Forum logs for 21 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu goood morning everyone! [11:34]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell bitcoinpete When you asked about a line betting operation did the tweet I offered convey enough info? [11:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Morning [11:34]
BingoBoingo How was the conference? [11:35]
mircea_popescu pretty great! [11:35]
mircea_popescu gonna put some pix up once i go through my mail and stuff [11:35]
BingoBoingo Nice. [11:36]
mircea_popescu how was the chan meanwhile ? [11:36]
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BingoBoingo Slow [11:36]
BingoBoingo I ended up travelling just a little bit this weekend. [11:36]
Diablo-D3 [04:31:43] I no longer have nickel cadmium batteries [11:36]
Diablo-D3 [04:32:16] I'd like to no longer have LI-ION batteries [11:36]
Diablo-D3 eventually we wont [11:36]
Diablo-D3 graphene supercaps [11:36]
mircea_popescu o look who's here. didja find france alright davout ? [11:36]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 afaik graphene is still a ways off. [11:37]
BingoBoingo Diablo-D3: Actually I am hoping for a revival and enhancement of Silver-Zinc batteries [11:37]
mircea_popescu did that byrne kid ever manage to find his way here ? [11:38]
BingoBoingo ? [11:38]
BingoBoingo The logs are sparse the past couple days, so I doubt many newcomers... [11:39]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: in the next five years, graphene supercaps will become a commercial reality [11:39]
Diablo-D3 they already have semi-functioning prototypes [11:40]
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Diablo-D3 their big problem right now is that they're so energy dense, they're hard to handle [11:40]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 i bet you that i won't be able to buy a graphene supercap battery at a convenience store in 2019. [11:40]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: well, no, you wouldnt [11:40]
Diablo-D3 that'd be nonsensical [11:40]
mircea_popescu ... [11:41]
BingoBoingo If they were there I dunno that I would want to buy them [11:41]
mircea_popescu well whatever, radioshack [11:41]
Diablo-D3 that'd be like buying a li-ion battery at a store [11:41]
Diablo-D3 you dont [11:41]
Diablo-D3 you need the safety mechanism so you dont kill yourself [11:41]
mircea_popescu some sort of consumer accessible outlet [11:41]
Diablo-D3 Im surprised, btw, alkalines are even made anymore [11:41]
Diablo-D3 they're old hat [11:41]
BingoBoingo ... Usually I buy lithium batteries at the store, Li-ion, LI-polymer and otherwise [11:41]
mircea_popescu ^ [11:42]
Diablo-D3 I put lithiums in anything that a regchargable is inappropriate for [11:42]
Diablo-D3 like, devices that stay continuously powered more than 2 years, or go outside, or are clocks, etc [11:42]
BingoBoingo I have yet to see a Lithium 364 button cell [11:42]
fluffypony alkalines are still available here - just yesterday I had to buy some AAs and got to choose between alkalines, lithiums, and nimh rechargeables [11:42]
Diablo-D3 I use lsd nimhs in all.... two devices that need batteries [11:43]
Diablo-D3 well, that arent clocks or continuous long term shit [11:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform needed some batteries for his demo yest, i had the maitre d' scare up some batteries, he came back with two alkalines [11:43]
Diablo-D3 my harmony remote, and my ti-89 [11:43]
Diablo-D3 thats _it_ [11:43]
Diablo-D3 I have nothing that uses batteries anymore [11:44]
Diablo-D3 the two clocks and the temp sensors use lithiums for obvious reasons [11:44]
BingoBoingo I own more watches than other battery powered devices, but of the ones that don't operate on mechanical energy, solver oxide cells are the most prevalent. [11:45]
bounce what, no automatics? [11:45]
Diablo-D3 bounce: nope [11:46]
BingoBoingo bounce: Automatics use mechanical energy [11:46]
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BingoBoingo The rotor winds the spring [11:46]
bounce right. what was the electrical equivalent, 'kinetic' or something? [11:46]
fluffypony davout: bonjour [11:46]
fluffypony bounce: yeah, Seiko had "kinetic" [11:46]
fluffypony Citizen has solar [11:47]
BingoBoingo bounce: Kinetic is the seiko term, other manufacterers use different names because trademarks. That is for electrical charging by those means though. [11:47]
BingoBoingo Seiko still makes proper mechanical automatic movements though. [11:48]
bounce kid in school had a solar, very sparse design. just even matte background for the face, which also was the solar panel only you'd not notice. [11:48]
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fluffypony bounce: I have 3 Citizen solars [11:49]
fluffypony lemme take photo [11:49]
BingoBoingo The sun's overrated. I'd kind of prefer an all tritium powered watch [11:49]
bounce used to have a... citizen? automatic. need fixing though, in the end it was off by half an hour a day. should've gotten it fixed while still in warranty. silly me. [11:50]
BingoBoingo Oh [11:50]
BingoBoingo bounce: It really depends on the particular watch whether it is worth saving or not. [11:51]
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mircea_popescu quartzes rarely are. [11:52]
BingoBoingo bounce: Even in the worst case you want to keep them stored well in case everyone else with them decides they aren't worth saving and you end up with something rate [11:52]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I have yet to actually see a quartz automatic outisde of a few questionable seiko examples [11:52]
mircea_popescu what do you mean ? [11:53]
mircea_popescu ;;google quartz clock [11:54]
gribble Quartz clock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; HowStuffWorks "How Quartz Watches Work": ; Quartz Time Only Clock Movements | Klockit: [11:54]
mircea_popescu that thing ? [11:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seiko has a mechanical powered quartz regulated movement they call "Spring Drive" [11:54]
BingoBoingo Seiko also has a mechanically recharged all electric quarts they call kinetic [11:54]
mircea_popescu oh oh. yeah some swiss makers actually tried using quartz oscialltors as an error limiter at some point [11:54]
BingoBoingo The couple I've seen inherited the worst parts of quartz and mechanical movements. [11:56]
fluffypony bounce: [11:56]
fluffypony you wouldn't be able to tell any of those are solar panels at a glance [11:56]
mircea_popescu exactly. [11:56]
BingoBoingo ANd the only I've known of were all made by Japs [11:56]
mircea_popescu perhaps resolvable, but i think people just gave up [11:57]
BingoBoingo Probably. It is hard to compete with a CR 2032 at anything. [11:57]
BingoBoingo I'd like to see more accutron like tuning fork movements though. [11:58]
BingoBoingo mechanicaly charged mass regulated would be nearly perfect. [11:58]
mircea_popescu judging by the excellent results electrostatic speakers show it's a wonder they've not tried that yet actually. [11:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00099729 = 9.4743 BTC [-] {2} [11:59]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It probably goes back to flawed fiat assumptions about costs. [11:59]
BingoBoingo I have yet to see anything as beautiful as the original accutron movements. [12:00]
BingoBoingo The few I've worked on take 357 batteries though, and that is a lot of silver for a year and a half of function. [12:01]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: [12:03]
fluffypony I love the exposed resistor [12:03]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: That is literally the most boring part of the thing. [12:04]
bounce wonder how they do white solar panels. [12:04]
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bounce on IIRC my watch is a casio instead. hm. doesn't really matter. [12:04]
fluffypony bounce: no clue, it's quite impressive that they make it look like a regular watch face [12:05]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: Those two sections wrapped in wire are a tuning fork. [12:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00099253 = 15.3842 BTC [-] {3} [12:06]
BingoBoingo The tuning fork both keeps time and moves the hands [12:06]
fluffypony nice [12:07]
fluffypony are the batteries hard to come by? [12:07]
BingoBoingo Quartz coming later keeps time better, but only keeps time. [12:07]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Here batteries are easy to find, standard 357s [12:07]
BingoBoingo Just, don't try the other kind of 357 [12:07]
fluffypony they're not badly priced in decent condition [12:10]
BingoBoingo Well, decent doesn't say too much... How many people alive can make them sing (I actually, literally mean sing) [12:12]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: sing by striking the tuning fork? [12:12]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: Not striking, resonating. That's what the coils of copper wire do. It's a fucking watch, not a rail gun. [12:13]
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fluffypony although a pocket rail gun would be amazing [12:13]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [12:13]
fluffypony a:-P [12:14]
BingoBoingo A silver oxide cell would offer the worst possible discharge curve for that purpose though. [12:15]
BingoBoingo !up Diablo-D3 [12:15]
assbot Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes. [12:15]
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Diablo-D3 thx [12:15]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: I know people rip on Wikipedia in this chan, but it wouldn't be the worst place to start in understanding how 1950's tech works [12:16]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: cool will give it a squizzle [12:17]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: Did I ever mention how your presence makes me miss truffles? [12:20]
fluffypony hah hah [12:20]
fluffypony no you haven't [12:20]
BingoBoingo That wasn't an endorsement... [12:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00099848 = 2.8956 BTC [+] [12:21]
