunno man, so far there's not much here to go on. what suggestions are you looking for ?	[18:18]
exchange01	Well, is it possible to get listed on Mpex like dice ?	[18:18]
exchange01	what would be the requirements for that ?	[18:18]
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mircea_popescu	it is possible, in principle.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	;;google requirements to list on mpex	[18:19]
gribble	MPEx - Bitcoin: ; How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPEX Data Access:	[18:19]
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exchange01	i can send you our business plan mircea if you want	[18:20]
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exchange01	business model	[18:20]
fluffypony	;;ident exchange01	[18:21]
gribble	Nick 'exchange01', with hostmask 'exchange01!43cc18ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.204.24.174', is not identified.	[18:21]
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fluffypony	"Credible WOT presence."	[18:21]
fluffypony	exchange01: you need that ^^	[18:21]
exchange01	i need to register ?	[18:22]
exchange01	on irc	[18:22]
fluffypony	exchange01: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide	[18:22]
fluffypony	start there	[18:22]
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fluffypony	register with the WoT, and then build your WoT profile over time	[18:23]
exchange01	;;calc 1 + 1	[18:23]
gribble	2	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	.d	[18:23]
ozbot	6.979 billion \| Next Diff in 1369 blocks \| Estimated Change: 14.8229% in 8d 2h 11m 44s	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	"Likewise, today when a Westerner tells a Lebanese Shiite that he has a separate "ethnicity", he is baffled. Mazhab is not ethnicity, no more than being a democrat in the US would be a different race (although it should be)."	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	lmap	[18:24]
exchange01	ok i will start with that, thank you @mircea and @fluffy	[18:24]
fluffypony	any time :)	[18:24]
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mircea_popescu	"Having spent more than two decades, as an option trader and book-runner (~ 650,000 trades), I have always been leery of inexperienced academics talking about "prediction markets" when we have organic, spontaneously formed markets, and have had them since civilization started --my reaction is that of an old plane engineer and pilot being lectured by a high school English student who never flew a plane. You can't tell t	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	hem what they don't know. "	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	ok, that's me reading all the derpage. ethereum, smart contracts, bla bla.	[18:27]
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mircea_popescu	http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2284964	[18:27]
ozbot	On the Difference between Binary Prediction and True Exposure with Implications for Forecasting Tour	[18:27]
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fluffypony	hah hah - failed attempts at legitimacy 101: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Autonomous_Corporation	[18:30]
fluffypony	they can't even decide what the D stands for	[18:30]
fluffypony	there they say Digital, but in one of the references it says "Distributed Autonomous Corporations (DACs), or Decentralized Autonomous Companies"	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	this bit (taleb) is actually pretty good.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform o check what has a wikipedia article!	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	some obscure shit that was never mentioned anywhere is notable! eleven	[18:31]
fluffypony	"This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations."	[18:32]
fluffypony	heh heh	[18:32]
fluffypony	"Bitcoin itself can be viewed as an early form of DAC. We are generalizing the concept for use in the open source community, building on Bitcoin's proven technology. Bitcoin could be reimplemented as a full open standards-compliant DAC. Perhaps someday it will."	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	i'll borrow the expression from taleb, since i just read it : this shit's not even wrong.	[18:33]
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benkay	generalizing concepts. sounds like someone heard about 'general solutions' from someone else with a lil bit o programmery experience and decided it was important to do for their ideas as well.	[18:34]
benkay	"it's not enough that this is specifically stupid, i'm going to generalize this idiocy to the general case."	[18:34]
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mircea_popescu	benkay that's exactly what happens. someone who was taught in primary school to "guess what words meran in context" instead of being beaten every time he failed to look up new words in the dictionary	[18:35]
FabianB	hmm.. Google can't find Jerusalina	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	grew up into an adult that proceeds on the basis of word recognition	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	that shit makes for excellent consumers and appaling "thinkers"	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	FabianB gotta admit it has a ring to it neh ?	[18:36]
bounce	I think the "jews make up a race according to western languages" premise mostly means the writer is still stuck in wwII-era propaganda.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	bounce the part where early judaism was not tribal, but more akin to today's jehova witnesses is accurate	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	the middle part... that becomes complex	[18:37]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: does it exist or will it be built by you?	[18:38]
bounce	isn't it their creation story that groups them in various tribes, about 12 or so? though to call that a "race" is maybe a bit overly ambitious.	[18:38]
fluffypony	well jews in ancient israel were bound by a common belief, but it was also by birth	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	FabianB it's a play on how would a feminine jerusalem sound like	[18:39]
fluffypony	if you decided to follow the belief but you weren't born of the 12 tribes you weren't a jew	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	bounce we're talking actual history rather than orginal mythology tho	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	otherwise everyone was spawned by the fucking sun god.	[18:39]
bounce	what, you're saying their holy book can possibly be wrong? what malarky is this? :-p	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:40]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: hahaha, was already looking in argentinas pampas for tiny villages :)	[18:40]
fluffypony	bounce is right, though - they self-identified based on the son they were descended from	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	let me put it this way : once judaism became large enough they +m'd the channel.	[18:40]
bounce	this is true. you can get in, but it's not easy.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	FabianB you know the expression, "next year in jerusalem". i just.. well... sexchanged it.	[18:41]
FabianB	hehe	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	but before it was large enough, there was no tribalism. most being... self made jooz.	[18:41]
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bounce	better than islam, where getting in is relatively easy (just learn a book by rote and loud repetition), getting out... carries the death penalty. (literally)	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	islamob.	[18:42]
