Forum logs for 19 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
The20YearIRCloud One of the guys that always supports crap like that whom I talk to once in a while works for apple [00:00]
The20YearIRCloud Always funny him defending their 20%+ margin yet slamming walmart for their 5.6% and exxon's 8% [00:00]
kakobrekla 20? did ya forget a zero there? [00:00]
mircea_popescu yeah, apple, the world's most successful dropshipper. [00:01]
mircea_popescu they really should be on ebay. [00:01]
mircea_popescu AAA+++pple. [00:01]
The20YearIRCloud Last time i checked it was a 20% net operating margin [00:01]
The20YearIRCloud 21.3% in q2 2013 [00:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla they got a lotta useless employees you see. [00:02]
jurov mircea_popescu: you can use 11 point polynomial, if you insist [00:02]
mircea_popescu is that 10 arbitrary power operations ? [00:03]
mircea_popescu i want something with like 3 additions and a division. [00:03]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [00:04]
jurov or lol, if the platform has good rng, do monte carlo [00:04]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 416.0, Best ask: 417.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 417.98, 24 hour volume: 18805.13675508, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.20570792 [00:04]
thestringpuller awww [00:04]
thestringpuller i was hoping to see cheaper coins [00:05]
mircea_popescu how much cheaper lol [00:05]
mircea_popescu 410 is cheaper than 490, which is cheaper thjan the 500s it was which is cheaper than 700 etc [00:05]
thestringpuller like 10 dollar coins [00:06]
thestringpuller I miss 2012 [00:06]
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mircea_popescu lmao [00:06]
mircea_popescu miss scarlet, you've had a child now, and you ain't never gonna be 17 and a half again [00:06]
mircea_popescu not no mo'. [00:06]
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thestringpuller !b9 [00:09]
thestringpuller !b 9 [00:09]
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BingoBoingo [00:11]
assbot Techies Are Now Panhandling For Funding [00:11]
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mircea_popescu it's not panhandling, it's being creative and changing the world revolutionizing,. [00:12]
BingoBoingo lol [00:14]
mircea_popescu really ycombinator's celebration of the uber scammors sordid approach is the moment there. [00:15]
mircea_popescu everything after that's just immitation. [00:15]
thestringpuller i thought that was facebook... [00:15]
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mircea_popescu "When forces that are hostile to socialism try to turn the development of some socialist country towards capitalism, it becomes not only a problem of the country concerned, but a common problem and concern of all socialist countries." [00:18]
mircea_popescu the brejnev doctrine survived both brejnev and the soviet union! give the guy obama's nobel prize i say. [00:18]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [00:21]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.66, Best ask: 433.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 431.2, 24 hour volume: 19974.69850384, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.818620067 [00:21]
mircea_popescu well that was exciting. [00:22]
los_pantalones long puts [00:22]
los_pantalones = [00:22]
los_pantalones suck ass [00:22]
mike_c long puts = short difficulty [00:22]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [00:22]
gribble Current Blocks: 321405 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1154 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35364022510.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.55293 [00:22]
mircea_popescu seriously, the sort of imbecile that came up with this plan to push btc downwards on pure spin, while the diff is up bitbet is pointing the other way... [00:23]
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mircea_popescu think more, desk people. hire BingoBoingo. do something, on your own you're worthless. [00:23]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [00:24]
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BingoBoingo %t [00:25]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [00:25]
BingoBoingo %ob [00:25]
atcbot 45k@282 8k@260 2k@245 | 80k@198 6k@194 12k@190 [00:25]
BingoBoingo %v [00:25]
atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 221 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 181 [00:25]
BingoBoingo %d [00:26]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300997.11 in 1009 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.97 [00:26]
ThickAsThieves maybe one day i'll be employable [00:26]
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ThickAsThieves til then, blowstamps! [00:27]
mircea_popescu gotta build it. [00:27]
mircea_popescu you don't become employable by aging, you're not wine. [00:28]
ThickAsThieves was kinda joking [00:28]
ThickAsThieves i'm employable, just not by you [00:28]
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ThickAsThieves nor do i really want to be employed [00:29]
ThickAsThieves in the literal sense at least [00:29]
Duffer1 scotland polls closed, counting time [00:29]
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ThickAsThieves rather, in the contemporary sense [00:30]
mircea_popescu well sure but one never know what kids be reading, get the wrong idea. [00:30]
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ThickAsThieves indeed [00:31]
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los_pantalones mircea_popescu [00:45]
los_pantalones [00:45]
los_pantalones bet on the bet [00:45]
los_pantalones on the bet [00:45]
nubbins` heh [00:46]
assbot Place prediction on: Will Berkshire bet resolve to YES [00:46]
BingoBoingo Best Marketing Evar!!! [00:46]
los_pantalones or is this blatant theft of contract specs ? [00:47]
BingoBoingo [00:47]
assbot Good, Honest Football: Re-Watching the XFL | Mental Floss [00:47]
BingoBoingo los_pantalones: No, great Marketing on BitBet that its competitors have to make bets on BitBet bets [00:48]
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ben_vulpes ;;ticker [00:52]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.93, Best ask: 428.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 428.0, 24 hour volume: 21423.75818318, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.700539902 [00:53]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [00:54]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 428.5, vol: 21444.53124745 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 414.747, vol: 13295.37209 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.62, vol: 37599.14920367 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.956013, vol: 30340.54810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.18147, vol: 18.12199892 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 430.036238742, vol: 167.41885582 | Volume-weighted last average: 427.423087606 [00:55]
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mircea_popescu los_pantalones lol k [01:02]
mircea_popescu i suppose its sensible, bitbet is a good signal source. [01:02]
mircea_popescu better than the usg at any rate/ [01:02]
mircea_popescu or is this blatant theft of contract specs ? << nah, bitbet is designed/intended as a backstop for an infinity of independent repackagers/customer oriented bookies and assorted venues. [01:03]
mircea_popescu let people serve their own customers as best they can, and let them have a liquid and powerful marketplace where to unload unwanted risk. [01:04]
mircea_popescu it's a winning model. [01:04]
mircea_popescu also completely winds kakobrekla's gui arguments, but this time from the right direction :)) [01:04]
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los_pantalones welp, tempus fuck it, i'm out of here [01:08]
los_pantalones night boys [01:08]
* asciilifeform wonders why folks always say they'd like to be 'employable' rather than 'fed and sheltered' [01:09]
mircea_popescu there's a difference between being loved and being useful. [01:09]
asciilifeform the common rat, mouse, is neither loved nor useful, fed & sheltered still. [01:10]
mircea_popescu no, the mouse feeds itself. [01:10]
asciilifeform from your kitchen, yes. [01:10]
mircea_popescu "your" [01:10]
mircea_popescu apparently it wasn't as your as all that. [01:11]
asciilifeform right. [01:11]
mircea_popescu might of mouse makes right. [01:11]
asciilifeform !b 6 [01:11]
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thestringpuller look at mp and asciilifeform droppin' dat wisdom shit up in here [01:11]
mircea_popescu "This event was created to demonstrate the different betting systems. We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site." [01:13]
mircea_popescu wtf must one be smoking lol [01:13]
asciilifeform speaking of whizzdum - recently read about 'luer's connector' and discovered that some of today's medicine men are campaigning to have it abolished. because dumbshit orderlies can't be trusted not to plug an x hose into a y port (e.g., x == blood 'in' and y == piss 'out') [01:14]
asciilifeform so homo americanus answers, gotta have 11111enty different plugs, one for each bodily secretion, medical concoction, and direction of desired flow [01:15]
asciilifeform stimulate economy !11! [01:15]
mircea_popescu this is how gasoline works. [01:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well, petrol vs diesel, yes [01:16]
mircea_popescu it has actually happened to me once that dumbass gas station kid put diesel in gasoline v8 engine [01:16]
mircea_popescu at a time that was rare and expensive. [01:16]
mircea_popescu i also know first hand of a case where sleepy truck driver put gasoline in his truck. figured it out after ~200 liters in. had to suck it back out [01:17]
mircea_popescu took a day. [01:17]
asciilifeform afaik you can still do that with the american nozzles [01:18]
mircea_popescu in europe it's mostly impossible to fit them x-way [01:19]
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ThickAsThieves "We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site. " i cant even think of what that might mean [01:26]
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ThickAsThieves that theyll get 2000btc+? [01:27]
mircea_popescu i have nfi. [01:27]
mircea_popescu maybe they figure starting over at weight 100k is somehow going to overrule starting over at 0 pool. [01:28]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: line operators must be protected from themselves, too, lest the company be held liable for their idiocy. "actuation button A 2.5 ft to the right of press, B 2.5 to the left, press does not fire unless both actuation buttons are pressed together" [01:29]
ben_vulpes i always enjoyed imagining the creative ways people might try to circumvent my anti-idiot devices. [01:29]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i was just about to say. [01:29]
ben_vulpes probably the only enjoyable part of that job. [01:30]
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ben_vulpes now i've given up on jobs being enjoyable. [01:30]
asciilifeform typically at the end of the day there's a crowbar strategically holding down both... [01:30]
ben_vulpes gotta release the press eventually. [01:30]
asciilifeform also, [01:30]
asciilifeform [01:30]
assbot Logged on 07-08-2014 04:57:13; asciilifeform: in oil prospecting, salvage diving, etc. there is a concept where safety measures that the crew will not follow because they 'seen ridiculous' - are useless [01:30]
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asciilifeform ^ originally described in one of naggum's pieces [01:31]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it usually comes down to duct tape [01:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1304 @ 0.00071999 = 0.9389 BTC [+] [01:42]
TheNewDeal ;;ticker [01:45]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 419.08, Best ask: 420.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 419.08, 24 hour volume: 22116.05561929, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 430.465775042 [01:45]
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mircea_popescu [01:53]
assbot xkcd: e to the pi Minus pi [01:53]
mircea_popescu old xkcd's are much better. [01:53]
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TheNewDeal ;;calc e^pi-pi [02:05]
gribble Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. [02:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform here's one for you. [02:05]
assbot xkcd: Color Codes [02:05]
mircea_popescu ;;calc e**pi-pi [02:05]
gribble 19.9990999792 [02:05]
asciilifeform ahah [02:08]
asciilifeform yeah i remember that one.. [02:08]
asciilifeform goes great with lawrence oates and his 'I am just going outside and may be some time.' [02:09]
BingoBoingo << Apple's warrant canary disappears, No Big Deal is the report [02:09]
assbot No, Apple probably didnt get new secret govt orders to hand over data | Ars Technica [02:09]
mircea_popescu uh [02:09]
mircea_popescu im behind. what canary ? [02:09]
bounce the canary got NSLed [02:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You know the notice that says you haven't been issued a warrant, that disappears when you have. Apple's diappeared. [02:10]
mircea_popescu i didn't know there was a notice [02:11]
mircea_popescu where is this notice ? [02:11]
BingoBoingo Here's a sample one. I've never seen apple's but Ars is reporting it disappeared [02:12]
mircea_popescu "While Apple won't confirm it, the company has removed its warrant canary from its latest transparency report, issued this week. While this could mean that the company has received a new secret government order to provide user data, there is still another more likely possibility: it's not publishing warrant canaries at all." [02:12]
mircea_popescu more probable on the basis of what the fuck exactly ? [02:12]
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mircea_popescu jesus that country's gotten more byzantine [02:14]
mircea_popescu this is some prime soviet rib [02:14]
BingoBoingo It really is. [02:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prime soviet rib << the whole 'canary' thing is just the last remnants of 'rule of law' going down the drain, gurgling - like the fabled 'last shit made with home food' of a prisoner [02:16]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [02:16]
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mircea_popescu i had somehow completely missed this particular spot [02:17]
mircea_popescu likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits [02:17]
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BingoBoingo lulz [02:20]
assbot apoefjmqdsfls comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on [02:20]
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BingoBoingo Oh wikipedia has a recycling bin [02:22]
assbot Mircea Popescu [02:22]
[]bot Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" [02:23]
chetty likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits// that will be the day [02:29]
mircea_popescu lol [02:29]
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TheNewDeal yes pays 1.46... dayam [02:32]
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ThickAsThieves Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" /// noooooooooo [02:33]
ThickAsThieves bitbet hurricane insurance open for business! [02:33]
TheNewDeal hahaha. maybe nfl injury is next [02:34]
ThickAsThieves [02:34]
assbot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [02:34]
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kakobrekla [02:35]
kakobrekla so eager. [02:35]
assbot TeamFairlay comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on [02:35]
kakobrekla first fairlay, then moose responds... [02:36]
TheNewDeal and then betmoose follows [02:36]
TheNewDeal hahah [02:36]
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TheNewDeal funny because people were just talking about scamsites that disappear over night, e.g. [02:36]
TheNewDeal " placed a small bet on No early on, due to the weight. I believe the bet will resolve as Yes, but the payout on No was great at the time. [02:37]
TheNewDeal I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time." [02:37]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla will end up with them killing each other over who's the real true inheritor of bitbet [02:39]
ThickAsThieves so many posts in that reddit start with 'i dont have a clue wtf i'm talmbout, but..." [02:39]
mircea_popescu "but I'm on reddit, so" ? [02:39]
ThickAsThieves "but i'm hoping you'll think so anyway" [02:40]
mircea_popescu that smbc comic is basically bitbet bet process. [02:40]
TheNewDeal some bets do need lots of clarification, almost immediately [02:41]
asciilifeform in the style of mircea_popescu's 'cryptogram' puzzlers: [02:41]
asciilifeform [02:41]
assbot Kriptogram! - Imgur [02:41]
ThickAsThieves teamfairlay = we are awesomer because you can bet however you want, with 100s of satoshis on the line! [02:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform one word ? [02:42]
