Forum logs for 19 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla can multiple nicks be reg'd to same key ?	[00:01]
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WolfGoethe	welcome all	[00:31]
BingoBoingo	Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895	[00:31]
assbot	Linus Torvalds Does Not Give A Shit About You And Your Dumb Opinions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyYvIi )	[00:31]
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mircea_popescu	meh, gawker.	[00:32]
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BingoBoingo	It's the most unGawker thing I've ever seen on Gawker	[00:32]
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WolfGoethe	what is happening in Ukraine Donesk now holds the fate of the world in the balance....	[00:33]
BingoBoingo	Highligh:>> UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for di	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	versity then. I regret the error, and have updated the post to reflect that.	[00:35]
WolfGoethe	naturally...	[00:35]
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decimation	Eh, Ukraine is already Putin's	[00:37]
BingoBoingo	http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/17/i-taught-shanley-kane-how-to-troll-and-im-sincerely-sorry/	[00:39]
assbot	'I taught Shanley Kane how to troll, and I'm sincerely sorry' - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az0gFc )	[00:39]
asciilifeform	'grow a motherfucking spine linux. get this asshole out.' << mega-lol!	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	lmao wut.	[00:40]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo's link	[00:40]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#982791	[00:40]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2015 03:27:36; BingoBoingo: Can not improve on the drama here and in the comments http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Seriously, the dramas	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	is this like that one time when the idiot murican journos threw a fit that the french president didn't care about whatever stupid shit they had picked to make their world out of, and then were never heard from again ?	[00:41]
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mircea_popescu	what's linux going to do, name itself gavinus ?	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	"it's not new, it's the same thing!"	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	"we've just forked it because we're stupid. same thing!"	[00:42]
*	asciilifeform finds it somewhat odd that there is not yet an official 'rat king' (poettering?) to serve as an 'anti-linus'	[00:42]
BingoBoingo	Kinda, but with layers of stupid coming into conflict. A stupid schism.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, they don't need a king you see. they're sans coulottes, they talk a lot, and that's all that's needed.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	lol!	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	well, that and changing all the he's to theirs.	[00:44]
mats	http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/view/40638/MallocMaleficarum.txt >> a piece of history	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	the only pity here is that linus is about as political minded as your average frog, and so instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux, strangling poettering by his own guts and so on,	[00:45]
assbot	MallocMaleficarum.txt ≈ Packet Storm ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az1FMa )	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	he just sits there and ignores the matter.	[00:45]
*	asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	very important to promote a lot more people who are actually willing to kill these idiots, not just ignore them.	[00:45]
mats	http://www.dailycal.org/2014/09/28/gov-jerry-brown-signs-affirmative-consent-law-dream-loan-bill-sunday >> wau. "legislation states that consent in sexual activity is an “affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement” and that intoxicated agreement does not count as consent."	[00:46]
assbot	Brown signs affirmative consent, undocumented student loan bills Sunday \| Dailycal.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az1VLa )	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:46]
asciilifeform	malleus maleficarum << classic	[00:48]
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asciilifeform	linus is about as political minded as your average frog... sits there and ignores... instead of taking up arms, booting all us interest from linux << how's he to do that.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	without getting out of usa personally, rather.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	no such rider in my statement.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	but, simply refusing to merge anything in any way related to anyone who ever worked for red hat.	[00:50]
asciilifeform	ahaha.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	for instance.	[00:50]
asciilifeform	how much from rathead is even getting merged in kernel ?	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	not exactly the point. poltics is not about what you do.	[00:50]
decimation	redhat does quite a bit of backporting	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	there must attach penalties to belonging in the progressive camp.	[00:50]
decimation	they also have some kernel devs on the payroll	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	the simple knowledge that you will NEVER be a linux developer, ever, is a good start.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	i can then move to give linux more weight, and so on.	[00:51]
mats	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/us/supreme-court-to-decide-whether-gays-nationwide-can-marry.html	[00:51]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTrCZc )	[00:51]
asciilifeform	i suspect that linus does, in fact, understand that he 'can also have problems.'	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	not a criterion.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	stalin could also have problems.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	up until he couldn't anymore, at which point all sorts of other idiots had a whole troughful of problems.	[00:52]
decimation	http://www.cnet.com/news/paid-developers-power-the-linux-kernel/	[00:52]
assbot	Paid developers power the Linux kernel - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTrJDY )	[00:52]
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mircea_popescu	now that's politics.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	decimation: would be interesting to see who contributes something other than drivers for own hardware.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	red hat makes hardware ?!	[00:52]
decimation	good point, they don't break that out	[00:53]
asciilifeform	not redhat, but, say, renesas and analog devices	[00:53]
decimation	redhat does not make hardware, but they provide guarantees for certain baselines	[00:53]
asciilifeform	amd, freescale, fujitsu, etc.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	point remains : once there's a penalty to being a progressive, things can be turned into some sort of shape.	[00:53]
decimation	So you can be Redhat Certified (c)	[00:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this almost certainly requires a dead usg, or at the very least one which is in no condition to sinecure progressives.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	does not.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	sinecure does not work.	[00:54]
asciilifeform	as it stands, the progressives want for nothing.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	consider that the protestants choked the catholics, with a very lively french government that sinecured them to heaven.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	sinecure is counterproductive if anything.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	their opponents, if too vocal and not independently wealthy - face starvation.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	this is exactly their problem, that they want for nothing.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	nothing easier to rape.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	let the sinecure become a central point of the progressive - sane person debate.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	that's already defeat, for them.	[00:56]
asciilifeform	is it not already the case ?	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	not amply enough.	[00:56]
decimation	the trouble is that nearly everyone in the us is one some dole or another	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	there's dire need for more politically minded people to make it a point.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation for as long as that lasts.	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	stalin could also have problems. << Well Tito is a serious amount of problem to have.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo meant more in his odessa bank robbery days.	[00:57]
decimation	well, if 'making it not last' is the political strategy, then I suggest "stand back and watch them fail"	[00:57]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sure, but... never escaped his problem having potential	[00:58]
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mircea_popescu	preferably from a distance.	[00:59]
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decimation	after 1789, it was hoped that the new constitution would be well supported by 'moderates'	[01:00]
decimation	but it turned out that nobody who mattered was actually a moderate (in France)	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	no, it turned out the girondins were butchered first.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	but that they mattered is preserved at least in the fact that their woman killed the journo.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	had they had the sense to being moderate while out of france, and had they the internet & other means to do this... diff story.	[01:02]
decimation	it seems that some kind of similar thing is happening in us politics	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	if it is i dun see it	[01:05]
*	asciilifeform very much not seeing it	[01:05]
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mircea_popescu	all i see is progressing courtly fashions.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	now everyone's wearing bras and marring their cat.	[01:05]
decimation	that's because the right and left have politically stalemated	[01:06]
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decimation	there's no policy that can change because there's no moderate party to support it	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	well... no. it's because everyone lives off crown benefits, and so no substantial differences to be had.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	everyone agrees they need more money.	[01:07]
decimation	but that's usg policy since at least before wwii	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	country's not had a budget in what, like a decade ?	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	not a balanced budget mind you. just, you know, one at all.	[01:07]
decimation	since 2007 apparently	[01:09]
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decimation	although actually no, the last real budget in a bill was passed in 1997 http://prospect.org/article/does-congress-even-need-pass-budget	[01:11]
assbot	Does Congress Even Need to Pass a Budget? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az7BVx )	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	closer to two decades by now.	[01:11]
decimation	there's a complex dance between what congress 'authorizes' and 'appropriates'	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	it's gotten to the point where inflation's being dressed up as necessary. well... it is. should interest rates move to a very liberal 5% the us is unable to finance even its interest alone.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	not to mention the 7-8%	[01:12]
decimation	with the sudden oil price collapse, all Smart People are now seriously worried about deflation	[01:14]
decimation	here's an amusing takedown of 'what inflation is good': https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/why-dont-you-guys-love-inflation-you-guys/	[01:16]
assbot	Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? \| RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1Az8Kwf )	[01:16]
decimation	"Anyway let’s try to go back to first principles a little here. Read through the glowing, er, defense of inflation and it boils down to the same basic story: ‘oh noes wages are sticky’."	[01:17]
danielpbarron	http://lgbtweekly.com/2015/01/17/trans-student-allegedly-told-by-sdsu-staff-to-get-out-of-mens-locker-room/ Furuya used the men’s locker room shower, and allegedly was told by another gym patron to “Get your titties and go across to the other locker room. That’s where the women are. And, if you don’t go, I’ll remove you myself.”	[01:23]
assbot	Trans student allegedly told by SDSU staff to get out of men's locker room \| LGBT Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTzOsj )	[01:24]
decimation	"why don't you guys love trannys you guys?"	[01:24]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[01:25]
decimation	lol from article: "but really when it comes to actually creating resources that support and protect transgender and other marginalized students, they have really dragged their feet and have taken a really long time…and in the meantime students’ lives are at risk.”	[01:29]
decimation	so, some guy telling a confused chick to leave the locker room is the same as murdering?	[01:29]
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danielpbarron	someone pasted that link in an irc channel for "reddit christians" from which i was eventually kicked for disputing their claim that The Bible is pro-lgbt	[01:38]