benkay	;;later tell DiabloD3 lisp > scala.	[18:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:43]
bounce	curious tidbit: there's a reason it's the mother, not the father, that conveys jewishness to the kid. figuring out why should be just a bit of thought.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	isn't this obvious ?	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	redheaded chicks named khannah' being the world's premiere sluts and all ?	[18:43]
bounce	not everyone notices and puts the puzzle together	[18:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065001 = 0.13 BTC [-]	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	he who does not puts ze puzzle together is known as... a putz.	[18:44]
fluffypony	oy vey	[18:44]
fluffypony	(sp?)	[18:44]
benkay	;;later tell BingoBoingo Where as Ruby was born with "lol, suck cocks" << it's more like "lol i suck cocks" but yeah right idea	[18:45]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up Anon29486307	[18:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.51669550 BTC to 6`985 shares, 36030 satoshi per share	[19:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00099964 = 12.1956 BTC [+]	[19:02]
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Oleanie	hello	[19:08]
fluffypony	¡Ola!	[19:10]
benkay	good morning, Oleanie	[19:13]
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thestringpuller	https://keybase.io/ - anyone know about this?	[19:21]
kakobrekla	;;google keybase.io site:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:22]
gribble	NEXT: 17-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; PREV: 28-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 01-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log:	[19:22]
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cgcardona_	top of tha mornin	[19:23]
benkay	thestringpuller: they want your private key. what else do you need to know?	[19:23]
thestringpuller	Wow kakobrekla I just learned something new	[19:23]
thestringpuller	hahahahahahahahahaha	[19:23]
thestringpuller	wow	[19:23]
thestringpuller	i love this channel	[19:23]
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cgcardona_	fwiw I asked Manu Sporny (lead of the W3C Payments Working Group) what he thinks of bitcoin. Q: https://twitter.com/cgcardona/status/457225541284687872 A1: https://twitter.com/manusporny/status/458264859055247360 A2: https://twitter.com/manusporny/status/458265043860455424	[19:25]
benkay	cgcardona_: repeat that line to anyone seeking to 'bring bitcoin to the masses'	[19:26]
benkay	shit's not even worth 500 per.	[19:26]
benkay	;;ticker	[19:26]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 498.4, Best ask: 498.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.32000, Last trade: 498.25, 24 hour volume: 8609.15956762, 24 hour low: 490.0, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.43322806	[19:26]
benkay	see? market agrees.	[19:26]
fluffypony	cgcardona_: I'm reading his name as Manus Porny from now on	[19:28]
benkay	enjoy the con, jurov?	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:31]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 498.02, Best ask: 498.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 498.02, 24 hour volume: 8569.74616032, 24 hour low: 490.0, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.43322806	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	!up fordlincoln	[19:31]
assbot	Voicing fordlincoln for 30 minutes.	[19:31]
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cgcardona_	fluffypony: i figured that we all were :)	[19:32]
cgcardona_	actually i thought it might be M. Anus Porny	[19:33]
cgcardona_		[19:33]
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mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ well... gotta love people who say shit like "it's fundamentals"	[19:34]
cgcardona_	MP - yea I'm never surprised when the leader of a working group predicts something will 'take years'	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 55 @ 0.00580682 = 0.3194 BTC [+] {6}	[19:38]
cgcardona_	"There will be bood"	[19:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17336 @ 0.0009929 = 17.2129 BTC [-] {2}	[19:39]
cgcardona_	I still remember when Hixie was leader of the HTML5 working group and he said it was gonna take till 2019!	[19:40]
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cgcardona_	actually he said 2022	[19:40]
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cgcardona_	I think that (with regards to the W3C) bitcoin's biggest lacking fundimental is that it's not a W3C tech.	[19:43]
benkay	best clubs are small clubs, jurov. i wonder what attendance will be like next year.	[19:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}	[19:46]
cgcardona_	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Regular in (creator of?) #btc-assets	[19:46]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.	[19:46]
fluffypony	cgcardona_: kakobrekla is the channel owner	[19:47]
fluffypony	founder	[19:47]
bounce	http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0749597814000223	[19:47]
cgcardona_	ah ok - I'll uddate	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	yeah i'm just squatting here.	[19:47]
cgcardona_	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Regular in #btc-assets and bitlord	[19:47]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 1.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla just so you know, bitlord is better than world's #1 dad.	[19:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00099584 = 6.7149 BTC [+]	[19:50]
cgcardona_	who is Anduck ? they gave me a -10 on the wot. wot a dick	[19:50]
cgcardona_	that gives me a -6 total. that sucks	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	;;seen Anduck	[19:52]
gribble	Anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: :)	[19:52]
cgcardona_	;;gettrust Anduck	[19:52]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=Anduck \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Anduck \| Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012	[19:52]
bounce	why don't you ask him? op on -otc. could be someone nicksquatted you and he was a little too enthousiastic	[19:52]
cgcardona_	ok	[19:52]
cgcardona_	don't see how someone nicksquatted me - i have it registered w/ nickserv	[19:53]
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bounce	you don't have it set to enforce it, too	[19:53]
bounce	why didn't you get the nick without _ released and use that? you can still do that, by the by.	[19:54]
cgcardona_	you mean that I don't have nickserv set to enforce my nick registration?	[19:55]
fluffypony	nope	[19:55]
fluffypony	you need to /nickserv set enforce on	[19:55]
fluffypony	although WHY that isn't the default on Freenode is beyond me	[19:55]
cgcardona_	so someone has potentially be impersonating me on here?	[19:55]
cgcardona_	that's no good.	[19:55]
cgcardona_	i should check the logs.	[19:55]
bounce	because we're not all -otc lurkers, you know	[19:55]
fluffypony	http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?cgcardona_&&&&&	[19:56]
ozbot	OTC cgcardona_	[19:56]
cgcardona_	holy shit you're right	[19:57]
cgcardona_	someone joining btc-otc as me on 2014-04-20 07:34:38 CDT and 2014-04-20 07:34:24 CDT	[19:57]
fluffypony	adsl-74-177-71-233.gsp.bellsouth.net	[19:57]
cgcardona_	geez that's unbelievable	[19:57]
fluffypony	from there	[19:57]
fluffypony	yeah	[19:57]
cgcardona_	holy shit. fucking people.	[19:57]
fluffypony	looks like they scammed someone too	[19:58]