asciilifeform only hint - pertains to something actually discussed today. [02:42]
asciilifeform two words. [02:42]
kakobrekla not a waterfall ? [02:43]
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mircea_popescu eaglecanaris lol [02:43]
asciilifeform nope. [02:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu nearly ruined it [02:43]
penguirker New blog post: [02:44]
mircea_popescu IM TRYING TO SOLVE IT! [02:44]
TheNewDeal united nazis [02:44]
mircea_popescu nah it has to do with apple [02:44]
mircea_popescu american canaries ? [02:44]
asciilifeform perhaps BingoBoingo can solve it now [02:44]
ThickAsThieves veblen canary? [02:44]
mircea_popescu seal canaries ? [02:44]
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kakobrekla the flags looks like waterfall to me. [02:45]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla it's a waterscam [02:45]
ThickAsThieves motherland canaries [02:45]
asciilifeform << answer rot13'd [02:46]
assbot jneenag pnanevrf - [02:46]
asciilifeform damn [02:46]
ThickAsThieves neato [02:46]
BingoBoingo lol [02:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol now you know how i felt. [02:47]
mircea_popescu for about a year running, 100 or so of these [02:47]
mircea_popescu people solved them in ~1 hour. [02:47]
mircea_popescu took me days to come up with them [02:47]
asciilifeform this one sorta forced itself into my skullcase [02:48]
mircea_popescu yup same thing. [02:48]
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BingoBoingo [02:50]
assbot Man in Standoff With Texas Police Is Sending Live Updates From Whisper [02:50]
mircea_popescu best thing that could ever happen for whisper. [02:50]
mircea_popescu i wonder how long before they start paying people to do this [02:50]
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mircea_popescu "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?" [02:51]
asciilifeform laugh if you like, but this sod did not sign with key known to be his... [02:51]
mircea_popescu heh. bad government can ruin anything. [02:51]
asciilifeform so he's really an extra in this film. [02:52]
mircea_popescu wtf is kinja [02:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ""We have confirmation from the interior of the vehicle that this is indeed the guy in the standoff," Slade Sohmer" [02:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's Nick Denton's Facebook knockoff, except super scam [02:53]
mircea_popescu i guess the vehicle is spying on him [02:53]
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kakobrekla ok ok i got it: american waterfall watering nazi zombies! [02:54]
kakobrekla yes? [02:54]
BingoBoingo Waterboard Canary [02:54]
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asciilifeform [02:57]
assbot If Scotland leaves, what happens to UK’s flag? - Ideas - The Boston Globe [02:57]
mircea_popescu why no country has a naked woman for a flag ? [02:57]
asciilifeform someone - has to be first. [02:57]
penguirker New blog post: [02:58]
mircea_popescu i can totally see making stoya the flag of england. [02:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's not a museum; it's a typical medieval-style reliquary. [03:00]
asciilifeform 'sh4rds of th3 tru3 cr0ss' [03:00]
mircea_popescu lol [03:00]
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asciilifeform typical of both roman & greek church folks, oddly enough. [03:01]
asciilifeform << highly relevant [03:02]
asciilifeform ^ was a mega-derp in the russian derposphere; [03:02]
asciilifeform someone posts photo of young fella in kitchen. tonnes of flamage follow [03:02]
asciilifeform about how 'disgusting soviet hovels we lived in!' 'no, you disgusting liberast, fellating american cock' 'no you...' etc [03:02]
mircea_popescu lol [03:03]
asciilifeform turns out, guess who's making tea with milk. [03:03]
mircea_popescu it was pretty sad, [03:03]
asciilifeform and in what country [03:03]
mircea_popescu but it was pretty universal. post ww2 europe was a shithole on par with africa. [03:03]
mircea_popescu just, fortunately, not inhabited by africans. [03:04]
asciilifeform (lenon) [03:04]
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mike_c kakobrekla, anyone hit the affiliate lottery today? [03:08]
kakobrekla the highest was 0.02897384 it seems [03:09]
mike_c so the 1000 was ref free. good for shareholders :) [03:10]
kakobrekla but theres some funky stuff going on with aff. are you getting anything out? [03:10]
mike_c yeah, the above mentioned was me. [03:11]
kakobrekla a, good to hear. [03:11]
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TheNewDeal does anyone know the website that allows one to purchase from amazon with bitcoin by proxy? [03:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 213 @ 0.0075 = 1.5975 BTC [+] [03:16]
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chetty;10.818786621093789&zoom=6 [03:20]
assbot Russian fighters in swedish airspace. Swedish fighters in pursuit. [03:20]
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assbot BitBet - - - [03:22]
asciilifeform lol, mitm proxy ? [03:23]
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mircea_popescu iiincredible, #b-a link but info@su ? [03:24]
mircea_popescu 1JPrww7oTyPr2dk14ep6ZMJaTWUSBpHT3t kakobrekla ours or not ? [03:25]
kakobrekla ours [03:27]
mircea_popescu so it's a weird clone ? odd. [03:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28822 @ 0.00075106 = 21.6471 BTC [+] {2} [03:29]
kakobrekla o fuck. [03:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8199 @ 0.00074984 = 6.1479 BTC [-] [03:30]
asciilifeform also possible that only mitms certain loads. [03:30]
asciilifeform e.g., specific bet, or from specific ip ranges [03:31]
kakobrekla its requesting the address from bitbet server with a referral. [03:32]
mircea_popescu ima write this up brb [03:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.16200262 = 1.296 BTC [-] {4} [03:33]
RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - the deed bot is complete /demo ready, works like a charm. i think moloko wants to clean up a few things, I'll try to get him to drop in tonight to discuss - might be late [03:33]
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mircea_popescu cool. [03:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.16025261 = 1.923 BTC [-] {7} [03:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00075219 = 11.4333 BTC [+] [03:37]
mike_c this was my first experience with romania.. i launched my website and some .ro clone pointing at my server popped up a week later. [03:40]
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mike_c lol, it's out of date. [03:43]
mike_c doesn't have today's action on brk [03:43]
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mike_c silly russians [03:44]
kakobrekla i think it wont allow you to iframe it so i guess he runs some cronjob and parses it over [03:44]
kakobrekla but yeah, you could do it on the fly [03:44]
kakobrekla that is how works [03:45]
assbot BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 1 year 7 months ago [03:45]
asciilifeform wtf is that [03:46]
kakobrekla oh, well ask mp. [03:46]
mircea_popescu << looking for comments [03:49]
assbot Here’s a mystery the Internet may wish to help elucidating. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [03:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform bfl scammer, had a deal with and other similar junklets to make a fake bfl will deliver bet, then call it "unresolvable" and cancel if they don't. [03:50]
mircea_popescu once the divergence between bitbet and the rest was painfully obvious, bfl put 500+ btc on bitbet, then failed to deliver. bitbet didn't cancel their bet. [03:51]
mircea_popescu cue six weeks campaign about how "bitbet is a scam" and the burial of the actual scams, from high to low. [03:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7745 @ 0.00074984 = 5.8075 BTC [-] [03:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29860 @ 0.00074928 = 22.3735 BTC [-] {2} [03:58]
ThickAsThieves why does something have to be going on other than a guy that wants to get as many referrals as possible (insecure methods aside) [03:59]
mircea_popescu why is he using the glbse/theymos addy ? [03:59]
ThickAsThieves because he is one of them [04:00]
mircea_popescu why do this then ?! [04:00]
ThickAsThieves what should he do? [04:00]
mircea_popescu i mean... for any conceivable goal there's a better approach [04:00]
kakobrekla its a good idea really. he gets all the money, bitbet does all the work. i wish i came up with it! [04:00]
mircea_popescu i dunno, make abunch of mfa sites ? [04:00]
ThickAsThieves seems like a great setup, he can copycat while getting referrals and then one day cash that in by selectively scamming [04:01]
ThickAsThieves and then full scam [04:01]
mircea_popescu so then wouldn't you have used some new addresses ? [04:01]
ThickAsThieves well you now are adding that he is a smart scammer [04:01]
ThickAsThieves the glbse guy [04:01]
mircea_popescu so if he's that dumb how did he manage to make the clone work. [04:02]
ThickAsThieves filed under smart in your records? [04:02]
ThickAsThieves i wouldnt hire my plumber to do my taxes? [04:02]
mircea_popescu hm. [04:02]
mircea_popescu i dunno man, it's so fucking weird... [04:02]
ThickAsThieves scammers are pretty weird [04:03]
ThickAsThieves so are foreigners [04:03]
mircea_popescu so are whores. maybe it's a whore ? [04:03]
ThickAsThieves could be [04:03]
mircea_popescu cats are also pretty weird... [04:03]
ThickAsThieves probly just mike_c tho [04:03]
mircea_popescu maybe it's a cat. [04:03]
mircea_popescu yeah is one of you asshats trolling me ? [04:03]
kakobrekla cats leave paw traces. [04:03]
ThickAsThieves is probly the "can you understand an engine guy" [04:04]
ThickAsThieves " guy [04:04]
mircea_popescu lol at that glowfrost redditard. "oh, all the bitbet scam reports". [04:05]
mircea_popescu except no bitbet scam reports exist, but for libertard heaven there's no need to actually have anything at all. you can just make a sum of all the things you don't have. [04:05]
mircea_popescu like the global warming consensus. [04:05]
ThickAsThieves scam reporters are notoriously a scam [04:05]
ThickAsThieves like BBB [04:05]
ThickAsThieves fukn scum [04:05]
kakobrekla you just reported a scam as as scam, you scammer. [04:06]
ThickAsThieves this is not investment advice! [04:06]
mike_c heh, me doing the scam site? plz. btcalpha is more up to date than that thing. [04:06]
mike_c although i did scam BB once. [04:07]
ThickAsThieves can one site change another site's cookie? [04:07]
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mike_c aw, it's gone. [04:07]
mike_c but fun for pranks: [04:08]
assbot SHRTURL - The web editor [04:08]
mike_c ThickAsThieves: no. [04:08]
mike_c enforced by browser ofc, like all web sekurity [04:09]
penguirker New blog post: [04:09]
kakobrekla btw the content on .su is like 10 days old [04:09]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not on any browser made after msie 4.0 [04:09]
mike_c they get bored quickly. how did you find it? usually they don't get much traffic [04:09]
mircea_popescu what i don't get is the partial russian translation here and there [04:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.0007285 = 0.7285 BTC [+] {3} [04:10]
mike_c oh, derp. ic on trilema [04:10]
kakobrekla mike_c googlefu. [04:11]
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kakobrekla what i don't get is the partial russian translation here and there < my guess is it wants to justify its legitimacy by providing translation service. [04:12]
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mike_c any of those guys russian? theymos, nefario, etc.? [04:12]
mircea_popescu okay, but a) it's such a huge red flag for either russian or english speakers, [04:12]
mircea_popescu mike_c nah, they're both brits, and both bums [04:12]
mircea_popescu kinda how they met. [04:12]
mircea_popescu and b) who the fuck translates "do" [04:13]
kakobrekla my guess is thermos is not a bum with the forum coins. [04:13]
mike_c must be crappy machine translation. ascii? [04:13]
mircea_popescu you have no idea how fast bums can go through widnfalls. [04:14]
mike_c also, did you try emailing them yet? [04:14]
kakobrekla "Hello dear beloved scammer. Can you stop it pretty please?" ? [04:15]
mircea_popescu email is kako's dept, and i think he prefers the passive role. [04:15]
kakobrekla yeah, i have been degraded to secretary and now i take it up the ass too. [04:16]
mircea_popescu omg :( [04:16]
kakobrekla wait, isn that the passive mode?! [04:17]
mircea_popescu you have a dirty mind :D [04:17]
mike_c i was thinking more like 'i c you are valuable affiliate partner, who are you?' [04:18]
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mircea_popescu mike_c here's the problem : would you credit anything they said ? [04:18]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't, which is why i didn't email. [04:18]
mike_c depends on what they said. more communication = more opportunities for slipup/information. [04:19]
mircea_popescu or the feint thereof. [04:20]
mike_c unless you just want to put them on the ignore list. [04:20]
mike_c my thoughts go down the path of: 1) start pinging their site, see when it updates. 2) correlate with my server logs and see where they are scraping from [04:21]
mircea_popescu you can;t stop scraping. [04:21]
mike_c of course. you can report them to google (and maybe even yandex?) [04:22]
mircea_popescu actually them being obscure is their main advantage, which is a large part of why i wrote about it [04:23]
mircea_popescu there's kinda 0 incentive to report them from a game pov. [04:23]
mike_c depends where they get traffic from. if they are pushing seo hard maybe they will be ranking higher than you. [04:24]
mircea_popescu yeah, lol. that'll happen. [04:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00074975 = 9.4843 BTC [+] [04:24]
mike_c i don't know how resistant yandex is to black hat seo. [04:24]
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mircea_popescu hey kako [04:25]
assbot xkcd: Collecting Double-Takes [04:25]
TheNewDeal oh my, the hidden text is quality on that one [04:28]
mike_c big lol. ty for pointing that out. [04:28]
kakobrekla .su mentioned on the forum [04:32]
assbot Теханализ и не только [04:32]
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kakobrekla in april. [04:34]
decimation asciilifeform: your algorithm is a simple version of the "cordic algorithm" which is in use by nearly all dsp pros [04:36]
mircea_popescu !up tokyopotato [04:37]
-assbot- You voiced tokyopotato for 30 minutes. [04:37]
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tokyopotato thanks [04:37]
tokyopotato i really need to figure out this WoT thing [04:38]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla that shit promises to get nasty. [04:38]
mircea_popescu people might not spot us/su [04:38]
kakobrekla >We have a lot of security measures designed to prevent theft of Bitcoins, and recently we've had a bug with the security measures that sometimes causes withdrawals to get stuck. It's been hard to diagnose, because often it's just a handful of withdrawals that get stuck, which doesn't give us a lot of diagnostic data. We actually did an update today that we think might resolve the issue, but we won't know for sure until time passes and [04:40]
kakobrekla we don't see more stuck withdrawals. [04:40]
kakobrekla security measures so complex they cant understand them them selfs? [04:40]
mircea_popescu who's this ? [04:41]
kakobrekla kraken [04:41]
mircea_popescu lol k [04:41]
kakobrekla this has been going on for half a year now [04:41]
kakobrekla i dont use them ,just reding up. [04:41]
TheNewDeal holy shit [04:42]
TheNewDeal is this just a raw translation of bitbet, or is it some scamsite? [04:42]
kakobrekla and the response re bug: Dargo, thanks for your fast reply. That speak loud. Many other exchanges are run by monkeys with funny hats! I'll sure look up for unleashing the kraken Smiley [04:43]
* kakobrekla goes to find the silly hat [04:43]
kakobrekla only the package matters! [04:44]
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mircea_popescu !up SubCreative [04:44]
-assbot- You voiced SubCreative for 30 minutes. [04:44]
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SubCreative ;;ident [04:44]
gribble Nick 'SubCreative', with hostmask 'SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin', is not identified. [04:44]
SubCreative Hola [04:44]
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TheNewDeal looks like all the bitstamp bots have gone to sleep [04:44]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know the stuff's usually paid posting [04:44]
kakobrekla TheNewDeal read the trilema article [04:44]
mircea_popescu SubCreative hello. who are you ? [04:44]
mircea_popescu !up jamesonwa [04:44]
-assbot- You voiced jamesonwa for 30 minutes. [04:44]
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SubCreative Dev of Cannacoin [04:45]