fluffypony BingoBoingo: this is interesting - [12:23]
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fluffypony "The movement was, however, used in spacecraft instrument clocks and other time-keeping mechanisms, partly also because NASA was still unsure how gravity would affect mechanical movements." [12:24]
BingoBoingo It is amazing how personal timekeeping hasn't had any advancements since 1970, much like how you still seem fluffypony to be the sort that would borrow bitcoin for cheap polyester couches. [12:25]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [12:25]
fluffypony why on earth would I borrow money to buy a couch? [12:26]
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Diablo-D3 lol [12:27]
fluffypony bounce: 1972, first solar watch - [12:29]
fluffypony actually looks kinda awesome [12:29]
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mircea_popescu [12:34]
ozbot Ca tot… s-a tras tot s-a fumat tot s-a baut tot cum e peste tot ? La fel ca peste tot. pe Trilema [12:34]
mircea_popescu conference pix etc. [12:34]
fluffypony looks like fun - rumour has it next year will be in Argentina? [12:36]
fluffypony then South Africa 2016, we can have a Halvening Party and I'll arrange a safari [12:37]
mircea_popescu and we halven the lion population ? [12:38]
fluffypony that can be arranged, like all things, for a price :-P [12:39]
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mircea_popescu Adam Penenberg is such an idiot. o herp, please help along with the grandiose effort of making usg snooping more user-acceptable. [13:00]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 why me ?! [13:02]
mircea_popescu bounce "the odd dos-only application that's critical to the business and irreplacable" << this should be ridiculous but isn't. most "tools" of today aren't actally as good as the tools of the 90s. [13:03]
mircea_popescu bounce: [13:05]
mircea_popescu on that note, often manufacturers explicitly forbid to install updates and servicepacks since it might well break the app. << since heartbleed i'm going to forbid any upgrades as part of the contract in all cases, always and forever. [13:05]
mircea_popescu from what i hear i'm by no means of a minority oppinion (even if i no longer to that sort of thing on any sort of scale) [13:05]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell cgcardona lol is it the first best largest wot ? [13:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6549 @ 0.0009935 = 6.5064 BTC [-] {2} [13:08]
mircea_popescu ;;rate jurov 5 Years of promises kept. [13:09]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 4 to 5. [13:09]
mircea_popescu ;;rate wao 1 Sold me a large bitcoin. [13:10]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wao has been recorded. [13:10]
mircea_popescu ;;rate thickasthieves 3 Vegetarian. [13:11]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thickasthieves has changed from 1 to 3. [13:11]
mircea_popescu [13:16]
ozbot Tencent: The Secretive, Chinese Tech Giant That Can Rival Facebook and Amazon | Fast Company | Busin [13:16]
mircea_popescu le derp. [13:16]
fluffypony the CEO's name is Pony? [13:18]
fluffypony I like him already. [13:18]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: in which /r/Bitcoin can't decide whether to spend its ten cents on supersizing the coke or the fries. it's really unfair anyway because if they supersize one they should get the other for free. << FTFY [13:18]
fluffypony touché [13:20]
mircea_popescu lol coinet srsly ? ALL THESE THINGS nobody ever heard of being the biggest ever in their obscure corner onoes! [13:20]
mircea_popescu ;;seen mike_c [13:22]
gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: plus hard work is its own reward [13:22]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: that was a typo, was meant to be coinbet [13:23]
mircea_popescu i think i typoed it [13:23]
mircea_popescu anyway, was reading the article. pretty lulzy [13:23]
fluffypony I did too in the log [13:23]
fluffypony yeah [13:23]
fluffypony the scary thing is that they DID get a shitton of media coverage [13:23]
fluffypony and gamblers (of all people) trust some random site with no track record [13:24]
fluffypony domain registered in fucking December, we're now in April, they barely lasted 4 months of scamming [13:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0009913 = 3.9652 BTC [-] [13:26]
mircea_popescu the way this shit works is, fucktard of the ilk of that byrne fellow figures he knows shit, gets some investors together, anywhere between a few 10s of k's to maybe a million, [13:26]
mircea_popescu then blows the whole wad on advertising and freerolls. [13:27]
mircea_popescu then discovers his ROI is about 3 to 5% [13:27]
mircea_popescu then decides to scam the few legit customers he has to return a 1/5 to 1/3 equity to his invesotrs, and story ends there. [13:27]
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fluffypony messed up [13:28]
mircea_popescu [13:28]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @ryancharleston Stop being ... [13:28]
mircea_popescu a fine example, that idiot. [13:28]
fluffypony hah hah [13:28]
mircea_popescu "You asked a serious article ? A real investigation ? Here I am here I am!" [13:29]
mircea_popescu "Their common ? They both worked at Orange / France Telecom , the first from 2007 to 2011, the second from 2005 to 2011 . They are logically met through this company that pushes people into suicide." [13:29]
mircea_popescu ole! [13:29]
mircea_popescu "Out of nowhere like a UFO website beegcoin edited by BEEG CORPORATION LIMITED, registered in London and created by young French to be, I think, a huge slap to the ego -centric bitcoin. [13:30]
mircea_popescu ok this shit's pretty good. [13:30]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell thickasthieves [13:30]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:30]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: [13:31]
mircea_popescu cgcardona_: just told that to my wife (she's vegetarian), now she's walking around doing her Plants vs. Zombies impersonation << this woman sounds like she needs a daily vlog. [13:31]
fluffypony hah hah [13:31]
fluffypony only if we can monetise it [13:31]
mircea_popescu what do you care, she's going around doing "grainzzzz" anyway. [13:32]
mircea_popescu do that for a year, audience builts, then she can prolly start her own eyeliner line [13:33]
fluffypony lol [13:33]
fluffypony I'll suggest it:) [13:33]
mircea_popescu or w/e, make every woman in south africa wear uncomfortable bras just fore the hell of it [13:33]
bounce "journalists not so speshul". funny how that needs a court to tell them journos. [13:35]
mircea_popescu indeed. [13:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22086 @ 0.0009913 = 21.8939 BTC [-] [13:37]
mircea_popescu artifexd: Put that ink in your printer and make a super sekrit paper wallet. << plain white wallpaper with floral designs that morphs into japanese girls and octopuses once you shine a black light in the dark. [13:37]
mircea_popescu jurov: mircea will certainly come soon, maybe after a lil fuck << my fucks are not little. [13:38]
mircea_popescu experientia docet. [13:38]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: dammit. << that's right rainscamboy! and now it's fucking sunny, chicks be tanning nude in my yard. [13:39]
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mircea_popescu jurov: Apocalyptic: imagine world directors talking about important topics whole days wrapped in clouds of smoke << this is shockingly true, i think we smoked a small dog's weight of tobacco [13:40]
fluffypony experientia docet? I thought we were against that? :-P [13:40]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: I love foosball << davout is fucking criminal at that thing. he beat everyone, single against teams, everything. [13:41]
fluffypony docendo discitur, on the other hand... [13:41]
mircea_popescu no, fucking is exempt [13:41]
mircea_popescu o which reminds me! if any of the esteemed VIPs can repeat either of my two little latin fables, there's a prize! [13:42]
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mircea_popescu who was asking about china's political influence a few days ago ? here it is : [13:45]
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ozbot Twitter / Edourdoo: Obama unlikely to win over ... [13:46]
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bounce one of things with investor/state extortion thingies in it, innit? [13:47]
mircea_popescu bounce hm ? [13:47]
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ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [13:48]
mircea_popescu thats the reference. [13:48]
bounce ayup, it does. [13:49]
bounce [13:50]
ozbot Investor-state dispute settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [13:50]
mircea_popescu aha yea [13:52]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3: the bot should just be set to autovoice me < nope. [13:57]
mircea_popescu you should have long by now learned that you're not really worth two shits as you are, and until and unless you change to be more useful. [13:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0009913 = 9.2191 BTC [-] [13:58]
mircea_popescu whoa done with three days' logs! a hero is me. [13:59]
mircea_popescu ty dear ppls for not having made it TOO difficult >D [13:59]
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FabianB Tencent's CEO: "In America, when you bring an idea to market you usually have several months before competition pops up, allowing you to capture significant market share. In China, you can have hundreds of competitors within the first hours of going live. Ideas are not important in China--execution is." [17:30]
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mircea_popescu i heard that before [17:32]
mircea_popescu "Marketers have created a profile for young urban millennial males with money to burn, but it's hard to believe this creature exists" [17:35]