cgcardona_	so now that I have it set to enforce it will make someone enter my nickserv each time and if not kick them off of my nick?	[19:58]
*	bounce views nickserv as rather fascist already, nevermind nick enforcing. it's the thing to do on here, but, you know. can also argue that with only gribble it'd give more incentive to check with gribble first and foremost, and to accept no substitutes.	[19:58]
fluffypony	yes	[19:58]
fluffypony	well not kick them off, I think it forces a nick change to GuestXXXXX	[19:59]
cgcardona_	fluffypony: thanks for the help. that totally blows.	[19:59]
cgcardona_	but i guess its good that I found out now	[19:59]
fluffypony	yeah, Anduck will remove the negrating once you get hold of him	[19:59]
cgcardona_	hopefully i can work something out w/ Anduck to find out what happened.	[19:59]
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kanzure	you can ghost kill someone squatting on your nick	[19:59]
fluffypony	kanzure: yes, but not if you're not online	[20:00]
bounce	not if you're not on, silly kanzure	[20:00]
fluffypony	heh	[20:00]
kanzure	does this mean i'm dreaming	[20:00]
fluffypony	kanzure: try ghosting yourself as a test :-P	[20:00]
cgcardona_	damn that totally sucks. sheesh	[20:02]
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cgcardona_	gotta find the logs for btc-otc and see what the hell happened on those days.	[20:02]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/an-hero-is-he/	[20:04]
ozbot	An hero is he… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013188 = 0.6594 BTC [-] {4}	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	meh it's not done.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	redoing.	[20:07]
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daybyter	Hi!	[20:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00018578 = 0.1115 BTC [+] {4}	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	hey	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	!up turbo_ac1001	[20:24]
assbot	Voicing turbo_ac1001 for 30 minutes.	[20:24]
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mircea_popescu	turbo_ac1001 you just commented on trilema ?	[20:24]
fluffypony	well now he's distracted reading Persion Folklore	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]	[20:29]
turbo_ac1001	I did	[20:31]
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fluffypony	lol	[20:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00099566 = 40.7225 BTC [-] {2}	[20:31]
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mircea_popescu	MTGOX recovery imminent!	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	da fuck	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	!up turbo_ac100	[20:33]
assbot	Voicing turbo_ac100 for 30 minutes.	[20:33]
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turbo_ac100	thanks	[20:33]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: where'd ya see that?	[20:33]
thestringpuller	ah mircea_popescu returns	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	you may be having a client issue because you got kicked by chanserv.	[20:33]
thestringpuller	rested i see from the exciting conference	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller was great.	[20:33]
turbo_ac100	authed with gribble but assbot doesn't let me !up	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony google drug it up, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAAOAo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointa.lk%2Fthreads%2Fmtgox-recovery-imminent.262429%2Fpage-2&ei=lUNVU87oN8_y7AbTwIH4Ag&usg=AFQjCNGHHKEJtFolkPKq5bnZP0kHSJ_rRA&bvm=bv.65058239,d.ZGU	[20:33]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot turbo_ac100	[20:33]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user turbo_ac100: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=turbo_ac100 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=turbo_ac100 \| Rated since: Thu Apr 3 11:09:50 2014	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 it should. pm it !up	[20:34]
turbo_ac100	trying again (i know right now I'm not authed). There is a flood message I'm gonna reproduce now	[20:34]
fluffypony	"Sure, but a new CEO would suffice to reestablish trust."	[20:34]
fluffypony	l.o.l.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	i vote for danny.	[20:34]
fluffypony	underwritten by Ken Slaughter?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	or shakaru	[20:35]
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turbo_ac100	OF COURSE it works without the flood issues... sigh	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	herp	[20:35]
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thestringpuller	;;ident	[20:36]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None	[20:36]
thestringpuller	man gribble hasn't gotten knocked for several days	[20:36]
turbo_ac100	The manticore still is a lion though.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	;;google "with a vicious streak a mile wide"	[20:37]
gribble	Rabbit of Caerbannog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Tim the Enchanter (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: ; Faced With a Killer Rabbit - Monty Python Page:	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	ye noob of little memeledge.	[20:37]
turbo_ac100	ooooh	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	"when mp is wrong, you've probably misunderstood or neglected something"	[20:38]
thestringpuller	when mp is wrong it's usually on something that doesn't matter	[20:41]
thestringpuller	or he knows when he's wrong and doesn't perpetuate it like da scammaz	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49078984 = 4.4171 BTC [-] {7}	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	or he's just plain old wrong	[20:42]
thestringpuller	lolol	[20:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00481 = 0.1828 BTC [-]	[20:43]
turbo_ac100	So why not the manticore then? #justargumentumecontrariothings	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	i dunno dood, she was wearing a corset so it kinda looked to me like a playboy bunny of yore	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	it's supposed to be a soft joke	[20:43]
thestringpuller	corsets are fancy tho	[20:44]
turbo_ac100	Romanian soft?	[20:44]
thestringpuller	lol	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	howssat ?	[20:45]
thestringpuller	mp doesn't go to many nerd conventions where the girls cosplay in steampunk with corsets galore	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	btw, i kinda have a bet with mpoe-pr as to who shows up here first, asciilifeform or thickasthieves.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	anyone wanna take sides ?	[20:45]
thestringpuller	i dunno corsets are expensive, classy and sexy all at the sametime	[20:45]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform will be first	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	i think so too.	[20:45]
thestringpuller	did TaT go to MP-Con '14 ?	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	ya	[20:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13811 @ 0.00099298 = 13.714 BTC [-] {2}	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	lol i wonder if there exists a secret underground ScamCon	[20:47]
bounce	yes?	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	where do they hold it ? little italy ? nigeria ?	[20:48]
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bounce	well, not so secret. was another "discovery" from some security blogging company or other; buncha roossians had started their own coin	[20:48]
thestringpuller	LOL in nigeria...	[20:48]
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fluffypony	turbo_ac100: maybe we can get #justmanticorethings trending?	[20:50]
