Forum logs for 20 Jan 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mats | ofc | [00:00] |
mike_c | kako, when are we buying our tickets to BA for april? it's getting late. | [00:00] |
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kakobrekla | you should do comedy i think | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | kakobrekla will go ? | [00:01] |
mike_c | i am trying to twist his arm. | [00:01] |
kakobrekla | !up felipelalli | [00:03] |
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felipelalli | mike_c: because it is my native language and my English is not so good. But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood. | [00:03] |
kakobrekla | you english seems fine | [00:03] |
mike_c | yeah.. not sure who is going to do that translation for you | [00:03] |
kakobrekla | i mean, fine enough for english draft at least | [00:03] |
mike_c | ^ i agree. write it in english and get that reviewed. | [00:04] |
felipelalli | thank you! : ) I'm gonna try it. | [00:08] |
mike_c | !gettrust assbot felipelalli | [00:10] |
assbot | Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli | [00:10] |
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mike_c | what's the topic? | [00:11] |
felipelalli | mike_c: why when I send this command to gribble I receive a different result? | [00:12] |
felipelalli | 01:08:09 - felipelalli: gettrust assbot | [00:12] |
felipelalli | 01:08:10 - gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014 | [00:12] |
assbot | #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZFVlQ ) | [00:12] |
assbot | Rating Details for User 'assbot' ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZFSXg ) | [00:12] |
mike_c | you are doing it the other way | [00:13] |
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mike_c | you trust assbot, the bot doesn't yet trust you | [00:13] |
felipelalli | mike_c: ah! Ok. | [00:13] |
felipelalli | mike_c: I want to do an overview of the Bitcoin image in Brazil. I want to show how almost everybody here thinks it is a scam. But for this I use a professional statistical research that costs a fortune. | [00:13] |
felipelalli | *I want to use | [00:14] |
felipelalli | I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research. | [00:14] |
kakobrekla | i agree, its a scam. | [00:14] |
kakobrekla | no stat tools needed. | [00:15] |
mike_c | not even a good scam. price goes down all the time. | [00:15] |
kakobrekla | i dont think it ever went up | [00:15] |
felipelalli | are you kidding, right? :) | [00:15] |
mike_c | so, if you want to do this research but have not yet, what is the article going to say? | [00:16] |
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felipelalli | I want to write one, just like a dream. Not sure if I will accomplish. | [00:17] |
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kakobrekla | well get to work, dreams wont dream themselfs! | [00:18] |
mike_c | ah. well, hit the streets, get 50 random brazilians to answer a survey. the results of that might be worth an article. | [00:18] |
mike_c | heh, 50 brazilian. that's a lot. | [00:18] |
kakobrekla | there arent that many? | [00:19] |
felipelalli | no, I had worked in a statistical company, if you say to them that you made that, they gonna kill you! :) | [00:19] |
felipelalli | the number doesn't matter, but the distribution. | [00:19] |
mike_c | well, it's just a survey. confidence interval is +- 2 brazilian | [00:19] |
TheNewDeal | ;;ident | [00:20] |
gribble | Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified. | [00:20] |
mats | a what? >30 s'all you need | [00:20] |
felipelalli | no. If I go to slams it will be one result, if I go to downtown, another totally different. | [00:20] |
mike_c | 30 brazilian? | [00:20] |
kakobrekla | i think he is saying 1 brazilian is enough | [00:20] |
felipelalli | *slum | [00:20] |
kakobrekla | and extrapolate | [00:20] |
mats | you're not gonna let that go huh mike_c | [00:20] |
mike_c | oh god.. the accent in my head is killing me. hilarious | [00:20] |
TheNewDeal | ;;nethash | [00:21] |
gribble | 324390816.001 | [00:21] |
kakobrekla | felipelalli come up with a draft and show it to qntra people is your best bet | [00:21] |
felipelalli | kakobrekla: thank you! I'll try it. | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | cool | [00:22] |
mats | kakobrekla being surprisingly nice and helpful | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | go fuck yourself | [00:22] |
mats | :( | [00:22] |
felipelalli | but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need. | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | aww cmon mats a little joke. | [00:23] |
mats | im sensitive | [00:23] |
kakobrekla | then i wont hug you | [00:24] |
mats | felipelalli: def a waste. what's software gonna do that you can't replicate by hand? | [00:24] |
mike_c | i'll give mats a brazilian hugs | [00:24] |
felipelalli | waste of money if I hire that company. | [00:25] |
mats | not to say there wouldn't be a valid use case. just, what's the point? | [00:25] |
felipelalli | I have to go, nice to meet you guys. hugs from Brazil. | [00:25] |
kakobrekla | lol, authentic brazil hugs | [00:25] |
kakobrekla | ok good luck | [00:25] |
mats | adorbs | [00:25] |
felipelalli | thank you kakobrekla | [00:25] |
mats | this is the most touching moment ive witnessed in #b-a | [00:26] |
kakobrekla | lol | [00:26] |
mats | usually its all world domination and biodiesel | [00:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00051321 = 20.7337 BTC [-] | [00:27] |
TheNewDeal | ;;seen The20YearIRCloud | [00:29] |
gribble | The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: |
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TheNewDeal | did !s disappear | [00:33] |
kakobrekla | !s search | [00:34] |
assbot | 1117 results for 'search' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=search | [00:34] |
kakobrekla | found it | [00:34] |
mats | https://major.io/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RAS_Traceroute_Book_Format.pdf via hn | [00:35] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujGGdW ) | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | [00:42] | |
mircea_popescu | i mean yugoslovakia | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | felipelalli so what did you want to talk about ? | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | mats: adorbs << lol. yeh. | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes: and does the cooking too << i remember that part. | [00:49] |
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mircea_popescu | mike_c: i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up. << well, nobody speaks italian. brazil speaks portuguese. i don't directly see a problem with it, if the coverage's any good. | [00:52] |
mircea_popescu | but there'd have to be some sort of serious upfront commitment to it. one article now and again isn'treally worth the hassle. | [00:52] |
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mircea_popescu | felipelalli: But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood. << this is a non-starter. the person doing the translation can just write their own stuff directly. you're not famous or anything, why'd you imagine someone'd be bothered translating you specifically ? | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | talking about bitcoin and scams, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsomerrmdp1qh3yiso1_500.gif | [00:57] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujHAqS ) | [00:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14240 @ 0.00051321 = 7.3081 BTC [-] | [01:03] |
mats | http://i.imgur.com/pkzx0Mt.jpg << kek. reenlisted in a GameStop. | [01:04] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujI1l0 ) | [01:04] |
mircea_popescu | whassat ? | [01:04] |
mats | vidya game store | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | i get that part | [01:05] |
mats | o, hes doing a reenlistment ceremony to reup his contract | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | oh | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | felipelalli: I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research. << there's perhaps better uses to that capital, whatever you'd be spending. seeing how the value of asnwering the "what does brazil think" on whatever topic isn't really that great. i guess it could be a useful demonstration of methodology etc, but that needs some sort of a plan, won't do much as just a shot in the dark. | [01:07] |
mats | From the pre-close panel at Shmoocon yesterday: "We used to be smarter than the Feds, it used to be a joke, how dumb they are. The NSA and FBI have a lot of smart people working for them now, I think it may be the other way around these days." | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [01:11] |
mats | shmoocon was meh this year, though. | [01:14] |
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mats | although James Forshaw's talk was pretty good. i can't seem to find slides online... | [01:16] |
mats | i think attendees were dazzled by the reproduced ANT tools | [01:16] |
mats | michael ossmann is the man. | [01:17] |
mats | http://ossmann.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-nsa-playset.html from july. | [01:18] |
assbot | mossmann's blog: The NSA Playset ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujIWC9 ) | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | mats: usually its all world domination and biodiesel << world biodisomination! | [01:21] |
mats | http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/letters/updated-law-enforcement-tools.pdf << this'd be p good for a qntra article BingoBoingo | [01:27] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujJyaF ) | [01:27] |
mats | "SEC. 104. Ensuring Authority for Courts to Shut Down Botnets ..." | [01:28] |
mats | "(D) violating or about to violate section 1030 of this title where such conduct would affect 100 or more protected computers during any 1-year period, such as (but not limited to) by denying access to or operation of the computers, installing unwanted software on the computers, using the computers without authorization, or obtaining information from the | [01:28] |
mats | computers without authorization" | [01:28] |
mats | nmap is now a WMD | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | this entire "forget how the machines work we'll make a legal representaton of how they SHOULD work and then hold you to respect that whether you knew it or not" is such nonsense. | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | !s monolith | [01:29] |
assbot | 17 results for 'monolith' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monolith | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | basically the proposition is that rather than writing good software, bad software will be translated into law language | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885689 | [01:30] |
assbot | Logged on 21-10-2014 01:30:35; asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | except, how the fuck will that work ? here's a broken c program, make a basic version of it and then try to enforce it | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | BEFORE A JURY | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | it's ludicrous as a concept. showing that these idiots posing as "leaders" have the intellectual penetration of frogs. | [01:30] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: lol, have you -seen- an american jury. | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | i actually helped slant a couple. | [01:30] |
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mircea_popescu | !up coderwill | [01:40] |
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TheNewDeal | mp, what is the email address that would have sent out a token for trilema? | [01:51] |
PeterL | TheNewDeal: mine came from office @ polimedia.us | [01:58] |
TheNewDeal | gracias | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [02:02] |
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mats | https://join.me/913-747-021 | [02:11] |
assbot | join.me – Free Screen Sharing and Online Meetings ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0flB ) | [02:11] |
mats | some guy pwning US edu sites. | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | that ancient virus now has its own website ? | [02:15] |
mats | what are you referring to? | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | mats http://4eyez95.deviantart.com/journal/THE-join-me-VIRUS-spreading-the-word-ALERT-360596181 | [02:18] |
assbot | THE join.me VIRUS (spreading the word) ALERT!!!! by 4eyez95 on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0Rrc ) | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | (it's a joke) | [02:19] |
mats | heh | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | probably the best infection report on the internets. | [02:20] |
mats | > Damn hackers! I want to hack them all (my stepdad once set a virus to this dork that was bragging bout his hacking skills, the virus causes your computer to wipe itself cleab each time it turns on or off! Dont worry, he only sent it to that one guy) | [02:20] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00051072 = 13.0744 BTC [-] | [02:24] |
mats | boring stream | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | !up coderwill | [02:26] |
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coderwill | Hello | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | hi | [02:28] |
coderwill | mircea_popescu: Is MPEX your exchange? | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [02:29] |
coderwill | Cool, I remember a few weeks ago arriving on it a couple of months ago - I think Wences Cesares of Xapo mentioned it on Twitter. | [02:31] |
coderwill | I'm in the early phases of setting up an exchange here in Costa Rica. | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [02:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00049584 = 26.106 BTC [-] {3} | [02:35] |
coderwill | mircea_popescu: anything you wish you'd known when you first started putting together your exchange that you know now? | [02:37] |
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coderwill | thanks for the temp +v | [02:53] |
