Forum logs for 19 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

The20YearIRCloud	One of the guys that always supports crap like that whom I talk to once in a while works for apple	[00:00]
The20YearIRCloud	Always funny him defending their 20%+ margin yet slamming walmart for their 5.6% and exxon's 8%	[00:00]
kakobrekla	20? did ya forget a zero there?	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah, apple, the world's most successful dropshipper.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	they really should be on ebay.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	AAA+++pple.	[00:01]
The20YearIRCloud	Last time i checked it was a 20% net operating margin	[00:01]
The20YearIRCloud	21.3% in q2 2013	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla they got a lotta useless employees you see.	[00:02]
jurov	mircea_popescu: you can use 11 point polynomial, if you insist http://krisgarrett.net/papers/l2approx.pdf	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	is that 10 arbitrary power operations ?	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	i want something with like 3 additions and a division.	[00:03]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[00:04]
jurov	or lol, if the platform has good rng, do monte carlo	[00:04]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 416.0, Best ask: 417.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 417.98, 24 hour volume: 18805.13675508, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.20570792	[00:04]
thestringpuller	awww	[00:04]
thestringpuller	i was hoping to see cheaper coins	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	how much cheaper lol	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	410 is cheaper than 490, which is cheaper thjan the 500s it was which is cheaper than 700 etc	[00:05]
thestringpuller	like 10 dollar coins	[00:06]
thestringpuller	I miss 2012	[00:06]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	miss scarlet, you've had a child now, and you ain't never gonna be 17 and a half again	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	not no mo'.	[00:06]
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thestringpuller	!b9	[00:09]
thestringpuller	!b 9	[00:09]
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BingoBoingo	http://valleywag.gawker.com/techies-are-now-panhandling-for-funding-1636402378/+laceydonohue	[00:11]
assbot	Techies Are Now Panhandling For Funding	[00:11]
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mircea_popescu	it's not panhandling, it's being creative and changing the world revolutionizing,.	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	lol	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	really ycombinator's celebration of the uber scammors sordid approach is the moment there.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	everything after that's just immitation.	[00:15]
thestringpuller	i thought that was facebook...	[00:15]
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mircea_popescu	"When forces that are hostile to socialism try to turn the development of some socialist country towards capitalism, it becomes not only a problem of the country concerned, but a common problem and concern of all socialist countries."	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	the brejnev doctrine survived both brejnev and the soviet union! give the guy obama's nobel prize i say.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[00:21]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 433.66, Best ask: 433.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 431.2, 24 hour volume: 19974.69850384, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.818620067	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	well that was exciting.	[00:22]
los_pantalones	long puts	[00:22]
los_pantalones	=	[00:22]
los_pantalones	suck ass	[00:22]
mike_c	long puts = short difficulty	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[00:22]
gribble	Current Blocks: 321405 \| Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 \| Next Difficulty In: 1154 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 28 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35364022510.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: 18.55293	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	seriously, the sort of imbecile that came up with this plan to push btc downwards on pure spin, while the diff is up bitbet is pointing the other way...	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	think more, desk people. hire BingoBoingo. do something, on your own you're worthless.	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[00:24]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/050WY6P.txt )	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	%t	[00:25]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	%ob	[00:25]
atcbot	45k@282 8k@260 2k@245 \| 80k@198 6k@194 12k@190	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	%v	[00:25]
atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 221 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 181	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	%d	[00:26]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300997.11 in 1009 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.97	[00:26]
ThickAsThieves	maybe one day i'll be employable	[00:26]
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ThickAsThieves	til then, blowstamps!	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	gotta build it.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	you don't become employable by aging, you're not wine.	[00:28]
ThickAsThieves	was kinda joking	[00:28]
ThickAsThieves	i'm employable, just not by you	[00:28]
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ThickAsThieves	nor do i really want to be employed	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	in the literal sense at least	[00:29]
Duffer1	scotland polls closed, counting time	[00:29]
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ThickAsThieves	rather, in the contemporary sense	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	well sure but one never know what kids be reading, get the wrong idea.	[00:30]
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ThickAsThieves	indeed	[00:31]
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los_pantalones	mircea_popescu	[00:45]
los_pantalones	https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/will-bitbet-us-berkshire-resolve-to-yes/	[00:45]
los_pantalones	bet on the bet	[00:45]
los_pantalones	on the bet	[00:45]
nubbins`	heh	[00:46]
assbot	Place prediction on: Will Bitbet.us Berkshire bet resolve to YES	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	Best Marketing Evar!!!	[00:46]
los_pantalones	or is this blatant theft of contract specs ?	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	http://mentalfloss.com/article/58829/good-honest-football-re-watching-xfl	[00:47]
assbot	Good, Honest Football: Re-Watching the XFL \| Mental Floss	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	los_pantalones: No, great Marketing on BitBet that its competitors have to make bets on BitBet bets	[00:48]
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ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[00:52]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 427.93, Best ask: 428.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 428.0, 24 hour volume: 21423.75818318, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.700539902	[00:53]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[00:54]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 428.5, vol: 21444.53124745 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 414.747, vol: 13295.37209 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.62, vol: 37599.14920367 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.956013, vol: 30340.54810000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.18147, vol: 18.12199892 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 430.036238742, vol: 167.41885582 \| Volume-weighted last average: 427.423087606	[00:55]
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mircea_popescu	los_pantalones lol k	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	i suppose its sensible, bitbet is a good signal source.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	better than the usg at any rate/	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	or is this blatant theft of contract specs ? << nah, bitbet is designed/intended as a backstop for an infinity of independent repackagers/customer oriented bookies and assorted venues.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	let people serve their own customers as best they can, and let them have a liquid and powerful marketplace where to unload unwanted risk.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	it's a winning model.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	also completely winds kakobrekla's gui arguments, but this time from the right direction :))	[01:04]
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los_pantalones	welp, tempus fuck it, i'm out of here	[01:08]
los_pantalones	night boys	[01:08]
*	asciilifeform wonders why folks always say they'd like to be 'employable' rather than 'fed and sheltered'	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	there's a difference between being loved and being useful.	[01:09]
asciilifeform	the common rat, mouse, is neither loved nor useful, fed & sheltered still.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	no, the mouse feeds itself.	[01:10]
asciilifeform	from your kitchen, yes.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	"your"	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	apparently it wasn't as your as all that.	[01:11]
asciilifeform	right.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	might of mouse makes right.	[01:11]
asciilifeform	!b 6	[01:11]
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thestringpuller	look at mp and asciilifeform droppin' dat wisdom shit up in here	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	"This event was created to demonstrate the different betting systems. We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site."	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	wtf must one be smoking lol	[01:13]
asciilifeform	speaking of whizzdum - recently read about 'luer's connector' and discovered that some of today's medicine men are campaigning to have it abolished. because dumbshit orderlies can't be trusted not to plug an x hose into a y port (e.g., x == blood 'in' and y == piss 'out')	[01:14]
asciilifeform	so homo americanus answers, gotta have 11111enty different plugs, one for each bodily secretion, medical concoction, and direction of desired flow	[01:15]
asciilifeform	stimulate economy !11!	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	this is how gasoline works.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: well, petrol vs diesel, yes	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	it has actually happened to me once that dumbass gas station kid put diesel in gasoline v8 engine	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	at a time that was rare and expensive.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	i also know first hand of a case where sleepy truck driver put gasoline in his truck. figured it out after ~200 liters in. had to suck it back out	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	took a day.	[01:17]
asciilifeform	afaik you can still do that with the american nozzles	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	in europe it's mostly impossible to fit them x-way	[01:19]
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ThickAsThieves	"We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site. " i cant even think of what that might mean	[01:26]
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ThickAsThieves	that theyll get 2000btc+?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	maybe they figure starting over at weight 100k is somehow going to overrule starting over at 0 pool.	[01:28]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: line operators must be protected from themselves, too, lest the company be held liable for their idiocy. "actuation button A 2.5 ft to the right of press, B 2.5 to the left, press does not fire unless both actuation buttons are pressed together"	[01:29]
ben_vulpes	i always enjoyed imagining the creative ways people might try to circumvent my anti-idiot devices.	[01:29]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i was just about to say.	[01:29]
ben_vulpes	probably the only enjoyable part of that job.	[01:30]
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ben_vulpes	now i've given up on jobs being enjoyable.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	typically at the end of the day there's a crowbar strategically holding down both...	[01:30]
ben_vulpes	gotta release the press eventually.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	also,	[01:30]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2014#785329	[01:30]
assbot	Logged on 07-08-2014 04:57:13; asciilifeform: in oil prospecting, salvage diving, etc. there is a concept where safety measures that the crew will not follow because they 'seen ridiculous' - are useless	[01:30]
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asciilifeform	^ originally described in one of naggum's pieces	[01:31]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes it usually comes down to duct tape	[01:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1304 @ 0.00071999 = 0.9389 BTC [+]	[01:42]
TheNewDeal	;;ticker	[01:45]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 419.08, Best ask: 420.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 419.08, 24 hour volume: 22116.05561929, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 430.465775042	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	http://xkcd.com/217/	[01:53]
assbot	xkcd: e to the pi Minus pi	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	old xkcd's are much better.	[01:53]
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TheNewDeal	;;calc e^pi-pi	[02:05]
gribble	Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://xkcd.com/227/ here's one for you.	[02:05]
assbot	xkcd: Color Codes	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	;;calc e**pi-pi	[02:05]
gribble	19.9990999792	[02:05]
asciilifeform	ahah	[02:08]
asciilifeform	yeah i remember that one..	[02:08]
asciilifeform	goes great with lawrence oates and his 'I am just going outside and may be some time.'	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/no-apple-probably-didnt-get-new-secret-govt-orders-to-hand-over-data/ << Apple's warrant canary disappears, No Big Deal is the report	[02:09]
assbot	No, Apple probably didnt get new secret govt orders to hand over data \| Ars Technica	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	uh	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	im behind. what canary ?	[02:09]
bounce	the canary got NSLed	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You know the notice that says you haven't been issued a warrant, that disappears when you have. Apple's diappeared.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	i didn't know there was a notice	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	where is this notice ?	[02:11]
BingoBoingo	Here's a sample one. http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt I've never seen apple's but Ars is reporting it disappeared	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	"While Apple won't confirm it, the company has removed its warrant canary from its latest transparency report, issued this week. While this could mean that the company has received a new secret government order to provide user data, there is still another more likely possibility: it's not publishing warrant canaries at all."	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	more probable on the basis of what the fuck exactly ?	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	jesus that country's gotten more byzantine	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	this is some prime soviet rib	[02:14]
BingoBoingo	It really is.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: prime soviet rib << the whole 'canary' thing is just the last remnants of 'rule of law' going down the drain, gurgling - like the fabled 'last shit made with home food' of a prisoner	[02:16]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[02:16]
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mircea_popescu	i had somehow completely missed this particular spot	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits	[02:17]
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BingoBoingo	lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/ckm4omt	[02:20]
assbot	apoefjmqdsfls comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us	[02:20]
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BingoBoingo	Oh wikipedia has a recycling bin http://wikibin.org/articles/mircea-popescu.html	[02:22]
assbot	Mircea Popescu	[02:22]
[]bot	Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" http://bitbet.us/bet/1045/	[02:23]
chetty	likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits// that will be the day	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:29]
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TheNewDeal	yes pays 1.46... dayam	[02:32]
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ThickAsThieves	Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" /// noooooooooo	[02:33]
ThickAsThieves	bitbet hurricane insurance open for business!	[02:33]
TheNewDeal	hahaha. maybe nfl injury is next	[02:34]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3470#comic	[02:34]
assbot	Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal	[02:34]
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kakobrekla	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/ckm6d3x	[02:35]
kakobrekla	so eager.	[02:35]
assbot	TeamFairlay comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us	[02:35]
kakobrekla	first fairlay, then moose responds...	[02:36]
TheNewDeal	and then betmoose follows	[02:36]
TheNewDeal	hahah	[02:36]
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TheNewDeal	funny because people were just talking about scamsites that disappear over night, e.g. bitco.in	[02:36]
TheNewDeal	" placed a small bet on No early on, due to the weight. I believe the bet will resolve as Yes, but the payout on No was great at the time.	[02:37]
TheNewDeal	I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time."	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla will end up with them killing each other over who's the real true inheritor of bitbet	[02:39]
ThickAsThieves	so many posts in that reddit start with 'i dont have a clue wtf i'm talmbout, but..."	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	"but I'm on reddit, so" ?	[02:39]
