Forum logs for 19 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
jurov mircea_popescu i have a hunch you may like this: [00:00]
jurov how NSA leveraged failed startups tards and the like [00:01]
mircea_popescu "I agree with his final point. We've done the technical approach. It was a good effort, but if the theorising (I'm assuming that a lot of this is theorising?) is true, we can't build our way out of this problem. We have to shut down organisations and programmes like this by bringing them to the light of day, and the only approach to that is political." [00:03]
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mircea_popescu which brings us to why we're here. [00:03]
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jurov i'd recommend it to acsiilifeform, too but no rectothermals are involved [00:05]
mircea_popescu lol [00:06]
mircea_popescu why so mean. so the guy likes his plugs warm. [00:06]
mircea_popescu The stated mission of the Youth Challenge Program is "to intervene in and reclaim the lives of at-risk youth to produce program graduates with the values, skills, education and self-discipline necessary to succeed as adults." [00:07]
mircea_popescu til/ [00:07]
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mircea_popescu The program accepts 16-18 year old male and female high school dropouts who are drug-free and not in trouble with the law. [00:07]
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jurov as i'm watching this, got very strong suspicion about doge [00:11]
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jurov anyone with me? [00:11]
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xeroblaze0 suspicion about what [00:12]
jurov just watch the orchestra video [00:13]
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CiPi [00:15]
ozbot BBC News - Big bitcoin exchange 'fixes' trading glitch [00:15]
ThickAsThieves fixed but not fixed [00:16]
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ThickAsThieves BBC i'm disappoint [00:16]
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jcpham mtgox has fixed bitcoin hoorah! [00:17]
mircea_popescu jurov [00:17]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves gotta make fiddy bux somehow. to buy al lthe memes [00:17]
ThickAsThieves [00:18]
mircea_popescu uh [00:19]
jurov mircea_popescu: yes, but i enjoy how clearly it's laid out there [00:19]
mircea_popescu i enjoy even more how little it did. [00:20]
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KRS-One Here's my recent fav [00:24]
KRS-One [00:24]
KRS-One Does Magical Tux enjoy Coffee or is it Dessert? [00:24]
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ThickAsThieves "Herbalife Ltd. reported fourth-quarter profits ... that exceeded analysts’ expectations. The results marked the 20th straight quarter the nutritional supplement maker’s profit figures have exceeded Wall Street’s estimates" ...this world... [00:34]
KRS-One that shit is still going? [00:34]
nicknock New investors born daily! [00:36]
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mircea_popescu strong 3rd world sales, no doubt. [00:53]
mircea_popescu every romanian chick that's not starving while pretending to be working in pr is starving pretending to sell hebalife, avon and whatnot. [00:54]
mircea_popescu maybe one in ten has the sense (or really, the looks) to actually do something worthwhile with her time. [00:54]
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ThickAsThieves [01:01]
ozbot Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab [01:01]
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ThickAsThieves "thecoder behind Namecoin-QT and main dev of Huntercoin has passed away suddenly, aged 27 from a stroke" [01:02]
mircea_popescu wow. [01:02]
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the20year2 As a quick FYI for RENT investors, we are persuing two individual properties currently. [01:08]
deadweasel [01:08]
deadweasel oh shit, sorry [01:08]
ozbot Our condolenses to parents of Mikhail Sindeyev | Graphics and Media Lab [01:08]
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cazalla young for a stroke esp deadly one [01:13]
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arij hello [01:22]
CiPi [01:22]
ozbot EBay, PayPal Most Successful Together, Donahoe Says: Video - Bloomberg [01:22]
arij what was that bitcoin prediction website? [01:22]
arij bit something? [01:23]
arij nvm, found it [01:23]
xeroblaze0 link [01:25]
xeroblaze0 ? [01:25]
the20year2 ANyone have any short term estimates on BTC price, like for the week? [01:26]
xeroblaze0 good luck with that [01:27]
xeroblaze0 thursday will mess everything up [01:27]
the20year2 What's thursday? [01:27]
jcpham over 9000 by then [01:28]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [05:22]
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mircea_popescu interesting nubbins` [05:23]
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mircea_popescu i dunno, i guess i must be an old arse, everyone i heard was very excited for some reason. [05:23]
mircea_popescu i guess the people that got the licenses in colorado made out ok. [05:24]
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mircea_popescu lol so paypal wants to compete with bitcoin by making... yet another webwallet. [05:25]
mircea_popescu derp. [05:25]
the20year will it take bitcoin? [05:26]
mircea_popescu course their webwallet would have an exchange built in, which by now they're probably testing and which nobody will be either to compete with or outlaw. [05:26]
KRS-One .bait [05:26]
the20year will be interesting [05:26]
mircea_popescu so i guess there goes the market for man-and-his-dreams exchanges. [05:26]
ozbot [05:26]
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BingoBoingo I don't know if Paypal can make the jump from holding nothing of value on their servers to holding numbers of extreme value. [05:33]
the20year Correct [05:34]
the20year i think it could be good for worldwide acceptance, but won't displace many [05:34]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they hold ccs [05:34]
mircea_popescu this, prior to bitcoin was the most valuable and only valuable thing to keep on a server. [05:35]
mircea_popescu anyway, they of any sense'll treat their investments in coinbase/whatever exchange as having terms of 1 year tops. [05:36]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You wrote before on the subject of stolen credentials like credit card numbers making a poor currency due to their short lifespan. [05:38]
mircea_popescu this is true. [05:38]
mircea_popescu but you are telling me that bitstamp has better ops and it security than paypal ? [05:38]
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kakobrekla i know the answer to that!! [05:40]
mircea_popescu lol i was thinking, "and after you're done telling me go tell kako" [05:40]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the greater strategic implication here is that given my lukewarm at best interest in the fiat side, [05:41]
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mircea_popescu and given the horridly ineptitude of the tech people + the horridly dishonest ineptitude of the "business" people involved in the "market" let's call it for lack of a better term of interfacing bitcoin and fiats [05:42]
mircea_popescu we are losing control over the thing. [05:42]
mircea_popescu after paypal offers transparent exchanging into and from bitcoin to anyone with a paypal account we won't even KNOW what the exchange rate is anymore. [05:42]
mircea_popescu not that we necessarily care, but it is the first actual loss in the field. [05:43]
chetty It will be whatever paypal is giving +30% (their fee) [05:44]
mircea_popescu basically what they do now, if you move usd to eur or w/e [05:44]
mircea_popescu they charge whatever they want and that's that. [05:44]
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BingoBoingo I'm leaning towards supposing all BTC/fiat interface operations come with finite lifespans. [05:46]
mircea_popescu people said this of paypal originally. [05:46]
mircea_popescu but it's been stabe for 20 years. [05:46]
kakobrekla well everything in this fuckin universe comes with a finite lifespan [05:46]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know wells fargo was originally a stagecoach company ? [05:46]
mircea_popescu cca 1800 [05:46]
kakobrekla so ? [05:47]
BingoBoingo Some things are more finite than others. [05:47]
kakobrekla depends on the amount of '=' [05:47]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [05:47]
mircea_popescu "your code does not have a large enough amount of =" [05:47]
mircea_popescu CHECK UR PRIVILEGDE! [05:48]
BingoBoingo Things like matter and form have less finitude [05:48]
nubbins` [05:51]
ozbot Medical marijuana production in Canada set for dramatic change | National Post [05:51]
asciilifeform and then THC-secreting genmod tomato is introduced, and people forget the idiot political crap. [05:54]
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nubbins` it's not so much the THC itself as it is all the other cannabinoids [05:54]
nubbins` plain ol' THC pills have been around for ages and never really gained much traction [05:54]
asciilifeform doesn't have to be an exact replica. only equally fun. and not readily visually detectable. [05:55]
nubbins` "Health Canada estimates that by 2024, the 'legal marijuana supply industry' may have annual revenues of $1.3-billion." [05:55]
nubbins` eating a tomato will never be equally as enjoyable as smoking a joint :D [05:55]
BingoBoingo Well there were K2 and the other products from Asian and pacific pharmaceutical manufacterer's after hours production [05:56]
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nubbins` “Health Canada had valid concerns” about the authorized license applications they were receiving last year, says Mr. Kennedy. Many displayed a “lack of sophistication” about the medical marijuana industry, or had a “lack of capital,” he says. The department “was concerned about the ability of new licence holders to meet demand.” [05:58]
nubbins` k2 etc is for idiots [05:58]
decimation ] [05:59]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Was... was for idiots. [05:59]
asciilifeform the point was not that diddled tomatoes in particular will replace smokable delights, but that the idiocy of prohibition could be technologically finessed [05:59]
nubbins` ah, even better then [05:59]
asciilifeform if someone saw fit to do so. [05:59]
decimation ascii did you see the maryland "cyber center" link? [06:03]
asciilifeform old news [06:04]
asciilifeform it's yet another idiot funnel for the public treasury (incl. grants) into the pockets of 'seekoority' hucksters. [06:04]
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decimation I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy [06:05]
decimation also: steve sailor makes the point that marygeewanna is 'good smoke' - need to remind people that it can start fires too: [06:06]
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decimation "Smoking tobacco is losing so it seems reasonable to ban smoking it even in your own car while driving through a brushfire zone. Smoking marijuana is winning, so it doesn't seem like the ban on smoking in Laurel Canyon applies to dope." [06:07]
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decimation It seems to me that there would be some value in having a multicast stream of blockchain updates [06:09]
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decimation it's so sad that multicast is broken for almost everyone [06:09]
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nubbins` meh. in the early days of canada's national parks, they had to put signs up reminding people not to toss lit cigarettes or tap pipe bowls onto the ground [06:09]
nubbins` the simpler explanation is "people are idiots and need explicit signage" rather than "good smoke / bad smoke" [06:09]
BingoBoingo The simpler solution is to remember to grind spent but warm cigarette butts into the dirt when traversing a tinderbox. [06:10]
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nubbins` that's not simpler at all :D [06:12]
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decimation what I don't understand is why bitcoin network code uses TCP, yet includes optimization hacks to try to improve performance. Why not manage things properly at the application layer with UDP? [06:14]
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asciilifeform decimation: neither the only nor the most egregious kludge in the ref. client. [06:15]
decimation no, but I find the overuse of TCP to be an annoyance. TCP was made by the devil to help people trick themselves [06:15]
mircea_popescu [06:16]
mircea_popescu I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy <<< unlike what other youth ? [06:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol [06:17]
ozbot O hai let me verify your identity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [06:17]
decimation alas, youth is wasted on the young [06:17]
mircea_popescu which lass ? :D [06:17]
decimation heh [06:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5621 @ 0.00086849 = 4.8818 BTC [+] [06:17]
mircea_popescu but yeah. [06:17]
mircea_popescu decimation because satoshi didn't understand udp and couldn' find any libraries. [06:18]
mircea_popescu because they mostly don't exist standalone because people in gaming need and so make them [06:19]
mircea_popescu but anyway, bored young minds with the strength of oxen wishing to create an ACTUAL altcoin are well advised to try and specify bitcoin. [06:20]
mircea_popescu by the time they're done they will have collected enough tidbits (such as this one) to actually make an alt with a chance. [06:20]
decimation yeah. The end-to-end argument ( ) was written in the early 80's and seems to have been ignored ever since [06:21]
mircea_popescu decimation in anyone's defense, nobody can know everything. [06:21]
asciilifeform classy crapware, btw, tends to speak with pure udp. [06:21]
mircea_popescu we are today right here in this chan in a much softer seat than satoshi ever was [06:21]
mircea_popescu simply because there's a collection of idiots rather than a single idiot. [06:21]
decimation this is true. I would rather have bitcoin as-is than no bitcoin [06:22]
BingoBoingo I imagine Satoshi is a lurker in this chan, never speaking, but simply logging the lols [06:22]
mircea_popescu decimation it still IS a prototype. [06:22]
mircea_popescu it's role never having been to be worth "x billionty dollars" but simply to support nurture and allow this conversation. [06:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, paul baran's work is ALSO mostly forgotten [06:23]
mircea_popescu and perhaps the larger loss. as people today interact with him like with shakespeare, out of reinterpreted reinterpretations of copies [06:23]
mircea_popescu rather than considering the actual points [06:23]
decimation oh, he did Ricochet [06:24]
BingoBoingo "Rock Glass while doing high-impact sports. Glass is a piece of technology, so use common sense. Water skiing, bull riding or cage fighting with Glass are probably not good ideas." [06:24]
mircea_popescu he did a metric ton of shit [06:24]
decimation there are still Ricochet boxes that dot the countryside in the US [06:24]
asciilifeform decimation: got at least 6 of those just on my street. [06:25]
asciilifeform they still respond to signals! i once bought a ricochet modem just to determine this. [06:25]
decimation I wonder if they still work :) [06:25]
decimation lol awesome [06:25]
asciilifeform they work - but no backhaul. [06:25]
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mircea_popescu o quit quitting is it! i see [06:26]
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asciilifeform ricochet was a classic example of a co. with a real, useful product, killed by gross mismanagement [06:26]
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asciilifeform leaving a gap of several yrs with no economical replacement [06:27]
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asciilifeform before the appearance of inexpensive/ubiquitous 'ip over cellular' [06:27]
decimation right. It seems to me that there is still space to compete in that market for bottom dollar text/email [06:28]
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asciilifeform ricochet was a true mesh network [06:28]
asciilifeform even now i can get the modems to pass garbage from one end of the town to another. [06:28]
decimation I always wondered how they would deal with constrained nodes [06:28]
BingoBoingo I remember when half of the failed grocers and restauranteurs tried to set up competing dial up ISPs [06:29]
decimation chokepoints in the graph [06:29]
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decimation I think guys like him and Vint Cerf see what the Internet has become and are sad [06:30]
decimation like idiots using stateless protocols like http to "log in" [06:30]
BingoBoingo [06:30]
ozbot A Mathematical Proof Too Long To Check - Slashdot [06:30]
asciilifeform decimation: the rot goes far deeper. [06:31]
asciilifeform decimation: see, for example: the notion of 'formats.' ( [06:31]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this is a classic example of 'proofiness' [06:32]
asciilifeform (to borrow from herr bush's 'truthiness') [06:32]
asciilifeform people who put no value on understanding. [06:32]
mircea_popescu proofines = the quality of something which isn't proven but you'd like it to be. [06:32]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course. [06:32]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I might lean towards thinking the proof is valid, but could come in at hundreds of KB if only enough Aspies were locked in an attic with some meth. [06:33]
mircea_popescu ofcourseyouwould.jpg [06:33]
decimation ugh, the worst offenders for hardware codecs are the DVSI guys [06:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I imagine Breaking Bad takes place in an Alternate universe where Erdos had to cook his own amphetamines. [06:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: the fool's fake passport: once it becomes possible to do business only with those who follow formula of 'fuck people, do business with keys,' social engineering goes mostly away. [06:35]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform or at least, social engineering as we know it. [06:36]
decimation on the other hand, you could argue that "IS-95" is a "format" and Qualcomm camps out on that with their custom crapware [06:36]
mircea_popescu social engineering as the venetians knew it "mostly went away" too. [06:36]
asciilifeform it will resolve to elaborate ruses to steal keys [06:36]
asciilifeform which is still an improvement. [06:36]
* mircea_popescu tries to remember who decimation is. who are you decimation ? [06:36]
decimation I'm some guy livin' in the US [06:36]
the20year oh my [06:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually the novel of "how will SE look in a post-key apocalypse" could be an interesting novel. [06:37]
mircea_popescu haha ok. [06:37]
asciilifeform see the immortal 'Shall Be Delivered'. [06:37]
asciilifeform (by mpoe-pr) [06:37]
mircea_popescu doesn't seem much there yet. [06:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm juggling 8 tasks, but is there a bounty on the post key apocolypse novel? [06:37]
asciilifeform [06:38]
ozbot Shall be Delivered | The Whet [06:38]
