Forum logs for 20 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mats ofc [00:00]
mike_c kako, when are we buying our tickets to BA for april? it's getting late. [00:00]
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kakobrekla you should do comedy i think [00:01]
asciilifeform kakobrekla will go ? [00:01]
mike_c i am trying to twist his arm. [00:01]
kakobrekla !up felipelalli [00:03]
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felipelalli mike_c: because it is my native language and my English is not so good. But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood. [00:03]
kakobrekla you english seems fine [00:03]
mike_c yeah.. not sure who is going to do that translation for you [00:03]
kakobrekla i mean, fine enough for english draft at least [00:03]
mike_c ^ i agree. write it in english and get that reviewed. [00:04]
felipelalli thank you! : ) I'm gonna try it. [00:08]
mike_c !gettrust assbot felipelalli [00:10]
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mike_c what's the topic? [00:11]
felipelalli mike_c: why when I send this command to gribble I receive a different result? [00:12]
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mike_c you are doing it the other way [00:13]
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mike_c you trust assbot, the bot doesn't yet trust you [00:13]
felipelalli mike_c: ah! Ok. [00:13]
felipelalli mike_c: I want to do an overview of the Bitcoin image in Brazil. I want to show how almost everybody here thinks it is a scam. But for this I use a professional statistical research that costs a fortune. [00:13]
felipelalli *I want to use [00:14]
felipelalli I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research. [00:14]
kakobrekla i agree, its a scam. [00:14]
kakobrekla no stat tools needed. [00:15]
mike_c not even a good scam. price goes down all the time. [00:15]
kakobrekla i dont think it ever went up [00:15]
felipelalli are you kidding, right? :) [00:15]
mike_c so, if you want to do this research but have not yet, what is the article going to say? [00:16]
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felipelalli I want to write one, just like a dream. Not sure if I will accomplish. [00:17]
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kakobrekla well get to work, dreams wont dream themselfs! [00:18]
mike_c ah. well, hit the streets, get 50 random brazilians to answer a survey. the results of that might be worth an article. [00:18]
mike_c heh, 50 brazilian. that's a lot. [00:18]
kakobrekla there arent that many? [00:19]
felipelalli no, I had worked in a statistical company, if you say to them that you made that, they gonna kill you! :) [00:19]
felipelalli the number doesn't matter, but the distribution. [00:19]
mike_c well, it's just a survey. confidence interval is +- 2 brazilian [00:19]
TheNewDeal ;;ident [00:20]
gribble Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified. [00:20]
mats a what? >30 s'all you need [00:20]
felipelalli no. If I go to slams it will be one result, if I go to downtown, another totally different. [00:20]
mike_c 30 brazilian? [00:20]
kakobrekla i think he is saying 1 brazilian is enough [00:20]
felipelalli *slum [00:20]
kakobrekla and extrapolate [00:20]
mats you're not gonna let that go huh mike_c [00:20]
mike_c oh god.. the accent in my head is killing me. hilarious [00:20]
TheNewDeal ;;nethash [00:21]
gribble 324390816.001 [00:21]
kakobrekla felipelalli come up with a draft and show it to qntra people is your best bet [00:21]
felipelalli kakobrekla: thank you! I'll try it. [00:22]
kakobrekla cool [00:22]
mats kakobrekla being surprisingly nice and helpful [00:22]
kakobrekla go fuck yourself [00:22]
mats :( [00:22]
felipelalli but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need. [00:22]
kakobrekla aww cmon mats a little joke. [00:23]
mats im sensitive [00:23]
kakobrekla then i wont hug you [00:24]
mats felipelalli: def a waste. what's software gonna do that you can't replicate by hand? [00:24]
mike_c i'll give mats a brazilian hugs [00:24]
felipelalli waste of money if I hire that company. [00:25]
mats not to say there wouldn't be a valid use case. just, what's the point? [00:25]
felipelalli I have to go, nice to meet you guys. hugs from Brazil. [00:25]
kakobrekla lol, authentic brazil hugs [00:25]
kakobrekla ok good luck [00:25]
mats adorbs [00:25]
felipelalli thank you kakobrekla [00:25]
mats this is the most touching moment ive witnessed in #b-a [00:26]
kakobrekla lol [00:26]
mats usually its all world domination and biodiesel [00:26]
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TheNewDeal ;;seen The20YearIRCloud [00:29]
gribble The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: Big thing has been to have em look over all the financial documents as we're filing taxes for 2014 next month and I didn't want to submit till they had a good idea of it. [00:29]
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TheNewDeal did !s disappear [00:33]
kakobrekla !s search [00:34]
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kakobrekla found it [00:34]
mats via hn [00:35]
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mircea_popescu from the top of the hill << o look, czechoslovenia! [00:42]
mircea_popescu i mean yugoslovakia [00:42]
mircea_popescu felipelalli so what did you want to talk about ? [00:43]
mircea_popescu mats: adorbs << lol. yeh. [00:47]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: and does the cooking too << i remember that part. [00:49]
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mircea_popescu mike_c: i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up. << well, nobody speaks italian. brazil speaks portuguese. i don't directly see a problem with it, if the coverage's any good. [00:52]
mircea_popescu but there'd have to be some sort of serious upfront commitment to it. one article now and again isn'treally worth the hassle. [00:52]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli: But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood. << this is a non-starter. the person doing the translation can just write their own stuff directly. you're not famous or anything, why'd you imagine someone'd be bothered translating you specifically ? [00:55]
mircea_popescu talking about bitcoin and scams, [00:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14240 @ 0.00051321 = 7.3081 BTC [-] [01:03]
mats << kek. reenlisted in a GameStop. [01:04]
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mircea_popescu whassat ? [01:04]
mats vidya game store [01:05]
mircea_popescu i get that part [01:05]
mats o, hes doing a reenlistment ceremony to reup his contract [01:05]
mircea_popescu oh [01:05]
mircea_popescu lol [01:05]
mircea_popescu felipelalli: I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research. << there's perhaps better uses to that capital, whatever you'd be spending. seeing how the value of asnwering the "what does brazil think" on whatever topic isn't really that great. i guess it could be a useful demonstration of methodology etc, but that needs some sort of a plan, won't do much as just a shot in the dark. [01:07]
mats From the pre-close panel at Shmoocon yesterday: "We used to be smarter than the Feds, it used to be a joke, how dumb they are. The NSA and FBI have a lot of smart people working for them now, I think it may be the other way around these days." [01:11]
mircea_popescu o.O [01:11]
mats shmoocon was meh this year, though. [01:14]
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mats although James Forshaw's talk was pretty good. i can't seem to find slides online... [01:16]
mats i think attendees were dazzled by the reproduced ANT tools [01:16]
mats michael ossmann is the man. [01:17]
mats from july. [01:18]
assbot mossmann's blog: The NSA Playset ... ( ) [01:19]
mircea_popescu mats: usually its all world domination and biodiesel << world biodisomination! [01:21]
mats << this'd be p good for a qntra article BingoBoingo [01:27]
assbot ... ( ) [01:27]
mats "SEC. 104. Ensuring Authority for Courts to Shut Down Botnets ..." [01:28]
mats "(D) violating or about to violate section 1030 of this title where such conduct would affect 100 or more protected computers during any 1-year period, such as (but not limited to) by denying access to or operation of the computers, installing unwanted software on the computers, using the computers without authorization, or obtaining information from the [01:28]
mats computers without authorization" [01:28]
mats nmap is now a WMD [01:28]
mircea_popescu lol [01:28]
mircea_popescu this entire "forget how the machines work we'll make a legal representaton of how they SHOULD work and then hold you to respect that whether you knew it or not" is such nonsense. [01:29]
asciilifeform !s monolith [01:29]
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mircea_popescu basically the proposition is that rather than writing good software, bad software will be translated into law language [01:29]
asciilifeform [01:30]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2014 01:30:35; asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of [01:30]
mircea_popescu except, how the fuck will that work ? here's a broken c program, make a basic version of it and then try to enforce it [01:30]
mircea_popescu BEFORE A JURY [01:30]
mircea_popescu it's ludicrous as a concept. showing that these idiots posing as "leaders" have the intellectual penetration of frogs. [01:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol, have you -seen- an american jury. [01:30]
mircea_popescu i actually helped slant a couple. [01:30]
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TheNewDeal mp, what is the email address that would have sent out a token for trilema? [01:51]
PeterL TheNewDeal: mine came from office @ [01:58]
TheNewDeal gracias [01:59]
mircea_popescu yeah [02:02]
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mats [02:11]
assbot – Free Screen Sharing and Online Meetings ... ( ) [02:11]
mats some guy pwning US edu sites. [02:11]
mircea_popescu that ancient virus now has its own website ? [02:15]
mats what are you referring to? [02:16]
mircea_popescu mats [02:18]
assbot THE VIRUS (spreading the word) ALERT!!!! by 4eyez95 on DeviantArt ... ( ) [02:18]
mircea_popescu (it's a joke) [02:19]
mats heh [02:20]
mircea_popescu probably the best infection report on the internets. [02:20]
mats > Damn hackers! I want to hack them all (my stepdad once set a virus to this dork that was bragging bout his hacking skills, the virus causes your computer to wipe itself cleab each time it turns on or off! Dont worry, he only sent it to that one guy) [02:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00051072 = 13.0744 BTC [-] [02:24]
mats boring stream [02:25]
mircea_popescu !up coderwill [02:26]
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coderwill Hello [02:27]
mircea_popescu hi [02:28]
coderwill mircea_popescu: Is MPEX your exchange? [02:29]
mircea_popescu yea [02:29]
coderwill Cool, I remember a few weeks ago arriving on it a couple of months ago - I think Wences Cesares of Xapo mentioned it on Twitter. [02:31]
coderwill I'm in the early phases of setting up an exchange here in Costa Rica. [02:31]
mircea_popescu aha [02:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00049584 = 26.106 BTC [-] {3} [02:35]
coderwill mircea_popescu: anything you wish you'd known when you first started putting together your exchange that you know now? [02:37]
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coderwill thanks for the temp +v [02:53]
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mircea_popescu coderwill it's not entirely clear what you mean by "exchange", but in any case : what you're looking for has been covered extensively by mpoe-pr on the forum, back in the early days when the sort of nonsense was a lot more prevalent/ [03:02]
