Forum logs for 18 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: 'terrorism' article: where would you place osman empire on the 'law/terror' map? [00:02]
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cazalla rate Rozal -3 threatened to rate me -10 because he doesn't understand how the WoT actually works, see for conversation, offered to then pay me to remove the -1 earning him a -3 [00:29]
assbot h hi i hate people who abuse the rating system [00:29]
cazalla ah, clearly i gots to learn the new assbot rules, been a little busy [00:30]
kakobrekla put ! in front [00:30]
cazalla oh, that's right :) all good, did it in pm now [00:30]
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asciilifeform << arguably the first genuinely interesting snowdenism. with actual crapware samples, protocol docs. [00:35]
assbot New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for Cyber Battle - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( ) [00:35]
asciilifeform and a few lists of pwned hardware. [00:35]
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decimation asciilifeform: one wonders how much of this kind of thing he has left in 'reserve' [00:47]
PeterL and is it just going to get juicier as time goes on? [00:47]
decimation actually the 'bios erasure' thing calls to mind this news story back in 2013 [00:48]
decimation [00:48]
assbot NSA alleges 'BIOS plot to destroy PCs' • The Register ... ( ) [00:48]
asciilifeform erasure's a snore. [00:48]
asciilifeform any idiot can erase. [00:49]
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decimation asciilifeform: right, but it is amusing to look at the sudden panic over 'evil foreign erasure virus' when that's exactly what they have been working on (apparently) [00:51]
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decimation < "The President acknowledged concerns that encryption technology may make intelligence-gathering efforts more difficult, saying, "If we get into a situation which the technologies do not allow us at all to track somebody we're confident is a terrorist … and despite knowing that information, despite having a phone number or a social-media address [01:04]
decimation or email address, that we can't penetrate that, that's a problem."" [01:04]
assbot Prez Obama snubs UK PM's tough anti-encryption crusade at White House meet • The Register ... ( ) [01:04]
asciilifeform also expect to read volumes in the next few weeks in crapmedia re: the 'openssh backdoor' [01:11]
asciilifeform (which is actually a pedestrian doctored build) [01:11]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite lawful. [01:31]
mircea_popescu it prevented the middle east issues for well over 5 centuries. [01:31]
mircea_popescu thus accomplishing more than western europe + north america, by a damned sight. [01:32]
asciilifeform wai wat [01:32]
mircea_popescu yeah. [01:32]
mircea_popescu whenever people like taleb think of peace in their homeland, [01:32]
mircea_popescu they're really thinking of something that was utopia pre and probably post osmanli. [01:33]
asciilifeform aha that [01:33]
asciilifeform forgot, for a min, what the original question was [01:33]
asciilifeform a little mindfuck. [01:33]
mircea_popescu osmanlı [01:33]
asciilifeform (bios diddlers kept the piece in mid. east...) [01:33]
mircea_popescu lol [01:33]
asciilifeform *peace [01:33]
mircea_popescu piece even better [01:33]
* asciilifeform has been at the console for too long, he thought [01:33]
* asciilifeform spend ~2h today haggling with a door-to-door flunkie from his isp, which recently hauled in extra fiber & is trying to upsell folks [01:34]
mircea_popescu so how much did you make haggling ? [01:35]
asciilifeform zip. sc4mz0rz. [01:36]
* undata is in progress haggling a new computer out of lenovo [01:36]
asciilifeform all the 'gr34t n3w d34lzz' were for buyers of tv & phone service. [01:36]
mircea_popescu cazalla you aware that pastie ends in sex ? [01:36]
decimation asciilifeform: verizon 'fios'? [01:36]
asciilifeform decimation: aha. the very same [01:36]
undata asciilifeform: I'd not mind if you hurried up making a computer that works for me :D [01:36]
asciilifeform ubiquitous on u.s. east coast [01:36]
decimation did you ask him who had to pay for the backup UPS [01:36]
asciilifeform which ups [01:36]
asciilifeform there's two, theirs & yours [01:37]
cazalla mircea_popescu, anything that's good, does [01:37]
decimation my understanding is that verzion 'gives' you an ups that you must maintain [01:37]
asciilifeform decimation: the customer-ended one comes with the box [01:37]
asciilifeform aha [01:37]
decimation right, but who replaces the inevitable dead battery? [01:37]
asciilifeform the subscriber [01:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.0004784 = 27.6276 BTC [+] {2} [01:37]
decimation in the past, with copper, this was the phone company's responsibility [01:37]
asciilifeform when i got the building there wasn't even a battery. [01:37]
asciilifeform decimation: aha because there was no battery on subscriber premises in the copper era. unless he owned one. [01:38]
decimation precisely [01:38]
asciilifeform for what it's worth, i have the damned thing plugged into a monster 'liebert' doubleconverter along with the rest of the orchestra. [01:38]
mircea_popescu uh i never had this ? wut are you talking about ?! [01:38]
decimation I've heard that once verzion runs fiber to your premises, they typically take the time to rip out the old copper wire [01:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: large telco where i live. [01:38]
mircea_popescu ok but what battery ? [01:39]
decimation because they don't want to be held to 'common carrier' standards of common access and maintenance [01:39]
asciilifeform decimation: aha. there was a rat's nest of mangled copper when i got to it. [01:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the particular telco's optical terminal chest comes with a battery. and lusers whine interminably that 'why do i have to replace this battery every year, i w4ntz fr3333 stuff' [01:39]
mircea_popescu cazalla eh, i'd say let the noob be. [01:39]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is weird. in romania they keep the end battery on the pole next to you [01:40]
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mircea_popescu it doesn't have to be ON THE EXACT END [01:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here the pole also has a battery, for the telco routers. but the house optical chest has another. this is actually on account of an ancient law that proclaims that voice telephony must work during mains outages [01:41]
mircea_popescu and it's still illegal to fuck with the copper in yurp. [01:41]
decimation in the past, the copper wires were 'powered' by the telephone company in its central office [01:41]
mircea_popescu uh... voice over fiber ?! [01:41]
asciilifeform aha. for chumps. [01:41]
mircea_popescu lmao ok [01:41]
cazalla mircea_popescu, so i should just be more accepting of this idiocy? [01:41]
assbot h hi i hate people who abuse the rating system [01:41]
asciilifeform well, for folks who still want land line [01:41]
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asciilifeform once you switch to the opticals here, they - as decimation pointed out in this and the last 3 threads on the subject - tear out your copper. [01:42]
mircea_popescu cazalla i skimmed it. dude's begging you and errything. he's nobody i heard of, prolly some noob. [01:42]
mircea_popescu imo not wrth the bullets. [01:42]
cazalla but he has so many ratings from otc from all his $5 buys! [01:42]
decimation not for any technical reason, but because of the assorted pile of usg policy & requirements that apply to 'common carrier' services like telephone [01:42]
mircea_popescu let ppls live [01:42]
cazalla anyway, he came looking for me, not me him, just as easy to neg rate him and move on with it [01:43]
mircea_popescu decimation imo destroying the copper infrastructure is even dumber than destroying the family infrastructure. [01:43]
mircea_popescu transvestites aren't worth it. [01:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on account of how it was built, it is tremendously expensive to maintain. [01:43]
* asciilifeform digs for thread [01:43]
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mircea_popescu uh. [01:44]
mircea_popescu maintain copper ?! [01:44]
mircea_popescu which alternative universe is this! [01:44]
asciilifeform and below [01:44]
assbot Logged on 02-05-2014 21:22:05; asciilifeform: copper is expensive - not merely the metal, but maintenance - keeping water out of the cable ducts, etc. the telcos would hurry to be rid of it even the removal did not speed the arrival of arsenet. [01:44]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure most landline infrastructure in eastern europe has never been maintained in any sense since at least 1985 [01:44]
mircea_popescu think ny waterworks. [01:45]
asciilifeform funnily enough, ny land lines perished in a massive flood a few yrs ago. [01:46]
asciilifeform mostly replaced with monopoly fiber. [01:46]
mircea_popescu was that the one when they drenched the vaults ? lost ~10 trn worth of old paper ? [01:46]
asciilifeform the same. [01:47]
decimation re: family infrastructure: [01:47]
assbot Less than half of U.S. kids today live in a ‘traditional’ family | Pew Research Center ... ( ) [01:47]
decimation asciilifeform: actually I thought there were areas where they 'gave up' and decided not to rebuild any phone system [01:48]
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asciilifeform decimation: if this is so, it is contrary to the ancient laws. [01:48]
mircea_popescu decimation i doubt they would meet my definition. things like "every boy under 16 must have 4 acres of forested hillside and a dog" [01:48]
asciilifeform in usa, telco is mandatory. [01:48]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc it's one of those where existence is mandatory but no-one's responsibility. so... [01:48]
asciilifeform point is, most of the remaining copper could vanish overnight, and not one in ten people will notice. [01:49]
asciilifeform everyone is using mobiles. [01:49]
decimation [01:49]
assbot Disaster, meet opportunity: Verizon's plan to push wireless on copper landline customers | The Verge ... ( ) [01:49]
mircea_popescu heh. [01:50]
asciilifeform it so happens that in usa, a landline phone is a spam magnet. [01:50]
decimation asciilifeform: there are at least two main reasons for this: 1.) it is illegal to 'telemarket' to mobile phones and 2.) landlines are billed at outrageous rates [01:50]
mircea_popescu "opportunity". anyone here seen les trotillards ? [01:50]
asciilifeform whereas a wireless handset, most of the time, is not [01:50]
mircea_popescu 1950s film. [01:50]
* asciilifeform does not keep a landline [01:50]
* decimation had a landline for years, became enraged that a $2 per month service became $40 after taxes & fees [01:51]
mircea_popescu "famine is a disaster that opens the door to opportunity : you can swallow knots!" [01:51]
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mircea_popescu [01:53]
assbot ... ( ) [01:53]
asciilifeform << the document concerning specific doctored firmware [01:54]
assbot ... ( ) [01:54]
decimation me wonders if lizzard hitler's purpose with these releases is simply to distribute digital contraband for later reckoning [01:55]
asciilifeform << data exfiltration protocol implementation guide [01:55]
asciilifeform ^ nazi ssl [01:55]
assbot ... ( ) [01:55]
asciilifeform the rest can be safely skipped, mostly snore. [01:56]
mircea_popescu exfiltration protocol / [01:56]
mircea_popescu who the fuck woud be stupid enough to use a protocol for this job ?! [01:56]
mircea_popescu "virus protocol" [01:56]
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asciilifeform what's funny. any good crapware artist has 'protocol' - as in, what order to put the bits in over the wire [01:57]
mircea_popescu yes. his. [01:57]
mircea_popescu he's not using yours. [01:57]
asciilifeform these folks have their own [01:57]
mircea_popescu that's actually the difference between artist and script kiddie. [01:57]