asciilifeform required reading, for anyone who gives half a damn. [06:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not particularly [06:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00492531 = 0.1478 BTC [+] {4} [06:40]
asciilifeform the author, about whom i know virtually nothing else - is a titan. [06:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Understandable. [06:40]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That author is from what I understand an expatriate Californian [06:41]
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decimation [06:41]
ozbot Codec 2 « Rowetel [06:41]
decimation this guy is a hero to the amateur radio guys - he's making is own open-source codec for low bitrate speech [06:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean of the whet ?! [06:42]
asciilifeform whoever wrote that tale [06:42]
asciilifeform if i recall, it was mpoe-pr [06:42]
mircea_popescu i am guessing you'll be meeting her. [06:43]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It was indeed [06:43]
mircea_popescu she's not really a titan, like D. [06:43]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps you've heard the infamous ' Я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин' line [06:45]
asciilifeform (deliberately ungrammatical. it is spoken by some conquered savage, in a Mayakovsky poem) [06:45]
asciilifeform ('russian i would learn, simply because, it was spoken by lenin') [06:46]
mircea_popescu paaaaartiiiiiaa leeeniiinaa [06:46]
asciilifeform haha [06:46]
decimation why not German spoken by Marx? [06:46]
mircea_popescu or hegel. [06:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00086849 = 9.0757 BTC [+] [06:47]
mircea_popescu but yes, this is the major criterion i employ to guide me linguistically. [06:47]
mircea_popescu i've not learned chinese yet mostly because i know of no noteworthy intellectual achievement in their classics. [06:47]
mircea_popescu i did learn english because shakespeare is good. [06:47]
asciilifeform point being, if that piece were written by a demented martian, i should like to learn martian. [06:47]
decimation that's what I was about to ask [06:47]
decimation they have 5,000 years of bureaucracy [06:48]
asciilifeform the chinese, as i understand, got stuck in a certain 'thermodynamic' trap [06:48]
mircea_popescu decimation it's not even the bureaucracy. i despise their 5000 years of dumbass comme-il-faut-confucianism [06:48]
asciilifeform of, you could say, insufficiently high temperature in the simulated-annealing sense. [06:48]
asciilifeform they 'color within the lines' (as pre-braindamage paul graham put it) [06:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform tell you what. they had alchemy inception cca 2nd century BC. [06:49]
mircea_popescu we have extant inscriptions enough to certify this. [06:49]
asciilifeform they had countless neat things. [06:49]
mircea_popescu by 1800 they were still dicking around. [06:49]
BingoBoingo I'm still lol'ing at decades of nutrition made soldier outgrow the chinese army's tanks [06:49]
mircea_popescu the head whore cixi rejected trains because they were TOO NOISY [06:49]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this was an actual problem in japanese metro in the '80s. [06:50]
asciilifeform the kids wouldn't fit in their parents' chairs. [06:50]
decimation There is something about the West that breeds a certain creativity that is absent in the far East [06:51]
BingoBoingo Well, I guess this makes a case for chemistry as being a somewhat acceptable surrogate for food. [06:51]
mircea_popescu yes. a derisive despising of the other. [06:51]
decimation every man for himself vs. veneration for the entire family/community? [06:52]
BingoBoingo If only the Chinese had enough inate malice, they could have been the ones to hook the English on opium [06:52]
asciilifeform rec. reading re: china: 'The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and the West', T. E. Huff [06:52]
asciilifeform dives into, (for those of us who do not know chinese) the reasons why the gadgets did not transition into what we think of as 'technology' [06:53]
mircea_popescu decimation something in that sense. i dunno that it could be readily reducible to any other form. [06:53]
asciilifeform and why their alchemists got firmly wedged in alchemy [06:53]
mircea_popescu both sets of chimps will readily ensalve the troop for their benefit [06:53]
mircea_popescu but the western chimps tend to lol at the slave troop while doing it. [06:53]
mircea_popescu this contains the seeds of improvement. [06:54]
mircea_popescu this is perhaps usable as an explanation of why the us and generallythe english world collapses today [06:54]
decimation rather than the slaves accepting the mandate of heaven [06:54]
mircea_popescu it all begun when they decided it'd be more stable if they stopped making fun of their captives. [06:54]
mircea_popescu more stable it did in fact become [06:54]
mircea_popescu who knew that sort of ossified, concrete stability is the enemy of long term survival. [06:54]
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mircea_popescu what ants knew what cracks are. [06:55]
decimation frank herbert hints at that in Dune [06:55]
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mircea_popescu i guess so yeah [06:55]
decimation somehow this ties into all voice and no exit [06:57]
asciilifeform [06:57]
decimation why didn't the 1000 BC Chinese sail to the new world and scap some Indians? [06:57]
asciilifeform 'Group Responses to Specially Skilled Individuals in a Macaca fascicularis Group'. E. Stammbach [06:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8658 @ 0.00086849 = 7.5194 BTC [+] [06:58]
mircea_popescu decimation perhaps, but that may well be misleading. hard to see [06:58]
asciilifeform the chinese visited some of our present dysfunctions rather early on. [06:58]
asciilifeform see the Zheng He voyages [06:58]
mircea_popescu (i'm not nearly that well informed in azn matters) [06:58]
asciilifeform (arguably their equivalent of 'space program') [06:58]
asciilifeform brought back animals from africa, etc. to no useful end [06:59]
asciilifeform result: fleet burned, deep sea navigation verboten - as wasteful... [06:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform because they could never sail, because they were fucktarded in the roman sense [06:59]
mircea_popescu (who also could not - ever - sail) [06:59]
mircea_popescu because who is this sea and how dares it move! [06:59]
asciilifeform sailing isn't quite enough though [07:00]
mircea_popescu it would have been enough, yes. [07:00]
decimation the Romans managed to trade with China too [07:00]
mircea_popescu may i remind you that at all points of human history the chinese hel;d the upper hand. [07:00]
mircea_popescu chinese merchants shopwing up in europe would have disrupted the hansa [07:00]
BingoBoingo When aircraft carriers are a tenth of a BTC, I might pick one up and start an ocean voyaging farm [07:00]
mircea_popescu and their ships could have easily arbitered the 100 years' war [07:00]
mircea_popescu and in general, we could have been a subcategory of their culture much like they ended up a subcategory of ours. [07:01]
decimation but it was the Euros dreaming of sailing to China, not the other way [07:01]
mircea_popescu well euros can dream. [07:01]
asciilifeform easily. but they were a bit too 'cold'. [07:01]
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mircea_popescu ;;google animaniacs ghost of magellan [07:01]
gribble Animaniacs - Ballad of Magellan - YouTube: ; Animaniacs - The Ballad of Magellan - YouTube: ; Poem: Ballad of Magellan - HolyJoe.Org: [07:01]
mircea_popescu "you'll find the east indies, you just don't know where". [07:02]
mircea_popescu some people put up better with this bs than others. [07:02]
decimation I wonder if there is the same itch in China to try to gain alludial rights, like the English moving to New England [07:03]
chetty comfortable people stay home, the miserable go adventuring [07:03]
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mircea_popescu i doubt they have the concept of allodial [07:04]
decimation yeah, the emperor or whoever has the mandate of heaven which is universal, why bother escape? [07:05]
mircea_popescu because fuck you, that's why. [07:05]
mircea_popescu i wonder how this even translates to chinese. [07:05]
BingoBoingo If only friedcat was in -assets [07:05]
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decimation heh. I doubled my money with btct and asicminer, but then I heeded the warnings of mpoe-pr and bailed [07:06]
mircea_popescu and so you got to keep it ? [07:06]
decimation for the most part, yes [07:06]
mircea_popescu gfy. [07:06]
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mircea_popescu (ie, good for you). [07:06]
BingoBoingo I think I'm going to try sealwithclubs, been about 9 months since I've been there. Maybe I can make a profit or two. [07:07]
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decimation unfortunately I lost a much bigger stash a few years ago when my hard drive died [07:07]
decimation taught me a lesson I will never forget [07:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: imaginary physical, dead tree book or cardboard box that the product somehow “is”..These are required supposedly because “it’s professional” helps the bullocks imaginary perceptions << the gold coins generated by the script all crapcoin artists seem to use. or the cardboard '90s software box drawn (identically!?) by all peddlers of winblows turdware... [07:07]
BingoBoingo decimation: That seems to be a common lesson. [07:07]
mircea_popescu indeed. [07:07]
mircea_popescu it's a fundamental function of language, this symbolism. [07:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remember 'the camel has two humps' piece? [07:08]
asciilifeform re: the abstraction-blind. [07:08]
asciilifeform they demand these curious idols. [07:08]
mircea_popescu they're "professional" which really is just a shoddy translation of "civilised", ie, part of the polity [07:08]
mircea_popescu they display this by donning the polity's fashions [07:08]
asciilifeform i think these folks literally have to see a gold coin, albeit a cartoon gold coin [07:08]
mircea_popescu it is not nearly as silly as it seems. there's a fundamental tension at work. [07:08]
asciilifeform or they can't imagine concept of 'coin' [07:08]
decimation yeah electronics have to come in a box with irrelevant art [07:08]
mircea_popescu i have a set of three articles in romanian laying the foundation for understanding this and many other bullshits. [07:09]
BingoBoingo Oh Seals now says they require 2 confirmations to credit deposits while only actually requiring one. [07:09]
mircea_popescu [07:09]
mircea_popescu [07:09]
decimation you see this phenomenon with the Old Republican goldbugs who try to understand bitcoin [07:09]
mircea_popescu [07:09]
ozbot Peri metaphyseos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:09]
ozbot Despre esente pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:09]
ozbot Cele doua atot-esente pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:09]
decimation "we need bitcoin backed with gold" etc [07:09]
mircea_popescu possibly the most imporant articles i ever published but the shit's fucking abstruse. [07:10]
asciilifeform folks with fully-decked-out brains, who can reason in abstractions, can't really picture what it's like not to [07:11]
asciilifeform except perhaps with great effort, and if you remember early childhood exceptionally well. [07:11]
mircea_popescu but you are wrong to think that the language-servants are not proceeding abstractly. [07:11]
mircea_popescu they are proceeding on a radically different sort of abstraction than the number-servants [07:11]
asciilifeform seems to me like they are actually envisioning that cartoon coin, except somehow 'made of bit' [07:12]
mircea_popescu yup. [07:12]
mircea_popescu this, you will agree, is abstraction. [07:12]
asciilifeform witness herr dimon, believing that 'surely this cartoon coin can be copied just like mp3' [07:12]
mircea_popescu im not entirely sure that's his problem there. [07:12]
mircea_popescu i don't know the guy well enough to discern da fuck he's thinking under n layers of public communication bs [07:13]
asciilifeform leaving aside the question of whether a particular mouthpiece of the headless dictatorship believes this, it is clearly intended for the consumption of folks who do (or could, with the right prod) [07:13]
mircea_popescu dimon is actually smart. [07:14]
mircea_popescu there are, you know, even in soviet russia smart people. [07:14]
asciilifeform i doubt this is a surprise to anyone [07:15]
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asciilifeform but, seeing only what can be seen in the infamous quote, it was a good show. [07:16]
mircea_popescu to me it is a perpetual surprise tbh. [07:16]
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mircea_popescu like... suppose there's a club of shitbathers, who seek out filthy stables and other animal warehouses to bathe in the crap [07:16]
asciilifeform 'even' in the russian prison there are smart folks. some, perhaps not quite smart enough to spring loose, some that stay out of habit, some that have simply not located a sufficiently fat herd of bullocks... [07:17]
mircea_popescu then you discover some of those people actually heard of merlot, and even can distinguish it from pinot. [07:17]
mircea_popescu shocking. [07:17]
decimation bitcoin teaches that the valuable part of the gold coin isn't the physical coin but merely the information it conveys [07:18]
asciilifeform was this really a shock to anyone? [07:19]
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mircea_popescu decimation are we sure this is actually true ? [07:19]
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mircea_popescu it could just as well show that the pedestrian definition of "physical" isn't really as important as we thought. [07:19]
mircea_popescu what is more "physically yours" than something nobody can take from you ? [07:20]
mircea_popescu the laws of physics are after all maffs, all of them. [07:20]
decimation in the final analysis everything can be taken from you, except your soul [07:20]
mircea_popescu are you kidding ? the soul is the first to go. [07:20]
mircea_popescu just meet a nice enough pair of legs. [07:20]
mircea_popescu or eyes or w/e. [07:21]
asciilifeform if gold could be teleported at will, and likewise stowed in an inaccessible 'never-land' by the owner, one would need no electronic cryptocoin. [07:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the absence of both of these being long regarded as a bug in the implementation of physicality. [07:21]
mircea_popescu lmao, reading those old article, a romanian joke : [07:22]
mircea_popescu guy buys a new car. friend asks him what color is it ? [07:22]
mircea_popescu "well... do you know the color of the sky just as the sun is rising ?" [07:22]
mircea_popescu "sure" [07:22]
mircea_popescu "just like that but green" [07:22]
decimation heh [07:23]
decimation I was watching Top Gear last sunday and they were driving a Dacia sedan [07:23]
decimation it's amazingly cheap for what you get [07:23]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [07:23]
mircea_popescu it is. [07:24]
ThickAsThieves;topicseen#new [07:25]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What protects the gold from malicious teleportation? [07:25]
mircea_popescu o it's back ? [07:25]
ThickAsThieves "This topic has been moved to Trashcan." [07:25]
decimation what if I teleported all the gold on Jupiter? [07:25]
mircea_popescu lol poor herbi [07:25]
decimation it seems inflationary [07:25]
BingoBoingo herbi needs so many learns [07:26]
ozbot MOVED: bitquant: Intrinsic Value and S.MPOE Market Implied EPS Growth [07:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: presumably it responds to the correct incantation only. [07:26]
asciilifeform (to follow the analogy) [07:26]
decimation and has limited range perhaps [07:26]
mircea_popescu decimation one of the advantages of au is that it being elemental, it's actually finite in any finite region of space. [07:26]
asciilifeform until people get eager enough to start throwing neutrons [07:26]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I mean we can add some crypto to gold teleportation, but at that point the gold may as well be superfluous [07:27]
ThickAsThieves thats quite a useful advantage [07:27]
decimation heh [07:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fun fact : teleportable gold would be cheaper than gold as-is currently is. [07:27]
asciilifeform (see the 'price ceiling' discussion from a few months ago) [07:27]
mircea_popescu IN SPITE of being more useful [07:27]
mircea_popescu in the strict utilitarian view of utility. [07:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how could it be otherwise? [07:27]
asciilifeform no need to pay for transport, etc [07:27]
mircea_popescu well wouldn't a car which also sucks your cock be naturally more expensive than one that doesn't ? [07:27]
mircea_popescu as it has more "intrinsic utility" or w/e ? [07:27]
asciilifeform haha [07:27]
mircea_popescu kinda shows why the entire utilitarian and monetarist stuff is nonsense with a dab of cream. [07:28]
decimation it's my understanding that sdcards are cheaper than the equivlient plain flash ships [07:28]
decimation chips [07:28]
asciilifeform this is the correct approach to explanation, btw: stuff a crowbar in the contradictions between observed reality and the extant crap [07:28]
asciilifeform and jump on it [07:28]
mircea_popescu surely. [07:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think i may prove a metastability re neutronsa [07:29]
asciilifeform probably everyone here knows about modern 9 volt battery. [07:29]
BingoBoingo Oh the solar wind dude somehow managed to get scammier [07:29]
asciilifeform (go to your cellar, find one and saw it open.) [07:29]
mircea_popescu grossly stated, "seeing how the value of gold in a finite space would be a function of other physical processes in the same finite space, [07:29]
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ThickAsThieves the one for your tongue [07:29]
asciilifeform then divide its cost by the five round cells inside. [07:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0995 = 0.2985 BTC [+] [07:29]
mircea_popescu the trade value of gold may never exceed the energetic cost of gold" [07:29]
decimation it's cheaper, I presume? [07:30]
asciilifeform palpably. [07:30]
asciilifeform at least here. [07:30]
decimation this is why I find the "oh noes, the deflation" objection to bitcoin hilarious [07:30]
decimation as MP pointed out bitcoin is inflationary for a long time [07:30]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan hey, makes two of us. [07:30]
BingoBoingo Is kakobrekla Slovenia or Slovakia, I forget. [07:31]
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decimation electronics have gone up in value & down in price for decades [07:31]
ThickAsThieves Somalia [07:31]
decimation yet people are not "waiting to buy" computers [07:31]
mircea_popescu they're all the same anyway [07:31]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: But which one. [07:31]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu hi, I've been reading your blog and thought I'd check out the chat [07:31]
mircea_popescu a hey. [07:32]
