Forum logs for 19 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla can multiple nicks be reg'd to same key ? [00:01]
kakobrekla neg [00:01]
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WolfGoethe welcome all [00:31]
BingoBoingo Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments [00:31]
assbot Linus Torvalds Does Not Give A Shit About You And Your Dumb Opinions ... ( ) [00:31]
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mircea_popescu meh, gawker. [00:32]
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BingoBoingo It's the most unGawker thing I've ever seen on Gawker [00:32]
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WolfGoethe what is happening in Ukraine Donesk now holds the fate of the world in the balance.... [00:33]
BingoBoingo Highligh:>> UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for di [00:35]
BingoBoingo versity then. I regret the error, and have updated the post to reflect that. [00:35]
WolfGoethe naturally... [00:35]
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decimation Eh, Ukraine is already Putin's [00:37]
BingoBoingo [00:39]
assbot 'I taught Shanley Kane how to troll, and I'm sincerely sorry' - Breitbart ... ( ) [00:39]
asciilifeform 'grow a motherfucking spine linux. get this asshole out.' << mega-lol! [00:39]
mircea_popescu lmao wut. [00:40]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo's link [00:40]
asciilifeform [00:40]
assbot Logged on 19-01-2015 03:27:36; BingoBoingo: Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments [00:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seriously, the dramas [00:40]
mircea_popescu is this like that one time when the idiot murican journos threw a fit that the french president didn't care about whatever stupid shit they had picked to make their world out of, and then were never heard from again ? [00:41]
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mircea_popescu what's linux going to do, name itself gavinus ? [00:41]
mircea_popescu "it's not new, it's the same thing!" [00:41]
mircea_popescu "we've just forked it because we're stupid. same thing!" [00:42]
* asciilifeform finds it somewhat odd that there is not yet an official 'rat king' (poettering?) to serve as an 'anti-linus' [00:42]
BingoBoingo Kinda, but with layers of stupid coming into conflict. A stupid schism. [00:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, they don't need a king you see. they're sans coulottes, they talk a lot, and that's all that's needed. [00:44]
asciilifeform lol! [00:44]
mircea_popescu well, that and changing all the he's to theirs. [00:44]
mats >> a piece of history [00:45]
mircea_popescu the only pity here is that linus is about as political minded as your average frog, and so instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux, strangling poettering by his own guts and so on, [00:45]
assbot MallocMaleficarum.txt ≈ Packet Storm ... ( ) [00:45]
mircea_popescu he just sits there and ignores the matter. [00:45]
* asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els [00:45]
mircea_popescu very important to promote a lot more people who are actually willing to kill these idiots, not just ignore them. [00:45]
mats >> wau. "legislation states that consent in sexual activity is an “affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement” and that intoxicated agreement does not count as consent." [00:46]
assbot Brown signs affirmative consent, undocumented student loan bills Sunday | ... ( ) [00:46]
mircea_popescu lol [00:46]
asciilifeform malleus maleficarum << classic [00:48]
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asciilifeform linus is about as political minded as your average frog... sits there and ignores... instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux << how's he to do that. [00:49]
asciilifeform without getting out of usa personally, rather. [00:49]
mircea_popescu no such rider in my statement. [00:49]
mircea_popescu but, simply refusing to merge anything in any way related to anyone who ever worked for red hat. [00:50]
asciilifeform ahaha. [00:50]
mircea_popescu for instance. [00:50]
asciilifeform how much from rathead is even getting merged in kernel ? [00:50]
mircea_popescu not exactly the point. poltics is not about what you do. [00:50]
decimation redhat does quite a bit of backporting [00:50]
mircea_popescu there must attach penalties to belonging in the progressive camp. [00:50]
decimation they also have some kernel devs on the payroll [00:51]
mircea_popescu the simple knowledge that you will NEVER be a linux developer, ever, is a good start. [00:51]
mircea_popescu i can then move to give linux more weight, and so on. [00:51]
mats [00:51]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [00:51]
asciilifeform i suspect that linus does, in fact, understand that he 'can also have problems.' [00:51]
mircea_popescu not a criterion. [00:51]
mircea_popescu stalin could also have problems. [00:51]
mircea_popescu up until he couldn't anymore, at which point all sorts of other idiots had a whole troughful of problems. [00:52]
decimation [00:52]
assbot Paid developers power the Linux kernel - CNET ... ( ) [00:52]
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mircea_popescu now that's politics. [00:52]
asciilifeform decimation: would be interesting to see who contributes something other than drivers for own hardware. [00:52]
mircea_popescu red hat makes hardware ?! [00:52]
decimation good point, they don't break that out [00:53]
asciilifeform not redhat, but, say, renesas and analog devices [00:53]
decimation redhat does not make hardware, but they provide guarantees for certain baselines [00:53]
asciilifeform amd, freescale, fujitsu, etc. [00:53]
mircea_popescu point remains : once there's a penalty to being a progressive, things can be turned into some sort of shape. [00:53]
decimation So you can be Redhat Certified (c) [00:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this almost certainly requires a dead usg, or at the very least one which is in no condition to sinecure progressives. [00:54]
mircea_popescu does not. [00:54]
mircea_popescu sinecure does not work. [00:54]
asciilifeform as it stands, the progressives want for nothing. [00:54]
mircea_popescu consider that the protestants choked the catholics, with a very lively french government that sinecured them to heaven. [00:55]
mircea_popescu sinecure is counterproductive if anything. [00:55]
asciilifeform their opponents, if too vocal and not independently wealthy - face starvation. [00:55]
mircea_popescu this is exactly their problem, that they want for nothing. [00:55]
mircea_popescu nothing easier to rape. [00:55]
mircea_popescu let the sinecure become a central point of the progressive - sane person debate. [00:56]
mircea_popescu that's already defeat, for them. [00:56]
asciilifeform is it not already the case ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu not amply enough. [00:56]
decimation the trouble is that nearly everyone in the us is one some dole or another [00:56]
mircea_popescu there's dire need for more politically minded people to make it a point. [00:56]
mircea_popescu decimation for as long as that lasts. [00:56]
BingoBoingo stalin could also have problems. << Well Tito is a serious amount of problem to have. [00:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo meant more in his odessa bank robbery days. [00:57]
decimation well, if 'making it not last' is the political strategy, then I suggest "stand back and watch them fail" [00:57]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure, but... never escaped his problem having potential [00:58]
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mircea_popescu preferably from a distance. [00:59]
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decimation after 1789, it was hoped that the new constitution would be well supported by 'moderates' [01:00]
decimation but it turned out that nobody who mattered was actually a moderate (in France) [01:01]
mircea_popescu no, it turned out the girondins were butchered first. [01:01]
mircea_popescu but that they mattered is preserved at least in the fact that their woman killed the journo. [01:01]
mircea_popescu had they had the sense to being moderate while out of france, and had they the internet & other means to do this... diff story. [01:02]
decimation it seems that some kind of similar thing is happening in us politics [01:04]
mircea_popescu if it is i dun see it [01:05]
* asciilifeform very much not seeing it [01:05]
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mircea_popescu all i see is progressing courtly fashions. [01:05]
mircea_popescu now everyone's wearing bras and marring their cat. [01:05]
decimation that's because the right and left have politically stalemated [01:06]
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decimation there's no policy that can change because there's no moderate party to support it [01:06]
mircea_popescu well... no. it's because everyone lives off crown benefits, and so no substantial differences to be had. [01:06]
mircea_popescu everyone agrees they need more money. [01:07]
decimation but that's usg policy since at least before wwii [01:07]
mircea_popescu country's not had a budget in what, like a decade ? [01:07]
mircea_popescu not a balanced budget mind you. just, you know, one at all. [01:07]
decimation since 2007 apparently [01:09]
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decimation although actually no, the last real budget in a bill was passed in 1997 [01:11]
assbot Does Congress Even Need to Pass a Budget? ... ( ) [01:11]
mircea_popescu aha. [01:11]
mircea_popescu closer to two decades by now. [01:11]
decimation there's a complex dance between what congress 'authorizes' and 'appropriates' [01:12]
mircea_popescu it's gotten to the point where inflation's being dressed up as necessary. well... it is. should interest rates move to a very liberal 5% the us is unable to finance even its interest alone. [01:12]
mircea_popescu not to mention the 7-8% [01:12]
decimation with the sudden oil price collapse, all Smart People are now seriously worried about deflation [01:14]
decimation here's an amusing takedown of 'what inflation is good': [01:16]
assbot Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? | RWCG ... ( ) [01:16]
decimation "Anyway let’s try to go back to first principles a little here. Read through the glowing, er, defense of inflation and it boils down to the same basic story: ‘oh noes wages are sticky’." [01:17]
danielpbarron Furuya used the men’s locker room shower, and allegedly was told by another gym patron to “Get your titties and go across to the other locker room. That’s where the women are. And, if you don’t go, I’ll remove you myself.” [01:23]
assbot Trans student allegedly told by SDSU staff to get out of men's locker room | LGBT Weekly ... ( ) [01:24]
decimation "why don't you guys love trannys you guys?" [01:24]
asciilifeform wai wat [01:25]
decimation lol from article: "but really when it comes to actually creating resources that support and protect transgender and other marginalized students, they have really dragged their feet and have taken a really long time…and in the meantime students’ lives are at risk.” [01:29]
decimation so, some guy telling a confused chick to leave the locker room is the same as murdering? [01:29]
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danielpbarron someone pasted that link in an irc channel for "reddit christians" from which i was eventually kicked for disputing their claim that The Bible is pro-lgbt [01:38]
decimation what was the basis of their argument? [01:39]
kakobrekla that they are faggots? [01:39]
mircea_popescu lmao wait. bible pro-lgbt ? [01:40]
danielpbarron not breaking from reddit form, they didn't really have much of a basis [01:40]