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kakobrekla actually i dont think its paid since if you want to get anything done with kraken you must post a some sort of 'complaint' to ze forum. [04:45]
mircea_popescu whassat ? [04:45]
SubCreative Alt crypto for the Cannabis industry. [04:45]
jamesonwa Crypto for cannabis [04:45]
mircea_popescu i had no idea it was an industry [04:45]
jamesonwa ;;ident [04:46]
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jamesonwa ;;eauth jamesonwa [04:46]
mircea_popescu what, and high times is a trade rag ? [04:46]
gribble Request successful for user jamesonwa, hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Get your encrypted OTP from [04:46]
jamesonwa ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:57b01a63a263be6509b5b9a923194473e0b1a45b0cacd9168fc0dc72 [04:46]
gribble You are now authenticated for user jamesonwa with key EE5B1CCF6A25351D [04:46]
jamesonwa ;;ident [04:46]
gribble Nick 'jamesonwa', with hostmask 'jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226', is identified as user 'jamesonwa', with GPG key id EE5B1CCF6A25351D, key fingerprint CA46000F350C11A8345811EEEE5B1CCF6A25351D, and bitcoin address 1GeB8nwdHu5ykF8CZf8xQ7gQiUQrycyq4S [04:46]
danielpbarron why shouldn't the "cannabis industry" use bitcoin? [04:46]
kakobrekla why does the cannabis industry need a coin of its own? [04:46]
TheNewDeal EXACTLY what I was just typing [04:46]
jamesonwa It's not industry specific to our needs. [04:46]
kakobrekla will you make the password unforgettable? [04:46]
SubCreative ;;ident [04:46]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'SubCreative', with hostmask 'SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin', is identified as user 'Peezr', with GPG key id 4AE29B6BC467562C, key fingerprint E13615BBDDEC143A5CA5A5AC4AE29B6BC467562C, and bitcoin address 15xY1HTs66r7VwYi6ntAA3hZu3mnmVwBFv [04:46]
mircea_popescu a coin with unrememberable passwords may be fun [04:46]
kakobrekla does it use proof of smoke? [04:47]
SubCreative Where are you from mircea? [04:47]
TheNewDeal on a scale of 1 to 10, how is cannacoin's usability? [04:47]
TheNewDeal test [04:47]
danielpbarron what? the industry needs it's own curreny to debase? What "needs" does Bitcoin not fulfill? [04:48]
SubCreative Im from Seattle, WA one of two legal recreational states for marijuana. [04:48]
decimation cannabis in the us cannot be purchased with 'bank dollars' [04:48]
mircea_popescu SubCreative romania. [04:48]
decimation because banks are federally regulated and pot is federally illegal [04:48]
kakobrekla decimation whats wrong with buttcoin [04:48]
SubCreative Bitcoin is too slow for real world transactions. [04:48]
TheNewDeal it's easy enough to stick an atm in a weed shop [04:48]
decimation lol [04:48]
SubCreative And it's not just a currency, we're a network offering tools and services. [04:48]
mircea_popescu so how fast is this thing ? [04:48]
decimation he's a tool [04:48]
SubCreative Im currently developing an entire merchant processing solution and custom trade service. [04:49]
SubCreative Just for our merchants in the industry of cannabis. [04:49]
decimation in theory one could operate a bitcoin<-> usd atm in a pot shop [04:49]
tokyopotato ;;eauth tokyopotato [04:49]
gribble Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. [04:49]
danielpbarron SubCreative, a Bitcoin transaction is practically instantaneous -- you'll have to come up with a better pitch than that for your scamcoin if you want to attract any suckers [04:49]
TheNewDeal lets say I'm a dispensary purchasing 2kg of medical grade cannabis from a supplier. Is bitcoin too slow? [04:49]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal can take half an hour... [04:50]
SubCreative danielpbarron: You can try to think of it any way you want, we've been around for ~6 months already with no premine and no serious pump/dumps [04:50]
BingoBoingo [04:50]
assbot Seriously though, is that not a Yes vote on top of the No pile??? /hashtag/indyref?src=hash [04:50]
SubCreative so scam or pump/dump is kind of out of the question by now... [04:50]
decimation colorado already has coloradocoin [04:50]
assbot Marijuana Legalization: Colorado Pot Banking Law Passed [04:50]
tokyopotato there's many applications for blockchain tech other than currency [04:50]
tokyopotato so someone makes their own blockchain? what's the fucking big deal? [04:51]
SubCreative TheNewDeal: we're not here to replace BTC [04:51]
tokyopotato jesus chris you guys need to quit pissing your pants [04:51]
mircea_popescu SubCreative ever seen ? [04:51]
SubCreative We're here to support and and be apart of the network. [04:51]
assbot The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:51]
danielpbarron oh 6 months? well then it couldn't possibly be a scam! how long did gox last? [04:51]
decimation there's no problem with altcoins. I am pissing on the idea that they will ever be worth anything [04:51]
SubCreative danielpbarron: save it, you guys asked. [04:51]
SubCreative I came to participate in a bitcoin-assets channel... [04:52]
decimation this ain't 2011 anymore, the ship has sailed [04:52]
mircea_popescu SubCreative simmer down lol, people just hate new ideas. [04:52]
tokyopotato like Ripple? [04:53]
danielpbarron SubCreative, i'm "participating" right back at you :p [04:53]
SubCreative danielpbarron, your the same troll from OTC [04:53]
cazalla what's with every andreas wannabe spouting "blockchain technology" [04:53]
The20YearIRCloud I will replace bitcoin with supercoin [04:53]
SubCreative Im not unfamiliar to your name [04:53]
mircea_popescu cazalla what'd you have it be, iron plows ? this ain't 2011 bc anymore. [04:53]
* danielpbarron is flattered to have such a reputation in -otc [04:54]
tokyopotato cazalla: maybe you would prefer "ledger" or "consensus tracker" [04:54]
xmj ben_vulpes: around? [04:54]
SubCreative It's not a good one :- [04:54]
SubCreative ;;gettrust danielpbarron [04:54]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron! Trust relationship from user Peezr to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 8 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013 [04:54]
SubCreative ;;gettrust Peezr [04:55]
jamesonwa ;;gettrust jamesonwa [04:55]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user Peezr to user Peezr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 63 via 42 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Jul 4 16:54:20 2013 [04:55]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Trust relationship from user jamesonwa to user jamesonwa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 171 via 106 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Nov 5 23:09:47 2012 [04:55]
SubCreative Go home danielpbarron [04:55]
TheNewDeal just curious. was blazedout419 involved in any development of these weedalts? [04:55]
tokyopotato ? [04:55]
jamesonwa no [04:55]
SubCreative blazed is just an og smokin og [04:55]
jamesonwa I think he has his hands in physical coins [04:55]
danielpbarron ;;gettrust assbot jamesonwa [04:56]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jamesonwa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Nov 5 23:09:47 2012 [04:56]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot jamesonwa [04:56]
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danielpbarron yep; you're a nobody [04:56]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jamesonwa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Nov 5 23:09:47 2012 [04:56]
mircea_popescu o.o superseparated graph. [04:56]
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decimation any altcoin that wants to replace bitcoin as a savings vehicle is going to require overcoming bitcoin's considerable lead in investment, both in terms of expectation of future value and the build-out of proof-of-work devices [04:57]
mircea_popescu ;;rate jamesonwa 1 Voice [04:57]
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BingoBoingo Wait, is the FBI this desperate for TSR leads? First they come to my door all leik, "hurd u leik Bitcoinz" and now People show up on IRC with "This is Bitcoin, but with Weed!" [04:58]
mircea_popescu just because they're after you doesn't mean you're not paranoid. [04:58]
BingoBoingo Yeah [04:58]
TheNewDeal easy phillip k dick [04:59]
mircea_popescu SubCreative so is it scrypt ? [04:59]
jamesonwa scrypt, migrating to PoS. [04:59]
SubCreative Currently, we're moving to a PoS 2.0 model in a few weeks. [04:59]
TheNewDeal BB, weed is legal in some states for the record [04:59]
jamesonwa yes, PoS 2.0 [04:59]
danielpbarron migrating?? ... [04:59]
SubCreative [04:59]
assbot The Cannacoin Podcast - Episode 001 by The Cannacoin Podcast on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds [04:59]
SubCreative yes danielpbarron [04:59]
danielpbarron "don't mind us -- just manipulating your currency" [05:00]
SubCreative That podcast will give you somebackground [05:00]
kakobrekla proof of smoke then, noice. [05:00]
mircea_popescu lol [05:00]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal> BB, weed is legal in some states for the record << Remember, it was the bong that did in Charlie Shrem [05:00]
decimation how much premining has been done? [05:00]
mircea_popescu SubCreative podcasts are a horrible medium. got the transcript somewhere ? [05:00]
tokyopotato 99% decimation [05:00]
SubCreative danielpbarron: last I checked, consensus doesnt' work like that. [05:00]
tokyopotato for fairness [05:00]
SubCreative mircea_popescu: Ill give you a interview that covers some of it. [05:01]
SubCreative,d.cGU [05:01]
TheNewDeal It was a pot brownie, as far as I recall [05:01]
SubCreative,d.cGU [05:01]
SubCreative stupid google [05:01]
mircea_popescu this hurt. [05:01]
TheNewDeal and galavanting around like an asshole [05:01]
SubCreative [05:01]
assbot Cannacoin Interview: A new cryptocurrency contender for the cannabis market - [05:01]
danielpbarron it's probably easy to get consensus for your changes from what few idiots would actually use such a thing, SubCreative [05:02]
tokyopotato TheNewDeal: weed is legal in WA state [05:02]
TheNewDeal I've been there, I smoked it [05:02]
TheNewDeal shows just how horrible an idea it was to legalize [05:02]
tokyopotato TheNewDeal: you should have stopped and hung out with us, you'd have smoked a lot more [05:02]
mircea_popescu << what is this, 2000 ? [05:03]
tokyopotato Well... if you pay for weed, yeah, but if you grow it... that's a bit different [05:03]
assbot xkcd: Online Communities [05:03]
TheNewDeal colorado had the right idea with MJM [05:03]
TheNewDeal took a step back with recreational [05:03]
tokyopotato time will tell [05:03]
TheNewDeal and now washington just shit the bed [05:03]
tokyopotato yup, medical is priority #1 right now in WA [05:03]
tokyopotato for the growers/dispensaries [05:03]
TheNewDeal acting like they couldn't source 1000g of weed after 6 months [05:03]
TheNewDeal a teenager could do such a thing [05:04]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal a teenager could have done the obamacare site, too [05:04]
mircea_popescu what's your point [05:04]
TheNewDeal my point is this [05:04]
TheNewDeal the prices could not compete with street prices [05:04]
decimation why didn't you cannacoin guys consider using ethereum? [05:04]
TheNewDeal the supply couldnt keep up with demand [05:04]
tokyopotato decimation: who says we didn't? [05:05]
ben_vulpes xmj: yessss? [05:05]
decimation okay, well why did you reject ethereum? [05:05]
xmj ben_vulpes: are you looking for anything sysadmin payable in BTC, then? [05:05]
tokyopotato decimation: when did we reject ethereum? [05:05]
SubCreative Its not a rejceted idea by any means. [05:05]
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SubCreative An early untested experiment yes... [05:05]
xmj Also, for once I agree with Paul Graham [05:05]
assbot Political correctness is Victorian propriety with the variables changed. [05:05]
xmj He seems to have been reading Moldbug. [05:06]
mircea_popescu !up BuSheeZy [05:06]
-assbot- You voiced BuSheeZy for 30 minutes. [05:06]
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BuSheeZy :O [05:06]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal of course not. govt can't compete with free market. [05:06]
BuSheeZy thank ya [05:06]
danielpbarron is ethereum even a thing yet? i thought it was still just a pipe dream.. [05:06]
TheNewDeal anyways, would love to meet up with you all the next time I'm in the state [05:06]
decimation "Thomas More: Richard, you couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight." [05:06]
SubCreative danielpbarron, they have live betas [05:06]
SubCreative And a few clients out [05:07]
ThickAsThieves [05:07]
TheNewDeal I actually travel to colorado more frequently [05:07]
tokyopotato TheNewDeal: we would love to have you [05:07]
assbot Dundee counting staff outside after being evacuated due to fire alarm. It looks a little chilly... [05:07]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nipples ? [05:07]
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ThickAsThieves nah [05:07]
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mircea_popescu no click. [05:08]
TheNewDeal ;;rate tokyopotato May be worth a meet in WA. re: log 9/19 02:00 [05:08]
gribble Error: 'May' is not a valid integer. [05:08]
ThickAsThieves poll staff all evacuated during counting [05:08]
TheNewDeal ;;rate tokyopotato 1 May be worth a meet in WA. re: log 9/19 02:00 [05:08]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [05:08]
TheNewDeal eww [05:08]
TheNewDeal who's all in your crew tokyopotato [05:08]
SubCreative assbot has changed mode: -v tokyopotato [05:10]
mircea_popescu !up tokyopotato [05:10]
-assbot- You voiced tokyopotato for 30 minutes. [05:10]
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mircea_popescu gotta get in the wot [05:10]
tokyopotato just reinstalled and got new interwebs [05:10]
tokyopotato kk [05:10]
mircea_popescu make sure you ecologically dispose of the old interwebs [05:11]
tokyopotato lol [05:11]
mircea_popescu don't just throw them on the superhighway [05:11]
tokyopotato yeah buddy, we compost everything in the PNW [05:11]
mircea_popescu i used to compost in romania. people were incensed. [05:11]
tokyopotato ha [05:11]
kakobrekla so i listened bits of that podcast - you need to read all the logs. twice. [05:11]
tokyopotato that's a funny mental image [05:11]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla what is this, 7 years in tibet ? [05:12]
TheNewDeal 7 years in bitbet :D [05:12]
kakobrekla hope it works? [05:12]
TheNewDeal a short novella by thenewdeal [05:12]
tokyopotato you guys have a resident stand-up comedian? [05:12]
asciilifeform decimation: yes. [05:12]
tokyopotato i like this place [05:12]
asciilifeform decimation: what did you think it was - alien magic ? [05:12]
kakobrekla thats in the other closet. [05:12]
decimation asciilifeform: no, just wanted to fyi for the readers [05:13]
mircea_popescu the dongs closet ? [05:13]
decimation << what we are writing about [05:13]
assbot CORDIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [05:13]
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mircea_popescu decimation table lookup!!1 [05:14]
kakobrekla !up SubCreative [05:14]
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SubCreative !network [05:15]
kakobrekla !lollipop [05:15]
mircea_popescu !pippi longstocking [05:15]
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kakobrekla that worked. [05:15]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah that's pretty much the idea. it's amazing that such a seemingly 'approximate' algorithm can be made arbitrarily precise through iteration [05:15]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [05:15]
mircea_popescu decimation no, actually, that's a requirement for numbers to work. [05:16]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: the .su folks are scraping from an identifiable box / ip range ? [05:17]
kakobrekla its coming from the ip that the site is hosted on. [05:17]
asciilifeform mm, classy [05:17]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: feed'em something interesting (let's say mismatched delimiters) & then fetch their turd a few msec after. [05:18]
decimation well, there's nothing like putting a national flag on your pirate ship [05:18]
mircea_popescu ;;isitdown [05:19]
gribble is down [05:19]
asciilifeform decimation: nothing like tossing a gram of antimatter aboard annoying bugger ship [05:19]
mircea_popescu as thestringpuller reports, it's gone. [05:19]
asciilifeform nope [05:19]
asciilifeform works great here. [05:19]
mircea_popescu um ? [05:19]
The20YearIRCloud i wnat antimatter [05:19]
mircea_popescu o.O [05:19]
The20YearIRCloud *want [05:19]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud better stock up on antimattercoin then [05:19]
The20YearIRCloud sweet [05:19]
mircea_popescu it's a coin specific to the industry. plus platform. [05:19]
kakobrekla asciilifeform seems like they only do live fetch when its time to pull an address. anyway, what would be the gain doing that - i fail to see? [05:20]