ThickAsThieves	"but i'm hoping you'll think so anyway"	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	that smbc comic is basically bitbet bet process.	[02:40]
TheNewDeal	some bets do need lots of clarification, almost immediately	[02:41]
asciilifeform	in the style of mircea_popescu's 'cryptogram' puzzlers:	[02:41]
asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/0n41XZQ	[02:41]
assbot	Kriptogram! - Imgur	[02:41]
ThickAsThieves	teamfairlay = we are awesomer because you can bet however you want, with 100s of satoshis on the line!	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform one word ?	[02:42]
asciilifeform	only hint - pertains to something actually discussed today.	[02:42]
asciilifeform	two words.	[02:42]
kakobrekla	not a waterfall ?	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	eaglecanaris lol	[02:43]
asciilifeform	nope.	[02:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu nearly ruined it	[02:43]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/cointerra-16nm-shiva-asic/	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	IM TRYING TO SOLVE IT!	[02:44]
TheNewDeal	united nazis	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	nah it has to do with apple	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	american canaries ?	[02:44]
asciilifeform	perhaps BingoBoingo can solve it now	[02:44]
ThickAsThieves	veblen canary?	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	seal canaries ?	[02:44]
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kakobrekla	the flags looks like waterfall to me.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla it's a waterscam	[02:45]
ThickAsThieves	motherland canaries	[02:45]
asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/VJqmxJW3 << answer rot13'd	[02:46]
assbot	jneenag pnanevrf - Pastebin.com	[02:46]
asciilifeform	damn	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	neato	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	lol	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol now you know how i felt.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	for about a year running, 100 or so of these	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	people solved them in ~1 hour.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	took me days to come up with them	[02:47]
asciilifeform	this one sorta forced itself into my skullcase	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	yup same thing.	[02:48]
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BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/man-in-standoff-with-texas-police-is-sending-live-updat-1636550134	[02:50]
assbot	Man in Standoff With Texas Police Is Sending Live Updates From Whisper	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	best thing that could ever happen for whisper.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how long before they start paying people to do this	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	"Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?"	[02:51]
asciilifeform	laugh if you like, but this sod did not sign with key known to be his...	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	heh. bad government can ruin anything.	[02:51]
asciilifeform	so he's really an extra in this film.	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	wtf is kinja	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ""We have confirmation from the interior of the vehicle that this is indeed the guy in the standoff," Slade Sohmer"	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's Nick Denton's Facebook knockoff, except super scam	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	i guess the vehicle is spying on him	[02:53]
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kakobrekla	ok ok i got it: american waterfall watering nazi zombies!	[02:54]
kakobrekla	yes?	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	Waterboard Canary	[02:54]
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asciilifeform	http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/01/20/scotland-leaves-what-happens-flag/ny0XThnF8rUdPk5UlDUXkI/story.html	[02:57]
assbot	If Scotland leaves, what happens to UK’s flag? - Ideas - The Boston Globe	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	why no country has a naked woman for a flag ?	[02:57]
asciilifeform	someone - has to be first.	[02:57]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/further-argentine-weird/	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	i can totally see making stoya the flag of england.	[02:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that's not a museum; it's a typical medieval-style reliquary.	[03:00]
asciilifeform	'sh4rds of th3 tru3 cr0ss'	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:00]
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asciilifeform	typical of both roman & greek church folks, oddly enough.	[03:01]
asciilifeform	http://putnik1.livejournal.com/2048845.html << highly relevant	[03:02]
asciilifeform	^ was a mega-derp in the russian derposphere;	[03:02]
asciilifeform	someone posts photo of young fella in kitchen. tonnes of flamage follow	[03:02]
asciilifeform	about how 'disgusting soviet hovels we lived in!' 'no, you disgusting liberast, fellating american cock' 'no you...' etc	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:03]
asciilifeform	turns out, guess who's making tea with milk.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	it was pretty sad,	[03:03]
asciilifeform	and in what country	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	but it was pretty universal. post ww2 europe was a shithole on par with africa.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	just, fortunately, not inhabited by africans.	[03:04]
asciilifeform	(lenon)	[03:04]
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mike_c	kakobrekla, anyone hit the affiliate lottery today?	[03:08]
kakobrekla	the highest was 0.02897384 it seems	[03:09]
mike_c	so the 1000 was ref free. good for shareholders :)	[03:10]
kakobrekla	but theres some funky stuff going on with aff. are you getting anything out?	[03:10]
mike_c	yeah, the above mentioned was me.	[03:11]
kakobrekla	a, good to hear.	[03:11]
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TheNewDeal	does anyone know the website that allows one to purchase from amazon with bitcoin by proxy?	[03:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 213 @ 0.0075 = 1.5975 BTC [+]	[03:16]
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RagnarDanneskjol	purse.io	[03:17]
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chetty	http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/18-september-russian-fighters-in-swedish-airspace-swedish?ll=54.69764633408021;10.818786621093789&zoom=6	[03:20]
assbot	Russian fighters in swedish airspace. Swedish fighters in pursuit.	[03:20]
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*	kakobrekla has just discovered http://bitbet.su O_o	[03:22]
assbot	BitBet - - -	[03:22]
asciilifeform	lol, mitm proxy ?	[03:23]
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mircea_popescu	iiincredible, #b-a link but info@su ?	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	1JPrww7oTyPr2dk14ep6ZMJaTWUSBpHT3t kakobrekla ours or not ?	[03:25]
kakobrekla	ours	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	so it's a weird clone ? odd.	[03:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28822 @ 0.00075106 = 21.6471 BTC [+] {2}	[03:29]
kakobrekla	o fuck.	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8199 @ 0.00074984 = 6.1479 BTC [-]	[03:30]
asciilifeform	also possible that only mitms certain loads.	[03:30]
asciilifeform	e.g., specific bet, or from specific ip ranges	[03:31]
kakobrekla	its requesting the address from bitbet server with a referral.	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	ima write this up brb	[03:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.16200262 = 1.296 BTC [-] {4}	[03:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	mircea_popescu - the deed bot is complete /demo ready, works like a charm. i think moloko wants to clean up a few things, I'll try to get him to drop in tonight to discuss - might be late	[03:33]
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mircea_popescu	cool.	[03:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.16025261 = 1.923 BTC [-] {7}	[03:34]
RagnarDanneskjol	!up RagnarsBitch	[03:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00075219 = 11.4333 BTC [+]	[03:37]
mike_c	this was my first experience with romania.. i launched my website and some .ro clone pointing at my server popped up a week later.	[03:40]
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mike_c	lol, it's out of date.	[03:43]
mike_c	doesn't have today's action on brk	[03:43]
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mike_c	silly russians	[03:44]
kakobrekla	i think it wont allow you to iframe it so i guess he runs some cronjob and parses it over	[03:44]
kakobrekla	but yeah, you could do it on the fly	[03:44]
kakobrekla	that is how http://josh-zerlan.com works	[03:45]
assbot	BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No \| closed 1 year 7 months ago	[03:45]
asciilifeform	wtf is that	[03:46]
kakobrekla	oh, well ask mp.	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-mystery-the-internet-may-wish-to-help-elucidating/ << looking for comments	[03:49]
assbot	Here’s a mystery the Internet may wish to help elucidating. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bfl scammer, had a deal with betsofbitco.in and other similar junklets to make a fake bfl will deliver bet, then call it "unresolvable" and cancel if they don't.	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	once the divergence between bitbet and the rest was painfully obvious, bfl put 500+ btc on bitbet, then failed to deliver. bitbet didn't cancel their bet.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	cue six weeks campaign about how "bitbet is a scam" and the burial of the actual scams, from high to low.	[03:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7745 @ 0.00074984 = 5.8075 BTC [-]	[03:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29860 @ 0.00074928 = 22.3735 BTC [-] {2}	[03:58]
ThickAsThieves	why does something have to be going on other than a guy that wants to get as many referrals as possible (insecure methods aside)	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	why is he using the glbse/theymos addy ?	[03:59]
ThickAsThieves	because he is one of them	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	why do this then ?!	[04:00]
ThickAsThieves	what should he do?	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	i mean... for any conceivable goal there's a better approach	[04:00]
kakobrekla	its a good idea really. he gets all the money, bitbet does all the work. i wish i came up with it!	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, make abunch of mfa sites ?	[04:00]
ThickAsThieves	seems like a great setup, he can copycat while getting referrals and then one day cash that in by selectively scamming	[04:01]
ThickAsThieves	and then full scam	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	so then wouldn't you have used some new addresses ?	[04:01]
ThickAsThieves	well you now are adding that he is a smart scammer	[04:01]
ThickAsThieves	the glbse guy	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	so if he's that dumb how did he manage to make the clone work.	[04:02]
ThickAsThieves	filed under smart in your records?	[04:02]
ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt hire my plumber to do my taxes?	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	i dunno man, it's so fucking weird...	[04:02]
ThickAsThieves	scammers are pretty weird	[04:03]
ThickAsThieves	so are foreigners	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	so are whores. maybe it's a whore ?	[04:03]
ThickAsThieves	could be	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	cats are also pretty weird...	[04:03]
ThickAsThieves	probly just mike_c tho	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's a cat.	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	yeah is one of you asshats trolling me ?	[04:03]
kakobrekla	cats leave paw traces.	[04:03]
ThickAsThieves	is probly the "can you understand an engine guy"	[04:04]
ThickAsThieves	" guy	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	lol at that glowfrost redditard. "oh, all the bitbet scam reports".	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	except no bitbet scam reports exist, but for libertard heaven there's no need to actually have anything at all. you can just make a sum of all the things you don't have.	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	like the global warming consensus.	[04:05]
ThickAsThieves	scam reporters are notoriously a scam	[04:05]
ThickAsThieves	like BBB	[04:05]
ThickAsThieves	fukn scum	[04:05]
kakobrekla	you just reported a scam as as scam, you scammer.	[04:06]
ThickAsThieves	this is not investment advice!	[04:06]
mike_c	heh, me doing the scam site? plz. btcalpha is more up to date than that thing.	[04:06]
mike_c	although i did scam BB once.	[04:07]
ThickAsThieves	can one site change another site's cookie?	[04:07]
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mike_c	aw, it's gone.	[04:07]
mike_c	but fun for pranks: http://shrturl.co/	[04:08]
assbot	SHRTURL - The web editor	[04:08]
mike_c	ThickAsThieves: no.	[04:08]
mike_c	enforced by browser ofc, like all web sekurity	[04:09]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-mystery-the-internet-may-wish-to-help-elucidating/	[04:09]
kakobrekla	btw the content on .su is like 10 days old	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves not on any browser made after msie 4.0	[04:09]
mike_c	they get bored quickly. how did you find it? usually they don't get much traffic	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	what i don't get is the partial russian translation here and there	[04:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.0007285 = 0.7285 BTC [+] {3}	[04:10]
mike_c	oh, derp. ic on trilema	[04:10]
kakobrekla	mike_c googlefu.	[04:11]
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kakobrekla	what i don't get is the partial russian translation here and there < my guess is it wants to justify its legitimacy by providing translation service.	[04:12]
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mike_c	any of those guys russian? theymos, nefario, etc.?	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	okay, but a) it's such a huge red flag for either russian or english speakers,	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	mike_c nah, they're both brits, and both bums	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	kinda how they met.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	and b) who the fuck translates "do"	[04:13]
kakobrekla	my guess is thermos is not a bum with the forum coins.	[04:13]
mike_c	must be crappy machine translation. ascii?	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	you have no idea how fast bums can go through widnfalls.	[04:14]
mike_c	also, did you try emailing them yet?	[04:14]
kakobrekla	"Hello dear beloved scammer. Can you stop it pretty please?" ?	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	email is kako's dept, and i think he prefers the passive role.	[04:15]
kakobrekla	yeah, i have been degraded to secretary and now i take it up the ass too.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	omg :(	[04:16]
kakobrekla	wait, isn that the passive mode?!	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	you have a dirty mind :D	[04:17]
mike_c	i was thinking more like 'i c you are valuable affiliate partner, who are you?'	[04:18]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c here's the problem : would you credit anything they said ?	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't, which is why i didn't email.	[04:18]
mike_c	depends on what they said. more communication = more opportunities for slipup/information.	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	or the feint thereof.	[04:20]
mike_c	unless you just want to put them on the ignore list.	[04:20]
mike_c	my thoughts go down the path of: 1) start pinging their site, see when it updates. 2) correlate with my server logs and see where they are scraping from	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	you can;t stop scraping.	[04:21]
mike_c	of course. you can report them to google (and maybe even yandex?)	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	actually them being obscure is their main advantage, which is a large part of why i wrote about it	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	there's kinda 0 incentive to report them from a game pov.	[04:23]
mike_c	depends where they get traffic from. if they are pushing seo hard maybe they will be ranking higher than you.	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	yeah, lol. that'll happen.	[04:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00074975 = 9.4843 BTC [+]	[04:24]
mike_c	i don't know how resistant yandex is to black hat seo.	[04:24]
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mircea_popescu	hey kako http://xkcd.com/236/	[04:25]
assbot	xkcd: Collecting Double-Takes	[04:25]
TheNewDeal	oh my, the hidden text is quality on that one	[04:28]
mike_c	big lol. ty for pointing that out.	[04:28]
kakobrekla	.su mentioned on the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130455.msg6181903#msg6181903	[04:32]
assbot	Теханализ и не только	[04:32]
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kakobrekla	in april.	[04:34]
decimation	asciilifeform: your algorithm is a simple version of the "cordic algorithm" which is in use by nearly all dsp pros	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	!up tokyopotato	[04:37]
-assbot-	You voiced tokyopotato for 30 minutes.	[04:37]
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tokyopotato	thanks	[04:37]
tokyopotato	i really need to figure out this WoT thing	[04:38]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla that shit promises to get nasty.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	people might not spot us/su	[04:38]
kakobrekla	>We have a lot of security measures designed to prevent theft of Bitcoins, and recently we've had a bug with the security measures that sometimes causes withdrawals to get stuck. It's been hard to diagnose, because often it's just a handful of withdrawals that get stuck, which doesn't give us a lot of diagnostic data. We actually did an update today that we think might resolve the issue, but we won't know for sure until time passes and	[04:40]
kakobrekla	we don't see more stuck withdrawals.	[04:40]
kakobrekla	security measures so complex they cant understand them them selfs?	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	who's this ?	[04:41]
kakobrekla	kraken	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	lol k	[04:41]
kakobrekla	this has been going on for half a year now	[04:41]
kakobrekla	i dont use them ,just reding up.	[04:41]
TheNewDeal	holy shit	[04:42]
TheNewDeal	is this just a raw translation of bitbet, or is it some scamsite?	[04:42]