mircea_popescu decimation anyway, as a male that usually uses the women's restroom, im pro tolerance. [01:41]
danielpbarron beyond, "stop being mean" [01:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wai wat [01:41]
mircea_popescu " When inflation dips too low, it transfers wealth from those who owe money — companies and mortgage payers — to those who hold bonds." [01:41]
mircea_popescu so wait. the thing that steals sometimes a lot and sometimes a little is the nerw normal. and so when it only steals a little it... TRANSFERS money from the thief to the victim ? [01:42]
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mircea_popescu lovely metaworld. [01:42]
asciilifeform 'chocolate rations have been increased from eighty grams to fifty.' [01:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i used the girl's locker room in highschool, and i hung out with the chicks in their yoga class too. [01:43]
mircea_popescu why would i want to see a bunch of schlongs ?! [01:43]
asciilifeform lol! [01:43]
decimation there's a fine argument there [01:43]
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mircea_popescu besides, i don't like urinals and women's usually cleaner. [01:44]
asciilifeform ^ [01:44]
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mircea_popescu plus, if you're going to fuck a girl, it's usually better to do her in women's. [01:44]
decimation most urinals are designed to maximize spashback [01:44]
mircea_popescu now, i wouldn't be in favour of this as a general thing, [01:44]
mircea_popescu but as a mark of privilege it works fine. [01:44]
asciilifeform as a general thing, as often is, the whole point would disappear. [01:45]
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decimation re: inflation < of course the thief is going explain the benefits of thieving [01:46]
decimation 'makes for a easier wallet to carry' [01:47]
mircea_popescu [01:53]
assbot Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? | RWCG ... ( ) [01:53]
mats an exercise in kekonomics [01:55]
decimation lol let the beatings commence [01:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, the guy has a point , and that point is : the expectations of us citizens, and their self valuations, are wildly divergent from reality. [01:56]
mircea_popescu they will have to be brought back on their knees somehow [01:56]
asciilifeform wait, they expect something ? [01:56]
mircea_popescu and no government yet has had the audacity to go to a group of self impressed idiots and tell them the sort of thing i say [01:56]
mircea_popescu "shut the fuck up, get on your knees and suck more cock" [01:56]
mircea_popescu consequently, inflation is necessary and unavoidable. [01:56]
mircea_popescu it's roughly the "put pitbull in doorframe and slam door on him" educational tactic. [01:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. for instance : they expect to not have to find someone to be the sex slave of. [01:57]
mircea_popescu further : they expect to warm their abode artificially. [01:57]
mircea_popescu further still : they expect to not have to do hard physical labour. [01:57]
mircea_popescu and on it goes. [01:57]
mircea_popescu none of these are warranted. not really. [01:58]
asciilifeform even expect not to ferment as biodiesel, if you believe. [01:58]
mircea_popescu that one i can see. [01:58]
* asciilifeform does expect, however [01:58]
mircea_popescu human biodiesel is actually uneconomical. [01:58]
mircea_popescu do the math, of what's the cost per calorie to fatten a woman [01:58]
asciilifeform very economical in the broad sense (sealed mine) [01:58]
mircea_popescu then see what you could get, per calorie, as biodiesel. [01:58]
asciilifeform but you, the farmer, did not fatten her [01:58]
asciilifeform she fattened 'free range.' [01:58]
mircea_popescu so then i stole her ? [01:58]
asciilifeform hunted. [01:58]
mircea_popescu mno. economics is a science of closed systems. [01:59]
asciilifeform what are mineral resources then. [01:59]
mircea_popescu this is why i am not in principle opposed to ecology. [01:59]
decimation I thought the point of the biodiesiel was to encourage the others [01:59]
mircea_popescu just to the idiotic parts thereof. [01:59]
asciilifeform pretty much the whole shebang runs on exquisitely non-renewable stuff [01:59]
mircea_popescu decimation then it's necessarily fractionary. [01:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a good objection. which is why i'm not fixated on ecology. [02:00]
asciilifeform nobody but chromosomally damaged midwestern usians imagines that closed cycle biodiesel is +ev. but it remains that something will have to be done with the... biomass. [02:01]
decimation fractionary << yes, ferment one, educate 1000 (at the fuel pump!) [02:01]
mircea_popescu decimation but then you'ver just shown why they'd rightfully not expect to be biodisel'd. 1 in 1000 shot. [02:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure, as an one off thing. [02:02]
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asciilifeform although there are interesting 'demo' cases. i once saw a set of photographs of a 'work of art' - a small coffee table, with a bioreactor. a lure of some electronic kind (acoustic?) led mice up a hollow leg and into the reactor. there, they would ferment, and charge a battery that would run the next iteration of the mouse-lift-zap-ferment cycle. [02:02]
asciilifeform it was, in fact, a basic toy chumpatron. the inspiration for my article re: same. [02:02]
mircea_popescu yes but simply making solar panels the same size or price would yield more. [02:03]
asciilifeform naturally [02:03]
mircea_popescu nature does these contortions, because nature's a whore. [02:03]
asciilifeform but does not beautify living room [02:03]
asciilifeform nor eliminate mice. [02:03]
mircea_popescu human artfulness however... [02:03]
mircea_popescu human artfulness is all male, and has horror of cunt. [02:03]
mircea_popescu because cunt fucking stains. especially corduroy. [02:04]
asciilifeform [02:04]
asciilifeform ^ it. [02:04]
assbot Mousetrap Coffee Table Uses Its Victims For Fuel ... ( ) [02:04]
decimation asciilifeform: "The power per unit area of bioethanol from corn is astonishingly low. Just for fun, let’s report the numbers first in archaic units. 1 acre produces 122 bushels of corn per year, which makes 122 × 2.6 US gallons of ethanol, which at 84 000 BTU per gallon means a power per unit area of just 0.02 W/m2E – and we haven’t taken into account any of the energy losses in [02:04]
assbot Ch D Page 284: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( ) [02:04]
decimation processing!" [02:04]
mats i bet the smell is awful [02:04]
asciilifeform decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article 'the corn thing' [02:04]
decimation the same guy who popularized ldpc codes wrote that book, which details the mathematical idiocy of 'renewables' [02:07]
asciilifeform it isn't much of a secret. [02:07]
decimation it accomplished nothing politically, but it's a good sourcebook for rough calculations of this sort [02:08]
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kakobrekla whoever was asking for wot db dumps [02:29]
assbot Index of /wot/ ... ( ) [02:29]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla can include a 3rd file with signed sha hashes ? [02:31]
kakobrekla no. [02:31]
kakobrekla dumps are done nightly [02:31]
kakobrekla having key automatically sign the thing is meh [02:32]
mircea_popescu hm. [02:32]
mircea_popescu it guards at least against mitm and other issues. [02:32]
mircea_popescu allows to verify it genuinely came from there. [02:32]
kakobrekla yeah so youll be able to point finger at innocent kako [02:33]
mircea_popescu well yes. [02:34]
kakobrekla but im innocent. [02:34]
asciilifeform signed sha hashes << unless the server lives under kakobrekla's pillow, next to his kalash, this is inviting trouble [02:34]
mircea_popescu but trouble of a particular sort [02:34]
mircea_popescu as opposed to every kind and sort. [02:34]
mircea_popescu it can be a special, delegated key for this purpose alone. [02:34]
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mircea_popescu re color revolutions : this bit of propaganda signed mark twain might be interesting [02:35]
mircea_popescu They tell it all: how I am wiping a nation of friendless creatures out of existence by every form of murder, for my private pocket's sake. But they never say, although they know it, that I have labored in the cause of religion at the same time and all the time, and have sent missionaries there (of a "convenient stripe," as they phrase it), to teach them the error of their ways and bring them to Him who is all mercy and [02:35]
mircea_popescu love, and who is the sleepless guardian and friend of all who suffer. They tell only what is against me, they will not tell what is in my favor. [02:35]
mircea_popescu They tell how England required of me a Commission of Inquiry into Congo atrocities, and how, to quiet that meddling country, with its disagreeable Congo Reform Association, made up of earls and bishops and John Morleys and university grandees and other dudes, more interested in other people's business than their own, I appointed it. Did it stop their mouths? No, they merely pointed out that it was a commission composed [02:35]
mircea_popescu wholly of my "Congo butchers," "the very men whose acts were to be inquired into." [02:35]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( ) [02:35]
mircea_popescu turns out the first gaddafi was actually the king of belgium [02:35]
mircea_popescu and it further turns out that the method has been in use for well over 150 years. [02:35]
asciilifeform invented by u.s. abolitionists, afaik. [02:36]
asciilifeform ~200. [02:36]
mircea_popescu i guess that's where it traces properly huh. [02:37]
mircea_popescu of course, before they sunk the south, they sunk the so called "tavern lobby" [02:37]
asciilifeform mr mold actually did some passable work on the subject. he ended by zipping the stratagem into a single sentence, 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it' [02:37]
mircea_popescu the prohibition was not merely idiocy. it was a particular sort of vindictive idiocy, where the pencildicks got upset that politics was set by men, around beer [02:38]
asciilifeform aha. [02:38]
mircea_popescu and so kept telling the women about how politics should "properly" be set by old men around pulpits. [02:38]
asciilifeform this, afaik, is immensely well documented. [02:38]
mircea_popescu in a singular fit of stupidity, women went for it. [02:38]
mircea_popescu perhaps aided by the very homosexual attitudes of teh men at the time. [02:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, the 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it' observation is valid. i propose the solution is for the beast to threaten indefinitely. [02:40]
asciilifeform works, sorta, for north kr. [02:41]
asciilifeform for now. [02:41]
mircea_popescu extract compensation under threat, make sure compensation > kicking. let the cycle wear itself out. [02:41]
mircea_popescu it's actually how bismarck beat england into a pulp, and created the first germany. [02:43]
mircea_popescu just requires a lot of patience. [02:43]
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mircea_popescu "they will resurrect and give new currency to such things as those, or to any other things that count against me, but they will not mention any act of mine that is in my favor. I have spent more money on art than any other monarch of my time, and they know it. Do they speak of it, do they tell about it? No, they do not. They prefer to work up what they call "ghastly statistics" into offensive kindergarten object lesson [02:49]