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mircea_popescu justusranvier can i pay you to get off that accursed blogspot thing ? [17:39]
mircea_popescu and also pankkake b-a material ? [17:40]
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mircea_popescu [17:50]
mircea_popescu uk men be insecure [17:50]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: wrt making Sybil attacks harder, isn't there/couldn't there be a GPG-like system that uses a common private key for a single owner, but also hash some sort of easily identifiable GUID as part of the pubkey/signature to indicate which machine it is on? that way an attacker's work becomes slightly more complex, as they need to not only create profiles but have a fresh VM/install/whatever for them [17:52]
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mircea_popescu how are fresh vms difficult ? [17:53]
fluffypony they're more difficult [17:53]
mircea_popescu they're more difficult for the wrong demographic. [17:54]
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fluffypony I suppose [17:54]
fluffypony have there been any identified Sybil attacks on the WoT? [17:54]
mircea_popescu all the time. i recall stomping one [\] spotted in like... 2012 ? [17:55]
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ozbot Report: Ebola Suspected In Europe: "Broken Through All Containment Efforts" [17:57]
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fluffypony [17:59]
ozbot reop - reasonable expectation of privacy [17:59]
mircea_popescu "reop is clearly influenced by signify (What can I say? I like my own designs.), but it’s not a clone." done reading there. [18:02]
fluffypony skip down to the GPG complaints at the bottom [18:02]
mircea_popescu "Holy shit! What kind of toy random number generator is GPG using? Never mind that the message is printed twice. Never mind that both messages flick by before I have half a chance to read them, let alone do anything to entropize my system. “Wiggle the mouse for moar entropies.” I wouldn’t trust a program that prints messages like this to protect my middle school slambook." [18:03]
mircea_popescu so guy is an imbecile. [18:03]
mircea_popescu how's this different from the previous conclusion [18:03]
fluffypony yep [18:04]
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mircea_popescu !up exchange01 [18:06]
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fluffypony "[00:20:08] <~spacenerf> lot of people made PGP'alikes using this shniz, most of which are difficult to deal with/possibly broken on some platforms etc" [18:06]
fluffypony that's it in a nutshell [18:06]
mircea_popescu here's to hoping that this is the first, biggest and largest exchange [18:06]
exchange01 can i speak to you in private i am not familar with irc [18:07]
mircea_popescu fluffypony the guy is derping about what "gpg does in 2014" forgetting to even mention what version he's using. because everything in his head was born this year, so obviously... [18:07]
mircea_popescu exchange01 you can just say here. [18:08]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: agreed [18:08]
mircea_popescu to not even get in the advanced topics of how 50%+1 of crypto-related specs are broken by design anyway. what sort of argument is this, that package x is bad because it allows user to do something some rfc says should not be done ? blergh. [18:09]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: but he likes it because it's "his design" and so therefore infallible [18:10]
mircea_popescu so who is this guy ? doing an ipo or anything ? [18:11]
mircea_popescu insufficiently beaten millenials. [18:11]
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fluffypony exchange01: crash course on IRC - you type the words, you press the enter, they come out on the screen [18:12]
fluffypony majik [18:12]
exchange01 fluffypony thank you very much for this introduction, but i am wondering are you certified to say that ? :) [18:13]
mircea_popescu lol [18:13]
exchange01 mircea_popescu are you receiving what im sending u using /msg ? [18:14]
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fluffypony exchange01: I have a BIRC from the University of the Internet-pre-1995 [18:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why is this byrne kid so fixated on the entire personal attack angle ? he told thickashtieves the same thing, yet how the heck would his being clueless a personal attack on me. wtf, i'm not his mother. [18:14]
mircea_popescu exchange01 i don't hold private conversations with people i don't know. this is kinda the basis of private conversations : the parties must be acquainted. [18:15]
mircea_popescu speak your business publicly, what is it ? [18:15]
exchange01 yes [18:15]
exchange01 its a small exchanger, we are thinking about making an IPO on havelocks [18:15]
exchange01 and being listed, but I am looking for other options and I've been told about Mpex [18:16]
mircea_popescu what's small exchanger mean ? [18:16]
exchange01 low volume [18:16]
mircea_popescu this is still exceedingly vague. [18:16]
exchange01 I know, well, i am wondering if you guys have any suggestions as you know finding financing for that kind of business is impossible [18:17]
mircea_popescu well i dunno man, so far there's not much here to go on. what suggestions are you looking for ? [18:18]
exchange01 Well, is it possible to get listed on Mpex like dice ? [18:18]
exchange01 what would be the requirements for that ? [18:18]
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mircea_popescu it is possible, in principle. [18:19]
mircea_popescu ;;google requirements to list on mpex [18:19]
gribble MPEx - Bitcoin: ; How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPEX Data Access: [18:19]
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exchange01 i can send you our business plan mircea if you want [18:20]
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exchange01 business model [18:20]
fluffypony ;;ident exchange01 [18:21]
gribble Nick 'exchange01', with hostmask 'exchange01!43cc18ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is not identified. [18:21]
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fluffypony "Credible WOT presence." [18:21]
fluffypony exchange01: you need that ^^ [18:21]
exchange01 i need to register ? [18:22]
exchange01 on irc [18:22]
fluffypony exchange01: [18:22]
fluffypony start there [18:22]
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fluffypony register with the WoT, and then build your WoT profile over time [18:23]
exchange01 ;;calc 1 + 1 [18:23]
gribble 2 [18:23]
mircea_popescu .d [18:23]
ozbot 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1369 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.8229% in 8d 2h 11m 44s [18:23]
mircea_popescu "Likewise, today when a Westerner tells a Lebanese Shiite that he has a separate "ethnicity", he is baffled. Mazhab is not ethnicity, no more than being a democrat in the US would be a different race (although it should be)." [18:24]
mircea_popescu lmap [18:24]
exchange01 ok i will start with that, thank you @mircea and @fluffy [18:24]
fluffypony any time :) [18:24]
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mircea_popescu "Having spent more than two decades, as an option trader and book-runner (~ 650,000 trades), I have always been leery of inexperienced academics talking about "prediction markets" when we have organic, spontaneously formed markets, and have had them since civilization started --my reaction is that of an old plane engineer and pilot being lectured by a high school English student who never flew a plane. You can't tell t [18:26]
mircea_popescu hem what they don't know. " [18:26]
mircea_popescu ok, that's me reading all the derpage. ethereum, smart contracts, bla bla. [18:27]
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ozbot On the Difference between Binary Prediction and True Exposure with Implications for Forecasting Tour [18:27]
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fluffypony hah hah - failed attempts at legitimacy 101: [18:30]
fluffypony they can't even decide what the D stands for [18:30]
fluffypony there they say Digital, but in one of the references it says "Distributed Autonomous Corporations (DACs), or Decentralized Autonomous Companies" [18:30]
mircea_popescu [18:30]
mircea_popescu this bit (taleb) is actually pretty good. [18:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform o check what has a wikipedia article! [18:31]
mircea_popescu some obscure shit that was never mentioned anywhere is notable! eleven [18:31]
fluffypony "This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations." [18:32]
fluffypony heh heh [18:32]
fluffypony "Bitcoin itself can be viewed as an early form of DAC. We are generalizing the concept for use in the open source community, building on Bitcoin's proven technology. Bitcoin could be reimplemented as a full open standards-compliant DAC. Perhaps someday it will." [18:33]
mircea_popescu i'll borrow the expression from taleb, since i just read it : this shit's not even wrong. [18:33]
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benkay generalizing concepts. sounds like someone heard about 'general solutions' from someone else with a lil bit o programmery experience and decided it was important to do for their ideas as well. [18:34]
benkay "it's not enough that this is specifically stupid, i'm going to generalize this idiocy to the general case." [18:34]
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mircea_popescu benkay that's exactly what happens. someone who was taught in primary school to "guess what words meran in context" instead of being beaten every time he failed to look up new words in the dictionary [18:35]
FabianB hmm.. Google can't find Jerusalina [18:35]
mircea_popescu grew up into an adult that proceeds on the basis of word recognition [18:35]
mircea_popescu that shit makes for excellent consumers and appaling "thinkers" [18:35]
mircea_popescu FabianB gotta admit it has a ring to it neh ? [18:36]
bounce I think the "jews make up a race according to western languages" premise mostly means the writer is still stuck in wwII-era propaganda. [18:36]