ThickAsThieves Kakobreklia would be a cool name for a place [07:32]
mircea_popescu "It is plain to see, from both sides of the issue, the troubles associated with PayPal payments. The problem SWMC would have with accepting PayPal payments is this: An investor purchases a Contract for X-GH/s using PayPal for the purchase. The mined BTC for the Contracts is paid to the investor over the following 6 months (for this example, the life of profitability of the investment.) Then, sometime between 6 to 12 mo [07:32]
mircea_popescu nths after the purchase of the Contract" [07:32]
mircea_popescu lol BingoBoingo, this guy understands things. [07:32]
mircea_popescu THAT is going to be his problem. definitely. [07:32]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves prolly spelled kakobreklja [07:32]
mircea_popescu (they spell the ligature i as a j for some god forsaken reason) [07:33]
ThickAsThieves maybe i'll even remember that [07:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well he started with two other noobs. One had sense to quit hours after my blog post. The other didn't quit until a few weeks ago. The one unfortunately stuck with the forum handle has sent me so much angry correspondence. [07:33]
mircea_popescu aw [07:34]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves think marija [07:34]
mircea_popescu like Marija Lucija Stupica [07:34]
BingoBoingo So, I've bet on slovenia to beat Sweden in Olympic hockey to multiply my bet by 20 [07:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo did you see halep making #9 wta ? [07:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I did indeed [07:35]
mircea_popescu bitch wins ima be like rich and everything. [07:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: If she matches up against WIlliam soon I'm going to make so much money and maybe kill a sportsbook. [07:36]
mircea_popescu i doubt miss williams wants to play a scrappy player from romania. [07:36]
BingoBoingo The Alma mater couldn't do it. Maybe this woman who turned tits into a rocket can. [07:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: In a tournament she may have no choice. [07:37]
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mircea_popescu true true [07:37]
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BingoBoingo The problem with boxing is the opposite thing. Where any party can veto any matchup. At least tennis forces these issues. [07:39]
mircea_popescu [07:39]
ozbot Bitcoin startups [07:39]
mircea_popescu this shit is pretty epic. [07:40]
decimation it strikes me as unlikely that random fanbois were able to actually design and build asics [07:40]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo boxing has the problem that every fight kills you a little. [07:40]
mircea_popescu tennis is free from this. if anything, every match makes you better. [07:40]
mircea_popescu decimation notice that asic production only began in earnest once the set of fanbois crossed into the 100k heads territory. [07:41]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: American handegg has the same problem as boxing. Amazing where ad revenue goes when fiat backs the ads. [07:41]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's dubiously fiat's fault, seeing how the solidus and aureus backed the same principle. [07:42]
decimation I bought one of the knc miner neptunes, thinking they would deliver. In retrospect, it was a dumb idea. Now they want to deliver me rights to their "datacenter" that will mine for me [07:44]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, I think when herbi was trying to sculpt an orderbook I pointed out that in fiat world the cheapest part is the money. Maybe this week a trailer park sells for $200, maybe next for $200,000 [07:44]
BingoBoingo I'd also like to remind nubbins' Namworld and truffles of [07:44]
mircea_popescu decimation "everyone's making roi" or how did the scammertalk go [07:44]
decimation yeah. they claim it's because they are having to delay delivery of the newer 20 nm chips [07:46]
decimation On the other hand, it's better than nothing at all, like BFL [07:46]
mircea_popescu o cause not having delivered anything else they're now delaying for better stuff to not deliver [07:47]
mircea_popescu this seems to me so familiar somehow... [07:47]
BingoBoingo decimation: BFL ships things... To Tiger Direct and newegg after their customers give up on them. [07:47]
decimation heh [07:47]
BingoBoingo I only learned of this yesterday. That BFL has a 10 GH/s miner sold through warehouse stores. [07:48]
decimation who is going to go to Sam's club to buy a bitcoin miner? [07:48]
BingoBoingo decimation: People who lack the btc to [07:49]
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mircea_popescu "In 301, one gold aureus was worth 833⅓ denarii; by 324, the same aureus was worth 4,350 denarii. In 337, after Constantine converted to the solidus, one solidus was worth 275,000 denarii and finally, by 356, one solidus was worth 4,600,000 denarii." [07:50]
mircea_popescu i wonder what one could have bought with a denarius or two back then [07:50]
mircea_popescu but say it was like a dollar, you needed 5 of them for a cup of coffee [07:50]
mircea_popescu imagine walking around with ~50mn in the shape of ten coins, weighing 1/4 pound [07:50]
BingoBoingo Moar nao can fit on a microsd card. I'd like to feel that. [07:51]
mircea_popescu but the social implications [07:51]
mircea_popescu anyone could have taken your gold coins [07:52]
mircea_popescu yet society functioned just fine. [07:52]
mircea_popescu meanwhile today, abramovich visiting some london court has nowhere to eat. [07:52]
mircea_popescu i think one major point people fail to properly consider is just how unwarrantedly equalitarian society today is. [07:52]
BingoBoingo That point is true. [07:52]
mircea_popescu and just how unsustainable that theatre is, on the face. [07:52]
decimation it's a religion [07:52]
mircea_popescu decimation yeah, the religion of "views". [07:53]
BingoBoingo It doesn't even have the history to be religion. [07:53]
greenspan_fan alternatively, it's a cool-off [07:53]
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greenspan_fan you're much less likely to get hassled as a billionaire if you pretend other people are worth as much as you by some metric [07:54]
BingoBoingo Fun would be taking a time machine back to 400AD carrying a pound of black pepper and an sks. [07:54]
greenspan_fan (just not the one you care about) [07:54]
BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: That is what your staff is for. [07:54]
mircea_popescu just the fact that someone'd even consider hassling you is indicative of serious systemic problems. [07:55]
greenspan_fan this isn't always the case though [07:55]
mircea_popescu ie, that tons of people are completely clueless as to their proper place in the world. [07:55]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you recall that "come up with what you'd take back in time" contest on trilema ? [07:55]
* BingoBoingo wants expandable ASP style batons with inbuilt electroshock devices to exist. [07:55]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No, that may be before my time. [07:56]
mircea_popescu someone came up with tin foil iirc [07:56]
mircea_popescu i imagine tin foil'd make pretty good trade goods [07:57]
greenspan_fan I mean, if the true scope of the gulf between the average and someone in the 0.001% was really appreciable, the average person has so much less to lose [07:57]
BingoBoingo In Napoleon III's court Aluminium was worth everything [07:57]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan they all have equally the same to lose : their place in the world. [07:57]
mircea_popescu this notion that anyone could be anything is kind-of strange. [07:58]
mircea_popescu all comparison predicated on it even stranger. [07:58]
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greenspan_fan true, but people have some grasp of how far the fall is for others [07:58]
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BingoBoingo If a billionaire falls 99% in the forbes standings they are still richer than Rap Genius [07:59]
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mircea_popescu cryptorush is a fine example in an endless string of fine examples as to why this nonsense is harmful to the stupid poor. [07:59]
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greenspan_fan which nonsense? that anyone can be anything? [07:59]
mircea_popescu in general, if you're too stupid to make a pan, you're much better off thinking you're too stupid to make a pan thank thinking you're smart enough to make a pan. [08:00]
mircea_popescu yes. [08:00]
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decimation Herr Yarvin has a giant meandering post on topic: [08:00]
mircea_popescu arguably society as a whole extracts more benefits from the stupid who think themselves smart than from any other venue, [08:00]
mircea_popescu but this seems hardly sustainable. [08:01]
mircea_popescu decimation [08:01]
mircea_popescu no shortage of posts on the subject methinks :D [08:01]
decimation In old Japan, it wasn't illegal to be an asshole. It wasn't even illegal to be an asshole to a samurai. But it was illegal to be an asshole to a samurai - if you weren't a samurai. See how it works? You might say the samurai were a sort of protected class. A system not at all unique to old Japan. Always and everywhere, "microaggressing" against the protected class is hazardous to your health. [08:01]
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greenspan_fan mircea_popescu: I don't understand-- why more benefits? why unsustainable? [08:02]
mircea_popescu decimation dunno how far i'd take that always and everywhere, i like say nigger and shit. [08:02]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan check the sling dope article ? [08:02]
mircea_popescu after which i'll gladly answer if you need further answering [08:02]
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asciilifeform nobody cancelled this [08:03]
asciilifeform try microaggressing against herr dimon, should you ever chance to encounter him in a lift. [08:03]
decimation well, Herr Yarvin's point is that the niggers have taken the place of the roman duke [08:03]
decimation with all the attendant rot [08:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform like what, say he is ugly and his mother dresses him funny ? [08:04]
asciilifeform yarvin also noted 'yi yi zhi yi' [08:04]
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decimation yeah there's no doubt that the elite whites in America would import any barbarian available to level their redneck enemies [08:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform srsly, construct a microagression scenario. [08:06]
mircea_popescu call him a rapist ? what ? [08:06]
decimation I suspect that merely attempting to enter the same confined room with him would be considered a 'microagression' [08:07]
mircea_popescu uh [08:07]
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mircea_popescu you're nuts, i rode in elevators with all sorts of people, what [08:08]
mircea_popescu this pokemania stuff is very recent. [08:08]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu: read it; still unsure why it's unsustainable-- 0->1 SD is always going to be about 18% [08:09]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan it's unsustainable because it creates frustration in the stupid. [08:09]
mircea_popescu frustration in the stupid can never be resolved. [08:09]
mircea_popescu thus the costs baloon to eventual doom. [08:10]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu: they move on to a new fandom (catharsis!) or get a clue; new people are attracted by the same mechanisms as the previous cohort [08:10]
mircea_popescu this in the ideal, business plan rendition of the thing (infinite hitpoints etc) [08:10]
mircea_popescu in the real retelling of the situation, they start smoking pcp and quit showing up for work. [08:11]
mircea_popescu all the problems the us faces today are strictly an attempt to somehow manage the frustration of the stupid that the unsustainable system induced. [08:11]
mircea_popescu people much poorer who lack the delusions of grandeur are actually doing just fine all over the rest 19/20ths of the world. [08:11]
chetty well these days they try to exploit the frustration [08:12]
mircea_popescu so, unsustainable budgets because of "mandatory" social spending, [08:12]
mircea_popescu unsustainable budgets because no business whatsoever, [08:12]
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mircea_popescu the country's nigh on ungovernable, and the reason is simply that the 4/5ths of the population that are the idiots believe they are not actually subhuman. [08:13]
greenspan_fan yeah, I sort of wonder how it will all play out [08:13]
mircea_popescu every dood with a ged and a history of shelf stacking thinks they're a person just as much as me. this bizarre state of affairs can only lead to fallover. [08:14]
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mircea_popescu greenspan_fan well how could it play out ? teh fifth that matters tried to voice till they got bored, now they're mostly exiting [08:14]
asciilifeform for those who somehow avoided hearing of it, a basic 'newton's laws' of the degringolade: [08:14]
mircea_popescu to use decimation's earlier terminology. [08:14]
asciilifeform strike that [08:15]
asciilifeform [08:15]
asciilifeform (the original piece, vs. the ad for the book-length elaboration) [08:15]
ozbot The Five Stages of Collapse [08:16]
decimation I like to experience the fifth stage when I play dayz [08:16]
greenspan_fan thx, read it [08:16]
mircea_popescu uh orlov deleted it from his blog ? [08:16]
asciilifeform nope [08:16]
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greenspan_fan the question is where can you exit to? [08:16]
asciilifeform it's just buried [08:16]
decimation there is no exit [08:16]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan generally, the third world or your dreams. [08:16]
asciilifeform inner emigration. works great until gasenwagen. [08:17]
mircea_popescu romans exited to gaul, byzantines exited to the arabs and northern europe etc [08:17]
asciilifeform (re dreams) [08:17]
greenspan_fan haha [08:17]
decimation perhaps it will be possible that a group of pissed off Euros will invade some reasonable turd world country and create a colony [08:17]
mircea_popescu Solzhenitsyn spent a while exiting in his head then did it properly [08:18]
decimation except they would be the mortal enemies of the entire multicult [08:18]
mircea_popescu decimation like what, argentina ? [08:18]
greenspan_fan it already happened once [08:18]
asciilifeform orlov has a pretty good 'do it now, in the open, and they'll zap you' piece [08:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i believe that to be a lie. would you say i'm not personally an example of in the open etc ? [08:18]
asciilifeform re: en masse colonies [08:19]
asciilifeform rather than individual escapees [08:19]
mircea_popescu o i thought re exits [08:19]
mircea_popescu i sitll have my doubts tho. [08:19]
decimation bitcoin seems to be a charmed matter [08:19]
asciilifeform u.s. is Elphialtes 'with an army and navy.' [08:19]
mircea_popescu the us does not have anything like the projective powers it imagines it has. [08:19]
decimation it sufficiently conflicts the interests of the bureaucrats that they cannot see the threat clearly [08:19]
greenspan_fan military bases in half the world's countries [08:19]
asciilifeform fuck, not ephialtes [08:19]
asciilifeform but the other fellow [08:19]
* asciilifeform should go to bed [08:19]
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decimation yeah me too [08:20]
greenspan_fan higher defense spending than just about every other country combined [08:20]
asciilifeform Ephialtes of Trachis [08:20]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan you know, anyone can bezzle. [08:20]
asciilifeform as seen in '300' [08:20]
greenspan_fan I think they do, but it would be politically complicated to actually deploy it. [08:20]
mircea_popescu haha where did i hear that last [08:20]
mircea_popescu wait, was it the soviets ? i think it was. [08:20]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu: yes, but if they decided to actually get their money's worth it would be spectacular [08:20]
mircea_popescu "we could do it but we don wanna!" [08:21]
mircea_popescu no, it wouldn't be. [08:21]
mircea_popescu lemme tell you a story. [08:21]
asciilifeform the lepers will not suffer an identifiable colony of the healthy to live [08:21]
decimation all of that fancy military hardware would be gone tomorrow if the dollar collapsed [08:21]
asciilifeform if they have any say about it. [08:21]
mircea_popescu an old american moves to a thai village. [08:21]
mircea_popescu he has pension payments, and the thai are poor. [08:21]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, he's a frail old man without a clue. [08:21]
mircea_popescu so he ends up "investing" : he buys a share in the local cafe [08:21]
mircea_popescu and i nthe local whorehouse [08:21]
mircea_popescu (but he still has to pay for service) [08:21]
mircea_popescu eventually he's out of money, [08:21]
mircea_popescu but he's too kindly to actually cash in on his investments that looky helped the village thrive. [08:22]
mircea_popescu if he did tho... well it'd be spectacular. [08:22]
mircea_popescu no, it wouldn't be. he'd just be stripped naked and anally raped with a pole for public amusement. [08:22]
mircea_popescu it is best for his future to stfu and kowtow. [08:22]
asciilifeform that's because he's piss-poor (in the non-monetary economy of the place, the one that actually counts) [08:23]
mircea_popescu exactly like the us. [08:23]
mircea_popescu as the entire snowden thing shows. [08:23]
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mircea_popescu somehow it wasn't a north vietnamese that leaked the homemade porn of the fucktarded "supreme leader" [08:23]
greenspan_fan but in cases of embezzlement, they're wasting capacity [08:23]
greenspan_fan a national emergency (when government and contractor interests are aligned) would actually put that capacity to use [08:24]
mircea_popescu you are very naive indeed. [08:24]
decimation such an emergency is precisely the time that the unpayable debts become due [08:25]
mircea_popescu ever heard of the an lushan rebellion ? [08:25]
greenspan_fan that's pretty obscure [08:25]
asciilifeform what soviet arms, with the possible exception of trench-diggers at tbilisi, quelled the rebellions? [08:25]
mircea_popescu ok, well, it was a major rebellion in china [08:25]
mircea_popescu it shows that in a national emergency the govt and contractor interests are not merely not alligned [08:25]
mircea_popescu but actually not allignable. [08:25]
decimation plenty of rebellions were fueled by cheap ak's though [08:26]
mircea_popescu i suppose one could take the parliamentary wars in england too [08:26]
asciilifeform decimation: don't confuse the aftermath of the romans/soviets marching home from the colonies with rebellion. [08:26]
greenspan_fan like those around 1600-1700? [08:26]
mircea_popescu a, now in THAT case the interests allign. [08:26]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan yes the stuff around charles [08:27]
asciilifeform orlov's point 'business-as-usual is a manufactured product' is a useful one [08:27]