decimation	what was the basis of their argument?	[01:39]
kakobrekla	that they are faggots?	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	lmao wait. bible pro-lgbt ?	[01:40]
danielpbarron	not breaking from reddit form, they didn't really have much of a basis	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	decimation anyway, as a male that usually uses the women's restroom, im pro tolerance.	[01:41]
danielpbarron	beyond, "stop being mean"	[01:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wai wat	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	" When inflation dips too low, it transfers wealth from those who owe money — companies and mortgage payers — to those who hold bonds."	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	so wait. the thing that steals sometimes a lot and sometimes a little is the nerw normal. and so when it only steals a little it... TRANSFERS money from the thief to the victim ?	[01:42]
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mircea_popescu	lovely metaworld.	[01:42]
asciilifeform	'chocolate rations have been increased from eighty grams to fifty.'	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i used the girl's locker room in highschool, and i hung out with the chicks in their yoga class too.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	why would i want to see a bunch of schlongs ?!	[01:43]
asciilifeform	lol!	[01:43]
decimation	there's a fine argument there	[01:43]
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mircea_popescu	besides, i don't like urinals and women's usually cleaner.	[01:44]
asciilifeform	^	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	plus, if you're going to fuck a girl, it's usually better to do her in women's.	[01:44]
decimation	most urinals are designed to maximize spashback	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	now, i wouldn't be in favour of this as a general thing,	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	but as a mark of privilege it works fine.	[01:44]
asciilifeform	as a general thing, as often is, the whole point would disappear.	[01:45]
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decimation	re: inflation < of course the thief is going explain the benefits of thieving	[01:46]
decimation	'makes for a easier wallet to carry'	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/why-dont-you-guys-love-inflation-you-guys/#comment-31595	[01:53]
assbot	Why don’t you guys love inflation you guys? \| RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1sTGEOB )	[01:53]
mats	an exercise in kekonomics	[01:55]
decimation	lol let the beatings commence	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the guy has a point , and that point is : the expectations of us citizens, and their self valuations, are wildly divergent from reality.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	they will have to be brought back on their knees somehow	[01:56]
asciilifeform	wait, they expect something ?	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	and no government yet has had the audacity to go to a group of self impressed idiots and tell them the sort of thing i say	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	"shut the fuck up, get on your knees and suck more cock"	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	consequently, inflation is necessary and unavoidable.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	it's roughly the "put pitbull in doorframe and slam door on him" educational tactic.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. for instance : they expect to not have to find someone to be the sex slave of.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	further : they expect to warm their abode artificially.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	further still : they expect to not have to do hard physical labour.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	and on it goes.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	none of these are warranted. not really.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	even expect not to ferment as biodiesel, if you believe.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	that one i can see.	[01:58]
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mircea_popescu	human biodiesel is actually uneconomical.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	do the math, of what's the cost per calorie to fatten a woman	[01:58]
asciilifeform	very economical in the broad sense (sealed mine)	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	then see what you could get, per calorie, as biodiesel.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	but you, the farmer, did not fatten her	[01:58]
asciilifeform	she fattened 'free range.'	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	so then i stole her ?	[01:58]
asciilifeform	hunted.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	mno. economics is a science of closed systems.	[01:59]
asciilifeform	what are mineral resources then.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	this is why i am not in principle opposed to ecology.	[01:59]
decimation	I thought the point of the biodiesiel was to encourage the others	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	just to the idiotic parts thereof.	[01:59]
asciilifeform	pretty much the whole shebang runs on exquisitely non-renewable stuff	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	decimation then it's necessarily fractionary.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is a good objection. which is why i'm not fixated on ecology.	[02:00]
asciilifeform	nobody but chromosomally damaged midwestern usians imagines that closed cycle biodiesel is +ev. but it remains that something will have to be done with the... biomass.	[02:01]
decimation	fractionary << yes, ferment one, educate 1000 (at the fuel pump!)	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	decimation but then you'ver just shown why they'd rightfully not expect to be biodisel'd. 1 in 1000 shot.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sure, as an one off thing.	[02:02]
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asciilifeform	although there are interesting 'demo' cases. i once saw a set of photographs of a 'work of art' - a small coffee table, with a bioreactor. a lure of some electronic kind (acoustic?) led mice up a hollow leg and into the reactor. there, they would ferment, and charge a battery that would run the next iteration of the mouse-lift-zap-ferment cycle.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	it was, in fact, a basic toy chumpatron. the inspiration for my article re: same.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	yes but simply making solar panels the same size or price would yield more.	[02:03]
asciilifeform	naturally	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	nature does these contortions, because nature's a whore.	[02:03]
asciilifeform	but does not beautify living room	[02:03]
asciilifeform	nor eliminate mice.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	human artfulness however...	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	human artfulness is all male, and has horror of cunt.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	because cunt fucking stains. especially corduroy.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	http://gizmodo.com/5146254/mousetrap-coffee-table-uses-its-victims-for-fuel	[02:04]
asciilifeform	^ it.	[02:04]
assbot	Mousetrap Coffee Table Uses Its Victims For Fuel ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkGU4k )	[02:04]
decimation	asciilifeform: http://www.withouthotair.com/cD/page_284.shtml "The power per unit area of bioethanol from corn is astonishingly low. Just for fun, let’s report the numbers first in archaic units. 1 acre produces 122 bushels of corn per year, which makes 122 × 2.6 US gallons of ethanol, which at 84 000 BTU per gallon means a power per unit area of just 0.02 W/m2E – and we haven’t taken into account any of the energy losses in	[02:04]
assbot	Ch D Page 284: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air \| David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkGV8j )	[02:04]
decimation	processing!"	[02:04]
mats	i bet the smell is awful	[02:04]
asciilifeform	decimation: see also mircea_popescu's article 'the corn thing'	[02:04]
decimation	the same guy who popularized ldpc codes wrote that book, which details the mathematical idiocy of 'renewables'	[02:07]
asciilifeform	it isn't much of a secret.	[02:07]
decimation	it accomplished nothing politically, but it's a good sourcebook for rough calculations of this sort	[02:08]
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kakobrekla	whoever was asking for wot db dumps http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/	[02:29]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla can include a 3rd file with signed sha hashes ?	[02:31]
kakobrekla	no.	[02:31]
kakobrekla	dumps are done nightly	[02:31]
kakobrekla	having key automatically sign the thing is meh	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	it guards at least against mitm and other issues.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	allows to verify it genuinely came from there.	[02:32]
kakobrekla	yeah so youll be able to point finger at innocent kako	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[02:34]
kakobrekla	but im innocent.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	signed sha hashes << unless the server lives under kakobrekla's pillow, next to his kalash, this is inviting trouble	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	but trouble of a particular sort	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to every kind and sort.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	it can be a special, delegated key for this purpose alone.	[02:34]
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mircea_popescu	re color revolutions : this bit of propaganda signed mark twain might be interesting https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/i2l/kls.html	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	They tell it all: how I am wiping a nation of friendless creatures out of existence by every form of murder, for my private pocket's sake. But they never say, although they know it, that I have labored in the cause of religion at the same time and all the time, and have sent missionaries there (of a "convenient stripe," as they phrase it), to teach them the error of their ways and bring them to Him who is all mercy and	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	love, and who is the sleepless guardian and friend of all who suffer. They tell only what is against me, they will not tell what is in my favor.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	They tell how England required of me a Commission of Inquiry into Congo atrocities, and how, to quiet that meddling country, with its disagreeable Congo Reform Association, made up of earls and bishops and John Morleys and university grandees and other dudes, more interested in other people's business than their own, I appointed it. Did it stop their mouths? No, they merely pointed out that it was a commission composed	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	wholly of my "Congo butchers," "the very men whose acts were to be inquired into."	[02:35]
assbot	404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ccz8Al )	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	turns out the first gaddafi was actually the king of belgium	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	and it further turns out that the method has been in use for well over 150 years.	[02:35]
asciilifeform	invented by u.s. abolitionists, afaik.	[02:36]
asciilifeform	~200.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	i guess that's where it traces properly huh.	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	of course, before they sunk the south, they sunk the so called "tavern lobby"	[02:37]
asciilifeform	mr mold actually did some passable work on the subject. he ended by zipping the stratagem into a single sentence, 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it'	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	the prohibition was not merely idiocy. it was a particular sort of vindictive idiocy, where the pencildicks got upset that politics was set by men, around beer	[02:38]
asciilifeform	aha.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	and so kept telling the women about how politics should "properly" be set by old men around pulpits.	[02:38]
asciilifeform	this, afaik, is immensely well documented.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	in a singular fit of stupidity, women went for it.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	perhaps aided by the very homosexual attitudes of teh men at the time.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the 'kick the beast till it bites, then shoot it' observation is valid. i propose the solution is for the beast to threaten indefinitely.	[02:40]
asciilifeform	works, sorta, for north kr.	[02:41]
asciilifeform	for now.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	extract compensation under threat, make sure compensation > kicking. let the cycle wear itself out.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	it's actually how bismarck beat england into a pulp, and created the first germany.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	just requires a lot of patience.	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	"they will resurrect and give new currency to such things as those, or to any other things that count against me, but they will not mention any act of mine that is in my favor. I have spent more money on art than any other monarch of my time, and they know it. Do they speak of it, do they tell about it? No, they do not. They prefer to work up what they call "ghastly statistics" into offensive kindergarten object lesson	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	s, whose purpose is to make sentimental people shudder, and prejudice them against me. They remark that "if the innocent blood shed in the Congo State by King Leopold were put in buckets and the buckets placed side by side, the line would stretch 2,000 miles; if the skeletons of his ten millions of starved and butchered dead could rise up and march in single file, it would take them seven months and four days to pass a	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	given point; if compacted together in a body, they would occupy more ground than St. Louis covers, World's Fair and all; if they should all clap their bony hands at once, the grisly crash would be heard a distance of --" Damnation, it makes me tired!"	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	infographs ? ted talks ? yep, about as un-novel as dirt.	[02:49]