mircea_popescu bounce the part where early judaism was not tribal, but more akin to today's jehova witnesses is accurate [18:37]
mircea_popescu the middle part... that becomes complex [18:37]
FabianB mircea_popescu: does it exist or will it be built by you? [18:38]
bounce isn't it their creation story that groups them in various tribes, about 12 or so? though to call that a "race" is maybe a bit overly ambitious. [18:38]
fluffypony well jews in ancient israel were bound by a common belief, but it was also by birth [18:39]
mircea_popescu FabianB it's a play on how would a feminine jerusalem sound like [18:39]
fluffypony if you decided to follow the belief but you weren't born of the 12 tribes you weren't a jew [18:39]
mircea_popescu bounce we're talking actual history rather than orginal mythology tho [18:39]
mircea_popescu otherwise everyone was spawned by the fucking sun god. [18:39]
bounce what, you're saying their holy book can possibly be wrong? what malarky is this? :-p [18:40]
mircea_popescu lol [18:40]
FabianB mircea_popescu: hahaha, was already looking in argentinas pampas for tiny villages :) [18:40]
fluffypony bounce is right, though - they self-identified based on the son they were descended from [18:40]
mircea_popescu let me put it this way : once judaism became large enough they +m'd the channel. [18:40]
bounce this is true. you can get in, but it's not easy. [18:40]
mircea_popescu FabianB you know the expression, "next year in jerusalem". i just.. well... sexchanged it. [18:41]
FabianB hehe [18:41]
mircea_popescu but before it was large enough, there was no tribalism. most being... self made jooz. [18:41]
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bounce better than islam, where getting in is relatively easy (just learn a book by rote and loud repetition), getting out... carries the death penalty. (literally) [18:41]
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mircea_popescu islamob. [18:42]
benkay ;;later tell DiabloD3 lisp > scala. [18:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:43]
bounce curious tidbit: there's a reason it's the mother, not the father, that conveys jewishness to the kid. figuring out why should be just a bit of thought. [18:43]
mircea_popescu isn't this obvious ? [18:43]
mircea_popescu redheaded chicks named khannah' being the world's premiere sluts and all ? [18:43]
bounce not everyone notices and puts the puzzle together [18:43]
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mircea_popescu he who does not puts ze puzzle together is known as... a putz. [18:44]
fluffypony oy vey [18:44]
fluffypony (sp?) [18:44]
benkay ;;later tell BingoBoingo Where as Ruby was born with "lol, suck cocks" << it's more like "lol i suck cocks" but yeah right idea [18:45]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00099964 = 12.1956 BTC [+] [19:02]
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Oleanie hello [19:08]
fluffypony ¡Ola! [19:10]
benkay good morning, Oleanie [19:13]
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thestringpuller - anyone know about this? [19:21]
kakobrekla ;;google site: [19:22]
gribble NEXT: 17-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; PREV: 28-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 01-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: [19:22]
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cgcardona_ top of tha mornin [19:23]
benkay thestringpuller: they want your private key. what else do you need to know? [19:23]
thestringpuller Wow kakobrekla I just learned something new [19:23]
thestringpuller hahahahahahahahahaha [19:23]
thestringpuller wow [19:23]
thestringpuller i love this channel [19:23]
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cgcardona_ fwiw I asked Manu Sporny (lead of the W3C Payments Working Group) what he thinks of bitcoin. Q: A1: A2: [19:25]
benkay cgcardona_: repeat that line to anyone seeking to 'bring bitcoin to the masses' [19:26]
benkay shit's not even worth 500 per. [19:26]
benkay ;;ticker [19:26]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 498.4, Best ask: 498.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.32000, Last trade: 498.25, 24 hour volume: 8609.15956762, 24 hour low: 490.0, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.43322806 [19:26]
benkay see? market agrees. [19:26]
fluffypony cgcardona_: I'm reading his name as Manus Porny from now on [19:28]
benkay enjoy the con, jurov? [19:30]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [19:31]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 498.02, Best ask: 498.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 498.02, 24 hour volume: 8569.74616032, 24 hour low: 490.0, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.43322806 [19:31]
mircea_popescu !up fordlincoln [19:31]
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cgcardona_ fluffypony: i figured that we all were :) [19:32]
cgcardona_ actually i thought it might be M. Anus Porny [19:33]
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mircea_popescu cgcardona_ well... gotta love people who say shit like "it's fundamentals" [19:34]
cgcardona_ MP - yea I'm *never* surprised when the leader of a working group predicts something will 'take years' [19:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 55 @ 0.00580682 = 0.3194 BTC [+] {6} [19:38]
cgcardona_ "There will be bood" [19:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17336 @ 0.0009929 = 17.2129 BTC [-] {2} [19:39]
cgcardona_ I still remember when Hixie was leader of the HTML5 working group and he said it was gonna take till 2019! [19:40]
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cgcardona_ actually he said 2022 [19:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03038461 = 0.395 BTC [+] {3} [19:43]
cgcardona_ I think that (with regards to the W3C) bitcoin's biggest lacking fundimental is that it's not a W3C tech. [19:43]
benkay best clubs are small clubs, jurov. i wonder what attendance will be like next year. [19:43]
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cgcardona_ ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Regular in (creator of?) #btc-assets [19:46]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded. [19:46]
fluffypony cgcardona_: kakobrekla is the channel owner [19:47]
fluffypony founder [19:47]
bounce [19:47]
cgcardona_ ah ok - I'll uddate [19:47]
mircea_popescu yeah i'm just squatting here. [19:47]
cgcardona_ ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Regular in #btc-assets and bitlord [19:47]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 1. [19:47]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla just so you know, bitlord is better than world's #1 dad. [19:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06458 = 0.3229 BTC [-] {5} [19:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00099584 = 6.7149 BTC [+] [19:50]
cgcardona_ who is Anduck ? they gave me a -10 on the wot. wot a dick [19:50]
cgcardona_ that gives me a -6 total. that sucks [19:50]
mircea_popescu ;;seen Anduck [19:52]
gribble Anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: :) [19:52]
cgcardona_ ;;gettrust Anduck [19:52]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012 [19:52]
bounce why don't you ask him? op on -otc. could be someone nicksquatted you and he was a little too enthousiastic [19:52]
cgcardona_ ok [19:52]
cgcardona_ don't see how someone nicksquatted me - i have it registered w/ nickserv [19:53]
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bounce you don't have it set to enforce it, too [19:53]
bounce why didn't you get the nick without _ released and use that? you can still do that, by the by. [19:54]
cgcardona_ you mean that I don't have nickserv set to enforce my nick registration? [19:55]
fluffypony nope [19:55]
fluffypony you need to /nickserv set enforce on [19:55]
fluffypony although WHY that isn't the default on Freenode is beyond me [19:55]
cgcardona_ so someone has potentially be impersonating me on here? [19:55]
cgcardona_ that's no good. [19:55]
cgcardona_ i should check the logs. [19:55]
bounce because we're not all -otc lurkers, you know [19:55]
fluffypony [19:56]
ozbot OTC cgcardona_ [19:56]
cgcardona_ holy shit you're right [19:57]
cgcardona_ someone joining btc-otc as me on 2014-04-20 07:34:38 CDT and 2014-04-20 07:34:24 CDT [19:57]
fluffypony [19:57]
cgcardona_ geez that's unbelievable [19:57]
fluffypony from there [19:57]
fluffypony yeah [19:57]
cgcardona_ holy shit. fucking people. [19:57]
fluffypony looks like they scammed someone too [19:58]
cgcardona_ so now that I have it set to enforce it will make someone enter my nickserv each time and if not kick them off of my nick? [19:58]
* bounce views nickserv as rather fascist already, nevermind nick enforcing. it's the thing to do on here, but, you know. can also argue that with only gribble it'd give more incentive to check with gribble first and foremost, and to accept no substitutes. [19:58]
fluffypony yes [19:58]
fluffypony well not kick them off, I think it forces a nick change to GuestXXXXX [19:59]
cgcardona_ fluffypony: thanks for the help. that totally blows. [19:59]
cgcardona_ but i guess its good that I found out now [19:59]
fluffypony yeah, Anduck will remove the negrating once you get hold of him [19:59]
cgcardona_ hopefully i can work something out w/ Anduck to find out what happened. [19:59]
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kanzure you can ghost kill someone squatting on your nick [19:59]
fluffypony kanzure: yes, but not if you're not online [20:00]
bounce not if you're not on, silly kanzure [20:00]
fluffypony heh [20:00]
kanzure does this mean i'm dreaming [20:00]
fluffypony kanzure: try ghosting yourself as a test :-P [20:00]
cgcardona_ damn that totally sucks. sheesh [20:02]
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cgcardona_ gotta find the logs for btc-otc and see what the hell happened on those days. [20:02]
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mircea_popescu [20:04]