mircea_popescu s, whose purpose is to make sentimental people shudder, and prejudice them against me. They remark that "if the innocent blood shed in the Congo State by King Leopold were put in buckets and the buckets placed side by side, the line would stretch 2,000 miles; if the skeletons of his ten millions of starved and butchered dead could rise up and march in single file, it would take them seven months and four days to pass a [02:49]
mircea_popescu given point; if compacted together in a body, they would occupy more ground than St. Louis covers, World's Fair and all; if they should all clap their bony hands at once, the grisly crash would be heard a distance of --" Damnation, it makes me tired!" [02:49]
mircea_popescu infographs ? ted talks ? yep, about as un-novel as dirt. [02:49]
mats manually cranked .bait [02:54]
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mats purty colors [02:55]
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decimation it's a good thing the Congo is independent and thriving, now that it lacks the terrible yoke of Leopold [02:57]
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mircea_popescu definitely. [02:58]
mircea_popescu congo has never done better. [02:58]
mircea_popescu had the meddlesome leopold been still involved, how was england to push south africa to abandon rhodesia, with empty promises that once the man shots his own dog, the man won't be hanged himself. [02:58]
decimation,8599,1713275,00.html < from moldbug's article [03:03]
assbot Come Back, Colonialism, All Is Forgiven [03:03]
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assbot a battle ram for every asseteer who rides into battle! [03:05]
mats destroy it with fire [03:07]
mats it looks like a turd [03:07]
BingoBoingo Well, they all kind of look like that. [03:08]
BingoBoingo I mean their eyes even have turd shaped pupils [03:08]
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ben_vulpes * asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els << i hold that "their" when used for a single entity is a crucifying offense [03:17]
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mircea_popescu lul nice ram [03:20]
mats taking a page out of comrade Joseph's playbook [03:21]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's common usage. majesty plural. [03:21]
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mircea_popescu "Even amid the morbid decay, it comes as a shock to hear Le Blanc mourn colonialism. The venal, racist scramble by Europeans to possess Africa" [03:24]
mircea_popescu myeah, "the venal, racist scramble". right. [03:24]
mircea_popescu "They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free." << there's a lot to this. [03:25]
mircea_popescu once there's enough men in #b-a, we probably COULD take over a country. [03:25]
mircea_popescu not clear anyone'd want to, or why. [03:26]
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mircea_popescu ok this should be good. [03:31]
mircea_popescu "TAMPA, Fla. - Earlier today, U.S. Central Command's Twitter and YouTube sites were compromised for approximately 30 minutes. These sites reside on commercial, non-Defense Department servers and both sites have been temporarily taken offline while we look into the incident further." [03:32]
mircea_popescu one paragraph in, it becomes apparent that while the us central command has no idea of wtf is going on, nevertheless us central command is willing to lie. [03:32]
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Vexual mp, you were asking about what constitues 'the sticks' in oz. To my knowlegde it's anywhere with pathcy phone reception [03:44]
mircea_popescu ic [03:45]
Vexual whereas 'back of beyond' means you wont see another soul for a week, and 'dingo bumfuck' means theres people, but they give off a wolf creek kinda vibe [03:45]
Vexual they're really all measures off the feel of a city [03:46]
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Vexual ic the freckles have already been fucked off those two [03:54]
mircea_popescu they carry freckles inside. [03:57]
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mircea_popescu see on the site, MPEx Listing. see as well. [03:59]
assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [03:59]
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felipelalli bella illustration. [04:02]
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felipelalli mircea_popescu: thank you. Is that possible to buy these shares on OTC or only in MPEx? [04:04]
mircea_popescu to buy anything otc you need to find a party that'll sell. [04:05]
mircea_popescu you may look into a broker for mpex, like [04:05]
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felipelalli Thank you mircea_popescu. Any relation with ? [04:07]
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mircea_popescu nope. [04:08]
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Vexual hi [04:32]
Vexual blogs? ain't no body got time for that [04:33]
Vexual i'm saving up for an mpex acct [04:33]
punkman i had kangaroo the other day, better than I expected [04:33]
Vexual really? [04:33]
mircea_popescu "Unfortunately," I said, "at present the Hague Tribunal is not armed with the powers of an international assize court, nor is it qualified to place offenders, crowned or otherwise, in the dock. But don't you think that in the evolution of society the constitution of such a criminal court is a necessity?" [04:34]
mircea_popescu "It would be a great convenience at present," said Mr. Harris; "nor would you need one atom of evidence beyond the report of the Commission to justify the hanging of whoever is responsible for the existence and continuance of such abominations." [04:34]
Vexual it's hard to do right [04:34]
mircea_popescu early history of the nurnberg courts, too. [04:34]
punkman Vexual: couple small steaks, tasted kinda like beef [04:35]
mats heartbreak hotel [04:36]
assbot Help Us Recover From an Online Scam by Kay Lusk - GoFundMe ... ( ) [04:36]
punkman [04:36]
assbot What if Linus Torvalds is just angry because he's had to use Linux for 20 years [04:36]
mircea_popescu why should they recover ? "so we can give some other scammer money later on" ? [04:36]
Vexual thats interesting punkman [04:37]
Vexual i'd like to try souvlaki roo [04:37]
mircea_popescu "InfoSec Taylor Swift" ? seriosuly ? [04:37]
mircea_popescu is this more libertard "women in tech" ? [04:37]
punkman it's satire [04:38]
punkman but yeah dunno [04:38]
Vexual he might be a fan, they're everywhere [04:38]
mircea_popescu oh, "it's satire" i see. [04:38]
mircea_popescu "satire" is not here for these cancerous fags to hide behind. [04:39]
mats >> repost re: swift on security [04:39]
assbot Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur ... ( ) [04:39]
mats some of these aren't bad [04:40]
mats " you belong on the internet of things because you're a tool" [04:41]
Vexual lol [04:41]
Vexual but still no [04:42]
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mircea_popescu " These online scammers extensively preyed on my trusting nature. I was mailed a "secure, verified" check for $2750 that I deposited into my account and was promptly tricked into sending almost all of this money to "the toy shop owner" so that he could ship the toys. " [04:42]
mircea_popescu eh. [04:42]
Vexual cost me $5 [04:42]
mircea_popescu "Before all of this mess we were already financially struggling. To say that we were living paycheck-to-paycheck is an understatment. My boyfriend is currently underemployed and in school. I gave up 90% of the hours at my job in order to take this fake nanny job. I tried to explain all of this to the credit union but they were very callous with us saying that our priority needed to be on finding better paying jobs so [04:43]
mircea_popescu that we could pay off this debt. " [04:43]
mircea_popescu duh., [04:43]
mircea_popescu callous eh ? [04:43]
mats heh. [04:43]
mircea_popescu banks should get fucking pillories. [04:43]
Vexual why bitcoin is better than a bank cheque [04:43]
mircea_popescu that's what i'd like. for all retail establishments to get a pillory per 1mn yearly custom. then do some customer support in the form of, if you piss anyone off while on the premises, 10 minutes' flogging. [04:44]
mircea_popescu and if you forget to thank the nice whipperperson for your lesson, 10 more. [04:44]
mats my grandmother got a phone call from 'a police sergeant' saying i was in county prison and needed to be bailed out before being inevitably deflowered [04:44]
mircea_popescu ". I asked if there were any resources to help us and they declined to mention even one. This was despite my protests that we currently do not even have enough money for rent and food. [04:45]
mircea_popescu In an attempt to restore our faith in humanity" [04:45]
mircea_popescu "humanity" owes them. because 'humanity' is daddy and daddy always paid whatever bottles they broke. [04:45]
mats she sent $2k via WU without even calling me. [04:45]
mircea_popescu wow spanish prisoner trick ?! [04:45]
mircea_popescu that's like... 6 ? 12 ? centuries old. [04:45]
punkman older for sure [04:46]
punkman although the spanish prisoner scam bets on greed. bail prisoner out so you can get that nigerian gold. [04:48]
Vexual mats, did you call the cops yet? [04:48]
mircea_popescu well at the time people tended to know if their grandkids were at the house or not [04:49]
mats money's gone n its not coming back [04:49]
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Vexual wu usually has details [04:50]
punkman yeah but any bum can run a WU "office" [04:50]
Vexual gran would have a name etc [04:51]
Vexual meh 2 gran lesson [04:52]
Vexual feining a kidnap is kinda harsh tho [04:54]
mats "Sometimes... I look out the window and think... We're one cyberwar away from falling over. This can all be undone by a few lines of code. And maybe it will. Maybe then we will repent. For the arrogance that we could live so tall, with so little thought to what supports beneath." [04:55]
mats [04:58]
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assbot Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... ( ) [05:06]
mats interesting claims [05:08]
mats !up Vexual [05:08]
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mircea_popescu hahawut [05:08]
Vexual most of them are 17? [05:08]
mircea_popescu bill clinton can actually get it up ?! [05:09]
Vexual lol [05:09]
Vexual hillary can [05:09]
mircea_popescu "If it can be proven that Bill Clinton had sex with underage girls provided by Jeffrey Epstein, that could potentially destroy any chance that Hillary Clinton has of winning the presidency in 2016." [05:10]
mircea_popescu this logic... [05:10]
mats lol [05:10]
Vexual shes definately over 17 [05:10]
mircea_popescu "sex slave" and "paid 15k' [05:11]
mircea_popescu i dun think these people comprehend what slave means. [05:11]
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Vexual [05:16]
Vexual in other news, mcafee is on the lamb again up ben10s way [05:23]
Vexual maybe he can take him in and learn sme c [05:30]
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xanthyos !up mircea_popescu [12:40]
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mircea_popescu why ty [12:40]
rithm can someone explain this rozal dram to me in a tl:dr fashion it interests me [12:40]
xanthyos heh [12:40]
rithm trying to read buffer but the topic interests me [12:40]
BingoBoingo rithm: It's in this paste [12:41]
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mats i guess someone squatted cazalla's nick? [12:41]
rithm ;;ratingsystem getrating rozal [12:41]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/ . User Rozal, rated since Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013. Cumulative rating 45, from 44 total ratings. Received ratings: 41 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 43 positive, 0 negative. Details: [12:41]