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bounce	what was that picture again, of some narco guy's mansion with on the order of 18bn in usd and assorted further currencies in various places, down to simply stacked in a room. one'd think that's enough to buy an underground bunker to store the stuff.	[20:50]
bounce	oh, apparently misremembered, only 207mn usd. still, what's an underground bunker or two cost these days?	[20:52]
*	bounce wonders where the 18bn figure came from.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	bounce 18bn in usd is something like	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 22 * 18000	[20:52]
gribble	396000	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	4mn lbs.	[20:52]
bounce	lbs? what are you, a merkin?	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	fine, 2k tons	[20:53]
turbo_ac100	fluffypony: will try :)	[20:53]
bounce	or about 2 gigagram. give or take.	[20:54]
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bounce	https://imgur.com/a/DYU2e says it's 22bn	[20:55]
ozbot	Mexican Drug Lord home after being raided - Imgur	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	bs	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	that's not "billionz"	[20:57]
fluffypony	there's no way	[20:57]
fluffypony	that is 22bn	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	10 x 34 on the surface, like 60 or so deep	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 10 * 34 * 60000	[20:58]
gribble	20400000	[20:58]
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mircea_popescu	like 200ish mn there.	[20:58]
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fluffypony	207 mil to be exact	[20:59]
fluffypony	nicely calculated	[20:59]
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fluffypony	http://www.businessinsider.com/zhenli-ye-gon-causes-trouble-for-las-vegas-sands-2012-8	[20:59]
ozbot	Zhenli Ye Gon Causes Trouble For Las Vegas Sands - Business Insider	[20:59]
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fluffypony	"A raid of his home in the wealthy neighborhood of Mexico City produced what police described as "the largest single drug cash seizure the world has ever seen." Almost $207 million sat in the house in cash. Seven high-powered firearms were also in the house, the New York Times reported."	[20:59]
bounce	apt, though. consider what happens to reported prices, the so called "street value"	[20:59]
fluffypony	also the third picture is an actual museum	[21:00]
fluffypony	http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/06/18/album/1371516659_231755.html#1371516659_231755_1371517565	[21:00]
fluffypony	so that's just embellishment	[21:00]
fluffypony	also that bit at the end is way wrong	[21:02]
bounce	curiously, a load of stolen garlic got recovered (border agents smelled something), and the value reported sounded like they used wholesale prices, not "supermarket prices".	[21:02]
fluffypony	"$22 billion/[(310 million people)(12 years)(~$5,000/person/year)]=0.0012. $22 billion would meet about 0.12% of the health insurance costs for 12 years. Actual cost would be $18.6 trillion. Health insurance would have to cost $5.91 per person per year for $22 billion to cover everyone for 12 years."	[21:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4132 @ 0.00099584 = 4.1148 BTC [+]	[21:02]
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mircea_popescu	shit mpoe-pr wins	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	!up Shakespeare	[21:02]
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Shakespeare	I signed on just to beat stan	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[21:03]
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Shakespeare	I'm in NJ airport :)	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	nj has an airport ?!	[21:03]
Shakespeare	surprised me too	[21:03]
Shakespeare	it has a retarded ticker too	[21:03]
Shakespeare	ear	[21:03]
Shakespeare	ewr	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	hello sir, here are your ear-wax tickets	[21:04]
Shakespeare	for Newark	[21:04]
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Shakespeare	ewr not ear though	[21:04]
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Shakespeare	just my tablet autocorrect...	[21:04]
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mircea_popescu	!up _aeon	[21:05]
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Shakespeare	so for 9 hours over the ocean guess who I get seated with	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	this bombshell redhead	[21:05]
Shakespeare	poor young tourettes girl	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	no fucking way ?!	[21:06]
Shakespeare	barking and such	[21:06]
Shakespeare	yeah	[21:06]
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mircea_popescu	i never met anyone with actual tourettes.	[21:06]
Shakespeare	it didn't bother me other than sadden me	[21:06]
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Shakespeare	she was embarrassed when it got bad, putting blanket over her face	[21:07]
Duffer1	poor kid	[21:08]
fluffypony	shame man	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	o look who's here. quick someone call teh bitcoin police	[21:10]
davout	:D	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	Shakespeare i still have trouble wrapping my head around the notion.	[21:10]
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mircea_popescu	i mean, i don't actually think that w/e, they're faking it. but it just fails to compute on the intuitive level.	[21:11]
davout	i found france	[21:11]
Shakespeare	for the record, davout lost at least 1.5 games	[21:11]
davout	Shakespeare: i beg your pardon	[21:11]
Shakespeare	its true!	[21:11]
Shakespeare	remember the rules argument?	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	what sort of scam french invincibility is this	[21:11]
Shakespeare	and then later me and someone else won for deals	[21:12]
Shakespeare	realz	[21:12]
davout	Shakespeare: i'm not sure i follow	[21:12]
Shakespeare	that's OK	[21:12]
Shakespeare	this is tat btw	[21:12]
davout	mircea_popescu: i wish to apologize for my rudeness in marking my territory in timisoara repeatedly	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:13]
davout	Shakespeare: was your trip back ok ?	[21:13]
Shakespeare	meh	[21:14]
Shakespeare	see logs	[21:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00461215 = 0.6918 BTC [-] {10}	[21:14]
Shakespeare	I still in NJ too	[21:14]
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Shakespeare	I had to go thru security 3 times once I got to US	[21:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00099058 = 13.3728 BTC [-] {3}	[21:15]
Shakespeare	and check my bags all over again	[21:15]
Shakespeare	good times	[21:15]
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Shakespeare	I did get to hang with ASCII at two airports though	[21:16]
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davout	!up Oleanie	[21:16]
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davout	Shakespeare: gotta love the cavity searches	[21:17]
davout	ftr Oleanie == Fanny	[21:17]
Shakespeare	ah cool	[21:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 28 @ 0.04488566 = 1.2568 BTC [+] {4}	[21:18]
davout	mircea_popescu: the rosé is very nice	[21:18]
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Shakespeare	customs let me keep my champagne btw	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	;;rate Oleanie 1 She rides.	[21:19]
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davout	Shakespeare: cabin luggage ?	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	davout nao you tell her how to gpg yes ?	[21:19]