kakobrekla	and the response re bug: Dargo, thanks for your fast reply. That speak loud. Many other exchanges are run by monkeys with funny hats! I'll sure look up for unleashing the kraken Smiley	[04:43]
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kakobrekla	only the package matters!	[04:44]
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mircea_popescu	!up SubCreative	[04:44]
-assbot-	You voiced SubCreative for 30 minutes.	[04:44]
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SubCreative	;;ident	[04:44]
gribble	Nick 'SubCreative', with hostmask 'SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin', is not identified.	[04:44]
SubCreative	Hola	[04:44]
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TheNewDeal	looks like all the bitstamp bots have gone to sleep	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you know the stuff's usually paid posting	[04:44]
kakobrekla	TheNewDeal read the trilema article	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	SubCreative hello. who are you ?	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	!up jamesonwa	[04:44]
-assbot-	You voiced jamesonwa for 30 minutes.	[04:44]
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SubCreative	Dev of Cannacoin	[04:45]
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kakobrekla	actually i dont think its paid since if you want to get anything done with kraken you must post a some sort of 'complaint' to ze forum.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	whassat ?	[04:45]
SubCreative	Alt crypto for the Cannabis industry.	[04:45]
jamesonwa	Crypto for cannabis	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea it was an industry	[04:45]
jamesonwa	;;ident	[04:46]
gribble	Nick 'jamesonwa', with hostmask 'jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226', is not identified.	[04:46]
jamesonwa	;;eauth jamesonwa	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	what, and high times is a trade rag ?	[04:46]
gribble	Request successful for user jamesonwa, hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/EE5B1CCF6A25351D	[04:46]
jamesonwa	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:57b01a63a263be6509b5b9a923194473e0b1a45b0cacd9168fc0dc72	[04:46]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user jamesonwa with key EE5B1CCF6A25351D	[04:46]
jamesonwa	;;ident	[04:46]
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danielpbarron	why shouldn't the "cannabis industry" use bitcoin?	[04:46]
kakobrekla	why does the cannabis industry need a coin of its own?	[04:46]
TheNewDeal	EXACTLY what I was just typing	[04:46]
jamesonwa	It's not industry specific to our needs.	[04:46]
kakobrekla	will you make the password unforgettable?	[04:46]
SubCreative	;;ident	[04:46]
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mircea_popescu	a coin with unrememberable passwords may be fun	[04:46]
kakobrekla	does it use proof of smoke?	[04:47]
SubCreative	Where are you from mircea?	[04:47]
TheNewDeal	on a scale of 1 to 10, how is cannacoin's usability?	[04:47]
TheNewDeal	test	[04:47]
danielpbarron	what? the industry needs it's own curreny to debase? What "needs" does Bitcoin not fulfill?	[04:48]
SubCreative	Im from Seattle, WA one of two legal recreational states for marijuana.	[04:48]
decimation	cannabis in the us cannot be purchased with 'bank dollars'	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	SubCreative romania.	[04:48]
decimation	because banks are federally regulated and pot is federally illegal	[04:48]
kakobrekla	decimation whats wrong with buttcoin	[04:48]
SubCreative	Bitcoin is too slow for real world transactions.	[04:48]
TheNewDeal	it's easy enough to stick an atm in a weed shop	[04:48]
decimation	lol	[04:48]
SubCreative	And it's not just a currency, we're a network offering tools and services.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	so how fast is this thing ?	[04:48]
decimation	he's a tool	[04:48]
SubCreative	Im currently developing an entire merchant processing solution and custom trade service.	[04:49]
SubCreative	Just for our merchants in the industry of cannabis.	[04:49]
decimation	in theory one could operate a bitcoin<-> usd atm in a pot shop	[04:49]
tokyopotato	;;eauth tokyopotato	[04:49]
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danielpbarron	SubCreative, a Bitcoin transaction is practically instantaneous -- you'll have to come up with a better pitch than that for your scamcoin if you want to attract any suckers	[04:49]
TheNewDeal	lets say I'm a dispensary purchasing 2kg of medical grade cannabis from a supplier. Is bitcoin too slow?	[04:49]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal can take half an hour...	[04:50]
SubCreative	danielpbarron: You can try to think of it any way you want, we've been around for ~6 months already with no premine and no serious pump/dumps	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/KingdomJock/status/512747671262490624	[04:50]
assbot	Seriously though, is that not a Yes vote on top of the No pile??? /hashtag/indyref?src=hash http://t.co/07kx46cqhW	[04:50]
SubCreative	so scam or pump/dump is kind of out of the question by now...	[04:50]
decimation	colorado already has coloradocoin http://time.com/2839059/colorados-new-pot-banking-law-wont-solve-cash-problems/	[04:50]
assbot	Marijuana Legalization: Colorado Pot Banking Law Passed	[04:50]
tokyopotato	there's many applications for blockchain tech other than currency	[04:50]
tokyopotato	so someone makes their own blockchain? what's the fucking big deal?	[04:51]
SubCreative	TheNewDeal: we're not here to replace BTC	[04:51]
tokyopotato	jesus chris you guys need to quit pissing your pants	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	SubCreative ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ ?	[04:51]
SubCreative	We're here to support and and be apart of the network.	[04:51]
assbot	The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[04:51]
danielpbarron	oh 6 months? well then it couldn't possibly be a scam! how long did gox last?	[04:51]
decimation	there's no problem with altcoins. I am pissing on the idea that they will ever be worth anything	[04:51]
SubCreative	danielpbarron: save it, you guys asked.	[04:51]
SubCreative	I came to participate in a bitcoin-assets channel...	[04:52]
decimation	this ain't 2011 anymore, the ship has sailed	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	SubCreative simmer down lol, people just hate new ideas.	[04:52]
tokyopotato	like Ripple?	[04:53]
danielpbarron	SubCreative, i'm "participating" right back at you :p	[04:53]
SubCreative	danielpbarron, your the same troll from OTC	[04:53]
cazalla	what's with every andreas wannabe spouting "blockchain technology"	[04:53]
The20YearIRCloud	I will replace bitcoin with supercoin	[04:53]
SubCreative	Im not unfamiliar to your name	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	cazalla what'd you have it be, iron plows ? this ain't 2011 bc anymore.	[04:53]
*	danielpbarron is flattered to have such a reputation in -otc	[04:54]
tokyopotato	cazalla: maybe you would prefer "ledger" or "consensus tracker"	[04:54]
xmj	ben_vulpes: around?	[04:54]
SubCreative	It's not a good one :-	[04:54]
SubCreative	;;gettrust danielpbarron	[04:54]
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SubCreative	;;gettrust Peezr	[04:55]
jamesonwa	;;gettrust jamesonwa	[04:55]
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SubCreative	Go home danielpbarron	[04:55]
TheNewDeal	just curious. was blazedout419 involved in any development of these weedalts?	[04:55]
tokyopotato	?	[04:55]
jamesonwa	no	[04:55]
SubCreative	blazed is just an og smokin og	[04:55]
jamesonwa	I think he has his hands in physical coins	[04:55]
danielpbarron	;;gettrust assbot jamesonwa	[04:56]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot jamesonwa	[04:56]
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danielpbarron	yep; you're a nobody	[04:56]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jamesonwa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jamesonwa \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jamesonwa \| Rated since: Mon Nov 5 23:09:47 2012	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	o.o superseparated graph.	[04:56]
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decimation	any altcoin that wants to replace bitcoin as a savings vehicle is going to require overcoming bitcoin's considerable lead in investment, both in terms of expectation of future value and the build-out of proof-of-work devices	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	;;rate jamesonwa 1 Voice	[04:57]
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BingoBoingo	Wait, is the FBI this desperate for TSR leads? First they come to my door all leik, "hurd u leik Bitcoinz" and now People show up on IRC with "This is Bitcoin, but with Weed!"	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	just because they're after you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[04:58]
TheNewDeal	easy phillip k dick	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	SubCreative so is it scrypt ?	[04:59]
jamesonwa	scrypt, migrating to PoS.	[04:59]
SubCreative	Currently, we're moving to a PoS 2.0 model in a few weeks.	[04:59]
TheNewDeal	BB, weed is legal in some states for the record	[04:59]
jamesonwa	yes, PoS 2.0	[04:59]
danielpbarron	migrating?? ...	[04:59]
SubCreative	https://soundcloud.com/cannacoin/cannacoin-podcast-episode-001	[04:59]
assbot	The Cannacoin Podcast - Episode 001 by The Cannacoin Podcast on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds	[04:59]
SubCreative	yes danielpbarron	[04:59]
danielpbarron	"don't mind us -- just manipulating your currency"	[05:00]
SubCreative	That podcast will give you somebackground	[05:00]
kakobrekla	proof of smoke then, noice.	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:00]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal> BB, weed is legal in some states for the record << Remember, it was the bong that did in Charlie Shrem	[05:00]
decimation	how much premining has been done?	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	SubCreative podcasts are a horrible medium. got the transcript somewhere ?	[05:00]
tokyopotato	99% decimation	[05:00]
SubCreative	danielpbarron: last I checked, consensus doesnt' work like that.	[05:00]
tokyopotato	for fairness	[05:00]
SubCreative	mircea_popescu: Ill give you a interview that covers some of it.	[05:01]
SubCreative	https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6aEafesvlyc&ei=BY4bVIn-JsrvoATjyIKYCQ&usg=AFQjCNE_XH6hZiWR5KFb4DKd-c3m-gw9Wg&sig2=pX94budEV2A62QKx6R8sfg&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cGU	[05:01]
TheNewDeal	It was a pot brownie, as far as I recall	[05:01]
SubCreative	https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcoinjoint.info%2Fcannacoin-interview-new-cryptocurrency-contender-cannabis-market%2F&ei=BY4bVIn-JsrvoATjyIKYCQ&usg=AFQjCNEh1E9Ypw6_1t1DmC7PekLZF4eIAQ&sig2=sY8q8xxvzqaNt4ivpW4rEA&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cGU	[05:01]
SubCreative	stupid google	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	this hurt.	[05:01]
TheNewDeal	and galavanting around like an asshole	[05:01]
SubCreative	http://coinjoint.info/cannacoin-interview-new-cryptocurrency-contender-cannabis-market/	[05:01]
assbot	Cannacoin Interview: A new cryptocurrency contender for the cannabis market - CoinJoint.info	[05:01]
danielpbarron	it's probably easy to get consensus for your changes from what few idiots would actually use such a thing, SubCreative	[05:02]
tokyopotato	TheNewDeal: weed is legal in WA state	[05:02]
TheNewDeal	I've been there, I smoked it	[05:02]
TheNewDeal	shows just how horrible an idea it was to legalize	[05:02]
tokyopotato	TheNewDeal: you should have stopped and hung out with us, you'd have smoked a lot more	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	http://xkcd.com/256/ << what is this, 2000 ?	[05:03]
tokyopotato	Well... if you pay for weed, yeah, but if you grow it... that's a bit different	[05:03]
assbot	xkcd: Online Communities	[05:03]
TheNewDeal	colorado had the right idea with MJM	[05:03]
TheNewDeal	took a step back with recreational	[05:03]
tokyopotato	time will tell	[05:03]
TheNewDeal	and now washington just shit the bed	[05:03]
tokyopotato	yup, medical is priority #1 right now in WA	[05:03]
tokyopotato	for the growers/dispensaries	[05:03]
TheNewDeal	acting like they couldn't source 1000g of weed after 6 months	[05:03]
TheNewDeal	a teenager could do such a thing	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal a teenager could have done the obamacare site, too	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	what's your point	[05:04]
TheNewDeal	my point is this	[05:04]
TheNewDeal	the prices could not compete with street prices	[05:04]
decimation	why didn't you cannacoin guys consider using ethereum?	[05:04]
TheNewDeal	the supply couldnt keep up with demand	[05:04]
tokyopotato	decimation: who says we didn't?	[05:05]
ben_vulpes	xmj: yessss?	[05:05]
decimation	okay, well why did you reject ethereum?	[05:05]
xmj	ben_vulpes: are you looking for anything sysadmin payable in BTC, then?	[05:05]
tokyopotato	decimation: when did we reject ethereum?	[05:05]
SubCreative	Its not a rejceted idea by any means.	[05:05]
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SubCreative	An early untested experiment yes...	[05:05]
xmj	Also, for once I agree with Paul Graham https://twitter.com/paulg/status/512776361824354304	[05:05]
assbot	Political correctness is Victorian propriety with the variables changed.	[05:05]
xmj	He seems to have been reading Moldbug.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	!up BuSheeZy	[05:06]
-assbot-	You voiced BuSheeZy for 30 minutes.	[05:06]
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BuSheeZy	:O	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal of course not. govt can't compete with free market.	[05:06]
BuSheeZy	thank ya	[05:06]
danielpbarron	is ethereum even a thing yet? i thought it was still just a pipe dream..	[05:06]
TheNewDeal	anyways, would love to meet up with you all the next time I'm in the state	[05:06]
decimation	"Thomas More: Richard, you couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight."	[05:06]
SubCreative	danielpbarron, they have live betas	[05:06]
SubCreative	And a few clients out	[05:07]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/512762950642196480	[05:07]
TheNewDeal	I actually travel to colorado more frequently	[05:07]
tokyopotato	TheNewDeal: we would love to have you	[05:07]
assbot	Dundee counting staff outside after being evacuated due to fire alarm. It looks a little chilly... http://t.co/xzdZqv4Dkv	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves nipples ?	[05:07]
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ThickAsThieves	nah	[05:07]
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mircea_popescu	no click.	[05:08]
TheNewDeal	;;rate tokyopotato May be worth a meet in WA. re: log 9/19 02:00	[05:08]
gribble	Error: 'May' is not a valid integer.	[05:08]
ThickAsThieves	poll staff all evacuated during counting	[05:08]
TheNewDeal	;;rate tokyopotato 1 May be worth a meet in WA. re: log 9/19 02:00	[05:08]
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TheNewDeal	eww	[05:08]
TheNewDeal	who's all in your crew tokyopotato	[05:08]
SubCreative	assbot has changed mode: -v tokyopotato	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	!up tokyopotato	[05:10]
-assbot-	You voiced tokyopotato for 30 minutes.	[05:10]
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mircea_popescu	gotta get in the wot	[05:10]
tokyopotato	just reinstalled and got new interwebs	[05:10]
tokyopotato	kk	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	make sure you ecologically dispose of the old interwebs	[05:11]
tokyopotato	lol	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	don't just throw them on the superhighway	[05:11]
tokyopotato	yeah buddy, we compost everything in the PNW	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	i used to compost in romania. people were incensed.	[05:11]
tokyopotato	ha	[05:11]
kakobrekla	so i listened bits of that podcast - you need to read all the logs. twice.	[05:11]
tokyopotato	that's a funny mental image	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what is this, 7 years in tibet ?	[05:12]
TheNewDeal	7 years in bitbet :D	[05:12]
kakobrekla	hope it works?	[05:12]
TheNewDeal	a short novella by thenewdeal	[05:12]
tokyopotato	you guys have a resident stand-up comedian?	[05:12]
asciilifeform	decimation: yes.	[05:12]
tokyopotato	i like this place	[05:12]
asciilifeform	decimation: what did you think it was - alien magic ?	[05:12]
kakobrekla	thats in the other closet.	[05:12]
decimation	asciilifeform: no, just wanted to fyi for the readers	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	the dongs closet ?	[05:13]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORDIC << what we are writing about	[05:13]
assbot	CORDIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[05:13]
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mircea_popescu	decimation table lookup!!1	[05:14]
kakobrekla	!up SubCreative	[05:14]
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SubCreative	!network	[05:15]
kakobrekla	!lollipop	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	!pippi longstocking	[05:15]
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kakobrekla	that worked.	[05:15]
decimation	mircea_popescu: yeah that's pretty much the idea. it's amazing that such a seemingly 'approximate' algorithm can be made arbitrarily precise through iteration	[05:15]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	decimation no, actually, that's a requirement for numbers to work.	[05:16]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: the .su folks are scraping from an identifiable box / ip range ?	[05:17]
kakobrekla	its coming from the ip that the site is hosted on.	[05:17]
asciilifeform	mm, classy	[05:17]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: feed'em something interesting (let's say mismatched delimiters) & then fetch their turd a few msec after.	[05:18]
decimation	well, there's nothing like putting a national flag on your pirate ship	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	;;isitdown bitbet.su	[05:19]
gribble	bitbet.su is down	[05:19]
asciilifeform	decimation: nothing like tossing a gram of antimatter aboard annoying bugger ship	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	as thestringpuller reports, it's gone.	[05:19]
asciilifeform	nope	[05:19]
asciilifeform	works great here.	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	um ?	[05:19]
The20YearIRCloud	i wnat antimatter	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[05:19]
The20YearIRCloud	*want	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud better stock up on antimattercoin then	[05:19]
The20YearIRCloud	sweet	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	it's a coin specific to the industry. plus platform.	[05:19]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform seems like they only do live fetch when its time to pull an address. anyway, what would be the gain doing that - i fail to see?	[05:20]