mircea_popescu you definitely should read her exhaustively before anything else [03:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 350 @ 0.1137346 = 39.8071 BTC [-] {6} [03:15]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: or was that his 'zil' << zil was auctioned rather recently [04:12]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: Can I write an article in Portuguese to Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review? << It is far easier to clean up iffy English tham translate. [04:16]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need. << Prolly do it in the way that keeps your expenses on this down. [04:18]
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mats [04:21]
assbot Why I Hope Congress Never Watches Blackhat | WIRED ... ( ) [04:21]
felipelalli BingoBoingo: thank you, but I was already discouraged enough. I'll think of a way to contribute, I loved the style of - and would like to see some original research on it. Do not know why it fascinates me, but the amount of misinformation in the world of bitcoin is incredible, it's hard to trust something without having checked ourselves. [04:22]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: Well, you are welcome to submit articles for review. [04:22]
felipelalli BingoBoingo: thank you. [04:23]
mircea_popescu that's a good point. [04:24]
mircea_popescu tons of varied nonsense floating about [04:24]
BingoBoingo I simply lack the nuances of the language to do a great portugese translation. Research would be incredibly welcome though. [04:24]
felipelalli BingoBoingo: nice to hear that, I'll put my brain to work. [04:25]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [04:25]
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mircea_popescu mats dude, a piece about one kevin poulsen featuring a large picture of said kevin poulsen (who looks like a dork) discussing kevin poulsen and stuff to do with kevin poulsen. [04:26]
mircea_popescu i can see why he wrote it. wtf is wired doing publishing it [04:26]
mircea_popescu oh wait. free. right. [04:26]
BingoBoingo Free is the only price they can afford. [04:26]
BingoBoingo mats: I'll take a look. [04:27]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell mike_c Thanks [04:27]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:27]
mats yeah its bad [04:43]
mats like an aquarium [04:43]
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mircea_popescu ahh lovely assbot voice [10:27]
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nubbins` what a fuckin process [11:04]
danielpbarron "I think its perfectly usable for people who are comfortable with bitcoin, but aren't developers or are tech-savvy. You could crowdfund, you know, me and my friends go to a concert and we've got to 'group buy' concert tickets, or group buy a laser tag day or something." Hearn on his decentralized kickstarter turd [11:04]
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nubbins` "If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge more nicely." [11:04]
nubbins` my sides!! [11:04]
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mircea_popescu bah, so im writing an article. put down the first paragraph, 800 words worth of notes. [11:05]
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mircea_popescu writing is this exercise in fucking impossibility. [11:05]
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scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [11:41]
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assbot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore ... ( ) [11:47]
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scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [12:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.11117555 = 2.7794 BTC [-] {6} [12:03]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [12:07]
gribble Current Blocks: 339780 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 923 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42294419240.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.81437 [12:07]
BingoBoingo [12:10]
assbot OK /CoinFireBlog I've made sure that GAW article is saved on wayback machine, and I've kept a copy as well. Complete BS. [12:10]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [12:24]
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asciilifeform << mega-lol [12:35]
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BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.felipelalli.1:482fa9fe4369a62b557ecf1a16dc802002691c8a51e913ebe7fd4bf94fdaeb64 [12:59]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: +v easy come, easy... [12:59]
thestringpuller soul music. RIP detroit the motor city [12:59]
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danielpbarron idk if it matters since it doesn't sound like there is a need to translate from portugese to english, but i know a guy fluent in both languages [13:04]
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xanthyos ooh i figured it out [13:06]
xanthyos oh just !v not !verify [13:06]
xanthyos 6 times more efficient to type [13:07]
thestringpuller ;;ident [13:07]
gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None [13:07]
thestringpuller ;;rate danielpbarron 2 crypto-priest [13:07]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user danielpbarron has been recorded. [13:07]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lulzy twitter drama [13:08]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform << btw saw the saudi prince interview where he admits they're best buds with putin now ? [13:09]
BingoBoingo Really is, nobody "scam hunters" getting pissed that the scammer they like is getting shat on. [13:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol! nope [13:09]
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mircea_popescu [13:10]
assbot Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( ) [13:10]
mircea_popescu usa today no less. [13:10]
* asciilifeform skeptical [13:10]
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mircea_popescu he's a bit of a jirinovski [13:11]
mircea_popescu "And without a functioning industrial economy crude oil would be reclassified as toxic waste. But that is still two or three decades off in the future." [13:13]
mircea_popescu lol. mmmkay. [13:13]
BingoBoingo "Backyard refinery" [13:17]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema." [13:19]
mircea_popescu i suppose that's the definition of bias. "agreeing with others in the parts where they agree with you." [13:20]
mircea_popescu but in any case, i'd love to see the math by which russia produces oil at a profit when it's $25 a barrel. [13:20]
mircea_popescu strangely, he also seems unaware of teh obama charlie hebdo blunder. i dunno when the us was as politically isolated in its past 1848 history as the time when everyone was in paris except obama. putin was there for chrissakes. [13:24]
mircea_popescu i guess hauling all those submarines in helicopters in boats in trains arrangement for securitah has its disadvantages. can't move fast enough [13:24]
mircea_popescu heh [13:32]
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nubbins` thestringpuller pm me details about this work of yours [13:43]
nubbins` better not be as drawn-out as last time [13:43]
mircea_popescu lol that blinky map dohickey ( reports "119 Recent Pageviews". over about 10 minutes ? so like [13:43]
nubbins` actually, scratch that. pm me details about this work of yours when you've got money in-hand and a design ready to go. there's really no need to update me before that point :P [13:43]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 119 * 6 * 24 [13:43]
gribble 17136 [13:43]
mircea_popescu soon to be overtaken by qntra o.O [13:44]
mircea_popescu i guess it's time for cazalla to get a ten page wikipedia article in all teh languages. [13:44]
ben_vulpes buenos dias, wreckers [13:50]
BingoBoingo !b 7 [13:50]
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BingoBoingo !up felipelalli [14:23]
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BingoBoingo Next they come for the Roth IRAs [14:24]
assbot Let's Pay for 'Free' Community College by Taxing College Savings! - Hit & Run : ... ( ) [14:24]
kakobrekla [14:29]
assbot NYSE Completes Minority Investment in Coinbase [14:29]
mats a lol [14:33]
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scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [14:35]
mats "Australia has flown 144 sorties on Islamic State extremists, but it's believed IS had already struck first, launching a cyber-missile on Australian computer systems." [14:35]
mats > a cyber-missile [14:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00051182 = 9.0592 BTC [+] {3} [14:41]
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mircea_popescu vrediteli! [15:05]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla curious what comes of this. [15:06]
mircea_popescu mats calling it "a cyber missile" is a good joke. calling some beheadings "a new hairstyle" is a bad joke. gotta keep track! [15:07]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pretty soon the jury will have to deliberate on the exclusive basis of one sheet of paper on which the words "The People consider the defendant guilty" are written [15:10]
mircea_popescu in 16 point comic ms font [15:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's seriously looks like where the system is headed. [15:10]
mircea_popescu ima put it in comments brb [15:10]
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Adlai lol this reminds me of the whole shitshow in the idf where "real warriors" got all tussled about the cyber command calling its hackers "cyber warriors" [15:20]
Adlai some highup officer says that a single cyber warrior can be more valuable to the country than hundreds [of thousands] of regular warriors [15:20]
Adlai and then recants this statement once all the other highups flip a shit [15:20]
mircea_popescu that's a dangerous path to take. because "screw you bitch, i can sit in a chair and fly a desk too." [15:21]
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Adlai it was hilarious at the time, being a "real warrior" myself, but siding with the "cyber warrior" camp :D [15:21]
mircea_popescu the argument is about as retarded as saying that "one real warrior can be more valuable than" bla bla. sure, the guy who puts up the flag can be misrepresented so and so. [15:21]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, it's about two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters than it is to find passible language-of-the-week coders. [15:22]
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Adlai nobody was suggesting calling coders "cyber warriors", this was about hackers crackers and stuxers [15:25]
mircea_popescu yaya. [15:25]
mircea_popescu im sure. [15:25]
mircea_popescu just like nobody is calling retarded journalist cunts "core developers" on the basis of their merging gender changes to pronouns in documentation on github. [15:26]
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mircea_popescu to the grief of women actually involved with computers. whoi aren't a market for the niggers, because they're smart and few, which makes it too expensive. [15:26]
* Adlai encountered a new one yesterday, "zir" [15:26]
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Adlai sounds like a malamanteau of "her" and "sir" [15:27]
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Adlai !ud malamanteau [15:27]
Adlai assbot: pls [15:27]
mircea_popescu țîr m. (ngr. tziros) : a small fish. [15:29]