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mircea_popescu | coderwill it's not entirely clear what you mean by "exchange", but in any case : what you're looking for has been covered extensively by mpoe-pr on the forum, back in the early days when the sort of nonsense was a lot more prevalent/ | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | you definitely should read her exhaustively before anything else | [03:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 350 @ 0.1137346 = 39.8071 BTC [-] {6} | [03:15] |
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TheNewDeal | !down TheNewDeal | [03:26] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [+] | [03:27] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: or was that his 'zil' << zil was auctioned rather recently | [04:12] |
BingoBoingo | felipelalli: Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review? << It is far easier to clean up iffy English tham translate. | [04:16] |
BingoBoingo | felipelalli: but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need. << Prolly do it in the way that keeps your expenses on this down. | [04:18] |
BingoBoingo | !up felipelalli | [04:18] |
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mats | http://www.wired.com/2015/01/why-i-hope-congress-never-watches-blackhat/ | [04:21] |
assbot | Why I Hope Congress Never Watches Blackhat | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt3jUn ) | [04:21] |
felipelalli | BingoBoingo: thank you, but I was already discouraged enough. I'll think of a way to contribute, I loved the style of qntra.net - and would like to see some original research on it. Do not know why it fascinates me, but the amount of misinformation in the world of bitcoin is incredible, it's hard to trust something without having checked ourselves. | [04:22] |
BingoBoingo | felipelalli: Well, you are welcome to submit articles for review. | [04:22] |
felipelalli | BingoBoingo: thank you. | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | that's a good point. | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | tons of varied nonsense floating about | [04:24] |
BingoBoingo | I simply lack the nuances of the language to do a great portugese translation. Research would be incredibly welcome though. | [04:24] |
felipelalli | BingoBoingo: nice to hear that, I'll put my brain to work. | [04:25] |
scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/advanced-fucking/ | [04:25] |
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mircea_popescu | mats dude, a piece about one kevin poulsen featuring a large picture of said kevin poulsen (who looks like a dork) discussing kevin poulsen and stuff to do with kevin poulsen. | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | i can see why he wrote it. wtf is wired doing publishing it | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | oh wait. free. right. | [04:26] |
BingoBoingo | Free is the only price they can afford. | [04:26] |
BingoBoingo | mats: I'll take a look. | [04:27] |
BingoBoingo | ;;later tell mike_c Thanks | [04:27] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [04:27] |
mats | yeah its bad | [04:43] |
mats | like an aquarium | [04:43] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048875 = 4.4965 BTC [-] | [05:11] |
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mircea_popescu | ahh lovely assbot voice | [10:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 242 @ 0.00550217 = 1.3315 BTC [+] {3} | [10:32] |
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nubbins` | what a fuckin process | [11:04] |
danielpbarron | "I think its perfectly usable for people who are comfortable with bitcoin, but aren't developers or are tech-savvy. You could crowdfund, you know, me and my friends go to a concert and we've got to 'group buy' concert tickets, or group buy a laser tag day or something." Hearn on his decentralized kickstarter turd | [11:04] |
nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10216893#msg10216893 | [11:04] |
assbot | Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/15sbWS2 ) | [11:04] |
nubbins` | "If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge more nicely." | [11:04] |
nubbins` | my sides!! | [11:04] |
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mircea_popescu | bah, so im writing an article. put down the first paragraph, 800 words worth of notes. | [11:05] |
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mircea_popescu | writing is this exercise in fucking impossibility. | [11:05] |
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scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/preview-of-obamas-internet-law-enforcement-proposals/ | [11:41] |
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BingoBoingo | http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore | [11:47] |
assbot | Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore ... ( http://bit.ly/1wnQT9b ) | [11:47] |
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scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/nyse-minority-contributor-in-coinbases-latest-fundraiser/ | [12:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.11117555 = 2.7794 BTC [-] {6} | [12:03] |
BingoBoingo | ;;bc,stats | [12:07] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 339780 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 923 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42294419240.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.81437 | [12:07] |
BingoBoingo | https://twitter.com/Badbitcoinorg/status/557481790756360192 | [12:10] |
assbot | OK /CoinFireBlog I've made sure that GAW article is saved on wayback machine, and I've kept a copy as well. Complete BS. | [12:10] |
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scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ | [12:24] |
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asciilifeform | http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/01/whiplash.html << mega-lol | [12:35] |
assbot | ClubOrlov: Whiplash! ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeA3QO ) | [12:35] |
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BingoBoingo | !rate felipelalli 1 +v easy come, easy... | [12:58] |
assbot | Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/135fbc2bd8731912 | [12:58] |
BingoBoingo | !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.felipelalli.1:482fa9fe4369a62b557ecf1a16dc802002691c8a51e913ebe7fd4bf94fdaeb64 | [12:59] |
assbot | Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: +v easy come, easy... | [12:59] |
thestringpuller | soul music. RIP detroit the motor city | [12:59] |
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danielpbarron | idk if it matters since it doesn't sound like there is a need to translate from portugese to english, but i know a guy fluent in both languages | [13:04] |
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xanthyos | ooh i figured it out | [13:06] |
xanthyos | oh just !v not !verify | [13:06] |
xanthyos | 6 times more efficient to type | [13:07] |
thestringpuller | ;;ident | [13:07] |
gribble | Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None | [13:07] |
thestringpuller | ;;rate danielpbarron 2 crypto-priest | [13:07] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user danielpbarron has been recorded. | [13:07] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo lulzy twitter drama | [13:08] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform << btw saw the saudi prince interview where he admits they're best buds with putin now ? | [13:09] |
BingoBoingo | Really is, nobody "scam hunters" getting pissed that the scammer they like is getting shat on. | [13:09] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: lol! nope | [13:09] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/bartiromo/2015/01/11/bartiromo-saudi-prince-alwaleed-oil-100-barrel/21484911/ | [13:10] |
assbot | Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzgX94 ) | [13:10] |
mircea_popescu | usa today no less. | [13:10] |
* | asciilifeform skeptical | [13:10] |
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mircea_popescu | he's a bit of a jirinovski | [13:11] |
mircea_popescu | "And without a functioning industrial economy crude oil would be reclassified as toxic waste. But that is still two or three decades off in the future." | [13:13] |
mircea_popescu | lol. mmmkay. | [13:13] |
BingoBoingo | "Backyard refinery" | [13:17] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema." | [13:19] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose that's the definition of bias. "agreeing with others in the parts where they agree with you." | [13:20] |
mircea_popescu | but in any case, i'd love to see the math by which russia produces oil at a profit when it's $25 a barrel. | [13:20] |
mircea_popescu | strangely, he also seems unaware of teh obama charlie hebdo blunder. i dunno when the us was as politically isolated in its past 1848 history as the time when everyone was in paris except obama. putin was there for chrissakes. | [13:24] |
mircea_popescu | i guess hauling all those submarines in helicopters in boats in trains arrangement for securitah has its disadvantages. can't move fast enough | [13:24] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [13:32] |
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nubbins` | thestringpuller pm me details about this work of yours | [13:43] |
nubbins` | better not be as drawn-out as last time | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | lol that blinky map dohickey (revolvermaps.com) reports "119 Recent Pageviews". over about 10 minutes ? so like | [13:43] |
nubbins` | actually, scratch that. pm me details about this work of yours when you've got money in-hand and a design ready to go. there's really no need to update me before that point :P | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 119 * 6 * 24 | [13:43] |
gribble | 17136 | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | soon to be overtaken by qntra o.O | [13:44] |
mircea_popescu | i guess it's time for cazalla to get a ten page wikipedia article in all teh languages. | [13:44] |
ben_vulpes | buenos dias, wreckers | [13:50] |
BingoBoingo | !b 7 | [13:50] |
assbot | Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RQCCZA.txt ) | [13:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00049639 = 35.4919 BTC [-] | [13:53] |
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BingoBoingo | Next they come for the Roth IRAs http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/19/lets-pay-for-free-community-college-by-t | [14:24] |
assbot | Let's Pay for 'Free' Community College by Taxing College Savings! - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EmnsKM ) | [14:24] |
kakobrekla | http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/intercontinental_exchange_group/usn/usnews-story.aspx?cid=953&newsid=28438 | [14:29] |
assbot | NYSE Completes Minority Investment in Coinbase | [14:29] |
mats | a lol | [14:33] |
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scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/prosecutors-seek-to-bar-dpr-interview-from-jury/ | [14:35] |
mats | "Australia has flown 144 sorties on Islamic State extremists, but it's believed IS had already struck first, launching a cyber-missile on Australian computer systems." | [14:35] |
mats | > a cyber-missile | [14:36] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00051182 = 9.0592 BTC [+] {3} | [14:41] |
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mircea_popescu | vrediteli! | [15:05] |
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mircea_popescu | kakobrekla curious what comes of this. | [15:06] |
mircea_popescu | mats calling it "a cyber missile" is a good joke. calling some beheadings "a new hairstyle" is a bad joke. gotta keep track! | [15:07] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo pretty soon the jury will have to deliberate on the exclusive basis of one sheet of paper on which the words "The People consider the defendant guilty" are written | [15:10] |
mircea_popescu | in 16 point comic ms font | [15:10] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: That's seriously looks like where the system is headed. | [15:10] |
mircea_popescu | ima put it in comments brb | [15:10] |
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Adlai | lol this reminds me of the whole shitshow in the idf where "real warriors" got all tussled about the cyber command calling its hackers "cyber warriors" | [15:20] |
Adlai | some highup officer says that a single cyber warrior can be more valuable to the country than hundreds [of thousands] of regular warriors | [15:20] |
Adlai | and then recants this statement once all the other highups flip a shit | [15:20] |
mircea_popescu | that's a dangerous path to take. because "screw you bitch, i can sit in a chair and fly a desk too." | [15:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00051413 = 15.6296 BTC [+] | [15:21] |
Adlai | it was hilarious at the time, being a "real warrior" myself, but siding with the "cyber warrior" camp :D | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | the argument is about as retarded as saying that "one real warrior can be more valuable than" bla bla. sure, the guy who puts up the flag can be misrepresented so and so. | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | but otherwise, it's about two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters than it is to find passible language-of-the-week coders. | [15:22] |
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Adlai | nobody was suggesting calling coders "cyber warriors", this was about hackers crackers and stuxers | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | yaya. | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | im sure. | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | just like nobody is calling retarded journalist cunts "core developers" on the basis of their merging gender changes to pronouns in documentation on github. | [15:26] |
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mircea_popescu | to the grief of women actually involved with computers. whoi aren't a market for the niggers, because they're smart and few, which makes it too expensive. | [15:26] |
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Adlai | sounds like a malamanteau of "her" and "sir" | [15:27] |
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Adlai | !ud malamanteau | [15:27] |
Adlai | assbot: pls | [15:27] |
mircea_popescu | țîr m. (ngr. tziros) : a small fish. | [15:29] |