ozbot An hero is he… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013188 = 0.6594 BTC [-] {4} [20:04]
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mircea_popescu meh it's not done. [20:07]
mircea_popescu redoing. [20:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067127 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {2} [20:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1122 @ 0.00016989 = 0.1906 BTC [+] {6} [20:12]
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assbot Voicing daybyter for 30 minutes. [20:17]
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daybyter Hi! [20:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00018578 = 0.1115 BTC [+] {4} [20:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2248 @ 0.00025253 = 0.5677 BTC [+] {5} [20:21]
mircea_popescu hey [20:22]
mircea_popescu !up turbo_ac1001 [20:24]
assbot Voicing turbo_ac1001 for 30 minutes. [20:24]
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mircea_popescu turbo_ac1001 you just commented on trilema ? [20:24]
fluffypony well now he's distracted reading Persion Folklore [20:26]
mircea_popescu lol [20:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+] [20:29]
turbo_ac1001 I did [20:31]
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fluffypony lol [20:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00099566 = 40.7225 BTC [-] {2} [20:31]
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mircea_popescu MTGOX recovery imminent! [20:32]
mircea_popescu da fuck [20:33]
mircea_popescu !up turbo_ac100 [20:33]
assbot Voicing turbo_ac100 for 30 minutes. [20:33]
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turbo_ac100 thanks [20:33]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: where'd ya see that? [20:33]
thestringpuller ah mircea_popescu returns [20:33]
mircea_popescu you may be having a client issue because you got kicked by chanserv. [20:33]
thestringpuller rested i see from the exciting conference [20:33]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller was great. [20:33]
turbo_ac100 authed with gribble but assbot doesn't let me !up [20:33]
mircea_popescu fluffypony google drug it up,,d.ZGU [20:33]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot turbo_ac100 [20:33]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user turbo_ac100: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 11:09:50 2014 [20:33]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 it should. pm it !up [20:34]
turbo_ac100 trying again (i know right now I'm not authed). There is a flood message I'm gonna reproduce now [20:34]
fluffypony "Sure, but a new CEO would suffice to reestablish trust." [20:34]
fluffypony l.o.l. [20:34]
mircea_popescu i vote for danny. [20:34]
fluffypony underwritten by Ken Slaughter? [20:35]
mircea_popescu or shakaru [20:35]
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turbo_ac100 OF COURSE it works without the flood issues... *sigh* [20:35]
mircea_popescu herp [20:35]
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thestringpuller ;;ident [20:36]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None [20:36]
thestringpuller man gribble hasn't gotten knocked for several days [20:36]
turbo_ac100 The manticore still is a lion though. [20:36]
mircea_popescu ;;google "with a vicious streak a mile wide" [20:37]
gribble Rabbit of Caerbannog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Tim the Enchanter (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: ; Faced With a Killer Rabbit - Monty Python Page: [20:37]
mircea_popescu ye noob of little memeledge. [20:37]
turbo_ac100 ooooh [20:37]
mircea_popescu "when mp is wrong, you've probably misunderstood or neglected something" [20:38]
thestringpuller when mp is wrong it's usually on something that doesn't matter [20:41]
thestringpuller or he knows when he's wrong and doesn't perpetuate it like da scammaz [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49078984 = 4.4171 BTC [-] {7} [20:41]
mircea_popescu or he's just plain old wrong [20:42]
thestringpuller lolol [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00481 = 0.1828 BTC [-] [20:43]
turbo_ac100 So why not the manticore then? #justargumentumecontrariothings [20:43]
mircea_popescu i dunno dood, she was wearing a corset so it kinda looked to me like a playboy bunny of yore [20:43]
mircea_popescu it's supposed to be a soft joke [20:43]
thestringpuller corsets are fancy tho [20:44]
turbo_ac100 Romanian soft? [20:44]
thestringpuller lol [20:45]
mircea_popescu howssat ? [20:45]
thestringpuller mp doesn't go to many nerd conventions where the girls cosplay in steampunk with corsets galore [20:45]
mircea_popescu btw, i kinda have a bet with mpoe-pr as to who shows up here first, asciilifeform or thickasthieves. [20:45]
mircea_popescu anyone wanna take sides ? [20:45]
thestringpuller i dunno corsets are expensive, classy and sexy all at the sametime [20:45]
thestringpuller asciilifeform will be first [20:45]
mircea_popescu i think so too. [20:45]
thestringpuller did TaT go to MP-Con '14 ? [20:46]
mircea_popescu ya [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13811 @ 0.00099298 = 13.714 BTC [-] {2} [20:47]
mircea_popescu lol i wonder if there exists a secret underground ScamCon [20:47]
bounce yes? [20:47]
mircea_popescu where do they hold it ? little italy ? nigeria ? [20:48]
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bounce well, not so secret. was another "discovery" from some security blogging company or other; buncha roossians had started their own coin [20:48]
thestringpuller LOL in nigeria... [20:48]
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fluffypony turbo_ac100: maybe we can get #justmanticorethings trending? [20:50]
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bounce what was that picture again, of some narco guy's mansion with on the order of 18bn in usd and assorted further currencies in various places, down to simply stacked in a room. one'd think that's enough to buy an underground bunker to store the stuff. [20:50]
bounce oh, apparently misremembered, only 207mn usd. still, what's an underground bunker or two cost these days? [20:52]
* bounce wonders where the 18bn figure came from. [20:52]
mircea_popescu bounce 18bn in usd is something like [20:52]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 22 * 18000 [20:52]
gribble 396000 [20:52]
mircea_popescu 4mn lbs. [20:52]
bounce lbs? what are you, a merkin? [20:53]
mircea_popescu fine, 2k tons [20:53]
turbo_ac100 fluffypony: will try :) [20:53]
bounce or about 2 gigagram. give or take. [20:54]
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bounce says it's 22bn [20:55]
ozbot Mexican Drug Lord home after being raided - Imgur [20:55]
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mircea_popescu bs [20:57]
mircea_popescu that's not "billionz" [20:57]
fluffypony there's no way [20:57]
fluffypony that is 22bn [20:57]
mircea_popescu 10 x 34 on the surface, like 60 or so deep [20:57]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 10 * 34 * 60000 [20:58]
gribble 20400000 [20:58]
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mircea_popescu like 200ish mn there. [20:58]
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fluffypony 207 mil to be exact [20:59]
fluffypony nicely calculated [20:59]
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fluffypony [20:59]
ozbot Zhenli Ye Gon Causes Trouble For Las Vegas Sands - Business Insider [20:59]
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fluffypony "A raid of his home in the wealthy neighborhood of Mexico City produced what police described as "the largest single drug cash seizure the world has ever seen." Almost $207 million sat in the house in cash. Seven high-powered firearms were also in the house, the New York Times reported." [20:59]
bounce apt, though. consider what happens to reported prices, the so called "street value" [20:59]
fluffypony also the third picture is an actual museum [21:00]
fluffypony [21:00]
fluffypony so that's just embellishment [21:00]
fluffypony also that bit at the end is way wrong [21:02]
bounce curiously, a load of stolen garlic got recovered (border agents smelled something), and the value reported sounded like they used wholesale prices, not "supermarket prices". [21:02]
fluffypony "$22 billion/[(310 million people)(12 years)(~$5,000/person/year)]=0.0012. $22 billion would meet about 0.12% of the health insurance costs for 12 years. Actual cost would be $18.6 trillion. Health insurance would have to cost $5.91 per person per year for $22 billion to cover everyone for 12 years." [21:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4132 @ 0.00099584 = 4.1148 BTC [+] [21:02]
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mircea_popescu shit mpoe-pr wins [21:02]
mircea_popescu !up Shakespeare [21:02]
assbot Voicing Shakespeare for 30 minutes. [21:02]
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Shakespeare I signed on just to beat stan [21:03]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [21:03]
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Shakespeare I'm in NJ airport :) [21:03]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:03]
mircea_popescu nj has an airport ?! [21:03]
Shakespeare surprised me too [21:03]
Shakespeare it has a retarded ticker too [21:03]
Shakespeare ear [21:03]
Shakespeare ewr [21:03]
mircea_popescu hello sir, here are your ear-wax tickets [21:04]
Shakespeare for Newark [21:04]
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Shakespeare ewr not ear though [21:04]
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Shakespeare just my tablet autocorrect... [21:04]
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mircea_popescu !up _aeon [21:05]
assbot Voicing _aeon for 30 minutes. [21:05]
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Shakespeare so for 9 hours over the ocean guess who I get seated with [21:05]
mircea_popescu this bombshell redhead [21:05]
Shakespeare poor young tourettes girl [21:05]
mircea_popescu no fucking way ?! [21:06]