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mircea_popescu "The slightly good news is that PID 1 segfaulting does not reboot the machine on the spot. " [15:33]
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mircea_popescu "Attempts to log in or to su to root from an existing login either fail or hang." [15:33]
mircea_popescu " dude it's so great to be back on windows, seriously" << fifty million "experts" running systemd [15:33]
mircea_popescu The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message. [15:34]
mircea_popescu "The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message." [15:34]
mircea_popescu "accidentally", all this, no doubt. [15:34]
mircea_popescu (Oh, and journalctl goes out of its way to set up this behavior. Not by passing command line arguments to less, because that would be too obvious (you might spot it in a ps listing, for example); instead it mangles $LESS to effectively add the '-S' option, among other things.) [15:35]
asciilifeform two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters << since when is cannon fodder in short supply? [15:37]
mircea_popescu note i was not talking about web experts. [15:38]
thestringpuller random: is there a reason "crowd source" projects usually are of mediocre quality? [15:40]
thestringpuller seems "flashy" and stuffs and not enough..."factor x" [15:40]
mircea_popescu all crowd source projects constructed around an asshole succeed. like linux. and like systemd. [15:41]
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BingoBoingo Updated: [15:44]
assbot Prosecutors Seek to Bar DPR Interview From Jury – Updated | ... ( ) [15:44]
mircea_popescu lol epic railroading. [15:45]
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jurov i know several people who ended up running webserver on windows because "under linux we could never get everything working right, admin always fixing something" [15:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla of course my only takeaway is that the price is doing pretty well at strangling coinbase. lucky them that they managed a refinance. curious if bitpay announces anything soon. [15:46]
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BingoBoingo Well Coinbase got financing. BitPay because of the publicity stunt gets belt tightening. [15:47]
kakobrekla actually that bp thing smells like koruption to me [15:48]
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mircea_popescu ? [15:48]
kakobrekla the bowl sponsorship or whatever the fuck [15:49]
mircea_popescu how'd that go ? [15:50]
BingoBoingo Oh few things are as corrupt as College Football. It is gloriously corrupt. [15:50]
mircea_popescu "medium awareness" << triple pun of win! [15:53]
BingoBoingo I mean with the plantation slaves... I mean University Student Athletes... [15:53]
assbot "South Park" Crack Baby Athletic Association (TV Episode 2011) - IMDb ... ( ) [15:53]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this. << of course there's also the possibility they made it up. not the 1st time. [15:54]
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mircea_popescu ps : "DDoS protection by CloudFlare" does not actually work. [15:55]
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Adlai more like "DoS centralization courtesy of CloudFlare" [15:56]
BingoBoingo Well of course. They probably don't have a giant folder with the whole SEC file. I wouldn't put it past them to have a friend who happens to be a government secretary somewhere. [15:56]
Adlai "Why so serious? Let us put a smile on that face of yours, and turn a 404 into a 503 today!" [15:56]
Adlai only9.99,termsandconditionsmayapply [15:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams? <<< the explanation is quite pedestrian. there's a bunch of fuctards who imagine they're "the coimmunity" notwithstanding they have no money and no political importance. because hey, they FEEL like they should matter. these derps ineffectually tried to prop up mtgox. they failed, but they don't wish to confront the why there, so instead the [15:57]
mircea_popescu y prefer blaming fatso. [15:57]
mircea_popescu who is generally stupid and lazy, and i doubt teh story will stick, but hey. angry narcissists. [15:57]
mircea_popescu Adlai thing is , page simply does not resolve unless you run bad software. [15:58]
mircea_popescu that's plenty of modern browsers, of course, but hey. [15:58]
BingoBoingo Well somewhere I think someone brought up a govt agent suspecting Fatty was also Thermos [15:58]
mircea_popescu and obama. [15:59]
BingoBoingo Sure. [15:59]
BingoBoingo Karpeles is probably secretly Lizard Hitler too. [15:59]
mircea_popescu punkman: " Chart is FAKE" << lolz. rly ?! [15:59]
mircea_popescu what's next, bifinex is a lulzy scamfest and btcjam loses 30% of your moneyz every coupla quarters ? [16:00]
mircea_popescu soon enough 2012 will be like, rediscovered. [16:00]
BingoBoingo Oh, you mean Bitfinex like [16:02]
assbot Bitfinex exchange owner admits to using inside information to trade on own platform : Bitcoin ... ( ) [16:02]
mircea_popescu lol [16:03]
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Adlai good thing bitfinex doesn't trade stocks and there's no such thing as insider forex trading [16:04]
Adlai (fsvo "good") [16:04]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is elastic, it can be anything you want it to be. "commodity" [16:06]
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kakobrekla more like cumodity [16:06]
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mircea_popescu !up nubbins` [16:07]
-assbot- You voiced nubbins` without time-limit. [16:07]
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mircea_popescu hey ever managed to reg ? [16:07]
BingoBoingo [16:07]
assbot New police radars can 'see' inside homes ... ( ) [16:07]
mircea_popescu ah ok [16:07]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "walls". ie, vinyl siding. [16:08]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course. It's just amazing how shitware isn't limited to the stuff that Stan blawgs about. [16:08]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:08]
mircea_popescu Yes, a MASTER CARVER who normally earns $450 (or is it $800 (or is it $3,000)) per hour is willing to make Butterfly Labs dildos for $18/hr. [16:09]
mircea_popescu i lulzd. [16:09]
mircea_popescu the last master carver to have made 3k an hour was known by his moustache. [16:10]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i dun think anyone who a) isn't mentally retarded and b) looked at any item more than cursorily failed to realise it's a computer etch. [16:11]
mircea_popescu i know i sort-of considered having something done when he was first brought up but dropped after actually looking at w/e it was at the tgime. [16:11]
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mircea_popescu !up STRML [16:12]
-assbot- You voiced STRML for 30 minutes. [16:12]
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STRML Thanks mircea_popescu [16:13]
mircea_popescu you register your key with assbot, aquire some trust and then can self-voice. [16:13]
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nubbins` mp XD [16:13]
STRML Great, I'll check the docs [16:13]
mircea_popescu !up diana_coman [16:13]
-assbot- You voiced diana_coman for 30 minutes. [16:13]
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nubbins` i'm in read-only mode in that thread from now on, it's too rich [16:14]
mircea_popescu STRML assbot documented pretty well on wiki. [16:14]
nubbins` like eating an entire cheesecake [16:14]
mircea_popescu nubbins` tbh i think it's forcing a point. anyone buying whatever on puffery is stuck. [16:14]
mircea_popescu it's not fraud to say you're "a master artisan". it'd have been a fraud had it been a regulated profession. [16:14]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: curious if bitpay announces anything soon. [16:14]
thestringpuller ^- sooner than you think [16:14]
mircea_popescu aha. [16:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00049359 = 12.3398 BTC [-] {3} [16:15]
nubbins` fair enough [16:15]
nubbins` i got drawn in by his insistence on obfuscating the fact [16:15]
mircea_popescu and tbh, tiny chisels do exist. [16:15]
nubbins` i know! [16:15]
mircea_popescu mostly carbide tipped [16:15]
nubbins` too bad he shows me the 3/4" ones instead [16:15]
mircea_popescu expensive as all shit, the 1/26 1/32 stuff [16:16]
nubbins` [16:16]
assbot Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( ) [16:16]
nubbins` ^ final send-off [16:16]
nubbins` odd imperial sizes are a terrible thing [16:16]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: rumor is they've been seeking more funding. dunno if they'll announce another round soon or not. [16:16]
nubbins` you know how much a 9/16" drill bit costs? [16:16]
Adlai STRML: you from bitmex? [16:16]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller not much need for that to be a rumour. obviousness is obvious, i dun think anyone doesn't know they are. [16:16]
mircea_popescu nubbins` not by heart, but yes, you can probably buy a girl in the shadier part of town for less. [16:16]
nubbins` i :0'd last time i had to buy one [16:17]
nubbins` anyway, poor kid will learn his craft over time. i guess [16:18]
STRML Adlai: Yep :) [16:18]
kakobrekla !s bitmex [16:18]
assbot 0 results for 'bitmex' : [16:18]
mircea_popescu nah, this isn't really how you learn that. [16:18]
mircea_popescu it'slikesaying kid driving will evetually learn to marathon [16:18]
STRML kakobrekla: [16:19]
assbot BitMEX - Bitcoin Mercantile Exchange ... ( ) [16:19]
nubbins` heh [16:19]
mircea_popescu o.O [16:19]
nubbins` i meant the craft of lasering things, perhaps in a booth at the mall [16:19]
mircea_popescu that's basically how you make keys right ? [16:20]
STRML We are a derivatives exchange for investors and speculators who are serious about the products they trade. I could give you the whole pitch but I don't want to spam the channel :) [16:20]
mircea_popescu STRML so who is the serious traders that built it ? [16:20]
nubbins` more or less [16:20]
nubbins` [16:20]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( ) [16:20]
nubbins` that type shit [16:20]
nubbins` engraving/keycutting/lasering is a popular combo [16:20]
STRML mircea_popescu: Our cofounders and board members have 40+ years combined in banking [16:21]
nubbins` altho tbf keys are mostly still ground [16:21]
mircea_popescu names if you will. [16:21]
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kakobrekla 100 1yearold have 100 years experience [16:21]
STRML Arthur Hayes - Deutsche Bank, and Joseph Jeong, DB, Credit Suisse, et al [16:22]
STRML [16:22]
assbot About Us - BitMEX ... ( ) [16:22]
mircea_popescu "BitMEX is the first centrally cleared derivatives exchange. " << the first it certainly isn't. [16:22]
mircea_popescu ah, i clicked the about but nothing happened. js issue i guess. [16:22]
thestringpuller Everyone thinks bitcoin is ready for options again cause they know how to write JS [16:23]
STRML We don't think it's ready for options at all, actually [16:23]
thestringpuller "This platform is bugged" "But it looks pretty!" [16:23]
mircea_popescu "Arthur Hayes obtained his BA in Economics at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania in 2008. " [16:23]
mircea_popescu this is the antithesis of "experienced" you know. [16:24]
STRML I understand, the majority of our experience is in our engine author who wishes to remain unnamed [16:24]
thestringpuller makes it easier to take the money and run [16:25]
STRML For him, perhaps, not for us [16:25]
STRML We are very public about who we are [16:25]
Adlai well you could just get the engine sauce audited, then revoke anonybob's access [16:25]
STRML To be clear, that was a joke; we use multisig internally, it is not possible for our unnamed cofounder to cut and run [16:25]