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mircea_popescu | "The slightly good news is that PID 1 segfaulting does not reboot the machine on the spot. " | [15:33] |
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mircea_popescu | "Attempts to log in or to su to root from an existing login either fail or hang." | [15:33] |
mircea_popescu | " dude it's so great to be back on windows, seriously" << fifty million "experts" running systemd | [15:33] |
mircea_popescu | The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message. | [15:34] |
mircea_popescu | "The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message." | [15:34] |
mircea_popescu | "accidentally", all this, no doubt. | [15:34] |
mircea_popescu | (Oh, and journalctl goes out of its way to set up this behavior. Not by passing command line arguments to less, because that would be too obvious (you might spot it in a ps listing, for example); instead it mangles $LESS to effectively add the '-S' option, among other things.) | [15:35] |
asciilifeform | two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters << since when is cannon fodder in short supply? | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | note i was not talking about web experts. | [15:38] |
thestringpuller | random: is there a reason "crowd source" projects usually are of mediocre quality? | [15:40] |
thestringpuller | seems "flashy" and stuffs and not enough..."factor x" | [15:40] |
mircea_popescu | all crowd source projects constructed around an asshole succeed. like linux. and like systemd. | [15:41] |
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BingoBoingo | Updated: http://qntra.net/2015/01/prosecutors-seek-to-bar-dpr-interview-from-jury/ | [15:44] |
assbot | Prosecutors Seek to Bar DPR Interview From Jury – Updated | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS5M3Y ) | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | lol epic railroading. | [15:45] |
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jurov | i know several people who ended up running webserver on windows because "under linux we could never get everything working right, admin always fixing something" | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla of course my only takeaway is that the price is doing pretty well at strangling coinbase. lucky them that they managed a refinance. curious if bitpay announces anything soon. | [15:46] |
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BingoBoingo | Well Coinbase got financing. BitPay because of the publicity stunt gets belt tightening. | [15:47] |
kakobrekla | actually that bp thing smells like koruption to me | [15:48] |
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mircea_popescu | ? | [15:48] |
kakobrekla | the bowl sponsorship or whatever the fuck | [15:49] |
mircea_popescu | how'd that go ? | [15:50] |
BingoBoingo | Oh few things are as corrupt as College Football. It is gloriously corrupt. | [15:50] |
mircea_popescu | "medium awareness" << triple pun of win! | [15:53] |
BingoBoingo | I mean with the plantation slaves... I mean University Student Athletes... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932265/ | [15:53] |
assbot | "South Park" Crack Baby Athletic Association (TV Episode 2011) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS8vdC ) | [15:53] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this. << of course there's also the possibility they made it up. not the 1st time. | [15:54] |
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mircea_popescu | ps : "DDoS protection by CloudFlare" does not actually work. | [15:55] |
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Adlai | more like "DoS centralization courtesy of CloudFlare" | [15:56] |
BingoBoingo | Well of course. They probably don't have a giant folder with the whole SEC file. I wouldn't put it past them to have a friend who happens to be a government secretary somewhere. | [15:56] |
Adlai | "Why so serious? Let us put a smile on that face of yours, and turn a 404 into a 503 today!" | [15:56] |
Adlai | only9.99,termsandconditionsmayapply | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams? <<< the explanation is quite pedestrian. there's a bunch of fuctards who imagine they're "the coimmunity" notwithstanding they have no money and no political importance. because hey, they FEEL like they should matter. these derps ineffectually tried to prop up mtgox. they failed, but they don't wish to confront the why there, so instead the | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | y prefer blaming fatso. | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | who is generally stupid and lazy, and i doubt teh story will stick, but hey. angry narcissists. | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | Adlai thing is , page simply does not resolve unless you run bad software. | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | that's plenty of modern browsers, of course, but hey. | [15:58] |
BingoBoingo | Well somewhere I think someone brought up a govt agent suspecting Fatty was also Thermos | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | and obama. | [15:59] |
BingoBoingo | Sure. | [15:59] |
BingoBoingo | Karpeles is probably secretly Lizard Hitler too. | [15:59] |
mircea_popescu | punkman: "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE" << lolz. rly ?! | [15:59] |
mircea_popescu | what's next, bifinex is a lulzy scamfest and btcjam loses 30% of your moneyz every coupla quarters ? | [16:00] |
mircea_popescu | soon enough 2012 will be like, rediscovered. | [16:00] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, you mean Bitfinex like https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t2oss/bitfinex_exchange_owner_admits_to_using_inside/ | [16:02] |
assbot | Bitfinex exchange owner admits to using inside information to trade on own platform : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSaVsH ) | [16:02] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [16:03] |
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Adlai | good thing bitfinex doesn't trade stocks and there's no such thing as insider forex trading | [16:04] |
Adlai | (fsvo "good") | [16:04] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin is elastic, it can be anything you want it to be. "commodity" | [16:06] |
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kakobrekla | more like cumodity | [16:06] |
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mircea_popescu | !up nubbins` | [16:07] |
-assbot- | You voiced nubbins` without time-limit. | [16:07] |
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mircea_popescu | hey ever managed to reg ? | [16:07] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/19/police-radar-see-through-walls/22007615/ | [16:07] |
assbot | New police radars can 'see' inside homes ... ( http://bit.ly/1xScwij ) | [16:07] |
mircea_popescu | ah ok | [16:07] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo "walls". ie, vinyl siding. | [16:08] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Of course. It's just amazing how shitware isn't limited to the stuff that Stan blawgs about. | [16:08] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [16:08] |
mircea_popescu | Yes, a MASTER CARVER who normally earns $450 (or is it $800 (or is it $3,000)) per hour is willing to make Butterfly Labs dildos for $18/hr. | [16:09] |
mircea_popescu | i lulzd. | [16:09] |
mircea_popescu | the last master carver to have made 3k an hour was known by his moustache. | [16:10] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` i dun think anyone who a) isn't mentally retarded and b) looked at any item more than cursorily failed to realise it's a computer etch. | [16:11] |
mircea_popescu | i know i sort-of considered having something done when he was first brought up but dropped after actually looking at w/e it was at the tgime. | [16:11] |
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mircea_popescu | !up STRML | [16:12] |
-assbot- | You voiced STRML for 30 minutes. | [16:12] |
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STRML | Thanks mircea_popescu | [16:13] |
mircea_popescu | you register your key with assbot, aquire some trust and then can self-voice. | [16:13] |
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nubbins` | mp XD | [16:13] |
STRML | Great, I'll check the docs | [16:13] |
mircea_popescu | !up diana_coman | [16:13] |
-assbot- | You voiced diana_coman for 30 minutes. | [16:13] |
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nubbins` | i'm in read-only mode in that thread from now on, it's too rich | [16:14] |
mircea_popescu | STRML assbot documented pretty well on wiki. | [16:14] |
nubbins` | like eating an entire cheesecake | [16:14] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` tbh i think it's forcing a point. anyone buying whatever on puffery is stuck. | [16:14] |
mircea_popescu | it's not fraud to say you're "a master artisan". it'd have been a fraud had it been a regulated profession. | [16:14] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: curious if bitpay announces anything soon. | [16:14] |
thestringpuller | ^- sooner than you think | [16:14] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [16:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00049359 = 12.3398 BTC [-] {3} | [16:15] |
nubbins` | fair enough | [16:15] |
nubbins` | i got drawn in by his insistence on obfuscating the fact | [16:15] |
mircea_popescu | and tbh, tiny chisels do exist. | [16:15] |
nubbins` | i know! | [16:15] |
mircea_popescu | mostly carbide tipped | [16:15] |
nubbins` | too bad he shows me the 3/4" ones instead | [16:15] |
mircea_popescu | expensive as all shit, the 1/26 1/32 stuff | [16:16] |
nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10219854#msg10219854 | [16:16] |
assbot | Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGACU7 ) | [16:16] |
nubbins` | ^ final send-off | [16:16] |
nubbins` | odd imperial sizes are a terrible thing | [16:16] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: rumor is they've been seeking more funding. dunno if they'll announce another round soon or not. | [16:16] |
nubbins` | you know how much a 9/16" drill bit costs? | [16:16] |
Adlai | STRML: you from bitmex? | [16:16] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller not much need for that to be a rumour. obviousness is obvious, i dun think anyone doesn't know they are. | [16:16] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` not by heart, but yes, you can probably buy a girl in the shadier part of town for less. | [16:16] |
nubbins` | i :0'd last time i had to buy one | [16:17] |
nubbins` | anyway, poor kid will learn his craft over time. i guess | [16:18] |
STRML | Adlai: Yep :) | [16:18] |
kakobrekla | !s bitmex | [16:18] |
assbot | 0 results for 'bitmex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitmex | [16:18] |
mircea_popescu | nah, this isn't really how you learn that. | [16:18] |
mircea_popescu | it'slikesaying kid driving will evetually learn to marathon | [16:18] |
STRML | kakobrekla: https://www.bitmex.com | [16:19] |
assbot | BitMEX - Bitcoin Mercantile Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSg3No ) | [16:19] |
nubbins` | heh | [16:19] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [16:19] |
nubbins` | i meant the craft of lasering things, perhaps in a booth at the mall | [16:19] |
mircea_popescu | that's basically how you make keys right ? | [16:20] |
STRML | We are a derivatives exchange for investors and speculators who are serious about the products they trade. I could give you the whole pitch but I don't want to spam the channel :) | [16:20] |
mircea_popescu | STRML so who is the serious traders that built it ? | [16:20] |
nubbins` | more or less | [16:20] |
nubbins` | http://imgur.com/TjoVNzd | [16:20] |
assbot | imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgp6V ) | [16:20] |
nubbins` | that type shit | [16:20] |
nubbins` | engraving/keycutting/lasering is a popular combo | [16:20] |
STRML | mircea_popescu: Our cofounders and board members have 40+ years combined in banking | [16:21] |
nubbins` | altho tbf keys are mostly still ground | [16:21] |
mircea_popescu | names if you will. | [16:21] |
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kakobrekla | 100 1yearold have 100 years experience | [16:21] |
STRML | Arthur Hayes - Deutsche Bank, and Joseph Jeong, DB, Credit Suisse, et al | [16:22] |
STRML | https://www.bitmex.com/app/aboutUs | [16:22] |
assbot | About Us - BitMEX ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgJTd ) | [16:22] |
mircea_popescu | "BitMEX is the first centrally cleared derivatives exchange. " << the first it certainly isn't. | [16:22] |
mircea_popescu | ah, i clicked the about but nothing happened. js issue i guess. | [16:22] |
thestringpuller | Everyone thinks bitcoin is ready for options again cause they know how to write JS | [16:23] |
STRML | We don't think it's ready for options at all, actually | [16:23] |
thestringpuller | "This platform is bugged" "But it looks pretty!" | [16:23] |
mircea_popescu | "Arthur Hayes obtained his BA in Economics at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania in 2008. " | [16:23] |
mircea_popescu | this is the antithesis of "experienced" you know. | [16:24] |
STRML | I understand, the majority of our experience is in our engine author who wishes to remain unnamed | [16:24] |
thestringpuller | makes it easier to take the money and run | [16:25] |
STRML | For him, perhaps, not for us | [16:25] |
STRML | We are very public about who we are | [16:25] |
Adlai | well you could just get the engine sauce audited, then revoke anonybob's access | [16:25] |
STRML | To be clear, that was a joke; we use multisig internally, it is not possible for our unnamed cofounder to cut and run | [16:25] |
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STRML | The only reason he is as of yet unnamed is because he is still employed | [16:25] |
Adlai | ah yes, the fabled noncompete | [16:26] |
BingoBoingo | !b 2 | [16:26] |
assbot | Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VTSEYM.txt ) | [16:26] |
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* | Adlai has yet to hear of successful noncompete litigation | [16:26] |
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mircea_popescu | so Jeong threw some money , which is what he does, a sicrit expert wrote "the engine" and an eager black guy class of 2008 wants to play the danny brewster. | [16:27] |