asciilifeform once the collective hallucination pops, no amount of public beheading brings it back [08:27]
mircea_popescu moreover, finding agents to do the beheading becomes expensive [08:28]
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mircea_popescu for they well know that the enemy may or may not be inclined to buy the nurnberg defense. [08:28]
asciilifeform usually, free agents account for most of the heads, though [08:29]
mircea_popescu the beauty of "national emergencies" is that even bureaucrats suddenly become free agents [08:29]
mircea_popescu which they live subjectively as a rape by reality. [08:29]
asciilifeform chechen: 'nice house.' russian: 'it's mine. wanna buy?' chechen: 'i'll talk it over with my chums, we'll see you at 0400 hrs for a chat' next day: chechens in house, pigs eat well [08:30]
decimation for the select few like Cromwell, they can ride the wave of terror to new heights [08:30]
decimation most end up dead [08:30]
mircea_popescu decimation the reference was pre cromwell tho [08:30]
mircea_popescu rump parliament et all. charles' problems. [08:31]
mircea_popescu obviously all power vacuums create plugs, much like all drainage pipes create clogs [08:31]
mircea_popescu but we're not there yet. [08:31]
BingoBoingo Lessons in BTC business [08:31]
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decimation the Reformation is another example - once Luther revealed the lies of the church, hundreds of third parties immediatedly started to grasp for the raw power up for grabs [08:32]
greenspan_fan i'd still say that the u.s. could project more power but doesn't because the world is too complicated. Something might be a good idea tactically but terrible strategically, etc. [08:33]
mircea_popescu not sure that's the read i'd put on luteranism [08:33]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan it could project more power at the risk of having its arms broken off and used to beat it over the head. [08:33]
greenspan_fan in the event of some unifying scenario of principle actors (say, a world war) they'd be much more effective [08:33]
mircea_popescu consider the simple point of the wtc bombing. [08:33]
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mircea_popescu ten arabs turned a spot of their choosing in manhattan from bank to mosque. [08:34]
mircea_popescu at a cost to the us of about billions in direct damages, and then billions more in materiel over a war they've yet to win. [08:34]
mircea_popescu soo... for the arab side : 1.enemies looses bank ; 2. we gain mosque ; 3. we destroy some enemy wealth ; 4. enemy destroys some more of its own wealth. [08:34]
mircea_popescu seems a win win win win. [08:34]
greenspan_fan ok, we cannot take the actions of george bush as an example of great or even good strategy [08:34]
mircea_popescu we can take the historical facts as historical facts tho. [08:35]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for the folks who actually run the place, this was an epic pants-creaming victory, rather than the apparent humiliation. [08:35]
decimation george bush was a figurehead upon a bureaucracy [08:35]
mircea_popescu it wasn't bush building a mosque there. [08:35]
greenspan_fan the smarter move would've been to mourn and then move on [08:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so for the folks running the forbidden city all sorts of things were epic pants creaming victories. [08:35]
mircea_popescu up until the time when barbarians stormed in and took a piss on their kimono [08:35]
greenspan_fan asciilifeform also, it lead to the election of obama, and some of those people (depending on proximity to political center) were terrified of what he might do [08:36]
mircea_popescu anyway. obama thought he's tough tits, talked shit to putin like any random forum retard. [08:36]
mircea_popescu he got beaten into a pulp. like any forum retard. [08:37]
mircea_popescu i don't see this exceptionalism of bush you propose. [08:37]
greenspan_fan his administration made exceptionally bad choices, is all [08:37]
mircea_popescu he seems more or less average. [08:37]
mircea_popescu not worse than the current [08:37]
greenspan_fan compare w/ clinton or nixon as executives, though [08:38]
mircea_popescu arguably clinton was a lot better than the lot of them, but hey. he didn;t in the end have the balls to come out and say "i am the president. i fuck whoever i want whenever i want in whatever manner i feel like. get lost twerps" [08:38]
greenspan_fan political considerations (can't do much if other democrats can't get elected). Which is the price you pay for living in an egalitarian society. [08:39]
decimation nixon was terrible; he fathered the modern multicult [08:39]
greenspan_fan his administration was one of the most well run in recent memory [08:39]
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mircea_popescu nixon was pretty atrocious, politically speaking. [08:40]
mircea_popescu surprising you don't have reagan in there, really. [08:40]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan go into detail re: well run. use examples. [08:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that yarvin piece is absolutely fuckingly hysterically funny, because : [08:41]
mircea_popescu " I was pretty amazed that he went for it. He flat out said that he wants his film to be funded and wasn't sure if it'd be possible after all of his, and I replied that it realistically wasn't going to happen without the say-so of someone like me, and I wasn't inclined to give some producer the nod on this. " [08:41]
greenspan_fan The ones that come to mind in terms of achievements: detente, opened relations w/ china, created EPA, [08:41]
mircea_popescu the "someone like me" is some nobody on twitter, whose claim to fame was "retweeting only women" [08:41]
asciilifeform wait which? [08:42]
mircea_popescu that such terpitude even exists in the open... [08:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the bron scare one. [08:42]
asciilifeform aha [08:42]
decimation his post about Anil Dash [08:42]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan i thought we were discussing projection of power. [08:42]
mircea_popescu did the subject change ? [08:42]
mircea_popescu somehow somewhere in this world this fucktard exists, and he doth believe he meaningfully has any impact on anything whatsoever. [08:43]
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mircea_popescu this is like dr greg to the power of ten [08:43]
greenspan_fan sort of-- you asked me to qualify "well-run" re: nixon. Who I had used as an example of executive quality impacting projection of power via strategic considerations [08:43]
mircea_popescu i asked you to qualify well run strictly in the context of our discussion. [08:44]
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mircea_popescu which is how i took it you meant it. [08:44]
mircea_popescu otherwise you know... some presidents were really tall and handsome. [08:44]
greenspan_fan haha [08:44]
asciilifeform discussions like this inevitably conflate '...was an effective ruler' and 'the buttons on his throne still worked in those days.' [08:45]
mircea_popescu again reagan [08:45]
mircea_popescu lol [08:45]
greenspan_fan I wanted to avoid vietnam and associated regions because that's a debate quagmire [08:45]
mircea_popescu only debatable in the sense of debatably useful for your side in this discussion [08:45]
mircea_popescu otherwise it easily sums up to "example of the us failing to project its claimed power" [08:45]
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greenspan_fan but clearly, being able to get china/su to come to the table entails some projection of power, no? [08:46]
mircea_popescu no. [08:46]
asciilifeform the buttons are a little dodgy nowadays. some clogged with spoodge, some connected to winblows '98 boxen, others miswired. [08:46]
mircea_popescu any woman can get men to come to her table, [08:46]
mircea_popescu all she needs is to lift the tail. [08:46]
greenspan_fan but for nixon it wasn't from a position of supplication [08:46]
mircea_popescu nor was it from its opposite. [08:47]
mircea_popescu nixon in china is nothing like breznev in china. [08:47]
decimation you should read what Chiang Kai-Shek thought of Nixon [08:47]
greenspan_fan so for the us to successfully projected power, it would have to treat china like panama? [08:47]
mircea_popescu that would be what you're proposing, n'est pas ? that it could do such a thing, "if need be" [08:48]
greenspan_fan chiang kai shek was a miserable bastard who was mad at the us because they got shafted after wwii and korea [08:48]
decimation lol [08:48]
mircea_popescu uh [08:48]
mircea_popescu wait, nixon wasn't a miserable bastard ? [08:49]
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mircea_popescu or brejnev or who exactly. [08:49]
decimation read some history dude [08:49]
greenspan_fan on my bookshelf, but haven't read it [08:49]
decimation the us abandoned china to Stalin and Mao [08:49]
mircea_popescu eh [08:49]
decimation because FDR loved him some commies, more or less [08:49]
mircea_popescu jackshit they could have done, cmon. [08:49]
greenspan_fan no, it was truman's/eisenhower's decision [08:50]
decimation fdr's lackeys [08:50]
mircea_popescu it was plato's decision just as well heh. [08:50]
greenspan_fan post wwii, macarthur planned to open the korean theatre to include china as well [08:50]
mircea_popescu "i decide not to fly to mars" [08:50]
greenspan_fan he and chiang conspired to attack on two fronts [08:51]
asciilifeform decimation: problem with herry moldy & co. is that the west refrained from 'dulles plan' (rearm the jerries and play a rematch in '45) because they knew they'd have their balls handed to them [08:51]
greenspan_fan the joint chiefs advised against it so it ended up not happening [08:51]
asciilifeform and not because of the u.s admins being traitors in disguise [08:51]
greenspan_fan true [08:51]
decimation My objection is to FDR's "europoe first" strategy [08:51]
mircea_popescu decimation because why ? [08:52]
greenspan_fan why? [08:52]
asciilifeform not enought nukes on the shelf at that point to make a meaningful difference [08:52]
mircea_popescu without that the us story would have ended in the 60s rather than 50 years later. [08:52]
decimation if china were secured, hitler would have been worn down [08:52]
mircea_popescu >.< [08:52]
decimation by internal squabble and bureaucracy [08:52]
mircea_popescu you have any idea what "china" cca 1945 means ? [08:52]
decimation right, it's basically a massive number of peasents [08:53]
mircea_popescu the only factory produced chewing gum. [08:53]
decimation eh, fuck it you're right [08:53]
greenspan_fan not really sure if that was winnable, and also, germany constituted a much greater threat [08:53]
decimation even 1942 US would have been able to marshal them to do anything useful [08:53]
mircea_popescu germany left alone to overrun england'd have been a royal fucking pain. [08:53]
decimation "would not have been" [08:53]
decimation ascii, do you believe in Moldbug's "Hitler invaded Russia in self defense idea"? [08:54]
decimation it seems a pretty big stretch [08:54]
asciilifeform lifted from Rezun [08:55]
decimation yeah [08:55]
mircea_popescu it does seem the sort of nonsense he publishes for the sake of being interesting to chicks. [08:55]
asciilifeform whose writings on subjects he was personally connected with (gru, spetznaz) were interesting and plausible, the other stuff, not so much. [08:56]
decimation it seems that there would be a pile of nazi intelligence or something that would substantiate the claim [08:56]
decimation I've no doubt that Stalin had the motive and opportunity [08:56]
mircea_popescu "You know, Goog, once you start lying, there's really no end to it. For one thing, even if your enemies ignore lying, defensive evasion, and other telltale "beta" behaviors, they still own you." <<< whoa. [08:56]
mircea_popescu so yarvin delivers. there, greenspan_fan is a short and sweet explanation of the concept. [08:57]
mircea_popescu whether its enemies actually bother to call the us on its gargle or not... they still own it. [08:57]
mircea_popescu and pretty much everyone knows. [08:57]
decimation yeah exactly. 1942 US would not have been alpha enough to marshal the oriental hordes into invading moscow [08:57]
BingoBoingo The story of CoinBase [08:57]
mircea_popescu decimation average han guy marching ~1700 days on foot to reach moscow ?! [08:57]
asciilifeform the whole notion of applying concepts from 'human' civvie life, with various connotations, like 'self defence', to the doings of empires, is fundamentally disingenuous. [08:58]
mircea_popescu not for a thousand houris. [08:58]
decimation one laughs at the thought [08:58]
mircea_popescu decimation in one of the countless retellings of the entire nazi thing (a woman in berlin) [08:59]
mircea_popescu a russian officer makes the point that most of the russian soldiers didn't even know wtf germany is [08:59]
mircea_popescu before it had to fucking invade. and they likely wouldn't have cared to find out. [08:59]
decimation it's true. the invasion creates a Schelling point [09:00]
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mircea_popescu hitler was, if my otherwise uninformed opinion interests, simply caught in a battle with his own demons. [09:01]
mircea_popescu the old plans (from ww2) called for germany to sweep west into france and then east to russia [09:01]
mircea_popescu this for very good reasons having to do with mobilization times. [09:01]
mircea_popescu hitler had an inferiority complex to the "old regime" [09:01]
decimation his betters? [09:01]
mircea_popescu and never was fully confident in his actually much smarter military advisers. [09:01]
mircea_popescu so he just tried to do what the pops did. [09:02]
mircea_popescu the old plans (from ww1) i mean [09:02]
mircea_popescu of course the great germany of ww1 fielded as many people as russia did, [09:02]
mircea_popescu and about 2x as many as france. [09:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There is a huge gulf between an Officer and a Soldier though. [09:02]
mircea_popescu well, corporal as the case may be. [09:03]
asciilifeform everyone here read 'hitler's table talk' ? [09:03]
mircea_popescu i have not. [09:03]
decimation ?? [09:03]
asciilifeform recommended. [09:03]
mircea_popescu how the fuck am i going to read anything, im stuck here with you guise, [09:03]
mircea_popescu reading all the words [09:03]
asciilifeform haha [09:03]
decimation hehe yeah [09:03]
decimation speaking of which I must sleep or my mind will be useless [09:04]
mircea_popescu nn [09:04]
greenspan_fan cya [09:04]
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BingoBoingo Officer vs Soldier is Usagi versus Usagi's self image. [09:06]
greenspan_fan hey, I was wondering: is there anyone keeping track of mt. gox's inflows/outflows? or are those too hard to identify/untangle? [09:07]
mircea_popescu the thinking is that you're more likely to misinform than inform trying to do that. [09:10]
greenspan_fan I am assuming it's hugely profitable for those who have been keeping track [09:10]
mircea_popescu how you figure ? [09:11]
greenspan_fan it should be near zero or near the other exchanges, if enough people knew if it was (in)solvent, right? [09:11]
mircea_popescu so if mtgox recycles its deposits to its own addresses fifty times it now has paid out 50x its actual capital ? [09:12]
greenspan_fan the fact that it isn't (and assuming it's possible to trade in any volume) means that you'd be selling/buying from people who clearly don't know as much as you do [09:13]
greenspan_fan no, I mean, if you're able to buy from them and subsequently transfer from them [09:13]
greenspan_fan or alternatively, sell your account/wallet to someone else who thinks they're solvent [09:13]
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Vexual or have another milkshake and stay rotund [09:14]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan [09:14]
mircea_popescu and of course [09:15]
greenspan_fan my personal belief is that they're fucked, but it'd be profitable to know one way or the other [09:16]
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Vexual thats prolly exactly what they're thinking greenspan_fan [09:17]
greenspan_fan haha [09:17]
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Vexual i wonder if they even know how much they double spent [09:25]
greenspan_fan here's all you need to know, haha : [09:26]
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BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: There is a lot to learn from Vexual [09:26]
greenspan_fan sorry, wasn't trying to be rude [09:26]
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benkay anything interesting happen today BingoBoingo? [09:28]
greenspan_fan my impression was that they're past the point of being a functioning business since they're not bothering to update/answer customers, and one of the public facing parts of their business (twitter) hasn't been updated and what is there is embarrassing, since, like a month ago [09:28]
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BingoBoingo benkay: Just fucking with the car again [09:29]
greenspan_fan so the heuristic judgement suggests a significant amount of double spending [09:29]
BingoBoingo Fucking check engine light [09:29]
greenspan_fan slash double withdrawals, w/e [09:29]
BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: I suspect more just Mark has a touch of downs and imagines he can hug away his scams [09:29]
benkay where's my berkely auto distribution [09:29]
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Vexual hook it up to some interior disco leds BingoBoingo [09:33]
Vexual fixed! [09:33]
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greenspan_fan BingoBoingo his repeated lack of response to those protesters is not a good sign either [09:33]
BingoBoingo Vexual: The way the car is now, I might give myself epilipsy trying that. [09:36]
BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: Protesters are worthless unless they go as far as Ukraine. [09:37]
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greenspan_fan BingoBoingo but you'd think that after the fifth encounter he might have something to say? [09:38]
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BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: People have things to say. Scammers though prefer to say less. [09:39]
greenspan_fan exactly [09:39]
BingoBoingo From Mr. Ponzi to Mr. Karpales [09:40]
BingoBoingo Oh, how did this n00b post to a locked thread? [09:41]
BingoBoingo [09:41]
Vexual coz disco lights [09:41]
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mircea_popescu [09:49]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @nntaleb Hey, I wanna give ... [09:49]
mircea_popescu taleb doesn't want bitcoins too ;/ [09:49]
Vexual whos that guy? [09:49]
mircea_popescu he invented swans. [09:50]
Vexual he looks like a fuckwit [09:50]
mircea_popescu he's possibly the only smart guy on twitter. [09:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Do you need someone to talk to 'Muricans? [09:51]
Vexual i could be wrong [09:51]
mircea_popescu that all depends. [09:51]
greenspan_fan did you read antifragile? [09:51]
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greenspan_fan it was really bad in comparison to tbs and fbr [09:52]
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davout hi assets [09:53]