mats	http://i.imgur.com/21o3yku.jpg manually cranked .bait	[02:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKQCf )	[02:54]
mats	http://map.ipviking.com purty colors	[02:55]
assbot	Norse - IPViking Live ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKV8R )	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lndlf15tFq1qjw73oo1_500.jpg purdier b&w	[02:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1wkKZWk )	[02:56]
decimation	it's a good thing the Congo is independent and thriving, now that it lacks the terrible yoke of Leopold	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	definitely.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	congo has never done better.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	had the meddlesome leopold been still involved, how was england to push south africa to abandon rhodesia, with empty promises that once the man shots his own dog, the man won't be hanged himself.	[02:58]
decimation	http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1713275,00.html < from moldbug's article	[03:03]
assbot	Come Back, Colonialism, All Is Forgiven	[03:03]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/captaincazalla/status/557024272560824320	[03:05]
assbot	a battle ram for every asseteer who rides into battle! http://t.co/hKgjR9UY87	[03:05]
mats	destroy it with fire	[03:07]
mats	it looks like a turd	[03:07]
BingoBoingo	Well, they all kind of look like that.	[03:08]
BingoBoingo	I mean their eyes even have turd shaped pupils	[03:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00043962 = 20.7501 BTC [+]	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	* asciilifeform recalls once reading that 'their' is 'obsolete,' and that the truly progressive (tm) types have made up new pronouns, 'ze', 've', fuck knows what els << i hold that "their" when used for a single entity is a crucifying offense	[03:17]
mats	http://www.ctv-egypt.com/2015/01/baghdadi-executes-56-isil-members-after.html	[03:19]
assbot	Baghdadi Executes 56 ISIL Members after Their Defeat in Southern Erbil \| Ctv Egypt News	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	lul nice ram	[03:20]
mats	taking a page out of comrade Joseph's playbook	[03:21]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes it's common usage. majesty plural.	[03:21]
mats	http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/2015/01/15/women-ranger-school-assessment/21708147/	[03:23]
assbot	Female soldiers OKed for Ranger School in April ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNpEj )	[03:23]
mats	http://emergingequity.org/2015/01/16/al-qaeda-in-india-why-we-should-pay-attention-oped/	[03:23]
assbot	Al Qaeda In India: Why We Should Pay Attention – OpEd \| EMerging Equity ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNrMh )	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	"Even amid the morbid decay, it comes as a shock to hear Le Blanc mourn colonialism. The venal, racist scramble by Europeans to possess Africa"	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	myeah, "the venal, racist scramble". right.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	"They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free." << there's a lot to this.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	once there's enough men in #b-a, we probably COULD take over a country.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	not clear anyone'd want to, or why.	[03:26]
mats	http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-hatched-plan-to-make-demon-toy-to-counter-bin-laden-influence/2014/06/19/cb3d571c-f0d0-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html	[03:28]
assbot	CIA hatched plan to make demon toy to counter Osama bin Laden’s influence - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkNSqb )	[03:28]
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mats	http://www.centcom.mil/en/news/articles/statement-from-u.s.-central-command-regarding-twitter-youtube-compromise	[03:30]
assbot	U.S. Central Command \| Statement from U.S. Central Command Regarding Twitter/YouTube Compromise ... ( http://bit.ly/1wkO2xC )	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	ok this should be good.	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	"TAMPA, Fla. - Earlier today, U.S. Central Command's Twitter and YouTube sites were compromised for approximately 30 minutes. These sites reside on commercial, non-Defense Department servers and both sites have been temporarily taken offline while we look into the incident further."	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	one paragraph in, it becomes apparent that while the us central command has no idea of wtf is going on, nevertheless us central command is willing to lie.	[03:32]
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mircea_popescu	!up Vexual	[03:42]
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Vexual	mp, you were asking about what constitues 'the sticks' in oz. To my knowlegde it's anywhere with pathcy phone reception	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	ic	[03:45]
Vexual	whereas 'back of beyond' means you wont see another soul for a week, and 'dingo bumfuck' means theres people, but they give off a wolf creek kinda vibe	[03:45]
Vexual	they're really all measures off the feel of a city	[03:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.00043722 = 3.1134 BTC [-]	[03:48]
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mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt9f1ckXgW1qzpavwo1_500.jpg	[03:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.12506349 = 7.879 BTC [-] {5}	[03:51]
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Vexual	ic the freckles have already been fucked off those two	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	they carry freckles inside.	[03:57]
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mircea_popescu	!up felipelalli	[03:59]
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mircea_popescu	see on the site, MPEx Listing. see http://trilema.com/category/sqntr/ as well.	[03:59]
assbot	Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxtqtx )	[03:59]
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felipelalli	bella illustration.	[04:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7308 @ 0.00045343 = 3.3137 BTC [+]	[04:04]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu: thank you. Is that possible to buy these shares on OTC or only in MPEx?	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	to buy anything otc you need to find a party that'll sell.	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	you may look into a broker for mpex, like coinbr.com	[04:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27916 @ 0.00045475 = 12.6948 BTC [+]	[04:07]
felipelalli	Thank you mircea_popescu. Any relation with https://www.coinbr.net/ ?	[04:07]
assbot	CoinBr ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxv2Dz )	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[04:08]
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punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7anAOhIEAAuncK.jpg	[04:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yxA035 )	[04:31]
punkman	!up Vexual	[04:31]
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Vexual	hi	[04:32]
Vexual	blogs? ain't no body got time for that	[04:33]
Vexual	i'm saving up for an mpex acct	[04:33]
punkman	i had kangaroo the other day, better than I expected	[04:33]
Vexual	really?	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	"Unfortunately," I said, "at present the Hague Tribunal is not armed with the powers of an international assize court, nor is it qualified to place offenders, crowned or otherwise, in the dock. But don't you think that in the evolution of society the constitution of such a criminal court is a necessity?"	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	"It would be a great convenience at present," said Mr. Harris; "nor would you need one atom of evidence beyond the report of the Commission to justify the hanging of whoever is responsible for the existence and continuance of such abominations."	[04:34]
Vexual	it's hard to do right	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	early history of the nurnberg courts, too.	[04:34]
punkman	Vexual: couple small steaks, tasted kinda like beef	[04:35]
mats	http://www.gofundme.com/kbr4a4 heartbreak hotel	[04:36]
assbot	Help Us Recover From an Online Scam by Kay Lusk - GoFundMe ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxB0nW )	[04:36]
punkman	https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/557037505162543105	[04:36]
assbot	What if Linus Torvalds is just angry because he's had to use Linux for 20 years	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	why should they recover ? "so we can give some other scammer money later on" ?	[04:36]
Vexual	thats interesting punkman	[04:37]
Vexual	i'd like to try souvlaki roo	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	"InfoSec Taylor Swift" ? seriosuly ?	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	is this more libertard "women in tech" ?	[04:37]
punkman	it's satire	[04:38]
punkman	but yeah dunno	[04:38]
Vexual	he might be a fan, they're everywhere	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	oh, "it's satire" i see.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	"satire" is not here for these cancerous fags to hide behind.	[04:39]
mats	http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ >> repost re: swift on security	[04:39]
assbot	Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1xn3v1J )	[04:39]
mats	some of these aren't bad	[04:40]
mats	" you belong on the internet of things because you're a tool"	[04:41]
Vexual	lol	[04:41]
Vexual	but still no	[04:42]
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mircea_popescu	" These online scammers extensively preyed on my trusting nature. I was mailed a "secure, verified" check for $2750 that I deposited into my account and was promptly tricked into sending almost all of this money to "the toy shop owner" so that he could ship the toys. "	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	eh.	[04:42]
Vexual	cost me $5	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	"Before all of this mess we were already financially struggling. To say that we were living paycheck-to-paycheck is an understatment. My boyfriend is currently underemployed and in school. I gave up 90% of the hours at my job in order to take this fake nanny job. I tried to explain all of this to the credit union but they were very callous with us saying that our priority needed to be on finding better paying jobs so	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	that we could pay off this debt. "	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	duh.,	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	callous eh ?	[04:43]
mats	heh.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	banks should get fucking pillories.	[04:43]
Vexual	why bitcoin is better than a bank cheque	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	that's what i'd like. for all retail establishments to get a pillory per 1mn yearly custom. then do some customer support in the form of, if you piss anyone off while on the premises, 10 minutes' flogging.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	and if you forget to thank the nice whipperperson for your lesson, 10 more.	[04:44]
mats	my grandmother got a phone call from 'a police sergeant' saying i was in county prison and needed to be bailed out before being inevitably deflowered	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	". I asked if there were any resources to help us and they declined to mention even one. This was despite my protests that we currently do not even have enough money for rent and food.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	In an attempt to restore our faith in humanity"	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	"humanity" owes them. because 'humanity' is daddy and daddy always paid whatever bottles they broke.	[04:45]
mats	she sent $2k via WU without even calling me.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	wow spanish prisoner trick ?!	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	that's like... 6 ? 12 ? centuries old.	[04:45]
punkman	older for sure	[04:46]
punkman	although the spanish prisoner scam bets on greed. bail prisoner out so you can get that nigerian gold.	[04:48]
Vexual	mats, did you call the cops yet?	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	well at the time people tended to know if their grandkids were at the house or not	[04:49]
mats	money's gone n its not coming back	[04:49]
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Vexual	wu usually has details	[04:50]
punkman	yeah but any bum can run a WU "office"	[04:50]
Vexual	gran would have a name etc	[04:51]
Vexual	meh 2 gran lesson	[04:52]
Vexual	feining a kidnap is kinda harsh tho	[04:54]
mats	"Sometimes... I look out the window and think... We're one cyberwar away from falling over. This can all be undone by a few lines of code. And maybe it will. Maybe then we will repent. For the arrogance that we could live so tall, with so little thought to what supports beneath."	[04:55]
mats	http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/gentoo-hardening-part-3-using-checksec-2/	[04:58]
assbot	Gentoo Hardening: Part 3: Using Checksec - InfoSec Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxFL0B )	[04:58]