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STRML The only reason he is as of yet unnamed is because he is still employed [16:25]
Adlai ah yes, the fabled noncompete [16:26]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [16:26]
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mircea_popescu so Jeong threw some money , which is what he does, a sicrit expert wrote "the engine" and an eager black guy class of 2008 wants to play the danny brewster. [16:27]
STRML Is this channel usually so hostile? [16:27]
Adlai yes :) [16:27]
mircea_popescu depends to what. [16:27]
STRML We are nothing but open about what we do and how we do it, with the exception of that cofounder's name [16:27]
mircea_popescu right. [16:27]
STRML I believe we're a breath of fresh air in the derivatives space, which is dominated by players who barely understand derivatives to begin with [16:28]
mircea_popescu by the way, anyone remember reddit ? << top kek. [16:28]
assbot Neo & Bee: the first genuine alternative to traditional banking ... ( ) [16:28]
mircea_popescu STRML do you understand the space between a claim and a fact ? anyone can say that. in fact, people tend to. this doesn't correlate with anything substantial. [16:28]
STRML And we're the only derivs exchange that doesn't do socialized losses. It takes a far different approach to guarantee something like that [16:28]
STRML Of course your word means little in the Bitcoin space [16:29]
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STRML It's a matter of building a reputation and maintaining it. Only way to do that is to consistently be trustworthy over a significant period of time. [16:29]
mircea_popescu STRML no, not my word. my word means plenty. your word means little, but for very good reason : 1) you're not in the wot and b) you've not do your reading. [16:30]
mircea_popescu done* [16:30]
STRML Just because I haven't spent much time on this particular IRC channel doesn't mean that I, and by extension my company, is untrustworthy [16:30]
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STRML But I am happy to enter the WoT [16:30]
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danielpbarron "Blazedout commissioned a $14,000 art piece. I shipped it first and he followed through with payment as promised." << LOL, Blazedout419 was the sucker? [16:31]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Isn't he often that? [16:31]
danielpbarron :D [16:31]
kakobrekla thats all he is really. [16:31]
nubbins` heh [16:31]
nubbins` [16:31]
assbot Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) ... ( ) [16:31]
nubbins` :o [16:31]
danielpbarron i didn't realize he had such a reputation in here! I mostly know about him from when i used to idle in -otc [16:32]
kakobrekla no, he is the perfect scam magnet [16:32]
kakobrekla one of the rare ones still working. [16:32]
mircea_popescu no, that it doesn't. my suspicion is, as far as i'm personally concerned, grounded mostly in the fact that you had no idea that, for instance, mpoe covered ~30k btc worth of derivative losses without "sociualising". this in 2013. [16:32]
mircea_popescu see etc. [16:32]
assbot MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:32]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what's the video proof ? [16:33]
asciilifeform btw, re: photos: typical laser cut. some even show signs of raster scan. [16:33]
nubbins` he's, uh, coming up with it in the next few days. [16:33]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron yeah im with kako, they seem to stick to him somehow. [16:33]
nubbins` the thread's there so he doesn't need to waste time making it later. [16:33]
mircea_popescu oh i see. it'd better be some sort of "leave britny alone!!!1" thing. [16:34]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have nfi what posseses someone to take a perfectly valid product and pretend it's something else. [16:35]
asciilifeform would someone like to explain why the wood art fellow insists he does not use a laser? (he has photos of lathe, chisel, etc. but those are clearly necessary to forming the basic contours prior to lasering. so no surprise. but why does he deny the use of the laser?) [16:36]
kakobrekla cause the lasers dont come out of his eyes [16:36]
thestringpuller STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile? << You're asking to put your arm into the woodchipper and we're telling you its not going to be fun if you do. [16:36]
mircea_popescu "How many times you look at it. It was clearly carve by a 40 to 60 watts co2 laser. " << i'm with him. looks just about right. [16:36]
STRML thestringpuller: Hah you're not wrong at all [16:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins` (btw, asciilifeforms been doing a ton of plastic and other matter cutting with an actual laser for cardano project, so... expert testimony) [16:37]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wut. THAT is the proof ? [16:38]
asciilifeform a little bit of laser, yes. anyone who has so much as tried a laser cutter will recognize the result in the photo. [16:38]
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mircea_popescu dude i have one of those. I used it recently to fix a door [16:38]
mircea_popescu make way for master craftisan / doorartist me. [16:39]
asciilifeform imho that thread was merely an elaborate troll. [16:39]
mircea_popescu you're too suspicious asciilifeform. most people are actually dumb. [16:39]
mircea_popescu incidentally, since doormouse exists, maybe it's time to have doorartist too ? someone using half pound chisels as proof of artisanry? [16:40]
BingoBoingo Linux needs to dump Linus girl's story [16:40]
assbot My Statement - Shanley - ... ( ) [16:40]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo always /w da dramatic scoop [16:41]
mircea_popescu "Last Thursday, I criticized the Linux community for continuing to support and center a leader with a years-long, documented history of unrepentant abusive behavior, someone who has actively and systematically nurtured a hostile, homogeneous technical community, and someone who has long actively chased people from marginalized groups out of open source." [16:41]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Seems to be an especially strong week for drama. I anticipate Moon. [16:41]
mircea_popescu this is what linus is. no name, no nothing, anon idiot gets to use his own qualifiers. [16:42]
mircea_popescu "The retaliation has been terrifying." << no, it hasn't. [16:42]
mircea_popescu not nearly terrifying enough. [16:42]
STRML mircea_popescu: Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do, I didn't realize you were behind MPEx [16:43]
STRML My partners are much more tuned into finance and the Bitcoin scene than I am, I handle the web aspects of the service [16:43]
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mircea_popescu but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer. [16:43]
BingoBoingo STRML: Who do you think put the MP in MPEx [16:43]
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mircea_popescu which is why i said "depends to what". if you come in and say "hi guise, remember that problem with the derivatives ? check out this solution i figured out!!!" [16:44]
mircea_popescu if the solution is actually good that gets you a spot. [16:44]
asciilifeform -dormouse-. hibernates, edible. [16:44]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no price signal << MP ain't opening the studio up until this is fixed [16:44]
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mircea_popescu but the usual "hey i made a company which is a website which makes claims which are either trivially falsified or not provable because reasons", well... [16:44]
mircea_popescu we get a lot of those. [16:44]
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asciilifeform glis glis [16:44]
STRML I completely understand what you're getting at [16:44]
STRML And it's of course natural not to trust newcomers [16:45]
mircea_popescu except we trust newcomers all the time. [16:45]
STRML Not much I can do about that. I can get our CEO on here at some point in the near future [16:45]
thestringpuller lol [16:45]
thestringpuller kid not listening [16:45]
mircea_popescu << most recently... coupla days ago. [16:45]
assbot Logged on 18-01-2015 21:55:19; mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred. [16:45]
mircea_popescu and there's plenty you can do about that. start with you know, the variety speak. [16:45]
undata ahoy! I'll probably have a prototype working on testnet this evening or the next [16:46]
mircea_popescu "^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round." lmao that thread's so adorable. [16:46]
kakobrekla -dormouse-. hibernates, edible. < not a big fan but their fat is traditionally used for a buncha medical stuff [16:46]
mircea_popescu undata pretty cool [16:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla buttplugs ?! [16:46]
kakobrekla hm? [16:46]
mircea_popescu buttplug lube! doormouse blubber! [16:47]
kakobrekla the fat? for skin issues and such [16:47]
mircea_popescu aha [16:47]
kakobrekla joints too i hear. [16:47]
asciilifeform iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up [16:47]
kakobrekla my grandfather still hunts em in the wild. [16:48]
mircea_popescu "You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions." << you're screwed nubbins`. you know how many times ima link to this ? do you ? DO YOU ? :D [16:48]
nubbins` haha [16:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla aren't they trapped ? actually hunted instead ?! [16:48]
BingoBoingo iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up << Basically equivalent to American fascination with chicken wings. Eat all of them before going to the Vomitorium. [16:48]
nubbins` artisan dope smoker [16:48]
nubbins` i don't think he realizes you can silkscreen on things other than t-shirts [16:49]
kakobrekla yes, should be more specific, they are trapped [16:49]
kakobrekla we still call it 'hunt' though. [16:49]
mircea_popescu fu nubbins` that's a real profession. [16:49]
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nubbins` ! [16:50]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla for a moment there i had a vision of a tiny dog pack coursing for mice over a tiny field. [16:50]
kakobrekla and hand grenades. [16:50]
mircea_popescu well, smaller ones. thumb grenades. [16:50]
mircea_popescu cherry bombs lol [16:50]
kakobrekla :) [16:50]
* BingoBoingo still wants a table salt shotgun for hunting spiders. [16:50]
asciilifeform when i lived in a flat with mice, rats, i dreamed of tiny shotguns [16:51]
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assbot Wood Collectors Bitcoin Art ... ( ) [16:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform tiny arbalest is feasible... [16:51]
nubbins` the guy with the 5 day old account says he's legit [16:51]
kakobrekla asciilifeform you mean in merrica? [16:51]
nubbins` you can tell it's legit because it's almost the same username as the guy who originally commissioned the piece, then vanished without a trace [16:51]
mircea_popescu "AND EVEN, if this pieces were carved by a laser... I would still love them and they would still be unique." win. [16:52]
mircea_popescu let's not dispute the actual facts in contention but instead spew a ton of emotional bs. that's the way! [16:52]
mats BingoBoingo: holy shit, that pastebin is terrible [16:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, in america, the flat i moved out of last may [16:53]
kakobrekla well its 17.950 for the wood, 49 shipping and 1 dorra lazering [16:53]