Shakespeare barking and such [21:06]
Shakespeare yeah [21:06]
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mircea_popescu i never met anyone with actual tourettes. [21:06]
Shakespeare it didn't bother me other than sadden me [21:06]
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Shakespeare she was embarrassed when it got bad, putting blanket over her face [21:07]
Duffer1 poor kid [21:08]
fluffypony shame man [21:08]
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mircea_popescu o look who's here. quick someone call teh bitcoin police [21:10]
davout :D [21:10]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare i still have trouble wrapping my head around the notion. [21:10]
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mircea_popescu i mean, i don't actually think that w/e, they're faking it. but it just fails to compute on the intuitive level. [21:11]
davout i found france [21:11]
Shakespeare for the record, davout lost at least 1.5 games [21:11]
davout Shakespeare: i beg your pardon [21:11]
Shakespeare its true! [21:11]
Shakespeare remember the rules argument? [21:11]
mircea_popescu what sort of scam french invincibility is this [21:11]
Shakespeare and then later me and someone else won for deals [21:12]
Shakespeare realz [21:12]
davout Shakespeare: i'm not sure i follow [21:12]
Shakespeare that's OK [21:12]
Shakespeare this is tat btw [21:12]
davout mircea_popescu: i wish to apologize for my rudeness in marking my territory in timisoara repeatedly [21:13]
mircea_popescu lol [21:13]
davout Shakespeare: was your trip back ok ? [21:13]
Shakespeare meh [21:14]
Shakespeare see logs [21:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00461215 = 0.6918 BTC [-] {10} [21:14]
Shakespeare I still in NJ too [21:14]
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Shakespeare I had to go thru security 3 times once I got to US [21:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00099058 = 13.3728 BTC [-] {3} [21:15]
Shakespeare and check my bags all over again [21:15]
Shakespeare good times [21:15]
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Shakespeare I did get to hang with ASCII at two airports though [21:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 58 @ 0.00220865 = 0.1281 BTC [-] {9} [21:16]
davout !up Oleanie [21:16]
assbot Voicing Oleanie for 30 minutes. [21:16]
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davout Shakespeare: gotta love the cavity searches [21:17]
davout ftr Oleanie == Fanny [21:17]
Shakespeare ah cool [21:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 28 @ 0.04488566 = 1.2568 BTC [+] {4} [21:18]
davout mircea_popescu: the rosé is very nice [21:18]
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Shakespeare customs let me keep my champagne btw [21:19]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Oleanie 1 She rides. [21:19]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [21:19]
davout Shakespeare: cabin luggage ? [21:19]
mircea_popescu davout nao you tell her how to gpg yes ? [21:19]
davout mircea_popescu: imma explain it all to her a bit later [21:19]
Shakespeare I wrapped it in my clothesline my checked baggage [21:19]
Oleanie we are drinking ours [21:20]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [21:20]
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assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( [21:20]
Shakespeare lol not clothesline [21:20]
mircea_popescu clothesline srsly ? [21:20]
Shakespeare autocorrect... [21:20]
davout Shakespeare: that's the only way you can get it through [21:20]
mircea_popescu davout after you drink it i'll tell you what it cost. [21:20]
davout mircea_popescu: it has been drinked [21:21]
davout drank/drunk, what is the correct one ? [21:21]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare it's hysterical because well... wine fermented in the bottle can well explode. [21:21]
davout mircea_popescu: Oleanie still has some in her glass [21:21]
mircea_popescu but they won't let you take i dunno, lotion. i nevere heard of lotion exploding [21:21]
Shakespeare ASCII gave your cabbie a bunch $20 bills this morning. I couldn't tell which of them enjoyed it more [21:22]
mircea_popescu davout drunk [21:22]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare haha [21:22]
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mircea_popescu guy definitely enjoys a lot of stuff huh. [21:22]
davout Shakespeare mircea_popescu our cab driver started the ride by yelling "Shumacher shumacher!" [21:22]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:22]
mircea_popescu davout was like... hey, i know you set it up for us to be there in time, but could you cancel it so we go on foot 7 1/2 hours later ? [21:23]
mircea_popescu we're from france and so we like to wait uncomfortably in airports [21:23]
mircea_popescu it's like... when you come out from under sea, you gotta re-aclimatize to the suck. [21:23]
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mircea_popescu 7 1/2 hours earlier i mean. [21:23]
davout mircea_popescu: naaah, we met mike_c there [21:24]
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mircea_popescu o dude. [21:24]
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davout we were just 30 min early [21:25]
davout i really hate being in a rush [21:25]
mircea_popescu mike_c threw me for a fucking loop. cause afaik he was leaving tomorrow, right ? so i had secretary call hotel front desk to sert up lunch, cause i figured... we can do lunch [21:25]
mircea_popescu she calls me in a total panic, cause well... he's gone ?! and she suspects the idiot receptionist kicked him out maybne ? [21:25]
davout LOL [21:25]
Shakespeare lol [21:25]
mircea_popescu so you know, i go there like a fucking ride of valkiries screaming all the way from like outside, WHO DUN IT! [21:26]
Shakespeare he had some trouble with the time zones :) [21:26]
mircea_popescu the girl, bring me the girl [21:26]
mircea_popescu so they fetch her and she's completely dumbfounded... guy came, witgh his bags, checked out and left. how is she to know he's not to be allowed to leave ?! [21:26]
mircea_popescu but eventually they checked the airline and he was there so. disaster averte [21:27]
mircea_popescu d [21:27]
Shakespeare dude a pigeon just flew by me [21:27]
Shakespeare in the airport [21:27]
mircea_popescu did it whistle correctly ? [21:27]
Shakespeare fucking NJ [21:27]
Shakespeare it was silent [21:27]
fluffypony like a bat? [21:27]
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mircea_popescu bats aren't silent [21:27]
mircea_popescu i can fucking hear them. [21:28]
fluffypony thatsthejoke.gif [21:28]
Shakespeare like a silent dove but not [21:28]
mircea_popescu nojokesallowed.pdf [21:28]
fluffypony didyougpgencryptthat.questionmark [21:28]
mircea_popescu yes, which is why its spelled questionlark [21:28]
Shakespeare karpelesceosuite.exe [21:28]
fluffypony Shakespeare: wouldn't it be .php3 ? [21:29]
mircea_popescu it would be ===php4 [21:29]
Shakespeare no cuz its a scam [21:29]
davout fluffypony: you'd click it in doubt, and that's the whole point :-) [21:29]
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Shakespeare csstml 5 [21:29]
fluffypony lawl [21:29]
fluffypony node.js! [21:30]
mircea_popescu i gotta get taleb to write about bitcoin. [21:30]
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mircea_popescu quoting for stan's own pleasure : [21:31]
mircea_popescu I would like to record here (so people get off my back) that I do not belong to the so-called "Austrian School" of economics, in spite of a few similar positions on bailouts and bottom-up systems. I believe in mathematical statements. But if I were to belong to a school of thought designated by a nationality, the {NATIONALITY} SCHOOL of {DISCIPLINE} it would be the Russian school of probability. [21:31]
mircea_popescu Members across three generations: P.L. Chebyshev, A.A. Markov, A.M. Lyapunov, S.N. Bernshtein (ie. Bernstein), E.E. Slutskii, N.V. Smirnov, L.N. Bol'shev, V.I. Romanovskii, A.N. Kolmogorov,Yu.V. Linnik, and the new generation: V Petrov, S.V. Nagaev, A.V. Nagaev, A. Shyrayev, etc. [21:31]
davout mircea_popescu: he's already tweeted stuff iirc [21:31]
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mircea_popescu davout i mean specifically. or to quote again, [21:31]
mircea_popescu "Margo I have lived in the theatre as a Trappist monk lives in his faith" [21:32]
fluffypony [21:32]
mircea_popescu "I have no other world, no other life." [21:32]
ozbot QR codes are dead : Bitcoin [21:32]
fluffypony so apparently the way we *should* be using Bitcoin [21:32]
fluffypony is through Bluetooth LE [21:32]
fluffypony and we'll just keep our phones in our pocket [21:32]
fluffypony and walk up to the counter [21:32]
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mircea_popescu " QR codes have been around and hyped for years, but they were never used as much as developers and marketing people hoped." << truth. [21:32]
fluffypony and the cashier will say "PayPal or Bitcoin, sir?" [21:32]
fluffypony and we'll say "Bitcoin" [21:32]
fluffypony and the money will just magically come off without us needing to authorise it [21:33]
mircea_popescu here's a funny story : bar where we watered saturday night, had an advertising above the urinal. on that advertising, aqr code. [21:33]
mircea_popescu it was unreadable, because the frame covered it. [21:33]
fluffypony "No ugly smartphone unlocking, app starting, camera pointing at a fancy QR code. No, all handsfree, how it needs to work." [21:33]
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cgcardona_ i actually think bitcoin is QR code's killer app [21:33]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: besides, who's sober enough to scan a QR code? [21:33]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony ikr ? [21:34]
davout mircea_popescu: right hand is for the dick, left for the smartphone [21:34]
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mircea_popescu cgcardona_ could be, but somehow i doubt it. [21:34]