davout	mircea_popescu: imma explain it all to her a bit later	[21:19]
Shakespeare	I wrapped it in my clothesline my checked baggage	[21:19]
Oleanie	we are drinking ours	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	!b 2	[21:20]
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Shakespeare	lol not clothesline	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	clothesline srsly ?	[21:20]
Shakespeare	autocorrect...	[21:20]
davout	Shakespeare: that's the only way you can get it through	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	davout after you drink it i'll tell you what it cost.	[21:20]
davout	mircea_popescu: it has been drinked	[21:21]
davout	drank/drunk, what is the correct one ?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	Shakespeare it's hysterical because well... wine fermented in the bottle can well explode.	[21:21]
davout	mircea_popescu: Oleanie still has some in her glass	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	but they won't let you take i dunno, lotion. i nevere heard of lotion exploding	[21:21]
Shakespeare	ASCII gave your cabbie a bunch $20 bills this morning. I couldn't tell which of them enjoyed it more	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	davout drunk	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	Shakespeare haha	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	guy definitely enjoys a lot of stuff huh.	[21:22]
davout	Shakespeare mircea_popescu our cab driver started the ride by yelling "Shumacher shumacher!"	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	davout was like... hey, i know you set it up for us to be there in time, but could you cancel it so we go on foot 7 1/2 hours later ?	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	we're from france and so we like to wait uncomfortably in airports	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	it's like... when you come out from under sea, you gotta re-aclimatize to the suck.	[21:23]
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mircea_popescu	7 1/2 hours earlier i mean.	[21:23]
davout	mircea_popescu: naaah, we met mike_c there	[21:24]
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mircea_popescu	o dude.	[21:24]
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davout	we were just 30 min early	[21:25]
davout	i really hate being in a rush	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	mike_c threw me for a fucking loop. cause afaik he was leaving tomorrow, right ? so i had secretary call hotel front desk to sert up lunch, cause i figured... we can do lunch	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	she calls me in a total panic, cause well... he's gone ?! and she suspects the idiot receptionist kicked him out maybne ?	[21:25]
davout	LOL	[21:25]
Shakespeare	lol	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	so you know, i go there like a fucking ride of valkiries screaming all the way from like outside, WHO DUN IT!	[21:26]
Shakespeare	he had some trouble with the time zones :)	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	the girl, bring me the girl	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	so they fetch her and she's completely dumbfounded... guy came, witgh his bags, checked out and left. how is she to know he's not to be allowed to leave ?!	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	but eventually they checked the airline and he was there so. disaster averte	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	d	[21:27]
Shakespeare	dude a pigeon just flew by me	[21:27]
Shakespeare	in the airport	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	did it whistle correctly ?	[21:27]
Shakespeare	fucking NJ	[21:27]
Shakespeare	it was silent	[21:27]
fluffypony	like a bat?	[21:27]
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mircea_popescu	bats aren't silent	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	i can fucking hear them.	[21:28]
fluffypony	thatsthejoke.gif	[21:28]
Shakespeare	like a silent dove but not	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	nojokesallowed.pdf	[21:28]
fluffypony	didyougpgencryptthat.questionmark	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	yes, which is why its spelled questionlark	[21:28]
Shakespeare	karpelesceosuite.exe	[21:28]
fluffypony	Shakespeare: wouldn't it be .php3 ?	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	it would be ===php4	[21:29]
Shakespeare	no cuz its a scam	[21:29]
davout	fluffypony: you'd click it in doubt, and that's the whole point :-)	[21:29]
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Shakespeare	csstml 5	[21:29]
fluffypony	lawl	[21:29]
fluffypony	node.js!	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	i gotta get taleb to write about bitcoin.	[21:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00013091 = 0.2618 BTC [-]	[21:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.02951683 = 0.7379 BTC [-] {8}	[21:30]
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mircea_popescu	quoting for stan's own pleasure :	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	I would like to record here (so people get off my back) that I do not belong to the so-called "Austrian School" of economics, in spite of a few similar positions on bailouts and bottom-up systems. I believe in mathematical statements. But if I were to belong to a school of thought designated by a nationality, the {NATIONALITY} SCHOOL of {DISCIPLINE} it would be the Russian school of probability.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	Members across three generations: P.L. Chebyshev, A.A. Markov, A.M. Lyapunov, S.N. Bernshtein (ie. Bernstein), E.E. Slutskii, N.V. Smirnov, L.N. Bol'shev, V.I. Romanovskii, A.N. Kolmogorov,Yu.V. Linnik, and the new generation: V Petrov, S.V. Nagaev, A.V. Nagaev, A. Shyrayev, etc.	[21:31]
davout	mircea_popescu: he's already tweeted stuff iirc	[21:31]
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mircea_popescu	davout i mean specifically. or to quote again,	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	"Margo I have lived in the theatre as a Trappist monk lives in his faith"	[21:32]
fluffypony	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23l56v/qr_codes_are_dead/	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	"I have no other world, no other life."	[21:32]
ozbot	QR codes are dead : Bitcoin	[21:32]
fluffypony	so apparently the way we should be using Bitcoin	[21:32]
fluffypony	is through Bluetooth LE	[21:32]
fluffypony	and we'll just keep our phones in our pocket	[21:32]
fluffypony	and walk up to the counter	[21:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02913635 = 0.3205 BTC [-] {5}	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	" QR codes have been around and hyped for years, but they were never used as much as developers and marketing people hoped." << truth.	[21:32]
fluffypony	and the cashier will say "PayPal or Bitcoin, sir?"	[21:32]
fluffypony	and we'll say "Bitcoin"	[21:32]
fluffypony	and the money will just magically come off without us needing to authorise it	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	here's a funny story : bar where we watered saturday night, had an advertising above the urinal. on that advertising, aqr code.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	it was unreadable, because the frame covered it.	[21:33]
fluffypony	"No ugly smartphone unlocking, app starting, camera pointing at a fancy QR code. No, all handsfree, how it needs to work."	[21:33]