asciilifeform	see if coughs up guts.	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	he's a hacker at heart.	[05:20]
decimation	avast! overflow ye buffers!	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	prolly going to name his child STAN&1=0--	[05:21]
asciilifeform	after coughs up guts - haruspicy.	[05:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: xkcd did that one already.	[05:21]
xmj	ben_vulpes: that's a no ?	[05:21]
asciilifeform	# 327.	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform o it also has to be original ?!	[05:21]
asciilifeform	'little bobby tables'	[05:21]
kakobrekla	well i guess we can try but i much doubt anything good will come out of it	[05:22]
decimation	asciilifeform: apparently altium is going to release a 'free' version of their windows crapware	[05:24]
decimation	the hook: you can only save to their 'cloud'	[05:24]
asciilifeform	decimation: loltronics.	[05:24]
asciilifeform	i bet all the other turdmeisters are ripping their hair out 'why didnchaithinkofthat'	[05:25]
decimation	this rings a gong for those interested in jumping off the crapware wagon: use kicad	[05:25]
asciilifeform	now if only kicad worked.	[05:25]
decimation	it might suck but at least it won't turn your project into a freemium hook	[05:25]
decimation	plus: can fork, like open bsd apache 1.3	[05:26]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#712702	[05:26]
assbot	Logged on 11-06-2014 02:35:54; decimation: what part failed - the autorouter?	[05:26]
asciilifeform	'geda' is considerably closer to working.	[05:26]
asciilifeform	but - still no dice. if you're even a little unlucky (like yours truly) and your geometry is just so - geda's polygonal fills fall apart.	[05:27]
asciilifeform	after several weeks of 'doctor it hurts when i do that / don't do that' i threw in the towel.	[05:27]
decimation	supposedly the kicad autorouter has been improved	[05:28]
decimation	but that's like lucy's football	[05:28]
asciilifeform	since april ?	[05:28]
decimation	I think so, let me check	[05:28]
asciilifeform	decimation: don't bother. it isn't just the autorouter.	[05:28]
asciilifeform	the fucker doesn't even refresh the screen correctly under a perfectly ordinary linux/x11	[05:28]
asciilifeform	they don't test linux ver. - is the only possible conclusion.	[05:28]
decimation	yeah, it's sad that even open source engineering tools are written for microshit	[05:29]
decimation	but, it is a pretty tall mountain of chairs, if you want to use it for a foundation for something better :)	[05:29]
*	asciilifeform is quite uninterested in flying on chairs.	[05:30]
ben_vulpes	what, you don't even get in airplanes?	[05:30]
decimation	I think that CERN are contributing to kicad these days	[05:30]
asciilifeform	situations like this are more interesting than appear on surface - because they make it abundantly clear that no one really gives a flying fuck if the thing works or not	[05:30]
asciilifeform	and if anyone is using it for serious work, they are using a patched version and aren't sharing	[05:30]
asciilifeform	so hell knows what other gotchas are in the public turdball.	[05:31]
decimation	apparently they have too many bezzlars/postdocs to do more physics	[05:31]
decimation	yeah, there's not a working osx port either	[05:31]
asciilifeform	if any of the humble labs i worked in / toured/ invaded are anything to go by - none of the postdocs design pcb - why??	[05:32]
asciilifeform	they use racks and racks of off-the-shelf golden toilet modules and kilometres of cabling	[05:33]
decimation	asciilifeform: golden toliet	[05:33]
decimation	if they reset the research budget to $2000 they couldn't afford the bezzle-equipment	[05:33]
asciilifeform	http://www.ikp.uni-koeln.de/~warr/doc/CERN_photos_2004/imm004_3A.jpg	[05:34]
asciilifeform	^ scenes like this.	[05:34]
asciilifeform	wasn't hard to dredge up, either.	[05:34]
decimation	that's probably well over $100k of equipment	[05:35]
asciilifeform	why bother with pcb routing / etching / subcontracting when monkeys will run cable forever	[05:35]
dub	that looks like a 3d render of a reason rack	[05:35]
mats_cd03	http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/09/18/2216222/apples-warrant-canary-has-died	[05:35]
assbot	Apple's "Warrant Canary" Has Died - Slashdot	[05:35]
decimation	asciilifeform: this is largely the case even in electrical engineering labs	[05:36]
asciilifeform	when these people do design boards (i have seen this, believe or not) it's typically done by a kid with w4r3z cad proggy.	[05:36]
dub	hmm, last looked at reason a looong time ago	[05:36]
decimation	asciilifeform: they probably just click the 'autoroute' key	[05:36]
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decimation	http://teespring.com/autorouter	[05:37]
assbot	NEVER trust the autorouter \| Teespring	[05:37]
ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[05:39]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 422.1, Best ask: 422.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 422.79, 24 hour volume: 21826.17994814, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 451.4, 24 hour vwap: 428.525841782	[05:39]
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ben_vulpes	;;sell 10	[05:39]
gribble	(sell [at\|@] []) -- Logs a sell order for units of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox\|bitstamp)(ask\|bid\|last\|high\|low\|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)	[05:39]
TheNewDeal	;;market sell 10	[05:39]
gribble	Bitstamp \| A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4219.4919 USD and would take the last price down to 421.7300 USD, resulting in an average price of 421.9492 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 142.6649 seconds	[05:40]
ben_vulpes	thanks, TheNewDeal	[05:40]
TheNewDeal	;)	[05:40]
ben_vulpes	;;market sell 2000	[05:40]
gribble	Bitstamp \| A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 817749.7190 USD and would take the last price down to 400.1300 USD, resulting in an average price of 408.8749 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 153.0889 seconds	[05:40]
ben_vulpes	;;market sell 10000	[05:40]
TheNewDeal	;;market sell 2000000	[05:40]
gribble	Bitstamp \| A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 3671722.1909 USD and would take the last price down to 270.1200 USD, resulting in an average price of 367.1722 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 162.5575 seconds	[05:40]
gribble	Bitstamp \| This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 112732.42 bitcoins, for a total of 4941219.5228 USD and take the price to 0. \| Data vintage: 162.7177 seconds	[05:40]
dub	doit	[05:40]
TheNewDeal	2 BILLION dollars	[05:40]
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ThickAsThieves	to the core!	[05:40]
ben_vulpes	can one model the effect cross-exchange?	[05:40]
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ThickAsThieves	one could program it, i dont think gribble has such	[05:41]
ThickAsThieves	;;market sell 10 ---market btce	[05:41]
gribble	(market sell [--fiat] [--market ] [--currency XXX] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, denotes the size of the order in fiat.	[05:41]
ThickAsThieves	;;market sell 10 --market btce	[05:41]
gribble	(market sell [--fiat] [--market ] [--currency XXX] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, denotes the size of the order in fiat.	[05:41]
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ThickAsThieves	;;market sell --market btce --currency 10	[05:42]
gribble	Error: '10' is not a valid currency code.	[05:42]
dub	;;market sell 10 [--market btce]	[05:42]
gribble	Error: "--market" is not a valid command.	[05:42]
ThickAsThieves	;;market sell 10 --market btce --currency USD	[05:42]
gribble	(market sell [--fiat] [--market ] [--currency XXX] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, denotes the size of the order in fiat.	[05:42]
ThickAsThieves	;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 10	[05:43]
gribble	BTC-E \| A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4108.8243 USD and would take the last price down to 410.4270 USD, resulting in an average price of 410.8824 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0005 seconds	[05:43]
ThickAsThieves	nppya!	[05:43]
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ben_vulpes	wd	[05:43]
ben_vulpes	;;market sell --market bitstamp --currency USD 1000	[05:43]
gribble	Bitstamp \| A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 415085.0852 USD and would take the last price down to 407.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 415.0851 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds	[05:43]
ben_vulpes	;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 1000	[05:43]
gribble	BTC-E \| This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 191.29848 bitcoins, for a total of 77860.4017 USD and take the price to 0. \| Data vintage: 33.1611 seconds	[05:43]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[05:43]
ben_vulpes	;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 100	[05:44]
gribble	BTC-E \| A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 40860.7184 USD and would take the last price down to 405.9010 USD, resulting in an average price of 408.6072 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 60.6819 seconds	[05:44]
ben_vulpes	;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 500	[05:44]
gribble	BTC-E \| This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 191.29848 bitcoins, for a total of 77860.4017 USD and take the price to 0. \| Data vintage: 66.5407 seconds	[05:44]
ben_vulpes	apologies for spam.	[05:44]
ben_vulpes	just plotting points.	[05:44]
dub	repent spammar	[05:44]
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strtupfndr	so have i told you about this magical aeroplane?	[05:44]
decimation	;;ident strupfndr	[05:44]
gribble	Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.	[05:44]
decimation	;;ident strtupfndr	[05:45]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform no cigar on the .su but i did inject them with JS turning warning the visitors.	[05:45]
gribble	Nick 'strtupfndr', with hostmask 'strtupfndr!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.	[05:45]
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decimation	!up subcreative	[05:45]
strtupfndr	it's got wifi and gpg	[05:45]
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decimation	!up subcreative	[05:45]
ben_vulpes	anyways.	[05:45]
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kakobrekla	-turning	[05:45]
ben_vulpes	is running a consulting shop and sucking dollars out of shartups a short on the bezzle market?	[05:46]
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decimation	ben_vulpes: I suspect this is how most money is 'made' in silly-con valley	[05:47]
ben_vulpes	k	[05:48]
decimation	imagine you just convinced your daddy's golf buddy to give you $100mn in seed money. you are now the 'bitcoin ceo' of your own startup! how do you make your 'idea' work? rent the talent that your roommate from stanford used for his startup!	[05:50]
ben_vulpes	yeah, precisely.	[05:50]
ben_vulpes	"i'll take the cash, you can keep the paper."	[05:50]
decimation	meanwhile hire some 'zeks' and pay the half the median wage for their salary, in exchange for some vague promises of stock	[05:50]
gernika	I am a consultant in silly-con valley	[05:51]
decimation	gernika: is it working for you?	[05:51]
gernika	definitely the way to go IMO	[05:51]
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mats_cd03	o boy, Cannacoin	[05:51]
ben_vulpes	i don't really buy that part decimation. the people who do rounds easily understand the problems of shitty software, and are loath to hire zeks at sub market wages.	[05:51]
mats_cd03	save yourselves thousands of hours of dev and just kill it right now	[05:52]
ben_vulpes	which, i guess, is why they come to me. "please write some not shitty software. i'll pay you 1.25x market just so i can keep the paper and the software and not have to manage the zeks."	[05:52]
The20YearIRCloud	zeks? Are those like zergs?	[05:52]
gernika	I don't work with low wage people.	[05:52]
decimation	lol there you go	[05:52]
The20YearIRCloud	decimation: that method works great! (1/50th of the time)	[05:53]
mike_c	;;market baratio	[05:53]
gribble	Bitstamp \| Total bids: 4947423 USD. Total asks: 26576 BTC. Ratio: 186.15534 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 12.5409 seconds	[05:53]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea%E2%80%93Baltic_Canal#Commemoration	[05:53]
assbot	White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[05:53]
decimation	gernika: how did you manage to establish your bona fides?	[05:54]
The20YearIRCloud	ah very cool	[05:54]
The20YearIRCloud	we have a canal here	[05:54]
The20YearIRCloud	linking the great lakes to the missisippi	[05:54]
kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/t/Ep/47U5DHvV/bbsu.png	[05:55]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: the midwest was webbed with them until railroads made them obsolete	[05:55]
ben_vulpes	lol wd kakobrekla	[05:55]
gernika	decimation: I slaved at startups for years. Meanwhile my friends were actually making money consulting. I just started working for my friends.	[05:56]
The20YearIRCloud	the one around me was one of the largest canals during the pre-railroad days	[05:56]
The20YearIRCloud	and it's so funny because the canal is so freaking small	[05:56]
The20YearIRCloud	but, if you dug 400+ miles of canal by hand, how far would you really want it?	[05:56]
ben_vulpes	fuck	[05:57]
ben_vulpes	startups	[05:57]
ben_vulpes	so hard	[05:57]
mats_cd03	you sound disgruntled, sir	[05:58]
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decimation	The20YearIRCloud: in the UK they still have most of their canals, you can rent a narrowboat and cruise them: http://www.waterwaysholidays.com/	[05:58]
gernika	I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota than I was working at the big name tech company that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups.	[05:58]
assbot	Canal Boating Holidays. Narrowboat Barge and Norfolk Broads Boat Hire	[05:58]
mats_cd03	http://www.woodmann.com/forum/announcement.php?f=55 >> Woodmann about to starve. shame...	[05:58]
assbot	403 Forbidden	[05:58]
decimation	gernika: I've noticed that it's a common pattern in today's economy: kid goes to work for borg-firm, gives up his flower of youth, and then later finds employment profiting on the idiocy he witnessed earlier	[06:00]
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gernika	decimation which is no compensation for giving up the flower of your youth for corporate america sadly	[06:01]
The20YearIRCloud	very cool decimation	[06:02]
The20YearIRCloud	anymore around here people just use the canals for fishing	[06:02]
decimation	gernika: indeed, unfortunately there's no undergrad class on how not to be a chump	[06:04]
ben_vulpes	gernika decimation: there's some value in witnessing the chumpatron from the inside.	[06:04]
ben_vulpes	one must extract it oneself, but...	[06:04]
ben_vulpes	in which scenarios is this not true.	[06:04]
ben_vulpes	s/./?	[06:05]
decimation	in taleb's antifragile, Fat Tony would have said that the chumps wouldn't believe you if you told them	[06:05]
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ben_vulpes	wouldn't believe what?	[06:06]
decimation	they wouldn't believe that chumpatrons exist and that they were all likely to enter one	[06:07]
ben_vulpes	ah yeah	[06:09]
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ben_vulpes	the house discussion with these people is a great example.	[06:09]
ben_vulpes	"well of course you want to build equity!"	[06:10]
The20YearIRCloud	which people	[06:10]
ben_vulpes	and when you sell your house, do you account for all of the property taxes you've paid over its lifetime? the repairs made? the endless time spent fixing it?	[06:11]
ben_vulpes	keeping the yard looking adequately neat to keep the homeowners association gruntled?	[06:11]
ben_vulpes	tell me - how do you book those expenses, and how do you tally the ROI?	[06:11]
mats_cd03	i was under the impression selling homes is a matter of finding bagholders	[06:12]
mats_cd03	at least in usa	[06:12]
decimation	ben_vulpes: don't forget the usg 'subsidy' of mortgages	[06:12]
gernika	then there's the fact that when your house goes up in value, so does everyone else's, so its not like you can sell it and buy a bigger house. And if you don't buy another house with the proceeds of selling your house, you pay a lot of taxes.	[06:13]
ben_vulpes	i just let the girl paint the walls whatever and book the deposit as a cost of renting.	[06:14]
decimation	gernika: not unless it is your primary residence and your gains are less than $500k (as I recall)	[06:14]
ben_vulpes	breaking news: my little brother just got knocked off his bike	[06:15]
ben_vulpes	nobodycares.com	[06:15]
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ben_vulpes	but a hit and run! what assholes.	[06:15]
decimation	call the democratic police, maybe they care	[06:16]
mats_cd03	still whole, i hope?	[06:16]
The20YearIRCloud	mortgage interest can be deducted from taxes	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[06:17]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 423.24, Best ask: 424.54, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 424.0, 24 hour volume: 21726.76443010, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 451.15, 24 hour vwap: 428.502197043	[06:17]
decimation	ben_vulpes: I think the renting vs. buying thing is a generational shift in the us	[06:18]
decimation	people younger than 40 are seeing how much their parents bought into the 'housing is infinite wealth' idea and they see how they were screwed	[06:18]
decimation	plus many of them bought & were screwed on homes	[06:18]
ben_vulpes	then there's the need to continue paying rent forever.	[06:18]
decimation	you gotta live somewhere	[06:19]
ben_vulpes	sure, but if the point is to eventually own it free and clear and not pay rent, property taxes still count as rent.	[06:19]
ben_vulpes	to me at least.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re the cern cabling : part of it is that they know it's gonna fail.	[06:19]
decimation	totally agree, you never 'own' anything in the us	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	if you recall, they failed for years before it even could be powered on	[06:20]
ben_vulpes	decimation: i'm not convinced that i can own anything but btc any more.	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	what pcbs.	[06:20]
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ben_vulpes	and even that...	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	you can always own a good woman.	[06:20]
decimation	mircea_popescu: but they 'spend' billions of 'money'?	[06:20]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: some guys can	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	decimation money isn't what it used to be.	[06:21]
ben_vulpes	ownership is the hallmark of the elite?	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	the alele elite. fun to say	[06:21]