mircea_popescu heya [09:54]
davout don't give dem coins away [09:54]
davout it usually goes that way in my experience [09:54]
davout "umm, well thanks" [09:54]
Vexual davout votes 4 [09:54]
davout two years later, when price did x100 [09:55]
davout "oh hey, remmember this bitcoin you gave me? lost it" [09:55]
davout and variations thereof [09:56]
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davout also do enjoy some of my new blog for brekko : [09:56]
mircea_popescu davout i wouldn't particularly mind having this to hold over taleb. [09:57]
mircea_popescu especially because of all the shit he's written. [09:57]
davout makes sense [09:57]
mircea_popescu omfg that is bad. [09:58]
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davout "and these words convinced me to blog-pukku" [10:00]
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mircea_popescu davout which you mean ? [10:00]
davout blog-seppuku [10:01]
mircea_popescu uh what's that mean ? [10:01]
davout if the first comment i get about it is "omfg that is bad." :-) [10:01]
mircea_popescu dun tell me you deleted it, i just linked it from twitter [10:01]
mircea_popescu well, the thing you discuss is bad. [10:01]
mircea_popescu the blog post is fine [10:01]
davout ah thank you! [10:02]
davout it kinda looks like the store-your-porn kind of security device, not the store-your-bitcoin-wallet [10:03]
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B007 haha I have an address [10:05]
B007 10 000 of them [10:05]
mircea_popescu B007 yeah but you don't have the name. [10:06]
mircea_popescu funny how nature works. [10:06]
B007 mmhmm [10:06]
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B007 well im in cs so [10:06]
B007 maybe someday [10:07]
B007 after school [10:07]
mircea_popescu indeed so. [10:07]
B007 And I met this pentester that works at hp [10:09]
B007 kinda interesting [10:09]
B007 he makes 100 000 + a year [10:09]
B007 this guy [10:11]
greenspan_fan isn't that kinda low? [10:12]
greenspan_fan or 100000+ from bounties alone? [10:12]
BingoBoingo Bar Rescue might be the second best education in BTC business [10:13]
B007 greenspan_fan: I mean I don't know exactly how much he makes [10:13]
B007 I was told around 100 000 so [10:14]
mircea_popescu so oprah rich. [10:14]
B007 lol [10:15]
greenspan_fan someday, once my dogecoin mining rig comes in [10:15]
B007 lol [10:15]
BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: That day you will ency BFL customers or what? [10:15]
greenspan_fan haha, who do you think I ordered from? [10:16]
mircea_popescu bfl makes doge coin miners ? [10:16]
greenspan_fan it cost a lot, but you have to spend dr. phil money to become oprah rich [10:16]
greenspan_fan it's a joke [10:16]
mircea_popescu well. "makes". [10:16]
greenspan_fan a friend of mine ordered a miner from them and now uses it mainly as a space heater [10:17]
greenspan_fan so probably a bad investment [10:18]
B007 coinbase is surprisingly stable. been around 600 usd / 1 btc forever. artificial? [10:19]
BingoBoingo B007: Can it be anything else? [10:20]
greenspan_fan looking on their website, their charts stop in december: [10:22]
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Vexual nubbins' might get you some good organic bitcoins [10:28]
Vexual mircea_popescu, it stikes me that the collected works of this taleb fellow might cost less to buy than 1bc, have you tried his publisher(s)? [10:31]
mircea_popescu i am not interested in a) enriching foreign third parties or b) participating in relationships of any kind on any other structure than as designed by me. [10:32]
Vexual you could ask that they are sent in a carbon nuetral fashion and all [10:32]
mircea_popescu so no, the bitcoin only exists if he does what i say. [10:32]
Vexual lol [10:32]
Vexual but talking to the phone girls at publishing houses is so much fun [10:34]
mircea_popescu so talk to em. [10:34]
mircea_popescu jesus god, yarvin actually argues that the us invented communism ? [10:35]
Vexual they may have repurposed the word [10:35]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation thanks for that link, i lold. [10:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:35]
mircea_popescu this would be a fine example of why i hold the guy for a complete ignoramus. [10:35]
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greenspan_fan the problem w/ offering to send people bitcoin is that the people who are doing it lately have like 0.001 btc to their name [10:36]
mircea_popescu the reality on the field is that france invented communism, and everyone tried to copy france to some degree. [10:36]
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mircea_popescu to spin this into some sort of story of our pathetic colonies being relevant, let alone central... [10:36]
mircea_popescu heh. [10:36]
mircea_popescu it takes a lot of acid. [10:36]
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Vexual not really an argument [10:37]
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Vexual communism might be one of those thing that one has to experience to fully understand [10:43]
greenspan_fan absolutely it is [10:43]
B007 the commies are coming! hide under a desk [10:43]
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greenspan_fan it just doesn't seem like enough to point out how it goes the same way every time [10:45]
Vexual i expect dreadlocked hippies living in a squat isn't the same [10:45]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan infinite hitpoints. the evisceration of each individual head of cattle is its own, private and special event. [10:45]
greenspan_fan Partly, you have to be restricted from opting out [10:46]
mircea_popescu it only goes the same way if you're not yourself a cow. [10:46]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu I don't really get the "infinite hitpoints" thing [10:46]
mircea_popescu seen ? [10:46]
greenspan_fan thx, brb [10:47]
BingoBoingo Seriously like no other 42 minutes of video says 'Murica like this [10:47]
CiPi [10:47]
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Vexual mirce do you think communism as it was in romania allowed more opportunities for people to be successful? [10:48]
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mircea_popescu nope. [10:48]
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mircea_popescu communism is like cancer : at the very most it allows the fucked to appreciate how great it'd have been if they weren't so fucked. [10:49]
greenspan_fan on one hand, there are the people who just don't learn from experience [10:50]
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greenspan_fan but there's also the people who don't respond to any sort of abstract counterargument [10:50]
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greenspan_fan communism seems to attract the intersection of both groups [10:52]
mircea_popescu communism doesn't attract anyone really. [10:52]
mircea_popescu it's just the shithole in which the stupid fall. [10:52]
mircea_popescu i guess technically that may count as some sort of an attraction. [10:52]
mircea_popescu but no one goes there willingly. one is a communist that is too stupid, too lazy, or too stupid and lazy to be anything else. [10:53]
greenspan_fan low energy state [10:53]
greenspan_fan not a ground state, though [10:53]
mircea_popescu a jesuit, a pedophile, a wrestling fan, whatever. [10:53]
greenspan_fan Alternatively, you have people with great intelligence who support it because it's theoretically interesting, or controversial, or perhaps out of masochism [10:55]
greenspan_fan cf. zizek, who I can't really slot into one of the above groups [10:56]
mircea_popescu no, simply your categorisation of these people is flawed. [10:56]
Vexual they want everyman to have the same power or something [10:56]
BingoBoingo Zizek is a wrestling fan [10:56]
greenspan_fan vis. crediting them with intelligence? or describing why they might be interested? [10:56]
mircea_popescu either they are in fact intelligent but it has nothing to do with the shameful stupidity of communism, much like beethoven probably farted but this isn;t normally mentioned [10:56]
mircea_popescu or else they just weren't intelligent. at all. [10:56]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo how very aspirational of him. [10:57]
greenspan_fan marx was intelligent, but defined communism [10:57]
mircea_popescu you familiar with saul lieberman ? [10:58]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I just going off of what I see. Zizek dislike the communism he grew up with, but instead prefered the still stupider communism advanced by Hulkamania [10:58]
greenspan_fan no, but I'll look it up [10:58]
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BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: Are you familiar with Transnistria? [10:58]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan "it is forbidden to have a course in nonsense. But the history of nonsense, that is scholarship." [10:58]
B007 who is that quote by [10:59]
mircea_popescu B007 i just said lol. [10:59]
Vexual its new [10:59]
greenspan_fan BingoBoingo no, but I'll look it up [10:59]
mircea_popescu the quote was re kabbalah, of course, but it makes little difference. [10:59]
mircea_popescu lol poor guy will end up making wikipedia not load again. [11:00]
B007 I sure will [11:00]
greenspan_fan it's a good quote [11:00]
mircea_popescu it makes the point. marx studying idiocy is marx studying idiocy. [11:00]
mircea_popescu some bovine being a communist is not marx, but some bovine. [11:00]
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greenspan_fan but he genuinely believed it was the ideal system of the world [11:01]
mircea_popescu and quod licet marxi non licet bovi. [11:01]
mircea_popescu this you know because how. [11:01]
Vexual and your freind with the offer of 1bc? [11:01]
mircea_popescu Vexual taleb ? what of him ? [11:01]
greenspan_fan cf. communist manifesto [11:01]
Vexual this is my question, its very open ended as usual [11:02]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan theoreticians often get overexcited which makes them be stupid. [11:02]
mircea_popescu i'm not throwing out heidegger or husserl or hegel on the grounds of being involved in communism [11:02]
mircea_popescu nor eliade or whoever else. [11:02]
mircea_popescu (the proposed difference between fascism, national socialism, soviet socialism, communism, etc so forth is purely imaginary) [11:03]
greenspan_fan which is what I alluded to when I said one of the reasons smart people espouse communism is for theoretical interest [11:03]
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mircea_popescu yeah but what is excusable in the 1800s back when nobody could or did read and so you were able to count on a certain audience [11:04]
BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: Transnistria is the last surviving Soviet Socialist Republic [11:04]
mircea_popescu is not excusable in 2000s, when everyone THINKS they can read. [11:04]
greenspan_fan BingoBoingo "surviving" [11:04]
Vexual i think i can't , and dont [11:05]
greenspan_fan yet you see people who still claim to be "communist" and aren't easily dismissed [11:06]
Vexual i can save two hours ignoring a book by not picking it up [11:06]
mircea_popescu i have seen no such thing to date. [11:06]
greenspan_fan it's one of those things you have to experience in order to discover that no, it won't be different this time [11:06]
mircea_popescu you mean persuaded rather than dismissed ? [11:07]
Vexual you can buy into a commune in nimbin for about 150k [11:07]
greenspan_fan "dismissed as idiots/not capable of understanding" [11:08]
greenspan_fan ever heard the song "Holiday in Cambodia"? It's kinda apropos [11:08]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan i think i must be missing something. [11:09]
mircea_popescu rather banal punk, classical themes (fakers, real world, bla bla), what of it ? [11:09]
Vexual is he saying marx was chasing his tail? [11:10]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu the lyrics are addressed to the stereotypical college leftist [11:10]
mircea_popescu right. [11:10]
greenspan_fan suggesting a holiday in cambodia (under the pol pot regime), because something short of actually being in a communist country is unlikely to make an impact [11:11]
greenspan_fan hey, did you write/translate the poem in "The Letter Third"? [11:12]
mircea_popescu since we're doing this, you ever saw One, Two, Three ? [11:12]
greenspan_fan no, but I'll look it up [11:12]
mircea_popescu you should check it out. cagney in west berlin, fixing up the slutty daughter of his us boss with a local nutty kid. [11:13]
mircea_popescu commie kid. [11:13]
mircea_popescu and no, the original is a classical romanian poem, for which asciilifeform ferreted out the old soviet translations. [11:14]
mircea_popescu i did write the translation ad hoc. [11:14]
mircea_popescu (it's rather loose) [11:14]
greenspan_fan It was clever. Not what you expect on a blog. [11:18]
BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: That's why MP can charge [11:19]
greenspan_fan so I may have to find some of my usb keys to actually subscribe, rather than pirating [11:19]
greenspan_fan The line about facing the "same one doom" in was excellent as well [11:19]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan what are you talking about, not on a blog. [11:20]
mircea_popescu where else ?! [11:20]
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greenspan_fan normally, blogs have a really poor signal-noise ratio, you know? [11:22]
mircea_popescu but this is merely a side effect of them having the absolute monopoly on all peaks of human production. [11:22]
mircea_popescu the same was true on broadway, back when broadway still mattered : huge noise to signal ratio. [11:22]
greenspan_fan which is not to say that they don't have interesting/worthwhile things in them [11:22]
mircea_popescu not much of any value or import can be found outside of a blog these days, nor will be for a while. [11:23]
* Vexual scoffs [11:23]
greenspan_fan but putting an idea in its best terms is hard, and blogs are somewhat low effort [11:23]
BingoBoingo greenspan_fan: I'm guessing you are 'Murican [11:23]
greenspan_fan BingoBoingo Canadian [11:24]
mircea_popescu low effort as compared to what ? [11:24]
greenspan_fan low effort in the sense that you can tell posts are first/second drafts [11:25]
greenspan_fan there's not an incentive to perfection [11:25]
Vexual theres an irc man [11:25]
greenspan_fan and in particular, the image of everything great ever written starting as a blank page was perfect [11:26]
mircea_popescu so how many drafts does trilema average ? [11:26]
greenspan_fan idk, but it's actually enjoyable/interesting to read [11:26]
greenspan_fan rather than having to go through tediously to find what's worthwhile [11:27]
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mircea_popescu so guess ? [11:27]
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greenspan_fan I can't really tell, since you're not a native english speaker, but I'd say "one draft" because you're baiting me. [11:29]
Vexual mano you said you could see how many edits it had [11:29]
mircea_popescu indeed. [11:29]
Vexual i'll guess one billionty [11:30]
greenspan_fan Well, one purpose of multiple drafts is to capture the best version of what you're trying to say [11:30]
mircea_popescu i never draft. i publish then i have editors edit my shit. maybe once in a blue moon i decide midway that what i'm writing is stupid and drop it altogether. [11:31]
greenspan_fan but if the ideas are themselves good, the product tends to be good. [11:32]
mircea_popescu either that or satan. [11:32]
greenspan_fan yeah, I wasted my deal w/ the lower power on violin playing skills [11:33]
Vexual oh play for us [11:33]
mircea_popescu lol srsly. [11:33]
mircea_popescu you play the violin ? [11:33]
Vexual i do love a fiddle [11:33]
Vexual what do you play? [11:34]
greenspan_fan not well; it's a reference to niccolo paganini who was reported to cause riots and fainting spells at his concerts [11:34]
mircea_popescu the pedestrian explanation, of course, being that he had a much softer crowd to work with. [11:36]
greenspan_fan he was the original musician (I believe) whose reputation had faust superimposed over it [11:36]
greenspan_fan yeah, I went to see joshua bell and I barely rioted at all [11:36]
Vexual [11:37]
ozbot Beethoven Notturno in D for Viola ,Piano op.42 mov.1 - YouTube [11:37]
mircea_popescu you know of his subway experiment ? [11:37]
cazalla that idea to charge, did you get that from NYT or some other news site? [11:37]
greenspan_fan yes [11:37]
mircea_popescu i GAVE IT to the nyt. [11:38]
mircea_popescu i was absolutely the first to charge. [11:38]
cazalla i hooked a big one [11:38]
Vexual hey, i do the trolling here cazalla [11:38]
greenspan_fan people need to be told what's worth money [11:38]
mircea_popescu that was an article on the occasion [11:39]
ozbot Hello NYT - Goodbye NYT pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [11:39]
mircea_popescu (ie, the nyt system is quite pathetic) [11:39]
mircea_popescu "Cred ca asta ar trebui sa-mi scriu pe cartea de vizita : eu sunt un tip care-a conceput asa, de unul singur, un sistem mai eficient decit chestia implementata de New York Times, sase opt luni mai tirziu." [11:40]
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mircea_popescu "i suppose this is what should be on my business card : i'm the guy who came up on his own with a better system than what the nyt came up with, six i mean eight months later" [11:40]
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Vexual the content is often chewier [11:44]
greenspan_fan isn't theirs worse, though? I can get the news from anywhere, but to read your site I have to use proxies or wait [11:44]
mircea_popescu it was a purely technical discussion. [11:45]
mircea_popescu theirs does not in fact work as implemented, like a lawn mower that doesn't cut, you just follow after it with clippers. [11:45]
greenspan_fan it's more intended for the severely computer illiterate [11:46]
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mircea_popescu right. kind-of a poor excuse. [11:46]
greenspan_fan I think chrome's incognito mode lets you read any nyt article you want [11:47]
Vexual no ensuring the mower blades are firmly attached can be detrimental to observers health [11:47]
mircea_popescu so basically moldbug's september 2009 write-up on communism and whatnot is chiefly notable for his very good points on charity vs w/e, "callous altruism". [11:47]
mircea_popescu which happens to be a re-write of [11:48]
mircea_popescu which actually came to be because of a discussion with asciilifeform [11:48]
mircea_popescu so i guess the circle is complete, don't recomend yarvin to me, recomend trilema to his readership, which will result in him having more stuff to write in the future. [11:48]
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mircea_popescu greenspan_fan or if not some trivial html editing [11:49]
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greenspan_fan that's another good post [11:53]
Vexual [11:53]
ozbot Irish Fiddle : Frankie Gavin 1 - YouTube [11:53]
r3wt ;;authenticate [11:53]
gribble Error: "authenticate" is not a valid command. [11:53]
Vexual namaste r3wt [11:53]
r3wt namaste Vexual [11:54]
r3wt ;;auth [11:54]
gribble (auth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes. [11:54]