asciilifeform see if coughs up guts. [05:20]
mircea_popescu he's a hacker at heart. [05:20]
decimation avast! overflow ye buffers! [05:20]
mircea_popescu prolly going to name his child STAN&1=0-- [05:21]
asciilifeform after coughs up guts - haruspicy. [05:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: xkcd did that one already. [05:21]
xmj ben_vulpes: that's a no ? [05:21]
asciilifeform # 327. [05:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform o it also has to be original ?! [05:21]
asciilifeform 'little bobby tables' [05:21]
kakobrekla well i guess we can try but i much doubt anything good will come out of it [05:22]
decimation asciilifeform: apparently altium is going to release a 'free' version of their windows crapware [05:24]
decimation the hook: you can only save to their 'cloud' [05:24]
asciilifeform decimation: loltronics. [05:24]
asciilifeform i bet all the other turdmeisters are ripping their hair out 'why didnchaithinkofthat' [05:25]
decimation this rings a gong for those interested in jumping off the crapware wagon: use kicad [05:25]
asciilifeform now if only kicad worked. [05:25]
decimation it might suck but at least it won't turn your project into a freemium hook [05:25]
decimation plus: can fork, like open bsd apache 1.3 [05:26]
asciilifeform [05:26]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2014 02:35:54; decimation: what part failed - the autorouter? [05:26]
asciilifeform 'geda' is considerably closer to working. [05:26]
asciilifeform but - still no dice. if you're even a little unlucky (like yours truly) and your geometry is just so - geda's polygonal fills fall apart. [05:27]
asciilifeform after several weeks of 'doctor it hurts when i do that / don't do that' i threw in the towel. [05:27]
decimation supposedly the kicad autorouter has been improved [05:28]
decimation but that's like lucy's football [05:28]
asciilifeform since april ? [05:28]
decimation I think so, let me check [05:28]
asciilifeform decimation: don't bother. it isn't just the autorouter. [05:28]
asciilifeform the fucker doesn't even refresh the screen correctly under a perfectly ordinary linux/x11 [05:28]
asciilifeform they don't test linux ver. - is the only possible conclusion. [05:28]
decimation yeah, it's sad that even open source engineering tools are written for microshit [05:29]
decimation but, it is a pretty tall mountain of chairs, if you want to use it for a foundation for something better :) [05:29]
* asciilifeform is quite uninterested in flying on chairs. [05:30]
ben_vulpes what, you don't even get in airplanes? [05:30]
decimation I think that CERN are contributing to kicad these days [05:30]
asciilifeform situations like this are more interesting than appear on surface - because they make it abundantly clear that no one really gives a flying fuck if the thing works or not [05:30]
asciilifeform and if anyone is using it for serious work, they are using a patched version and aren't sharing [05:30]
asciilifeform so hell knows what other gotchas are in the public turdball. [05:31]
decimation apparently they have too many bezzlars/postdocs to do more physics [05:31]
decimation yeah, there's not a working osx port either [05:31]
asciilifeform if any of the humble labs i worked in / toured/ invaded are anything to go by - none of the postdocs design pcb - why?? [05:32]
asciilifeform they use racks and racks of off-the-shelf golden toilet modules and kilometres of cabling [05:33]
decimation asciilifeform: golden toliet [05:33]
decimation if they reset the research budget to $2000 they couldn't afford the bezzle-equipment [05:33]
asciilifeform [05:34]
asciilifeform ^ scenes like this. [05:34]
asciilifeform wasn't hard to dredge up, either. [05:34]
decimation that's probably well over $100k of equipment [05:35]
asciilifeform why bother with pcb routing / etching / subcontracting when monkeys will run cable forever [05:35]
dub that looks like a 3d render of a reason rack [05:35]
mats_cd03 [05:35]
assbot Apple's "Warrant Canary" Has Died - Slashdot [05:35]
decimation asciilifeform: this is largely the case even in electrical engineering labs [05:36]
asciilifeform when these people do design boards (i have seen this, believe or not) it's typically done by a kid with w4r3z cad proggy. [05:36]
dub hmm, last looked at reason a looong time ago [05:36]
decimation asciilifeform: they probably just click the 'autoroute' key [05:36]
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decimation [05:37]
assbot NEVER trust the autorouter | Teespring [05:37]
ben_vulpes ;;ticker [05:39]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 422.1, Best ask: 422.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 422.79, 24 hour volume: 21826.17994814, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 451.4, 24 hour vwap: 428.525841782 [05:39]
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ben_vulpes ;;sell 10 [05:39]
gribble (sell [at|@] []) -- Logs a sell order for units of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message) [05:39]
TheNewDeal ;;market sell 10 [05:39]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4219.4919 USD and would take the last price down to 421.7300 USD, resulting in an average price of 421.9492 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 142.6649 seconds [05:40]
ben_vulpes thanks, TheNewDeal [05:40]
TheNewDeal ;) [05:40]
ben_vulpes ;;market sell 2000 [05:40]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 817749.7190 USD and would take the last price down to 400.1300 USD, resulting in an average price of 408.8749 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 153.0889 seconds [05:40]
ben_vulpes ;;market sell 10000 [05:40]
TheNewDeal ;;market sell 2000000 [05:40]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 3671722.1909 USD and would take the last price down to 270.1200 USD, resulting in an average price of 367.1722 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 162.5575 seconds [05:40]
gribble Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 112732.42 bitcoins, for a total of 4941219.5228 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 162.7177 seconds [05:40]
dub doit [05:40]
TheNewDeal 2 BILLION dollars [05:40]
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ThickAsThieves to the core! [05:40]
ben_vulpes can one model the effect cross-exchange? [05:40]
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ThickAsThieves one could program it, i dont think gribble has such [05:41]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 10 ---market btce [05:41]
gribble (market sell [--fiat] [--market ] [--currency XXX] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, denotes the size of the order in fiat. [05:41]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 10 --market btce [05:41]
gribble (market sell [--fiat] [--market ] [--currency XXX] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, denotes the size of the order in fiat. [05:41]
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ThickAsThieves ;;market sell --market btce --currency 10 [05:42]
gribble Error: '10' is not a valid currency code. [05:42]
dub ;;market sell 10 [--market btce] [05:42]
gribble Error: "--market" is not a valid command. [05:42]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 10 --market btce --currency USD [05:42]
gribble (market sell [--fiat] [--market ] [--currency XXX] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, denotes the size of the order in fiat. [05:42]
ThickAsThieves ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 10 [05:43]
gribble BTC-E | A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4108.8243 USD and would take the last price down to 410.4270 USD, resulting in an average price of 410.8824 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0005 seconds [05:43]
ThickAsThieves nppya! [05:43]
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ben_vulpes wd [05:43]
ben_vulpes ;;market sell --market bitstamp --currency USD 1000 [05:43]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 415085.0852 USD and would take the last price down to 407.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 415.0851 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds [05:43]
ben_vulpes ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 1000 [05:43]
gribble BTC-E | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 191.29848 bitcoins, for a total of 77860.4017 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 33.1611 seconds [05:43]
ThickAsThieves lol [05:43]
ben_vulpes ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 100 [05:44]
gribble BTC-E | A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 40860.7184 USD and would take the last price down to 405.9010 USD, resulting in an average price of 408.6072 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 60.6819 seconds [05:44]
ben_vulpes ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 500 [05:44]
gribble BTC-E | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 191.29848 bitcoins, for a total of 77860.4017 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 66.5407 seconds [05:44]
ben_vulpes apologies for spam. [05:44]
ben_vulpes just plotting points. [05:44]
dub repent spammar [05:44]
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strtupfndr so have i told you about this magical aeroplane? [05:44]
decimation ;;ident strupfndr [05:44]
gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. [05:44]
decimation ;;ident strtupfndr [05:45]
kakobrekla asciilifeform no cigar on the .su but i did inject them with JS turning warning the visitors. [05:45]
gribble Nick 'strtupfndr', with hostmask 'strtupfndr!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified. [05:45]
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decimation !up subcreative [05:45]
strtupfndr it's got wifi and gpg [05:45]
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decimation !up subcreative [05:45]
ben_vulpes anyways. [05:45]
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kakobrekla -turning [05:45]
ben_vulpes is running a consulting shop and sucking dollars out of shartups a short on the bezzle market? [05:46]
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decimation ben_vulpes: I suspect this is how most money is 'made' in silly-con valley [05:47]
ben_vulpes k [05:48]
decimation imagine you just convinced your daddy's golf buddy to give you $100mn in seed money. you are now the 'bitcoin ceo' of your own startup! how do you make your 'idea' work? rent the talent that your roommate from stanford used for his startup! [05:50]
ben_vulpes yeah, precisely. [05:50]
ben_vulpes "i'll take the cash, you can keep the paper." [05:50]
decimation meanwhile hire some 'zeks' and pay the half the median wage for their salary, in exchange for some vague promises of stock [05:50]
gernika I am a consultant in silly-con valley [05:51]
decimation gernika: is it working for you? [05:51]
gernika definitely the way to go IMO [05:51]
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mats_cd03 o boy, Cannacoin [05:51]
ben_vulpes i don't really buy that part decimation. the people who do rounds easily understand the problems of shitty software, and are loath to hire zeks at sub market wages. [05:51]
mats_cd03 save yourselves thousands of hours of dev and just kill it right now [05:52]
ben_vulpes which, i guess, is why they come to me. "please write some not shitty software. i'll pay you 1.25x market just so i can keep the paper and the software and not have to manage the zeks." [05:52]
The20YearIRCloud zeks? Are those like zergs? [05:52]
gernika I don't work with low wage people. [05:52]
decimation lol there you go [05:52]
The20YearIRCloud decimation: that method works great! (1/50th of the time) [05:53]
mike_c ;;market baratio [05:53]
gribble Bitstamp | Total bids: 4947423 USD. Total asks: 26576 BTC. Ratio: 186.15534 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 12.5409 seconds [05:53]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: see: [05:53]
assbot White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [05:53]
decimation gernika: how did you manage to establish your bona fides? [05:54]
The20YearIRCloud ah very cool [05:54]
The20YearIRCloud we have a canal here [05:54]
The20YearIRCloud linking the great lakes to the missisippi [05:54]
kakobrekla [05:55]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: the midwest was webbed with them until railroads made them obsolete [05:55]
ben_vulpes lol wd kakobrekla [05:55]
gernika decimation: I slaved at startups for years. Meanwhile my friends were actually making money consulting. I just started working for my friends. [05:56]
The20YearIRCloud the one around me was one of the largest canals during the pre-railroad days [05:56]
The20YearIRCloud and it's so funny because the canal is so freaking small [05:56]
The20YearIRCloud but, if you dug 400+ miles of canal by hand, how far would you really want it? [05:56]
ben_vulpes fuck [05:57]
ben_vulpes startups [05:57]
ben_vulpes so hard [05:57]
mats_cd03 you sound disgruntled, sir [05:58]
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decimation The20YearIRCloud: in the UK they still have most of their canals, you can rent a narrowboat and cruise them: [05:58]
gernika I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota than I was working at the big name tech company that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups. [05:58]
assbot Canal Boating Holidays. Narrowboat Barge and Norfolk Broads Boat Hire [05:58]
mats_cd03 >> Woodmann about to starve. shame... [05:58]
assbot 403 Forbidden [05:58]
decimation gernika: I've noticed that it's a common pattern in today's economy: kid goes to work for borg-firm, gives up his flower of youth, and then later finds employment profiting on the idiocy he witnessed earlier [06:00]
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gernika decimation which is no compensation for giving up the flower of your youth for corporate america sadly [06:01]
The20YearIRCloud very cool decimation [06:02]
The20YearIRCloud anymore around here people just use the canals for fishing [06:02]
decimation gernika: indeed, unfortunately there's no undergrad class on how not to be a chump [06:04]
ben_vulpes gernika decimation: there's some value in witnessing the chumpatron from the inside. [06:04]
ben_vulpes one must extract it oneself, but... [06:04]
ben_vulpes in which scenarios is this not true. [06:04]
ben_vulpes s/./? [06:05]
decimation in taleb's antifragile, Fat Tony would have said that the chumps wouldn't believe you if you told them [06:05]
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ben_vulpes wouldn't believe what? [06:06]
decimation they wouldn't believe that chumpatrons exist and that they were all likely to enter one [06:07]
ben_vulpes ah yeah [06:09]
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ben_vulpes the house discussion with these people is a great example. [06:09]
ben_vulpes "well of course you want to build equity!" [06:10]
The20YearIRCloud which people [06:10]
ben_vulpes and when you sell your house, do you account for all of the property taxes you've paid over its lifetime? the repairs made? the endless time spent fixing it? [06:11]
ben_vulpes keeping the yard looking adequately neat to keep the homeowners association gruntled? [06:11]
ben_vulpes tell me - how do you book those expenses, and how do you tally the ROI? [06:11]
mats_cd03 i was under the impression selling homes is a matter of finding bagholders [06:12]
mats_cd03 at least in usa [06:12]
decimation ben_vulpes: don't forget the usg 'subsidy' of mortgages [06:12]
gernika then there's the fact that when your house goes up in value, so does everyone else's, so its not like you can sell it and buy a bigger house. And if you don't buy another house with the proceeds of selling your house, you pay a lot of taxes. [06:13]
ben_vulpes i just let the girl paint the walls whatever and book the deposit as a cost of renting. [06:14]
decimation gernika: not unless it is your primary residence and your gains are less than $500k (as I recall) [06:14]
ben_vulpes breaking news: my little brother just got knocked off his bike [06:15]
ben_vulpes [06:15]
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ben_vulpes but a hit and run! what assholes. [06:15]
decimation call the democratic police, maybe they care [06:16]
mats_cd03 still whole, i hope? [06:16]
The20YearIRCloud mortgage interest can be deducted from taxes [06:16]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [06:17]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 423.24, Best ask: 424.54, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 424.0, 24 hour volume: 21726.76443010, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 451.15, 24 hour vwap: 428.502197043 [06:17]
decimation ben_vulpes: I think the renting vs. buying thing is a generational shift in the us [06:18]
decimation people younger than 40 are seeing how much their parents bought into the 'housing is infinite wealth' idea and they see how they were screwed [06:18]