ben_vulpes	;;ud alele	[06:21]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Ronnie+Alele \| by ronnie Alele May 30, 2005 add a video add an image. 2. mana. female genetalia.(pussy). shes got a great mana. mark as favorite buy mana mugs & shirts.	[06:21]
ben_vulpes	http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/PEEPS/williams_grace_alele.html	[06:22]
decimation	I thought you meant allele	[06:22]
ben_vulpes	apropos of naught	[06:22]
decimation	;;dict allele	[06:22]
gribble	wn: allele n 1: (genetics) either of a pair (or series) of alternative forms of a gene that can occupy the same locus on a particular chromosome and that control the same character; "some alleles are dominant over others" [syn: {allele}, {allelomorph}]	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	each of the genes that could occupy a spot.	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	decimation yup	[06:22]
ben_vulpes	allele	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	http://shrani.si/f/t/Ep/47U5DHvV/bbsu.png << kako in active role.	[06:23]
ben_vulpes	see now i'm in this horrible place where i think i know when you've made a mispelling, but then i double guess, then...	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes my ll is broken cause spanish. talk to ascillifeform	[06:23]
kakobrekla	email v2.0	[06:23]
ben_vulpes	asheele	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	bitbetmessage	[06:24]
decimation	I thought that definition 2 of the urban dictionary is what you were going after	[06:24]
kakobrekla	lol	[06:24]
decimation	;;ud mana	[06:24]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mana \| Mana is the founder of Malice Mizer, one of the most well known Japanese visual -kei bands. He is responsible for discovering the all poppular Gackt...	[06:24]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, i mostly came back for the lsdcoin discussion	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	what happened to that	[06:24]
decimation	that kinda petered out right as you left	[06:26]
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decimation	we've been derping about some technical stuff, gernika, ben_vulpes and I were talking about the silly-con valley employment scam	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	gernika: I am a consultant in silly-con valley << win.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	as i wallk through the valley of the silly con	[06:27]
gernika	mircea_popescu lol seems to be better than other things I've tried	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	i fear no evil...	[06:27]
kakobrekla	its useless that coin. some btc fan late to the party. and we wont use litecoin that is made to supposedly solve that supposed problem because you cant really smoke 'lite'.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i was going to give it to him slowly, but danielpbarron had to go all teenager hormonal on the nice ppls.	[06:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00075023 = 15.6423 BTC [+] {2}	[06:28]
thestringpuller	%t	[06:28]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A	[06:29]
thestringpuller	%diff	[06:29]
thestringpuller	%tslb	[06:29]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300390.52 in 1004 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.01	[06:29]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 46 minutes	[06:29]
kakobrekla	you slowly? have you been smoking that thing?	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud: zeks? Are those like zergs? << gulag prisoner labor in soviet research.	[06:29]
The20YearIRCloud	ah	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla las chicas wearing me out man	[06:30]
kakobrekla	hehehe	[06:30]
The20YearIRCloud	are my kids candidates for the poster prize thing?	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	not unless you're the sort of guy that makes them pay rent.	[06:30]
asciilifeform	'zek' ~= 'inmate', from pseudo-abbreviation 'з/к' for 'заключённый' (inmate, 'confined one')	[06:31]
decimation	the canonical book on the topic: http://klassix.net/keith/Kindle%20Backup%202-20-11/documents/First%20Circle,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt	[06:31]
decimation	the wikipedia says that there's an even deeper meaning derived from the beginnings of the gulag system: "A memory of the canal is also preserved in the Russian language, in the words "zeka", "zek, z/k" for "inmate". In Russian, "inmate", "incarcerated" is заключённый (zakliuchyonnyi), usually abbreviated to "з/к" in paperwork, and pronounced as "зэка" (IPA: [zɨˈka], "zeh-KA"), which gradually transformed into "	[06:32]
decimation	зэк" and "зек", zek (both pronounced as IPA: [ˈzɛk]). The word is still in colloquial use. "	[06:32]
asciilifeform	well yes, that.	[06:33]
decimation	"Originally the abbreviation stood for zaklyuchyonny kanaloarmeyets (Russian: заключённый каналоармеец), literally "incarcerated canal-army-man"."	[06:33]
kakobrekla	zek is a rabbit.	[06:33]
asciilifeform	^ more or less known to everyone who speaks the langauge	[06:33]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: where?	[06:35]
kakobrekla	well here i guess.	[06:35]
decimation	I find learning another language to be a good way to find out how I am ignorant of things that millions of children know	[06:35]
kakobrekla	or what where	[06:35]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: and not 'zajec' or the like ?	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	they don';t distinguish	[06:36]
kakobrekla	officially, but zek in many dialects	[06:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: we don't usually bother to distinguish either.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	unserious, all of you!	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	decimation: The20YearIRCloud: in the UK they still have most of their canals, you can rent a narrowboat and cruise them: http://www.waterwaysholidays.com/ <<< i did this.	[06:37]
assbot	Canal Boating Holidays. Narrowboat Barge and Norfolk Broads Boat Hire	[06:37]
The20YearIRCloud	Very cool, i imagine it'd be fun	[06:37]
The20YearIRCloud	here people just jetski down rivers :D	[06:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: believe or not, the canals here are also preserved. though i bet the neighbours wish someone'd fill them in.	[06:37]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform http://www.zek.si/fresh/exhibition-zek-2012/	[06:37]
assbot	The ZEK Crew » EXHIBITION ZEK (2012)	[06:37]
asciilifeform	they're pestilential cesspools	[06:37]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: I haven't done the narrowboats, are they a good time?	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	decimation well that all depends. they're exactly what advertised on tin	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	also did a dudley mines on boat tour thing	[06:39]
decimation	asciilifeform: my favorite quote from "in the first circle": "A familiar figure in many prison research establishments, Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form, put down his nationality not as 'Russian' but as 'zek', had applied his mind to many inventions, from the direct flow boiler to the jet engine, and had put his heart and soul into several of them."	[06:39]
decimation	mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the narrowboats are popular with chums who 'pub crawl' on water	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	gernika: I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota than I was working at the big name tech company that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups. << acquihires are usually pitiful affairs that rarely work	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	no idea why they keep doing it	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	decimation kinda what i meant. depends on your crowd. can conceivably be awful, can be pretty fun	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	might also depend on age.	[06:41]
decimation	I wanna ride this device: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkirk_Wheel	[06:43]
assbot	Falkirk Wheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:43]
gernika	mircea_popescu: agreed. not a viable outcome for employees. Although in my case they kept our product alive until it was killed in a second acquisition so it was sort of a semi-acquihire. Still a complete waste of money.	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	and time.	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	at least quick death is merciful on time	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	decimation that looks pretty cool.	[06:44]
gernika	so true	[06:44]
asciilifeform	'With an ugh! and a groan, and a kick of the heels, / Death comes quiet, or it comes with squeals...'	[06:45]
decimation	asciilifeform: I'm pretty sure the warez book I linked above is a shitty translation	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	re the houseowning discussion : house market is commodified. carrying the cost of inventory makes no sense whatsoever, unless it does. and if it does you want the economies of scale and 100s of unit.s	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	there's this... can't be your own car mechanic. it's just not worth it.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	similarly, can't be your own landlord. not worth it.	[06:50]
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The20YearIRCloud	economies of scale for building or what?	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	sure, some people enjoy, either, as a hobby. some people do their own tattoos.	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	still not a global solution.	[06:51]
decimation	mircea_popescu: there's this thing in American culture that you aren't a 'real person' if you don't 'own' your home	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud no, for administering real estate.	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	decimation there used to be this thing that you're not a real woman if you give good head	[06:51]
The20YearIRCloud	agent or property management?	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	so what of it ?	[06:51]
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mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud the latter.	[06:51]
The20YearIRCloud	yeah, property management is terrible for income	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	try doing it with just one unit.	[06:52]
The20YearIRCloud	Yeah, except if you own it	[06:52]
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mircea_popescu	it doesn't magically get better if you own it	[06:52]
decimation	'own'	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	it gets fucking worse.	[06:52]
The20YearIRCloud	the management aspect is pretty easy, not very time consuming. The problem is for an outside manager, the income you can charge is quite low	[06:53]
The20YearIRCloud	Around here it's 8%	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	maintaining a house is a full time job.	[06:53]
The20YearIRCloud	Depends on the house	[06:54]
The20YearIRCloud	we don't spend significant sums of time on upkeep	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	simple question for "homeowners". calculate your per-passerby liability for injury happening on "your" sidewalk. just as a curio.	[06:55]
decimation	'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth'	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	by th time you're done with that, it should be clear why it's not the headache you want.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	decimation and partially unbounded liability.	[06:55]
The20YearIRCloud	mircea_popescu: some states/countries exempt homeowners from stuff like that, i know mine does	[06:55]
decimation	mircea_popescu: in the us you can buy "umbrella insurance" for such a possibility	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud but not from other, similar things.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation not my point.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	how do you know you're not getting gypped ?	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	just because you can "buy umbrella insurance" doesn't mean it's not there.	[06:56]
The20YearIRCloud	what things?	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	thw work is still there, even if you piecemeal it away.	[06:56]
decimation	true, somebody pays	[06:56]
The20YearIRCloud	case law in my state is quite favorable to the homeowner for accidents caused on-site	[06:57]
The20YearIRCloud	and the risk factor is quite low when you look at broad groups of data for occurance rates. If it was high then there'd be no one doing management or landlording	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud what happens if you don't get your triannual inspection for electric wires ?	[06:57]
The20YearIRCloud	those don't exist here	[06:57]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: the real screwjob is trying to insure unoccupied properties	[06:57]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: don't you need to have an inspector come by before you rent?	[06:58]
The20YearIRCloud	it's hard for homeowners, but with us we have so many properties the insurance company insures all ours as tenant occupeid, whether they're vacant or not	[06:58]
The20YearIRCloud	Nope	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud but my point isn't to any one specific thing. my point is, there's so much nuttery, and so much complexity involved, that in general you're better off letting someone else eat it.	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	to this point there may be exceptions, but i'm not discussiong 1988 elm street, akron, ohio.	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	cuz you know, i can't be bothered to know in that level of detail, cuz my head is otherwise full.	[06:59]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud is trying to be that 'someone else', not harry homeowner specifically	[06:59]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: do you think owning your own home is an awesome deal for the median guy?	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	well he keeps bringing the "we don't have X here". something he's gotta have, what is this, ohiostan ?	[06:59]
The20YearIRCloud	if the average guy has a 15 or 20yr mortgage then yes	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	nah, for the first time buyer.	[07:00]
The20YearIRCloud	I know countless people who are now sitting on near a million dollars of real estate because they own their home and a few others	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	facing the usual 50% divorce rate, and all the jazz	[07:00]
ben_vulpes	'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' << fucking bril	[07:00]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: I heard you could enter the irish lottery too :)	[07:00]
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The20YearIRCloud	And the data says that home ownership is pretty beneficial to the holder as long as they can hold it for 10+ years	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	decimation quite my point. sure, it works for some.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud and the average marriage is ?	[07:01]
The20YearIRCloud	Even with depreciation, market swings, taxes, ect	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	7 years ?	[07:01]
The20YearIRCloud	And a majority of couples in the US no longer marry	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question.	[07:01]
decimation	The thing that the '10 year rule' fails to capture is the opportunity cost of leaving for better opportunities elsewhere, whatever that may be	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	seems a bad equity play.	[07:01]
The20YearIRCloud	And that varies by case decimation	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	decimation no because zek can't leave anyway!	[07:02]
The20YearIRCloud	then what assets do you suggest that you can live in?	[07:02]
decimation	There's no doubt a man needs shelter	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	the fact that i can live in it is about as much a consideration as the notion i could fuck my bonds.	[07:02]
decimation	THe question: does he want to live in his savings account/lotto ticket?	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	sure, i could. what diff does that make! i'll just buy the living separately from investment	[07:02]
The20YearIRCloud	If real estate wasn't profitable, few would be in it	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	few are.	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	and besides, bitcoin is profitable and few are in it	[07:03]
The20YearIRCloud	70% of americans?	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	the wisdom of the crowd doesn't go too far.	[07:03]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: many real estate agents don't make jack shit, only the good ones make $$$	[07:03]
The20YearIRCloud	That's the case with virtually any industry that's on comission	[07:03]
decimation	also the market is extremely distorted by USG, which is run by real estate agents and lawyers, who all want to get their piece of the pie	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	strippers make $$$ kinda ll the way to the middle.	[07:04]
The20YearIRCloud	The total spending of the us realestate sector for lobbyists vs the others is pretty slim	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	or at least made, da fuck knows what's it like there anymore.	[07:04]
The20YearIRCloud	and even then, real estate is local based on state law/local laws, the laws I encounter here in ohio are completely different than CA or NY	[07:04]
The20YearIRCloud	And, when you look back on real estate prices in the US from 1880-1920, it still was a pretty stable pricing trend	[07:05]
The20YearIRCloud	and back then the USG had very, very little involvement in the market	[07:05]
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decimation	that might be true, but it ain't 1900 anymore	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	not sure how far i'd trust that trend, but anyway.	[07:06]
The20YearIRCloud	Well, since data was collected, it shows itself to be a relatively good investment (not the best mind you) but one that's pretty decenty	[07:06]
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The20YearIRCloud	But , if you're in the mindset that everything is going to collapse imminently, then there's few good investments outside of raw land, weapons and food	[07:09]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: how would you plan to keep the 'raw land' if you don't have an army to help you?	[07:11]