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Vexual how are you? [11:54]
r3wt ;;auth r3wt [11:54]
gribble Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first. [11:54]
Vexual ill give you a minute :) [11:54]
r3wt ;;auth 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875 [11:55]
gribble Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. [11:55]
mircea_popescu [11:55]
r3wt ;;auth r3wt [11:55]
gribble Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first. [11:55]
mircea_popescu i would say this is working splendidly. [11:55]
greenspan_fan I've looked at the welfare state as supplanting charity, but it's interesting to think that having charity function properly in practice hurts the rational for the welfare state [11:55]
Vexual yarr#] [11:55]
mircea_popescu r3wt use bcauth as the bot tells you eh [11:55]
r3wt hmm, i have not registerd a gpg key it says. i [11:56]
r3wt ;;bcauth r3wt [11:56]
gribble Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b992307b1d423773c3a0c60d25f61343c84dd35ee8dad48939e1eef1 [11:56]
r3wt awesome, thanks man [11:56]
Vexual thatll do [11:56]
* r3wt is n3wb [11:56]
ozbot Subpar: Anti-Obama Street Art Covers Santa Monica | Washington Free Beacon [11:56]
mircea_popescu greenspan_fan imo that's like perfume supplanting washing. [11:57]
r3wt so i should buy and sell here to increase my ratings? [11:57]
r3wt WTS: 10 LTC. .026 /ea. [11:57]
Vexual you can help me to increse your ratings [11:57]
BingoBoingo ===== [11:58]
greenspan_fan mircea_popescu happens in practice, still kinda gross [11:58]
cazalla can havelock stop people selling shares that were privately held but than added to the exchange later (see casino bitcoin) [11:58]
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mircea_popescu no. [11:58]
BingoBoingo WTS 75,000 ATC 2,000 Satoshis each [11:59]
Vexual r3wt, i accidently sent a bunch of bitcoin to my altcoin deposit address, can you have someone trasfer they kay over? [11:59]
Vexual take a % for the cause [12:00]
cazalla i wonder how long until casino bitcoin offload them then seeing the privately held ones were added to the exchange [12:00]
Vexual shareholders, devs, whatever [12:00]
r3wt I'm pretty sure i can't transfer the key from ATC to BTC [12:00]
Vexual im pretty sure u can [12:00]
BingoBoingo r3wt: Exact same key format [12:00]
Vexual dumpprivkey importprivkey [12:00]
mircea_popescu r3wt same keys work ya [12:00]
r3wt ^different checksum [12:00]
Vexual nope [12:00]
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r3wt tx id vexual? [12:01]
BingoBoingo r3wt: Not for ATC and BTC [12:01]
Vexual experience the atc power friend [12:01]
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r3wt how much btc is it anyway? [12:01]
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Vexual 0.08 and change, whats it worth to you? you have the key [12:03]
Vexual i was thinking 10% [12:04]
Vexual you can take the lot if you like [12:04]
Vexual but thats not my preference [12:04]
r3wt Project LUAPOD: [12:05]
r3wt lol, i'm not goinna take your coins. i was just wondering. i'm not experienced enough to be sure if importing the key is the idea, especially with reported "Transaction malleability" vulnerabilities discovered in bitcoin recently. [12:06]
Vexual well have a go, 10% is a generous offer [12:08]
r3wt 10% of what? [12:08]
r3wt are you being serious? [12:08]
Vexual take 10% of the bitcoin for your trouble, it should take all of 5 minutes [12:08]
Vexual yes [12:08]
antephialtic does this read like satire to you: [12:09]
Vexual nope, sounds like 2014 [12:09]
antephialtic I don't think the turkish president gives a fuck how many twitter followers he has [12:09]
Vexual [12:11]
mircea_popescu ahaha [12:11]
ozbot Sheryl Crow - All I Wanna Do - Rare Original Video - YouTube [12:11]
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mircea_popescu so basically if people who predicate their lives on twitter followers consistently act like anyone gives a shit about their twitter followers, somehow ??? the twitter followers will matter ? [12:11]
mircea_popescu the turkish president could buy twitter and bury it somewhere and nobody'd even know. [12:12]
r3wt ok vexual. better not be any surpises here [12:13]
davout mircea_popescu: "what's the inernet gonna do? blog about it?" <<< made me lol and looks relevant here [12:13]
mircea_popescu indeed. [12:13]
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Vexual r3wt, ask any of the more reputable players here if you like [12:14]
r3wt ;;gettrust Vexual [12:15]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user r3wt to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [12:15]
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r3wt you have no ratings [12:16]
Vexual its true [12:16]
Vexual did you see my support request to this effect with another username? [12:17]
r3wt ok. post your openex deposit address for bitcoin. [12:18]
r3wt you're high if you think i'm going to just import the private key on the server. i'll make a new local wallet import it then destroy the privatekey after i' [12:18]
r3wt send the coins. [12:18]
Vexual thanks, is 10% ok? [12:19]
r3wt no percent, i send it to you straight minus the tx fee [12:19]
Vexual you're the finest [12:20]
cazalla turning down a vig eh [12:20]
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mircea_popescu [12:25]
ozbot How AirBnB Became a Billion Dollar Company - Dave Gooden [12:25]
mircea_popescu pretty funny shit. [12:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9555 @ 0.00086244 = 8.2406 BTC [+] {2} [12:27]
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r3wt looks like Vexual lost .08 btc to stupidity [12:33]
Vexual it may be tru [12:33]
Vexual if you can get it back, take some money for your time [12:34]
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r3wt if i could get it back, the bitcoin protocol would be seriously flawed. [12:36]
r3wt you can defy tradition and even physics, but you can't defy logic [12:36]
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mircea_popescu what he do ? [12:38]
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Vexual i was overly typical [12:41]
Vexual i sent btc to my atc add on openex [12:41]
BingoBoingo Is this an ===== problem? [12:44]
mircea_popescu [12:44]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @anildash Your self-absorbed ... [12:44]
mircea_popescu anyone wanna lay odds on the fucktard actually showing ? [12:44]
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Vexual [12:49]
ozbot Positive Force - We Got The Funk (Original US re-edit version vinyl 1979) - YouTube [12:49]
Duffer1 SJ crap? [12:49]
cazalla sjw [12:49]
BingoBoingo I'd only offer 4.5 to 1 in favor of no. [12:49]
mircea_popescu social justice [12:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo o im taking that yes. how much is your pleasure ? [12:50]
cazalla Duffer1: check your bitcoin privilege [12:50]
Duffer1 ah [12:51]
Vexual whenever you get a chance r3wt, theres no rush [12:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Give me time for a glass of OJ and some more thought on those odds. [12:52]
mircea_popescu i don't recall such insolence in quite a while. [12:52]
pankkake must be weird to be called self-absorbed by MP [12:52]
mircea_popescu this guy is a sort of chewed gum attached to someone's boot. [12:52]
mircea_popescu "There was also a pretty dogged pitch for his startup, which will get all kinds of warm huzzahs from the intersection of MRAs, Bitcoin fans, NSA critics and Redditors. I was pretty amazed that he went for it. He flat out said that he wants his startup to be funded and wasn't sure if it'd be possible after all of his, and I replied that it realistically wasn't going to happen without the say-so of someone like me, and I [12:52]
mircea_popescu wasn't inclined to give some VC the nod on this. On reflection, I'll be explicit: If you're a venture capitalist, and you invest in Pax's startup without a profound, meaningful and years-long demonstration of responsibility from Pax beforehand, you're complicit in extending the tech industry's awful track record of exclusion, and it's unacceptable." [12:52]
mircea_popescu this. [12:52]
mircea_popescu this is what the fucktard said. [12:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I have to see who this Dash guy is [12:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo literally nobody. [12:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I need maybe 20 minutes to see what kind of Nobody though. [12:53]
mircea_popescu no rush. [12:53]
mircea_popescu the kind of nobody who imagines that buying 500k worth of twitter followers and going to faggoty parties in CA makes him notable. [12:53]
BingoBoingo I might also have to finish the episode of Bar Rescue first [12:54]
mircea_popescu prolly wise. [12:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It is almost as good as the Variety Speak. We need John Taffer in this channel. [12:55]
mircea_popescu so tell him [12:56]
Vexual i can piss a better bar rescue in 30 second [12:56]
Duffer1 btw thanks for sharing that last one BB [12:57]
BingoBoingo Need to find him first. This Dash dude is a social media hot mess. A year a retweeting only women for some Doge article. [12:57]
mircea_popescu the raping that this entire establishment of nothings and nobodies is about to get all through the rest of the decade is unparallel in the history of rape. [12:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ayup [12:57]
mircea_popescu but you know, whatever. they're asking for it. [12:58]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I read the Doge article on the retweets before. Name was unnotable though. [12:58]
mircea_popescu which doge is this ? [12:58]
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mircea_popescu anyway, i gotta say there is one thing i love about twitter : [13:00]
mircea_popescu the fact that by starting your tweets with an @ reference you effectively limit distribution to only those who already follow the idiot in question allows one to engage idiots who otherwise you'd hesitate to engage for the last thing you want is publicise unremarkable idiots. [13:01]
Vexual totes [13:02]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The Doge article where he wrote about only retweeting women. It would have been a Bit article if only it wouldn't insult Bit, hence Doge article. [13:05]
mircea_popescu oic. [13:05]
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mircea_popescu i dun think he actually has the clue to see the difference, just, the doge troop of fucktards probably haven't bought his payola whatever yet, [13:06]
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mircea_popescu donated to a kitten shelter or w/e it is they do. [13:06]
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BingoBoingo Oh, Loser invoked my name [13:08]
mircea_popescu what srsly ?!@ [13:09]
mircea_popescu i don't get why that's supposed to be a problem anyway. so he retweeted only women. i fuck only women. seems about even. [13:10]
mircea_popescu First, to recap: I had about 18,000 followers of my own back in October, when I got added to the suggested user list. (Let's call these "organic" followers.) If I'd have continued my normal rate of growth, i'd have about 25,000 followers today, but thanks to being on the list, I've got close to 300,000 followers. Surprisingly though, I only get as many retweets and replies as I'd get with my organic number of followers. [13:12]
mircea_popescu derp. [13:12]
BingoBoingo Lloyds might have to insure a bet on Dash. So much Hurp. I don't think I can price Dash. [13:14]
mircea_popescu i don't think there's a price. [13:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.069 = 0.69 BTC [-] [13:15]
BingoBoingo The more I read the more i think he might show for a derp piece. [13:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06841332 = 1.0262 BTC [-] {3} [13:16]
BingoBoingo Or he could be too high and mighty. [13:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00086273 = 5.7803 BTC [+] {3} [13:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 330 @ 0.055 = 18.15 BTC [-] [13:19]
BingoBoingo The Derp is strong with this one [13:23]
Duffer1 *click link* A Blog About Making Culture ... *closes tab* [13:24]
BingoBoingo lol [13:25]
Duffer1 i get the strong impression that it's more 'tell me what to think' type blogging rather than 'teach me how' [13:26]
cazalla i don't understand why there are more and more of these types of people [13:27]
BingoBoingo Reading his mouth feces makes me want to see him stop by [13:27]
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mircea_popescu Duffer1 it's a fine example of the us socialism. guy's an (unpaid) propaganda agent of stupidity. [13:28]
pankkake because they can afford to live in their bubbles, away from reality? [13:28]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Not forever [13:28]
pankkake I hope so [13:28]
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cazalla it's popping up everywhere though [13:29]
cazalla more recently gaming [13:29]
pankkake oh? [13:29]
mircea_popescu closer to leni riefenstahl on the riefenstahl-eisenstein scale of socialist propaganda. [13:31]
pankkake I've seen a few "enough is enough" about the supposed IT sexism. I think the nonsense worked so far because those are usually quiet communities, so they took silence as acceptation [13:31]
mircea_popescu yup. [13:32]
mircea_popescu moreover, fuckwits like this and whats-her-rapeface cause i forgot tend to live in their own realities [13:32]
mircea_popescu sort-of like little mtgoxes scattered around the land. [13:32]
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BingoBoingo In the meantime a higher portion of MP's IT and coding workforce has vaginas than SIlicon Valley's [13:33]
mircea_popescu this happens to be true. [13:34]
mircea_popescu but you see, it HAPPENS to be true. [13:34]
mircea_popescu perhaps at some level that happening happens because actual women that are actually competent also... happen to be more comfortable with me than with fucktards like this and his ilk. nevertheless... [13:35]
r3wt ping>>(i++) [13:35]
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mircea_popescu anyway, from reading his comments i get now why the low income housing for free stuff is so important to these people. [13:38]
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BingoBoingo lol [13:38]
mircea_popescu basically, all the fuckwits doing the retweeting, redditing etc are people with "liberal" educations and a ton of debt, no means of sustenance and a desire to live in manhattan [13:38]
cazalla sounds like a micro aggression [13:38]
mircea_popescu so therefore... OF COURSE they want low income housing. [13:38]
mircea_popescu so they don't have to go back to ohio and help pick up the potato crop. [13:39]
BingoBoingo Anils seems to realize that if he didn't accidentally into Six Apart he could have been an expert cashier too [13:39]
mircea_popescu this shit's so like romania cca 1983 it burns. [13:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Idaho is potatos. Ohio is shitpits. [13:39]
mircea_popescu ony because all the ohio fuckwits and ESPECIALLY fuckwitettes flocked to ny to be [13:40]
mircea_popescu "writers" [13:40]
BingoBoingo Any Industrial chemical process that smells too bad for New Jersey happens in Ohio [13:40]
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mircea_popescu The punk rolled up his big blue eyes and said to the jocker, “Sandy, [13:51]
mircea_popescu I’ve hiked and hiked and wandered too, but I ain’t seen any candy. [13:51]
mircea_popescu I’ve hiked and hiked till my feet are sore and I’ll be damned if I hike any more [13:51]
mircea_popescu To be buggered sore like a hobo’s whore in the Big Rock Candy Mountains.” [13:51]
BingoBoingo Great song [13:54]
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BingoBoingo Never before has Bowlderization done as much harm as it did to the Big Rock Candy Mountain [13:55]
mircea_popescu well maybe once or twice [13:56]
BingoBoingo Definitely no more than thrice though [13:57]
mircea_popescu [14:00]
ozbot Candice is making breakfast pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [14:00]
BingoBoingo [14:00]
ozbot Shel Silverstein - Who's your Daddy, Sue? - YouTube [14:00]
mircea_popescu that sad moment when your favorite read of the day is a year old articlke of your own [14:00]
mircea_popescu "This video contains content from UMG. It is restricted from playback on certain sites" [14:00]
mircea_popescu meh fucking asshats these people. [14:00]
BingoBoingo Asshats everywhere [14:01]
BingoBoingo Great point "Boys get caught and go to jail, girls get caught and go to the maternity ward." [14:04]
mircea_popescu so they do. [14:08]
mircea_popescu so apparently thailand is up in flames [14:09]
BingoBoingo Thailand and Ukraine in flames at the same time? There won't be any girls left for the cam sites. [14:09]
mircea_popescu srsly. [14:10]
BingoBoingo Maybe we should make Wisconsin poorer [14:11]
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mircea_popescu "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work....After eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...and an enormous debt to boot!" [14:49]
mircea_popescu who said ? [14:49]
dub alex jones [14:50]
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mircea_popescu actually henry morgenthau [15:03]
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lnovy Hi guys, anybody willing to explain me that 2/4/2014 mpex puts in laymen terms? thx [15:11]
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mircea_popescu lnovy why not read the logs of that day ? [15:12]
lnovy mircea_popescu: I'm reading that, but I guess I'm not that schooled in the terminology, therefore I'm asking for layman terms... [15:13]
mircea_popescu there's also bugpowder's explanation on the forum [15:14]
lnovy eg. that little [-] at the end of assbot line has a meaning of what? [15:14]
lnovy the thread that is linking the irclog? [15:14]
mircea_popescu the [-] has the meaning that the current trade is at a lower price than the previous trade [15:14]
lnovy from bitcointalk? or some other? can you point me please with a link? I'd be glad [15:15]
lnovy thanks [15:15]
mircea_popescu [15:16]
lnovy ok, will dive into that, thx [15:16]
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ThickAsThieves [15:38]
ThickAsThieves "Mashtags have been salted and hashed" [15:38]
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mircea_popescu [15:50]
mircea_popescu denmark, struggling to be even more of a joke. [15:50]
mircea_popescu if that were possible. [15:50]
davout france is considering banning foie gras [15:54]
davout or so i heard [15:54]
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pankkake then southwest will probably secede [15:56]
mircea_popescu it's really amusing to watch, all the bs. [15:57]
mircea_popescu about five years ago romania "banned" classic lighbulbs. [15:57]
mircea_popescu i still use them, they're still available for sale. not in the supermarkets, of course, which happens to be great : i never used them, but now more people have direct economic incentive not to. [15:58]
the20year And in the US some want to make kosher/halal slaughters manditory [15:58]
mircea_popescu about thirty years ago, some countries in the waszaw pact were a lot more zealous than romania in implementing the glorious directives of the eastern socialist brother. [15:58]