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mats	http://beforeitsnews.com/markets/2015/01/bill-clinton-and-underage-sex-slaves-this-could-be-the-end-for-hillarys-presidential-run-in-2016-2477774.html	[05:06]
assbot	Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 \| Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxHoLI )	[05:06]
mats	interesting claims	[05:08]
mats	!up Vexual	[05:08]
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mircea_popescu	hahawut	[05:08]
Vexual	most of them are 17?	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	bill clinton can actually get it up ?!	[05:09]
Vexual	lol	[05:09]
Vexual	hillary can	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	"If it can be proven that Bill Clinton had sex with underage girls provided by Jeffrey Epstein, that could potentially destroy any chance that Hillary Clinton has of winning the presidency in 2016."	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	this logic...	[05:10]
mats	lol	[05:10]
Vexual	shes definately over 17	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	"sex slave" and "paid 15k'	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	i dun think these people comprehend what slave means.	[05:11]
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Vexual	https://www.tmz.com/2015/01/12/monica-lewinsky-golden-globes-party-video-vote-hillary-clinton/	[05:16]
Vexual	in other news, mcafee is on the lamb again up ben10s way	[05:23]
Vexual	maybe he can take him in and learn sme c	[05:30]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp-YPWnGmLg	[05:34]
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mircea_popescu	why ty	[12:40]
rithm	can someone explain this rozal dram to me in a tl:dr fashion it interests me	[12:40]
xanthyos	heh	[12:40]
rithm	trying to read buffer but the topic interests me	[12:40]
BingoBoingo	rithm: It's in this paste http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q	[12:41]
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mats	i guess someone squatted cazalla's nick?	[12:41]
rithm	;;ratingsystem getrating rozal	[12:41]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo . User Rozal, rated since Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013. Cumulative rating 45, from 44 total ratings. Received ratings: 41 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 43 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal	[12:41]
BingoBoingo	rithm: He got into a neg rating war with cazalla and fabricated theft allegations.	[12:41]
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BingoBoingo	mats: Not squatted. Rozal just straight up faked his log.	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[12:41]
mats	lol.	[12:42]
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xanthyos	wow	[12:42]
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kakobrekla	!rate -2 assbot test	[12:42]
assbot	-2 is not registered in WoT.	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	but... why ?!	[12:42]
kakobrekla	!rate assbot -2 test	[12:42]
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kakobrekla	thar	[12:42]
mats	cazalla doesnt play well with others	[12:42]
rithm	fwiw i've had issues with starbucks gift cards with this user i suspected fraud	[12:42]
rithm	that's why i notice	[12:42]
rithm	it was cleared up	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	starbuks gift cards ?!	[12:43]
rithm	heavily discounted	[12:43]
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rithm	you know what they say about things being too good to be true right	[12:43]
mats	rithm likes his iced skinny mocha lattes	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	it kinda blew my mind. probably for no good reason, objectively.	[12:44]
rithm	no not i the female counterpart	[12:44]
BingoBoingo	!rate Rozal -10 Apparently fabricates allegations of theft http://dpaste.com/2E94Q1Q admits fabrication http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318	[12:44]
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assbot	Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings	[12:44]
rithm	love the starbucks	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	just... coffee is this triviality, of no financial consequence. however, inviting oine for coffee is either sexual or whatever.	[12:44]
rithm	so much facepalm	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	so giving someone a coffee gift card is like... "go fuck yourself" ? ie, let's have a cup of coffee but without me there ?	[12:45]
rithm	coffe to me is trivial	[12:45]
rithm	coffee to others is some type of retarded status symbol	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	and then you paid for that ?!?!?!	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	but obv none of this has much if at all to do with you or teh starbux	[12:45]
xanthyos	starbucks is popular enough to have become a perfect money laundering system with their gift codes	[12:46]
rithm	i live under a rock on the internet	[12:46]
rithm	plz be kind.	[12:46]
BingoBoingo	Basically coffee gift cards are a sort of tide USD	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	but a bucket of tide is like 60 bux neh ?	[12:47]
rithm	idk where i can buy tide 50% off	[12:47]
xanthyos	starbucks cards are irreversible paypal	[12:48]
mod6	4.43L Tide = 17.09 USD	[12:48]
mod6	lol, 17.09 with coupon, $17.99 retail price @ target	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	that's not bad.	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	;;google how many cups of starbucks coffee in one gallon of tide	[12:52]
gribble	Folgers Mild Breakfast Blend Ground Coffee, 29.2 oz - Walmart.com: ; The Savvy Lady -: ; Travel Supplies for Europe: Small Stuff Packing List. - Enjoy-Europe:	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	oic	[12:52]
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thestringpuller	http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/temp/2014-08-03-bitcoin-alley-color-x640.png << this been seen yet?	[12:55]
thestringpuller	know its a bit old lol	[12:56]
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mircea_popescu	what did the victim say to the rapist ?	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	Dum licet, in rebus jucundis vive beatus. Vive memor quam sis aevi brevis.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	prolly Conington's got the best version. "Then take, good sir, your pleasure while you may. With life so short 'twere wrong to lose a day."	[13:01]
davout	much better than google translate	[13:02]
thestringpuller	https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Dum%20licet%2C%20in%20rebus%20jucundis%20vive%20beatus.%20Vive%20memor%20quam%20sis%20aevi%20brevis. << yea	[13:02]
thestringpuller	"While it may, in the case of the delights of live happy. Live mindful of how brief your time."	[13:02]
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davout	"all your delights are belong to the mindful brief time"	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	that's a little more ominous :)	[13:03]
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mircea_popescu	but works, yes. "have fun for what it's worth, mister. your time is short."	[13:03]
thestringpuller	"Cause I'ma cut your dick off in your sleep."	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	i wonder why all these derps ranting on and on about "empathy" never manage to produce one. imagine a victim like that.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	empathy is the fundament of all literature, for the reason that it's the fundament of all humanity. but empty palaver doth not an empathy make.	[13:04]
thestringpuller	social justice warriors are not very empathetic to begin with.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	quite not.	[13:04]
thestringpuller	i think they are self serving "goodness".	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	whole pile o' ought. exactly the opposite of empathy.	[13:05]
thestringpuller	the kind of "more righteous than thou" crowd, but dressed up as hippies.	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	chiefly, the substance of boring.	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	myeah, we see the same one beast.	[13:05]
thestringpuller	as you said on trilema, "It's going the way of the sitcom"	[13:06]
thestringpuller	or something like that	[13:06]
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mircea_popescu	but since we're doing horatius,	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	"Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida."	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	true men aren't swayed by redditarded frenzy, nor by soviet pretense to power.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony who made teh cartoon ?	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	!s stolfi	[13:14]
assbot	3 results for 'stolfi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stolfi	[13:14]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: no clue	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	In late 2013 Jorge took an active interest in the economics of cryptocurrencies. He became extremely skeptical about its underlying soundness and chances of success, and has been advising the Brazilian public against investment in bitcoin.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Stolfi	[13:15]
thestringpuller	jorge stolfi is a well hidden dude	[13:15]
assbot	Jorge Stolfi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2eGlN )	[13:15]
thestringpuller	or not	[13:15]
thestringpuller	XD	[13:15]
danielpbarron	!rate Rozal -10 http://danielpbarron.com/Rozal.asc.txt	[13:15]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/ << lmao epic scoop.	[13:16]
assbot	LizardStresser Hacked, Customer Details Leaked \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2f4Rr )	[13:16]
kakobrekla	>especially since storing user data as plaintext indicates that the group likely made further and still graver lapses in technological and operational security.	[13:17]
kakobrekla	nah	[13:17]
kakobrekla	thats intentional	[13:17]
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mircea_popescu	chetty: http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html << wow.	[13:18]
assbot	Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cd58nJ )	[13:18]
asciilifeform	'had problems.'	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	definitely.	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	"Everything indicates it was a suicide," Secretary of National Security Sergio Berni told local television. "We have to see if gunpowder is found on his hands."	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	so... "nothing indicates it was a suicide, but we'll lie about it."	[13:20]
asciilifeform	at least he didn't fellate a nailgun. or sew himself into a sack afterwards.	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	i mean... the circumstances are such that he'd have been killed, and dunno yet if powder residue. literlaly nothing indicates a suicide.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform suicide with a .22 ?	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	gimme a break.	[13:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol	[13:21]
danielpbarron	!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Rozal.-10:43ae443061902db3b67328f3d62f0487148cc47aaa53abcf854c7696be4ca674	[13:21]
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mircea_popescu	"He was alone in the apartment," prosecutor Viviana Fein told reporters. "There are no witnesses." << probably the best reason to keep a harem ever.	[13:21]
asciilifeform	'harem also suicided'	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[13:21]
asciilifeform	from grief.	[13:21]
asciilifeform	lol	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	good story brah.	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	the pregnant 16yo also ?	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	"sure. prepostpartum."	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	"and pms"	[13:22]
asciilifeform	'if ya don't believe this lie is true, ask the blind man, he saw it too'	[13:22]
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mircea_popescu	Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional".	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	unconstitutional accusiations. capitanich sounds more like ximenez each day.	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	the jackie childs school of rhetorics	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	and all this over oil, which is now cheap.	[13:24]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/lizardstresser-hacked-customer-details-leaked/ << lmao epic scoop. << It's the one I've been waiting for. Anticipated the thing only meriting an epitaph.	[13:28]
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mircea_popescu	Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings << wut the fuck going on there ?!	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	Rozal: despite showing humility, he refused to remove his ratings - so I over reacted << is this klye ?	[13:31]
davout	kakobrekla: so are assbot and -otc's wots completely forked or is there some sort of sync?	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	teward: in other news, coffee is now overpriced on campus - someone should be funding my coffee habits << job board's this way http://trilema.com/category/job-board/	[13:32]
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kakobrekla	no sync atm	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	davout tryin' to work out a sync paradigm with nanotube	[13:32]
davout	okidoki	[13:32]
davout	mircea_popescu: also i read a bit more about merged mining yesteday and today, especially how merge-mining namecoin came to be	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	in any case imported ratings in either wot would be marked as such	[13:33]
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davout	which makes sense	[13:33]
davout	so re the merge-mining it looks like namecoin had to be hard-forked to support it	[13:33]