decimation plus many of them bought & were screwed on homes [06:18]
ben_vulpes then there's the need to continue paying rent forever. [06:18]
decimation you gotta live somewhere [06:19]
ben_vulpes sure, but if the point is to eventually own it free and clear and not pay rent, property taxes still count as rent. [06:19]
ben_vulpes to me at least. [06:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the cern cabling : part of it is that they know it's gonna fail. [06:19]
decimation totally agree, you never 'own' anything in the us [06:19]
mircea_popescu if you recall, they failed for years before it even could be powered on [06:20]
ben_vulpes decimation: i'm not convinced that i can own anything but btc any more. [06:20]
mircea_popescu what pcbs. [06:20]
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ben_vulpes and even that... [06:20]
mircea_popescu you can always own a good woman. [06:20]
decimation mircea_popescu: but they 'spend' billions of 'money'? [06:20]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: some guys can [06:20]
mircea_popescu decimation money isn't what it used to be. [06:21]
ben_vulpes ownership is the hallmark of the elite? [06:21]
mircea_popescu the alele elite. fun to say [06:21]
ben_vulpes ;;ud alele [06:21]
gribble | by ronnie Alele May 30, 2005 add a video add an image. 2. mana. female genetalia.(pussy). shes got a great mana. mark as favorite buy mana mugs & shirts. [06:21]
ben_vulpes [06:22]
decimation I thought you meant allele [06:22]
ben_vulpes apropos of naught [06:22]
decimation ;;dict allele [06:22]
gribble wn: allele n 1: (genetics) either of a pair (or series) of alternative forms of a gene that can occupy the same locus on a particular chromosome and that control the same character; "some alleles are dominant over others" [syn: {allele}, {allelomorph}] [06:22]
mircea_popescu each of the genes that could occupy a spot. [06:22]
mircea_popescu decimation yup [06:22]
ben_vulpes allele [06:22]
mircea_popescu << kako in active role. [06:23]
ben_vulpes see now i'm in this horrible place where i *think* i know when you've made a mispelling, but then i double guess, then... [06:23]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes my ll is broken cause spanish. talk to ascillifeform [06:23]
kakobrekla email v2.0 [06:23]
ben_vulpes asheele [06:24]
mircea_popescu bitbetmessage [06:24]
decimation I thought that definition 2 of the urban dictionary is what you were going after [06:24]
kakobrekla lol [06:24]
decimation ;;ud mana [06:24]
gribble | Mana is the founder of Malice Mizer, one of the most well known Japanese visual -kei bands. He is responsible for discovering the all poppular Gackt... [06:24]
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mircea_popescu anyway, i mostly came back for the lsdcoin discussion [06:24]
mircea_popescu what happened to that [06:24]
decimation that kinda petered out right as you left [06:26]
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decimation we've been derping about some technical stuff, gernika, ben_vulpes and I were talking about the silly-con valley employment scam [06:26]
mircea_popescu gernika: I am a consultant in silly-con valley << win. [06:27]
mircea_popescu as i wallk through the valley of the silly con [06:27]
gernika mircea_popescu lol seems to be better than other things I've tried [06:27]
mircea_popescu i fear no evil... [06:27]
kakobrekla its useless that coin. some btc fan late to the party. and we wont use litecoin that is made to supposedly solve that supposed problem because you cant really smoke 'lite'. [06:28]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i was going to give it to him slowly, but danielpbarron had to go all teenager hormonal on the nice ppls. [06:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00075023 = 15.6423 BTC [+] {2} [06:28]
thestringpuller %t [06:28]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [06:29]
thestringpuller %diff [06:29]
thestringpuller %tslb [06:29]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300390.52 in 1004 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.01 [06:29]
atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 46 minutes [06:29]
kakobrekla you slowly? have you been smoking that thing? [06:29]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud: zeks? Are those like zergs? << gulag prisoner labor in soviet research. [06:29]
The20YearIRCloud ah [06:30]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla las chicas wearing me out man [06:30]
kakobrekla hehehe [06:30]
The20YearIRCloud are my kids candidates for the poster prize thing? [06:30]
mircea_popescu not unless you're the sort of guy that makes them pay rent. [06:30]
asciilifeform 'zek' ~= 'inmate', from pseudo-abbreviation 'з/к' for 'заключённый' (inmate, 'confined one') [06:31]
decimation the canonical book on the topic:,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt [06:31]
decimation the wikipedia says that there's an even deeper meaning derived from the beginnings of the gulag system: "A memory of the canal is also preserved in the Russian language, in the words "zeka", "zek, z/k" for "inmate". In Russian, "inmate", "incarcerated" is заключённый (zakliuchyonnyi), usually abbreviated to "з/к" in paperwork, and pronounced as "зэка" (IPA: [zɨˈka], "zeh-KA"), which gradually transformed into " [06:32]
decimation зэк" and "зек", zek (both pronounced as IPA: [ˈzɛk]). The word is still in colloquial use. " [06:32]
asciilifeform well yes, that. [06:33]
decimation "Originally the abbreviation stood for zaklyuchyonny kanaloarmeyets (Russian: заключённый каналоармеец), literally "incarcerated canal-army-man"." [06:33]
kakobrekla zek is a rabbit. [06:33]
asciilifeform ^ more or less known to everyone who speaks the langauge [06:33]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: where? [06:35]
kakobrekla well here i guess. [06:35]
decimation I find learning another language to be a good way to find out how I am ignorant of things that millions of children know [06:35]
kakobrekla or what where [06:35]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: and not 'zajec' or the like ? [06:35]
mircea_popescu they don';t distinguish [06:36]
kakobrekla officially, but zek in many dialects [06:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we don't usually bother to distinguish either. [06:36]
mircea_popescu unserious, all of you! [06:36]
mircea_popescu decimation: The20YearIRCloud: in the UK they still have most of their canals, you can rent a narrowboat and cruise them: <<< i did this. [06:37]
assbot Canal Boating Holidays. Narrowboat Barge and Norfolk Broads Boat Hire [06:37]
The20YearIRCloud Very cool, i imagine it'd be fun [06:37]
The20YearIRCloud here people just jetski down rivers :D [06:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe or not, the canals here are also preserved. though i bet the neighbours wish someone'd fill them in. [06:37]
kakobrekla asciilifeform [06:37]
assbot The ZEK Crew » EXHIBITION ZEK (2012) [06:37]
asciilifeform they're pestilential cesspools [06:37]
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decimation mircea_popescu: I haven't done the narrowboats, are they a good time? [06:38]
mircea_popescu decimation well that all depends. they're exactly what advertised on tin [06:38]
mircea_popescu also did a dudley mines on boat tour thing [06:39]
decimation asciilifeform: my favorite quote from "in the first circle": "A familiar figure in many prison research establishments, Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form, put down his nationality not as 'Russian' but as 'zek', had applied his mind to many inventions, from the direct flow boiler to the jet engine, and had put his heart and soul into several of them." [06:39]
decimation mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the narrowboats are popular with chums who 'pub crawl' on water [06:40]
mircea_popescu gernika: I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota than I was working at the big name tech company that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups. << acquihires are usually pitiful affairs that rarely work [06:40]
mircea_popescu no idea why they keep doing it [06:40]
mircea_popescu decimation kinda what i meant. depends on your crowd. can conceivably be awful, can be pretty fun [06:41]
mircea_popescu might also depend on age. [06:41]
decimation I wanna ride this device: [06:43]
assbot Falkirk Wheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:43]
gernika mircea_popescu: agreed. not a viable outcome for employees. Although in my case they kept our product alive until it was killed in a second acquisition so it was sort of a semi-acquihire. Still a complete waste of money. [06:43]
mircea_popescu and time. [06:44]
mircea_popescu at least quick death is merciful on time [06:44]
mircea_popescu decimation that looks pretty cool. [06:44]
gernika so true [06:44]
asciilifeform 'With an *ugh!* and a groan, and a kick of the heels, / Death comes quiet, or it comes with squeals...' [06:45]
decimation asciilifeform: I'm pretty sure the warez book I linked above is a shitty translation [06:47]
mircea_popescu re the houseowning discussion : house market is commodified. carrying the cost of inventory makes no sense whatsoever, unless it does. and if it does you want the economies of scale and 100s of unit.s [06:50]
mircea_popescu there's this... can't be your own car mechanic. it's just not worth it. [06:50]
mircea_popescu similarly, can't be your own landlord. not worth it. [06:50]
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The20YearIRCloud economies of scale for building or what? [06:50]
mircea_popescu sure, some people enjoy, either, as a hobby. some people do their own tattoos. [06:51]
mircea_popescu still not a global solution. [06:51]
decimation mircea_popescu: there's this thing in American culture that you aren't a 'real person' if you don't 'own' your home [06:51]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud no, for administering real estate. [06:51]
mircea_popescu decimation there used to be this thing that you're not a real woman if you give good head [06:51]
The20YearIRCloud agent or property management? [06:51]
mircea_popescu so what of it ? [06:51]
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mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud the latter. [06:51]
The20YearIRCloud yeah, property management is terrible for income [06:52]
mircea_popescu try doing it with just one unit. [06:52]
The20YearIRCloud Yeah, except if you own it [06:52]
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mircea_popescu it doesn't magically get better if you own it [06:52]
decimation 'own' [06:52]
mircea_popescu it gets fucking worse. [06:52]
The20YearIRCloud the management aspect is pretty easy, not very time consuming. The problem is for an outside manager, the income you can charge is quite low [06:53]
The20YearIRCloud Around here it's 8% [06:53]
mircea_popescu maintaining a house is a full time job. [06:53]
The20YearIRCloud Depends on the house [06:54]
The20YearIRCloud we don't spend significant sums of time on upkeep [06:55]
mircea_popescu simple question for "homeowners". calculate your per-passerby liability for injury happening on "your" sidewalk. just as a curio. [06:55]
decimation 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' [06:55]
mircea_popescu by th time you're done with that, it should be clear why it's not the headache you want. [06:55]
mircea_popescu decimation and partially unbounded liability. [06:55]
The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: some states/countries exempt homeowners from stuff like that, i know mine does [06:55]
decimation mircea_popescu: in the us you can buy "umbrella insurance" for such a possibility [06:56]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud but not from other, similar things. [06:56]
mircea_popescu decimation not my point. [06:56]
mircea_popescu how do you know you're not getting gypped ? [06:56]
mircea_popescu just because you can "buy umbrella insurance" doesn't mean it's not there. [06:56]
The20YearIRCloud what things? [06:56]
mircea_popescu thw work is still there, even if you piecemeal it away. [06:56]
decimation true, somebody pays [06:56]
The20YearIRCloud case law in my state is quite favorable to the homeowner for accidents caused on-site [06:57]
The20YearIRCloud and the risk factor is quite low when you look at broad groups of data for occurance rates. If it was high then there'd be no one doing management or landlording [06:57]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud what happens if you don't get your triannual inspection for electric wires ? [06:57]
The20YearIRCloud those don't exist here [06:57]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: the real screwjob is trying to insure unoccupied properties [06:57]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: don't you need to have an inspector come by before you rent? [06:58]
The20YearIRCloud it's hard for homeowners, but with us we have so many properties the insurance company insures all ours as tenant occupeid, whether they're vacant or not [06:58]
The20YearIRCloud Nope [06:58]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud but my point isn't to any one specific thing. my point is, there's so much nuttery, and so much complexity involved, that in general you're better off letting someone else eat it. [06:58]
mircea_popescu to this point there may be exceptions, but i'm not discussiong 1988 elm street, akron, ohio. [06:58]
mircea_popescu cuz you know, i can't be bothered to know in that level of detail, cuz my head is otherwise full. [06:59]
decimation The20YearIRCloud is trying to be that 'someone else', not harry homeowner specifically [06:59]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: do you think owning your own home is an awesome deal for the median guy? [06:59]
mircea_popescu well he keeps bringing the "we don't have X here". something he's gotta have, what is this, ohiostan ? [06:59]
The20YearIRCloud if the average guy has a 15 or 20yr mortgage then yes [06:59]
mircea_popescu nah, for the first time buyer. [07:00]
The20YearIRCloud I know countless people who are now sitting on near a million dollars of real estate because they own their home and a few others [07:00]
mircea_popescu facing the usual 50% divorce rate, and all the jazz [07:00]
ben_vulpes 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' << fucking bril [07:00]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: I heard you could enter the irish lottery too :) [07:00]
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The20YearIRCloud And the data says that home ownership is pretty beneficial to the holder as long as they can hold it for 10+ years [07:00]
mircea_popescu decimation quite my point. sure, it works for some. [07:00]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud and the average marriage is ? [07:01]
The20YearIRCloud Even with depreciation, market swings, taxes, ect [07:01]
mircea_popescu 7 years ? [07:01]
The20YearIRCloud And a majority of couples in the US no longer marry [07:01]
mircea_popescu so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question. [07:01]
decimation The thing that the '10 year rule' fails to capture is the opportunity cost of leaving for better opportunities elsewhere, whatever that may be [07:01]
mircea_popescu seems a bad equity play. [07:01]
The20YearIRCloud And that varies by case decimation [07:02]
mircea_popescu decimation no because zek can't leave anyway! [07:02]
The20YearIRCloud then what assets do you suggest that you can live in? [07:02]
decimation There's no doubt a man needs shelter [07:02]
mircea_popescu the fact that i can live in it is about as much a consideration as the notion i could fuck my bonds. [07:02]
decimation THe question: does he want to live in his savings account/lotto ticket? [07:02]
mircea_popescu sure, i could. what diff does that make! i'll just buy the living separately from investment [07:02]
The20YearIRCloud If real estate wasn't profitable, few would be in it [07:02]
mircea_popescu few are. [07:02]
mircea_popescu and besides, bitcoin is profitable and few are in it [07:03]
The20YearIRCloud 70% of americans? [07:03]
mircea_popescu the wisdom of the crowd doesn't go too far. [07:03]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: many real estate agents don't make jack shit, only the good ones make $$$ [07:03]
The20YearIRCloud That's the case with virtually any industry that's on comission [07:03]
decimation also the market is extremely distorted by USG, which is run by real estate agents and lawyers, who all want to get their piece of the pie [07:04]
mircea_popescu strippers make $$$ kinda ll the way to the middle. [07:04]
The20YearIRCloud The total spending of the us realestate sector for lobbyists vs the others is pretty slim [07:04]
mircea_popescu or at least made, da fuck knows what's it like there anymore. [07:04]
The20YearIRCloud and even then, real estate is local based on state law/local laws, the laws I encounter here in ohio are completely different than CA or NY [07:04]