mircea_popescu yes, these folks are script kiddies. [01:57]
mircea_popescu that's basically the long and the short of it. nsa = national scriptkiddie association. a glorified derp club. [01:58]
asciilifeform actually reminds me more of microshit [01:58]
asciilifeform very similar flavour of product [01:58]
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kakobrekla skriptkiddies in your gpg sigs messing with your keyid. [01:58]
decimation asciilifeform: what about the meta-nsa part? [01:58]
mircea_popescu davout: Apocalyptic: RFC 5.2.2 sez a signature packet contains "Eight-octet Key ID of signer" << seriously in shock/denial about this. [01:59]
mircea_popescu who the fucking fuck was dumb enough! [01:59]
mircea_popescu "oh we got fingerprints let's not use them" [01:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00047677 = 2.7176 BTC [-] [02:00]
PeterL might as well put their initials instead of signing their name [02:00]
mircea_popescu you know ? [02:00]
decimation << annual silly-con valley vc funding is less than a single whatsapp [02:00]
assbot Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register ... ( ) [02:00]
mircea_popescu in a fucking rfc ? /me rants and raves [02:00]
mircea_popescu decimation yes but a single watsapp "could buy all of russia". [02:01]
PeterL let me sign this important legal documet: "X" [02:01]
mircea_popescu PeterL no, that's not right. [02:01]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 2**24 [02:01]
gribble 16777216 [02:01]
mircea_popescu there's 16mn people that could all be the same keyid. [02:02]
PeterL yeah, I know it is not quite the same thing [02:02]
mircea_popescu so initials moar like it [02:02]
mircea_popescu i guess most initial combos have about 10ish mn possible representatives. [02:02]
mircea_popescu on the grounds that [02:02]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 7.5*10**9 / 27 / 27 [02:03]
gribble 10288065.8436 [02:03]
asciilifeform << for pdf haters [02:04]
assbot ... ( ) [02:04]
asciilifeform (yes, it was a scan) [02:04]
mircea_popescu top secret from wikiinfo ? [02:04]
asciilifeform from spiegel [02:05]
asciilifeform late last night. [02:05]
asciilifeform if it's a fake, it's a very stylish fake. [02:06]
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mircea_popescu "good hearing for some work" heh. [02:06]
asciilifeform having worked on own versions of many of the gadgets described, i will attest that there is nothing outlandish about any of them. [02:06]
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mircea_popescu srsly ? they SRSLY use sound spectroscopy ? [02:07]
asciilifeform why the hell not ? [02:07]
mircea_popescu i dunno. because it's not 1915 ? [02:07]
asciilifeform !s acoustic cryptanalysis [02:08]
assbot 0 results for 'acoustic cryptanalysis' : [02:08]
asciilifeform [02:08]
mircea_popescu heh. [02:08]
asciilifeform you know, that one. [02:08]
asciilifeform we chewed on it here, i'm quite certain. [02:08]
asciilifeform !s inductors [02:08]
assbot 14 results for 'inductors' : [02:08]
asciilifeform there we go. [02:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform definitely stylish. enhancment ? [02:09]
asciilifeform enhancement ? [02:09]
decimation one wonders how much of that list is simply parlor tricks vs. 'fired in anger' [02:10]
asciilifeform decimation: it's an office agenda. not an advertisement. [02:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform typo included. [02:10]
asciilifeform unless, of course, it is an advertisement. [02:10]
mircea_popescu "berserkr" does not support wireless cards ? [02:10]
decimation the implication of your statement being that the office even has a coherent agenda [02:11]
mircea_popescu anyway. unimpressive. [02:12]
asciilifeform this is the first document where i'm nearly convince that it isn't a hangout. [02:12]
mircea_popescu if authentic this is rather humiliatory. [02:12]
decimation what do you expect? frickin' lasers? [02:13]
mircea_popescu dude, they're selling themselves as something more than "zack & miri make an agency" [02:13]
asciilifeform remember, this isn't from the cracking-pgp division [02:13]
PeterL sharks, with frickin lazer beams attached to their heads [02:14]
asciilifeform but from the pc-diddler brigade. [02:14]
mircea_popescu and they are teh premier unemployable math grad student cemetery. [02:14]
asciilifeform nothing has leaked from that maths grad cemetery. [02:14]
asciilifeform afaik. [02:14]
asciilifeform not one napkin sketch. [02:14]
decimation asciilifeform: wonder why? [02:14]
mircea_popescu cause it was all writen in malbolge [02:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00047436 = 23.5757 BTC [-] {3} [02:14]
asciilifeform it is very easy to keep a secret which 100 people alive can appreciate the significance of. [02:15]
asciilifeform how many would recognize an 'rsa pill' if saw. [02:15]
mircea_popescu depends. would it be called DERPYCASTLE ? [02:16]
asciilifeform SORESTARFISH [02:16]
mircea_popescu NIBBLEBASKET ? [02:16]
mircea_popescu OFFICECHAIR [02:16]
decimation JERKCIRCLE [02:16]
mircea_popescu ANGRYPEANUT [02:16]
mircea_popescu leveraging MYBOSSISDUMB and HISWIFESASLUT [02:17]
decimation asciilifeform: of course, said 'pill' couldn't have been 'fired in anger' either? don't need higher math to understand the implications [02:18]
mircea_popescu decimation i think he had in mind something like [02:18]
assbot Animaniacs - The ACME Song - YouTube ... ( ) [02:18]
asciilifeform not without seven oceans' worth of parallelconstructiony-plausibledeniability [02:18]
asciilifeform etc [02:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00047689 = 13.3052 BTC [+] {2} [02:21]
mircea_popescu lol [02:21]
Adlai congratulations on replacing the WoT's centralized point of failure with another centralized point of failure! [02:22]
mircea_popescu Adlai no they're supposed to work in tandem., [02:22]
Adlai dunno, i authed with gribble as usual, then messaged assbot !up, and had to auth with him as well [02:22]
Adlai (this is why my joke came three minutes late) [02:23]
mircea_popescu Adlai that's the idea. looky here : gribble/wot was created a few years ago,. when btc was worth nothing and nobody bothered distinguishing between taaki and gavin. [02:23]
mircea_popescu then bitcoin became more valuable than all of san francisco combined [02:23]
mircea_popescu nanotube's idea was to re-create the wot as a p2p thing of sorts, and he's been working at it for a while, but hey. it's hard. [02:23]
mircea_popescu my idea was to simply network a bunch of centralised gribbles. [02:24]
mircea_popescu it seems to be winning out. [02:24]
Adlai won't gossipd mitigate this to some extent? [02:24]
cazalla !up felipelalli [02:24]
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mircea_popescu "this" ? [02:24]
Adlai using a wot to reduce spam/noise [02:25]
mircea_popescu well, once completed gossipd actually is a fully decentralized wot keeper, sure. [02:25]
Adlai maybe you should've called it cssipd [02:26]
mircea_popescu lol whay ? [02:26]
Adlai it's subtle but you'll get it eventually :) [02:26]
* asciilifeform got immediately [02:26]
mircea_popescu ;/ [02:26]
* mircea_popescu feels all left out [02:27]
felipelalli for me is the more serious and reliable source of information about bitcoin nowdays, there is something similar? [02:27]
mircea_popescu felipelalli nope, it's centralised :) [02:27]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: thank you! :) [02:27]
Adlai [02:27]
assbot Logged on 16-01-2015 23:35:28; mircea_popescu: that pretty much means c - only you realise ? [02:27]
mircea_popescu nope [02:28]
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Adlai go-ssipd [02:28]
mircea_popescu oh [02:28]
mircea_popescu lolk [02:28]
mircea_popescu i wasn't probably ever cing to get it. [02:28]
Adlai don't rum and logs [02:28]
Adlai :D [02:29]
Adlai btcmiami is a disappointment, we were robbed of our chance to hear the great garza speak [02:30]
* Adlai consoled himself by asking the nice salespeople at the paybase booth whether he could point his mining hardware at zenpool [02:30]
mircea_popescu what's gavin dressed up as this time ? perianne boring ? [02:30]
Adlai he's not here [02:31]
mircea_popescu oh so he came dressed as a bfl miner ? [02:31]
Adlai hey now, bfl miners exist, i have one as a doorstop since it doesn't work anymore [02:31]
mircea_popescu solid. [02:32]
Adlai well the conf did yield one good thing, a new idiom: "bullshit bingo" [02:33]
decimation Adlai: had you ever been to miami before? how did it strike you? [02:34]
mircea_popescu lol keeping up is hard work! [02:35]
Adlai hanbot: s/go/c/pls [02:35]
Adlai and they should be able to get it, the context is right there [02:35]
asciilifeform hanbot: now you know how maths students feel [02:35]
Adlai decimation: first time here. this may be the most touristy place i've ever visited [02:35]
decimation first time I went there it struck me as a shithole [02:35]
mircea_popescu coming from someone who lives in israel... that's pretty damning. [02:35]
decimation except for the tiny skin of civilization near the water, the city is a giant slum [02:36]
mircea_popescu whole country is essentially a "we were too cheap to actulaly build the disneyland but we're selling tickets to it anyway" [02:36]
Adlai not just israel, tel aviv. so SoBe be worse. [02:36]
mircea_popescu Adlai btw saw a sight today in ba jewish quarter. guy with proper astrakhan hat, plus two kids in full costume. [02:37]
mircea_popescu you know the ones where wearer looks like he's put a cake on his head ? [02:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14747 @ 0.00046904 = 6.9169 BTC [-] [02:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the ru sheepskin hat ? [02:38]
mircea_popescu << teh shtreimel [02:38]
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asciilifeform lol, ru hat that took a disintegrator blast to the top. [02:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc my history, the thing was actually invented by volga tatars [02:41]
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asciilifeform woah, according to pediwik, hat sells for 1-5k usd. [02:45]
mircea_popescu depends. a proper fur one is more like 5-10k [02:45]
decimation look out for dengue fever in miami [02:45]
assbot 3 New Cases Of Dengue Fever In Miami-Dade « CBS Miami ... ( ) [02:45]
asciilifeform serious hat. [02:45]
Adlai in the (badly remembered, can't be bothered to watch all his youtube videos to find the exact) words of the great Pat Condell: "they'd rather the world returned to the stone age, aside from a brief excursion into seventeenth century poland for some clothes" [02:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a proper russian hat is about there also. sable or w/e. [02:45]
mircea_popescu course plenty of rabbit, nutria etc. [02:45]
* asciilifeform has never worn or so much as touched a hat made from a rarer animal than rabbit [02:46]
mircea_popescu wow. [02:46]
mircea_popescu how about a woman dressed thus ? [02:46]
Adlai orthodox jewish women don't get to wear the fancy stuff [02:46]
mircea_popescu well orthodox jewish women are also fat. [02:47]
Adlai they have to cover up, although not as much as the cousins [02:47]
asciilifeform iirc, those wear... wigs ? [02:47]
Adlai they have these hideous hair covering things [02:47]
mircea_popescu anyway, this is to be tried. deck the nude chicks in fox, sable, hermeline, etc. wear blindfold. have fun. [02:47]
mircea_popescu expensive fur is expensive for very good reasons that can't really be grasped fully untill you rub your cock on it. [02:48]
Adlai !b 2 [02:48]
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Adlai we'll leave the zoophilic overtones as an exercise to the astute log-reader [02:48]
* asciilifeform wonders if 'furries' go in for rare furs [02:49]
mircea_popescu today we learn hermeline is actually stoats in english. [02:49]
mircea_popescu dumb name [02:49]
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asciilifeform l0l! [02:50]
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asciilifeform 'i could celebrate -christmas- through that hole!' [02:51]