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davout	so i don't really see how it'd be possible to merge mine two bitcoin forks	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	what'd be the difficulty ?	[13:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Best I can tell it's a nobody. But they had a bunch of perfect ratings from tiny trades.	[13:35]
bertani	davout: I don't get your point, why shouldn't it?	[13:35]
davout	mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. "	[13:36]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: there is this auxillary proof of work notion, "Not to be confused with the "previous block". This is a block that is structured for the parent blockchain (i.e. the prev_block hash points to the prior block on the parent blockchain). The header of this block is part of the AuxPOW Block in the auxiliary blockchain. " << Basically this is my understanding. Both Bitcoin's would insist on being the "Parent" unl	[13:37]
BingoBoingo	ess gavincoin is also hardforking to allow AuxPOW	[13:37]
davout	bertani: because if you need one of the chains to be somehow aware of the merge mining you'd need a second hardfork after the first block size related hardfork	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo at the point prior to forking, the only difference between the two is version.	[13:37]
davout	well, maybe if we sell it to reddit as an opportunity to increase adoption ...	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	putting out blocks with both versions isn't actually putting out different blocks is it ?	[13:37]
BingoBoingo	Well, it is once the chains require different blocks because they've forked...	[13:38]
davout	the version is part of the header, so the solution for one header doesn't work for the other	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	i guess this "merge mining' business needs moar looking into.	[13:38]
kakobrekla	bitcoin merged mined with bitcoin is bad idea.	[13:39]
davout	i don't think the way you propose to use merge mining actually works	[13:39]
davout	or i mean, is actually feasible	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is.	[13:40]
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mircea_popescu	i had thought different chains had to be forked to mm because of their different origin. but that's not what happens in merged mining at all.	[13:41]
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mircea_popescu	what happens is that a hash of a block of the lower chain is inserted in bitcoin blocks, and then the lower chain accepts this as "just as good" proof.	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	better ways to ruin scamcoins than merge-mine them doth not exist huh.	[13:41]
BingoBoingo	Basically Bitch chain depends on the Master chain.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that spec'll hafta be revised, but needs more thinking.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yup. my cluelessness about alts is showing huh.	[13:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, that's what the channel's for.	[13:42]
davout	!b 2	[13:43]
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kakobrekla	hey thats insulting	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	check out dooglus (who isn't a gavin-approved economist, in spite of being exactly as certified&educated in the topic as the random idiots a la Oleg Andreev et all) explaining economics :	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	At any given time there is a certain amount of demand for a Bitcoin like currency to make transactions. That need doesn’t increase with more competition. That means that the transactional demand for Bitcoin is really the same as the transactional demand for all substantially similar forms of payment. As more currencies are competing to fill the same demand they actually reduce the demand for the other currencies as t	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	hey become more widely used.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	This means that ultimately, to the extent that currencies are interchangeable to end users, merged mining does not increase the overall security of the networks. The demand for currencies drives the price (and thus the value of the reward). Increased demand for any given currency results in decreased demand for others, lowering the incentive to mine for the other currencies. The total incentive is a function of total d	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	emand for all Bitcoin like currencies.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	Except now competing currencies can market themselves as “as secure as Bitcoin but with lower transaction fees.” In other words there is a race to the bottom among competing currencies to offer the lowest transaction fees, because lowering the transaction fee doesn’t hurt the security of the network in comparison to the other merged mining networks. Users, following their own self interest, will adopt the currenc	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	y with the lowest transaction fees as long as it has the same security of the competitors.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	This will increase the price of the currency with the lowest transaction fee (because demand for the currency is higher), and decrease the price of the currencies with higher transactions fees (because demand for those currencies is dropping as it is being filled by demand for the competing currency). Because the currencies with the higher transaction fees were the ones generating the incentive to mine, overall incenti	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	ve to mine will diminish. As long as a currency’s mining is merged with the freeloading currency, it will be powerless to increase incentives by imposing mandatory transaction fees.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	The result will be a decrease in mining incentive, a decrease in mining, and ultimately all networks that allow merged mining will become insecure.	[13:46]
davout	so, if i understand correctly, the way this thing works is that it attracts moar miners through the bonus mechanism, which in turn contributes to killing-off gavincoin amirite	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	edited Apr 6 '12 at 4:35 Chris Moore	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	davout was the original design.	[13:47]
mats	a .22 can be quite deadly	[13:47]
mats	just ... don't shoot the guy in the forehead. put it in an eye.	[13:47]
mats	the round'll tumble once it gets in there.	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	mats and water can be quite healthy. doesn't make it the cure for life threatening conditions does it ?	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	i mean, if you're going to do it, why risk you just lose an eye ? survivors even after a 12 gauge shot exist.	[13:48]
kakobrekla	well speaking of risk, why not a hand grenade in mouth.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	because most people can't get frags.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	also plenty of people are vain and want open casket funerals	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	(frag will leave visible kidneys)(	[13:51]
*	kakobrekla had a frag at home as a kid	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	well... somaliland	[13:51]
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kakobrekla	euroafrica	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	davout it IS perhaps possible to create some sort of equivalency tables so that "Hi this is Bitcoinblock 1 with nonce 1456546456456456" and "Hi this is Gavincoin with nonce 3489759348759834" hash-collide.	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	then mine both blocks as the same hash.	[13:53]
mats	folklore claims that the round is uniquely deadly because it loses penetrating power after passing through bone the first time, and then just bounces around blending the brain matter until it exits the skull	[13:54]
TomServo	Rozal \| I won't return anyones negatives << Turns out, not so much. On gribble's side of the wot anyway.	[13:54]
TomServo	^and this kind of sucks.	[13:54]
mats	whereas with a higher calibre it might just go straight through.	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	mats i heard that theory more about the .38 as a better suicide weapon than the .45	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	i never heard anyone seriously propose bb guns for the job	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	if you really want that effect, fill a hunting weapon with quailshot and have at it.	[13:55]
davout	mircea_popescu: what would be in that table?	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	davout i dunno, i'm no rainbow expert	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	"it is easy if you know what you're doing".	[13:56]
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STRML	Thanks	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	sure. who're you ?	[13:58]
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kakobrekla	!up STRML	[13:59]
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STRML	Appreciated. voicing here is a bit strange	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	2**32	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 2**32	[14:00]
gribble	4294967296	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	so each ~4.3 Gh the nonce overflows. hm.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	really the nonce should have been 64bit.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	i guess satoshi not only ran a windows machine with c, but it was a 32bit thing	[14:01]
davout	mircea_popescu: for the first >1mb block you will necessarily have a different merkle root, so you can't possibly have the same block hash at any point afterwards	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	davout yeh i am surrendered, merging doesn't work like i thought it would.	[14:02]
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mircea_popescu	davout http://trilema.com/2015/rfc-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/ there you go, degraded to rfc.	[14:04]
assbot	[RFC] The Gavin Assassinsen Memorial Mining Pool Implementation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrL3uu )	[14:04]
davout	if you remove 1. then mining gavincoin blocks can be removed from the rfc as well	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	the principal utility of this thing is to guarantee the general public the ability to split its coins on the two chains	[14:07]
davout	so if i understand correctly, the main characteristic you want for this pool, is that it prioritizes double-spends of already-confirmed gavincoins when picking which txes to put in its blocks	[14:08]
davout	s/gavincoins/gavincoin txes/	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	something like that	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	actually you're right huh, it doesn't need to be trustless and that "send to pool" step is gunk.	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	it could just look for dblspent txs that made it on gavinchain and prioritize them	[14:10]
davout	yep	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	course, this is not actually needed either. miners already do that, in that they look for high tx fee txn	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	maybe this entire pool thing actually just needs to be a website to generate raw tx for people to put in bitcoind	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	like a graphics aid.	[14:11]
davout	also, i think that if what you want to achieve is a bitcoin separator, the easiest way is simply to acquire a satoshi from eligius and use it on the input side of a transaction	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	im not happy with waiting the 200 blocks for the scamcoins to mature.	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	that sort of latency means you'll be a late comer to the "sell it into the dirt" party.	[14:12]
davout	since eligius pays directly from the coinbase you're guaranteed to receive a payout that's spendable on one chain but not on the other	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	but also guaranteed to receive it too late.	[14:12]
thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2sw3is/part_3_wupdates_tifu_by_reading_my_wifes_text/	[14:12]
BingoBoingo	;;rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment	[14:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM2Lb )	[14:13]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings	[14:13]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Rozal has changed from -10 to -10.	[14:13]
davout	yeah, if you can't wait 120 blocks to separate coins you'll have to convince a pool to mine a crosschain double spend	[14:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM45U )	[14:13]
BingoBoingo	!rate Rozal -10 Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment	[14:13]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f9de3c72f76f614e	[14:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM6KW )	[14:13]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2015 15:27:37; Rozal: I apologize, yes im a big liar who got mad because cazalla messes up my perfect ratings	[14:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zrM5qv )	[14:13]
davout	poor guy will end up with a -200 global rating	[14:14]
BingoBoingo	!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.Rozal.-10:e8cff8dc4301540ac33879fdae27da2f82b391e7da5b599ef4df0db73c2eab22	[14:14]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for Rozal from -10 to -10 with note: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment	[14:14]
davout	if he's lucky it'll overflow back to some positive rating :D	[14:14]
BingoBoingo	depends on how big total rating maxint is	[14:15]
kakobrekla	it goes up to 11	[14:17]
BingoBoingo	If he wants to debate this he can do it in a public channel. Given he has fabricated allegations before I want to make it unambiguously clear that I will not engage him privately.	[14:17]