STRML | Is this channel usually so hostile? | [16:27] |
Adlai | yes :) | [16:27] |
mircea_popescu | depends to what. | [16:27] |
STRML | We are nothing but open about what we do and how we do it, with the exception of that cofounder's name | [16:27] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [16:27] |
STRML | I believe we're a breath of fresh air in the derivatives space, which is dominated by players who barely understand derivatives to begin with | [16:28] |
mircea_popescu | by the way, anyone remember reddit ? http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/ << top kek. | [16:28] |
assbot | Neo & Bee: the first genuine alternative to traditional banking ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGDKPW ) | [16:28] |
mircea_popescu | STRML do you understand the space between a claim and a fact ? anyone can say that. in fact, people tend to. this doesn't correlate with anything substantial. | [16:28] |
STRML | And we're the only derivs exchange that doesn't do socialized losses. It takes a far different approach to guarantee something like that | [16:28] |
STRML | Of course your word means little in the Bitcoin space | [16:29] |
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STRML | It's a matter of building a reputation and maintaining it. Only way to do that is to consistently be trustworthy over a significant period of time. | [16:29] |
mircea_popescu | STRML no, not my word. my word means plenty. your word means little, but for very good reason : 1) you're not in the wot and b) you've not do your reading. | [16:30] |
mircea_popescu | done* | [16:30] |
STRML | Just because I haven't spent much time on this particular IRC channel doesn't mean that I, and by extension my company, is untrustworthy | [16:30] |
BingoBoingo | !up felipelalli | [16:30] |
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STRML | But I am happy to enter the WoT | [16:30] |
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danielpbarron | "Blazedout commissioned a $14,000 art piece. I shipped it first and he followed through with payment as promised." << LOL, Blazedout419 was the sucker? | [16:31] |
BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: Isn't he often that? | [16:31] |
danielpbarron | :D | [16:31] |
kakobrekla | thats all he is really. | [16:31] |
nubbins` | heh | [16:31] |
nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931109 | [16:31] |
assbot | Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSjMuq ) | [16:31] |
nubbins` | :o | [16:31] |
danielpbarron | i didn't realize he had such a reputation in here! I mostly know about him from when i used to idle in -otc | [16:32] |
kakobrekla | no, he is the perfect scam magnet | [16:32] |
kakobrekla | one of the rare ones still working. | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | no, that it doesn't. my suspicion is, as far as i'm personally concerned, grounded mostly in the fact that you had no idea that, for instance, mpoe covered ~30k btc worth of derivative losses without "sociualising". this in 2013. | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | see http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ etc. | [16:32] |
assbot | MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSk58H ) | [16:32] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` what's the video proof ? | [16:33] |
asciilifeform | btw, re: photos: typical laser cut. some even show signs of raster scan. | [16:33] |
nubbins` | he's, uh, coming up with it in the next few days. | [16:33] |
mircea_popescu | danielpbarron yeah im with kako, they seem to stick to him somehow. | [16:33] |
nubbins` | the thread's there so he doesn't need to waste time making it later. | [16:33] |
mircea_popescu | oh i see. it'd better be some sort of "leave britny alone!!!1" thing. | [16:34] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i have nfi what posseses someone to take a perfectly valid product and pretend it's something else. | [16:35] |
asciilifeform | would someone like to explain why the wood art fellow insists he does not use a laser? (he has photos of lathe, chisel, etc. but those are clearly necessary to forming the basic contours prior to lasering. so no surprise. but why does he deny the use of the laser?) | [16:36] |
kakobrekla | cause the lasers dont come out of his eyes | [16:36] |
thestringpuller | STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile? << You're asking to put your arm into the woodchipper and we're telling you its not going to be fun if you do. | [16:36] |
mircea_popescu | "How many times you look at it. It was clearly carve by a 40 to 60 watts co2 laser. " << i'm with him. looks just about right. | [16:36] |
STRML | thestringpuller: Hah you're not wrong at all | [16:37] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` (btw, asciilifeforms been doing a ton of plastic and other matter cutting with an actual laser for cardano project, so... expert testimony) | [16:37] |
mircea_popescu | https://i.imgur.com/K0g0N4kl.jpg ahahaha wut. THAT is the proof ? | [16:38] |
asciilifeform | a little bit of laser, yes. anyone who has so much as tried a laser cutter will recognize the result in the photo. | [16:38] |
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assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSlPyx ) | [16:38] |
mircea_popescu | dude i have one of those. I used it recently to fix a door | [16:38] |
mircea_popescu | make way for master craftisan / doorartist me. | [16:39] |
asciilifeform | imho that thread was merely an elaborate troll. | [16:39] |
mircea_popescu | you're too suspicious asciilifeform. most people are actually dumb. | [16:39] |
mircea_popescu | incidentally, since doormouse exists, maybe it's time to have doorartist too ? someone using half pound chisels as proof of artisanry? | [16:40] |
BingoBoingo | Linux needs to dump Linus girl's story http://pastebin.com/3jAQARCy | [16:40] |
assbot | My Statement - Shanley - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSmr7k ) | [16:40] |
thestringpuller | BingoBoingo always /w da dramatic scoop | [16:41] |
mircea_popescu | "Last Thursday, I criticized the Linux community for continuing to support and center a leader with a years-long, documented history of unrepentant abusive behavior, someone who has actively and systematically nurtured a hostile, homogeneous technical community, and someone who has long actively chased people from marginalized groups out of open source." | [16:41] |
BingoBoingo | thestringpuller: Seems to be an especially strong week for drama. I anticipate Moon. | [16:41] |
mircea_popescu | this is what linus is. no name, no nothing, anon idiot gets to use his own qualifiers. | [16:42] |
mircea_popescu | "The retaliation has been terrifying." << no, it hasn't. | [16:42] |
mircea_popescu | not nearly terrifying enough. | [16:42] |
STRML | mircea_popescu: Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do, I didn't realize you were behind MPEx | [16:43] |
STRML | My partners are much more tuned into finance and the Bitcoin scene than I am, I handle the web aspects of the service | [16:43] |
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mircea_popescu | but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer. | [16:43] |
BingoBoingo | STRML: Who do you think put the MP in MPEx | [16:43] |
BingoBoingo | !up STRML | [16:43] |
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mircea_popescu | which is why i said "depends to what". if you come in and say "hi guise, remember that problem with the derivatives ? check out this solution i figured out!!!" | [16:44] |
mircea_popescu | if the solution is actually good that gets you a spot. | [16:44] |
asciilifeform | -dormouse-. hibernates, edible. | [16:44] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no price signal << MP ain't opening the studio up until this is fixed | [16:44] |
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mircea_popescu | but the usual "hey i made a company which is a website which makes claims which are either trivially falsified or not provable because reasons", well... | [16:44] |
mircea_popescu | we get a lot of those. | [16:44] |
BingoBoingo | !up diana_coman | [16:44] |
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asciilifeform | glis glis | [16:44] |
STRML | I completely understand what you're getting at | [16:44] |
STRML | And it's of course natural not to trust newcomers | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | except we trust newcomers all the time. | [16:45] |
STRML | Not much I can do about that. I can get our CEO on here at some point in the near future | [16:45] |
thestringpuller | lol | [16:45] |
thestringpuller | kid not listening | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#982621 << most recently... coupla days ago. | [16:45] |
assbot | Logged on 18-01-2015 21:55:19; mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred. | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | and there's plenty you can do about that. start with you know, the variety speak. | [16:45] |
undata | ahoy! I'll probably have a prototype working on testnet this evening or the next | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | "^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round." lmao that thread's so adorable. | [16:46] |
kakobrekla | [16:46] | |
mircea_popescu | undata pretty cool | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla buttplugs ?! | [16:46] |
kakobrekla | hm? | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | buttplug lube! doormouse blubber! | [16:47] |
kakobrekla | the fat? for skin issues and such | [16:47] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [16:47] |
kakobrekla | joints too i hear. | [16:47] |
asciilifeform | iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up | [16:47] |
kakobrekla | my grandfather still hunts em in the wild. | [16:48] |
mircea_popescu | "You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions." << you're screwed nubbins`. you know how many times ima link to this ? do you ? DO YOU ? :D | [16:48] |
nubbins` | haha | [16:48] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla aren't they trapped ? actually hunted instead ?! | [16:48] |
BingoBoingo | [16:48] | |
nubbins` | artisan dope smoker | [16:48] |
nubbins` | i don't think he realizes you can silkscreen on things other than t-shirts | [16:49] |
kakobrekla | yes, should be more specific, they are trapped | [16:49] |
kakobrekla | we still call it 'hunt' though. | [16:49] |
mircea_popescu | fu nubbins` that's a real profession. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/istanbul-141.jpg | [16:49] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSp49t ) | [16:49] |
nubbins` | ! | [16:50] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla for a moment there i had a vision of a tiny dog pack coursing for mice over a tiny field. | [16:50] |
kakobrekla | and hand grenades. | [16:50] |
mircea_popescu | well, smaller ones. thumb grenades. | [16:50] |
mircea_popescu | cherry bombs lol | [16:50] |
kakobrekla | :) | [16:50] |
* | BingoBoingo still wants a table salt shotgun for hunting spiders. | [16:50] |
asciilifeform | when i lived in a flat with mice, rats, i dreamed of tiny shotguns | [16:51] |
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nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868954.msg10220254#msg10220254 | [16:51] |
assbot | Wood Collectors Bitcoin Art ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSpuMM ) | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform tiny arbalest is feasible... | [16:51] |
nubbins` | the guy with the 5 day old account says he's legit | [16:51] |
kakobrekla | asciilifeform you mean in merrica? | [16:51] |
nubbins` | you can tell it's legit because it's almost the same username as the guy who originally commissioned the piece, then vanished without a trace | [16:51] |
mircea_popescu | "AND EVEN, if this pieces were carved by a laser... I would still love them and they would still be unique." win. | [16:52] |
mircea_popescu | let's not dispute the actual facts in contention but instead spew a ton of emotional bs. that's the way! | [16:52] |
mats | BingoBoingo: holy shit, that pastebin is terrible | [16:53] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: yes, in america, the flat i moved out of last may | [16:53] |
kakobrekla | well its 17.950 for the wood, 49 shipping and 1 dorra lazering | [16:53] |
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nubbins` | i think this is my first hate thread | [16:54] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla the DESIGN is unique. except for the part where this old woman whose daughter i used to fuck on occasion had a plastic tablecloth in the same color and pattern. | [16:54] |
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nubbins` | i'd bet it's free vector clipart | [16:56] |
nubbins` | obv no way to prove | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` it's your own fault tho, you worded it too strong. | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | it | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | a lack of taste is not really a scam | [16:56] |
nubbins` | more a misrepresentation than anything | [16:57] |
nubbins` | what can i say, grumpy morning 8) | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | but hey, it did get the lulz flowing. | [16:57] |
* | nubbins` nods sagely | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | " I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before." | [16:57] |
nubbins` | he puffs himself up so much, hey? | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | vanity, my favourite sin. | [16:59] |
fluffypony | https://hashtalk.org/topic/29764/false-light-tortious-interference | [16:59] |
assbot | Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/181ntcr ) | [16:59] |
fluffypony | "GAW should be evaluating this SEC investigation troll to see if the conditions are right for a libel suit against the people behind it. A retainer on a case like this would be in the vicinity of $50k - $100k and costs could run to $250k - $500k by the time its done. If such a case is to proceed it will take a minimum of two years, but an injunction against any further disparagement should be sought at once." | [17:00] |
fluffypony | lol | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | totally. | [17:00] |
BingoBoingo | More Gavin drippings http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html | [17:01] |