decimation hehe [02:52]
mircea_popescu bitch's a total antisemite. [02:53]
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aabtc brutal market lately [02:55]
* aabtc any opinions on this? [02:55]
assbot IBM Reveals Proof of Concept for Blockchain-Powered Internet of Things ... ( ) [02:55]
asciilifeform 'those concerns “are being addressed” as Ethereum moves toward its planned launch sometime this year.' [02:56]
mircea_popescu a) ibm is a real estate agency ; b) proof of concept = vaporware ; c) buzzword-buzzword-something-buzzword. [02:56]
Adlai also, coindesk publish press releases as articles in return for money [02:56]
asciilifeform do we really need to read past 'ethereum' ? [02:56]
Adlai (not that most other "news" sites, on all topics, don't do this) [02:56]
mircea_popescu Adlai the worse part being that they're innocent enough to not know that's a dumb business model. [02:57]
mircea_popescu davout: "Implementations SHOULD NOT assume that Key IDs are unique", so let's just include that in the signature packet. derp << no, seriously. [02:58]
mircea_popescu such braindamage. [02:58]
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Adlai seems to be working well for them so far, guy at the conference said that coindesk is a reliable news source so it must be [02:58]
Adlai ("i use coindesk and zeroblock. the forums and reddit are good for laughs, but have lots of trolls and altcoins") [02:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: original pgp was not an apparatus for one-off deals with strangers, but something to use between friends, as i understand. << what you say is accurate, but doesn't excuse. suppose i knock up a girl, and the blastule in her folds goes "hey, daddy's cock was crooked, so let's make the baby's cunt crooked too. nothing like baking in random assumptionbs for no good reason!" [02:59]
asciilifeform how could it excuse. [02:59]
asciilifeform was trying to explain the history. [03:00]
mircea_popescu Adlai guy at some other conference said ginzu knife. [03:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeh. im angry. [03:00]
asciilifeform bonsai attack. [03:00]
asciilifeform banzai tree. [03:00]
Adlai original btc was an experiment, doesn't excuse treating it as "just an experiment" nowadays [03:00]
* asciilifeform blows dust of personal collection of english illiteracies [03:00]
asciilifeform *off [03:00]
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mircea_popescu davout: that doesn't make much sense to me, how would a maliciously crafted pubkey even verify the signature? << [03:05]
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mircea_popescu Adlai now it's a thousand different experiments. [03:08]
mircea_popescu undata: because terrorists can't find an old copy of gpg? << gun laws aren't predicated on the theory that criminals can't find a gun. [03:09]
mircea_popescu they're predicated on the theory that ustardian faggots really enjoy the feeling of a stretched rectum, and politicians are essentially whores : in the business of pleasing the customer with the least possible effort. [03:10]
Adlai another quote from miami: "bitcoin is the only technology with a price feed". me: "bullshit, bitcoin has no price feed, although each person in this room has their own slightly differing one" [03:10]
* asciilifeform recalls reading an article long ago re: how crypto actually enjoyed greater legal protection in usa back when it was classified as a weapon of war [03:11]
mircea_popescu "decentralize dprice feed, even better" [03:11]
undata mircea_popescu: the unending theatre can be maddening [03:11]
mircea_popescu "yes but apple actually has a price feed" [03:11]
mircea_popescu "apple is not a technology, apple is a vision" [03:11]
mircea_popescu "your mother is a whore" [03:11]
Adlai (this was in a comparison of bitcoin to tcp/ip or smtp... "you can't short SMTP when your inbox takes forever to load" [03:11]
mircea_popescu Adlai check it out, i can do the conference solo! [03:11]
mircea_popescu people this stupid should really be put to some sort of use. [03:12]
mircea_popescu maybe send them as teachers to china ? [03:12]
Adlai [03:12]
assbot Ken Shirriff's blog: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day ... ( ) [03:12]
kakobrekla re conference , im disappointed to find out chief scammer did not show up [03:12]
mircea_popescu check it out asciilifeform , one step closer to slavecoin [03:12]
Adlai he showed up [03:12]
mircea_popescu did you just map a keid you two ? [03:13]
Adlai just didn't have a presentation [03:13]
Adlai he's here along with lady and the goons [03:13]
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kakobrekla ah [03:13]
mircea_popescu Adlai wait, garza dood has a woman in tow ? pics ? [03:13]
Adlai at first i was so glad, "ah, some diversity in the conference patrons!" [03:13]
Adlai and then i recognized his hairdo [03:14]
Adlai and realized the roles of his entourage [03:14]
Adlai phone died, no pics. maybe tomorrow. [03:14]
mircea_popescu well, be a perez hilton. [03:15]
mircea_popescu how tall is she ? cup size ? natural ? cheap dress ? tall enough heels ? can she walk on em ? [03:15]
Adlai i'm pretty sure there are pics of his family on reddit, probably posted by some angsty idiot after realizing he'd never get his hashpoints back [03:15]
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mircea_popescu ? [03:16]
assbot Jeff Garza : Worship Minister, 1st Baptist of Worland, Wyoming: My Swimmer Wife! ... ( ) [03:16]
mircea_popescu "I am so proud of my wife Sandra! She is such a hard working women!" [03:16]
mircea_popescu plural! [03:16]
Adlai hmmmmmmmm that sandra does not look like the lady i saw with him [03:17]
Adlai but money does wonderful things, like surgery for the lady AND the mistress! [03:17]
kakobrekla wtf is that page real world ? [03:17]
Adlai no its internet [03:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you don't understand how the baptist worlkd works! [03:18]
kakobrekla the more i know the less i understand [03:18]
mircea_popescu ? [03:18]
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Adlai wait [03:19]
Adlai genius at work is not "jeff garza", unless he's another one of these namechanging shapeshifters [03:19]
Adlai but if you're gonna pick a new scammername, why take "josh"? that one is already taken... [03:20]
mircea_popescu heh [03:21]
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mircea_popescu in other news, [03:27]
assbot ... ( ) [03:27]
mircea_popescu it was a pleasant spring day in argentina. [03:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reminds me of the anthill scene in baldaev. [03:27]
mircea_popescu a little water ? [03:27]
mircea_popescu it's good for her. [03:28]
asciilifeform lol [03:28]
asciilifeform << wtf was this about [03:28]
assbot How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [03:28]
asciilifeform 'different perceptions of gender' ? [03:28]
mircea_popescu clearly. [03:28]
asciilifeform where found, in insane asylum ? [03:28]
mircea_popescu [03:29]
assbot Hi! I just turned 18 in February and am really excited to be getting to try new things ^_^ I'm ... ( ) [03:29]
mircea_popescu i give you even money she's contributing to open source projects, doing his/their substitutions. [03:29]
asciilifeform lol, us gurl with this haircut, even i could have guessed [03:30]
asciilifeform it's almost required. [03:30]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, i'm kinda waiting for the moment when broken code is defended as "different perceptions of software". why should it fixed ? it's not a bug, it's a rights issue! [03:30]
asciilifeform no need to wait! [03:30]
asciilifeform poettering et. al [03:30]
asciilifeform didn't somebody link to a post of this very same argument, written by a blind man (yes) in that gang ? [03:31]
asciilifeform and, [03:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the misshapen face seems more concerning. haircut easy to fix, buzzcut still required for moloday a [03:32]
asciilifeform if only these folks stuck to diddling comments [03:32]
asciilifeform easy to fix, sure, but when acquired voluntarily it is usually a flag of affiliation [03:33]
mircea_popescu teenager's affiliation is worth about the same governmental promises are worth. [03:33]
asciilifeform of the 'i hate boys' variety [03:33]
mircea_popescu about as fun to fuck out of them, too. [03:33]
asciilifeform work for specialist. [03:34]
mircea_popescu kinda funny as to what counts to insults these days. [03:37]
mircea_popescu a new cocktail: taint. [03:45]
assbot ... ( ) [03:45]
mircea_popescu shaken, not stirred. [03:45]
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assbot Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [04:42]
mircea_popescu lol complicate [04:42]
mircea_popescu d [04:42]
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pete_dushenski ha well these neoreactionist kids are pretty darn confused so it'd be a fair reflection of that [04:51]
mircea_popescu wait neoreactionist ? which one is that ? [04:51]
pete_dushenski they're sorta like libertarianists [04:53]
pete_dushenski they don't much care for progressives or equality [04:53]
mircea_popescu anything positive ? [04:53]
pete_dushenski and they dislike democracy and like heirarchy [04:53]
mircea_popescu so like us only different ? [04:54]
pete_dushenski like us with no interest or understanding in the workings of power, economics, or politics [04:56]
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pete_dushenski like us but americanly utopian [04:56]
pete_dushenski "neoreaction is a specific discovery of the arrow of time, within the field of political philosophy. It learns, and then teaches, that the way to get out cannot be the way we got in." [04:56]
mircea_popescu uh [04:56]
pete_dushenski ^more tawky, less do-ey [04:56]
pete_dushenski basically, they don't work from causes too well [04:57]
mircea_popescu well the quote salad certainly doesn't seem to mean anything [04:57]
pete_dushenski i spent a bit of time trying to grok them since they came across my desk this week and it's really quite challenging to find much positive in their thinking [04:58]
pete_dushenski but some of them seem to enjoy contravex so there's that [04:59]
ben_vulpes evening, pete_dushenski [04:59]
mircea_popescu well, by now more brands than people, so... not to worry. [05:00]
pete_dushenski howdy ben_vulpes [05:00]
ben_vulpes ca va? [05:00]
ben_vulpes how's biz? [05:00]
pete_dushenski bien sur :) [05:00]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu the number of brands these kids have is... shocking [05:01]
pete_dushenski apparently there's even something called neocameralism [05:01]
pete_dushenski which ended up on moldbug's lap [05:01]
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mircea_popescu derived from that popular book on "cameral mind" ? [05:01]
pete_dushenski so i was recapping your old pieces on the matter [05:01]
mircea_popescu or parliamentary procedure this or the toher [05:02]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: have you read jaynes' original? [05:02]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes biz is going well. would be better with van ads ;) [05:02]
ben_vulpes haw, ain't no money in advertisements. [05:02]
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ben_vulpes silly-con valley chumpatron con ojos [05:03]
ben_vulpes biz biz tho - how is it? buy any bonds? [05:03]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu good freaking question! maybe this ? [05:04]
assbot Unqualified Reservations: Neocameralism and the escalator of massarchy ... ( ) [05:04]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes nah, not really into that fiat thing, was really more just curious how easy/hard it'd be, [05:04]
pete_dushenski was hunting for an etf or fund, came up blank [05:04]
mircea_popescu massarchy ? [05:05]
ben_vulpes just out of curiosity, how do you procure bezzlebuxx? [05:05]
pete_dushenski massive monarchy! [05:05]
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pete_dushenski massage anarchy! [05:05]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes the bare minimum [05:06]