BingoBoingo	Too high risk.	[14:17]
davout	BingoBoingo: what's the risk? some derp negrating you?	[14:17]
BingoBoingo	davout: Some Derp fabricating a scam and negrating me.	[14:18]
BingoBoingo	He's already negrated me. Nothing to lose there.	[14:18]
BingoBoingo	This time he was caught in his lie because he was sloppy. The next time he does it he probably won't be so sloppy.	[14:20]
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thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: better or worse than flappy plane?	[14:25]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: He never PM'd me. worse than flappy plane though http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment	[14:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zrNY6j )	[14:26]
*	BingoBoingo thinks this could have been a perfect use of deedbot	[14:26]
BingoBoingo	For the much stronger timestamping	[14:27]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, you are setting a v.nice standard for this sort of situation	[14:27]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: I've always had this standard ready. There was jsut never a situation for it.	[14:27]
davout	BingoBoingo: you can already timestamp some stuff and get deedbot to accept it later as previously timestamped, that is, if the bundle structure is already defined	[14:28]
thestringpuller	davout: could you elaborate further?	[14:28]
BingoBoingo	davout: But why should we remain barbarians defining time as UTC when we can define it in terms of Block height?	[14:28]
ben_vulpes	good morning, jihadis	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	may allah's 40 cunts be upon you, ben	[14:29]
ben_vulpes	without reading any scrollback i agree with BB	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	davout how'd thatwork ?	[14:29]
ben_vulpes	only 40?!	[14:29]
ben_vulpes	scam	[14:29]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Oh, but such good drama this morning	[14:29]
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davout	you can just sha256 your content, make an address out of that, send a bitcent there, and since that's how deedbot is supposed to work, you get your stuff deedbot-timestamped before deedbot even exists	[14:29]
BingoBoingo	But part of the deedbot appeal is also hosting the deeds as a stronger pastebin/dpaste alternative.	[14:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00049167 = 4.72 BTC [+]	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	davout sure. so ?	[14:31]
davout	BingoBoingo: sure, but if your timestamping respects deedbot's spec just get it included along	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	it won't show up on its website, but supposedly you dun care	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	well no	[14:31]
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davout	what matters is the way it works, not the specific implementation that actually works the way it is specified, just my 2 bitcents anyway	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	people should be able to sign independently of the notary, and should be able to mock its formality, sure.	[14:33]
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davout	the notary doesn't sign does it?	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	nop	[14:34]
davout	the way i saw it was that it'd just be a manually-made lord-signed deed, rather than one compiled by an IRC bot	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	right	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	unwitnessed, as it were.	[14:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37205 @ 0.00047812 = 17.7885 BTC [-] {2}	[14:35]
Apocalyptic	davout sounds right, deedbot can verify a payment was made to that address and hence include it retrospectively	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	no.	[14:36]
davout	well, blockchain is the witness here, or am i missing sthg?	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	yes, you are.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	if you come hither with a signed statement saying "the coin will fall tails" i won't particularly care	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	because for all i know you signed a "coin will fall heads" statement too and aren't sharing that one.	[14:36]
Apocalyptic	aha, I get it	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	the notary keeps a list of all the items it was sent a certain way.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	you're free to sign whatever matter a similar way, but it won't be thus notarized. it will just be your own mock-up of the process.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	which is fine, but as far as i see toothless.	[14:37]
davout	well, in that case it doesn't really make sense to me that the notary doesn't GPG-sign	[14:37]
Apocalyptic	the content has to be made public and witnessed by others at the time it's timestamped	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	it does make sense. because the trust does not derive from a robotic application of a gpg seal.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i got a meeting, we'll have to continue this debte in a few hours.	[14:38]
davout	more from the fact that folks you trust are looking at deeds being timestamped	[14:38]
davout	amirite	[14:39]
davout	also there was another thing regarding deedbot, if all deeds are simply concatenated before being hashed into a bitcoin private key, that means anyone watching the process taking place can deduce the bitcoin private key that's going to be generated, and claim the coins that'll be sent there	[14:40]
ben_vulpes	that's a feature, davout	[14:40]
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davout	ben_vulpes: you might just as well spend that back to deedbot's wallet by broadcasting a second transaction at the same time	[14:41]
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ben_vulpes	davout: talk to the specwriter, but i believe the thing acts as a btc spigot so as to incentivize auditing of its behavior.	[14:53]
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mats	whos getting out of bed for 0.0001btc?	[14:57]
davout	mats: lol, a bot	[14:59]
davout	not that i see this as a design flaw or somesuch, jsut	[15:00]
davout	just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec	[15:01]
ben_vulpes	0.001 btc is a pizza today, and a nuke sub in five decades	[15:01]
ben_vulpes	(or two centuries. pick your timeframe).	[15:02]
davout	if there's actually one deed bundle per hour that'll amount to	[15:02]
davout	;;calc 0.000124365	[15:02]
gribble	0.876	[15:02]
davout	hah	[15:02]
undata	davout: that occurred to me as well	[15:02]
ben_vulpes	not bad for running a bot	[15:02]
mats	;;calc .001*[ticker --last]	[15:02]
gribble	0.21289	[15:02]
undata	I was also wondering whether one might want to salt the generated private key somehow so it's harder to guess	[15:03]
mats	hardly a pizza	[15:03]
davout	mats: you need an extra 0	[15:03]
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davout	undata: yep, my thought too	[15:03]
davout	but if it's really like 1btc/year worst case you might as well consider it as burned	[15:03]
Apocalyptic	undata, ? the purpose is that everyone can hash the bundle and verify the address indeed matches	[15:04]
undata	Apocalyptic: yeah, that ruins that without later revealing the salt	[15:04]
davout	Apocalyptic: the idea is to reveal the salt, but only after the bitcoin has been claimed back from the bundle-related addy, not keep it secret forever	[15:04]
ben_vulpes	mats: "pizza", "chump change" you pedantic nerd	[15:04]
undata	the two transations thing seems fine	[15:04]
Apocalyptic	davout, claimed back by whom ?	[15:05]
davout	mats: 1000 btc used to also be hardly a pizza	[15:05]
davout	Apocalyptic: by deedbot	[15:05]
undata	davout: you could just wait to upload after the second transaction confirms	[15:05]
Apocalyptic	afaik ben_vulpes is correct, it's a feature that icentivies 3rd parties to verify	[15:05]
Apocalyptic	so you would not want deedbot to take it back	[15:05]
davout	^ that sounds like something good	[15:05]
ben_vulpes	mats: do you not get the pizza reference?	[15:05]
undata	Apocalyptic: ah	[15:06]
davout	if someone pops in here one day and says "o i can't pick up deedbot's crumbs anymore" you have a problem somewhere	[15:06]
mats	i got it	[15:06]
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ben_vulpes	[] http://beforeitsnews.com/markets/2015/01/bill-clinton-and-underage-sex-slaves-this-could-be-the-end-for-hillarys-presidential-run-in-2016-2477774.html << since when did "whore" get replaced with "sex slave"?	[15:09]
assbot	Bill Clinton And Underage Sex Slaves – This Could Be The End For Hillary’s Presidential Run In 2016 \| Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/17YWmP6 )	[15:09]
mats	women don't have agency, man	[15:10]
mats	don't you know anything	[15:10]
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ben_vulpes	[] http://news.yahoo.com/argentine-prosecutor-accused-fernandez-iran-plot-found-dead-073033179.html << scawwy	[15:13]
assbot	Argentine prosecutor who accused Fernandez of Iran plot found dead - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/17YWONw )	[15:13]
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ben_vulpes	[] hm. turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is. << welcome to my club of ignorance	[15:21]
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mircea_popescu	!up Zarathul	[15:46]
-assbot-	You voiced Zarathul for 30 minutes.	[15:46]
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mircea_popescu	just wondering if there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in the spec << so people can have fun.	[15:46]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes you don't understand, she was almost under 18 at the time and she didn't agree to switch positions!	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	RAPE CULTURE	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	lol@fuckyou.biz sez "this article is fucking stupid and i hope it was written as a joke to piss off nerds"	[15:49]
*	ben_vulpes can't cope with the constantly moving targets	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	apparently fuckyou is now a biznis	[15:49]
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thestringpuller	"the right for people to freely trade with each other without anybody interfering with the transaction"	[16:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00048359 = 8.0276 BTC [+]	[16:05]
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ben_vulpes	magit file notify doesn't work on os x.	[16:08]
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ben_vulpes	when i'm rich and can read and fuck and code on whatever pleases me all day i'm going to write MY OWN OS	[16:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00047296 = 14.2124 BTC [-]	[16:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20999 @ 0.00048359 = 10.1549 BTC [+]	[16:17]
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BingoBoingo	http://nypost.com/2015/01/13/principal-wants-to-stockpile-canned-foods-as-weapons-against-intruders/	[16:21]
assbot	Principal wants to stockpile canned foods — as weapons against intruders \| New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWuSVK )	[16:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75750 @ 0.00047292 = 35.8237 BTC [-] {2}	[16:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00047284 = 11.7264 BTC [-]	[16:34]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes so like stan ?	[16:38]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/01/spammer-escalates-to-murder/	[16:41]
assbot	Spammer Escalates to Murder \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWCck7 )	[16:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94700 @ 0.00049188 = 46.581 BTC [+] {3}	[16:47]
ben_vulpes	yeah, mebbe he gets to it first. he'd certainly do a better job.	[16:47]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes would prolly rather prototype some chips at 1 meter process size.	[16:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49516 @ 0.0004939 = 24.456 BTC [+] {2}	[16:53]
BingoBoingo	Fabricating diodes in the shop.	[16:53]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: lol you know me so well	[16:58]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes creator of artisan chips at scale.	[17:00]
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BingoBoingo	!up cazalla	[17:00]
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cazalla	if it wasn't already clear, i didn't steal/recieve/transact with that Rozal guy	[17:01]
BingoBoingo	It's clear. He admitted to fabricating the allegation.	[17:02]
davout	;;getrating Rozas	[17:02]
gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating	[17:02]
davout	fuck you gribble, when i say getrating, i mean getrating	[17:02]
BingoBoingo	;;getrating Rozal	[17:03]
gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating	[17:03]
davout	;;getrating Rozas --no-seriously	[17:03]
gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating	[17:03]
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davout	;;ident Rozas	[17:03]
gribble	Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.	[17:03]
davout	;;gpg info Rozas	[17:03]
gribble	No such user registered.	[17:03]
TomServo	Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out?	[17:04]
davout	urgh fuck me	[17:04]
BingoBoingo	;;gpg info Rozal	[17:04]
gribble	User 'Rozal', with keyid 1C6C480917AD74D9, fingerprint D80FB0CF5F65CDC0EC40AF051C6C480917AD74D9, and bitcoin address 1DUDE1aJyNEcV1iqKA3SUqJB3QaWUfoFNz, registered on Thu Jan 17 08:51:26 2013, last authed on Mon Jan 19 09:36:57 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Rozal . Currently authenticated from hostmask Rozal!uid50160@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqjwtzzpstsnaybo .	[17:04]
BingoBoingo	;;rated Rozal	[17:04]
gribble	You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.	[17:04]
davout	BingoBoingo: t	[17:04]
davout	ty	[17:04]
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BingoBoingo	That last letter is the hardest	[17:04]