BingoBoingo rithm: He got into a neg rating war with cazalla and fabricated theft allegations. [12:41]
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BingoBoingo mats: Not squatted. Rozal just straight up faked his log. [12:41]
mircea_popescu o.O [12:41]
mats lol. [12:42]
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xanthyos wow [12:42]
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kakobrekla !rate -2 assbot test [12:42]
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mircea_popescu but... why ?! [12:42]
kakobrekla !rate assbot -2 test [12:42]
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kakobrekla thar [12:42]
mats cazalla doesnt play well with others [12:42]
rithm fwiw i've had issues with starbucks gift cards with this user i suspected fraud [12:42]
rithm that's why i notice [12:42]
rithm it was cleared up [12:43]
mircea_popescu starbuks gift cards ?! [12:43]
rithm heavily discounted [12:43]
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rithm you know what they say about things being too good to be true right [12:43]
mats rithm likes his iced skinny mocha lattes [12:44]
mircea_popescu it kinda blew my mind. probably for no good reason, objectively. [12:44]
rithm no not i the female counterpart [12:44]
BingoBoingo !rate Rozal -10 Apparently fabricates allegations of theft admits fabrication [12:44]
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assbot Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings [12:44]
rithm love the starbucks [12:44]
mircea_popescu just... coffee is this triviality, of no financial consequence. however, inviting oine for coffee is either sexual or whatever. [12:44]
rithm so much facepalm [12:45]
mircea_popescu so giving someone a coffee gift card is like... "go fuck yourself" ? ie, let's have a cup of coffee but without me there ? [12:45]
rithm coffe to me is trivial [12:45]
rithm coffee to others is some type of retarded status symbol [12:45]
mircea_popescu and then you paid for that ?!?!?! [12:45]
mircea_popescu but obv none of this has much if at all to do with you or teh starbux [12:45]
xanthyos starbucks is popular enough to have become a perfect money laundering system with their gift codes [12:46]
rithm i live under a rock on the internet [12:46]
rithm plz be kind. [12:46]
BingoBoingo Basically coffee gift cards are a sort of tide USD [12:47]
mircea_popescu but a bucket of tide is like 60 bux neh ? [12:47]
rithm idk where i can buy tide 50% off [12:47]
xanthyos starbucks cards are irreversible paypal [12:48]
mod6 4.43L Tide = 17.09 USD [12:48]
mod6 lol, 17.09 with coupon, $17.99 retail price @ target [12:50]
mircea_popescu that's not bad. [12:51]
mircea_popescu ;;google how many cups of starbucks coffee in one gallon of tide [12:52]
gribble Folgers Mild Breakfast Blend Ground Coffee, 29.2 oz - ; The Savvy Lady -: ; Travel Supplies for Europe: Small Stuff Packing List. - Enjoy-Europe: [12:52]
mircea_popescu oic [12:52]
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thestringpuller << this been seen yet? [12:55]
thestringpuller know its a bit old lol [12:56]
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mircea_popescu what did the victim say to the rapist ? [12:56]
mircea_popescu Dum licet, in rebus jucundis vive beatus. Vive memor quam sis aevi brevis. [12:56]
mircea_popescu prolly Conington's got the best version. "Then take, good sir, your pleasure while you may. With life so short 'twere wrong to lose a day." [13:01]
davout much better than google translate [13:02]
thestringpuller << yea [13:02]
thestringpuller "While it may, in the case of the delights of live happy. Live mindful of how brief your time." [13:02]
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davout "all your delights are belong to the mindful brief time" [13:03]
mircea_popescu that's a little more ominous :) [13:03]
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mircea_popescu but works, yes. "have fun for what it's worth, mister. your time is short." [13:03]
thestringpuller "Cause I'ma cut your dick off in your sleep." [13:03]
mircea_popescu i wonder why all these derps ranting on and on about "empathy" never manage to produce one. imagine a victim like that. [13:04]
mircea_popescu empathy is the fundament of all literature, for the reason that it's the fundament of all humanity. but empty palaver doth not an empathy make. [13:04]
thestringpuller social justice warriors are not very empathetic to begin with. [13:04]
mircea_popescu quite not. [13:04]
thestringpuller i think they are self serving "goodness". [13:05]
mircea_popescu whole pile o' ought. exactly the opposite of empathy. [13:05]
thestringpuller the kind of "more righteous than thou" crowd, but dressed up as hippies. [13:05]
mircea_popescu chiefly, the substance of boring. [13:05]
mircea_popescu myeah, we see the same one beast. [13:05]
thestringpuller as you said on trilema, "It's going the way of the sitcom" [13:06]
thestringpuller or something like that [13:06]
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mircea_popescu but since we're doing horatius, [13:12]
mircea_popescu "Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida." [13:12]
mircea_popescu true men aren't swayed by redditarded frenzy, nor by soviet pretense to power. [13:12]
mircea_popescu fluffypony who made teh cartoon ? [13:13]
mircea_popescu !s stolfi [13:14]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: no clue [13:14]
mircea_popescu In late 2013 Jorge took an active interest in the economics of cryptocurrencies. He became extremely skeptical about its underlying soundness and chances of success, and has been advising the Brazilian public against investment in bitcoin. [13:15]
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thestringpuller jorge stolfi is a well hidden dude [13:15]
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thestringpuller or not [13:15]
thestringpuller XD [13:15]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: << lmao epic scoop. [13:16]
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kakobrekla >especially since storing user data as plaintext indicates that the group likely made further and still graver lapses in technological and operational security. [13:17]
kakobrekla nah [13:17]
kakobrekla thats intentional [13:17]
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mircea_popescu chetty: << wow. [13:18]
assbot Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( ) [13:18]
asciilifeform 'had problems.' [13:18]
mircea_popescu definitely. [13:19]
mircea_popescu "Everything indicates it was a suicide," Secretary of National Security Sergio Berni told local television. "We have to see if gunpowder is found on his hands." [13:20]
mircea_popescu so... "nothing indicates it was a suicide, but we'll lie about it." [13:20]
asciilifeform at least he didn't fellate a nailgun. or sew himself into a sack afterwards. [13:20]
mircea_popescu i mean... the circumstances are such that he'd have been killed, and dunno yet if powder residue. literlaly nothing indicates a suicide. [13:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform suicide with a .22 ? [13:21]
mircea_popescu gimme a break. [13:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol [13:21]
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mircea_popescu "He was alone in the apartment," prosecutor Viviana Fein told reporters. "There are no witnesses." << probably the best reason to keep a harem ever. [13:21]
asciilifeform 'harem also suicided' [13:21]
mircea_popescu orly. [13:21]
asciilifeform from grief. [13:21]
asciilifeform lol [13:21]
mircea_popescu good story brah. [13:22]
mircea_popescu the pregnant 16yo also ? [13:22]
mircea_popescu "sure. prepostpartum." [13:22]
mircea_popescu "and pms" [13:22]
asciilifeform 'if ya don't believe this lie is true, ask the blind man, he saw it too' [13:22]
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mircea_popescu Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional". [13:23]
mircea_popescu lol [13:23]
mircea_popescu unconstitutional accusiations. capitanich sounds more like ximenez each day. [13:23]
mircea_popescu the jackie childs school of rhetorics [13:23]
mircea_popescu and all this over oil, which is now cheap. [13:24]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: << lmao epic scoop. << It's the one I've been waiting for. Anticipated the thing only meriting an epitaph. [13:28]
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mircea_popescu Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings << wut the fuck going on there ?! [13:31]
mircea_popescu Rozal: despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted << is this klye ? [13:31]
davout kakobrekla: so are assbot and -otc's wots completely forked or is there some sort of sync? [13:32]
mircea_popescu teward: in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits << job board's this way [13:32]
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kakobrekla no sync atm [13:32]
mircea_popescu davout tryin' to work out a sync paradigm with nanotube [13:32]
davout okidoki [13:32]
davout mircea_popescu: also i read a bit more about merged mining yesteday and today, especially how merge-mining namecoin came to be [13:33]
mircea_popescu in any case imported ratings in either wot would be marked as such [13:33]
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davout which makes sense [13:33]
davout so re the merge-mining it looks like namecoin had to be hard-forked to support it [13:33]
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davout so i don't really see how it'd be possible to merge mine two bitcoin forks [13:34]
mircea_popescu what'd be the difficulty ? [13:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Best I can tell it's a nobody. But they had a bunch of perfect ratings from tiny trades. [13:35]
bertani davout: I don't get your point, why shouldn't it? [13:35]
davout mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. " [13:36]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. " << Basically this is my understanding. Both Bitcoin's would insist on being the "Parent" unl [13:37]
BingoBoingo ess gavincoin is also hardforking to allow AuxPOW [13:37]
davout bertani: because if you need one of the chains to be somehow aware of the merge mining you'd need a second hardfork after the first block size related hardfork [13:37]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo at the point prior to forking, the only difference between the two is version. [13:37]
davout well, maybe if we sell it to reddit as an opportunity to increase adoption ... [13:37]
mircea_popescu putting out blocks with both versions isn't actually putting out different blocks is it ? [13:37]
BingoBoingo Well, it is once the chains require different blocks because they've forked... [13:38]
davout the version is part of the header, so the solution for one header doesn't work for the other [13:38]
mircea_popescu i guess this "merge mining' business needs moar looking into. [13:38]
kakobrekla bitcoin merged mined with bitcoin is bad idea. [13:39]
davout i don't think the way you propose to use merge mining actually works [13:39]
davout or i mean, is actually feasible [13:39]
mircea_popescu hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is. [13:40]
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mircea_popescu i had thought different chains had to be forked to mm because of their different origin. but that's not what happens in merged mining at all. [13:41]
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mircea_popescu what happens is that a hash of a block of the lower chain is inserted in bitcoin blocks, and then the lower chain accepts this as "just as good" proof. [13:41]