pete_dushenski rounding corners and squeezing opportunities, to be as vague as humanly possible [05:07]
pete_dushenski i don't have a single stream, but many [05:07]
ben_vulpes classic joo :P [05:08]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes my guess is either he's running a high end brothel out of the preppy sluts he grew up with, or else he's living off teh fambly fortune. [05:08]
ben_vulpes my bet is that the cars blog poops out the odd benjamine [05:09]
ben_vulpes (that's what they call it in french canada, right?) [05:09]
mircea_popescu cars blog ?! [05:09]
pete_dushenski poop? [05:09]
pete_dushenski ya, we use that [05:09]
ben_vulpes !b 5 [05:10]
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pete_dushenski car blog has actually been retired! [05:10]
ben_vulpes no wai [05:10]
ben_vulpes you'll offend mircea_popescu's linkrot sensibilities [05:10]
pete_dushenski for cereal [05:10]
pete_dushenski uh well... i can bring it back? [05:11]
mircea_popescu ;;google pete dushenski car blog [05:11]
gribble The Wallet Inspector's Promise | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: ; Why It's Over For Litecoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: ; Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: [05:11]
mircea_popescu never happened. [05:11]
ben_vulpes naw, your intel's rotten. [05:11]
pete_dushenski if your intel is google [05:11]
mircea_popescu lalala i cnat hear you [05:11]
ben_vulpes or spell either [05:12]
pete_dushenski the car blog paid more in experiences anyways [05:13]
ben_vulpes [] << nice freckles [05:13]
assbot ... ( ) [05:13]
pete_dushenski it was always a hobby [05:13]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yeah she's a cutie. [05:13]
pete_dushenski fly here, drive that, etc. [05:13]
mircea_popescu incidentally. in romanian cutie = box. [05:13]
ben_vulpes till you got kicked off the circuit lol [05:14]
pete_dushenski plus, i sorta got myself banned from a few press fleets after failing to tow the party line.. [05:14]
pete_dushenski lol right [05:14]
ben_vulpes mhm. [05:14]
ben_vulpes but hey "tow the party line" at least you got a decent pun out of it [05:15]
pete_dushenski and now, who's gonna give contravex anything? [05:15]
pete_dushenski mebbe yellen gives me a foot rub ? [05:15]
ben_vulpes at least you're not stooping so far as to toe the clutch [05:15]
mircea_popescu lmao [05:15]
pete_dushenski towing is big here: truck country [05:16]
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pete_dushenski i tell you it kills at the local comedy club! [05:16]
ben_vulpes [] << annual silly-con valley vc funding is less than a single whatsapp [05:16]
ben_vulpes [] Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register ... ( ) << task for eager student: calculate ROI for each VC firm based on known investments and exits [05:16]
assbot Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register ... ( ) [05:16]
assbot ... ( ) [05:16]
pete_dushenski deja vu ? [05:16]
ben_vulpes easymoad: just use crunchbase, propose a decent discount factor [05:17]
pete_dushenski o nm [05:17]
pete_dushenski i confuse! [05:17]
pete_dushenski but we're neoreactionaries! we never exit! [05:17]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes better task : a dead pool / fucked company blog & stuff [05:18]
ben_vulpes "exit" acquisition/IPO value [05:18]
pete_dushenski "Neoreactionary socio-political solutions are ultimately Exit-based. In every case, exit is to be defended against voice. No society or social institution which permits free exit is open to any further politically efficient criticism, except that which systematic exit selection itself applies. Given the absence of tyranny (i.e. free exit), all forms of protest and rebellion are to be [05:18]
pete_dushenski considered leftist perversions, without entitlement to social protection of any kind." << i can't make this shit up [05:18]
ben_vulpes a new fucked company presumes someone who can "write" scathing..."blog posts" [05:18]
ben_vulpes qntra's the great white hopi afaict [05:18]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes jus' sayin for the log reader. [05:20]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski that is actually a valid point. certainly what i've been doing / saying. [05:20]
pete_dushenski hmm [05:21]
mircea_popescu take a simple example. "dude, get out of the us." "no, i'm going to write my senator." [05:22]
punkman ben_vulpes: [05:23]
pete_dushenski lol right [05:23]
assbot Seed-DB | List of Seed Accelerator Programs ... ( ) [05:23]
ben_vulpes [] not without seven oceans' worth of parallelconstructiony-plausibledeniability << what was that apocryphal "nazi" dropped out of the plain with "papers" again? [05:23]
ben_vulpes punkman: make it stahp [05:23]
ben_vulpes okay jokesrs time [05:23]
ben_vulpes the shop is considering entering a local "hackathon" [05:23]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu basically, ignore the current institutions and their pretenses at anything, develop a new system exterior to it [05:23]
ben_vulpes (and by the shop i mean me and 51%) [05:23]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski pretty much. [05:24]
mircea_popescu sort of thing [05:24]
pete_dushenski and if you don't like it gtfu [05:24]
assbot How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [05:24]
pete_dushenski mya [05:24]
ben_vulpes notion being: show up; don't pitch; build hilaribad thing; present like seasoned shartup pros; clean up [05:24]
mircea_popescu also all that talk about unsheating your own conscience / not constructing your mental process as a reaction to bs / etc. [05:24]
mircea_popescu it's a lengthy thread with many branches [05:25]
ben_vulpes problem being nobody involved can figure if anyone involved with the charade will actually increase deal surface area [05:25]
ben_vulpes (in weird metaphor where shop has tentacles in gulf stream of deal flow) [05:25]
mircea_popescu waitwut [05:26]
ben_vulpes [] Adlai that's the idea. looky here : gribble/wot was created a few years ago,. when btc was worth nothing and nobody bothered distinguishing between taaki and gavin. << oh we're distinguishing between taaki and gavin nao [05:26]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu "all that talk" << whose ? [05:26]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: show up at amateur hour, crush competition with "fart app", accrue reputation points to drive dealflow. [05:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes sure. one's mentally retarded. the other's nefarious. [05:27]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski mine. asciilifeform's. it's all over. [05:27]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: we can't tell if the nefarious plan is retarded though. [05:27]
mircea_popescu yes, the mosquito and the gnat are both bugs. [05:28]
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mircea_popescu and they both get killed. one tries to live off it tho. the other's just dumb. [05:29]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes no pitch ? how does that make sense ? [05:29]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: hey man this is america, land of the scam. [05:29]
ben_vulpes have you learned nothing from clements?! [05:29]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: well the common pattern is "show up! recruit t34m! build thinger and or slideshow depending on what your idiots can muster!" [05:30]
mircea_popescu basically he's just getting laid [05:30]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu well ty for explaining :) [05:30]
mircea_popescu in a platonic sense [05:30]
punkman ben_vulpes, what kind of company is running it? [05:30]
ben_vulpes notion is to skip recruitment phase and just go directly to winning "competition" for arcane local rep [05:30]
ben_vulpes punkman: mine. [05:30]
pete_dushenski the "exit" terminology threw me off a bit but i certainly subscribe to the approach [05:30]
punkman the hackathon? [05:31]
ben_vulpes oh. [05:31]
ben_vulpes dunno man, you know where i live. [05:31]
ben_vulpes local calendars are trivially trollable, in the fishing sense. [05:31]
punkman well don't go to random hobo's hackathon what's the point [05:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00047072 = 13.6273 BTC [+] {3} [05:31]
pete_dushenski mebbe hobo only looks like hobo [05:31]
mircea_popescu so no hackathons ? [05:32]
pete_dushenski but is really grab master of cheese! [05:32]
pete_dushenski s/grab/grand [05:32]
ben_vulpes certainly smells funky [05:32]
pete_dushenski lol [05:32]
ben_vulpes grab asster, maybe [05:32]
pete_dushenski grab freckles [05:33]
ben_vulpes Adlai: coming to ars this spring? [05:33]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: coming to ars this spring? [05:33]
mircea_popescu [05:33]
assbot youtube poop:cow&chicken King and Queen of cheese unfinished - YouTube ... ( ) [05:33]
pete_dushenski am not! [05:33]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: why u no!? [05:33]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes friends just haaaad to get married that weekend [05:33]
pete_dushenski close friends too, too close [05:34]
ben_vulpes oh, your girl knows them huh [05:34]
pete_dushenski too close to miss their wedding at least [05:34]
pete_dushenski lol [05:34]
pete_dushenski we're all one big happy fambly :) [05:34]
mircea_popescu oh yeah which reminds me [05:34]
mircea_popescu $conference [05:34]
ben_vulpes have you boned the bride? [05:34]
pete_dushenski but i don't let them close to my fambly/harim money! [05:35]
ben_vulpes the fambly that fucks together... [05:35]
pete_dushenski drives a truck together? [05:35]
ben_vulpes to the gulag trucks together? [05:35]
ben_vulpes low hanging fruit lol [05:35]
mircea_popescu mebbe they're bonnet sisters. [05:35]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu who was doing $conference bot again? [05:36]
ben_vulpes hue hue hue [05:36]
mircea_popescu (women that spent their adolescent years being fucked with their backs on the same car = bonnet sisters) [05:36]
mircea_popescu iirc FabianB [05:36]
mircea_popescu !up FabianB [05:36]
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ben_vulpes I DON'T GET THE CEPHALAPOD JOKE [05:37]
mircea_popescu uh ? [05:37]
mircea_popescu neways, nn all! [05:38]
ben_vulpes [] maybe you should've called it cssipd [05:38]
ben_vulpes a wait its a c joke [05:38]
pete_dushenski cheers mp! [05:38]
ben_vulpes and i still dont get it [05:38]
ben_vulpes CESSPIT [05:38]
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mod6 hi [15:34]
mircea_popescu heya [15:34]
mod6 why 256? [15:35]
jurov nm, yes it's 1m [15:37]
jurov regardless of if it is the case, is it feasible ddos scenario to generate lots of orphans for old blocks? [15:38]
mod6 yeah [15:38]
mod6 so there was a check in 0.5.3 that requires checkpoints for this, which i removed in the rm_checkpoints patch [15:40]
mod6 [15:40]
mod6 which is that block [15:40]
assbot bitcoin/main.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( ) [15:40]
mod6 1442->1463 [15:41]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: "not until you've murdered your romans and finished your greens, benny" << hahahaha [15:41]
mod6 and in forward versions, there are a variety of other checks for orphan spam other than that. [15:41]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so why not bring mom here ? [15:41]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: what are you running, windows on ferrari? << bwahahaha these two. should be cuffed together, endrunkened to 115% and dropped on a sound stage. [15:43]
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mircea_popescu lmao [15:47]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony: microsoft_moves_major_projects_to_github/ << heh. github as-is is actually precisely fit for microsoft. [15:54]
mircea_popescu ms has not become a different beast. what used to be foss has decayed to the level one can't distinguish it from microsoft anymore. [15:54]
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mircea_popescu sgornick can you self voice ? [15:56]