mircea_popescu they... didn't do so well. [15:58]
the20year Which ones? [15:58]
mircea_popescu bulgaria, for instance. [15:59]
the20year Moldova seems to be a shining beacon of economic and poltical freedom. But that's the only one I can think of [15:59]
the20year Really? My bulgarian contacts seem to make fun of Romania for being more commie than themselves [15:59]
mircea_popescu haha really ? [15:59]
the20year Yeah [16:00]
mircea_popescu in broad strokes, the soviet plan was to have industry concentrated in russia and agriculture in the west. [16:00]
the20year my one contact there keeps wanting me to come over and help with business development. He has a ton of cool stuff going on since they can export to the EU [16:00]
mircea_popescu it worked in the ukraine and bulgaria, which mostly made pickles all through the 90s. [16:00]
mircea_popescu and as a result, they actually had a famine, in the 90s [16:00]
the20year Pickles and hunger [16:00]
the20year Ukraine had a fammine in like 2004 or 2005 [16:01]
mircea_popescu right. [16:01]
the20year Nothing like the holomodor mind you, but they were worried about an agricultural collapse on a massive scale [16:01]
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mircea_popescu im aware. [16:01]
the20year That's when grain prices in the US started to boom which is finally starting to end now [16:01]
the20year Land prices went from $3k/ac to nearly $8k locally [16:01]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in the same 2004, romania was one of the 3 countries the us was suspecting might have sold inertial stabilizers and other high tech gear to the evil arabs. [16:01]
the20year Yeah, obviously that's stupid because Romania can't produce things like that, they're more into producing shovels and cheap inaccurate guns [16:02]
mircea_popescu so mayhap said bulgarian guy is a little... you know, confabulating. [16:02]
mircea_popescu the20year actually, romania is exactly capable of producing them, and in fact it had sold them. [16:02]
the20year His statement to me was that all political officals are corrupt, but they're also cheap to buy, so you can get done whatever you want for a few hundred bucks [16:02]
the20year Compared to moldova, where it costs $1m to build a $50,000 building [16:03]
mircea_popescu yes, which is the gist of my earlier point. [16:04]
mircea_popescu romania is very corrupt, and much so to its benefit. [16:04]
mircea_popescu at the rate things are going france or denmark may be tomorrow's bulgaria and ukraine. [16:04]
davout yup [16:05]
the20year I don't know about that, it's going to be quite interesting though in 20 years [16:05]
davout i'm considering opening a bitcoin exchange in nigeria, thoughts? [16:05]
the20year Between negative population growth, rise of immigration and 75% taxes, it'll make for a quite interesting century [16:05]
mircea_popescu take some foreign legion folks with you. [16:05]
mircea_popescu they're well respected. [16:05]
the20year I just want to see how the map changes in Europe more [16:05]
the20year Maybe scottland, flanders and some of spain will break off [16:06]
mircea_popescu the20year i pay ~3%. i dunno where you got that 75% from. [16:06]
the20year You have assets over 1m? [16:06]
mircea_popescu ... [16:06]
davout lived there, mommy still knows folks in various ministries, if they're corruptible that could become the main exchange hub in africa >) [16:06]
the20year The guys i've talked to in spain are all leaving over Hollande's big tax [16:06]
mircea_popescu hollande is taxing spain ?! [16:06]
the20year and if you look , holland's tax is just a throwback to mitterand's big tax in the 80s, which saw a pretty large exodus of business leaving the country [16:06]
mircea_popescu that's a good one :D [16:06]
mircea_popescu france is fucked anyway, i think pretty much everyone realises this by now. [16:07]
the20year I think that you could get good traction on african exchanges/wallets if you show the use of savings [16:07]
the20year Does germany? [16:07]
davout the20year: what do you mean? as in inflation-proof? [16:07]
the20year most africans don't save, saving money for the future is a good thing [16:07]
the20year financial independence is a good thing [16:07]
mircea_popescu germany is fine. [16:08]
davout the20year: the way they save is they make kids [16:08]
mircea_popescu ^ [16:08]
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the20year Correct [16:08]
mircea_popescu they don't actually have enough for any other saving to be worthwhile [16:08]
mircea_popescu fat in the kids first, then fat in the cattle, then real estate [16:08]
the20year I just get sad every time I hear about more stupidity in africa, i wish someone would do something taht might actually make the general populace act less retarded [16:08]
mircea_popescu then capital goods, then capital in cash. a full four degrees away from it yet [16:08]
the20year The resources are there [16:09]
mircea_popescu the20year the average of africa population is A LOT less retarded than the average of us. [16:09]
the20year A guy in my town exports farm equipment to south Africa, it's always depressing to hear how terrible things are getting for farmers there [16:09]
davout mircea_popescu: the proof is that they manage to survive in africa [16:09]
mircea_popescu ^ [16:09]
the20year as far as IQ goes or what? [16:09]
mircea_popescu as far as retardation goes. [16:09]
mircea_popescu the us folk are merely on the receiving end of a pillage system their grandfathers built and they can't support. [16:10]
mircea_popescu as conditions equalize it'll be indeed interesting. [16:10]
chetty Africa would do fine if people would stop helping them so much [16:11]
the20year Who is helping zimbabwe? [16:11]
mircea_popescu about the same people helping detroit. [16:11]
mircea_popescu broadly speaking. [16:11]
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pankkake many (all?) of the horrible african leaders have been western-educated [16:13]
kakobrekla davout i can cover nigeria from somalia just well. [16:13]
mircea_popescu omg competition! [16:13]
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mircea_popescu the20year if you're genuinely interested to go into depth re your example, [16:14]
davout kakobrekla: it's on the other side! [16:15]
davout for those who read franch [16:16]
pankkake another good point for bitcoin in africa, is that using multiple currencies isn't something new [16:16]
mircea_popescu aahah [16:17]
davout when i was a kid i wondered why my mum had to buy dollars on the black market [16:17]
mircea_popescu you grew up in nigeria ?! [16:17]
davout now i get it :-) [16:17]
mircea_popescu and are now running a bitcoin exchange ?! [16:17]
mircea_popescu OMFG [16:17]
davout sat on dutch school there for three years [16:17]
davout (the french school was too retarded apparently) [16:18]
mircea_popescu l’autre grand géant HBO domine le marché avec des séries de qualité, de Newsroom à Games of Thrones [16:18]
mircea_popescu oh fucking hell. [16:18]
mircea_popescu how is that quality. in what parallel universe. wtf. [16:18]
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davout it's like the onion [16:18]
mircea_popescu o o [16:18]
mircea_popescu i see [16:18]
pankkake name comes from le figaro [16:19]
mircea_popescu Trop de créativité d’un coup dans un épisode d’une série pourrait provoquer des dommages irréparables [16:19]
davout you can see stuff like "terrorist organizations on strike after the government complexifies the emergency plans color codes" [16:19]
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mircea_popescu lol [16:19]
pankkake le gorafi is often close to reality, like the onion [16:19]
davout yup [16:19]
mircea_popescu complexifies should be a word. [16:19]
davout did i just teach mircea_popescu a new english word? [16:20]
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mircea_popescu lol [16:20]
mircea_popescu soo... our good friend the irrelevant twitter authority has failed to actually back his bullshit. surprisingly enough. [16:21]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i could so have taken your bitcents!!11 [16:21]
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davout "and are now running a bitcoin exchange ?!" <<< haha, missed this [16:24]
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mircea_popescu amusingly, the forum never discovered this a year or so ago. [16:25]
ThickAsThieves I just want to note that briefly working with Jimmy @ has been a pleasure and I like what he's doing with his forum [16:26]
mircea_popescu it'd have been funny. [16:26]
mircea_popescu forum sux at dox [16:26]
ThickAsThieves i'll try to get him in here too [16:26]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves which jimmy is this and what exactly do you work on with jimmy ?! [16:26]
ThickAsThieves he begins offering advertising opportunities soon [16:26]
ThickAsThieves to become a mod and manage the Altcoin thread he created [16:26]
ThickAsThieves he even verified I was me! [16:26]
ThickAsThieves he's this guy on the default forum;u=102470 [16:28]
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ThickAsThieves ;;gettrust jimmyk [16:28]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user jimmyk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [16:28]
mircea_popescu ah [16:29]
mircea_popescu i c [16:29]
ThickAsThieves basically he's made no derp noises since i met him [16:29]
ThickAsThieves is all i'm saying [16:29]
mircea_popescu cool beans. [16:29]
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ThickAsThieves also stumbled on this blog by mislinking apocalyptic's exchange [16:30]
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chetty Welcome to global warming: [16:31]
ThickAsThieves tens of thousands of bird-counting volunteers?! [16:32]
ThickAsThieves yeha right [16:32]
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ThickAsThieves okay there's no way in hell ALL of the comments are naturally negative on WSJ [16:43]
ThickAsThieves unless only an idiot would make an account at to comment.... [16:44]
lnovy from that link it looks like that an idiocy is more than common there... [16:46]
ThickAsThieves right, but where are the bitcoin-loving idiots? [16:47]
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mircea_popescu [16:51]
mircea_popescu dun dun dun. [16:51]
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kakobrekla i dont even ... [17:02]
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mircea_popescu ha! [17:05]
ThickAsThieves the irony(?) is that i wish your exchange with him had more substance [17:06]
ThickAsThieves but i guess that's the point [17:07]
mircea_popescu i wish exactly the same. [17:07]
mircea_popescu generally people seem uniquely unprepared to... you know, explain themselves. [17:07]
mircea_popescu sad state of affairs. [17:07]
mircea_popescu average joe blow banker can't articulate why he doesn't like bitcoin. [17:07]
mircea_popescu "dude, i hate it because it's a threat, what do you want from me ?" would be infinitely more respectable than you know... "oh, deflation" [17:08]
pankkake lol you quoted me [17:08]
mircea_popescu so i did. [17:08]
pankkake anyway I feel like you're discovering twitter [17:08]
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pankkake it's always empty "witty" retorts, never substance [17:09]
mircea_popescu ironically, i had an account long long ago, then abandoned it because they did something stupid to the site. don't remember what exactly. [17:09]
mircea_popescu and now recently discovered that they fixed it. [17:09]
mircea_popescu so... i guess I am rediscovering it. [17:09]
ThickAsThieves do you think your style may not serve you in situations like this? as in, you started with farts and piss, and thus gave him an out to start talking like a child? [17:09]
mircea_popescu so he failed to establish his ground as a man, will do better as a child ? [17:09]
ThickAsThieves well it was easier and maybe youre just a troll [17:10]
mircea_popescu the difference between the smart and the stupid is simply that the smart can be stupid. the stupid can't be smart. [17:10]
mircea_popescu if we reduce it to the smart are smart, the stupid are stupid then there's no longer any clear hierarchy. [17:10]
mircea_popescu sure, maybe i'm just a troll. [17:10]
mircea_popescu problem solved ? [17:10]
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ThickAsThieves some people require ritual in their debate is all i mean, i'm not saying it's justifiable, so much as if you talk to people the "right" way, the substance of the conversation can sometimes be allowed to surface [17:11]
mircea_popescu you know what barnacles are right ? [17:12]
ThickAsThieves yes [17:12]
mircea_popescu this particular ship you propose, which existed cca 1800, has meanwhile been infected by barnacles, [17:12]
ThickAsThieves ive injured myself often on them [17:12]
mircea_popescu to the point that there's no ship left. just an outline of barnacles. [17:12]
mircea_popescu this is what this guy is, and what i meant by "nigger" in that article : he's nothing more substantial than JUST the ritual in question. [17:12]
mircea_popescu in such a circumstance attempting to satisfy the ritual becomes an empty exercise in circularity. [17:13]
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ThickAsThieves but you reached out to him for a reason right? [17:14]
ThickAsThieves what? [17:14]
mircea_popescu "I offered you a chance to redeem your idiocy" [17:14]
mircea_popescu honestly. [17:14]
mircea_popescu it is literally what it is. [17:15]
mircea_popescu like some derp makes some ipo announcement on tardtalk and you or the girl or pankkake (who is just a troll right ?) or kako or anyone says some things [17:15]
mircea_popescu and the noob either withdraws the "ipo" (which i've seen at least once) or else goes on a derprampage. [17:15]
ThickAsThieves wouldnt that require convincing him of his idiocy at all [17:15]
mircea_popescu which i've seen a million times. [17:16]
mircea_popescu he convinced himself of it, let him unconvince himself of it too. [17:16]
pankkake I give up on the forum btw. it's hopeless. [17:16]
mircea_popescu any other approach runs straight into "i'll unconvince myself for five dollah mista" [17:16]
pankkake people trust "screenshots", get scammed, say "i just wanted to mine" [17:17]
mircea_popescu [17:17]
ThickAsThieves maybe, something just seems ineffective about it [17:17]
mircea_popescu check it out : us supreme court rules that argentina must pay out in fulkl to holdouts [17:17]
mircea_popescu while europe is trying to restructure debt. [17:17]
mircea_popescu this is so much epic fail. [17:17]
pankkake shameless sockpuppeting [17:17]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the most effective point in all of us foreign policy was when kennedy said "fu, we're ghoing to war" [17:18]
mircea_popescu in relations with agents you're stuck not being efficient but effectual instead. [17:18]
ThickAsThieves maybe use your mpex options problem as an example, it was brought up more than once that you had a problem and it should be solved, but only after preparing the information in a way you could digest would you acknowledge it [17:18]
ThickAsThieves maybe not fair to compare a room of smart people i guess [17:19]
pankkake apparently France said to Argentina that it was cool [17:19]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves but i did engage the substance. [17:19]
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mircea_popescu there's a fundamental difference here in that sense. [17:19]
ThickAsThieves well what if i had come to you saying your options are shit cuz they a borked [17:20]
ThickAsThieves and thats all [17:20]
mircea_popescu the reason people could ever construct their arguments was that i was engaging the substance, and visibly so, which allows for retort. [17:20]
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mircea_popescu and the reason they bothered is the experience/knowledge that i actually do act under my own authority, [17:20]
mircea_popescu so it's not wasted effort. [17:20]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves but that's not at all similar. [17:20]
ThickAsThieves i guess youre right [17:21]
ThickAsThieves if i had sais [17:21]
ThickAsThieves Here’s a challenge : defend the options crap. in public. Against me. [17:21]
ThickAsThieves it wouldve been settled even faster [17:21]
mircea_popescu mebbe. [17:21]
mircea_popescu we'd have ended up bogged down in the fact that i know who you are [17:22]
mircea_popescu he doesn't know who i am. [17:22]
mircea_popescu if random guy fell into the chat with that request i'd have probably linked him to jurov's manual. [17:22]
mircea_popescu see how he goes from there. [17:22]
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ThickAsThieves being in the US, and a background in mktg & visual media, it's hard for me to avoid the desire to cater i guess [17:24]
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mircea_popescu which is fine in many applications [17:24]
mircea_popescu but not in all. [17:24]
mircea_popescu no one strategy is good in all situations. [17:24]
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mircea_popescu in this case mutual catering is actually a large chunk of the problem. [17:25]
mircea_popescu not only and not especially because it inflates such bubbles of self-absorption, [17:25]
ThickAsThieves i just enjoy it more when someone is converted and joins us, than when we display one more idiot [17:25]
mircea_popescu but imo even more importantly because it fails to resolve tensions with the unknown [17:25]
mircea_popescu by which i mean : kids who hussle each other grow strong and confident [17:25]
mircea_popescu kids that live in the us schools today, forbidden to as much as touch, grow up with this HORRID fear of everyone and everything [17:26]
ThickAsThieves i agree that catering in general is a horrible snowballing thing [17:26]
mircea_popescu which is unnatural, to the point it corrupts dogs. [17:26]
ThickAsThieves my wife is writing her resignation pr for her job [17:26]
ThickAsThieves and i'm like why are you lying? [17:26]
ThickAsThieves she feels she must play the game [17:27]
ThickAsThieves i feel like playing the game is the problem [17:27]
mircea_popescu well, in her defense, women playing the game and men playing the game are different problems. [17:27]
ThickAsThieves indeed, her being a woman happens to be one of the reasons she's leaving [17:28]
mircea_popescu that's an entirely different style of suck. [17:28]
ThickAsThieves old man board just cant come to terms [17:28]
mircea_popescu what srsly ? [17:28]
ThickAsThieves yeah i never thought i;d see it [17:29]
ThickAsThieves but we got old south here still [17:29]
ThickAsThieves they just see her as the girl asking for the money [17:29]
ThickAsThieves (nonprofit org) [17:29]
ThickAsThieves but she's actually the boss [17:29]
mircea_popescu [17:30]
ThickAsThieves they have secret meetings without her and such [17:30]
mircea_popescu hahaha why ? [17:30]
ThickAsThieves cuz they wanna be the boss [17:30]
mircea_popescu but why ? they're the board no ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu is this like a bunch of bored retired people ? [17:31]
ThickAsThieves exactly [17:31]
mircea_popescu those boards suck. [17:31]
mircea_popescu she should quit. [17:31]
ThickAsThieves she did [17:31]
ThickAsThieves nearly doubled her salary too [17:31]