mircea_popescu better ways to ruin scamcoins than merge-mine them doth not exist huh. [13:41]
BingoBoingo Basically Bitch chain depends on the Master chain. [13:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, that spec'll hafta be revised, but needs more thinking. [13:42]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yup. my cluelessness about alts is showing huh. [13:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, that's what the channel's for. [13:42]
davout !b 2 [13:43]
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kakobrekla hey thats insulting [13:44]
mircea_popescu check out dooglus (who isn't a gavin-approved economist, in spite of being exactly as certified&educated in the topic as the random idiots a la Oleg Andreev et all) explaining economics : [13:46]
mircea_popescu At any given time there is a certain amount of demand for a Bitcoin like currency to make transactions. That need doesn’t increase with more competition. That means that the transactional demand for Bitcoin is really the same as the transactional demand for all substantially similar forms of payment. As more currencies are competing to fill the same demand they actually reduce the demand for the other currencies as t [13:46]
mircea_popescu hey become more widely used. [13:46]
mircea_popescu This means that ultimately, to the extent that currencies are interchangeable to end users, merged mining does not increase the overall security of the networks. The demand for currencies drives the price (and thus the value of the reward). Increased demand for any given currency results in decreased demand for others, lowering the incentive to mine for the other currencies. The total incentive is a function of total d [13:46]
mircea_popescu emand for all Bitcoin like currencies. [13:46]
mircea_popescu Except now competing currencies can market themselves as “as secure as Bitcoin but with lower transaction fees.” In other words there is a race to the bottom among competing currencies to offer the lowest transaction fees, because lowering the transaction fee doesn’t hurt the security of the network in comparison to the other merged mining networks. Users, following their own self interest, will adopt the currenc [13:46]
mircea_popescu y with the lowest transaction fees as long as it has the same security of the competitors. [13:46]
mircea_popescu This will increase the price of the currency with the lowest transaction fee (because demand for the currency is higher), and decrease the price of the currencies with higher transactions fees (because demand for those currencies is dropping as it is being filled by demand for the competing currency). Because the currencies with the higher transaction fees were the ones generating the incentive to mine, overall incenti [13:46]
mircea_popescu ve to mine will diminish. As long as a currency’s mining is merged with the freeloading currency, it will be powerless to increase incentives by imposing mandatory transaction fees. [13:46]
mircea_popescu The result will be a decrease in mining incentive, a decrease in mining, and ultimately all networks that allow merged mining will become insecure. [13:46]
davout so, if i understand correctly, the way this thing works is that it attracts moar miners through the bonus mechanism, which in turn contributes to killing-off gavincoin amirite [13:46]
mircea_popescu edited Apr 6 '12 at 4:35 Chris Moore [13:46]
mircea_popescu davout was the original design. [13:47]
mats a .22 can be quite deadly [13:47]
mats just ... don't shoot the guy in the forehead. put it in an eye. [13:47]
mats the round'll tumble once it gets in there. [13:47]
mircea_popescu mats and water can be quite healthy. doesn't make it the cure for life threatening conditions does it ? [13:47]
mircea_popescu i mean, if you're going to do it, why risk you just lose an eye ? survivors even after a 12 gauge shot exist. [13:48]
kakobrekla well speaking of risk, why not a hand grenade in mouth. [13:50]
mircea_popescu because most people can't get frags. [13:50]
mircea_popescu also plenty of people are vain and want open casket funerals [13:50]
mircea_popescu (frag will leave visible kidneys)( [13:51]
* kakobrekla had a frag at home as a kid [13:51]
mircea_popescu well... somaliland [13:51]
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kakobrekla euroafrica [13:52]
mircea_popescu davout it IS perhaps possible to create some sort of equivalency tables so that "Hi this is Bitcoinblock 1 with nonce 1456546456456456" and "Hi this is Gavincoin with nonce 3489759348759834" hash-collide. [13:53]
mircea_popescu then mine both blocks as the same hash. [13:53]
mats folklore claims that the round is uniquely deadly because it loses penetrating power after passing through bone the first time, and then just bounces around blending the brain matter until it exits the skull [13:54]
TomServo Rozal | I won't return anyones negatives << Turns out, not so much. On gribble's side of the wot anyway. [13:54]
TomServo ^and this kind of sucks. [13:54]
mats whereas with a higher calibre it might just go straight through. [13:54]
mircea_popescu mats i heard that theory more about the .38 as a better suicide weapon than the .45 [13:54]
mircea_popescu i never heard anyone seriously propose bb guns for the job [13:55]
mircea_popescu if you really want that effect, fill a hunting weapon with quailshot and have at it. [13:55]
davout mircea_popescu: what would be in that table? [13:55]
mircea_popescu davout i dunno, i'm no rainbow expert [13:56]
mircea_popescu "it is easy if you know what you're doing". [13:56]
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STRML Thanks [13:57]
mircea_popescu sure. who're you ? [13:58]
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mircea_popescu 2**32 [14:00]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 2**32 [14:00]
gribble 4294967296 [14:00]
mircea_popescu so each ~4.3 Gh the nonce overflows. hm. [14:01]
mircea_popescu really the nonce should have been 64bit. [14:01]
mircea_popescu i guess satoshi not only ran a windows machine with c, but it was a 32bit thing [14:01]
davout mircea_popescu: for the first >1mb block you will necessarily have a different merkle root, so you can't possibly have the same block hash at any point afterwards [14:02]
mircea_popescu davout yeh i am surrendered, merging doesn't work like i thought it would. [14:02]
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mircea_popescu davout there you go, degraded to rfc. [14:04]
assbot [RFC] The Gavin Assassinsen Memorial Mining Pool Implementation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [14:04]
davout if you remove 1. then mining gavincoin blocks can be removed from the rfc as well [14:06]
mircea_popescu the principal utility of this thing is to guarantee the general public the ability to split its coins on the two chains [14:07]
davout so if i understand correctly, the main characteristic you want for this pool, is that it prioritizes double-spends of already-confirmed gavincoins when picking which txes to put in its blocks [14:08]
davout s/gavincoins/gavincoin txes/ [14:09]
mircea_popescu something like that [14:09]
mircea_popescu actually you're right huh, it doesn't need to be trustless and that "send to pool" step is gunk. [14:09]
mircea_popescu it *could* just look for dblspent txs that made it on gavinchain and prioritize them [14:10]
davout yep [14:10]
mircea_popescu course, this is not actually needed either. miners already do that, in that they look for high tx fee txn [14:10]
mircea_popescu maybe this entire pool thing actually just needs to be a website to generate raw tx for people to put in bitcoind [14:10]
mircea_popescu like a graphics aid. [14:11]
davout also, i think that if what you want to achieve is a bitcoin separator, the easiest way is simply to acquire a satoshi from eligius and use it on the input side of a transaction [14:11]
mircea_popescu im not happy with waiting the 200 blocks for the scamcoins to mature. [14:12]
mircea_popescu that sort of latency means you'll be a late comer to the "sell it into the dirt" party. [14:12]
davout since eligius pays directly from the coinbase you're guaranteed to receive a payout that's spendable on one chain but not on the other [14:12]
mircea_popescu but also guaranteed to receive it too late. [14:12]
thestringpuller [14:12]
BingoBoingo ;;rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment [14:13]
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davout yeah, if you can't wait 120 blocks to separate coins you'll have to convince a pool to mine a crosschain double spend [14:13]
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BingoBoingo !rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment [14:13]
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assbot Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings [14:13]
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davout poor guy will end up with a -200 global rating [14:14]
BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.Rozal.-10:e8cff8dc4301540ac33879fdae27da2f82b391e7da5b599ef4df0db73c2eab22 [14:14]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for Rozal from -10 to -10 with note: Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment [14:14]
davout if he's lucky it'll overflow back to some positive rating :D [14:14]
BingoBoingo depends on how big total rating maxint is [14:15]
kakobrekla it goes up to 11 [14:17]
BingoBoingo If he wants to debate this he can do it in a public channel. Given he has fabricated allegations before I want to make it unambiguously clear that I will not engage him privately. [14:17]
BingoBoingo Too high risk. [14:17]
davout BingoBoingo: what's the risk? some derp negrating you? [14:17]
BingoBoingo davout: Some Derp fabricating a scam and negrating me. [14:18]
BingoBoingo He's already negrated me. Nothing to lose there. [14:18]
BingoBoingo This time he was caught in his lie because he was sloppy. The next time he does it he probably won't be so sloppy. [14:20]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: better or worse than flappy plane? [14:25]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: He never PM'd me. worse than flappy plane though [14:26]
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* BingoBoingo thinks this could have been a perfect use of deedbot [14:26]
BingoBoingo For the much stronger timestamping [14:27]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, you are setting a v.nice standard for this sort of situation [14:27]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: I've always had this standard ready. There was jsut never a situation for it. [14:27]
davout BingoBoingo: you can already timestamp some stuff and get deedbot to accept it later as previously timestamped, that is, if the bundle structure is already defined [14:28]
thestringpuller davout: could you elaborate further? [14:28]
BingoBoingo davout: But why should we remain barbarians defining time as UTC when we can define it in terms of Block height? [14:28]
ben_vulpes good morning, jihadis [14:29]
mircea_popescu may allah's 40 cunts be upon you, ben [14:29]
ben_vulpes without reading any scrollback i agree with BB [14:29]
mircea_popescu davout how'd thatwork ? [14:29]
ben_vulpes only 40?! [14:29]
ben_vulpes scam [14:29]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Oh, but such good drama this morning [14:29]
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davout you can just sha256 your content, make an address out of that, send a bitcent there, and since that's how deedbot is supposed to work, you get your stuff deedbot-timestamped before deedbot even exists [14:29]
BingoBoingo But part of the deedbot appeal is also hosting the deeds as a stronger pastebin/dpaste alternative. [14:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049167 = 4.72 BTC [+] [14:30]