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mircea_popescu davout and the balls ?! [21:34]
davout mircea_popescu: teh girl [21:34]
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cgcardona_ also, my 5 year old son is obsessed w/ qr codes. He askes me to scan everyone that we see (yes this could backfire one day). I think people of his generation will find QR codes quite intuitive [21:34]
mircea_popescu "my prediction is". da fguck is this shit, "cluster4" is now making "my prediction" ? [21:35]
davout nah, in all seriousness, i don't know about you, but i don't piss with my balls [21:35]
mircea_popescu people have a lot of difficulty groking that if you're anonymous... there is no property. [21:35]
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mircea_popescu there's no "my" in anonimity. [21:35]
mircea_popescu davout no idea how you can piss with teh girl handling your balls. [21:35]
davout mircea_popescu: being anonymous doesn't mean there is no idnentity [21:35]
davout mircea_popescu: years of training [21:35]
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mircea_popescu davout ne confondre pas anonimite e pseudonimite, i say! [21:35]
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davout anonymous, absence of name, not of identity [21:36]
mircea_popescu anonymous is absence of identity. [21:36]
mircea_popescu like, joe schmuck on reddit. is not a person. [21:36]
mircea_popescu it's not even a thing. it's gas. [21:36]
mircea_popescu "as it's use is very limited" [21:37]
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davout mircea_popescu: i'd say fungibility is the absence of identity, anonymity is the absence of name, but i'm too tipsy on that delicious rosé champagne to even imagine arguing the point properly [21:37]
mircea_popescu stupid enough to not realise he can't have a "my" as nobody, clueless enough to fail to distinguish a verb from a possessive. this is reddit. [21:37]
mircea_popescu davout so argue it tomorrow. [21:38]
mircea_popescu curious to see how you'll argue cluster4 is not fungible with cluster3 or derpymcherp or w/e. [21:40]
mircea_popescu this entire shit is backwards. views, which are not fungible, people pretend are in fact fungible. then anons, which are absolutely fungible, people pretend like are not. apparently the web is quite counterintuitive. [21:41]
davout mircea_popescu: derps might be fungible as anonymous entities, entities we couldn't care to name, it doesn't really impede their ability to each own a bitcent [21:43]
davout brb [21:43]
mircea_popescu but that's irrelevant for this discussion innit. [21:44]
mircea_popescu the opinion of derp1 is exactly equal to the opinion of derp2 inasmuch as we don't know anything about 'em. [21:45]
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davout mircea_popescu: yes, but fungibility and anonymity lie in the observer, property lies with the things themselves [21:52]
bounce yeah, no. with davout on this one, "anonymity" is lack of a label, not necessarily lack of an underlying identity. on the flip side, you already know what jehova's witnesses will try and tell you without you needing their name, regardless of whether they offer their name. if they do, they're no longer anonymous. it doesn't affect your esteem for what they're trying to tell you. [21:52]
mircea_popescu [21:52]
mircea_popescu davout the fact that the person "deep down" "twu wuvs" you is immaterial. [21:52]
mircea_popescu for all you know pet rocks have distinct personalities. [21:52]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: looks like I lost the bet [21:53]
mircea_popescu aye. [21:53]
thestringpuller :( [21:53]
mircea_popescu bounce anon jehova's witnesses are not people. [21:53]
mircea_popescu to personalize they need to de-jehova-witnessize for you, before you. [21:53]
davout derp1 and derp2 might be fungible from our pov, but derp1 can still own 1 btc while derp2 owns 2 [21:54]
mircea_popescu so ? [21:54]
bounce not to you. inside their own circles their worth is measured by their zeal. [21:54]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: there's an H on end [21:54]
mircea_popescu but what happens inside the pet rock is uninteresting in this discussion. [21:54]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony yeah k. [21:54]
davout mircea_popescu: it is, because knowledge of different informations translates directly to ownership, or non-ownership of bitcoins for example [21:55]
mircea_popescu unless and untill this becomes transpared to you it is immaterial. [21:55]
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mircea_popescu after it becomes transparent to you, it already broke that anonimity. [21:55]
bounce soldiers are cannon fodder to you, individuals to themselves and their bosses. look, they even wear name tags. [21:56]
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mircea_popescu but what they are, for as long as they DON [21:56]
thestringpuller ;;seen mod6 [21:56]
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mircea_popescu T wear dogtags, is fungible gas. [21:56]
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mircea_popescu "A 43-year-old programmer who helped set in motion a class-action lawsuit against the companies and became one of its five class representatives will not be present in the San Jose courtroom. He was shot and killed by the police last December." [21:57]
mircea_popescu funny how accidents work. [21:57]
bounce very funny indeed [21:58]
davout i don't think that my ability to distinguish derps is really related to their ability to own stuff, it is not necessary for me to be able to know they are able to destroy a bitcoin for them to actually be able to destroy a bitcoin [21:58]
mircea_popescu davout your ability to distinguish derps is however central to their ability to exist. [21:59]
mircea_popescu you can be bios, but you can not be zoon unrecognised. [21:59]
mircea_popescu so yes, animals they can be. people however, they can not be, unless recognised. [21:59]
bounce there's this conflation of "person" to mean "someone who matters (to me)", which is highly viewpoint-dependent. your basic definition appears to be "someone who matters in the bitcoin sphere and can be trusted not to fsck up (too badly)". might need a suitable word for that. [22:00]
mircea_popescu bounce it merely means "someone who can be distinguished from the others" [22:00]
davout what you're saying is pretty much that derps exist in a quantum superposition of owning, and not-owning stuff, and that their actual ownership resolves when i actually observe, aka measure them [22:01]
mircea_popescu which reduces to "someone who could, in principle, matter" [22:01]
davout right? [22:01]
mircea_popescu because the undistinguishable can't ever matter, by definition. [22:01]
mircea_popescu davout pretty good approach yeah [22:01]
mircea_popescu speaking of "different" derps is like speaking of photons as billiard balls. [22:01]
davout that is true if you consider that everything that matters is only what you have knowledge of [22:01]
mircea_popescu perhaps an excusable approximation in some narrow cases, but wrong in principle. [22:01]
mircea_popescu davout everythint that matters is only what COULD BE HAD knowledge of. [22:02]
bounce ``In ancient Rome, the word "persona" (Latin) or "prosopon" ([...]: Greek) originally referred to the masks worn by actors on stage.'' --wikipedia [22:02]
mircea_popescu bounce fun fact... that yielded romanian prosop, which means... towel. [22:02]
bounce those come in handy hitchhiking [22:02]
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bounce anyway that doesn't help much, since "distinguishing from the others" implies a yardstick, that in turn is a choice bound by context [22:04]
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mircea_popescu not so. [22:04]
mircea_popescu yardstick is a matter of measuring, and thus relegated to quantitative discussions. we're discussing qualitative matters here. [22:05]
bounce we're measuring the quality. when is someone a person? whether the scale is actually countable is immaterial. [22:06]
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bounce s/is countable/has countable subdivisions/ [22:06]
mircea_popescu nah. [22:06]
bounce you still end up with two ends of a stick. "person", "not a person" [22:06]
mircea_popescu how are these ends of a stick ? there's no continuum [22:07]
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bounce or sides. you can discern both states, even if the distance between them is infinitesmal and only exists as an idea to boot [22:09]
bounce when's the liquour strong enough? well, if it's over $strength. something like that. [22:09]
mircea_popescu let's try a different tack. you know what a cog is. you also know what a sphere is. [22:10]
mircea_popescu good anonimity, just like good sphericity, relies on not being a cog. at all. [22:10]
mircea_popescu conversely, good cogicity, just like good personhood, relies on not being a sphere. at all. [22:10]
davout bounce: the way i understand the argument is that ownership is akin to the state of an electron, until you observe it exists in a superposition of states, it can only have a state when you observe it [22:10]
mircea_popescu now, this does not reduce to "liquor being strong ENOUGH" [22:10]
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mircea_popescu it reduces to being liquour or oil. [22:11]
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mircea_popescu good oil is not alcohol. good alcohol is not oil. [22:11]
davout speaking of which i'm on way to pop the second bottle, please disregard all my further comments [22:12]
mircea_popescu there's no serious consideration of an oil-alcohol mixture being "storng enough", as you won't drink vodka-canoia oil cocktails [22:12]
bounce disagree. it'd mean that the only good person be a totally non-anonymous person, so, real personhood is only open to, say, obama. or dubya. [22:12]
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mircea_popescu bounce actually, misplaced shards of anonimity ruin personhood. which is why i keep having to ask derps posing as ceos here "who's we". [22:13]