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ThickAsThieves she was doing it partly out of charity [17:31]
ThickAsThieves cuz she believed in the org [17:32]
mircea_popescu fcking condominium boards. they never go anywhere. [17:32]
ThickAsThieves our city is riddled [17:32]
ThickAsThieves many of my clients were nonprofits [17:32]
ThickAsThieves horrible horrible boards [17:32]
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mircea_popescu where the fuck do you live, florida ? [17:32]
mircea_popescu o wait, yes you do huh. [17:32]
ThickAsThieves hehe [17:32]
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jayk another jp morgan bank jumper [17:36]
jayk d'oh [17:37]
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mircea_popescu i hear jpm is rebranding [17:38]
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mircea_popescu PopCorn [17:38]
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ThickAsThieves rebranding sure is brutal these days! [17:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1005 @ 0.00300034 = 3.0153 BTC [+] {3} [17:38]
ThickAsThieves "throw it all out the window" [17:39]
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mike_c !t h rent [17:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (866 shares, 4.76300000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5326 shares, 29.29300000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (34080 shares, 187.44000000 BTC) [17:44]
Apocalyptic "Dimon's hit squad at work right now....If i work at JPM, I would watch my back going to and from work just to be safe" [17:45]
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ThickAsThieves ask for an office on a lower floor at least [17:46]
jayk oh there has been 6 in 3 weeks [17:47]
asciilifeform on lower floor people tend to slip and fall onto nailguns [17:47]
jayk at least 2 jumperd [17:47]
ThickAsThieves indeed [17:47]
jayk jumpers [17:47]
mircea_popescu ;;google jumping jack z80 [17:48]
gribble Jumping Jack (1983)(Imagine Software) ROM < ZX Spectrum Z80 ...: ; Jumping Jack • ZX Spectrum online - Torinak: ; Universal/UPL Game List: [17:48]
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asciilifeform ;; google hardhat mack [17:50]
gribble Hard Hat Mack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Hard Hat Mack Game Review (Apple II) - YouTube: ; C64 Longplay - Hard Hat Mack - YouTube: [17:50]
asciilifeform phun phact: that was where i first heard of 'osha' [17:50]
mircea_popescu jesus apple gayzorz [17:51]
asciilifeform brother and i played this on our 'Iskra' (xt clone) and combed three different dictionaries to learn what the fuck an osha is [17:51]
davout and wtf is an osha? [17:51]
asciilifeform ;; google OSHA [17:51]
gribble Occupational Safety and Health Administration - Home: ; OSHA Law & Regulations: ; Workers page - OSHA: [17:51]
asciilifeform that. [17:51]
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jayk ;;google custers revenge [17:52]
gribble Custer's Revenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Custer's Revenge - YouTube: ; Custer's Revenge - The 11 Most Racist Video Games - [17:52]
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jayk i had that for the atari 2600 [17:53]
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mircea_popescu did any of you discover that the original civ could be forced into multiplayer mode [17:53]
mircea_popescu by altering a bit in the savegame [17:53]
mircea_popescu (the one that identified which civilisation you're playing) [17:53]
asciilifeform not only that [17:54]
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asciilifeform you could play as the 'barbarians' [17:54]
mircea_popescu yup [17:54]
mircea_popescu that was actually loads of fun [17:54]
mircea_popescu tho you couldn't build shit [17:54]
asciilifeform right [17:54]
mircea_popescu As the mist leaves no scar on the dark green hill so my body leaves no scar on you and never will [17:56]
mircea_popescu what the fuck cockless inept lover is this cohen guy [17:56]
mircea_popescu who the fuck ever loved a woman and never left any scar on her. [17:56]
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ThickAsThieves this should make National Geographic: [18:18]
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ThickAsThieves he's even wearing google glass [18:18]
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ThickAsThieves [18:19]
asciilifeform [18:20]
asciilifeform ' he was the winner of the "nigritude ultramarine" search engine optimization contest,[5] and in 2005 he was photographed and printed in the New York Times on June 2, 2005, Fashion Thursday section in a Threadless t-shirt mentioning the web site' [18:20]
asciilifeform seriously? [18:20]
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ThickAsThieves lol [18:21]
ThickAsThieves "... is a blogger, entrepreneur, and technologist." [18:21]
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ThickAsThieves “It is important to continually improve Canada’s regime to address emerging risks, including virtual currencies such as Bitcoin, that threaten Canada’s international leadership in the fight against money laundering and terrorist financing,” said Flaherty. [18:24]
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bones` So what is going to happen in Ukraine? [18:34]
nubbins` mayhem [18:35]
bones` Pretty sure they've made it to mayhem [18:36]
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nubbins` nod [18:40]
nubbins` more of the same [18:40]
bones` speaking of: [18:40]
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Chris_Sabian_ Apocalyptic: are you online? [18:46]
Apocalyptic Chris_Sabian_, I am [18:46]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: i'm now 0-2 after losing to you and Apocalyptic. D: [18:47]
nubbins` ;;later tell truffles CHESS [18:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:47]
nubbins` ;;later tell namworld CHESS [18:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:47]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform postmodernism. everyone's famous for nothing in particular. [18:53]
mircea_popescu hey assets, is scam ? [18:57]
mircea_popescu or what do we know of it ? [18:57]
ThickAsThieves it's been around a long time [18:58]
ThickAsThieves i always assumed they stopped mining and started faking it at some point [18:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 150 @ 0.16230094 = 24.3451 BTC [-] [18:59]
ThickAsThieves there are some stories out there of customer nightmares [18:59]
ThickAsThieves but i never saw anything definitive [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.70496334 BTC to 2`122 shares, 80347 satoshi per share [19:00]
mircea_popescu kinda what i had too [19:00]
ThickAsThieves TF endorsed them [19:01]
ThickAsThieves and advertised there [19:01]
ThickAsThieves Deprived called it a scam [19:01]
mircea_popescu did he ever show anything ? [19:02]
ThickAsThieves yeah, but TF debunked it [19:02]
ThickAsThieves [19:03]
mircea_popescu well i guess this passes the bar for advertising, what can i say. [19:03]
ThickAsThieves a whole thread on the topic :) [19:03]
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TomServo asciilifeform: got a link to the monitor you mentioned? [19:11]
asciilifeform TomServo: it wasn't a proper monitor. tablet widget. [19:11]
asciilifeform kept around just for that purpose [19:12]
TomServo Ah [19:12]
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asciilifeform TomServo: simply bought the highest 'dpi' screen sold, for reading scanned crap. [19:15]
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nubbins` was it an ipad with retina? ;p [19:16]
asciilifeform nope [19:17]
nubbins` i've seen some nice usb monitors for cheap [19:17]
asciilifeform those are 2048 x 1536 [19:17]
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nubbins` nod. fine for the size, but if you want something bigger.. [19:18]
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asciilifeform one of the google tablet toys [19:18]
asciilifeform 'nexus 10' [19:18]
nubbins` ah, yes [19:18]
nubbins` i almost bought a nexus [19:18]
nubbins` 4, 5, something [19:18]
asciilifeform i literally don't need it for anything other than reading djvu scans. [19:18]
nubbins` yeah [19:19]
nubbins` way cheaper than an ipad, too [19:19]
asciilifeform about the same cost [19:19]
nubbins` srsly? [19:19]
asciilifeform ~400 usd [19:19]
nubbins` <--doesn't keep up on tech much anymore [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.06250007 = 2.8125 BTC [-] [19:19]
nubbins` i think my ipad was ~$700 [19:19]
nubbins` but this was years ago [19:19]
nubbins` and a business expense [19:19]
asciilifeform if someone sold a screen with double the pixels for double the cost, i'd have bought that. [19:19]
asciilifeform or triple, quadruple, etc. [19:19]
asciilifeform djvu is a really spiffy format that uses wavelet compression [19:20]
ThickAsThieves the nexus 7 is pretty nice [19:20]
asciilifeform and the scans are usually taken in a ridiculously high res to begin with [19:20]
nubbins` what's the biggest res that HDMI can support at a reasonable framerate, i wonder? [19:21]
asciilifeform ('pdf' for such scans is virtually worthlessly slow) [19:21]
nubbins` ^ [19:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You didn't get him in channel though. [19:22]
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asciilifeform my one and only flirt with programming for apple crap was a djvu viewer for ipad (model 1) [19:22]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo true true [19:22]
asciilifeform never published (i decided it was crap, and shortly after, someone beat me to the punch) [19:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok 3k px but how big is it ? 10 inches ? [19:23]
asciilifeform 10. [19:23]
asciilifeform diagonally [19:23]
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mircea_popescu kinda small neh ? [19:23]
asciilifeform usable. originals were roughly a4. [19:23]
mircea_popescu even so. i make it my policy to never look at small stuff. [19:23]
asciilifeform the viewer auto-crops whitespace [19:23]
mircea_popescu i don't think i've read type smaller than about half an inch in the past decade [19:23]
asciilifeform so it looks more or less like the original page [19:23]
mircea_popescu but the original page is what, 12pt ? [19:24]
asciilifeform ~14 [19:24]
mircea_popescu a a [19:24]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, everyone : the best thing you can do for your eyes is make all the text big. [19:25]
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mircea_popescu and never look at small shit, like ever. [19:25]
mike_c aren't we all sitting in front of multiple 30" monitors that are blasting our eyes to crap anyway? [19:26]
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mircea_popescu mike_c the eyes don't mind all that much just as long as you don't go all spinoza on them [19:27]
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Jere_Jones Can/Should WOT be used for a business identity instead of the individuals behind that business? [19:27]
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mircea_popescu Jere_Jones can you construct an example ? [19:27]
Jere_Jones Scratch "Can". Obviously it "can". [19:27]
Jere_Jones Coinbase (just an example) creates a WOT identity and puts the fingerprint on their website. Happy with the service? Rate it. Unhappy, rate it. [19:28]
mircea_popescu seems reasonable. [19:29]
mircea_popescu firm, comes from firma, which comes from signature. [19:29]
mircea_popescu the wot is the corporation register of bitcoin. whether you're a person or anything else, you're equally a corporation anywya. [19:29]
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Jere_Jones Would there be an implied social contract to not transfer the identities private key if the business changes ownership? [19:29]
mircea_popescu you can effect key changes on the wot. [19:30]
mircea_popescu the outgoin gowner would sign in favour of the new owner's key. [19:30]
Jere_Jones I'm thinking more along the lines of the new owners not getting the benefit of the previous owners good ratings. [19:30]
mircea_popescu why not ? [19:30]
mircea_popescu when you buy a business you buy its goodwill too. [19:30]
diametric oh man so tempting a 3d printer I've wanted to try for a while can be bought with bitcoin now. [19:31]
mircea_popescu sometimes people fuck it up, like dice seems to have fucked up /. [19:31]
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nubbins` one of my companies has a WoT identity [19:31]
mircea_popescu diametric and you want us to talk you out of it ? [19:31]
nubbins` to be fair i use it as well, but, shrug [19:31]
ThickAsThieves problem for the business is, [19:32]
Jere_Jones thanks [19:32]
ThickAsThieves people are way mor elikely to leave negative feedback [19:32]
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nubbins` sure, but that's true of individuals too [19:32]
nubbins` how many people have a dozen "-10 FAGGOT SCAMMER" ratings? [19:32]
ThickAsThieves not sure i agree [19:32]
mircea_popescu what is this, php operators ? [19:32]
mircea_popescu everything's > than everything else ? [19:32]
diametric mircea_popescu: yes its probably wise [19:33]
diametric I've run out of real estate to put them [19:33]
diametric until I build out my garage into a machine shop this spring [19:33]
mircea_popescu diametric ok so i'll talk you out of it for a modest fee of 1 btc [19:33]
nubbins` diametric: for the sake of a differing opinion, i think you should purchase the luxury item you don't have room for [19:33]
diametric mircea_popescu: haha [19:33]
diametric nubbins`: i like your style [19:33]
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mircea_popescu didn't blow on them first, go straight to jale [19:34]
mircea_popescu do not pass go do not collect 1 btc fee. [19:34]
nubbins` joke's on you, my lapel is covered in petroleum jelly [19:34]
mircea_popescu lol [19:34]
mircea_popescu diametric you could probably put it in the bedroom anyway [19:35]
mircea_popescu instead of a double bed [19:35]
mircea_popescu which is really not needed [19:35]
mircea_popescu you could have two cots [19:35]
mircea_popescu or bunk beds [19:35]
diametric haha [19:35]
nubbins` anyway regarding this growing weed business, it's probably not a great way to make money. so regulation, much red tape [19:35]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the co licenses are worth about 10x what they cost atm. [19:36]
kakobrekla based on what [19:36]
nubbins` are they xferable? [19:36]
mircea_popescu what ppl'd pay to get one [19:36]
mircea_popescu well, it's iffy. [19:36]
nubbins` nod [19:36]
nubbins` iffy is a precursor to no [19:36]
bones` diametric, did you say what you planned on printing? [19:36]
mircea_popescu depends. people sell ips for instance. [19:36]
nubbins` the other thing is that all this shit is still 100% illegal on the federal level [19:36]
diametric bones`: lots of things, though i already have 9 3d printers [19:37]
diametric wait i think its 9, i lost count [19:37]
mircea_popescu the entire point is the destruction of the federal level. [19:37]
nubbins` DEA bandaleros can technically (if not practically) swoop in whenever they wish [19:37]
diametric nubbins`: i hope they would [19:37]
bones` Then you definitely should buy another, who has 9 of something? Have 10. [19:37]
nubbins` why? fuck the dea [19:37]
diametric nubbins`: not for the reasons you think [19:37]
nubbins` do tell [19:37]
diametric They need to do that, so someone with time and money can challenge that shit [19:37]
mircea_popescu but for different reasons altogether ? [19:37]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, story of my life [19:37]
mircea_popescu diametric let them consolidate a few years first. [19:38]
nubbins` plenty of money then [19:38]
diametric yeah [19:38]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: I don't remember, but I didn't think Apocalyptic was in the tournament. [19:38]
nubbins` there's a guy in my city who has a massive hydroponic lettuce operation [19:38]
diametric I feel like the feds plan is just to loom over the industry to cast doubt on it, but only rarely try to enforce it at the federal level. [19:38]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: then my record remains 0-1 [19:38]
mircea_popescu diametric the federal plan is to try and survive. [19:39]
diametric its fucking ridiculous marijuana is a schedule 1 drug [19:39]
mircea_popescu which is difficult already [19:39]
nubbins` and i know of several people who currently have grow licenses from health canada [19:39]
* nubbins` thinks [19:39]
nubbins` city bylaws would realistically be the only other obstacle [19:39]
Apocalyptic how come i'm not in the tournament ? [19:39]
nubbins` but i mean, just move the farm outside the city. 15 minute drive and you're in the sticks [19:40]
nubbins` security costs plummet then, as well [19:40]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic i thinkj they started it like 6 weeks ago [19:40]
nubbins` at least a month ago, likely more [19:40]
nubbins` anyway [19:40]
Apocalyptic I remember playing BingoBoingo well before that [19:40]
nubbins` you're looking at this from the perspective of buying a license and selling it, not from the perspective of actually financing a legal grow-op [19:41]
KRS-One city bylaws = ordinances [19:41]
nubbins` correct? [19:41]
KRS-One .bait [19:41]
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nubbins` heh [19:42]
nubbins` .wait [19:42]
mircea_popescu nubbins` assets are assets. [19:42]
nubbins` nod [19:42]
mircea_popescu seems it's a better deal than buy a miner, which is worth less in time [19:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00085597 = 3.7663 BTC [-] [19:42]
jcpham aww snap we 'minin [19:43]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic gotta ask BingoBoingo then, he's been butchering the championship management. [19:43]
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nubbins` well, if you feel like doing it in .ca, you know a canadian who can wrangle things. got about 6 months to make a killing before competition pushes profit down to a minimum [19:43]
mircea_popescu it's an entire apparatus, not as simple as one guy sadly. [19:44]
BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: We played well before the tournament started I believe. It was this thing started on a whim as a four player round robin. truffles nubbins` and myself were in MP's spec I believe and then Namworld was online at the exact right time. Since we need some sort of three way tiebreaker if nubbins` loses to everyone... Fuck it, five way round robin. [19:44]
nubbins` oh, totally, you'd need a dozen or so people at the least [19:44]
nubbins` i've got a brown thumb anyway, the best i'd be able to do is pull together a team on your behalf [19:45]
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Apocalyptic alright [19:46]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: "if" i lose to everyone [19:46]
nubbins` such delicate wording ;D [19:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.063 = 0.756 BTC [-] [19:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10890 @ 0.00085652 = 9.3275 BTC [+] {3} [19:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6323 @ 0.00085477 = 5.4047 BTC [-] {2} [19:49]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Well, truffles is in this thing. [19:49]
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