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nubbins` i think this is my first hate thread [16:54]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla the DESIGN is unique. except for the part where this old woman whose daughter i used to fuck on occasion had a plastic tablecloth in the same color and pattern. [16:54]
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nubbins` i'd bet it's free vector clipart [16:56]
nubbins` obv no way to prove [16:56]
mircea_popescu nubbins` it's your own fault tho, you worded it too strong. [16:56]
mircea_popescu it [16:56]
mircea_popescu a lack of taste is not really a scam [16:56]
nubbins` more a misrepresentation than anything [16:57]
nubbins` what can i say, grumpy morning 8) [16:57]
mircea_popescu but hey, it did get the lulz flowing. [16:57]
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mircea_popescu " I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before." [16:57]
nubbins` he puffs himself up so much, hey? [16:57]
mircea_popescu vanity, my favourite sin. [16:59]
fluffypony [16:59]
assbot Just a moment... ... ( ) [16:59]
fluffypony "GAW should be evaluating this SEC investigation troll to see if the conditions are right for a libel suit against the people behind it. A retainer on a case like this would be in the vicinity of $50k - $100k and costs could run to $250k - $500k by the time its done. If such a case is to proceed it will take a minimum of two years, but an injunction against any further disparagement should be sought at once." [17:00]
fluffypony lol [17:00]
mircea_popescu totally. [17:00]
BingoBoingo More Gavin drippings [17:01]
assbot GavinTech: Twenty Megabytes testing results ... ( ) [17:01]
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mod6 oh here we go [17:02]
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mircea_popescu << 503 ? [17:07]
assbot Error 503: Service Unavailable ... ( ) [17:07]
nubbins` here's an actual master carver [17:07]
nubbins` [17:07]
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nubbins` essentially a BFL dildo. [17:07]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah, hand carving mostly consists of doing "the edges" specifically because laser chased them off the flat surface. [17:08]
nubbins` yep [17:09]
mircea_popescu anwyay, that thread is exactly what one'd expect : everyone with even half a clue, all the way to smoothie saw the same thing i saw. we're not like experts or anything. [17:09]
nubbins` content to just let it fester now, with the occasional jab to keep the bees from settling too much [17:09]
mircea_popescu "This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started." sounds like the social media artisan :D [17:10]
nubbins` :D [17:10]
thestringpuller LOL Gavin [17:10]
thestringpuller HOLY FUCK [17:10]
nubbins` the bulk of my clients [17:10]
thestringpuller This graph [17:10]
nubbins` do your clients need supportive undergarments? [17:11]
thestringpuller << mircea_popescu was right about him making block size infinite [17:11]
mircea_popescu i was right ?! [17:11]
mircea_popescu that like never happens. [17:11]
thestringpuller Didn't he say to you, "No one is saying make the block size infinite" [17:11]
thestringpuller on contravex or something? [17:12]
mircea_popescu o wait, usgavin lied ?! [17:12]
mircea_popescu that like... never happens! [17:12]
thestringpuller and this graph is straight up exponent!!! [17:12]
thestringpuller I KNO RTIE [17:12]
thestringpuller USGavin is trustworthy and honest, and the hero bitcoin deserves and needs!!!!!111 [17:13]
thestringpuller who cares if he killed two kids [17:13]
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mircea_popescu whoa, dude actually butchered a chunk of berchemia to make his shotgun-cut atrocity ?! [17:14]
Apocalyptic heh I see Gavin delivered, as expected [17:14]
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mircea_popescu o look at that, from the actual expert in the field herself :) [17:16]
nubbins` aw, tyvm [17:16]
mircea_popescu nubbins` prepare to be famous. i hear you're really a woman ? [17:16]
mircea_popescu scientology much ? [17:16]
nubbins` hanbot, i indulge too infrequently ;( [17:17]
nubbins` mp does this mean pasc is a lesbo? [17:17]
hanbot no, it means she's one of your multiple personalities. and a lesbo. [17:18]
mircea_popescu it's worse than that. it means... uh... hm. [17:18]
mircea_popescu well, worse anyway. [17:18]
nubbins` oo [17:19]
nubbins` thrilling [17:19]
ben_vulpes so my bank shipped a new feature [17:21]
ben_vulpes "log into your mobile app with your face" [17:21]
nubbins` i was gonna try selling some of our bird books on the forum, but i guess i'll probably let things cool off for a bit [17:21]
mircea_popescu nubbins` maybe help the idiot kids make a proper gpg contract? that shit's a sore eye by now [17:21]
ben_vulpes i recorded a video of my face on biz_partners phone, and played it for the facial recognition shit [17:21]
ben_vulpes and it logged me in [17:21]
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nubbins` ben_vulpes heh [17:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes this is insanity ?! [17:21]
nubbins` sikyoorady [17:21]
ben_vulpes bank claims that this feature is being crammed down their throats by apple for apple pay [17:21]
mircea_popescu [17:21]
ben_vulpes naw man [17:22]
ben_vulpes this is bezzle [17:22]
mircea_popescu so anyone can now log into any politician's account ? [17:22]
nubbins` bezzle life [17:22]
ben_vulpes anyways i tried to do the responsible disclosure thing [17:22]
mircea_popescu can i spend kim assdashian's money yet ? [17:22]
nubbins` so i lost my username and password for the CRA website (canadian IRS) [17:22]
nubbins` do you know it was the most goddamn inconvenient thing in the world to get reset? [17:22]
ben_vulpes i'll give it mebbe a week and then release the video [17:22]
nubbins` i was actually impressed at how frustrating it was [17:22]
undata hilarious [17:22]
nubbins` if someone could social engineer that shit, they deserve whatever they find [17:23]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes wait. you played his phone to your phone and it took ?! [17:23]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu gets it [17:23]
mircea_popescu no fucking way [17:23]
ben_vulpes way fucking way [17:23]
thestringpuller yup [17:23]
mircea_popescu they didn't as much as put a glare cutoff in there ?! [17:23]
thestringpuller fingerprint scanners are the same thing [17:23]
thestringpuller you can literally photocopy someones finger [17:23]
thestringpuller no need to cut figners off anymore [17:23]
ben_vulpes watch me end up in jail for unauthorized access of my own accounts [17:24]
mircea_popescu i'm so fucking blown away... [17:24]
ben_vulpes bank claims its apple [17:24]
ben_vulpes apple refuses to say anything [17:24]
ben_vulpes and i can't figure out how to turn it off [17:25]
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kakobrekla lol [17:25]
mircea_popescu so wait. i have a humongous library of 2257 notices. prolly tens of k's. [17:25]
mircea_popescu does this mean i can log into all the girl's accounts now ? [17:25]
ben_vulpes notices? [17:25]
mircea_popescu pron thing, the usians came up with this idiotic law that you must make so and so footage of models. [17:26]
ben_vulpes oh yeah [17:26]
mircea_popescu unsurprisingly, it includes their mugs. unsurprisingly, anyone ever involved ended up with copies, [17:26]
ben_vulpes if their banks are using the thing [17:26]
mircea_popescu because people were so petrified they might lose a set. [17:26]
ben_vulpes as one should be... [17:26]
mircea_popescu the hard problem of back-ups for people who don't crypto. [17:26]
mircea_popescu this is beyond stupid. [17:27]
ben_vulpes OKAY IVE DISENROLLED [17:27]
undata they'll improve it by proposing chip-in-hand [17:27]
ben_vulpes chip in dick [17:27]
ben_vulpes dickterprints [17:27]
mircea_popescu i dunno how you can continue with that bank. [17:27]
ben_vulpes yeah. [17:28]
ben_vulpes well hey here's another fun thing [17:28]
mircea_popescu i mean, go rape a toddler instead. better off for society. [17:28]
thestringpuller people still use banks? [17:28]
thestringpuller my grandparents told me to put money under mattress [17:28]
thestringpuller and not trust banks [17:28]
ben_vulpes apple pay's going to try to gobble all the banks, so if my bank's truthful about it being apple's fault, i'll just end up with the same problem. [17:28]
thestringpuller so I've been doing that [17:28]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no matter. [17:28]
mircea_popescu cause, not effect. [17:28]
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mod6 thestringpuller: they were right, except they didn't figure in fed[ctrl+p] [17:29]
jurov really, 10x blocksize increase every 5 years? [17:30]
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mircea_popescu jurov no, not really. just in the parallel universe where usg matters. [17:30]
jurov in past i was arguing in favor of increasing the limit, too.. but no such madness [17:31]
Apocalyptic jurov, well reddit wants moon, I guess they got it [17:31]
mircea_popescu fork is a bad idea anyway. [17:31]
nubbins` mircea_popescu available or what? [17:32]
nubbins` it's a public service [17:32]
mircea_popescu it actually is ? [17:32]
jurov i'm surprised gavin isn't considering rule like "allow for blocksize increase if tx fees bigger than some % of coinbase" [17:33]
jurov no he must do it in stupidest way possible [17:33]
mircea_popescu jurov you realise how easy this is to game ? [17:33]
mircea_popescu miner makes a block out of tx with huge fees that he doesn't broadcast. if it goes in, it's in. if not, no loss. [17:34]
jurov what? it would be based on lots of past blocks, not only one [17:35]
mircea_popescu so ? [17:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93068 @ 0.00048435 = 45.0775 BTC [-] {3} [17:36]
jurov like difficulty.. i meant is only as illustration as opposed to diddling magic numbers [17:36]
mircea_popescu i mine 1k btc as fees. what now ? [17:36]
BingoBoingo [17:36]
assbot Verizon sprints to crush FiOS account exposure hole • The Register ... ( ) [17:36]
mircea_popescu "XDA senior software developer Randy Westergren said the FiOS API flaw since fixed allowed any account to be accessed by manipulating user identification numbers in web requests." shit sherlock. [17:37]
jurov it averages over past 10000 blocks [17:37]
jurov what would you gain? to count you'd have to publish the block anyway so that it isn't orphaned [17:38]
mircea_popescu i can do it probably ten times in 10k blocks with very little costs. [17:38]
mircea_popescu block i publish. the tx however, i don't broadcast. [17:38]
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mircea_popescu "The app hacker quietly reported the holes to Verizon which issued a fix Friday, two days after it was disclosed, and rewarded Westergren with a year's worth of free internet." << heh, bad deal. [17:38]
mircea_popescu what happened to "verizon fired its entire security staff, hired hacker to form a new team" ? [17:38]
mircea_popescu "fifty eight men join plumbing school as the notion they will ever be hired to do anything with computers is laughable" [17:39]
BingoBoingo Plumbing school admits on its own WoT [17:41]
mircea_popescu hm [17:41]
mircea_popescu i guess that leaves bagging groceries. [17:41]
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BingoBoingo I mean someone is going to have to vouch you aren't a shithead to get an apprenticeship [17:42]
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mircea_popescu "If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself." << i have personally fucked women whose time was actually that sort of money. i bought lunch. [17:44]
mircea_popescu THIS HAPPENS NUBBINS` [17:44]