The20YearIRCloud	Why do you assume I don't have one, nor one could be easily armed/developed?	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud that's not the mindset. merely that owning one house is more hassle than its worth	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	if you're going to be into real estate, own multiple.	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	if you can't be bothered to own multiple, rent.	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	the magical "just one house" position is fiction, nonsensical etc.	[07:12]
The20YearIRCloud	And from what i've personally seen, working with people who buy, own ,maintain , manage, get divorced, declare bankrupcy, have their house burnt down, find radon/asbestos/lead paint, that overall real estate isn't a bad investment for your common guy	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	a case of "zero, infinity. no one."	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	well, maybe. i dun see it, but then again, each his own castl.e	[07:13]
The20YearIRCloud	granted my data is from a few hundred homeowners in central Ohio, with a few out of state people as well	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	let's work this another angle.	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	suppose you were a billionaire, and owned a real estate company that owned about ten thousand units on average in each state.	[07:14]
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mircea_popescu	now, would you buy your own house or just use one your company already owns ?	[07:14]
The20YearIRCloud	prolly buy my own	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	well that's that, you've got an aesthetic preference :)	[07:15]
The20YearIRCloud	The guys i know who are in similar positions have done the same	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	so suppose you had that army from ten lines back.	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	would you use it to defend your house or get a different guard for it ?	[07:16]
decimation	The20YearIRCloud: it seems that this could be a 'marketing opportunity' for a real estate baron	[07:16]
The20YearIRCloud	depends on the value of the resources I have ,defendability, ect	[07:16]
The20YearIRCloud	Which specific thing decimation ?	[07:17]
The20YearIRCloud	-	[07:17]
decimation	'invest in my company, look at my own personal success story, etc'	[07:17]
The20YearIRCloud	Some do that	[07:17]
The20YearIRCloud	kind of what i'm doing	[07:17]
decimation	ownership would assist in the embellishment	[07:17]
decimation	but not required	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	all it needs is some neoprotestant varnish and it could start its own gulch.	[07:18]
The20YearIRCloud	like galts?	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	well like whatever chile dudes.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	or w/e that was	[07:18]
decimation	yeah the one that was a total scam	[07:18]
The20YearIRCloud	i've got many that want to do it	[07:18]
The20YearIRCloud	but it isn't in the cards for 5 years ors o	[07:18]
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mircea_popescu	it just occured to me : the berkshire bets happen just as it crossed the 6 months threshold.	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	maybe that's th estory here : bets more than 6 mo out are too far out.	[07:20]
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mircea_popescu	http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/8/27/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-on-galts-gulch-chile.html if anyone cares	[07:23]
assbot	The Good, The Bad and The Ugly on Galt's Gulch Chile	[07:23]
The20YearIRCloud	1st rat to jump ship	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea they had good drama.	[07:24]
The20YearIRCloud	recently they have	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	goes with the argentina bashing some other guy was doing linked earlier.	[07:25]
The20YearIRCloud	Yeah	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	for the record, i agree with both negative estimates. it is incredibly stupid to go out in the fucking sticks, if you're on a budget.	[07:25]
decimation	my spindy-sense was tingling when I went to their website a few months ago and they had no details whatever	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	hardy pioneers mosty died there.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	decimation i was just wtf'ing now, looking at it. really, pictures of one jar of honey, a bunch of SIGNS and a bunch of mountain range ? THAT ?	[07:26]
The20YearIRCloud	in the sticks in a somewhat economically hostile country without quality advisers/professionals to help guide decisions	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	im not paying someone to move ~there~	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud and without an army.	[07:26]
The20YearIRCloud	it'd be like me throwing a dart at a map of Ohio and saying "I'm gonna build an acid plant here, it's sure to make money!"	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	settlement is dubious even when you're settling VETERANS.	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	but these are all practical considerations. i wouldn't do this even as a banal every day person.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	but for people to try and create a "bitcoin" or "ayn rnd" or w/e community.... this is so idiotic it defies description.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck do you think feminists don't go to hide in utah on a farm ? perhaps because they don't want to end up on the receiving end of the stick, like the mormons ?	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	why do they hide in well populated urban areas ?	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there.	[07:29]
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The20YearIRCloud	There are still quite a few hippie communes in the US	[07:32]
The20YearIRCloud	Not huge mind you, but 100-500	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	"Dear Hearts and Gentle People" is a thing for a fucking reason.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	if you're annoying in a rural setting you get killed.	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud yeah, but not on indian land.	[07:33]
The20YearIRCloud	Yeah, not on the rez	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Small-Town-Simple-Minded-People/984101	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Hate-Small-Town-Simple-Minded-People/61728	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	sort of thing.	[07:34]
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mircea_popescu	"I first wrote about La Estancia as being "Galt's Gulch" in 2011. I went on to talk throughout much of early 2012 about how exciting I found the concept and how I would like to do one myself." fucking preachers without a church, teenaged boys trapped in sagging old bodies trying to get patrons to carve them a parish.	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	except instead of addressing the lordship, they swindle innocent old people, the traditional victims of psychopathic piano salesmen.	[07:40]
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mircea_popescu	We sat down for dinner in Santiago with John Cobin and his partner who had brought us the property and that's when things started to get strange. Cobin and his partner had some bizarre plan to zone a few thousand acres with 3,000 lots including golf courses, hotels and all manner of grandiose things. They actually had a business plan that went into the billions of dollars in revenue.	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	My first thought was that it would be terrible to turn this serene, perfect mountain valley into a complete suburban-like area. And my second thought was, "3,000 lots? Doug Casey has been operating La Estancia de Cafayate for more than five years and hasn't even sold 200 lots!"	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	Everyone at the table told me that it was a "sure thing" which I found preposterous. But then, Cobin, his partner and Ken started talking about putting a down payment on the property with a "rubber cheque". They were essentially saying that we would give the owner a cheque that had no real money backing it and then raise the funds to buy the property.	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	By that point I had had enough. "I don't do business that way," I said, and nearly got into a fist fight with Ken Johnson over it. However he and the others all assured me that this was "totally normal" in the real estate business to do... and over time they, and especially Ken, talked me into doing it. Ken told me, "this is how the real estate business works."	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	Excited by the property and the potential I decided to trust Ken on his knowledge of how to do real estate deals and we then raised the money with four key investors who we still to this day call "the founders". All were TDV readers and they were excited about the potential.	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	fucktards.	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	listen kids. a) this isn't how any business works ; b) "totally normal" is no argument ; c) don't be this loser. don't be the 9 yo kid telling the tall tale about how you "nearly" got into a fist fight with the bad boys that ruined your sunday clothes.	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	"I was assured that the property could be rezoned (at least somewhat) and that it had water rights and I returned to North America and Ken and I agreed we would be 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for Cobin and his partner and for the founding investors) and I told Ken that I had no time nor qualification to operate or manage a real estate development so he would be the Managing Partner and that th	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	e plan was for us to bring in qualified people to help us develop the property as I brought in the marketing interest for lot purchasers. "	[07:48]
mircea_popescu	50-50s ar for the qualified people in question. there is NOTHING, nothing at all, no benefit, zero, zilch, gulch for the guys with the "idea" or the "vision". fuck your vision and get lost, it's not worth a cupful of piss.	[07:49]
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Duffer1	50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for.. the investors..	[07:51]
Duffer1	i'm sure this all ended well	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	Very quickly after the purchase of the property I received an email from Ken that there was a lot of errors and the property not only can't be rezoned for 3,000 lots but only for 12! And, it had no water rights for much more than 12 livable units!	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	Ken told me it wouldn't be a problem and he'd get it fixed. And, while I had already begun to market the property I was generally okay in knowing that the four founders had bought a large piece of property that, at worst, they could live on and/or resell and no one would get very hurt from this mistake.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 ^ like that.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	and the bonus being that for all this time HE LIED ABOUT IT	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	now he's spilling the beans. he couldn't do this post that same day.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	it'd have been "unbusinesslike", because that's "totally normal" in "business".	[07:52]
Duffer1	ha so it was scam from start to finish, but now this dingleberry is blaming "ken"	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	fucking children. where are ye buffett with your "the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America". show them to me baby. what productive ?	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	ingenuity, yes. they're about as ingenue as a 9 year old girl.	[07:53]
Duffer1	we flip burgers good	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	"A few months passed and there wasn't too much developing when I got an email from someone (not even Ken) in June of 2013 that he had just committed to purchase a property with secure water rights near the initial property for over $6 million... and it had to be paid in full within three months!	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	Also, he had hired some sales staff (all TDV readers) and all of them were emailing me telling me that what Ken had just done was crazy and he was trying to get them to sell a property that wasn't owned by GGC without any real details even about the property, how much water or water rights it had and whether it could be rezoned! They all said they were going to quit but Ken had begun to move forward and market it."	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	basically the dollar vigilante thing is going to be prosecuted for fraud next year.	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	the dollar vigilante scam ring *	[07:55]
Duffer1	http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/01/glenn_beck_is_planning_a_2_bil.php?page=all	[07:56]
Duffer1	sure to follow	[07:56]
assbot	Glenn Beck is Planning a $2 Billion Libertarian Commune in Texas \| Dallas Observer	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	sigh	[07:56]
dub	hey, smaller target to nuke	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	"Since I had already brought in thousands of leads to GGC throughout 2012 and the start of 2013 and Ken had begun to market this new property that GGC didn't even own I was very distressed. However, at the same time, the amount of interest was staggering. I knew there would be demand for a project like this but I was amazed how much interest there was. Ken again told me that this is just how these type of deals are	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	done and that GGC would have no problem pre-selling the lots to pay for the land. He also told me that he had negotiated a deal in such a way that even if the full payment can't be made in time that we could extend it.	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	And so I decided that since I was already roped into this by association I had two choices. To stop promoting GGC and go public with the reasons why I was uncomfortable or to continue to promote it and hope it works. I chose the latter and very quickly money began flooding into the project and I began to think that maybe this would all work out and maybe Ken really knew what he was doing."	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	by the book bitcoin "unintentional" scam this thing.	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	it's incredible just how homologously stupid these derps are.	[07:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40417 @ 0.00075104 = 30.3548 BTC [+]	[07:58]
asciilifeform	beck gulch << what an old chumpatron, snore	[07:59]
asciilifeform	!s citadel	[07:59]
assbot	9 results for 'citadel' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=citadel	[07:59]
asciilifeform	a 'gulch' or 'compound' or whateverthefuck the turdmeister of the day calls it - doubly so if pitched with fanfare to the drooling hordes - is an elementary honeypot, whether deliberately built as such or not.	[08:07]
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asciilifeform	anyone who is bedevilled by the question of where amerikanische dept of vaterlandische seekoority is gonna get ten thousand 'terroristes' to hang - that's where.	[08:09]
ben_vulpes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vod9DL4IhBM << relevant	[08:10]
assbot	Disney & Pixar's A Bug's Life - 2 mosquitos - YouTube	[08:10]
ben_vulpes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY << irrelevant	[08:10]
assbot	Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube	[08:10]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes again ?!	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	just curios, anyone remember the scottish attempt to colonise the new world ?	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	was a very similar affair, led by similarly inept cvasi-religious figures without an actual religion. ended up hanging an innocent young english sailor for no particular reason.	[08:39]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	that was fucking trippy. so i start irc client, it goes to login,	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	* mircea_popescu already in use. Retrying with ...	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	;;seen mircea_popescu	[16:09]
gribble	mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 seconds ago: * mircea_popescu already in use. Retrying with ...	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	meh.	[16:09]
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ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	turns out this is what happens when someone tries to squat on your name just before you show up	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	dude these scammorz...	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	the other day i was imagining that the freenode password reset recommendation they gave was actually nickserv being honeypotted and needing to slurp up passwords	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	me too.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	(no, i didn't change it. i don't change passwords when a third party says so. i change them when i change them.)	[16:12]
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mircea_popescu	!up Anon29486307	[16:13]
-assbot-	You voiced Anon29486307 for 30 minutes.	[16:13]
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ThickAsThieves	i didnt either, not like they can !up anyway	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	the advantage of multi layered security : you get to know what the would-be attacker knows and what he doesn't.	[16:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8636 @ 0.00074894 = 6.4678 BTC [-] {2}	[16:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15464 @ 0.00074878 = 11.5791 BTC [-]	[16:27]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 52,350.	[16:27]
kakobrekla	o look below 400	[16:30]
kakobrekla	only 400 to go!	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[16:38]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 395.08, Best ask: 395.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 395.87, 24 hour volume: 34402.70319991, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 412.849427944	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[16:38]
assbot	only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	!up only	[16:42]
-assbot-	You voiced only for 30 minutes.	[16:42]
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only	thank you. so who's dumping and where do they have their coins from? :)	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	good q.	[16:42]
only	**I wonder	[16:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.15145788 = 0.7573 BTC [+] {3}	[16:53]