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mircea_popescu “On the morning of January 12, the day after the three-month exhibition was closed, the public prosecutor's office of St. Gallen seized and sealed our work. It seems, the purpose of the confiscation is to impede an endangerment of third parties through the drugs exhibited by destroying them. This is what we know at present. We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art.” [15:57]
mircea_popescu lol !Mediengruppe Bitnik causing trouble eh. [15:57]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony: so basically when breaking the law, just claim that it's "art" << you will notice that they merely bought random items. this illustrates the solid point that the notion that buying items can be made illegal implies buying itself was made illegal, through this randomness device. [15:59]
sgornick mircea_popescu, Yes, I can successfully !up in a PM to assbot to get voice. [15:59]
mircea_popescu not entirely without merit. [15:59]
mircea_popescu sgornick a cool. [15:59]
sgornick Just popping in to suggest someone here reply to this: [16:00]
assbot Maybe the blockchain could be the basis of a global "web of trust" and that could be an hugely big deal. [16:00]
mircea_popescu fluffypony there's a lot of challenges to the quaint notions of what the state has the authority to do to be brought through deploying the much more widely avaialble powers of math. situation somewhat similar to, while currently a government may claim for itself the right to legislate as to the albedo of undiscovered stars, once they're discovered that's gone. [16:00]
mircea_popescu sgornick tbh, it's kind of how it goes, that various social media heads put up on whatever social media thing bits and pieces of what they've read in year-old logs here. [16:01]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron occasionally chases it. [16:01]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: that's an entirely separate issue to "I choose to live in your house and abide by your rules...except when it doesn't suit and I can just claim 'art' instead" [16:01]
mircea_popescu fluffypony it is the government that lives in their house, not vice-versa. [16:02]
fluffypony artists don't have particularly big guns ;) [16:02]
mircea_popescu now this is an entirely differnet point indeed :) [16:02]
mircea_popescu and if you recall, i'm actually against "free drugs". but that doesn't change they don't have much of a logical standpoint. [16:03]
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mircea_popescu to use the "on terrorism" apparatus, obviously a state can try to support itself on both process of law and terrorism. some, like stalin's , actually succeeded. it's dubious one can succeed without a stalin to o it tho. i dun see bureaucrats were ever born able to pull it off. [16:05]
mircea_popescu *: Adlai actually got to use it once, since it's useless for selfies, which the glasshole required << all you need's a mirror neh ? [16:06]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron fixt! thx! [16:07]
mircea_popescu Zarathul: I'm developing a lightweight MMORPG with crypto economy. and I'm looking for some feedback and alpha testers << ever heard of ? also, iirc DreadKnight is doing something similar. [16:08]
mircea_popescu you could prolly also say hi in #eulora ('s mmorp in development irc room) [16:08]
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Adlai all you need's a mirror neh ? << but then your selfie immortalizes you a glasshole [16:09]
mircea_popescu right. [16:10]
mircea_popescu shoot a bullet hole through mirror, take your pic, title the result "glasshole through looking glass with hole" [16:10]
mircea_popescu now that's art. [16:10]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell ben_vulpes c'est beau! [16:10]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:10]
Adlai thx for fucking up !b 2 [16:11]
mircea_popescu i guess once bitcoin fails i'll run a slavegirl harem / art collective. [16:11]
pete_dushenski anytime? [16:11]
* asciilifeform doesn't get the whole 'glasshole' meme. carrying a pNohe everywhere, with its two or three cameras pointed every-which-way, is somehow perfectly civilized; but wearing a threadbare camera on your head, not ? [16:11]
pete_dushenski adlai pretty sure there's ways to grab text and submit for bashage ;) [16:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't understand how social works work. so : if anyone can get one, it's ok. if it becomes apparent not everyone will have one, it's not. [16:12]
Adlai if it can't be done thru assbot i don't wanna hear about it [16:12]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform one is normalised, one "too obvious" [16:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that was my impression [16:12]
mircea_popescu it's EXACTLY what it is. [16:12]
mircea_popescu if the fashion looks like it doesn't have the steam, backlash prevails. [16:12]
mircea_popescu otherwise, backlash doesn't. [16:12]
pete_dushenski it's not clear to me why everyone couldn't have a glasshole [16:13]
mircea_popescu which is why the notion that social discussion is argument driven is just so much rubbish. which is why conde nast wants reddit and the new york times moved to publishing pics and tweets. [16:13]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski because they suck. [16:13]
pete_dushenski they might not want one, but the thing's for sale [16:13]
* Adlai always thought "glasshole" was less about carrying a camera everywhere, more about constantly having your screen open [16:13]
pete_dushenski too much bezzlars eh [16:13]
mircea_popescu right, but the headcount that'll NEVER wear them is large enough [16:13]
mircea_popescu so it fails. [16:13]
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asciilifeform there was a fairly detailed discussion here in #b-a re: why ocular displays which don't suck have been costing the same 100k usd since 1985. [16:13]
asciilifeform and aren't about to stop. [16:13]
mircea_popescu i recall that convo. [16:14]
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pete_dushenski but the knock-off market, like that for lv purses, should fill that demand [16:14]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski point is it's not a demand. [16:14]
asciilifeform !s kopin [16:14]
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asciilifeform it's a 'demand' of pretty much one guy, yours truly, who wants to program in bed. [16:14]
asciilifeform hence - no demand. [16:14]
pete_dushenski only because it never seemed "premium" just creepy [16:14]
mircea_popescu consider how it works. take an island of 100 people, of which 5 boys and 6 girls under 30, 10 boys and 11 girls under 40. now, one day the fashion is for girls to wear clothes with a hole over left nipple, so it's always exposed. [16:15]
mircea_popescu 15 boys like this. if 9 girls hate it, it'll become a "civil rights" issue, but happen anyway. [16:15]
mircea_popescu if 3 girls hate it, it'll become a tradition. [16:15]
mircea_popescu had 9 boys hated it, it'd have become a google glass. [16:15]
pete_dushenski so >90% boys like a toy --> fashion! [16:16]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [16:16]
mircea_popescu > 25% or so hate it --> doomed. [16:16]
pete_dushenski 30-90% and who knows [16:17]
pete_dushenski hmm [16:17]
mircea_popescu yea actuall this can be the 30-90% rule. [16:17]
pete_dushenski i can see it [16:17]
mircea_popescu note obviously that all this applies to flat, ie, non hierarchical situations, like what to wear. [16:17]
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pete_dushenski the fashions of the peoples [16:18]
mircea_popescu in hierarchical situations, once ford decides to order his lieutenant to mine a hill because he sees rust on it, [16:18]
mircea_popescu that's that, ecology is now a thing. [16:18]
mircea_popescu all it takes there is one. one jobs for everyone from samsung to chinaxxx to make ipads [16:18]
mircea_popescu etc. [16:18]
pete_dushenski heh ya [16:18]
pete_dushenski jobs asked zero people how many fucks they gave [16:19]
pete_dushenski "here's what you need now" [16:19]
pete_dushenski and voila [16:19]
pete_dushenski bell bottom jeans, on the other hand [16:19]
mircea_popescu which is why teenaged girls with little sex experience but nice tits and barbiedoll face tend to go into "fashion design", whereas fat dudes with an acne problem tend to flock to busienss school. [16:19]
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mircea_popescu actually i guess it's mostly "pr" now. same deal, "you need css for your website, you need tanga slips for your barbie" [16:20]
pete_dushenski so fat dudes with acne aren't in to fashions? [16:20]
mircea_popescu too many people dislike them, so they'd never make it. [16:21]
pete_dushenski that's a point [16:21]
mircea_popescu there's this ancient observation that bright young lads do not "choose their field of research", they merely go with the first direction where they happen to have some success. [16:21]
pete_dushenski there's something to be said for having society show you the door early on [16:21]
mircea_popescu this is true of people generall. [16:21]
pete_dushenski path of least resistance [16:22]
pete_dushenski same as following fashions [16:22]
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pete_dushenski it's much harder to carve your own niche in this regard as well [16:22]
mircea_popescu kinda why it's the job of parents to send the popular girl to live naked with the pigs for a summer , and respectively force the acne boy to dance naked in gay bars the same summer. [16:22]
mircea_popescu or somesuch. i dunno, not a parent, use salt. [16:22]
pete_dushenski basically, throwing children into the fire is +ev [16:23]
pete_dushenski little bit of stress does the system wonders [16:23]
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pete_dushenski it either breaks them, in which case, try again [16:24]
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mircea_popescu xanthyos: TomServo: care to play monopoly? we can use our own boards and everyone gets to be the car << i always play the hat! [16:24]
pete_dushenski or it makes them, in which case you now have your retirement plan sorted [16:24]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski of course, they might not like you anymore. [16:24]
pete_dushenski so sophistakated! [16:24]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu this'd only be a problem if you thought that parents = friends [16:25]
pete_dushenski and still, there's no guarantee that they'll like you if you coddle them either [16:25]
mircea_popescu Adlai: he's still here, paybase/hashnest logo everywhere, giving out free polo shirts at their booth, kickoff party had a giant paybase logo on the side of the hotel << because "advertisin fixes everything" "we're creating awareness". [16:25]
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mircea_popescu speaking of which : because somethingawful forums keeps driving people to trilema, i started a banner campaign there. [16:26]
pete_dushenski heh nice [16:26]
mircea_popescu << this being the banner. [16:26]
Adlai there's a booth at this conference, advertising for another conference. they're giving out free stress balls, those bouncy nerf foam tennisballsized things you can squeeze... over the course of the day, corners get filled up with these garbages [16:26]
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Adlai they win the best advertising award [16:26]
mircea_popescu it produced ~400 clicks in 24 hours. which i imagine it's about 100% of everyone that set eyes on it. [16:27]
kakobrekla Adlai pics ? [16:27]
Adlai what is with everybody and pictures [16:27]
mircea_popescu yeah Adlai this blogging sucks. [16:27]
Adlai "blogging" [16:27]
mircea_popescu that's no excuse! [16:28]
kakobrekla i just wanna have something to show when ppl come asking where gaw money went [16:28]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu great success [16:28]