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jurov mircea_popescu: you would be able to do it only every 100 blocks and since you wouldn't then use external tx fees, rather unprofitable [17:46]
mircea_popescu jurov i don't get your logic. why can't i use external tx fees ? [17:46]
mircea_popescu i can put anything i want in a block. [17:46]
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jurov to avoid then lowering the % [17:47]
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jurov *them [17:47]
mircea_popescu not clear why only once in 100, but granted that, 10 btc in fees per block on average is like what, 1mn% more than now ? [17:47]
mircea_popescu uh, you want a per tx% ? i thought you just wanted per block aggregate. [17:48]
jurov per volume [17:48]
jurov % of volume [17:48]
mircea_popescu that's even noisier you realise. [17:48]
mircea_popescu i put in a satoshi with 1k fee. [17:48]
jurov and you wouldn't be able to spend the 1k again in 100 blocks [17:48]
jurov or how much it is [17:49]
mircea_popescu 120 ? is that just for newly minted coins or fees too ? [17:49]
jurov the tx fees go together with newly minted coins afaik [17:50]
Apocalyptic well the newly minted coins and the fees are in the same output [17:50]
mircea_popescu aha yeah. ok. [17:50]
mircea_popescu still, not enough of a hobble. [17:50]
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jurov *shrug* i can see miners fixing thousands of bitcoins in attempt to raise blocksize, but how feasible scenraion it is, dunno [17:53]
jurov *scenario [17:53]
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mircea_popescu jurov make an actual model and i can show you numerically how feasible it is. or otherwise, estimatively, it'd cost about 1 btc to make the blocks any arbitrary size. [17:54]
mircea_popescu da fuck is that ?! [17:56]
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mircea_popescu incredible what a thing that forum is. [17:57]
jurov let's say blocksize is allowed to go up by 10% if > 10% of volume are tx fees in past 2016 blocks (same as difficulty) [17:58]
mircea_popescu 10% of volume ?! [17:58]
mircea_popescu hory shit, i yield. [17:58]
jurov yes, let's be conservative [17:59]
mircea_popescu well just don't make it scale down bvy the same formula [17:59]
mircea_popescu (tbh such a change is pure gunk, bitcoin will NEVER carry 10% fees, ever. period.) [18:00]
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jurov why not? [18:00]
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jurov tx fees will certainly end up higher than now, but how much? [18:02]
jurov how much % asks swift? [18:03]
mircea_popescu swift is fixed fee. [18:03]
mircea_popescu currently tx fees are in the range of 0.000000001% to 0.001%. they will increase, yes. degrees of magnitude, yes. past 1% as an average is unlikely, because alternatives will become lucrative enough. such as you know, people would stop "tipping" etc. [18:05]
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jurov hm, 1% in current situation means 5-10 BTC per day [18:12]
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jurov would stay much less than mining reward this century [18:12]
asciilifeform bigger roads.. traffic worse << impedence mismatch. see also example, 'belady's anomaly', in computing/electronics [18:13]
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mircea_popescu jurov the current situationb isn [18:14]
mircea_popescu is not the be all-end all to judge things on. [18:14]
mircea_popescu a system where 1k btc out of a 15mn currency base moves EACH DAY has exceedingly slow velocity. [18:14]
mircea_popescu as btc matures, velocity will approach more reasonable values. [18:15]
jurov i dunno if it's possible for the volume to be magnitudes more [18:15]
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mircea_popescu i would suspect once we've beheaed gavin for things to proceed apace and by 2020 or so to have a more reasonable 50 to 100k move daily, of which that 1% is then maybe 50 btc a day. [18:15]
mircea_popescu as this carries on eventuyally fees will exceed block rewards sometime that decade. [18:16]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: Interesting comparison in SimCity. So you plan roads all willy nilly. I like curves yay! Etc. anyhow. traffic starts building up cause your shit ain't planned well. [18:16]
mircea_popescu jurov not possible huh ? compare M3 to world trade figures. [18:16]
thestringpuller So you upgrade the roads [18:16]
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thestringpuller to 4 lanes instead of 2 [18:16]
thestringpuller well guess what the buildings nearby the roads upgrade too [18:16]
jurov world trade incl forex ? [18:16]
mircea_popescu jurov all trade. [18:17]
mircea_popescu all of it. everything. [18:17]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: in real life, the jams begin immediately after the road is widened. because impedence mismatch, elementary. nothing to do with the population around the road, on that timescale. [18:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform notice the very convenient "uilding Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse" just on the tail end of two decades of "we can't actually afford to build anything anymore" and as "we can't really even maintain what we got" sets in. [18:18]
mircea_popescu eerilie reminiscent of how "financial discipline" was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s [18:18]
mircea_popescu but somehow it's NOT what the us has to do, once the us turned into a cold war ghetto. [18:18]
thestringpuller ^- this is essentially simulated in older versions of sim city [18:19]
thestringpuller then you start operating on cheat codes [18:19]
thestringpuller aka QE [18:19]
thestringpuller type "FUNDS" several hundred times [18:19]
asciilifeform the traffic-obeying-impedence and other fluid dynamics laws has been known for ages. [18:19]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: yea but we don't pay our civil engineers nearly enough, or allocated enough money to design to warrant good roads in this country at least. [18:20]
danielpbarron i remember simcity on snes where you had to intentionally get taxed into negative to get the money value to wrap around to 999`999 [18:20]
asciilifeform 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills. [18:20]
mircea_popescu right. [18:20]
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mircea_popescu but somehow it's not now the case that *I* should waltz in washington and buy the monument for a few bitcents. [18:21]
mircea_popescu odd how this "experts agree" thing works. [18:21]
thestringpuller how is it odd? [18:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remember that ruin you showed me in Timis? asked 'what does it cost', and you said 'you can buy but city hall'll make you clean it' [18:22]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller the definition of an expert is, fundamentally, "one whose judgements are not based on his own circumstance". [18:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wouldn't clean it, i'd just host impalement orgies for kidnapped daughters of the "elite" doing whatever women's studies bullshit in college. [18:22]
mircea_popescu a decade or two of that should put the country on pretty decent footing. [18:23]
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mircea_popescu it did in russia, at any rate. romania idem. [18:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that -is- cleaning. [18:23]
mircea_popescu myeah, i guess so. [18:23]
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mircea_popescu check this inane shit out [18:23]
mircea_popescu "to take a closer look at the problem. In 2009, two economists—Matthew Turner of the University of Toronto and Gilles Duranton of the University of Pennsylvania—decided to compare the amount of new roads and highways built in different U.S. cities between 1980 and 2000, and the total number of miles driven in those cities over the same period. [18:24]
mircea_popescu “We found that there’s this perfect one-to-one relationship,” said Turner. [18:24]
mircea_popescu If a city had increased its road capacity by 10 percent between 1980 and 1990, then the amount of driving in that city went up by 10 percent. If the amount of roads in the same city then went up by 11 percent between 1990 and 2000, the total number of miles driven also went up by 11 percent. It’s like the two figures were moving in perfect lockstep, changing at the same exact rate." [18:24]
mircea_popescu academics in the scholarly academic topic of correlation is causation. [18:24]
asciilifeform get married, grow taller! [18:24]
mircea_popescu "when divorce occurence in a population increases by 10%, the per-capita dependent children figure goes up by 10%. when 12%, 12%. clearly, divorce causes fertility." [18:25]
mircea_popescu "it's not like we're counting fewer people as a basis or anything" [18:25]
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mircea_popescu "nothing substantial has changed anywhere else but where we want you to look. please infer" [18:26]
mircea_popescu fucking roadshow circus tricks, wtf. [18:26]
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mircea_popescu << intelligent, educated young woman doing expert work. in sheer contrast to the idiots quoted above, who suck. [18:28]
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jurov i gathered velocity of world money is somewhere around 1-2 yearly.. and yes, such velocity means 50-100k BTC/day [18:33]
ben_vulpes odd question [18:33]
ben_vulpes what's the opposite of a fixed asset? [18:33]
ben_vulpes (i suspect that when you increase road surface by 10%, road miles go up far more than that) [18:34]
jurov << opposite of this? [18:34]
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ben_vulpes pretty much, jurov [18:37]
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undata BingoBoingo: google leaning into it? [18:40]
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thestringpuller joecool: kakobrekla upgraded the bot [18:55]
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joecool thestringpuller: probably for the best, is the db still centralized to the WoT or is it a new system? [18:56]
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thestringpuller joecool: 2 wotdb's now [18:58]
thestringpuller joecool: assbot updates its own wotdb forked from nanotube 's [18:58]
thestringpuller so there are now 2 wot's [18:58]
joecool thestringpuller: ah, is there a particular reason why it was useful to fork? [18:59]
thestringpuller joecool: [19:00]
danielpbarron joecool, everyone else was doing it! [19:00]
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danielpbarron not gonna let anderpson show us up [19:01]
thestringpuller ^- that's a good one :D [19:05]
joecool thestringpuller: so does this bot support ratings as well? [19:06]
joecool that are stored separate from the original WoT db? [19:06]
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thestringpuller that's the tl;dr of it [19:10]
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mircea_popescu so wait, "you must accept MY altchain because otherwise you get a CHOICE of alt chains" ? this is the gavin pro-fork argument ? [19:13]
mircea_popescu it's funny what vanity does to people. is he actually blind to how his entire position reduces to "i wish to be relevant, damn the world" ? neat. [19:13]
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asciilifeform soon we find out whether the button given to the usg shill is actually wired to anything ? [19:23]
mircea_popescu i guess so. [19:23]
mircea_popescu hard to tell, the one thing cowards and idiots have in common is that both talk the tough talk all the way through. [19:24]
mircea_popescu only real difference being the idiots don't have sense enough to chicken out right before the jump [19:25]