The20YearIRCloud And, when you look back on real estate prices in the US from 1880-1920, it still was a pretty stable pricing trend [07:05]
The20YearIRCloud and back then the USG had very, very little involvement in the market [07:05]
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decimation that might be true, but it ain't 1900 anymore [07:06]
mircea_popescu not sure how far i'd trust that trend, but anyway. [07:06]
The20YearIRCloud Well, since data was collected, it shows itself to be a relatively good investment (not the best mind you) but one that's pretty decenty [07:06]
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The20YearIRCloud But , if you're in the mindset that everything is going to collapse imminently, then there's few good investments outside of raw land, weapons and food [07:09]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: how would you plan to keep the 'raw land' if you don't have an army to help you? [07:11]
The20YearIRCloud Why do you assume I don't have one, nor one could be easily armed/developed? [07:11]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud that's not the mindset. merely that owning one house is more hassle than its worth [07:11]
mircea_popescu if you're going to be into real estate, own multiple. [07:11]
mircea_popescu if you can't be bothered to own multiple, rent. [07:11]
mircea_popescu the magical "just one house" position is fiction, nonsensical etc. [07:12]
The20YearIRCloud And from what i've personally seen, working with people who buy, own ,maintain , manage, get divorced, declare bankrupcy, have their house burnt down, find radon/asbestos/lead paint, that overall real estate isn't a bad investment for your common guy [07:12]
mircea_popescu a case of "zero, infinity. no one." [07:12]
mircea_popescu well, maybe. i dun see it, but then again, each his own castl.e [07:13]
The20YearIRCloud granted my data is from a few hundred homeowners in central Ohio, with a few out of state people as well [07:13]
mircea_popescu let's work this another angle. [07:14]
mircea_popescu suppose you were a billionaire, and owned a real estate company that owned about ten thousand units on average in each state. [07:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33715 @ 0.00074919 = 25.2589 BTC [-] {2} [07:14]
mircea_popescu now, would you buy your own house or just use one your company already owns ? [07:14]
The20YearIRCloud prolly buy my own [07:15]
mircea_popescu well that's that, you've got an aesthetic preference :) [07:15]
The20YearIRCloud The guys i know who are in similar positions have done the same [07:15]
mircea_popescu so suppose you had that army from ten lines back. [07:16]
mircea_popescu would you use it to defend your house or get a different guard for it ? [07:16]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: it seems that this could be a 'marketing opportunity' for a real estate baron [07:16]
The20YearIRCloud depends on the value of the resources I have ,defendability, ect [07:16]
The20YearIRCloud Which specific thing decimation ? [07:17]
The20YearIRCloud - [07:17]
decimation 'invest in my company, look at my own personal success story, etc' [07:17]
The20YearIRCloud Some do that [07:17]
The20YearIRCloud kind of what i'm doing [07:17]
decimation ownership would assist in the embellishment [07:17]
decimation but not required [07:17]
mircea_popescu all it needs is some neoprotestant varnish and it could start its own gulch. [07:18]
The20YearIRCloud like galts? [07:18]
mircea_popescu yeah. [07:18]
mircea_popescu well like whatever chile dudes. [07:18]
mircea_popescu or w/e that was [07:18]
decimation yeah the one that was a total scam [07:18]
The20YearIRCloud i've got many that want to do it [07:18]
The20YearIRCloud but it isn't in the cards for 5 years ors o [07:18]
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mircea_popescu it just occured to me : the berkshire bets happen just as it crossed the 6 months threshold. [07:20]
mircea_popescu maybe that's th estory here : bets more than 6 mo out are too far out. [07:20]
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mircea_popescu if anyone cares [07:23]
assbot The Good, The Bad and The Ugly on Galt's Gulch Chile [07:23]
The20YearIRCloud 1st rat to jump ship [07:24]
mircea_popescu i had no idea they had good drama. [07:24]
The20YearIRCloud recently they have [07:24]
mircea_popescu goes with the argentina bashing some other guy was doing linked earlier. [07:25]
The20YearIRCloud Yeah [07:25]
mircea_popescu for the record, i agree with both negative estimates. it is incredibly stupid to go out in the fucking sticks, if you're on a budget. [07:25]
decimation my spindy-sense was tingling when I went to their website a few months ago and they had no details whatever [07:25]
mircea_popescu hardy pioneers mosty died there. [07:25]
mircea_popescu decimation i was just wtf'ing now, looking at it. really, pictures of one jar of honey, a bunch of SIGNS and a bunch of mountain range ? THAT ? [07:26]
The20YearIRCloud in the sticks in a somewhat economically hostile country without quality advisers/professionals to help guide decisions [07:26]
mircea_popescu im not paying someone to move ~there~ [07:26]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud and without an army. [07:26]
The20YearIRCloud it'd be like me throwing a dart at a map of Ohio and saying "I'm gonna build an acid plant here, it's sure to make money!" [07:26]
mircea_popescu settlement is dubious even when you're settling VETERANS. [07:26]
mircea_popescu but these are all practical considerations. i wouldn't do this even as a banal every day person. [07:28]
mircea_popescu but for people to try and create a "bitcoin" or "ayn rnd" or w/e community.... this is so idiotic it defies description. [07:28]
mircea_popescu why the fuck do you think feminists don't go to hide in utah on a farm ? perhaps because they don't want to end up on the receiving end of the stick, like the mormons ? [07:28]
mircea_popescu why do they hide in well populated urban areas ? [07:28]
mircea_popescu the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there. [07:29]
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The20YearIRCloud There are still quite a few hippie communes in the US [07:32]
The20YearIRCloud Not huge mind you, but 100-500 [07:32]
mircea_popescu "Dear Hearts and Gentle People" is a thing for a fucking reason. [07:32]
mircea_popescu if you're annoying in a rural setting you get killed. [07:32]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud yeah, but not on indian land. [07:33]
The20YearIRCloud Yeah, not on the rez [07:33]
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mircea_popescu sort of thing. [07:34]
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mircea_popescu "I first wrote about La Estancia as being "Galt's Gulch" in 2011. I went on to talk throughout much of early 2012 about how exciting I found the concept and how I would like to do one myself." fucking preachers without a church, teenaged boys trapped in sagging old bodies trying to get patrons to carve them a parish. [07:39]
mircea_popescu except instead of addressing the lordship, they swindle innocent old people, the traditional victims of psychopathic piano salesmen. [07:40]
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mircea_popescu We sat down for dinner in Santiago with John Cobin and his partner who had brought us the property and that's when things started to get strange. Cobin and his partner had some bizarre plan to zone a few thousand acres with 3,000 lots including golf courses, hotels and all manner of grandiose things. They actually had a business plan that went into the billions of dollars in revenue. [07:46]
mircea_popescu My first thought was that it would be terrible to turn this serene, perfect mountain valley into a complete suburban-like area. And my second thought was, "3,000 lots? Doug Casey has been operating La Estancia de Cafayate for more than five years and hasn't even sold 200 lots!" [07:46]
mircea_popescu Everyone at the table told me that it was a "sure thing" which I found preposterous. But then, Cobin, his partner and Ken started talking about putting a down payment on the property with a "rubber cheque". They were essentially saying that we would give the owner a cheque that had no real money backing it and then raise the funds to buy the property. [07:46]
mircea_popescu By that point I had had enough. "I don't do business that way," I said, and nearly got into a fist fight with Ken Johnson over it. However he and the others all assured me that this was "totally normal" in the real estate business to do... and over time they, and especially Ken, talked me into doing it. Ken told me, "this is how the real estate business works." [07:46]
mircea_popescu Excited by the property and the potential I decided to trust Ken on his knowledge of how to do real estate deals and we then raised the money with four key investors who we still to this day call "the founders". All were TDV readers and they were excited about the potential. [07:46]
mircea_popescu fucktards. [07:46]
mircea_popescu listen kids. a) this isn't how any business works ; b) "totally normal" is no argument ; c) don't be this loser. don't be the 9 yo kid telling the tall tale about how you "nearly" got into a fist fight with the bad boys that ruined your sunday clothes. [07:47]
mircea_popescu "I was assured that the property could be rezoned (at least somewhat) and that it had water rights and I returned to North America and Ken and I agreed we would be 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for Cobin and his partner and for the founding investors) and I told Ken that I had no time nor qualification to operate or manage a real estate development so he would be the Managing Partner and that th [07:48]
mircea_popescu e plan was for us to bring in qualified people to help us develop the property as I brought in the marketing interest for lot purchasers. " [07:48]
mircea_popescu 50-50s ar for the qualified people in question. there is NOTHING, nothing at all, no benefit, zero, zilch, gulch for the guys with the "idea" or the "vision". fuck your vision and get lost, it's not worth a cupful of piss. [07:49]
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Duffer1 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for.. the investors.. [07:51]
Duffer1 i'm sure this all ended well [07:51]
mircea_popescu Very quickly after the purchase of the property I received an email from Ken that there was a lot of errors and the property not only can't be rezoned for 3,000 lots but only for 12! And, it had no water rights for much more than 12 livable units! [07:52]
mircea_popescu Ken told me it wouldn't be a problem and he'd get it fixed. And, while I had already begun to market the property I was generally okay in knowing that the four founders had bought a large piece of property that, at worst, they could live on and/or resell and no one would get very hurt from this mistake. [07:52]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 ^ like that. [07:52]
mircea_popescu and the bonus being that for all this time HE LIED ABOUT IT [07:52]
mircea_popescu now he's spilling the beans. he couldn't do this post that same day. [07:52]
mircea_popescu it'd have been "unbusinesslike", because that's "totally normal" in "business". [07:52]
Duffer1 ha so it was scam from start to finish, but now this dingleberry is blaming "ken" [07:53]
mircea_popescu fucking children. where are ye buffett with your "the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America". show them to me baby. what productive ? [07:53]
mircea_popescu ingenuity, yes. they're about as ingenue as a 9 year old girl. [07:53]
Duffer1 we flip burgers good [07:53]
mircea_popescu "A few months passed and there wasn't too much developing when I got an email from someone (not even Ken) in June of 2013 that he had just committed to purchase a property with secure water rights near the initial property for over $6 million... and it had to be paid in full within three months! [07:54]
mircea_popescu Also, he had hired some sales staff (all TDV readers) and all of them were emailing me telling me that what Ken had just done was crazy and he was trying to get them to sell a property that wasn't owned by GGC without any real details even about the property, how much water or water rights it had and whether it could be rezoned! They all said they were going to quit but Ken had begun to move forward and market it." [07:54]
mircea_popescu basically the dollar vigilante thing is going to be prosecuted for fraud next year. [07:54]
mircea_popescu the dollar vigilante scam ring * [07:55]
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assbot Glenn Beck is Planning a $2 Billion Libertarian Commune in Texas | Dallas Observer [07:56]
mircea_popescu sigh [07:56]
dub hey, smaller target to nuke [07:57]
mircea_popescu "Since I had already brought in thousands of leads to GGC throughout 2012 and the start of 2013 and Ken had begun to market this new property that GGC didn't even own I was very distressed. However, at the same time, the amount of interest was staggering. I knew there would be demand for a project like this but I was amazed how much interest there was. Ken again told me that this is just how these type of deals are [07:57]
mircea_popescu done and that GGC would have no problem pre-selling the lots to pay for the land. He also told me that he had negotiated a deal in such a way that even if the full payment can't be made in time that we could extend it. [07:57]
mircea_popescu And so I decided that since I was already roped into this by association I had two choices. To stop promoting GGC and go public with the reasons why I was uncomfortable or to continue to promote it and hope it works. I chose the latter and very quickly money began flooding into the project and I began to think that maybe this would all work out and maybe Ken really knew what he was doing." [07:57]
mircea_popescu by the book bitcoin "unintentional" scam this thing. [07:57]
mircea_popescu it's incredible just how homologously stupid these derps are. [07:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40417 @ 0.00075104 = 30.3548 BTC [+] [07:58]
asciilifeform beck gulch << what an old chumpatron, snore [07:59]
asciilifeform !s citadel [07:59]
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asciilifeform a 'gulch' or 'compound' or whateverthefuck the turdmeister of the day calls it - doubly so if pitched with fanfare to the drooling hordes - is an elementary honeypot, whether deliberately built as such or not. [08:07]
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asciilifeform anyone who is bedevilled by the question of where amerikanische dept of vaterlandische seekoority is gonna get ten thousand 'terroristes' to hang - that's where. [08:09]
ben_vulpes << relevant [08:10]
assbot Disney & Pixar's A Bug's Life - 2 mosquitos - YouTube [08:10]
ben_vulpes << irrelevant [08:10]
assbot Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube [08:10]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes again ?! [08:34]
mircea_popescu just curios, anyone remember the scottish attempt to colonise the new world ? [08:38]
mircea_popescu was a very similar affair, led by similarly inept cvasi-religious figures without an actual religion. ended up hanging an innocent young english sailor for no particular reason. [08:39]
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mircea_popescu that was fucking trippy. so i start irc client, it goes to login, [16:08]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen mircea_popescu [16:09]
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mircea_popescu meh. [16:09]
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ThickAsThieves hehe [16:11]
mircea_popescu turns out this is what happens when someone tries to squat on your name just before you show up [16:11]
mircea_popescu dude these scammorz... [16:11]
ThickAsThieves the other day i was imagining that the freenode password reset recommendation they gave was actually nickserv being honeypotted and needing to slurp up passwords [16:12]
mircea_popescu me too. [16:12]
mircea_popescu (no, i didn't change it. i don't change passwords when a third party says so. i change them when i change them.) [16:12]
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ThickAsThieves i didnt either, not like they can !up anyway [16:13]
mircea_popescu the advantage of multi layered security : you get to know what the would-be attacker knows and what he doesn't. [16:14]
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[]bot Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 52,350. [16:27]
kakobrekla o look below 400 [16:30]
kakobrekla only 400 to go! [16:30]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [16:38]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.08, Best ask: 395.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 395.87, 24 hour volume: 34402.70319991, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 412.849427944 [16:38]
mircea_popescu o hey. [16:38]