mircea_popescu adlai meets girl at party. she drags him to upstairs bedroom. they go at it. after a while, she's "adlai, this fucking sucks!" and he retorts calmly [16:28]
mircea_popescu "fucking" [16:28]
Adlai "suck!" [16:28]
mircea_popescu lol [16:28]
pete_dushenski peeople expect the "you are rich, just click here to claim your winnings" shtick, but "you are poor" is just genius [16:29]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski im just an asshole, whadda i know. [16:29]
pete_dushenski uh business ? [16:29]
pete_dushenski how to confuze noobs ? [16:29]
mircea_popescu ok, those two [16:30]
pete_dushenski it's a start [16:30]
mircea_popescu three! THREE SECRET WEAPONS! [16:30]
Adlai "the fact that it attracts so many scammers is a complement to bitcoin" [16:30]
pete_dushenski the wmdcoin [16:30]
pete_dushenski ^#3 [16:30]
mircea_popescu Adlai they meant compliment ? [16:30]
Adlai yes, typo [16:31]
mircea_popescu the balls are a complement to your cock ; the wow's you hear are compliments to your cock. [16:31]
mircea_popescu ahk [16:31]
Adlai this is from jeffrey tucker, the only speaker who hasn't used a slideshow [16:31]
Adlai he's just bouncing around on stage waxing euphoric about the rocketship [16:31]
mircea_popescu i can see the point anyway. the wasps are a compliment to the grapes and the flies to the dead donkey. [16:31]
Adlai exactly [16:32]
Adlai if nobody's trying to steal it, it's probably not worth stealing [16:32]
mircea_popescu it all depends whether you're waspivorous or shitflyvorous [16:32]
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Adlai there's a real estate booth here, and a yacht booth. they have nothingc to do with bitcoin except accepting it as payment. [16:33]
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mircea_popescu lol. sold anything ? [16:33]
pete_dushenski time to go for a little cruise. cheers [16:35]
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Adlai doubtful, seen a price ticker lately? [16:41]
Adlai they're probably more likely to make a sale if they put up a sign saying they don't take bitcoin [16:41]
mircea_popescu lol [16:42]
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mircea_popescu mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet. << i don't see how concurrent chains would cause memory outages. [16:45]
mircea_popescu jurov: regardless of if it is the case, is it feasible ddos scenario to generate lots of orphans for old blocks? << yes. [16:45]
mircea_popescu !up Zarathul [16:47]
-assbot- You voiced Zarathul for 30 minutes. [16:47]
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Adlai there shouldn't be any problem incorporating headers-first mitigation of that ddos vector [16:49]
mircea_popescu how'd that go ? [16:52]
Adlai "If you think bitcoin people are passionate about bitcoin, you should see how passionate cannabis people are about cannabis" [16:52]
mircea_popescu alternatively, you should see how passionate self-mutilating idiots are about "transgender" [16:52]
mircea_popescu politicians about lying, journalists about being stupid, on it goes. [16:52]
* Adlai knows a few, not sure how passionate they are about the transition itself [16:53]
Adlai it's a rather shitty process [16:53]
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Adlai lol this guy's roadmap for bitcoin adoption: cannabis, gun dealers, and then "pilates instructors, masseuses, and anybody else who doesn't want to pay a single dollar to the IRS" [16:55]
mircea_popescu point being, whoever finds something fundamental and builds his mental representation of life on top of it is going to act like someone who's built his mental representation of life on top of it. [16:55]
mircea_popescu Adlai generally a good indication that all he does is smoke pot, and watch dudes firing guns and chicks doing yoga in yoga pants on youtube. [16:55]
Adlai [16:56]
assbot Andrew Filipowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [16:56]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet. << i don't see how concurrent chains would cause memory outages. << well, there is a container that holds these orphan blocks unchecked in v0.5.3. if this actually is related to the R.I. chewing through all its ram, perhaps a limit should be introduced. [16:56]
mircea_popescu jurov: i should prolly make a bot << it's been up to date ? [16:57]
Adlai it's rather refreshing to hear this guy say that most of teh previous talks (xapo et al) are a total waste of time and detrimental to bitcoin [16:57]
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asciilifeform 'Filipowski was the 1998 recipient of the Anti-Defamation League's Torch of Liberty Award, first for the Silicon Prairie (Chicago), for his support in fighting hate on the Internet.' [16:58]
mod6 anyway, i'm gonna keep debugging this thing. will give updates. [16:58]
mircea_popescu mod6 but a) a block can no longer be an orphan once the block at the height it disputes has its coinbases spendable ; b) the sum total of orphans to date isn't, if memory serves, 8gb. [16:58]
Adlai you guys would like this talk, he just spent ~3 minutes talking about how americans can't read anymore [16:58]
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mircea_popescu we interrupt this program for a special announcement from the better blowjob bureau : [17:02]
assbot ... ( ) [17:02]
mod6 ahh ok, well, in relation to "b", i've seen this SIGKILL/OOM problem on a local vm with 1Gb of ram, and an AWS VM with 2Gb of ram. [17:03]
mircea_popescu mod6 actually this would be a good datapoint to compute. find out the sum total of orphans to date. [17:03]
Adlai "sure, there are people who still buy LPs, audiophiles dedicated to authentic sounds... but the US dollar is more like an 8-track tape" [17:03]
mircea_popescu in what way ? [17:04]
Adlai worthless crap [17:04]
mircea_popescu so what's the lp, gold ? [17:04]
mircea_popescu this is such a dumb metaphor. [17:04]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 actually this would be a good datapoint to compute. find out the sum total of orphans to date. << noted. will see what I can come up with. [17:07]
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kakobrekla btw if someone is curious why empty blocks are still mined, its because of network propagation and orphans. [17:08]
kakobrekla the math tells them better to drop tx than to take additional risk or an orphan [17:09]
mircea_popescu that can't be a problem because internet doubles every year [17:09]
mircea_popescu (conservatively0 [17:09]
kakobrekla of an orphan* [17:09]
kakobrekla miner could have a bad connection [17:09]
kakobrekla for example that 100k usd fury rack was connected to the internet via 3 mobile phone connections back in the day. [17:10]
mircea_popescu "Having said that, the main reason I've never heard of him is probably that I mostly ignore Bitcoin current affairs, because its design flaws will eventually kill it. The key ideas behind the technology are epoch-makingly brilliant, but the trouble with any distributed P2P system - the thing that kills most of them in the end - is that for any given design flaw, there are people who benefit from it, and those people wi [17:10]
mircea_popescu ll fork the network to keep it. Eventually, the network will cease to have utility because it will be too small and then it will die. The three specific things that will ultimately kill Bitcoin are the limit on the number of coins, the lack of any kind of value anchor, and the absence of compulsory transaction fees. " [17:10]
mircea_popescu dude where would we be without bitcoin experts that built their expertise on ignorance! [17:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25322 @ 0.00046409 = 11.7517 BTC [+] {2} [17:12]
Adlai !up TheNewDeal [17:12]
* assbot gives voice to TheNewDeal [17:12]
mircea_popescu bless his soul. "bitcoin is bad because no government to inflate it, no government to posture about it, no government to tax it". [17:13]
asciilifeform trololol. [17:13]
TheNewDeal So I aithed through gribble and then assbot is sending me some separate link when I try for !Up. Is it just like the gribble auth process? [17:13]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal just decode the otp and send !v decodedotp [17:13]
mircea_popescu gribble auth no longer used/required for assbot voice. [17:14]
mircea_popescu discussion on the 16th logs. [17:14]
TheNewDeal Roger that [17:14]
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ben_vulpes good morning, arsonists [17:19]
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mircea_popescu i only rape and pillage. [17:20]
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ben_vulpes Zarathul: << that's your inspiration? and is lith playable anywhere? [17:28]
assbot Universal SaruTobi - Touch Arcade ... ( ) [17:28]
ben_vulpes << tee hee [17:28]
assbot Database Error ... ( ) [17:28]
Adlai ENOTRACK [17:30]
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asciilifeform << usg's gossipd. [17:37]
assbot ... ( ) [17:37]
asciilifeform (or, not quite, but they want one. review of relevant maths, etc.) [17:37]
mircea_popescu heh [17:37]
mircea_popescu is this new ? [17:37]
asciilifeform from the spiegel thing [17:38]
asciilifeform in that sense - new [17:38]
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asciilifeform but if it was in snowden's arse capsule, it is not 'new' in the usual sense of the word [17:38]
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mircea_popescu aha [17:38]
jurov mircea_popescu: it's okay i forgot it's another account. derp :( [17:39]
jurov no bots needed [17:39]
mircea_popescu mebbe i make an android sexbot to come to your place and disturb your thoughts [17:39]
jurov imo assbot haunts me sufficiently [17:40]
mircea_popescu lol [17:42]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << even this was in there. [17:44]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( ) [17:44]
jurov !mpif [17:45]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021389 B (Total: 467.74 B). Delta: -1.46 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002 BTC [-] [17:45]
jurov ;;calc 21389/1.01 [17:45]
gribble 21177.2277228 [17:45]
jurov ;;calc 21389*1.01 [17:45]
gribble 21602.89 [17:45]
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TheNewDeal ;;nethash [17:46]
gribble 312060730.861 [17:46]
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TheNewDeal ;;ident TheNewDeal [17:46]
gribble Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified. [17:46]
ben_vulpes [] ben_vulpes so why not bring mom here ? << well now she's full-bore communist. notrly good company for the asshats. [17:47]
ben_vulpes myeah i've read asylum [17:48]
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ben_vulpes think i'll reserve the right to fuck with my mom's head for myself [17:49]
ben_vulpes winding up one's own mother's an acquired taste. [17:50]
TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats [17:50]
gribble Current Blocks: 339544 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 1159 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 48 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42674274810.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.95051 [17:50]
ben_vulpes plus there's a bit of "that's my little brother, only i get to bully him around" [17:50]
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davout wtf am i reading [17:51]
* ben_vulpes is time traveling [17:51]
davout hai hanbot [17:51]
TheNewDeal faster then normal? [17:51]
TheNewDeal or just the regular 1/sec/sec traveling pace [17:51]
ben_vulpes barely through the first cup yet [17:52]
mircea_popescu lmao hanbot onslaught [17:54]
ben_vulpes it's too much! [17:54]
ben_vulpes hanslaught [17:54]
mircea_popescu lol [17:54]
mircea_popescu "and suddenly, totally out of everyone's left field, chtulu" [17:54]
hanbot well now i know what my name'll be if i ever wwf [17:54]
davout mircea_popescu: LOL [17:55]
mircea_popescu i think wrestling's called something else now. [17:55]
ben_vulpes i think wrestling is still called wrestling. [17:55]
mircea_popescu they basically rebrand it each decade, so 10yos can all have their own. [17:55]
TheNewDeal not when cthulu is involved [17:55]