hanbot commented on his blogspot lol [19:26]
mircea_popescu im not gonna blogspot. [19:32]
thestringpuller but you'll wordpress? [19:40]
thestringpuller hanbot: lemme guess "Congrats on being an idiot gavin" is you? [19:41]
mircea_popescu yeah. wordpress is at least open source shit. [19:43]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: would this be like cartoon where someone threatens to fire nuke. presses button, and out pops confetti and lil' jon yelling "YEAAA BOMBS!!!!" ??? [19:48]
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davout lesson: don't fuck with your permalinks [20:06]
mircea_popescu << just in case anyone is morbidly curious [20:07]
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mircea_popescu (yes the fan convention existed) [20:07]
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mircea_popescu (and this is the author's tit : in the good tradition that a woman must show her breasts ifshe wants to be taken seriously). [20:09]
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nubbins` but it's so oddly placed [20:09]
mircea_popescu hand carved bitch [20:09]
davout mircea_popescu: haha [20:09]
nubbins` heh [20:11]
nubbins` nah 100% laser [20:11]
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thestringpuller ;;later tell cazalla send me PM when you get a chance. [20:14]
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nubbins` crikey [20:17]
jurov << source xreference with clickable identifiers [20:18]
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jurov it will get reorganized, so far only upstream 0.5.3 for testing [20:18]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: have you seen much actual derping in public about this nisman thing? [20:19]
jurov and it's open for ad space preorders [20:20]
ben_vulpes 404, jurov [20:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me [20:21]
mircea_popescu something like, "a bunch of people who appear bussed in, and some derps organizing". ie, it looked to me like astroturf. [20:21]
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jurov ben_vulpes ahh it's the ersatz hosting [20:21]
mircea_popescu but tell you what, da got assassinated by president (there's absolutely no doubt cristina kirschener ordered it, and it was an assassinate) and... no manifestation., [20:22]
mircea_popescu nothing. [20:22]
mircea_popescu so i am satisfied that all the "manifestations" are just so much empty theatre. [20:23]
jurov was there any idea how to refer to patched releases? i need some handle under which to publish them in lxr [20:23]
mircea_popescu mod6 ^ [20:23]
ben_vulpes jurov: how about you hold off on publishing the patched set for now. [20:23]
jurov why? [20:24]
ben_vulpes do you plan to run lxr on each patch? [20:24]
ben_vulpes or to say, run an lxr instance for each successive patch? [20:25]
jurov it does support multiple versions [20:25]
ben_vulpes hm [20:25]
ben_vulpes well, nm. ignore me [20:25]
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ben_vulpes you might consider using the patch names as a handle [20:26]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what kinds of "public meetings" happen? [20:27]
mircea_popescu you familiar with this thing where a bunch of people holding signs walk or stand ? [20:28]
ben_vulpes myeah [20:28]
mircea_popescu that. [20:28]
jurov i'll return to these patches later, now i have to finally fix the s3 suffering [20:28]
ben_vulpes so they're *all* bogus? [20:28]
mircea_popescu yes, i believe so. [20:28]
ben_vulpes jurov: s3 is suffering [20:28]
ben_vulpes on whose dime? [20:28]
mircea_popescu govt can print. and does print. which is how it went bankrupt. [20:28]
mircea_popescu you can't get me to seriously think that some intricate point of policy yields 500 people holding signs in the street, [20:29]
ben_vulpes and will again indubitably [20:29]
mircea_popescu and then simple political murder, of the most shameless sort, fails to stir three dudes. [20:29]
ben_vulpes oh, this shit goes down for arcane policy points? [20:29]
mircea_popescu clearly the population is not naturally represented in this process. [20:29]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes to get a couple aweek you gotta scrape pretty thin yea ? [20:29]
ben_vulpes yeah i think i'm going to hold off on moving to argentina until the next round of food riots clear out. [20:29]
mircea_popescu i like food riots. [20:29]
mircea_popescu but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ? [20:30]
mircea_popescu i would expect a degree of magnitude more pressure as a result of this rather than that. [20:30]
ben_vulpes fear of those in power? [20:31]
mircea_popescu turns out, when a government is the terrorist, all is ok. but if individuals are the terrorists, oh noes, gotta make the press talk of nothing else for a month. [20:31]
ben_vulpes spectre of the old regime? [20:31]
mircea_popescu well... [20:31]
mircea_popescu i am personally in favour of so much individual terrorism until it is inconceivable for the slightest hint of the state doing it, [20:31]
mircea_popescu whereas individual terrorism is regarded as ordinary and perhaps welcome. [20:31]
mircea_popescu so... love food riots. if president + government get raped and impaled, all the better. [20:32]
mircea_popescu hopefully they get replaced, and the replacements get raped and impaled as well. [20:32]
mircea_popescu and may this process outlast the century. [20:33]
hanbot lol simmer down mp! [20:34]
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davout mircea_popescu: "but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?" <<< easier for the media to blame teh arabs than to blame their president i'd say [21:20]
davout but if this murder thing is that obvious, zero is indeed very low amount of protest [21:20]
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nubbins` apathy is the new concern [21:34]
mod6 davout: thx for posting. [21:34]
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nubbins` [22:02]
assbot Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( ) [22:02]
kakobrekla >the best guess from our devs is that the bid was filtered out because the highest bid was > lowest ask. [22:05]
kakobrekla hehe [22:05]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: you around? [22:16]
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mircea_popescu davout here's the story : big bombing here in the 70s, at the jewish center. dozens of victims. [22:19]
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mircea_popescu teheran was behind it. first investigation said so. presidency (same fambly since forever) tabled it. [22:21]
mircea_popescu they created a "joint comission" with iran. it didn't get anywhere. [22:21]
mircea_popescu da finally came out and said, here's how the president is linked to the whole thing. [22:21]
mircea_popescu next day, he [22:21]
mircea_popescu 's "commited suicide". [22:21]
felipelalli I made a mess here with html formatting: [22:21]
felipelalli how can I fix that? I can't delete or update it. [22:21]
assbot Gavin Andresen On Future Blockchain Security: I Dunno LOL! | ... ( ) [22:21]
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mircea_popescu "Edit: On IRC, Gavin explained he already talked to most (all?) big merchant processors and exchanges, and they were all onboard." derp. [22:25]
asciilifeform any reason to doubt that the usg exchanges and other scum are 'on board' (for what that's worth) ? [22:26]
mircea_popescu lots of reason to doubt that it's worth anything. [22:26]
mircea_popescu but yes, im sure gavin "talked" to everyone handled by the same office. [22:26]
asciilifeform the academic question of whether the abortus will die merciful death or live on as circus freak ? [22:27]
mircea_popescu this is fine, the us wants to be humiliated on this front too, let it be humiliated on this front too. [22:27]
mircea_popescu just as long as it's plainly clear what's what. [22:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the "ukrainian government" still exists right ? [22:27]
mircea_popescu nubbins` lol. [22:27]
assbot ... ( ) [22:27]
mircea_popescu win. [22:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: last i heard, not impaled yet [22:28]
mircea_popescu so if they're willing to commit to the same level, they'll get the same result. [22:28]
nubbins` [22:29]
assbot Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( ) [22:29]
nubbins` so much gold [22:30]
mircea_popescu "Every step of the way he kept me updated. " [22:30]
mircea_popescu you know, the fucking exchanges send like an email on everything now? [22:31]
nubbins` "here is some hamster nesting sprinkled on your piece" [22:31]
nubbins` "I happen to be a woodworker of 40+ years myself (yes, I really am that old) and I contacted WoodCollecter just a couple days ago to see if he was interested in buying some Ironwood, although I never looked at his work. Now i see this and my mind is completely boggled. I did not read every post here, but I can affirm the opinion of a few I saw that have said that the intricate carving in question is done with a laser. I am 100% sure about [22:31]
nubbins` it. NO doubt, case closed." [22:31]
mircea_popescu from derpyexchange subject :"mouse movement detected" [22:31]
nubbins` "You can clearly see the line by line marks left on this piece that are definitely, without a doubt, with 100% certainty left by a laser engraver exactly the same as a printer does:" [22:31]
nubbins` lados [22:31]
asciilifeform lol, what happened to scams that were at least plausible. [22:32]
mircea_popescu this one is just as plausible. all you need is to be stupid. [22:32]
asciilifeform but folks that stupid ought to be buying brooklyn bridge. [22:32]
asciilifeform or at least playing straight pyramids. [22:33]
mircea_popescu He did the BTC from memory << ok that's pretty good lol [22:33]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` at this point, expecting a "well of course SOME PARTS were done with a laser but that's not what we were talking about" pivot for the entire "you're a bad person for hurting my feelings and i'm putting together a lynch party" talk [22:36]
mircea_popescu !up beautyon [22:36]
-assbot- You voiced beautyon for 30 minutes. [22:36]
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nubbins` yuss [22:38]
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mats is concealing the laser job hard? [22:40]
mircea_popescu no. [22:40]
mats sand the damn thing? [22:40]
mircea_popescu a) do not make too tiny cuts that wouldn't have survived mechanically b) clean the fucking piece. [22:40]
mircea_popescu this is like an E for effort level attempt. [22:40]
mircea_popescu very common problem people have on the internet, the "everyone is as stupid as me / everyone's a goat the same gender and age as me" issue. [22:41]
asciilifeform this was some kind of record, no ? [22:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57273 @ 0.00047683 = 27.3095 BTC [+] {3} [22:42]
mircea_popescu hm ? [22:42]
asciilifeform for sheer idiocy of the expected chump [22:42]
mircea_popescu hard to tell, this. [22:43]
mircea_popescu it's like a diamond, depends which way the light falls. [22:43]
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asciilifeform speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped [22:45]
asciilifeform unless there is some unusually reliable record of the past concerning the object [22:46]
mircea_popescu "I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking" [22:46]
mircea_popescu he can still prove it to you, but only secretly and if oyu agree. [22:46]
asciilifeform like mr. spam! [22:46]
mircea_popescu quite. [22:46]
mircea_popescu the river shapes the rocks, right ? [22:46]