mircea_popescu davout sure. so ? [14:31]
davout BingoBoingo: sure, but if your timestamping respects deedbot's spec just get it included along [14:31]
mircea_popescu it won't show up on its website, but supposedly you dun care [14:31]
mircea_popescu well no [14:31]
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davout what matters is the way it works, not the specific implementation that actually works the way it is specified, just my 2 bitcents anyway [14:32]
mircea_popescu people should be able to sign independently of the notary, and should be able to mock its formality, sure. [14:33]
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davout the notary doesn't sign does it? [14:34]
mircea_popescu nop [14:34]
davout the way i saw it was that it'd just be a manually-made lord-signed deed, rather than one compiled by an IRC bot [14:35]
mircea_popescu right [14:35]
mircea_popescu unwitnessed, as it were. [14:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37205 @ 0.00047812 = 17.7885 BTC [-] {2} [14:35]
Apocalyptic davout sounds right, deedbot can verify a payment was made to that address and hence include it retrospectively [14:35]
mircea_popescu no. [14:36]
davout well, blockchain is the witness here, or am i missing sthg? [14:36]
mircea_popescu yes, you are. [14:36]
mircea_popescu if you come hither with a signed statement saying "the coin will fall tails" i won't particularly care [14:36]
mircea_popescu because for all i know you signed a "coin will fall heads" statement too and aren't sharing that one. [14:36]
Apocalyptic aha, I get it [14:37]
mircea_popescu the notary keeps a list of all the items it was sent a certain way. [14:37]
mircea_popescu you're free to sign whatever matter a similar way, but it won't be thus notarized. it will just be your own mock-up of the process. [14:37]
mircea_popescu which is fine, but as far as i see toothless. [14:37]
davout well, in that case it doesn't really make sense to me that the notary doesn't GPG-sign [14:37]
Apocalyptic the content has to be made public and witnessed by others at the time it's timestamped [14:37]
mircea_popescu it does make sense. because the trust does not derive from a robotic application of a gpg seal. [14:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, i got a meeting, we'll have to continue this debte in a few hours. [14:38]
davout more from the fact that folks you trust are looking at deeds being timestamped [14:38]
davout amirite [14:39]
davout also there was another thing regarding deedbot, if all deeds are simply concatenated before being hashed into a bitcoin private key, that means anyone watching the process taking place can deduce the bitcoin private key that's going to be generated, and claim the coins that'll be sent there [14:40]
ben_vulpes that's a feature, davout [14:40]
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davout ben_vulpes: you might just as well spend that back to deedbot's wallet by broadcasting a second transaction at the same time [14:41]
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ben_vulpes davout: talk to the specwriter, but i believe the thing acts as a btc spigot so as to incentivize auditing of its behavior. [14:53]
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mats whos getting out of bed for 0.0001btc? [14:57]
davout mats: lol, a bot [14:59]
davout not that i see this as a design flaw or somesuch, jsut [15:00]
davout just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec [15:01]
ben_vulpes 0.001 btc is a pizza today, and a nuke sub in five decades [15:01]
ben_vulpes (or two centuries. pick your timeframe). [15:02]
davout if there's actually one deed bundle per hour that'll amount to [15:02]
davout ;;calc 0.0001*24*365 [15:02]
gribble 0.876 [15:02]
davout hah [15:02]
undata davout: that occurred to me as well [15:02]
ben_vulpes not bad for running a bot [15:02]
mats ;;calc .001*[ticker --last] [15:02]
gribble 0.21289 [15:02]
undata I was also wondering whether one might want to salt the generated private key somehow so it's harder to guess [15:03]
mats hardly a pizza [15:03]
davout mats: you need an extra 0 [15:03]
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davout undata: yep, my thought too [15:03]
davout but if it's really like 1btc/year worst case you might as well consider it as burned [15:03]
Apocalyptic undata, ? the purpose is that everyone can hash the bundle and verify the address indeed matches [15:04]
undata Apocalyptic: yeah, that ruins that without later revealing the salt [15:04]
davout Apocalyptic: the idea is to reveal the salt, but only after the bitcoin has been claimed back from the bundle-related addy, not keep it secret forever [15:04]
ben_vulpes mats: "pizza", "chump change" you pedantic nerd [15:04]
undata the two transations thing seems fine [15:04]
Apocalyptic davout, claimed back by whom ? [15:05]
davout mats: 1000 btc used to also be hardly a pizza [15:05]
davout Apocalyptic: by deedbot [15:05]
undata davout: you could just wait to upload after the second transaction confirms [15:05]
Apocalyptic afaik ben_vulpes is correct, it's a feature that icentivies 3rd parties to verify [15:05]
Apocalyptic so you would not want deedbot to take it back [15:05]
davout ^ that sounds like something good [15:05]
ben_vulpes mats: do you not get the pizza reference? [15:05]
undata Apocalyptic: ah [15:06]
davout if someone pops in here one day and says "o i can't pick up deedbot's crumbs anymore" you have a problem somewhere [15:06]
mats i got it [15:06]
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ben_vulpes [] << since when did "whore" get replaced with "sex slave"? [15:09]
assbot Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 | Markets ... ( ) [15:09]
mats women don't have agency, man [15:10]
mats don't you know anything [15:10]
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ben_vulpes [] << scawwy [15:13]
assbot Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( ) [15:13]
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ben_vulpes [] hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is. << welcome to my club of ignorance [15:21]
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mircea_popescu !up Zarathul [15:46]
-assbot- You voiced Zarathul for 30 minutes. [15:46]
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mircea_popescu just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec << so people can have fun. [15:46]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you don't understand, she was almost under 18 at the time and she didn't agree to switch positions! [15:48]
mircea_popescu RAPE CULTURE [15:48]
mircea_popescu sez "this article is fucking stupid and i hope it was written as a joke to piss off nerds" [15:49]
* ben_vulpes can't cope with the constantly moving targets [15:49]
mircea_popescu apparently fuckyou is now a biznis [15:49]
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thestringpuller "the right for people to freely trade with each other without anybody interfering with the transaction" [16:02]
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ben_vulpes magit file notify doesn't work on os x. [16:08]
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ben_vulpes when i'm rich and can read and fuck and code on whatever pleases me all day i'm going to write MY OWN OS [16:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00047296 = 14.2124 BTC [-] [16:09]
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BingoBoingo [16:21]
assbot Principal wants to stockpile canned foods — as weapons against intruders | New York Post ... ( ) [16:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75750 @ 0.00047292 = 35.8237 BTC [-] {2} [16:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00047284 = 11.7264 BTC [-] [16:34]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so like stan ? [16:38]
BingoBoingo [16:41]
assbot Spammer Escalates to Murder | ... ( ) [16:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94700 @ 0.00049188 = 46.581 BTC [+] {3} [16:47]
ben_vulpes yeah, mebbe he gets to it first. he'd certainly do a better job. [16:47]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes would prolly rather prototype some chips at 1 meter process size. [16:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49516 @ 0.0004939 = 24.456 BTC [+] {2} [16:53]
BingoBoingo Fabricating diodes in the shop. [16:53]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: lol you know me so well [16:58]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes creator of artisan chips at scale. [17:00]
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BingoBoingo !up cazalla [17:00]
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cazalla if it wasn't already clear, i didn't steal/recieve/transact with that Rozal guy [17:01]
BingoBoingo It's clear. He admitted to fabricating the allegation. [17:02]
davout ;;getrating Rozas [17:02]
gribble Use the gettrust command instead. See [17:02]
davout fuck you gribble, when i say getrating, i mean getrating [17:02]
BingoBoingo ;;getrating Rozal [17:03]
gribble Use the gettrust command instead. See [17:03]
davout ;;getrating Rozas --no-seriously [17:03]
gribble Use the gettrust command instead. See [17:03]
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davout ;;ident Rozas [17:03]
gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. [17:03]
davout ;;gpg info Rozas [17:03]
gribble No such user registered. [17:03]
TomServo Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out? [17:04]
davout urgh fuck me [17:04]
BingoBoingo ;;gpg info Rozal [17:04]
gribble User 'Rozal', with keyid 1C6C480917AD74D9, fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz, registered on Thu Jan 17 08:51:26 2013, last authed on Mon Jan 19 09:36:57 2015. . Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/ . [17:04]
BingoBoingo ;;rated Rozal [17:04]
gribble You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations Confessed Full Indictment [17:04]
davout BingoBoingo: t [17:04]
davout ty [17:04]
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BingoBoingo That last letter is the hardest [17:04]
davout kek [17:05]
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mircea_popescu Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out? << why would it be ? [17:31]
BingoBoingo I've just assumed until it sorts out that rating twice is generally the best practice for most ratings [17:33]
TomServo mircea_popescu: Things seemed to be getting messy with the drama earlier. Having to rate in two places. [17:33]
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mircea_popescu well obv that's optional. as the wot decentralizes, one can be part of as many / all of them. [17:34]
mircea_popescu that they talk to each other is a convenience, and i guess best practice, but not really a necessity. [17:34]
mircea_popescu actually i guess it depends on teh wisdom / celerity of teh admins currently involved if the future will hold it as best practice or just you know, that thing that might have been useful but never took off. [17:35]
BingoBoingo Sure. I for example entered the Rozal rating on both WoTs because the information is immidiately useful to both #bitcoin-assets as lulz material and #bitcoin-otc as a leper's bell around the person's neck. [17:37]
mircea_popescu makes sense [17:38]
kakobrekla basically ba wot is lulz is what you are saying [17:38]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: In this case. DOn't see the dude around here, so I only know him noa for the laffs [17:39]
danielpbarron not just lulz, Rozal can still voice himself in here [17:39]
kakobrekla correction, useless lulz! [17:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ima send you alum cakes! [17:41]