ben_vulpes no no [17:56]
ben_vulpes wrestling [17:56]
ben_vulpes is still wrestling [17:56]
ben_vulpes words don't just *lose* their meaning mircea_popescu sheesh [17:56]
TheNewDeal just finished Case of Dextar Ward, anyone read that? [17:56]
TheNewDeal short by Lovecraft [17:57]
mircea_popescu WWE, was previously known as the "World Wrestling Federation" or "WWF" from 1979 to 2002 [17:57]
TheNewDeal I think they combined at some point, and then split up again [17:57]
mircea_popescu so i guess hanbot was nine prior to 2002 [17:57]
mircea_popescu tbh that;s dubious, i recall a "nitro" something [17:58]
ben_vulpes iirc they got sued by the world wildlife foundation [17:58]
hanbot lol acronyms are ip nao too?! [17:59]
mircea_popescu always were. [17:59]
asciilifeform [18:00]
assbot run moar winblows - Imgur ... ( ) [18:00]
TheNewDeal Actually it looks like they're still contained under one parent company. IPO'd under "WWE" on the nyse [18:00]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin 0.8.5 or later is required << apparently p2pool is asshats. [18:00]
ben_vulpes oh goodie another thing to rewrite [18:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform re previous imgur : wtf is that kindergarten shit. [18:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ask'em [18:01]
mircea_popescu nobody there to stand up and tell them where to stick that shit / [18:01]
asciilifeform aha [18:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00045488 = 14.3287 BTC [-] [18:02]
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ben_vulpes [] if the fashion looks like it doesn't have the steam, backlash prevails. << i wonder if Apple has the steel to pull off their watch play. [18:07]
TheNewDeal ;;market --buy 10000 [18:08]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2613072.8741 USD and would take the last price up to 400.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 261.3073 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0116 seconds [18:08]
* asciilifeform suggests that after folks are tired of 'smart watches', which proved that it is possible to build a device even more cramped/antiergonomic than a pNohe - electronics vendors should build touch screens in pencil erasers. [18:08]
asciilifeform 'smartpencil' ! [18:09]
TheNewDeal someone just gave me one of those pens with the electromagnetic tip that works with touchscreens, great for reducing fat-fingers [18:10]
* ben_vulpes somewhat misses the stylexen [18:10]
TheNewDeal not returning results on google. what is it? [18:12]
ben_vulpes stylus* [18:12]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes prolly not. [18:13]
mircea_popescu nah, in eyeglass lenses. [18:15]
mircea_popescu which they tried. [18:15]
ben_vulpes not viable yet. [18:15]
ben_vulpes requires drawing on the retina to work properly imho. [18:15]
mircea_popescu i kinda have high hopes once the foldable screens come into their own [18:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: was viable in 1985. [18:16]
mircea_popescu they'll make girl stockings ouf of the things [18:16]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: see earlier thread. [18:16]
* ben_vulpes frowns [18:16]
ben_vulpes i thought i was reasonably well acquainted with that thread [18:16]
ben_vulpes don't the eyeglass lenses have a focus at infinity problem? [18:16]
ben_vulpes as in needing to switch between focusing on something in front of one and focusing on the screen? [18:17]
asciilifeform incidentally, the security implications of a good head-worn computer display suggest that no such thing will be permitted to exist while usg has any say on the subject. [18:17]
mircea_popescu uh ? [18:17]
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mircea_popescu !up Vince12432e [18:19]
-assbot- You voiced Vince12432e for 30 minutes. [18:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34317 @ 0.00046641 = 16.0058 BTC [+] {2} [18:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: head-worn displays are considered, by usg, to be key military tech (all existing manufacturers of serious - i.e. svga and above units - supply usg exclusively) [18:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they are mostly, but not exclusively, issued to jet pilots [18:22]
asciilifeform (a variant for infantry was, last i heard, in the works, but mired in an f35-esque bureaucratic treacle) [18:23]
mircea_popescu the russians use them . the chinese use them. [18:23]
mircea_popescu they cost a shitton. [18:23]
asciilifeform they were not, last i checked, sop in any russian machine. [18:23]
mircea_popescu the new sukhoi thing has them from what i recall. [18:23]
asciilifeform now, 'heads-up' displays - yes [18:23]
asciilifeform but not the same! [18:23]
asciilifeform 'heads-up' projects onto the glass. snore. [18:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, the difference might simply be explained by price. so, if a car costs 20-30k and a supercar 200 to 300k, whereas a jet fighter 20 to 30 mn, [18:24]
mircea_popescu it stands to reason tech available to one is not available to the other. [18:24]
mircea_popescu because it'd cost more than the fucking car. [18:24]
asciilifeform except that the 'magic' of a microdisplay is entirely one silicon die. [18:24]
asciilifeform could easily cost a penny. [18:24]
asciilifeform every year i go to my local university's tech exhibit. there is always this one greybeard who runs their si fab, and he has some old wafers, etc. he also has a 'look in this box and press red button.' inside: svga display with graphics demo. the stamp on the box is some time in the '90s. [18:26]
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asciilifeform i ask him, 'can this be had?' greybeard: 'nope. project killed by upper management.' [18:27]
asciilifeform (box was approx. the size of a deck of cards.) [18:28]
asciilifeform it took me many years to realize why svga ocular display cannot be had at price below a 'boeing.' not because miniaturized led is dark magic. [18:29]
asciilifeform and not because of the patent trolls - they are merely the weapon, not the wielder [18:29]
asciilifeform it's a straight usg thing. [18:29]
asciilifeform not even entirely usg. none of the wealthy mega-army states really want inexpensive partizan-warfare aids on the shelf. [18:30]
jurov kakobrekla: assbot definitely stopped reporting divs? [18:32]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform "could cost a penny". well... how'd they make money then ? [18:34]
davout mircea_popescu: see you published, nice! reading nao [18:35]
asciilifeform same way the folks who make 8051 microcontrollers, etc. make money. [18:35]
mircea_popescu davout aye. [18:35]
asciilifeform be chinese, have massive scale. [18:35]
mircea_popescu apparently they don't like that business model. [18:35]
asciilifeform the puzzle is not about what they like or dislike, but why they even get asked. [18:36]
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mircea_popescu because they own it ? [18:36]
asciilifeform puzzle is - why no usurpers. [18:36]
mircea_popescu cause idiot females too busy with "transgender friends" and idiot males too busy reading moldbug. [18:36]
asciilifeform mr mold has the saving grace of at least being a finite quantity. [18:37]
mircea_popescu does cardano not exist on shelf because usg ? [18:37]
* asciilifeform admits he read all of it [18:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00045449 = 18.0887 BTC [-] {2} [18:37]
* asciilifeform does not blame usg for everything [18:38]
mircea_popescu but same moidel. useful item with market that doesn't exist for public. [18:38]
mircea_popescu public is apparently happy with trezor and glass. [18:38]
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asciilifeform [insert the ancient threads re: toy keyboards, etc.] [18:39]
asciilifeform !s four ring [18:39]
assbot 2 results for 'four ring' : [18:39]
mircea_popescu think about it the other way. a display is merely a display. it works on information. if the information is all in a box, then you're probably not a very good partizan. more of a hacker. "playing the harmonica" so to speak. [18:39]
mircea_popescu if the informtion comes on a wire, the eye piece is the least vulnerable place. [18:39]
asciilifeform [18:39]
assbot Logged on 22-12-2013 16:56:53; asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and [18:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the point was not about optical snooping, etc. mundane fact is that the number one application for svga ocular is really partizan infantry. [18:40]
mircea_popescu like how ? [18:40]
asciilifeform display maps, secure comms, targeting aids [18:40]
mircea_popescu partizan infantry is not that much about targeting, or maps. [18:41]
asciilifeform signals intelligence on enemy (how'd you like to see into em spectrum?) [18:41]
mircea_popescu in fact, it'd help the invader more than the partizans. [18:41]
mircea_popescu you wouldn't. [18:41]
mircea_popescu you might, at home, in armchair. and that you can presently do. [18:41]
mircea_popescu out in the field, you much prefer seeing in visible. [18:41]
asciilifeform you would if searching for the loud obnoxious american radio [18:41]
asciilifeform the 'doom'-playing privates, etc. [18:41]
mircea_popescu not your job to search for that. [18:41]
mircea_popescu most targetting needs both eyes. to propose that poking a man in one is doing his targetting a service... [18:42]
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mircea_popescu first thging you teach idiot kids. "don't close your eye. don't squint" [18:42]
asciilifeform nooo [18:43]
asciilifeform not the idiot google monocular. [18:43]
mircea_popescu even as the jet fighter overlay thing. [18:44]
asciilifeform actual high-res overlay for both eyes, with everything that would normally come in sans oculars plus the extra. [18:44]
mircea_popescu that only works if you have the network. [18:44]
mircea_popescu you know ? just like the jet is not a self contained machine. [18:44]
asciilifeform sure [18:44]
mircea_popescu so is that thing not self contained. [18:44]
mircea_popescu well... then its existence is not where it'd be attacked. [18:44]
asciilifeform even if sole purpose is to zero in on enemy rf, still useful [18:45]
asciilifeform just as thermovisor is useful [18:45]
mircea_popescu thermovisor is only useful at night, and only worn at night [18:45]
mircea_popescu audibo much more useful for closing in on position. [18:45]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [18:45]
mircea_popescu (thing does a stereo *ping* in the direction in question) [18:46]
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asciilifeform << obligatory [18:46]
assbot ... ( ) [18:46]
mircea_popescu lol [18:46]
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mircea_popescu yup. were these the steam ones ? [18:46]
asciilifeform passive [18:47]
asciilifeform acoustic stereolocators [18:47]
asciilifeform fella sits inside, hose in each ear. [18:47]
asciilifeform ww1 tech. [18:47]
mircea_popescu oh those [18:47]
mircea_popescu they had some noise makers too [18:47]
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mircea_popescu undata davout so was one of you two picking up deedbot ? [18:52]
davout yup [18:53]
mircea_popescu well which ? :D [18:54]
davout i think both [18:54]
undata I'm hacking on it today [18:54]
davout i started toying with it a bit, apparently undata too [18:54]
davout six implementations later [18:55]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as there's really only going to be one, this may be counterproductive. you want it resolved ? [18:55]
undata sure, if there's a prefered party that's fine with me [18:55]
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undata I'm just taking the spec as is, implementing around the go bot afore-linked [18:56]
davout i've poured 2~3 hours in it so far, so either way is fine with me [18:57]
mircea_popescu ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred. [18:59]
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davout sounds good! [19:00]