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cgcardona_	i actually think bitcoin is QR code's killer app	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	!up Shakespeare	[21:33]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: besides, who's sober enough to scan a QR code?	[21:33]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony ikr ?	[21:34]
davout	mircea_popescu: right hand is for the dick, left for the smartphone	[21:34]
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mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ could be, but somehow i doubt it.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	!up JoshG	[21:34]
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mircea_popescu	davout and the balls ?!	[21:34]
davout	mircea_popescu: teh girl	[21:34]
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cgcardona_	also, my 5 year old son is obsessed w/ qr codes. He askes me to scan everyone that we see (yes this could backfire one day). I think people of his generation will find QR codes quite intuitive	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	"my prediction is". da fguck is this shit, "cluster4" is now making "my prediction" ?	[21:35]
davout	nah, in all seriousness, i don't know about you, but i don't piss with my balls	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	people have a lot of difficulty groking that if you're anonymous... there is no property.	[21:35]
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mircea_popescu	there's no "my" in anonimity.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	davout no idea how you can piss with teh girl handling your balls.	[21:35]
davout	mircea_popescu: being anonymous doesn't mean there is no idnentity	[21:35]
davout	mircea_popescu: years of training	[21:35]
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mircea_popescu	davout ne confondre pas anonimite e pseudonimite, i say!	[21:35]
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davout	anonymous, absence of name, not of identity	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	anonymous is absence of identity.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	like, joe schmuck on reddit. is not a person.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	it's not even a thing. it's gas.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	"as it's use is very limited"	[21:37]
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davout	mircea_popescu: i'd say fungibility is the absence of identity, anonymity is the absence of name, but i'm too tipsy on that delicious rosé champagne to even imagine arguing the point properly	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	stupid enough to not realise he can't have a "my" as nobody, clueless enough to fail to distinguish a verb from a possessive. this is reddit.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	davout so argue it tomorrow.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	curious to see how you'll argue cluster4 is not fungible with cluster3 or derpymcherp or w/e.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	this entire shit is backwards. views, which are not fungible, people pretend are in fact fungible. then anons, which are absolutely fungible, people pretend like are not. apparently the web is quite counterintuitive.	[21:41]
davout	mircea_popescu: derps might be fungible as anonymous entities, entities we couldn't care to name, it doesn't really impede their ability to each own a bitcent	[21:43]
davout	brb	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	but that's irrelevant for this discussion innit.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	the opinion of derp1 is exactly equal to the opinion of derp2 inasmuch as we don't know anything about 'em.	[21:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18993 @ 0.00099071 = 18.8166 BTC [+] {2}	[21:46]
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davout	mircea_popescu: yes, but fungibility and anonymity lie in the observer, property lies with the things themselves	[21:52]
bounce	yeah, no. with davout on this one, "anonymity" is lack of a label, not necessarily lack of an underlying identity. on the flip side, you already know what jehova's witnesses will try and tell you without you needing their name, regardless of whether they offer their name. if they do, they're no longer anonymous. it doesn't affect your esteem for what they're trying to tell you.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	http://www.lambiek.net/artists/image/m/mas_r/mas_pifou_pg6904.jpg	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	davout the fact that the person "deep down" "twu wuvs" you is immaterial.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	for all you know pet rocks have distinct personalities.	[21:52]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: looks like I lost the bet	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	aye.	[21:53]
thestringpuller	:(	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	bounce anon jehova's witnesses are not people.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	to personalize they need to de-jehova-witnessize for you, before you.	[21:53]
davout	derp1 and derp2 might be fungible from our pov, but derp1 can still own 1 btc while derp2 owns 2	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[21:54]
bounce	not to you. inside their own circles their worth is measured by their zeal.	[21:54]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: there's an H on end	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	but what happens inside the pet rock is uninteresting in this discussion.	[21:54]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony yeah k.	[21:54]
davout	mircea_popescu: it is, because knowledge of different informations translates directly to ownership, or non-ownership of bitcoins for example	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	unless and untill this becomes transpared to you it is immaterial.	[21:55]
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mircea_popescu	after it becomes transparent to you, it already broke that anonimity.	[21:55]
bounce	soldiers are cannon fodder to you, individuals to themselves and their bosses. look, they even wear name tags.	[21:56]
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mircea_popescu	but what they are, for as long as they DON	[21:56]
thestringpuller	;;seen mod6	[21:56]
gribble	mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: $vwap s.mpoe	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	T wear dogtags, is fungible gas.	[21:56]
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mircea_popescu	"A 43-year-old programmer who helped set in motion a class-action lawsuit against the companies and became one of its five class representatives will not be present in the San Jose courtroom. He was shot and killed by the police last December."	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	funny how accidents work.	[21:57]
bounce	very funny indeed	[21:58]
davout	i don't think that my ability to distinguish derps is really related to their ability to own stuff, it is not necessary for me to be able to know they are able to destroy a bitcoin for them to actually be able to destroy a bitcoin	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	davout your ability to distinguish derps is however central to their ability to exist.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	you can be bios, but you can not be zoon unrecognised.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	so yes, animals they can be. people however, they can not be, unless recognised.	[21:59]