davout	kek	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	Am I crazy for suggesting that assbot be subordinate to gribble until the exchange of ratings is sorted out? << why would it be ?	[17:31]
BingoBoingo	I've just assumed until it sorts out that rating twice is generally the best practice for most ratings	[17:33]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: Things seemed to be getting messy with the drama earlier. Having to rate in two places.	[17:33]
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mircea_popescu	well obv that's optional. as the wot decentralizes, one can be part of as many / all of them.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	that they talk to each other is a convenience, and i guess best practice, but not really a necessity.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	actually i guess it depends on teh wisdom / celerity of teh admins currently involved if the future will hold it as best practice or just you know, that thing that might have been useful but never took off.	[17:35]
BingoBoingo	Sure. I for example entered the Rozal rating on both WoTs because the information is immidiately useful to both #bitcoin-assets as lulz material and #bitcoin-otc as a leper's bell around the person's neck.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	makes sense	[17:38]
kakobrekla	basically ba wot is lulz is what you are saying	[17:38]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: In this case. DOn't see the dude around here, so I only know him noa for the laffs	[17:39]
danielpbarron	not just lulz, Rozal can still voice himself in here	[17:39]
kakobrekla	correction, useless lulz!	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ima send you alum cakes!	[17:41]
BingoBoingo	Well, if he does Rozal can try to argue why his slander is good like kakobrekla's slander even though kakobrekla's slander is right and Rozal's slander is lies.	[17:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15566 @ 0.00047284 = 7.3602 BTC [-]	[17:42]
assbot	You rated user kakobrekla on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: runs several solid btc enterprises (bit4x,bitbet,panacea,...);we met IRL.	[17:44]
jurov	!rate kakobrekla NaN at loss of words	[17:44]
assbot	Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.	[17:44]
jurov	!rate kakobrekla -0.0 at loss of words	[17:44]
assbot	Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.	[17:44]
jurov	!rate kakobrekla 4.00001 at loss of words	[17:44]
assbot	Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.	[17:45]
jurov	okay	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	we been through this yest	[17:45]
jurov	i'm still in yest with the log	[17:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00047039 = 31.0457 BTC [-] {2}	[17:50]
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jurov	and why assbot isn't replying with these incredibly useful fortune quips?	[17:56]
jurov	"Invalid verfication(sic) string" is so ... 70s	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	^	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla add more slovenian to assbot!	[17:57]
kakobrekla	because its harder to debug	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	i thought slovenian ate bug.	[17:59]
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kakobrekla	not if worm is found.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	!b 7	[17:59]
assbot	Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DYSV1P.txt )	[17:59]
BingoBoingo	What about doormouse?	[18:00]
kakobrekla	those are out of session.	[18:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00046935 = 29.9211 BTC [-] {2}	[18:02]
BingoBoingo	Ah, I need to engineer sessionless doormouse sometime.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	sessionless is either door or mouse	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	can't match them unless session	[18:05]
kakobrekla	and they are great to make ushanka from	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	i thought ushanka is made out of policewoman snatch.	[18:06]
kakobrekla	not here	[18:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00047081 = 8.2156 BTC [+]	[18:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23779 @ 0.00047081 = 11.1954 BTC [+]	[18:13]
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jurov	here it's done from roof hares	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	!up nubbins`	[18:15]
-assbot-	You voiced nubbins` for 30 minutes.	[18:15]
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mircea_popescu	dja know how to voice nubs ?	[18:16]
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nubbins`	hi	[18:20]
nubbins`	nothin to say ;D	[18:20]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/el8ljYZ.jpg	[18:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/15ndnli )	[18:20]
nubbins`	^ from a "master wood carver" on the forums who "hand carves" his designs	[18:21]
nubbins`	note how the surface design is impossibly beautiful, indicating an inhumanly skilled craftsman, yet the shape of the BTC logo looks as if it was molded in play-doh by a 12yo	[18:21]
nubbins`	here's another hilariously mismatched one: https://i.imgur.com/HILYArv.jpg	[18:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/15neaCH )	[18:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.0004722 = 8.4996 BTC [+] {2}	[18:32]
jurov	handcarved by laser	[18:36]
fluffypony	aren't we 3D printing wood yet?	[18:36]
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kakobrekla	so thats how you destroy good piece of wood	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59973 @ 0.00046857 = 28.1015 BTC [-] {2}	[18:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00048584 = 6.9961 BTC [+]	[18:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62076 @ 0.00048992 = 30.4123 BTC [+] {2}	[18:49]
jurov	well, as i read the asswot discussion, let it be noted btc-dev mailing list will eventually need timely updates of wot database, too	[18:51]
jurov	also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally	[18:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00050254 = 26.0316 BTC [+]	[19:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00048602 = 24.8356 BTC [-] {2}	[19:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00050324 = 17.9153 BTC [+] {3}	[19:29]
thestringpuller	;;seen	[19:29]
gribble	(seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. may contain * as a wildcard.	[19:30]
thestringpuller	;;seen nubbins`	[19:30]
gribble	nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 7 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: here's another hilariously mismatched one: https://i.imgur.com/HILYArv.jpg	[19:30]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: I have moar werk for pink eye prints	[19:30]
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kakobrekla	!shasum wot	[19:46]
assbot	sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 1e3819c7288865d34fc73ed636fe4880ee2275ed0d85772dc2c67839a2ed47cc	[19:46]
assbot	sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 63fcbe8ada533bae462972e08b0a8388a924036517f3e1912415d82eba65e814	[19:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39450 @ 0.00050336 = 19.8576 BTC [+]	[19:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049866 = 13.4638 BTC [-]	[20:02]
ben_vulpes	oh hey that's neat kakobrekla	[20:03]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:03]
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davout	!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro	[20:07]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.	[20:07]
assbot	Key 01713428 / "Paymium Support " successfully imported.	[20:07]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0dfa4210ab9a2da2	[20:07]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:07]
davout	oh noes, it took the wrong primary id	[20:08]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:08]
davout	!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro	[20:11]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1643ea22c0658764	[20:11]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:11]
kakobrekla	wait whut	[20:11]
davout	kakobrekla: can you force a reimport of my key?	[20:11]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:11]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:11]
kakobrekla	lol	[20:11]
kakobrekla	wtf is with assbot	[20:12]
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assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:12]
kakobrekla	shut up	[20:12]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:12]
davout	assbot is getting crehzy	[20:12]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:12]
danielpbarron	!down assbot	[20:12]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:12]
davout	s/assbot/dosbot/	[20:12]
davout	maybe we should bring assbot to the bot doctor	[20:15]
assbot	Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.	[20:15]
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kakobrekla	davout reimport of same key ?	[20:16]
davout	kakobrekla: yeah, i fucked my key up, put paymium support as primary id, fixed it and re-pushed it to key server, it's just aesthetics	[20:17]
kakobrekla	well i can delete it from keyring and it will be imported again next time you run command	[20:18]
kakobrekla	or !change key to x and from x to back to what you have now	[20:18]
davout	kakobrekla: if you can delete that's cool	[20:19]
davout	as long as the ratings stay	[20:19]
kakobrekla	yea	[20:19]
davout	so you have some logic to handle colliding key ids?	[20:19]
davout	wait no	[20:19]
kakobrekla	key id is presumed to be not uncollidable	[20:20]
davout	you already have the fingerprints from gribble amirite	[20:20]
kakobrekla	i mean fp	[20:20]
kakobrekla	i use only fp	[20:20]
davout	that you got from gribble	[20:20]
kakobrekla	yea	[20:20]
kakobrekla	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=davout	[20:20]
assbot	#bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1xqD4Z1 )	[20:21]
kakobrekla	assbot> Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.	[20:21]
davout	yea mp's link about an actual demo of key id collision attack with puppetlab's key looked pretty scary	[20:21]
davout	!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro	[20:21]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5e8c564d3f8bdc6	[20:21]
kakobrekla	hold on a sec	[20:22]
kakobrekla	i didnt remove it yet	[20:22]
davout	assbot: you feeling better?	[20:22]
assbot	a bit	[20:22]
davout	assbot: good	[20:22]
assbot	its hard work, i hardly get any sleep	[20:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00050353 = 21.8532 BTC [+] {2}	[20:25]
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kakobrekla	davout key cleared	[20:28]
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davout	kakobrekla: danke schön	[20:30]
davout	!rate kakobrekla 1/0 cool wot bro	[20:31]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 291237F37A2C023CADBED52513288EAB01713428. This may take a few moments.	[20:31]
assbot	Key 01713428 / "David FRANCOIS (E-mail) " successfully imported.	[20:31]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/98431d066034acb0	[20:31]
davout	!v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.1/0:27df5d8b4242724bfb6271ceb46ada8c7a7c443abc96a009ed9aed2b7d5f14ad	[20:31]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 3 to 1/0 with note: cool wot bro	[20:31]
davout	so 1/0 is a valid integer nao?	[20:31]
PeterL	it lets you use 1/0 as a number now?	[20:32]
kakobrekla	shut the fuck up.	[20:32]
davout	!b 3	[20:32]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1S68XZ5.txt )	[20:32]
kakobrekla	!gettrust davout kakobrekla	[20:32]
assbot	Trust relationship from user davout to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 22 via 9 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/davout/kakobrekla \| http://w.b-a.link/user/kakobrekla	[20:32]
kakobrekla	[rating] => 1	[20:32]
davout	1/0 is an alias for $MOON	[20:32]
davout	!rate kakobrekla 3 cool wot bro	[20:32]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/82083d73fa5699f5	[20:32]
davout	!v assbot:davout.rate.kakobrekla.3:550c72dc47e3a32e0d797a9953ebb1f8bbc90308e8a7f02d95f406f6d0cc7f9e	[20:33]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 1 to 3 with note: cool wot bro	[20:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00050391 = 4.8375 BTC [+]	[20:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00050417 = 15.5536 BTC [+] {2}	[20:48]
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kakobrekla	!rate assbot 1/0	[20:50]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0ecad1a5b37446fc	[20:50]
kakobrekla	aha it gets taken out earlier	[20:50]
kakobrekla	meh too lazy.	[20:50]
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kakobrekla	otp will show correctly now.	[20:57]
kakobrekla	otp header	[20:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00050418 = 12.5289 BTC [+]	[21:08]
danielpbarron	http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html	[21:43]
assbot	Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9Elap )	[21:43]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/19/the-ultimate-status-symbol/ << mah new toy.	[21:57]
assbot	The ultimate status symbol. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9GtPG )	[21:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45746 @ 0.00050579 = 23.1379 BTC [+] {2}	[22:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3854 @ 0.00051413 = 1.9815 BTC [+]	[22:01]
jurov	sooo... if i need to have fresh data for btc-dev, i'm supposed to query http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/	[22:12]
jurov	but how i'm getting them out ouf short keyid... pull it from keyserver, i guess	[22:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12000001 = 1.2 BTC [-]	[22:14]
jurov	good riddance	[22:14]
kakobrekla	you should search by fp on keyserver	[22:15]
jurov	just to be sure, may i consider http://w.b-a.link/trust/ api stable?	[22:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1B9J3F8 )	[22:15]
kakobrekla	idk	[22:16]
jurov	why idk?	[22:22]
kakobrekla	well its stable as in online but if you need something changed for example i would do it if its reasonable	[22:23]