mircea_popescu conversely, misplaced shards of personhood ruin anonimity. such as w/e, silk road guy. [22:14]
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mircea_popescu "Now academics learn to take a paper or a class of papers, imitate the style, the organization; copy the phraseology, discuss the historical literature and find some wrinkle on the problem that makes it look like a contribution. This is what tends to be published, and this is what seems to be "original". And these works never survive the author." [22:18]
mircea_popescu because someone somewhere in a bureaucracy figured it's a good idea to fucking industrialise research. [22:19]
mircea_popescu may he never rest. [22:19]
bounce guy posing as "CEO" claiming to have lots of minions needs a good team. since claim made, up to him to back it up. that's not quite the same as requiring to know his every move or his every thought. [22:20]
bounce s/back it up/&, show he has such a team/ etc. bit forgetful with the details today [22:21]
mircea_popescu nobody requires to know his every move or thought in any sense. [22:21]
bounce that's be implied through "total non-anonymity" though [22:21]
mircea_popescu only iyo. [22:21]
bounce no. hence the conflation. [22:21]
mircea_popescu the criteria is good wot relations, not "knowing their every thought" [22:22]
bounce I'm not disagreeing with what you're trying to say, just that the terminology could stand improvement. [22:22]
mircea_popescu the devil himself knows not the thought of man [22:22]
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bounce (yet god knows every thought of the devil's, and being a good little god... lets him be?) [22:22]
mircea_popescu if god actually knew every thought of the devil, he'd have not been surprised. [22:23]
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mircea_popescu god'd like to. but tis impossible, inasmuch as the devil is human, and god is not that good. [22:23]
bounce you're saying the poor devil is unoriginal? [22:23]
mircea_popescu i am saying that the poor god is incapable. [22:23]
bounce oh well. AIUI paradise lost would beg to differ. haven't gotten around to actually reading the thing. [22:24]
mircea_popescu how's it differ ? [22:24]
bounce anyway, "good wot relations" means that you've met and dealt with a number of other people, and gathered their esteem, and in doing so gathered a total esteem enough to be deemed worthy of the community as a whole. [22:25]
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bounce "liqour strong enough" if you will [22:25]
mircea_popescu understanding rather than esteem. the people you've dealt with are marks you may be recognised by. [22:26]
mircea_popescu in no sense is this a numeric problem, [22:26]
mircea_popescu which is why no numeric methods work for this task. [22:26]
bounce and every user has a differend yardstick, making the whole thing subjective to use. [22:26]
mircea_popescu two hours ago i said i suspect i'm weeks away from a major breakthrough in economics. [22:27]
mircea_popescu i think this discussion shaved a week off. [22:27]
mircea_popescu bounce im not sure you have a usable definition of subjective in mind. [22:27]
bounce also more or less saved me having to do a write-up [22:27]
mircea_popescu if it's the kneejerk "not usg diddled" then might as well discard it. [22:27]
bounce "subjective" as every user of the wot looking to form an opinion on some other user of the wot does so as he deems good, mayhaps taking into account that raters will also use their own criteria to rate with. [22:30]
bounce s/as /as in / [22:30]
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mircea_popescu so inasmuch as good is done, this is optimal not subjective. [22:30]
mircea_popescu if he looked to do what he felt like it could have been subjective, as a proxy for aesthetic i guess. [22:30]
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bounce what I mean is that even if the outcome is roughly the same for different onlookers, their conclusions are (supposedly) their own; like how you notice that there's no intl. standard of interpreting ratings. nor should there be. [22:31]
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mircea_popescu which is ultimately why no numerical approach. [22:32]
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bounce you could still try and throw statistics at it, but that doesn't change the underlying subjectivity [22:32]
mircea_popescu are you using "subjectivity" merely to note the fact that the numeric method does not apply ? [22:33]
bounce hmno. [22:35]
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bounce WOT ratings can well mean different things to you and me. they're not even ment to be used "objectively", ie in a manner independent of people's opinions. [22:38]
mircea_popescu give me an example of such an objectively. [22:39]
bounce an objective measure? a metre, standard the world over. [22:40]
mircea_popescu enacted by ? [22:40]
mircea_popescu worst possible fucking example. [22:40]
bounce whether I take a tape measure to $derp or you do it, when done correctly we both will conclude the guy's length to be $whatever. that'd be objective. we both look at his WOT ratings, we might well draw different conclusions on the same data. [22:42]
bounce we could devise a "standard" scoring test for WOT ratings and still draw differing conclusions based on what we see [22:42]
mircea_popescu this is more akin to you using inches and me using cm. [22:43]
mircea_popescu both of these "objectively" examples you provide strictly adhere to your definition of subjectivity, [22:43]
mircea_popescu they exist as a result of people's opinions. [22:43]
bounce er? I gave one objective and one subjective example? [22:44]
mircea_popescu an objective measure? a metre, standard the world over. < 1 ; whether I take a tape measure to $derp or you do it, when done correctly we both will conclude the guy's length to be $whatever. < 2 [22:44]
mircea_popescu your "done corectly" is there precisely because you too know this : [22:45]
mircea_popescu god help us if our opinions of these subjectives do not agree. [22:45]
bounce both're objective; I don't need a judgement call here, I look at the tape measure. [22:46]
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mircea_popescu but you need a judgement call for the tape measure to exist in the first place. [22:47]
mircea_popescu you seem to be roughly in the position of the slave who says his master's will is divine in nature, because it's outside of his reach. [22:47]
bounce eh, I think we're past that. I can put three lava lamps on a table and count them. you'll count three too. no feels or beliefs involved. even if our counting system is ultimately arbitrary in it existence [22:48]
mircea_popescu while outside of his reach it may well be, his master's just another guy. [22:48]
mircea_popescu so numbers are your standard of objectivity, but then when i ask you are you using "subjectivity" merely to note the fact that the numeric method does not apply ? you say no. [22:48]
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bounce well, what is "the numeric method"? I can devise and use a system of numeric scales based on how much I feel I know about someone else. [22:50]
bounce the end result to that would still be subjective. someone else might well feel a different way. [22:50]
davout meanwhile, in timisoara : [22:53]
mircea_popescu lol [22:54]
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Oleanie i love this one ^^ [22:55]
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mircea_popescu hello kitty [22:56]
bounce curious how that thing is such a stayer. as an antidote: [22:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.066108 = 0.6611 BTC [+] {2} [22:57]
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mircea_popescu !up lamosty [22:59]
assbot Voicing lamosty for 30 minutes. [22:59]
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davout bounce: stopped after chapter one [23:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00099321 = 34.812 BTC [+] {3} [23:02]
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mircea_popescu mkay, so i'm writing a seminal, major and epic work called "a complete theory of economics". [23:20]
mircea_popescu sadly this has to start by my translating three older romanian articles, but c'est la vie. [23:20]
bounce so, google translate work better straight to english or via french or/and latin first? [23:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00099521 = 15.2267 BTC [+] [23:21]
mircea_popescu it doesn't work at sall unless you're after humor. [23:24]
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jborkl hehe you said semen [23:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13502 @ 0.00099521 = 13.4373 BTC [+] {2} [23:35]
fluffypony jborkl: semen-all [23:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00099707 = 8.6247 BTC [+] [23:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I dunno why the dude reverts to assuming personal attacks other than maybe the one sided blindess impressed upon the legal profession. [23:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0009945 = 7.1604 BTC [-] {2} [23:46]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: when do we get _Trilema: The Book_ [23:49]
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fluffypony [23:52]
ozbot 13 Hilarious and Sexist Dating Tips From 1938. - Imgur [23:52]
fluffypony oh the 30s [23:52]
-rithm- [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4720 @ 0.00099439 = 4.6935 BTC [-] [23:56]
mircea_popescu rithm lol [23:56]
mircea_popescu wait wut! cheating of voice! [23:57]
* Received a CTCP IWINIWINWIWN from rithm [23:57]
mircea_popescu lol [23:57]
mircea_popescu !up rithm [23:57]
assbot Voicing rithm for 30 minutes. [23:57]
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rithm be vewwwwy kwiet. im hunting wabbits [23:58]
rithm but this though: [23:58]
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