assbot | GavinTech: Twenty Megabytes testing results ... ( http://bit.ly/181nDAF ) | [17:01] |
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mod6 | oh here we go | [17:02] |
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mircea_popescu | https://www.sansleaf.com/ << 503 ? | [17:07] |
assbot | Error 503: Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1xStXiC ) | [17:07] |
nubbins` | here's an actual master carver | [17:07] |
nubbins` | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Grabovetskiy3.jpg | [17:07] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSu8dN ) | [17:07] |
nubbins` | essentially a BFL dildo. | [17:07] |
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mircea_popescu | nubbins` yeah, hand carving mostly consists of doing "the edges" specifically because laser chased them off the flat surface. | [17:08] |
nubbins` | yep | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | anwyay, that thread is exactly what one'd expect : everyone with even half a clue, all the way to smoothie saw the same thing i saw. we're not like experts or anything. | [17:09] |
nubbins` | content to just let it fester now, with the occasional jab to keep the bees from settling too much | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | "This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started." sounds like the social media artisan :D | [17:10] |
nubbins` | :D | [17:10] |
thestringpuller | LOL Gavin | [17:10] |
thestringpuller | HOLY FUCK | [17:10] |
nubbins` | the bulk of my clients | [17:10] |
thestringpuller | This graph | [17:10] |
nubbins` | do your clients need supportive undergarments? | [17:11] |
thestringpuller | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CuOEM9uwO5w-RwWGCCZpVGVFwhHHHegxJZqTP5KyapI/edit#gid=0 << mircea_popescu was right about him making block size infinite | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | i was right ?! | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | that like never happens. | [17:11] |
thestringpuller | Didn't he say to you, "No one is saying make the block size infinite" | [17:11] |
thestringpuller | on contravex or something? | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | o wait, usgavin lied ?! | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | that like... never happens! | [17:12] |
thestringpuller | and this graph is straight up exponent!!! | [17:12] |
thestringpuller | I KNO RTIE | [17:12] |
thestringpuller | USGavin is trustworthy and honest, and the hero bitcoin deserves and needs!!!!!111 | [17:13] |
thestringpuller | who cares if he killed two kids | [17:13] |
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mircea_popescu | whoa, dude actually butchered a chunk of berchemia to make his shotgun-cut atrocity ?! | [17:14] |
Apocalyptic | heh I see Gavin delivered, as expected | [17:14] |
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mircea_popescu | o look at that, from the actual expert in the field herself :) | [17:16] |
nubbins` | aw, tyvm | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` prepare to be famous. i hear you're really a woman ? | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | scientology much ? | [17:16] |
nubbins` | hanbot, i indulge too infrequently ;( | [17:17] |
nubbins` | mp does this mean pasc is a lesbo? | [17:17] |
hanbot | no, it means she's one of your multiple personalities. and a lesbo. | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | it's worse than that. it means... uh... hm. | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | well, worse anyway. | [17:18] |
nubbins` | oo | [17:19] |
nubbins` | thrilling | [17:19] |
ben_vulpes | so my bank shipped a new feature | [17:21] |
ben_vulpes | "log into your mobile app with your face" | [17:21] |
nubbins` | i was gonna try selling some of our bird books on the forum, but i guess i'll probably let things cool off for a bit | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` maybe help the idiot kids make a proper gpg contract? that shit's a sore eye by now | [17:21] |
ben_vulpes | i recorded a video of my face on biz_partners phone, and played it for the facial recognition shit | [17:21] |
ben_vulpes | and it logged me in | [17:21] |
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nubbins` | ben_vulpes heh | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes this is insanity ?! | [17:21] |
nubbins` | sikyoorady | [17:21] |
ben_vulpes | bank claims that this feature is being crammed down their throats by apple for apple pay | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | but.it.is.insanity | [17:21] |
ben_vulpes | naw man | [17:22] |
ben_vulpes | this is bezzle | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | so anyone can now log into any politician's account ? | [17:22] |
nubbins` | bezzle life | [17:22] |
ben_vulpes | anyways i tried to do the responsible disclosure thing | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | can i spend kim assdashian's money yet ? | [17:22] |
nubbins` | so i lost my username and password for the CRA website (canadian IRS) | [17:22] |
nubbins` | do you know it was the most goddamn inconvenient thing in the world to get reset? | [17:22] |
ben_vulpes | i'll give it mebbe a week and then release the video | [17:22] |
nubbins` | i was actually impressed at how frustrating it was | [17:22] |
undata | hilarious | [17:22] |
nubbins` | if someone could social engineer that shit, they deserve whatever they find | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes wait. you played his phone to your phone and it took ?! | [17:23] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu gets it | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | no fucking way | [17:23] |
ben_vulpes | way fucking way | [17:23] |
thestringpuller | yup | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | they didn't as much as put a glare cutoff in there ?! | [17:23] |
thestringpuller | fingerprint scanners are the same thing | [17:23] |
thestringpuller | you can literally photocopy someones finger | [17:23] |
thestringpuller | no need to cut figners off anymore | [17:23] |
ben_vulpes | watch me end up in jail for unauthorized access of my own accounts | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | i'm so fucking blown away... | [17:24] |
ben_vulpes | bank claims its apple | [17:24] |
ben_vulpes | apple refuses to say anything | [17:24] |
ben_vulpes | and i can't figure out how to turn it off | [17:25] |
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kakobrekla | lol | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | so wait. i have a humongous library of 2257 notices. prolly tens of k's. | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | does this mean i can log into all the girl's accounts now ? | [17:25] |
ben_vulpes | notices? | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | pron thing, the usians came up with this idiotic law that you must make so and so footage of models. | [17:26] |
ben_vulpes | oh yeah | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | unsurprisingly, it includes their mugs. unsurprisingly, anyone ever involved ended up with copies, | [17:26] |
ben_vulpes | if their banks are using the thing | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | because people were so petrified they might lose a set. | [17:26] |
ben_vulpes | as one should be... | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | the hard problem of back-ups for people who don't crypto. | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | this is beyond stupid. | [17:27] |
ben_vulpes | OKAY IVE DISENROLLED | [17:27] |
undata | they'll improve it by proposing chip-in-hand | [17:27] |
ben_vulpes | chip in dick | [17:27] |
ben_vulpes | dickterprints | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno how you can continue with that bank. | [17:27] |
ben_vulpes | yeah. | [17:28] |
ben_vulpes | well hey here's another fun thing | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, go rape a toddler instead. better off for society. | [17:28] |
thestringpuller | people still use banks? | [17:28] |
thestringpuller | my grandparents told me to put money under mattress | [17:28] |
thestringpuller | and not trust banks | [17:28] |
ben_vulpes | apple pay's going to try to gobble all the banks, so if my bank's truthful about it being apple's fault, i'll just end up with the same problem. | [17:28] |
thestringpuller | so I've been doing that | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes no matter. | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | cause, not effect. | [17:28] |
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mod6 | thestringpuller: they were right, except they didn't figure in fed[ctrl+p] | [17:29] |
jurov | really, 10x blocksize increase every 5 years? | [17:30] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov no, not really. just in the parallel universe where usg matters. | [17:30] |
jurov | in past i was arguing in favor of increasing the limit, too.. but no such madness | [17:31] |
Apocalyptic | jurov, well reddit wants moon, I guess they got it | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | fork is a bad idea anyway. | [17:31] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu 2257.com available or what? | [17:32] |
nubbins` | it's a public service | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | it actually is ? | [17:32] |
jurov | i'm surprised gavin isn't considering rule like "allow for blocksize increase if tx fees bigger than some % of coinbase" | [17:33] |
jurov | no he must do it in stupidest way possible | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | jurov you realise how easy this is to game ? | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | miner makes a block out of tx with huge fees that he doesn't broadcast. if it goes in, it's in. if not, no loss. | [17:34] |
jurov | what? it would be based on lots of past blocks, not only one | [17:35] |
mircea_popescu | so ? | [17:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93068 @ 0.00048435 = 45.0775 BTC [-] {3} | [17:36] |
jurov | like difficulty.. i meant is only as illustration as opposed to diddling magic numbers | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | i mine 1k btc as fees. what now ? | [17:36] |
BingoBoingo | http://t.co/wyp4DnR3in | [17:36] |
assbot | Verizon sprints to crush FiOS account exposure hole • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqLzwu ) | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | "XDA senior software developer Randy Westergren said the FiOS API flaw since fixed allowed any account to be accessed by manipulating user identification numbers in web requests." shit sherlock. | [17:37] |
jurov | it averages over past 10000 blocks | [17:37] |
jurov | what would you gain? to count you'd have to publish the block anyway so that it isn't orphaned | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | i can do it probably ten times in 10k blocks with very little costs. | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | block i publish. the tx however, i don't broadcast. | [17:38] |
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mircea_popescu | "The app hacker quietly reported the holes to Verizon which issued a fix Friday, two days after it was disclosed, and rewarded Westergren with a year's worth of free internet." << heh, bad deal. | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | what happened to "verizon fired its entire security staff, hired hacker to form a new team" ? | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | "fifty eight men join plumbing school as the notion they will ever be hired to do anything with computers is laughable" | [17:39] |
BingoBoingo | Plumbing school admits on its own WoT | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | i guess that leaves bagging groceries. | [17:41] |
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BingoBoingo | I mean someone is going to have to vouch you aren't a shithead to get an apprenticeship | [17:42] |
BingoBoingo | !up felipelalli | [17:42] |
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mircea_popescu | "If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself." << i have personally fucked women whose time was actually that sort of money. i bought lunch. | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | THIS HAPPENS NUBBINS` | [17:44] |
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jurov | mircea_popescu: you would be able to do it only every 100 blocks and since you wouldn't then use external tx fees, rather unprofitable | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | jurov i don't get your logic. why can't i use external tx fees ? | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | i can put anything i want in a block. | [17:46] |
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jurov | to avoid then lowering the % | [17:47] |
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jurov | *them | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | not clear why only once in 100, but granted that, 10 btc in fees per block on average is like what, 1mn% more than now ? | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | uh, you want a per tx% ? i thought you just wanted per block aggregate. | [17:48] |
jurov | per volume | [17:48] |
jurov | % of volume | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | that's even noisier you realise. | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | i put in a satoshi with 1k fee. | [17:48] |
jurov | and you wouldn't be able to spend the 1k again in 100 blocks | [17:48] |
jurov | or how much it is | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | 120 ? is that just for newly minted coins or fees too ? | [17:49] |
jurov | the tx fees go together with newly minted coins afaik | [17:50] |
Apocalyptic | well the newly minted coins and the fees are in the same output | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | aha yeah. ok. | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | still, not enough of a hobble. | [17:50] |
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jurov | *shrug* i can see miners fixing thousands of bitcoins in attempt to raise blocksize, but how feasible scenraion it is, dunno | [17:53] |
jurov | *scenario | [17:53] |
BingoBoingo | Blocksize http://www.wired.com/2014/06/wuwt-traffic-induced-demand/ | [17:53] |