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mircea_popescu !up only [16:42]
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only thank you. so who's dumping and where do they have their coins from? :) [16:42]
mircea_popescu good q. [16:42]
only **I wonder [16:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.15145788 = 0.7573 BTC [+] {3} [16:53]
ThickAsThieves no one is dumping, china is scamming [17:00]
ThickAsThieves i think this is at least partly people subscribing to the whole China does mega% of btc volume lie [17:01]
ThickAsThieves so shady exchanges can just manipulate and the rest follow [17:01]
ThickAsThieves this probably means well have another gox in the winter/spring [17:02]
ThickAsThieves goxing* [17:02]
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ThickAsThieves to be fair though, i think the same shenanigans are what got us all the major bubbles too [17:05]
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mircea_popescu won't last that long. [17:14]
mircea_popescu well, winter, yea, technically it starts next month [17:15]
ThickAsThieves so Scotland missed independence by 6% [17:15]
ThickAsThieves they should just split of a country for the guys [17:15]
ThickAsThieves off* [17:15]
ThickAsThieves the news photos show a bunch of people either very happy or very sad about the vote [17:17]
ThickAsThieves but i dont get what would be so exciting about staying [17:17]
ThickAsThieves Yes, we dodged independence, I am SO stoked! [17:17]
chetty well even staying there are getting more autonomy, no? [17:17]
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ThickAsThieves dunno [17:17]
los_pantalones age distribution is pretty telling, [17:18]
los_pantalones 65+ voted heavily to stay [17:18]
los_pantalones didn't want to lose their health benefits [17:18]
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los_pantalones dude tried to bring in 16-18 demographic to fight that [17:18]
los_pantalones almost worked [17:18]
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mircea_popescu quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5 [17:21]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones normally society has these natural mechanisms to let pressure get out, all involving violence. the english speaking world has been uncannily successful at pluging all of them. [17:22]
mircea_popescu i fully expect to see old people hanged for the fault of being old in my lifetime. [17:22]
los_pantalones you've seen too much mircea_popescu [17:22]
los_pantalones how much more can you see? [17:22]
mircea_popescu well that's the problem with the antichrist, not only has it seen it all [17:23]
mircea_popescu but is condemned to forever keep on seeing it all again [17:23]
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diana_coman ThickAsThieves it was pretty much like a competition (football match) so they are excited their "team" won [17:24]
diana_coman (I'm in the UK, so I saw some of the excitement first-hand) [17:25]
ThickAsThieves weird, [17:25]
ThickAsThieves i see it as YES voters were trying to hit a target, NO voters trying to dodge a bullet [17:26]
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chetty old folks generally have more to lose in any change in status quo [17:29]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [17:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 403.97, Best ask: 404.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 403.97, 24 hour volume: 35222.97132326, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 410.504446309 [17:29]
mircea_popescu chetty moreover, old folks are in a better position to understand the futility of change anyway. [17:33]
chetty mircea_popescu, that is a whole nother issue, especially since old folks are useless and irrelevant [17:34]
mircea_popescu that's okay, everyone is. [17:34]
kakobrekla updated their page [17:38]
kakobrekla after liek 17 days [17:38]
kakobrekla (injection still works ok) [17:39]
thestringpuller i still can't reach that page [17:39]
thestringpuller now I can [17:40]
thestringpuller lol [17:40]
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jurov kakobrekla: shoulda make the alert in russian, too. and last i checked it did not work [17:44]
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jurov best to use mat [17:46]
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kakobrekla dunno, works here [17:51]
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kakobrekla anyway it wont spit out an address any more, so thats that. [17:51]
jurov no popup in firefox not chromium [17:52]
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jurov *nor [17:52]
The20YearIRCloud I'm curious if BTC is gonna stay sub 400 for a while. If it does, our dividends are gonna be stellar [17:52]
kakobrekla jurov did you request a deposit address on .su? [17:52]
kakobrekla here it works in all ze browsers. [17:52]
jurov ah i see. i was thinking the popup was on fromtpage [17:53]
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kakobrekla that is cached locally with them [17:53]
kakobrekla and was 17 days old yest. [17:53]
kakobrekla brb [17:54]
jurov put there something like "тенто сайт на хуй, исполизоват bitbet.US" [17:55]
jurov (hope my broken russian provokes someone to make it better) [17:55]
mircea_popescu nahuy part i good. [17:56]
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chetty !up only [18:00]
[]bot Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" Odds: 65(Y):35(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 79,149. [18:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.15083333 = 0.905 BTC [+] {3} [18:01]
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chetty haha assbot doesnt love me anymore [18:01]
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bounce !up only [18:02]
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bounce !up only [18:07]
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bounce assbot is short on memory [18:07]
bounce anyway. ``Netropolitan Is Facebook For The Rich, Only A $9000 Fee To Join'' -- gotta be reeech to fall for that [18:07]
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los_pantalones rombone sound [20:10]
mircea_popescu ... [20:11]
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mircea_popescu jesus gribble's slow. [20:12]
fluffypony ikr [20:13]
mike_c man, if i ran a site called bitcoin news i would be knocking down bitbet's door to get an interview about this huge bet going on. [20:13]
mircea_popescu mike_c what if you ran the bitcoin chamber of commerce ? [20:13]
mats_cd03 that sounds like an interesting enterprise i'd like to be a part of. [20:14]
mike_c if i ran the chamber of commerce i likely have already written a dozen articles about bitbet :) [20:14]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 she's reasonably hot twist, for as long as that lasts. [20:15]
penguirker New blog post: [20:16]
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mircea_popescu the beauty of liquidity : bitbet can actually cover any bet at the stated odds well up to 100 BTC. [20:18]
mircea_popescu where else can you drop 50k on a side and not appreciably swing the odds. [20:18]
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mircea_popescu (i don't mean where else in bitcoin. i mean, where else in vegas) [20:19]
los_pantalones larger bets in vegas they make you walk up to the window to get a special quote [20:19]
los_pantalones and they try to profile you and fade your ass [20:19]
mircea_popescu quite. [20:21]
mircea_popescu this is well revolutionary, im noteven sure the chinese have access to such performance. [20:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the adonis-number needs a footnote probably [20:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it does, but im not giving it. let the wise have an easter egg. [20:23]
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jborkl point taken mike_c, the bet resolves so far out I have just been waiting [20:23]
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mike_c but the story is hot now. 1500 BTC bet short on bitcoin sounds like a juicy headline. [20:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+] [20:25]
jborkl yes it is , the amount has become very large. Let me get the basis of the article together and I will come back for more details and opinions [20:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: adonis << gonna be me, you, and that one other russian fellow who gets it.. [20:26]
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mike_c jborkl: totally unsolicited advice: interview format might be good for this one. [20:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c im not even sure what it's short on. but prolly bitcoin more than berkshire atm. [20:28]
mircea_popescu than long berkshire* [20:28]
mike_c certainly [20:28]
mike_c berkshire is a constant [20:28]
mircea_popescu not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc. [20:29]
mircea_popescu in finance there's no constants. just vairables with the appearance of constance in context. [20:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform perfect. [20:30]
mircea_popescu (also anyone who reads the logs, which by now is tens of thousands of people) [20:30]
los_pantalones the trade pays in bitcoin [20:30]
los_pantalones not sure either side is short bitcoin [20:30]
mircea_popescu yeah he can be somewhat short bitcoin but not THAT short [20:30]
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mircea_popescu i suppose the statement would be "someone who's short the "up up up!" " [20:31]
los_pantalones or lookin for cheap brk-a exposure [20:32]
mircea_popescu actually, maybe he's shorting brk-a and looking for cheap insurance. [20:33]
mircea_popescu this could be a structured deal [20:33]
los_pantalones lots of uses when there is good liquidity [20:34]
mircea_popescu if he wrote brk-a puts and he somehoiw has a default bitcoin put by some reason (say, the reason being large holdings) then this is a +ev move [20:34]
mike_c this is nuts: you could drop 5,000 btc on either side and get decent returns. [20:35]
assbot Bet 786 Analysis - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment - Btc Alpha [20:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 77 @ 0.0104245 = 0.8027 BTC [-] {3} [20:35]
mircea_popescu except the problem is i don't see any large march brk puts hgaving happened this week [20:35]
mircea_popescu course it could be otc. [20:36]
mircea_popescu mike_c that's not even half of it. even 1k on either side wil probably draw reaction. i'd guess if you drop 5k on a side you'll get more volume on the other just on general principle. [20:36]
mike_c definitely. [20:36]
mircea_popescu it is after all 6 month out [20:36]
mircea_popescu that 50 btc diff bet ended up 800 btc on the winning side two weeks out. [20:37]
asciilifeform buterin's waterfall - going strong. [20:38]
mike_c ;;calc 2816 * [ticker --last] [20:39]
gribble 1128821.76 [20:39]
mircea_popescu teh million dollar bet ? [20:39]
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mike_c for now [20:44]
ben_vulpes ;;ticker [20:45]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.77, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 402.92, 24 hour volume: 34354.57634559, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.704816241 [20:45]
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mircea_popescu !up Nick___ [20:45]
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Nick___ Hello [20:45]
mircea_popescu mike_c BITCOIN CAN ONLY GO UP NOOB [20:45]
mike_c heh, yeah. i meant it will be millions plural once btc goes up and people flood into yes. [20:46]
Nick___ I am looking for some help. One of the winning bets that closed on bitbet did not pay out to my addresses, looking for someone to look into it. Can anyone help? [20:46]
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Nick___ mircea_popescu? [20:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00075104 = 15.922 BTC [-] {2} [20:49]
mircea_popescu Nick___ specifically ? [20:49]
mircea_popescu (you can link to individual bets directly, do that) [20:49]
Nick___ [20:49]
assbot BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago [20:49]
mircea_popescu yes, but which one ? [20:49]
Nick___ hold on one sec [20:49]
Nick___ do you want the addresses i paid into or the ones i'm supposed to be paid out of? [20:50]
mike_c Nick___: which bet was yours? hover over the 'time' column to get a link to the bet. [20:51]
Nick___ [20:52]
assbot BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago [20:52]
Nick___ and [20:52]
assbot BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago [20:52]
mircea_popescu Nick___ i see. looking into it. [20:53]
Nick___ thanks mate [20:53]
n6 Namworld nanotube napedia Naphex Nick___ non2 NormDePloome [20:55]
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mircea_popescu Nick___ seems a tx failed to propagate properly. sorry for the inconvenience. will be rebroadcast presently. thanks for reporting. [20:55]
Nick___ thanks mate, no problems [20:56]
Nick___ just glad you run a stand up site [20:56]
ben_vulpes !b 5 [20:56]
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mircea_popescu i don't run it, kako does. i just get the cookies :D [20:57]
Nick___ all the same, my compliments [20:57]
mircea_popescu see kakobrekla, this is how cumstomer support is done, not the stuff you do! [20:57]
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kakobrekla it gets worse. [20:58]
asciilifeform << mega-lol [20:59]
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BlueMeanie4 heya MP [21:07]
BlueMeanie4 hows things in bitcoin-assets land? [21:07]
mircea_popescu not so bad. berkshire making waves today. [21:08]
mircea_popescu did you forgot how to selfvoice meanwhile btw ? [21:08]
BlueMeanie4 the real berkshire? [21:09]
mircea_popescu well the bet. [21:09]
BlueMeanie4 hmm im a bit confused [21:09]
Duffer1 has anyone stepped up to claim the massive no bets? [21:09]
jurov %tslb [21:10]
atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block: 1 hour(s), 22 minutes [21:10]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 not so far., [21:10]
jurov that's cuz i made a testing tx [21:10]
mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 [21:10]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (40%) on Yes, 1695.6 B (60%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`196 (100`000 to 1) [21:10]
BlueMeanie4 you were placing bets on Berkshire? [21:10]
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BlueMeanie4 ah [21:10]
BlueMeanie4 were at an interesting impasse with BTC [21:10]
BlueMeanie4 basically all the altcoins are pathetic jokes [21:11]
Masterbill Haha Hey guys! [21:11]
BlueMeanie4 btc has its warts for sure [21:11]
mircea_popescu ;;calc sqrt(226**2 + 203**2) [21:11]
gribble 303.784463066 [21:11]
BlueMeanie4 whats that the fibonacci pattern for btc? [21:11]
mircea_popescu nah some eulora mining math [21:12]
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mircea_popescu chetty is valliantly fighting the engines [21:12]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones omg no rate ? what is this! [21:13]
los_pantalones on you? no reciprocation ? [21:14]
los_pantalones i'll do now, i'm a selfish person [21:14]
mircea_popescu ::rate los_pantalones 0 selfish person!1 [21:15]
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bounce .oO( pot & kettle sitting in a tree... ) [21:15]
los_pantalones ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognasticator and champion whack-a-mole'r [21:17]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [21:17]
los_pantalones qua? [21:17]
mircea_popescu you can't have misspellings. [21:17]
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los_pantalones makese sense [21:18]
los_pantalones mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r [21:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00075031 = 10.6169 BTC [-] [21:18]
los_pantalones ;;rate 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r [21:18]
gribble Error: 'fearless' is not a valid integer. [21:18]
mircea_popescu :D [21:18]
los_pantalones christ almighty [21:18]
mircea_popescu ahh this was worth it. [21:18]
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los_pantalones haha, firshir [21:18]
mircea_popescu ::rate los_pantalones 3 public accidents in tight pants [21:19]
los_pantalones there he is [21:19]
los_pantalones ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r [21:20]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded. [21:20]
mircea_popescu aww so soon [21:21]
los_pantalones sigh [21:21]
artifexd lol [21:25]
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los_pantalones [21:27]
assbot Edward Snowden should not face trial, says UN human rights commissioner [21:27]
los_pantalones just trollin for info on bluemeanie and came across that [21:28]
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mircea_popescu !s from:BlueMeanie4 [21:28]
assbot 541 results for 'from:BlueMeanie4' : [21:28]