BingoBoingo Well, if he does Rozal can try to argue why his slander is good like kakobrekla's slander even though kakobrekla's slander is right and Rozal's slander is lies. [17:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15566 @ 0.00047284 = 7.3602 BTC [-] [17:42]
assbot You rated user kakobrekla on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: runs several solid btc enterprises (bit4x,bitbet,panacea,...);we met IRL. [17:44]
jurov !rate kakobrekla NaN at loss of words [17:44]
assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. [17:44]
jurov !rate kakobrekla -0.0 at loss of words [17:44]
assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. [17:44]
jurov !rate kakobrekla 4.00001 at loss of words [17:44]
assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. [17:45]
jurov okay [17:45]
mircea_popescu we been through this yest [17:45]
jurov i'm still in yest with the log [17:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00047039 = 31.0457 BTC [-] {2} [17:50]
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jurov and why assbot isn't replying with these incredibly useful fortune quips? [17:56]
jurov "Invalid verfication(sic) string" is so ... 70s [17:56]
mircea_popescu ^ [17:56]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla add more slovenian to assbot! [17:57]
kakobrekla because its harder to debug [17:58]
mircea_popescu i thought slovenian ate bug. [17:59]
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kakobrekla not if worm is found. [17:59]
mircea_popescu !b 7 [17:59]
assbot Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [17:59]
BingoBoingo What about doormouse? [18:00]
kakobrekla those are out of session. [18:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00046935 = 29.9211 BTC [-] {2} [18:02]
BingoBoingo Ah, I need to engineer sessionless doormouse sometime. [18:04]
mircea_popescu sessionless is either door or mouse [18:05]
mircea_popescu can't match them unless session [18:05]
kakobrekla and they are great to make ushanka from [18:05]
mircea_popescu i thought ushanka is made out of policewoman snatch. [18:06]
kakobrekla not here [18:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00047081 = 8.2156 BTC [+] [18:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23779 @ 0.00047081 = 11.1954 BTC [+] [18:13]
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jurov here it's done from roof hares [18:15]
mircea_popescu !up nubbins` [18:15]
-assbot- You voiced nubbins` for 30 minutes. [18:15]
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mircea_popescu dja know how to voice nubs ? [18:16]
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nubbins` hi [18:20]
nubbins` nothin to say ;D [18:20]
nubbins` [18:20]
assbot ... ( ) [18:20]
nubbins` ^ from a "master wood carver" on the forums who "hand carves" his designs [18:21]
nubbins` note how the surface design is impossibly beautiful, indicating an inhumanly skilled craftsman, yet the shape of the BTC logo looks as if it was molded in play-doh by a 12yo [18:21]
nubbins` here's another hilariously mismatched one: [18:22]
assbot ... ( ) [18:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.0004722 = 8.4996 BTC [+] {2} [18:32]
jurov handcarved by laser [18:36]
fluffypony aren't we 3D printing wood yet? [18:36]
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kakobrekla so thats how you destroy good piece of wood [18:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59973 @ 0.00046857 = 28.1015 BTC [-] {2} [18:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00048584 = 6.9961 BTC [+] [18:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62076 @ 0.00048992 = 30.4123 BTC [+] {2} [18:49]
jurov well, as i read the asswot discussion, let it be noted btc-dev mailing list will eventually need timely updates of wot database, too [18:51]
jurov also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally [18:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00050254 = 26.0316 BTC [+] [19:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00048602 = 24.8356 BTC [-] {2} [19:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00050324 = 17.9153 BTC [+] {3} [19:29]
thestringpuller ;;seen [19:29]
gribble (seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. may contain * as a wildcard. [19:30]
thestringpuller ;;seen nubbins` [19:30]
gribble nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 7 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: here's another hilariously mismatched one: [19:30]
thestringpuller nubbins`: I have moar werk for pink eye prints [19:30]
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kakobrekla !shasum wot [19:46]
assbot sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 1e3819c7288865d34fc73ed636fe4880ee2275ed0d85772dc2c67839a2ed47cc [19:46]
assbot sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 63fcbe8ada533bae462972e08b0a8388a924036517f3e1912415d82eba65e814 [19:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00050336 = 19.8576 BTC [+] [19:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049866 = 13.4638 BTC [-] [20:02]
ben_vulpes oh hey that's neat kakobrekla [20:03]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:03]
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davout !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro [20:07]
assbot Searching for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments. [20:07]
assbot Key 01713428 / "Paymium Support " successfully imported. [20:07]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [20:07]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:07]
davout oh noes, it took the wrong primary id [20:08]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:08]
davout !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro [20:11]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [20:11]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:11]
kakobrekla wait whut [20:11]
davout kakobrekla: can you force a reimport of my key? [20:11]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:11]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:11]
kakobrekla lol [20:11]
kakobrekla wtf is with assbot [20:12]
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assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:12]
kakobrekla shut up [20:12]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:12]
davout assbot is getting crehzy [20:12]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:12]
danielpbarron !down assbot [20:12]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:12]
davout s/assbot/dosbot/ [20:12]
davout maybe we should bring assbot to the bot doctor [20:15]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [20:15]
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kakobrekla davout reimport of same key ? [20:16]
davout kakobrekla: yeah, i fucked my key up, put paymium support as primary id, fixed it and re-pushed it to key server, it's just aesthetics [20:17]
kakobrekla well i can delete it from keyring and it will be imported again next time you run command [20:18]
kakobrekla or !change key to x and from x to back to what you have now [20:18]
davout kakobrekla: if you can delete that's cool [20:19]
davout as long as the ratings stay [20:19]
kakobrekla yea [20:19]
davout so you have some logic to handle colliding key ids? [20:19]
davout wait no [20:19]
kakobrekla key id is presumed to be not uncollidable [20:20]
davout you already have the fingerprints from gribble amirite [20:20]
kakobrekla i mean fp [20:20]
kakobrekla i use only fp [20:20]
davout that you got from gribble [20:20]
kakobrekla yea [20:20]
kakobrekla [20:20]
assbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( ) [20:21]
kakobrekla assbot> Searching for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments. [20:21]
davout yea mp's link about an actual demo of key id collision attack with puppetlab's key looked pretty scary [20:21]
davout !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro [20:21]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [20:21]
kakobrekla hold on a sec [20:22]
kakobrekla i didnt remove it yet [20:22]
davout assbot: you feeling better? [20:22]
assbot a bit [20:22]
davout assbot: good [20:22]
assbot its hard work, i hardly get any sleep [20:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00050353 = 21.8532 BTC [+] {2} [20:25]
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kakobrekla davout key cleared [20:28]
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davout kakobrekla: danke schön [20:30]
davout !rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro [20:31]
assbot Searching for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments. [20:31]
assbot Key 01713428 / "David FRANCOIS (E-mail) " successfully imported. [20:31]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [20:31]
davout !v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.1/0:27df5d8b4242724bfb6271ceb46ada8c7a7c443abc96a009ed9aed2b7d5f14ad [20:31]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 1/0 with note: cool wot bro [20:31]
davout so 1/0 is a valid integer nao? [20:31]
PeterL it lets you use 1/0 as a number now? [20:32]
kakobrekla shut the fuck up. [20:32]
davout !b 3 [20:32]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [20:32]
kakobrekla !gettrust davout kakobrekla [20:32]
assbot Trust relationship from user davout to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 22 via 9 connections. | | [20:32]
kakobrekla [rating] => 1 [20:32]
davout 1/0 is an alias for $MOON [20:32]
davout !rate kakobrekla 3 cool wot bro [20:32]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [20:32]
davout !v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.3:550c72dc47e3a32e0d797a9953ebb1f8bbc90308e8a7f02d95f406f6d0cc7f9e [20:33]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 1 to 3 with note: cool wot bro [20:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00050391 = 4.8375 BTC [+] [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00050417 = 15.5536 BTC [+] {2} [20:48]
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kakobrekla !rate assbot 1/0 [20:50]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [20:50]
kakobrekla aha it gets taken out earlier [20:50]
kakobrekla meh too lazy. [20:50]
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kakobrekla otp will show correctly now. [20:57]
kakobrekla otp header [20:57]
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pete_dushenski << mah new toy. [21:57]
assbot The ultimate status symbol. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [21:57]
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jurov sooo... if i need to have fresh data for btc-dev, i'm supposed to query [22:12]
jurov but how i'm getting them out ouf short keyid... pull it from keyserver, i guess [22:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12000001 = 1.2 BTC [-] [22:14]
jurov good riddance [22:14]
kakobrekla you should search by fp on keyserver [22:15]
jurov just to be sure, may i consider api stable? [22:15]
assbot ... ( ) [22:15]
kakobrekla idk [22:16]
jurov why idk? [22:22]
kakobrekla well its stable as in online but if you need something changed for example i would do it if its reasonable [22:23]
jurov no such need so far. what format is it? [22:26]
kakobrekla which ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell MetatronOne da [22:29]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:29]
jurov the trust output [22:31]
jurov [meta] => Array < this stuff [22:32]
kakobrekla in and [22:32]
assbot ... ( ) [22:32]
assbot ... ( ) [22:32]
kakobrekla use json [22:32]
kakobrekla to parse [22:32]
kakobrekla second link [22:32]
jurov ahh yes [22:33]
mircea_popescu also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally << this should be fixed, and rly shouldn't be to hard to. [22:34]