assbot | What's Up With That: Building Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqPwkV ) | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | jurov make an actual model and i can show you numerically how feasible it is. or otherwise, estimatively, it'd cost about 1 btc to make the blocks any arbitrary size. | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | https://i.imgur.com/TkRbrHp.png da fuck is that ?! | [17:56] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqQ6ze ) | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | incredible what a thing that forum is. | [17:57] |
jurov | let's say blocksize is allowed to go up by 10% if > 10% of volume are tx fees in past 2016 blocks (same as difficulty) | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | 10% of volume ?! | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | hory shit, i yield. | [17:58] |
jurov | yes, let's be conservative | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | well just don't make it scale down bvy the same formula | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | (tbh such a change is pure gunk, bitcoin will NEVER carry 10% fees, ever. period.) | [18:00] |
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jurov | why not? | [18:00] |
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jurov | tx fees will certainly end up higher than now, but how much? | [18:02] |
jurov | how much % asks swift? | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | swift is fixed fee. | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | currently tx fees are in the range of 0.000000001% to 0.001%. they will increase, yes. degrees of magnitude, yes. past 1% as an average is unlikely, because alternatives will become lucrative enough. such as you know, people would stop "tipping" etc. | [18:05] |
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jurov | hm, 1% in current situation means 5-10 BTC per day | [18:12] |
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jurov | would stay much less than mining reward this century | [18:12] |
asciilifeform | bigger roads.. traffic worse << impedence mismatch. see also example, 'belady's anomaly', in computing/electronics | [18:13] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov the current situationb isn | [18:14] |
mircea_popescu | is not the be all-end all to judge things on. | [18:14] |
mircea_popescu | a system where 1k btc out of a 15mn currency base moves EACH DAY has exceedingly slow velocity. | [18:14] |
mircea_popescu | as btc matures, velocity will approach more reasonable values. | [18:15] |
jurov | i dunno if it's possible for the volume to be magnitudes more | [18:15] |
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mircea_popescu | i would suspect once we've beheaed gavin for things to proceed apace and by 2020 or so to have a more reasonable 50 to 100k move daily, of which that 1% is then maybe 50 btc a day. | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | as this carries on eventuyally fees will exceed block rewards sometime that decade. | [18:16] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: Interesting comparison in SimCity. So you plan roads all willy nilly. I like curves yay! Etc. anyhow. traffic starts building up cause your shit ain't planned well. | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | jurov not possible huh ? compare M3 to world trade figures. | [18:16] |
thestringpuller | So you upgrade the roads | [18:16] |
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thestringpuller | to 4 lanes instead of 2 | [18:16] |
thestringpuller | well guess what the buildings nearby the roads upgrade too | [18:16] |
jurov | world trade incl forex ? | [18:16] |
mircea_popescu | jurov all trade. | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | all of it. everything. | [18:17] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: in real life, the jams begin immediately after the road is widened. because impedence mismatch, elementary. nothing to do with the population around the road, on that timescale. | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform notice the very convenient "uilding Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse" just on the tail end of two decades of "we can't actually afford to build anything anymore" and as "we can't really even maintain what we got" sets in. | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | eerilie reminiscent of how "financial discipline" was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | but somehow it's NOT what the us has to do, once the us turned into a cold war ghetto. | [18:18] |
thestringpuller | ^- this is essentially simulated in older versions of sim city | [18:19] |
thestringpuller | then you start operating on cheat codes | [18:19] |
thestringpuller | aka QE | [18:19] |
thestringpuller | type "FUNDS" several hundred times | [18:19] |
asciilifeform | the traffic-obeying-impedence and other fluid dynamics laws has been known for ages. | [18:19] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: yea but we don't pay our civil engineers nearly enough, or allocated enough money to design to warrant good roads in this country at least. | [18:20] |
danielpbarron | i remember simcity on snes where you had to intentionally get taxed into negative to get the money value to wrap around to 999`999 | [18:20] |
asciilifeform | 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills. | [18:20] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [18:20] |
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mircea_popescu | but somehow it's not now the case that *I* should waltz in washington and buy the monument for a few bitcents. | [18:21] |
mircea_popescu | odd how this "experts agree" thing works. | [18:21] |
thestringpuller | how is it odd? | [18:21] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: remember that ruin you showed me in Timis? asked 'what does it cost', and you said 'you can buy but city hall'll make you clean it' | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller the definition of an expert is, fundamentally, "one whose judgements are not based on his own circumstance". | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i wouldn't clean it, i'd just host impalement orgies for kidnapped daughters of the "elite" doing whatever women's studies bullshit in college. | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | a decade or two of that should put the country on pretty decent footing. | [18:23] |
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mircea_popescu | it did in russia, at any rate. romania idem. | [18:23] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: that -is- cleaning. | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | myeah, i guess so. | [18:23] |
BingoBoingo | !b 6 | [18:23] |
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mircea_popescu | check this inane shit out | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | "to take a closer look at the problem. In 2009, two economists—Matthew Turner of the University of Toronto and Gilles Duranton of the University of Pennsylvania—decided to compare the amount of new roads and highways built in different U.S. cities between 1980 and 2000, and the total number of miles driven in those cities over the same period. | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | “We found that there’s this perfect one-to-one relationship,” said Turner. | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | If a city had increased its road capacity by 10 percent between 1980 and 1990, then the amount of driving in that city went up by 10 percent. If the amount of roads in the same city then went up by 11 percent between 1990 and 2000, the total number of miles driven also went up by 11 percent. It’s like the two figures were moving in perfect lockstep, changing at the same exact rate." | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | academics in the scholarly academic topic of correlation is causation. | [18:24] |
asciilifeform | get married, grow taller! | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | "when divorce occurence in a population increases by 10%, the per-capita dependent children figure goes up by 10%. when 12%, 12%. clearly, divorce causes fertility." | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | "it's not like we're counting fewer people as a basis or anything" | [18:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00047714 = 25.5747 BTC [-] {2} | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | "nothing substantial has changed anywhere else but where we want you to look. please infer" | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | fucking roadshow circus tricks, wtf. | [18:26] |
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mircea_popescu | http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsea2tJlIm1qcjzz2o1_500.jpg << intelligent, educated young woman doing expert work. in sheer contrast to the idiots quoted above, who suck. | [18:28] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/155tLpj ) | [18:28] |
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scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/gavin-andresen-on-future-blockchain-security-i-dunno-lol/ | [18:30] |
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jurov | i gathered velocity of world money is somewhere around 1-2 yearly.. and yes, such velocity means 50-100k BTC/day | [18:33] |
ben_vulpes | odd question | [18:33] |
ben_vulpes | what's the opposite of a fixed asset? | [18:33] |
ben_vulpes | (i suspect that when you increase road surface by 10%, road miles go up far more than that) | [18:34] |
jurov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_asset << opposite of this? | [18:34] |
assbot | Fixed asset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH00ro ) | [18:34] |
ben_vulpes | pretty much, jurov | [18:37] |
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BingoBoingo | http://man.aiju.de/1/fortune | [18:38] |
assbot | fortune page from Section 1 of the /1/fortune manual ... ( http://bit.ly/155xljr ) | [18:38] |
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BingoBoingo | looks like plan 9 development is picking up https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/features | [18:40] |
assbot | features - | [18:40] |
undata | BingoBoingo: google leaning into it? | [18:40] |
BingoBoingo | undata: Nah, just some group forked it and is hosting the thing on google code | [18:40] |
undata | interesting | [18:41] |
BingoBoingo | http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/news/2014/12/11/0/ | [18:41] |
assbot | news - 2014 - 12 - 11 - 0 ... ( http://bit.ly/155ysQ9 ) | [18:42] |
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BingoBoingo | Related http://http02.cat-v.org/ | [18:43] |
assbot | HTTP 0.2 (ie., HTTP 2.0 / 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/155z7kl ) | [18:43] |
asciilifeform | http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/browse/rc/bin/feminize | [18:43] |
assbot | feminize - | [18:43] |
BingoBoingo | latest diff https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?spec=svn8cd112f650b1e4f831de26631de627465bceb219&r=e263d58bfeda6b441179595bc44d0ef00374c75f | [18:44] |
assbot | e263d58bfeda - | [18:44] |
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thestringpuller | cazalla be in hiding? | [18:46] |
BingoBoingo | Mebbe | [18:47] |
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joecool | o you guys upgraded the bot | [18:51] |
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thestringpuller | joecool: kakobrekla upgraded the bot | [18:55] |
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joecool | thestringpuller: probably for the best, is the db still centralized to the WoT or is it a new system? | [18:56] |
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thestringpuller | joecool: 2 wotdb's now | [18:58] |
thestringpuller | joecool: assbot updates its own wotdb forked from nanotube 's | [18:58] |
thestringpuller | so there are now 2 wot's | [18:58] |
joecool | thestringpuller: ah, is there a particular reason why it was useful to fork? | [18:59] |
thestringpuller | joecool: http://qntra.net/2015/01/assbot-gains-web-of-trust-functionality/ | [19:00] |
danielpbarron | joecool, everyone else was doing it! | [19:00] |
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danielpbarron | not gonna let anderpson show us up | [19:01] |
thestringpuller | ^- that's a good one :D | [19:05] |
joecool | thestringpuller: so does this bot support ratings as well? | [19:06] |
joecool | that are stored separate from the original WoT db? | [19:06] |
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thestringpuller | that's the tl;dr of it | [19:10] |
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mircea_popescu | so wait, "you must accept MY altchain because otherwise you get a CHOICE of alt chains" ? this is the gavin pro-fork argument ? | [19:13] |
mircea_popescu | it's funny what vanity does to people. is he actually blind to how his entire position reduces to "i wish to be relevant, damn the world" ? neat. | [19:13] |
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asciilifeform | soon we find out whether the button given to the usg shill is actually wired to anything ? | [19:23] |
mircea_popescu | i guess so. | [19:23] |
mircea_popescu | hard to tell, the one thing cowards and idiots have in common is that both talk the tough talk all the way through. | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | only real difference being the idiots don't have sense enough to chicken out right before the jump | [19:25] |
hanbot | commented on his blogspot lol | [19:26] |
mircea_popescu | im not gonna blogspot. | [19:32] |
thestringpuller | but you'll wordpress? | [19:40] |
thestringpuller | hanbot: lemme guess "Congrats on being an idiot gavin" is you? | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. wordpress is at least open source shit. | [19:43] |
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thestringpuller | asciilifeform: would this be like cartoon where someone threatens to fire nuke. presses button, and out pops confetti and lil' jon yelling "YEAAA BOMBS!!!!" ??? | [19:48] |
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undata | !b 1 | [19:50] |
assbot | Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25FG6FV.txt ) | [19:50] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/451/451.html | [19:55] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1BciBuI ) | [19:55] |