bounce	there's this conflation of "person" to mean "someone who matters (to me)", which is highly viewpoint-dependent. your basic definition appears to be "someone who matters in the bitcoin sphere and can be trusted not to fsck up (too badly)". might need a suitable word for that.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	bounce it merely means "someone who can be distinguished from the others"	[22:00]
davout	what you're saying is pretty much that derps exist in a quantum superposition of owning, and not-owning stuff, and that their actual ownership resolves when i actually observe, aka measure them	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	which reduces to "someone who could, in principle, matter"	[22:01]
davout	right?	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	because the undistinguishable can't ever matter, by definition.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	davout pretty good approach yeah	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	speaking of "different" derps is like speaking of photons as billiard balls.	[22:01]
davout	that is true if you consider that everything that matters is only what you have knowledge of	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	perhaps an excusable approximation in some narrow cases, but wrong in principle.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	davout everythint that matters is only what COULD BE HAD knowledge of.	[22:02]
bounce	``In ancient Rome, the word "persona" (Latin) or "prosopon" ([...]: Greek) originally referred to the masks worn by actors on stage.'' --wikipedia	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	bounce fun fact... that yielded romanian prosop, which means... towel.	[22:02]
bounce	those come in handy hitchhiking	[22:02]
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bounce	anyway that doesn't help much, since "distinguishing from the others" implies a yardstick, that in turn is a choice bound by context	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	not so.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	yardstick is a matter of measuring, and thus relegated to quantitative discussions. we're discussing qualitative matters here.	[22:05]
bounce	we're measuring the quality. when is someone a person? whether the scale is actually countable is immaterial.	[22:06]
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bounce	s/is countable/has countable subdivisions/	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[22:06]
bounce	you still end up with two ends of a stick. "person", "not a person"	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	how are these ends of a stick ? there's no continuum	[22:07]
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bounce	or sides. you can discern both states, even if the distance between them is infinitesmal and only exists as an idea to boot	[22:09]
bounce	when's the liquour strong enough? well, if it's over $strength. something like that.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	let's try a different tack. you know what a cog is. you also know what a sphere is.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	good anonimity, just like good sphericity, relies on not being a cog. at all.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	conversely, good cogicity, just like good personhood, relies on not being a sphere. at all.	[22:10]
davout	bounce: the way i understand the argument is that ownership is akin to the state of an electron, until you observe it exists in a superposition of states, it can only have a state when you observe it	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	now, this does not reduce to "liquor being strong ENOUGH"	[22:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.02838964 = 0.5394 BTC [-] {10}	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	it reduces to being liquour or oil.	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	good oil is not alcohol. good alcohol is not oil.	[22:11]
davout	speaking of which i'm on way to pop the second bottle, please disregard all my further comments	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	there's no serious consideration of an oil-alcohol mixture being "storng enough", as you won't drink vodka-canoia oil cocktails	[22:12]
bounce	disagree. it'd mean that the only good person be a totally non-anonymous person, so, real personhood is only open to, say, obama. or dubya.	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	bounce actually, misplaced shards of anonimity ruin personhood. which is why i keep having to ask derps posing as ceos here "who's we".	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	conversely, misplaced shards of personhood ruin anonimity. such as w/e, silk road guy.	[22:14]
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mircea_popescu	"Now academics learn to take a paper or a class of papers, imitate the style, the organization; copy the phraseology, discuss the historical literature and find some wrinkle on the problem that makes it look like a contribution. This is what tends to be published, and this is what seems to be "original". And these works never survive the author."	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	because someone somewhere in a bureaucracy figured it's a good idea to fucking industrialise research.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	may he never rest.	[22:19]
bounce	guy posing as "CEO" claiming to have lots of minions needs a good team. since claim made, up to him to back it up. that's not quite the same as requiring to know his every move or his every thought.	[22:20]
bounce	s/back it up/&, show he has such a team/ etc. bit forgetful with the details today	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	nobody requires to know his every move or thought in any sense.	[22:21]
bounce	that's be implied through "total non-anonymity" though	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	only iyo.	[22:21]
bounce	no. hence the conflation.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	the criteria is good wot relations, not "knowing their every thought"	[22:22]
bounce	I'm not disagreeing with what you're trying to say, just that the terminology could stand improvement.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	the devil himself knows not the thought of man	[22:22]
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bounce	(yet god knows every thought of the devil's, and being a good little god... lets him be?)	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	if god actually knew every thought of the devil, he'd have not been surprised.	[22:23]
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mircea_popescu	god'd like to. but tis impossible, inasmuch as the devil is human, and god is not that good.	[22:23]
bounce	you're saying the poor devil is unoriginal?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	i am saying that the poor god is incapable.	[22:23]
bounce	oh well. AIUI paradise lost would beg to differ. haven't gotten around to actually reading the thing.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	how's it differ ?	[22:24]
bounce	anyway, "good wot relations" means that you've met and dealt with a number of other people, and gathered their esteem, and in doing so gathered a total esteem enough to be deemed worthy of the community as a whole.	[22:25]
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bounce	"liqour strong enough" if you will	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	understanding rather than esteem. the people you've dealt with are marks you may be recognised by.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	in no sense is this a numeric problem,	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	which is why no numeric methods work for this task.	[22:26]