ThickAsThieves	no one is dumping, china is scamming	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	i think this is at least partly people subscribing to the whole China does mega% of btc volume lie	[17:01]
ThickAsThieves	so shady exchanges can just manipulate and the rest follow	[17:01]
ThickAsThieves	this probably means well have another gox in the winter/spring	[17:02]
ThickAsThieves	goxing*	[17:02]
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ThickAsThieves	to be fair though, i think the same shenanigans are what got us all the major bubbles too	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	won't last that long.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	well, winter, yea, technically it starts next month	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	so Scotland missed independence by 6%	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	they should just split of a country for the guys	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	off*	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	the news photos show a bunch of people either very happy or very sad about the vote	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	but i dont get what would be so exciting about staying	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	Yes, we dodged independence, I am SO stoked!	[17:17]
chetty	well even staying there are getting more autonomy, no?	[17:17]
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ThickAsThieves	dunno	[17:17]
los_pantalones	age distribution is pretty telling,	[17:18]
los_pantalones	65+ voted heavily to stay	[17:18]
los_pantalones	didn't want to lose their health benefits	[17:18]
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los_pantalones	dude tried to bring in 16-18 demographic to fight that	[17:18]
los_pantalones	almost worked	[17:18]
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mircea_popescu	quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones normally society has these natural mechanisms to let pressure get out, all involving violence. the english speaking world has been uncannily successful at pluging all of them.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	i fully expect to see old people hanged for the fault of being old in my lifetime.	[17:22]
los_pantalones	you've seen too much mircea_popescu	[17:22]
los_pantalones	how much more can you see?	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	well that's the problem with the antichrist, not only has it seen it all	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	but is condemned to forever keep on seeing it all again	[17:23]
los_pantalones	http://leaprate.com/2014/09/19/trenton-shavers-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-lands-him-with-40-million-fine-from-federal-judge-in-texas/	[17:23]
assbot	Trenton Shavers’ Bitcoin Ponzi scheme lands him with $40 million fine from federal judge in Texas \| LeapRate	[17:23]
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diana_coman	ThickAsThieves it was pretty much like a competition (football match) so they are excited their "team" won	[17:24]
diana_coman	(I'm in the UK, so I saw some of the excitement first-hand)	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	weird,	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	i see it as YES voters were trying to hit a target, NO voters trying to dodge a bullet	[17:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00074884 = 37.8913 BTC [+] {2}	[17:26]
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chetty	old folks generally have more to lose in any change in status quo	[17:29]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:29]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 403.97, Best ask: 404.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 403.97, 24 hour volume: 35222.97132326, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 410.504446309	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	chetty moreover, old folks are in a better position to understand the futility of change anyway.	[17:33]
chetty	mircea_popescu, that is a whole nother issue, especially since old folks are useless and irrelevant	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	that's okay, everyone is.	[17:34]
kakobrekla	bitbet.su updated their page	[17:38]
kakobrekla	after liek 17 days	[17:38]
kakobrekla	(injection still works ok)	[17:39]
thestringpuller	i still can't reach that page	[17:39]
thestringpuller	now I can	[17:40]
thestringpuller	lol	[17:40]
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jurov	kakobrekla: shoulda make the alert in russian, too. and last i checked it did not work	[17:44]
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jurov	best to use mat	[17:46]
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kakobrekla	dunno, works here	[17:51]
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kakobrekla	anyway it wont spit out an address any more, so thats that.	[17:51]
jurov	no popup in firefox not chromium	[17:52]
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jurov	*nor	[17:52]
The20YearIRCloud	I'm curious if BTC is gonna stay sub 400 for a while. If it does, our dividends are gonna be stellar	[17:52]
kakobrekla	jurov did you request a deposit address on .su?	[17:52]
kakobrekla	here it works in all ze browsers.	[17:52]
jurov	ah i see. i was thinking the popup was on fromtpage	[17:53]
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kakobrekla	that is cached locally with them	[17:53]
kakobrekla	and was 17 days old yest.	[17:53]
kakobrekla	brb	[17:54]
jurov	put there something like "тенто сайт на хуй, исполизоват bitbet.US"	[17:55]
jurov	(hope my broken russian provokes someone to make it better)	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	nahuy part i good.	[17:56]
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chetty	!up only	[18:00]
[]bot	Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 65(Y):35(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 79,149.	[18:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.15083333 = 0.905 BTC [+] {3}	[18:01]
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chetty	haha assbot doesnt love me anymore	[18:01]
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bounce	!up only	[18:02]
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bounce	!up only	[18:07]
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bounce	assbot is short on memory	[18:07]
bounce	anyway. ``Netropolitan Is Facebook For The Rich, Only A $9000 Fee To Join'' -- gotta be reeech to fall for that	[18:07]
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los_pantalones	rombone sound	[20:10]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[20:12]
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mircea_popescu	jesus gribble's slow.	[20:12]
fluffypony	ikr	[20:13]
mike_c	man, if i ran a site called bitcoin news i would be knocking down bitbet's door to get an interview about this huge bet going on.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	mike_c what if you ran the bitcoin chamber of commerce ?	[20:13]
mats_cd03	that sounds like an interesting enterprise i'd like to be a part of.	[20:14]
mike_c	if i ran the chamber of commerce i likely have already written a dozen articles about bitbet :)	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 she's reasonably hot twist, for as long as that lasts.	[20:15]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	the beauty of liquidity : bitbet can actually cover any bet at the stated odds well up to 100 BTC.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	where else can you drop 50k on a side and not appreciably swing the odds.	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	(i don't mean where else in bitcoin. i mean, where else in vegas)	[20:19]
los_pantalones	larger bets in vegas they make you walk up to the window to get a special quote	[20:19]
los_pantalones	and they try to profile you and fade your ass	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	this is well revolutionary, im noteven sure the chinese have access to such performance.	[20:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the adonis-number needs a footnote probably	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it does, but im not giving it. let the wise have an easter egg.	[20:23]
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jborkl	point taken mike_c, the bet resolves so far out I have just been waiting	[20:23]
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mike_c	but the story is hot now. 1500 BTC bet short on bitcoin sounds like a juicy headline.	[20:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]	[20:25]
jborkl	yes it is , the amount has become very large. Let me get the basis of the article together and I will come back for more details and opinions	[20:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: adonis << gonna be me, you, and that one other russian fellow who gets it..	[20:26]
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mike_c	jborkl: totally unsolicited advice: interview format might be good for this one.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	mike_c im not even sure what it's short on. but prolly bitcoin more than berkshire atm.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	than long berkshire*	[20:28]
mike_c	certainly	[20:28]
mike_c	berkshire is a constant	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	in finance there's no constants. just vairables with the appearance of constance in context.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform perfect.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	(also anyone who reads the logs, which by now is tens of thousands of people)	[20:30]
los_pantalones	the trade pays in bitcoin	[20:30]
los_pantalones	not sure either side is short bitcoin	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	yeah he can be somewhat short bitcoin but not THAT short	[20:30]
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mircea_popescu	i suppose the statement would be "someone who's short the "up up up!" "	[20:31]
los_pantalones	or lookin for cheap brk-a exposure	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	actually, maybe he's shorting brk-a and looking for cheap insurance.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	this could be a structured deal	[20:33]
los_pantalones	lots of uses when there is good liquidity	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	if he wrote brk-a puts and he somehoiw has a default bitcoin put by some reason (say, the reason being large holdings) then this is a +ev move	[20:34]
mike_c	this is nuts: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/786/ you could drop 5,000 btc on either side and get decent returns.	[20:35]
assbot	Bet 786 Analysis - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment - Btc Alpha	[20:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 77 @ 0.0104245 = 0.8027 BTC [-] {3}	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	except the problem is i don't see any large march brk puts hgaving happened this week	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	course it could be otc.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	mike_c that's not even half of it. even 1k on either side wil probably draw reaction. i'd guess if you drop 5k on a side you'll get more volume on the other just on general principle.	[20:36]
mike_c	definitely.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	it is after all 6 month out	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	that 50 btc diff bet ended up 800 btc on the winning side two weeks out.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	buterin's waterfall - going strong.	[20:38]
mike_c	;;calc 2816 * [ticker --last]	[20:39]
gribble	1128821.76	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	teh million dollar bet ?	[20:39]
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mike_c	for now	[20:44]
ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[20:45]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 401.77, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 402.92, 24 hour volume: 34354.57634559, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.704816241	[20:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up Nick___	[20:45]
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Nick___	Hello	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	mike_c BITCOIN CAN ONLY GO UP NOOB	[20:45]
mike_c	heh, yeah. i meant it will be millions plural once btc goes up and people flood into yes.	[20:46]
Nick___	I am looking for some help. One of the winning bets that closed on bitbet did not pay out to my addresses, looking for someone to look into it. Can anyone help?	[20:46]
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Nick___	mircea_popescu?	[20:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00075104 = 15.922 BTC [-] {2}	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	Nick___ specifically ?	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	(you can link to individual bets directly, do that)	[20:49]
Nick___	http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/	[20:49]
assbot	BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No \| closed 6 days 17 hours ago	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	yes, but which one ?	[20:49]
Nick___	hold on one sec	[20:49]
Nick___	do you want the addresses i paid into or the ones i'm supposed to be paid out of?	[20:50]
mike_c	Nick___: which bet was yours? hover over the 'time' column to get a link to the bet.	[20:51]
Nick___	http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/#b5	[20:52]
assbot	BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No \| closed 6 days 17 hours ago	[20:52]
Nick___	and http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/#b6	[20:52]
assbot	BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No \| closed 6 days 17 hours ago	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	Nick___ i see. looking into it.	[20:53]
Nick___	thanks mate	[20:53]
n6	Namworld nanotube napedia Naphex Nick___ non2 NormDePloome	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	Nick___ seems a tx failed to propagate properly. sorry for the inconvenience. will be rebroadcast presently. thanks for reporting.	[20:55]
Nick___	thanks mate, no problems	[20:56]
Nick___	just glad you run a stand up site	[20:56]
ben_vulpes	!b 5	[20:56]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3QCXTRX.txt )	[20:56]
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mircea_popescu	i don't run it, kako does. i just get the cookies :D	[20:57]
Nick___	all the same, my compliments	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	see kakobrekla, this is how cumstomer support is done, not the stuff you do!	[20:57]
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kakobrekla	it gets worse.	[20:58]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/09/cia-treason-psychology.pdf << mega-lol	[20:59]
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mircea_popescu	!up BlueMeanie4	[21:07]
-assbot-	You voiced BlueMeanie4 for 30 minutes.	[21:07]
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BlueMeanie4	heya MP	[21:07]
BlueMeanie4	hows things in bitcoin-assets land?	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	not so bad. berkshire making waves today.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	did you forgot how to selfvoice meanwhile btw ?	[21:08]
BlueMeanie4	the real berkshire?	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	well the bet.	[21:09]
BlueMeanie4	hmm im a bit confused	[21:09]
Duffer1	has anyone stepped up to claim the massive no bets?	[21:09]
jurov	%tslb	[21:10]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block: 1 hour(s), 22 minutes	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 not so far.,	[21:10]
jurov	that's cuz i made a testing tx	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/	[21:10]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (40%) on Yes, 1695.6 B (60%) on No \| closing in 4 months 4 weeks \| weight: 44`196 (100`000 to 1)	[21:10]
BlueMeanie4	you were placing bets on Berkshire?	[21:10]
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mircea_popescu	!up Masterbill	[21:10]
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BlueMeanie4	ah	[21:10]
BlueMeanie4	were at an interesting impasse with BTC	[21:10]
BlueMeanie4	basically all the altcoins are pathetic jokes	[21:11]
Masterbill	Haha Hey guys!	[21:11]
BlueMeanie4	btc has its warts for sure	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	;;calc sqrt(2262 + 2032)	[21:11]
gribble	303.784463066	[21:11]
BlueMeanie4	whats that the fibonacci pattern for btc?	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	nah some eulora mining math	[21:12]
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mircea_popescu	chetty is valliantly fighting the engines	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones omg no rate ? what is this!	[21:13]
los_pantalones	on you? no reciprocation ?	[21:14]
los_pantalones	i'll do now, i'm a selfish person	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	::rate los_pantalones 0 selfish person!1	[21:15]
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bounce	.oO( pot & kettle sitting in a tree... )	[21:15]
los_pantalones	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognasticator and champion whack-a-mole'r	[21:17]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[21:17]
los_pantalones	qua?	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	you can't have misspellings.	[21:17]
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los_pantalones	makese sense	[21:18]
los_pantalones	mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r	[21:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00075031 = 10.6169 BTC [-]	[21:18]
los_pantalones	;;rate 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r	[21:18]
gribble	Error: 'fearless' is not a valid integer.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	:D	[21:18]
los_pantalones	christ almighty	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	ahh this was worth it.	[21:18]
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los_pantalones	haha, firshir	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	::rate los_pantalones 3 public accidents in tight pants	[21:19]
los_pantalones	there he is	[21:19]
los_pantalones	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r	[21:20]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	aww so soon	[21:21]
los_pantalones	sigh	[21:21]
artifexd	lol	[21:25]
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los_pantalones	https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/489426693044436992	[21:27]
assbot	Edward Snowden should not face trial, says UN human rights commissioner http://t.co/CUuhDLnWVu	[21:27]
los_pantalones	just trollin for info on bluemeanie and came across that	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	!s from:BlueMeanie4	[21:28]
assbot	541 results for 'from:BlueMeanie4' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3ABlueMeanie4	[21:28]