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scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-board-of-indirectors/ | [20:00] |
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scoopbot | New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-january-15th-2015-statement/ | [20:06] |
scoopbot | New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/bitcointalk-staff/ | [20:06] |
davout | lesson: don't fuck with your permalinks | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.avictorian.com/fanlanguage.html << just in case anyone is morbidly curious | [20:07] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/181INP6 ) | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | (yes the fan convention existed) | [20:07] |
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mircea_popescu | (and this is the author's tit : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Madame_de_Genlis_by_Lemoine.jpg in the good tradition that a woman must show her breasts ifshe wants to be taken seriously). | [20:09] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/181IXWP ) | [20:09] |
mircea_popescu | !up Sleepnbum | [20:09] |
-assbot- | You voiced Sleepnbum for 30 minutes. | [20:09] |
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nubbins` | but it's so oddly placed | [20:09] |
mircea_popescu | hand carved bitch | [20:09] |
davout | mircea_popescu: haha | [20:09] |
nubbins` | heh | [20:11] |
nubbins` | nah 100% laser | [20:11] |
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thestringpuller | ;;later tell cazalla send me PM when you get a chance. | [20:14] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:14] |
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nubbins` | crikey | [20:17] |
jurov | http://btc.yt/lxr/source/src/init.cpp << source xreference with clickable identifiers | [20:18] |
assbot | 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/181JLLi ) | [20:18] |
jurov | it will get reorganized, so far only upstream 0.5.3 for testing | [20:18] |
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ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: have you seen much actual derping in public about this nisman thing? | [20:19] |
jurov | and it's open for ad space preorders | [20:20] |
ben_vulpes | 404, jurov | [20:21] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me | [20:21] |
mircea_popescu | something like, "a bunch of people who appear bussed in, and some derps organizing". ie, it looked to me like astroturf. | [20:21] |
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jurov | ben_vulpes ahh it's the ersatz hosting | [20:21] |
mircea_popescu | but tell you what, da got assassinated by president (there's absolutely no doubt cristina kirschener ordered it, and it was an assassinate) and... no manifestation., | [20:22] |
mircea_popescu | nothing. | [20:22] |
mircea_popescu | so i am satisfied that all the "manifestations" are just so much empty theatre. | [20:23] |
jurov | was there any idea how to refer to patched releases? i need some handle under which to publish them in lxr | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 ^ | [20:23] |
ben_vulpes | jurov: how about you hold off on publishing the patched set for now. | [20:23] |
jurov | why? | [20:24] |
ben_vulpes | do you plan to run lxr on each patch? | [20:24] |
ben_vulpes | or to say, run an lxr instance for each successive patch? | [20:25] |
jurov | it does support multiple versions | [20:25] |
ben_vulpes | hm | [20:25] |
ben_vulpes | well, nm. ignore me | [20:25] |
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ben_vulpes | you might consider using the patch names as a handle | [20:26] |
ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: what kinds of "public meetings" happen? | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | you familiar with this thing where a bunch of people holding signs walk or stand ? | [20:28] |
ben_vulpes | myeah | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | that. | [20:28] |
jurov | i'll return to these patches later, now i have to finally fix the s3 suffering | [20:28] |
ben_vulpes | so they're *all* bogus? | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | yes, i believe so. | [20:28] |
ben_vulpes | jurov: s3 is suffering | [20:28] |
ben_vulpes | on whose dime? | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | govt can print. and does print. which is how it went bankrupt. | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | you can't get me to seriously think that some intricate point of policy yields 500 people holding signs in the street, | [20:29] |
ben_vulpes | and will again indubitably | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | and then simple political murder, of the most shameless sort, fails to stir three dudes. | [20:29] |
ben_vulpes | oh, this shit goes down for arcane policy points? | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | clearly the population is not naturally represented in this process. | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes to get a couple aweek you gotta scrape pretty thin yea ? | [20:29] |
ben_vulpes | yeah i think i'm going to hold off on moving to argentina until the next round of food riots clear out. | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | i like food riots. | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ? | [20:30] |
mircea_popescu | i would expect a degree of magnitude more pressure as a result of this rather than that. | [20:30] |
ben_vulpes | fear of those in power? | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | turns out, when a government is the terrorist, all is ok. but if individuals are the terrorists, oh noes, gotta make the press talk of nothing else for a month. | [20:31] |
ben_vulpes | spectre of the old regime? | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | well... | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | i am personally in favour of so much individual terrorism until it is inconceivable for the slightest hint of the state doing it, | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | whereas individual terrorism is regarded as ordinary and perhaps welcome. | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | so... love food riots. if president + government get raped and impaled, all the better. | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | hopefully they get replaced, and the replacements get raped and impaled as well. | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | and may this process outlast the century. | [20:33] |
hanbot | lol simmer down mp! | [20:34] |
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mod6 | jurov: what is lxr? | [21:03] |
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mod6 | this thingy? http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxr/ | [21:11] |
assbot | LXR Cross Referencer | SourceForge.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zv6jiU ) | [21:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00047409 = 18.1576 BTC [-] | [21:11] |
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scoopbot | New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/gavineries/ | [21:18] |
davout | mircea_popescu: "but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?" <<< easier for the media to blame teh arabs than to blame their president i'd say | [21:20] |
davout | but if this murder thing is that obvious, zero is indeed very low amount of protest | [21:20] |
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nubbins` | ^ | [21:34] |
nubbins` | apathy is the new concern | [21:34] |
mod6 | davout: thx for posting. | [21:34] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00047146 = 14.8981 BTC [-] | [21:36] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20049 @ 0.00047146 = 9.4523 BTC [-] | [21:53] |
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nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10222936#msg10222936 | [22:02] |
assbot | Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/156xEuk ) | [22:02] |
kakobrekla | >the best guess from our devs is that the bid was filtered out because the highest bid was > lowest ask. | [22:05] |
kakobrekla | hehe | [22:05] |
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thestringpuller | BingoBoingo: you around? | [22:16] |
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mircea_popescu | davout here's the story : big bombing here in the 70s, at the jewish center. dozens of victims. | [22:19] |
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mircea_popescu | teheran was behind it. first investigation said so. presidency (same fambly since forever) tabled it. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | they created a "joint comission" with iran. it didn't get anywhere. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | da finally came out and said, here's how the president is linked to the whole thing. | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | next day, he | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | 's "commited suicide". | [22:21] |
felipelalli | I made a mess here with html formatting: http://qntra.net/2015/01/gavin-andresen-on-future-blockchain-security-i-dunno-lol/#comment-7830 | [22:21] |
felipelalli | how can I fix that? I can't delete or update it. | [22:21] |
assbot | Gavin Andresen On Future Blockchain Security: I Dunno LOL! | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/156Ddsx ) | [22:21] |
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mircea_popescu | "Edit: On IRC, Gavin explained he already talked to most (all?) big merchant processors and exchanges, and they were all onboard." derp. | [22:25] |
asciilifeform | any reason to doubt that the usg exchanges and other scum are 'on board' (for what that's worth) ? | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | lots of reason to doubt that it's worth anything. | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | but yes, im sure gavin "talked" to everyone handled by the same office. | [22:26] |
asciilifeform | the academic question of whether the abortus will die merciful death or live on as circus freak ? | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | this is fine, the us wants to be humiliated on this front too, let it be humiliated on this front too. | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | just as long as it's plainly clear what's what. | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the "ukrainian government" still exists right ? | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` http://gfx9.com/angry-lion-graphics-vector-free/163321 lol. | [22:27] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/156EYGm ) | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | win. | [22:27] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: last i heard, not impaled yet | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | so if they're willing to commit to the same level, they'll get the same result. | [22:28] |
nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10223137#msg10223137 | [22:29] |
assbot | Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/156FBiY ) | [22:29] |
nubbins` | so much gold | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | "Every step of the way he kept me updated. " | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | you know, the fucking exchanges send like an email on everything now? | [22:31] |
nubbins` | "here is some hamster nesting sprinkled on your piece" | [22:31] |
nubbins` | "I happen to be a woodworker of 40+ years myself (yes, I really am that old) and I contacted WoodCollecter just a couple days ago to see if he was interested in buying some Ironwood, although I never looked at his work. Now i see this and my mind is completely boggled. I did not read every post here, but I can affirm the opinion of a few I saw that have said that the intricate carving in question is done with a laser. I am 100% sure about | [22:31] |
nubbins` | it. NO doubt, case closed." | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | from derpyexchange subject :"mouse movement detected" | [22:31] |
nubbins` | "You can clearly see the line by line marks left on this piece that are definitely, without a doubt, with 100% certainty left by a laser engraver exactly the same as a printer does:" | [22:31] |
nubbins` | lados | [22:31] |
asciilifeform | lol, what happened to scams that were at least plausible. | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | this one is just as plausible. all you need is to be stupid. | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | but folks that stupid ought to be buying brooklyn bridge. | [22:32] |
asciilifeform | or at least playing straight pyramids. | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | He did the BTC from memory << ok that's pretty good lol | [22:33] |
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mircea_popescu | nubbins` at this point, expecting a "well of course SOME PARTS were done with a laser but that's not what we were talking about" pivot for the entire "you're a bad person for hurting my feelings and i'm putting together a lynch party" talk | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | !up beautyon | [22:36] |
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nubbins` | yuss | [22:38] |
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mats | is concealing the laser job hard? | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [22:40] |
mats | sand the damn thing? | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | a) do not make too tiny cuts that wouldn't have survived mechanically b) clean the fucking piece. | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | this is like an E for effort level attempt. | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | very common problem people have on the internet, the "everyone is as stupid as me / everyone's a goat the same gender and age as me" issue. | [22:41] |
asciilifeform | this was some kind of record, no ? | [22:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57273 @ 0.00047683 = 27.3095 BTC [+] {3} | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [22:42] |
asciilifeform | for sheer idiocy of the expected chump | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | hard to tell, this. | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | it's like a diamond, depends which way the light falls. | [22:43] |