BlueMeanie4 something you want to know? [21:29]
BlueMeanie4 its someone frightening that we form our entire opinion of someone these days by what shows up on google [21:29]
asciilifeform 'This content has been removed as our copyright has expired.' << lol! wtf [21:29]
BlueMeanie4 wasnt the internet supposed to relieve us of this sort of thing? [21:30]
mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 well i wouldn't imagine it'd be the entire opinions [21:30]
Duffer1 there's always usenet <3 [21:30]
mircea_popescu !up Nick___ [21:30]
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BlueMeanie4 Google has become WAY too powerful [21:31]
mircea_popescu you need a wot account and then a rating from someone in assbot's trust list to be able to self voice. [21:31]
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mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 word. [21:31]
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BlueMeanie4 ppl think they are the last word on anything [21:31]
mircea_popescu either that or wikipedia [21:31]
mircea_popescu which is actually worse. [21:31]
BlueMeanie4 meanwhile it's got NSA and friends written all over it from day one. [21:31]
BlueMeanie4 for sure [21:32]
mircea_popescu Nick___ see [21:32]
assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] [21:32]
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BlueMeanie4 i noticed wikipedia's slow demise at least 5 years ago [21:32]
BlueMeanie4 its hard to see, but it's very biased [21:32]
BlueMeanie4 the truth has been written down many times, the technology we used to write it wasn't the problem :) [21:33]
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asciilifeform << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness... [21:36]
assbot JackPair [21:36]
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mircea_popescu punkman not bad. [21:38]
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BlueMeanie4 re. that Berkshire bet [21:42]
BlueMeanie4 it should be calculated according to total market cap , no? [21:42]
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mircea_popescu hm ? [21:43]
BlueMeanie4 per share? what if theres a split? [21:44]
mircea_popescu it says it will see through splits and distributions [21:46]
asciilifeform aaaand now we can add Salsa20 to the list of 'unsavoury' algos... [21:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28977 @ 0.00075048 = 21.7467 BTC [+] {2} [21:53]
los_pantalones mircea_popescu brk-a splits and you win ? [21:55]
los_pantalones want buffet's number ? [21:55]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones sees through. [21:56]
mircea_popescu you're familiar with the legal concept right ? "court will see through the veil" device in bankruptcy, probate and so forth. [21:56]
kakobrekla ;;tslb [21:57]
gribble Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds [21:57]
jurov not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc. <<< lol bitbet became assassination market >:D [21:57]
mircea_popescu jurov oh for crying out loud. [21:57]
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BlueMeanie4 there are some real dangers were facing with these things [21:59]
BlueMeanie4 seems these perpetual adolescents who browse 4chan think an anonymous assassination market would be real swell [21:59]
mircea_popescu not so sure about that. [22:00]
los_pantalones why is that a real danger ? [22:00]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones well cause it's still cheaper to kill a guy than to annimate a corpse. [22:00]
BlueMeanie4 if you cant see the obvious problem with that im not going to run down that road with you [22:00]
mod6 <+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?! [22:00]
mircea_popescu mod6 blockchain is dead for ~6 hours too. [22:01]
kakobrekla nope, its actually 12 hrs [22:01]
mircea_popescu lol [22:01]
BlueMeanie4 or maybe we can pool our money and have your unpopular opinion elimated for good if you catch my meaning? [22:01]
kakobrekla aww [22:01]
rithm #1 super trust [22:01]
chetty <+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!/7 miners on strike? [22:01]
mod6 wtf [22:01]
rithm gribble needs to use chain API and join the VC shill rtevolution amirite [22:01]
kakobrekla terrible lag inhere or is it just me [22:02]
los_pantalones BlueMeanie4 the probability of you being successful in this endeavor is not 'real danger' [22:02]
mircea_popescu mod6 i dunno, they failed. the blockchain seems just fine of itself. [22:02]
mod6 i had some bad before, its ok for me now. we need [22:02]
rithm mod6 accidentally a word [22:02]
BlueMeanie4 hold on so its not dangerous because 'the market' will weed out any undesirable assassinations? [22:02]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones how do you quantify that ? [22:02]
mod6 rithm: huh? [22:03]
BlueMeanie4 every person can have an entry on the block chain that indicates the current value of their life [22:03]
los_pantalones yes, perceived and real are different [22:03]
los_pantalones quantifying stuff like that usually tends towards looking at willingness to pay for insurance and other similar protections [22:03]
BlueMeanie4 therefore if you dont have a high life-value rating, you shouldnt express your opinions [22:03]
BlueMeanie4 otherwise its cement shoes for you! yay lolbertarianism [22:03]
rithm i had some bad before, its ok for me now. we need [22:03]
mod6 oh ya, thx. [22:04]
mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 it would put a lot of pressure on coallescing lordships [22:04]
BlueMeanie4 it would? the lords are the ones with the money remember? [22:04]
mircea_popescu "you can speak whatever you wish as long as the duke of parma protects you" [22:04]
rithm so BlueMeanie4 is cool [22:04]
mircea_popescu sorta like 1400 all over again. [22:04]
BlueMeanie4 i cant wait [22:04]
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mircea_popescu well it was a time of great art. [22:04]
BlueMeanie4 that was my favorite medieval century [22:05]
chetty haha I can see it now, those who want one alive bidding against those who want one dead, what fun [22:05]
BlueMeanie4 especially the part about burning heretics at the stake [22:05]
mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 well, only the annoying ones :D [22:05]
mircea_popescu or i guess the poor ones [22:05]
BlueMeanie4 like Galileo [22:05]
mircea_popescu or the women that didn't suck cock well enough. [22:05]
BlueMeanie4 he was so annoying [22:05]
mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 he died in his bed you know. [22:06]
BlueMeanie4 everyone knows that if you keep sailing west you will fall off the edge of the world and dragons will eat you [22:06]
mircea_popescu how did you get the idea galileo burned ? [22:06]
BlueMeanie4 no excommunicated [22:06]
BlueMeanie4 youre correct on that [22:06]
rithm [22:06]
assbot Bill Burr Explains Why Yoko Ono Sucks - YouTube [22:06]
mircea_popescu precisely because of the protection of the duke of toscana [22:07]
BlueMeanie4 ok so we still think anonymous assassinations are great? [22:07]
mircea_popescu we never thought that. [22:08]
mircea_popescu you just did a poor job of arguing against them :) [22:08]
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los_pantalones i took umbrage with your use of the word 'real' [22:08]
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mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 this is basically like smbc's technicality club. you can easily end up hammered into the dirt for having used the wrong adjective. [22:09]
ben_vulpes re working at derpy shartups: [22:09]
mircea_popescu as correct as otherwise your position may be. [22:09]
rithm [22:10]
assbot Token Controlled Viewpoint (TCV) Genesis, Characteristics and Early Use Cases | Lets Talk Bitcoin [22:10]
rithm channel needs token society [22:10]
mircea_popescu i thought it was a crypto for black kids. [22:11]
rithm pre-sale of exclusivity tokens [22:11]
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rithm you have to admit it isn't as dumb as ethereum [22:11]
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rithm * > ethereum is the new litmus test [22:12]
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mircea_popescu i have nfi how dumb it is, i didn't read. [22:12]
rithm create your own altcoin, just to be allowed access to the forum, secret societies forming and such [22:13]
mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, they're smoking crack over at, shows 321555: [22:13]
mod6 ~4 minutes ago [22:14]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves << your dream came true ? [22:14]
assbot BitBet - Billion dollar bet? :: 1 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 99`989 (100`000 to 1) [22:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00075301 = 25.4517 BTC [+] {2} [22:21]
rithm wtf bet [22:23]
los_pantalones [22:25]
assbot BFL fucks us over again [22:25]
los_pantalones raided [22:25]
los_pantalones supposedly [22:25]
mircea_popescu oh ? [22:25]
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mircea_popescu [22:26]
assbot Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:26]
mircea_popescu check me out, i'm so prepared :D [22:26]
los_pantalones fearless prognosticator [22:26]
mod6 so in #altcoin, i added an undocumented command to query for the last block time + last block number, looks like this: Time Since Last BTC Block (321557): 0 hour(s), 7 minutes [22:28]
mod6 let me know if you want me to add it to atcbot and I will. [22:29]
ben_vulpes rithm: steady state is an altcoin for everyone [22:29]
rithm mircea_popescu: href typo -> involuntary humor http://mpex.wsdtng/c/src/135778037437.png [22:30]
rithm not sure what's going on there [22:30]
rithm some sort of / root path implication [22:31]
rithm either way, i can't see the porn [22:32]
mircea_popescu there is no pron [22:32]
* rithm is saddened [22:33]
ben_vulpes bwahahahat is going on there [22:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00075063 = 16.9267 BTC [-] [22:39]
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[]bot Bet created: "Gold above $1200 on November 1st" [22:44]
[]bot Bet created: "Billion dollar bet?" [22:44]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Billion dollar bet?" Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 1 BTC. Current weight: 99,977. [22:44]
[]bot Bet placed: 2.25 BTC for Yes on "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 72(Y):28(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.36874888 BTC. Current weight: 17,157. [22:44]
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[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" Odds: 61(Y):39(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 51,711. [22:45]
mircea_popescu lol watch out, the catchup begins [22:45]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform> << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness... << Amazing Honeypot [22:46]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:46]
assbot JackPair [22:46]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $600 before October" Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.86810627 BTC. Current weight: 3,359. [22:48]
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devthedev Good afternoon everyone [22:48]
thestringpuller GOOD NEWS EVERYONE [22:49]
thestringpuller free cookies for everyone [22:49]
bounce hungry now. [22:50]
los_pantalones [22:50]
assbot Developing Story: USMS and FTC Raid on Butterfly Labs - Coin Fire [22:50]
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devthedev Well it's about time [22:51]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [22:51]
gribble Current Blocks: 321511 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1048 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35265697094.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.22331 [22:51]
BingoBoingo ;;nethash [22:52]
gribble 268454074.757 [22:52]
The20YearIRCloud usms? [22:52]
mircea_popescu us marshals [22:53]
BingoBoingo Is this why they can't release auction results? [22:53]
mircea_popescu different ones. [22:54]
mircea_popescu why are all the dudes in the (stock i presume ?) coinfire illustration fat [22:56]
The20YearIRCloud 'Merica? [22:57]
los_pantalones 'muricah [22:57]
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ben_vulpes thestringpuller: cookies? [22:57]
los_pantalones record corn crop this year, bitbet on 'muricah gaining avg 10lbs next year ? [22:57]
mircea_popescu too hard to measure. [22:57]
mircea_popescu besides, don't they make ethanol ? [22:58]
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los_pantalones not really [22:58]
los_pantalones most corn -> HFCS [22:58]
ben_vulpes well, crappy ethanol [22:58]
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ben_vulpes that is then shipped to S.A. for their "high grade" ethanol [22:58]
ben_vulpes great big fuck off tankers carrying the same shit passing in the night... [22:58]
The20YearIRCloud Really has nothing to do with HFCS and the fact that americans consume tons of sugar/carbs with low-ish exircise [22:59]
mircea_popescu wait, wut ? [22:59]
mircea_popescu you can trivially distill ethanol, what's this grade busness ? [22:59]
The20YearIRCloud in my area virtually all corn from one county goes to ethanol, and they don't grade it [22:59]
The20YearIRCloud Allthe corn in the US produced this year will go to raise more beef for next year, as beef prices are astronomical [23:00]
mircea_popescu argentina plans to not export any this year [23:00]
mircea_popescu which seems crazy. [23:00]
The20YearIRCloud joy [23:00]
The20YearIRCloud Wonder how much that'll push inflation [23:01]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: yes i will be shipping cookies soon. [23:10]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: some usians claim that some kinds of ethanol burn more "cleanly" than others. [23:13]
mod6 %tslb [23:13]
atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#45385): 0 hour(s), 17 minutes [23:13]
mod6 %tslb_btc [23:13]
atcbot Right now! [23:13]
ben_vulpes %tslb_btc [23:13]
atcbot Right now! [23:13]
kakobrekla fast blocks [23:13]
ben_vulpes guessing it rounds to minutes? [23:13]
mod6 the website says "right now" too, so it looks correct to me on that last one [23:13]
kakobrekla see, you dont need cannacoin [23:13]
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jborkl [23:21]
assbot Bitcoin betting site, over $1 million on one bet | [23:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00075045 = 10.5438 BTC [-] {2} [23:21]
jborkl if anyone has opinions on it please later tell me, I constatly fix things [23:22]
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asciilifeform bfl assets seized << so, ft meade semiconductor plant is behind schedule, gotta 'steal candy from baby' now ? [23:23]
BingoBoingo Looks that way [23:23]
artifexd ;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping [23:32]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [23:32]
artifexd ;;ident [23:32]
gribble Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/', is not identified. [23:32]
artifexd ;;eauth artifexd [23:32]
gribble Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/ Get your encrypted OTP from [23:32]
artifexd ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a8e872c5fd617f835565a25b959766a3653ae4129b752735e66611b3 [23:32]
gribble You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A [23:32]
artifexd ;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping [23:32]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nubbins` has changed from 1 to 2. [23:32]
artifexd ;;later tell nubbins` The poster is beautiful. Thanks! [23:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:33]
BingoBoingo %t [23:36]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 32k High: 266 Low: 198 VWAP: 216 [23:36]
BingoBoingo %v [23:36]
atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 173k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 188 [23:36]
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mod6 %tslb_btc [23:40]
atcbot Time Since Last BTC Block (#321570): 0 hour(s), 18 minutes [23:40]
BingoBoingo Nice [23:42]
BingoBoingo %p [23:42]
atcbot >> No data returned from << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 131.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [23:42]
mircea_popescu bfl assets seized << all pointers seem to indicate the forum post is a prank. [23:43]
mircea_popescu ;;tslb [23:43]
gribble Time since last block: 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 49 seconds [23:43]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what's going on there, miner down ? or we on invisible pool ? [23:43]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Our pools' still not on the bot [23:43]
BingoBoingo [23:44]
assbot P2Pool [23:44]
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asciilifeform prank << ah well [23:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34837 @ 0.00075026 = 26.1368 BTC [-] {2} [23:54]
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