BlueMeanie4	something you want to know?	[21:29]
BlueMeanie4	its someone frightening that we form our entire opinion of someone these days by what shows up on google	[21:29]
asciilifeform	'This content has been removed as our copyright has expired.' << lol! wtf	[21:29]
BlueMeanie4	wasnt the internet supposed to relieve us of this sort of thing?	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 well i wouldn't imagine it'd be the entire opinions	[21:30]
Duffer1	there's always usenet <3	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	!up Nick___	[21:30]
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BlueMeanie4	Google has become WAY too powerful	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	you need a wot account and then a rating from someone in assbot's trust list to be able to self voice.	[21:31]
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mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 word.	[21:31]
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BlueMeanie4	ppl think they are the last word on anything	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	either that or wikipedia	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	which is actually worse.	[21:31]
BlueMeanie4	meanwhile it's got NSA and friends written all over it from day one.	[21:31]
BlueMeanie4	for sure	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	Nick___ see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[21:32]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]	[21:32]
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BlueMeanie4	i noticed wikipedia's slow demise at least 5 years ago	[21:32]
BlueMeanie4	its hard to see, but it's very biased	[21:32]
BlueMeanie4	the truth has been written down many times, the technology we used to write it wasn't the problem :)	[21:33]
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asciilifeform	http://www.jackpair.com << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness...	[21:36]
assbot	JackPair	[21:36]
punkman	http://www.soldatiki.su/data/b111_10_05.jpg	[21:36]
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mircea_popescu	!up BlueMeanie4	[21:38]
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mircea_popescu	punkman not bad.	[21:38]
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BlueMeanie4	re. that Berkshire bet	[21:42]
BlueMeanie4	it should be calculated according to total market cap , no?	[21:42]
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mircea_popescu	hm ?	[21:43]
BlueMeanie4	per share? what if theres a split?	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	it says it will see through splits and distributions	[21:46]
asciilifeform	aaaand now we can add Salsa20 to the list of 'unsavoury' algos...	[21:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28977 @ 0.00075048 = 21.7467 BTC [+] {2}	[21:53]
los_pantalones	mircea_popescu brk-a splits and you win ?	[21:55]
los_pantalones	want buffet's number ?	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones sees through.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	you're familiar with the legal concept right ? "court will see through the veil" device in bankruptcy, probate and so forth.	[21:56]
kakobrekla	;;tslb	[21:57]
gribble	Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds	[21:57]
jurov	not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc. <<< lol bitbet became assassination market >:D	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	jurov oh for crying out loud.	[21:57]
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BlueMeanie4	there are some real dangers were facing with these things	[21:59]
BlueMeanie4	seems these perpetual adolescents who browse 4chan think an anonymous assassination market would be real swell	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	not so sure about that.	[22:00]
los_pantalones	why is that a real danger ?	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones well cause it's still cheaper to kill a guy than to annimate a corpse.	[22:00]
BlueMeanie4	if you cant see the obvious problem with that im not going to run down that road with you	[22:00]
mod6	<+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	mod6 blockchain is dead for ~6 hours too.	[22:01]
kakobrekla	nope, its actually 12 hrs	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:01]
BlueMeanie4	or maybe we can pool our money and have your unpopular opinion elimated for good if you catch my meaning?	[22:01]
kakobrekla	aww	[22:01]
rithm	blockchain.info #1 super trust	[22:01]
chetty	<+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!/7 miners on strike?	[22:01]
mod6	wtf	[22:01]
rithm	gribble needs to use chain API and join the VC shill rtevolution amirite	[22:01]
kakobrekla	terrible lag inhere or is it just me	[22:02]
los_pantalones	BlueMeanie4 the probability of you being successful in this endeavor is not 'real danger'	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	mod6 i dunno, they failed. the blockchain seems just fine of itself.	[22:02]
mod6	i had some bad before, its ok for me now. we need irc.bitcoin-assets.com	[22:02]
rithm	mod6 accidentally a word	[22:02]
BlueMeanie4	hold on so its not dangerous because 'the market' will weed out any undesirable assassinations?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones how do you quantify that ?	[22:02]
mod6	rithm: huh?	[22:03]
BlueMeanie4	every person can have an entry on the block chain that indicates the current value of their life	[22:03]
los_pantalones	yes, perceived and real are different	[22:03]
los_pantalones	quantifying stuff like that usually tends towards looking at willingness to pay for insurance and other similar protections	[22:03]
BlueMeanie4	therefore if you dont have a high life-value rating, you shouldnt express your opinions	[22:03]
BlueMeanie4	otherwise its cement shoes for you! yay lolbertarianism	[22:03]
rithm	i had some bad before, its ok for me now. we need irc.bitcoin-assets.com	[22:03]
mod6	oh ya, thx.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 it would put a lot of pressure on coallescing lordships	[22:04]
BlueMeanie4	it would? the lords are the ones with the money remember?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	"you can speak whatever you wish as long as the duke of parma protects you"	[22:04]
rithm	so BlueMeanie4 is cool	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	sorta like 1400 all over again.	[22:04]
BlueMeanie4	i cant wait	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	well it was a time of great art.	[22:04]
BlueMeanie4	that was my favorite medieval century	[22:05]
chetty	haha I can see it now, those who want one alive bidding against those who want one dead, what fun	[22:05]
BlueMeanie4	especially the part about burning heretics at the stake	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 well, only the annoying ones :D	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	or i guess the poor ones	[22:05]
BlueMeanie4	like Galileo	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	or the women that didn't suck cock well enough.	[22:05]
BlueMeanie4	he was so annoying	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 he died in his bed you know.	[22:06]
BlueMeanie4	everyone knows that if you keep sailing west you will fall off the edge of the world and dragons will eat you	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	how did you get the idea galileo burned ?	[22:06]
BlueMeanie4	no excommunicated	[22:06]
BlueMeanie4	youre correct on that	[22:06]
rithm	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCKKHcpf0w	[22:06]
assbot	Bill Burr Explains Why Yoko Ono Sucks - YouTube	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	precisely because of the protection of the duke of toscana	[22:07]
BlueMeanie4	ok so we still think anonymous assassinations are great?	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	we never thought that.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	you just did a poor job of arguing against them :)	[22:08]
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los_pantalones	i took umbrage with your use of the word 'real'	[22:08]
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mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 this is basically like smbc's technicality club. you can easily end up hammered into the dirt for having used the wrong adjective.	[22:09]
ben_vulpes	re working at derpy shartups: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u7tLFmD8	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	as correct as otherwise your position may be.	[22:09]
rithm	http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/tcv	[22:10]
assbot	Token Controlled Viewpoint (TCV) Genesis, Characteristics and Early Use Cases \| Lets Talk Bitcoin	[22:10]
rithm	channel needs token society	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was a crypto for black kids.	[22:11]
rithm	pre-sale of exclusivity tokens	[22:11]
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rithm	you have to admit it isn't as dumb as ethereum	[22:11]
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rithm	* > ethereum is the new litmus test	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	i have nfi how dumb it is, i didn't read.	[22:12]
rithm	create your own altcoin, just to be allowed access to the forum, secret societies forming and such	[22:13]
mod6	mircea_popescu: yeah, they're smoking crack over at blockchain.info, btc.blockr.io shows 321555: http://btc.blockr.io/api/v1/block/info/last	[22:13]
mod6	~4 minutes ago	[22:14]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/billion-dollar-bet/ << your dream came true ?	[22:14]
assbot	BitBet - Billion dollar bet? :: 1 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No \| closing in 5 months 1 week\| weight: 99`989 (100`000 to 1)	[22:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00075301 = 25.4517 BTC [+] {2}	[22:21]
rithm	wtf bet	[22:23]
los_pantalones	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg8891220#msg8891220	[22:25]
assbot	BFL fucks us over again	[22:25]
los_pantalones	raided	[22:25]
los_pantalones	supposedly	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	oh ?	[22:25]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/	[22:26]
assbot	Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	check me out, i'm so prepared :D	[22:26]
los_pantalones	fearless prognosticator	[22:26]
mod6	so in #altcoin, i added an undocumented command to query btc.blockr.io for the last block time + last block number, looks like this: Time Since Last BTC Block (321557): 0 hour(s), 7 minutes	[22:28]
mod6	let me know if you want me to add it to atcbot and I will.	[22:29]
ben_vulpes	rithm: steady state is an altcoin for everyone	[22:29]
rithm	mircea_popescu: href typo -> involuntary humor http://mpex.wsdtng/c/src/135778037437.png	[22:30]
rithm	not sure what's going on there	[22:30]
rithm	some sort of / root path implication	[22:31]
rithm	either way, i can't see the porn	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	there is no pron	[22:32]
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ben_vulpes	bwahahahat is going on there	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00075063 = 16.9267 BTC [-]	[22:39]
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[]bot	Bet created: "Gold above $1200 on November 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/	[22:44]
[]bot	Bet created: "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/	[22:44]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 1 BTC. Current weight: 99,977.	[22:44]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2.25 BTC for Yes on "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 72(Y):28(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.36874888 BTC. Current weight: 17,157.	[22:44]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 61(Y):39(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 51,711.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	lol watch out, the catchup begins	[22:45]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform> http://www.jackpair.com << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness... << Amazing Honeypot	[22:46]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:46]
assbot	JackPair	[22:46]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $600 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1025/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.86810627 BTC. Current weight: 3,359.	[22:48]
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devthedev	Good afternoon everyone	[22:48]
thestringpuller	GOOD NEWS EVERYONE	[22:49]
thestringpuller	free cookies for everyone	[22:49]
bounce	hungry now.	[22:50]
los_pantalones	http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/19/developing-story-usms-ftc-raid-butterfly-labs/	[22:50]
assbot	Developing Story: USMS and FTC Raid on Butterfly Labs - Coin Fire	[22:50]
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devthedev	Well it's about time	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[22:51]
gribble	Current Blocks: 321511 \| Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 \| Next Difficulty In: 1048 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 3 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35265697094.9 \| Estimated Percent Change: 18.22331	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	;;nethash	[22:52]
gribble	268454074.757	[22:52]
The20YearIRCloud	usms?	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	us marshals	[22:53]
BingoBoingo	Is this why they can't release auction results?	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	different ones.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	why are all the dudes in the (stock i presume ?) coinfire illustration fat	[22:56]
The20YearIRCloud	'Merica?	[22:57]
los_pantalones	'muricah	[22:57]
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ben_vulpes	thestringpuller: cookies?	[22:57]
los_pantalones	record corn crop this year, bitbet on 'muricah gaining avg 10lbs next year ?	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	too hard to measure.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	besides, don't they make ethanol ?	[22:58]
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los_pantalones	not really	[22:58]
los_pantalones	most corn -> HFCS	[22:58]
ben_vulpes	well, crappy ethanol	[22:58]
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ben_vulpes	that is then shipped to S.A. for their "high grade" ethanol	[22:58]
ben_vulpes	great big fuck off tankers carrying the same shit passing in the night...	[22:58]
The20YearIRCloud	Really has nothing to do with HFCS and the fact that americans consume tons of sugar/carbs with low-ish exircise	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	wait, wut ?	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	you can trivially distill ethanol, what's this grade busness ?	[22:59]
The20YearIRCloud	in my area virtually all corn from one county goes to ethanol, and they don't grade it	[22:59]
The20YearIRCloud	Allthe corn in the US produced this year will go to raise more beef for next year, as beef prices are astronomical	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	argentina plans to not export any this year	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	which seems crazy.	[23:00]
The20YearIRCloud	joy	[23:00]
The20YearIRCloud	Wonder how much that'll push inflation	[23:01]
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thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: yes i will be shipping cookies soon.	[23:10]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: some usians claim that some kinds of ethanol burn more "cleanly" than others.	[23:13]
mod6	%tslb	[23:13]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block (#45385): 0 hour(s), 17 minutes	[23:13]
mod6	%tslb_btc	[23:13]
atcbot	Right now!	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	%tslb_btc	[23:13]
atcbot	Right now!	[23:13]
kakobrekla	fast blocks	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	guessing it rounds to minutes?	[23:13]
mod6	the website says "right now" too, so it looks correct to me on that last one	[23:13]
kakobrekla	see, you dont need cannacoin	[23:13]
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jborkl	http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-betting-site-bitbet-us/	[23:21]
assbot	Bitcoin betting site Bitbet.us, over $1 million on one bet \|	[23:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00075045 = 10.5438 BTC [-] {2}	[23:21]
jborkl	if anyone has opinions on it please later tell me, I constatly fix things	[23:22]
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asciilifeform	bfl assets seized << so, ft meade semiconductor plant is behind schedule, gotta 'steal candy from baby' now ?	[23:23]
BingoBoingo	Looks that way	[23:23]
artifexd	;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping	[23:32]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[23:32]
artifexd	;;ident	[23:32]
gribble	Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfmpjndnxxclhbjm', is not identified.	[23:32]
artifexd	;;eauth artifexd	[23:32]
gribble	Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfmpjndnxxclhbjm. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A	[23:32]
artifexd	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a8e872c5fd617f835565a25b959766a3653ae4129b752735e66611b3	[23:32]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A	[23:32]
artifexd	;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping	[23:32]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nubbins` has changed from 1 to 2.	[23:32]
artifexd	;;later tell nubbins` The poster is beautiful. Thanks!	[23:33]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:33]
BingoBoingo	%t	[23:36]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 32k High: 266 Low: 198 VWAP: 216	[23:36]
BingoBoingo	%v	[23:36]
atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 173k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 188	[23:36]
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mod6	%tslb_btc	[23:40]
atcbot	Time Since Last BTC Block (#321570): 0 hour(s), 18 minutes	[23:40]
BingoBoingo	Nice	[23:42]
BingoBoingo	%p	[23:42]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 131.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	bfl assets seized << all pointers seem to indicate the forum post is a prank.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[23:43]
gribble	Time since last block: 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 49 seconds	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what's going on there, miner down ? or we on invisible pool ?	[23:43]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Our pools' still not on the bot	[23:43]
BingoBoingo	http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/	[23:44]
assbot	P2Pool	[23:44]
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asciilifeform	prank << ah well	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34837 @ 0.00075026 = 26.1368 BTC [-] {2}	[23:54]
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