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asciilifeform | speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped | [22:45] |
asciilifeform | unless there is some unusually reliable record of the past concerning the object | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | "I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking" | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | he can still prove it to you, but only secretly and if oyu agree. | [22:46] |
asciilifeform | like mr. spam! | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | quite. | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | the river shapes the rocks, right ? | [22:46] |
asciilifeform | in BingoBoingo's words, the arse shapes the turd. | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | even better. | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | the funny thing (to me) here is, gotany idea how much of this shit floated before there was an internet ? | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | how many idiotic "artisans" filled each corner of england ? | [22:48] |
asciilifeform | actually, | [22:48] |
asciilifeform | i'm rather fond of old magazines. (mid 20th c. to late '70s, in particular.) the american ones are hilariously rich in sc4mz0r1ng | [22:49] |
asciilifeform | of every conceivable variety. | [22:49] |
nubbins` | nod | [22:49] |
nubbins` | dem back-page ads | [22:49] |
nubbins` | you have any idea how many fuckin miracles my folks didn't let me buy?! | [22:49] |
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asciilifeform | 'improve your memory, guaranteed, with scientology therapy.' ('popular mechanics,' 1958. classified ad.) | [22:50] |
asciilifeform | buried in ten thousand 'get rich growing turtles / sorting pigs / ... / ... - guaranteed' | [22:50] |
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asciilifeform | https://books.google.com/books?id=fdsDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&dq=popular%20mechanics%201958&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%201958&f=false | [22:56] |
asciilifeform | ^ example | [22:56] |
assbot | Popular Mechanics - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/156Nvc7 ) | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i mean it deeper than that. i mean, actual quacks passing for professionals. see, since the internet there's a line being drawn : sure both gavin and wood dude pass to a certain crowd as idiots for the genuine article. but there exists a thinking crowd that sees through it. | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | fifty or five hundred years ago, that wasn't a crowd. it was sole individuals, and the idiots were still a crowd. | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | if gavin were a blacksmith, he probably would have passed for a good one. if this guy were an actual lumberjack, he'd probably have counted for a fine lumberjack. | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | notwithstanding that he'd have a complex story as to how earthworms cause trees to flower | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | neh, he'd travel from town to town and proclaim that he'll fell tree with the power of farts | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | old men pretending to be teaching the young'uns "trigonometry" who thought pi = 3. | [22:59] |
asciilifeform | for a small fee. | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | nah. | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | there weren't as many of these. | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | genders don't preserve through the eons, they bleed. the french soldier of 1800 wasn't a soldier in 1750. he was a peasant. | [22:59] |
asciilifeform | that other kind - that was (and some would say still is!) - medicine. | [22:59] |
asciilifeform | anyone who has read medical treatises from as little as two centuries ago, will see a place for gavin et al in that profession | [23:00] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah i guess medicine is particularly apt. | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | right about at the time they tarred and feathered that asinine idiot who said they should wash hands | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | AS IF THEY WERENT GENTLEMEN | [23:00] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: http://www.exclassics.com/arist/ariintro.htm << familiar ? | [23:00] |
assbot | Aristotle's Masterpiece -- Introduction ... ( http://bit.ly/156OIAp ) | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | the type of plague that destroys the medical community, that guy. | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | a real ripper of a time! | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yes | [23:01] |
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mircea_popescu | "Question: Why would I go to the fucking dumpy ass trailer park called Lake Havasu when I am currently living in Carefree and 10 minutes from Scottsdale?" lol i was waiting for this. | [23:04] |
mircea_popescu | i was thinking umm lake havasu wtf. | [23:04] |
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mircea_popescu | One night, Charles Manners (Lord Lieutenant of Ireland) appeared in the regal box at the theatre on the same night that Peg was attending the show with her girls. Some wags in the gallery began shouting at her “Oy Peg! Who slept with you last night, Peg?” Peg gave them an imperious look, threw a dramatic glance at the Lord Lieutenant and in a scolding tone, said: “Manners, you dogs!” | [23:10] |
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decimation | re: lake havasu < connecting to your medical deal, several people have died swimming in that lake as I recall http://www.havasunews.com/news/new-reports-of-rare-brain-infections-surfacing/article_adadef24-056a-11e3-b7a8-001a4bcf887a.html | [23:13] |
assbot | New reports of rare brain infections surfacing - Havasu News: News ... ( http://bit.ly/156SjhE ) | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | odd | [23:14] |
decimation | it lives in warm freshwater, and finds that human brains are tastey | [23:14] |
mats | that's terrifying | [23:15] |
mats | thanks for ruining swimming decimation | [23:15] |
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asciilifeform | !s candiru | [23:15] |
assbot | 0 results for 'candiru' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=candiru | [23:15] |
asciilifeform | ^ also ruins swimming in certain spots | [23:15] |
decimation | sometimes the lake swims in you | [23:16] |
undata | warning to neti-pot users: same thing can happen... boil the water | [23:16] |
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mike_c | ;;later tell BingoBoingo draft submitted | [23:19] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [23:20] |
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mircea_popescu | !rated Luke-Jr | [23:28] |
assbot | You rated user Luke-Jr on 24-Jul-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within. | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | needs something under -10 | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | "Downsides of a hardfork are simply that all nodes who do not go along with the upgrade are left without a functioning Bitcoin node, and susceptible to fraud (double spending, etc). This means a mandatory update of every node in the wild, which could require hardware upgrades as well. Miners are not in any special position to decide a hardfork, and are at the mercy of the bitcoin users (mainly merchants and exchanges) | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | as far as hardforking goes." << the downside of a hardfork is that every user that buys into the gavin scam will be left without a bitcoin node. | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | he ~MAY~ receive a gavincoin node in exchange. maybe. | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps as valuable as an ethereum node, that. | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | ;;sell 1000 Gavin Scamcoins @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. | [23:31] |
gribble | Error: 'Scamcoins' is not a valid price input. | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. | [23:31] |
gribble | Error: '@750' is not a valid price input. | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. | [23:31] |
gribble | Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book. | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | doh. | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | !up Luke-Jr | [23:31] |
-assbot- | You voiced Luke-Jr for 30 minutes. | [23:31] |
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Luke-Jr | mircea_popescu: no, what you describe is an attack disguised as a hardfork | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | exactly what this is. | [23:31] |
Luke-Jr | a real hardfork is one where the community is in agreement on it | [23:31] |
Luke-Jr | mircea_popescu: there isn't anything yet, he hasn't even proposed one | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | there is no "community" agreement. reddit isn;'t the community. | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | and what lies gavin is sprouting to an eager ear... his problem. | [23:32] |
Luke-Jr | he's blogged about a possible proposal | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | i will just remind you that you actually believed the bfl scammers, and stained your own beard lieing about THAT delivery. | [23:32] |
Luke-Jr | when he proposes it, then people can argue for/against it, and either it will gain consensus or it won't | [23:32] |
Luke-Jr | I didn't lie. | [23:32] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah, you did. you were promised one thing, got another thing, they told you "it's just as good, pretend like you got the original". and you did. becauser you believed them, that delivery's imminent and errything. | [23:33] |
Luke-Jr | mircea_popescu: what? I said I got what i got. | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | same shit's happening here. gavin is lying, and you're falling for it. | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | mneah. | [23:33] |
Luke-Jr | mircea_popescu: did you read the discussion earlier in #bitcoin-dev ? nobody is going to just go along with this as it is right now. | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [23:34] |
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Luke-Jr | mircea_popescu: Gavin wants to know what has to happen for people to agree to it - he isn't trying to force it through without consensus | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. | [23:35] |
gribble | Order id 21920 created. | [23:35] |
Luke-Jr | so unless you think dogmatically blocksize must remain 1 MB forever.. tell him what needs to happen to make you comfortable with it | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. | [23:36] |
gribble | Order id 21921 created. | [23:36] |
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mircea_popescu | including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge. | [23:36] |
Luke-Jr | ? | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://thebitcoin.foundation/ < | [23:38] |
assbot | ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykLRzl ) | [23:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00046197 = 16.1228 BTC [-] {2} | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla hey is there going to be a party on the log's 1mn th line ? | [23:42] |
Luke-Jr | so is this a Bitcoin Core fork? | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [23:42] |
undata | danielpbarron: damned quick on the twitter draw | [23:42] |
danielpbarron | :D | [23:43] |
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Luke-Jr | is there a place I can see the code? the ML archives linked a github, but it is 404 | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | jurov << ppl be complaining they can't see teh code ? | [23:44] |
mod6 | what's the link? | [23:45] |
Luke-Jr | github.com/adlai/bitcoin | [23:45] |
asciilifeform | see the code << they haven't a copy of 'tar' ? | [23:45] |
mod6 | Luke-Jr: not even sure where you found that link.. | [23:46] |
Luke-Jr | I see no tar, except a build | [23:46] |
Luke-Jr | mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000011.html | [23:46] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCqhcs ) | [23:46] |
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mod6 | If you don't want to bother digging through the mailing list for patches, you can just dl the tarballs under "Submitted Patches" on thebitcoin.foundation site | [23:49] |
mod6 | Although the rm_checkpoints one will probably be tabled before the end of the month. | [23:49] |
Luke-Jr | I don't want patches, I want the complete code. | [23:49] |
Luke-Jr | what are the patches even against in the first place? | [23:50] |
mod6 | Well, that's what there is: the v0.5.3 base + patch files. | [23:50] |
Apocalyptic | 0.5.3 afaik | [23:50] |
decimation | Luke-Jr: how do you discern the trustworthiness of the author? | [23:50] |
Luke-Jr | which patch contains the post-0.5.3 hardforks? | [23:50] |
Luke-Jr | decimation: why do I care about the author? | [23:50] |
decimation | indeed. | [23:51] |
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mod6 | there is not anything post v0.5.3 patched in at this point. | [23:51] |
Luke-Jr | so it doesn't even work? | [23:51] |
mod6 | it does work | [23:51] |
Luke-Jr | it can't, if you don't have the 0.8.1 hardfork patched in.. | [23:52] |
mod6 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=V2PzW2LP | [23:53] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1573yXv ) | [23:53] |
kakobrekla | it depend what means 'work' ? | [23:54] |
Luke-Jr | mod6: so it's like 3000 blocks behind? | [23:54] |
mod6 | dude, that was published on the 1st of january. | [23:55] |
Luke-Jr | ok, so how are you getting it to work without the hardfork? | [23:55] |
decimation | do you have a document describing what exactly changed in this hardfork? | [23:56] |
Luke-Jr | the bdb lock limitation was removed | [23:56] |
undata | Luke-Jr: inspect db_config.tar.gz maybe | [23:58] |
undata | that one diddles the knobs on bdb | [23:58] |
Luke-Jr | hmm | [23:59] |
Luke-Jr | that *might* work | [23:59] |
* | Luke-Jr compares with the 0.5.x backport of the hardfork | [23:59] |
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