bounce	and every user has a differend yardstick, making the whole thing subjective to use.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	two hours ago i said i suspect i'm weeks away from a major breakthrough in economics.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	i think this discussion shaved a week off.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	bounce im not sure you have a usable definition of subjective in mind.	[22:27]
bounce	also more or less saved me having to do a write-up	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	if it's the kneejerk "not usg diddled" then might as well discard it.	[22:27]
bounce	"subjective" as every user of the wot looking to form an opinion on some other user of the wot does so as he deems good, mayhaps taking into account that raters will also use their own criteria to rate with.	[22:30]
bounce	s/as /as in /	[22:30]
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mircea_popescu	so inasmuch as good is done, this is optimal not subjective.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	if he looked to do what he felt like it could have been subjective, as a proxy for aesthetic i guess.	[22:30]
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bounce	what I mean is that even if the outcome is roughly the same for different onlookers, their conclusions are (supposedly) their own; like how you notice that there's no intl. standard of interpreting ratings. nor should there be.	[22:31]
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mircea_popescu	which is ultimately why no numerical approach.	[22:32]
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bounce	you could still try and throw statistics at it, but that doesn't change the underlying subjectivity	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	are you using "subjectivity" merely to note the fact that the numeric method does not apply ?	[22:33]
bounce	hmno.	[22:35]
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bounce	WOT ratings can well mean different things to you and me. they're not even ment to be used "objectively", ie in a manner independent of people's opinions.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	give me an example of such an objectively.	[22:39]
bounce	an objective measure? a metre, standard the world over.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	enacted by ?	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	worst possible fucking example.	[22:40]
bounce	whether I take a tape measure to $derp or you do it, when done correctly we both will conclude the guy's length to be $whatever. that'd be objective. we both look at his WOT ratings, we might well draw different conclusions on the same data.	[22:42]
bounce	we could devise a "standard" scoring test for WOT ratings and still draw differing conclusions based on what we see	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	this is more akin to you using inches and me using cm.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	both of these "objectively" examples you provide strictly adhere to your definition of subjectivity,	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	they exist as a result of people's opinions.	[22:43]
bounce	er? I gave one objective and one subjective example?	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	an objective measure? a metre, standard the world over. < 1 ; whether I take a tape measure to $derp or you do it, when done correctly we both will conclude the guy's length to be $whatever. < 2	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	your "done corectly" is there precisely because you too know this :	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	god help us if our opinions of these subjectives do not agree.	[22:45]
bounce	both're objective; I don't need a judgement call here, I look at the tape measure.	[22:46]
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mircea_popescu	but you need a judgement call for the tape measure to exist in the first place.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	you seem to be roughly in the position of the slave who says his master's will is divine in nature, because it's outside of his reach.	[22:47]
bounce	eh, I think we're past that. I can put three lava lamps on a table and count them. you'll count three too. no feels or beliefs involved. even if our counting system is ultimately arbitrary in it existence	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	while outside of his reach it may well be, his master's just another guy.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	so numbers are your standard of objectivity, but then when i ask you are you using "subjectivity" merely to note the fact that the numeric method does not apply ? you say no.	[22:48]
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bounce	well, what is "the numeric method"? I can devise and use a system of numeric scales based on how much I feel I know about someone else.	[22:50]
bounce	the end result to that would still be subjective. someone else might well feel a different way.	[22:50]
davout	meanwhile, in timisoara : http://i.imgur.com/kBnMktn.jpg	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:54]
davout	!up Oleanie	[22:55]
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Oleanie	i love this one ^^	[22:55]
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mircea_popescu	hello kitty	[22:56]
bounce	curious how that thing is such a stayer. as an antidote: http://web.archive.org/web/20010221014629/http://www.gci-net.com/users/w/wildeman/Sanrio.txt	[22:56]
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davout	bounce: stopped after chapter one	[23:01]
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mircea_popescu	mkay, so i'm writing a seminal, major and epic work called "a complete theory of economics".	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	sadly this has to start by my translating three older romanian articles, but c'est la vie.	[23:20]
bounce	so, google translate work better straight to english or via french or/and latin first?	[23:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00099521 = 15.2267 BTC [+]	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't work at sall unless you're after humor.	[23:24]
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jborkl	hehe you said semen	[23:35]
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fluffypony	jborkl: semen-all	[23:37]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I dunno why the dude reverts to assuming personal attacks other than maybe the one sided blindess impressed upon the legal profession.	[23:38]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: when do we get _Trilema: The Book_	[23:49]
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fluffypony	http://imgur.com/a/NEHRT	[23:52]
ozbot	13 Hilarious and Sexist Dating Tips From 1938. - Imgur	[23:52]
fluffypony	oh the 30s	[23:52]
-rithm-	http://imgur.com/VTBX0dg	[23:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4720 @ 0.00099439 = 4.6935 BTC [-]	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	rithm lol	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	wait wut! cheating of voice!	[23:57]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	!up rithm	[23:57]
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rithm	be vewwwwy kwiet. im hunting wabbits	[23:58]
rithm	but this though: http://imgur.com/VTBX0dg	[23:58]

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