undata thanks, figured I'd make myself useful for once [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00045553 = 21.501 BTC [+] [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40913 @ 0.00044943 = 18.3875 BTC [-] [19:10]
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mircea_popescu dimple or no dimple ? [19:13]
assbot ... ( ) [19:13]
mod6 dimple [19:14]
ben_vulpes no dimple [19:23]
ben_vulpes hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea? [19:25]
davout undata: i wouldn't mind sharing the work i did so far, but you don't seem so keen on ruby [19:26]
undata davout: appreciate it; however nah I'm not [19:26]
ben_vulpes getdata is used in response to inv, to retrieve the content of a specific object, and is usually sent after receiving an inv packet, after filtering known elements. It can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not). [19:26]
davout what are you building it in, out of curiosity? [19:26]
undata davout: I'd take a peak if you like [19:26]
undata *peek [19:26]
undata davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go [19:27]
davout i had all the easter eggs already done :D [19:27]
undata the bot comes with example services in python, but I'm prety "meh" on gevent as well [19:28]
undata man my spelling has been deplorable today [19:29]
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* ben_vulpes frowns [19:30]
ben_vulpes my bouncer seems to be dropping lines [19:30]
undata ben_vulpes: dat znc [19:30]
ben_vulpes grr [19:30]
ben_vulpes i do not want to drop 3 hours on fiddling my bouncer again. [19:31]
ben_vulpes but tooling's important. [19:31]
davout setting up znc was a painful experience [19:31]
ben_vulpes the requirement to configure it through the running instance is batshit [19:31]
davout "ohai, i'm a config file, pls to not edit" [19:32]
ben_vulpes yeah, fuck yourselves. [19:32]
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kakobrekla eh? [19:33]
* kakobrekla edited his znc conf file many times. [19:33]
davout kakobrekla: dat thug life [19:33]
kakobrekla mhm [19:33]
Adlai [19:36]
assbot ... ( ) [19:36]
* Adlai wonders when system d will begin using systemd [19:36]
ben_vulpes ourobottering [19:37]
davout the way i see this whole conundrum evolve is that eventually systemd will be renamed 'ubuntu' [19:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1550 @ 0.00089992 = 1.3949 BTC [+] {2} [19:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00044409 = 9.3259 BTC [-] [19:51]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: you made it to Ritholtz today [19:54]
assbot 10 Sunday Reads | The Big Picture ... ( ) [19:54]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lol ancient post [19:54]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: any idea why linked now ? [19:54]
ben_vulpes ask barry yourself [19:55]
ben_vulpes he's got an eclectic filter [19:55]
* asciilifeform has no idea who this fell is [19:55]
ben_vulpes some "asset manager" [19:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32850 @ 0.0004425 = 14.5361 BTC [-] {2} [19:58]
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TheNewDeal !down TheNewDeal [20:15]
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mircea_popescu o look, alf is now being read by the vcs :D [20:58]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: link? [21:04]
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mircea_popescu above in the log [21:04]
thestringpuller logs are so 1985 [21:05]
thestringpuller i only keep 10 lines of IRC in memory at a time like a true G [21:05]
decimation re: optical displays in jet fighters: [21:10]
assbot Navy report: 2014 Super Hornet crash was preventable | | ... ( ) [21:10]
decimation "In one of the jets, a young pilot was flying his first training mission since becoming qualified to use a special helmet that projects key flight data - such as air speed, altitude, target range - onto his visor. The pilot, investigators learned later, hadn't gone through a recommended computer-based course before being cleared to fly with the visor-mounted display." [21:10]
mircea_popescu wait so it's not like magic ? [21:11]
decimation no, apparently it's is quite disorienting if not familiar [21:11]
decimation "Within 15 seconds, the jet had accelerated to more than 575 mph and was descending at a 70 degree angle. The pilot, while monitoring his visor-mounted display and doing his best to keep an eye on the other jet, had apparently lost track of his rate of descent." [21:11]
mircea_popescu myeah. [21:12]
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mircea_popescu one is The requested URL / but the other is The requested URL /register.php‎ [21:31]
mircea_popescu where the fuck does the crud get in [21:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00044035 = 12.0656 BTC [-] [21:33]
mircea_popescu anyway, read the dude's 10 page long "comment policy", then read the comments on that article. [21:41]
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Adlai no [21:47]
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assbot Questions remain after Sentinel police chief is shot, detained man is released | News OK ... ( ) [22:00]
mircea_popescu undata [22:00]
assbot [undata] Deed system for #bitcoin-assets, updated. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1890 @ 0.0007542 = 1.4254 BTC [-] {2} [22:02]
undata mircea_popescu: I've got it adding keys and accepting valid signed messages, building out the bundle-and-stamp process [22:02]
mircea_popescu cool. [22:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00044723 = 5.9482 BTC [+] [22:03]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea? << i think it's rudimentary spam control. [22:03]
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mircea_popescu undata: davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go << i bet you had no idea just how popular golang is, eh asciilifeform [22:04]
Adlai in go's defense... they have sane concurrency primitives, as opposed to pretty much everything else [22:05]
mircea_popescu "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story. [22:05]
Adlai aka "have i spammed yet this year?" [22:05]
assbot Communicating Sequential Processes (CSP), by C. A. R. Hoare [22:05]
PeterL xanthyos:i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice << scoopbot started as a bot to roll dice for me and my friend RPGing over IRC [22:09]
BingoBoingo "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story << Prolly related to post 0.8.x versions not keeping a full txindex by default. Have to set a flag for them to do it. [22:10]
mircea_popescu actually... should i put in a job for a games bot ? could start it with monopoly. it just keeps dropping pngs of the table after each player's roll [22:10]
mircea_popescu trivial to do for chess, too. but kind-of spammy. [22:11]
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PeterL would it live on #bitcoin-assets-games? [22:11]
mircea_popescu i guess that'd work well enough huh ? [22:12]
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PeterL could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started? [22:12]
mircea_popescu something simple like playbot, i want to play chess with peterl. to which it responds "peterl are you playing with mircea_popescu ?" and then it looks for the moves, updates an inner state and keeps spitting out pngs of the board as links. [22:13]
PeterL actually, that sounds like a fun project [22:13]
mircea_popescu same principle with monopoly. [22:13]
mircea_popescu probably should have go, chinese chess, stuff. [22:14]
mircea_popescu maybe this already exists ? [22:14]
PeterL There are placed like yahoo games, I don't know of any text-based games [22:16]
mircea_popescu no i mean specifically irc bots [22:17]
mircea_popescu so you can just copy the code. [22:17]
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mircea_popescu anyway, it could easily be self-financing, charge 0.0001 per player ro something. [22:18]
xanthyos oh monopoly doesn't just require dice rolls but chance and community chest card ordering [22:23]
xanthyos .0001 per player per entry, and with new players dropping in after the game already started it could have a cumulative prize pool [22:24]
xanthyos with rebuys [22:24]
PeterL maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold? [22:26]
PeterL s/join/koin [22:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00044723 = 10.7112 BTC [+] [22:31]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess << already pretty much done with this in GPG. Needs to be vetted thoroughly tho before any widespread release [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00044837 = 22.2167 BTC [+] {2} [22:33]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: anyway, it could easily be self-financing << only if lots of games are available over time. vis-a-vis crypto-arcade/midway but meh dunno. Long road is long :P [22:33]
PeterL I was thinking more of something for us to have fun rather than trying to make money [22:34]
thestringpuller because game developers are starving artists :P [22:35]
kakobrekla i had fun once [22:45]
Adlai then the fire nation attacked? [22:46]
kakobrekla no, it was awful. [22:47]
kakobrekla [22:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19423 @ 0.00044035 = 8.5529 BTC [-] [22:52]
Adlai huh, what happened to two weeks notice: "This account was deleted and is no longer recoverable." [22:54]
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kakobrekla updated quite a bit; [23:07]
assbot irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( ) [23:07]
kakobrekla make fixes if needed [23:08]
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PeterL on wiki, !verify should have short !v included [23:10]
kakobrekla fixed ty [23:11]
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kakobrekla also first steps in ba is outdated [23:21]
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kakobrekla if anyone wants to fix that be my guest. [23:22]
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PeterL "since no sessions, bot can be used without the need for you being present on any channel" < it should say you need to be in chan to get voiced [23:23]
kakobrekla that goes without saying. [23:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60300 @ 0.00043105 = 25.9923 BTC [-] {2} [23:24]
kakobrekla or i dunno [23:24]
kakobrekla hit edit button if not [23:24]
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ben_vulpes [] "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story. << pointless degradation of network protocol to reduce utility of bitcoin. [23:51]
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ben_vulpes [] could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started? << bitcoin monopoly?! [23:53]
mircea_popescu well of course bitcoin monopoly. [23:53]
mircea_popescu and seeing how the guilty parties are not here present to defend themselves, i see little trouble going with your theory. [23:53]
asciilifeform Ritholtz link << astonishingly boring site [23:54]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: industry gossip rag, whaddaya want [23:54]
asciilifeform i did figure out why it dug up my old article [23:54]
asciilifeform it is apparently being passed around by lamers, who did not even look at the date, as 'lol bitcoin users, maybe this will save them from certain sc4mz0r d00m' [23:54]
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mircea_popescu heh [23:55]
mircea_popescu in his quest for easy lolz, the idiot robs himself of the good lolz. [23:55]
mircea_popescu maybe only allow people to koin until all properties sold? << maybe simply allow people to sell out their token [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00045069 = 15.9094 BTC [+] {2} [23:56]
mircea_popescu << that you ?! [23:57]
assbot ... ( ) [23:57]
kakobrekla nah [23:57]
kakobrekla i mean [23:57]
kakobrekla no and yes! [23:57]
mircea_popescu scam [23:57]
kakobrekla not on the pic but represent! [23:57]
mircea_popescu << saving this for later, in case i need to illustrate VC investment or something. [23:58]
assbot ... ( ) [23:58]
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