asciilifeform in BingoBoingo's words, the arse shapes the turd. [22:47]
mircea_popescu even better. [22:47]
mircea_popescu the funny thing (to me) here is, gotany idea how much of this shit floated before there was an internet ? [22:47]
mircea_popescu how many idiotic "artisans" filled each corner of england ? [22:48]
asciilifeform actually, [22:48]
asciilifeform i'm rather fond of old magazines. (mid 20th c. to late '70s, in particular.) the american ones are hilariously rich in sc4mz0r1ng [22:49]
asciilifeform of every conceivable variety. [22:49]
nubbins` nod [22:49]
nubbins` dem back-page ads [22:49]
nubbins` you have any idea how many fuckin miracles my folks didn't let me buy?! [22:49]
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asciilifeform 'improve your memory, guaranteed, with scientology therapy.' ('popular mechanics,' 1958. classified ad.) [22:50]
asciilifeform buried in ten thousand 'get rich growing turtles / sorting pigs / ... / ... - guaranteed' [22:50]
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asciilifeform [22:56]
asciilifeform ^ example [22:56]
assbot Popular Mechanics - Google Boeken ... ( ) [22:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean it deeper than that. i mean, actual quacks passing for professionals. see, since the internet there's a line being drawn : sure both gavin and wood dude pass to a certain crowd as idiots for the genuine article. but there exists a thinking crowd that sees through it. [22:57]
mircea_popescu fifty or five hundred years ago, that wasn't a crowd. it was sole individuals, and the idiots were still a crowd. [22:57]
mircea_popescu if gavin were a blacksmith, he probably would have passed for a good one. if this guy were an actual lumberjack, he'd probably have counted for a fine lumberjack. [22:57]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding that he'd have a complex story as to how earthworms cause trees to flower [22:58]
asciilifeform neh, he'd travel from town to town and proclaim that he'll fell tree with the power of farts [22:59]
mircea_popescu old men pretending to be teaching the young'uns "trigonometry" who thought pi = 3. [22:59]
asciilifeform for a small fee. [22:59]
mircea_popescu nah. [22:59]
mircea_popescu there weren't as many of these. [22:59]
mircea_popescu genders don't preserve through the eons, they bleed. the french soldier of 1800 wasn't a soldier in 1750. he was a peasant. [22:59]
asciilifeform that other kind - that was (and some would say still is!) - medicine. [22:59]
asciilifeform anyone who has read medical treatises from as little as two centuries ago, will see a place for gavin et al in that profession [23:00]
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mircea_popescu yeah i guess medicine is particularly apt. [23:00]
mircea_popescu right about at the time they tarred and feathered that asinine idiot who said they should wash hands [23:00]
mircea_popescu AS IF THEY WERENT GENTLEMEN [23:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << familiar ? [23:00]
assbot Aristotle's Masterpiece -- Introduction ... ( ) [23:00]
mircea_popescu the type of plague that destroys the medical community, that guy. [23:01]
asciilifeform a real ripper of a time! [23:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes [23:01]
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mircea_popescu "Question: Why would I go to the fucking dumpy ass trailer park called Lake Havasu when I am currently living in Carefree and 10 minutes from Scottsdale?" lol i was waiting for this. [23:04]
mircea_popescu i was thinking umm lake havasu wtf. [23:04]
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mircea_popescu One night, Charles Manners (Lord Lieutenant of Ireland) appeared in the regal box at the theatre on the same night that Peg was attending the show with her girls. Some wags in the gallery began shouting at her “Oy Peg! Who slept with you last night, Peg?” Peg gave them an imperious look, threw a dramatic glance at the Lord Lieutenant and in a scolding tone, said: “Manners, you dogs!” [23:10]
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decimation re: lake havasu < connecting to your medical deal, several people have died swimming in that lake as I recall [23:13]
assbot New reports of rare brain infections surfacing - Havasu News: News ... ( ) [23:13]
mircea_popescu odd [23:14]
decimation it lives in warm freshwater, and finds that human brains are tastey [23:14]
mats that's terrifying [23:15]
mats thanks for ruining swimming decimation [23:15]
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asciilifeform !s candiru [23:15]
assbot 0 results for 'candiru' : [23:15]
asciilifeform ^ also ruins swimming in certain spots [23:15]
decimation sometimes the lake swims in you [23:16]
undata warning to neti-pot users: same thing can happen... boil the water [23:16]
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mike_c ;;later tell BingoBoingo draft submitted [23:19]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:20]
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mircea_popescu !rated Luke-Jr [23:28]
assbot You rated user Luke-Jr on 24-Jul-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See or inquire within. [23:28]
mircea_popescu needs something under -10 [23:28]
mircea_popescu "Downsides of a hardfork are simply that all nodes who do not go along with the upgrade are left without a functioning Bitcoin node, and susceptible to fraud (double spending, etc). This means a mandatory update of every node in the wild, which could require hardware upgrades as well. Miners are not in any special position to decide a hardfork, and are at the mercy of the bitcoin users (mainly merchants and exchanges) [23:29]
mircea_popescu as far as hardforking goes." << the downside of a hardfork is that every user that buys into the gavin scam will be left without a bitcoin node. [23:29]
mircea_popescu he ~MAY~ receive a gavincoin node in exchange. maybe. [23:29]
mircea_popescu perhaps as valuable as an ethereum node, that. [23:29]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 Gavin Scamcoins @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. [23:31]
gribble Error: 'Scamcoins' is not a valid price input. [23:31]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. [23:31]
gribble Error: '@750' is not a valid price input. [23:31]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. [23:31]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book. [23:31]
mircea_popescu doh. [23:31]
mircea_popescu !up Luke-Jr [23:31]
-assbot- You voiced Luke-Jr for 30 minutes. [23:31]
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Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: no, what you describe is an attack disguised as a hardfork [23:31]
mircea_popescu exactly what this is. [23:31]
Luke-Jr a real hardfork is one where the community is in agreement on it [23:31]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: there isn't anything yet, he hasn't even proposed one [23:31]
mircea_popescu there is no "community" agreement. reddit isn;'t the community. [23:31]
mircea_popescu and what lies gavin is sprouting to an eager ear... his problem. [23:32]
Luke-Jr he's blogged about a possible proposal [23:32]
mircea_popescu i will just remind you that you actually believed the bfl scammers, and stained your own beard lieing about THAT delivery. [23:32]
Luke-Jr when he proposes it, then people can argue for/against it, and either it will gain consensus or it won't [23:32]
Luke-Jr I didn't lie. [23:32]
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mircea_popescu yeah, you did. you were promised one thing, got another thing, they told you "it's just as good, pretend like you got the original". and you did. becauser you believed them, that delivery's imminent and errything. [23:33]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: what? I said I got what i got. [23:33]
mircea_popescu same shit's happening here. gavin is lying, and you're falling for it. [23:33]
mircea_popescu mneah. [23:33]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: did you read the discussion earlier in #bitcoin-dev ? nobody is going to just go along with this as it is right now. [23:33]
mircea_popescu heh. [23:34]
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Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: Gavin wants to know what has to happen for people to agree to it - he isn't trying to force it through without consensus [23:35]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 Bitcoin Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. [23:35]
gribble Order id 21920 created. [23:35]
Luke-Jr so unless you think dogmatically blocksize must remain 1 MB forever.. tell him what needs to happen to make you comfortable with it [23:35]
mircea_popescu ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered. [23:36]
gribble Order id 21921 created. [23:36]
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mircea_popescu including the actual bitcoin foundation is the correct move there. mod6 ben_vulpes are in charge. [23:36]
Luke-Jr ? [23:37]
mircea_popescu < [23:38]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( ) [23:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00046197 = 16.1228 BTC [-] {2} [23:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla hey is there going to be a party on the log's 1mn th line ? [23:42]
Luke-Jr so is this a Bitcoin Core fork? [23:42]
mircea_popescu yes. [23:42]
undata danielpbarron: damned quick on the twitter draw [23:42]
danielpbarron :D [23:43]
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Luke-Jr is there a place I can see the code? the ML archives linked a github, but it is 404 [23:44]
mircea_popescu jurov << ppl be complaining they can't see teh code ? [23:44]
mod6 what's the link? [23:45]
Luke-Jr [23:45]
asciilifeform see the code << they haven't a copy of 'tar' ? [23:45]
mod6 Luke-Jr: not even sure where you found that link.. [23:46]
Luke-Jr I see no tar, except a build [23:46]
Luke-Jr mod6: [23:46]
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mod6 If you don't want to bother digging through the mailing list for patches, you can just dl the tarballs under "Submitted Patches" on site [23:49]
mod6 Although the rm_checkpoints one will probably be tabled before the end of the month. [23:49]
Luke-Jr I don't want patches, I want the complete code. [23:49]
Luke-Jr what are the patches even against in the first place? [23:50]
mod6 Well, that's what there is: the v0.5.3 base + patch files. [23:50]
Apocalyptic 0.5.3 afaik [23:50]
decimation Luke-Jr: how do you discern the trustworthiness of the author? [23:50]
Luke-Jr which patch contains the post-0.5.3 hardforks? [23:50]
Luke-Jr decimation: why do I care about the author? [23:50]
decimation indeed. [23:51]
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mod6 there is not anything post v0.5.3 patched in at this point. [23:51]
Luke-Jr so it doesn't even work? [23:51]
mod6 it does work [23:51]
Luke-Jr it can't, if you don't have the 0.8.1 hardfork patched in.. [23:52]
mod6 [23:53]
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kakobrekla it depend what means 'work' ? [23:54]
Luke-Jr mod6: so it's like 3000 blocks behind? [23:54]
mod6 dude, that was published on the 1st of january. [23:55]
Luke-Jr ok, so how are you getting it to work without the hardfork? [23:55]
decimation do you have a document describing what exactly changed in this hardfork? [23:56]
Luke-Jr the bdb lock limitation was removed [23:56]
undata Luke-Jr: inspect db_config.tar.gz maybe [23:58]
undata that one diddles the knobs on bdb [23:58]
Luke-Jr hmm [23:59]
Luke-Jr that *might* work [23:59]
* Luke-Jr compares with the 0.5.x backport of the hardfork [23:59]
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