mircea_popescu oh hey that's neat kakobrekla << werd. [22:35]
jurov !ident jurov [22:35]
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jurov ^ would be good to have [22:35]
kakobrekla there is no session [22:35]
mircea_popescu its hard work, i hardly get any sleep << sleep is for pussy! [22:36]
jurov we are assuming that whoever has voice is properly identified? [22:36]
jurov quite a shaky assumption [22:37]
kakobrekla idk who is assuming that [22:37]
mircea_popescu ahh its so great to be back in the irc seat. [22:37]
jurov so no assumptions and ask the counterparty directly for proper signature. i see [22:38]
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kakobrekla if its signature worthy you ask for signature [22:38]
mircea_popescu jurov it's counterintuitive, but the session thing is not actually increasing security. [22:40]
jurov i agree, but since it's sop since -otc, needs to be said explicitly [22:41]
mircea_popescu yeh. it was and wil be repeated i m sure. [22:41]
mircea_popescu o hey, pete got a mertz ? [22:44]
pete_dushenski yup! [22:45]
pete_dushenski 5.6L V8 [22:46]
mircea_popescu not bad. [22:46]
pete_dushenski same as that owned by gorbachev and hussein [22:46]
pete_dushenski good company, that [22:46]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i can't comment on whether gorby owns one, but the photo is clearly on a wash, d.c street [22:46]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i don't think he keeps it here. [22:46]
mircea_popescu lol [22:46]
asciilifeform md plates, too [22:47]
asciilifeform (state of maryland) [22:47]
pete_dushenski ha [22:47]
asciilifeform probably rental. [22:47]
pete_dushenski well the story is that he drove one on his first visit to the us [22:47]
pete_dushenski fell in love with it [22:47]
pete_dushenski and ordered a bullet-proof model, naturally, as soon as he returned to moscow [22:47]
asciilifeform iirc that one was auctioned recently ? [22:48]
asciilifeform or was that his 'zil' [22:48]
pete_dushenski hm i missed said auction [22:48]
asciilifeform lol, would have bought it ? [22:48]
pete_dushenski for the right price, i'll buy anything. [22:48]
asciilifeform for an even righter price i'll also buy anything. [22:49]
pete_dushenski you would undercut me, wouldn't you. [22:49]
asciilifeform neh, the street bum who bids a penny will undercut. [22:50]
asciilifeform all of us. [22:50]
asciilifeform (how does this work exactly.) [22:50]
pete_dushenski lol it doesn't [22:50]
asciilifeform but yes, congrats. vroom. [22:50]
asciilifeform does that thing run on ordinary petrol? [22:50]
pete_dushenski cheers [22:50]
pete_dushenski oh ya, inordinate amounts of it [22:50]
mircea_popescu << lol nothing like a blonde girl with black eyebrows and landing strip. [22:51]
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pete_dushenski not sure i would've sprung for it had gas been $1.2/L [22:51]
assbot ... ( ) [22:51]
pete_dushenski i don't think i'll eke out 400 km of city driving on a 90l tank [22:51]
pete_dushenski probably more like 600-700km on the highway [22:51]
asciilifeform good car for fellow who doesn't drive. [22:51]
mircea_popescu tank isn't that big if memory serves, more like 52, and fuel economy is not that bad, more like 7ish [22:52]
mircea_popescu so you'd do ~500 km on the 50 liters in the tank [22:52]
pete_dushenski i drive about 5000km a year so almost "doesn't drive" [22:52]
mircea_popescu *700 [22:52]
pete_dushenski "23.8-gallon fuel tank" [22:53]
mircea_popescu << this person does NOT understand what "turing complete" means. [22:53]
assbot Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( ) [22:53]
mircea_popescu apparently a sack of 20 different apples is "turing complete" if you provide the turing completeness separately [22:54]
mircea_popescu and allocate the apples to machine states or sumthin [22:54]
asciilifeform separately ? [22:54]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu you're probably thinking of the 300 sel, if not one of the diesels [22:55]
asciilifeform seems like the question re: the linked article is, can one have the card players compute an arbitrary function (without them knowing) by having them play out a certain position [22:55]
asciilifeform seems like it purports to show that - yes [22:55]
* asciilifeform has not checked the proof, just saw this turd [22:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what he does is, "here's a turing machine, and here's how im painting my game on it. " [22:55]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i was thinking of teh diesel. [22:55]
mircea_popescu this is gas ?! [22:55]
pete_dushenski you thought it was a 5.6l diesel? [22:56]
pete_dushenski it's not a 3/4 ton pickup [22:56]
pete_dushenski lol ya it's gas [22:56]
mircea_popescu yeah those had shitty fuel economy. [22:57]
mircea_popescu back in the 90s the diesels were pretty economical cause diesel was 30% off [22:57]
pete_dushenski now diesel is all over the place [22:58]
pete_dushenski often 30% more [22:58]
pete_dushenski plus, quite underpowered and they never heat up in the winter [22:58]
pete_dushenski not enough waste heat [22:58]
pete_dushenski though the diesels are known to last 1,000,000 miles [22:59]
mircea_popescu hm, nah, it'll heat alright [22:59]
pete_dushenski at -30C it'll take a while [23:00]
pete_dushenski by which time you're probably already at your destination [23:01]
pete_dushenski could take 30 min [23:01]
mircea_popescu ah yes, i guess that's a point. [23:01]
mircea_popescu doesn't get that cold in yurp [23:01]
pete_dushenski ya, it's an entirely canadian consideration [23:02]
pete_dushenski as is traction in snow, etc. [23:02]
ben_vulpes it's not a 3/4 ton pickup << lol [23:03]
ben_vulpes nice acquisition, pete_dushenski [23:03]
mircea_popescu "Nos numerus sumus et fruges consumere nati." [23:04]
pete_dushenski not too shabby eh [23:04]
mircea_popescu "we are statistics, born to consume resources." [23:04]
ben_vulpes imma put lady v in a mercedes baby wagon here sometime [23:04]
ben_vulpes you know [23:04]
ben_vulpes the long ones [23:04]
ben_vulpes hearses [23:04]
mircea_popescu get a volvo while at it [23:04]
pete_dushenski glk ? e-something ? [23:04]
mircea_popescu and weld them top to top [23:04]
pete_dushenski i think top gear did that welding game once [23:04]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes so when's this baby of yours due ? we've been hearing about it since, what, you tried to use it as an excuse to not go to the third conference ? [23:06]
pete_dushenski we want to send you toys! [23:07]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: i'm going to the third conference, foo [23:07]
pete_dushenski well now you are... [23:07]
ben_vulpes you see the girl's sister's wedding is important enough to shift babymaking around, but not con3 [23:07]
ben_vulpes but can't really say yo [23:08]
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ben_vulpes letting biology do its thing [23:08]
pete_dushenski that's a fun game at least :) [23:08]
ben_vulpes myeah [23:09]
ben_vulpes getting creative. it's a blast, honestly. [23:09]
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pete_dushenski lol probably stressful at times but you have to roll with the punches [23:10]
pete_dushenski it's not like lady v is 35yo and it's crazy crunch time [23:11]
pete_dushenski might as well enjoy these final months/years of peaceful sleep [23:11]
pete_dushenski and dink life [23:11]
ben_vulpes dink < meh [23:16]
ben_vulpes perhaps you missed the part of the log where i disclosed that lady v is on my personal payroll [23:17]
pete_dushenski i guess it depends whether your personal payroll includes personal cheques or just payments in kind ;) [23:19]
ben_vulpes personal cheques would defeat the purpose; then i'd have to pay taxes on money i'd already have paid taxes on. [23:21]
asciilifeform what's it mean to have a pet on payroll even. [23:22]
pete_dushenski employee [23:23]
pete_dushenski professional services rendered [23:24]
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mats papa vulpes [23:24]
pete_dushenski i mean, it's possible [23:24]
mats adorbs [23:24]
pete_dushenski probably -ev tho [23:24]
asciilifeform why does a pet need money. [23:25]
mats handbags. [23:25]
asciilifeform spambags ? [23:25]
kakobrekla to bring in food. at least in my case. [23:26]
* asciilifeform almost failed to read 'handbags' because it lodged in his skullcase's spam filter [23:26]
* kakobrekla hates going to the store. [23:26]
* asciilifeform would have pet fetch food but it would require teaching pet to drive and issuing a vehicle [23:27]
ben_vulpes yeah well there you go [23:27]
ben_vulpes mine has her own [23:27]
ben_vulpes and does the cooking too [23:27]
asciilifeform cooking - yes [23:27]
ben_vulpes easily delegable all sorts of household tasks [23:27]
ben_vulpes girl basically runs the household [23:29]
ben_vulpes no reason to not provide adequate expense accounts to ensure everything gets done [23:29]
ben_vulpes wait - skullcase? [23:29]
ben_vulpes nm. [23:29]
kakobrekla here you dont need a car to go to the store. [23:30]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: srsly, how often does one see word 'handbag' outside of spam. [23:30]
kakobrekla actually it would take longer with the car than by foot. [23:30]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: the only thing one can reliably get to where i live, without a motor, is 'convenience stores' which largely sell recycled food [23:31]
mats must be nice living in a first world country [23:31]
kakobrekla i live in this valley [23:31]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: woah. colour. [23:32]
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kakobrekla kinda near those houses on the left [23:33]
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kakobrekla its sorta famous place, lots of pics. [23:35]
mats looks idyllic [23:35]
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kakobrekla from the top of the hill [23:38]
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kakobrekla nuff of spamming [23:38]
kakobrekla !up felipelalli [23:43]
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felipelalli Can I write an article in Portuguese to Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review? [23:44]
kakobrekla ping mircea_popescu BingoBoingo [23:45]
felipelalli ok! Thank you kakobrekla [23:46]
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kakobrekla actually i was pinging them for their attention for you [23:46]
kakobrekla just sit down and wait till someone appropriate comes around [23:46]
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felipelalli thank you! Let me ask another thing: wouldn't nice if this page (default 404): (where anything can be anything) was linked somewhere? Like "Search" or "Category" (without the message "Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?")? This page is very useful because it shows the categories and the search. I couldn't find a link to search/category page. [23:53]
assbot Page not found | ... ( ) [23:53]
kakobrekla i think cazalla edits the wp [23:54]
mike_c why do you want to write in portuguese? [23:55]
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mike_c i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up. [23:55]
mats i imagine its his native tongur [23:56]
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mats tongue* blasted touchscreen [23:56]
mike_c reasoning is along the lines of, "the only people you are reaching is the people in italy who haven't bothered to learn english" [23:56]
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mats the net must be a boring place for people who can't read the big three [23:58]
kakobrekla you mean js css and html ? [23:59]
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