jurov	no such need so far. what format is it?	[22:26]
kakobrekla	which ?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell MetatronOne da	[22:29]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:29]
jurov	the trust output	[22:31]
jurov	[meta] => Array < this stuff	[22:32]
kakobrekla	in http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kakobrekla and http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kakobrekla/json	[22:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1B9L6ZZ )	[22:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1B9L704 )	[22:32]
kakobrekla	use json	[22:32]
kakobrekla	to parse	[22:32]
kakobrekla	second link	[22:32]
jurov	ahh yes	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally << this should be fixed, and rly shouldn't be to hard to.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	oh hey that's neat kakobrekla << werd.	[22:35]
jurov	!ident jurov	[22:35]
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jurov	^ would be good to have	[22:35]
kakobrekla	there is no session	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	its hard work, i hardly get any sleep << sleep is for pussy!	[22:36]
jurov	we are assuming that whoever has voice is properly identified?	[22:36]
jurov	quite a shaky assumption	[22:37]
kakobrekla	idk who is assuming that	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	ahh its so great to be back in the irc seat.	[22:37]
jurov	so no assumptions and ask the counterparty directly for proper signature. i see	[22:38]
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kakobrekla	if its signature worthy you ask for signature	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	jurov it's counterintuitive, but the session thing is not actually increasing security.	[22:40]
jurov	i agree, but since it's sop since -otc, needs to be said explicitly	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	yeh. it was and wil be repeated i m sure.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	o hey, pete got a mertz ?	[22:44]
pete_dushenski	yup!	[22:45]
pete_dushenski	5.6L V8	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[22:46]
pete_dushenski	same as that owned by gorbachev and hussein	[22:46]
pete_dushenski	good company, that	[22:46]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i can't comment on whether gorby owns one, but the photo is clearly on a wash, d.c street	[22:46]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i don't think he keeps it here.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:46]
asciilifeform	md plates, too	[22:47]
asciilifeform	(state of maryland)	[22:47]
pete_dushenski	ha	[22:47]
asciilifeform	probably rental.	[22:47]
pete_dushenski	well the story is that he drove one on his first visit to the us	[22:47]
pete_dushenski	fell in love with it	[22:47]
pete_dushenski	and ordered a bullet-proof model, naturally, as soon as he returned to moscow	[22:47]
asciilifeform	iirc that one was auctioned recently ?	[22:48]
asciilifeform	or was that his 'zil'	[22:48]
pete_dushenski	hm i missed said auction	[22:48]
asciilifeform	lol, would have bought it ?	[22:48]
pete_dushenski	for the right price, i'll buy anything.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	for an even righter price i'll also buy anything.	[22:49]
pete_dushenski	you would undercut me, wouldn't you.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	neh, the street bum who bids a penny will undercut.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	all of us.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	(how does this work exactly.)	[22:50]
pete_dushenski	lol it doesn't	[22:50]
asciilifeform	but yes, congrats. vroom.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	does that thing run on ordinary petrol?	[22:50]
pete_dushenski	cheers	[22:50]
pete_dushenski	oh ya, inordinate amounts of it	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/2179295.jpg << lol nothing like a blonde girl with black eyebrows and landing strip.	[22:51]
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pete_dushenski	not sure i would've sprung for it had gas been $1.2/L	[22:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1B9Ne3L )	[22:51]
pete_dushenski	i don't think i'll eke out 400 km of city driving on a 90l tank	[22:51]
pete_dushenski	probably more like 600-700km on the highway	[22:51]
asciilifeform	good car for fellow who doesn't drive.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	tank isn't that big if memory serves, more like 52, and fuel economy is not that bad, more like 7ish	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	so you'd do ~500 km on the 50 liters in the tank	[22:52]
pete_dushenski	i drive about 5000km a year so almost "doesn't drive"	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	*700	[22:52]
pete_dushenski	"23.8-gallon fuel tank"	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html << this person does NOT understand what "turing complete" means.	[22:53]
assbot	Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9NuzL )	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	apparently a sack of 20 different apples is "turing complete" if you provide the turing completeness separately	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	and allocate the apples to machine states or sumthin	[22:54]
asciilifeform	separately ?	[22:54]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu you're probably thinking of the 300 sel, if not one of the diesels	[22:55]
asciilifeform	seems like the question re: the linked article is, can one have the card players compute an arbitrary function (without them knowing) by having them play out a certain position	[22:55]
asciilifeform	seems like it purports to show that - yes	[22:55]
*	asciilifeform has not checked the proof, just saw this turd	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what he does is, "here's a turing machine, and here's how im painting my game on it. "	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski i was thinking of teh diesel.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	this is gas ?!	[22:55]
pete_dushenski	you thought it was a 5.6l diesel?	[22:56]
pete_dushenski	it's not a 3/4 ton pickup	[22:56]
pete_dushenski	lol ya it's gas	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	yeah those had shitty fuel economy.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	back in the 90s the diesels were pretty economical cause diesel was 30% off	[22:57]
pete_dushenski	now diesel is all over the place	[22:58]
pete_dushenski	often 30% more	[22:58]
pete_dushenski	plus, quite underpowered and they never heat up in the winter	[22:58]
pete_dushenski	not enough waste heat	[22:58]
pete_dushenski	though the diesels are known to last 1,000,000 miles	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	hm, nah, it'll heat alright	[22:59]
pete_dushenski	at -30C it'll take a while	[23:00]
pete_dushenski	by which time you're probably already at your destination	[23:01]
pete_dushenski	could take 30 min	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	ah yes, i guess that's a point.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	doesn't get that cold in yurp	[23:01]
pete_dushenski	ya, it's an entirely canadian consideration	[23:02]
pete_dushenski	as is traction in snow, etc.	[23:02]
ben_vulpes	it's not a 3/4 ton pickup << lol	[23:03]
ben_vulpes	nice acquisition, pete_dushenski	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	"Nos numerus sumus et fruges consumere nati."	[23:04]
pete_dushenski	not too shabby eh	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	"we are statistics, born to consume resources."	[23:04]
ben_vulpes	imma put lady v in a mercedes baby wagon here sometime	[23:04]
ben_vulpes	you know	[23:04]
ben_vulpes	the long ones	[23:04]
ben_vulpes	hearses	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	get a volvo while at it	[23:04]
pete_dushenski	glk ? e-something ?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	and weld them top to top	[23:04]
pete_dushenski	i think top gear did that welding game once	[23:04]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes so when's this baby of yours due ? we've been hearing about it since, what, you tried to use it as an excuse to not go to the third conference ?	[23:06]
pete_dushenski	we want to send you toys!	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: i'm going to the third conference, foo	[23:07]
pete_dushenski	well now you are...	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	you see the girl's sister's wedding is important enough to shift babymaking around, but not con3	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	but can't really say yo	[23:08]
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ben_vulpes	letting biology do its thing	[23:08]
pete_dushenski	that's a fun game at least :)	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	myeah	[23:09]
ben_vulpes	HAVE FUN NO PRESSURE NOTHING RIDING ON THE OPERATION	[23:09]
ben_vulpes	getting creative. it's a blast, honestly.	[23:09]
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pete_dushenski	lol probably stressful at times but you have to roll with the punches	[23:10]
pete_dushenski	it's not like lady v is 35yo and it's crazy crunch time	[23:11]
pete_dushenski	might as well enjoy these final months/years of peaceful sleep	[23:11]
pete_dushenski	and dink life	[23:11]
ben_vulpes	dink < meh	[23:16]
ben_vulpes	perhaps you missed the part of the log where i disclosed that lady v is on my personal payroll	[23:17]
pete_dushenski	i guess it depends whether your personal payroll includes personal cheques or just payments in kind ;)	[23:19]
ben_vulpes	personal cheques would defeat the purpose; then i'd have to pay taxes on money i'd already have paid taxes on.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	what's it mean to have a pet on payroll even.	[23:22]
pete_dushenski	employee	[23:23]
pete_dushenski	professional services rendered	[23:24]
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mats	papa vulpes	[23:24]
pete_dushenski	i mean, it's possible	[23:24]
mats	adorbs	[23:24]
pete_dushenski	probably -ev tho	[23:24]
asciilifeform	why does a pet need money.	[23:25]
mats	handbags.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	spambags ?	[23:25]
kakobrekla	to bring in food. at least in my case.	[23:26]
*	asciilifeform almost failed to read 'handbags' because it lodged in his skullcase's spam filter	[23:26]
*	kakobrekla hates going to the store.	[23:26]
*	asciilifeform would have pet fetch food but it would require teaching pet to drive and issuing a vehicle	[23:27]
ben_vulpes	yeah well there you go	[23:27]
ben_vulpes	mine has her own	[23:27]
ben_vulpes	and does the cooking too	[23:27]
asciilifeform	cooking - yes	[23:27]
ben_vulpes	easily delegable all sorts of household tasks	[23:27]
ben_vulpes	girl basically runs the household	[23:29]
ben_vulpes	no reason to not provide adequate expense accounts to ensure everything gets done	[23:29]
ben_vulpes	wait - skullcase?	[23:29]
ben_vulpes	nm.	[23:29]
kakobrekla	here you dont need a car to go to the store.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: srsly, how often does one see word 'handbag' outside of spam.	[23:30]
kakobrekla	actually it would take longer with the car than by foot.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: the only thing one can reliably get to where i live, without a motor, is 'convenience stores' which largely sell recycled food	[23:31]
mats	must be nice living in a first world country	[23:31]
kakobrekla	i live in this valley http://www.slotrips.si/sis-mapa/skupina_doc/slo/objava_datoteke/1327004782_0_cerknisko_jezero4_prikaz_objave_glava.jpg	[23:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/17ZCXxL )	[23:31]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla: woah. colour.	[23:32]
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kakobrekla	kinda near those houses on the left http://www.slotrips.si/sis-mapa/skupina_doc/slo/galerija/1323110606_6622_panorama1a.jpg	[23:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/17ZD7VJ )	[23:33]
kakobrekla	its sorta famous place, lots of pics.	[23:35]
mats	looks idyllic	[23:35]
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kakobrekla	from the top of the hill http://www.burger.si/Cerknica/CerkniskoJezero_Slivnica.JPG	[23:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1xrp5C0 )	[23:38]
kakobrekla	nuff of spamming	[23:38]
kakobrekla	!up felipelalli	[23:43]
*	assbot gives voice to felipelalli	[23:43]
felipelalli	Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review?	[23:44]
kakobrekla	ping mircea_popescu BingoBoingo	[23:45]
felipelalli	ok! Thank you kakobrekla	[23:46]
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kakobrekla	actually i was pinging them for their attention for you	[23:46]
kakobrekla	just sit down and wait till someone appropriate comes around	[23:46]
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felipelalli	thank you! Let me ask another thing: wouldn't nice if this page (default 404): http://qntra.net/anything/ (where anything can be anything) was linked somewhere? Like "Search" or "Category" (without the message "Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?")? This page is very useful because it shows the categories and the search. I couldn't find a link to search/category page.	[23:53]
assbot	Page not found \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZEKCL )	[23:53]
kakobrekla	i think cazalla edits the wp	[23:54]
mike_c	why do you want to write in portuguese?	[23:55]
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mike_c	i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up.	[23:55]
mats	i imagine its his native tongur	[23:56]
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mats	tongue* blasted touchscreen	[23:56]
mike_c	reasoning is along the lines of, "the only people you are reaching is the people in italy who haven't bothered to learn english"	[23:56]
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mats	the net must be a boring place for people who can't read the big three	[23:58]
kakobrekla	you mean js css and html ?	[23:59]
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